Glenn Beck delivers a message to college students in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, who were offended by the Israeli flag being hoisted on the campus flag pole. Glenn also talks about how college students should be educated on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
00:14:31.420This leftist movement is all about destruction.
00:14:35.640Because I'm torn on your take here on this, because while I agree that it is fun to watch the left eat their own, that is an entertaining prospect.
00:14:47.760No, I'm offering this as a political strategy.
00:14:51.600I do worry about long-term effects here.
00:14:58.580I feel like we are going down a road that might not be easy to reverse.
00:45:02.060I have no room to compromise, we gotta stay together, if we're gonna survive, stay up straight, and hold the line, it's a new day, time to ride.
00:45:32.060Welcome to the Fusion of Entertainment and Enlightenment. This is the Glenn Beck Program.
00:45:45.960Oh, I don't know, I didn't see, I didn't see Episode 1, so am I gonna understand it? Do I have to watch Episode 1 to be able to understand Episode 2? No, you really don't.
00:45:55.780Today is Episode 2 on Alexander Dugan. Alexander Dugan is a, quote, philosopher, and a quite well-known philosopher in Russia.
00:46:07.920And the rest of the world, if people are paying attention, you will see that Alexander Dugan is a very, very dangerous person.
00:46:16.100He believes a few things. Capitalism is evil, in fact, he says it's a virus.
00:46:21.260The power of the individual to choose, which he believes is modern liberalism.
00:46:27.700The opportunity for you to be you and make your own choices, that also has to be destroyed.
00:46:35.540He believes in fascism without any compromise.
00:46:40.180He believes the fascists of the 20th century, like Mussolini, compromise too much.
00:48:54.500So yesterday we talked kind of about the political side of Alexander Dugan and why he is dangerous.
00:49:03.280Today I want to talk about his mixing of religion and what he believes about the Russian Empire and what he believes about the end of the world.
00:49:37.600But to get inside his head, there's always a question, does he think the religion is true, that his particular package of religion accurately is the way the world is?
00:49:48.680There's a certain kind of God or gods and spiritual forces, and they provide moral guidance.
00:49:53.580And we need to take those into account in our personal lives and use them for politics.
00:49:58.160So does he think religion is a matter of truth?
00:50:02.020And the second thing for many philosophers and political strategists is not that they think that religion is true, but they think that it is useful, that it pushes people's psychological buttons, that it's useful as a social pacifying, as a social mobilizing force.
00:50:21.420And that the philosopher does not think that it's true per se, but that it's necessary or that it's pragmatically functional in order to achieve certain social and political ends.
00:50:33.560So there's a long history of philosophers and political strategists who are actually atheist or agnostic, but nonetheless, they are endorsing religion strongly.
00:50:43.800Correct. So I would put Dugan, I'm guessing Dugan is in the second category that he looks at it as useful.
00:50:52.380I just don't get a sense that he actually buys into this stuff, or does he?
00:50:56.740No, I think that's right. Now, he was baptized in the Eastern or the Russian Orthodox Church when he was a child.
00:51:02.800But when I read through Dugan and I listen to him, I don't get the sense that he is personally a true believer.
00:51:11.380So I think that for him, it is a matter of saying for the Russians in particular, with their religious history and the on average low state of, this sounds like an insult,
00:51:25.960but the low state of intellectual accomplishment among the broad Russian masses,
00:51:31.480and also the particular nature of Eastern Orthodox and Russian Orthodox in particular, of taking seriously the submission element and the unthinking obedience to higher authority,
00:51:47.340that that is baked into Russia's historical religious culture.
00:51:52.160And so what one needs as a political strategist, if you're trying to mobilize all of Russia for a certain end, is going to be a certain kind of religion.
00:52:02.740You can't just, for example, say, hey, everybody be rational, be scientific, be technological, think of yourself as a free agent entrepreneur and so forth.
00:52:12.220That kind of ideology is not going to work for Russia.
00:52:15.320So you need to use a certain kind of unifying force, and that's going to be a certain kind of religion.
00:52:22.160So I do think that primarily the religion for Dugan is pragmatic, not a matter of truth.
00:52:29.260Now, when you say that, though, he seems to be a big proponent of the end of days.
