The Glenn Beck Program - NJ ‘Weaponized’ Against a Gym ｜ Guests： Ian Smith & Matt Ridley ｜ 5⧸22⧸20

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00:01:42.140 this is the glenn bank program oh yeah hello america it is thursday we've got a great show for

00:01:53.820 you i mean thursday is where this is a date that will live in infamy donald trump is going to michigan

00:02:01.280 he's going to visit the ford plant today remember it's in michigan where the attorney general just

00:02:10.180 told the white house from the state of michigan that when the president is on tour and he's in

00:02:19.680 michigan he is required to wear a mask and uh he would love to have the president come to ford but

00:02:30.560 he better be wearing a mask uh who's got money on not a chance in hell i can't wait what are you

00:02:41.320 going to do michigan the governor going to send out the police to arrest the president of the united

00:02:46.400 states oh it's a sweet sweet day in america this is the small things in life we begin our program

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00:04:47.820 back i mean i should say that all right so last night i did a tv show on the new civil rights era and

00:04:59.840 and i think we are in uh a civil rights crisis i think we are headed for trouble uh because some

00:05:09.800 of these states are absolutely out of control thank god it's not coming from the federal government

00:05:15.540 thank god we have the federal government to run to and say hey uh justice department can you

00:05:21.000 investigate this so do you remember i think it was on monday when uh we played the audio of that cop in

00:05:28.240 new jersey opening up the uh the gym in new jersey the attilis gym and he said you're all in violation

00:05:36.820 but have a nice day and i said on the air it feels like a do you believe in miracles moment you know kind

00:05:46.200 of that moment of the of the olympics in the 1980s well i got an update for you that same cop that same

00:05:55.740 guy came back to the gym 50 minutes later and started arresting people after the cameras had gone

00:06:03.280 he comes back and starts arresting people now i don't know what happened i don't know if he got

00:06:08.380 his head handed to him i don't know but i mean it shows it very at the best it shows he believed in

00:06:16.120 something then got his head handed to him and he folded on what he believes i don't know if that i don't

00:06:23.500 know what happened but somebody who might is the owner of the attilis gym his name is ian smith

00:06:30.100 because he's got even more bad news this gym has now officially been closed ian welcome to the

00:06:37.900 program how are you i'm good glenn how are you hi i'd be better if your story was better first of all

00:06:45.980 let's start with the uh let's start with the cop do you know anything about this cop or or how did

00:06:52.860 he leave a hero and come back 50 minutes later and start arresting people um we we are very close

00:07:01.540 knit with with local law enforcement at our gym uh our gym is is full of uh law enforcement first

00:07:08.740 responders uh active and and veteran military um sure a lot of these a lot of these guys you know

00:07:15.340 we know on a very personal level um i have never met um that individual um although i mean i guess now

00:07:21.660 i know him um yeah he came um and and that that first sort of video clips where uh where everybody

00:07:29.320 was rejoicing and chanting usa usa usa was um was i what i believe to be his true feelings um when he

00:07:37.460 came back later uh about 50 minutes later it just so happened to be about 10 minutes before governor

00:07:42.460 murphy's press conference so that leads me to believe along with with a lot of the other stuff

00:07:47.500 that we've been hearing um that this stuff is coming straight down from the top that these guys are

00:07:52.900 being put in a uh in a position where they they they have to choose between their jobs and their

00:07:58.520 tensions and their livelihoods um or jeez you know or these guys got us they've got to stand up

00:08:05.940 police officers please the people will stand with you who will stand with you you've got to stand up

00:08:13.220 and and risk your job and i know that's a really big thing but i'm telling you the justice department

00:08:20.200 will go all over this if people start firing our cops like they did in seattle for just speaking out

00:08:27.920 or doing the right thing a it's going to work out well for you in the end because i think that cop in

00:08:33.920 seattle he could be a sheriff anywhere people would elect him in any decent city uh you know not seattle

00:08:40.580 but they they would they would elect him sheriff he'll get another job it will pay tenfold if you just stand

00:08:48.700 okay so now you found out last night that the health department came out and put notices all over

00:08:57.720 your door that you are not allowed to open up because of the health department tell me about that

00:09:02.660 correct um so yesterday uh governor murphy in his press conference uh addressed the gym um and he said

00:09:11.780 he mentioned something about you know continuing to pursue us legally you know which i think i think

00:09:18.600 he he he knows although he won't publicly admit it that he has no legal grounds to shut us down that

00:09:24.460 that we are protected by the constitution and that no matter what he says in his executive orders or how

00:09:29.440 many citations that he's handed us which is three days for us now so we're up to a uh me and my partner

00:09:34.040 up to i think i think seven each um or no seven grand each uh no seven tickets each seven tickets

00:09:42.200 each okay yeah so i i think governor murphy truly knows that that he doesn't have a leg to stand on

00:09:47.500 where that's concerned so um he's you know he's resorted and he put very very publicly stated that

00:09:53.240 he's going to get the health department involved um coincidentally uh about two hours later uh our

00:09:59.240 um our sewage system was sabotaged by uh somebody stuffing an entire roll of commercial paper towels

00:10:07.320 down into our toilets to the point where we did have to shut down the gym for the day um oh my gosh

00:10:13.100 backflowing um so we are investigating how that happens but we had three different plumbing crews come

00:10:19.880 out last night that had to bring in some some legit equipment not just like a snake and a plunger but we

00:10:24.840 had uh we had these specialized trucks that had to come in and um blast water into our pipes in order

00:10:30.540 to clear it out and they they finally got that resolved but they they confirmed that that was very

00:10:35.140 clearly purposely done that wasn't you know oops i i flushed you know one piece of of paper down the

00:10:41.120 toilet it was it was quite deliberate um so we spent the night doing that frank and i left at about

00:10:47.540 nine o'clock and um in the middle of the night somebody had i guess was was kind of passing the gym

00:10:54.720 and they saw that there were four squad cars here in the middle of the night as well as some other

00:10:58.660 unmarked vehicles um posting some stuff on the wall and we have some pictures of that um that we

00:11:03.780 actually just handed over to uh fox 29 news um posting this stuff on the wall in the middle of

00:11:09.340 the night and it is uh basically an order of embargo it says and the the health code violations we

00:11:15.680 looked them up are extremely vague um there's not nothing specific that we did to violate um and in

00:11:22.420 in addition to that no health um department official has ever stepped foot inside of our

00:11:27.360 building as long as we've owned it um so the wording in it is very vague it just you know refers to you

00:11:32.980 know coronavirus spreading and stuff like that but we're the only uh business in the entire strip mall

00:11:38.820 that that seems to be closed um so it's a little baffling um i don't understand how they can come in

00:11:46.300 and shut us down without even inspecting our facilities there's there's things on there that

00:11:50.240 mentioned poor ventilation um you know if you would just step inside our facilities we have an air

00:11:55.180 scrubber inside uh we have an hrack system that works perfectly fine uh the facility is ventilated

00:12:01.960 there's a ton of measures that we've taken so it's flimsy at best uh and we have our lawyers working

00:12:07.440 on it and we plan to open up tomorrow i have to tell you ian i i i'm about to lose my mind and i think

00:12:14.040 america feels the same way i talked to a woman uh yesterday she's a salon owner um they said they

00:12:21.460 were going to arrest her this is in oregon they didn't arrest her they have threatened to pull her

00:12:27.040 business license yeah and then they sent child protective services to her house that's crazy 1.00

00:12:35.380 this is such an abuse of power that was going to happen to us as well you know we have we have a

00:12:42.040 15 year old at home um and and you know it it keeps her up at night all of the potential blowback 1.00

00:12:48.380 uh from this you know because she's she's you know she stands behind me um or at my side with all of

00:12:53.900 this um you know but you know it's um it's it's it's pretty scary when when government organizations

00:12:59.940 are weaponized against uh the public you know the uh department of health is there to protect us

00:13:06.680 you know and for the most part that's that's what they do as their job but you know these governors

00:13:10.660 are weaponizing these organizations that are meant to protect the public to enforce um you know their

00:13:17.040 will and that that's a pretty scary thing you know and then same thing with with child child

00:13:20.880 protective services you know that that organization is there to protect um children uh but it's being

00:13:27.440 used in in the case of the uh salon owner in oregon as a as a weapon against her um and that's that's

00:13:33.800 pretty alarming you know that's that's very scary ian uh stay in touch with us let us know what's 0.87

00:13:41.200 happening don't let a day go by if they're upping it if they're using another weapon make sure you reach

00:13:47.680 out to us okay absolutely i'll keep you guys in touch uh and what is the uh what is the gofundme page if

00:13:55.200 people want to help uh you know help you with your legal bills uh so the gofundme was set up uh by one

00:14:02.140 of our members um and that is a defense fund not only for um us as owners but we have a bunch of

00:14:09.060 members slash volunteers who have been helping us stay open during this time um as well as all of our

00:14:15.820 members uh because some of them have been arrested and charged um we have set up that legal funds and

00:14:22.680 our lawyers have agreed to represent everybody so that's going to pay for the cost of the lawyers

00:14:28.780 as well as any fines or punishment incurred by any member or patron of the facility or any volunteer as

00:14:35.480 well and that's available on our social media uh there's a link on um excuse me our instagram which

00:14:41.260 is attilis jim belmar um so yeah and we're gonna we're gonna keep pushing forward you know we're

00:14:47.440 definitely not going to back down and we are very thankful that our members stand behind us as well and

00:14:52.060 we're gonna stand with them good good for you thank you very much the attilis jim.com you can

00:14:58.720 find them also uh and help them with their gofundme page you bet listen i want to talk to every police

00:15:04.480 officer within the sound of my voice right now uh heroes are made at times of strife we are fortunate

00:15:14.100 to live at this time we could look at this as a curse you know the old the old saying about the

00:15:20.120 chinese i'll make you live in interesting times um and you know that it's a curse and nobody wants to 1.00

00:15:26.600 live through these times but you are given the opportunity if if dietrich bonhoeffer would have

00:15:33.540 been born 40 years before 40 years after we wouldn't know his name he had the opportunity because of where

