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00:01:10.560 Glenn Beck.

00:01:13.920 I feel a little like I did in 2007.

00:01:17.020 And for anybody who has been listening to me for a long time, you hopefully remember, you know, what that felt like and what we don't want to face again.

00:01:29.740 We are headed toward real economic trouble, and we have a window of time to accomplish an awful lot of things.

00:01:39.660 Let's start with tariffageddon here.

00:01:42.080 It's not going away.

00:01:43.300 The tariffs, I don't know what this is, but it's not helpful.

00:01:50.660 We have been so fixated on the never-ending stream of breaking news that we are not seeing now the major economic storm that is coming, and it is already over the horizon.

00:02:01.040 We are in a trade war, and I don't think we've begun to see the full effects of the fallout yet.

00:02:07.480 This war has just started.

00:02:10.200 The bombs have barely begun to drop, and we're about to start seeing the casualties.

00:02:16.320 And, unfortunately, we are scrambling more fighters.

00:02:21.220 Let's not forget what tariffs really are, America.

00:02:24.700 America, they are not hurting or punishing the Chinese government.

00:02:32.140 They're not.

00:02:33.040 They're not hurting or punishing the European Union or Canada.

00:02:37.300 They are hurting you.

00:02:39.860 Because tariffs actually would be more aptly described with another T word, and that is tax.

00:02:48.200 It is a tax on you, and there is nothing conservative about this policy.

00:02:54.700 This is about as progressive and big government as you get.

00:02:59.140 Ronald Reagan said it best.

00:03:01.080 Quote, government's view of the economy would be summed up in a few short phrases.

00:03:05.520 If it moves, tax it.

00:03:06.840 If it keeps moving, regulate it.

00:03:09.080 And if it stops moving, subsidize it.

00:03:12.340 When the Trump administration's tariffs hurt America's farmers,

00:03:16.820 he subsidized with $12 billion in handouts.

00:03:21.960 This is not the American way.

00:03:25.820 They never needed a handout before this ridiculous trade war began.

00:03:30.320 Now they're being forced to live off the government, to rely on the government,

00:03:36.080 to continue their own business.

00:03:38.600 There is nothing conservative about any of this.

00:03:42.120 Now, according to the Tax Foundation, this trade war will result in nearly 300,000 jobs lost.

00:03:50.560 Yesterday, General Motors, the nation's largest car company, announced dramatic downsizing,

00:03:57.680 halting production at multiple plants and closing them in the U.S. and Canada.

00:04:03.660 Over 8,000 white-collar jobs are being eliminated.

00:04:08.360 More than 6,000 factory jobs gone.

00:04:11.760 Over 14,000 people in total will lose their livelihoods.

00:04:16.580 Oh, and did I mention that back in July, GM announced that the administration's trade war would cost the company $1 billion.

00:04:26.440 Now let's stick with American cars for just a second.

00:04:29.580 News from Tesla came out this morning.

00:04:31.880 They have announced their sales in China have fallen 70%.

00:04:37.780 Why?

00:04:40.820 Because we're in a trade war.

00:04:43.500 And China is taxing the crap out of everything American.

00:04:48.140 70% market share in the world's largest emerging market?

00:04:54.580 Are we insane?

00:04:56.640 Elon Musk said he's now weeks away.

00:04:59.620 Just a few weeks away of bad sales before they close the doors.

00:05:06.980 Apple also had its stock in free fall.

00:05:10.580 20% over the last three months.

00:05:13.260 As of this morning, they lost another 2%.

00:05:16.160 Why?

00:05:17.460 Because the president told the Wall Street Journal that he's considering slapping a tariff on iPhones.

00:05:22.620 If you want to buy an iPhone, you might want to buy one right now, because you may not be able to afford one soon.

00:05:31.580 President said we can all afford an extra 10% on our iPhone.

00:05:37.600 No, Mr. President, we can't.

00:05:41.760 Tariffs as they stand right now are bad, but it looks like they're going to go even higher.

00:05:47.540 But right now, they're costing Americans over $40 billion.

00:05:53.040 That is more money than Obamacare's tax bill of $34 billion.

00:05:57.920 That is $915 for every American.

00:06:02.420 $2,400 per household.

00:06:05.500 And if the tariffs stay in place, it will cost you $17,300 by 2030.

00:06:13.240 Tariffs are a tax, and they are a tax on you.

00:06:19.400 Americans are already starting to lose their jobs.

00:06:22.940 Please, Mr. President, please stop with the tariffs.

00:06:28.720 The workers of America are begging you.

00:06:33.300 Stop with the tariffs.

00:06:39.360 It's Tuesday, November 27th.

00:06:42.760 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:06:45.500 It's only going to get worse with layoffs.

00:06:49.000 There's a couple of things that are going on right now.

00:06:53.120 If you look, the top-selling sedans in America, the Camry, the Honda Civic, the Honda Accord, Toyota Corolla,

00:07:02.200 the Nissan Altima, the Sentra, and they're all Japanese.

00:07:07.460 Americans are not buying sedans anymore from GM and from American car companies.

00:07:17.120 So what are they going to do?

00:07:19.740 The president says you have to keep these jobs here.

00:07:22.280 You better open those plants back up.

00:07:24.000 Since when do we want the federal government mandating what companies do?

00:07:31.860 We don't want that.

00:07:34.360 So we have a problem that nobody is buying American sedans anymore.

00:07:38.320 Okay, so the car companies do what they should do, and that is retool.

00:07:44.500 Let's make sure we're going to concentrate on trucks and SUVs because that's what we sell.

00:07:50.280 Okay, sounds like a good business plan.

00:07:53.400 If I have stock in GM, I'm probably okay with this move.

00:07:58.860 If I'm working at GM, I'm not cool with this move.

00:08:03.300 But if I want GM to continue, I want them to cut expenses so we don't have to bail them out again or they close their doors.

00:08:12.040 The problem is the largest shareholder of GM is the labor union.

00:08:18.320 What are they going to do as a shareholder?

00:08:23.320 What are they going to do?

00:08:25.200 So American car makers can't compete, and we're giving up that segment of the market.

00:08:31.200 Now, more job losses are probably coming, and not from necessarily GM.

00:08:38.420 But right now, we are producing 3.4 million vehicles per year than we need.

00:08:46.500 We are producing too many vehicles.

00:08:51.980 GM is about 1 million of that 3.2.

00:08:57.860 So that means if factories run their most efficient when they're at top performance, reduce the size of the factories.

00:09:07.380 Also, these steel tariffs have cost the industry billions of dollars, roughly $700 million in higher prices at GM alone.

00:09:17.840 They said a billion dollars.

00:09:20.160 The number is probably closer to $700 billion.

00:09:23.540 I'm sorry, $700 million.

00:09:26.540 Ford is also saying they're getting out of the car business.

00:09:30.840 By 2020, Ford has said they will no longer sell the Fiesta, the Taurus, the Fusion, or Focus in North America.

00:09:37.760 Only the Mustang, and a crossover called Focus Active.

00:09:43.160 Tesla, he says, within single-digit weeks of death, 70% decline of sales in China alone.

00:09:52.320 The guy who was the CEO of Nissan that merged or tried to make the merger with Renault, he's now in jail.

00:10:04.280 Fiat Chrysler, struggling.

00:10:06.160 Their CEO died.

00:10:08.760 They never achieved the merger with GM.

00:10:11.880 Volkswagen has set aside $30 billion to cover costs associated with Dieselgate.

00:10:17.480 The car companies are not in good shape.

00:10:20.820 So, what's going to happen?

00:10:24.480 Well, as we told you on this program about a year ago, we had the former chair of the board of GM on.

00:10:32.880 He said, GM is a different company by 2030.

00:10:36.220 It's not making cars.

00:10:38.200 It's making fleets.

00:10:40.080 And you can call them cars.

00:10:41.620 You can call them pods.

00:10:43.020 But the car as we know it is going to change over the next 12 years.

00:10:48.360 And GM is trying to get ahead of the curve.

00:10:52.260 So, now what do we do?

00:10:54.300 Do we have a government that tells a private industry exactly what they have to do and what they have to make?

00:11:02.200 Or do we have a private industry making the cuts that they need to make?

00:11:07.200 Because we always say, why are we bailing these people out?

00:11:11.700 They're too big to fail.

00:11:13.320 Well, here they are saying, we've got to cut or we're going to hemorrhage to death.

00:11:19.020 And there'll be nothing left.

00:11:20.360 Which would put America back in the seat of, we got to bail out GM.

00:11:24.200 Do you want the government designing cars?

00:11:28.480 The answer is no.

00:11:29.960 Do you want the government dictating how they build them, where they build them, when they build them, what they buy to build them?

00:11:39.460 The answer is no.

00:11:43.480 This is just the beginning.

00:11:46.000 And the tariffs are not helping.

00:11:49.400 In fact, they're making things much, much worse.

00:11:52.240 I would tend to agree with this.

00:11:55.220 We've seen tariff rates about double since Trump took office, which is pretty amazing.

00:12:00.780 I mean, really, you know, this battle had been won.

00:12:05.240 I mean, even Obama didn't try to really go crazy with it.

00:12:08.080 He did it a couple times.

00:12:08.980 And again, same thing, failed massively.

00:12:11.380 We're talking $900,000 per job, quote unquote, saved in the tire industry when he tried it with tires.

00:12:17.640 But we've gone up to 3.2% from 1.6%.

00:12:20.420 So, I mean, we were already ahead.

00:12:22.500 We already had higher tariffs before.

00:12:24.880 Before Trump started all this, we had higher tariffs than places like Canada and Australia.

00:12:29.340 We now have risen all the way up to about where China is.

00:12:32.360 And the proposals where he wants to go, this next level of tariffs with China would put us above Mexico, more protectionists than Mexico.

00:12:41.780 And the policies he's proposed, if implemented, would bring us up higher than every other industrialized nation in the world.

00:12:50.620 The only one really – if you want to talk about major nations that would even be competitive with us, the only ones even close to us would be Pakistan.

00:12:56.580 Everything else, we're way, way above.

00:12:59.820 The only countries that are really ahead of us are places like Bermuda and the Bahamas, isolated sort of island nations that have very specific circumstances.

00:13:07.300 But again, these are bad policies.

00:13:09.140 You know, China also has much higher taxes in the United States.

00:13:11.420 We don't want to chase their tax rates.

00:13:13.900 It is a – again, like the president's done a lot of good things, and we've brought them up a million times.

00:13:19.360 The economy has been helped by some of these policies.

00:13:22.520 This is the reverse of it.

00:13:23.420 This is one of those times that if you support the president, you need to beg him to get off tariffs.

00:13:31.500 You need to rise up and beg him to get off of tariffs.

00:13:36.400 He believes this to the core of his being.

00:13:40.200 It's the only thing I thought he would implement.

00:13:43.960 I didn't think he would do all of the good things that he had done.

00:13:47.300 I knew he would do this because this is consistent through his life.

00:13:51.880 He believes in tariffs.

00:13:54.740 Yeah.

00:13:54.940 I mean, everyone knows that Trump is – before he got – before this last run, he had bounced back and forth between parties and things like that.

00:14:01.800 He never changed this position, though.

00:14:03.100 Never.

00:14:03.420 He was always very consistent on his belief that protectionist policies when it comes to trade are a good idea.

00:14:10.140 Because he only sees winning and losing.

00:14:13.600 He only sees scores.

00:14:16.080 And so when you look at the – you look at the, quote, trade imbalance, he sees that as a score.

00:14:22.020 We're losing.

00:14:23.520 But it's not a score.

00:14:25.220 It's not.

00:14:26.020 No.

00:14:26.560 It's not a bad thing.

00:14:29.240 And if you're trying to correct that, I advise him to look at the scoreboard.

00:14:34.340 Because the score, if you're scoring it the way he does, is getting worse.

00:14:39.460 Yeah, the trade imbalance is increasing through this time.

00:14:43.200 And by the way, that is a function of his success.

00:14:46.900 Donald Trump's economic policies, along with the capitalist economy in general, has been doing well.

00:14:52.880 When the United States economy does well, we have a higher trade imbalance.

00:14:57.320 That goes back decades.

00:14:59.080 Look, the only time we've decreased in any significant way our trade imbalance over the past 30 years was the economic crisis of 2008.

00:15:05.580 That our trade imbalance went all the way – almost all the way back to zero.

00:15:09.740 Do we want to replicate that policy?

00:15:11.560 If you look at the chart of our trade imbalance and you flip it upside down, it almost exactly matches the state of the economy.

00:15:20.000 When – it's the exact reverse to each other.

00:15:22.660 When tariffs – or when trade imbalance gets, quote, unquote, worse, we have a better economy.

00:15:28.040 And when the trade imbalance gets, quote, unquote, better, we have a worse economy.

00:15:31.240 This is – I mean, it's an unfortunate part of his belief system.

00:15:36.720 I mean, I know he seems to really understand taxes when it comes to the economy in general in the United States.

00:15:43.680 The same things are in play when you talk about globally.

00:15:47.940 We're getting hit with these tax increases.

00:15:49.800 It's hurting the economy.

00:15:51.140 And, I mean, you go through and look at the numbers.

00:15:53.020 They're still small enough that this doesn't have to destroy what he's accomplished.

00:15:56.720 But if he keeps going down this road, it will destroy it.

00:15:59.620 It's exponential when it comes to the effect.

00:16:01.940 It was a little terrifying what he said yesterday about how hard he's going to hit China.

00:16:09.560 And that will mean, you know, 10% to 20% on Apple products.

00:16:14.220 This is just a disaster.

00:16:16.060 You've got to stop.

00:16:17.560 And he was talking about it being a negotiating tactic.

00:16:19.780 He got his NAFTA renegotiation and kept all those tariffs on anyway.

00:16:23.980 He just really believes this.

00:16:25.780 And I don't know what's going to dissuade him of it.

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00:17:34.700 Welcome to the program.

00:17:40.460 So glad that you're here.

00:17:41.920 We're going to be out this weekend.

00:17:44.220 Friday night, we're going to be in Tampa, Florida.

00:17:46.520 You can get your tickets at GlennBeck.com slash tour.

00:17:49.140 And then Saturday, we're going to be in Orlando, Florida.