00:52:37.040Bring Jesus back. Let's wash the world in blood.
00:52:40.240Let's, you know, let's work with the Muslims and especially the Shiite Twelvers in Iran, because they believe the same thing.
00:52:47.420We can hasten the return of the promised one so we can get to work on a new world order.
00:52:54.080And that also is partly outreach to Western advocates of some Western advocates of religion, right, who find those themes attractive as well.
00:53:04.420Now, at the same time, there are those who advocate religion because it's true, those who advocate it because it's pragmatic.
00:53:10.400I think there's another element that's important for Dugan, and that, I think, is that religion often serves aesthetic functions, that people are not necessarily believing that it's true, but they like the idea of the occult, the mysterious, the slightly strange.
00:53:28.400You know, they like kind of astrological significance and all of the magic symbols and magic numbers.
00:53:37.960And an important part of Dugan's personal history is that when he was in his 20s, he was extraordinarily attracted to and into all kinds of occult, neo-pagan religions.
00:53:57.460And so, in this case, almost always the attraction, again, is not truth or promise, but it's a deeply personal aesthetic.
00:54:05.140They like the feeling of being in a certain kind of drama, a certain kind of conflict and imagining themselves.
00:54:14.660So, if you think about why we play the video games, why we go to the movies and we get swept up in a world that we know is an artificial world, but we get the psychic experience of being in this great drama of good guys versus bad guys.
00:54:33.580The fate of the world is at stake, and literally in video games, you can blow the world up, or in Hollywood movies, the world can be blown up or be on the brink of Armageddon, and it's very, very exciting to you personally.
00:54:49.200So, it is, I think, have you read Hitler's Monsters?
00:54:57.640It's all about, it's deep, deep research.
00:55:00.340It's much more of a scholarly read on all of the elements that led to Hitler and that Hitler then used.
00:55:13.680And it's very reminiscent of what you were just saying about the mysticism and the cult and the darkness of it and the feeling that maybe there's extra magic powers out there.
00:56:27.440For him personally, he does see liberalism, the West, and then if you scale out the entire philosophical tradition that draws upon the Greek and Roman inheritance, he does think of that as false and as immoral.
00:56:44.820But I do think when he uses the Satan language, it's slightly metaphorical for him personally.
00:56:49.500But as a propaganda message, when you are trying to rally the troops, so to speak, to speak to the broad masses of Russians, you are using language that they understand.
00:57:02.540And those people are largely religious in a certain sort, and they understand the world in a great dualistic good versus evil struggle.
00:57:11.180And it's useful for them to get them fired up, to have the enemy be identified, not just in abstract philosophical terms as sinful, as evil, as decadent, and so forth, but in more personalized terms.
00:57:28.080They are the tool of Satan or the embodiment of Satan.
00:57:31.960So let's go to what his work in the Middle East, and in particular, Iran.
00:57:41.020You know, I've watched the 12ers, the people who believe in the 12th, the mom's going to crawl out of a well, and yada, yada.
00:57:48.080And many of the leaders, I know Mahmoud Ahmadinejad started every speech and ended every speech with,
00:57:55.320Oh Allah, give me the courage to hasten the return of the promised one.
00:58:00.700That is exactly the language of Alexander Dugan.
00:58:06.100What's the chicken and what's the egg, and what do they both have in common?
00:58:09.980So you can approach this historically and say that all of the, you know, the three great Western religions have a common source.
00:58:19.320And that historically, this has been a recurring deep theme in all three of them, but it comes out in differentiated forms.
00:58:28.220So, you know, some Western Christians have it, some versions of Judaism have it, many versions of contemporary and historical Islam have it as well.
00:58:38.220So what is, you use the chicken and egg metaphor.
00:58:43.140So what is the, another metaphor is, is this just to say, what is the historical mother load that is redounding down through the ages?
00:58:54.120And Dugan is just currently tapping into it.
00:58:56.860So what do they have in common, Russia and Iran?
00:59:06.220So the, the enemy of your enemy is your friend.
00:59:09.380In this case, the Iranians will also say the West is the great Senate, Satan, it's enemy number one.
00:59:16.200And Dugan and from his Russian perspective wants to say the same thing.
00:59:22.000So then you make a strategic decision right now, ethnically and religiously, Iran and Russia are enemies, but what's the more important enemy?