00:15:42.280 he lived and the time he lived to actually fulfill his greatest self you know when you're not pushed

00:15:51.520 up up against the wall you don't have a chance to be stronger and better than you think you are right

00:15:58.560 now we are in a situation to where heroes are going to be um found and quite honestly god uses all of us

00:16:09.780 absolutely every one of us we are called at this time to protect the freedom of all man time all

00:16:17.100 mankind anyone who is a an enemy of the rights of the people they're not an enemy of mine or yours

00:16:25.800 they're an enemy of god's because those rights belong to him and when you stand up you have an

00:16:34.720 obligation to stand up but if you don't it's no big deal he'll find somebody else because there are

00:16:41.880 millions that will stand up but give your children something to be proud of give your children an

00:16:49.280 example that says yeah at that time i didn't know what was going to happen but i knew i had to stand up

00:16:59.080 and i urge every police officer within the sound of my voice if you if you listen to me and you find

00:17:07.180 any use in anything that i have ever said to you please consider reading ordinary men it's a book that

00:17:16.560 came out it's from based on a study after world war ii and it's how the germans took one of the best 0.62

00:17:24.360 police forces in poland and turned them into vicious killers and no one could understand why

00:17:33.540 and it took these police officers a long time before they could talk about it after the war

00:17:38.740 but the study was done and it's not that hard uh to see how they did it and some of these things

00:17:48.560 are playing a role today and if you don't know how it's done if you don't know the steps you're going

00:17:56.180 to fall into the same trap because it happens as a collective only when individuals stand up and there

00:18:02.860 were a few individuals that left that police force and said i can't do it i can't do it and they could

00:18:08.680 live with themselves please please you are there to protect and serve you are there to protect the

00:18:17.880 constitution and the people from anyone foreign domestic it doesn't matter that is violating the 0.98

00:18:25.480 constitution this audience loves you this audience generally loves police and we are having a hard

00:18:34.060 time we're really having a hard time your greatest defenders are having a hard time right now with the

00:18:41.620 fbi and everything else we don't know who the good guys are please we believe in you and we know it's

00:18:49.620 tough but i'll tell you this americans will rally around you please stand up by the way the name of the

00:18:57.480 book again is ordinary men everyone in this audience should read it all right want to talk to you a little

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00:20:36.780 biden inquiry as an effort to resurrect the debunked smear that something was wrong

00:20:44.300 yesterday in a very underreported story audio was released of john carrey and and joe biden

00:20:56.360 talking to the former president of ukraine absolutely everything we said was going on

00:21:04.080 in ukraine is now coming out with audio tape audio tape showing that this is exactly what happened

00:21:13.800 in the audio tape which we'll play for you in a minute uh in the audio tape you have porshanko

00:21:20.680 the president speaking to john carrey and john carrey saying look the vice president is coming over and

00:21:26.920 he really wants this guy uh gone and john carrey couches it in you know that he's corrupt and

00:21:33.700 everything else and porshanko says look even though there are no charges against this guy even though

00:21:42.540 there are no complaints uh filed uh filed and we don't have any reason to believe he's corrupt

00:21:48.500 because of our deal what's that mean um i want to show you that i'm a good partner and i will

00:21:57.580 i've asked him for his resignation so

00:22:01.500 you you have the deal being cut and all of the lies of the media that everyone knew that he was corrupt

00:22:12.260 no even the president who was in dirty dealings with our former uh administration even they said

00:22:22.420 there's nothing there there's there's no evidence there's no charges there's there's nothing there

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00:24:14.660 so there's a lot of news that is not being reported uh a lot of things like we have talked about

00:24:28.660 the uh trouble of child abuse and domestic abuse in homes that nobody is reporting but

00:24:35.640 the new york post finally is thinking about the average person uh they've just released a story

00:24:44.520 people stuck in haunted homes during quarantine are reporting now a rise in spooky happenings

00:24:52.960 now this story is written by natalie o'neill who natalie good for you for taking on those big

00:25:01.240 yes you're in new york yes you could be reporting on the spooky happenings around cuomo and how

00:25:08.120 everybody old around him seems to die but no you got the real important story the spooky happenings in

00:25:15.420 haunted houses i was intrigued by this story and i wanted to reach out to one of the guys who is

00:25:21.700 is mentioned in this story his name is brent underwood he is the owner of cerro gordo it's a ghost town

00:25:29.660 uh and he says i don't believe in ghosts but spooky happenings have happened brent underwood welcome

00:25:38.120 to the program how are you sir good morning i'm doing pretty good how are you uh well i'm i'm pretty

00:25:44.380 good now you're you bought an abandoned silver mine right uh and and is this in nevada or is this

00:25:52.280 california where is this it's about three hours outside of la so it's in california it's kind of

00:25:59.740 right by mount whitney if that gives you a point of reference in between death valley and sequoia

00:26:04.540 national park okay what a what a what a wild place death valley and sequoia national park right next to

00:26:11.480 each other is crazy um so so tell me you bought this and it looks beautiful you bought this a while

00:26:20.100 back you had heard the stories of the ghost town and everything else but you don't you don't buy

00:26:24.660 into any of that stuff do you no i mean i bought it about two years ago with some friends and it was

00:26:31.000 a town that at one point in time it was the largest producer of silver river california so there was

00:26:35.300 4 000 residents all the people were telling me that there used to be a murder per week in the town and

00:26:41.060 the miners used to line their bunk bags with sandbags uh to stop the straight bullets in the middle of

00:26:46.380 the night and so even even stuff like that or there's a cemetery on site and so the the ghost

00:26:51.900 stories were abundant before buying it but i kind of brushed them all away you know i'm i i guess i

00:26:59.000 should say i wasn't a ghost believer um but then about two months ago when when the covid crisis hit

00:27:05.340 our our caretaker we typically have a live-in caretaker that lives here he wanted to go home to be

00:27:10.960 with his wife so i uh packed up my stuff in austin where i typically live and headed out and i've been

00:27:17.080 here ever since uh and so you say you weren't a believer in ghost and now you are what happened

00:27:24.520 i think it goes in increments you know at first it's easy to push away these things and rationalize

00:27:30.660 them away but i think my first entry into that sphere was one night i was walking to

00:27:35.960 watch the sunset and there's 22 buildings here so there's quite a few buildings and one of the

00:27:40.980 buildings is called a bunk house and it's a eight bedroom house that all the miners use to stay in 1.00

00:27:45.700 when they lived here and as i was going past i noticed something in the living room that opened

00:27:51.220 up the curtain and closed the curtain and the light was on in the living room and i hadn't noticed the

00:27:55.680 light had been on in that building before so i went in there and i turned off the light and i put a

00:28:02.180 padlock on the door and keep in mind i'm the only one with the key to this to the padlock and the

00:28:08.480 town's about 30 miles from the closest town and we're up 800 feet 8 000 feet in elevation so it's

00:28:13.600 not like there's squatters in there or neighbors or anything that might be messing around and so i

00:28:18.460 turned off the light went about my day watched the sunset not a big deal um next night i went back to

00:28:23.740 go to the sunset again and the light was on again in the in the living room and so i i unpadlocked it and

00:28:29.540 not only was light on the flip the switch was back up but to me at first you jumped to like oh sure

00:28:34.220 it was faulty electricity you know this or that but i think being alone in a town uh with a history

00:28:39.780 like this it definitely raised my kind of like uh i guess inner questions i guess i should say

00:28:46.680 and then a couple nights later in the house nope all right no go ahead go ahead a couple nights later

00:28:52.560 so a couple a couple nights later i was at the house that i was staying in um in the middle of the

00:28:58.720 night this is probably like three or four in the morning a book fell off the shelf and again this is

00:29:02.420 a house that there's no draft i have no pets up here i don't have a cat or i don't have a dog

00:29:06.440 there's no rat um and then as i woke up i just had this overwhelming sense that something else is in the

00:29:12.380 house with me and when i did this i i think she just looked towards the ground you know i thought

00:29:16.780 maybe it was like an animal of some type but nothing there and i just couldn't escape the feeling

00:29:21.740 and then after that there's a pretty quick succession that things are moving around you know i wall it

00:29:26.540 went from one house to the other house and just all these things that i couldn't explain where

00:29:30.100 if you're there sitting alone in the middle of the night in a town 30 miles from no from anybody else

00:29:35.260 you start you know jumping to conclusions i guess yeah so that's what i was going to ask you brent i

00:29:41.260 mean you know you're in a town where there are stories of ghosts uh and you're all by yourself in

00:29:48.460 the middle of nowhere i mean i freak out i have a cabin in the middle of absolutely nowhere as well

00:29:53.540 and i've been there by myself at times and when i'm there by myself honestly i keep my gun close

00:29:59.900 because at night you just start hearing things you're like i don't know man what it what was

00:30:05.120 that what was that uh and do you think this i mean was just playing with you your mind was playing with

00:30:11.440 you maybe a little bit but i think i mean similar to your your gun i keep a golf club in the bed with

00:30:16.980 me i don't know how effective golf clubs are against ghosts you know uh you know we'll find out but

00:30:21.540 guns too so right it was it was it i definitely try to rationalize the way i always think you know

00:30:28.320 you know that could be the wind that could be this but just the light switch and then my wallet moving

00:30:32.940 is just something that i couldn't explain and i i maybe i bought into it but at this point i've moved

00:30:39.680 from non-believer to let's just find a way to coexist with these ghosts and so how i handle it is i don't

00:30:45.180 go where i know they like to hang out like the bunkhouse and the hotel and these other buildings

00:30:48.860 and i hope that maybe they respect my space as well all right so hang on just a second i just want

00:30:54.220 to give one more thing so somebody went in or a ghost went in turn on the lights uh you lock them

00:31:03.180 but they somehow or another got past that lock then the next thing you notice is somehow or another your

00:31:08.420 wallet had been moved is it possible that that is something more earthly like someone who is squatting

00:31:20.620 and looking for money in your wallet is that possible i mean when i say these things out loud i know how

00:31:27.620 ridiculous it sounds i'm i'm with you on the right from it this is insane particularly coming from a 0.95

