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00:03:21.140 Yeah, can we trace this back, I don't know, over the past week here, Pat?

00:03:24.080 Mm-hmm.

00:03:25.860 Chris Licht is the guy who was running CNN, and he came in from, was it Colbert?

00:03:31.880 I think it was Colbert.

00:03:32.480 It was one of the comedy shows.

00:03:34.060 He came in from Colbert.

00:03:35.280 He's had a long history working.

00:03:36.920 He worked as a journalist at one point.

00:03:39.260 He's worked in comedy for a long time.

00:03:41.440 And he was the guy that Discovery brought in after the merger.

00:03:45.900 They got rid of the old guy, Zucker.

00:03:48.120 They brought in, licked to run CNN to try to change the culture.

00:03:52.140 And one of the reasons they stated was, we've just turned into basically an anti-Trump propaganda machine.

00:03:59.480 Yeah, and they had.

00:04:00.820 And they had.

00:04:01.160 I mean, it's true.

00:04:02.420 That's not to say everybody there was always that way, but most of them were most of the time.

00:04:06.780 Yeah.

00:04:06.940 You know, and it was kind of just, it had become absurd.

00:04:09.760 They had some good ratings at certain points when Trump was president.

00:04:12.400 But of course, when Trump isn't president, that approach doesn't work all that well.

00:04:16.580 And the ratings had died and, you know, the network was having all sorts of trouble.

00:04:20.800 And Chris Licht's theory was to come in and make it more of a straight down the center news organization again.

00:04:28.440 Like it once was in the 80s.

00:04:30.660 And really it was.

00:04:32.380 It started out that way.

00:04:33.600 It started out as actual news.

00:04:35.340 At least that was the attempt.

00:04:36.680 You might have put a bunch of liberal journalists trying to do that in there.

00:04:40.260 So it leaned left.

00:04:42.500 You know, we remember Rush Limbaugh years ago calling it the Clinton News Network.

00:04:45.340 Oh, yeah.

00:04:45.720 In the early 90s.

00:04:46.980 I mean, it was definitely left leaning, but so was everything else in the media.

00:04:51.140 But it wasn't like it is now.

00:04:53.220 No, it turned into something totally different in the Trump era.

00:04:55.660 I thought he actually kind of did improve it a little bit.

00:05:00.040 Yeah.

00:05:00.300 I mean, they were making some strides at becoming more non-biased.

00:05:04.480 I will say I think they've definitely improved it.

00:05:07.580 And in fact, I believe they've raised it to a solid D minus.

00:05:11.680 Yeah.

00:05:12.300 Like again, that's a huge improvement.

00:05:15.940 From an F minus?

00:05:16.960 From an F minus.

00:05:17.780 Yeah.

00:05:17.960 Or maybe even a G.

00:05:20.280 G.

00:05:20.640 It might have even been G.

00:05:21.940 G plus.

00:05:22.660 It was a G plus.

00:05:23.600 So again, I would say overall, it's still the coverage does not make me happy.

00:05:31.020 No.

00:05:31.400 Nor will it ever.

00:05:32.320 But it had, I think, improved.

00:05:34.520 I think the tone of it had improved a little bit to a point that it was at least notable.

00:05:38.800 Sometimes you'd actually see a conservative on the air who was making points that were conservative.

00:05:44.360 Sometimes you would see a story covered in a fair and balanced way.

00:05:50.280 It wasn't constant.

00:05:51.700 And I'm not going to sit here and defend CNN's coverage completely.

00:05:54.620 But I think it was going in the right direction, which, of course, is part of the problem if you're actually CNN and the people who work there.

00:06:00.200 If it's going in the right direction for me, for Pat Gray, for Stu Bergeer, for Glenn Beck, that's terrible.

00:06:07.760 That should never happen at CNN.

00:06:09.680 Yeah.

00:06:09.760 And because of that, Chris Licht has been fired.

00:06:13.760 He is out at the network is the way they're putting it.

00:06:16.100 Now, what's interesting about this is about a week ago, there was a 15,000 word profile that came out about Chris Licht, written by a guy named Tim Alberta, who is, I don't know, I'd probably say he's a moderate reporter.

00:06:31.220 Like, he's not a left-wing ideologue.

00:06:32.920 He used to write for, you know, more conservative publications.

00:06:35.500 Now he's at the Atlantic, I think.

00:06:37.640 Which is pretty left.

00:06:38.540 Pretty left.

00:06:39.100 But, you know, sometimes the Atlantic employs people who aren't super liberal.

00:06:43.340 Like, you know, they're a weird publication.

00:06:46.160 Most of the time they're pretty reliably liberal.

00:06:48.620 But sometimes they'll put people in there that are a little bit different.

00:06:51.340 And Tim Alberta, you know, he's a reporter.

00:06:53.760 He's definitely been critical of Trump.

00:06:56.360 He seems to have a lot of, you know, he wrote a book called American Carnage a couple years ago.

00:07:01.220 Which was an interesting behind-the-scenes read.

00:07:03.900 But you could tell who he has contacts with.

00:07:05.500 He's got contacts with a lot of mainstream Republicans.

00:07:10.500 Very well sourced in that world.

00:07:12.860 But also, you know, very, a lot of people had a lot of anti-Trump stories in this book.

00:07:19.200 Anyway, the point is that this, they gave him access.

00:07:22.640 Chris Licht gave him access for basically the whole year to CNN.

00:07:26.640 To follow him around, to follow him to workouts, you know, to be in some meetings.

00:07:32.480 They had dinner a bunch of times.

00:07:34.740 You know, this was one of those efforts to get the big glowing profile of the CNN turnaround.

00:07:39.640 That was the thought a year ago.

00:07:41.500 Yeah.

00:07:41.680 Well, the year went by, the profile came out, 15,000 words, and it was just non-stop scathing.

00:07:49.160 I mean, it was really, really rough on the guy.

00:07:52.280 It was bad for Licht.

00:07:53.040 Really, really rough.

00:07:54.080 And it was a lot of stuff that, like, you know, I would argue is somewhat petty.

00:07:57.900 Like, I guess the last guy, Zucker, had his office outside of the newsroom on the 17th floor.

00:08:04.820 And Licht came in and was like, yeah, I'm going to the 22nd floor.

00:08:07.200 I'm going to be in a separate floor.

00:08:08.600 I'm going to put my office up there.

00:08:09.640 And we're like, that shows he does not want to talk to the workers.

00:08:12.880 It was crap like that.

00:08:14.320 And like, you know, okay, maybe that was a bad idea.

00:08:17.440 I don't know.

00:08:17.800 You're trying to endear yourself to a new group of people.

00:08:20.360 Maybe moving your office to a different floor is, I mean, but I mean, also,

00:08:25.180 doesn't that say that you're pretty petty as an employee?

00:08:28.000 I mean, who cares where your freaking boss's office is?

00:08:31.220 It's your job.

00:08:32.720 You know, I don't know.

00:08:34.000 Yeah.

00:08:34.520 I find that sort of criticism to be nonsense.

00:08:36.600 But one of the big parts of the criticism was they were upset about the Trump town hall.

00:08:41.020 The employees basically fully turned on him then.

00:08:44.320 Yeah.

00:08:44.580 Because they let Donald Trump go on the air and say the things he wanted to say that they didn't agree with.

00:08:51.380 And here's the thing.

00:08:52.100 Right before the town hall with Donald Trump, apparently, word was that Chris Licht said to Donald Trump, have fun.

00:09:05.000 That's what he said to him.

00:09:06.040 That's one of the big reveals in the piece.

00:09:08.420 Have fun.

00:09:09.100 Have fun.

00:09:11.020 Well, you know, that's unacceptable.

00:09:13.000 And the piece was like, have fun.

00:09:14.380 And then he did.

00:09:15.920 That's like the way it was a big dramatic reveal in the piece.

00:09:19.360 And it's like, well, you know, look, they don't like Donald Trump over there.

00:09:24.500 I don't think Chris Licht likes Donald Trump at all.

00:09:27.620 You know, I've heard some people describe him as a moderate.

00:09:32.300 Some people describe him as sort of an old school, maybe even like a New York Republican, maybe even where he's he's one of those guys that, again, would be way more liberal than most of this audience.

00:09:42.740 But it's not completely against, you know, having lower taxes or something.

00:09:49.440 You know what I mean?

00:09:49.840 Like, it's not not complete.

00:09:51.320 So that, of course, is a huge problem at CNN, I would imagine.

00:09:54.260 If that's actually who he is, that's a huge problem for him.

00:09:57.780 Yes.

00:09:58.160 How do you how do you keep it together when you have such an evil, a group of evil around you, like a person who might like lower taxes or something?

00:10:05.760 So he was picked apart and that was a big part of it, that the Trump situation.

00:10:11.280 Now, they he even, I think, described the crowd he put in there as very Trumpy.

00:10:17.060 And it was.

00:10:18.320 I mean, look, it was felt like a rally.

00:10:20.160 It really was.

00:10:20.680 It really felt like a Trump rally.

00:10:22.140 And and sometimes you just have to take the L.

00:10:26.100 Trump dominated that event.

00:10:27.920 He won.

00:10:28.920 If you want to say wins and losses, Trump won.

00:10:31.420 He got in there.

00:10:32.360 He was able to completely handle the crowd.

00:10:35.040 He handled Caitlin Collins.

00:10:37.560 He really did.

00:10:38.760 He was he was good.

00:10:39.720 Yeah, he was good.

00:10:40.760 Again, you might disagree with all the things he was saying, but I'm saying just tone wise, who won the evening?

00:10:46.280 He crushed him.

00:10:46.800 He crushed him.

00:10:47.480 And that was the last thing in the world CNN wanted.

00:10:50.180 They saw themselves as this bulwark against the evils of Donald Trump.

00:10:55.760 And here's a guy who's letting him have a voice.

00:10:57.800 Now, I think, Pat, you're the historian around here.

00:11:01.540 Well, in history, like what one thing we've tended to do was allow the leading presidential candidate from one of the two parties speak.

00:11:11.020 Yeah.

00:11:11.500 Just historically, wasn't that part of the way we approach things?

00:11:14.860 It was.

00:11:15.180 Yeah.

00:11:15.600 It seems like that was a part of American history.

00:11:19.540 That was my memory.

00:11:20.640 Yeah.

00:11:20.920 You know, and now all of a sudden, apparently you're not supposed to do that.

00:11:23.660 I mean, Elon Musk is hearing that, you know.

00:11:26.540 Right.

00:11:27.000 He's allowing people to speak.

00:11:29.040 And it was also a huge ratings gain for CNN.

00:11:35.700 I mean, they they crushed in the ratings that night and they've not been anywhere.

00:11:40.360 And Fox, in fact, when they did and they just do a ton haul with Trump recently.

00:11:46.080 And that didn't score nearly as well as CNN's did.

00:11:51.960 CNN's interesting.

00:11:52.820 Yeah.

00:11:53.080 Beat it by a lot.

00:11:54.240 Yeah.

00:11:54.700 And so you would think CNN might have been happy about that, but apparently not.

00:11:58.860 No, apparently not.

00:11:59.640 And I guess the ratings have not been good overall, though.

00:12:02.040 I would I would argue that would be expected.

00:12:05.900 Right.

00:12:06.400 If you're what you're taking what you've created over a four or five year period was a bunch of MSNBC Huffington Post bloggers watching your network.

00:12:14.800 Mm hmm.

00:12:15.420 Right.

00:12:16.000 You probably have taken some viewers from MSNBC over the years, but you've lost a lot of people who want normal news coverage.

00:12:22.500 And that's going to take time to rebuild if that's what you want.

00:12:25.860 It's going to take a lot of time to rebuild that people on the right or moderates do not trust CNN anymore.

00:12:33.300 That's if they ever did.

00:12:34.900 Yeah.

00:12:35.780 And so to bring them back into the fold, you're going to have to do multiple years of not even D minus coverage, but like, I don't know, C plus coverage.

00:12:43.220 No one's expecting an A.

00:12:46.080 I am not expecting to get the coverage that I want from CNN.

00:12:50.640 I just don't want to be completely lied to every moment of the day.

00:12:55.780 Mm hmm.

00:12:56.300 That's all.

00:12:56.740 That'd be nice.

00:12:57.660 It's a lot to ask apparently now, though.

00:12:59.880 It really is.

00:13:00.780 Well, if he's trying to do it, you get fired.

00:13:02.400 Yeah.

00:13:03.660 Yeah.

00:13:04.180 You get you get thrown out.

00:13:06.780 So have they mentioned who's going to replace him yet?

00:13:09.800 Do they have any idea?

00:13:10.720 Well, they did bring in an executive right before this profile came out.

00:13:14.540 They knew it was coming.

00:13:15.820 They didn't.

00:13:16.140 I don't think they knew how bad it was going to be, but they knew this profile was coming.

00:13:20.400 And so they had brought in somebody.

00:13:23.220 I want to say COO.

00:13:24.840 Chris Licht was a CEO.

00:13:26.000 They run someone at COO from like the corporate structure.

00:13:28.580 A guy who is.

00:13:29.960 I mean, I need to get into all the details of this, but like a guy who's pretty more loyal to a discovery guy.

00:13:35.860 Right.

00:13:36.080 Yeah.

00:13:36.400 Yeah.

00:13:36.800 I thought it was a discovery person.

00:13:38.620 Yeah.

00:13:38.820 And so the idea was, well, maybe Chris Licht stays, but this guy takes over a lot of his responsibilities and directs the ship.

00:13:46.200 And apparently that wasn't even tenable.

00:13:48.280 So really an amazing turnaround.

00:13:50.760 I will say in Chris Licht's defense, he lasted longer than CNN Plus.

00:13:55.080 Oh, yes.

00:13:55.960 A hell of a lot longer.

00:13:57.100 He got a whole year out of this.

00:13:58.680 Yeah.

00:13:59.100 Not bad.

00:13:59.460 CNN Plus was just a few weeks.

00:14:00.760 So you take some solace into that, you know, and it's funny, you know, every every time something bad happens to like a presidential campaign, we've got a bunch of people running for president on the conservative side.

00:14:15.360 They'll have campaign shakeups over the years and CNN will be on the air over and over again to tell you the story about how pathetic those organizations are.

00:14:22.160 They will tell you over and over again when people get thrown out at other media organizations, particularly conservative ones, when they have Me Too scandals and all these other things.

00:14:31.700 And every time you read one of those stories, remember, there's five of them going on behind the scenes at the place reporting it.

00:14:38.920 Every single time these people who led the coverage of all the Me Too stuff.

00:14:43.900 Years later, we find out they had all these Me Too things going on at the same time.

00:14:49.020 They had all of these accusations, people being later thrown out of their jobs because of this.

00:14:54.900 And when you hear them cover it for other people, it's just this high minded.

00:15:00.000 I can't believe this is going on in 2023.

00:15:04.580 And then, oh, by the way, we just fired our head executive for X, Y and Z.

00:15:08.760 It happens over and over again.

00:15:10.340 And that didn't happen with Chris Licht.

00:15:11.840 As far as I know, this is just a normal performance based thing.

00:15:15.140 And he lost the staff.

00:15:16.920 Yeah.

00:15:17.060 You know, that's, I think, what happened here.

00:15:19.020 This profile.

00:15:19.960 Again, I don't understand, Pat, why people agree to profiles.

00:15:23.860 And especially an in-depth one for like a year.

00:15:27.380 Why would you do that?

00:15:28.120 What are you going to get?

00:15:28.760 Why would you do that?

00:15:29.600 Do you think that you're going to, I'm going to be the one to win them over?

00:15:33.380 Yeah.

00:15:33.700 And they're going to love me?