00:59:35.060And from both of their perspective, the more important enemy is the West, economically, politically, culturally, and so forth.
00:59:42.320So you're willing to overlook important ethnic differences and important religious differences to concentrate on the more pressing battle, which is to defeat the West right now.
00:59:54.340I'm back with more with Stephen Hicks, Rockford University of Philosophy professor.
00:59:59.420He's written a bazillion books explaining postmodernism, Nietzsche and the Nazis, the art of reasoning, liberalism, pro and con, the eight philosophies of education.
01:00:15.700I mean, he's just written a lot and been translated into a billion different languages.
01:00:30.060Most of the time, it is hard to know where to even begin.
01:00:34.040Unless, of course, you have the right real estate agent.
01:00:36.880I'm talking about someone who can navigate the whole process from beginning to end, making sure that you're on track to sell at the highest level that you can.
01:02:12.800Now, here, the important thing, I think, is to see him as a philosopher.
01:02:19.240And so when you are scaling back to language like modernity, you are talking in big picture, centuries-long development.
01:02:27.000So the development of the modern world, basically the last 500 years, and this is kind of just a standard thing.
01:02:34.720Once Columbus crossed the ocean, the generation of Michelangelo and Leonardo and Martin Luther, we started doing religion and art and understanding the world in dramatically different ways.
01:02:47.080And then you tell the story that that flowers in the Enlightenment of the late 1600s, 1700s, and so on, science and technology and industrial revolution and the rights of man and then the rights of women, the abolishing of slavery, ideas of liberty and equality, the birth of the United States, and so forth.
01:03:05.200All of that is modernity, and from a philosophical perspective that Dugan is adopting, that was a giant, giant mistake, fundamentally flawed in its ideology, fundamentally flawed in its practice and its institution.
01:03:20.080So, in that sense, he is a pre-modernist.
01:03:23.480We have to go back and resuscitate the essential worldview that was in place in modernity prior to the Enlightenment.
01:03:40.920Well, he valorizes the medieval era, particularly the medieval era of Russia.
01:03:48.980So people were religious, intensely religious, in a submissive, obedient, hierarchical fashion.
01:03:56.720They had, this is valorization, wise leadership that understood its people, understood what God wanted for its people.
01:04:08.320And in a sometimes brutal world, of course, was willing to fight off the evil enemies in order to protect the people and to advance God's way in the world.
01:04:19.440And broadly speaking, that's the language that Dugan is adopting.
01:04:23.920Now, here he is a disciple, philosophically, of Martin Heidegger.
01:04:28.340So we have to talk at some point about Martin Heidegger, one of the two or three most important philosophers of the 20th century.
01:04:35.760And Dugan wrote a whole book on Heidegger, and I think the disciple language is correct.
01:04:43.000So, in Heidegger, if I'm not mistaken, he was one of the more instrumental philosophers that helped give us Nazi Germany.
01:05:58.820And then he becomes the director, which is basically the head guy at his university, and proceeds to try to turn the university into a vehicle for national socialist ideals in the educational space.
01:06:17.920So what of that philosophy is Dugan pushing?
01:06:22.620You ever come across one of those deals that was just so good, you make the purchase immediately, you kind of back out the door, kind of going like, was this right?
01:07:40.040So Alexander Dugan is a philosopher and a political strategist in Russia.
01:08:01.060Tucker Carlson just did an interview with him.
01:08:03.160It lasted about 20 minutes, and he didn't get to any of the things other than what Dugan is very good at, is recognizing the problems that we are having.
01:08:12.600And so he makes a compelling case of what is wrong with society and the world, and it is his solution that is really, really dangerous.
01:08:23.240His solution is fascism without compromise, but also this religious drumbeat behind him is exactly the kind of things that I've been warning about here in the United States that really fit into Christian nationalism.
01:08:42.280His kind of philosophy, and Stephen, I'd like to know if you believe this too, his philosophy is the dangerous Christian nationalism.
01:08:54.180At a higher level of abstraction, if you get away from the differences between Protestants and Catholics and Eastern Orthodox, then, yes, there's a common theme at work there.
01:09:06.800It's a nationalism, although Dugan does want to broaden that to more of a pan-Eurasianism.