00:31:33.460 guy that's stuck in a town by himself it might sound like i'm going a bit crazy who knows that that might 0.82

00:31:39.200 be the case i'm not gonna rule that out either but uh right search the building with my golf club i

00:31:45.460 didn't find any squatters i tell you brent the reason why you're on with us is because i read this

00:31:55.240 story and i thought this is ridiculous and then uh we called a lot of the people and uh sarah who's

00:32:02.160 our booker she said you're gonna love brent because he's like i know this is crazy and i might be crazy

00:32:08.020 because i know what it sounds like and i love your uh i love your take i will i will say brent you know

00:32:13.220 a lot of people would point out um because you say you know you bought into this and you literally

00:32:17.740 did buy into this like you've bought into this business so is it possible that you're being

00:32:24.320 motivated by the idea that more ghosts good for business i didn't think of the ghost because that

00:32:33.960 will move your wallet brent you know listen maybe i'll start listing the ghost as an asset on our

00:32:41.600 business but uh until then yeah don't say leave me alone so are you gonna you're gonna restore this

00:32:48.660 and you're gonna make it a you know like a not a tourist place but like a a kind of a western resort

00:32:55.820 i guess kind of like a lodge yeah i hope to one day renovate the buildings uh that's what i've been

00:33:01.800 working on when i'm up here to allow more people to come and stay and experience the history and the

00:33:05.680 natural beauty hopefully not the ghosts but you know everything else i guess well i don't know

00:33:11.060 i don't know people might pay extra for the ghosts so you might want to you might want to keep that

00:33:15.900 one to yourself uh brent thank you so much for talking to us i i appreciate it yes another result

00:33:24.280 of covid 19 right here an underreported ghost sighting brent underwood uh we'll talk again when

00:33:33.360 you open up your open up your lodge thank you so much maybe we should ghost do we could be we could

00:33:39.300 be the ghosts i mean i would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those pesky kids a lot of

00:33:45.340 people out of work right now people could use good jobs like ghosting right there's probably a lot of

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00:35:51.340 okay this you're gonna love this the blaze and elijah schaefer is uh reporting today

00:36:07.400 uh on uh the madness of twitch now twitch is a uh gamers platform

00:36:16.640 and uh they have just added a new member to their moderation team a transgender who identifies

00:36:25.820 as a deer

00:36:27.360 they're going to be the monitor of freedom of speech and what's allowed and what's and what's not

00:36:37.620 now i just you know i think i've said enough already but let me let you hear from this deer

00:36:46.400 uh and uh what he or she has uh said this is steph lauer uh and here's what she said let's uh take cut

00:36:57.840 one uh of steph so i'm hanging in there and i'm not going anywhere i have power they can't take it away

00:37:08.420 from me and honestly you know i the the these there there are some people that should be afraid

00:37:17.920 of me um and that they are because i i represent uh moderation and diversity and

00:37:24.560 i'm gonna come for hurtful harmful people if you're a really person i'm gonna stand up against you

00:37:31.740 hmm so people should fear me okay um now she's on a gaming platform and here's what she thinks

00:37:43.060 about gamers listen to this well no i just i'm just not cool with white supremacy y'all it's really

00:37:50.080 not that i think a lot of you gamers are actually white supremacists sorry just a fact of how i feel

00:37:59.420 wait that's totally different a fact and a fact about how you feel are totally different things

00:38:07.320 no facts feelings are facts no feelings are facts it might be a fact that you should be that way but

00:38:12.560 what does that mean you should be banned now uh here she is talking about what she likes to do 0.86

00:38:20.360 in her off times um so in my in my spare time stop stop stop stop freeze that

00:38:29.320 frame can you freeze that frame she's wearing antlers i just if you're if you're missing uh 0.99

00:38:36.160 you're missing a lot if you're not watching us on blaze uh but she's wearing antlers uh and she's a 1.00

00:38:42.620 good-looking woman a deer a female deer a doe a deer a female deer anyway go ahead play this

00:38:49.680 my yard in my spare time i go out to my yard and i and i prance around and i and i eat grass

00:38:56.820 and and i just watch it because it helps me feel like in tune with my dear self

00:39:04.320 thank you no stew is this real like i that's what i was just gonna ask do you think this is real

00:39:20.300 hey gamers are racist she's on she's on twitch that doesn't make any sense uh you know she likes

00:39:30.120 to go eat grass i mean maybe she is but i i i don't even know anymore it's an amazing conversation 0.79

00:39:38.240 that we actually think it could be real right uh but i mean i mean i just say i sure knows this world

00:39:45.020 better than i do 10 years ago i would say this is absolutely bogus but today

00:39:52.580 yeah so and what else is in the news i mean that that today this makes sense and i would say too

00:40:03.120 there i mean a good chunk of the country has absolutely no right to say anything other than

00:40:08.300 it's true and you should respect her as a deer a doe a female deer whatever a female deal

00:40:15.740 fine yes i don't fall into the category that that would that would say that but there's no reason to

00:40:23.660 if you're going to say a guy can just identify as a woman whenever he feels like it why can't they 0.71

00:40:30.340 identify as a doe why not yeah again like you're not because there's no physical characteristics that

00:40:39.000 coincide with being a doe what does that have to do with it right what does it have to do with it

00:40:43.600 what does it have to do with it i mean i i nothing ellen explained this a long time ago i remember on

00:40:48.580 her show is saying like you know it's a it's a it's a it's a way you feel in your mind when you're

00:40:53.760 talking about gender it's a way you feel in your mind well all right like i don't know what that has

00:40:57.900 to do with society like it's whatever you want to feel in your mind i don't know why we would change

00:41:01.740 any policies based on that but if that's what you're talking about okay whatever but that's not

00:41:06.880 something that necessarily affects anyone else that's that's you there's at least there i'm being

00:41:12.460 kind there's at least a 50 chance this is absolutely real the lunatics are in charge of the asylum

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00:47:14.440 executive producer because uh i tend to go with the heart uh and see things through the heart and and

00:47:21.320 stew sees things really through analytics you can say that i don't have a heart that's fine i understand

00:47:27.080 that you don't i mean you make the tin man seem warm and cuddle and cuddly thank you uh but but uh

00:47:34.120 one of the guys who really shaped him and i think is really brilliant stew turned me on to him uh with

00:47:39.780 the rational optimist um matt ridley matt ridley was on with us i don't know a few weeks ago uh talking

00:47:46.740 about covid 19 and you know that it is serious but there are some things to you know that there's some

00:47:52.840 other things that we should also take into consideration like oh i don't know an economy

00:47:58.040 so we don't all die from starvation um he's got a new book out called how innovation works

00:48:04.220 and i've been reading it stew his are you finished with it yet stew yeah oh yeah yeah it's it's great

00:48:09.720 yeah it's a great book uh matt ridley is joining us now hello matt how are you all right can you not

00:48:16.220 get a copy each uh i i took his copy no yeah yeah we can't we can't afford two books that's crazy matt

00:48:25.680 um so the the name of the book is how innovation works and i like the subtitle and why it flourishes

00:48:30.840 in freedom so um matt um first lay out just the the premise of of of of the book well the premise of

00:48:41.740 the book is that innovation is the most important theme of the modern world it's somewhat mysterious

00:48:46.320 we still don't quite understand why it happens when and where it does why it happens to some

00:48:49.900 technologies and not others and i'm having a stab at explaining that and my answer is basically that

00:48:55.840 it's a it's a phenomenon it's a gradual incremental collective phenomenon that happens amongst our brains

00:49:03.400 rather than inside any one person's brain uh it's it's about people uh trying things and

00:49:10.280 chairing ideas and coming up with new ideas so matt can you stew and i've been talking about this for

00:49:16.340 a long time we go back and forth on this um can you tell me um is there a real phenomenon or does it

00:49:24.240 just seem this way that uh people start to work on things in different parts of the world around the

00:49:32.780 same time and they're not connected it's almost like there's some sort of uh a collective

00:49:40.120 hive mind where we make innovations around the same time is that can you explain that is that

00:49:48.300 even real it's really or is that just my perception no it's not your perception it's

00:49:54.760 absolutely right because uh if you look at the history of almost any gadget you find there are three

00:50:00.280 or four people who have a good claim to have invented it independently you know the thermometer or

00:50:05.780 whatever it might be uh the telephone dream case yeah um the extreme case is the light bulb where 21

00:50:12.660 different people came up with the idea of independently in different countries there was

00:50:17.220 lodigian in russia and swan here pretty well the same hometown as me in england and of course a guy

00:50:23.300 called edison on your side of the pond who did pretty well out of it um and but but then if you

00:50:29.920 think about a more modern example like the search engine probably the most useful innovation of my

00:50:36.200 lifetime the one i use every day and the one that nobody saw coming but that was amazingly obvious

00:50:42.460 in retrospect because by the time you get to the early 1990s you've invented the internet it's pretty

00:50:48.320 well bound to be the case that people are going to invent programs that enable you to search the

00:50:52.260 internet intelligently and it's probably obvious that that's going to be the way to make money out of

00:50:57.640 the internet um so if larry page had never met sergey brin we'd still have uh search engines we just

00:51:05.000 wouldn't call them google and uh so i think that that example tells you that what's happening is that

00:51:11.280 the the technologies you need to bring together to develop a new technology are ripe they're ready

00:51:17.640 you reach the point where it's inevitable that someone's going to do this next step and that's why

00:51:23.020 you get this wave of simultaneous invention it leads to a lot of patent and copyright disputes people are

00:51:29.100 constantly getting into a terrible row about this and in fact there's there's quite a nice uh subsection

00:51:36.140 here of it turns out there's a whole bunch of books that that wrote about wizards and communicating via

00:51:42.820 owls um in around the same time as jk rowling she just happened to be the one that that idea at its

00:51:50.600 most extreme that one does feel really weird um but i suspect that is because people okay you know

00:51:55.420 they're always somebody writing about owls and wizards well of course because wizards are true and and so is

00:52:01.720 everything that jk rowling uh writes um let let me let me talk to you about some of the things in the

00:52:06.740 book you talk about vaccines um tell tell me where you stand on vaccines uh and let's let's talk about