00:17:52.580 It's a great show.

00:17:54.020 Glenn Beck Live.

00:17:55.040 You don't want to miss it.

00:17:56.820 Tampa and Orlando this weekend.

00:17:59.700 WFLA.

00:18:00.480 The mothership.

00:18:01.220 The mothership.

00:18:01.820 Where we began.

00:18:02.860 Yeah.

00:18:03.240 Where it all began.

00:18:03.840 Great story in the Tampa Bay Times today about you.

00:18:09.820 I love this.

00:18:10.960 Glenn Beck was set to swim with sharks.

00:18:13.240 It was a stunt.

00:18:13.980 The kind of local radio DJs dream up to raise ratings or awareness of this cause or that.

00:18:19.580 And at the time, that's exactly what Glenn Beck was.

00:18:22.400 A talk radio host still new to Tampa Bay about to dive into a tank at the Florida Aquarium live during afternoon drive time.

00:18:28.960 So stupid.

00:18:29.900 What the heck is wrong with me?

00:18:31.000 He remembers thinking.

00:18:31.780 What am I doing?

00:18:32.380 Because I don't like swimming.

00:18:33.340 I don't like water and I certainly don't like sharks.

00:18:35.720 Then four days before his dive, two planes crashed into the World Trade Center.

00:18:39.600 Do you remember that?

00:18:40.120 And this is amazing.

00:18:41.300 This brings back a lot of memories.

00:18:42.780 And everything changed for Glenn Beck, for America, and especially for Glenn Beck's America.

00:18:47.820 It's true.

00:18:48.760 I mean, gosh, imagine if we could have just got you in there with the sharks.

00:18:51.360 How much better everyone's life could have been.

00:18:52.800 Could have been all over.

00:18:53.600 We did that because, remember, at the time, shark attacks were the big news in Florida.

00:19:00.700 And we're like, no, sharks are not attacking at a higher rate.

00:19:05.240 This is just media hype.

00:19:06.780 It's one of these stories every year.

00:19:08.000 It's something like this.

00:19:09.060 Remember, it was clowns a couple of years ago.

00:19:11.180 Remember the clown scare?

00:19:12.380 Yeah.

00:19:13.520 And so we were going to do this.

00:19:15.540 And it was a fundraiser for something.

00:19:17.760 And you could basically bet on how many minutes I would stay in the tank with sharks.

00:19:25.260 And I remember wanting to throw up for like two weeks beforehand.

00:19:29.680 I'm like, I barely swim.

00:19:32.740 I don't like water at all.

00:19:34.900 You don't seem like you'd be graceful in water.

00:19:37.220 I'm not.

00:19:38.020 That's a prediction.

00:19:38.720 Have you ever been around sharks?

00:19:41.480 No.

00:19:42.020 Okay.

00:19:42.220 So I was in, I don't know, the Bahamas or someplace.

00:19:45.900 And you can actually swim with sharks, but they're nurse sharks.

00:19:49.560 Okay.

00:19:49.760 Now, nurse sharks could break your fingers, break your hand.

00:19:52.300 They don't have sharp teeth.

00:19:54.360 They kind of, they suck in their food.

00:19:57.340 Okay.

00:19:57.680 And so if you get your fingers by their mouth at all, they can suck them in and just crush

00:20:02.400 your fingers.

00:20:03.960 So they're not dangerous.

00:20:05.280 They're just sharks and they look like sharks.

00:20:09.980 And I went, I went scuba diving and was swimming and I was down with somebody.

00:20:17.160 I panicked because you realize you're not graceful.

00:20:22.280 They are.

00:20:23.480 You're now in their territory and you're flopping around on the sidewalk like they would be,

00:20:30.980 you know what I mean?

00:20:32.080 In the air and all of a sudden these things start coming towards you and you realize there's

00:20:37.560 no way I could get away from this.

00:20:39.280 There's no, I mean, I'm, I'm toast.

00:20:40.860 I am at the bottom of the food chain now.

00:20:44.320 It's a really weird experience.

00:20:46.220 Yeah.

00:20:46.440 And you have no way of doing anything.

00:20:48.560 No.

00:20:48.760 It's just no control of your own life.

00:20:50.500 And we were talking about swimming with the sharks with actual teeth.

00:20:53.760 That's a good point that we are going back to Tampa this week for the tour.

00:20:57.800 No.

00:20:58.020 Why not get you into that aquarium now?

00:21:00.060 Let's get, let's write this wrong.

00:21:01.380 No, I don't think so.

00:21:02.120 Let's get you in there.

00:21:03.000 Grab your tickets now at glennbeck.com slash tour.

00:21:06.240 We'll see you in Tampa and Orlando this weekend.

00:21:11.200 This is the Glenn Beck program.

00:21:13.120 Welcome to the, uh, welcome to the program.

00:21:15.500 Pat Gray is joining us.

00:21:16.840 I, uh, I wanted to share this guys, uh, with you.

00:21:20.980 Um, I got this in from, uh, my sister who saw this on a, uh, Glenn Beck group page.

00:21:28.060 It said, uh, hello all.

00:21:30.460 I live in South Carolina and I live with my mom who has osteoporosis.

00:21:35.920 Uh, my mom listens to Glenn and Pat and Stu.

00:21:39.520 The boys get her through the life that she's currently living, which has been pretty hard.

00:21:44.180 She has spinal fractures and she has lost four inches in height.

00:21:49.820 Oh, wow.

00:21:50.600 Holy cow.

00:21:52.760 Uh, she had a very successful cleaning business.

00:21:55.500 She's always worked hard until she broke her elbow and this isn't helping her mood at all.

00:22:01.280 She sits, uh, in the house now and she listens to Pat every morning when he comes on and then stays glued to the TV, uh, watching Glenn.

00:22:10.700 Um, she says like the Messiah, which I don't think is blasphemous or really inaccurate at all.

00:22:16.920 No, um, uh, if somebody could please get this post to him, uh, leave a comment from her.

00:22:22.980 She's going through a very hard time right now.

00:22:25.300 Uh, but if you guys would reply, I know it would make her feel a lot better.

00:22:29.080 Uh, her name is Catherine.

00:22:31.940 Catherine, we're thinking about you.

00:22:34.960 Uh, I got this a couple of days ago.

00:22:36.560 We've been praying for you and, uh, you and your daughter, uh, are, are cherished listeners of ours.

00:22:42.700 So thank you.

00:22:43.760 Thank you very much.

00:22:44.800 Thank you for everything.

00:22:46.580 Um, Pat Gray, welcome to the program.

00:22:48.760 How are you?

00:22:49.300 I'm good.

00:22:49.940 Uh, real quick.

00:22:50.900 I want to preview something you had on your show today.

00:22:53.820 We have coming up in hour number three.

00:22:56.080 I don't even know what this is because it's all about sports.

00:23:00.040 Have you seen the, have you seen the movie concussion?

00:23:02.060 Yeah.

00:23:02.260 Yeah.

00:23:02.420 No, I haven't seen it, but I know it.

00:23:03.680 Okay.

00:23:04.040 Yeah.

00:23:04.260 Really.

00:23:04.740 I mean, I enjoyed the movie.

00:23:06.840 However, it's a pretty one-sided telling of the concussion CTE story in the NFL.

00:23:11.880 And they blame the NFL for not doing what they should.

00:23:15.760 Merrill, um, Merrill Hodge, who's, who was a running back for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

00:23:19.560 He had to retire early because of concussions and you see the title of the, uh, uh, of the

00:23:27.020 book brainwashed the bad science behind CTE and the plot to destroy football.

00:23:31.680 It's really fascinating.

00:23:32.560 And he's got a really good pathologist, uh, with him, uh, who helped him write.

00:23:36.540 So they debunking this.

00:23:37.880 Yeah.

00:23:38.520 Really?

00:23:39.020 And you were convinced.

00:23:39.620 They don't disagree that it's a thing.

00:23:42.320 They're just saying it's been blown way out of proportion.

00:23:46.120 Okay.

00:23:46.440 And that they, you don't know because hundreds of people, uh, over a hundred people who are

00:23:52.920 not in sports, certainly not in football, like one-year-olds to six-year-olds have been

00:23:58.540 diagnosed with CTE, uh, post, you know, after death, because that's the only time you can

00:24:03.700 actually, you have to open up the brain to look at it.

00:24:06.340 So you remember when I went in for, uh, studies, when they were trying to figure out what was

00:24:10.380 wrong with me and one of the things the doctors came in and said, uh, how many times have

00:24:15.740 you been hit in the head?

00:24:17.340 What are you, you know, what are you, what are you doing?

00:24:20.020 You've been in severe car accidents.

00:24:21.740 And I'm like, no.

00:24:22.680 Yeah.

00:24:22.800 Cause your brain looked like it was concussed a lot, concussed a lot.

00:24:26.080 And I'm like nothing.

00:24:27.580 So, I mean, I don't, I mean, I don't know after I'm dead, you should pick through my

00:24:31.620 brain.

00:24:32.060 Right.

00:24:32.320 And see if you have CTE, I wouldn't be a bit surprised.

00:24:35.320 All right.

00:24:35.760 So that's coming up in hour number three of this broadcast today.

00:24:38.720 You don't want to miss that.

00:24:39.420 Super interesting.

00:24:39.880 You don't.

00:24:40.400 So what is, what is on is the border or is it the jobs or the tariffs?

00:24:45.240 What is on your mind today?

00:24:46.540 The border is always on my mind.

00:24:47.960 Uh, I think that it's just, uh, uh, an amazing situation that we're lied to every day, uh, in

00:24:54.680 the media about it and they, they just don't care.

00:24:57.000 I think the media borders on treason.

00:24:59.740 I think it's such a problem.

00:25:02.840 So wait a minute, wait, wait, you were, you were a guy who said, I don't like the, I don't

00:25:09.740 like the rhetoric of the press is an enemy of people.

00:25:13.940 No, I don't.

00:25:15.180 But you're now kind of saying that.

00:25:17.380 I'm now saying.

00:25:17.600 He said bordering.

00:25:18.400 He didn't say it.

00:25:19.060 He said he crossed the border.

00:25:20.340 I mean, they are doing.

00:25:21.500 He's climbing the fence of that border.

00:25:23.040 He's climbing the fence of that border.

00:25:24.540 Yes.

00:25:24.940 All right.

00:25:25.180 They are doing everything they can to deny reality.

00:25:27.500 I know.

00:25:27.900 It's amazing.

00:25:28.380 Everything they can.

00:25:29.420 And to show, it's amazing.

00:25:31.380 Did you guys have the reporter from MSNBC?

00:25:34.480 Yeah.

00:25:34.660 Let's play this real quick.

00:25:35.960 Here's the real.

00:25:36.900 Here's the, I tweeted out last night.

00:25:39.380 This will be the last time you see this reporter.

00:25:41.440 That's for sure.

00:25:42.420 Listen to what he said.

00:25:43.760 Because some people look at these images and they listen to the president who says, it's

00:25:47.920 not women and children.

00:25:48.980 It's stone cold criminals.

00:25:50.460 So my first question is, you're in that tent camp.

00:25:54.740 Besides that family, give us the profile of who is there mostly and what are they looking

00:26:00.060 for?

00:26:00.420 You're going to see a lot of families here, a lot of women and children.

00:26:03.580 But the truth is the majority of the people that are part of this caravan, especially outside,

00:26:09.420 if we can make our way all the way over there, we'll show you the majority of them are men.

00:26:13.240 So when this becomes a polarized political issue in the United States, you have people

00:26:17.880 on one side that point and say, there are women and children here.

00:26:22.040 And that is true.

00:26:22.840 And then there are others who point and say, these are men that are trying to cross the

00:26:27.580 border.

00:26:27.880 And that's true, too.

00:26:29.340 From what we've seen, the majority are actually men.

00:26:32.720 And some of these men have not articulated that need for asylum.

00:26:36.480 Instead, they have talked about, you know, going to the United States for a better life

00:26:40.460 and to find work.

00:26:42.080 It's amazing.

00:26:42.740 He actually said it three times that the majority are men.

00:26:47.900 Now, I don't think anybody has ever denied that some children, women and children are

00:26:52.340 there.

00:26:52.740 I've never denied.

00:26:53.840 I've never denied it either.

00:26:54.820 The vast majority, however, are men.

00:26:57.620 Yeah.

00:26:58.080 And and did you hear how they are?

00:27:00.440 They these men are were pushing the women and children to the front on the on the storming

00:27:09.560 of the the gates.

00:27:11.080 Yes.

00:27:11.440 They were actually pushing the women and children.

00:27:14.160 It's exactly what happens with Hezbollah and and Hamas on the Israeli border.

00:27:24.320 Sure.

00:27:24.560 Exactly the same thing.

00:27:26.880 And the photo that you continually see when they rush the border like that and then had

00:27:30.940 tear gas canisters fired at them was a woman with two children, one on either side, both

00:27:37.240 in diapers.

00:27:37.840 They're five years old.

00:27:38.660 But for whatever reason, they're in diapers.

00:27:40.560 And that's the image that everybody shows to make you think, oh, my gosh, they're just firing

00:27:46.140 tear gas randomly at women and children.

00:27:49.100 Well, every other person, if you look in the background, is a man.

00:27:53.680 Gee, I can't believe the media found the woman with the children to take the picture of what

00:27:57.180 what what a bad luck streak where they wouldn't capture the whole story with their picture.

00:28:01.580 It's so dishonest.

00:28:02.720 And I think it's hurtful to the country.

00:28:04.700 All of it is.

00:28:05.520 Have you seen the have you seen any coverage on the protests in Tijuana?

00:28:10.680 How about what Luis Alexis Mendoza, a Mexican, said about these people?

00:28:17.700 Here's what he here's what he shouted.

00:28:20.080 And a reporter actually from the Los Angeles Times heard him say, this is an invasion.

00:28:25.720 I love that.

00:28:26.580 We demand respect.

00:28:28.740 We demand that our laws be followed.

00:28:31.560 Huh?

00:28:32.140 Wait, what?

00:28:33.120 The mayor of Tijuana has been wearing a make Tijuana great again hat.

00:28:36.780 Try and try this.

00:28:38.200 Let's listen.

