The Glenn Beck Program - 'Question With Boldness and Honesty' (Mark Weinberg & Ari Schulman join Glenn)

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00:00:16.580 Dave was watching from his window as his neighbors argued.

00:00:20.980 Expletives ripped through the thin apartment walls.

00:00:25.140 The fight was escalating quickly.

00:00:27.520 Punches were thrown, fists were flying, and then Dave caught a glimmer of silver out of the corner of his eye.

00:00:34.260 One of the men had a knife and was about to use it.

00:00:39.420 Dave, watching from the window, rushed to his bedroom, opened the bottom drawer, made his choice, and calmly walked outside.

00:00:46.980 He approached the men and just stood there.

00:00:49.660 His presence immediately caused the two men to forget all about their fight.

00:00:54.060 The knife-wielding man attempted to flee the scene, but was caught by police moments later.

00:01:00.540 The neighbor was rushed to the hospital for stab wounds.

00:01:04.300 He's expected to make a full recovery.

00:01:07.380 All because Dave brought a gun to a knife fight.

00:01:13.280 Dave is a certified firearms instructor.

00:01:18.240 Oh, then that's okay.

00:01:20.880 Dave has a collection of guns.

00:01:23.100 Oh, wait a minute.

00:01:23.860 He's a, oh, he's a hoarder.

00:01:28.020 He grabbed his AR-15.

00:01:31.560 Oh, my.

00:01:34.100 The AR-15, because it was a bigger gun.

00:01:37.160 He believes that the intimidation factor definitely played a part in stopping the fight.

00:01:43.160 No shots were fired.

00:01:45.080 That was never Dave's intention.

00:01:47.160 He said the AR-15 is my weapon of choice for home protection.

00:01:50.560 It's light.

00:01:51.200 It's maneuverable.

00:01:52.120 And if you train and know how to use it properly, it's not dangerous at all.

00:01:56.500 This is just an example of a good guy with an AR-15 stopping a bad guy with a knife.

00:02:03.260 There were no lives taken.

00:02:05.140 So, all in all, it was a pretty good day.

00:02:10.480 Bad guy in jail.

00:02:13.140 Other guy who had been stabbed in the hospital but going to make a full recovery.

00:02:18.680 And the AR-15 back where it belongs.

00:02:23.300 People like Dave are all over the country.

00:02:28.160 Let's take a moment and just remember that there's a lot of good guys.

00:02:33.620 In fact, the good guys with guns are in the vast majority.

00:02:48.460 It's Wednesday, February 28th.

00:02:51.500 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:02:53.460 Oh my, there's a couple of things that we have to get into today.

00:02:59.820 One is Dick's, a major gun retailer, is going to stop selling assault rifles.

00:03:07.620 I would like to know, officially from Dick's, what an assault rifle is.

00:03:13.440 Can anyone define an assault rifle?

00:03:18.360 It's easy.

00:03:18.760 It's a gun that could potentially hurt someone else.

00:03:21.400 That's an assault weapon.

00:03:23.360 No.

00:03:24.100 We all know that certain guns can actually do damage to other people if fired upon them.

00:03:30.080 And those guns should not be in the hands of people.

00:03:32.400 So, I'm going to bring in two rifles tomorrow.

00:03:35.840 And one is an assault rifle.

00:03:38.440 And the other one is not.

00:03:42.140 It's a Lapua.

00:03:44.480 One of those will tear you apart.

00:03:48.280 The assault rifle.

00:03:49.680 No, it would be the Lapua.

00:03:53.440 And the Lapua will shoot through walls.

00:03:55.640 I think it will actually stop a car.

00:03:57.260 I think it will shoot into an engine block.

00:03:59.820 It's a pretty powerful rifle.

00:04:02.360 And people have used it to kill people in war a mile away.

00:04:11.920 That's not going to be an assault rifle.

00:04:13.720 That's not an assault rifle.

00:04:15.020 Well, as we all know, Glennon, we've seen this many times over the past couple of weeks.

00:04:17.760 When you push people who are looking for gun control on these sorts of questions.

00:04:22.600 Hey, wait a minute.

00:04:23.220 How can you ban this weapon and not this weapon?

00:04:25.080 What they always say is, well, it's a good first step and you've got to start somewhere.

00:04:28.780 And then they follow it with, we're not coming for all of your guns.

00:04:32.600 Well, wait a minute.

00:04:33.640 Which one is it?

00:04:35.080 Which one is it?

00:04:36.700 Also, Brian Mast, who is a congressman in Florida and a guy who has been on this program several times, he's a war hero.

00:04:46.200 And he has suddenly had a change of heart and believes that we should take all ARs off the market.

00:04:56.100 Well, okay, Brian.

00:04:58.440 We've invited him to be on this program today.

00:05:00.820 I hope that he takes us up because I have just a few questions and I'm sure he's smart enough to answer them.

00:05:08.220 And he's well thought out enough.

00:05:10.300 Now, I know he's busy with CNN today.

00:05:12.120 But it would be nice to see if he would spend some time here answering just a few questions on his new stance with ARs.

00:05:21.820 I do think, though, to be fair, an AR-15 is a weapon that can kill you from 15 miles away.

00:05:27.260 And that should not be available.

00:05:28.240 No, it's really not.

00:05:29.580 No.

00:05:29.940 No, it can.

00:05:30.700 No.

00:05:31.040 No, you're wrong.

00:05:32.080 An elementary school in Pennsylvania will close today for classes this week when a nearby church holds a blessing ceremony involving AR-15 rifles.

00:05:44.180 The superintendent of the school district wrote in a letter to parents that students will instead be taking to schools about 15 miles away.

00:05:50.220 The superintendent said in a letter, there's no direct threat, but said that there are worries about parking traffic and the, quote, nature of the event, end quote.

00:06:02.140 See, the nature of the event, Glenn, because they have a gun.

00:06:05.440 Now, people don't realize that they walk by people all the time with guns because they're concealed carry holders or people have guns in their cars.

00:06:12.860 About 10%.

00:06:13.500 Yeah.

00:06:13.920 About 10% of Americans have a concealed carry permit.

00:06:16.180 But did you know that about one out of every 10 people, depending on where you are, is carrying a gun?

00:06:21.800 If you're in Texas, it's probably 10 out of 10 people.

00:06:26.480 I mean, and so you're going to move the kids 15 miles away so they don't get shot by the AR-15?

00:06:31.880 Absolutely unbelievable.

00:06:33.360 Okay.

00:06:33.640 We wanted to bring on Chad Robichaux because he is a good friend and he is the president of the Mighty Oaks Foundation.

00:06:42.140 The Mighty Oaks Foundation is truly a miracle organization.

00:06:48.300 This is an organization that takes guys who have PTSD and really have no place to go and they're changing lives.

00:06:58.380 They are turning people away from suicide and turning their lives back into real productive lives.

00:07:06.300 And I've met a lot of the people that have gone through this program one after another after another and they're healed.

00:07:14.880 And it's remarkable and a little unconventional because Jesus is involved.

00:07:22.700 Or at least you're allowed to say the word Jesus.

00:07:25.860 We have Chad on the phone now.

00:07:27.940 Hi, Chad.

00:07:28.400 How are you?

00:07:29.720 Hey, Glenn.

00:07:30.240 Great to be back on.

00:07:30.940 So you were United States Marine Corps decorated.

00:07:37.440 You were on reconnaissance.

00:07:40.800 I mean, you've been through it all.

00:07:42.360 You know weapons.

00:07:43.660 And you wrote a piece that I thought was really, really good about arming teachers and also how we just, I mean, Chad, we don't want to make our schools into a prison.

00:07:57.960 No, no, we don't.

00:08:01.780 But, you know, I think a lot of people forget what we did after 9-11.

00:08:06.000 You know, immediately after 9-11, there was 40 air marshals.

00:08:09.340 The government went to, in this effort to have to recruit and build up the air marshal program to help harden our planes.

00:08:16.620 And one of the efforts behind that was, hey, we can't get enough air marshals.

00:08:20.480 So let's look at the last line of defense, the cockpit, and let's arm the pilots.

00:08:24.660 And so they started a program called the FFDO program.

00:08:27.040 We took normal vocational pilots who volunteered to be extra screened and extra trained and vetted and armed our pilots and took those soft targets of those airplanes and made them hard targets and a real deterrent.

00:08:39.920 And this thing cost a lot of money, and it's been an extremely successful program still to this day.

00:08:44.880 And so when people say that the president's comments on arming teachers is ridiculous, it's not ridiculous.

00:08:49.840 And, you know, we're not talking about arming every single teacher.

00:08:54.620 They go to work and they stop at the armory.

00:08:58.060 We're talking, you know, a small percentage, a small percentage of the right ones who want to volunteer, who want to be vetted, a volunteer to be vetted and trained.

00:09:06.220 And not run around the classroom or the halls like a SWAT team member, but be the last line of defense, just like a cockpit.

00:09:12.800 When they're in that classroom, locked down with their students, instead of the last thing they have to do is throw the body between, you know, the gunman and their students, because that seems to be okay.

00:09:21.300 They could actually defend themselves.

00:09:23.360 And this isn't a crazy concept.

00:09:24.840 This is actually being done in 18 states right now.

00:09:26.980 And we don't hear incidents as things going sideways in these states that are doing it.

00:09:30.400 So, wait, 18 states are already training like we trained the pilots?

00:09:35.640 No, no, 18 states are allowing teachers to have concealed carry on their campuses.

00:09:42.420 And now I believe it should be more than that.

00:09:45.860 I don't think that's enough.

00:09:46.780 I believe that they should be vetted.

00:09:48.420 I believe they should be trained and we should provide training.

00:09:52.400 The FFDO program costs the government about $20 million a year to run.

00:09:55.740 And I can't say the numbers of how many pilots that covers because we want to keep the bad guys guessing, but it's a lot.

00:10:02.720 It's a lot of pilots that are covered.

00:10:04.620 And, you know, when people assess if I'm going to go attack an airplane, they have to ask themselves, is there an air marshal on the plane?

00:10:10.120 Is that pilot, if I make it to the cockpit, am I going to get shot?

00:10:13.420 And the argument is, you know, well, someone's willing to die.

00:10:16.800 Glenn, you know me, and you know I've been in gunfights.

00:10:19.920 And one thing I know about being in a gunfight is that even a bad guy willing to die doesn't want to get shot back at.

00:10:26.820 And just the idea that that's a hard target, that a plane's a hard target, that a school could be a hard target, it'll make them think twice.

00:10:35.760 And they may not do it or they may go to a different target.

00:10:38.240 And, you know, our soft targets right now in our country are our gun-free school zones.

00:10:41.780 And that's not okay.

00:10:42.960 So, Chad, a couple of things.

00:10:44.720 First of all, you were one of the guys who trained people on planes, were you not?

00:10:49.920 That's right.

00:10:50.720 Right after 9-11, I came on as one of the very first air marshals for a short period of time.

00:10:56.100 And in helping get the FFDO program ramped up, I was one of the training officers that helped the first wave of a federal flight deck officer.

00:11:03.540 So you were an air marshal as well.

00:11:07.540 We were talking about this yesterday.

00:11:09.460 Just saying, even if you as a school decide amongst yourselves,

00:11:15.280 Shh, we're actually going to be a gun-free zone.

00:11:18.360 We're not going to let anybody carry guns.

00:11:20.100 But just putting a sign outside saying security and some teachers are armed would be a deterrent.

00:11:31.720 By telling, we don't ever tell, when you're on an airplane, you don't know who the air marshal is.

00:11:38.300 We don't want teachers to be brandishing firearms or even to be known who has them because it makes them less effective.

00:11:46.320 You want everybody guessing.

00:11:49.040 That's right.

00:11:49.760 I mean, you want to create that unknown deterrent.

00:11:53.100 And we do this around the world for our embassies and our consulates.

00:11:57.960 Just last week, we had a CNN town hall meeting.

00:12:00.460 That was a hard target.

00:12:01.820 Armed security.

00:12:03.200 I mean, no one's going to go attack a place like that because they know that there's security there.

00:12:07.960 You know, but yet our schools, people are fighting to defend our schools to continue to be soft targets.

00:12:13.220 And I just don't understand it.

00:12:14.740 This isn't a crazy solution.

00:12:16.780 And, you know, we have the capacity to do that.

00:12:19.280 There's lots of other things that can be done.

00:12:21.700 And you can talk about legislation and stuff like that.

00:12:23.740 But this is something that could be done and done right away.

00:12:26.480 So can you can you help me out on let me switch subjects just a bit.

00:12:31.640 How do we people right now are saying we need to get rid of AR-15s and all assault rifles need to be banned?

00:12:40.040 First of all, no.

00:12:42.400 But second of all, let's just can you define, Chad, what an AR is?

00:12:48.760 Well, that's the question.

00:12:50.120 And I was listening to you guys earlier when people talk about, you know, banning ARs.

00:12:53.960 The people that are having these conversations can't even define what the AR is, assault rifle is.

00:12:59.940 And so where do you draw the line of what, you know, in that line is going to, you know, as well as I do, Glenn,

00:13:04.820 that line is going to continue to shift as people kind of get their way in pushing this and impeaching on our Second Amendment rights.

00:13:13.240 And, you know, it's it's it goes back to me.

00:13:17.240 And I think I think you and I are right on the same page as this.

00:13:20.160 This isn't a gun issue.

00:13:22.560 Everyone thinks this is a gun issue.

00:13:24.020 This is this is a it's a cultural issue.

