'Sober Words and Careful Action' - 4⧸11⧸18
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1 hour and 53 minutes
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162.33606
Summary
After a U.N. Security Council vote yesterday, the entire world, minus Russia, demanded action on Syria. Russia proceeded to claim false flags, then deny anything actually happened in the first place. What the Russian people heard yesterday is stunning.
Transcript
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Кстати, далеко не все продукты действительно стоит брать с собой.
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Например, из круп, дольше всех хранится рис в среднем до 8 лет.
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What the Russian people heard after the U.N. vote yesterday?
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The U.N. Security Council was in full-on stupid mold yesterday afternoon.
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For those who missed the broadcast, here are the CliffsNotes.
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The entire world, minus Russia, demanded action on Syria.
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Russia proceeded to claim false flags, then deny anything actually happened in the first place.
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If you're wondering, yes, the Russian ambassador kind of contradicted himself there, but screw it.
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They're going to deny their ambassador was even there.
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They'll, you know, leak bad Photoshop of him at a strip club with Steven Stagall and then sit back and laughs while calling everybody a Russia-phobe.
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So, what really happened at the meeting yesterday?
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Well, yesterday, the U.S. proposed a resolution calling for international investigators to be given access to the site of the chemical attack.
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Russia then proceeded to offer a counter-resolution calling for investigators of their own who would then report their findings to Russia.
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So, Russia said, no, no, no, no, you can trust us.
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We'll send Russians to investigate and then they'll report to us and then we'll tell you about that.
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It was well understood yesterday that this is now going to fall on the shoulders of America, as it always does for some reason.
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It was well understood yesterday that if no agreement was made at the U.N., military strikes from the United States would be imminent.
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As the ambassadors left the room empty-handed, a flurry of activity began.
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Airline companies operating in the Middle East received a request to change their routes for the next 48 hours.
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Flight trackers showed civilian aircraft all but stopped around Syria and parts of the Mediterranean.
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One hour after that, Russia began relocating their hardware and their planes and their helicopters from multiple military bases inside Syria.
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Reports began coming in that the Syrian military was digging in and preparing for a strike.
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It's assumed that Russia had been given a short window to get their forces out of the line of fire.
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But in a very short time, U.S. ordinance could be falling and it would be too close to Russian soldiers.
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Which leads us back to the audio we began with.
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Last night on Russian state TV, the broadcaster began.
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They were broadcasting the details of what you needed to do in case of a nuclear war.
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They seem to be a little bit more sober about this.
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Most Americans don't even really understand how close we are.
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I remember my parents talking about the Cuban Missile Crisis and how the world sat on edge.
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Last night I went to bed knowing that the Russians were preparing for nuclear strikes.
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Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria.
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Get ready, Russia, because they'll be coming nice and new and smart.
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You shouldn't be partners with a gas-killing animal who kills his own people and enjoys it.
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Are there some things that should be taken a little more seriously?
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If a strike happens, it's going to come after the sun goes down.
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it's a little disturbing to have the Russians on TV going,
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It's also disturbing that I feel like every time we listen to clips from Russian state
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Кстати, далеко не все продукты действительно стоит брать с собой.
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I mean, it's such a strange thing to be in the middle of.
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But remember, we talked about this a while ago.
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Everyone was talking for so many years about how soft Donald Trump was going to be on Russia
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Like, he could be so tough on Russia that we wind up in a conflict with Russia.
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And, you know, I don't, hopefully that doesn't happen.
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Well, I mean, so far, I think we're doing the right thing.
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So far, we have to, we have to respond to chemical weapons being used.
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Man, here's where my libertarian gets me in trouble.
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That's, again, that is definitely falling in the category of world police.
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There's not a lot of U.S. interests involved in that.
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The world needs to respond, especially their neighbors.
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And I, you know, I really, it really bothers me.
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Because Russia could just veto everything that they do.
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So, I mean, you know, there's no point really there.
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They'll get some sort of coalition together, I think, to support this in some name-only sort of way, as it usually is.
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But I guess you could make the argument that we have to draw that red line that Obama drew and then erased on chemical weapons.
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Because if they become acceptable, they become something that rogue nations can use without punishment, rogue nations will start using them without punishment.
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And it could very well wind up being a long-term downhill trajectory.
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I don't think there's a huge amount of U.S. interests that would be served by this.
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It's just we just need to make sure that other rogue regimes don't decide this is a viable path.
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You could make the case that there is real U.S. interests involved in this because it's Russia, Iran, and Syria.
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And if they are allowed to run roughshod over Syria, you know, Iran controls the Middle East, along with Russia.
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There was talk about this happening last night, us shooting, you know, firing missiles in there last night.
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And the speculation is that Russia hasn't moved enough of their stuff yet to show how—
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A lot of people, obviously, you know, Donald Trump doesn't come into this with a military background.
