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00:04:18.840 So Richard Staropoli, he is a former U.S.

00:04:23.720 Secret Service special agent, also former Department of Homeland Security chief.

00:04:29.360 He was the chief information officer there.

00:04:32.000 And I read an article by him the other day.

00:04:35.620 He has extensive experience on matters involving intelligence gathering and emerging technologies,

00:04:42.600 but also, you know, security was with Secret Service.

00:04:47.200 So not only forgery and bank fraud and fugitives, but also the security around the president of the United States.

00:04:54.260 And he believes we are in for possibly a rough winter here.

00:05:03.460 Richard, welcome to the program.

00:05:05.860 Well, thank you very much for having me, sir.

00:05:07.620 You bet.

00:05:08.200 You bet.

00:05:08.600 Thank you so much.

00:05:10.220 So can you give us the threat that you see coming?

00:05:15.160 Well, you know, Glenn, I don't think I said anything that most people hadn't surmised to begin with

00:05:22.980 about the deficiencies and the shortcomings of the Secret Service

00:05:25.800 and how they've allowed their political feelings to compromise the mission of the Secret Service

00:05:32.040 and providing the adequate level of protection for President Trump.

00:05:36.280 Right.

00:05:36.560 Right.

00:05:36.980 It is.

00:05:37.380 I think it's more than obvious to real bad guys or evildoers, as W would have put it,

00:05:44.160 that every incident that's gone on that involved President Trump,

00:05:48.440 since he was shot in Butler, to include the incident with the guy on the golf course,

00:05:52.980 the Chinese national walking onto the Mar-a-Lago property, other incidents,

00:05:59.820 people are watching these things and they're viewing them as a test of the response of the Secret Service.

00:06:05.040 And I've got to tell you, from a law enforcement, from a Secret Service perspective,

00:06:09.420 the Secret Service has not fulfilled their primary mission.

00:06:12.860 They've simply allowed way too many things to happen that could have ended in total tragedy.

00:06:18.760 And were it not but for a millimeter in Butler,

00:06:21.820 we'd be having a much different conversation about who the next president is going to be.

00:06:26.140 So, Richard, I have, I've actually begged to testify against the Secret Service in Congress

00:06:34.100 because I have firsthand knowledge of things that I have done

00:06:38.620 and how I've been able to approach the president without anybody, you know,

00:06:45.860 looking into me and my team with guns.

00:06:48.600 I mean, it's crazy.

00:06:49.440 However, in the last few, well, probably the last two months, maybe,

00:06:57.960 the Secret Service is at least, for a layman like me, all over it.

00:07:05.520 I've never seen security like what's happening right now with Donald Trump.

00:07:10.540 Never.

00:07:11.280 And that's partly right, right?

00:07:13.360 The optics now has gotten a lot better.

00:07:15.500 But the problem is, and this is just by virtue of the acting director's, you know,

00:07:20.520 most recent testimony, where he continually says in full view of the public

00:07:25.120 that they're lacking the adequate manpower and resources to do this job.

00:07:29.520 So a real bad guy interprets that as, okay, let's take a look and see what's going on.

00:07:34.380 And yes, the people that are around the secrets, that are around President Trump,

00:07:38.140 have been pulled much closer.

00:07:40.020 It is more difficult to get closer to them.

00:07:42.240 All that simply means is that these organized groups need to pull back their perimeter.

00:07:47.260 Look what happened at the event in Vegas before the election.

00:07:50.960 A guy in a car or a truck was allowed to drive within a quarter of a mile.

00:07:56.380 Turns out he was a Trump supporter, but he was stopped by the local sheriff's office.

00:08:01.500 Hey, what if that truck had been loaded with explosives?

00:08:04.700 He got close enough to cause tremendous damage to that building and bring the roof down.

00:08:09.820 And yet, even at a quarter of a mile, he never encountered a federal agent,

00:08:14.440 let alone a Secret Service agent.

00:08:16.540 The Secret Service is not providing the presidential level of protection

00:08:20.460 that they need to to President Trump.

00:08:23.160 And they're masking that because they're saying, well, he was a former president.

00:08:27.000 Now they're saying, well, he's not inaugurated yet.

00:08:30.080 So consequently, you left the guy who's target number one on everyone's hit list

00:08:35.780 not as protected as he should be.

00:08:38.660 Yet you're providing 40 or so protective details to members of the Biden crime family

00:08:44.020 to include crackhead, non-taxpaying Hunter Biden.

00:08:48.340 And this is a big problem.

00:08:50.400 You don't have manpower.

00:08:51.760 Why are you providing protective details to the Secretary of the Treasury,

00:08:55.400 the Secretary of Homeland Security, the Kareem Jean-Pierre, Admiral Kirby,

00:09:01.220 and I could go on and on for another 20 people.

00:09:04.180 Kareem Jean-Pierre has Secret Service protection?

00:09:08.340 Oh, this has been going on for a long time.

00:09:10.720 There are almost 40 protective details that are being worked out of the White House.

00:09:15.020 Not all of them are done by statute that involve the Biden family.

00:09:19.720 Right.

00:09:20.040 There are people that are being given one or two agents

00:09:22.900 and are driven to work back and forth under the guise of, well,

00:09:27.160 you know, it's in the best interest of national security.

00:09:29.360 You can't tell me that isn't a conscious decision by the Biden administration

00:09:34.260 to suck resources away from where they should have been allocated to President Trump.

00:09:39.460 Now, can I push back again, Richard, on this?

00:09:43.180 Only because you're a pro at this.

00:09:45.600 I'm a layman, but I have been around presidents, you know, since Reagan.

00:09:50.540 And I remember the Secret Service around Reagan.

00:09:54.900 It was intense.

00:09:56.640 When I was at Mar-a-Lago just, what, last week, I mean, I've never seen anything like it.

00:10:03.460 And in fact, I said to my wife, I think all of the taxes that I will pay in my entire life

00:10:11.360 will not cover the bill of all of this apparatus and all of these people protecting the president.

00:10:20.000 And I pay a lot in taxes.

00:10:22.160 I mean, I can't imagine what real security would look like.

00:10:27.600 So what is it you think they're missing?

00:10:31.320 Well, what they're missing is the secret part of the Secret Service that you don't see, right?

00:10:36.460 The fact that you've got to go through all these metal detectors

00:10:39.920 and pass through this cordon of Secret Service agents, that's part of it.

00:10:43.820 But the other part of it is things like, where's the air assets, right?

00:10:48.160 For years, the Secret Service has been using a helicopter airborne asset.

00:10:52.080 Well, since Igor Sikorsky invented helicopters, right?

00:10:55.360 By doing that, you've put people in the air.

00:10:58.240 You've demonstrated the ability to have secure communications amongst the personnel on board that helicopter.

00:11:04.600 And you've allowed the service to extend their perimeter out much, much further.

00:11:10.460 What the service is doing now is nice.

00:11:12.940 That'll stop the guy with the handgun.

00:11:15.000 That'll stop the guy from getting in close.

00:11:17.020 But that's not going to stop the organized threat.

00:11:19.940 And it's the organized threat that's a really, really big concern here today, right?

00:11:24.820 Whether it's the nation state or the cartels, they don't need to get that close.

00:11:29.720 They just need to know where he is and take a building down.

00:11:33.080 And that's the concern.

00:11:34.600 So there's two things that concern me.

00:11:37.320 And you, having experience with Department of Homeland Security, would recognize this immediately.

00:11:42.940 I am, I mean, I see the way his plane, down in Florida, it was protected by rows of old school buses, okay?

00:11:53.080 They just parked them all around his plane.

00:11:55.560 That didn't seem, I mean, that seemed a little like, I don't know, like how Venezuela might do it.

00:12:00.920 But I know that it probably is not that hard for a cartel or someone to get a rocket launcher across the border.

00:12:11.780 And the president's plane does not have, what is it, chaff or chaff?

00:12:17.500 Countermeasures, that's correct.

00:12:18.500 Yeah, countermeasures, doesn't have any of that.

00:12:20.460 So I'm worried about that.

00:12:22.200 And I am worried that we do have really bad drug cartel people in the country and people from several countries who wish us death that could get those rocket launchers.

00:12:37.240 So is Department of Homeland Security, are they working with the Secret Service at all to find that?

00:12:44.740 Because I don't hear that, I heard that right after the first shooting, and then I haven't heard anything about it since.

00:12:50.780 No, and no one's heard anything from the Department of Homeland Security.

00:12:54.880 This guy, Alejandro Mayorkas, has turned out to be the biggest empty suit I think I've ever seen in the federal government, right?

00:13:01.300 The military assets that should be afforded President Trump, and I understand, listen, okay, he's not the inaugurated president yet, totally irrelevant.

00:13:09.680 If something happens to President Trump, it has cataclysmic effects for the entire world, let alone the United States.

00:13:16.120 The military assets need to be turned on, and who can turn them on?

00:13:20.000 President Joe Biden, but he's not going to do that.

00:13:23.440 You cannot surround Trump Force One, which I know that's how he likes to refer to it, with school buses or dump trucks.

00:13:30.260 You need jets.

00:13:32.020 You need military jets, do you not?

00:13:35.040 That's exactly right.

00:13:36.220 There's military jets.

00:13:37.580 There's countermeasures that can be put on the aircraft.

00:13:39.780 There's classified programs that can be employed and are employed for the sitting president of the United States that are designed to make sure that somebody doesn't lob a missile at the direction of that plane or fly a drone into the protected airspace and so on and so forth.

00:13:56.640 And these assets are not being used because he's not the sitting president yet.

00:14:01.520 This is total nonsense.

00:14:02.980 They've left this guy wide open to something happening between now and the inauguration.

00:14:07.660 And are you worried that that's what you're really worried about is these next 40 days?

00:14:15.080 Well, it's the next 40 days, but it's also the next four years, right?

00:14:18.700 How can someone be a Secret Service agent and not go to work every day with the mindset, hey, I've got to stop the Muzadine from coming over the wall today.

00:14:28.620 I've got to be thinking about what is the biggest cataclysmic effect that can possibly happen and design my protective security net, my site to thwart that anything less than that.

00:14:40.540 And you're fooling yourself and you should not be a Secret Service agent.

00:14:43.720 So in the old days, that just wouldn't happen.

00:14:46.400 So I know that Donald Trump, he's a guy who grew up going to church with Norman Vincent Peale.

00:14:55.840 So he is a positive thinker.

00:14:58.360 He doesn't like to speak things like this.

00:15:00.440 And he has said to me, he said to the American people and he has said to me privately, I am very comfortable with the people who are around me, the Secret Service.

00:15:08.520 They're doing their job, blah, blah, blah.

00:15:11.280 And he won't talk about any of the security at all, ever, even privately.

00:15:17.520 In fact, I brought it up and I said, hey, I'm really concerned.

00:15:20.540 He said, I don't want to hear it.

00:15:21.500 I don't want to don't speak things into existence.

00:15:24.900 So he is I don't know where he actually stands on this, but he seems to be happy with it.

00:15:32.980 What is the one thing he who should he have in that could clean this thing up?

00:15:38.700 I keep thinking Dan Bongino, but Bongino's I don't think going to do it.

00:15:43.260 Who should he put in to clean this up?

00:15:46.320 Because it really needs to be cleaned up the entire Secret Service.

00:15:50.460 He needs somebody that has the one the ability to walk into a room and command the respect of the field.

00:15:58.480 Right.

00:15:58.980 This guy that's in there now certainly doesn't have that.

00:16:01.880 Right. And that became monumentally evident when that congressman during last week's hearing produced that photo of the acting director sitting behind President Biden at the September 11th events.

00:16:12.760 Right. That wasn't coincidence.

00:16:14.460 Somebody sent him that picture.

00:16:16.100 No, no, no.

00:16:16.780 You know where that picture came from?

00:16:18.640 You know where that picture came from?

00:16:20.380 The guy's wife.

00:16:22.120 She was taking she was taking photographs of all of that.

00:16:25.980 So she was the photographer on it.

00:16:28.280 And everybody had their taped position and his position was way behind.

00:16:34.300 Wasn't even close.

00:16:36.700 Yep.

00:16:37.360 No, that's exactly right.

00:16:38.420 And she's a Secret Service employee, by the way.

00:16:42.360 His wife.

00:16:43.320 I don't know if that's commonly known, but the guy should not have been there.

00:16:47.600 That was all about the optics of putting himself in the proverbial photo.

00:16:52.300 Right.

00:16:52.500 So put that aside.

00:16:53.560 So to answer your question, you need somebody that that will have the respect of the rank and file.

00:16:58.980 Somebody that's been there and has done these things.

00:17:01.620 Right.

00:17:02.080 You also need somebody.

00:17:03.420 And this is where it gets a little more difficult.

00:17:04.900 That has been out of the government, say, for a decade or so, that has the business acumen to be able to deal with an organization that has 7,000 employees.

00:17:14.960 We're pretty sure it's got 7,000.

00:17:16.860 No one can give me an exact number.

00:17:18.240 And a budget of three and a half billion dollars.

00:17:22.320 That is a huge number.

00:17:24.300 You need someone that can appreciate how big of a number that is.

00:17:28.240 And the current policy of the Secret Service continually promoting Secret Service agents that have backgrounds in sociology and science into positions where they're managing that kind of a budget, that doesn't work.

00:17:42.000 It's unacceptable.

00:17:43.660 The current director has asked for an additional $2 billion.