00:28:39.300 This is Patricia.

00:28:40.400 Patricia Reyes.

00:28:41.400 She's a 62 year old Mexican protester.

00:28:45.160 She said, we want the caravan to go.

00:28:47.760 They're invading us.

00:28:49.780 They should have come to Mexico correctly, legally, but they came in like animals.

00:28:57.200 This is a Mexican resident.

00:29:00.080 The demonstrators held signs.

00:29:01.780 No illegals.

00:29:02.800 No to the invasion.

00:29:04.920 Amazing.

00:29:05.920 Have you seen any of this on TV?

00:29:07.960 No, they don't show it.

00:29:09.120 The mayor said Tijuana is a place that welcomes anyone, but you have to have papers.

00:29:15.100 You must identify yourself.

00:29:17.300 Wait, you want to your sovereignty respected?

00:29:20.140 Right.

00:29:20.460 I don't understand.

00:29:21.560 We work hard in Tijuana.

00:29:23.360 We don't get handouts.

00:29:24.720 The government shouldn't be giving these things to migrants when there are plenty of Mexicans in a difficult position.

00:29:31.300 Much of the protesters said the migrants should be detained and deported.

00:29:35.580 The mayor also said, I would dare say that not all of them are migrants.

00:29:45.180 Sure, there are some good people in the caravan, but there are many that are bad.

00:29:51.520 What a hater.

00:29:53.020 What a xenophobe.

00:29:54.280 He then said human rights are only for upstanding humans.

00:29:58.120 I don't know if that's true.

00:29:59.820 That's not true.

00:30:02.740 Christian Mendez, a Honduran traveling with his girlfriend, said, I'm not sure what we're going to do.

00:30:09.620 We all know we want to request asylum, but we have heard about the list.

00:30:14.600 We don't know how long it's going to take.

00:30:16.080 We don't know how long there will be food for us to eat.

00:30:19.860 The Tijuana mayor also said, Tijuana is a city of immigrants, but we don't want them in this way.

00:30:26.560 Huh.

00:30:26.880 So you want them to come legally, perhaps?

00:30:30.140 Sure.

00:30:30.340 That's weird.

00:30:31.100 He said it was different with the Haitians.

00:30:33.160 They carried papers.

00:30:34.600 They were in order.

00:30:35.900 It wasn't a horde.

00:30:37.640 Pardon the expression.

00:30:39.120 An invasion?

00:30:40.080 Pardon.

00:30:40.480 You've been pardoned.

00:30:41.620 It's truly amazing.

00:30:43.000 If you were, for instance, I about lost my mind yesterday with Ms. Cortez and her Holocaust comparisons.

00:30:52.000 Oh, my.

00:30:52.760 Yeah.

00:30:53.020 Oh, my gosh.

00:30:54.180 Yeah.

00:30:54.520 Oh, my gosh.

00:30:55.540 And then Rihanna calling it terrorism because we fired canisters of tear gas.

00:31:00.780 Okay.

00:31:01.140 Everybody who feels that way should have to accept two dozen of these migrants into their home permanently.

00:31:10.980 That's what they're asking.

00:31:12.280 Here's America to do.

00:31:13.640 Here's what I think.

00:31:14.360 It's our home.

00:31:15.080 Here's what I think is very, very reasonable.

00:31:18.340 You don't think two dozen is reasonable?

00:31:19.660 No, not necessarily.

00:31:20.680 She's got an 11,000 square foot house.

00:31:22.180 Here's what I would be happy with.

00:31:23.520 We just go back into your Twitter feed and we find all of the times that you were outraged when the Obama administration was tear gassing people on the border.

00:31:31.660 Oh, can't find it?

00:31:33.120 Shut up.

00:31:33.820 Uh, you know, go back in your Twitter feed when you were outraged that President Obama put people in cages.

00:31:40.560 Can't find it.

00:31:41.800 Shut up.

00:31:42.300 I am clear.

00:31:44.660 I was against that when it was happening.

00:31:47.160 I was talking about it when it was happening.

00:31:48.520 To the point where we went down to the border and brought the kids Christmas presents.

00:31:51.800 Yeah, right.

00:31:52.740 So.

00:31:53.280 And said, go home now.

00:31:55.240 Yeah.

00:31:55.480 Go home.

00:31:56.420 I mean, um, the other thing is I cannot take, I cannot take the lecturing from the left on the Jews and the, uh, man and the St. Louis that was turned away.

00:32:09.480 Excuse me.

00:32:10.940 They were going to an extermination camp.

00:32:13.740 That's, that's what fate, uh, had in store for them.

00:32:17.740 Um, if, if you want to talk to me about, uh, asylum, then tell me that you have been leading the charge for the Christians and the Yazidis who are being exterminated and enslaved.

00:32:33.480 Oh, but nobody can talk about having helped those people.

00:32:36.360 No.

00:32:36.800 Yeah.

00:32:37.020 Right.

00:32:37.600 Well, yeah, we can, um, they, they don't, they've never said anything about that.

00:32:43.940 That's an actual refugee.

00:32:46.200 Uh, how about Asia Bibi?

00:32:48.820 Are you talking about bringing her in?

00:32:50.620 Because she's, she is currently in hiding in her own country because she will not say I reject my faith and I accept Islam.

00:33:02.420 Nobody's taking her.

00:33:03.700 She's being passed around from country to country and nobody's taking her.

00:33:07.380 Where are you on that?

00:33:08.800 If you have said yes to those two things and you're on record, well, then let's talk about, let's talk about the immigration status of these people because I know you're an honest broker.

00:33:20.260 No one in the media is an honest broker on this.

00:33:24.920 No one.

00:33:25.920 And obviously Pat's, uh, two dozen people for Rihanna to take in is a little ridiculous.

00:33:30.260 I would advocate, uh, one per thousand square feet of your home.

00:33:34.000 Okay.

00:33:34.220 So for 11, she would take an 11.

00:33:38.240 See, it's not 12.

00:33:39.560 It's not twice.

00:33:40.100 It's not 12.

00:33:40.840 Yes.

00:33:41.600 You're right, Stu.

00:33:42.820 I was a little silly.

00:33:44.100 11.

00:33:44.580 Can we come to a common sense ground in the middle where Rihanna just accepts 11 migrants?

00:33:49.760 Yes.

00:33:51.120 Thanks, Pat.

00:33:52.320 Paco Ray Unleashed on the Blaze Radio and TV network.

00:33:55.600 You can also get it on the podcast as well.

00:34:00.360 Welcome to the program.

00:34:01.480 So glad you're here.

00:34:02.480 We're going to take the media part piece by piece on the Mexican thing coming up in just a few minutes.

00:34:08.720 Also, also tonight, uh, we're going to provide some, uh, clear, uh, evidence of who is now funding and who is now behind some of this.

00:34:19.340 Um, we've, we found, we found it through a couple of sources, but we were interested to find that even the New York Times reported on this today.

00:34:27.080 Although, they didn't mention any connection to George Soros, strangely enough, but they did provide us with the organizing, uh, NGO.

00:34:39.000 Yeah, which is pretty interesting.

00:34:40.480 Pretty interesting.

00:34:41.320 We'll have all of that tonight at five o'clock only in the blaze.

00:34:44.060 Yeah, you want beginning to end all the background, all the history, all of this with the caravan.

00:34:48.800 Tonight is the show to watch.

00:34:49.920 This is all of it.

00:34:50.660 This is the show that I think, uh, shows you who has credibility because we are absolutely consistent on all of it, on all of it.

00:35:01.120 We never said that George Soros was involved in this.

00:35:04.880 We said we doesn't appear to be.

00:35:07.880 We don't have any evidence of it.

00:35:09.000 We have no evidence of it.

00:35:10.780 However, once they hit Mexico city, these organizations have said that they're going to get involved and we'll look for that.

00:35:17.880 Well, we did.

00:35:19.080 There they are.

00:35:20.060 They're now the organizing committee and it's George Soros money.

00:35:24.440 We're going to take it all apart for you tonight at five.

00:35:27.540 And we're going to give a quick little preview of it coming up in just a second, uh, in next hour.

00:35:32.220 They made the, I made the mistake of watching CNN a little bit this morning and they, they are still treating the migrant caravan as if it's this fever dream of the president.

00:35:39.140 And it's like the head, the headline in the New York times today, in the story you're talking about, no clear end to chaos as migrants confront us border.

00:35:47.120 And it goes through and talks about how there's not a caravan there.

00:35:51.080 Of course not.

00:35:52.000 There are four caravans on their way there with as many as 10,000 total members.

00:35:57.580 Uh, and it goes through the details of this.

00:36:00.560 It is not a fever dream.

00:36:01.960 It's not some crazy thing.

00:36:02.920 It obviously wasn't an election issue.

00:36:05.140 We were past the election and there's still, we're still talking about it because it was a real issue before.

00:36:09.960 It was a real issue before Donald Trump.

00:36:11.400 It was a real issue.

00:36:12.000 Now it's, it's been a real issue this entire time.

00:36:14.560 Conservatives have cared about it the entire time.

00:36:16.900 We've been consistent on it.

00:36:18.560 And the, and the fact that you want to come out here and just make it seem like this is some crazy, uh, you know, uh, fever dream of the president of the United States.

00:36:26.280 It's ridiculous.

00:36:27.140 You're denying reality.

00:36:28.040 You're denying reality.

00:36:28.800 You're denying reality.

00:36:29.720 And we'll see how far down the rabbit hole, uh, we really are.

00:36:33.780 But I, I'm, I'm sorry.

00:36:35.480 I don't see the average American.

00:36:37.880 I don't see the average person who's losing their job at GM denying the reality of what an open border would really mean.

00:36:48.560 They're on the losing end of this and they're exposing themselves.

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00:38:23.000 Glenn back.

00:38:24.520 Well, no one was hurt on Sunday by the tyranny of the tear gas from the U S border patrol agents against the helpless central American babies that were just there.

00:38:38.460 Uh, we don't know, but we don't know how they got there.

00:38:42.240 We don't know why they were five and still in diapers, but it happened.

00:38:47.080 They were just innocently trying to break through the border fence.

00:38:49.800 That's all they were trying to do.

00:38:51.620 No injuries were reported, but we have the next best thing.

00:38:54.220 We have photos, but write headlines for us.

00:38:58.200 Here's a couple of samples for you.

00:38:59.760 Photograph of children in diapers, fleeing tear gas at border sparks anger or this.

00:39:05.540 These children are barefoot in diapers, choking on tear gas.

00:39:10.100 Yes, that's the evil U S empire.

00:39:13.480 The Israel of the Americas.

00:39:15.800 Dare I say it?

00:39:17.700 If we can't catch mothers and children to lock them up in cages, well, then we just have to do all we can to tear gas them.

00:39:24.220 At least that's the convenient narrative when you don't care about reporting on the complicated truth of the situation.

00:39:31.820 And actually media, it ain't that complicated.

00:39:34.740 You have an agenda.

00:39:35.840 It was just peace loving migrants having a peaceful protest against the mean old bully, Uncle Sam, who dares to enforce his own laws about entering the country.

00:39:48.520 How dare him?

00:39:49.900 So do we target babies with tear gas or was there another underreported reality?

00:39:56.480 Well, here is the chief U S patrol agent, Rodney Scott.

00:40:01.520 He was there.

00:40:02.820 Here's what he said.

00:40:03.900 I kind of challenged that this was a peaceful protest or that the majority of these people were claiming asylum.

00:40:10.080 We ended up making about 42 arrests.

00:40:12.520 Only eight of those were females and there were only a few children involved.

00:40:16.120 The vast majority of the people were dealing with their adult males.

00:40:19.640 Similar to what we saw, the first wave of the caravan that came up about a week or so ago,

00:40:25.140 the group immediately started throwing rocks and debris at our agents, taunting the agents.

00:40:29.860 Once our agents were assaulted and the numbers started growing, we had two or three agents at a time initially facing hundreds of people at a time.

00:40:37.920 Uh, they deployed tear gas to protect themselves and to protect the border.

00:40:42.460 Yeah.

00:40:43.000 It doesn't really click with the Trump tear gassing baby story.

00:40:45.280 Does it?

00:40:46.220 I mean, there are photos.

00:40:47.480 Well, there is a photo.

00:40:50.060 What have I told you?

00:40:51.040 This whole border rushing incident wasn't really all that unique.

00:40:55.560 What have I told you that?

00:40:57.160 Oh, the gas, the tear gassing, uh, you know, that's not that unique exact.

00:41:02.480 In fact, exactly five years ago on Sunday, November 25th, five years ago,

00:41:07.920 there were some migrants that rushed the border fence at the same crossing point.

00:41:13.240 Those migrants also threw rocks and bottles at U.S. border agents under Barack Obama.

00:41:18.640 Those agents also responded by firing pepper spray back at the mob.

00:41:24.740 Oh, wait a minute.

00:41:26.040 And that was for a hundred.

00:41:27.600 This was for a thousand.

00:41:30.740 Yet there were no cameras there, no embedded reporters, no sackcloth and ashes headlines.

00:41:37.020 There are pictures.

00:41:38.580 We have them.

00:41:40.120 Nobody's been interested in seeing them.

00:41:42.220 In fact, nobody's still interested in seeing them in the mainstream media.

00:41:46.580 There's no concern about the then President Obama allowing such a barbaric response to innocent asylum seekers.

00:41:54.160 Well, it's just that our priorities have changed since then, I guess.

00:42:00.320 I wonder how that happened.

00:42:02.660 The photos and, of course, focus on mothers and children is an attempt by the media to distill a very complex situation into an easy-to-swallow outrage pill.

00:42:13.780 Don't take it, because we can tell you the facts.

00:42:19.980 The media will not.

00:42:22.680 They could, but they will not.

00:42:25.340 So let's look into this just a little deeper, shall we?

00:42:29.100 It's Tuesday, November 27th.

00:42:37.160 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:42:39.460 Okay, I just want to hit a couple of things.

00:42:42.220 This is what the media has said.

00:42:44.700 This is what the media claimed.

00:42:48.540 This is what the media is still claiming.

00:42:51.360 And let me just take it piece by piece.

00:42:53.000 First of all, the tear gas.

00:42:54.480 We just gave you that.