01:09:14.960He's willing to overlook certain ethnic differences in order to create the empire.
01:09:19.440But the same distrust of the individual, of rationality, science, technology, democratic, republican institutions, separation of church and state, they do share that as a common target.
01:09:33.840Professor, I know a lot of people, and I've been hearing Glenn talk about Dugan for years and years and years and years, and endlessly.
01:09:42.960And, you know, if you look past the surface, I think it's pretty clear this guy is not a good guy.
01:09:48.940The question, I guess, a lot of people would have is, why does this matter to us?
01:09:52.920This is a guy who's, you know, maybe advising Vladimir Putin.
01:09:55.780Obviously, we know there are international geopolitical concerns there, but is this a pressing interest for the everyday American?
01:10:06.180Aside from the geopolitical issues, which, of course, are huge, what we find, though, is Dugan's critique of what's going on in the West is picked up by a significant number of people inside the West.
01:10:20.420So they are offering the same kind of Dugan-esque identification of our problems and variations on the same kinds of solutions.
01:10:31.300And so in that sense, Dugan, as a philosopher, is operating at the right level of generality and abstraction for us to see echoes of what kinds of debates and discussions we're having internally.
01:10:42.760So, yes, he matters. He matters in that sense.
01:10:46.220So here, though, I would say that I don't think he gets the diagnosis of what's going on in the West correct.
01:10:52.580Obviously, he's picking up on some of the some of the symptoms.
01:11:32.860It's the egalitarian impulse of saying that everybody's going to have the same equal political rights, perhaps other rights and so forth and so on.
01:11:43.160And I think that is just that's just wrong.
01:11:45.840When we look at the people we are dealing with right now, it's where all of the people wearing kefayas and promoting Hamas and Islamism in various sorts.
01:11:59.960These are old fashioned but modernized religious people.
01:12:05.240So it's a competitor religion that has found a way to strategize itself and become especially important inside the West.
01:12:13.720So the question is not how did liberalism spawn all of these people or create all of these people, but how did this pre-modern competitor religion that is now increasingly violent come to have such a stature inside the United States?
01:12:29.280The other element is if you're not particularly focused on the religious elements, but all of the ethnic hatreds, you know, the people who hate America or who hate the West for religious reasons and that they are pan-Arab or they want to bring back the greatness of Persia or whatever, if it's an ethnic rising up that we are seeing.
01:12:53.640I know there's a significant amount of that, people who are less religious, but they hate people for racial reasons.
01:12:59.700They hate people for inside the West for ethnic reasons.
01:13:03.820But again, that's not a consequence of liberalism.
01:13:06.540That is people who are from the get-go anti-liberalism.
01:13:12.460Some says treat people as individuals, respect their rights, tolerate certain sorts of differences.
01:13:18.260But these are people from the get-go who are intolerant, who think of themselves as members of an ethnic collective, rather, and are just resuscitating old-style ethnic hatreds.
01:13:30.140So what we are facing right now is resurgent religiosity of a certain sort and resurgent intolerant ethnic hatreds and racial hatreds of a certain sort.
01:13:43.040So the proper diagnosis is going to be to say, not how did liberalism create these people, but how did all of these old-style anti-liberalisms, illiberalisms, come back in what we think of as modern Western society?
01:14:00.000So what do people have to be aware of?
01:14:04.760Because we're talking about a philosopher that really nobody, hardly anybody even knows about, but I think his tentacles run very, very deep here.
01:14:14.100The guy who is the head of the Nazi party, I believe his wife is the English translator for Dugan here in the West.
01:14:23.700But what are the things that we should be on the lookout for that is an earmark of trouble?
01:14:37.240Well, partly you'll pick this up just on the rhetorical level.
01:14:43.100If you have people who are not interested in civil debate and discussion, and they use all of the standard tactics to shut discussion down,
01:14:50.400that's always going to be an earmark of something to look for.
01:14:55.040If you're interested more philosophically, then you start looking for the buzzwords about, as we were starting to talk about,
01:15:04.060the enlightenment, modernity, attitudes toward the individual.
01:15:08.720Is the person in favor of separating church and state?
01:15:12.580Does the person believe that slavery is wrong or not?