00:17:47.280 You need five and a half billion dollars to do this job?

00:17:50.480 You have one mission, and they can't get it done.

00:17:54.020 So ultimately, hey, the guys, listen, I've been asked who I would recommend.

00:17:57.880 I've given some names.

00:17:59.680 They've got them.

00:18:00.640 I've given a list of, hey, here's the things you need to do to get that agency back to where it was to achieve that level of greatness.

00:18:08.000 All this other stuff that they're – go ahead, sir.

00:18:10.120 No, no, no.

00:18:10.620 I don't mean to cut you off.

00:18:11.860 I have to hit a network break here.

00:18:14.240 Understood.

00:18:15.000 Let me just say this, Richard.

00:18:16.800 Would you do me a favor?

00:18:17.620 Would you stay in touch with us as you see the names being narrowed down and you see who is nominated?

00:18:24.200 Could you give us a heads up?

00:18:26.000 I'd love to have you back on.

00:18:27.900 And, of course, any time that you see, I'd love a list of what you think has to be done at the Secret Service.

00:18:34.060 I mean, I think one of the biggest problems with the Secret Service is their budget.

00:18:38.120 And what I mean by that is that's all they rely on.

00:18:41.340 It's almost as if they don't put their brains in gear.

00:18:45.180 They just are like, spend the money.

00:18:47.620 We've got the equipment.

00:18:49.080 Well, what about you?

00:18:51.000 What about you as an individual?

00:18:54.040 That's right.

00:18:54.660 There's no foresort or predictive way that they spend this money.

00:18:58.620 If this were the private sector, I would fire everyone in these positions.

00:19:01.440 Every single one of them.

00:19:02.880 One last question, Richard.

00:19:04.160 I'm not handling money.

00:19:05.100 One last question, and then I've got to run.

00:19:07.560 But can the president ever hire additional security outside if he wanted security?

00:19:14.860 Because I've said to him, you should get Gavin DeBecker.

00:19:17.940 Can he do that?

00:19:20.840 Is that allowed?

00:19:21.720 He can do that by statute back to 1901, right?

00:19:26.760 The Secret Service has to afford the president protection.

00:19:30.160 But there's nothing that says he can't hire his additional protection.

00:19:33.220 And the Secret Service is going to have to work with that, whether they like it or not.

00:19:37.040 Yeah, that would change everything.

00:19:38.360 That would get their butts in gear, I think.

00:19:42.100 But they need somebody to go in there and just fire people.

00:19:44.980 They do.

00:19:45.380 And I'd start with the leadership and let's redo it.

00:19:47.860 And I'd be more than happy to do that for them.

00:19:50.740 Are you throwing your name in?

00:19:53.680 You know, look, I've had this discussion with the president and with the Trump family before.

00:19:57.940 I said, I can come down there.

00:19:59.220 I will walk you through whoever you're most comfortable with making the director of the Secret Service.

00:20:03.700 I will clean house and get them back to where they need to be and get you started.

00:20:08.860 You'll have the most secure environment as possible.

00:20:11.560 And I'm certainly not going to.

00:20:12.780 My answer is not going to be, well, I've got to put you behind glass like you're working the counter.

00:20:16.620 Yeah, yeah.

00:20:16.960 White Castle.

00:20:17.720 I know.

00:20:18.000 That's ridiculous.

00:20:19.320 This isn't Venezuela.

00:20:21.340 Richard, thank you so much.

00:20:22.820 We'll talk again.

00:20:23.960 Thank you.

00:20:25.040 Richard Staropoli.

00:20:25.220 Look forward to it, sir.

00:20:26.100 Thank you.

00:20:26.580 You bet.

00:20:26.980 former U.S. Secret Service special agent and former Department of Homeland Security chief information officer.

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00:23:17.520 Yeah.

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00:26:31.260 Stu, I'd like to play a little game with you.

00:26:32.760 Okay.

00:26:33.200 Hey, because I've got three stories that scare the living poop right out of me.

00:26:37.360 Nicely put.

00:26:38.200 Well, when you hear them, just the headlines, you'll be like, ooh, I might have to wet myself.

00:26:44.380 But instead of being all doom and gloom, let's play a game.

00:26:48.060 Which one makes the poop come out of you?

00:26:52.140 What?

00:26:52.540 This is not a well-thought-out title.

00:26:56.640 I know it's, I know it's, I know it's, well, which one makes you want to poop your pants?

00:27:00.500 Okay, that's a little bit better.

00:27:02.060 All right, here you go.

00:27:02.700 The other one was disturbing.

00:27:04.400 Yeah, I know, I know.

00:27:05.220 Here's the first one.

00:27:07.340 The United States government has lost trillions of dollars, and they don't know what happened to them.

00:27:16.940 Oh, no.

00:27:17.800 Okay.

00:27:18.760 It happens to everybody.

00:27:19.740 Sure, like the White House can't find $6.2 billion sent to Ukraine.

00:27:24.580 Where did I put that $6.2 billion?

00:27:27.660 Or my favorite, the U.S. Treasury, which I believe is kind of like the accountant's office of the U.S.

00:27:35.520 Okay, yeah.

00:27:36.120 Right.

00:27:36.300 They're unable to track $5 trillion just from the pandemic spending.

00:27:42.260 Just the $5 trillion.

00:27:43.080 Just the $5 trillion.

00:27:44.060 Okay, so that's not $10 trillion.

00:27:45.660 No, it's not.

00:27:46.280 Not $80 trillion.

00:27:47.720 Okay.

00:27:48.220 So, headline number two.

00:27:51.480 Australian lab reports losing 323 deadly virus samples.

00:27:59.080 Just the 323, though.

00:28:02.760 A little poop.

00:28:03.080 A little poop.

00:28:03.460 A little pee.

00:28:04.120 Just a little bit.

00:28:04.620 I just wish we wouldn't.

00:28:06.000 And this one.

00:28:07.300 In a war against China, the U.S. runs out of missiles in a matter of weeks, according to the House committee.

00:28:15.860 Yeah.

00:28:16.460 Which one was that?

00:28:18.000 Wow.

00:28:18.220 Which one makes you go, wah, in your pants?

00:28:23.620 I have to say, I think the third one is...

00:28:27.060 China?

00:28:27.620 Yeah.

00:28:28.240 Yeah.

00:28:28.980 Although the disease one...

00:28:31.660 323.

00:28:33.020 Remember, you know, they're already talking about Pandemic X.

00:28:37.640 Oh, yeah.

00:28:38.420 Disease X.

00:28:39.520 Disease X.

00:28:41.340 Okay.

00:28:42.380 Calm down, kids.

00:28:44.540 You don't even know what it's going to be, but it's going to be bad.

00:28:46.760 We're calling it Disease X.

00:28:48.220 Get your mask on now.

00:28:49.580 This is the problem with how they handled COVID.

00:28:51.840 Yeah.

00:28:51.980 It's like, now no one is even going to believe a Disease X threat if it happens.

00:28:58.420 I actually am concerned about the pandemic stuff.

00:29:02.280 Like, we've talked about that for years, way before COVID, about how that's a legitimately huge risk.

00:29:07.480 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:29:08.160 Because we...

00:29:09.400 I got to tell you, if Fauci is pardoned by Joe Biden, why are you pardoned?

00:29:18.680 For future crimes?

00:29:21.320 For future crimes.

00:29:23.100 Biden...

00:29:23.400 Well, they're going to say...

00:29:24.400 I mean, their argument is that Trump is going to say he's going to come after him.

00:29:28.100 Wait a minute.

00:29:28.400 But wouldn't everyone...

00:29:30.180 He worked with Fauci.

00:29:32.180 I know.

00:29:32.420 It's a very strange...

00:29:33.980 He worked with Fauci.

00:29:35.140 The alliances are odd.

00:29:36.640 The...

00:29:37.080 All of the stuff that's coming out shows that Fauci knew and covered up.

00:29:42.220 Our government and China are both complicit.

00:29:46.620 Now, I don't know how deep, and I don't want to go into it.

00:29:50.020 Let's let a fair trial happen.

00:29:53.500 But they knew, and they covered up, and millions died.

00:29:58.180 I don't know.

00:29:59.440 I don't think there should be a pardon for that one.

00:30:01.980 I don't think there's any chance Donald Trump's going after Anthony Fauci if he's in office.

00:30:06.420 Do you...

00:30:06.680 I do.

00:30:07.220 Is that a...

00:30:07.740 You do?

00:30:08.340 I do.

00:30:08.880 I don't.

00:30:09.260 No, I...

00:30:10.580 There are too many people in Congress and in the Senate that have had it.

00:30:15.200 I mean, you think Rand Paul is...

00:30:17.180 Well, Rand Paul hates Anthony Fauci.

00:30:19.860 Yeah, for good reason.

00:30:20.800 I'm not saying it's not for good reason.

00:30:22.780 But, you know, Rand Paul was, like, let's say, very skeptical about the vaccine throughout

00:30:28.500 the development.

00:30:29.600 Uh-huh.

00:30:30.400 Donald Trump sees it as one of his great accomplishments in office.

00:30:35.360 Donald Trump was on stage with Anthony Fauci when the words,

00:30:38.940 15 days to slow the spread were said.

00:30:41.460 He also was...

00:30:43.040 Is the guy who just pointed RFK.

00:30:45.360 When RFK walks into his office and says...

00:30:47.460 That's true.

00:30:47.700 This has got to stop.

00:30:49.280 But when it comes to a criminal...

00:30:50.740 It's one thing, I think.

00:30:51.900 I know.

00:30:52.400 When it comes to a criminal investigation, you're opening up not only Fauci, but...

00:30:57.540 Everybody.

00:30:58.120 All sorts of people who worked with you...

00:31:00.540 I know.

00:31:00.680 ...who had the best of intentions.

00:31:02.340 Why do you think I'm worried about the Secret Service so much?

00:31:07.160 I mean, when he starts to go in...

00:31:10.060 I mean, think of the literal...

00:31:13.860 I just told you, where did we put that $5 trillion?

00:31:17.360 Think of the money that is involved in this.

00:31:21.300 Trillions of dollars throughout all of this.

00:31:24.280 How much of that is just in people's pockets that shouldn't be in people's pockets?

00:31:31.080 How many people have done things that they should not have done that are really, really bad?

00:31:37.260 You're dealing with the intelligence agencies, the FBI, the Department of Justice,

00:31:45.040 let alone the pharmaceutical companies, just plain old business people.

00:31:50.620 You've got a lot of very powerful people that are like,

00:31:55.720 wait a minute, okay, yes, I'm worried about, because my name is all over the Epstein book,

00:32:01.740 but wait, you're doing what else?

00:32:04.480 You're looking into what else?

00:32:06.500 I mean, it is a cesspool.

00:32:09.340 It's going to get dangerous.

00:32:10.780 It's going to get very, very, very, very dangerous.

00:32:12.440 It's going to be interesting.

00:32:13.000 I do think they will go after some of these people they've been talking about.

00:32:18.380 I don't know what the line is there.

00:32:20.620 Like, going after Cheney, for example.

00:32:25.220 I don't think he's going to go after Cheney.

00:32:26.120 I don't think he's going to do that.

00:32:27.520 I don't.

00:32:28.840 So, okay.

00:32:29.660 No, I don't think he's going after that.

00:32:30.820 Like, I'm trying to think of who's the example of the person.

00:32:33.180 Who's someone you think they will go after, outside of who he's spoken about already?

00:32:40.560 Like, someone you think is...

00:32:41.480 Yeah, so I can't tell you names of people.

00:32:43.400 I just think that when it comes down to it, like all of the people that were involved in, you know, Russia, Russia, Russia, that's just all going to come out.

00:32:54.880 Yeah, that stuff feels more likely to me than Fauci or Cheney.

00:32:59.060 Yeah, it's going to be an X-Files.

00:33:01.980 They'll just release all of these files of everything that's been overclassified.

00:33:07.320 And that stuff seems more likely to me than necessarily him using the Justice Department to, you know, go after crimes.

00:33:16.780 Right.

00:33:16.920 Like, I think if he finds crimes, I think he's going to go after them, which seems to be consistent with his statements.

00:33:22.760 Correct, but I don't think he's going to...

00:33:24.500 He's not going to target people in advance.

00:33:27.520 Yeah, I keep hearing that now.

00:33:29.160 There's no way.

00:33:29.980 I just don't believe it.

00:33:31.280 I've talked to him too many times.

00:33:33.240 He has said for months, I'll say, wow, what do you think about that?

00:33:38.280 You know what?

00:33:39.380 You know what our best revenge is?

00:33:42.400 Absolute and total success.

00:33:44.260 Yeah.

00:33:44.720 He said that just the other day in that interview.

00:33:46.340 I mean, it's consistent.

00:33:47.840 He is not doing that.

00:33:49.460 And the media is going with a lower and lower standard of truth with this.

00:33:54.000 I know, I know.

00:33:54.580 Like, it started out with, like, he's going to prosecute people he believes committed crimes.

00:34:01.340 Right.

00:34:01.520 Which is kind of what he said.

00:34:03.060 Right.

00:34:03.400 Right?

00:34:03.660 Like, he actually...

00:34:04.420 Now, not all people, as we saw with Hillary Clinton, he believes she committed crimes and didn't go after her.

00:34:09.640 But then it became he's going after his enemies.

00:34:12.640 Right.

00:34:13.020 Then it became he's going after his political enemies.

00:34:15.580 Then it became he was going...