00:13:26.860 When you take, you know, God out of schools, you take fathers out of homes, you take moral absolutes out of society.

00:13:31.720 This is where we are.

00:13:32.980 And culture is a problem.

00:13:34.400 I used when I went to high school in Louisiana, our parking lot was full of pickup trucks with gun racks on the back.

00:13:39.300 Yeah.

00:13:39.580 Loaded rifles.

00:13:40.580 Me too.

00:13:41.040 People would probably call assault rifles and no one shot it.

00:13:43.540 No one shot anyone.

00:13:44.780 Right.

00:13:45.020 You know, but if we're going to accept this is our culture and not change that, then we have to have real solutions and and identifying certain guns and say, OK, that gun is not OK.

00:13:54.900 That's not going to change anything.

00:13:56.020 And it just takes our eyes off to what the real problem is.

00:13:59.360 You know, these these these arguments and and we're not going to end up with any real solutions.

00:14:04.620 Do you find any any validity in the argument that we just have to do something?

00:14:09.900 I mean, this is the thing that they keep saying over and over again.

00:14:12.760 We have to take some step.

00:14:14.000 We know if we do nothing, these things will continue.

00:14:17.080 Why don't we do something?

00:14:19.460 Well, you know, and I think we do do something.

00:14:22.880 But I think that the people that are making an argument aren't really presenting anything.

00:14:28.340 I mean, whatever.

00:14:29.620 I mean, you get people marching around the country saying no guns at all.

00:14:33.080 That's unrealistic.

00:14:33.880 There's a half a billion guns in America.

00:14:35.500 And who's going to go take them?

00:14:36.880 Where do they start?

00:14:37.460 They're going to go into 6th District of New Orleans or the South Chicago or small town Texas and start taking people's guns.

00:14:44.640 I mean, that's that's realistic.

00:14:47.000 Yeah, it's it's just it's not going to happen.

00:14:49.620 If if somebody wanted to start if a state or a school wanted to start a program like like you're talking about, Chad, how do they do it?

00:14:58.280 Well, I think I think we have a president right now who's willing to step up and do this and fund it.

00:15:06.020 And so I believe just like the just like the air marshals, the pilots and the airlines or private corporations, just like they're not training the guys.

00:15:17.680 The federal government utilized the federal air marshal service and they put a 20 million dollar approximately budget together per year to fund this training.

00:15:24.780 And so I think, you know, the federal government seems to me as they're willing to step up a training program.

00:15:31.020 And, you know, one thing teachers have these volunteer teachers, they have three months off in the summer and they have the time.

00:15:37.560 I'm sure the president said 20 percent is what he would he would suggest.

00:15:41.380 I'm sure 20 percent of the teachers are volunteer to step up and do this.

00:15:44.660 And and and if there isn't federal monies, I know there's there's police organizations, there's private organizations.

00:15:51.120 A friend of mine, Tim Kennedy, has an organization that goes around and provides free training, this type of stuff.

00:15:56.540 I mean, there's plenty of private organizations that's that's willing to step up and provide the solution.

00:16:02.040 Chad, I'm sure, you know, I just got to run.

00:16:04.860 But I want to thank you so much for everything that you do and thank you for what you do for the Mighty Mighty Oaks Foundation.

00:16:12.140 Thank you for on behalf of the vets.

00:16:15.600 Thank you.

00:16:17.560 Thank you.

00:16:19.980 Go to the website at Mighty Oaks programs dot org and you can get Chad on Twitter at Chad Robo.

00:16:25.860 A former recon marine, federal air marshal and the guy who helped was one of the first to step in after 9-11 and teach our pilots how to protect the planes.

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00:17:57.520 Another school shooting.

00:17:59.240 The gunfire lasted less than 10 minutes.

00:18:01.780 But this morning...

00:18:02.000 Heavily armed with a bulletproof vest, loads of ammunition, and a powerful AR-15.

00:18:07.100 Another debate about banning guns.

00:18:09.240 Keep assault rifles out of the hands of people who are going to shoot our kids.

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00:18:28.300 Dick's Sporting Goods has just made the decision that they are going to ban all assault rifles.

00:18:34.280 We'll give you all the details on this coming up in just a second.

00:18:36.760 One of the strangest things about the movement in the gun debate on this particular shooting is that it is, I think, maybe without a doubt, the most preventable shooting we've ever seen.

00:18:45.560 We've ever seen.

00:18:46.180 I've never seen anything like this.

00:18:47.520 No.

00:18:47.680 The amount of information that keeps pouring out.

00:18:49.320 Let's listen to the gunman's neighbor.

00:18:51.460 I mean, listen to the people talking about this guy.

00:18:53.820 You know that people knew this was going to occur.

00:18:55.820 My husband and I both knew that it was not over, that we would eventually see him one day on the news, wearing an orange jumpsuit, being charged with murder.

00:19:09.840 We both knew it.

00:19:11.720 I didn't know exactly how it would happen or how soon it would happen, but I had no doubt in my mind that it would happen.

00:19:18.440 You begged this officer to please do something.

00:19:22.160 I did.

00:19:22.620 I begged him, and he basically told me that it was not an immediate threat.

00:19:29.740 He couldn't do anything, is what he told me.

00:19:32.860 See, this is a problem.

00:19:33.620 I remember him leaving and just thinking, my God, he's going to kill someone, and I can do nothing about it.

00:19:43.780 So here's the problem with this.

00:19:46.060 This, I believe, is where the average American is that's not engaged in the rhetoric of the left or the right right now.

00:19:54.760 They are saying, my kids are in danger.

00:19:59.020 There are things we can do.

00:20:01.260 And this one was so preventable.

00:20:05.560 What are you guys talking about?

00:20:09.520 Is this happening in my town?

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00:21:30.640 Well, Dick's Sporting Goods has made a choice, and I think a brave choice, one that I don't agree with, but they said they are going to take a stand and they're going to stop selling assault rifles permanently.

00:21:49.680 Now, I don't know exactly what an assault rifle is defined as.

00:21:55.680 We haven't had anyone actually define what an assault rifle is.

00:22:00.640 Besides a scary looking black one, but you can change the handles on an assault rifle and it's no longer an assault rifle.

00:22:11.740 So what do you, what is an assault rifle?

00:22:15.760 Here is Dick, right?

00:22:19.460 No, his name is Ed, actually.

00:22:21.540 Oh, really?

00:22:22.420 Ed.

00:22:23.920 Well, he'll always be Dick to a lot of people.

00:22:26.620 So what is his name, Ed?

00:22:28.420 Ed, because he's the CEO of Dick's, he would always be Dick to a lot of people?

00:22:34.040 I'm just saying.

00:22:34.660 Okay, his name is Ed Stack.

00:22:36.020 Yes, so here, that's so wrong.

00:22:38.020 Here's, here is Ed, and he's making the announcement on CNN.

00:22:43.180 Here it is.

00:22:43.300 We think it's the right thing to do.

00:22:44.640 We, you know, after, after Parkland, we were so disturbed and saddened by what happened in Parkland that we said, we need to do something.

00:22:52.200 And we talked about what we needed to do, and we felt that we needed to make a statement that we will no longer sell assault-type rifles, high-capacity magazines, and a few other things.

00:23:03.480 And what the, our hearts went out to those kids and to their parents.

00:23:08.660 And, you know, everybody talks about thoughts and prayers going out to them, and that's great.

00:23:13.280 But that doesn't really do anything, and we felt that we needed to take a stand in it.

00:23:17.320 Can we stop?

00:23:18.000 Can we do something first?

00:23:20.660 Can we just, can we just address the thoughts and prayers?

00:23:23.760 The thoughts and prayers are not going out to stop violence.

00:23:28.040 I mean, yes, we pray that there's protection, et cetera, et cetera.

00:23:32.520 Thoughts and prayers are for the families and those who are trying to heal.

00:23:38.820 It's not the solution.

00:23:40.280 It's not being proposed by religious people as the solution.

00:23:46.820 Our thoughts and prayers are with the families who are grieving.

00:23:53.180 Can we stop with this nonsense that thoughts and prayers aren't enough?

00:24:00.040 Of course they're not.

00:24:01.720 But they are a part of a civilized Judeo-Christian country.

00:24:07.340 Stop belittling it.

00:24:08.820 Yeah, well, yeah, because I think that's, it's true in that most people, when they say

00:24:12.080 that, right, say thoughts and prayers as a way to extend condolences, to tell people

00:24:17.220 who are victims of such things that you feel for them and you understand their grief.

00:24:21.640 If I may, may I quote, we are deeply disturbed and saddened by the tragic events in Parkland.

00:24:27.540 Our thoughts and prayers are with all of the victims and their loved ones.

00:24:31.200 That's from Dick at Dick's Sporting Goods.

00:24:37.020 So we got it.

00:24:38.300 Can we go one step further with the thoughts and prayers thing here before we get back to

00:24:40.960 this audio, though?

00:24:42.780 I can understand if you are not a believer, right, that you might say thoughts and prayers

00:24:47.660 are meaningless.

00:24:48.400 There's about, you know, 10, 15% of the country that is atheist or agnostic that I can understand

00:24:53.020 saying that, you know, prayers mean nothing.

00:24:55.140 Now, thoughts would still be a message of condolences and, but it has nothing to do with that.

00:24:59.340 But go back to this for a second.

00:25:00.740 If you are a believer, the thing you believe is the most powerful thing in the universe

00:25:06.360 you are appealing to in a moment of real crisis.

00:25:10.360 It is an absolutely, incredibly meaningful thing for someone who believes.

00:25:15.600 You might not think, if you're not a believer, that it has no impact at all.

00:25:20.840 However, how many times have you said this, Glenn?

00:25:23.240 The real solution to all of this is that we turn back towards God.

00:25:28.860 That we turn back towards these things.

00:25:31.100 That's a real, it's not a legislative solution.

00:25:36.120 It's much, much bigger than that.

00:25:38.960 The prayer is not nothing to a believer.

00:25:43.100 If you are someone who thinks it's all, you know, gobbledygook and nonsense, well, then

00:25:47.720 of course I don't think that you're going to think a prayer is a big deal.

00:25:49.880 But to someone who is a believer, it's an incredibly large deal.

00:25:53.240 It's the thing that we are here to do.

00:25:55.260 It's one of the main things that is like, one of the central focuses of our lives, right?

00:26:01.320 So it's not nothing.

00:26:02.980 Saying thoughts and prayers, if you don't actually pray in addition to thoughts and prayers,

00:26:08.020 well, that's maybe you can say that that's nothing.

00:26:10.340 But when you're actually praying, when you're a believer, that's a big deal.

00:26:14.180 We all, our lives are supposed to be a heck of a lot more praying than we actually do.

00:26:19.000 So beginning, beginning today, Dick's Sporting Goods, which by the way, I support Dick's being

00:26:28.620 able to do this.

00:26:30.300 They're a private company.

00:26:31.900 They make their own choices.

00:26:33.680 I think this is wrong.

00:26:35.400 I think it's a, I think it's a, could be a fatal mistake for their business because I don't think that the average person is, is with this.

00:26:49.620 I really don't.

00:26:51.340 You know, you look at the people's, the companies who have started to say, I'm distancing myself from the NRA.

00:26:58.660 None of them have had growth because of it.

00:27:02.100 But all of them have had massive hits to their, to their likability scores.

00:27:09.780 Every company polled had an overall decline by double digits and well into the double digits.

00:27:16.180 Yes.

00:27:16.640 From overall opinion about them.

00:27:19.160 Because you get a slight, get a slight bump from, from Democrats.

00:27:22.360 Yes.

00:27:23.120 And you get a gigantic fall off from Republicans.

00:27:25.280 Yes.

00:27:25.520 So all you're doing is you are, you are choosing sides.

00:27:29.100 You are, instead of saying, look, we are, we, we believe in the constitution.

00:27:34.220 We believe in the right of assembly.

00:27:36.180 We believe in the right of association.

00:27:38.740 We believe in the right freedom of speech.

00:27:41.100 And we believe in the constitution as the second amendment.

00:27:45.940 And we're, we're here to serve all Americans.

00:27:50.520 Now you guys work it out until then we're here to serve all Americans in a legal and responsible way.

00:28:00.160 That to me is the way you save your business.

00:28:03.780 Those who want to choose a side, either side.

00:28:06.720 I think you are making a massive mistake, massive mistake.

00:28:11.360 Dick's will be the number one sporting goods store in places like Boulder, Colorado and, and Los Angeles and New York city.

00:28:20.340 But I think, I can't imagine any of my neighbors in Idaho are going to go into a Dick's sporting goods.

00:28:26.800 I can't choose Cabela's.

00:28:29.120 There's, there's other choices they'll, they'll choose.

00:28:31.480 So they said, we will no longer sell assault rifles also referred to as quote, modern sporting rifles.

00:28:41.020 We have already removed them from the Dick's stores after Sandy hook, but we will now remove them from sale at all 35 field and stream stores, field and stream stores.

00:28:50.700 Well, what am I going?

00:28:52.480 Why would I go to now?

00:28:54.160 It's just a stream.

00:28:55.120 Now it's just a stream store.

00:28:56.400 Well, you should stop selling, stop murdering fish.

00:28:58.820 We will no, no longer sell firearms to anyone under the age of 21.

00:29:03.380 Again, this is their right to do this.

00:29:05.500 Absolutely.

00:29:06.260 We will no longer sell high capacity magazines.