00:52:16.000 this in in uh i mean in real time here with with vaccines coming into play in our world and and

00:52:23.800 forced vaccines are possible etc etc so talk to me a little bit about vaccines well vaccines are an

00:52:31.140 example of the not having been enough innovation um so uh you know when this pandemic started i was

00:52:38.620 slightly surprised to discover that it's still 12 to 18 months to develop a vaccine minimum and that

00:52:44.540 you know decades go by without us developing a vaccine for a new virus uh and indeed there are

00:52:49.720 people out there saying it's a disgrace that we don't develop vaccines faster um uh when you think

00:52:55.260 back to i i write about the whooping cough vaccine in my book which was um invented by two really

00:53:00.560 brilliant women in michigan in the 1930s uh and in about four years from start to finish now that

00:53:06.680 will be quite quick even today so how come it's so slow why is it that uh um that it's it's taking so

00:53:14.100 long to do this uh and um can i guess the answer is because we haven't put enough investment into

00:53:19.000 vaccine development we haven't been prioritizing it we've been looking in the wrong direction

00:53:22.800 obsessing about things like climate change as a threat to health instead of pandemics uh and

00:53:28.300 and wait do we lose him oh let's see if we can get him back on the line i i will tell you that i

00:53:37.280 would have guessed government oh yeah yeah you bet well yeah i would have bet i would have bet

00:53:41.560 government it was the biggest impediment uh on vaccines yeah we should get investment because

00:53:46.920 because he goes through this uh in the book as well as it relates to things like nuclear power

00:53:51.000 there's a certain level where there is so much um so much regulation and so much government

00:53:57.920 involve involvement that there is never a time in which the private sector can really even take it on

00:54:03.740 in a meaningful way so have you heard about what they're doing in idaho with nuclear power somebody

00:54:10.740 has come up with a a nuclear power uh device that can be completely self-contained uh cannot go into

00:54:20.780 meltdown it's very small it's the size of like a grain silo at a farm okay and they they cascade into

00:54:30.260 each other so one you know is is delivering energy and then it combines with the others and and it

00:54:37.060 makes enough power and they're saying now that this is a completely safe kind of of nuclear power because

00:54:46.220 it it it can't go into meltdown if something happens it just shuts off and it will never go into meltdown

00:54:52.240 because it's not big enough and they're just tying them together and they're supposedly doing a big test

00:54:58.420 on this uh soon up in uh uh up in uh in idaho really i find fascinating that's encouraging i know

00:55:07.100 i know matt goes into this in the book about nuclear power and i think matt's rejoining us now

00:55:11.880 um because it's it's we were talking matt as you were gone about the similarities between in some ways

00:55:17.860 vaccines and what you talked about with nuclear power and that there's at some level there becomes

00:55:22.340 so much government oversight and regulation but there's no real ability uh or or incentive for

00:55:28.980 anyone in the private sector to innovate in those in those fields right i i would have correct when

00:55:33.900 when yeah when you said that you know what's the biggest i wanted to guess because i thought it would

00:55:38.900 be government not lack of investment i thought it would be government well it often is and government

00:55:45.900 regulation gives you a huge hurdle to get over in anything medical you know medical devices take

00:55:52.420 uh four to five years to get approval in some countries that deters a lot of investment and

00:55:58.280 it's similar in vaccines a huge amount of safety regulation and others quite rightly uh but no company

00:56:04.620 is going to go through that if it can't make money out of the product at the end and it's something

00:56:08.800 similar in nuclear because the problem with nuclear is we we uh demand for the licensing of a nuclear

00:56:14.300 plant such enormously detailed specification of every nut and bolt in the thing many years in

00:56:20.580 advance and such hundreds of millions of dollars spent on getting the license that you then can't

00:56:26.080 change it you know if you change it you have to start all over again and so that deters the sort of

00:56:30.680 trial and error experimentation that is normal when you're building something that big to get it right

00:56:36.220 um and as a result that that that technology can't evolve it can't change it can't improve

00:56:41.340 um so it is a bit similar the vaccine and the nuclear story um big government regulation getting

00:56:47.340 in the way of the kind of experimentation and cheap uh work there's a very nice example though from the

00:56:53.300 gates foundation of how to fund vaccination in a way that does incentivize it and that is to to

00:56:59.340 dangle a prize and the prize is a sort of subsidized content to distribute the vaccine for

00:57:05.180 pneumococcus in the developing world and

00:57:07.620 jeez we've lost him again every time he talks about bill gates yeah this is this you see what's

00:57:15.260 happening you see what's government and bill gates all right we're going to take a quick break let's

00:57:19.480 see if we one more shot yeah three strikes and we're out here uh but uh we're trying awfully hard

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00:59:10.120 is it just how crappy england is

00:59:22.700 i mean what's wrong with this phone here's a guy who's like talking about innovation and uh

00:59:29.180 what is it this crappy cell service in england what is going on there's been no innovation when

00:59:34.180 it comes to international communication apparently uh it's not happened at all uh you know yeah

00:59:40.000 unfortunately you know the matt matt's connection is not working out here uh i would definitely

00:59:44.160 highly recommend the book though how innovation works i told him i think another title for it

00:59:48.980 could have been how civilization works because he basically tells the storyline of everything that

00:59:56.380 we do use and which makes our society civilized and how it all happened and so often glenn it's the

01:00:03.720 opposite of what al gore would tell you or whatever um you know whatever uh believe the science

01:00:09.980 uh doctrine you're getting from an msnbc where instead of you know the way they describe this

01:00:16.000 process would be okay you science comes up and they do the research government gives them uh the money

01:00:20.720 they do the research in some university they announce this big discovery and then yeah whatever

01:00:25.420 i guess then down the line you know uh the private sector takes it and makes it and commercializes it

01:00:31.340 or whatever it's actually the opposite over and over again where it's the it's the person

01:00:35.980 working in the field trial and error trying to figure out a problem and doing it before the

01:00:43.460 science can even explain it like where they were they the doer is the one with the innovation the

01:00:49.080 doer is the one who does the work and then the science can comes on the other side and says wow this

01:00:53.400 is why x y and z is occurring they work together well but it's not this world where we're serving at

01:01:00.120 the altar of every scientific expert and and that's what's designing our society so many times

01:01:05.880 everything from flight to vaccines to a million other things that he describes in the book in detail

01:01:11.280 disprove that story and it is i think an important thing for us to remember that it's not

01:01:16.820 we don't this isn't a top-down world the world when designed as a top-down sort of uh structure just

01:01:23.500 doesn't doesn't work and doesn't bring these innovations and i have to tell you there's another part

01:01:29.100 of the book i don't know if you've read the part about failure yet but yeah or you finish the book

01:01:32.960 but his his his support of failure is so refreshing yeah you know look what we're going through right

01:01:40.940 now honestly is a giant experiment this this pandemic idea was hatched a long time ago by uh government

01:01:51.580 officials and and and and others some with good intentions some with nefarious um and we're

01:01:59.020 trying something new uh let's try shutting the entire world down and see what happens if we

01:02:06.100 were actually honest we would then take the failures and the successes and we would compare the two and

01:02:15.020 we would say where did we fail where did we succeed but that's not happening do we have do we have ron

01:02:21.300 de santis telling the press off this is such a great example of of if you want to make progress

01:02:28.300 you have to address the truth listen to this so first of all okay so one she's not she's not a data

01:02:37.000 scientist she's somebody that's got degree in journalism communication and geography she is not

01:02:43.200 involved in collating any data she does not have the expertise to do that she is not an epidemiologist

01:02:48.760 she is not the the chief architect of our web portal that is another false statement and what

01:02:55.560 she was doing was she was putting data on the portal which the scientists didn't believe was valid data 0.58

01:03:01.720 so she didn't listen to the people who were her superior she had many people above her in the chain of

01:03:07.200 command um and so then said she was dismissed because of that and because of a bunch of different

01:03:12.160 reasons about how she did hmm seems that wasn't the one i was looking for was it seems like good

01:03:20.720 good reasoning though i will say uh yeah yeah no it's true it's true uh i think um you're going to

01:03:27.760 the because you were talking about the uh bringing into this try you know the the power of failure

01:03:32.580 the right right um and yeah one thing i was reading matt's book that i had never really thought about

01:03:39.020 before was the phrase trial and error never points to success it actually never it's not trial and error

01:03:46.660 and trial and success it's just trial and error it's so central to the way we develop these things that

01:03:52.380 that is the more important thing if you don't have the idea to go in the possibility of going out there

01:03:58.060 and screwing it up over and over and over again and ruling things out that does so much work not only for

01:04:03.100 you and what you're trying to invent or create but also down the line it eliminates other dead ends

01:04:10.180 for people trying to innovate after you here's the thing as well though uh as somebody who is trying

01:04:17.060 to learn how to paint um i have spent my whole life i taught myself how to paint and it's all trial and

01:04:24.720 error and it's just keep trying and failing and failing and failing and failing you get so frustrated

01:04:29.780 and then you know i went out and i hired a teacher to come in and help teach me some of the basic

01:04:38.320 principles now my trial and error is accelerated you it's all about anything good you're going to fail at

01:04:48.580 for most of at least the beginning you might fail on it your entire life this is the glenn beck program

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01:06:19.560 this is the glenbeck program uh we i want to play some audio that we played for you yesterday but i

01:06:32.980 think this is stunning uh it's about joe biden and the firing of victor shokin victor shokin was like

01:06:42.960 their attorney general over in the ukraine now we have told you that uh there was no there was no

01:06:52.400 real evidence against victor shokin being corrupt everyone says oh he's so corrupt he's so corrupt 0.55

01:06:58.480 well everybody was saying that uh you know uh trump was in bed with the russians everybody has been

01:07:05.760 saying that uh that general flynn was in bed with the russians we now know they knew there was no

01:07:14.180 evidence of that zero the fbi was trying to close the case and the obama administration kept it open

01:07:20.360 so we know how smears work but i want to play some audio that i think should be played every day

01:07:28.400 because we were told that the government of ukraine knew that he was corrupt everyone in ukraine knew

01:07:38.260 the president even knew that they were corrupt the president of ukraine uh knew that victor shokin was