00:34:17.580 He's going to go after his political opponents.

00:34:19.580 The latest one I heard was he's going after his critics.

00:34:22.880 His critics?

00:34:24.400 You want...

00:34:25.240 Have to round up...

00:34:26.100 48% of the country?

00:34:27.340 I was going to say.

00:34:28.020 Like, it's so insane.

00:34:28.860 You have to round up half the country.

00:34:29.860 Like, he's not going after just random critics.

00:34:32.980 I believe he's, you know, going to instruct, and he says he's not even going to instruct, but I think...

00:34:38.140 And I believe that, too.

00:34:38.800 I believe he'll have a layer of separation there.

00:34:41.120 But he's hiring people he believes will go after criminals.

00:34:45.140 He...

00:34:45.580 People he thinks committed crimes.

00:34:47.240 What?

00:34:47.420 And then there's, by the way, a justice system.

00:34:50.300 Yes.

00:34:51.240 Yes.

00:34:51.580 Right, Glenn?

00:34:52.100 Like, did I miss...

00:34:53.100 Did they get rid of that?

00:34:53.900 No.

00:34:54.380 Can he...

00:34:54.900 Can the president just say, well, you need to go in jail, and you need to go in jail?

00:34:57.960 No.

00:34:58.380 You'd have to go through a trial, and then there would be challenges and everything else against that.

00:35:04.880 And those trials would be in Washington, D.C.

00:35:08.040 Which probably wouldn't go all that well for whatever Republican wanted them to go well.

00:35:12.000 Correct.

00:35:12.940 So, all right.

00:35:13.580 So, let me just quickly go through these other...

00:35:16.540 Because I have something that I want to talk to you about that is so obvious, but so controversial.

00:35:26.420 And I've got to find time to squeeze it in, because there's something that is happening with both the Daniel Penny story and Luigi that has to be said.

00:35:37.800 And I haven't heard anybody connect these two and say what has to be said on that.

00:35:42.520 And so, I'm going to try to squeeze that in maybe next hour, but we've got a jam-packed show today that you just don't want to miss.

00:35:50.960 Let me go back over those other two stories.

00:35:54.940 The Australian lab losing that.

00:35:58.920 I don't know how you even lose them.

00:36:02.380 I mean, how?

00:36:05.340 We talked about the money thing.

00:36:07.100 That's something that I think that Doge is going to clean up and better.

00:36:13.540 The last one, in a war against China, the U.S. runs out of missiles in a matter of weeks.

00:36:19.120 I think, personally, that this is what Ukraine...

00:36:23.940 This is one of the things the Ukraine is about.

00:36:27.520 Depleting our missiles.

00:36:30.340 Depleting our ability to defend ourselves.

00:36:33.040 Depleting even that's...

00:36:35.380 They never refilled the strategic oil reserve.

00:36:38.200 That all has to still be done.

00:36:39.860 That's crazy.

00:36:41.060 It's crazy.

00:36:41.900 It's the lowest ever.

00:36:43.960 Now, we can't defend ourselves because we don't have...

00:36:47.760 You know, we don't have certain kinds of rockets and missiles and everything else.

00:36:51.480 It's nuts.

00:36:53.480 So, I personally believe that that is strategic to weaken us in the world.

00:37:00.260 However, it's also the military-industrial complex saying,

00:37:06.580 Great.

00:37:08.100 Go ahead.

00:37:09.100 You guys in BlackRock, you can rebuild Ukraine.

00:37:12.820 You can take their farmland in exchange, which they've all done.

00:37:16.540 And then we're going to have to restock at a much higher price

00:37:19.860 everything that we have to have for the U.S. military

00:37:24.580 because it's going to be clear we have to have these things.

00:37:27.620 Okay.

00:37:28.240 That's what I think is going on.

00:37:29.680 But let me take a more optimistic view of that.

00:37:36.740 Is it possible that there is someone who's saying,

00:37:41.380 Everything's got to go.

00:37:43.140 I've been telling you for a while,

00:37:44.420 aircraft carriers are the horses of World War I.

00:37:48.440 There were almost no horses left in Europe.

00:37:50.800 Did you know that?

00:37:52.260 Almost no horses left because they all went into battle.

00:37:55.740 And there were tanks and there were machine guns and there were things that nobody had ever seen.

00:38:00.740 And all of these horses died, left literally almost no horses in Europe after World War I.

00:38:07.480 I think that's the aircraft carrier in the next global war.

00:38:12.820 The next big war, those aircraft carriers are going to be swarmed by drones.

00:38:17.260 Everything that we have is outdated.

00:38:19.920 I'm wondering if part of this in a positive way is let's get rid of all of this stuff because we have to rebuild.

00:38:31.740 Now, I'd prefer we didn't do that.

00:38:33.660 I'd prefer that we were honest with the American people and we told the American people we have to completely retool.

00:38:40.880 Because if you're not transparent, then that leads to conspiracy theories and it also leads to very bad things.

00:38:50.860 But there is a possibility that that's what we're doing because the next war that is going to be fought is not going to be fought like anything we've ever seen before.

00:38:59.480 It's going to involve artificial intelligence.

00:39:02.500 It'll probably involve robotics, you know, actual on the ground robots and drones in the sky.

00:39:10.240 And it will it'll be terrifying.

00:39:13.160 It will be as shocking and as terrifying as World War I was because that was the time where we all of a sudden mechanized everything and nobody had ever seen that.

00:39:23.840 But this is going to be the one where it's mechanization with significant intelligence that will just overwhelm everything old.

00:39:33.920 All right.

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00:43:10.740 We have Alan Dershowitz coming up next.

00:43:13.340 I have a few things to talk to him about.

00:43:16.540 One is the Daniel Penny thing, found, you know, not guilty.

00:43:20.660 Thank God.

00:43:21.500 I know.

00:43:22.400 Thank God that happened.

00:43:24.420 I know.

00:43:24.660 That would have been really depressing.

00:43:26.020 But I also want to ask him about how do you pardon people for crimes that you haven't been charged with?

00:43:34.380 Yeah.

00:43:34.620 And then we have following him.

00:43:36.680 We have Mike Leon.

00:43:37.760 Why do we have this?

00:43:39.520 Make the case that this is the one power of a king we give to the president of the United States.

00:43:47.440 I don't think I like it.

00:43:49.320 I don't hear his case on this.

00:43:50.580 Well, it's never been abused like this.

00:43:52.600 Yeah.

00:43:53.000 You know?

00:43:53.420 Yeah.

00:43:53.620 I mean, and there is a case for it in the Federalist Papers.

00:43:55.840 I mean, it's somewhat convincing, but I don't know.

00:43:58.060 It is.

00:43:59.000 Yeah.

00:43:59.680 Makes me nervous.

00:44:00.600 That's coming up next.

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00:45:14.960 We have Alan Dershowitz coming up next.

00:45:18.680 I am.

00:45:19.760 He is the best guy to talk to about some of the things that are going on right now.

00:45:25.760 And we follow him with Mike Lee and his opinion on how do you pardon somebody who hasn't been charged.

00:45:55.760 Welcome to the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

00:46:20.860 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:46:24.120 Well, hello, America.

00:46:24.980 We've got a lot to discuss.

00:46:27.200 Mike Lee is going to be joining us about a half an hour from now.

00:46:29.860 I want to talk to him about the presidential pardons.

00:46:33.380 Why do we give this power of a king to the president?

00:46:37.000 There's some great arguments in the Federalist Papers.

00:46:40.800 But why do we have this?

00:46:44.160 Is it the right thing?

00:46:45.400 And how do you pardon somebody who hasn't been charged with anything?

00:46:50.220 We also have Alan Dershowitz on.

00:46:51.940 I'm going to ask him a little bit about that, but also about Daniel Penny and some of the other court cases that are going on.

00:46:59.720 How do we turn a corner back to sanity?

00:47:03.880 It feels like we've done that.

00:47:06.060 It feels to me like the, you know, scream race and, you know, you automatically go to jail.

00:47:13.700 It seems like that showed an ending of some sort with the Daniel Penny case.

00:47:18.880 But I also want to take some time this half hour or this hour, if I can squeeze it in.

00:47:25.040 I can't believe I'm going to say this.

00:47:27.060 To defend the leader of BLM of New York City and Taylor Lorenz.

00:47:35.260 Not defend them as people.

00:47:37.380 Not defend their ideas.

00:47:39.840 But I think it's the clearest example that we can give to each other and to the left of what freedom of speech actually means.

00:47:51.540 I'll explain.

00:47:52.480 Coming up, Alan Dershowitz next in 60 seconds.

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00:49:12.520 So probably, well, he's definitely the most famous lawyer of my lifetime.

00:49:18.460 And I think the most important lawyer in my lifetime, maybe in the last hundred years, Alan Dershowitz.

00:49:27.080 He's a Harvard Law School professor emeritus.

00:49:29.660 He is also the host of his podcast, The Dershow.

00:49:32.300 And we wanted to get him on to talk a little bit about Daniel Penney and a few other things.

00:49:38.300 Hello, Alan.

00:49:38.780 How are you?

00:49:40.120 Hi.

00:49:40.520 First of all, would you please send my very best to Senator Lee?

00:49:43.640 His father and I were co-clerks together 60 years ago in the Supreme Court.

00:49:48.760 And we had lunch together every day.

00:49:50.900 Why?

00:49:51.640 Because he was a Mormon and couldn't have coffee.

00:49:54.300 And I was an Orthodox Jew and couldn't have almost anything.

00:49:58.460 We had a separate table and we would schmooze and talk about everything.

00:50:04.220 And his father, you know, Rex, who was the Solicitor General, was a great, great man.

00:50:09.060 And I think Senator Lee is a great man, too.

00:50:12.400 And I hope he plays a major, major role in the coming administration.

00:50:15.580 I tell you, I hope he becomes a Supreme Court justice.

00:50:19.180 I think he truly cares about what the founders meant and about the Constitution.

00:50:27.420 I mean, everything he does, it's all based in the Constitution.

00:50:31.540 I will definitely pass it on.

00:50:33.320 And it's based on his father.

00:50:35.200 I can tell you that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

00:50:38.540 His father was an amazing constitutional scholar, the dean of Brigham Young Law School.

00:50:43.780 You know, the guy was, he would have been the greatest Supreme Court justice.

00:50:47.140 Unfortunately, he died very young.

00:50:50.360 So, Alan, first of all, how have you been?

00:50:52.620 I know that, you know, when you've, you said, I think you came out and said you couldn't vote for Joe Biden.

00:50:57.460 I know, I know things have gotten really ugly for you.

00:51:00.260 Have things gotten better at all for you?

00:51:04.360 Well, I'm in Florida now.

00:51:05.900 Everybody loves me in Florida.

00:51:07.240 As long as I'm not on Martha's Vineyard, I'm doing great.

00:51:10.020 But, you know, Manhattan is split.

00:51:12.580 Half the people come up to me and yell and scream at me, and half the people come up to me and tell me how much they admire me.

00:51:20.080 I wear a hat in New York saying, proud American Zionist.

00:51:25.500 And, you know, I get people talk to me about that as well.

00:51:30.820 So, you know, when people come up to me and say, I hate you, I never know.

00:51:34.580 Is it for Trump?

00:51:35.480 Is it for Israel?

00:51:36.660 Is it for who I represent?

00:51:38.260 I never know.

00:51:39.200 I just know they hate me, but I don't know why.

00:51:41.580 That's what happens when you're a controversial lawyer.

00:51:43.880 Yeah.

00:51:44.080 So, let's start with Daniel Penny.

00:51:48.040 Before you do that, I want to wait after I get off the air.

00:51:51.940 I want to hear you defend Black Lives Matter.

00:51:54.960 Because I don't know if you heard yesterday, the head of Black Lives Matter turned to Penny in the courtroom and said,

00:52:01.780 Hey, buddy, this is a small world.

00:52:05.460 And then he went outside and he talked about strangling people and being violent.

00:52:10.640 But I'm not such a big fan of Black Lives Matter.

00:52:15.260 So, I'm not a fan of, I can't defend what he said personally to Daniel Penny.

00:52:22.720 But when he said, what would happen?

00:52:26.660 You know, there's no justice, no peace.

00:52:29.300 What would happen?

00:52:30.700 Maybe we should start, you know, killing people every time they oppress us.

00:52:35.120 I believe that's constitutionally protected speech.

00:52:38.480 It is ugly.

00:52:39.620 It is awful.

00:52:41.300 But if, what is that test called?

00:52:45.360 The Brandenburg test.

00:52:46.460 Yeah, the Brandenburg test.

00:52:47.800 Yeah.

00:52:48.220 Yeah, no, look, I agree with you.

00:52:50.400 Okay.

00:52:50.660 If he said it in front of a crowd of people.

00:52:53.460 Yes.

00:52:53.880 That were surrounding white people.

00:52:57.180 Then it would be an incitement.

00:52:59.300 But if he said it in the abstract in an interview, it's just despicable and disgusting.

00:53:05.020 It reminds me of what Justice Brennan once said.

00:53:07.540 Justice Brennan, who wrote an opinion saying it's constitutionally protected to burn the

00:53:12.340 American flag.

00:53:13.400 Yes.

00:53:13.660 And he was asked, what would you do if you saw somebody burning an American flag?

00:53:18.360 And Justice Brennan, who was about five foot three tall, he said, I'd walk up to him and

00:53:23.520 I'd punch him in the mouth and then I'd defend his constitutional rights.