00:29:09.900 This is the, this is one of the most ridiculous things I've, I've ever heard high capacity magazines.

00:29:17.420 Okay.

00:29:17.940 So you've made every single sports shooter a life, a nightmare trying to load them.

00:29:25.220 If you load them by hand is a nightmare.

00:29:27.460 And anybody who knows anything about guns knows I can drop that magazine and shove another one in really fast.

00:29:34.540 I just take a breath to pause and shooting to put a new magazine in.

00:29:39.340 It's a ridiculous idea.

00:29:41.700 And not to mention with the age of the internet and being able to order things from God knows where, plus the idea of 3d printing.

00:29:48.140 I mean, these bands are meaningless.

00:29:50.920 We will, we have never and never will sell bump stocks that allow semi-automatic weapons to fire more rapidly.

00:29:57.380 Now I agree that bump stocks, I think that's a nightmare.

00:30:00.980 I think that's a, I think that's someone trying to get past the law, but again, 3d printing.

00:30:06.740 And I don't know if you know this, but the way those started was from people using their belt loop on their jeans.

00:30:15.460 I mean, you ban the belt loop, ban the belt loop.

00:30:20.900 It, this is not going to do anything.

00:30:23.080 And as we pointed out a little while ago, first define AR tomorrow, we're going to try to do this.

00:30:31.540 Define AR.

00:30:32.980 What does it mean?

00:30:34.500 And AR is not assault rifle, right?

00:30:36.560 Like a lot of people say that it is, right?

00:30:38.620 It's the brand of that particular gun, the AR 15, right?

00:30:42.420 Assault rifle, our modern sporting rifle, modern, right?

00:30:47.260 It's sporting is this class of weapons.

00:30:49.640 Cause it's an AR you could at least say is a brand, right?

00:30:54.160 Like you can't say that about assault rifles.

00:30:56.980 It's it, it is a meaningless term.

00:30:59.660 We all know it's a meaningless term, but again, these, these solutions are not designed to solve anything.

00:31:06.680 No, they're trying to make people feel better that we've done something.

00:31:09.940 So let's, let's actually do something.

00:31:13.260 Let's harden our schools.

00:31:15.100 Like we have our airports and our banks.

00:31:18.080 Is there more treasure in Fort Knox or in our local school?

00:31:23.240 What, why can we not have air marshals in our schools?

00:31:29.800 Why can we not have responsible policing in our schools?

00:31:34.420 Real policing set up for this.

00:31:37.360 The times have changed having Barney Fife, you know, on call is not what we need.

00:31:45.140 And is that going to be successful in every circumstance?

00:31:47.560 No, we saw in Parkland that they actually were relatively well prepared for this particular incident with someone very close by that was able to be there in one minute.

00:31:56.920 I mean, I, you know, I don't know if you're ever going to, you know, improve on that situation.

00:32:00.120 You just actually have to execute your training.

00:32:03.240 Assault weapons have been around since Vietnam, since Vietnam.

00:32:08.880 They just became popular because they look cooler.

00:32:12.800 We've had access to them.

00:32:16.240 In fact, bigger access to them since Vietnam.

00:32:20.700 We didn't have this problem.

00:32:22.580 There's a problem in society with our souls.

00:32:26.980 There's a problem.

00:32:28.540 And what is that problem?

00:32:30.100 We don't see each other as people.

00:32:33.100 So now what do we do?

00:32:35.180 Divide ourselves even more and say, you're part of the problem.

00:32:40.540 You, that half of America.

00:32:42.780 I refuse to do that to the people who are trying to limit guns, because I know a lot of people who believe this.

00:32:51.120 I think they are ill educated.

00:32:53.220 They are not well educated on this particular topic.

00:32:57.540 They have, they have no experience with them and they're afraid of them.

00:33:03.520 I understand that.

00:33:05.160 I grew up around them.

00:33:06.520 You didn't.

00:33:07.660 But if you're talking about a constitutional right, you need to educate yourself.

00:33:13.120 You have to know what it is.

00:33:15.940 Then you have to know what are the, what, what is the record?

00:33:20.500 Because we've already done this.

00:33:22.740 We've banned assault weapons.

00:33:25.040 We banned them according to the very right wing Bill Clinton Justice Department.

00:33:34.100 It did what, Stu?

00:33:35.840 Yeah, it was actually a little bit later than that.

00:33:37.440 But yeah, they did.

00:33:38.120 They found that it had no decrease in the murder rate at all.

00:33:43.020 None.

00:33:43.700 No decrease in the gun homicide rate.

00:33:45.640 It did nothing.

00:33:46.760 I mean, it did nothing.

00:33:49.220 That's, that's quite a, we've already tried, and this is their far reaching thing, right?

00:33:55.200 The assault weapons ban, nobody believes they have a chance of passing.

00:33:58.540 I mean, you know, they're talking about trying to get certain things done, raising the age

00:34:02.040 and things like that, that have maybe a prayer of being done since the president has kind

00:34:05.740 of indicated potential support for them.

00:34:08.120 But there's no way.

00:34:08.860 My 19-year-old daughter who's going to, going to college, she can't carry a gun.

00:34:15.820 If she has a stalker, if she has something that she's very concerned about, she couldn't

00:34:20.780 keep a gun until she's 21.

00:34:23.000 So my daughter is wide open for rape if she were in college until she was 21.

00:34:29.000 In the middle of the Me Too movement, too, which is interesting.

00:34:31.640 Here's the, you're trying to tell us that one out of every one women seemingly get raped

00:34:37.080 in college, everybody gets sexually harassed all the time, yet women cannot protect themselves.

00:34:42.060 And at the same time, you have a woman who is in the midst of taking steroids to become

00:34:49.980 a man in high school, and all of the girls are complaining because of the steroids she's

00:34:54.780 taking, just testosterone, they are too weak to be able to fight her off.

00:35:00.300 They can't even win in a, in a wrestling match.

00:35:04.300 So what, a woman who's not strong enough to fend off an attack of a man who's, who's

00:35:12.740 juiced up and ready to, ready to rape you and do violence, you're going to be able to

00:35:19.560 stop them without a gun?

00:35:20.860 You're going to be able to stop what?

00:35:23.280 We're just going to write off all women who are under 21.

00:35:27.400 Yep, you're going to have to fend for yourself.

00:35:29.060 I don't think so.

00:35:30.900 I have a natural God-given right to protect myself.

00:35:34.900 Now let's protect our children by A, fixing the real problem that happened in Florida.

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00:37:29.560 Mercury.

00:37:35.540 Glenn Beck.

00:37:36.800 We think it's the right thing to do.

00:37:38.160 We, you know, after Parkland, we were so disturbed and saddened by what happened in Parkland

00:37:43.740 that we said, we need to do something.

00:37:45.920 And we talked about what we needed to do.

00:37:48.300 And we felt that we needed to make a statement that we will no longer sell assault type rifles,

00:37:54.740 high capacity magazines, and a few other things.

00:37:56.740 And what the, our hearts went out to those kids and to their parents.

00:38:01.920 And, you know, everybody talks about thoughts and prayers going out to them.

00:38:05.420 And that's, that's great.

00:38:07.600 But that doesn't really do anything.

00:38:09.200 And we felt that we need to take a stand and do this.

00:38:11.560 Great messenger.

00:38:12.460 That is the, uh, that is the CEO of Dick's Sporting Goods.

00:38:15.860 And we support his right to make that choice as a business.

00:38:19.440 I think it's a, um, ill-advised choice for business.

00:38:24.320 But also, it's just ill-informed.

00:38:27.320 Glenn Beck.

00:38:28.280 Mercury.

00:38:34.560 Love.

00:38:35.860 Courage.

00:38:37.500 Truth.

00:38:39.300 Glenn Beck.

00:38:41.160 Do you remember Michael Wolff?

00:38:42.900 He's the journalist, quote unquote, who hung out in the lobby of the White House

00:38:46.640 until he gathered enough dirt to write Fire and Fury.

00:38:49.440 Well, he's been on a, uh, international book tour to promote that book.

00:38:53.080 And things have not gone so well for him as they did here in the U.S.

00:38:58.760 During an interview with an Australian TV news show, Wolff was asked about his recent comment

00:39:03.600 to Bill Maher, saying that he was, he was absolutely sure that President Trump is currently

00:39:08.960 having an affair.

00:39:10.700 Wolff was doing the interview from London and he suddenly, uh, claimed he couldn't hear the

00:39:15.860 Australian interviews question because something was wrong with his audio

00:39:19.340 connection, which is weird, sometimes happens, sometimes doesn't.

00:39:24.380 Um, but, uh, later the Australian news show posted the footage from their London studio

00:39:29.880 showing that there were no audio problems.

00:39:32.340 So probably sometimes it doesn't was what really happened here.

00:39:38.860 He just didn't want to answer the question.

00:39:40.440 When Wolff was on Bill Maher's show, he encouraged the audience to read between the lines of a passage

00:39:47.100 in Fire and Fury where he includes suggestive language about Trump and U.S.

00:39:52.140 ambassador to the U.N., Nikki Haley.

00:39:55.580 Okay.

00:39:56.100 So when the British TV interviewer tried to clarify Wolff's innuendo about Trump, Haley and other

00:40:03.200 possible affairs, Wolff said, and I quote, I assume, I assume because this is Donald Trump

00:40:09.280 and I think it's, you know, absolutely a fair assumption, end quote.

00:40:14.040 Well, gosh, I'm pretty sure that that's, that's one of the first things they should be teaching

00:40:18.780 in journalism school to never assume anything because it makes an, I don't need to say it,

00:40:25.320 do I?

00:40:25.640 Well, no, for Wolff, I do.

00:40:27.060 It makes an ass out of you and me, if I went along, even when it involves Donald Trump,

00:40:34.240 you shouldn't assume.

00:40:35.880 Wolff stands by his own journalism though, saying there's no difference between the journalism

00:40:40.460 in Fire and Fury and books by Bob Woodward.

00:40:44.220 Really?

00:40:44.660 So what is Michael Wolff hoping to accomplish here besides racking up book sales?

00:40:50.820 Well, after a rough few days of being asked uncomfortable questions by European journalists

00:40:56.380 who didn't have a dog in the fight, they just had real journalistic questions for him.

00:41:03.100 Wolff has had enough of the heat.

00:41:04.940 He canceled a BBC interview yesterday saying the tour has just taken a toll.

00:41:10.560 I'm sure it has probably less on your body and more on your reputation.

00:41:15.660 Assumptions by the left and the right about each other.

00:41:21.580 Those are taking a toll on us.

00:41:24.840 We have pulled up an anchor of reason and we are sailing straight into choppy waters of

00:41:31.500 accusation, innuendos, and out-and-out lies about both sides.

00:41:37.580 Let me make a plea.

00:41:42.420 Could we try it for a day to stop assuming the worst about each other?

00:41:49.200 For instance, we just did a monologue on Dick's sporting goods.

00:41:55.820 I don't think the worst of them.

00:41:59.660 I don't.

00:42:00.820 I think they're reasonable people that feel that they're doing the reasonably right thing

00:42:06.360 and they have a right to do it.

00:42:08.460 I just think they're wrong.

00:42:09.880 But I don't want to see dicks go out of business.

00:42:14.680 I think they will eventually because of this, but I think that's because they're out of step.

00:42:20.040 But you know what?

00:42:21.280 Maybe I'm out of step.

00:42:22.660 Maybe I don't know what America is anymore.

00:42:25.340 But here's the thing.

00:42:28.160 We have to stop hating each other and assuming the worst.

00:42:31.720 We have to work to fix reason firmly in her seat.

00:42:36.420 And yes, question with boldness.

00:42:39.700 But question honestly and have an open mind to where if you hear a new fact, you're like,

00:42:45.840 okay, I didn't know that.

00:42:47.860 Let me look into it.

00:42:49.040 And let it risk enough that you might change your mind.

00:42:57.600 If there's a good enough case of reason, question, but pursue the truth.

00:43:05.940 And let's stop pursuing just a win for our team.

00:43:11.620 We need a lot less fire and fury and a lot more honor and humility.

00:43:19.040 It's Wednesday, February 28th.

00:43:31.280 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:43:35.120 You know, you just want to read a good book.

00:43:37.840 I'm reading a couple of books right now that make my head hurt.

00:43:42.840 I tweeted last night, don't just read Jordan Peterson's book.

00:43:49.040 The Twelve Rules to Live By.

00:43:52.260 Listen to it.

00:43:53.260 I've read it and now I'm listening to the audio version.

00:43:57.680 You can tell he's crying at parts of it.

00:44:01.040 And it says so much about him.

00:44:05.240 I have so much more respect for him.

00:44:07.940 I've read the book.

00:44:09.540 Listen to it.

00:44:10.680 And it takes on a whole different, deeper meaning.

00:44:14.600 But I'm reading that and I'm reading another one about the Enlightenment.

00:44:20.880 And I just, do you ever just want to just curl up with a good book and just feel good?

00:44:24.920 There is a new book out by Mark Weinberg.

00:44:28.160 The name of the book is Movie Nights with the Reagans.

00:44:33.460 Here's a guy who worked with the Reagans all the way through the White House years and then beyond.

00:44:40.800 And would go to Camp David on the weekends and watch movies.

00:44:44.920 Now they're all classic movies.

00:44:47.140 And learned a lot about the Reagans and life.

00:44:50.660 And has put it in a new book, Movie Nights with the Reagans.

00:44:54.000 Mark, welcome to the program.