00:42:56.300 This is exactly the cages.

00:42:58.860 Everybody was outraged that Donald Trump had cages.

00:43:02.220 Well, no, they were built by the Obama administration.

00:43:04.780 In fact, Obama had twice as many children in cages than Donald Trump did.

00:43:10.280 He was actually reducing the number from its high under Barack Obama.

00:43:17.560 Same thing with the gassing.

00:43:19.400 We have pictures.

00:43:21.780 Hmm.

00:43:22.540 That was only for 100 people.

00:43:23.820 Wow, if they were out of control with 1,000, they were 10 times out of control with 100.

00:43:34.180 I mean, that's crazy.

00:43:35.340 They only had 100 back in Obama, and he just threw the tear gas.

00:43:40.920 We have to be a welcoming country because we are a welcoming, and they are not going to come and push the fences down or climb the walls.

00:43:53.340 Remember, Jim Acosta said, Mr. President, you showed in your campaign a video of protesters climbing walls and pushing down fences, and that was racist.

00:44:05.740 No, Jim, that wasn't.

00:44:07.920 That was this group of people entering Mexico.

00:44:13.220 That's what that was.

00:44:14.880 President never said that.

00:44:16.500 But that's what that was.

00:44:19.900 Well, then Jim Acosta says, well, but they're hundreds and hundreds of miles away.

00:44:24.520 They're probably not even going to make it.

00:44:26.840 Well, they did.

00:44:28.500 Shockingly, how did they get here so fast?

00:44:31.640 Because you were right.

00:44:32.760 They were hundreds and hundreds of miles away, and many of them, as you pointed out, were barefoot.

00:44:38.060 Wow, barefoot, and you made it weeks and weeks and weeks in advance.

00:44:45.780 You must be superhuman or have some assistance from someone.

00:44:52.940 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:44:55.680 These are just good people.

00:44:57.200 They're not going to be climbing the walls.

00:44:59.060 Yes, well, they did.

00:45:00.160 They're not going to be trying to storm the gates.

00:45:02.540 Well, yes, they just did.

00:45:04.560 They're not invaders.

00:45:06.440 And you're a racist for even saying that.

00:45:09.340 Well, wait a minute.

00:45:10.400 That's what Mexicans who were in the streets in Mexico yesterday protesting, protesting their government's response to the migrants, which is just this.

00:45:23.140 You're going to stay here until the Americans process you.

00:45:28.500 They don't like that.

00:45:30.680 They don't like that at all.

00:45:32.140 Why should we be paying for these people?

00:45:34.480 They didn't come in peacefully.

00:45:36.400 They didn't come in the right way.

00:45:38.440 Well, wait a minute.

00:45:39.360 So are you are the Mexicans racist against other Hispanics, or are they just making a point of law and order?

00:45:53.040 Well, they're only talking about this because of the election.

00:45:56.340 That's what CNN said before the election.

00:45:58.300 Well, we're talking about it now.

00:46:00.020 And so what election are we playing for?

00:46:03.660 Wrong again.

00:46:05.480 No Soros connection.

00:46:08.120 You're an anti-Semite if you even bring up Soros's name.

00:46:11.980 Well, I don't know.

00:46:14.440 You might be an anti-Semite if you like Soros or don't like Soros.

00:46:18.320 Talking about Soros does not make you an anti-Semite, either good or bad.

00:46:24.580 Anti-Semitism is hating Jews.

00:46:27.820 That's what that's all about.

00:46:30.040 I don't hate Jews.

00:46:32.160 You know, I have this really weird thing.

00:46:34.480 I think you should get to know people and judge them on the content of their character.

00:46:39.820 Then you can hate them for real legitimate reasons.

00:46:43.740 Why would you just lump everybody in?

00:46:46.580 This is not a difficult distinction.

00:46:47.980 It's really not.

00:46:48.740 If you hate Jews because they're Jews, you're an anti-Semite.

00:46:52.480 If you hate one specific Jew because of his actions unrelated to him being Jewish or as he seems to claim now an atheist.

00:46:59.700 Yeah, then then you're not a Jew.

00:47:02.760 You're not an anti-Semite.

00:47:04.380 OK, so here's the thing.

00:47:06.120 We could have told you that George Soros was behind this whole thing.

00:47:11.380 We could have.

00:47:12.640 We didn't.

00:47:14.060 In fact, we said there's no evidence that we can find any evidence that George Soros is involved.

00:47:20.340 Now, you could assume because George Soros himself wrote in a Wall Street Journal piece, an op-ed piece that he was going to spend five hundred million dollars on migrant issues.

00:47:37.160 Five hundred million dollars.

00:47:40.880 OK, well, maybe he was talking just solely about the European migrants.

00:47:46.420 Maybe that was it.

00:47:47.380 But you could have assumed that some of it was going to go to the migrants here.

00:47:52.400 But we didn't.

00:47:54.160 You could assume that he or his organizations would be funding this based on the fact that they finance the NGOs that organize the April caravan.

00:48:05.880 But we didn't assume.

00:48:08.420 We said no evidence that those people are involved at this time.

00:48:13.460 However, we have heard that once they reach Mexico, if they reach Mexico, then this organization will step in.

00:48:22.460 But that is just what we've heard.

00:48:24.860 They have not stepped in.

00:48:27.320 Well, today, it's interesting that you open up The New York Times and The New York Times is quoting the organizing organization, the NGO.

00:48:39.140 My gosh, it's the same NGO that was not the organizing NGO at the beginning, but is now the organizing NGO.

00:48:51.240 And it's the same one that organized the rally, the caravan in April, funded by George Soros.

00:48:58.140 You won't find the George Soros connection in The New York Times because they're all scared to death of him.

00:49:07.140 But they do point out that they were the ones who organized the caravan last spring.

00:49:12.020 Yeah, they do point that out.

00:49:13.240 They do point that out.

00:49:13.860 All they don't do is just say, and where do you get a lot of your financing?

00:49:18.960 Oh, George Soros organizations.

00:49:21.200 Okay.

00:49:25.220 Then we get to these.

00:49:26.920 We have to be a welcoming country.

00:49:29.780 Especially for women and children.

00:49:33.280 Okay.

00:49:34.800 I like consistency.

00:49:37.220 I like consistency of thought.

00:49:40.960 Chaos is not a way to run a country, not a way to run a life.

00:49:46.540 Consistency of thought.

00:49:47.760 If one of your thoughts is inconsistent with another one of your thoughts, one of them is wrong.

00:49:56.620 Or you are deciding to live in conflict.

00:50:01.320 Okay.

00:50:02.880 Because they should all come together.

00:50:06.880 Sometimes they don't.

00:50:08.360 I.E.

00:50:09.220 Quantum mechanics.

00:50:11.280 We have to live in that state of, I don't know.

00:50:14.720 It doesn't seem like it would make sense because it violates all the things we thought, but we don't know.

00:50:23.880 I can handle that kind of chaos because you're still searching for the answer.

00:50:30.100 Not when you have the answer.

00:50:32.480 For instance, we must take in women and children who are persecuted.

00:50:38.200 Really?

00:50:39.140 Okay.

00:50:40.100 I believe that.

00:50:41.460 But do you?

00:50:44.160 Because if you do believe that today, could you please show me your Twitter account where you were talking about the women and children who are Christians and Yazidis who have been crucified, tortured, raped up to 20 times a day?

00:51:01.160 Can you please show me where you said we must take these people in?

00:51:06.100 Because the Nazarene Fund has been saying that for a while.

00:51:09.800 We have thousands of people that have gone to other countries, including Australia.

00:51:14.420 Australia has been an amazing country.

00:51:17.160 You know how many the United States has taken?

00:51:19.280 One.

00:51:20.220 One.

00:51:21.100 These people face death, constant rape, slavery, beheadings.

00:51:28.000 We've taken one.

00:51:30.680 When Ocasio-Cortez said yesterday, this is like the Jews.

00:51:34.860 No, it's not.

00:51:35.660 No, the Christians.

00:51:37.560 The Christians, that's like the Jews.

00:51:40.740 That's like the Jews, the Christians in the Middle East.

00:51:43.420 And you're turning them away.

00:51:45.620 You want another example?

00:51:47.120 How about the Uyghurs?

00:51:48.780 Remember the Uyghurs that we turned over to China?

00:51:51.640 We turned them over to China.

00:51:54.300 They were facing execution.

00:51:57.100 We don't have to make this about, we don't have to make this just about Christians or Yazidis or atheists.

00:52:04.240 Let's make this about Muslims.

00:52:06.140 Can you show me your tweet and your Twitter feed where you are standing up to China and helping expose the one million Muslims that have been rounded up in China merely for being Muslim?

00:52:20.840 If you can show me your Twitter feed, I can have an honest conversation with you because I'll show you mine.

00:52:26.880 But if you only care about women and children today, if you're only caring about the migrants and the oppressed and the, oh, the huddled masses yearning to breathe free today, you have no credibility.

00:52:40.840 You have an agenda.

00:52:42.640 You have an agenda.

00:52:43.300 If you really cared about them, we'd see that action through your own words and works over a long period of time.

00:52:53.480 Now, everybody can change.

00:52:55.120 So if you want to join us with the Nazarene Fund today, you can because those people are enslaved.

00:53:03.400 Enslaved.

00:53:04.940 We're breaking them out.

00:53:06.940 We have a guy today.

00:53:08.260 You want to talk about Central America and South America?

00:53:10.800 We have a guy today that broke up a sex trafficking slavery operation.

00:53:18.780 He is testifying in this country wearing a bulletproof vest on the airplane all week until he gets off.

00:53:29.280 He has to testify against this ring.

00:53:32.280 They are very, very powerful.

00:53:34.780 Please pray for him.

00:53:36.000 He could lose his life because he was freeing slaves in countries like Honduras.

00:53:45.080 If you would like to have some credibility, join us because we're freeing those people.

00:53:52.500 You have no credibility.

00:53:54.880 You only have a political agenda.

00:53:57.900 Well, they're looking for asylum.

00:54:00.320 No, according to NBC's reporter.

00:54:04.040 No, no.

00:54:05.200 Many of them are not.

00:54:06.500 In fact, most of them are not.

00:54:09.520 According to the Border Patrol.

00:54:13.400 No.

00:54:14.160 All they have to do is come to the border, raise their hands and say, we need asylum.

00:54:19.180 That's what you have to do to get asylum.

00:54:22.160 You know who tells you that you don't have to get asylum, that you can't do that and get asylum here in America?

00:54:28.600 You know who says that?

00:54:29.840 Drug dealers.

00:54:30.980 The cartels that are making money on being human mules.

00:54:36.780 The people who are making money smuggling people across our border.

00:54:40.580 They're the ones that tell people, oh, no, you can't just cross the border and say you want asylum.

00:54:46.680 They're the ones.

00:54:48.120 Oh, well, and the media and the left and all of the organizers for the left.

00:54:54.880 They're the ones saying that to people.

00:54:57.980 The truth is, all you have to do is come with your arms raised up and say, I need asylum and you will be processed.

00:55:05.460 And I'm sorry that there is a process.

00:55:07.600 But the New York Times headline says it all today, quote, no clear end to chaos as migrants confront U.S. border.

00:55:21.060 What have I told you for the last seven years would be the word that you need to look for and you'll know where to stand on the issue when you see this word,

00:55:33.280 because it is the author of everything that is happening, trying to destroy the West.

00:55:39.540 The word is chaos.

00:55:45.320 Chaos.

00:55:46.440 Anything that adds to chaos is not good.

00:55:52.620 Thank you, New York Times.

00:55:54.420 No clear end to chaos as migrants confront the U.S. border.

00:55:58.740 For anyone who is in doubt.

00:56:02.420 Chaos.

00:56:04.240 That is the objective of everyone who is trying to take the West apart.

00:56:09.920 Create chaos.

00:56:11.740 It's all in their own words.

00:56:14.440 You didn't know that.

00:56:15.740 You should read Addicted to Outrage because I outline it there clearly.

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00:57:39.020 We're going to go through what you have to go through if you're seeking asylum.

00:57:44.160 It's horrendous.

00:57:45.340 It's it's almost seriously.

00:57:47.940 It's it's almost Takamata and the Inquisition.

00:57:53.320 It is.

00:57:53.740 It's almost that except not at all.

00:57:56.740 We're going to go through that coming up in just a second.

00:57:58.920 And also, I want to talk to you about looking for a lighthouse in these times and what that means and how you can identify a lighthouse for a safe harbor.

00:58:08.740 Because things are going to get more and more difficult, especially because I believe I feel the same way I felt in 2007.

00:58:18.280 The economy is truly on the edge and we're seeing bad signs.

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00:59:21.880 All right.

00:59:22.160 Want to talk about a couple of things.

00:59:24.260 And it involves it involves not only the border, but it also involves the economy.

00:59:29.760 Really everything.

00:59:30.720 As I explain in the in the book, Addicted to Outrage, chaos is our enemy.

00:59:38.620 Anything at all that that is that helps chaos helps foster chaos.

00:59:45.520 You've got to get away from it.

00:59:48.440 You we have to be stable people.

00:59:51.620 So you're looking for a lighthouse.

00:59:55.440 If you can, you want to be the lighthouse.

00:59:59.120 Now, what does a lighthouse do?

01:00:01.960 A lighthouse is on solid footing.

01:00:05.500 It never, ever moves.

01:00:07.720 It is an alert to the boats as they are approaching rocks, rocks ahead, trouble ahead.

01:00:15.140 It is also a way to navigate when the storms are really bad and you can't see anything.

01:00:22.440 Or if you're all twisted around and the storm has tossed your vessel and you don't know which way is north, south, east or west.

01:00:32.460 Look for the lighthouse or look to the north star.

01:00:36.320 You need a polar star.

01:00:39.300 You need a lighthouse.

01:00:41.440 Better yet, be one for someone else.

01:00:44.620 Now, how do you know what a lighthouse is?

01:00:47.180 It's stability without chaos.

01:00:51.780 Yes, well, the light is going off and on.

01:00:54.240 No, but if you time it, it's making a circle and it's coming back exactly the same amount of time every time.

01:01:02.940 There's no chaos in that.

01:01:04.260 Yes, it's blinking off, on, off, on, but it's exactly the same time.