01:15:18.420Or is he more tolerant of hierarchical and thinking about people in submission form and so forth?
01:15:24.620So all of those are going to be the philosophical markers that we need to be in danger of.
01:15:30.180So what we actually need are two things.
01:15:32.420One is to recognize that we've been lazy in the last generation, since the fall of the Soviet Union,
01:15:39.520in articulating, making attractive, even making sexy, the modern enlightenment project.
01:15:47.220Respect for the individual, universality of rights, respecting rationality, the scientific and technological project, and so forth.
01:15:55.560Seeing ourselves as the force of progress in the future, as the good guys.
01:16:00.480We've been lazy in articulating that positively, and that has set us up for not being articulate in responding to Dugan-type critiques
01:16:10.740and other variations that are coming from the woke left, the postmoderns, the critical theorists, and so forth.
01:23:51.740Now, people say this is going to make Hakeem Jeffries and those on the left, this will be the most powerful Democratic Congress or the most powerful minority that Congress has ever seen.
01:24:09.160I mean, I think it was a mistake to go down the Johnson Road now in retrospect.
01:30:43.720I don't know if your listeners know this.
01:30:45.260I spent three and a half hours in the same skiff with him, getting briefed by CIA, NSA, DOD, FBI, and DNI, and a FISA judge.
01:30:54.620And in three and a half hours, they didn't give us a specific example, not one, of how spying on Americans without a warrant has helped them stop terrorism.
01:31:05.280They gave hypotheticals, but no example.
01:31:45.740Because, look, you're not supposed to put video of what's happening on the floor, but that was video of things that were breaking decorum, right?
01:31:57.720I was trying to provide evidence that they were in the wrong, and instead of prosecuting them, they came after me.
01:32:03.980Now, we got 8 million views on the video after I reposted it, and Speaker Johnson backed down on that fine because he knew how bad it looked.
01:32:11.320So third betrayal was that Ukrainian vote where we send the money overseas.
01:32:17.060We gave up all leverage on any border security.
01:32:20.380It included some other bad stuff in it.
01:32:36.400Yeah, and see, Mike Johnson's not going to stand up against that.
01:32:39.940By the way, those three bills that I just mentioned to you, you know what happened when they went to the Senate after they passed the House?
01:32:46.600Chuck Schumer didn't even change the punctuation of any of those bills.
01:32:51.160He didn't want any amendments to them.
01:32:54.040He wanted them exactly as Mike Johnson had delivered from the House because those were Chuck Schumer's bills that Mike Johnson put on the floor.
01:33:02.360So he is already in the arms of the Uniparty.
01:33:05.760The question that you rightfully ask is, why do this?
01:33:09.580Well, people are always asking me, Thomas, can you show us, can you give us a list of the good guys and the bad guys?
01:33:17.320Can you tell me who the good guys are because I've got a primary, I've got a vote in, I've got a general election.
01:33:23.440This list, you will have another list.
01:33:26.940We keep doing this at great peril to ourselves.
01:33:29.720The reason there's only a few of us who are willing to stand up and call this is because you put your reputation on the line,
01:33:37.880and people here hate transparency and they hate us for doing it, but you'll have a list next week when the motion to vacate is called of who went with Hakeem Jeffries and the Uniparty to keep Mike Johnson in power.
01:33:52.300Hakeem Jeffries, the reason he's supporting Mike Johnson, he got everything the Democrats want without any of the blowback by having Mike Johnson as speaker.
01:34:01.600And they also, they have some plans for other things, like they may resettle Palestinian refugees in the United States and pay for it.
01:34:10.780They may want to make the funding for Ukraine permanent.
01:34:14.960And before our next election, there's going to be another CR or omnibus or something.
01:34:21.900So there's some people are like, well, why would you do this now, Congressman Massey?
01:34:26.120Hasn't all the bad stuff, hasn't Mike already done all the bad stuff to us?
01:34:29.760Can't we just sit it out through the next election?
01:34:32.760No, because what Hakeem Jeffries wants more than anything is to be the speaker.
01:34:38.060And the only way he becomes the speaker is by getting the majority of the House in November.
01:34:43.140And he knows Mike Johnson is the most uninspiring speaker we've ever had who will not do anything to inspire a base.