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But he's surrounded himself with a lot of people who have military backgrounds.
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He's got a really good—especially when it comes to the military, has a really good selection of people around him.
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And, you know, I think everybody, at least in the Pentagon, everybody knows Russia means it.
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I mean, if we killed a bunch of troops, Russian troops, with a missile strike—
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I mean, Russia says a lot of things that if we took as literal promises, we would be at war with them.
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I have to tell you, I think, unlike Barack Obama, Vladimir Putin doesn't make threats.
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That's the secret to be, I think, to be a world leader.
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You know, people who make threats, there's too much bluffing.
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I've done that in my career, and it has served me very well.
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Look, you know, Glenn, we want you to do this job.
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And so the negotiations become very easy because you're never threatening anything.
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And then you don't have to worry about, you know, geez, should I ask for more or should I have, you know, should I have asked for less?
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Yeah, kill your people the old-fashioned way, please.
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Throw barrels out of helicopters at them, please.
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Let's make sure they die in conventional ways because we can't take you doing it in this new way.
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We want you to only murder your own civilians with barrels out of helicopters.
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I mean, obviously, there's a big picture in which if chemical weapons are used routinely in warfare, it could lead to a lot more death.
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But, I mean, they've already murdered hundreds of thousands of their civilians.
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And we act as if the next, you know, what is it, 60 here?
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Well, you know, the other hundreds of thousands are dead.
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They're not any more alive than the people who died from chemical weapons.
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And I think there is a legitimate, this is a good test in some ways of the libertarian argument of not being involved in these things because there's not, there's not an immediate U.S. interest case per se.
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I mean, I think what I would like is to be, there's a point of leadership, right, which I would understand.
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We've talked about this with Obama of leading from behind.
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Wasn't that the way he, that's not necessarily a way you want to do it.
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I think you'd want to make it not just our responsibility.
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You know, if we're going to, and I think the strike is limited, and there's not really an easy way to go big, right?
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You're not looking to take this guy out, really.
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You're not looking to, this is not a regime change operation.
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It's not even something that Trump is proposing.
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I think probably the road, and this is the same thing that happened with Obama.
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You know, there's a road here, probably the way Trump is doing this, that is the right way.
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I can tell you this, I'm not on Twitter telling Vladimir Putin to look out for missiles.
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But I think the short-term answer of a limited strike, ideally, with other countries involved in it,
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so it's not just us policing the world yet again, at least, you know, that's at least a step.
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I'm doing the right thing that you can just guess.
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You've had a nice commercial break to figure out this.
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Actually, you have this nice box of donuts, and I'm really hungry.
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But while I'm here, what are you going to do with Syria?
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I think if I was president today, I would do a couple of things.
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First of all, Russia is taking this so seriously and has said, we screw it up.
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I take Putin as a guy who means what he says and says what he means.
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He's a liar, but when he makes threats, they're not threats, they're promises.
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So, the first thing I do on this one is I go to Congress for at least advice and consent and say, look, this is a serious one.
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This is not just lobbying over this has serious consequences, so advise and consent.
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But I say to the people and to the nation, we have a problem of personal responsibility in the world.
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Nobody's taking personal responsibility for anything anymore.
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We're not taking personal responsibility of our families, of ourselves, of our jobs, of our economy, of our spending, of our debt.
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Until that's fixed, we'll continue to burn the world down.
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As this relates to the rest of the world, the United States is not responsible for you and your neighborhood.
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Turkey, do not lecture us about what has to happen.
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You need to take care of the bad guys in your neighborhood.
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When you and your neighbors stop wanting us to be your sugar daddy, your protector, and your foil, the world will be a safer place.
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The United States is going to fulfill its obligations, but we are not the world's policemen.
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Now, we made a promise that this was a red line.
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And the United States needs to be understood that when we speak, we mean it.
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However, the days of the United States being the judge, jury, and executioner.
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The police force, judge, jury, and executioner are over.
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However, you all have to pick up your own personal responsibility.
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And Americans, you have to do the same thing in your life.
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Because the United States government cannot be a sugar daddy, a policeman, a jury, and the problem.
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And the stock market is set now to open 200 points down.
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There's obviously things that Trump does that help him on Twitter.
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It's obviously been a big part of the formula of his success, right?
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And it's certainly a big part of the reason why he became president in the first place.
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You know, I just wish there were times in which he considered it as a cost-benefit analysis
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There are times that you carry a big stick and you use it.
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There are other times that you carry a big stick, but you put it in your back pocket,
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Vladimir Putin knows we have a very big stick, and we're not afraid to use it.
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It's interesting, too, as it goes back to your conversation with former President George W.
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Bush in the Oval Office about how each president comes in with a limited amount of options,
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and they kind of will wind up doing the same thing as the president before,
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even though they'll talk about these big changes in election time.