00:44:55.860 Good morning.

00:44:56.320 Happy to be here.

00:44:56.940 How are you?

00:44:58.360 I'm good.

00:44:58.820 How are you?

00:44:59.460 Very good.

00:45:00.340 So when you were going to Camp David, I mean, first of all, let's just talk.

00:45:05.600 What was it like to be, I mean, I don't know if you would classify yourself as a friend because you're probably too humble.

00:45:14.780 But what was it like to be in the friend zone with Ronald Reagan?

00:45:23.480 It was an honor to work for the Reagans.

00:45:25.920 And it was a special treat to go with them to Camp David on weekends and watch movies.

00:45:32.200 And this book brings that picture of them to the reader.

00:45:37.360 It's a picture that hadn't been seen before.

00:45:39.760 And I was very excited to share it with everybody.

00:45:41.880 So tell me about the most memorable, because you go through, and it's such a great way to read this book, you go through the movies that you saw with them.

00:45:51.600 So every chapter is a different movie.

00:45:54.060 Nine to Five, Oh God, Book Two, Raiders of the Lost Ark on Golden Pond, Chariots of Fire, Top Gun, Untouchables.

00:46:01.780 So what did you learn in each of these, and what are your favorite memories?

00:46:07.280 Well, the most important memory, I guess, is how important movies were to the Reagans.

00:46:15.520 You know, I point out in this book that the movie business is where they came from, where Nancy Reagan and Ronald Reagan met, and their lives began together.

00:46:23.940 And it formed the basis of everything in their adult life, essentially, and taught him some very valuable skills about how to lead the nation.

00:46:32.820 And I think the book is a general reminder of the kindness of Ronald Reagan and his love for movies.

00:46:39.220 I think there's a nostalgia now for him, even on the left, for people who didn't agree with him, because he had a way of appreciating what unified us.

00:46:48.360 And in the 1980s, movies were one of those things.

00:46:52.240 There were some amazingly important and impactful and entertaining films of the 80s,

00:46:58.100 and how the Reagans reacted to them was something I was very privileged to see and very excited to share with people.

00:47:04.640 So let's talk about the reaction to some.

00:47:06.260 For instance, you say that war games may have influenced Ronald Reagan on his nuclear policy.

00:47:13.140 Tell me about that.

00:47:15.180 I remember watching war games, and what I remember most about it is that usually after the movies,

00:47:22.320 Camp David and their Lodge, Aspen Lodge, there would be a very robust discussion of the movie,

00:47:27.180 what people thought, and how the movie was made, and the president and Mrs. Reagan would share stories,

00:47:32.680 many of which are in this book, about behind the scenes of Hollywood and Regale Us.

00:47:37.860 After war games, it was oddly silent.

00:47:40.300 It was what I would call a sobering movie, because it introduced the possibility that by accident,

00:47:46.120 there could be a nuclear war.

00:47:47.520 And as you know, Ronald Reagan was unalterably committed to keeping the world safe and free from that threat.

00:47:54.140 And I think this really made him think.

00:47:57.420 Now, movies didn't form policy for him, but it certainly was one that made him think.

00:48:02.900 And that silence in Aspen was very uncharacteristic.

00:48:07.640 If you go through and read about the rest of the movies, as you know,

00:48:10.180 you'll read that there's a lot of fun and interesting stories that they share,

00:48:14.180 and laughs and so forth.

00:48:15.420 But this one was different.

00:48:16.240 So, there was one other place that you say in the book was oddly silent,

00:48:21.560 and it was after this line in Back to the Future.

00:48:27.140 Listen.

00:48:27.420 Then tell me, future boy, who's president of the United States in 1985?

00:48:36.400 Ronald Reagan.

00:48:37.400 Ronald Reagan?

00:48:38.600 The actor?

00:48:40.040 Ha!

00:48:41.120 Then who's vice president?

00:48:42.980 Jerry Lewis.

00:48:45.180 I suppose Jane Wyman is a first lady.

00:48:47.940 Whoa, wait, Doc!

00:48:48.800 And Jack Benny is secretary of the treasury.

00:48:51.240 Doc, you gotta listen to me.

00:48:52.660 I got enough practical jokes for one ending.

00:48:54.460 I think this is such a funny scene, and you described this as, you know,

00:49:01.380 the laughter was there until, I suppose, the first lady is Jane Wyman.

00:49:06.500 Wyman.

00:49:07.800 You could hear the oxygen go out of the room because that was a name that just wasn't mentioned,

00:49:11.980 and some of us exchanged worried glances.

00:49:15.180 No one said anything.

00:49:17.260 You know, Mrs. Reagan clearly heard it.

00:49:19.580 Movie ended, and it was a funny movie.

00:49:22.160 The Reagans laughed through most of it.

00:49:23.600 And we didn't quite know what to say, but someone broke the silence by saying something

00:49:30.520 about Jack Benny because he was a friend of the Reagans and just had a nice conversation.

00:49:36.140 It never came up again.

00:49:37.820 And I had an interview with Mrs. Reagan before she passed away.

00:49:42.140 It was her last interview, actually, as far as I know, at her home in Los Angeles.

00:49:45.480 And we talked about the movies that we watched at Camp David, and she was very excited about the fact

00:49:51.480 that I was going to share this story because this is a side of them that had never been written about

00:49:55.400 and was so special to them watching the movies.

00:49:57.920 And I brought up what some of the favorite memories were, and I brought that one back up,

00:50:04.020 but did not mention the Wyman name.

00:50:07.280 I also tell a story in this book, without giving it away, about the only other time I heard

00:50:13.260 Jane Wyman's name, and that was from Ronald Reagan's own mouth.

00:50:19.580 Let me ask you about 9 to 5.

00:50:22.800 You say 9 to 5 angered the Reagans and actually was the reason or was one of the motivating

00:50:29.480 reasons for such an active campaign with Nancy Reagan on Just Say No to Drugs.

00:50:36.540 Yes.

00:50:37.120 You know, that was an almost favorite.

00:50:39.500 And in fact, it was the first movie I saw with them in this surreal atmosphere at Camp

00:50:43.960 David, and it was a very entertaining movie.

00:50:46.380 Jane Fonda, notwithstanding, it was an entertaining movie.

00:50:49.360 But what turned the Reagans off to it was the glamorization of marijuana.

00:50:53.820 There was a scene where the three women smoked marijuana, and that turned them off.

00:50:57.680 And in researching this book, I went back and read President Reagan's personal handwritten

00:51:01.960 diaries, and he wrote in there that that scene made him angry, that it wasn't necessary,

00:51:07.280 that perhaps they had been drinking, which was legal, marijuana was not.

00:51:11.900 That might have been okay.

00:51:13.640 And Mrs. Reagan was bothered by it, and in fact, in one of her speeches as part of the

00:51:17.920 Just Say No campaign, even referred to it, that when you glamorize or glorify these bad

00:51:23.620 habits, you're not doing kids any favor.

00:51:26.920 And I think it made them mad at Hollywood.

00:51:30.380 So, you know, as I'm reading your book, there's pictures in the middle of it, and there's a

00:51:35.040 picture of you on the tarmac.

00:51:36.900 It is such an amazing shot.

00:51:39.560 You're on the tarmac, and Marine One is behind you, the helicopter.

00:51:42.960 And there is a wired desk telephone that had been taped down onto the tarmac, brought out

00:51:52.120 to you, and you're on this rotary dial phone on the tarmac.

00:51:58.180 Things were so radically different back then.

00:52:03.380 They were different back then.

00:52:04.680 There was no internet.

00:52:05.920 There was no cable TV.

00:52:07.880 There were not cell phones.

00:52:09.300 We used something called typewriters.

00:52:11.920 And one of the things I hope this book does is take people down that memory lane of the

00:52:17.480 80s, which I think was a wonderful time in American history.

00:52:21.500 But you're right.

00:52:22.580 It was different times.

00:52:23.960 Before we ask this, Stu has a question, and if you're a big Stu fan, you know what the

00:52:29.080 question is going to be.

00:52:30.120 But can you just describe, you're at Camp David.

00:52:34.540 This is a place that, you know, the last two presidents haven't really liked.

00:52:38.920 It's very quiet and old school.

00:52:42.720 Explain what the room was like and how these movies were shown.

00:52:45.320 The Reagans loved Camp David because they could just be themselves.

00:52:50.720 They were just the Reagans.

00:52:52.160 There was no press.

00:52:53.120 There was no anything around.

00:52:54.200 It was as close to normal as they could get in their circumstances.

00:52:57.600 And that's why she and he cherished it so much.

00:53:01.100 That's why she was so happy to talk to me about it.

00:53:03.840 And that's why I wanted to write about it, because it had not been revealed before.

00:53:07.240 Their home at Camp David was a modest three-bedroom ranch-style home called Aspen Lodge.

00:53:12.860 It was in the living room of that home where we watched movies while they sat on a couch.

00:53:19.640 A screen came down from the ceiling, a projection room at the back of the dining area in that

00:53:25.920 house, and a window through which the movies were shown reel-to-reel like in a theater.

00:53:32.900 The old days.

00:53:34.100 They loved Camp David because they could relax and be private.

00:53:38.700 There's a story in there about some hijinks of the Secret Service.

00:53:41.520 Because they just like to exhale together.

00:53:45.440 So we have one minute, Stu.

00:53:47.980 Since I was about nine years old, Mark, I was fully convinced that Rocky IV ended the Cold War.

00:53:55.000 They actually did watch Rocky IV.

00:53:57.620 What did they think of it?

00:53:59.000 He liked the fact that the American won.

00:54:03.300 You know, that never bothered Ronald Reagan.

00:54:06.200 If you go through this book, you'll find that these pro-military ones are the ones that really appeal to him the most.

00:54:11.520 Oh, wow.

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00:57:00.320 Glenn Beck.

00:57:06.600 When you start to Mark Weinberg, his book Movie Nights with the Reagans, which is really one cool thing about it is taking these moments of history, like the Challenger explosion, what were they doing around it?

00:57:16.620 It really, it's really interesting from history and really pop culture history as well.

00:57:21.280 Also a good break.

00:57:22.460 Just a good break.

00:57:23.080 Just a nice break.

00:57:23.820 Yeah, exactly.

00:57:24.620 At one point, however, I do want to ask you about something from that interview.

00:57:27.920 You mentioned that Mark might not want to call the Reagans friends, which is something that you do all the time.

00:57:35.320 Like when you're pretty much friends with someone, but you don't want to be.

00:57:39.380 I don't want to claim to be friends with people who are famous.

00:57:43.880 Yeah.

00:57:44.200 I mean, Michael Buble is a good example.

00:57:48.480 Are Michael Buble and I, are we friends?

00:57:50.780 No.

00:57:51.100 If we're in a room together, we see each other.

00:57:54.640 He's come up to me.

00:57:55.760 I didn't even see him and we were in a hotel lobby together and he's like, hey, Glenn, Glenn.

00:58:01.620 So we're.

00:58:02.200 And you'll hang out and you'll talk.

00:58:02.940 Yeah, we'll talk and we'll have laughs, but we're not friends.

00:58:05.880 You're not vacationing together.

00:58:07.120 Yeah.

00:58:07.480 And so I just, I think it's always important to differentiate between friends and.

00:58:13.240 Well, you don't want to come off as a guy who's a name dropper.

00:58:15.460 Yeah.

00:58:15.680 Like, oh yeah, he's a friend of mine.

00:58:17.240 No, he's really not.

00:58:18.280 Right.

00:58:18.480 I understand.

00:58:18.860 And I understand why you use that and why you said that to Mark.

00:58:21.880 However, then you just find what he was with Ronald Reagan as the friend zone, which is

00:58:27.560 not what that term means.

00:58:28.860 Please tell me it doesn't mean like friends with benefits.

00:58:31.560 Well, I would say what it means is you are a friend with someone and you want to hook up

00:58:36.280 with them or have more and they are like, and they could be keeping you in a friend area.

00:58:41.840 They don't know, not allowing you to cross the line that you want to cross.

00:58:44.980 Now, I don't know Mark that well, but I don't think that was his desire.

00:58:48.720 No.

00:58:49.120 And that was not my, that was not my intent of defining their relationship.

00:58:54.200 Right.

00:58:54.760 You know?

00:58:55.260 Yeah.

00:58:55.680 I was sitting in the movie theater and I was looking at Nancy going, I'd like a slice of

00:58:59.760 that pie, but Ronnie's looking pretty good in his life too.

00:59:03.120 But I can only stay in the friend zone.

00:59:06.280 Biggest regret of my life right there.

00:59:08.920 I should have made a move when I had a chance.

00:59:12.180 The book though is interesting from the perspective of pop culture as well.

00:59:15.200 There's been multiple documentaries, for example, and books written about Back to the Future and

00:59:19.240 the history of how that movie was made.

00:59:21.160 And I mean, tons has been written about that.

00:59:23.320 I have never heard the anecdote that the Reagans were watching that movie.

00:59:27.540 It talks about how they loved Michael J. Fox because he played Alex P. Keaton, who was

00:59:32.220 a cool young Republican on TV.

00:59:34.980 And then the Jane Wyman thing, wherever the room fell silent, I don't think I've ever heard.

00:59:38.540 Yeah.

00:59:38.780 Really good stories.

00:59:40.440 And it's a good break from the nonsense.

00:59:42.680 It'll take you back to something I want to talk about next.

00:59:46.340 Better days?

00:59:48.460 Glenn Beck.