01:01:11.280 No chaos.

01:01:12.640 It's never, ever moving.

01:01:15.460 You are.

01:01:17.560 So you're looking for stability.

01:01:20.540 Stability in what?

01:01:22.000 In principles.

01:01:24.180 Principles are so critical today.

01:01:27.480 For instance, on the border, were you against the gassing this week?

01:01:33.740 Great.

01:01:34.720 Will you speak out?

01:01:36.260 And did you speak out against the gassing that was happening?

01:01:39.440 We have the pictures under Obama.

01:01:42.160 No.

01:01:42.900 Okay.

01:01:43.420 So you're not consistent.

01:01:44.480 Well, I didn't know.

01:01:45.700 Well, why not?

01:01:48.260 About the cages.

01:01:49.800 Were you against it then?

01:01:51.560 No.

01:01:52.120 Well, I didn't know.

01:01:53.180 Well, you didn't want to know because I was trying to tell everybody.

01:01:56.400 So if you in the media didn't know, that's your fault.

01:02:01.260 That's your fault.

01:02:03.560 You have compassion when it hurts your cause.

01:02:09.440 Have compassion.

01:02:11.320 Are you compassionate when it hurts?

01:02:15.580 You say you want refugees.

01:02:17.500 Well, did you want the Christians?

01:02:20.800 You know, Barack Obama made it easier if you're a woman and you were abused by your husband.

01:02:26.400 To come in and claim asylum.

01:02:28.400 Well, how about the the rape slaves over in the Middle East?

01:02:32.640 Are we are we even talking about them?

01:02:35.400 And Christians don't get all high and mighty because are you talking about the Muslims that are being enslaved in China?

01:02:40.260 You need a lighthouse needs to have the stability of, for instance, the Supreme Court is the well, it'll be answered by the Supreme Court because that's the law of the land until it rules against you.

01:02:56.760 And then you're like, we've got to fight to say, well, we don't have to we don't have to abide by that.

01:03:02.120 My favorite is the ones on the left who say we have to abide by everything.

01:03:06.860 The Supreme Court does because the Supreme Court is right on everything.

01:03:11.400 And yet you praise the the people who stood up against the Dred Scott decision.

01:03:17.240 No, the Supreme Court doesn't know everything.

01:03:19.940 Sometimes that group of nine people get it wrong.

01:03:23.240 Very, very wrong.

01:03:24.480 In the end, it is all up to us through the rule of law.

01:03:30.800 So are you for the rule of law or against the rule of law?

01:03:33.380 And here's another one for conservatives.

01:03:35.620 You need to be a lighthouse.

01:03:36.720 Were you for the GM bailouts when when George Bush said I had to violate the free market system to save a free market system?

01:03:45.900 Did you say what?

01:03:48.340 Or did you say, oh, that's great.

01:03:50.220 We're going to have, you know, a good share of GM.

01:03:53.480 I'm thrilled about that.

01:03:55.440 I know I didn't.

01:03:57.020 I I I canceled a million dollar contract with GM.

01:04:01.860 It was the first time GM had ever been on talk radio.

01:04:05.480 I canceled it.

01:04:07.320 I did not make any friends at GM or in the radio business when I canceled it.

01:04:13.640 But I couldn't I couldn't preach to you free market and then come on the air and say, oh, by the way, and here's a government subsidy car.

01:04:22.120 I couldn't do it.

01:04:23.540 Now, GM has paid off that debt.

01:04:26.160 They're a free company again.

01:04:28.600 Are we celebrating or as a lighthouse?

01:04:32.600 Are you wobbling?

01:04:34.300 Are you now saying right on, Mr.

01:04:36.840 President, you've got to tell them they've got to keep those factory doors open.

01:04:41.220 You've got to tell them they can't make these cuts.

01:04:44.160 You've got to be involved.

01:04:47.260 Which are you?

01:04:48.380 You're not a lighthouse.

01:04:49.760 And that's the only thing that's really, truly going to matter.

01:04:54.560 The only way you can help people say all the time, what can I do?

01:04:57.880 Be a lighthouse.

01:05:00.380 Be immovable.

01:05:02.240 Because the ships are everywhere and they're going to start crashing into each other because chaos is the word of our of our times.

01:05:13.740 Chaos.

01:05:14.300 You must do everything you can to reduce chaos so you have credibility to help ships come back into harbor easily and safely.

01:05:27.480 I'm concerned about these things because I've told you that there is a window that is closing.

01:05:33.640 It's it's twofold window.

01:05:35.500 One of them is technology.

01:05:36.660 I think we're about five years away before technology can close in on us and we may not get out.

01:05:43.100 Um, that's a very pessimistic, uh, look, but it's one that Elon Musk believes by 2025 we could be screwed.

01:05:54.020 Um, maybe not, perhaps not.

01:05:56.780 And I hope that's true, but that's a closing window.

01:06:00.440 The other one is a window that is closing much faster and that is the economy.

01:06:05.420 When the economy goes south, people generally get a little more testy.

01:06:12.240 We're already testy.

01:06:14.660 Please prepare yourself.

01:06:16.740 I, I sold my house, uh, and, uh, you know, people can say whatever they want, but I had a large house.

01:06:28.080 It was an expensive house.

01:06:30.520 And I think the days of large expensive houses are over.

01:06:35.840 I think the large expensive houses today, the 20,000, my wasn't this, but a 20,000 square foot house.

01:06:44.500 Those, those days are going, those houses are going the way of, of the Newport, Rhode Island houses.

01:06:52.300 I think, um, the economy is going to, uh, go south.

01:06:58.360 Banking is going to get very tough again, much tougher than it was in 2008.

01:07:03.600 Loans are going to be extremely difficult to get.

01:07:06.760 Don't, don't overspend.

01:07:10.260 Uh, if you're looking to sell your house, sell your house right now, sell your house right now.

01:07:16.060 There's a story in the wall street journal today.

01:07:18.580 I mean, Texas is doing really well, really well.

01:07:22.500 And the wall street journal came out a couple of days ago and said, the housing boom is over and it's beginning in Dallas.

01:07:30.680 That is what the wall street journal is saying.

01:07:32.840 And, uh, just want to thank, thank you, Glenn, for moving us here and selecting.

01:07:37.800 You're welcome.

01:07:38.920 You are welcome.

01:07:40.140 I love it here.

01:07:40.900 But I did, you know, I, I'm a big believer in renting.

01:07:43.020 I love renting.

01:07:43.720 And you bought a house for the first time.

01:07:45.620 Not the first time I've ever bought a house, but down here, I would live, lived here for five or six years before I bought a house.

01:07:51.820 And I didn't want to, I just, circumstances sort of, sort of made it.

01:07:56.100 So it was really the only thing I could do at the time.

01:07:58.200 I mean, so of course now, obviously now is going to be the time that they're going to, uh, the, well, it always turns around.

01:08:04.400 Boom is going to come to an end.

01:08:06.260 Uh, but yeah, I mean, that's what they're saying.

01:08:07.940 I mean, you know, look, there, there is some evidence here.

01:08:10.880 Um, you know, it's also on the back of a really strong economy.

01:08:13.420 And so there's those two things are sort of fighting it out.

01:08:15.600 They're saying that the housing market is the thing that is 16% of the economy, the housing market.

01:08:20.480 Uh, and they're saying that that is the one piece of this that's out of step with the others that are doing really well.

01:08:27.060 Um, and the, the, the belief is that there is, uh, there's some, there's still a good market for lower priced homes, but the higher priced homes are, uh, not doing as well.

01:08:37.440 Um, and I don't know.

01:08:39.840 I mean, like you never know with this stuff, obviously, like there was a time in 2006 where you were saying all this stuff and really nobody believed it.

01:08:47.500 I mean, that was the peak of the housing market in 2007.

01:08:49.740 They were saying, Hey, uh, Dow's going to go to 35,000 and, uh, you did not get on that bandwagon and it went down to six.

01:08:56.940 Uh, so it has come back.

01:08:58.740 I have the same, I have the same feeling that I had in 06 and 07 that it's coming.

01:09:03.960 It's around the corner.

01:09:04.640 Can't tell you when, but it's, uh, it's, we're close.

01:09:07.500 We're close enough to where I'm reevaluating absolutely everything.

01:09:11.420 And we're due.

01:09:11.960 We are due.

01:09:12.980 We're past due.

01:09:13.600 Yeah.

01:09:13.940 We're due for a downturn here.

01:09:15.700 I hope, I hope it doesn't happen.

01:09:17.300 Again, I think we know we have tariffs are not helping.

01:09:20.980 Definitely not helping.

01:09:22.020 I mean, I don't know that they're big enough now to cause, no, they're, you know, a massive collapse by themselves.

01:09:27.160 Um, but if we go to, I mean, if we implement all the things that have been proposed, this puts us higher than every single industrialized country in the world.

01:09:37.480 Um, and the only one, I mean, if you want to talk about a major country that would be close to us, the only one you can really talk about would be Pakistan.

01:09:43.920 Everything else, I mean, any of the typical U.S. trading partners you'd think about are way less, a quarter or a third of what we would be at.

01:09:53.720 And those are the high market ones.

01:09:55.040 In fact, really, the only, the only countries that would be ahead of us are isolated island countries like Bermuda and the Bahamas who would have higher rates.

01:10:03.680 Now, hopefully, those things don't get implemented and we don't have to deal with that.

01:10:07.020 But that is a real danger.

01:10:08.220 If they do get implemented, we're in serious, serious trouble.

01:10:10.840 So, I was talking to a few people last night and reaching out and asking for advice, people I respect.

01:10:16.200 And I said, where do you put money?

01:10:17.940 Because what is, what is Bitcoin down to today?

01:10:20.020 Jeez, uh, 36.62.

01:10:23.420 Thirty, six, 62.

01:10:25.860 Still considerably up from when we first started talking about it.

01:10:29.480 Yeah.

01:10:29.660 I mean, you know, a lot of people, I get these messages every once in a while like, hey, Bitcoin's down.

01:10:33.480 But I've still made a lot of money.

01:10:35.420 Thank God I listened to you guys at the beginning.

01:10:37.080 Yeah.

01:10:37.220 But yeah, I mean, it's still, it sucks.

01:10:39.480 Yeah, I mean, it's scary.

01:10:40.560 It's definitely scary.

01:10:41.580 Now, why is that?

01:10:44.860 I talked to Tika Tiwari.

01:10:46.800 He's a guy who said it's going to be at $40,000 by the end of the year.

01:10:50.720 Clearly, clearly inaccurate.

01:10:53.140 Clearly not going to happen.

01:10:55.360 I talked to him recently and said, so what's the deal?

01:10:59.440 He said, it's bogus.

01:11:01.700 It's, this is all bogus.

01:11:03.020 Everything that is happening is because the, the big institutions are talking it down while

01:11:10.200 they're positioning themselves to open up giant trading desks into crypto.

01:11:16.460 So is that going on?

01:11:18.960 I don't know.

01:11:19.980 What is it?

01:11:20.820 Yeah.

01:11:21.060 How do you, where would you, what do you think is solid ground for investing?

01:11:25.120 I never think there's solid ground to investing, but I, you know, it depends on your outlook,

01:11:33.060 right?

01:11:33.380 I mean, I don't know where you put your money.

01:11:34.740 If you, if your outlook is, is in the very short term, right?

01:11:37.700 And you're looking and you look and say, well, put it in the bank.

01:11:39.880 I don't trust the banks.

01:11:40.920 The banks, remember in 08, they changed everything, put you last.

01:11:45.600 The depositor is now last in the chain.

01:11:49.440 So the bank goes out.

01:11:51.280 They don't have to pay you.

01:11:52.400 They can use your money in your account to pay other bills.

01:11:56.440 They changed that after 2008.

01:11:58.540 That's not good.

01:11:59.200 And you, I mean, look, you're, you're down this, you're basically Ron Swanson when it

01:12:02.580 comes to this.

01:12:03.200 So you've got, uh, your ATM card is a shovel that you dig up gold in your backyard.

01:12:07.720 So I don't know, but you are, I mean, I, I think that if you're looking at these things,

01:12:13.180 you know, there are some exciting, you know, there's exciting developments.

01:12:16.320 There's still a lot of, and the economy is still strong.

01:12:18.620 The unemployment is, is very low.

01:12:21.200 Wage growth is going up.

01:12:22.400 I mean, I'd be concerned too.

01:12:23.840 One of the reasons they're talking about this with the housing market is that people bought

01:12:28.560 a house a few years ago, their house price has, has increased considerably.

01:12:34.320 And, uh, what also has happened is interest rates have gone up now.

01:12:37.960 Yes.

01:12:38.180 So now they've, they're stuck.

01:12:39.420 They're in this house with a great interest rate that they don't think they can get again.

01:12:42.380 And they're probably right.

01:12:43.560 And if they go to another house, what they get is a new mortgage with a higher rate where

01:12:49.020 they get less house for the money.

01:12:50.260 So why leave?

01:12:51.140 And that's one of the things that's hurting the market.

01:12:52.740 All right.

01:12:52.960 I want to talk to you a little bit about the Palm beach letter, uh, and a little bit about

01:12:56.660 Bitcoin and learning about cryptocurrency.

01:12:59.800 Oh, was that a commercial?

01:13:00.460 I was, I didn't realize it was, I was starting into, starting into one.

01:13:03.440 I just went on a rant.

01:13:04.120 My question was not a commercial, but, um, uh, the smart crypto course, Tanya and I were

01:13:08.300 sitting last night, we were talking about it and we looked, have you seen light coin?

01:13:11.840 It's like 24 bucks light coin.

01:13:14.680 Wow.

01:13:15.540 Um, I don't know.

01:13:17.140 I don't know.

01:13:17.820 Uh, I will tell you that, uh, you need to understand cryptocurrency.

01:13:22.220 Uh, you need to understand what is, what's happening, why it's happening, why blockchain

01:13:28.600 is so important and why these big, huge companies like chase are, are getting ready to open up

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01:13:57.120 Glenn back.

01:13:58.220 I really want to talk to you more about, uh, Bitcoin Stu, cause I, I, I think there's a

01:14:02.420 lot there that we should, uh, we should talk about.