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When it comes down to it, they wind up doing the same thing.
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If you look at, for example, Syria as three different options, right?
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And then in the middle, you have a wide sort of swath of options called the middle path,
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where you have drone strikes and cruise missiles and some troops on the ground.
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Maybe a few special forces and maybe a few airstrikes.
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And it kind of seems like that's exactly where both presidents, both Obama and Trump, will fall.
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Now, Obama did drone strikes in places like Yemen, and we did other things in Libya.
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Syria, he famously didn't do this red line and wound up out of that category on that particular country.
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But in general, he landed in the middle on most of those cases as well.
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But it's really interesting to me that that is the part of the conversation that you remembered,
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because you said, you know, maybe it's important to remember the conversation you had with George Bush in the Oval Office.
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I said to him, because it was all off the record, and I couldn't, I could characterize what he said,
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And he started rattling off some stats and how well the war was going for us
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And I said, Mr. President, no offense, but where is this guy that I'm sitting with?
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This is the president that America is wanting to see.
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And he told me a couple of things, but one of them, because he was so clear.
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You know how he was always like, well, you know, and he wasn't like that at all.
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And I remember sitting across from him and thinking, I would not want to be on the other end of a negotiating table with this man,
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And so what I said, this is the guy that America needs.
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He said, when you're president, there are things that you cannot say and cannot do because countries are watching and analyzing every move.
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I make every shift of my eyes, every phrase, every word it's I'm convinced it's why he always was like, well, and, uh, you know, I have a, uh, uh, uh, issue.
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You're like, what, you know, you were thinking he was looking for a really big word and to be like, and, uh, uh, uh, meet.
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Um, it was because he was, I think it was because he was sorting through all of the repercussions of every word he was saying.
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It's not a way to live your life, not a way to rule a country.
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However, Donald Trump is the exact opposite of that.
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Now we've wanted the opposite of that because we want somebody just to say, here's the truth.
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But Donald Trump in his tweet this morning is going too far.
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The truth is Russia, we have no issue with the Russian people, but you have gotten into bed with really bad men.
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We are not trying to pick a fight with Russia, but Assad must pay a price for gassing his own people.
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Have we not learned anything from World War II?
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That is an acceptable, acceptable tweet because it's saying, I'm going to respond.
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I have to, but it's also petting the cat of the Russian people because Putin is making us into the bad guy with his own people.
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Let's not be, let's not be, oh yeah, we'll watch this.
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And it's just, that's one thing that if, if, if the president could learn this one thing, he would be a much better president.
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If he could just learn, there are times you must act presidential.
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And when you're talking about killing people, that certainly is a time for sober words and careful action.
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I just want to let you know that President Glenn and President Stu will actually get us into a war based upon what you want to do.
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If I was president, I would go out today and I would give a speech that would remind the American people of something that we once had, and that was called the Monroe Doctrine.
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And that was the idea that our sphere of influence is our sphere of influence.
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And that if you enter that sphere of influence, we will respond.
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That is the Russian sphere of influence, or Turkey, or Iran, or Saudi Arabia, as much as I care about the Syrian people, and I do, there is no difference between if they're killed by gas, or by a bomb, or by a rock, or by a gun.
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But, yeah, there's nothing worse that is occurring in Syria today that isn't occurring in North Korea, or 15 or 20 other countries on every single day.
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More people will die in Mexico today in horrible acts of violence than will die in Syria from gas.
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And yet, somehow, we are supposed to go and right every wrong.
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The president needs to do something that no president has done.
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It is a cop-out to say, well, you have to do these things.
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Donald Trump could come out tomorrow, today, and say, as much as we care about what occurs in another country, the simple fact is that it is not our business.
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We will pull our forces out, just like I wanted to do last week, and recognize that what is occurring there is not worth the life of American soldiers.
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It's not worth the life of your sons and daughters.
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And that is the risk we are taking when we continue to lob bombs in areas where countries are big enough to actually hurt Americans.
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You said, you know, the president can make his own choices.
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But that wasn't the point of what George Bush was saying.
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What George Bush said was he'll sit here and he'll hear the same advice from the same people.
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So, it doesn't matter who sits in this chair, left or right.
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When it comes to the world, they'll make the same choice, which is why I say shut down the State Department, fumigate, and start all over again.
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Because it's the same people advising, no matter who's sitting in that chair, and they're convincing every president they have to do that.
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And I agree with you that we have to change our behavior.
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You're saying that that's the Western Hemisphere.
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I don't think we have a right to go down to Bolivia or Brazil and exert ourselves down there either.
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Our sphere of influence is the United States of America.
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You cannot have 100 years of the United States in everybody's business and then just pull down – pull out without understanding that there will be a significant collapse and somebody else will fill that space.