00:15:35.180 I guess it's arrogance, maybe?

00:15:36.920 I think so.

00:15:37.880 Because I can't think of any other reason to allow it.

00:15:40.040 Yeah.

00:15:40.400 I'd be like, no.

00:15:41.860 Apparently, people in CNN were like pushing back at the time saying, I don't know if you want to give this much access.

00:15:46.460 And his opinion was basically, I'm going to turn this ship around.

00:15:49.600 And this is going to be like a hero story.

00:15:51.640 Yeah.

00:15:51.940 You know, I'm the guy who's going to come in here and turn this crappy, crap heap of a network into something good.

00:15:56.780 And we're going to want that to be documented.

00:15:58.960 And the person who wants that access always lies.

00:16:02.100 Oh, yes.

00:16:02.780 Remember Brian Stelter?

00:16:04.340 I do.

00:16:04.840 Coming here.

00:16:05.800 He lied.

00:16:06.820 I mean, he was just a lying sack of crap.

00:16:09.320 He wrote a couple of good pieces about Glenn over the years as well, earlier on.

00:16:13.340 But then.

00:16:14.000 But some bad ones as well.

00:16:16.240 And then eventually Glenn walked off the air in the middle of an interview with him.

00:16:19.440 Remember that?

00:16:20.260 Yeah.

00:16:20.840 On TV.

00:16:21.920 Which is something you don't see that often.

00:16:23.880 No.

00:16:23.980 But I will say Brian.

00:16:25.120 But it felt good at the time.

00:16:26.260 Who got fired by Chris Licht.

00:16:28.460 Man, was he excited to cover this story over the weekend.

00:16:31.080 Oh, yes he was.

00:16:31.580 Oh, he loved it.

00:16:32.500 He loved it.

00:16:33.440 You know, I mean.

00:16:34.160 Who can blame him?

00:16:34.940 Yeah.

00:16:35.100 He was apparently getting calls from all the people who hated it.

00:16:37.760 Chris looked at CNN.

00:16:39.040 And then he was just writing it up.

00:16:41.080 And, you know, again, this happens.

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00:18:21.020 Who is it?

00:18:21.320 Mike Pence officially leapt into the race just a few hours ago with a tweet.

00:18:37.880 Hey, I'm going to run for president.

00:18:40.740 You know that thing you already knew?

00:18:42.260 It's true.

00:18:42.780 It's true.

00:18:43.960 It's true.

00:18:44.800 I can't keep the lid on this thing any longer.

00:18:47.020 I know you're bursting with excitement.

00:18:51.940 Mike Pence is running for president.

00:18:56.740 Yeah.

00:18:56.980 Yeah.

00:18:57.440 Yeah.

00:18:57.680 This is just days after Doug Burgum.

00:19:01.800 Jensen.

00:19:02.560 No, Burgum.

00:19:03.540 It's just Burgum.

00:19:04.280 Just Burgum.

00:19:05.080 From North Dakota.

00:19:06.220 He's in.

00:19:07.220 He's in.

00:19:07.960 The governor from the great state of North Dakota.

00:19:12.000 Mm-hmm.

00:19:12.280 And he brings, of course, now, should he not win for some reason?

00:19:16.920 I mean, I can't imagine it, but should he not win the actual nomination?

00:19:21.240 I'm sure that the person who does can't wait to make him the running mate for vice president

00:19:27.140 because you bring those whopping three electoral votes to the table.

00:19:33.280 Well.

00:19:33.720 Three.

00:19:33.960 And we should put it.

00:19:34.600 What if Doug Burgum could help.

00:19:36.540 Burgum.

00:19:37.040 Burgum.

00:19:37.660 What if Doug Burgum, Meister, Meister Burgum.

00:19:40.460 What if he could help you swing North Dakota?

00:19:44.480 Pat, the Republicans are already going to win North Dakota.

00:19:47.960 And maybe.

00:19:48.520 Not without.

00:19:49.240 You think without Doug Burgum?

00:19:51.300 I'm saying if Doug Burgum is not on the ticket, the Republicans will be the favorite.

00:19:55.520 Really?

00:19:56.200 In North Dakota.

00:19:56.700 And maybe that's because of the great work Doug Burgum has done in North Dakota.

00:20:00.220 Thank you.

00:20:00.820 Yes.

00:20:01.300 And maybe he's done it too well.

00:20:02.620 And so even if he's not vice president, they still carry the state for only the, what,

00:20:09.800 75th time in a row or whatever.

00:20:11.800 Right.

00:20:12.160 Whatever it's been.

00:20:13.120 I will say, look, maybe Doug Burgum is, I don't, I will say, I don't know enough about

00:20:16.620 his job.

00:20:17.560 Maybe he's done a great job.

00:20:18.760 He may have.

00:20:19.320 I will say, North Dakota's had a pretty good run here and he's been the governor and it

00:20:23.140 seems like he's done a good job.

00:20:25.180 So, and there's a lot of Republican governors out there that are pretty solid.

00:20:29.020 Yeah, there are.

00:20:29.580 It's a leap.

00:20:30.220 There are.

00:20:30.460 It's a leap to go from.

00:20:31.860 It's just that nobody knows who he is.

00:20:33.380 Yeah.

00:20:33.880 Nobody knows Doug Burgum.

00:20:35.420 This is how they know.

00:20:36.360 This is how they do.

00:20:36.760 You run for president.

00:20:37.520 This is how you introduce yourself to the people these days.

00:20:39.720 Yeah.

00:20:40.020 And Chris Christie's running too.

00:20:41.400 Chris Christie.

00:20:41.740 I noticed you didn't even hit that.

00:20:42.980 Is that because you're scared of him?

00:20:44.380 Christie.

00:20:45.580 Yeah, I am scared of him.

00:20:47.420 I'm afraid he might swallow me whole.

00:20:50.280 Knowing what we know, Pat.

00:20:51.260 All these days.

00:20:51.920 Knowing what we know about Chris Christie.

00:20:54.640 Yeah.

00:20:55.080 Mike Pence and Doug Burgum.

00:20:57.520 Yeah.

00:20:57.840 You're going Burgum.

00:20:59.240 I'm going.

00:21:00.420 I am.

00:21:01.520 You're right.

00:21:02.000 I don't know anything about Burgum.

00:21:03.440 You're right.

00:21:03.840 But I'm Burgum.

00:21:04.600 I'm Burgum-fied.

00:21:06.020 I am.

00:21:07.300 The Burgum-mentum is real with me.

00:21:10.060 Yeah.

00:21:10.340 In that particular.

00:21:11.460 If you have that race.

00:21:12.220 If you have those three.

00:21:13.520 Now I.

00:21:14.200 Now you're discounting Trump and DeSantis.

00:21:16.380 No, I'm just saying if it's just those three.

00:21:17.640 The others have to drop out in this particular scenario.

00:21:20.420 But if you have those three.

00:21:21.440 If you could only vote for one presidential candidate that announced this week.

00:21:25.200 I'm in Burgum County.

00:21:27.500 That's where I am.

00:21:28.400 I don't know anything about Burgum.

00:21:29.680 I don't know what it's like.

00:21:30.640 But again, I know a lot about Chris Christie.

00:21:32.460 And I know I don't want that.

00:21:33.620 Yeah.

00:21:33.820 And Mike Pence.

00:21:34.960 Look.

00:21:35.200 It's a little bit of a complicated story with Pence.

00:21:39.180 He's done a lot of good things.

00:21:40.820 He was a pretty good congressman.

00:21:42.680 Yeah.

00:21:43.020 You know.

00:21:43.520 He was a pretty good governor.

00:21:45.660 You know, as a vice president.

00:21:47.340 You didn't really learn much about him.

00:21:48.720 Because he basically backed up everything Donald Trump said every single day.

00:21:52.540 Until the very, very end.

00:21:53.840 A lot of this audience really would like that.

00:21:55.720 Yeah.

00:21:55.940 Right?

00:21:56.220 I think most.

00:21:56.940 So you'd think there's a rationale for him.

00:21:59.500 But then the January 6th thing happened in January, you know, into January 20th.

00:22:05.100 And people completely turned on the guy.

00:22:07.280 And so there's no excitement for him.

00:22:08.800 He's not exciting naturally.

00:22:11.820 He's a very.

00:22:13.060 Right.

00:22:13.380 He's not an electric speaker.

00:22:14.920 No.

00:22:15.620 And I don't know what.

00:22:17.500 I mean, he's an okay speaker.

00:22:19.040 Yeah.

00:22:19.600 Comes from a talk radio background.

00:22:21.540 He's, you know.

00:22:22.600 But he's not exciting.

00:22:24.280 Not exciting.

00:22:24.820 He's not electric.

00:22:25.440 Yeah.

00:22:25.640 And I don't think there's, I just don't think there's any appetite for a Mike Pence presidency.

00:22:30.700 Well, you're wrong about that, my friend.

00:22:32.200 I just saw a poll where he's at 4%.

00:22:36.080 Yeah.

00:22:36.600 Gosh.

00:22:37.120 4.

00:22:37.680 Stop with your anti-Bergum propaganda.

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00:23:51.260 Glenn, Stu, Steve Dace, Chad Prather, and me, Pat Gray.

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00:23:59.040 Promo code Glenn.

00:24:00.120 It is Pat and Stu for Glenn, who is on vacation this week.

00:24:25.080 So, he missed the official announcement of Chris Christie is going to be bummed.

00:24:30.820 I assume he's flying back in.

00:24:32.060 I think he's overseas right now, but I would assume he'll be back in for tomorrow's show

00:24:36.500 to address the Chris Christie, Mike Pence, and Doug Burgum announcements.

00:24:40.300 He'll want to do that because he's missed all three of these huge announcements.

00:24:45.120 Yeah.

00:24:45.300 I know we have a lot of viewers and listeners overseas.

00:24:49.280 If you see Glenn walking around with his family, make sure to ask him what he feels about Doug

00:24:52.960 Burgum and that announcement.

00:24:54.580 You know, I think he'll really appreciate it.

00:24:57.560 For sure.

00:24:58.120 Yeah, there's no question.

00:24:59.560 He really will appreciate it.

00:25:01.500 But in case you missed the big Chris Christie announcement, here it was.

00:25:05.760 And it was about our country and its future, and I wondered what our choice was going to

00:25:14.860 be.

00:25:16.320 Were we going to be small, or were we going to be big?

00:25:20.780 Well, I think you've answered that.

00:25:22.040 Yeah.

00:25:23.200 Come on.

00:25:24.320 It's too easy.

00:25:25.820 What is he doing?

00:25:27.740 Are we going to be small, or are we going to be big?

00:25:29.860 The guy had lap band surgery, and he still made that decision very clearly.

00:25:34.740 And he's still.

00:25:35.200 What is he doing?

00:25:36.660 Big.

00:25:37.540 Okay, so it's a big announcement.

00:25:39.600 However, he went really small during his speech, and here's some of the times when he

00:25:47.600 mentioned that.

00:25:48.740 We're going to be small, smaller, and smaller.

00:25:51.000 And smaller in every way.

00:25:52.200 Smaller and smaller in the way.

00:25:53.920 Smaller.

00:25:54.700 Smaller.

00:25:55.360 It's getting smaller.

00:25:56.180 Being small.

00:25:57.060 Small.

00:25:57.540 Small.

00:25:58.140 Small.

00:25:58.940 Smaller and smaller.

00:26:00.380 Smaller.

00:26:00.880 Smaller and smaller.

00:26:02.180 Voldemort.

00:26:02.780 Smaller.

00:26:03.180 Smaller.

00:26:03.700 Smaller.

00:26:04.300 Smaller.

00:26:04.680 Smaller.

00:26:05.320 Smaller.

00:26:05.840 Smaller.

00:26:06.400 Smaller.

00:26:06.840 Smaller.

00:26:07.360 Smaller.

00:26:07.880 Small.

00:26:08.200 Smaller.

00:26:08.720 Smaller.

00:26:09.280 Small.

00:26:09.720 Small.

00:26:10.260 Smaller.

00:26:10.740 Small.

00:26:11.180 Smaller.

00:26:11.660 Small.

00:26:12.200 Small.

00:26:12.680 Small.

00:26:13.040 So small.

00:26:13.740 Oh my gosh.

00:26:14.380 Is this one speech?

00:26:15.360 Yeah.

00:26:15.880 Yeah.

00:26:16.140 One speech he said small that many times?

00:26:18.140 Yes.

00:26:18.420 40 seconds worth of 40 seconds worth of small and smaller.

00:26:22.320 It's really weird.

00:26:23.240 Is that weird?

00:26:24.120 Yeah.

00:26:24.780 Very weird.

00:26:25.320 Who made that video?

00:26:26.340 Marco Rubio?

00:26:27.380 Marco Rubio's just like, screw this guy.

00:26:29.480 If he repeats anything, I'm making a video about it.

00:26:32.800 It's funny because that was essentially the criticism of Rubio, right?

00:26:37.500 It was in his big debate moment in 2016.

00:26:40.360 The only thing anyone remembers Chris Christie's performance for when he flamed out embarrassingly,

00:26:46.920 much more embarrassingly than Marco Rubio, we should note.

00:26:50.700 Because Marco Rubio took a drink of water?

00:26:52.820 Was that?

00:26:53.400 No, that was a different thing, I think.

00:26:55.620 Oh, okay.

00:26:56.100 Yeah, the Rubio, the water thing was different.

00:26:57.800 This was, he repeated himself a few times.

00:27:00.580 He had like some sort of catchphrase.

00:27:03.440 I can't remember what it was off the top of my head.

00:27:05.800 But he, in the debate, kept saying like one of those dumb political catchphrases, like,

00:27:12.380 you know, kind of like that.

00:27:13.560 Like, are we going to go bigger or are we going to go smaller?

00:27:15.800 And he kept saying it the same way.

00:27:18.120 And after a while, after two or three times, and Christie called him out on it, and then he

00:27:22.160 said it again, and that was really what kind of made that into a moment.

00:27:28.520 A couple of things about that moment, though.

00:27:30.940 I think it's, it was more Rubio having a bad moment than Christie having some amazing moment.

00:27:37.260 Like, all he did basically was say, hey, Marco, you're repeating yourself over and over again,

00:27:42.280 and we need people who are going to speak from the heart, not speak from catchphrases.

00:27:46.760 That was basically all that was.

00:27:48.500 And everyone remembers it as this moment that sunk Marco Rubio.

00:27:52.920 Like, I don't know.

00:27:53.940 Is that fair?

00:27:54.400 Was Rubio winning that campaign beforehand?

00:27:57.200 I don't know.

00:27:58.280 No, he wasn't.

00:27:59.040 Rubio has heard this literally so many times he decided to address it yesterday.

00:28:05.260 And I think there's something to his point here in some parts that are not necessarily

00:28:11.220 accurate.

00:28:11.520 He said, Rubio said, any political reporter or commentator claiming Christie ended my campaign

00:28:17.600 in 2016 is lazy or dumb.

00:28:20.980 NH debate sucked.

00:28:22.480 He's admitting that.

00:28:23.420 Because instead of hitting back when attacked like I wanted to, I listened to advice about

00:28:27.520 pivoting and not punching down on Chris Christie, who was at 7% and about to drop out.

00:28:32.720 But it didn't end my campaign.

00:28:34.560 There's, look, that is, I don't think that's exactly right.

00:28:37.380 I think he did go after Christie a little bit, but the punching down advice probably was

00:28:41.940 real, right?

00:28:42.660 Like, Christie was an absolute nobody in this campaign, despite the fact that he's kind

00:28:47.700 of a Northeastern type of guy and was supposed to do well in New Hampshire.