00:59:50.300 Mercury.

01:00:00.420 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:00:02.300 Can we just take a, let's just take a second here and get out of the nonsense, the stuff

01:00:11.120 that just really doesn't matter in the end.

01:00:15.660 And let's look at what matters most.

01:00:17.400 And that's us and each other and our fellow countrymen and our children.

01:00:23.400 You know, you know, if you feed yourself with this garbage every day, like I have for the

01:00:32.380 last 20 years, you, I mean, you just, you're, it's, you can become cynical.

01:00:39.340 You can become very cynical.

01:00:40.680 And you can start to believe things that aren't necessarily true about each other, but about

01:00:50.140 our own lives.

01:00:51.000 You know, we were talking about this book, movie nights with the Reagans, which is a

01:00:55.940 great read.

01:00:56.700 And it'll just kind of take you back to a, a simpler time.

01:01:01.200 Was it, was it really?

01:01:03.600 I mean, I think our lives were simpler because we didn't have federal express.

01:01:09.340 We didn't, I mean, I, you know, remember federal express at the time was, was turned

01:01:12.980 down by, I don't know how many banks, because they said, nobody needs a document overnight.

01:01:17.040 Now it's like, I need it right now.

01:01:20.100 So our lives were simpler then, but was it, was it really any better?

01:01:25.040 I mean, I remember during the Reagan years, I, I was, I remember working in the nation's

01:01:31.740 capital thinking I'm at ground zero.

01:01:33.800 We could be vaporized.

01:01:36.460 I remember having the nightmares as a kid of, you know, those missiles flying over the

01:01:42.440 pole from Russia.

01:01:43.960 I mean, it was a real fear.

01:01:46.380 We don't have that now.

01:01:47.740 Yes, we have terror.

01:01:49.740 We have North Korea.

01:01:50.960 We have Russia, but is it any worse really than being vaporized the entire world being

01:01:59.300 vaporized?

01:02:00.340 I don't think so.

01:02:01.740 If you look at what our life, think of this, and I'll get into the stats here in a second.

01:02:10.140 Stu, just take note on some of these stats.

01:02:13.360 Homelessness since the 1980s, down.

01:02:16.360 Violent crime, down, dramatically down.

01:02:21.100 And look this stat up.

01:02:23.700 School shootings, actually down.

01:02:27.240 Death of children, death of children, the needless death of children, the mortality rate, hunger, access

01:02:35.740 to education.

01:02:37.040 And I mean access by everybody.

01:02:39.860 You're in the jungle with a smartphone.

01:02:43.220 Access to knowledge, to banking institutions, to markets, to be able to make something yourself

01:02:52.860 and sell it, the freedom to speak and actually be heard.

01:02:58.040 These are all things of our day, not of the 1980s.

01:03:02.680 And so before we throw the baby out with the bathwater, let's recognize that there is a baby there.

01:03:10.280 The only thing that I could think of that I think is really what we mean when a simpler time is we had faith in each other.

01:03:19.900 We trusted each other.

01:03:23.960 We trusted the stranger.

01:03:26.720 We trusted that you're an American.

01:03:29.860 We're all in this together.

01:03:30.760 We're going to disagree and argue back and forth, but we're in it together.

01:03:34.780 That's the only thing that has really taken our quality of life and put it down the crapper.

01:03:40.460 Is we don't have faith in our institutions, which in some ways, maybe we shouldn't have so much faith.

01:03:47.740 We shouldn't have blind faith in those institutions.

01:03:50.640 So maybe that's even good.

01:03:54.080 But losing our faith in each other is, is I think the biggest loss of anything in my life that I have witnessed happen.

01:04:03.200 We have to regain that.

01:04:05.080 And I'm not convinced that if social media exists in the 80s, that we, that a lot of those things would have been the same way.

01:04:11.480 I agree with you.

01:04:11.940 I mean, I think a lot of times we tend to remember the things that we like and delete the things that we didn't like from the past.

01:04:19.100 We've romanticized it a bit.

01:04:20.220 Plus, you know, there's a, I think a general tendency to do that.

01:04:24.920 I mean, you're going to, you're going to do that as a human being, but then in it, you're also going to delete things that didn't matter.

01:04:31.180 And we have to remember that a lot of these fights that we have on a daily basis, on a weekly basis, just don't matter.

01:04:37.580 Can you even remember, we were talking about this yesterday.

01:04:39.120 Can you even remember what the political battle was three weeks ago?

01:04:42.620 What was, I mean, you know, Jared Kushner is in the news today.

01:04:45.160 You think that's going to be an issue in two weeks?

01:04:47.880 Like, these things are so fleeting and meaningless so often.

01:04:53.160 And if you go back to those times, I think you just don't even remember them.

01:04:56.080 I mean, you know, Ronald Reagan was in the middle, midst of a lot of vicious battles and attacks from the media.

01:05:02.880 But it was only covered 30 minutes a day on three channels.

01:05:07.040 It wasn't all encompassing.

01:05:08.000 It wasn't every day picking apart everything that was happening.

01:05:11.420 Yeah.

01:05:11.640 And I think, you know, you look at some of the stats you mentioned, you know, violent crime rate in the United States has dropped by about 50%.

01:05:18.180 50.

01:05:19.360 50%.

01:05:19.880 And 50.

01:05:20.440 And we are looking at ourselves and we're saying, oh, we're living in such dangerous times.

01:05:25.720 It's down by 50% since I was in high school.

01:05:32.080 That's incredible.

01:05:33.420 Incredible.

01:05:34.020 And you, I mean, if you listen to this show at all, you know that I, every time there's one of these like, we must do something moments, I'm usually a skeptic of them.

01:05:43.280 I am usually a skeptic of any, like, you know, the shark attack phenomenon.

01:05:48.220 Oh, well, there's got a shark attack, shark attacks.

01:05:49.600 Oh, and then you look at it two months later, like, wait a minute, there was no increase in shark attacks at all.

01:05:52.840 It just was a media phenomenon.

01:05:53.640 You're a numbers guy.

01:05:54.520 That's what I love you.

01:05:55.540 You're, you're, you're so deeply rooted in numbers and stats that very few things affect you because you're like, actually, no.

01:06:05.040 Yeah.

01:06:05.180 I tried to, to do that.

01:06:06.620 Right.

01:06:06.860 You know, I don't get emotional about those things.

01:06:09.320 And I, you know, I think you wind up finding out when you look at the real information, a lot of times it tells a different story.

01:06:16.880 Now, even I, in that position, was shocked reading this today from Northeastern University.

01:06:23.680 Here's the headline.

01:06:24.740 Schools are safer than they were in the 90s.

01:06:26.720 That's not a huge shock because the crime rate's down.

01:06:28.820 But school shootings are not more common than they used to be.

01:06:32.240 They go through stat after stat.

01:06:34.700 They'll, they show the charts, mass murders, 2000, going back all the way to the 90s.

01:06:40.100 School shootings and mass shootings, 1992 through 2015.

01:06:44.240 I mean, an absolutely noticeable decline, decline, decline in the amount of mass shootings and school shootings.

01:06:51.640 Uh, students killed per million in fatal school shootings from 1992 through 2015 is when the study shows have dropped by 80%.

01:07:02.280 Wait, say that again.

01:07:03.840 Students killed per million.

01:07:05.420 So that's a rate, right?

01:07:06.600 We're not talking about a raw number.

01:07:08.160 We're talking about the rate of kill.

01:07:09.280 Students killed per million in fatal shootings from the 90s to today has dropped by about 80%.

01:07:15.040 It's just happening in mass.

01:07:17.900 That's, I guess, the difference.

01:07:18.780 But even mass shootings.

01:07:19.620 So witness, now let me.

01:07:20.660 School shootings have gone down.

01:07:22.560 Incidents per year down.

01:07:24.040 Question with boldness.

01:07:25.600 Question with boldness.

01:07:26.720 I have a question.

01:07:27.640 Go ahead.

01:07:28.060 Would that make a case for the gun-free zone?

01:07:33.380 Because in the 90s is when they put that in.

01:07:37.240 I mean, it's hard to make that case given the stat we've talked about many times that over 98% of mass shootings have happened.

01:07:43.540 Or two since 1950.

01:07:45.040 In gun-free zones.

01:07:45.740 So it's hard to imagine that that is the factor there.

01:07:49.320 Let's get that to John Lott.

01:07:50.760 It's always worth looking at.

01:07:51.640 Yeah, let's look at that.

01:07:52.620 It's always worth looking at.

01:07:54.260 I mean, what are the other things that have changed that?

01:07:59.060 Well, I mean, I think the biggest thing, and this is why, this is kind of the genesis of this conversation that we started having during the break,

01:08:05.300 is that a lot of times we focus on little things that enrage us or inflame us on a daily basis,

01:08:13.260 and we lose track of the bigger, larger trends that are much more important.

01:08:17.600 As you pointed out, we were on the verge of nuclear holocaust through this period we were just reminiscing about.

01:08:22.260 And now, with crime rates down, and with, I mean, even if you believe the world is unstable as we do,

01:08:29.480 and there are a lot of risks out there, geopolitical and otherwise,

01:08:32.980 you have to know that there's been a giant reduction in nuclear weapons worldwide.

01:08:38.260 The fact that Russia is no longer, or the Soviet Union,

01:08:41.780 does no longer exist with the amount of nuclear weapons that they had,

01:08:45.720 while still dangerous, is a certain improvement.

01:08:48.380 The fact that they are weaker than they were at their peak is an improvement.

01:08:54.160 We have downgraded the amount of nuclear weapons that we have.

01:08:57.780 I mean, they built the Tsar Bomba back in the day, the biggest nuclear weapon ever.

01:09:02.000 It was like, you know, 50 times the biggest that we ever made.

01:09:05.720 And they actually tested it.

01:09:09.100 Now we're talking about lower yields and more, even in the nuclear realm, we've improved quite a bit.

01:09:15.600 But some of these improvements are absolute knock, knock your socks off.

01:09:22.120 You know, worldwide, since 1990, there has been a 53% drop in the amount of children dying before age five.

01:09:33.360 A 53% drop.

01:09:36.680 This started after Reagan, right?

01:09:39.020 It used to be 17,000 kids that were dying every day that today don't die, that live.

01:09:46.660 Because I would argue, large-scale capitalism spreading throughout the world and improving life.

01:09:55.320 Let me share something.

01:09:59.560 I was sick a couple of weeks ago, and I had the flu.

01:10:02.640 And this was the worst flu I've ever had.

01:10:05.100 I mean, it was.

01:10:06.480 It was diabolical.

01:10:07.840 I mean, it ran through our family.

01:10:10.740 I don't, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to demonize the flu.

01:10:13.540 It was, it was, I don't even want to say it was bad.

01:10:16.400 It was strong.

01:10:17.600 Right.

01:10:18.140 But everybody in the family was sick.

01:10:19.980 We were all in bed.

01:10:21.820 And I've never experienced something this violent before.

01:10:26.020 And so I was thinking, I was thinking, my gosh, we're all down.

01:10:29.860 And I started thinking, you know, typical Glenn Beck thinking.

01:10:32.460 Imagine the Spanish flu of 1918.

01:10:35.340 Oh, my God.

01:10:35.740 Where I think it was a third of the population died.

01:10:39.520 A third.

01:10:41.240 Imagine how weird that was.

01:10:42.960 I was out with a friend on Monday.

01:10:44.800 And I said, how's the family doing?

01:10:46.440 Because they've been down for about a week and a half.

01:10:48.880 Everybody is sick.

01:10:49.900 And his wife is sick.

01:10:50.700 And he said, he said, Glenn, this, he said, this is the first time in my life I've ever

01:10:54.940 actually thought of, wow, what was it like when people just get the flu and just die?

01:11:02.760 I mean, think of that.

01:11:04.160 We don't even, we don't really even, people still die for the flu, but it's not something

01:11:09.460 that goes through your head.

01:11:11.240 It's, yeah, it's, you don't even consider it.

01:11:12.580 It's unthinkable when it happens.

01:11:14.380 But give me this again, 17 kids died in the shooting and it's an incredibly big deal.

01:11:18.860 It's not a small deal.

01:11:20.360 We should absolutely try to solve those problems.

01:11:22.860 But in this span, we've been talking about this five times as many kids in the United

01:11:28.760 States have died from the flu, have died from the flu.

01:11:33.540 85 kids, this is as of last week, had died in this flu season from the flu, which has

01:11:37.680 been a really bad flu season.

01:11:39.620 And while it's absolutely vitally important that we, every one of these lives matters,

01:11:43.500 we have to put it in perspective and, and realize how good things have gotten on this

01:11:48.120 point, Glenn, what I was talking about with all these kids that, that, uh, that used

01:11:51.880 to die that now live, that number is over 6 million kids worldwide that would die in

01:11:57.320 1990 and live today.

01:11:59.600 But when you ask people, has poverty gotten better or worse?

01:12:03.280 70% of people say it's gotten worse.

01:12:06.660 70% think it's gotten worse.

01:12:09.360 This is an incredible achievement.

01:12:11.120 Probably the biggest achievement any of us will ever even consider.

01:12:15.280 You're saving 6 million people per year.

01:12:19.040 And that's just children.

01:12:20.700 And we totally ignore it.

01:12:22.320 And we romanticize past eras.

01:12:24.280 Um, so the big things have gotten much better, but you're right.

01:12:27.200 There is that constant angst that seems to just never go away.

01:12:30.520 And it makes us feel a lot worse.