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No, of course not, because we have alliances that we have to respect.
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Part of it, it becomes the president should get on TV and say, we need – Japan needs to rearm.
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The Japanese constitution needs to be changed to allow them to protect themselves without the constant need of the United States.
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That Europe needs to recognize that although we will forever be there in their defense and aid, they need to be prepared outside of NATO to defend themselves.
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I went back to school a couple years ago to get my second doctorate.
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So I started studying small towns and communities in a way that would try to solve their problems.
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And what you learn was that when you come into an area, people will look at a problem and they'll say, we've tried to do it a thousand times.
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None of the people will be convinced to do anything else.
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And what you start to find out is when you start to talk to people, they're able and willing to do things differently.
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They're able to solve problems in different ways, even if they've been ingrained in a certain way for so long.
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If you give them options, they'll actually solve the problem.
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That we continue to be stuck in this sense of we have got to solve every problem for every person on the planet.
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It's actually exactly what I thought when I was only on my second doctorate, too.
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And that is, I think the American people are willing to try something different.
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Let's stop doing this because it's not working.
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I said this to you in the break after we initially talked.
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There's sort of a battle between instinct and principle.
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And I think my instinct is like this is a terrible thing.
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It really my principle has been, and we've talked about this many times on the air.
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If you're not 100% sure that you need to go, if you're, you heard my response.
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It's like, well, yeah, I mean, there's this part and there's this part and I'm divided on it.
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Because when you're in a moment where you have a tough decision, you should fall back at them.
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And I kind of am on that idea of like, maybe we shouldn't go in.
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Well, I didn't realize I was broadcasting from the Waffle House.
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Well, I mean, I'm sorry, but I figured when vibes are on the line.
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My fifth doctorate position was I should go in, but my sixth doctorate was no.
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00:35:03.760
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As you rise from your seat, a commotion is approaching and you can hear it.
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Suddenly the room burst up with activity as the president paces through the doorway, assertive
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Last night, roughly 6,000 miles from where you're standing right now in a maelstrom of
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a war fueled morning, women and children fled to hospitals after the latest round of bombings.
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Only this time, many of them were foaming at the mouth, clenching at their eyes, hunched
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You're standing there in that room and you hear somebody say they must have used something
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Do some sort of stronger chlorine this time because it's serious.
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They used something else, something more deadly.
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This had to be the world of U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley, faced with
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Maybe we call it poise or grace or something deeper or calmer.
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Either way, she does it without losing the unmitigated fury of an American at the helm of a ship of
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Her speech to the U.N. has largely, and to be fair, sometimes understandably, been buried under a news of
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Only a monster targets civilians and then ensures that there are no ambulances to transfer the wounded.
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I could hold up pictures of all of this killing and suffering for the council to see.
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The monster who was responsible for these attacks has no conscience.
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Not even to be shocked by pictures of dead children.
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The Russian regime, whose hands are all covered in the blood of Syrian children, cannot be ashamed
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Every sentence she says rings with a barbed intensity, unimpeded.
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She is calm and outraged, but I can't help but think, but why are these children different
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than the ones who are dying or being tortured in concentration camps in North Korea?
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Why are these children different than the ones that are poor and starving in South America or South Africa?
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Why are these children different than the ones on our own border that are being brutally killed by drug lords?
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But there is one line that she says that sticks out.
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The Russian regime, whose hands are all covered in blood, in the blood of children, cannot be ashamed.
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It echoed again through the auditorium of diplomats.
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So we should mention some breaking news today that Paul Ryan is not going to seek re-election.
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And this is not him stepping down from the speakership.
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It's him not running for re-election to Congress.
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So his seat certainly was not really in jeopardy.
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He probably would have won re-election easily, as he has for a long time.
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But the speakership could have been a problem for him.
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And plus, it looks increasingly likely that he would be minority speaker rather than majority speaker.
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So that's the speculation as to why he's bailing.
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I mean, I have given up on politics because I think it's just we keep playing this thing over and over and over again and expecting different outcomes.
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And I'm more of a believer in the individual and the individual going out and doing something and just saying, you know what?
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I don't care what people tell me I can or can't do.
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I don't care if they tell me that it's ridiculous because it's not if we just decide to do it.
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I want to introduce you to a guy, Bob Goff, who I think has a similar attitude.
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You're a you're an attorney from San Diego area.
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You have a new book out called Everybody Always.
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I want you to I want you to give the audience for anybody who doesn't know you a sense of who you are and start with.
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Start with the fact that you have no television in your house and what happened on September 11th in your house with your children.
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I had I can't tell you about me without telling you about the sweet Maria Goff, my bride of 33 years.
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And then we have three kids and this whole idea of living a purposeful life.
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Like we're confronted with so much information, so much tragedy around us.