01:34:49.160We're likely to lose, most likely to lose the majority under Speaker Johnson.
01:34:53.340So what would the plan be if you could get this to pass?
01:35:01.720I mean, well, first of all, let me ask you, how many other Freedom Caucus members are standing with you?
01:35:09.700Well, I think before Hakeem Jeffries came out for Speaker Johnson, there were probably somewhere between 12 and 20 who didn't want to speak up, but would have voted with us.
01:35:20.180Now, I think you may have maybe the entire Freedom Caucus.
01:35:26.040I know people outside of the Freedom Caucus who said, if one Democrat votes to keep Mike Johnson, I ain't voting to keep him because they know what that means.
01:35:36.740That means it's the uniparty. Now, the first vote will be on a motion to table to try and prevent this from even coming up for an actual vote.
01:35:47.380But people should understand that that motion to table, if they succeed, that is the only vote that will happen.
01:35:54.660And then that is your list there. Those are the people who saved Mike Johnson, which Hakeem Jeffries and all the Democratic leadership say they'll do it.
01:36:02.500And some of the Democrat rank and file. And there are some Republicans who said they'll vote to table.
01:36:08.460But that will be the vote. Now, if we could succeed, OK, if we can get past that motion to table and maybe Hakeem Jeffries has only 40 Democrats who are willing to walk the plank,
01:36:20.500because I can imagine that's going to be tough for them in their primaries unless they're planning on retiring.
01:36:25.020Could you imagine you saved the Christian speaker who is against abortion and all this other stuff?
01:36:32.800And what's this? Anyways, so I don't I'm not sure how many votes Hakeem has, but I think he helped us grow our numbers.
01:36:40.020Let's say we make it past that first vote and there is a motion to vacate and Mike Johnson is vacated at that point.
01:36:47.580Who would we elect? Well, we would like for Mike Johnson to avoid the scenario I just described.
01:36:54.720We're giving him a weekend to resign. If he would announce that he's leaving like John Boehner did in 10 weeks and he won't be offended as we have votes to replace him while he's still the speaker.
01:37:06.040We could go without ever not having a speaker. We could keep doing subpoenas in the Judiciary Committee.
01:37:12.020We can hold hearings and we can pass all these wonderful messaging bills that they love to pass.
01:37:16.520But if that doesn't happen, we have to elect a speaker. We'll be on the spot.
01:37:21.120I think there are a dozen people in the GOP conference who have something in their prior life, whether it was political experience or private experience, that qualifies them for the job.
01:37:30.820Mike Johnson is a lost ball in tall weeds.
01:37:33.400I don't I don't think there's some conspiracy where they got kids locked up in the basement or something like that.
01:37:38.920Or I don't think they've got info on him or blackmail material.
01:37:42.640I just don't think he can do the job and there's nothing in his life prepared him for it.
01:37:48.500And hopefully I'll inspire people to keep us in the majority, because even if Hakeem Jeffries bails Mike Johnson out next week, they're not going to bail him out in January.
01:39:40.500He actually should have done the 1% cut option that Kevin had secured at great, you know, and spent a lot of political capital on getting that provision in law.
01:39:50.340So those are three things that Kevin did that Mike didn't.
01:39:53.980And Kevin, you know, he put three of us on the rules committee that gave us a blocking position, Chip Roy, Ralph Norman, and myself.
01:40:32.520You know what really confused me is the readiness with which sort of the big spenders in Washington, D.C.
01:40:41.740were – accepted Mike Johnson as a valid speaker candidate after defeating Jim Jordan multiple times.
01:40:49.560They found Jim Jordan unsuitable, but they found this junior member very suitable to the job who had no experience, you know,
01:40:57.380had never been a chairman, didn't have much staff.
01:40:59.680And I think at that point they got some assurance from Mike Johnson that he – or some feeling that Mike Johnson would be a good guy to carry the water for the establishment here in D.C.
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01:49:25.360Keith Davidson is testifying about the hush money payments on the Stormy Daniels case, and the question, and the very important legal question is, did Donald Trump cheat on Melania?
01:50:44.680Well, in terms of the hate speech legislation that has gone through, been enacted, become law in Scotland, which was fascinating to watch.