01:07:44.640 corrupt and had to be fired well that doesn't seem to jive with this new audio this has been released

01:07:53.640 because of a court uh procedure over in uh ukraine where joe biden has now been named as a uh a suspect

01:08:05.400 in a crime of interference with the government of ukraine everything that we put out on the chalkboard

01:08:13.760 looks as though the evidence is pointing to it's going to be proven in a court of law and i want you to

01:08:22.480 listen to this audio the first piece is from uh john carrey we think he's on air force two and he is

01:08:31.740 calling uh proschenko he is the former president of ukraine and he's saying look uh joe biden is

01:08:40.740 coming over and he wants he wants this in this uh prosecutor fired and uh he is corrupt and we want him

01:08:50.340 fired i want you to listen carefully to what he's saying and more importantly what the president of the ukraine

01:08:58.160 who is in the pocket of russia and in the pocket of the obama administration what he says about victor shokin

01:09:08.180 but before vice president biden comes i just wanted to try to urge you to see if there's a way to get by this

01:09:17.840 problem of replacing the prosecutor general uh you know shokin because from my perception he's blocked

01:09:26.700 the cleanup of the prosecutor general's office and i know the vice president is very concerned about it

01:09:33.880 and i think it'd be good to try to have some resolution of that before the vice president comes

01:09:39.700 okay stop i want to pause it there for a second notice what he said he didn't he didn't say he's

01:09:46.540 corrupt he said he's blocked some of the progress on some of the other prosec uh on some of the

01:09:54.380 prosecution that we are interested in pursuing so first he's not making the corrupt he's saying he's

01:10:00.760 slowing the process down and joe biden wants him gone so can you do anything to uh to work past this

01:10:10.840 so we can get through because joe biden wants him replaced continue

01:10:16.580 oh is that all in that clip okay yeah play the next clip please yesterday i met me with the

01:10:27.700 general prosecutor shocking yeah despite of the fact that we didn't have any corruption charges we don't

01:10:36.040 have any information about the he's doing something wrong i especially asked him no it was day before

01:10:44.880 yesterday yesterday i especially asked him to resign in as a his position as a state person

01:11:01.280 and despite of the fact that he has a support in the power and as a finish of my

01:11:08.960 meeting with him he promised me to give me the statement on resignation and one hour ago he bring me the

01:11:26.160 written statement of his resignation great this is my second step for keeping my promises

01:11:37.680 okay okay i want you to listen i i stop i want you to listen to what he just said in spite of the fact

01:11:46.320 that we have no information of corruption that uh we have no indication that he's corrupt there are no

01:11:54.800 charges against him and he's popular with the people as a favor to you i've asked him to resign

01:12:05.360 now that's pretty explosive especially when joe biden is saying that everyone knew he was corrupt

01:12:17.700 the president proschenko just said right before joe biden was landing there is no evidence of corruption

01:12:28.160 we have no information on that but i called him in anyway as a favor to you now we also have evidence

01:12:38.560 we know that i believe it would do we have jason on with us jason is our head researcher jason are you

01:12:44.960 there yes sir i believe it was what two days before this phone call happened that he issued uh

01:12:52.640 uh a uh a warrant or uh he was going in to do searches and to uh call in uh witnesses against

01:13:03.600 burisma right it was two days before this yes and it was it was even greater than that this is when we

01:13:10.000 showed that document that you uh presented on one of your specials that came from the latvian government

01:13:14.720 that actually named hunter biden by name and said hey we've got these weird transfers through these like

01:13:20.640 shady money laundering channels um what's going on with this literally the next day they started

01:13:27.200 seizing the property of zlocheski and burisma and they were going to bring in hunter biden for

01:13:32.560 questioning the day after that's right then he gets called into this office then he gets i mean what's

01:13:37.600 funny is you got to think about what's going through uh porschenko's mind during the clip you just

01:13:42.240 played they had only hired shokin for a few months he had only been on the job for a few months

01:13:48.400 so the biden's saying you know he's been destroying that he's only been there for three

01:13:52.880 months three or four months he hadn't done anything wrong and the reason he was there

01:13:57.440 is because the last guy the last prosecutor general they hadn't before him he wouldn't

01:14:01.600 investigate zlochevsky so the entire like european community was like hey we got to replace the other

01:14:06.640 guy they bring in shokin the first thing he does is go after burisma and then biden freaks out 0.58

01:14:11.440 this is very very damn and and so you know zolachevsky is the guy who's with burisma he's 0.67

01:14:19.840 he's the guy and proschenko wants to go after uh zolachevsky because zolachevsky is not a fan of 0.92

01:14:28.720 russia porchenko the president is in bed with russia he's pro-russia uh burisma is run by people that are

01:14:36.880 anti-russia i mean it none of this makes sense and everyone needs to hear this audio because it

01:14:46.080 proves at least that there needs to be an investigation that this is not some conspiracy theory

01:14:54.160 it it doesn't prove absolutely positively you have to decide who's lying here is it us joe biden and

01:15:03.880 hunter biden it seems like he's really motivated john carrey says he wants him fired joe k uh uh uh

01:15:13.480 uh joe biden wants him uh fired and and he wants him fired when he's there it's exactly the same time

01:15:23.160 as the investigation into hunter biden is starting to uh heat up and they he's about to call hunter biden in

01:15:30.760 it looks awfully bad how do you explain this phone call if you're the media or you're joe biden or

01:15:38.480 you're anybody who's been saying this is a conspiracy theory how do you explain this you know how they'll

01:15:43.640 do it glenn and the incredible irony of this is that we just got finished uh with an impeachment it

01:15:49.300 was all based around a phone call with a quid pro quo and donald trump's defense was it was about

01:15:55.160 corruption i was trying to weed out corruption the ridiculous irony is that joe biden has now been

01:16:00.080 caught we even have the audio tape for the other one for uh donald trump's call uh with zelinski now

01:16:05.800 we have the audio we hear them talking about it they're talking about a quid pro quo and that will

01:16:10.940 be uh biden's you know his way out as oh this is just like donald trump i was talking about corruption

01:16:16.920 i was trying to get rid of corruption they couldn't prove that with no but that was their right but that

01:16:22.560 was their that was their excuse you have the president of ukraine saying we have no evidence

01:16:29.420 of corruption we have no information on corruption but as a favor to joe biden i guess i'll ask him to

01:16:37.580 resign i mean that's that's different than what you had with donald trump this is the guy was agreeing

01:16:45.580 with donald trump there's a problem in ukraine i know i've got to clean this up he agreed this guy

01:16:51.780 didn't agree and did it anyway because he wanted the billion dollars this is this is why it's so

01:16:58.660 important now to look at what the senate is doing and how they just subpoenaed blue star strategies

01:17:03.840 because if you want to go and make the case that there was something beyond corruption that it was

01:17:08.560 more about hunter biden and uh the protection of hunter biden blue star strategies is where you go

01:17:13.780 now blue star strategies remember blue stars yeah that's that's the pr firm that was hired by burisma

01:17:21.300 to convince america that there was nothing wrong right that's correct and they were lobbying the

01:17:27.760 entire time sending emails back and forth trying to say hey stop looking at hunter biden stop looking

01:17:32.900 at burisma and we actually uh we the blaze tv actually has a source uh that was involved with

01:17:40.600 blue star strategies uh also has a ukrainian source um we've been getting information that a lot of

01:17:46.900 information is going to come out through that senate uh subpoena um very very soon and we're actually

01:17:52.960 going to get some documents i believe before a lot of other people do so just stay tuned on that on

01:17:57.600 that front but a lot more is coming out so uh so jason the one thing that i've said stew you remember

01:18:04.440 when we were looking at the tides foundation and i told the researchers uh at the time and i've i know

01:18:12.000 i've said this to you jason but it is so clear right now that whatever the left says the right is doing

01:18:22.840 i can guarantee you they're doing it they just self-diagnose that you know they're the donald trump

01:18:31.960 is going to be a dictator well no you guys are actually being the dictator in covid everything

01:18:38.940 that they say the the right is doing everything they accuse it's because they're doing it they just

01:18:47.160 they either are using it to uh muddy the water or they just assume that everybody is that corrupt

01:18:55.320 that of course they'd be doing that because we're doing it i don't know what the reason is but they

01:19:01.040 always self-diagnose yeah um jason uh one one other thing what about the uh the charge stew just said

01:19:16.280 um you know well we don't know anything about i said that he says there's no corruption and he said

01:19:24.160 um how how did you phrase this stew there there are some stories out there well yeah i mean like and

01:19:32.240 we talked about a little bit about this uh jason uh last night when i was doing america um but there

01:19:37.160 was a uh there's the thought that you know the reason he would lie why would poroshenko say there's no

01:19:42.820 evidence of corruption well he's poroshenko's guy he's the corruption is on poroshenko's behalf

01:19:48.520 so therefore of course he's going to say there is no corruption

01:19:52.380 yeah i don't well the thing with the thing with um with uh with shokun is that there were

01:20:04.020 allegations that were were that were going around that a lot of the people that were involved were

01:20:09.780 saying like a lot of the a lot of the allegations were being floated around by soros groups by other

01:20:15.580 groups that um that had other ulterior agendas a lot of the media in the west especially the media

01:20:22.180 in the west just took those and ran for them and used that as kind of an alibi for everything that

01:20:26.300 the u.s state department for what joe biden um all of them what what they were doing um to uh show

01:20:33.020 regardless of here's the problem you can't right the problem is here and i'm sorry to cut you off

01:20:39.680 but we got to get to a network break uh the problem is we see what they've done to other people here at

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01:25:06.860 that program hello america and welcome to the program it is thursday i want to lead with this

01:25:15.540 uh scientists are now telling us we're all gonna die uh and i mean we could die by the end of the

01:25:21.760 summer uh looks like we could be looking at at least a quarter of a million deaths by the end of july

01:25:28.240 or not or not there's another study that says no not so much um but the good thing is is that we

01:25:35.720 have freedom of speech where we can debate these things and talk about these things you know until

01:25:42.300 google and uh and and twitter and facebook ban us from having that conversation because