01:14:05.980 Also, we're just not going to get to this.

01:14:07.720 The giant cow, uh, called Knickers in Australia.

01:14:13.360 Okay.

01:14:13.700 He is as tall as Michael Jordan.

01:14:19.160 Look at this picture.

01:14:20.800 Wow.

01:14:21.620 It's this cow that makes all the other huge cows look like they're babies.

01:14:27.940 Yeah.

01:14:29.200 It is just one.

01:14:30.380 It just one.

01:14:31.680 Uh, it is, uh, 76 inches tall, almost seven feet.

01:14:38.440 Uh, it weighs 3000 pounds.

01:14:47.820 You just don't want to mess with this one.

01:14:51.740 The average cow is 58 inches and weighs 2,200.

01:14:56.960 This is over 3000 and 76 inches, a seven.

01:15:01.140 Can you imagine walking up to a cow and you're looking up to it like a kid?

01:15:07.360 And all of a sudden, first time cows look menacing all of a sudden.

01:15:15.960 Glenn Beck.

01:15:17.440 So when you're writing a book about football, you go right to the guy who knows everything

01:15:24.940 about it.

01:15:25.480 Glenn Beck.

01:15:25.940 That's the first, uh, the, the, the literary agents say you got to get on the Glenn Beck

01:15:29.620 program.

01:15:30.040 Number one on the press tour.

01:15:31.220 It's definitely the first stop.

01:15:32.500 Uh, you want to do a feeling.

01:15:33.860 We're not the number one stop.

01:15:35.680 Um, but we're thrilled to have a couple of guests, uh, talking about the new book brainwashed

01:15:41.280 the bad science behind CTE and the plot to destroy football.

01:15:45.400 Yeah.

01:15:45.440 Very cool.

01:15:45.960 Dr.

01:15:46.380 Peter Cummings.

01:15:46.920 Who's a board certified forensic neuropathic pathologist.

01:15:49.620 I'm never going to be a pathologist.

01:15:51.120 Pathologist.

01:15:51.500 Thank you.

01:15:51.980 Uh, and also of course, Merrill Hodge, who everybody knows except for Glenn, because Glenn doesn't

01:15:55.600 know anything about sports, but if he did, he would look at him in this, uh, well tailored

01:15:59.940 suit and say, you were a professional athlete.

01:16:03.240 He identifies athletes by the fashion.

01:16:05.240 Oh, no, no, no.

01:16:06.140 By the, by the, by the, he has to have that one specially cut because his shoulders are

01:16:11.060 big and his waist is a little tight.

01:16:13.520 He sees in good, good shape.

01:16:15.300 Thank you guys for doing this.

01:16:16.100 This is a, this is a pleasure.

01:16:17.800 Really interesting topic.

01:16:19.060 The book brainwashed is, I think really important from the perspective of it.

01:16:23.960 It, it, it gives a little bit more context into a story, uh, that people have followed

01:16:29.060 very, uh, very loosely.

01:16:30.720 I think, you know, I think I was joking before we came on the air that I, you know, most people's,

01:16:34.600 uh, understanding of this issue starts with Will Smith was a doctor.

01:16:37.960 Um, and Will Smith actually was not a doctor.

01:16:40.160 He played that in a, he was in a movie.

01:16:41.780 Um, the movie was concussion.

01:16:43.240 And I think that's the set the narrative for CTE and the NFL.

01:16:47.140 So let me, let me take this because I'm not a football fan and I have been following this.

01:16:52.040 I think like the average American who is not a big fan.

01:16:55.260 Okay.

01:16:55.600 So let's start with, let's start with this.

01:16:57.580 And I may be below the average American.

01:17:00.100 Okay.

01:17:01.140 CTE, uh, is caused by a repeated injury to the head.

01:17:06.660 Cause you guys are knocking heads, uh, over and over again.

01:17:09.580 The NFL knew about this, uh, you know, people are, you know, turning into vegetables.

01:17:15.740 They didn't care.

01:17:17.120 They hid all of this science from people.

01:17:20.080 And now people like you are out.

01:17:22.680 And, uh, we don't know if you have, do you have any of the signs of CTE?

01:17:26.980 Well, they don't know really what the signs are.

01:17:29.520 Symptoms are.

01:17:30.280 Okay.

01:17:30.480 So if we go back to everything that you just mentioned there, actually, we are here because

01:17:35.800 you're global and this actual message is global.

01:17:38.600 It's not just football.

01:17:39.760 You know, my, I, I tell people my first, my son's first, uh, concussion ever slipped in

01:17:45.280 a shower.

01:17:46.040 Okay.

01:17:46.480 Now it's four days before his first bowl game ever, but he's now ineligible to play.

01:17:50.300 Even though the concussion was not in an athletic environment or say practice in football,

01:17:55.780 he slipped in a shower because for, for an hour, I was trying to get in a boat of all the

01:18:01.100 things that you could have done and the best athlete I've ever seen.

01:18:05.800 How do you slip in a shower?

01:18:07.640 Um, but he can't play.

01:18:09.120 He can't play.

01:18:09.860 I mean, that's just, but concussions and head trauma happen all the time, all the time in

01:18:14.780 all kinds of environments.

01:18:15.740 It's not just an athletic environment.

01:18:17.720 So there are so many things that you said right there and you say, um, you know, repetitive

01:18:22.720 head injuries cause it.

01:18:24.120 Okay.

01:18:24.280 There's no scientific evidence of that.

01:18:26.680 Um, but in the media they have, they used words like linked cause.

01:18:32.080 There's not one piece of scientific literature that has those words in it linked or cause.

01:18:37.560 So wait, is there any, is there any statistical proof that shows this happens to more football

01:18:44.060 players than the, than the average society?

01:18:46.680 Well, the, the issue is this and the questions you're asking are great because they're the

01:18:51.280 same questions we asked each other.

01:18:52.700 You know, I, I know Merrill's a former NFL player, but I grew up loving football, but I

01:18:57.760 banned it in my house because I didn't want my son to play it.

01:19:00.600 Cause I, I'd seen this narrative that was being broadcast.

01:19:04.520 And this is your expertise and this is my expertise, right?

01:19:07.540 So when my son became interested in football, um, I took it upon myself to sit down proactively

01:19:13.020 and go through the science and then look at the sport and see how that had changed.

01:19:16.560 And one of the things you start to notice is this, this narrative now that is sort of

01:19:21.640 believed that if you play football, you're inevitably going to get concussions.

01:19:25.880 You're inevitably going to get CTE.

01:19:28.000 You're inevitably, inevitably going to become suicidal, depressed, anxious, and demented.

01:19:33.400 And that just doesn't exist scientifically.

01:19:35.780 If you actually look at the mortality studies that have been done on, and this is NFL players.

01:19:40.660 So it's really hard to bring this back to youth football players because 99% of the

01:19:44.720 football players in this country are not going to play beyond high school.

01:19:48.140 So you'll see that NFL players live longer.

01:19:51.540 They have longer lifespans.

01:19:52.680 They have healthier lifestyles.

01:19:54.180 They have lower rates of suicide rates and homicide rates that are a fraction of the general

01:20:00.220 population.

01:20:00.820 They have arrest rates that are lower than the general population.

01:20:05.120 You told me that's not the image that you think of now in the NFL.

01:20:07.240 Because you see it on TV and they're superstars.

01:20:10.320 I mean, these are gods to us in our society.

01:20:13.060 So if you hear it...

01:20:13.820 You would even think that you could explain some suicide from...

01:20:17.620 I mean, people identify with, what am I going to do with my life?

01:20:22.120 If you've wanted to play football your whole life and then it's over, you can really go...

01:20:26.780 That could really screw with somebody's head, even if you're not been hit in the head.

01:20:30.700 Well, you know, I try to use this with people to make them understand that.

01:20:33.820 Now, Glenn, I know you've been doing this for a long, long time.

01:20:35.780 Let's just say something happens to you and I'm saying you can never do radio or TV again.

01:20:40.120 You're dying.

01:20:41.000 Now, that right there can put you in a depressive state.

01:20:44.080 That transition to, you know, what we call...

01:20:46.580 Chuck Knoll was the greatest man I've ever been around, greatest leader and coach.

01:20:50.160 He used to always talk to us about our life's work.

01:20:52.740 He's like, men, it's not football.

01:20:54.900 You know, get your education.

01:20:56.340 Use the relationships.

01:20:57.500 You're going to have to do something else with your life's work.

01:21:00.720 Well, when you transition from football to your life's work, that's not easy for any football player.

01:21:07.820 And I think the more that football was your life and the more you really worked on your life's work,

01:21:13.860 that bridge over there, the bigger the struggle is, the longer that can take.

01:21:18.800 And then you add the things that we know cause, have connections with our mental health, cancers,

01:21:27.680 and every cardiovascular disease is drugs, alcohol, opioids, obesity, sugar, inflammation.

01:21:34.700 Those are all lifestyle choices that are scientific evidence.

01:21:38.800 They contribute to all the things I just mentioned.

01:21:41.340 Well, we control those choices.

01:21:43.040 Those aren't things like age or genetics where nobody can control age.

01:21:48.320 Nobody can really, if there's a genetic link, knowing it's good so I can be proactive,

01:21:53.300 but I can't change my genetics.

01:21:54.780 They are my facts.

01:21:55.860 But a majority of all the things that create a lot of the cognitive brain health issues we have

01:22:00.760 stems from all those things I just said, drugs, alcohol, opioids, inflammation, sugar,

01:22:06.800 all of those things which are a lifestyle choice.

01:22:08.860 So, and again, excuse me for just being a regular layperson on this, haven't paid attention,

01:22:14.320 but are you saying that getting hit in the head did not increase the problems with people like Muhammad Ali?

01:22:26.080 Well, I think there's a difference between that.

01:22:29.260 Because if you look kind of historically at this CTE science,

01:22:34.720 the first original cases were from the 20s in boxers.

01:22:38.300 And these were guys that boxed all year.

01:22:40.780 And after they finished their whatever tournament or whatever they were doing their season,

01:22:45.280 they would go box in carnivals.

01:22:47.620 They would, you know, do sideshows.

01:22:49.820 So it was a constant thing.

01:22:51.380 So we know that there's a real thing that happens with boxers.

01:22:56.500 It has to be.

01:22:57.260 And it's been really well described in the literature.

01:22:59.820 And there's, you know, so if you want to bring it up to football,

01:23:03.300 I mean, nobody's going to say that hitting your head is okay one time or a hundred times.

01:23:07.600 And we do a lot of things to try to prevent that.

01:23:09.920 But that's not the same as boxing.

01:23:11.380 It's not the same as boxing.

01:23:13.100 And so if you look at the boxing population of people and what their brains kind of look like

01:23:17.520 when they looked at them in the autopsies versus what the football players' brains look like,

01:23:22.860 they have different pathologies in them.

01:23:25.740 And there are some people in Europe and Britain that say, you know,

01:23:28.240 CTE doesn't exist outside of boxing.

01:23:30.360 The Americans are cuckoo.

01:23:32.140 You know, so we're not really sure.

01:23:33.600 And Merrill has said it so perfectly a million times, I'm going to steal his line,

01:23:37.960 that with CTE, we don't know what causes it and we don't know what it causes.

01:23:42.520 And I think that is where the science is right now.

01:23:45.460 And you know something that I think it was really the final spark that drove this book

01:23:49.860 is when I went from neuropathologists and neuropathologists in this country and Canada,

01:23:55.000 and they all kept coming back to, guys, we don't, it's an observation state.

01:23:59.620 We do not know anything beyond that.

01:24:01.840 We have cases where they never played football.

01:24:04.200 We have cases where they have no history of head trauma.

01:24:06.320 They never played sports.

01:24:07.620 I'm like, well, time out.

01:24:08.800 If you have cases where you didn't even play sports and they have this pattern

01:24:13.500 and they had no history of head trauma, how can we only hear about football ones and sports ones?

01:24:20.920 And now people think it's only in that arena when we have all these cases outside that arena.

01:24:26.460 And that's when the discrepancy of what science really says versus what we see in the media

01:24:30.880 was so grotesquely off that I just believed that people needed all the information

01:24:36.740 to understand the science, to help them with the choices that they're making with their families and their kids.

01:24:42.500 Okay, so let me take a break and then we can come back in because the name of the book is Brainwashed.

01:24:47.040 And the second part of it, the plot to destroy football.

01:24:50.700 So let's talk about the media and their role and the, quote, plot to destroy football.

01:24:58.380 Kind of a heavy charge when we come back in just a second.

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01:26:48.600 We're talking to NFL great Merrill Hodge and Dr. Peter Cummings about their new book, Brainwashed.

01:26:59.160 And we were, it's about CTE and the NFL and what's true and what isn't.

01:27:03.280 I did an interview with Dr. David Chow from San Diego.

01:27:06.220 He's a former head doctor of the San Diego Chargers and now does a lot of NFL injury stuff.

01:27:11.960 And talking to him was fascinating because it was the first exposure I ever had to any skepticism from the idea that you go in the NFL, you get CTE.

01:27:20.920 That's pretty much what the media says.

01:27:22.220 And he said, there's much more that we don't know about CTE than we do know.

01:27:28.340 He talked about, is this true?

01:27:30.140 I mean, is it, is it, you know, hereditary?

01:27:33.620 Is it other people in other sports and other professions?

01:27:37.720 What do we know?

01:27:38.920 What is the actual facts?

01:27:41.120 Well, let me just tell you this and Dr. Cummings will build on this in a much better way.

01:27:46.480 But when you start, when I ask these neuropathologists about, you know, the pattern, since it's an observation state, you don't know what causes it.

01:27:53.860 You don't know what it causes.

01:27:55.180 And they start sharing all of these cases where, you know, they find the pattern in somebody who never played football, you know, never had a history of concussion, never had a head trauma.

01:28:04.740 There's a four-month-old and a one-year-old that have found the pattern in.

01:28:09.700 Well, right there, you can't obviously blame sports or football.

01:28:13.780 But what was interesting in some of the literature, like even the science papers, if you read the science papers, they are, there's clarity there, too, that they don't know.

01:28:24.400 They say it a hundred times in the paper.

01:28:26.040 We don't know.

01:28:26.560 We don't know.