01:12:32.140 I think it's because of, and I'm not blaming it on social media.

01:12:35.120 I'm saying it is leading us, um, to view things with distorted vision.

01:12:39.940 It, we compare ourselves to other people.

01:12:43.380 We compare ourselves to a better lifestyle.

01:12:45.660 We, we are constantly, um, thrust into, uh, left, right discussions, them, them versus

01:12:53.140 us.

01:12:53.720 It's, it's not good for a society.

01:12:56.280 And if we can, I, let me finish where I started.

01:13:01.080 We have to, we have to work hard.

01:13:05.220 We did not think about dividing ourselves and plan on how to divide ourselves.

01:13:13.580 I think others may have Russia, but we didn't, but it is going to require all of us to think,

01:13:21.340 how do we repair this?

01:13:23.700 And if we can just find basic faith and goodwill in each other, we're going to be okay.

01:13:35.220 So if there is a disaster, how do you know you're going to be okay?

01:13:49.160 I mean, what do you do?

01:13:50.440 Honestly, what do you do to, to not have all of this angst?

01:13:54.360 You just prepare, you, you know what you're supposed to know, do what you're supposed to

01:14:00.040 do, get it done.

01:14:00.860 And then it's fine.

01:14:03.640 There's a disaster.

01:14:04.660 There's a disaster in my house.

01:14:06.400 I know we're fine because I know we have food supplies.

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01:15:28.380 Glenn Beck, Mercury.

01:15:38.120 Glenn Beck.

01:15:41.620 I mean, I'm having a really hard time with this stat that, that school shootings and mass

01:15:49.040 shootings are even down from, can you, I don't, I mean, I can't get my arms around this.

01:15:56.200 I can't either.

01:15:56.900 I was again, stunned to read this today.

01:15:59.260 Again, it's from Northeastern University.

01:16:00.620 They talk about all the, they have all the research posted.

01:16:03.120 I just, I'll tweet it again from at world of stew and we'll get it from at Glenn Beck as

01:16:07.360 well, but they show all the charts and this is a, again, they don't necessarily agree

01:16:12.320 with all of our solutions either.

01:16:13.740 I mean, it's not like a conservative study that's trying to defend our positions.

01:16:17.540 But, you know, back in the early nineties, it was as high as about, I'm, you know, trying

01:16:21.980 to read a chart here, but about 30, 30 incidents per year.

01:16:27.200 And again, they, they mass school shootings, multiple victim school shootings and fatal school

01:16:32.180 shootings.

01:16:32.480 They, they cover all three of them.

01:16:34.260 Um, and most of them are, of course, are just fatal school shootings, which are, you

01:16:38.320 know, one person, but it goes down.

01:16:39.980 It was, you know, up around 35 and now it's down to around five per year.

01:16:44.200 Unbelievable.

01:16:45.360 Unbelievable.

01:16:46.320 Unbelievable.

01:16:47.240 We'll really delve into this later on, on the blaze TV and more tomorrow.

01:16:53.860 I mean, Glenn Beck, Mercury.

01:16:58.660 Love, courage, truth, Glenn Beck.

01:17:12.080 I wanted to share a letter with you that, uh, came in that was unusual.

01:17:16.300 Um, I had been saying for a while, let's, you know, our, our, the minute we start to try

01:17:21.800 to win is the minute we lose, uh, by trying to win and winning, it means that everybody

01:17:31.220 else loses.

01:17:32.080 It's why we need reconciliation and we need reconciliation with each other and we need it

01:17:37.300 with the truth.

01:17:38.000 We don't need wins.

01:17:39.900 We need an honest search for truth.

01:17:43.580 How can we make life better?

01:17:45.820 How can we solve things and how can we do it together?

01:17:51.240 Now that doesn't mean we're going to agree on everything and it doesn't mean that everybody's

01:17:55.140 going to join in, but there has to be some effort made.

01:18:00.640 I got this email in and I wanted to share it dear Mr. Beck.

01:18:03.540 I never thought I would be writing to you, especially not to thank you for anything, but

01:18:07.820 here I am as a 23 year old liberal who was pretty politically aware throughout middle

01:18:14.240 and high school, you once represented one of the biggest problems our country had to

01:18:20.060 me.

01:18:21.220 But after listening to you, I have felt something I haven't felt in a long time, hope, true,

01:18:28.960 honest to God, hope, hope for the future of this country, not the kind of partisan hope

01:18:34.960 that quote, my team wins end quote, but the kind of hope that we can all figure out that

01:18:41.680 we're all on the same team, the American team.

01:18:45.300 I had honestly given up, Mr. Beck.

01:18:48.100 American politics were beyond saving in my eyes.

01:18:51.460 But if Glenn freaking Beck of all people can come out and extend an olive branch and try

01:18:57.300 to start building a bridge between the two Americas, then I know I shouldn't give up.

01:19:02.940 Please don't try to stop fixing this.

01:19:06.220 You're going to take flack from both sides.

01:19:08.320 The right is going to call you a traitor and the left will call you a liar, but you will

01:19:14.480 have my support and you'll have the support of everyone else who is fed up with the constant

01:19:20.180 war of outrage and scandal.

01:19:23.480 Thank you.

01:19:25.300 Let me just reply.

01:19:27.680 No, thank you, Max.

01:19:30.080 It's Wednesday, February 28th.

01:19:40.440 You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

01:19:43.120 So we all have to look at what we can do in our own lives to to make the world a better

01:19:49.740 place.

01:19:50.220 I know that Ben Shapiro has come out and on the daily wire, he has said, we are not going

01:19:56.440 to publish the name or the likeness and make this this kid in Florida famous.

01:20:03.560 And we have said that for a long time.

01:20:06.780 We don't use the name on the radio.

01:20:10.000 The blaze has not had an official policy on that.

01:20:13.940 And I really want an official policy on it, but I want it rooted in in in things that

01:20:19.860 actually have some backing to it.

01:20:22.800 What really does make a difference?

01:20:25.360 If the media would do certain things, would would that help?

01:20:30.520 Well, there is a guy who has studied this for a long time, Ari Shulman.

01:20:35.080 He is the editor editor of the New Atlantis, and he has a Wall Street Journal article out

01:20:40.520 what mass killers want and how to stop them.

01:20:44.700 Ari, can you help me design a policy for our media outlet so we don't help mass killers?

01:20:54.220 Well, I can try.

01:20:55.440 Thank you for having me on the show, first of all.

01:20:57.920 Yeah.

01:20:58.260 So I've been writing about this issue for a few years.

01:21:00.420 And what I did was I just looked into the psychology and criminology research that has

01:21:05.120 been around for about 20 or 25 years on mass killings, and I was trying to look at this

01:21:10.980 question of what motivates them.

01:21:13.120 And the answer is that there are a lot of different things that motivate them individually.

01:21:16.620 They all have some sort of grievance.

01:21:17.980 The main commonality is that they all get to a point where they decide that the world

01:21:21.620 is to blame for whatever they are frustrated about in their own lives, and they want to inflict

01:21:26.360 their rage upon the world in a kind of spectacle of theatrical public violence.

01:21:31.040 And one of the commonalities of that is that they feel a sense of frustration and impotence

01:21:36.820 that they don't have any control over their lives, and they don't have any meaning in their

01:21:40.200 lives.

01:21:40.620 And so this act, in which they usually intend to die, is a way of trying to give their

01:21:45.620 lives a kind of final meaning.

01:21:46.960 And part of that is to create a sort of infamy for themselves and for their action.

01:21:51.520 So there is a wealth of evidence that shows that mass killers, especially after Columbine,

01:21:56.920 are obsessed with previous events.

01:21:58.160 A lot of them are obsessed with Columbine.

01:22:00.380 Many of them became obsessed with the Virginia Tech shootings.

01:22:03.380 There becomes this kind of chain of obsessive interest in each other.

01:22:08.260 The Newtown shooter, for example, actually kept a spreadsheet where he was keeping track

01:22:12.340 of all the mass shootings that had happened and the details on them, which had the highest

01:22:17.300 body counts and so forth.

01:22:19.180 And so there is a lot of evidence that what's happening here is that there are these, there's

01:22:22.740 this class of frustrated young men who are essentially trying to one-up each other, to

01:22:27.540 outdo each other.

01:22:29.340 And that part of that is their desire to create a kind of infamy for themselves and their death.

01:22:33.960 Okay, so let's just take this list one by one.

01:22:37.460 You say never published the shooter's propaganda.

01:22:41.540 Yes.

01:22:42.120 So I think the worst example of this would be the Virginia Tech shooting, where the shooter,

01:22:47.520 actually minutes before he committed his act, dropped in the mail to NBC News a video that

01:22:53.340 he had created where he was ranting about the world and all of the people who had wronged

01:22:58.380 him and how he was about to get his revenge.

01:23:00.000 I think that it is really appropriate to view this as a form of propaganda.

01:23:05.340 Mass shootings in general, I think, can be understood as a form of apolitical terrorism.

01:23:09.160 It's terrorism without any very strong political content, but it is still designed to inflict

01:23:13.800 terror upon society and to target innocent victims.

01:23:16.920 So when you publish that kind of propaganda or manifestos or any of that kind of stuff,

01:23:20.820 the Sutherland Springs shooter left the manifesto, you are allowing them to control the meaning

01:23:25.000 of that event.

01:23:26.120 And what that does is that creates a motive or an incentive for the next shooter to know,

01:23:29.440 well, if I go and do a big enough shooting, then I will get to control the meaning of

01:23:33.500 that event and my words will get out there and I'll become a kind of anti-hero.

01:23:37.000 And I assume this, I assume this, you'd be, you'd say the same thing about terror?

01:23:42.680 I mean, you know, actual Islamic Middle Eastern terrorism?

01:23:47.480 Yes, I think that that's right.

01:23:48.940 I mean, I've studied mass shootings a little bit more than actual political terrorism.

01:23:53.080 That is, the aim of the terrorist is not to actually destroy his enemy physically, it's

01:24:02.060 to inflict a kind of psychological triumph where the victim is made to feel powerless in

01:24:10.380 this event.

01:24:10.900 And part of that is crafting a kind of narrative around that.

01:24:13.820 And I think that that is a commonality with mass shootings.

01:24:15.820 So hide their names and faces, but is the next one.

01:24:19.360 But I want to jump to this one.

01:24:20.640 Don't report on biography or speculate on motive that in this particular case, the, the biography

01:24:28.460 or the, the history of this kid has been extraordinarily valuable to figure out what happened.

01:24:36.860 Yeah.

01:24:37.360 So of all of the things that I wrote in this piece, I wrote this, this piece about four

01:24:40.480 years ago.

01:24:41.160 Um, that's the one that I would probably the most want to walk back from now.

01:24:45.540 Um, I think what I would say about that is that there is an excessive, there's often an

01:24:49.840 excessive focus on trying to find out what is the motive for this person.

01:24:54.000 There's always this question.

01:24:54.940 People describe these as this is senseless.

01:24:57.240 There doesn't seem to be a reason that this person killed the, the particular victims that

01:25:01.480 he did.

01:25:01.840 And my answer to that is that the, the motive, um, is, it should be understood as kind of

01:25:07.840 self-directed and as a desire to just get, uh, get infamy and notoriety for oneself.

01:25:13.280 When people are asking about motive, they're usually trying to find out, you know, did the,

01:25:16.760 did the particular victims actually wrong the perpetrator in some way?

01:25:20.180 And the whole point of these acts is that the victims didn't even really know the perpetrator.

01:25:24.420 The perpetrator is deliberately trying to, uh, to kill innocent victims.

01:25:28.680 And so I think that there can be an excessive focus on trying to make sense of these acts

01:25:33.380 and kind of, in the terms of sort of normal crime where there is a deliberate targeting.

01:25:38.120 So I think that's what I was trying to get at with that, uh, with that one.

01:25:41.420 Obviously in this case, the reporting on his biography has been extremely valuable.

01:25:44.820 So I think I would put a little, a little asterisk around that now.

01:25:47.980 The, uh, the minimize specifics and gory details and kind of the no photos and videos of the

01:25:53.020 event.

01:25:53.280 I think these are kind of explained together that, you know, we're not looking for,

01:25:58.680 uh, photos and videos that are, are gory or that glorify or show in action, the shooters.

01:26:05.040 But for instance, you know, having pictures of the scene, let's take Las Vegas.

01:26:11.080 I don't even know what the shooter really looked like.

01:26:13.500 I, you know, and we didn't see any videos of him except in the window.

01:26:17.260 Should we, should we have done the videos of the scene as it was, as it was going, but

01:26:24.420 not showing the shooter?

01:26:25.380 What I'll say about this is just that I, I want to recommend that there is a balancing

01:26:30.560 act to be had.

01:26:31.740 Um, I think particularly when you look at past shootings, Columbine is the, is the biggest

01:26:36.440 example of this.

01:26:37.340 I think part of the reason that Columbine had such an outside influence and there have

01:26:41.360 been journalists and criminologists who have tracked this and found that probably something

01:26:44.380 like 60 or 70 mass shootings have been directly or indirectly inspired by, by Columbine,

01:26:49.880 where there is a kind of line of obsessive influence from the shooters back to Columbine.

01:26:53.120 And I think a lot of that had to do with the imagery that came out of that.

01:26:56.740 So anybody who was, you know, around and paying attention to the news reporting at the time

01:27:01.440 as I was, saw these video camera images, the security camera images in the school, um,

01:27:07.180 of the two shooters walking around the school.