01:25:49.360 the experts just know for instance the experts just know that if you're touching a contaminated surface

01:25:57.500 you're gonna get it uh except now the cdc has come out and said no not so much not so much so you gotta

01:26:05.760 know that you can get it by touching a cardboard box uh you know or plastic or not and i think we

01:26:12.360 all know now what the truth is uh also face masks remember face masks didn't work then we all have to

01:26:20.800 wear a mask and now scientists are saying well i'm not sure they're gonna really work that well

01:26:27.160 good news is we're all gonna die so we got that going for us what's the truth we have somebody who's 0.55

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01:28:29.480 so we had james rollins on uh what i think a couple of days ago he's written a book called

01:28:38.120 the last odyssey and i read it and loved it james is a is a friend a longtime friend and i haven't been

01:28:46.420 doing a lot of author interviews uh this one i asked james to come on uh because i read it and i

01:28:52.680 love his style of writing well while he was on he talked about uh a couple of other books that he wrote

01:28:58.900 about um about a pandemic and also about china and so he had some insight on that and i wanted to

01:29:07.240 spend some more time with him on it uh the problem is is when he was on i didn't ask him the name of

01:29:14.000 those books so i'm guessing that one of them is the demon crown uh crown uh which i just started

01:29:20.800 reading a couple of days ago and i love so please james tell me i'm reading the right book

01:29:25.080 the demon crown is all about uh strange parasitic wasps that invade us from asia which is you know

01:29:32.680 right now we're in the middle of the murder hornets so that is an issue okay it's okay so that but

01:29:38.500 that's not the one about the pandemic it's really i mean the you are so good it opens up let me just

01:29:45.280 let me just gush here for a second it opens up with the story of of the guy who started the

01:29:51.300 smithsonian is any of that stuff true about uh about his bones and everything else totally true

01:29:59.400 when you get to the end of the book there's a what's true what's not section and i'm going to

01:30:02.960 strip away and you're going to find exactly how much of that book is true it's pretty fun that's

01:30:06.700 what i love to do with my my fiction is to i know to give these little details you have to stop

01:30:13.040 calling it fiction i i your books and and brad thor is like this as well it's faction it's it's fact and

01:30:20.900 fiction mixed together which is so great um so james what is the book that you did research on

01:30:26.360 because you did a book on pandemic and i wanted to talk to you about the things that you learned

01:30:31.400 doing the research yep uh and basically you know i i have a lot of uh it's not opinions i think what

01:30:38.320 i'm going to reveal over this next hour is going to shock some people um it's going to you know scare

01:30:44.380 the bejesus out of a few people but hopefully on a hopeful note um and why should you be taught why

01:30:50.540 should i why should you listen to me you know we thriller writers you know we're we love to think

01:30:57.080 outside the box you mentioned brad brad's a friend of mine too he participated in the department

01:31:03.100 of homeland security's uh analytic red cell unit i believe it's called uh where they brought a group

01:31:08.680 of writers to brainstorm about terrorist scenarios well now we're in covid and you know this is my

01:31:14.900 wheelhouse because besides being a thriller writer i'm also a veterinarian and that's what's my mind

01:31:19.760 yeah so that's where i started out uh before i was right i was a veterinarian for 15 years

01:31:24.840 and you know we veterinarians we study zoonotic diseases diseases that pass from animals to humans

01:31:30.300 and so you know i don't just like to think outside the box i like to search outside the box

01:31:35.700 uh so i get those interesting details in a book that i'm going to surprise you with

01:31:39.480 i'm always looking for that and i'm surprised what people will tell me as a as you know i'll

01:31:43.600 preface an interview with a scientist or historian say hey you know i'm a new york times best-selling

01:31:48.100 author i'm working on this book would you answer a few questions off the record

01:31:51.460 and i'm surprised what they will tell me you know general the neutral codes are what let me get my pen

01:31:56.600 and paper um right right just give a couple bona fides here is that you know the book that dealt with

01:32:04.000 the the uh a pandemic my viral pandemic book is a book called the seventh plague that dealt with uh

01:32:10.460 uh the return of the biblical plagues big action adventure novel so i'm already somewhat steeped in

01:32:16.520 viral viral uh pandemic situations and then glenn you had me my show on your show um

01:32:21.680 2015 i believe for the bone labyrinth and that book dealt with chinese laughs and when i was doing my

01:32:30.360 searching outside the box for that book i you know it was revealed that there was serious safety

01:32:35.160 and work standard issues in chinese labs now after we had our talk back uh in 2015 back in 2018 there

01:32:43.040 was a big expose uh in i believe it was the uh uh the wall street journal about uh the fact that

01:32:50.760 there are lack standards in these chinese labs and then you know so again what what happens now we find 0.76

01:32:58.060 out that you know something came possibly loose from from from the from the wuhan institute which

01:33:03.340 i like to talk about in just a second i'll give you basically what i'd like to do today is talk about

01:33:06.700 where this came from because i know where this i know where this virus came from from doing my

01:33:11.740 research and talking to some scientists i i know what we did wrong and right in the past i know what

01:33:16.420 we need to be doing now i know what you need what the future is going to look like so give you an

01:33:21.180 example just to prove let's get to it i'm not talking about that on my phone now i'm happy to send you a

01:33:25.740 photo a little uh you know screenshot of my phone back in march i was about to begin my book tour

01:33:30.940 and the pandemic was beginning to just to arise here in the states things are beginning to close

01:33:36.360 down i lost my book tour and but i was still doing some flying just before everything was closing down

01:33:41.700 i thought gosh you know better be prepared for this uh so i i i went and did some research i talked

01:33:46.880 to some scientists i thought you know what if i get sick what do i want them to give me

01:33:51.340 so i did some research i found out that there actually is a antiviral drug produced by gilead

01:33:58.160 sciences it was developed back in 2009 they developed it actually to treat hepatitis c did

01:34:04.040 not work but they found out just by chance it works against coronavirus so i thought well that's

01:34:08.820 interesting is anybody using it so i talked to some doctor friends of mine i said you know is anybody

01:34:14.920 using this drug yeah if they are what's the success rate with it and i found out yeah that a handful

01:34:19.900 of doctors were using this drug and they were having good success with it so that's cool so in

01:34:24.320 my little phone i wrote remdesivir i put it on my phone i'm never intubated if i'm never

01:34:29.680 hospitalized i can't communicate i want to pick up my phone scroll past candy crush get to my notes

01:34:35.720 section and points give me this drug so i thought well like you know i've done my thinking outside

01:34:39.800 the box i searched out the box you know i'm prepared but i was expecting you know i kept waiting

01:34:46.560 week after week why is no one talking about remdesivir you know we're hearing about hydroxychloroquine

01:34:51.100 we're hearing about other other vaccines blah blah blah no one's talking about remdesivir until about

01:34:56.540 two weeks ago then all of a sudden everybody's talking about oh remdesivir is going to probably

01:35:01.000 be the big major drug to treat this but i knew this back in march two two months ago just because

01:35:07.120 i searched outside the box right so i am going to talk about some other things i've learned from

01:35:13.480 searching out the box if you'll bear with me yes okay so let me take a quick break for a minute

01:35:18.900 and then i'll come back and then you start and uh and tell us what you found tell us we really want

01:35:25.540 to know um you know what the future holds what we're doing wrong what we're doing right uh we have uh

01:35:32.560 james rollins on author of the last odyssey which is disconnected from this entirely but it is really a

01:35:38.800 great book and you should read it we'll continue in one minute let me tell you about

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01:36:55.740 all right james james rollins author of the last odyssey uh tell us the research that you uh did

01:37:13.720 for uh your book on the pandemic well actually the book i i'm just finishing is that's coming out next

01:37:21.580 march is called the savage zone and it's all about viruses so i was already sort of neck deep

01:37:25.840 in research and viral research when this uh outbreak occurred i had virologists on my my speed dial

01:37:32.220 immunologists because i was doing my research and when this broke out i thought oh i need to tweak my

01:37:37.100 story you know i can't write a viral story that comes out next year without incorporating the

01:37:42.300 covid situation yes so i went back and i you know i reconsulted them because i wanted to find out

01:37:46.840 what i needed to do to tweak you know basically self-serving i need to make sure my novel was

01:37:50.700 correct but at the same time i found out some interesting things that is not being released

01:37:54.880 to the media and i'll give you one example you know if we're going to understand where we're headed

01:37:58.380 we need to know where it started and there's a lot of you know theories about where did this virus

01:38:06.100 originate was it in the wet markets of wuhan was it from the the lab is it a bioengineered

01:38:12.200 weapon you know the thrill writer it's titillating exciting to think that this is a bioengineered

01:38:16.920 weapon um but as a veterinarian looking at the scientific papers talking to the scientists i

01:38:21.000 know uh ones that were looking at the genome of this virus it's that's not i do not believe this

01:38:25.320 was genetically manipulated i don't think it's a bioengineered weapon uh whenever you genetically

01:38:30.280 manipulate something you leave fingerprints uh it's like pasting someone's head on a body in a photo

01:38:35.180 or videos deep fakes they look real but a photo expert can look for those glitches those little signs

01:38:40.560 that reveal the falseness and they did that and so i'm satisfied this is not a bioengineered weapon

01:38:46.400 this wasn't leaked was it leaked out of the lab maybe we talked before like i said before about the

01:38:52.700 the lax conditions and safety and work standards in chinese facilities it's possible 1.00

01:38:56.600 so again i again i'm going to do my research when i wrote the seventh plague

01:39:02.900 in the bone labyrinth i had a series of doctors in china that were willing to talk to me so i'm going

01:39:09.620 to call one of these up because all this kind of you know what is really going on in that lab

01:39:13.040 you know is it did this you know bat that ended up transmitting this to the world did it start in 0.96

01:39:18.920 the wet lab or did i mean started the wet market did it start in the lab

01:39:21.740 and i'm not going to name the scientist because otherwise i think they're going to end up in an unmarked grave

01:39:27.180 but uh she told me he or she told me i don't want to make a very bad spot by the way

01:39:33.180 she told me that no uh she did not believe it leaked because it is a biosafety 4 lab lab but what