00:28:51.100 It's where he focused all of his attention.

00:28:53.680 Then Rubio goes on to say, after New Hampshire, I finished second in South Carolina and Nevada,

00:29:00.780 which I would have, I kind of forgot, honestly.

00:29:04.320 Yeah.

00:29:05.400 And then won three primaries, almost won Virginia on Super Tuesday, finished with the third most

00:29:10.700 delegates behind Trump's historic campaign and was reelected twice by 8 and 17 points.

00:29:16.960 So like, you know, has Chris Christie got a better resume than that?

00:29:21.100 No.

00:29:21.560 I would say no.

00:29:22.940 Definitely not.

00:29:23.860 His campaign was much more of a disaster.

00:29:25.960 He just jumped out and then because Chris Christie makes decisions that are always best for Chris

00:29:31.580 Christie, I mean, I'm not saying in a dietary sense, but I'm saying from this, sorry, I made

00:29:39.260 myself laugh on that one, from the sense of, you know, his political career, like that's,

00:29:44.360 he's making the, so he dropped out after getting slaughtered in the primary he put all of his

00:29:49.020 attention to and was the first guy to endorse Trump.

00:29:53.160 And of course, Trump, who has a little bit of that in him as well, who, you know, he'll

00:29:57.380 take you on if you're friends with him.

00:29:59.020 If he thinks being friends with you today, I mean, he did this with literally Kim Jong-un.

00:30:03.140 When he thought being friends with Kim Jong-un was good, he was friends with Kim Jong-un.

00:30:07.860 When he thought he was going to blow him off the planet, he said he was going to blow him

00:30:10.600 off the, when he said he was bad, he was going to blow him off the planet.

00:30:13.480 With Christie, he hated Christie until it was helping him.

00:30:18.080 And then he embraced Christie and Christie was, uh, embraced Trump and they had this big

00:30:22.600 relationship and then that fell apart and now they hate each other again, right?

00:30:26.420 Like this is just part of politics.

00:30:28.260 It's nothing more than that.

00:30:29.540 But I think it is a little overblown that he sunk the Rubio campaign.

00:30:32.760 I mean, that's kind of a, a narrative that is, uh, outlived its relevance.

00:30:37.200 I would say, uh, Trump responded to Christie, uh, last night via a tweet and the fact that

00:30:44.360 he used the word small so many times, he said, uh, he tweeted out, well, truthed out because

00:30:51.240 this was on truth.

00:30:52.320 He's not on the Twitter still, even though he can get back on, you know, Elon Musk has

00:30:56.640 activated his account still on the, still on truth social, but he posted, how many times

00:31:01.240 did Chris Christie use the word small?

00:31:04.300 Does he have a psychological problem with size?

00:31:07.220 Actually, his speech was small and not very good.

00:31:13.360 It rambled all over the place and nobody had a clue of what he was talking about.

00:31:17.780 Now he hates Christie and Christie hates him.

00:31:20.340 And now this guy that was very close to becoming, uh, getting a cabinet level position in the

00:31:27.120 Trump white house.

00:31:27.900 And that's what he wanted.

00:31:28.680 It seems like.

00:31:29.300 Yeah.

00:31:29.540 Attorney general, right?

00:31:30.280 Yeah.

00:31:30.580 He wanted attorney general and he was not going to get that because he put Jerry Gushner's father

00:31:35.220 in prison when you put the father, is that an issue?

00:31:39.420 Yeah.

00:31:40.140 Huh?

00:31:40.720 The, the, the, the, uh, son-in-law of the candidate.

00:31:44.740 Yeah.

00:31:45.300 You put his dad in prison and, uh, he didn't, Jared didn't like that too much.

00:31:49.740 Now I think there's more to it.

00:31:51.100 I think Trump correctly recognized that Chris Christie is an opportunist and would have sold

00:31:57.540 him down the river at his first opportunity.

00:31:59.880 Yeah.

00:32:00.100 Uh, I don't think, I think Trump was very smart to keep him at a distance, even though

00:32:05.540 he embraced him publicly.

00:32:07.000 I don't think there really ever was a warm relationship there.

00:32:10.160 And, uh, you know, look, Christie is now coming into this race with this idea.

00:32:14.180 And the reason I bring the Rubio part of this up, Pat, is because the re the, the argument

00:32:18.500 for Chris Christie being in this race, if you want to make one other than he wants attention

00:32:24.460 and to get on television is that he's going to be the guy that's going to take it to these

00:32:28.380 other candidates, he's not going to be afraid of them.

00:32:30.600 He'll come out and say them, especially Trump, that's what they're saying that he's going

00:32:33.740 to go after Trump and some DeSantis as well.

00:32:36.000 Yeah.

00:32:36.260 And he, you know, and I think this is a somewhat legitimate criticism that some are making,

00:32:42.680 which is people are so they walk on eggshells so much around Donald Trump because they're

00:32:47.240 afraid to lose his voters that they don't really call out Trump directly.

00:32:51.680 It's a lot of like, well, you know, some people are doing this and I won't do that.

00:32:54.940 It's like, well, some, what do you mean?

00:32:56.480 Some people own large hotels with gold and some people own golf courses in Scotland and

00:33:05.620 I won't be that kind of president.

00:33:07.020 It's like, we know who you're talking about.

00:33:08.640 Just say it.

00:33:10.160 Like, if you want to run for president, be a man or a woman and step up and say, guys,

00:33:18.000 this is my opponent.

00:33:19.960 This is my competition.

00:33:21.080 This is who I'm going to be better than, and this is why I'm going to be better than

00:33:26.100 him.

00:33:26.640 If you can't bring yourself to actually talk about him directly, I don't know.

00:33:31.780 Should you be president of the United States?

00:33:34.440 And the rule of thumb is that you only talk about them if they're above you in the ratings

00:33:39.100 or the polls or whatever.

00:33:40.720 And that's what he was talking about punching down last time at Chris Christie.

00:33:44.660 That's what Marco Rubio was talking about.

00:33:46.160 Well, Trump is the leader.

00:33:49.160 So, yeah, I mean, you're punching up.

00:33:51.900 And that is a real strategy.

00:33:53.720 It goes back to, I mean, you know this from morning radio, right?

00:33:57.120 Like, one of the things you do as a morning radio host, if you're in a, you go into a

00:34:00.940 new market and you're the number two guy and you're trying to get attention for yourself.

00:34:06.740 You take on the number one.

00:34:07.740 You take on the number one guy.

00:34:08.540 You go after him.

00:34:09.180 You make fun of him.

00:34:09.940 You do stunts.

00:34:11.080 You get out in front of him.

00:34:12.000 You want people talking about you, but if you're that big show and you've got this

00:34:16.840 upstart down there, the strategy typically is to ignore them, right?

00:34:21.920 Who cares?

00:34:22.640 They've got this smaller audience.

00:34:24.040 The more I talk about them, the more attention I will bring to them, the more people who might

00:34:28.260 go to them.

00:34:29.500 Yeah.

00:34:29.940 And that's what Rubio was talking about there.

00:34:31.800 He was the big dog in that race as compared to Chris Christie.

00:34:36.380 And while he had a disaster in New Hampshire, he had a couple of good primaries after that.

00:34:40.840 I mean, it wasn't over for him.

00:34:43.340 If he had performed better in his home state, he could have been the nominee.

00:34:48.340 Right.

00:34:48.500 The problem was they got to Florida and he didn't perform.

00:34:51.680 He lost in Florida and you can't do that.

00:34:54.440 No, not your own home state.

00:34:55.780 No.

00:34:56.140 No.

00:34:56.400 The same thing with DeSantis.

00:34:57.360 If he gets to Florida and he doesn't win Florida, which by the way, the polls are not

00:35:00.380 showing he's going to win Florida right now, way too early to actually matter.

00:35:03.900 But if he were to lose Florida, his campaign would likely be over.

00:35:06.940 Apparently, according to his internal polling, DeSantis has cut the lead in Iowa by 14 points.

00:35:15.700 That's what his internal never back down PAC survey that was shared with Axios has DeSantis

00:35:23.540 closing the gap between him and the front runner, who, of course, is Donald Trump.

00:35:29.180 Let's not say it.

00:35:31.000 Let's just say the hotel owner, the hotel owner with gold, lots of brass.

00:35:35.960 He's got the guy.

00:35:38.040 Well, you know, some other candidates will host The Apprentice for multiple years.

00:35:44.880 Between him and that guy?

00:35:46.800 Yeah.

00:35:47.120 Has been reduced by 14 points.

00:35:48.940 In mid-May, before DeSantis officially announced, he was at 24% in Iowa polling compared to Trump's

00:35:57.280 48%.

00:35:58.040 So it was 24 percentage points.

00:36:01.700 And now it's 10 percentage points.

00:36:09.160 I mean, take internal polling for what it's worth, which is very little to us.

00:36:13.440 That's true.

00:36:13.940 They're not going to tell you if the polling looks bad.

00:36:17.040 And even an official poll that is very well done at this point means very little, I think.

00:36:23.360 I think it's interesting, though.

00:36:24.400 I mean, look, you look at some of these candidates.

00:36:26.180 Chris Christie does not belong in this race.

00:36:28.480 No, no, no.

00:36:29.700 And that's, I think, an important line.

00:36:32.840 He has not accomplished enough.

00:36:35.480 He has had a time where he probably did belong in the race.

00:36:38.680 I think 2012 would have been a time he belonged in the race.

00:36:41.340 You could argue 2016.

00:36:43.560 But like now, it's just ridiculous, right?

00:36:46.300 I think, look, people like Tim Scott.

00:36:48.640 People like Ron DeSantis, people like Nikki Haley, you know, Christy Noem if she decided

00:36:53.720 to get in.

00:36:54.880 Greg Abbott, if he decides to get in, are people who have arguments, right?

00:36:58.920 Chris Christie has no argument.

00:37:00.680 He has no argument to be in this race.

00:37:02.940 Right.

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00:40:12.960 Welcome back to the program.

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00:40:26.980 Glenn is on vacation this week.

00:40:28.960 It's Pat and Stu filling in.

00:40:30.520 In a minute, I want to maybe talk about this Live Golf thing.

00:40:34.620 Holy cow.

00:40:35.380 That is...

00:40:35.820 I'm not a huge golf fan.

00:40:37.260 No.

00:40:37.440 But this is staggering news that the PGA and Live have merged.

00:40:42.640 We'll get into it in a few minutes.

00:40:43.800 Yeah.

00:40:44.180 Some of the most amazing pieces of hypocrisy perhaps ever.

00:40:48.040 Yeah, ever.

00:40:48.840 Ever in sports history.

00:40:50.440 And we cover politics.

00:40:52.120 Yeah.

00:40:52.560 We covered John Kerry for years, and we were amazed by the story.

00:40:56.220 That's...

00:40:56.860 That's saying something.

00:40:58.080 Saying something.

00:40:59.140 So, really amazing.

00:41:01.160 By the way, did you watch the Tucker Carlson thing that came out on Twitter last night?

00:41:04.940 I did not see it.

00:41:05.920 I heard about it, but I didn't see it.

00:41:07.800 About 10 minutes long.

00:41:08.660 His first episode, I guess.

00:41:10.040 Oh.

00:41:10.560 10 minutes?

00:41:11.260 Yeah.

00:41:11.500 Just like basically a monologue of sorts.

00:41:14.540 Okay.

00:41:14.940 And that was it.

00:41:16.660 Talked about Ukraine and the dam being broken and who was responsible for that.

00:41:21.920 He's certainly a believer that Ukraine is the one that did that.

00:41:25.460 And also UFOs.

00:41:26.880 He thinks Ukraine damaged their own dam?

00:41:29.960 Yeah.

00:41:30.440 And I was in Russian territory.

00:41:31.860 It is a really weird story.

00:41:33.620 It is a weird story.

00:41:34.680 You know, there was some...

00:41:35.940 They had talked, I guess, at some point...

00:41:37.580 I have not seen this, but Tucker mentioned that they had talked at some point, the Ukrainians,

00:41:42.080 about targeting that bridge.

00:41:44.260 However, Zelensky also talked about saying that the Russians would target that bridge.

00:41:50.220 You know, I guess it just depends on who you believe.

00:41:52.700 You know, and obviously, I mean, Tucker is a super, super big skeptic of the Ukraine situation.

00:41:57.740 So, he's not a Zelensky fan.

00:41:59.720 I think that's one thing you'd gather from his first episode.

00:42:01.900 But has, you know, supposedly tens of millions of views.

00:42:07.320 What is it?

00:42:08.000 65 million views now?

00:42:09.220 65 million views.

00:42:10.500 Now, again, a view on Twitter is...

00:42:15.040 You're scrolling past it.

00:42:15.980 The video starts and you continue to scroll.

00:42:17.880 That counts as a view.

00:42:19.280 It's a weird metric.

00:42:20.600 That's not to say that 65 million people watched the 10-minute monologue.

00:42:23.660 But the fact that it's still a real big number.

00:42:27.780 It's a really big number.

00:42:30.020 And it's an interesting thing Twitter's trying to do.

00:42:33.060 I mean, Musk keeps saying he wants liberals to do it, too.

00:42:35.680 Come on over.

00:42:36.860 Put your liberal monologues on here, too.

00:42:39.060 We want them all.

00:42:40.460 And the left so far hasn't really taken them up on that.

00:42:43.940 Interesting.

00:42:44.120 Which is not a huge surprise, I guess.

00:42:46.400 But I guess they don't like playing in competitive environments.

00:42:50.680 Well, because they can't win.

00:42:51.480 Yeah, that's the main reason.

00:42:52.640 They can't win on the playing field of ideas.

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00:44:58.040 I, we have got to get into this PGA situation.

00:45:02.800 I'm not even a big golf fan.

00:45:04.540 I mean, I follow it like sort of, you know, on the fringes, really.

00:45:11.500 I, I, I like to see if Tiger Woods won a tournament.

00:45:14.880 That's about as far as my interest goes.

00:45:16.720 On a Sunday, if the, if, if I'm bored enough, you know, and there's a close, you know, last

00:45:21.700 couple holes.

00:45:22.460 Will you actually watch them?

00:45:23.320 Yeah.

00:45:23.520 And I've gone to.

00:45:24.140 Oh, okay.

00:45:24.580 Going to golf tournaments is fantastic.

00:45:26.480 It's a lot of fun.

00:45:27.480 Okay.

00:45:27.840 It's a really fun day.

00:45:28.820 I'll have to trust you on that.

00:45:29.840 I've never done that.

00:45:30.520 It's really.

00:45:31.040 Never done that.

00:45:31.480 It might not be as fun for you as you not a, you don't like to consume alcohol.

00:45:35.300 Right.

00:45:35.640 Right.

00:45:35.840 Which is a big part of the day.

00:45:37.320 But I would say you have a lot of fun at going to a golf tournament live, watching it

00:45:41.920 on TV.

00:45:42.420 And, you know, I'm sorry.

00:45:42.900 If you love the sport, you love the sport, of course.

00:45:44.680 Right.

00:45:45.160 I'm not, I'm not a guy who loves the sport.

00:45:46.920 Me neither.

00:45:47.260 But I know people, people in my family who absolutely are devoted to golf fans and are

00:45:52.980 going to be upset with the PGA caving in like they just did.

00:45:56.540 We'll get to that in one minute.

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00:47:02.920 The PGA and Live Golf, the golf league, the brand new golf league.

00:47:13.260 It's been, what, a year, two years since this formed?

00:47:18.380 And they stole away a couple of PGA players.

00:47:21.900 But there's some big ones, too.

00:47:23.220 Yeah, Brooks Koepka, of course, Phil Mickelson, who supposedly paid $200 million.