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One of the things that I've decided to do is I was just going to start with my family.
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And so we decided to get rid of the television.
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And when the when September 11th happened, I came home and I told the kids there's something horrible that happened in the country.
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And and we sat around this table that we have in the kitchen and and I said, if you had five minutes in front of a leader in the world, what would you say to him?
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So my nine year old said I would ask them what they're hoping in, because I would say, like, if you find out what people are hoping for, you find out a lot more about them.
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And then our 11 year old, she was the precocious when she said, I would say this.
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If they couldn't come over for the sleepover, I would ask this leader if we could come over to their house and do an interview and ask them, what are you hoping for?
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And get a message of hope to pass on to another leader.
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We got the name of every leader in every country, figured out their addresses and wrote them.
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And we got a post office box because we did not want Ahmadinejad to know where we live.
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And after school every day, we would go over and get the mail out and the kids would be in the backseat.
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I'm like, so, but we always got the most pleasant nose.
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He said, like, you know, like jolly good show, like forget it, but jolly good show about the meetup.
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He wrote to them and he said, if you'll come to the palace in Sofia, I'll give you your interview.
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And then the prime minister of Switzerland said, if you'll come to Bern, I'll give you your interview.
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And then the president of Israel said, if you'll come to Jerusalem, I'll give you.
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So there's something just really beautiful about that.
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It's this idea of a childlike faith, like that idea that look to your kids.
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You want to like do something awesome for the world.
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You would, you would as an adult and the older you get the secret to staying young.
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I think that's what Jesus meant when he said, come to me as a child.
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I mean, it's just, you still believe you haven't been worn down by the world to say it won't work.
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And if you've been convinced that it won't work, get a puppy.
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Like literally just no, you know, because then I'm convinced, you know, potty training doesn't work.
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The only thing our dog has missed is the lawn so far.
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But one of the things that let the children kind of lead us and let, we're seeing that in society.
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So we went and we would go into, there's this one country.
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They had just been involved in all kinds of stuff.
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And the leader walks in and he said, children, you know, I'm more nervous meeting with you
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than if I was meeting with the president of the United States right now.
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And then he said, and when I get nervous, I get hungry.
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And he claps his hand and all these servants come in with like jars of candy and ice cream.
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There's something about this idea of leading with love and it takes a childlike faith to get there.
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Not childish because most of us guys have childish nails, but childlike to just remain hopeful,
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One of the places you went to was Uganda, right?
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And we've done some stuff in Uganda because there's still sacrifices.
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Human sacrifices in Uganda with these witch doctors and they kidnap children and sacrifice
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And you stop it in one place and then it pops up in another place because it's still part of
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their culture, but you being an attorney, you found that for a long time, there wasn't a
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law, but then like three years before you got there, they had passed a law to stop all
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Everybody was afraid, but it just takes a courageous people to make big change.
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Hey, that idea to just, and we don't measure like God doesn't compare our leaps.
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Just, uh, I would say for everybody listening, make your next courageous step, whatever that
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And so for me, I was a lawyer, knew how to try cases.
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And, um, the problem with his child sacrifice, there's always a victim, but they're always
00:49:40.200
A little boy, I won't just say his name is Charlie's walking home from school and gets
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abducted by the leader of all of these witch doctors.
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They cut off all of his private parts and leave him for dead, but the kid doesn't die.
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So for the first time we had a victim of survived and we've got the witch doctor.
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So I asked, could we try Uganda's first death penalty case?
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Uh, and they said, uh, you will never get a judge who will touch that.
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Uh, but then we found a judge and we tried the case and the word of this conviction went
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There's something beautiful about that idea of like, there's no love without justice,
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So after this conviction happens, the boy is all torn up.
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This attack happens with a machete, a doctor in Los Angeles.
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He said, Bob, I, I heard what happened to this little kid and I can fix him.
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And I'm like, buddy, you didn't hear what got cut off.
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And he said, I'm the chief of surgery at Cedar Sinai medical center.
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He takes out a piece of paper and he starts drawing out what he's going to do, which is
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And I asked him, if they find that at TSA, I'm going to jail.
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And he said, it'd be staggering, but I'll do it for nothing.
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We find the little boy in the bush and my first stop is court and become his legal guardian.
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And I get off the plane in London and he's holding head.
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He says, father, could we just walk the rest of the way?
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And I open up my laptop to see if there's any messages in there.
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This is the time when Obama's in office and there's a message in there.
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And I thought it was some of my friends, guys, friends like you guys that would just
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And this kid that was standing in the bush in Uganda is now standing in the Oval Office.
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And no matter what age you are, you can actually start thinking about what might be possible.
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And I just want to continue to live into that, even against all of the horrific things that
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Not just put smiley faces on, but just say like, so what's my next step?
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If I have cancer, for instance, go to a doctor over and over and over again.