01:39:39.640 she believes happened and what a lot of the scientists in in wuhan or the people in wuhan believe

01:39:44.640 is that that bat was sold to the wet market from the lab is that they were doing this lab specializes 0.61

01:39:54.280 in research and coronavirus and they do research on bat coronaviruses and there was that article in

01:40:00.000 2018 talking about the the safety conditions in these bat coronavirus research labs at in wuhan

01:40:06.260 and they bring in a lot of bats because i need subject material but they don't use all the bats so

01:40:11.260 oftentimes these bats end up being sold and so what she believes happened or he or she believes

01:40:15.860 happened is that this this these bats were sold from the lab to the wet market

01:40:21.000 and i think that's important we need to know exactly where this virus came from to understand

01:40:28.300 where we need to go with this uh why bats you know why are bats such vectors for disease well bats are

01:40:35.140 flying mammals they're pretty much the only mammal that flies and to be able to for a mammal to be

01:40:43.780 able to fly they're they're basically have to have a supercharged metabolic engine you know bats need to

01:40:49.880 consume about 1200 mosquito-sized insects every hour to fuel that jet engine but now that jet engine

01:40:56.380 burns so hot and it basically supercharges a bat's immune system and it's that immune system that 1.00

01:41:02.840 keeps that viral load in check and that's very important if we're going to understand this

01:41:07.460 disease because this disease is not so much about the virus it's about the immune system

01:41:11.660 now you know just give me an example bats are vectors for rabies again me being a veterinarian

01:41:18.780 very conscious of the fact that you need to be careful with with bats because you get bit you can

01:41:22.920 potentially get rabies even though the bat might not be sick they're able to hold rabies in check with 0.97

01:41:27.580 this super immune system now what happens if you stress out a bat that's that super immune system 0.99

01:41:34.100 breaks down the virus multiplies so when you have these bats that are caged in a wet lab or caged in

01:41:39.920 and being shipped to a to a lab in uh in wuhan you're having very stressed bats the virus overloads

01:41:46.680 it's released into this market where then it spreads so that's what i believe happened is that

01:41:52.280 there was bats that were sold from this lab that ended up in the wet market they were stressed out

01:41:57.600 immune systems were weakened that's what created this whole mess so so james is this also you say

01:42:05.760 that they are supercharged immune systems um it seems as though uh humans and i believe it was like this

01:42:14.620 in 1918 as well it's actually short-circuiting and making our immune system uh uh go into overcharge

01:42:23.920 mode exactly you hit the nail on the head and not a lot of people are talking about the fact that

01:42:30.000 the deadliness of this virus is not necessarily from from the virus particle itself it's from our

01:42:35.740 body's reaction you know there's a talk about you know are we in a war would they use that war

01:42:40.800 metaphor for what we're in and i i don't think that's correct i think what we need to consider

01:42:44.920 this so that we're in a siege you know we right now we have no natural immunity against the virus

01:42:49.940 we have little or no treatment we have no vaccines it's our bodies our cities our countries are

01:42:55.700 basically defenseless castles and we're surrounded by an army that's entrenched around us and as we go

01:43:01.300 forward this during this talk we sort of have to accept that there's no path forward there's no

01:43:04.700 strategy that doesn't involve people dying uh we just have to accept the fact that we're we're in a

01:43:10.280 in this siege and there's going to be there's going to be casualties with this right but how

01:43:14.800 you know where are we going to end up you know if the virus wins humans go extinct not going to

01:43:20.020 happen this it's not that this virus is not that fatal you know just say uh before i got in your

01:43:26.420 program i was looking at the news that we're at this milestone of crossing uh where we have five

01:43:32.640 million cases being reported right and 328 000 deaths now the headlines are you know grisly grim

01:43:42.400 yeah my opinion i'm like great i'm glad that there's 55 million cases out there um right i don't want the

01:43:51.760 headlines read james rollins wants everyone to die uh but it's good news and i don't i think that number

01:43:57.380 is a lot higher because again any any again i'm an expert but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to

01:44:02.240 go well it's 325 000 deaths and there's 5 million cases let's do the math yeah that would indicate

01:44:08.620 that the mortality rate is 6.5 percent if you take those two numbers you take 325 which is very high

01:44:14.780 6.5 percent the virus is not that deadly uh you know all you won't find an epidemiologist that's

01:44:20.520 going to say the mortality rate that's high so if it's not if that's the numbers they're showing us in

01:44:24.920 in the the news today then the case is a lot more cases that that are undiagnosed which is again i

01:44:31.000 think is great and i'll tell you why uh because right now we're in what i call the simmering pot

01:44:37.700 i've used this described to some friends of mine is that you know to win the siege we're going to need

01:44:43.480 some defensive and offensive weapons you know the offense offensive weapons you know when we take the

01:44:48.760 battle to the virus that's going to be treatment defensive that means population level

01:44:54.840 immunity control herd immunity that everybody talks about either through natural transmission

01:44:58.480 or vaccine so where are we going to go from here you know we've already done the social distancing

01:45:04.860 flattening the curve i'm surprised i have any hair on my head by the way is i keep pulling my hair

01:45:10.660 out like why is no one talking about right you know i kept hearing and you'll you'll you'll see it

01:45:15.800 on newsprint say the more you social distance right sooner things will get back to normal

01:45:20.420 that is so wrong no the opposite actually is true by social distancing we're only slowing down the

01:45:29.620 inevitable social distancing only by time so so james i've i've got less than a minute here so i'm up

01:45:37.500 against the network break but let me say this i've been saying since the beginning of this this is a

01:45:43.660 virus we are all going to get it at one point or another we're still getting the pandemic spanish flu

01:45:51.740 of 1918 every year a version of it this is not going away and by by us saying that we can't unlock the

01:46:00.540 doors until uh we have a cure is true insanity i'd like to hear your comments on that and and what's

01:46:08.680 coming and what you think we should be doing coming up in just a minute james rollins is the glenn beck

01:46:14.140 program all right so we've been hearing from people that you know paul singer has said the market could

01:46:22.200 get cut in half and i think that's true you know i i've i don't have any money in the stock market right

01:46:28.720 now for a reason and that is i i'm i'm not privy to what the fed is buying and this isn't about

01:46:35.120 companies or anything else this is about what the fed is choosing to buy uh and i don't think that's

01:46:41.100 a good uh good recipe for uh wealth and a stable free market system you're also hearing from people

01:46:49.460 like jb jp morgan uh and chase and and also goldman sachs that they believe that gold will be at three

01:46:56.540 thousand dollars an ounce next year i hope to god they're wrong because at three thousand dollars an

01:47:02.960 ounce the world is in chaos absolute chaos i just bought more gold because i do believe that the

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01:47:36.080 welcome to the glennbeck program uh just a program note uh i am going on vacation uh today i will be

01:47:54.460 back uh in a week and uh we will we have a lot of great stuff uh that our research department is

01:48:01.340 going to be working on while i'm away and you're not going to want to miss an episode uh and stew's

01:48:06.380 going to be filling in for me so i mean and pat whatever it's the best it's the best we can do

01:48:11.980 that'll save it all right um all right uh we go back to james rollins uh who is uh with us he's a

01:48:18.620 fiction writer he's his latest book is the last odyssey it's great you'll love it um but we're

01:48:24.100 talking about research that he did uh because he's written a couple of books and he's writing a new

01:48:29.080 one for next year um on pandemic and viruses so james let me just go um what the swedes did

01:48:37.560 was what we used to do uh what we did quite honestly in 1968 with the hong kong flu we just

01:48:45.700 went on with our lives and we got we we have herd immunity and it's the combination of herd immunity

01:48:52.440 and vaccines that help us live with these things but we're not we're going the opposite direction so

01:48:58.460 which one's right well basically when we're when we're doing the social distancing we were following

01:49:03.560 the chinese method which was trying to strictly quarantine this and trying to control it that way

01:49:08.440 but as i mentioned before we were just delaying the inevitable and i can't say it's wrong because i

01:49:13.000 think by having a short-term shutdown that you know we were protecting the health care system

01:49:18.180 we're allowing them buying them time to build hospital capacity we're not doing that ventilators

01:49:22.460 i think we were all we all were on board for that but now we're not we're past that we're past

01:49:30.460 totally wrong we're totally wrong if i if i've been in control which i should have been is we should

01:49:35.460 only be in lockdown for two two weeks that's it and it should have said by this date we're opening up

01:49:40.980 again because i think people need that hat to hang on that you know we're good this is going to end

01:49:44.800 on this date rather than this nebulous we don't know what's going to happen it's confusing different

01:49:49.440 states different things no two weeks lockdown get our ducks in a row open back up and now that the

01:49:57.280 swedes skipped that first step they didn't feel a need that they needed to lock down i think they

01:50:01.460 were confident with their health care system and and they could jump right into the what i call a

01:50:04.940 simmering pot they jump right into where we need to be i don't want to imply that uh that uh the

01:50:10.640 swedes are you know out there having this you know huge you know parties and festivals and going crazy

01:50:14.960 they did some simple cautionary things and this is what i this is what i recommend that we need to

01:50:18.900 look for while we're in the simmering pot and we're going to be here unfortunately a while what the

01:50:23.860 swedes were doing simple things if you can work from home work from home wash your hands avoid

01:50:29.100 non-essential travel they they were restricting gatherings to 50 people or or less uh they were

01:50:35.180 saying if you're over 70 yeah maybe we're going to ask you to self i'm not going to say you have to

01:50:39.100 self-isolate we're going to ask you to self-isolate but we are banning visitors from senior care homes

01:50:45.080 very simple things very logical things that make sense it's been working great they're developing

01:50:49.880 herd immunity very very rapidly we need to do that but they are but the numbers hang on let me ask

01:50:57.040 stew for the stats on on sweden because the the numbers are not looking good for sweden well yeah

01:51:04.440 it's been there's been some mixed uh results i would say but i mean yeah i think that it kind

01:51:09.520 of fits with the point you're making james on on you know we're all going to get this eventually

01:51:13.520 anyway and they're trying to speed it up i mean there's certainly the argument on the other side of