00:47:30.440 That's tough to turn down.

00:47:32.380 And he didn't.

00:47:33.320 Oh, gosh.

00:47:33.940 I mean, I would go in the room with Khashoggi for $200 million.

00:47:37.000 No, I'm kidding.

00:47:37.420 It's the type of thing that makes you think, hey, I don't know.

00:47:44.680 Most people.

00:47:45.580 You know what?

00:47:45.920 He had it coming.

00:47:47.020 He had it coming.

00:47:48.460 You could convince me.

00:47:49.400 Maybe he's not a good guy.

00:47:50.880 I don't know.

00:47:52.200 What has he done?

00:47:53.620 I'm worried about it.

00:47:55.080 I saw a blurry figure in some security video.

00:48:00.420 Was that him?

00:48:01.340 I don't know.

00:48:02.080 I don't know.

00:48:02.860 Thank God the Saudis are here.

00:48:04.460 No, I mean, I think $200 million convinces people to do a lot of things, right?

00:48:09.020 I mean, and we should be clear.

00:48:11.880 From the beginning, I've stood here.

00:48:16.540 Look, it's a little silly, a little silly to sit here and criticize these guys for taking

00:48:22.760 $200 million to play golf in another league.

00:48:26.140 Yeah.

00:48:26.280 If Saudi Arabian money is behind it, well, guess what?

00:48:29.260 Everything you buy comes from freaking China.

00:48:32.080 Right.

00:48:32.440 Right?

00:48:32.640 Like, you know, unless...

00:48:34.620 Hard to justify that.

00:48:35.580 Yeah.

00:48:35.860 It's hard to justify that, right?

00:48:37.800 Because the Uyghurs, for one thing.

00:48:39.580 Yeah.

00:48:39.940 For a hundred different reasons.

00:48:41.100 Yeah.

00:48:41.220 Every country, like, yes, Saudi Arabia has a pretty bad human rights record, but so do

00:48:47.220 a lot of countries around the world.

00:48:49.340 And I'm not comparing, you know, I'm not going to be the person who's like, well, every country

00:48:53.260 has done bad things.

00:48:54.180 And therefore, I think, you know, look, Saudi Arabia is on the, toward the bottom of that

00:48:57.360 list.

00:48:57.840 There's real problems there.

00:48:58.920 I can understand why people would be offended by it.

00:49:01.180 But like, you know, when the NBA has deals with China, who's objectively worse at this

00:49:07.840 point, everything, they won't address anything China does.

00:49:12.960 In fact, China is verboten for players in the NBA to even discuss, really, unless it's in

00:49:19.320 a positive manner.

00:49:20.320 Right.

00:49:20.520 You can only talk positively about China.

00:49:23.180 Otherwise, you're nearly kicked out of the league and you're certainly silenced.

00:49:27.180 Yeah.

00:49:27.480 Remember the general manager of the Houston Rockets who said something and, oh my gosh,

00:49:31.280 he's a persona non grata now.

00:49:33.480 All he did was tweet a picture of supporting Hong Kong.

00:49:36.080 Right.

00:49:36.700 And he was, I mean, he was chastised by the league.

00:49:40.560 Yeah.

00:49:40.780 He was bludgeoned by the league.

00:49:42.240 Much, much worse.

00:49:42.740 And like, look, in a global economy, when things are being, you know, do we think we

00:49:49.040 agree with everything India does?

00:49:50.820 Do we agree with everything Bangladesh does?

00:49:52.540 Of course not.

00:49:52.560 Do we agree with everything Vietnam does?

00:49:54.360 You're buying products all the time from these companies.

00:49:56.460 Why is golf the one thing?

00:49:58.160 Every movie you go see has a deal where they're doing in another country and they're giving

00:50:02.300 tens of millions of dollars to other countries that have terrible human rights records and

00:50:06.560 they're filming their real cruise.

00:50:07.160 Isn't Tom Cruise in bed with, is it Saudi Arabia or is it China?

00:50:11.440 I don't know, some crappy, he got a lot of money from somebody we don't like.

00:50:15.940 Yeah.

00:50:16.300 I can't remember who, but he financed Top Gun Maverick with it.

00:50:22.280 Right.

00:50:22.740 And you'll see people, and there were tons of them on ESPN yesterday, doing, criticizing

00:50:29.780 all these PGA.

00:50:31.920 So indignant.

00:50:32.140 So indignant about it.

00:50:33.380 While they're owned by Disney, who's making Mulan like in a prison camp.

00:50:39.220 They like went to a prison camp because the shot looked beautiful.

00:50:42.960 Like, hey, let's actually use the slave labor for this particular shot.

00:50:47.960 Yep.

00:50:48.340 I mean, it's just so hypocritical.

00:50:51.320 So from the beginning, I thought it was hypocritical.

00:50:53.640 You're never going to be able to approve of all the bad things that other countries do.

00:50:57.720 If you're going to do business in an international way, this is going to be a constant struggle.

00:51:02.360 And the fact that just people like Phil Mickelson have to answer, every other business gets

00:51:07.580 a pass, but poor Phil Mickelson and Brooks Koepka have to answer for everything Saudi Arabia

00:51:12.460 does.

00:51:13.440 And it's just insultingly stupid to me from the beginning.

00:51:16.480 It is.

00:51:17.140 But the PGA made such a big deal out of it that you thought, okay, well, this is going

00:51:23.360 to be a thing for a while.

00:51:24.500 And they're going to ban everybody who goes to live, the Live Golf Tournament, which is

00:51:29.460 funded by the Saudi Arabian Sovereign Wealth Fund.

00:51:32.780 So they're going to ban all those guys from the PGA.

00:51:34.880 Well, it turns out they kind of didn't because they could play in all of the majors.

00:51:39.700 Which is really the only thing they care about.

00:51:40.900 Which is weird.

00:51:41.240 And that's all they care about because they only have to show up to a few Live Tournaments

00:51:46.900 to make $200 million.

00:51:48.640 Or in Koepka's case, I think $100 million.

00:51:50.920 Yeah.

00:51:51.380 And by the way, the rumor was that Tiger Woods was offered.

00:51:55.000 $500 million.

00:51:55.960 Yeah.

00:51:56.100 I heard $800 million.

00:51:58.180 And I heard they could have easily gotten them up to a billion.

00:52:01.060 And he didn't take it.

00:52:02.460 No.

00:52:02.920 Now, look at him.

00:52:04.480 Like, after, because, you know, in case we haven't got to this part of the story, they

00:52:07.760 merged.

00:52:08.040 Should have taken it.

00:52:08.380 Right?

00:52:08.540 They merged.

00:52:09.700 And so, after saying-

00:52:11.380 How is that possible?

00:52:12.660 They were basically Satan and working with the 9-11 terrorists for months.

00:52:16.900 And all the Jamal Khashoggi stuff.

00:52:19.020 Yeah.

00:52:19.140 Well, they killed Jamal Khashoggi, the journalist.

00:52:22.360 And we can't-

00:52:24.360 I mean, that's horrible.

00:52:25.660 9-11!

00:52:26.580 Yeah.

00:52:27.000 I mean, they were throwing that around.

00:52:28.680 Yeah.

00:52:28.940 They were saying-

00:52:29.580 The PGA leadership was throwing that around.

00:52:31.260 They were saying, like, how could you do this to the 9-11 families?

00:52:33.640 And then, like, six months later, like, we'll take that money.

00:52:36.160 Are you kidding?

00:52:37.440 So, think of all the dynamics here, Bat.

00:52:39.180 Amazing.

00:52:40.200 Amazing.

00:52:40.780 They said they would never do this.

00:52:42.560 They said you would never have to apologize for being- you'd never be embarrassed to say

00:52:46.740 you were a PGA player.

00:52:48.040 Mm-hmm.

00:52:48.680 And yet, here they are saying, you know, the 9-11 families, you're not honoring their

00:52:53.760 memories right.

00:52:54.880 Mm-hmm.

00:52:55.220 And then they take the cash.

00:52:56.520 And the only thing that makes any sense here is that there's a meeting in Saudi Arabia

00:53:01.440 and these guys are like, hey, we keep buying these golfers and their contracts for, like,

00:53:04.720 $100 million.

00:53:05.460 What if we just buy the whole thing?

00:53:08.020 Yeah, what if?

00:53:08.860 Let's just buy the whole thing.

00:53:09.740 What are we doing?

00:53:10.300 Why are we screwing around with this new- our own league?

00:53:12.420 Let's just buy that thing.

00:53:14.460 And they're calling it a merger, I think, from PR- from a PR perspective.

00:53:18.840 Like, I think what's happened here is they lined the pockets of everybody who works there

00:53:24.340 with so much money, they couldn't say no to it.

00:53:27.240 Billions of dollars in play.

00:53:28.700 Incredible.

00:53:28.760 Really incredible.

00:53:29.360 And it's interesting, too, because the PGA had just rearranged everything to try to be

00:53:36.440 on par with Liv's arrangement with their players.

00:53:40.620 For instance, one of the problems with, you know, for people like Phil Mickelson and Brooks

00:53:45.980 Koepka is that, hey, if we don't make the cut, we actually lose money because we paid for

00:53:50.980 our own way here.

00:53:52.500 We don't get any money from the tournament.

00:53:55.220 And so we've wasted all this time and effort and money coming to this tournament.

00:54:00.400 And then I get nothing to show for it.

00:54:02.300 Well, when they show up for the Liv tournament, they get paid.

00:54:05.580 They get a certain amount of money guaranteed.

00:54:07.540 And so the PGA started offering lots more money.

00:54:12.260 They started doing these different things so that some of these guys could make, you know,

00:54:16.520 not just three or four million dollars for winning a tournament, but 18 or 20 million

00:54:20.960 dollars for for winning a tournament.

00:54:22.980 And of course, they had this money the whole time.

00:54:24.700 Yeah.

00:54:25.000 You know, yeah.

00:54:26.180 So it was kind of disgraceful.

00:54:27.720 They weren't doing it anyway.

00:54:28.580 But, you know, they're a business.

00:54:29.920 Yeah.

00:54:30.080 But they've done all these things.

00:54:31.900 They're technically some weird like nonprofit, too.

00:54:34.740 Yeah, that's one of those things.

00:54:35.780 So I don't know how that works.

00:54:36.720 One of the goals here for the PGA was to turn themselves into a for-profit enterprise,

00:54:40.200 which, of course, you know, everyone likes to do that.

00:54:43.560 But I mean, you know, I have a friend who was sort of on the fringes of professional

00:54:47.300 tennis years ago.

00:54:48.780 And he was describing to me his life.

00:54:52.560 And man, it sounded like it sucked.

00:54:54.820 Really.

00:54:55.320 I mean, like you play obviously constantly to get better.

00:54:59.100 He was, you know, I don't know, one of the top probably thousand tennis players in the

00:55:02.960 world, right?

00:55:03.720 Like to the point where he would be on the fringes of getting into these major tournaments

00:55:06.820 and he would get some points on the tour.

00:55:09.080 But he was not a, you know, a guy who was winning big turning and wasn't winning the

00:55:13.460 U.S. Open.

00:55:13.920 He wasn't, you know, doing anything like that.

00:55:15.580 He would get into smaller tournaments.

00:55:17.560 He would be in, you know, sometime he'd be in secondary tournaments that a lot of the

00:55:20.760 big players weren't at.

00:55:22.180 You know, maybe he wouldn't even qualify for some of them.

00:55:24.740 But he was saying that basically what happens is like you're paying for your own travel.

00:55:28.160 You're living three and four people in a hotel room.

00:55:32.560 You're, you know, you're getting sponsorships.

00:55:35.720 But the sponsorships are paying for rackets and shoes and shorts and shirts.

00:55:41.780 And he's like, I've got more of that than I'll ever need.

00:55:44.560 Like I've got more shoes than I can ever use in my entire life.

00:55:48.080 But it was costing me money.

00:55:50.020 And then I'd get a good run in one of these tournaments and I'd make enough money to

00:55:52.960 pay for the next two or three tournaments.

00:55:54.660 That was it.

00:55:55.360 So he's constantly living on the edge.

00:55:58.420 And then you get injured and you get zero dollars until you're healthy.

00:56:02.220 Yeah.

00:56:02.740 And this is a really difficult life.

00:56:04.220 And, you know, it's a little different, obviously, with golf.

00:56:06.320 Unless you're a big star.

00:56:07.120 Right.

00:56:07.340 But if you're a big star, it can be really, really.

00:56:09.280 But, you know, a big star in golf or tennis, you're talking about what?

00:56:13.080 The top hundred?

00:56:15.240 Fifty?

00:56:16.000 Mm-hmm.

00:56:16.520 There are not a lot of jobs there, Pat.

00:56:19.100 Right.

00:56:19.300 You know, so, and you have a bad year, you're gone.

00:56:23.500 So, you know, you can understand why these guys wanted, PJ's making money no matter who

00:56:28.520 wins.

00:56:29.520 Right.

00:56:29.700 And so, hey, like guarantee these guys something so they can continue to make this worthwhile.

00:56:34.260 And I think live golf really improved things for those golfers.

00:56:39.300 And maybe the PGA said, look, we can't continue to keep paying these amounts.

00:56:43.340 We've got to embrace these guys.

00:56:44.660 But when your commissioner has come out and said, hey, you know, you can't disgrace the

00:56:50.540 9-11 families by going to play a couple tournaments with live golf.

00:56:53.480 And then, by the way, we're going to merge with them.

00:56:55.280 Like, how do you make that work?

00:56:57.340 I don't know.

00:56:58.060 And so quickly, too.

00:56:59.380 Because he was just saying that to Jim Nance, like, less than a year ago.

00:57:05.260 Yeah, it wasn't that long.

00:57:06.720 And so, for all of a sudden, the PGA, and they, from what I've heard, and they've kept

00:57:13.080 this really quiet.

00:57:15.800 They, I mean, they were really secretive about this.

00:57:18.040 And it's hard to keep a lid on something like this when you're negotiating with the

00:57:21.720 enemy like this.

00:57:22.520 And then, and your PGA players are out there bashing those players who have left the PGA

00:57:28.340 for live, you know, people like Rory McIlroy, who has been really vocal until recently when

00:57:36.460 he said, when he decided, yeah, I'm not going to talk about it anymore.

00:57:39.620 I wonder if this is the reason.

00:57:41.180 Yeah.

00:57:41.320 I mean, he was supposedly offered nine figures from, from live golf, didn't take it, and

00:57:47.240 then came to be the lead spokesperson, basically, to say how bad live golf was and how everyone

00:57:51.660 should stay with the PGA because it's the only thing that matters.

00:57:53.780 Yep.

00:57:53.940 And, you know, that's really rough.

00:57:58.240 This is from ESPN personality, Mina Kynes.

00:58:04.040 She says, put yourself in the shoes of a PGA golfer who turned down the live money.

00:58:07.900 Over the last year plus, you've believed you were taking a principled stand.

00:58:11.540 You've watched your peers accept, in some cases, hundreds of millions of dollars to link

00:58:15.280 arms with a regime with a terrible human rights record.

00:58:18.200 You may have spoken out against that record, and you've been told yours is a player-run

00:58:21.860 organization.

00:58:22.900 Today, you wake up and you realize that was all a lie.

00:58:25.640 And it's true.

00:58:26.260 Wonderful.

00:58:26.740 That's, although I will say, if you're working at ESPN, do you have that same thought?

00:58:34.260 Right?

00:58:34.660 Yeah.

00:58:34.840 Like, I, I, I, I, the same, you are owned by a company who's doing business with the worst

00:58:41.700 regimes on earth, and there's not a second thought, like, they don't deserve, they don't

00:58:47.260 get any of that criticism.