00:53:26.960 So that is, so let me ask you, because we've had a debate here before we went on the air

00:53:33.620 where I told Stu, I said, I think I'm going to use this as an example because people, they

00:53:39.900 always say, oh, you know, speech has limits and, you know, you can't cry, you know, fire

00:53:45.860 in a crowd.

00:53:46.380 Yes, you can, unless it leads to, you know, a stampede.

00:53:51.920 Or is likely.

00:53:52.860 Is likely.

00:53:53.460 Is likely to.

00:53:54.540 Right.

00:53:54.920 Doesn't have to lead, but it is likely to lead.

00:53:57.400 Right.

00:53:57.700 No, I think you're right.

00:53:58.680 And I think you're right also from a conservative point of view to be defending free speech for

00:54:03.620 all.

00:54:04.020 We can't live in a world in which it's free speech for me, but not for thee.

00:54:07.800 Exactly right.

00:54:08.360 I defended the right of Palestinian kids to put up a flag, a Palestinian flag to commemorate

00:54:14.100 the death of Yasser Arafat.

00:54:15.640 And then when they put up the flag, I defended them and I got them to be able to put up the

00:54:19.520 flag.

00:54:19.720 I hated that.

00:54:20.760 And then I got up there and I said, when Yasser Arafat died, it's too bad his death was

00:54:24.960 untimely.

00:54:25.620 If he had only died four years earlier, he might have had a resolution in the Middle East.

00:54:31.120 So I'm, I'm with you on a very expansive view of free speech.

00:54:35.340 Do you think, do you think we're moving it?

00:54:39.780 I sense a shift that maybe some of this craziness is that we're, we're waking up to it.

00:54:46.580 You feel that way?

00:54:47.720 I wish you were right.

00:54:49.080 I hope you're right.

00:54:49.940 Not on the left.

00:54:51.200 The left is so self-righteous.

00:54:53.980 They think that free speech, due process, the right to counsel was written for them.

00:54:59.120 And they have Professor Lawrence Tribe of Harvard Law School defending them.

00:55:02.360 Tribe believes the Constitution was written to promote the Democratic Party.

00:55:07.180 And every constitutional issue he's involved in, you know what his position is going to

00:55:12.380 be.

00:55:12.920 Is it good for the Democrats?

00:55:14.320 If it's good for the Democrats, if it's good for the left, if it's good for the radicals,

00:55:17.740 then the constitutional framers intended it.

00:55:20.700 And if it's bad for them, well, that's not what the Constitution is.

00:55:23.680 No, we can't have that approach to constitutional law.

00:55:26.300 So I don't think we're gaining any ground on university campuses, but I think we are gaining

00:55:32.360 ground in the general public.

00:55:33.820 And I think maybe the petty, the penny result shows that.

00:55:38.360 Yeah.

00:55:38.460 I think penny, I think the Chauvin case in Minneapolis might have been decided a little differently

00:55:45.660 today than it was years ago when he was convicted and still is in jail.

00:55:53.420 I was thrilled by the verdict in the penny case, and I think it sent a powerful message.

00:56:00.460 I also think that the hung jury, you know, I thought the hung jury first might have been

00:56:06.160 6-6, 5-7, you know, but obviously the quick verdict on Monday morning suggests that the

00:56:12.680 hung-ness on Friday was probably 10-2 or 11-1 in favor of acquittal.

00:56:18.420 And so I think that, look, that case never should have been brought, and the district

00:56:24.240 attorney should not be the district attorney.

00:56:26.820 He should be defeated.

00:56:27.900 He not only brought this case, he brought that made-up case against Donald Trump.

00:56:31.780 And now he wants to prevent Donald Trump from appealing by saying, well, we're going to

00:56:35.900 put the sentence off for four years.

00:56:37.720 We're going to hold the sword of Damocles over your head for four years.

00:56:40.680 Because I'm going to be able to campaign for office saying, I got a conviction against

00:56:44.760 Donald Trump, and he didn't get it reversed on appeal.

00:56:48.260 And I think it's disgusting.

00:56:50.580 He's the worst district attorney in my lifetime in New York history.

00:56:54.260 Remember, that's an office that had Thomas Dewey, that had Hogan, that had Morgenthau,

00:56:59.820 that had Syzance, and now it has Alvin Bragg.

00:57:02.900 Oh, my God.

00:57:04.020 What a disgrace.

00:57:04.820 So let me ask you, because we were talking about what he did on Friday and what the judge

00:57:09.060 allowed, you have to have, if you have a hung jury on the first count, you can't move to

00:57:16.660 the second count.

00:57:17.640 It's a hung jury, and you have to have a retrial, right?

00:57:20.380 It's a mistrial.

00:57:21.040 Unless the defense asks for a consent to it, which often happens, but it didn't happen in

00:57:27.600 this case.

00:57:28.960 And so he dismissed the higher count and allowed the jury to deliberate the jury.

00:57:34.820 Look, in the end, that was good for Penny, because there's no, you know, there's double

00:57:39.680 jeopardy now.

00:57:40.320 He can't be tried on either counts, because the first count was dismissed.

00:57:44.300 It wasn't hung, it was dismissed.

00:57:46.400 And that means it's jeopardy.

00:57:48.200 And the second, it was an acquittal.

00:57:49.740 So he's free.

00:57:50.960 There's a civil lawsuit against him, but he'll win that civil lawsuit.

00:57:55.400 It'll probably never get past the motion of dismiss, because the person bringing it

00:57:59.900 was a father who had nothing to do with the son.

00:58:03.820 He had no relationship with the son.

00:58:06.080 He became the father only after the killing in order to gain publicity from it.

00:58:10.380 So he has basically no standing.

00:58:13.140 Is that what you're saying?

00:58:13.640 I don't think he has real standing to bring the lawsuit.

00:58:16.600 And what's his damages?

00:58:18.440 You know, it's very hard to figure out what they are.

00:58:21.720 And moreover, the jury found that there was no causation in death.

00:58:26.540 There was no, there was justification.

00:58:29.240 So I don't think that lawyers interested in the money, or even the publicity at this

00:58:35.500 point, are going to want to bring that case forward.

00:58:38.440 I think it'll be dropped.

00:58:39.660 It's not like the OJ case, where clearly there was a strong civil case after he was acquitted,

00:58:44.780 and they won the civil case, although they never collected any money.

00:58:47.480 Let me ask you, let me switch to politics here.

00:58:51.680 There are things like, I believe Anthony Fauci should be investigated.

00:58:56.980 They've already investigated him in Congress, but it should go through a court of law.

00:59:01.020 And if he is found to have done the things that we now believe he did, there should be some

00:59:07.980 sort of penalty for him and anybody else that was involved.

00:59:11.660 I don't care, right, left, Republican, Democrat.

00:59:14.440 We cannot allow this kind of stuff to happen.

00:59:18.940 Now, Biden is, they suspect, and so we're just speculating here, that he may pardon him in

00:59:25.740 advance.

00:59:26.340 Is that even possible before you're charged?

00:59:30.720 Richard Nixon was pardoned in advance by Ford, not only before he was charged, but before

00:59:35.960 there was even any criminal investigation.

00:59:39.400 He was charged, he was pardoned, and the pardon power, as you said in your introduction, why

00:59:46.020 do we have a kingly pardon power?

00:59:48.380 It's the only remnant of the British rule over the United States.

00:59:53.240 There's nothing else in the Constitution which so emulates the absolute power of kings than

00:59:59.680 the power to pardon and commute.

01:00:02.080 It's without restrictions, and it's without the need to explain.

01:00:07.120 And by the way, you don't even need a document.

01:00:09.280 As soon as President Biden said, I pardon my son, that act was completed.

01:00:17.840 And by the way, you don't have to accept the pardon.

01:00:19.580 Even if you reject the pardon, and by the way, there are some people who have already

01:00:23.580 said that if Trump pardons me, or if Biden pardons me, I'm going to reject the pardon

01:00:29.100 because a pardon makes it sound like I did something wrong.

01:00:32.540 The Supreme Court under Oliver Wendell Holmes in about 1926 rendered a decision in a case

01:00:38.000 called Biddle versus Petrovich, which said you can't reject the pardon.

01:00:42.680 A pardon is an act of government.

01:00:45.080 It's like immunity.

01:00:46.460 If you're given immunity, you can't reject immunity.

01:00:49.020 You have to testify if you're given immunity.

01:00:51.700 And if you're given a pardon, you also have to testify.

01:00:53.820 So, you know, I think Biden made a big mistake by pardoning his son.

01:00:57.720 He should have commuted the sentence.

01:00:59.780 By pardoning the son, he opens the son up to being asked any questions at all about his

01:01:05.400 criminal background and about his association with anybody else, including his father.

01:01:09.360 Whereas if he gave only a commutation of the sentence, it would mean he doesn't go to jail

01:01:14.180 for a single day, but he can still invoke his Fifth Amendment privilege.

01:01:18.080 So I think it was a blunder on the part of President Biden, who was a lawyer, but didn't

01:01:23.540 understand the consequences of a pardon as distinguished from the consequences of a

01:01:28.620 commutation.

01:01:28.960 Do you think anybody's going to go after him, though?

01:01:31.680 I mean, because there's nothing politically to gain, but I think it's I think this is

01:01:35.820 extraordinarily important on principle.

01:01:38.100 We cannot have people selling the power of the office.

01:01:42.340 Look, I agree with you.

01:01:44.020 And it's been part of politics for a long, long time.

01:01:47.560 I have to tell you, I think Trump has a place in his heart, a warm spot in his heart for

01:01:52.560 the Biden family.

01:01:54.080 He showed some sympathy for Hunter Biden, for his addiction, for all of that.

01:01:59.900 I don't think he's going to try to pile on now, you know, whether or not congressional

01:02:05.000 committees call Biden and try to give him the choice of being held in contempt or perjury.

01:02:12.180 That's a different question.

01:02:13.960 But I don't think Trump's going to do it.

01:02:15.720 I think he's going to move on.

01:02:17.140 He wants to have a great four years.

01:02:19.180 I want to help him have a great four years.

01:02:21.240 You know, I'm not a Republican, but I'm a patriot.

01:02:24.320 I want to see every American president succeed.

01:02:26.940 I have helped every American president.

01:02:29.200 I've consulted and advised them since Jimmy Carter.

01:02:33.880 And I will continue to do it.

01:02:35.980 Any president asks for my help, done.

01:02:38.120 I'm giving it.

01:02:39.020 It's the way it should be.

01:02:40.160 Thank you so much, Alan.

01:02:41.440 I really appreciate your friendship.

01:02:43.640 And it's an honor to know you.

01:02:45.480 It really is to have you on the program.

01:02:46.860 Well, you're a great man.

01:02:47.880 And, you know, it's great to have a conservative who so believes in the Constitution and free speech.

01:02:55.280 And again, send my best to Senator Lee.

01:02:57.240 He's a great man.

01:02:58.120 I will.

01:02:58.500 Thanks.

01:02:59.100 Alan Dershowitz.

01:03:00.240 You can find him on The Dershow.

01:03:02.360 The website is Dershowitz.substack.com.

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01:04:27.260 Boy, he was pissed.

01:04:33.720 I have not heard Alan Dershowitz swear before.

01:04:37.760 I don't know if you noticed, because we don't know what it sounds like when we have to push the dump button, which we rarely ever have to do.

01:04:46.080 But he was fired up.

01:04:47.220 He was fired up.

01:04:48.220 What was he talking about?

01:04:50.440 Oh, how there's two sets of justice and the Democrats just keep piling on and having the Constitution play a role only when it benefits them.

01:05:03.720 It's so infuriating.

01:05:05.000 Yeah.

01:05:05.200 I mean, we always see that with the life argument where they're like, you know, we need to keep decisions on health care between a doctor and a patient.

01:05:15.440 Wait a minute.

01:05:16.500 What are you talking about?

01:05:18.520 This is completely inconsistent with everything you've pushed on us over the past.

01:05:22.640 I mean, if you were to argue the two biggest storylines coming from the left over the past, I don't know, decade or so, you'd have Obamacare and COVID.

01:05:31.320 Yeah.

01:05:31.500 And they were enforcing all of the health care decisions.

01:05:34.040 And then abortion.

01:05:35.000 And then abortion.

01:05:35.580 The three.

01:05:35.980 Right.

01:05:36.120 And they don't agree.

01:05:37.220 Right.

01:05:37.500 It doesn't make any sense.

01:05:38.400 It's crazy.

01:05:39.080 But I can understand getting fired up about that.

01:05:41.560 Yeah.

01:05:41.860 Because I think what Dershowitz, and like, you know, we don't agree with Alan, I think, on-

01:05:45.840 Oh, a lot of stuff.

01:05:46.400 A decent amount of stuff.

01:05:47.200 But like, what he wants is consistency and principled consistency.

01:05:53.460 And that's not, that shouldn't be too much to ask for.

01:05:55.960 In today's world, it is.

01:05:57.080 You know what's really shocking is my interview with Anna Kasparian.

01:06:01.120 Oh, yeah.

01:06:01.760 It's like-

01:06:02.500 From the Young Turks?

01:06:03.300 Yeah.

01:06:03.540 It's going, it's viral.

01:06:05.300 Gone really, really viral.

01:06:06.440 Yeah, I've seen a lot of coverage on it.

01:06:07.100 Yeah.