01:28:27.460 But those people who wrote the paper are the ones that are in the media giving you the quotes where, oh, I got to believe everybody has this.

01:28:34.660 Let's play football.

01:28:36.020 How is it that you, because didn't you earlier say we don't even know really what it is?

01:28:41.140 You don't know.

01:28:41.960 I mean, how do you, what are the symptoms?

01:28:44.200 Well, nobody knows.

01:28:45.380 Science hasn't been able to get that answer yet.

01:28:47.340 So how do we know what, you know, when you say babies had it, how do we know if there's no set of...

01:28:52.740 Good question.

01:28:53.840 There's, outside in the kind of football world, CTE papers, there's, and this is something you touched on a second ago, the voices of skepticism.

01:29:03.820 When I started this journey for myself, you know, I thought it was Don Quixote swinging at windmills.

01:29:09.620 You know, am I the only person that sees that this isn't matching up?

01:29:13.340 And that's not how you started.

01:29:14.580 That's not how I started.

01:29:15.400 I started with not wanting my kid to even watch football on TV.

01:29:17.860 So when I started doing some research on my own, looking these papers up, I found people like Dr. Chow, who's a fantastic guy.

01:29:26.060 We've talked a couple of times.

01:29:27.120 And I found out that, you know, a lot of the people, majority of the people in my neurotrauma world feel the same way I do, have the same opinion that I have about this.

01:29:37.000 And so one of the things we try to talk about in this book is try to show that research that's out there that contradicts a lot of the things that we've taken to be truth about CTE.

01:29:47.120 So when you start looking, you find these cases of people who have never played football that have CTE, like this one epilepsy case series that had a one-year-old, a four-month-old, I think two one-year-olds.

01:30:01.180 You know, how do they have, and they have temporal lobe resections.

01:30:04.340 They take out a piece of temporal lobe out of their brains, and you look at them under the microscope for this protein tau, which we all have.

01:30:11.460 It's a normal protein that helps stabilize nerve cells.

01:30:14.220 But if something happens to the nerve cell, the tau becomes what's called hyperphosphorylated.

01:30:20.560 A lot of phosphate groups get stuck on it.

01:30:22.400 It gets sticky.

01:30:23.860 And so they found this same pattern in these children and in all of the epileptic cases that they looked at who had never played contact sports.

01:30:33.360 So when you start looking at these cases and you have to say, well, did they even have symptoms of CTE or what we think might be symptoms of CTE?

01:30:41.660 They didn't.

01:30:42.420 And so we haven't been able to figure any of that out yet in science.

01:30:45.400 All we know is we have this pattern.

01:30:47.700 And like I said, we don't know what causes it, and we don't know what it causes.

01:30:51.200 Well, there's a lot of money at stake for, you know, against the NFL.

01:30:59.840 The NFL is spending a lot of money to try to help people along, are they not?

01:31:05.680 Actually, but see, the NHL and the NFL have already settled.

01:31:09.220 So, like, people ask me this, well, what will NFL players say about your book?

01:31:12.640 I'm like, wouldn't you want to know the truth?

01:31:15.120 I mean, at the end of the day, wouldn't you want to know all of the facts, everything, somebody to do the work and explain it to you?

01:31:20.280 And then, listen, I'm not telling you to like football.

01:31:22.360 I'm not telling you how you should change your mind.

01:31:24.920 I'm just asking you to open your mind to all of the information.

01:31:27.960 You use it how you want.

01:31:29.320 Well, the settlement for NHL and the NFL is done.

01:31:31.980 Now, what people don't know, it's settled with unsettled science.

01:31:36.140 The science is not confirmed one way or the other.

01:31:38.400 It's just settled.

01:31:39.500 So this has no bearing on it.

01:31:41.500 The NFL got nailed a billion dollars.

01:31:43.000 That billion dollars is for players and health issues, cognitive health issues, which is –

01:31:48.920 I could do a whole other show on just how much money is going to be sitting there going to waste when it could go to other things that were football related.

01:31:56.900 And the NHL did the same thing.

01:31:58.160 So it's over.

01:31:59.260 So this is not going to change any of that.

01:32:01.140 Then I can't go back to court and go, hey, we read the book Brainwashed, and I think we've got –

01:32:06.660 make them prove the science before we settle.

01:32:08.800 Right.

01:32:09.080 Because nobody can prove the science.

01:32:10.640 That's just a problem.

01:32:11.440 You can't prove it because there's no science there for it.

01:32:15.260 But being just settled.

01:32:16.440 So if it doesn't affect any of that, your main motivation for writing the book is –

01:32:23.760 Families, kids, my passion for kids, my passion for youth football.

01:32:27.540 That's why I went – in 2009, I was the first person, player, coach, parent, dad, that stood in front of Congress and go, listen,

01:32:35.420 my career ended because of this in 1994.

01:32:37.880 We changed what we do in the NFL.

01:32:39.900 This is 2009.

01:32:41.180 I'm in front of Congress.

01:32:42.240 We're doing stuff in the NFL, NCAA.

01:32:44.060 Okay, 99% of our football players are ages 8 to 18, and we're doing nothing there.

01:32:50.580 Let's establish a protocol.

01:32:52.100 And actually, what I challenged them to do with all of sports, because what I'd found out even to that point,

01:32:57.120 I'd been implementing a head trauma protocol in my youth program for years, that if we do these things,

01:33:03.960 if your son or daughter has any type of head trauma in any environment, do the one thing that's most important.

01:33:08.980 Remove them from that environment and don't let them return.

01:33:11.660 If you just do that –

01:33:12.740 So your son's never showered.

01:33:16.100 You know what?

01:33:17.460 That's a great point.

01:33:18.840 It's a humorous side, but a realistic one.

01:33:21.660 It could happen anywhere in our life.

01:33:23.240 So wouldn't it be better to know about it?

01:33:24.840 So you remove them.

01:33:25.940 And you know what?

01:33:27.040 Evaluate them.

01:33:27.800 If you need to get them to a neuropathologist or a medical professional to be evaluated before they return to that activity,

01:33:33.480 that's the best thing and safest thing you can do for your kids.

01:33:35.680 So at least do that for them.

01:33:37.680 So that's why I went to Congress.

01:33:38.660 Can we do that?

01:33:39.460 Can we get a protocol to really help create a safer environment for our kids when they're being active?

01:33:45.940 It's fascinating, too.

01:33:46.940 I think –

01:33:47.280 I'm going to talk to him about that shower deal.

01:33:48.680 Yeah.

01:33:50.280 The way they've gone after the NFL I think has been interesting in this because the way they portray it is this doctor from Nigeria comes up.

01:33:57.600 He discovers this, goes to the NFL, proves it to them.

01:34:00.560 They ignore it because they want money.

01:34:03.320 Now, in reality, they have some of the top doctors there.

01:34:05.480 There was disagreement at the time and still is to some level.

01:34:10.180 Not to some level.

01:34:11.320 There seems to be a lot.

01:34:12.400 Major disagreement.

01:34:14.060 But was there a time that they didn't act fast enough?

01:34:16.940 Did they slow play this at all?

01:34:18.580 Well, here's where you – actually, my career and my history is interwoven in all of those people.

01:34:24.840 Dr. Maroon and Dr. Lovell were the first group of doctors to ever do cognitive testing in 1991 before any neuropathologist, neurologist in the world was even thinking of doing something like that for sports.

01:34:34.340 Wow.

01:34:34.520 Because Chuck Knoll challenged them to give him subjective and objective information, not just one, give me two.

01:34:41.060 That's why that test was created.

01:34:43.360 30 seconds here before we get ready.

01:34:44.620 If you look at my career, what they got nailed for, it was not reacting quick enough.

01:34:49.780 It wasn't like they're hiding stuff.

01:34:51.760 They just choose.

01:34:53.160 They didn't react fast enough.

01:34:54.620 They didn't get the cognitive test established quick enough.

01:34:57.640 It wasn't like they knew something that everybody else didn't know.

01:35:00.020 It's not like the tobacco industry.

01:35:01.920 Nothing like that.

01:35:02.380 Okay, so let's get into what they did know and the press and how this has all been spun when we come back.

01:35:14.760 There's a new book called Brainwashed, the bad science behind CTE and the plot to destroy football.

01:35:21.780 The author is Meryl Hodge.

01:35:24.460 Hodge.

01:35:25.020 You knew you were going to say it.

01:35:25.980 I always do.

01:35:27.020 You do it every time.

01:35:27.620 I'm going to punch my ancestors when I see them.

01:35:29.560 Just put a D in there.

01:35:30.820 Come on.

01:35:31.080 And Peter Cummings, who is a board-certified forensic neuropathologist.

01:35:38.240 They've been studying CTE.

01:35:41.080 Meryl, you're one of the first people that were going through cognitive testing with the NFL back in the early 90s.

01:35:48.440 There's one part of this, the plot to destroy football.

01:35:52.460 Plot is a pretty heavy word.

01:35:54.720 Is it a plot to destroy football?

01:35:56.840 If you look at, I'll just give you one example.

01:36:00.620 We were just talking about how you can have some type of head trauma.

01:36:04.100 We joke about my son, slips in the shower.

01:36:06.580 Okay.

01:36:07.120 Thanksgiving, I watch a seven-year-old crawl under a coffee table and try to get out too soon.

01:36:10.840 Boom.

01:36:11.160 Cracks his head.

01:36:12.000 Cuts his head open.

01:36:12.840 So, you know, can have a car accident, wheel to sports, across the board.

01:36:16.460 They've got legislation in California to ban tackle football until age 14.

01:36:22.480 Now, you can still box at age 8, MMA fight at age 8.

01:36:26.480 Jeez.

01:36:27.000 You can play soccer, lacrosse, every other contact sport.

01:36:30.840 Or why would you just single out football in five different states?

01:36:37.200 There's no scientific evidence whatsoever that contact sports or contact activities,

01:36:41.360 wheeled sports, jumping on trampolines, having pillow fights, being a kid, living life, being active,

01:36:47.100 has ever caused development issues in our younger age later in life.

01:36:52.980 There's no scientific evidence of that.

01:36:55.080 They have none of that, so why would you target this that?

01:36:57.540 Why would you bring that legislation to any state with no scientific evidence whatsoever?

01:37:03.120 And if you really say, well, we care about kids, why aren't you doing it for all sports?

01:37:07.880 Why aren't you doing it?

01:37:08.500 Yeah, especially boxing.

01:37:09.900 I mean, boxing.

01:37:10.860 MMA.

01:37:11.780 Yeah, MMA.

01:37:13.040 I mean, it's so clear that you're getting punched in the face.

01:37:16.120 That's the point.

01:37:17.120 Exactly.

01:37:17.520 To punch somebody in the head.

01:37:19.080 Yeah.

01:37:20.000 Until they're knocked out.

01:37:22.740 Right.

01:37:23.040 Hello.

01:37:23.540 And then in boxing, they do the right thing, and they remove them and don't let them box again.

01:37:26.680 I'm like, okay, well, in case what?

01:37:29.100 You don't have, that is the objective there.

01:37:31.540 So when, like, all of that is excluded, you have to ask the people, what are you doing?

01:37:35.360 What's your purpose?

01:37:36.260 What's the motivation there?

01:37:37.160 I mean, I think part of it, you know, football gets targeted because, you know, science, health,

01:37:42.600 food reporting is worse than even, we complain about political bias and reporting all the

01:37:46.000 time, but the science and health reporting is worse, I think.

01:37:49.460 The media is terrible at doing this.

01:37:51.220 And so I think because it's, you know, there's a Will Smith movie out there, you know?

01:37:55.240 I mean, there's all of this momentum.

01:37:57.320 As soon as it gets into the zeitgeist, it's over.

01:37:59.400 Yeah.

01:37:59.740 And that's why, is that why football is targeted?

01:38:01.860 Is there some other reason why they think?

01:38:04.800 Well, listen, we've done some interviews with the media, and we talk, we have this conversation.

01:38:10.320 Okay, listen, why?

01:38:11.640 Why do you keep bringing, like, people keep wanting to bring back the NFL?

01:38:14.680 They kind of want to keep circling back the NFL.

01:38:16.120 I go, I didn't write the book for the NFL.

01:38:18.080 It has nothing to do about the NFL other than my career is interwined there, and I can tell

01:38:22.980 you the truth about everything.

01:38:24.820 And they would literally say to us, because it's the big ticket.

01:38:27.900 I said, what are you talking about?

01:38:28.940 So ignore all of the true facts that you're sending to the people who read you or read

01:38:33.780 your stuff or listen to you.

01:38:35.200 Forget giving them all the truth and all the information.

01:38:37.860 You're going to circle and keep targeting football because it's the big ticket?

01:38:41.240 I mean, to me, that's just a grotesque abuse of your journalistic lack of skills.

01:38:47.100 It's also a misread, I think, of who people really are.

01:38:54.060 Yes, the NFL is an interesting story, but are you going to play, are you going to let your

01:38:59.720 kids play football, yes or no, is something that all of us have to deal with.

01:39:04.540 Whether that football player or that football player have CTE in their life and they've been

01:39:09.980 screwed by somebody in the NFL, that's not affecting me.

01:39:13.600 But I know in my family, are we going to let our son play football?

01:39:19.100 Your family is going to play football?

01:39:20.960 That's something we all deal with.

01:39:22.840 Right.

01:39:23.300 And you both dealt with it too.

01:39:24.740 Right.

01:39:25.060 And I'm going to tell you this.

01:39:26.220 People ask me that.

01:39:27.740 They ask me, were you surprised at what you found when I went on the journey?

01:39:31.620 Because listen, I went on there with a headline, but I have great connections, relationship.

01:39:37.460 It didn't make sense to me.

01:39:38.800 The numbers don't add up.

01:39:40.160 I've played in the NFL.

01:39:41.360 I go to NFL alumni events all the time.

01:39:43.000 There's hundreds of NFL, former NFL players in their 60s, 70s, 80s.

01:39:47.580 We just had three pass away here in the last month.

01:39:50.120 Late 80s, early 90s.

01:39:51.900 I mean, it's played back in the 50s and 60s when you couldn't even drink water.

01:39:56.700 You're considered soft.

01:39:57.800 Right.