00:58:48.160 Look, I, I think you can just say, blanket, look, I don't make decisions for foreign governments,

00:58:53.000 and I'm going to go do the things that I do.

00:58:55.660 And if I draw some lines personally, I'll draw some lines personally.

00:58:58.220 But if you're going to make a big stance as an organization to say, hey, this other

00:59:02.720 golf league is essentially responsible for 9-11, I don't know, maybe you don't merge with

00:59:07.780 them a couple weeks later.

00:59:09.560 Exactly.

00:59:10.600 It's not a lot to ask, is it?

00:59:12.480 I don't think so.

00:59:13.300 And it's interesting, because Rory McIlroy is, just a few moments ago, was talking about

00:59:19.240 still having confidence in PGA Commissioner Jay Monaghan.

00:59:23.720 How is that possible?

00:59:24.900 I don't know.

00:59:25.500 And that, okay, we can't just welcome back the live golfers who defected.

00:59:30.680 What do you mean?

00:59:31.340 What?

00:59:31.760 Of course you can't.

00:59:32.320 How can you not?

00:59:33.600 They're your sister organization.

00:59:35.140 Right.

00:59:35.680 So there's two interesting questions here, Pat.

00:59:38.360 Do they compensate people like Rory McIlroy?

00:59:41.220 As part of this deal, does he get some cash for turning that money down?

00:59:45.120 Yeah.

00:59:45.280 I don't know.

00:59:45.760 Probably not.

00:59:46.760 But they should.

00:59:47.800 He should.

00:59:48.400 And the other part is, now, the way those live contracts were structured, it wasn't like

00:59:53.160 they got a check for $300 million.

00:59:55.040 They were getting paid for these events.

00:59:57.600 If, as part of this deal, they cancel the live tour, which is, I think, possible, because

01:00:03.300 it wasn't catching on at all, and now they have the PGA.

01:00:05.680 Why do they want to keep this stupid side thing going?

01:00:07.920 If they were to cancel this, do people like Brooks Koepka lose out on 80% of the money

01:00:12.780 they were promised?

01:00:14.120 That would be a whole other controversy.

01:00:15.940 Man.

01:00:16.920 They've really screwed this up.

01:00:18.520 Seems like a mess to me.

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01:01:15.600 Yeah, so yesterday was a really good day, and he tweeted about it for Phil Mickelson,

01:01:32.320 who was the first, I think, right?

01:01:33.740 Wasn't he the first major player to make the switch from PGA to the Saudi Tour?

01:01:39.600 He was the big first catch.

01:01:40.260 I mean, Greg Norman was a big part of forming this former player, but yeah, Mickelson was

01:01:44.780 a big, big catch for them.

01:01:47.100 So there was a CTF PGA apology that went like this.

01:01:53.980 I'm going to ask about this.

01:01:54.720 There was a story that was first reported in the New York Post yesterday by Brian Wacker

01:01:59.300 about a 9-11 coalition of families and survivors of the 2001 terrorist attacks.

01:02:04.760 9-11 families, United, sent a letter to the representatives of Phil, Dustin, Bryson, Reed,

01:02:13.100 and others, quote, expressing their outrage towards the golfers for participating in the

01:02:19.500 new league and accusing them of sports washing and betraying the United States, end quote.

01:02:25.800 And that's gotten a lot of steam over the last 24 hours.

01:02:28.320 That story first reported again in the New York Post.

01:02:30.660 How much did you talk to your players about the possible ramifications if they signed

01:02:36.040 on with the new league?

01:02:38.340 Well, I talked to players.

01:02:40.680 I've talked at a player meeting, and I've talked to a number of players individually for

01:02:47.000 a long period of time.

01:02:49.260 And I think you'd have to be living under a rock to not know that there are significant

01:02:54.100 implications.

01:02:54.800 And as it relates to the families of 9-11, I have two families that are close to me that

01:03:01.860 lost loved ones.

01:03:03.200 And so my heart goes out to them.

01:03:06.140 Yeah.

01:03:06.440 And I would ask, you know, any player that has left or any player that would ever consider

01:03:12.400 leaving, have you ever had to apologize for being a member of the PGA Tour?

01:03:18.120 Or, well, now I do.

01:03:21.440 Yeah, I guess.

01:03:22.920 God, it's so bad.

01:03:24.020 It's so bad.

01:03:25.260 You know, people always criticize, you know, like Roger Goodell, for example, like for being

01:03:31.400 the commissioner of the NFL.

01:03:33.260 And they look at what he said and look what he said this other time.

01:03:36.400 And this is just part of this gig.

01:03:38.560 Like, you're just going to have to just say, yeah, I said the exact opposite thing.

01:03:42.360 And just walk just a few weeks ago.

01:03:44.420 Yep.

01:03:44.600 Just push right through it.

01:03:45.520 I think his response when someone asked him about that particular clip, he was like,

01:03:50.200 well, look, you know, I said what I said.

01:03:53.020 And, you know, we're going to have to talk about that.

01:03:54.840 And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:03:56.780 You just got to push through it.

01:03:58.580 It's like you're like in succession.

01:04:00.960 You just say what you need to say at that given moment.

01:04:04.900 And you don't worry about the typical human need to not be completely hypocritical.

01:04:10.420 You just don't even worry about it.

01:04:11.600 You just push through it.

01:04:12.500 You can't.

01:04:12.800 There's no explanation for it from the PGA.

01:04:14.900 What are you going to say?

01:04:17.140 What are you going to say?

01:04:17.740 They threw so much money at us, we stopped caring about Jamal Khashoggi and 9-11.

01:04:21.540 That's what you could say.

01:04:22.480 That's basically what you could say.

01:04:23.320 It's the only thing that would actually be true.

01:04:25.660 We never really cared about Jamal Khashoggi and 9-11.

01:04:29.480 Right.

01:04:29.900 What we cared about was losing these golfers because it hurt our business.

01:04:33.040 So we said the thing then that we needed to say then that would help us then.

01:04:37.960 But this is now.

01:04:39.000 And now we're saying the thing that is going to help us now.

01:04:41.100 So they gave us a bunch of money and now we're going to say we love the Saudis.

01:04:44.820 And in fact, the king is the greatest human being of all time.

01:04:49.440 He is helping.

01:04:50.660 He is the only guy who he tried to jump in front of the planes on 9-11.

01:04:55.140 He tried to nurse Jamal Khashoggi back to health.

01:04:59.980 We love him.

01:05:00.900 We love him.

01:05:01.480 We love him.

01:05:01.900 I mean, that's basically what's going on here.

01:05:04.260 And, you know, I guess this is why you get paid millions and millions and millions of dollars.

01:05:08.800 To just walk through those typical human instincts to not do things like that.

01:05:15.460 Right?

01:05:16.300 That's why the money's there, I guess.

01:05:18.320 I guess so.

01:05:18.960 I guess so.

01:05:19.680 I guess so.

01:05:20.500 Fascinating to watch.

01:05:21.600 Oh, my gosh.

01:05:23.000 It's absolutely astounding.

01:05:24.800 It's really astounding.

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01:07:46.600 When we started talking about the Great Rainbow Panic, you know, there's this idea that there's this moral panic going on right now on the right.

01:07:57.320 All of a sudden, we're just all worried about, you know, we never cared about drag queens jiggling their genitals in front of children before.

01:08:04.480 Now, all of a sudden, here's this moral panic.

01:08:07.260 I do believe these people on the right.

01:08:08.480 We never did care about drag queens before.

01:08:11.820 No.

01:08:12.140 That much is true.

01:08:13.280 Isn't that something that never gets addressed?

01:08:15.360 Right.

01:08:15.740 Always.

01:08:15.840 Why didn't we care all of the previous years?

01:08:18.100 Ignored.

01:08:18.240 Yeah, because we didn't care.

01:08:20.800 Go ahead and do what it is you do in the comfort and privacy of your own adult situation.

01:08:26.620 But when you drag kids into it, okay, yeah, now we care.

01:08:30.200 Yeah.

01:08:30.480 Now it's a problem.

01:08:31.640 When you're trying to introduce books that show cartoons of pornography for children, yeah, like we care about that.

01:08:39.340 We've always cared about that.

01:08:40.680 What we didn't care about is you doing a drag show at a nightclub.

01:08:43.320 Didn't care.

01:08:43.840 Have you ever heard a bunch of 30-year-olds whooping it up over a guy who's dressed like a girl?

01:08:50.240 Yeah.

01:08:50.560 I don't care.

01:08:51.340 No one cares.

01:08:51.900 Now, there is an additional layer to that, I think, which is just we're sick of the pandering.

01:08:56.900 Yeah.

01:08:57.260 You know, the Bud Light one falls into that category.

01:08:59.560 You know, like Dylan Mulvaney being on a can of Bud Light isn't exactly the same story.

01:09:04.600 It's a different story.

01:09:05.640 It's the pandering that's just annoying.

01:09:07.240 You know, like the whole Pride Month thing where everyone has to put out, you know, two guys, like someone, I think it was Pottery Barn today has some, like, thing where they're like, hey, like, here's two guys and their kid and there's their new nursery.

01:09:21.740 And, like, they're, and it's just like, they just, every company feels the need to pander to alternative lifestyles.

01:09:30.520 And that's irritating.

01:09:31.420 And that's just, like, pathetic.

01:09:33.260 Like, it's just like, it's the same, it's the type of stuff that we used to make fun of companies for, right?

01:09:37.540 Like, when they would just be like, hey, we swear, we're Bud Light.

01:09:40.920 We've been talking to you about frat parties for the past 50 years, but we swear we really care about your transgendered issue.

01:09:46.840 Like, no one believes them.

01:09:48.020 And showing buxom babes in bikinis the whole time.

01:09:51.000 The whole time.

01:09:51.640 When nobody necessarily asked for it.

01:09:54.620 Right.

01:09:54.760 But you just show it to us every day.

01:09:57.060 And now, all of a sudden, that's terrible.

01:09:59.400 Right.

01:09:59.740 I mean, we're, we're not like that.

01:10:01.960 Yeah, and that is just, like, an irritating cultural, like, pandering thing that is annoying to people.

01:10:08.020 But stuff like, you know, having drag shows for children, that's not the same story.

01:10:15.020 That's like, we've crossed many lines there.

01:10:17.260 Our own Sarah Gonzalez just did yet another expose.

01:10:21.400 Here, again, in Texas, of a family-friendly pride event where you're walking around and it's just like, there are, you know, sex toys and, you know, shirts with, like, you know, all sorts of disgusting sexual phrases and pictures on them.

01:10:38.640 There's drawings and illustrations.

01:10:41.460 There's people walking around half naked and it's supposedly all ages, you know.

01:10:47.140 Jeez.

01:10:47.520 And she's done more to expose that than pretty much anybody.

01:10:50.640 But, like, the media won't do that.

01:10:53.060 They won't even, they don't, they don't care.

01:10:54.380 They think it's psychotic to care about it.

01:10:56.160 But, like, in reality, who's in the middle of a moral panic?

01:10:59.620 Is it us?

01:11:00.140 I think we have a pretty justified reason to say, hey, certain parts of this culture we need to push back against before we cross many, many lines that the vast majority of people are uncomfortable with.

01:11:12.180 It's not just conservatives who don't want sex toys in front of children.

01:11:16.680 That's kind of like everybody.

01:11:18.700 It's like 80, 90 percent at least of people who feel that way.

01:11:22.560 But while that's going on, you have places like the Human Rights Coalition, which is a terrible group.

01:11:29.380 It's not fighting for human rights at all.

01:11:31.220 It's just a liberal propaganda group.

01:11:33.200 But they're coming out and they are participating in a travel ban for LGBTQ Americans to not go, or not travel ban, I guess a travel warning to don't go to Florida.

01:11:46.820 Don't travel to Florida.

01:11:47.820 Don't move to Florida because they're passing all these really nasty laws that are going to, they are trying to eliminate you.

01:11:53.760 I hear people talk about this all the time.

01:11:55.540 Erasure.

01:11:56.760 They want to erase trans people.

01:11:58.860 They want them to not exist.

01:11:59.860 I don't know anyone who thinks that.

01:12:01.920 I don't want to erase anybody.

01:12:04.020 We want to be honest about it.

01:12:05.860 We want to be honest that, you know, they're not actually men when they say they're men or they're not actually women when they say they're women.

01:12:11.800 And we want to be honest about the actual truth.

01:12:15.100 But I'm not trying to erase them.

01:12:16.780 People are dealing with something serious there and they might need some help dealing with it.

01:12:21.220 And they should try to get that help.

01:12:23.980 You know, I mean, that's, they always say we need gender affirming care.

01:12:27.400 I kind of agree with that.

01:12:28.560 I just don't think we agree on what gender affirming care is.

01:12:31.580 Affirming your gender is when you're a woman telling you you're a woman.

01:12:34.780 That's affirming your gender.

01:12:36.100 Not the opposite.

01:12:37.280 Yeah.

01:12:37.920 Not when you're born with male genitals and you're telling them that they're a girl.

01:12:42.340 That's not affirming the gender.

01:12:43.720 That's telling them the opposite of what their gender is.

01:12:46.080 And these are the things that the right has been upset about.

01:12:49.760 Exactly.

01:12:50.340 Especially when it comes to kids.

01:12:51.460 Because the radical agenda of the left and of the trans and gay movement is doing just that.

01:12:59.460 They're trying to redefine genders.

01:13:01.780 They're trying to redefine truth.

01:13:03.440 They're trying to redefine our civilization.

01:13:06.660 I mean, they've changed our language.

01:13:08.200 They've made pronouns a big deal now, all of a sudden.

01:13:13.860 They've attacked women in sports.

01:13:16.380 They've ignored women's and girls' rights in bathrooms and locker rooms.

01:13:22.480 And these are the things that we're worried about.

01:13:24.560 I don't care about a drag show for adults.

01:13:29.440 If that's what you want to do, go ahead.

01:13:32.000 And I don't care if you want to identify as a woman.

01:13:34.780 But don't make me identify you as a woman when you're a man.

01:13:38.480 And don't try to go into a woman's restroom as a man pretending to be a woman.

01:13:44.980 These are basic.

01:13:46.660 Just basic.

01:13:47.240 Basic things.

01:13:48.020 And, you know, I think it's important to note that it's not really that the left cares about any of these issues per se.

01:13:54.420 What they care about is upending our entire civilization.

01:13:57.980 And this is how you do it.

01:13:59.020 When you overturn things like men are men and women are women, and you're able to convince people that there basically is no truth, there is no standard, there is no norm.

01:14:09.100 When you get rid of all of those things, your society basically collapses.

01:14:12.520 And that's, of course, the actual goal of the left.

01:14:15.360 They want this, the idea of America to go away.

01:14:19.600 And after calling us the ones who are science deniers, and here they are literally, literally denying science and biology and reality.

01:14:29.300 But we're the ones.

01:14:31.380 Yeah, we're the ones.

01:14:32.420 So the HRC, the Human Rights Coalition, has issued a national state of emergency for LGBTQ plus people.

01:14:41.700 Now, I don't know why they didn't add the extra Q, the I, the A, or the two.

01:14:44.780 I don't know why.

01:14:45.560 They don't like those groups.

01:14:46.960 Insensitive.

01:14:47.640 Insensitive.

01:14:48.220 Not inclusive.

01:14:49.200 Not inclusive.

01:14:49.940 And what about that second Q?

01:14:51.700 It doesn't get mentioned nearly enough.

01:14:53.160 Yeah.

01:14:53.500 So have you left out queers, or have you left out the questioning?