01:06:07.200 I have to write her a note and say sorry, because I know she's getting hammered on her side, and she's just trying to tell the truth as she sees it.

01:06:16.920 And we disagree with stuff, but it was a fascinating conversation, because we didn't just look for the things we agreed on, but we also, I think both of us knew, you know, if we go a step further, we're going to have a serious argument,

01:06:33.060 which we didn't necessarily need to have that first time we were meeting, but we did step into things where we really strongly disagree with each other, yet we could have a conversation.

01:06:45.040 And, you know, she was saying, we should be able to have this conversation.

01:06:49.540 I kept thinking this, you know, she's a lot younger than I am.

01:06:53.480 This is the way America used to be.

01:06:56.280 We could have these conversations with each other, and you didn't disavow family for it.

01:07:02.420 You disavowed family for actual legitimate reasons, you know?

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01:08:59.740 Senator Mike Lee joins us now.

01:09:02.260 Hello, Mike.

01:09:03.160 How are you?

01:09:04.520 Doing great.

01:09:05.460 Good to be with you as always, Glenn.

01:09:06.760 I have to tell you, we just got off the phone with Alan Dershowitz, and I was teasing that

01:09:11.500 you were coming up, you know, in a few minutes, and he said, wait, before we start, I just have

01:09:16.180 to please tell Mike Lee hello.

01:09:18.280 I'm going to send you a clip of it.

01:09:19.500 It was amazing.

01:09:20.800 Please tell Mike Lee hello.

01:09:22.620 I was a clerk with his father, and we had lunch, and he spoke so highly of your father

01:09:28.480 and of his principles, et cetera, et cetera.

01:09:32.000 And then it spiraled strangely into you.

01:09:35.260 And he was like, and Mike is, you know, the apple doesn't fall from the tree, fall far

01:09:39.100 from the tree.

01:09:39.660 And I'm like, you don't know, Mike, personally.

01:09:41.380 I do.

01:09:43.100 But he was so complimentary of you.

01:09:45.760 And we both talked about, hopefully, you will be a member on the Supreme Court someday.

01:09:50.660 It's pretty amazing.

01:09:52.380 Well, that's kind of what you just say.

01:09:54.900 Years ago, when I was clicking on the Supreme Court, I was looking and found a list of lock

01:10:00.420 works who served during October term, 1963, when my dad was a lock work to Justice White.

01:10:06.640 And I saw that another one of the lock works that year for a different justice was Alan Dershowitz.

01:10:12.580 And so I was pleased to discover that.

01:10:16.160 He said he said later when I met him, I asked him if he remembered my dad.

01:10:20.400 And he said, oh, yeah, we were great friends anyway.

01:10:22.740 Yeah.

01:10:22.900 He said he had lunch with your dad all the time because he couldn't drink coffee.

01:10:26.360 And he, as a Jew, couldn't eat anything else.

01:10:30.820 So they had lunch together all the time.

01:10:33.480 They were a good pair.

01:10:34.820 Yeah, they were.

01:10:35.520 They were.

01:10:36.360 Mike, I want to talk to you about all of these pardons.

01:10:41.360 First of all, as Dershowitz said, you know, it is the only kingly power we grant.

01:10:47.900 Has it always been used like it's being used now?

01:10:51.640 I mean, I remember the first time I heard about it really was with Nixon.

01:10:57.320 And then it was used for maybe, you know, a few pals, et cetera, et cetera.

01:11:03.200 But my gosh, now it's, you know, pardoning for future crimes.

01:11:06.880 And it's is this is this what it's supposed to be?

01:11:10.460 And why do we have it?

01:11:12.940 OK, so as to the reason why we have it, Alexander Hamilton provides one of the best explanations for that.

01:11:19.520 In Federalist paper number 74.

01:11:22.100 Sure.

01:11:22.460 Read it.

01:11:22.940 And he argues that it's it's an absolutely essential tool for mitigating what he called the cruelty of the law.

01:11:32.980 Remember that the federal prisoners, those who have been convicted of a federal offense, it's an executive authority that keeps them in prison.

01:11:42.620 It's the president's job to execute the law.

01:11:44.520 And so it operates as kind of a natural extension of the president's power to oversee that process.

01:11:54.380 But this one goes a step further and allows the president even to officiate the underlying conviction or in some cases through the clemency power, take the lesser included step of reducing a sentence.

01:12:05.120 The idea here is that even though it is subject to abuse, even though it can be abused and it has been abused at times in the past, as some would argue, it's nonetheless better to have it there.

01:12:19.560 Yeah.

01:12:20.080 As a backstop for abuses in the law and excesses in punishment, it's such that if we took it away, I think their problems would be greater.

01:12:30.780 Yeah, there is it's kind of the idea.

01:12:33.780 I'd rather have, you know, one bad guy go free or 10 bad guys go free than one good guy, you know, unjustly in prison.

01:12:43.160 And so I guess I kind of I can kind of see it from that point of view, because I think there there is some on, you know, injustice that happens from time to time.

01:12:52.960 Dershowitz said that in granting his son blanket immunity, he said he thinks that was a big mistake.

01:13:01.920 It opens his son up to testify on a lot of stuff.

01:13:05.480 Is that do you see it that way?

01:13:07.740 Yes, absolutely.

01:13:09.080 In fact, that was one of the first observations I made on X through my at face Mike Lee account right after this happened.

01:13:16.740 I pointed out that this makes it very easy for us now to issue a subpoena and hold hearings in the House and in the Senate in which we invite Hunter Biden to come and testify.

01:13:29.520 To tell us a lot of things, including things about his business operations and any business relationship he had with the big guy and have him name the big guy and identify him as such.

01:13:43.360 But he'll say he'll just take the fifth, right?

01:13:46.560 OK, so he takes the fifth.

01:13:48.060 But what happens when he pleads the fifth and then we can point out that you're immune because he's pardoned you prospectively, not just for the crimes of which he's been charged and convicted, but of any and all other crimes that might arise out of any of his conduct since 2014.

01:14:08.180 So when you say the fifth, you're like, who are you protecting besides your dad?

01:14:13.640 Right, right, exactly.

01:14:14.560 So what is it exactly you're protecting?

01:14:16.760 Because anything older than 2014 is almost certainly covered by the statute of limitations and anything since then, you're immune because you're pardoned prospectively.

01:14:29.680 And so you can't plead the fifth if you don't have any sort of credible basis for arguing that it could lead to your criminal liability.

01:14:38.320 So, Mike, I just don't think we're going to I don't think we're going to continue with the hearings on the Biden family.

01:14:44.240 I think we should only because it should at least be exposed and people know if the president had sold his office and sold the American people out, that should be known because there has to be at least some shame attached to it.

01:15:02.640 So we we we we don't do it again.

01:15:07.200 But are we really is anybody going to spend on any time on that?

01:15:11.620 Well, I think someone should, because as you say, we need at a minimum to know what happened, regardless of what comes of it.

01:15:20.480 We need to know for purposes of posterity, for purposes of knowing what to look out for in the future.

01:15:29.960 We need to have answers to that.

01:15:31.860 And so I strongly suspect that you'll have at least one committee in the House and at least one committee in the Senate that will hold hearings on this and do some investigating and hopefully subpoena under Biden to come and testify as a witness.

01:15:44.220 So I talked to Kash Patel, well, this is probably four or five months ago before he was, you know, before we it was before the assassination attempt.

01:15:52.220 So it was still a time where you're like, I don't know, it's going to be close.

01:15:55.400 And he wasn't jockeying for anything.

01:15:59.080 And we were just talking about, for instance, the Epstein case.

01:16:02.400 Where is that diary?

01:16:03.660 And he said it's with the head of the FBI.

01:16:05.920 And I said, it's got to it has to be released.

01:16:08.280 That's too much power for one person or a group of people to even have.

01:16:12.980 It should just be open.

01:16:14.440 And he said, well, I think the Justice Department and and the FBI should start declassifying a lot of stuff that shouldn't be declared shouldn't be classified.

01:16:27.280 And he said, well, you find the body that is buried.

01:16:30.080 You don't really need to do much because it's already been done, but then all classified.

01:16:35.000 So nobody can see it.

01:16:37.740 No, that's right.

01:16:38.680 And I was just with cash yesterday.

01:16:40.640 It was in my office.

01:16:41.420 We had great conversation.

01:16:42.340 I look forward to getting him confirmed.

01:16:43.740 Yeah, I love pointing out that one of many reasons why they do this sort of thing, they don't keep investigations open long after that there has ceased to be any meaningful possibility of moving on them just so that they can keep the files closed.

01:17:04.120 And this is the very kind of thing in government that makes people curious.

01:17:08.480 It's one of the reasons why you still have the JFK files that, you know, 60 years after the fact, remained a lot.

01:17:18.700 This is absurd.

01:17:20.040 The American people need and deserve to know what has gone on in their own government and what those files say.

01:17:26.180 I don't want to I don't want to get anything, you know, and invade your private conversation.

01:17:32.020 But tell me in the private conversation, do you think that he is is going to be going down that road?

01:17:37.780 Do you do you foresee that from from all of the people that Trump is putting into office?

01:17:43.980 I mean, we should know everything that you guys should know.

01:17:47.740 I think the American people should know what happened with Fauci and everything else.

01:17:52.100 You think we're going to release these investigations?

01:17:56.060 I think he's going to be doing a lot of declassification.

01:17:59.460 I don't want to speak for him.

01:18:00.820 Yeah.

01:18:01.920 But I do believe that he will declassify a lot of things.

01:18:06.620 I'll leave it up to him to decide how, when and what circumstances to do that.

01:18:12.000 But I know that his strong inclination is to declassify things that don't need to be classified anymore and that the American people have the right to move on.

01:18:21.660 So one of the many reasons why we need to get cash to tell confirmed.

01:18:24.740 What about Hagseth?

01:18:27.460 I also had Hagseth in my office last night.

01:18:30.700 I'm very optimistic there.

01:18:34.300 We're making huge progress.

01:18:36.240 And look, with with both of these guys, I have yet to hear any legitimate reason why we shouldn't confirm either one of them.

01:18:48.840 I believe that Pete Hagseth is somebody who is, at the end of the day, going to be our secretary of defense.

01:18:55.360 He is going to get confirmed.

01:18:56.720 And I don't know whether or how many Republican senators might, at the end of the day, vote against him.

01:19:04.940 But I think it's going to be a very small number.

01:19:06.980 And I think it's going to be small enough that, at a minimum, we'll get him confirmed, even if that means we have to bring in the vice president to break a tie.

01:19:14.100 But I think they will both get through.

01:19:16.660 And I think they should get through.

01:19:17.840 Remember, when a president gets elected, the president has a certain mandate, and there's a time-honored practice of deferring, in most instances, to the president's choices, particularly on very key positions, like secretary of defense, secretary of state, attorney general, and, yes, FBI director.

01:19:38.040 What about Tulsi and RFK?

01:19:43.120 Tulsi and RFK are going to get through as well.

01:19:46.160 But in each instance, you can find something that the leftist mainstream media and the uniparty fixtures in Washington will oppose.

01:20:01.020 But in each case, they're opposing these people because they oppose Trump and because they don't want daylight shed on the swamp.

01:20:10.100 They want the swamp's secrets kept as a secret.

01:20:14.460 So I'm running late, and I'm up against a break, Mike.

01:20:17.880 But let me just wrap it up with this.

01:20:20.000 We were talking earlier today.

01:20:22.140 If you release all of this information and you start going after deep, deep corruption, that is, like, movie-like dangerous.

01:20:34.140 You're going against some of the most powerful and richest and the intel community.

01:20:39.300 That's going to be really dangerous for people, isn't it?

01:20:45.440 Less dangerous than keeping these secrets.

01:20:48.240 Look, this is why we have elections.

01:20:50.260 This is why we have a constitution, so that the people remain in control of government and so that the people don't become pawns of the government.

01:20:58.580 Yes.

01:20:58.880 As if boasting, as the axe that wields itself against he who made it, it's going to put the people back in charge of their own government.

01:21:08.100 To do that, they need information on what's been happening in their government.

01:21:11.640 That's why we've got to get these people confirmed.

01:21:13.520 Yeah, good, good.

01:21:14.760 Mike, as always, great to talk to you.

01:21:17.380 Thank you so much.

01:21:17.900 Thanks so much, Brian.

01:21:18.540 You bet.

01:21:18.860 Bye-bye.

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01:26:00.520 And could we find the Ark of the Covenant?

01:26:04.440 Next.

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01:28:20.080 I think we have, though this is an hour I've been waiting a couple of months for, we have a guy who is the Foundation Director of International Affairs for the City of David.

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01:28:44.880 I don't know if they found the Nazi who, you know, has the head of the staff burned onto his hand.

01:28:50.120 I don't know if they found that yet.

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01:30:21.300 Zev Orenstein is with us from the City of David Foundation.

01:30:27.400 He's the Director of International Affairs, and we're going to talk a little bit about the archaeology of what's going on in the City of David.

01:30:35.500 How are you?

01:30:36.360 Great to be with you.

01:30:37.240 Yeah, good to have you here.

01:30:38.740 So how far out of the city wall is the City of David from – most people don't – they've never been there.

01:30:49.400 They don't realize how small all of Israel is, let alone Jerusalem.

01:30:55.300 So can you give us some scale first of what we're talking about?

01:30:58.060 So Israel itself is about the size of the okay state of New Jersey.

01:31:03.000 We have about 10 million people living in Israel.