01:50:55.960As soon as the law went live, so to speak, on April Fool's Day of all days, but it was no joke, the complaints, so to speak, started flooding into the police, as everyone had predicted, because it was such a vague and, you know, in the eye of the beholder type of legislation that it was predicted that anyone and everyone would find someone to make a complaint about.
01:51:21.820I haven't kept track since the end of the first week, but they were running at something like 8,000 or 10,000 complaints, people alleging hate crimes had been committed somewhere by someone about something.
01:51:37.980So, the wheels of the police were gummed up, as a person might expect, and if it goes at that rate, if that was to be a consistent flow, then by the end of a year, the police would be dealing with processing as many hate crime bills as all other crimes likely to be reported to them of every other sort.
01:52:03.060I mean, did he put this through himself, or were there other brainiacs that were involved in this?
01:52:09.200Well, it went through a lengthy consultation, as they say about these things, during which time many voices, many sage advisers in the police, in the judiciary, all sorts of institutions, organisations, made representations saying this will be, this is a recipe for disaster,
01:52:33.520this will be manipulated and misused by bad actors, by people who want to make mischievous allegations about their next-door neighbours, or people that they're aware of, whose opinions they disagree with.
01:52:47.940All of those protests were made by all sorts of legal minds, senior legal figures, senior establishment figures.
01:52:56.380It was well predicted that there would be trouble, but nonetheless, as with many other matters, the Scottish National Party, leading the administration in Scotland, led by Hamza Yusuf, persevered and got the bill enacted.
01:53:14.600So it wasn't as though it came as a surprise. Everyone predicted a dystopian disaster, and that's what happened. But there we are. This is not unusual. Not so very long ago, the SNP, under Nicola Sturgeon at the time, the previous First Minister, attempted to install a named person.
01:53:36.520In their wisdom, it was suggested that a named person, it could be anyone, it could be a teacher, it could be various categories of people, would establish a relationship with every child in Scotland, from primary school age up.
01:53:53.960That child would be encouraged to confide in that person. There would be no need to keep mum and dad informed that the conversations were taking place at all.
01:54:04.740It was called the named person's bill. The SNP attempted to foist that interloper, that slippery insinuation into every family in Scotland, but it was eventually overturned by the highest court in the land. It went all the way to the Supreme Court.
01:54:21.920Unbelievable. I mean, have you read, have you read 1984 recently?
01:54:26.740Do you know, Glenn, I think as many people have, I have read it again, you know, only to, you know, to remind myself, I read it, I think, for the first time when I was at school.
01:54:39.120I've read it a couple of times since school because I do enjoy it. But, you know, as other people have said, it would appear it's good to be up to date with 1984 because a lot of the leaders of the West are treating it as an instruction manual.
01:54:53.260Rather than the dire warning it was supposed to be.
01:54:55.440Yeah, it used to be something that we read in school and you were, you know, when you were a teenager, you were like, okay, I get it, you know, good story, but that's never going to happen.
01:55:04.000Now it reads like the newspaper. It's crazy.
01:55:07.320Absolutely. Apart from anything else, it's the idea that permeates throughout 1984, that forever war.
01:55:16.980The inhabitants of the world of 1984 exist where there's always war between East Asia, Eurasia and Oceania.
01:55:25.440And at any given moment, your home country, your home state is at war with one of the other two.
01:55:30.960And that facilitates the endless production of bullets and bombs and the rest of the paraphernalia of war.
01:55:39.860It's crazy that it's Ocean Asia, which is NATO, you know, the Atlantic, and Eurasia, which is, you know, the Middle East, Russia and China.
01:55:52.320I mean, it's exactly the pre the prescience of 1984.
01:55:57.420And also what also is throughout the novel is the gray, hopeless, meaningless, oppressed life of the general population who have who live in a world of constant surveillance, never knowing if Big Brother is watching them or not.
01:56:15.840And fear and fear of their own children, fear of their own children.
01:56:20.020Everything, everything, everything about it, as I say, as others have commented, it would appear to be being used as the instruction manual for for world leaders at the moment.
01:56:31.400So in London, and I think maybe in Ireland, I've heard calls for a caliphate.
01:56:37.700But things are really crazy over here.
01:56:42.240And in London, I mean, the the naturally born Englishman is in the minority now, I believe, in in London.