01:14:57.340 I don't know.

01:14:58.380 But one of the two has been eliminated from your group.

01:15:02.120 Here's what their statement said.

01:15:03.420 This is amazing, Pat.

01:15:04.440 We have officially declared a state of emergency for LGBTQ plus people in the United States for the first time following an unprecedented and dangerous spike in anti-LGBTQ plus legislative assaults sweeping state houses this year.

01:15:21.940 More than 75 anti-LGBTQ bills have been signed into law this year alone, more than doubling last year's number.

01:15:30.360 Which, by the way, isn't what they are.

01:15:31.860 No, of course not.

01:15:32.780 They're totally fraudulent.

01:15:34.480 And in fact, they actually list what they are.

01:15:36.600 And, you know, they say our community is in danger, blah, blah, blah.

01:15:39.820 So there's a national state of warning.

01:15:41.240 By the way, some of the things that we're talking about here are like the bathroom laws.

01:15:44.600 If women can go into men's bathroom or vice versa, that's an anti-LGBTQ law.

01:15:51.100 They have the pronoun refusal law, the anti-drag ban, which, again, there is no state.

01:16:00.000 It's for children.

01:16:00.800 For children.

01:16:02.240 There's an...

01:16:02.580 Which they conveniently leave that part out.

01:16:05.200 The gender affirming care ban.

01:16:07.680 Again, that's not what that is.

01:16:09.340 It's mutilating children again.

01:16:11.020 I like this one.

01:16:11.740 The sports participation ban.

01:16:13.340 Yeah, we just...

01:16:14.180 Yeah, Nicky, you can't play any sport.

01:16:15.980 They just banned all sports in these states, Pat.

01:16:19.340 Wow, that doesn't seem right.

01:16:19.760 Which is a problem for straight people, you'd think, too, but apparently not.

01:16:22.800 No.

01:16:23.620 But I was thinking about this.

01:16:25.880 It's like, have we lived...

01:16:27.080 I mean, don't we live in a country where things are pretty good for LGBTQIA2 plus people?

01:16:34.720 Like, I...

01:16:35.520 Yes.

01:16:35.740 Isn't it pretty good?

01:16:36.960 It's better than pretty good.

01:16:38.140 Like, because when you say it's bad, you have to answer a follow-up question.

01:16:42.200 And that question is, as opposed to what?

01:16:46.520 Yeah.

01:16:46.820 As opposed to San Francisco?

01:16:50.560 As opposed to some utopia you think you've built that is apparently covered in the streets

01:16:56.540 in human excrement all the time, but you think it's great?

01:16:59.300 Like, what is...

01:17:00.240 As opposed to what?

01:17:01.080 What country are you comparing this to?

01:17:03.200 So, there's a new poll out.

01:17:04.980 This is from Gallup, and they surveyed people in 146 countries and asked them, hey, is your

01:17:15.340 environment a good welcoming place for, I think they say gay or lesbian people, so only

01:17:21.920 the L or the G, I guess.

01:17:25.040 Wow, that's so non-inclusive.

01:17:27.260 Non-inclusive, but it's an old poll.

01:17:28.840 They've been asking it for a very long time, which is an important part of this.

01:17:31.780 Uh-huh.

01:17:32.340 So, they asked the people about that, and they came up with some pretty interesting

01:17:37.540 results.

01:17:39.100 Globally, 50% of people say their area is a good area for LGBTQQIA2 plus people to live.

01:17:48.140 Mm-hmm.

01:17:48.340 Okay?

01:17:49.480 50%.

01:17:49.960 What's the number in the U.S.?

01:17:52.100 Now, remember, there's a national state of emergency for LGBTQ people.

01:17:57.060 So, you'd think it would be lower than the global average, certainly.

01:18:00.340 Maybe it's at 0%.

01:18:02.420 Maybe that's a good time for an emergency.

01:18:04.480 But no, no.

01:18:05.380 That number is 80%.

01:18:07.320 80% of people say this is a good place for people with alternative lifestyles to live.

01:18:15.080 It's a good place.

01:18:17.980 Now, that number is higher than tons and tons of countries.

01:18:21.100 I believe we're 15th overall in the world.

01:18:24.640 15th highest in the world.

01:18:26.600 There are a couple of companies.

01:18:28.380 Norway's at 92%.

01:18:29.680 They're number one.

01:18:31.020 Sweden is number two at 91%.

01:18:33.160 The Netherlands at 90%.

01:18:35.000 And Iceland at 88%.

01:18:36.800 We are tied with Belgium.

01:18:38.860 Now, does Belgium have a national state of emergency for LGBTQ acceptance?

01:18:43.060 I'm guessing no.

01:18:43.880 I'm not positive on that, but my guess would be no.

01:18:46.640 My guess is no as well.

01:18:48.000 And we're right next to Denmark and a bunch of these supposedly enlightened European countries.

01:18:52.980 By the way, the lowest on there, you want to talk about emergencies, there are some countries you might actually state are emergencies.

01:19:03.660 Because we are basically tied with Belgium, Finland, Denmark, New Zealand.

01:19:07.380 I mean, these are countries that the left holds up as beacons of hope for their values.

01:19:14.660 Malawi, maybe not quite as good.

01:19:16.820 3% say it's a good place for gay people to live.

01:19:19.980 Senegal, 3%.

01:19:21.640 Armenia, 4%.

01:19:22.920 Kazakhstan, 4%.

01:19:25.640 It goes all the way up.

01:19:27.760 There's about, I don't know, 10 or 15 countries under 10%.

01:19:31.020 Isn't it illegal in Russia?

01:19:33.080 Didn't they?

01:19:33.960 Yeah, Russia's not even on the bottom list.

01:19:35.920 Wow.

01:19:36.880 Russia apparently is higher and it's actually illegal to do.

01:19:39.980 The point is that we agree, and it's fundamentally part of our country and its foundation, that we believe that people who have different, make different lifestyle choices, who have different sexual orientations, who do all sorts of different things, get equal rights.

01:19:59.720 We all, that is part of the foundation of our country, and it's true and it's happening.

01:20:05.920 It is, it wasn't always true.

01:20:07.700 We've had certainly dark periods when it comes to that, but it's true now.

01:20:13.080 You can, equal rights are what we're talking about.

01:20:15.720 Um, and, and this is a place that generally speaking, people don't care what you do.

01:20:20.920 We don't care.

01:20:21.920 If you're going out and going to a nightclub and having a drag show, nobody cares.

01:20:26.840 There are restaurants in New York City that like, you can go and dine at the restaurant and in part, and all the waiters are in drag.

01:20:32.780 And people think that's entertaining.

01:20:34.600 Okay.

01:20:35.620 Fine.

01:20:36.080 Fine.

01:20:36.520 Okay.

01:20:37.020 Good luck with that.

01:20:37.700 If you're, if you're doing a sexually themed drag show with, with, with pornographic images, with sex toys, and you're inviting children to it, that's a problem.

01:20:48.780 That's a problem.

01:20:49.680 It's not a problem for conservatives.

01:20:51.080 It's a problem.

01:20:51.820 Should be for everybody.

01:20:53.200 I think it should be the rest of us declaring a state of emergency right now.

01:20:57.500 It's just the rest of society.

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01:23:54.360 You know, here we are in Pride Month, and the Discovery Channel is about to do a show about Abe Lincoln.

01:24:21.260 And that he was, in fact, gay.

01:24:26.340 Abe Lincoln was.

01:24:27.000 Abe Lincoln, yeah.

01:24:28.580 Mm-hmm.

01:24:29.240 Yeah.

01:24:29.860 The Discovery Channel.

01:24:30.780 Mm-hmm.

01:24:31.700 Mm-hmm.

01:24:33.400 Are you saying you're not gonna, you're not excited about that show?

01:24:38.200 I mean, the hat was pretty gay, Pat.

01:24:41.460 Right?

01:24:42.100 It's a gay hat.

01:24:43.560 Now, they claim that the only reason he married Mary was because she was a beard.

01:24:51.020 Yeah, I've heard this before.

01:24:52.160 I mean, this has been floating around for a while.

01:24:54.080 I don't think serious historians believe it, though, right?

01:24:56.680 No, I don't.

01:24:57.480 I don't think so.

01:24:59.500 I'm not sure who they got to make the claim here.

01:25:03.160 1619 Project people?

01:25:04.360 Maybe.

01:25:04.660 You gonna get them over there to help out with that one?

01:25:06.280 Uh-huh.

01:25:06.720 One of the reasons that it's alleged is because, I guess, you know, in the 1800s, men sometimes

01:25:14.860 slept with men, but they actually slept.

01:25:17.860 Yeah.

01:25:18.260 But it was for warmth.

01:25:19.260 Mm-hmm.

01:25:19.660 Because you don't have necessarily indoor heating.

01:25:23.180 And it was cold.

01:25:23.520 That's a change a little bit on that one, yeah.

01:25:24.580 It was cold, yeah.

01:25:25.920 And so you would sleep together and keep warm, I guess, that way.

01:25:32.200 You know, snuggle time is the best time, Pat.

01:25:34.580 That's what I always say.

01:25:37.280 But according to Professor Scott Thompson from the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy

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01:25:43.680 Okay.

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01:25:46.200 Make no mistake, Abe Lincoln was gay.

01:25:49.980 Yeah, I'm gonna say no.

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01:28:06.940 We mentioned before the break that Discovery's doing a whole thing on Abe Lincoln,

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01:28:19.120 Actually, we have some clips I think you're gonna enjoy.

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01:29:36.880 So how's your Pride Month going so far?

01:29:41.240 Ah, super.

01:29:42.900 Having a great time?

01:29:43.940 Prideful.

01:29:44.560 Yeah.

01:29:44.880 Yeah.

01:29:45.920 It's awesome.

01:29:47.280 We mentioned that their discovery, I guess, in celebration of Pride Month is doing a thing

01:29:52.920 on Abe Lincoln supposedly being gay.

01:29:56.080 But also, Elliot Page is being compared to Jussie Smollett over an alleged transphobic attack.

01:30:04.400 I mean, it does sound a bit fishy here.

01:30:07.620 Okay.

01:30:08.320 Why does it sound fishy?

01:30:09.400 We all know that all transgendered people are attacked daily.

01:30:13.300 Daily.

01:30:13.820 Mm-hmm.

01:30:14.320 Every single day by haters.

01:30:16.300 Yeah.

01:30:17.100 Transphobes.

01:30:18.620 Disproportionately victims of horrible crimes.

01:30:21.240 And, you know, you can look at some of the numbers.

01:30:22.820 We've mentioned this, I think, maybe earlier this week.

01:30:24.460 But for those who missed it, you know, you can look at some of the numbers and see higher

01:30:28.940 rates of murder for transgendered people.

01:30:31.180 Now, of course, part of that is they're a very small percentage of the population.

01:30:34.560 Mm-hmm.

01:30:34.720 Very small.

01:30:35.280 So a few murders, you know, makes that average rate go up quite a bit.

01:30:39.700 But I was talking to somebody the other day who's writing a book, Chad Felix Green is writing

01:30:43.840 a book about this.

01:30:44.500 And he went back and looked at every murder, every murder of a transgendered person over

01:30:52.120 the past, I think it was like 30 or 40 years.

01:30:55.440 And he, what he wound up finding is that in the overwhelming majority of the cases, the

01:31:03.660 situation related to the murder of the transgender person was not the one the media would promote.

01:31:10.760 For example, they would say, okay, it's a bunch of Charlottesville type people.

01:31:14.500 With their torches, and they're chasing down trans people in the streets and beating them

01:31:19.320 up and killing them just because they're transgendered.

01:31:21.920 That's what you're led to believe.

01:31:23.040 That's what you're led to believe.

01:31:24.240 The actual circumstance in almost all of these cases is related to often a sexually, a sexual

01:31:33.500 encounter.

01:31:34.560 Encounter.

01:31:35.060 Often for money, prostitution, sex, sex industry, where a person represents themselves as one

01:31:47.500 gender.

01:31:48.120 And when the sexual activity begins, the person who's with them discovers they're the other

01:31:53.280 gender.

01:31:53.960 So they go in there thinking they're hooking up with a girl and wind up they're hooking up

01:31:57.440 with a boy.

01:31:57.780 That's basically where the overwhelming majority of these cases come from.

01:32:02.140 Often in incidents involving prostitution.

01:32:05.840 So you have a John who's paid for a woman to come to his home or meet in a hotel room.

01:32:11.540 And that, you know, as the process goes on, the person finds out it's not a woman at all.

01:32:18.200 It's actually a man dressed as a woman.

01:32:19.920 Yeah.

01:32:20.100 And that is a little disturbing for some people.

01:32:22.060 There was a movie about that.

01:32:24.520 Was it called Crying Game?

01:32:27.260 It was the Crying Game.

01:32:28.300 Yeah.

01:32:28.720 Yeah.

01:32:29.240 I can't remember exactly.

01:32:30.100 Maybe in the 90s.

01:32:31.220 Yeah.

01:32:31.540 I think.

01:32:32.120 Yeah.

01:32:32.620 And somebody was really surprised.

01:32:34.760 It was a really famous scene and I didn't see the movie, but I heard much about it.

01:32:39.480 And apparently the person was quite surprised and didn't take it very well.

01:32:43.820 I don't think most people would.

01:32:45.000 I think most people wouldn't.

01:32:45.780 Now, I will say this.

01:32:46.760 If they're expecting a girl and it's a guy.

01:32:49.240 Yeah.

01:32:49.620 Yeah.

01:32:49.940 When you get to a certain area and you find that out, it can be a little jarring.

01:32:54.360 A little disconcerting.

01:32:55.280 I will say, if this has happened to you, the appropriate response is not to kill the person.

01:32:59.360 Right.

01:32:59.840 Right.

01:32:59.980 Thank you.

01:33:00.760 We can be all quite clear on that.

01:33:03.580 You might have many responses, but killing the person is not a good idea.

01:33:07.240 No.

01:33:08.120 However, that is totally different than what we've been told about this problem.

01:33:12.440 Yeah.

01:33:13.060 So, the violence against trans people, make sure you understand the context of what they're

01:33:17.300 talking about when they say these statistics overcrowded.

01:33:19.680 Sorry to interrupt, Pat.

01:33:20.840 No, but that's, it's good context.

01:33:23.940 In this particular case, apparently, Elliot Page, who used to be Ellen.

01:33:29.720 I don't want to dead name Elliot, but that used to be, that was the name that she was

01:33:36.480 born with, she is now a he.

01:33:38.120 That is her name until she changed her name legally, which you can do.

01:33:41.360 To Elliot.

01:33:42.060 Yeah.

01:33:42.320 When you're, you know, people are like, oh, I'm not going to call, you know, her a him.

01:33:48.960 And I think that's totally fair.

01:33:50.760 Like, that is, you are judging a factual truth.

01:33:53.260 I will say, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is his name.

01:33:57.040 Right?

01:33:57.300 Right.

01:33:57.800 It's not Luwacinder anymore.

01:33:58.980 He changed it legally.

01:34:00.260 It's okay to call him Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

01:34:02.160 I think it's like, look, he changed his name to Elliot Page, whatever.

01:34:07.040 I can, you know, you want to call him, you don't want to call him Bruce Jenner.

01:34:10.060 You want to call him Caitlyn Jenner.

01:34:11.060 I think that's fine.

01:34:11.780 Like, he changed his name.

01:34:13.600 That is different than saying that he is a woman, which he is not.

01:34:18.200 Right.

01:34:18.740 He is not.

01:34:19.200 Right.

01:34:19.420 Okay.

01:34:20.400 So Elliot claims that an A-list actor once said to her, I'm going to effing gay bash.