01:31:07.940 Jerusalem is the largest city, probably about a million people living in Jerusalem.

01:31:12.660 So Jerusalem, by U.S. standards, is probably not the biggest city.

01:31:18.160 And yet, for billions of people, not millions, when they wake up in the morning,

01:31:22.440 they look to Jerusalem as a source of meaning, faith, hope, identity, inspiration.

01:31:26.440 I can tell you when my – I've said this a million times, and I don't know if people can even begin to understand this.

01:31:34.040 My wife and I went the first time.

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01:31:47.140 And I looked at my wife, and I said, it's like it's pulsing.

01:31:51.040 I said, can you feel the Temple Mount even here?

01:31:54.680 There's a reason.

01:31:55.700 It honestly is like the polar – the pole goes right through the Temple Mount, and the world actually revolves around that.

01:32:03.860 100%.

01:32:04.420 It's wild to feel it.

01:32:06.940 Now, if you ask the average Jewish person, Christian person, close your eyes and imagine biblical Jerusalem.

01:32:13.680 Tell me what you see, and you'll get answers like, I see the Western Wall.

01:32:17.580 I see maybe the Stations of the Cross, maybe the Church of Holy Sepulcher, the Garden Tomb.

01:32:21.960 I see the Old City of Jerusalem, and all wonderful, good places, except none of them, at least when we're talking about the original Hebrew Bible, none of those places are in the Bible.

01:32:31.040 When you think of the places where the kings of the Bible ruled, and the prophets of the Bible preached, you're talking about the City of David.

01:32:37.920 The City of David is today located just outside the walls of the Old City.

01:32:42.760 Now, most people think the walls of the Old City, those iconic walls, they must be thousands of years old.

01:32:47.720 They're only about 500 years old.

01:32:49.640 Now, only –

01:32:50.040 Wait, wait, the ancient walls around Jerusalem?

01:32:53.000 That's right.

01:32:53.940 500 years?

01:32:54.780 Built by Suleiman during the Ottoman period.

01:32:57.760 No idea.

01:32:58.880 Right?

01:32:59.280 Wow.

01:32:59.640 Now, most people will say 2,000, 3,000 years old.

01:33:02.240 Now, the walls of the Temple Mount, the Western Wall itself, the Southern Wall, the Southern Steps, all that's 2,000 years old, going back to the time of Jesus.

01:33:09.620 But the wall around the Old City of Jerusalem is only 500 years old.

01:33:12.800 Now, if you're sitting here in America, you're like, wow, 500 years is a long time ago.

01:33:16.820 Jerusalem, which is 4,000 years old, 500 years ago is like last week.

01:33:20.440 We don't get overly excited by anything 500 years old.

01:33:23.720 So, what happened?

01:33:25.060 We lost Jerusalem.

01:33:26.580 Everyone thought it was the Old City.

01:33:28.260 Until about 150 years ago, 1867, Queen Victoria of England, she wants to discover the treasures of the Bible.

01:33:34.220 Like the Ark of the Covenant, she sends a man by the name of Captain Charles Warren to the Holy Land to find those treasures.

01:33:39.340 He comes to Jerusalem.

01:33:40.220 He wants to excavate the Temple Mount, where the Temple of Solomon stood, the biblical Mount Moriah.

01:33:45.360 Except in 1867, the Ottomans, the Muslims are there.

01:33:48.180 And they say, Charles, we're sure you're a great guy.

01:33:50.560 No.

01:33:51.140 But you're not digging up the Temple Mount.

01:33:52.480 To this day, due to religious sensitivities, political sensitivities, the Temple Mount has had almost no archaeological activity.

01:33:59.780 So, now –

01:34:00.240 Wait, wait, wait.

01:34:00.960 Let me clarify this.

01:34:03.320 They have – Muslims, if I'm not mistaken, have been digging.

01:34:07.300 That's not archaeology.

01:34:08.100 Right, they've been digging it and putting it into dump trucks and dumping it.

01:34:12.360 Yeah, they've been destroying.

01:34:13.320 Right.

01:34:13.540 But meaning, in terms of archaeology, with the goal of uncovering the heritage and history of Jerusalem, uncovering the biblical heritage of Jerusalem, that hasn't taken place.

01:34:22.080 The opposite, what the Islamic walk for the religious trust on the Temple Mount, what they've done, is the opposite of archaeology, with the goal of not uncovering and celebrating the heritage of Jerusalem, but actually destroying it.

01:34:34.180 And there's actual archaeologists that sift through all of the stuff.

01:34:38.100 To this day, you have archaeologists and volunteers who are able to go and sift through the hundreds and hundreds of truckloads of earth that were removed from the Temple Mount by the Islamic Religious Trust in the late 1990s, dumped in garbage dumps.

01:34:52.400 And when you're sifting through this earth, you will find, next to 2,000-year-old coins, potato chip wrappers, Coke cans.

01:34:59.620 Why?

01:34:59.960 Oh, my God.

01:35:00.340 Because it's all jumbled together now.

01:35:03.020 They have no—

01:35:05.220 What did they do?

01:35:06.480 I mean, we have no idea what—

01:35:07.940 So the pretense was they wanted to build an emergency exit on the Temple Mount.

01:35:13.280 There is a very large subterranean mosque known as the Marwani Mosque beneath the Temple Mount, beneath the area known as Solomon's Stables.

01:35:20.940 One of the most beautiful parts of—

01:35:23.000 Underneath that?

01:35:23.900 Underneath that, the southern end of the Temple Mount.

01:35:25.760 Wow.

01:35:26.020 They hollowed it out, and they built this subterranean mosque.

01:35:30.100 And then they said, well, now we have this mosque there.

01:35:31.800 We need to build an emergency exit.

01:35:34.380 And they used the legitimacy of building an emergency exit to bring in bulldozers and dump trucks and massive machinery.

01:35:40.840 One of the most famous Israeli archaeologists, he said, if you use a toothbrush on the Temple Mount, that's probably heavy machinery.

01:35:47.380 They used bulldozers and dump trucks.

01:35:49.780 And they took tons and tons and tons of earth and just threw it in the garbage dump.

01:35:53.820 And they said, why?

01:35:55.120 And the answer is very simple.

01:35:56.920 What they are trying to hide is that the Jewish people, and by extension Christians, have been in Jerusalem for thousands of years.

01:36:03.680 And so, if they can destroy that history, destroy that heritage, well, then they could go along with their claims that Israel's an occupying, colonizing power that has no history and no heritage in the land of Israel or in Jerusalem.

01:36:13.860 They are seeking to rewrite history, to erase the Judeo-Christian heritage from Jerusalem.

01:36:19.200 In fact, the United Nations passed a resolution a couple of years ago saying that the Temple Mount and Western Wall are exclusively Islamic holy places.

01:36:28.320 What?

01:36:28.680 And they go on to say and condemn all the archaeological excavations in Jerusalem.

01:36:33.520 They might say, how on earth could anyone say such a thing, that Jews and Christians have no heritage in Jerusalem?

01:36:39.280 Condemn the archaeology?

01:36:40.320 Why would they say that?

01:36:41.140 But the answer is very simple.

01:36:42.560 If the story that you want to tell about Jerusalem is an exclusively Islamic story, then you will hate a place like the City of David, one of the most archaeologically excavated sites in the world, because every single day, we're unearthing antiquities, fancy word for old stuff, that show, not simply as a matter of faith, but as a matter of fact, that Jerusalem's biblical heritage is true.

01:37:02.660 That the connection that the connection that Jews and Christians have with Jerusalem, the foundations that the United States of America, that the Judeo-Christian heritage that it's built upon, comes from Jerusalem, that it's real.

01:37:12.740 And that is a nightmare to them.

01:37:14.600 So, last time you were on, I think we talked about the Pool of Bethesda, and this is where Jesus healed the man who had been, you know, waiting for a miracle at the pool.

01:37:25.540 Right, the Pool of Siloam at the southern end of the City of David, right, which up until 2004 was totally covered up.

01:37:32.660 And then in 2004...

01:37:33.540 Did we even know that that's kind of where it was?

01:37:36.540 We know 100% that's where it is today.

01:37:38.220 No, no, no, no, then, when we started the archaeological dig, we didn't know.

01:37:42.280 So, they say hindsight is 20-20.

01:37:44.620 And obviously now everyone's like, well, of course we knew that's where it was.

01:37:47.400 But back then, 2004, it's all covered up.

01:37:50.980 There's a road above it, there's a sewage pipe below, and only because of a busted sewage pipe.

01:37:56.420 We have a teaching in our faith that says God has many miracles.

01:37:58.620 The reason we found one of the most significant biblical heritage sites in all of Jerusalem, the Pool of Siloam, with deep significance to Christians and Jews alike, was because of a busted sewage pipe.

01:38:07.860 And that, of course, leads then to another discovery, because the Pool of Siloam was the place where, before going up to the temple on Passover, Pentecost, tabernacles, the pilgrimage festivals, you had to cleanse yourself.

01:38:19.160 You had to wash, cleanse, bathe.

01:38:20.780 In the Christian scriptures, the story of the healing of the blind man, also Pool of Siloam.

01:38:24.240 And so, the archaeologists said, well, if we know where the pool is, at the southern end of the city of David, the place where Jerusalem began, how did the millions of pilgrims get from the pool all the way up to the temple on the Temple Mount?

01:38:35.240 They widen the excavation, and they end up discovering what's known as the pilgrimage road, the road that our ancestors, yours and mine, Jews and Christians alike, would have walked on 2,000 years ago when they went on pilgrimage up to the temple on the Temple Mount.

01:38:48.280 So, it goes, that road would go right directly from that pool.

01:38:51.720 That's right.

01:38:52.300 Right to the temple.

01:38:53.640 The temple.

01:38:54.240 I call it the biblical superhighway.

01:38:56.180 Anywhere you wanted to go in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago, that road would take you there.

01:39:00.200 And I've been asked many, many times, what are the chances Jesus walked on that road?

01:39:04.720 Had to be 100%.

01:39:06.340 Yeah, so I tell people, I say, look, conservatively speaking, you're talking about 100%.

01:39:12.000 I say, well, how do you know?

01:39:13.800 Well, the answer is really very simple.

01:39:14.960 If you believe that there was a historic Jesus 2,000 years ago in Jerusalem, well, he was Jewish.

01:39:20.800 He went with all the Jews down to cleanse at the Pool of Siloam, the southern end of the city of David.

01:39:24.480 He would have then walked up from the pool along the pilgrimage road, along the half-mile journey up to the temple on the Temple Mount.

01:39:31.060 The Pool of Siloam that we're excavating as we speak in the city of David today is 100% the same Pool of Siloam from 2,000 years ago at the time of Jesus.

01:39:37.420 The pilgrimage road that archaeologists from the Israel Antiquities Authority are excavating as we speak today, 100% the same pilgrimage road, same Temple Mount, same city of David, not simply a matter of faith, but a matter of fact.

01:39:48.280 It's real.

01:39:48.940 You could see it.

01:39:49.700 You could touch it.

01:39:50.600 You could walk on it.

01:39:51.980 It is the most significant half-mile on the planet.

01:39:54.280 There is no half-mile.

01:39:55.500 That means more to more people anywhere in the world than the city of David.

01:39:59.320 So when it comes to the temple, does it come to Solomon's Stairs?

01:40:05.500 And it's got to be below.

01:40:07.480 I mean, you excavate it.

01:40:08.500 How deep down did you have to dig to find the road?

01:40:12.380 So the pilgrimage road itself runs up the length of the city of David.

01:40:17.800 It comes out at the southwestern corner of the Temple Mount.

01:40:21.620 So now what happens is it then splits off.

01:40:23.420 When it gets to the southwestern corner, there is one branch that goes off to the east,

01:40:27.080 which comes out by the southern steppes, again, another site with deep significance for Jews and Christians alike.

01:40:32.680 And then the other part, when it gets to the southwest corner, keeps going north along the western wall.

01:40:38.540 And that became the main thoroughfare.

01:40:40.340 In fact, when a person stands at the southwest corner of the Temple Mount,

01:40:43.560 you could see the remnants of a massive staircase that would have taken the pilgrims up into the temple.

01:40:49.120 It's still there.

01:40:49.640 You could see the remnants of that staircase.

01:40:51.720 So this was the main thoroughfare where everyone is gathering.

01:40:54.920 Now, today, the pilgrimage road, or the vast majority of it, is about 60 feet underground.

01:41:01.340 Now, if this was the United States, what would happen?

01:41:03.820 You know, if you go to Gettysburg today, how many people are buried on the battlefield?

01:41:06.920 How many people live today on the battlefield of Gettysburg?

01:41:09.720 Nobody, right?

01:41:10.660 It's one of the most significant American heritage sites.

01:41:13.040 So in Jerusalem, you would say, well, city of David, it's significant, not just for millions,

01:41:17.620 but billions of people around the world.

01:41:19.260 What should we do?

01:41:20.220 Two words, eminent domain.

01:41:22.200 Except in this part of Jerusalem, we don't do that.

01:41:24.220 And so the challenge is, how do you, on the one hand, respect the modern-day city of David

01:41:28.440 and the people who live there today, and at the same time uncover all the heritage with

01:41:32.220 significance to billions of people around the world and give access to all those who

01:41:36.820 want to see it themselves?

01:41:38.200 And the answer is with a lot of sensitivity.

01:41:41.100 That's why the city of David is only 11 acres in size.