01:51:17.660 you know if we do come up with an innovation you're going to be upset that you'd you sped it up but

01:51:23.260 there you know that is definitely something where you know when we're talking about something that's

01:51:28.160 that that's affecting this many people you know there but there are we can try all these different

01:51:32.960 approaches but it's it's gonna it's gonna cause its problems no matter what right and james i mean

01:51:37.920 yeah i don't i don't understand this right and i don't understand this vaccine thing we we don't stop

01:51:47.000 the flu i mean this is a coronavirus we're not going this thing is already mutated it's going to

01:51:53.680 continue to mutate for the rest of of human existence most likely so i don't understand this

01:52:00.360 this idea that we're going to come up with something that's going to knock this out and it's going to be

01:52:04.460 gone is that possible no we're going to be in this for a long haul and regardless of the vaccine

01:52:11.700 don't count on it uh there was that moderna study that was just done uh published last week that

01:52:17.080 caused the stock market to go up a thousand points i don't understand why it did that except that was

01:52:21.360 based on optimism it was based on eight cases eight people that showed a little bit of an antibody

01:52:26.000 response to the vaccine so what now again i'm pulling from my veterinary background there is a

01:52:32.400 corona vaccine for dogs but it only works against the gi the enteric form of the disease there is also a

01:52:38.360 respiratory coronavirus that affects dogs we don't have a vaccine against that we still have not to

01:52:42.360 be able to be able to do that the human cold is a coronavirus still no vaccine right and even so

01:52:51.640 so what do we look at that point are you what do we talk about antibodies versus protective antibodies

01:52:56.460 how long are those antibodies going to stick around uh if a vaccine that's successful it's going to

01:53:00.980 take you know to produce billions of these of these vaccines and then we have to distribute them so

01:53:05.680 we're talking about a long long time before we're going to get to that and and even then it's a

01:53:11.840 limited success it's going to help it's a good crutch but what's going to be more important is again

01:53:17.320 that herd immunity is a combination of herd immunity and vaccination that's going to probably pull us

01:53:21.920 through this but you're not going to be you're not going to vaccinate our way out of this all by

01:53:26.040 itself we're going to have to have a significant amount of herd immunity before that happens

01:53:29.820 so we need to get to that point we need to welcome limited transmission so when are we going to

01:53:36.920 when do you predict that we are going to have a treatment and and a a reasonable plan how long is it

01:53:45.440 going to take us if things all fell into place you know i've got my my next book comes out next march

01:53:52.280 if you have me back on your program i'm going to make a bet with you we will not have a vaccine by

01:53:57.040 next march if i'm not going to bet against that okay well i'm not going to i'm not going to have

01:54:03.400 you do it if i'm wrong i'll put a thousand dollars towards a charity of your of your choosing if if

01:54:08.720 there's a vaccine before next march but what i will tell you a little bit of optimism again talking to

01:54:14.040 scientists talking to epidemiologists talking to some some doctors i've talked some immunologists

01:54:19.420 i believe by late summer early fall there's going to be a decent treatment regimen and it's going to be

01:54:25.980 two part one is going to be an antiviral drug to knock down the virus and i think it's going to be

01:54:30.420 some version of remdesivir if not remdesivir itself some some slightly modified version of that

01:54:35.780 and also it's going to be an immunosuppressive drug uh because that is what's really killing us

01:54:42.040 you know one third of the people that die of covid don't die because the virus has damaged their lungs

01:54:47.960 they die because of what's called a cytokine storm this overreaction of your immune system

01:54:53.800 basically that your body burns the house down to try to get rid of this bug and so most of the

01:54:58.700 deaths are caused by this over uh this this uh overreaction by your body so a part two of the

01:55:06.080 drug cocktail that's going to possibly be out here by late summer early fall for talking to the

01:55:10.000 scientists i've been talking to we'll see and right now they're actually testing immunosuppressive

01:55:14.080 drugs uh and doing uh so hopefully by late summer we'll have a combination of an antiviral and

01:55:19.000 immunosuppressive drug that will again i don't think it's going to be the cure-all cure-all end of

01:55:25.320 the matter but it's going to definitely help reduce the number of deaths so it's amazing james as i was

01:55:31.840 looking at this at the very beginning i started doing research on you know 1918 pandemic i started

01:55:37.360 reading some of the stuff that i'd read years ago uh and that was the second phase of the pandemic when

01:55:43.540 it came back in the fall they the doctors were horrified didn't know at first what was going on

01:55:50.300 but it was that i don't know how to pronounce it but that storm you were talking about yep um that it

01:55:55.980 was just blowing everybody's immune system up and that's what was killing people so quickly

01:56:00.620 and and we know it now we all know it now um all right so i'm optimistic that by the fall

01:56:09.740 will have a treatment you know a year possibly even longer a vaccine but i wouldn't count on that

01:56:15.380 i would count on herd immunity okay so james one of the things i like about fiction writers is you guys

01:56:22.160 do your own your your own research if fiction has got to make sense truth can i mean you couldn't write

01:56:29.720 what's happening in the last two years in america and sell this thing 10 years ago that nobody would

01:56:35.380 believe it um and so right and fiction has got to make sense so you've got to have your facts down

01:56:42.780 and think logically um tell me on the action adventure side of you what you think we're headed towards

01:56:54.960 when we have no trust of the media no real authoritative voices uh a a digital sector that is

01:57:05.220 now working with the government to monitor to spy to whatever you want to call it drones in the sky

01:57:12.740 you have governors that are paying no attention to their citizens they're paying no attention to

01:57:20.120 anything reasonable like you've been talking about here uh and they seem to be going for a power grab

01:57:27.180 you have men members of congress that are openly saying that now's the time to pass the green new deal

01:57:33.880 etc etc where are we headed uh as a society it seems disastrous well first of all i think we should

01:57:43.760 always question the experts and behind the scenes i've talked to epidemiologists and most of them say

01:57:49.240 we don't know what's happening so you cannot put your trust in institutions and in some of these

01:57:57.060 these these these experts out there we need we're not control but we're not right but we're not that's

01:58:05.220 that's the thing that i really wonder um you know we have we have probably a 25 to 30 percent unemployment

01:58:13.120 rate we are just killing the entrepreneur the small business person that in the in the great

01:58:20.500 recession created 80 percent of all new jobs we're just killing them nobody's listening there is there

01:58:29.880 is just trouble on the horizon how do we keep things calm how do we weather this storm

01:58:35.140 i think the key to doing that is is recognizing that we have to let people take charge

01:58:43.260 we need to limit government you know right now you know i'm in nevada but i'm right on the border

01:58:49.520 with california and they have a insatiable appetite for regulatory micromanagement and we're not going

01:58:55.320 to micromanage way our way out of the situation we need to let people take charge you know businesses

01:59:00.160 know best how to take care of businesses they you know at this point it's important that we protect

01:59:05.500 the vulnerable but we need to recognize that you know there's individual risk tolerance you know

01:59:10.540 if when it comes to wearing face masks uh you know yes i think face masks are important but we

01:59:17.660 have to recognize that certain individuals have different risk tolerances we need to consider the

01:59:21.600 costs uh schools for example they should be open you know at this point the the should be open

01:59:27.600 younger population is not vulnerable uh the british medical lancet journal said that only 48 people

01:59:33.800 out of the first 35 000 deaths were under the age of 25 that only 0.04 percent required hospitalization

01:59:40.420 there's no reason schools shouldn't be open there's no reason small businesses shouldn't be open

01:59:44.420 we've basically shot ourselves in the foot by overreacting basically what our bodies are doing this

01:59:50.080 over immune response that's burning down the house we're doing it politically we're burning down

01:59:56.360 this country in an attempt to think that we're doing good is there anybody in the world that's not

02:00:03.940 burning are we all in the same boat burning the entire world down to the ground far as

02:00:10.760 economies is there anybody who is not doing this well i mean you look at the swedes i think they're 1.00

02:00:18.560 the perfect example of where we need to be they jump right into the simmering pot that's where we need 0.52

02:00:23.500 to be we need to follow their example we don't need to reinvent the wheel you know we see what the

02:00:28.060 swedes are doing yes there's more deaths because of course there's going to be more deaths because

02:00:31.140 they've waded out of their castles into that that that entrenched army but we're going to we're all

02:00:36.240 going to have to do that and they did it early and yes there's been more deaths but at the same time

02:00:41.660 they're not destroying their country james rollins thank you so much i appreciate it you can follow

02:00:47.800 james at james rollins.com his latest book uh is the uh the last odyssey which is great if you've never

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02:01:02.120 up reading all of them uh he he tells fascinating stories that mix history with today they're just

02:01:10.200 they're fantastic you're one of my favorite writers james thanks for being on and uh you bet we'll talk

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02:02:56.500 this is the glenbeck program

02:03:01.440 this is uh the glenbeck program welcome uh to the uh program now um you know it's right before i go

02:03:16.420 on vacation there's a couple of stories that i've we just haven't gotten to that i really want to

02:03:20.800 uh the did you see the two guys that went into uh went into uh rob a rob a store and uh were wearing

02:03:31.080 watermelon masks did you see this it's a good good idea i mean uh you say you know you're recycling

02:03:38.700 right i mean you're hopefully you've had a good meal uh you know or maybe a little dessert and you

02:03:45.020 cut that watermelon in half you got half for your partner half for you you just cut out eye holes in

02:03:50.220 the watermelon and that's what they were wearing i don't know if anybody saw this but what was

02:03:54.900 interesting to me is what they were charged with uh they were charged with now think of this in

02:04:01.880 covid19 they were charged with wearing a mask while committing a larceny so let me pretty much

02:04:13.680 anybody now uh you know if you if you do something wrong immediately remove your mask or you'll get

02:04:22.880 extra time for wearing a mask not really the message we want to send right now no i've been telling you

02:04:29.140 the government they'll get they'll make you into a criminal one way or another one way or another

02:04:33.720 can watermelons protect against covid19 uh i don't know but i'm going to make a watermelon mask

02:04:39.340 because it sounds delicious uh i'll see you in about a week going on vacation god bless stay safe

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The Glenn Beck Program - May 21, 2020

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