01:34:32.160 And then used the F-word referring to homosexuals.

01:34:38.100 And, you know, it sounds offensive, but it also sounds not real to me.

01:34:45.420 I mean, do, I don't know, maybe A-list actors talk like that?

01:34:50.260 Most normal human beings just don't.

01:34:53.540 Hard to believe.

01:34:54.020 Now, you want to tell me that some random person on the street, they're drunk, they blurt

01:34:59.180 out some terrible thing to a famous person.

01:35:02.000 I could buy it.

01:35:03.460 It would be.

01:35:04.940 Still, I don't think it happens very often, but it's possible, certainly some random person.

01:35:09.000 But you're talking about an A-list actor.

01:35:11.100 I don't know who they're saying this is.

01:35:12.680 Of course, they won't tell you who it is because then you could check on it.

01:35:15.320 Right.

01:35:15.940 But come on.

01:35:17.700 Really?

01:35:18.600 It seems unlikely.

01:35:19.680 Now, I will say, A-list actors are among the worst people in our society.

01:35:24.300 So, it's possible that it's true.

01:35:27.220 Yeah.

01:35:27.560 I mean, like, go back to the Me Too movement.

01:35:30.220 We got a lot of criticism on conservatives over the Me Too movement that we didn't understand.

01:35:35.080 I don't know.

01:35:35.380 They seem to all come from Hollywood.

01:35:36.920 I don't know.

01:35:37.260 Are there a lot of conservatives out there?

01:35:39.140 How conservative was Harvey Weinstein?

01:35:41.760 I don't remember.

01:35:43.740 I mean, it's just, you know, it's nonsensical that they always try to push this off on conservatives.

01:35:48.600 It is.

01:35:49.480 And it's amazing that Elliot Page just so happens to have a book coming out with this contained in it.

01:35:56.220 And so, now this is coming out all of a sudden with the book arrival.

01:36:02.360 Huh.

01:36:03.420 I wonder if that might have something to do with it.

01:36:05.660 So, anyway, people were a little skeptical of this on Twitter.

01:36:09.760 And one person tweeted out that, yeah, right after that, he yelled, this is MAGA country.

01:36:18.380 Comparing it, obviously, to Jussie Smollett.

01:36:20.940 Yes.

01:36:21.160 Which is a pretty good comparison, I think.

01:36:23.720 It does seem like a hoax.

01:36:26.080 It would be very, very surprising.

01:36:28.060 And, of course, you know, you can't fact check it.

01:36:30.560 You don't know because you don't know who the person is.

01:36:32.740 You can't ask every A-list Hollywood celebrity whether they did this.

01:36:37.660 And there's no evidence.

01:36:39.760 And it's just like this is what the media does all the time.

01:36:43.880 They want you to believe this is the case.

01:36:46.180 When in reality, you know, Ellen Page, Elliot Page walks down the street every day.

01:36:51.920 And probably most people honestly probably don't even know who she is.

01:36:56.160 Because, frankly, she was in a couple of really good movies.

01:36:59.500 I mean, Juno is a good movie.

01:37:01.620 It's a legitimately good movie.

01:37:03.000 And I swear this is the reason why all this happened.

01:37:05.380 This is my theory.

01:37:06.060 Now, let me get to the doctor.

01:37:07.520 Can we go to Dr. Stu Land here for just a second?

01:37:09.380 Sure.

01:37:09.640 Let's analyze the situation because I have a lot of medical information.

01:37:12.840 Because wasn't Juno fairly pro-life?

01:37:14.840 It's a pro-life movie.

01:37:16.740 They would never say that.

01:37:18.120 They did not want it to be a pro-life movie.

01:37:19.960 But Juno is a really well-written good movie and also is blatantly pro-life.

01:37:26.560 It makes you feel like you shouldn't kill the child inside of you.

01:37:31.860 That is the feeling you will get from this movie because, you know, and she goes, I mean, it's been a while since I've seen it.

01:37:38.580 But, like, at one point there's, like, an abortion protester who they don't portray as horrible.

01:37:44.180 They don't portray as hateful.

01:37:46.220 It's like a girl, a younger girl, a teenage girl who's protesting at the abortion clinic and runs into Ellen Page as she walks into the abortion clinic and says something like, do you know they have fingernails?

01:37:58.420 It's something like that.

01:38:00.760 I mean, it's a funny movie.

01:38:01.820 It's a comedy.

01:38:02.980 Yeah.

01:38:03.380 But, like, do you know they have fingernails?

01:38:04.680 She's like, what?

01:38:05.460 You know they have fingernails?

01:38:06.760 If you're going into a abortion, like, you're aborting something with fingernails.

01:38:09.540 It's something, it's some weird line like that.

01:38:11.120 That is kind of weird.

01:38:11.860 And it makes her consider, wait, what am I doing here?

01:38:15.180 And she winds up, of course, going through this process and having the child when she would not have before.

01:38:21.760 Yeah.

01:38:22.200 And it was because of the fingernail line.

01:38:24.220 I think it was fingernails.

01:38:25.780 Fingernails or eyelashes.

01:38:26.740 It was some weird, something like that that made her think about it differently.

01:38:29.860 And the movie, though, like, goes through and takes you through this journey of this teenager who thinks she shouldn't have this kid and winds up making a good decision.

01:38:38.520 I swear, the fact that all of us have said it's a pro-life movie all this time is the reason all of this has happened to Ellen Page.

01:38:46.120 Like, she was a liberal.

01:38:47.340 She didn't mean to make a pro-life movie.

01:38:49.140 And everyone's like, holy crap, this is a pro-life movie.

01:38:51.140 Good job, Ellen Page.

01:38:52.040 From all the people she didn't want to get good job from.

01:38:54.840 And the rest of her life has been compensating for this decision she made, which was actually a really good artistic decision and a really good moral decision.

01:39:04.100 But to her, apparently, did not play out that way.

01:39:07.300 That's the Dr. Stu analysis.

01:39:08.920 Another show where she was a she at the time.

01:39:13.180 He was a she at the time.

01:39:14.840 She still is, of course, a she.

01:39:16.180 Yeah, of course, still has the the same chromosomes that she was born with.

01:39:23.360 The central part of what makes you a man or a woman.

01:39:25.360 Also, she's had the surgery on top, but not on the bottom.

01:39:28.080 Oh, really?

01:39:28.500 I didn't even know that.

01:39:29.340 Yeah, physically still a woman.

01:39:31.420 But but she's in the Umbrella Academy.

01:39:36.780 Have you ever seen that Umbrella Academy?

01:39:39.420 I have not seen it.

01:39:40.460 It's actually I watched the first season.

01:39:42.380 I haven't seen the second or third.

01:39:43.520 And I think there's three seasons now, but it's a it's a pretty good series.

01:39:48.600 It's it's and started out as a woman and then transitioned.

01:39:54.880 And I think they wrote it into the second season becomes a man during the show.

01:40:00.640 So they had to that's a heck of a plot twist.

01:40:02.360 Yeah, it's quite a plot twist.

01:40:04.000 And I don't know if they planned on that.

01:40:05.880 I'm guessing when you're sketching out the series, you probably don't plan on the actor becoming a different gender.

01:40:13.080 But they so they had to they had to account for it.

01:40:17.040 That's a real one to account for.

01:40:18.360 In Succession, Shiv, one of the main characters, got pregnant and did the last season pregnant.

01:40:25.400 And so they had to figure out how to write.

01:40:27.900 It was noticeable.

01:40:28.720 Right.

01:40:28.880 So you had to kind of address it.

01:40:30.320 Right.

01:40:30.820 Yeah.

01:40:30.960 So they did.

01:40:31.980 They wrote that into the plot.

01:40:33.160 That one's a lot easier than than the being becoming a man.

01:40:37.000 Yeah.

01:40:37.120 Like that's a big big thing.

01:40:39.540 And like my understanding of the way the crazies want to treat this stuff is you're almost not supposed to notice.

01:40:46.040 Right.

01:40:46.480 You're just supposed to say that's how it always was.

01:40:49.060 Right.

01:40:49.440 Like if you were to say Ellen Page started in Juno, they would say you're dead naming this person.

01:40:55.860 Yeah.

01:40:56.180 But in reality, Ellen Page did star in Juno.

01:40:58.940 That's who it was.

01:41:00.120 Right.

01:41:00.320 Now, you might say the name now is Elliot, but at the time it was Ellen.

01:41:04.300 That was her name.

01:41:05.660 Just like Bruce Jenner.

01:41:07.740 Right.

01:41:08.660 Was an Olympic athlete.

01:41:10.220 And he's the one that accomplished all of those things.

01:41:12.560 And you're not dead naming Bruce Jenner when you say that Bruce Jenner won gold medals.

01:41:17.020 Right.

01:41:17.180 He did.

01:41:17.860 Because it was Bruce Jenner.

01:41:19.500 It wasn't Caitlyn Jenner who won the medals.

01:41:23.120 You want to change your name later on, then the things you accomplish as that new name can be called that.

01:41:27.640 Like, but like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, you know, didn't win all those titles with UCLA.

01:41:35.840 Right.

01:41:36.340 Wasn't it?

01:41:36.700 It was Lew Alcindor.

01:41:37.760 Yes.

01:41:38.100 Right.

01:41:38.380 The whole time.

01:41:39.080 The whole time.

01:41:39.740 Yeah.

01:41:40.380 And that happened when he was in the NBA.

01:41:42.020 That's not a knock on his name or who he is today.

01:41:45.380 It's just true.

01:41:46.880 This is the problem.

01:41:47.900 We're constantly asked not only to look the other way at a falsehood, but to participate in it and celebrate it.

01:41:57.380 We have a whole month here where we're supposed to be acting as if things that aren't true are true.

01:42:02.720 And then, of course, the other 11 months, you're supposed to do the same thing.

01:42:06.680 Maybe not celebrate it as much.

01:42:07.820 Maybe it's not as much stuff at the front of Target.

01:42:10.460 But you're still supposed to celebrate this stuff and acknowledge it and act as if something that is not true is true.

01:42:17.120 It's frustrating.

01:42:18.060 It's really frustrating.

01:42:19.240 And you can't do it.

01:42:20.520 This is how your civilization falls apart.

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01:43:39.240 In Reading, Pennsylvania, a man was just arrested for reading a Bible verse.

01:43:46.560 Now, we've heard about that happening in Canada.

01:43:49.860 So, you knew Canada was heading down the drain.

01:43:53.180 But I, until now, had not heard of Americans being arrested on the streets of America for reading Bible verses.

01:44:02.600 Now, they're, they're, this guy's across the street from a group of, of Pride Month celebrators.

01:44:13.320 And so, a police officer approaches this person and asks him to let them have their moment.

01:44:18.840 Here's, here's what happened.

01:44:19.940 He tells, tells the cop it's public property.

01:44:30.700 Cop tells him to let them have their moment.

01:44:33.780 Let them have their day.

01:44:34.980 You do you, and I'm going to do you.

01:44:38.100 This is public property.

01:44:40.920 Yo.

01:44:42.820 Apparently, the police officer disagrees with that.

01:44:46.440 And, now he comes over.

01:44:50.060 Getting this on film.

01:44:51.560 Can I give him my back?

01:44:52.620 And puts him in handcuffs.

01:44:53.780 Yo, I'm going to need you to go to 128.

01:44:57.700 And, of course, the Pride, Pride Month celebrators are all happy about the fact that this guy has no freedom of speech on the streets of Pennsylvania.

01:45:08.440 Incredible.

01:45:08.760 In the United States of America.

01:45:09.760 I cannot believe I'm watching this.

01:45:14.720 All right.

01:45:15.960 Pushing him around.

01:45:17.480 Pushes him up against, uh.

01:45:19.900 Not resisting at all, by the way.

01:45:21.340 No.

01:45:21.700 That's a point out.

01:45:22.220 Right.

01:45:24.460 Has him in handcuffs.

01:45:25.420 Apparently taking him down to the station.

01:45:29.000 God bless you, brother.

01:45:31.640 With three cops on this guy.

01:45:36.000 And, you hear the celebrating from the Pride Month group.

01:45:39.420 I talked to Dan Andros over at faithwire.com yesterday.

01:45:42.560 And, they were one of the people who broke the story.

01:45:45.620 That guy had been there for 60 seconds.

01:45:49.420 60 seconds?

01:45:50.520 He walked to that spot.

01:45:51.780 Oh, my gosh.

01:45:52.300 He was there for 60 seconds before his arrest.

01:45:55.420 And, he didn't do.

01:45:56.600 I mean, he had a sign.

01:45:58.420 Oh, my gosh.

01:45:58.900 He did not yet.

01:45:59.320 Yeah, he had a sign, and he recited a Bible verse.

01:46:02.520 I think he shouted it.

01:46:03.880 Yep.

01:46:04.580 60 seconds.

01:46:05.680 And, all of a sudden, the cop just is done with him and arrests him.

01:46:09.340 I mean, that is.

01:46:10.800 I don't know.

01:46:11.320 It's inconceivable in the United States of America.

01:46:14.080 It's just not America anymore.

01:46:16.380 It's just not.

01:46:17.480 You got to know more about the law than that if you're a police officer.

01:46:20.360 Yeah.

01:46:20.540 You got to know a little bit more about your constitutional right.

01:46:22.640 I back cops, you know, almost all the time.

01:46:26.580 Whenever, you know, like, they think they have an impossible job.

01:46:30.100 And, especially now, with the way that they're treated, I think it's really important to put in perspective how difficult their job is.

01:46:37.820 But, like, a guy reading a Bible verse, I mean, it's, like, 19 different intersections of the First Amendment.

01:46:44.320 Yeah.

01:46:44.760 It's, like, every, it's not only just protest.

01:46:48.040 Yeah.

01:46:48.200 It's also protesting while reciting a Bible verse.

01:46:52.520 Like, this is so clearly a violation of this guy's rights to be arrested in that situation.

01:46:58.400 It's really despicable.

01:46:59.260 As it would be, by the way, if they were protesting, if the group was a bunch of people who were, you know, reciting the Bible, and there was a LGBTQ protester holding a sign and saying they disagreed, they would also have a right in this country.

01:47:15.880 Yeah.

01:47:16.240 Like, that's just the way this is.

01:47:18.360 That's right.

01:47:18.960 It's the way the country is.

01:47:19.820 If you don't like it, I understand that.

01:47:21.460 But, you know, there's plenty of places that will restrict your speech.

01:47:24.080 North Korea comes to mind.

01:47:25.120 You can't say anything.

01:47:26.100 Go check that out.

01:47:26.900 It's cool.

01:47:27.740 You'll love it.

01:47:28.320 One real tall pyramid right in the center of town.

01:47:30.740 It looks incredible.

01:47:32.120 China will do it for you.

01:47:33.400 You know, they will make sure that you don't say the things you're not supposed to say.

01:47:36.900 This country was built on the foundation that you can, though.

01:47:40.960 I mean, that is, it's really, really important here.

01:47:44.100 And, like, I can understand, you know, that you think there's going to be some incident.

01:47:50.880 If he had shown some violent intent, there's a lot of things you could make it understand that you'd have a justification.

01:47:57.900 To separate the guy and de-escalate a situation.

01:48:01.120 None of that was going on.

01:48:02.480 None of it.

01:48:02.920 The guy came up.

01:48:03.540 He read a Bible verse in one minute and was arrested.

01:48:05.980 It's incredible that that can happen in this country.

01:48:07.880 Outrageous.

01:48:09.080 And the cop said to him, let them have their day.

01:48:12.240 Respect it.

01:48:13.160 No.

01:48:13.660 The guy responds, you know who's cheering for this?