01:41:44.260 We've only excavated one-third of the site to date over the last 150 years.

01:41:48.440 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:41:49.120 So it's mainly with buildings and roads and everything above it?

01:41:53.060 Above it, right?

01:41:54.400 Holy cow.

01:41:55.440 And so you're literally trying to have the best of both worlds.

01:41:57.700 Respect the modern, uncover the ancient.

01:42:00.520 And that's why so much of the work has to be done with the utmost sensitivity and at the

01:42:06.700 highest of standards, because you can't afford any mistakes.

01:42:09.300 You can't afford for some-

01:42:10.220 You're not getting Elon Musk with his boring machine.

01:42:12.900 No.

01:42:13.740 Everything has to be, you're talking about small tools, lots of engineering to support everything

01:42:18.400 that's up above.

01:42:19.600 But I had the privilege of hosting members of the Navy SEALs along the pilgrimage road.

01:42:25.660 And they were based out of Coronado on the West Coast.

01:42:28.100 And they said, well, how does all this get covered up?

01:42:30.860 So I said, well, you know, it's really simple.

01:42:32.800 You know, you have one time period.

01:42:34.940 Someone comes in and conquers it.

01:42:36.360 They build on top of it.

01:42:37.500 Another one conquers them, builds on top of that.

01:42:39.140 Throw some earthquakes in there.

01:42:40.540 And you kind of get all these layers.

01:42:41.940 And I said, well, you know, just to bring it closer to home.

01:42:44.380 I said, well, you guys are out there in California.

01:42:46.420 I said, if you dug down beneath your homes, you'd probably find that once upon a time,

01:42:49.680 there were some Native Americans living there.

01:42:51.760 If you kept digging, you might find that once upon a time, there were some Republicans

01:42:54.380 living there.

01:42:58.260 I doubt that.

01:42:59.220 I doubt that.

01:42:59.840 I don't think you'll ever find that evidence.

01:43:01.660 It's Seattle.

01:43:02.400 Seattle has a Seattle underground.

01:43:04.180 Right?

01:43:04.600 Yeah.

01:43:05.240 So it's built on top of it.

01:43:06.380 So in ancient times, it was under the sky.

01:43:07.980 But today, we have to take into account that there is a modern-day neighborhood.

01:43:12.800 And so the neighborhood is preserved, but we are uncovering that heritage.

01:43:17.740 So I want to go into some of the things that you have found that are possible.

01:43:22.700 I was just talking to somebody who did a documentary on the Ark of the Covenant.

01:43:26.680 And one of the places that he said it might be is right in that area where you're digging.

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01:44:54.300 So before we, before we move on to some of the stuff that you found, when I was over

01:45:11.220 in Israel, Israel, I talked to the, so many rabbis, one of them is the chief rabbi of all

01:45:20.160 the holy places.

01:45:21.180 So he has to protect all the Islamic holy places, Christian holy places, and they're

01:45:26.680 all the same to him.

01:45:28.340 Protect, protect, protect.

01:45:31.100 And a lot of what I saw or wanted to see is in Palestinian hands.

01:45:39.620 And I never saw Bethlehem because when I went, they were like, no, I remember them tapping

01:45:46.180 on the glass of the window because I said, just go, let's go.

01:45:49.020 And the guard was tapping on the glass of the window.

01:45:52.100 And I said, what is he saying?

01:45:53.200 He said, it's not bulletproof glass.

01:45:54.600 And I said, let's turn around.

01:45:56.240 But, you know, the garden tomb, whether that's the real tomb or not, but what might have been

01:46:04.520 the place of his crucifixion is also in that territory.

01:46:09.480 What you're talking about is in Palestinian territory.

01:46:13.400 No, it's not.

01:46:14.480 It is in Jerusalem.

01:46:15.920 I mean, it's in Israeli hands.

01:46:17.880 So when you take Bethlehem, in the early 2000s, you had a bunch of Palestinian terrorists who

01:46:24.740 they were carrying out, terror attacks against Israel, against Jews.

01:46:29.260 And when Israel went to defend and fight back, where did these terrorists go?

01:46:33.740 They took over the church in the nativity, knowing what?

01:46:36.640 That Israel would not go after them there.

01:46:38.860 And so they-

01:46:40.020 Really?

01:46:40.440 Yeah.

01:46:40.560 So that is actually in your hands?

01:46:42.280 No.

01:46:42.780 No.

01:46:43.000 It was in their hands, in Bethlehem.

01:46:44.880 Yeah.

01:46:45.140 And so they used the church in the nativity as a place to shelter from Israel, because

01:46:50.800 they knew Israel would not go into the church in the nativity and-

01:46:53.520 Correct.

01:46:53.700 And so the fact that as a Christian, you really have a lot of difficulty going to a place like

01:47:01.020 Bethlehem, like the church in the nativity, it's tragic.

01:47:03.560 The fact that today, when you visit Israel, when you visit Jerusalem, capital of the state

01:47:08.400 of Israel, the fact that you can go, whether it's the church of the Holy Sepulchre, the

01:47:11.700 Garden Tomb, to the Garden of Gethsemane, the Mount of Olives, the City of David, the stations

01:47:16.200 of the cross, the fact that you could visit all those places is almost miraculous.

01:47:22.400 And why do I say that?

01:47:23.740 Because in the Middle East, values like freedom of religion, freedom of worship, freedom of

01:47:28.000 access are virtually non-existent.

01:47:30.040 When Jordan illegally occupied Jerusalem from 1948 to 1967, they blew up synagogues and churches,

01:47:36.360 no access to the Western Wall.

01:47:38.020 The fact that today you can get in a plane and come to Jerusalem and visit the places in

01:47:42.560 Jerusalem that matter most to you is for one reason and one reason only, that it's Israel.

01:47:48.880 The fact that whatever your faith is, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, that you can come to Jerusalem

01:47:54.520 and go to the holy places, the sites that matter most to you, is because Israel guarantees

01:48:00.400 that ability, that freedom.

01:48:02.260 I went into the room that they say is the room of the Last Supper, and Israel again protects

01:48:08.480 it, and the Muslims at one point came in and made it a Muslim shrine.

01:48:15.280 And the thing I actually appreciated was when Israel took over care of it, they didn't erase

01:48:21.780 that.

01:48:22.180 So you see the Jewish, the Christian, and the Muslim, it's all there left as it was, which

01:48:29.660 I, for one, appreciate.

01:48:31.040 Yeah.

01:48:31.220 You know, you have, let's say, in the City of David, there's one excavation in particular.

01:48:34.740 It's called the Givati parking lot excavation.

01:48:37.300 Why would you name an excavation after a parking lot?

01:48:39.680 Because about 10, 15 years ago, there was a parking lot there, and we wanted to build

01:48:43.660 something on top of that parking lot.

01:48:45.220 The Israel Antiquities Authority, they come in and say, well, hold on, before you build

01:48:48.500 anything, we need to make sure there's nothing beneath the parking lot.

01:48:51.060 They come with ground-penetrating radar, and they say there are more than 10 layers of ancient

01:48:54.860 Jerusalem civilization located beneath your feet.

01:48:58.320 And so when a person visits that excavation, they see, going back nearly 3,000 years, until modern

01:49:03.660 times, all the layers.

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01:50:28.780 So we've been spending some time with Zev Orenstein.

01:50:57.160 He is the City of David Foundation Director of International Affairs, and he's doing the

01:51:05.980 working with the archaeological dig in the City of David, and they are finding all kinds

01:51:13.240 of evidence that proves the truth of the Bible.

01:51:16.500 I want to get to the Ark of the Covenant, but what other things have you found of significance?

01:51:24.320 You know, for many people, the Bible's a book of faith.

01:51:28.080 You believe or you don't believe.

01:51:29.540 Right.

01:51:29.740 Yet many people today, especially younger people, say, well, are the people who march through

01:51:33.880 the pages of the Bible, were they real people?

01:51:36.140 Are the events recounted in the Bible real events?

01:51:38.040 Yeah.

01:51:38.240 And the discoveries being made allow a person not only to believe, but to know.

01:51:42.120 And let's just throw out some big names.

01:51:44.200 Until 1993, had you said, I'm going to visit the City of David.

01:51:48.940 There's a whole group of scholars known as the Copenhagen School.

01:51:51.260 They would say, David, you mean King David from the Bible?

01:51:54.440 Well, yeah, obviously.

01:51:55.700 Well, you know, they would say, historically speaking, there was no such person.

01:51:58.760 What are you talking about?

01:51:59.960 1993?

01:52:00.880 1993.

01:52:01.660 No such person.

01:52:02.520 Well, what do you mean?

01:52:03.300 There's no one mentioned, at least in the Hebrew Bible, more times than King David.

01:52:06.640 He's number one.

01:52:07.720 And they would say, look, you may believe that the Bible is the literal word of God,

01:52:10.400 and we mean no disrespect, but the Bible is not a history book.

01:52:13.300 It's not a scientific or academic text.

01:52:15.580 Prove to us, not using the Bible, that there was a historic David some 3,000 years ago.

01:52:20.380 And prior to 1993, you could not do that until an excavation in Israel's north, in a place

01:52:26.120 called Tel Dan, right along Israel's northern border near Syria.

01:52:29.780 And they find a stone slab, an inscription, dating to about 100 years after David would

01:52:37.160 have lived.

01:52:37.920 And it's attributed to a man named King Hazael of Aram.

01:52:40.800 Aram is modern-day Syria.

01:52:42.160 And this King Hazael, who's mentioned in 2 Kings, was in a good mood.

01:52:46.240 Why?

01:52:46.800 The inscription tells us that he had just won a major military victory.

01:52:50.860 Over who?

01:52:51.920 Over a king from the house of David.

01:52:55.120 And if there's a house of David, what does that mean?

01:52:57.460 There's a David.

01:52:57.940 There's a David.

01:52:58.460 David, so today virtually everyone agrees that there is, in fact, a historic David.

01:53:03.960 And I remember one time I was with a group of academics, people who are not big on the

01:53:06.920 Bible, and one of them interjects and says, well, you know, that just means, okay, there

01:53:11.580 was some David, but he was like a small-time figure.

01:53:13.500 He wasn't the regional power that the Bible makes him out to be.

01:53:17.360 And I said, well, you know, it's interesting because, you know, that's the debate in archaeological

01:53:21.600 circles today.

01:53:22.600 And there's evidence this way that, in fact, shows that his kingdom was pretty big.

01:53:26.680 But I said, tell me something.

01:53:27.520 I said, 30 years ago, what was the debate surrounding David?

01:53:31.460 It was whether or not he ever existed.

01:53:33.480 Today, what are we debating?

01:53:34.780 How big his kingdom was?

01:53:36.220 Every single day, we're finding more and more affirmation of Jerusalem's biblical heritage

01:53:41.580 being true.

01:53:42.360 I'll throw out two other names.

01:53:44.080 If we're talking David, let's go to David's great-great-great-great-grandson, a man named

01:53:48.920 Hezekiah, the biblical king Hezekiah, one of the most famous righteous kings of the Bible,

01:53:53.740 2,700 years ago.

01:53:55.840 And back probably, I think it was about 2015, archaeologists find a small clay seal with

01:54:02.700 Hebrew writing.

01:54:04.000 And there's a name on this seal.

01:54:05.280 And in Hebrew, it says, Hezekiah, son of Ahaz, king of Judah.

01:54:09.360 The biblical king Hezekiah, direct descendant of King David.

01:54:12.580 Next to that seal, the archaeologist finds another one, small seal, two words.

01:54:18.200 In ancient Hebrew, the first is a name, the second is a title.

01:54:21.260 The name is Isaiah.

01:54:22.480 The title is prophet.

01:54:24.520 So you have one of the most Bible's famous prophets next to one of the most famous kings.

01:54:29.780 Not simply a matter of faith, but a matter of fact.

01:54:31.960 And we find ancient coins written in Hebrew script that would have been brought up to the

01:54:36.040 temple to pay for the temple tax.

01:54:37.760 We find inscriptions affirming biblical events like the Siloam inscription, when it talks about

01:54:42.700 how the Assyrian Empire was trying to conquer Jerusalem 2,700 years ago, and how King Hezekiah,

01:54:49.880 through his efforts, manages to help save the city with some help from God.

01:54:54.060 And so it literally just goes on and on.

01:54:57.760 So where you are digging now, I talked to somebody that was doing a documentary, and they said there's

01:55:03.720 three places the Ark of the Covenant could be.

01:55:06.560 One is Ethiopia.

01:55:09.380 That's right.

01:55:09.580 I think the other one is in Saudi Arabia.

01:55:11.840 And the other one is where you're digging.

01:55:15.720 What is the thought on the Ark of the Covenant?

01:55:18.660 Here's what I could tell you that the Bible says.

01:55:21.260 2 Chronicles 35.

01:55:23.340 King Josiah is ruling in Jerusalem.

01:55:25.380 And this is, you know, not that long after the Assyrian Empire nearly conquers Jerusalem.

01:55:32.460 They're the ones who exile the kingdom of Israel, the ten lost tribes.

01:55:36.180 They're gone.

01:55:37.000 They conquer almost the entirety of the kingdom of Judah during the time of King Hezekiah.

01:55:42.280 Jerusalem almost falls.

01:55:43.920 By the act of God, there's a miracle, and Jerusalem is spared.

01:55:47.740 And Josiah comes along and says, you know what?

01:55:49.300 We can't have our future plan be based off of miracles.