01:56:54.560And we're seeing some serious problems over here with the Palestinian, you know, uprisings.
01:57:03.380What is it like in in England, Scotland and Ireland?
01:57:08.980Well, it's it's it's absolutely I think I think I think when last I looked or when last I had figures, I think London was 54 percent.
01:57:20.800You know, you're not saying indigenous, you know, white English population, immigrant migrant, whatever, new, new to the new to the territory.
01:57:33.240And throughout Europe, similar, the low countries, you know, Amsterdam, in Holland, I think I think I think I'm right in saying that Brussels in Belgium is running.
01:57:48.140I think 70 percent income or population, income or population, I think it stands a little bit ahead and shoulders above anybody else in that respect.
01:57:57.720But, you know, when I when I look on at that, my my my my my my big picture view of all of it is that the the populations of the world have been stirred up like a wasp's nest, you know, like like like a jam jar full of red ants that were that were just going about the red ant business.
01:58:16.880But somebody picks up the jar and shakes it and then all hell breaks loose and all the ants start fighting and eating one another and all of the rest of it.
01:58:23.220And clearly, the people, the peoples of the world are being treated like pawns on a board at the moment.
01:58:32.120And, you know, people have been have been uprooted, deracinated, cut away from the roots all over the world, all over the east, all over the south, all over the west.
01:59:05.440The Christian against Muslim against you.
01:59:07.740And I mean, I, for one, uphold the feeling that in large part, most people, most people of whatever color and creed and whatever just want just want lives, just want lives somewhere safe that they can raise their children, maybe improve their circumstances, maybe hand off to the next generation something better.
01:59:30.260But that natural human need, that natural human urge, you know, has been subverted and the jam jar has been shaken.
01:59:42.860And as I say, one group after another has been set at every other group's throat.
01:59:49.340And, you know, we're being manipulated and we're being played like Stradivarius violins at the moment.
01:59:55.040I will tell you that, you know, there's this replacement theory that they talk about here, that white people are just afraid of being replaced by brown people and blah, blah, blah.
02:00:26.080There's a great threat because I think it happens cyclically that enough generations exist in a time of peace and plenty and convenience.
02:00:37.580That eventually a generation is born and rises in those circumstances that believes that the ways of life that have been possible in the West are in the natural order of things.
02:00:49.420When, in fact, the civilization that has been known by a few generations of the peoples of the West is vanishingly rare.
02:01:01.980But a world in which supermarkets are full of food, the buses turn up at the appointed time, the streets are safe, the lights come on, the bins and the refuse are collected on a regular basis.
02:01:15.020You know, you've only a person has only to look at the almost the totality of human history and to look around at the wider world in which we live now to be bluntly reminded that what we have had in the West is unbelievably unlikely.
02:01:30.840And that we were blessed with that civilization by our ancestors after all sorts of bloody strife is nothing less than miraculous.
02:01:41.020But because the generation comes that thinks, oh, well, you can take your hands off the wheel.
02:01:45.140You can read a book instead of looking out the windshield while you drive, that the car will stay on the road.
02:01:52.760And I'm not even sure entirely that it's just down to people being ignorant of the reality of what makes a civilization.
02:02:01.120You know, there's a wonderful poem by the contemporary Greek poet C.P.
02:02:04.540Cavafy about the barbarians, a city that becomes aware that barbarians are close by and may invade the city.
02:02:11.520And the citizens of the safe city have actually become so bored, so jaded with their civilized status quo that when news reaches them that the barbarians have just moved away and gone somewhere else, the citizens of the city are disappointed because the thought of the upheaval was something to be briefly excited about.
02:02:32.980You know, so I don't know which combination of realities we're actually living in, but there's no doubt that the civilization that has briefly flourished like a blossom on a cherry tree in the West is deeply imperiled by, I don't know, by sloth, by people not paying attention.
02:02:54.140Neil, can you hang on for just about a minute or two?
02:02:58.080Neil Oliver, archaeologist, documentary filmmaker, historian, writer, and really, really came under attack because of COVID, but now he has the Neil Oliver podcast, well worth your time to listen to.
02:03:13.740Neil Oliver joins us in just a second.
02:03:15.440Again, I have a question just about Russell Brand and see how that's being taken overseas.
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