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Something's wrong, but the doctors can't find it.
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If that's happened to you, you get to a point where you're like, I don't care if it's cancer.
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And I think there is hope when there is knowledge that there is something you can do that, whether
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But once you know, I have no hope in a doctor who says, oh, you know, it's just a little
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We have to, we have to not just be the putting smiley faces on things and going, oh, no, it's
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But now take us from it's bad to how to find that hopeful place.
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When we come back, name of the book is everybody.
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We're with Bob Goff, an amazing man, and not a Tony Robbins kind of guy who makes his
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living being a motivational speaker, but is truly motivational in everything that I've
00:55:30.560
And Bob just made the point that we need to find hope.
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Yeah, I know a simple answer for anything, but the first thing that sprung to my mind
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is it's a life of engagement, and that idea of engaging the people that are around you,
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engaging the issues around you, but not necessarily with a petition.
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Engage it with everything you've got, with your love, with your hope, with your energy.
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We were talking about a wrong that was done in Uganda.
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Engage, if you're good as a lawyer, go do a bunch of that.
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If you're good at loving people, go do a bunch of that.
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I don't want them to actually meet me, and the way to meet me is to be curious about that.
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So when you sat down, I told you, you passed a test that almost no one passes.
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I think there's maybe been two people, and we've had great people in a career of 40 years.
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I've had great people around that I've interviewed.
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I think I can honestly say two, maybe there's been five, that have walked into the room,
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said hello to me, and then said hello to Stu or the other people on the air,
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but then the important thing, looked at the people who are holding the camera,
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doing the makeup, introducing yourself, looking them in the eye, and engaging with them.
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It's sad, but to me, it's a test of who are you really, and you pass that.
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And from what I understand, you were out in the green room, and you were out in the hallway,
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You came in here, and you started looking around.
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You're very observant, which I think kind of passes all of us by sometimes.
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We just engage in the moment and do what we have to do with that person.
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Yeah, I think each of us are looking for these same things in our life,
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like love and purpose and connection, and then authentic relationships.
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And if we just start skipping across the desk, we just turn our life into a bunch of transactions.
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I'm the only guy trying a $100 million case with a Mickey Mouse watch.
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But I'll tell you, it'll be the third month of the trial,
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and somebody in the box will say, Mickey Mouse watch.
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This whole idea, this overarching idea that we'll be known for our opinions,
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So I think we need to each ask, like, what are we going to be remembered for?
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Okay, so I could spend a day with you, but I want to come back here in a second
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and show me how you remain optimistic as a trial lawyer.
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You're surrounded by dirt bags lying in the system, and yet you hold it.
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We are talking to an incredible guy I could spend the day with,
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and he's just invited me to go TP some houses for the rest of the day.
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His name is Bob Goff, the author of Everybody Always,
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and one of the happier guys that I think I've ever met.
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And I want to get into that, but we're going to run out of time.
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So let's start with one of your philosophies where one of the things that you take away
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from the Jesus story, and that is, tell no one.
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But I love that he said, flesh and blood doesn't reveal that to you, but the Spirit.
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And we've got a lot of people where faith is important to them,
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They're trying to tell everybody what Jesus is.
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We'll know what we believe when everybody sees what we do.
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You're just spreading a lot of hope for people.
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So, but do you set out to, you know, another Jesus thing?
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Pay no attention to what's going to happen tomorrow.
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Don't worry about where you're going to lay your head.
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So, so one of the things, if you know why you're doing what you're doing, and I just
01:01:23.400
want to be, we were talking about being available.
01:01:25.220
So I put my cell phone number in the back of a couple million books and I get a hundred
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It is legitimately, legitimately the last sentence of the book.
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It talks about if you ever want to talk about any of the ideas, my phone number is
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And I'm never the smartest guy in the room, particularly right now, but I can be the most
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And so if you know why you're doing what you're doing, how do you do that?
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People are tugging on his shirt, calling his name from trees.
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Like they just, just live a life with constant interruptions.
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And what it reminds me over and over again is not to be efficient in the way that I love
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Just not giving people a little bit, just give them your best.
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I got, we took all the money from love does and just gave it all away.
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And so we've been going around building schools in countries.
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So, which cracks me up because my worst subject in school was school, but we're actually pretty
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So we've got one in Uganda, one in Iraq, one in Somalia.
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We've got one going into a country that doesn't do that.
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So if you see something, don't just identify with that, but to just say, what's my piece
01:03:02.860
They're up in Indianapolis and they had potholes in their town and they were reading, you know,
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And they were reading in the newspaper that the state couldn't afford it.
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It was $700 billion or whatever to fix all the potholes.
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They went to the hardware store, they bought asphalt and they just started fixing potholes.
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And what is amazing about this is so far the city knows about it and hasn't stopped them.