01:27:09.060 And it created this, this really iconic imagery of these shooters perpetrating this act.

01:27:14.620 So there is obviously a value in reporting on the details of the act.

01:27:19.640 Um, it's, you know, particularly valuable when people are trying to figure about policy

01:27:23.420 mechanisms for disrupting this, what kind of weapons that they use, how did it all play

01:27:27.560 out?

01:27:27.820 There are still a lot of questions about, uh, the details of what happened in Las Vegas,

01:27:31.260 for example, there is that value there.

01:27:33.320 The point that I want to make is that there's also a risk in doing that of allowing for the

01:27:37.580 creation of iconography that will go on and inspire future shooters.

01:27:40.500 Uh, trying to Ari Shulman of the, uh, new Atlantis, he also wrote in the wall street

01:27:44.820 journal about and studied for a long time mass shootings.

01:27:47.180 I have kind of a working theory here, Ari, help tell me if you can help me along with

01:27:50.720 this, but the Vegas incident is, is, is a very strange one when you group it in with

01:27:56.760 all these other mass shootings.

01:27:57.880 And I feel like we almost in a way that media was forced into taking your recommendations

01:28:04.000 and essentially experimenting whether they would work or not, because we didn't have a

01:28:08.860 motive, we, we, we didn't have any video of him doing anything.

01:28:12.340 And, and my, my belief is at this point, you could name, go back and name the Columbine

01:28:18.160 killers and people would have them right off the top of their heads.

01:28:20.760 Who this guy was in Vegas is basically, I know nothing about him.

01:28:24.400 We know it's a terrible incident.

01:28:25.480 We know, we know generally what happened, but he was not made into a celebrity out of that.

01:28:29.900 And it's the biggest mass shooting in American history, at least, uh, you know, going back

01:28:33.700 several decades, you know, it seems like there's almost a test case here to show that your,

01:28:39.180 your, uh, your ideas here actually work.

01:28:43.160 Yeah, that's an interesting point.

01:28:44.720 Um, yeah.

01:28:46.000 So again, I, I first started writing about this a few years ago.

01:28:48.520 I've written a few follow-up pieces since.

01:28:49.940 And, uh, the biggest thing that I wrote about this was this, this big wall street journal

01:28:53.280 piece.

01:28:53.580 And I would probably write it a little bit differently today.

01:28:55.520 I was very much focused on the, the infamy and sort of celebrity aspect.

01:28:59.240 And, um, I was particularly thinking about, uh, Columbine, Virginia Tech, uh, Newtown and

01:29:06.020 a bunch of the acts that had, had tried to imitate those where there was very, very clear

01:29:11.040 evidence, um, that a desire for infamy and celebrity was part of the motivation.

01:29:15.540 Some of the more recent acts, it's less clear.

01:29:18.100 Uh, I think Las Vegas is one of those.

01:29:20.900 Um, the recent shooting in Parkland, it's less clear there.

01:29:24.500 Um, I think the same thing for Sutherland Springs.

01:29:26.560 I can name a few other examples.

01:29:28.200 So what would you add to the, what would you add to this list?

01:29:31.860 There's some things that you said, I might rethink that.

01:29:34.020 Is there anything you'd add to this list?

01:29:37.480 Um, I don't know that I would, that I would add to this exactly.

01:29:41.040 One of the things that I would say is that, um, there is a way to get the information out

01:29:46.660 there in a less sensational manner.

01:29:49.820 Uh, so when you look at the, at the initial reporting after a mass shooting in the first few

01:29:53.720 days, a vast amount of the information turns out to be wrong.

01:29:56.920 Um, and the way that we respond to it, part of what I was trying to get at in this is

01:30:02.300 that we have a kind of a ritualized response to this where we are essentially becoming good

01:30:07.760 victims.

01:30:08.180 I hate to use that, that phrase, but there's a desired psychological response that the

01:30:12.460 mass shooting is supposed to evoke.

01:30:13.620 And part of the, part of my criticism of the obsessive focus that the public has on these

01:30:18.760 events is that it plays into that desire to, to kind of become good victims.

01:30:23.640 Uh, one of the things that I emphasized in my original piece is that you, you essentially

01:30:27.700 have this self-perpetuating script or template or story that has been created so that anybody

01:30:32.660 who is angry can go out and follow the script.

01:30:34.880 Right.

01:30:35.120 So the thing that we need to figure out is either how to decrease the power of that,

01:30:41.120 uh, of that script.

01:30:42.680 And I think part of that is by decreasing the saturation and the sensationalism of the

01:30:47.220 reporting.

01:30:47.920 But another way might be to actually change the script or show ways of breaking it.

01:30:51.880 And I think we are actually maybe seeing something like that happening right now with the way

01:30:56.100 that the Parkland students are responding to the shooting.

01:30:59.040 Um, I don't want to get into, to the content of what the students are saying there.

01:31:03.120 A lot of that is, you know, debatable, um, but the, the interesting thing about it is

01:31:07.520 that they're being very bad victims, right?

01:31:09.420 The way that a victim is supposed to behave and that the public is supposed to behave is

01:31:13.380 to be terrorized, to say this is senseless, to say, you know, we feel helpless and there's

01:31:17.880 nothing that we can do.

01:31:19.340 And so I think one of the things that I found fascinating about the Parkland students' response

01:31:23.000 is that they are not behaving in a way as if they are, are helpless.

01:31:26.600 And I wonder if that may turn out to, to dampen some of the power of the script.

01:31:31.660 It's really interesting to me because I, I look at it in a different way and I've never

01:31:35.480 thought of it your way.

01:31:36.860 Um, and it'll be interesting to watch because I've thought of it as if you, if you wanted

01:31:42.120 to make a bunch of victims, then you lose.

01:31:44.680 But if you wanted to, uh, forward a movement, you could, um, you could count on that happening

01:31:53.380 because of the emotion of, it's, it's so connected to the emotion and there's so much, um, uh,

01:32:01.520 attention to this now that, you know, the, the shooter, whether this was his intention

01:32:07.160 or not, and I don't think it was, I think he was nuts.

01:32:09.800 Uh, there is action and the country is, has stopped because of his deed.

01:32:16.340 Yes. Um, so I think that there are two different ways that you can see the way that the country

01:32:23.420 is responding as a success or a failure in terms of what this shooter was, was attempting to

01:32:28.120 achieve. We have about a minute that we can understand that. Okay. Um, I think you can say

01:32:33.620 that to one extent it's successful because we're all talking about it a lot to another extent,

01:32:37.580 it's not successful because, uh, we aren't responding in the way that we are, that we are

01:32:42.040 really supposed to. Yeah. Okay. Um, Ari, thank you so much. And, um, and when you have, you know,

01:32:49.060 new thoughts, we would love to hear it. We, we want to try to be responsible and do the things

01:32:52.720 that we can, instead of just telling everybody else what they can do. Thank you so much. Uh,

01:32:57.780 Ari, you bet. It's Ari, uh, Shulman. He is, uh, he wrote an article for the wall street journal,

01:33:07.460 what mass killers want and how to stop them. And it's really aimed towards the media.

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01:34:25.200 an extra 10% lifelock.com. Glenn Beck Mercury. Glenn Beck. So Jared Kushner and the terrible,

01:34:42.800 horrible, no good, very bad day that he had yesterday. Tuesday, uh, was not really kind to

01:34:48.980 the president's son-in-law. Kushner may have felt that he was, um, uh, living out in real time the

01:34:54.600 day made famous in the, um, in the children's book and the, in the movie where Alexander goes to sleep

01:35:00.120 with, uh, gum in his mouth and wakes up with gum in his hair. Kushner went to sleep with a top secret,

01:35:06.080 uh, clearance and woke up with a downgrade to just plain old secret, uh, which is a really big deal

01:35:12.800 for the things that he is working on. However, I mean, it means that his high level stuff has to

01:35:18.860 be worked on, but it is not unusual for a security clearance to take this long. Now that was just

01:35:25.120 the beginning of his day. Media reports started coming out stating that officials from four

01:35:29.200 different countries have discussed ways that Jared Kushner might be manipulated. Sources told

01:35:34.560 the Washington Post that these ways of manipulation include taking advantage of Kushner's complex

01:35:39.620 business arrangements and his family debt. Oh, okay. But did they, was anyone doing that? Or is

01:35:45.880 just the Washington Post saying hypothetically, these things could happen. We talked to people

01:35:49.880 in four different countries. I mean, I mean, it sounds bad, but can we pump the brakes here for

01:35:55.880 a second? First of all, Kushner may still eventually get the top secret clearance. He's been downgraded

01:36:01.640 to secret. In the meantime, the process to obtain a top secret clearance takes sometimes a very long

01:36:08.920 time, depending on how much information the investigators have to go through. The top two things that tie

01:36:14.980 top secret clearance are meetings with foreign nationals and financial debt. Well, he's got a

01:36:21.420 ton of both of those. And for anybody waving that, you see, he's guilty flag. This process is normal,

01:36:30.040 normal. Secondly, I'm having a hard time understanding why the Washington Post ran the story that four

01:36:37.520 countries had discussed ways that they might be able to manipulate the president's son-in-law.

01:36:41.780 Are they thinking about doing that? If so, maybe we should know which countries those are.

01:36:47.360 I mean, are rival nations looking for ways to gain leverage? And if they are, wait, no.

01:36:57.620 I mean, I wish I could show you my shocked face here on the radio, but your shocked face is probably

01:37:02.160 the same. If those four countries are actually trying to do something or were successful in

01:37:07.400 manipulating him, then it would be a story. Other than that, this story is meaningless.

01:37:16.980 Glenn Beck. Mercury.

01:37:19.080 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:37:29.140 Okay, there's something we all have to learn because there's a new talking point.

01:37:32.260 And it's always great when you get these new talking points because everybody starts to say

01:37:36.000 the same thing on television all at once. Same day. All of a sudden, everybody is saying

01:37:41.300 exactly the same thing. Here's the new talking point.

01:37:44.460 Business interests, including the 666 Fifth Avenue property in New York.

01:37:49.300 They were close to getting the company to invest in the 666 Fifth Avenue property.

01:37:53.880 Is there at least a circumstantial case here that some of what these meetings were about

01:37:58.180 was 666 Fifth Avenue?

01:37:59.520 You see the same ability to try and have vulnerability with Kushner over the 666 building that perhaps...

01:38:05.280 Tom's son-in-law has a 41-story-sized problem at 666 Fifth Avenue.

01:38:09.040 Jared Kushner's company still...

01:38:10.260 ...walking to the office at 666 Fifth Avenue.

01:38:13.420 666 Fifth Avenue.

01:38:15.600 666 Fifth Avenue.

01:38:17.320 666 Fifth Avenue.

01:38:19.560 The building in New York on Fifth Avenue, that's...

01:38:22.980 The address is 666...

01:38:24.900 ...find out who is in possession of some of these properties, especially 666 Fifth Avenue.

01:38:30.400 Well, clearly the devil owns 666 Fifth Avenue.

01:38:34.440 Who else is living there?

01:38:35.980 I mean, Jared should have known it was bad luck to buy 666 Fifth Fifth Avenue.

01:38:41.660 But that's what they're saying is because he owes his, you know, debt on this property.

01:38:46.060 It's one of the...

01:38:46.600 It was the most expensive office building ever purchased in New York when he bought it, I

01:38:50.680 think, in 2007.

01:38:52.480 And so now they're saying what he's been looking around the world to get financing for the building

01:38:57.420 and everything.

01:38:58.040 This is back before he was in the White House.

01:38:59.900 And they're saying this is a pressure point on Jared Kushner.

01:39:03.000 And it came out in the Washington Post story, that address.

01:39:05.660 And then everybody on cable news is repeating 666 Fifth Avenue.

01:39:12.260 And immediately, as soon as that story comes out, it's a big talking point.

01:39:16.460 And everybody mentions it over and over and over and over again.

01:39:18.860 Well, you know this is...

01:39:19.800 They're experts in New York real estate.

01:39:20.480 You know, this isn't a right talking point because we would have said, see, see, there's

01:39:25.020 connections there to the Antichrist.

01:39:28.160 I'm just telling you.

01:39:30.020 If the right would have had 666 Fifth Avenue, we would have at least had fun with it.

01:39:35.220 But that's not happening.

01:39:37.580 Pat Gray, welcome to the program.

01:39:40.380 On your mind today.

01:39:42.380 Many things, but maybe the top of my list right now is Ryan Seacrest.

01:39:48.480 First of all, Ryan Seacrest was accused by his hairstylist or, you know, the person who

01:39:53.880 does his makeup at E for six years.

01:39:56.480 Yeah.

01:39:57.440 And she claimed that he sexually harassed her on a regular basis.

01:40:02.520 So quietly, E did an investigation.

01:40:06.160 I think they handled it right.

01:40:07.620 You know, they didn't suspend him.

01:40:10.100 They just waited to see what was going to happen.

01:40:12.320 They found zero evidence that what she said was true.

01:40:16.560 Zero.

01:40:17.060 And he kept going.

01:40:17.860 And Seacrest talked about it.

01:40:19.960 He put it on his Facebook post or, you know, put out a story.

01:40:24.000 And he said, I didn't do this.

01:40:26.180 This is not true, but I'm cooperating with, you know, whatever the company wants to do,

01:40:31.060 I will cooperate.

01:40:32.100 And he did.

01:40:32.660 He did.

01:40:33.400 And they found no evidence.