01:39:58.640 Plastic helmets.

01:39:59.500 And so the quest to find out really the truth of it, I was actually more shocked than I thought that how uncertain they were with everything and all these cases that existed outside of sports.

01:40:11.820 But it did make me think, because I asked the follow-up question, if I'd have found out the opposite.

01:40:17.060 Had I found out the opposite, I'd have pulled my son out of football immediately.

01:40:20.760 I'd have ripped him out of football that second if I really thought this had anything to do with it.

01:40:26.500 Because you're putting even more than your money where your mouth is here.

01:40:28.560 Yeah, because it's the same place as your kids.

01:40:29.820 Right.

01:40:30.120 And you're doing the same thing.

01:40:31.140 That's why we got you as a doctor into this.

01:40:33.460 Right.

01:40:33.740 And the same thing, if I had felt for one second that there was enough information there to keep my kid from playing football, I'd be screaming this from the top of a mountain.

01:40:42.280 You know, but I found the opposite.

01:40:43.440 And Merrill touched on an interesting point of his NFL alumni friends.

01:40:47.260 There have been a number of studies from some big universities like Mayo and Vanderbilt that have followed football players for 50 years after high school careers.

01:40:56.060 And, I mean, hundreds of them and found that they don't have any increased risk of dementia, Parkinson's disease, ALS, or any of these things we think you're going to get from playing football.

01:41:06.820 They did find, they compared them to athletes that didn't play football.

01:41:10.720 And they also compared them to band members and members of Glee Club.

01:41:14.880 And I think the highest rate of dementia was actually in the clarinet players.

01:41:18.040 That makes sense, though.

01:41:18.740 It does.

01:41:19.440 I mean, you're taking up the clarinet, you're like, there's something wrong with you.

01:41:22.040 There's my next book, band clarinets.

01:41:23.680 But it's interesting, though, because, I mean, some of these studies, when you're talking about life expectancy, show that baseball players have shorter lives than football players, which, again, you wouldn't, people would not think that.

01:41:34.500 But the science is the science.

01:41:36.180 And, you know, you want to look at it with an honest eye and get out of the media sort of firestorms about these things.

01:41:42.860 And it doesn't seem that a lot of people are able to do that, especially when you're making a decision about your kids.

01:41:46.880 That's emotional.

01:41:47.840 Yeah.

01:41:48.260 People get emotional.

01:41:48.940 So it's got to be tough for you, Meryl, because your son can't play.

01:41:53.600 You just said you're one of the best athletes I've ever seen.

01:41:56.440 Yeah.

01:41:58.300 He gets a concussion from slipping in the shower.

01:42:01.220 He now can't play.

01:42:02.780 He was quarterback.

01:42:03.660 Right.

01:42:03.940 Right.

01:42:05.340 So you've got it's got to be a double whammy to you because you're like, this isn't even true.

01:42:12.080 He came back, though.

01:42:13.140 He came back.

01:42:13.720 Yeah.

01:42:13.800 He comes back and plays.

01:42:14.980 But based on when he got the concussion, he couldn't play because it was four days before the game.

01:42:18.860 So that's why he couldn't play.

01:42:20.160 Oh, OK.

01:42:20.680 So that's just the proper protocol in place.

01:42:23.580 Yeah.

01:42:23.680 Yeah.

01:42:24.000 That's why I talk about we've been playing football for nearly 100 years.

01:42:27.820 And if I said to a family, when would be the best time for your kids to be active and involved in sports?

01:42:34.040 If you didn't say today, based on protocols, treatments, therapies, equipment, instruction and rules, if you did, you are extremely uninformed.

01:42:44.420 If you picked the 90 up to this last 10.

01:42:47.640 Yeah.

01:42:48.160 You're uninformed.

01:42:49.080 Because they have made major improvements.

01:42:50.640 Right.

01:42:51.080 Not just in protocols, but the equipment as well.

01:42:52.780 Listen, when I retired, I was in intensive care and I remember somebody telling me a NASCAR helmet's better than that football helmet you had on.

01:43:00.460 I said, well, A, why?

01:43:02.220 And B, why aren't we wearing NASCAR helmets?

01:43:04.140 They're like, a NASCAR helmet's meant to absorb impact.

01:43:06.980 It's got to withstand one car accident.

01:43:08.960 So you've got to get rid of that helmet or it's probably going to be.

01:43:11.700 Football helmets are meant to withstand impact.

01:43:14.400 Our helmets today are absorb and deflect impact.

01:43:17.780 So there's no concussion-proof helmet.

01:43:19.640 That's not what I'm saying.

01:43:20.380 But the technology in the protection and how we go about playing.

01:43:25.200 And if you do have head trauma, we do something about it now.

01:43:28.020 And there's treatments and therapies that they do for you to help heal your brain so that you return back in a safer environment and a better healthy environment.

01:43:36.440 That's exciting stuff.

01:43:37.720 But we don't hear that because of a headline that is still in the attention that the science can't back.

01:43:44.100 I remember a headline, and I don't even know if this is true, I remember a headline that said rugby players don't have this problem.

01:43:51.140 And they were saying that it's because of the technology of the NFL that it makes you more willing to really go for it because you know you're protected.

01:44:03.820 And so it gives you a false sense of security.

01:44:06.780 Is there anything to rugby players?

01:44:09.020 Well, they found it in rugby players.

01:44:11.020 They found it with the CTE pattern in rugby players, soccer players, or European football players.

01:44:16.740 The interesting thing about rugby, though, was that was an inspiration for a lot of rule changes.

01:44:23.100 And that's something else that a lot of parents don't know about.

01:44:25.080 And I was completely ignorant of rule changes in football when I started out with this.

01:44:29.420 I didn't just read the science papers.

01:44:31.140 I went to USA Football.

01:44:32.360 I went to Pop Warner.

01:44:33.240 I wanted to know what they were doing, even if there was a slightest risk.

01:44:36.960 How are we improving the game to account for this?

01:44:39.300 When we don't know, let's do something proactive.

01:44:42.640 So when you started, the rugby-style tackling became a really big popular thing.

01:44:46.620 Because when I grew up in Maine, we were in a kind of low-income town, and we didn't have a youth football team until I was like in 7th or 8th grade.

01:44:55.480 But we played morning, noon, and night on the playground and without equipment tackling.

01:44:59.840 And nobody got hurt.

01:45:00.820 We're not knowing at the time, but we were using rugby-style tackling of wrapping somebody up, pulling them down.

01:45:06.520 You kind of learn that technique on your own.

01:45:08.540 But that was a big inspiration for some of the techniques that are being used and taught now in football,

01:45:13.080 where we did have a situation where, because we had this great equipment, that the helmet became a weapon.

01:45:18.240 And people were launching into players.

01:45:20.500 And we're trying to get that out of the game when we learn more about safety.

01:45:23.860 So rugby has been a bit of an inspiration for football.

01:45:27.060 So the name of the book is Brainwashed.

01:45:28.920 If you are thinking about whether or not your kids should play in football and maybe even...

01:45:35.920 Shower.

01:45:36.960 Maybe shower.

01:45:37.580 Or if, you know, perhaps even more likely, if your wife is saying,

01:45:43.800 I don't want him to play football, and you want to back it up with the facts that it's not so bad.

01:45:52.740 Brainwashed is the name of the book.

01:45:54.220 Bad Science Behind CTE and the Plot to Destroy Football.

01:45:57.960 Thank you, guys.

01:45:58.680 Thank you for your work.

01:45:59.880 This was awesome.

01:46:00.440 Yeah, thank you.

01:46:00.960 Appreciate it.

01:46:01.620 And thanks for setting it straight for the right reasons.

01:46:07.080 Yeah.

01:46:07.600 That's about the kids.

01:46:08.800 Thank you.

01:46:09.160 All right.

01:46:09.440 That's great.

01:46:09.840 I had a mom come up to me and say, a long time ago before I started this,

01:46:14.420 and say, my son wants to play football.

01:46:16.300 Uh-oh.

01:46:16.600 What am I going to do?

01:46:17.820 You know, explain to me why you let your son play.

01:46:20.860 So we had the conversation.

01:46:22.940 And she comes back the next year.

01:46:24.740 He's, oh, he's playing football.

01:46:25.700 It's great.

01:46:26.080 We're a football family.

01:46:26.760 We love it.

01:46:27.100 And the best thing is he's showering every day now.

01:46:30.520 That's the big motivation for sports for parents.

01:46:32.700 It's just to get their kids to shower for once.

01:46:35.520 Thanks, guys.

01:46:36.140 We appreciate it.

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01:47:47.680 They've got an easy way for you to try it out.

01:47:49.220 It's a three week trial pack, 1995.

01:47:51.880 Give it a shot.

01:47:52.620 70% of the people who order the three week quick start, go on to order more.

01:47:55.620 It says a lot.

01:47:56.300 If you want your life back, give them a try.

01:47:58.260 It's an, it's a natural way to ease your pain.

01:48:00.200 Relieffactor.com is the place to go.

01:48:02.480 Relieffactor.com.

01:48:06.240 Glenn Beck.

01:48:07.400 So I want to give a plug to something that 99% of America, if not more, cannot appreciate.

01:48:15.240 But I, I'm giving a plug because I want you to find a place like this.

01:48:19.620 For the last couple of years, we brought our Christmas tree up in a place by the, by the

01:48:24.380 ranch.

01:48:24.700 It's, it's in Petersboro, Utah, and it's called Adam's Acres.

01:48:29.900 And we drive at least an hour to get there.

01:48:32.840 And we can't go get a tree any place else, but we found this place a couple of years

01:48:37.740 ago and it's run by a family and the kids are out.

01:48:43.600 The, the, the parents are there.

01:48:45.460 The grandparents were there and they're all working the farm.

01:48:49.980 And it was just this, this idea.

01:48:52.200 We wanted to do something as a family that would last.

01:48:55.600 And so we decided to do a tree farm.

01:48:57.880 They didn't know what they were doing.

01:48:59.140 And they were like, Oh, this is a lot bigger job than we thought it was.

01:49:02.920 They opened it up a couple of years ago and it is just, it's like walking into, it's a

01:49:08.260 wonderful life.

01:49:09.300 Really?

01:49:09.840 Yeah.

01:49:10.080 It's just this normal, really cool family that are, the kids are so nice.

01:49:17.200 I bought a 10 foot blue spruce, $60.

01:49:22.040 Oh my God.

01:49:23.620 $60.

01:49:24.780 That is not the price around the country.

01:49:26.780 Oh my gosh.

01:49:27.320 Yeah, no, it's not.

01:49:28.360 But, uh, anyway, go find a, don't go to the home Depot or whatever.

01:49:32.540 Go find a tree lot, go find a tree farm.

01:49:36.380 Uh, you know, we go out and we cut the tree down.

01:49:39.320 When I say we Rafe cuts the tree, uh, and it's, uh, it's just so much better.

01:49:45.760 Now, warning, the trees look smaller out on a tree farm than they do in your house.

01:49:53.380 Hmm.

01:49:53.940 So you're Clark W.

01:49:54.960 Gorswold basically.

01:49:56.300 Yes.

01:49:56.920 Yes.

01:49:57.280 A little bit, a little bit.

01:49:59.100 Yeah.

01:49:59.500 Yeah.

01:50:00.160 Well, I was trying to help pick out the trees and my wife kept saying, that's a Charlie

01:50:03.620 Brown tree.

01:50:04.080 That's a Charlie Brown tree.

01:50:05.300 Okay.

01:50:05.640 Well, yeah.

01:50:07.240 It's also will fit in the house and we bought, we bought this tree and it was a great tree,

01:50:12.000 but, uh, it's not a Charlie Brown tree and had to cut like a lot of it.

01:50:17.780 Well, if we cut the back part of this off, we can, we can put it up here next to the wall.

01:50:22.360 The last time I had a real tree, which was a few years ago, they, we had it, you know,

01:50:26.000 get over time.

01:50:26.580 It dries out a little bit.

01:50:27.400 It was one of those that no matter how much water you put in, it just kept drying out.

01:50:30.280 And I had to saw all the branches off to get it out of the house.

01:50:33.940 Oh my gosh.

01:50:34.880 I was, it hurts.

01:50:36.260 It was, it sucked.

01:50:37.040 It was embarrassing.

01:50:37.720 And, uh, you know, I just, I'm not a, I'm not a scientist.

01:50:41.240 I could not get it to, I could not get it figured out.

01:50:43.580 I have a friend who put it into a bucket of water and put miracle grow in it, just dumped

01:50:49.400 miracle grow in it.

01:50:50.620 It grew roots.

01:50:52.440 Really?

01:50:53.000 Yeah.

01:50:53.840 Grew roots.

01:50:54.400 They planted it.

01:50:56.420 That's fantastic.

01:50:57.420 We should plant this thing.

01:50:58.740 We're putting miracle grow.

01:50:59.860 I don't, I can't imagine that works, but it did for them.

01:51:02.800 I'm putting a bunch of miracle grow in that thing.

01:51:05.060 We'll plant it.

01:51:05.880 But I, we have to make a, a pact with the family that we don't cut it down again.

01:51:11.400 Can you imagine?

01:51:11.980 It's like the tree would be like, and then every Christmas I just heal.

01:51:15.920 And every Christmas they come and cut me up again.

01:51:18.680 It's like you're fishing.

01:51:19.680 You just keep pulling the same fish out of the water.

01:51:21.380 It's like, okay, okay, come on.

01:51:23.580 It's your fault.

01:51:24.260 Somebody else.

01:51:24.740 It's your fault.

01:51:25.220 It's a little lure.

01:51:26.160 Stop going after it.

01:51:27.280 You moron.

01:51:30.100 It's not a real worm.

01:51:32.060 Stop trying to eat it.

01:51:33.520 It's a long lesson we have to learn as fish.

01:51:36.860 All right.

01:51:38.400 Today on the five o'clock TV show, you don't want to miss it at the blaze.

01:51:42.180 It is the truth about the border.

01:51:45.400 We, we take the truth and expose the media and those who are not telling you the truth.

01:51:53.060 Bit by bit.

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01:51:55.940 Today, five o'clock.

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01:51:59.000 Back, Mercury.

The Glenn Beck Program - November 27, 2018

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