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I would think immediately, oh, you're, they're going to come.
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What if the, uh, as you're constantly thinking, uh, about what do you want to be remembered
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And I just want to be remembered for somebody who is engaged.
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And here's the crazy part that God isn't dazzled.
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When you go across the street, uh, when this idea of loving your neighbor, I don't think
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I actually, one of my neighbors was getting audited.
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So, so art after 20 long years, finally said he was going to retire.
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And so we decided to make him the grand marshal of our parade.
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Our blocks only, you know, 10 houses long on each side.
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And so, uh, 800 people showed up to see art, to let him know just how much they loved him.
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Even though he's a lousy mailman, everybody in the whole community knew it.
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And there was such an outpouring of love towards this guy.
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He called me up the next day and said, Bob, I'm coming out of retirement.
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But what will happen when people know that they're loved, when they actually know that
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they're respected, this idea of being ready to make a defense for the hope that's within
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you doesn't mean to point bony fingers at people.
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They forget the last sentence that says with gentleness and respect.
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And if we could just treat people with gentleness and respect, knowing that you've got beautiful
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things in your life and God might be doing something different in your life than my life.
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Last Saturday, there was a wedding planner that was praying for sunshine and there was
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And just to assume that God's up to different things in other people's lives and be a little
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bit more patient with them as we're getting there.
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Uh, but to do the things we can, uh, hope for a lot of things, but hope on the move.
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I think hope is, I don't know about my grammar, but I'll tell you hope on the move is unstoppable.
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That's what your, your guys were doing with the potholes.
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Somebody like birthed you and said, go now go do beautiful, immense things, but do it with
01:06:11.980
Uh, I can try death penalty cases against witch doctors, but that old whole idea of loving
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your neighbor and loving the people, love your enemy, right?
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So after the trial, I started meeting with witch doctors.
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I sent out word on the Bush radio that the consul general for Uganda is here.
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And I command every witch doctor to meet with me.
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I've met with a thousand witch doctors and they are creepy dolls that look like me and
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And, uh, so I asked these guys, what do you need?
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And they said, we don't know how to read or write.
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They already know we teach them how to read and write.
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And the only books we have in witch doctor school are the Bible and love does.
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And so this whole idea, you should see our graduation ceremonies.
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So I grab each of these witch doctors by the face and I give them a kiss on the forehead.
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And I just whispered to them, like, like do good, like live your life in a way.
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Live a life in a way that gives great honor and respect to people.
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No, I want you to just, just, just, just take this back here.
01:07:32.420
As I understand this story, here's a guy I introduced to you 40 minutes ago, and it
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started at his table with his children on September 11th.
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He first asked, what would you say to the world leaders?
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He said, let's write and let's invite them to come here.
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We'll go there and interview them and find out what they hope for.
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Uh, and, uh, 20, no, 19 of them said, yes, most people would go, okay, well, we're not
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going to, they went to all 19, went to all 19 interviewed while he was in Uganda finds
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He's an attorney says, well, maybe I can just help.
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You think to be counsel, meaning they wanted you to be a counselor and an attorney there,
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but you're actually the ambassador, not of, uh, from, uh, to the, wait, you're not the
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You're the Ugandan ambassador to America, right?
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And so now you are educating which doctors and teaching them how to do good.
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What if you just live a life engaged and it wouldn't be any different than other people
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like this whole idea of living an engaged life that we're not graded on a curve, just
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engage the people around you, engage the people you love, but engage them with love, like engage
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And then to see what happened, we would finish each interview with these world leaders and
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they can, what do you bring to some of these guys?
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And so the kids brought the key to our front door and they gave it to them in a little box.
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And, and we, they, they said, you know, we came over to your house.
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If you ever want to come to our house, here's the key to the front door.
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And you know what, somebody, I'm not going to tell you who, but they, uh, emailed, uh,
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from the embassy to our kids because it's, they don't have my email address.
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Don't put your toe on the water, grab your knees, and then just see what'll happen.
01:09:51.680
If faith is a big deal to do it because faith's a big deal for you, but don't try to talk everybody
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Let, let God will let people, uh, know that he's around because he's there.
01:10:02.640
Like it'll just continue to continue to reveal himself and not in mystical ways.
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So I want to be that guy and I'm trying and I'm not quite there.
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It's always five in the morning from some dude in Atlanta.
01:10:18.080
Cause it's eight in the morning there and it's five in San Diego.
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I got my last call at midnight from two witch doctors in witch doctor school and they said,
01:10:26.580
uh, a little boy's been abducted and this new witch doctor's taken him into the bush
01:10:30.920
for a child sacrifice, but we know where he is.
01:10:35.820
And I'm standing on my bed and my boxers yelling into the phone.
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And four hours later, I get a text message from these two guys that used to be bad guys.