01:40:34.760 Zero.

01:40:35.280 And now it's everywhere all of a sudden.

01:40:37.300 And now they're talking about public relations.

01:40:39.860 Public relations people are advising their clients not to go anywhere near him at the Oscars because

01:40:46.000 he has the red carpet thing, the interviews that he does.

01:40:48.620 Oh, jeez.

01:40:49.100 And so the PR people are saying, why would you even take that chance?

01:40:53.380 He's been accused.

01:40:54.160 So go to the other person or go to some other outlet.

01:40:57.120 He's been accused.

01:40:58.040 And he's been cleared.

01:40:59.860 And he's been cleared.

01:41:02.380 Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?

01:41:07.240 If this isn't a worse McCarthyism than we had in the 50s, I don't, I mean, it's at least

01:41:14.500 as, it's getting as bad.

01:41:16.600 It's getting as bad, except that did have the power of the government to put you in jail.

01:41:21.160 Very true.

01:41:22.060 You know, this is just destroying your life.

01:41:25.580 And I mean, witch hunt is appropriate on this.

01:41:29.120 There's an ABC star, Bellamy Young.

01:41:32.580 She's on Scandal.

01:41:33.280 Well, she said, I think this is the time for Ryan Seacrest to step aside and let someone

01:41:38.600 of equal talent that is beyond reproach to be in charge.

01:41:42.420 First of all, the guy has every job in the world.

01:41:45.400 There's nobody of equal talent.

01:41:47.740 I'm sincere about that.

01:41:49.060 I think he's one of the most talented, smartest guys around.

01:41:52.000 He just is really good.

01:41:53.140 He's really good.

01:41:54.060 And aren't you above reproach if you've been cleared of any wrongdoing?

01:41:59.860 That seems to me.

01:42:00.920 No, you never get to go back.

01:42:02.140 I guess not.

01:42:03.100 You never get to go back.

01:42:04.020 I mean, you're just totally tainted now forever because somebody accused you.

01:42:08.380 Let's keep in mind, anybody can accuse anybody else of wrongdoing.

01:42:13.020 And then you're just ruined.

01:42:14.380 I have a llama in the wings right now that's going to swear out a testimony about Pat.

01:42:19.520 And if you want me to bring the llama out, I will.

01:42:22.040 If you actually had a llama, I'd be nervous.

01:42:24.140 But once that llama does what llamas do, bazz or barks or whatever they do, it can't be

01:42:33.480 unbarked, Pat.

01:42:34.600 It can't be unbarked.

01:42:36.420 Scary.

01:42:37.120 You know what's interesting?

01:42:38.620 You're talking about how people can be accused and they're always tainted with it.

01:42:44.080 And it's over.

01:42:44.640 We're in the Me Too era, right?

01:42:45.280 It's over.

01:42:46.120 You know what's one accusation that has had no attention since the Me Too movement has

01:42:53.820 started?

01:42:54.580 I bet I'm going to say the same thing.

01:42:56.400 Are you really?

01:42:57.120 Yeah.

01:42:57.260 I don't know.

01:42:57.540 I was going to say Al Gore's second chakra.

01:43:01.000 Remember?

01:43:01.560 Oh, wow.

01:43:02.600 Remember this?

01:43:03.660 Remember the accusation by the masseuse who said that Al Gore was constantly trying to

01:43:09.240 get him to touch her?

01:43:10.380 Yeah.

01:43:10.780 To really...

01:43:11.960 I want you to adjust my second chakra.

01:43:15.140 Right.

01:43:15.640 Remember this?

01:43:16.160 It's because of our eff you believe that my chakra's out of place.

01:43:21.480 So yeah, he was trying to get her to do things to him in regions she didn't want to touch.

01:43:26.560 And she complained about it and it was brushed off by the media completely.

01:43:31.140 He has not faced word one of a second thought on this over that time.

01:43:36.020 And Bill Clinton has, right?

01:43:37.400 I mean, there have been a lot of people on the left who said, okay, we handled that Clinton

01:43:40.580 thing wrongly.

01:43:41.800 But I mean, one accusation has been enough for almost everybody.

01:43:45.200 And that wasn't 30 years ago.

01:43:46.100 That was eight years ago.

01:43:47.300 That was in 2010.

01:43:48.640 Was it 2010?

01:43:49.300 Yeah.

01:43:49.720 I knew it was late 2000s.

01:43:51.060 Yep.

01:43:51.400 So let me go where I was going to go.

01:43:54.900 Jimmy Kimmel.

01:43:56.560 Jimmy Kimmel is hosting the Oscars, not outside like Ryan Seacrest.

01:44:02.780 He's hosting the Oscars.

01:44:05.800 Has he been accused?

01:44:07.280 Have you seen any of the videotapes of what he's done?

01:44:10.080 I mean, he used to host a show called The Man Show.

01:44:13.200 Yeah.

01:44:13.440 He did a, I'm going to put something in my pants and you can feel around to see what it

01:44:20.740 is.

01:44:21.440 You might want to use your mouth.

01:44:23.880 Okay.

01:44:24.200 Yes.

01:44:24.640 He's on video doing that.

01:44:26.500 Yep.

01:44:26.700 Over and over.

01:44:27.360 I mean, it was part of that show.

01:44:28.800 Look, and I defend that show at that time.

01:44:31.680 And I, you know, they, they did things.

01:44:34.320 No way.

01:44:34.700 But they did things that were funny, right?

01:44:35.800 It was, it was funny and it was, it was totally fine.

01:44:39.300 Sorry.

01:44:39.560 It's retroactively inappropriate.

01:44:41.060 It's retroactively inappropriate.

01:44:42.300 However, because, you know, I mean, remember this is the show that ended every episode

01:44:48.240 with girls jumping on, jumping on trampolines in their underwear.

01:44:51.140 Every episode ended the same way.

01:44:53.360 That was literally the last sentence of every show.

01:44:55.860 He's the guy jumping on trampolines and he's the guy that's totally okay to host the Oscars.

01:45:01.160 I mean, you want to talk about, nobody said a thing.

01:45:03.500 There's two things.

01:45:04.440 There's two people, two organizations that have made a choice today.

01:45:08.520 And I don't think it's going to end well for either of them.

01:45:11.680 Dick's sporting goods.

01:45:12.920 Yeah.

01:45:13.640 Okay.

01:45:14.040 Yeah.

01:45:14.320 Saying we're not going to carry, you know, AR-15s.

01:45:18.880 We're standing against these things.

01:45:20.600 We're going to, you can't buy a gun until you're 21.

01:45:22.760 I don't think that's going to play in the heartland of America.

01:45:26.200 Even though everybody's jumping on Walmart now to do the same, which they did back in 2015.

01:45:31.820 Well, if they, if they do that for the hysteria, maybe I don't agree with it, but maybe that's

01:45:38.820 what Dick's did last time.

01:45:40.480 Dick's did, you know, a temporary, we're just going to take them off the shelves.

01:45:43.900 And just let the heat go away.

01:45:46.200 Okay.

01:45:46.620 So you kind of understand that.

01:45:48.700 But Cabela's, I don't think Cabela's is going to do that.

01:45:52.580 And if I can go buy a gun at Cabela's and I have Dick's who is, you know, I want to buy

01:45:59.340 a gun that's not an AR.

01:46:00.860 I'm not going to go buy it at Dick's.

01:46:02.520 No, I'm going to go to Cabela's.

01:46:04.100 They've made the choice.

01:46:05.480 The other organization is the Oscars.

01:46:09.320 They have taken a guy.

01:46:12.900 Now, see if this sounds familiar.

01:46:13.920 A guy who has called the president, all kinds of names.

01:46:17.460 A guy who has, has made passionate, sometimes unstable, seeming pleas on his own show.

01:46:27.540 He has cried on three different occasions, three different shows while making pleas about

01:46:34.100 politics.

01:46:34.600 And I thought that was a bad thing.

01:46:35.920 It's a bad thing.

01:46:36.860 Yeah.

01:46:37.280 They have now said, you are the guy, by the way, in the middle of the Me Too thing also

01:46:43.760 has his history.

01:46:45.080 You're the guy to host the Oscars.

01:46:47.500 The Oscars has zero chance, zero chance.

01:46:52.520 When you have Jimmy Fallon available.

01:46:54.400 How do you expect to get people in the center of the country who disagree with you to watch

01:47:01.400 the Oscars?

01:47:02.360 If I were ABC, I'd be pissed.

01:47:04.700 I know it's your guy, but I'd really be pissed.

01:47:07.880 Yeah.

01:47:08.540 Because I just spent a fortune to have the Oscars.

01:47:12.100 And now you're going to strap me with this guy who's going to turn off half of the country.

01:47:17.840 It's just foolish.

01:47:19.280 Just foolish.

01:47:20.240 We have some audio from Jimmy Kimmel talking about this.

01:47:22.560 You want to hear it?

01:47:22.920 Yeah, go ahead.

01:47:23.360 This is Jimmy Kimmel talking about what he said about the GOP and Donald Trump.

01:47:28.940 Do you think that maybe there have been times where you've pushed the envelope too far and

01:47:33.880 maybe become a little too political?

01:47:35.740 No, I don't.

01:47:36.660 You don't regret anything that you've said?

01:47:38.560 Not at all.

01:47:39.140 I don't think you can go too far.

01:47:41.220 I think that I'm still doing a comedy show and I need to be funny and entertain my audience.

01:47:46.800 But I also think that we've matured enough to the point where we can accept

01:47:51.980 late night talk show hosts speaking about a serious subject.

01:47:56.920 And I think that it's almost necessary now.

01:48:01.300 But can we accept talk show hosts making jokes?

01:48:06.960 I don't know.

01:48:07.880 I mean, I accepted it from Jimmy Kimmel when he was doing the man show.

01:48:12.180 I mean, it was a joke.

01:48:13.840 We all understood it was in that context.

01:48:15.380 Now, I don't know if that's true.

01:48:17.200 But I mean, you know, Kimmel has always talked about serious issues on that show.

01:48:20.980 One of the things that made Kimmel, I think, a really strong late night host is we used

01:48:25.040 to play his audio all the time of people who thought, who didn't understand Obamacare

01:48:30.080 and who didn't, you know, understand these big Obama pushes.

01:48:33.420 And he took time to mock them as well.

01:48:39.180 You know, he he used to do that.

01:48:41.460 And what's happened is he's had a personal incident that has made him very emotional about

01:48:45.940 health care and it set him off on this track, this, you know, sort of snowball effect where

01:48:50.880 now that's all he could think about.

01:48:52.060 He's completely assessed, despite knowing almost nothing about the topics he's talking about.

01:48:55.420 It's very Letterman-esque.

01:48:57.080 Same thing happened to David Letterman with the war.

01:48:58.980 It made him bitter and angry and awful and awful and unwatchable to anybody on the right.

01:49:06.880 And so that I think that same thing is going on with Kimmel now.

01:49:10.480 Do you want to we also have him talking about I don't know, you want this striking the right

01:49:14.740 tone at the Oscars?

01:49:16.220 Want to hear this real quick?

01:49:16.860 Yeah, yeah.

01:49:18.280 Nervous at all that you're going to strike the right tone.

01:49:20.720 Yeah, that I do worry about that because I have a tendency to not strike the right tone

01:49:25.360 in my life.

01:49:27.040 And so I, you know, I do think about that.

01:49:32.460 How will you know if you've gone too far?

01:49:34.000 I'm sure the Internet will tell me.

01:49:35.780 He just said he can't go too far.

01:49:37.080 In real time.

01:49:37.720 Yes, almost immediately.

01:49:39.000 So you probably saw there was a USA Today poll that was released recently that said 94% of

01:49:44.240 women in Hollywood have been harassed or assaulted.

01:49:47.460 That's your audience right there.

01:49:49.200 Yeah.

01:49:49.540 How do you address it?

01:49:51.160 Well, listen, here's the thing.

01:49:52.920 This show is not about reliving people's sexual assaults.

01:49:56.640 It's an award show for people who have been dreaming about maybe winning an Oscar for their

01:50:02.240 whole lives.

01:50:03.100 And the last thing I want to do is ruin that for someone who is, you know, nominated for,

01:50:10.620 you know, best leading actress or best supporting or best director.

01:50:14.340 We can stop right here because I'm just listening to this.

01:50:16.240 I'm like, I don't care about any of the stuff about the Oscars.

01:50:20.160 I really don't stuff.

01:50:22.040 I just don't care about it at all.

01:50:24.380 Not going to watch it.

01:50:25.360 Don't care.

01:50:26.320 I do care about Ryan Seacrest.

01:50:29.360 And that is Oscar related because here's a guy who has been cleared by an investigation

01:50:36.140 and just one person saying he was he was coming on to me all the time.

01:50:42.460 He was sexually harassing me, even though the company looked into it and did an extensive

01:50:47.600 evaluation in today's atmosphere, finds him clean.

01:50:53.420 They're still wanting to drum him out of business.

01:50:55.980 It's wrong.

01:50:58.640 Thanks, Pat.

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01:53:47.700 So, please, it is a great book to read if you want to defend the Second Amendment.

01:53:54.540 I got an email in about Cruz's neighbor begging cops to step in after reporting his dark behavior.

01:54:02.640 A lot of people are saying, Glenn, you can't arrest somebody for what they might do.

01:54:06.040 No, you're right.

01:54:07.000 But when there is this much evidence, that many people speaking out, we need to do more.

01:54:15.540 Glenn Beck, Mercury.

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