01:48:16.460 For us?

01:48:17.140 The people that are in hell.

01:48:18.460 So, you do you, and I'm going to do me.

01:48:22.740 This is public property.

01:48:24.500 And then the cop arrested him.

01:48:26.660 Incredible.

01:48:27.300 Wow.

01:48:27.820 Look, you don't have to celebrate this stuff.

01:48:30.260 You don't have to.

01:48:31.040 No, you don't.

01:48:31.900 You know, you can't.

01:48:33.760 No one can make you say something.

01:48:35.720 That's an important part of free speech.

01:48:37.340 You can't be forced to say something that you don't want to say.

01:48:40.180 That is being reversed here, you know, by the day in this country.

01:48:43.900 And we need to fight back against it.

01:48:45.940 We have to.

01:48:46.640 No question.

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01:50:40.300 A lot of people have wondered, you know, what did Leah Thomas' teammates think about Leah Thomas?

01:50:50.160 Because we hear about Riley Gaines, just competed against Leah, I think, in one tournament at the NCAA championships.

01:50:55.400 And Riley Gaines, of course, we know what she thinks about men competing against women.

01:51:02.560 But what did the teammates of Leah Thomas think?

01:51:06.540 Well, one has finally come forward.

01:51:08.880 And I guess she was also included in the movie that Matt Walsh did about what is a woman, but was disguised.

01:51:17.420 And now has decided, no, I'm going to be open about it.

01:51:20.660 I'm coming out and I'm going to speak about it and I'm going to let everybody know who I am.

01:51:26.720 So Paula Scanlon, who is listed as a senior on University of Pennsylvania's athletics women's swimming team and diving roster,

01:51:37.060 swam with Leah Thomas, as well as fellow swimmer turned activist Riley Gaines.

01:51:43.020 Of course, Thomas is a male athlete who joined the women's swim team in 2021 after he began hormone replacement therapy in May 2019.

01:51:57.400 Now, she says that the team was gathered together and Leah Thomas spoke to him and said,

01:52:06.900 Hey, look, I'm going to be my true self.

01:52:09.180 My true self is a woman.

01:52:11.880 And so I'll be competing with you as a woman beginning next year.

01:52:17.120 I think she had to sit out for a year according to NCAA rules.

01:52:21.580 So she sat out for a year and then in 2021 started competing as a woman,

01:52:30.340 even though, of course, had all the male equipment and was actually a man.

01:52:35.260 Now, Scanlon was not excited about it.

01:52:40.860 One of the girls was very upset, Scanlon said.

01:52:44.140 She went crying to the athletic department.

01:52:46.780 I don't know what they said to her, but she was then complete.

01:52:51.860 After going to the athletic department, she was completely on board and thought Leah swimming was this magical, beautiful thing.

01:53:01.140 Is there something wrong with me for thinking this was wrong?

01:53:07.020 It worked.

01:53:08.140 The university wanted us to be quiet and they did it in a very effective way.

01:53:13.320 And so when this swimmer went to the athletic department and said,

01:53:16.580 Hey, this is not right.

01:53:18.000 This is not fair.

01:53:18.920 This is a man swimming as a woman.

01:53:21.700 And, and apparently was completely turned around on the, uh, on the deal.

01:53:27.120 Yeah.

01:53:27.660 And then supported Leah Thomas completely.

01:53:30.080 I mean, can you imagine being, you know, a woman in college and you're in a locker room getting dressed and you just hear that the man's voice, right?

01:53:39.000 Just that.

01:53:39.840 Yeah.

01:53:40.780 Would, would make you, make you jump up and, you know, wonder what's going on, you know?

01:53:45.080 And now then you realize what's going on and it's actually worse than maybe the alternative.

01:53:48.920 Someone walked into the wrong room.

01:53:50.660 No, no, this guy's supposed to be there.

01:53:53.520 His name is just Leah now.

01:53:56.200 And it does feel like too, like part of this at the very least should be that you're committing to the bit, right?

01:54:02.280 Like if you're going to be, if you're going to go from man to a woman, you go through with the surgery.

01:54:08.880 There's a level of commitment that like indicates this is at least something you're taking very seriously, you know, at least, at least you've gone through a real, a lot of trouble.

01:54:20.720 And, you know, you're not going to get the, cause I think you will start to get the people who just want to go to the other side of the, and I think this is more common in like prison.

01:54:33.540 For example, we'll have people who are just guys who want to be guys who are fine being guys, but no, they can manipulate the system to get in with the women in the women's prison for multiple reasons.

01:54:42.620 One, they probably like being in prison with women because they are attracted to women and, and, and all that stuff that could go on there.

01:54:49.400 But in addition, also, you're probably going to get beat up a lot less, right?

01:54:53.040 Right.

01:54:53.200 You know, like a, it's probably a safer environment at some level.

01:54:56.540 So people, I think will manipulate those things and it'll, and it has already resulted in women being assaulted.

01:55:05.160 Yeah.

01:55:05.600 There've been rapes, rapes and all sorts of terrible things that have happened to women.

01:55:09.180 Women have been impregnated.

01:55:10.600 Yeah.

01:55:11.360 Of course.

01:55:12.080 Of course.

01:55:12.820 Obviously it's, it's, again, we keep saying these things as if we have to say them.

01:55:17.520 Obviously everyone knows that's going to be a result of that situation.

01:55:20.000 Now you might get some people who say, you know, there's been people online who've done things like, um, I'm identifying as a woman and therefore I've just broken the weightlifting records for women.

01:55:31.440 And, you know, people see that more of as a joke or as a commentary on the situation or just an attempt that people will choose to ignore as if they didn't just say, the only thing you have to do is identify yourself that way.

01:55:46.880 And you become that, right?

01:55:48.140 Like they all say that until something inconvenient goes on.

01:55:51.100 Like for example, a transgender person shoots up a school.

01:55:54.320 Then all of a sudden the trans thing's not a big deal.

01:55:56.560 And wait, what, that person wasn't really trans.

01:55:59.680 Um, but like you look at this and, and I think if you look, if you go through the surgery, you've at least committed to the bit.

01:56:05.960 You're at least to the point where you could say, okay, well, this person's serious about this.

01:56:11.840 Yeah.

01:56:12.080 You're not trying to scam the system.

01:56:13.800 Right.

01:56:13.980 If you've gone to the trouble of the surgery, you're not scamming anybody.

01:56:17.460 It doesn't make you a woman and it doesn't make it okay that you're competing against women in women's sports, but it does eliminate the riffraff, right?

01:56:27.200 It shows.

01:56:27.780 Yeah.

01:56:28.180 It shows a commitment level.

01:56:29.280 You're all in.

01:56:30.320 Yeah.

01:56:30.760 You know, no one, no one is cutting their stuff off to win a women's swimming medal in the NCAA tournament.

01:56:37.620 You wouldn't think so.

01:56:38.440 No.

01:56:38.560 That's just like, no, that's just too much.

01:56:40.620 However, it's also not as threatening to the women you're sharing the locker room with.

01:56:45.820 Sure.

01:56:46.080 I get it.

01:56:46.400 If you don't have the noodle, then they're not seeing it dangling, right?

01:56:50.460 If you're noodle free, it's less likely a problem could occur.

01:56:54.800 I would agree.

01:56:55.520 That does not mean that women should have to accept people that have done this in their locker rooms or in their bathrooms or in their swimming lanes.

01:57:03.120 But I will say it does, that line would at least eliminate people who are intentionally manipulating the system.

01:57:13.140 You know, like if you did it with the bathroom rule, right?

01:57:15.460 Where you said, okay, you can go into a women's bathroom.

01:57:18.400 If you've gone through fully with the surgery, then at least you, again, no one is going through the surgery to get into a women's target bathroom.

01:57:26.740 Like that's a lot of commitment to get into a women's bathroom.

01:57:30.100 Yeah, and you're kind of defeating the purpose.

01:57:32.320 Right.

01:57:32.920 So like, okay, but they won't let you even ask if the surgery has happened.

01:57:37.640 Right.

01:57:37.860 You don't have to.

01:57:38.520 There's no line.

01:57:39.460 There is no line.

01:57:40.260 You just have to say it's gone on.

01:57:42.540 You don't even have to say the surgery has happened.

01:57:44.420 You just have to say, I am now a woman or I am now a man.

01:57:47.780 And you've magically changed.

01:57:49.940 It's like saying Beetlejuice three times.

01:57:52.560 Things just go on.

01:57:54.420 Yeah.

01:57:55.000 You know, and like there are no, abracadabra isn't real.

01:57:58.040 The magic words aren't real.

01:58:01.200 And it's incomprehensible to me that people on the left don't care what the women think about this.

01:58:09.320 They don't care how they feel about it.

01:58:10.900 They don't care if they're comfortable or not.

01:58:12.740 They don't care.

01:58:13.640 And when they're told, and some of them did approach officials and say, look, we're really not comfortable with this guy with his noodle hanging out while we're naked in the locker room.

01:58:30.800 He's looking at us.

01:58:32.300 We have to see him.

01:58:33.480 We don't want to.

01:58:35.380 And they were offered therapy.

01:58:38.980 So if you're not comfortable with a man and his unit hanging out in your locker room, well, obviously there's something wrong with you.

01:58:50.840 When did that start?

01:58:52.780 Yeah.

01:58:53.460 I was talking to someone.

01:58:55.140 It's interesting because it's really hard for them to defend their position on this.

01:58:58.900 And I think this is one of the reasons why conservatives have talked about it as much as they have.

01:59:03.460 You know, Matt Walsh, who mentioned his movie earlier, you know, what is a woman is such a great fundamental question.

01:59:09.120 Because if you, so often they will say women's rights are important, that women need to be treated equally.

01:59:17.800 And yet they can't even say what a woman is.

01:59:22.220 And if you can't define what a woman is, fundamentally all of these questions are insane.

01:59:27.640 If I were to say, you know, squibble squabbles need to be treated equally, you would correctly ask me, what is a squibble squabble?

01:59:35.640 And since I couldn't answer it, you would ignore me.

01:59:39.980 Right?

01:59:40.660 You can't answer the question?

01:59:42.200 What's a squibble squabble?

01:59:43.240 I just said if I couldn't answer the question.

01:59:45.620 I absolutely can.

01:59:46.560 And that's a whole nother show for another day.

01:59:48.740 But like, you know, a squibble squabble isn't a thing.

01:59:51.980 Huh.

01:59:52.640 And therefore, it doesn't mean anything.

01:59:55.160 The sentence is meaningless.

01:59:56.280 Well, if you can't tell me what a woman is, it's just as meaningless as a squibble squabble.

02:00:03.440 And I got to be honest with you, it's a really good observation that they can't even answer that basic question.

02:00:12.640 And you're talking about doctors, physicians, therapists.

02:00:15.240 I mean, when you watch the movie, none of those people, none of those people can answer what the – it's such an easy question to answer.

02:00:24.960 Supreme Court justices can't answer it, Pat.

02:00:27.800 No.

02:00:28.140 I mean –

02:00:28.740 Man.

02:00:29.000 These are very basic – you don't need to be a biologist.

02:00:31.660 And again, now the left is pissed off.

02:00:33.900 The only thing they've ever been pissed off against – I was going to say Corinne Jean-Pierre, the Supreme Court justice, her name is escaping me right now, the newest one.

02:00:43.260 Corinne – Kataji Brown Jackson.

02:00:45.400 Thank you.

02:00:46.220 Kataji Brown Jackson.

02:00:47.080 The only thing they don't like about her is that she said the biologist thing because that indicates that a biologist could tell.

02:00:55.040 Think of the insanity.

02:00:56.460 We all know what a woman is.

02:00:57.860 We all know.

02:00:58.440 It's so crazy.

02:00:58.740 We know the chromosomes are at play.

02:01:00.220 We know the genitals are at play.

02:01:03.180 You know, they've got the ovaries, the womb.

02:01:05.640 There's things there that differentiate the man and the woman.

02:01:09.060 That's how you know.

02:01:10.380 That's it.

02:01:11.620 And they're like, well, it's actually – sex is the biological – and then gender is more of a feeling.

02:01:21.760 No.

02:01:22.160 I remember this.

02:01:22.580 My favorite – because we used to talk about this on Patents, too, I remember back in the day.

02:01:26.860 Ellen DeGeneres, again, a very prominent LGB activist.

02:01:33.060 I don't know if she's a T activist or not.

02:01:35.880 I think she is.

02:01:37.020 And she was asked, like, about this, and she said, you know, like, sex is one thing, but, like, you know, what gender you are is really more of a feeling.

02:01:46.720 And it's like, well, all right, like, let's accept that for a second.

02:01:49.580 Let's just say, essentially, gender is this new word that they made up that means something different, right?

02:01:54.680 It's not what you are.

02:01:56.820 It's what you feel like.

02:01:58.620 And I – okay.

02:01:59.840 I can kind of accept that in a way.

02:02:01.880 Like, I just don't care what you feel like.

02:02:04.640 Like, that's something for you to deal with.

02:02:07.220 I've got enough crap going on in my life.

02:02:09.020 I don't have to accept your feeling as my definition for what a woman is.

02:02:11.940 Like, a woman or a man, what we need to know that information for, demographic research, you know, medical treatment.

02:02:18.840 Like, I don't care what your feelings are.

02:02:21.940 Sports.

02:02:22.880 How are we dividing people to play sports so we have an equal playing field?

02:02:26.140 We do it by gender.

02:02:27.140 We do it by sex.

02:02:28.120 If you want to say gender is which one you feel like, well, what do – I don't care about that at all.

02:02:34.260 You can feel all sorts of – do you feel happy or sad?

02:02:38.340 That's kind of on you.

02:02:39.700 I don't adjust all of the rules of my society for you being happy or sad.

02:02:45.660 And, like, look, a lot of people have more masculine leanings if they're a female.

02:02:52.700 If you're a female and you have masculine leanings, what you are is a female.

02:02:57.840 Yes, you're maybe different than other females.

02:03:01.400 They're not all the same.

02:03:03.740 There are people who act differently.

02:03:06.680 Not all men are the same.

02:03:08.700 Some people like Broadway.

02:03:10.540 Some people like MMA.

02:03:12.440 They're different.

02:03:13.540 That doesn't mean they're not – some of them are men and some of them aren't.

02:03:17.420 It's just fundamentally you're a man.

02:03:20.280 You can have – there's a bright rainbow of colors within that definition.

02:03:25.900 People are different.

02:03:27.460 I mean, look, you try to talk to Glenn about the NBA.

02:03:31.160 Yeah.

02:03:31.320 Try to talk to Glenn about the NFL.

02:03:33.000 Good luck.

02:03:33.520 He can school me on Chitty Chitty Bang Bang all day long.

02:03:38.400 Because that he knows.

02:03:40.800 But he's also a man, even though sometimes he doesn't always act like a man.

02:03:46.600 He's a man.

02:03:47.600 Yeah.

02:03:48.260 You're a man.

02:03:49.200 I'm a man.

02:03:50.360 That's the thing.

02:03:52.300 It's okay.

02:03:53.140 There's a bunch of different definitions, different types of people in there.

02:03:56.760 That's what makes the world interesting.

02:03:58.560 It doesn't mean you've changed your gender.

02:03:59.740 Your feelings are unimportant in this particular situation.

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02:06:29.700 The rest of the stuff you said today was crazy.

02:06:31.880 Yeah.

02:06:32.160 Yeah.

02:06:32.420 The rest of the stuff.

02:06:33.540 I mean, you were detonating people all over the place.

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02:06:43.260 Now, don't you have some things going on on the Stuberger, Studez America situation?

02:06:49.260 Got a great show lined up for you today.

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