01:55:53.940 We almost lost the Ark of the Covenant.

01:55:56.100 We need to make sure that never happens again.

01:55:59.380 And so, in 2 Chronicles 35, he calls upon the Levites to carry the Ark, it says, one last time.

01:56:05.940 And what's believed is that the Ark was then put into hiding.

01:56:10.480 And there are all sorts of passages and subterranean tunnels and caverns beneath the Temple Mount,

01:56:15.320 some of them even in the City of David, where the Ark of the Covenant could have been secreted away

01:56:21.740 to be, you know, brought out at some point in the future.

01:56:25.420 Do I personally think it's in Egypt or Saudi Arabia or Ethiopia?

01:56:30.160 No, I actually think it's in Jerusalem.

01:56:32.260 And I was asked once, I was giving a tour.

01:56:33.780 Wait, if it's under the Temple, boy, that's trouble.

01:56:37.060 Well, I mean, it's trouble, and maybe it's—

01:56:39.200 Maybe God will protect.

01:56:40.280 I mean, God would protect.

01:56:41.220 I saw the documentary, you saw that documentary, where they opened it up and the people melted.

01:56:46.320 Yeah.

01:56:46.640 Yeah, so it could be—

01:56:47.640 Yeah, you don't want to touch it.

01:56:49.160 You see that in the Bible, also you don't want to touch it.

01:56:50.800 But I was asked, I was asked, it was with someone and his granddaughter.

01:56:55.960 And the granddaughter, about 14 years old, she says, well, are you guys looking to find the Ark of the Covenant?

01:57:01.320 So I said, well, I'm only now speaking for myself and not for the archaeologists or anyone else.

01:57:04.480 But I said, well, no.

01:57:06.540 She says, why not?

01:57:07.820 I said, well, what would you do if you found it?

01:57:09.940 She says, well, what do you mean?

01:57:10.960 I said, well, I'll tell you what we wouldn't do.

01:57:12.860 I said, the Ark of the Covenant is not going to go in the Museum of the Bible.

01:57:15.500 It's not going to go in the British Museum.

01:57:16.900 It's not going to go in the Israel Museum.

01:57:18.640 You're not going to go and take selfies with the Ark of the Covenant.

01:57:21.100 There's one place and one place alone where the Ark of the Covenant would go.

01:57:26.080 I believe if and when that place is ever ready for it, you'll find the Ark of the Covenant.

01:57:32.480 But until that day comes, there's no need for it.

01:57:35.280 It's not a gimmick.

01:57:36.280 It's not a prop.

01:57:36.860 It's not like a weapon of some kind.

01:57:39.700 And so when the time is right, I believe it'll be found.

01:57:44.300 But until that time, I don't believe we will ever find it.

01:57:48.480 But that's just me.

01:57:49.880 Wow.

01:57:50.880 What is the – I mean, are there consequences of finding it and using it, you know, kind of like Indiana Jones?

01:57:59.520 Well, we see two stories in the Bible where the Ark in some way was disrespected.

01:58:04.220 The first is when David is bringing the Ark up to Jerusalem.

01:58:07.900 He's made Jerusalem his capital, and now he wants to bring the Ark to Jerusalem.

01:58:11.800 And there's festivities and fanfare.

01:58:14.280 And the wagon that the Ark was on, it stumbles.

01:58:18.160 And the Ark, it looks as if it's about to fall.

01:58:19.980 And there's a man named Uzzah who goes and tries to save the Ark and grabs onto the Ark, and he dies on the spot.

01:58:26.840 That's a whole big question.

01:58:28.320 What did he do wrong?

01:58:29.480 Right?

01:58:29.620 Right.

01:58:29.880 Which we'll save for a different time.

01:58:31.000 Yeah.

01:58:31.140 But then there is another story in the book of Samuel, 1 Samuel, where the Philistines are attacking Israel.

01:58:37.620 And the people say, well, we have a secret weapon.

01:58:40.000 And they go to Shiloh to the tabernacle, and they take the Ark out.

01:58:43.440 And they go out to battle with the Ark.

01:58:45.660 And the Philistines, they see the Ark, and they panic.

01:58:47.700 They're like, oh, my God, we're finished.

01:58:49.360 They just brought out their secret weapon.

01:58:51.360 Yeah.

01:58:52.240 But then nothing happened.

01:58:54.180 And the Philistines, they said, okay, well, I guess it's not such a powerful weapon.

01:58:57.620 And they go, and they defeat Israel, and they take the Ark captive.

01:59:01.440 And it wasn't that the Ark wasn't powerful.

01:59:03.660 It's just the Ark is not a gimmick.

01:59:05.580 And in fact, what the Philistines then do is they take the Ark, and they put it in their temples.

01:59:11.260 And every temple that they put it in at the feet of their God came the morning, the God was toppled over time and time again.

01:59:18.720 And then plagues broke out, and they realized, wait a second, we don't want this Ark.

01:59:22.080 We better send it back to the Jews.

01:59:24.320 And they sent it back.

01:59:25.340 And so, again, the Ark is not a gimmick for us to use.

01:59:29.520 But have you thought of, you know, digging and seeing something, and you realize this might be the room of the – what would you do?

01:59:38.320 Well, that happens almost all the time in the City of David.

01:59:41.580 We're, you know, 2005, we have our visitor center.

01:59:44.520 And a woman comes in, Dr. Eilat Mazar, world-renowned archaeologist.

01:59:48.480 And she says, well, beneath your feet, I believe, is the location of King David's palace.

01:59:53.320 You need to move your offices.

01:59:55.020 What on earth are you talking about?

01:59:56.560 People have been digging here for 150 years.

01:59:58.480 No one's ever said that before.

01:59:59.780 And she came up with her theory, and it was compelling.

02:00:03.160 And we ended up moving our visitor center.

02:00:04.700 And it turns out that she's quite likely correct, that we have now found in the City of David what was almost certainly, if not King David's palace, the palace of the royal Davidic dynasty, the original Capitol Hill, where the kings from the House of David would have ruled.

02:00:20.660 And that was only a couple of years ago.

02:00:22.080 So, it's really amazing that two-thirds of the City of David has yet to be unearthed.

02:00:28.020 But here's what I can tell you, even with the one-third that we have unearthed, there is no place in the world where you can take the Bible in one hand, and you could take what is being unearthed on the other, and show that the Bible and Jerusalem's biblical heritage is not simply a matter of faith, but a matter of fact.

02:00:43.820 You could find the people that marched through the pages of the Bible.

02:00:46.320 The events were counted in the Bible, matching up word for word, find for find, with the archaeological excavations in the City of David.

02:00:54.020 And, you know, we're living in a time, if you go back a hundred years ago, the Bible was revered.

02:00:59.280 A hundred years later, the Bible is mocked and scorned, and believers are mocked and scorned.

02:01:04.600 And I believe it's not a coincidence that at a time of unprecedented biblical denial, there's also unprecedented discovery affirming the Bible.

02:01:14.100 And then it's a choice.

02:01:14.860 It's weird.

02:01:15.620 We don't think that Babylon didn't exist.

02:01:18.320 I mean, you go to the British Museum, they'll talk about Babylon, they'll talk about the Assyrians, they'll talk about everything.

02:01:24.880 We know that happened, and I think there's more evidence, or at least as much, about all of this, and we deny it for some reason.

02:01:34.300 It's really bizarre.

02:01:34.400 If you go to the British Museum, you have your Egypt wing, and your Babylon wing, and all these wings.

02:01:40.420 There's no Israel wing, right?

02:01:42.700 There's no wing that has all the archaeological affirmation of the Bible.

02:01:46.920 And I think there's two reasons for it.

02:01:48.080 One is the British are largely anti-Semitic.

02:01:50.820 And second, and if I want to give them the benefit of the doubt, you know why they don't have a wing on the Bible?

02:01:55.820 Well, if you go to the Egypt wing, the Egypt of 4,000 years ago is not the Egypt of today.

02:02:01.860 The Pharaohs were not Muslims, right?

02:02:03.680 The Egypt that we have today is almost no connection to ancient Egypt.

02:02:07.420 And so, you could put Egypt in a wing of the museum.

02:02:10.860 You could put Babylon in the wing of a museum.

02:02:13.660 Those are dead.

02:02:14.700 That's right.

02:02:15.220 The story of Israel, the significance of the Bible, and its impact on civilization cannot be put in the museum.

02:02:21.380 Because you may have a starting date, but there is no end date.

02:02:24.520 It's still relevant.

02:02:25.320 It's still alive.

02:02:26.020 It's still meaningful.

02:02:28.340 When you go to the city of David, and you walk along the pilgrimage road, you visit the Pool of Siloam,

02:02:32.180 you walk where King David's palace once stood, it's not saying, well, okay, 3,000 years ago,

02:02:37.020 there were these things that happened, and oh, that's cool.

02:02:39.500 It's still.

02:02:40.260 It's relevant.

02:02:41.180 Yeah.

02:02:41.520 It's still shaping the world today.

02:02:43.020 It's remarkable.

02:02:43.980 Thank you so much, Zev.

02:02:45.020 I really, really appreciate it.

02:02:47.720 Cityofdavid.org.il.

02:02:51.660 If you want to find out more, it is website, cityofdavid.org.il.

02:02:57.500 Zev, thank you.

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02:04:39.340 You know, I didn't get a chance to talk today about Taylor Lorenz, but we have to tomorrow, because it's just so outrageous what she said.

02:04:58.180 Here she is on Piers Morgan.

02:05:01.840 Listen to this.

02:05:02.920 I do believe in the sanctity of life, and I think that's why I felt, along with so many other Americans, joy.

02:05:09.340 Unfortunately, you know, because it feels like...

02:05:12.260 Joy?

02:05:12.680 Serious?

02:05:12.940 I mean...

02:05:13.780 Joy in a man's execution?

02:05:15.400 Maybe not joy, but certainly not empathy.

02:05:19.760 Because, again...

02:05:20.240 We're watching the footage.

02:05:21.400 How can this make you joyful?

02:05:23.580 This guy's a husband, he's a father, and he's being gunned down in the middle of Manhattan.

02:05:28.780 Why is that making you joyful?

02:05:30.140 So are the tens of thousands of Americans that be murdered.

02:05:31.480 So are the tens of thousands of Americans, innocent Americans, who died because...

02:05:38.480 Greedy health insurance executives like this one, push policies of denying care to the most vulnerable people.

02:05:44.960 This is just so evil.

02:05:45.680 It's wrong.

02:05:46.920 It wouldn't justify it if it was right, of course.

02:05:49.040 I mean, it's...

02:05:49.780 It's not even true.

02:05:50.540 Look at Obamacare.

02:05:52.040 I'm sure she was all for Obamacare.

02:05:53.900 Has that made things better?

02:05:55.040 It's supposed to solve all the problems.

02:05:56.020 By the way, it has the lowest approval rating of all the types of coverage you can get.

02:06:00.060 Of course it does.

02:06:00.940 And then she later went on with peers and said, well, it wasn't joy.

02:06:05.500 I didn't...

02:06:05.940 I misspoke.

02:06:06.900 It wasn't joy.

02:06:07.920 But you know what she used?

02:06:10.160 Celebratory.

02:06:11.560 I felt celebratory.

02:06:14.040 Well, I don't think that's any better.

02:06:17.240 Yeah.

02:06:17.900 You threw a celebration?

02:06:19.300 No, not better.

02:06:20.320 She is at the point where you really have to consider that she didn't even be brought on these shows.

02:06:27.840 No.

02:06:28.040 She's just insane.

02:06:29.340 I think she's a mentally disturbed insane person.

02:06:32.720 But what is really more important than that is that the New York Times and the Washington Post platformed her as an authority on culture for years and years and years and years.

02:06:42.600 And every time she got criticized, we were told we didn't like women.

02:06:46.140 We were told we were the ones that were unbalanced and insane for the criticism of her.

02:06:52.260 She is a literal insane person.

02:06:55.160 An insane person.

02:06:56.200 And both of those organizations should have committees going through all of her work to check it.

02:07:05.480 Because there's no way she legitimately was reporting accurately while she was there.

02:07:11.120 Well, she's done.

02:07:12.620 I mean, she's done.

02:07:14.060 She lost her Vox support, which is already like level five.

02:07:17.960 Right.

02:07:18.340 She lost Vox and she's like, no, I still have my podcast.

02:07:21.960 Carried on what?

02:07:23.640 Carried on what?

02:07:24.760 Yeah.

02:07:25.080 I mean, you know, you can do it.

02:07:26.340 I guess you could do it at YouTube.

02:07:27.700 But yeah, I think she's doing a sub.

02:07:28.860 I mean, like she'll have a career because she's well known.

02:07:32.000 And I'm sure people will get her money for nonsense like that.

02:07:35.140 You want to be well known for.

02:07:37.060 She's unbalanced.

02:07:38.380 She really is.

02:07:39.380 I mean, I hate to say, you know, clinically insane, but she is deeply disturbed.

02:07:45.840 Well, you're a doctor.

02:07:46.680 You can call her clinically insane.

02:07:47.940 Well, you know what?

02:07:48.900 Thank you, Stu.

02:07:49.660 I am a doctor of humanities.

02:07:51.760 Human humanities.

02:07:53.260 You're right.

02:07:54.080 She's as nutty as a fruitcake.

02:07:57.540 All right.

02:07:58.520 We'll see you tomorrow.

02:07:59.600 God bless.

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