01:10:48.880
He's with his mother in the last two words of the text message.
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I've spent my whole life avoiding the people Jesus spent his whole life engaging.
01:10:59.540
And I've just decided I'm just not going to avoid people anymore.
01:11:02.600
I'm going to engage the people who creep me out.
01:11:05.360
I'm not going to just avoid them, but I'm not going to engage them.
01:11:11.460
The cover of everybody always looks like a bunch of balloons.
01:11:14.720
I flew over to Uganda after, you know what it's like when you get a book cover and they
01:11:22.240
I got the witch doctors to make the cover out of their fingerprints.
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I'm like, well, actually, I'm going to go write a book about loving people and loving
01:11:42.400
You're actually teaching me more about love because I'm learning about you and your life.
01:11:47.620
And I see who you're becoming, not who you used to be.
01:11:55.500
I have to tell you, Bob, and I don't know if you take this as a compliment or not, but
01:11:59.020
I have worked with or I have been around and worked with some of the biggest spiritual
01:12:06.620
leaders of multiple faiths in the last 20 years and have met the worst and the best.
01:12:31.480
If we just stop preaching to each other and we stop trying to get each other baptized
01:12:38.180
or trying to fix everybody's life by selling you X, Y, or Z, just live it yourself.
01:12:51.860
I dressed up to come visit with you by taking off my baseball cap.
01:12:55.780
I wear this Boston Red Sox hat, not because I'm a Red Sox fan.
01:12:59.540
I haven't even gone to a baseball game, but one of the reasons I wear it, my neighbor across
01:13:04.060
the street was a big Red Sox fan and she was going to be with Jesus by the end of the week.
01:13:10.000
I said, I will wear your Red Sox hat for the rest of my life and represent the socks here.
01:13:14.960
But every time Jesus walks by you, you need to mention my name.
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There's this verse about you that says, I knew you not.
01:13:23.920
So if you know why you're doing what you're doing, why you're engaging people in conversations,
01:13:29.580
why you're doing this, it'll give a lot of clarity to your life.
01:13:34.940
Oh, thanks so much for having me, for making me feel so welcome and for spreading a lot
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If that doesn't sell everyone in this audience on buying this book, I don't know what, what
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I don't think I've, I've rarely met a man like that, and especially a man who gives
01:15:22.180
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I mean, it's the same phone number that he gave out in his last book, and he still has
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Maybe it's just that the media is tired of reporting on high school students going on
01:16:17.620
Maybe they're just tired of, of people that are taking issues and making them political
01:16:26.880
Something tells me that there is an ideological bent to the quiet, the total silence.
01:16:35.700
Not a word about the pro-life march happening right now in America.
01:16:50.100
Students at more than 200 schools around the country are joining in.
01:16:54.160
Sure, over the last week, with the chaos of Syria and Facebook and the FBI raids, there
01:17:00.460
is a, oh, a larger trove of newsworthy content, I guess.
01:17:05.300
So, so media has moved on from the Parkland shooting and the, the, uh, consequent month-long
01:17:19.980
And it hasn't stopped the media from reporting on Planned Parenthood or the women's march.
01:17:25.060
The pro-life nonprofit Family Research Council has encouraged students to join the march.
01:17:31.540
In a statement, the group contrasted the nationwide outrage and media coverage, and yes, there is
01:17:37.120
an overlap that followed the Parkland shooting, resulting in the March 14th walkout.
01:18:31.020
Kids today are taking on their own administration, which the media said was so very important and
01:18:40.220
But the media has failed its test, as it does day after day.
01:18:48.740
But there is hope in the country, because there are those people who are willing to be grossly
01:19:17.960
So, it was a little bit awkward yesterday, occasionally tense.
01:19:26.680
There were times that I screamed at the screen.
01:19:30.420
There were times I just shook my head in disbelief.
01:19:32.520
It was almost as entertaining as the movie about Facebook, the social network, except it was twice as long, had really bad lighting, and there were way more old people in yesterday's episode.
01:19:51.460
It was Mark Zuckerberg testifying in front of Congress yesterday, and I'm not sure what he was doing.
01:20:08.620
Did you hear him when he was asked, are you responsible for the content?
01:20:13.720
I mean, I think he was saying that, and the buck stops here, right?
01:20:19.480
Yeah, except every attorney, every attorney, anybody who is...
01:20:23.160
I mean, how many pictures have been posted that are copywritten pictures?
01:20:28.860
How many times have people posted something that has a copyright or a trademark, and you can't do that?
01:20:35.320
How many times has somebody posted something completely irresponsible since we began this monologue with, you know, 1.2 billion users?
01:20:52.420
Yeah, I think his general point was, we have to do more.
01:20:56.340
I think you can make a legitimate argument it's really not their fault at all about these data breaches.
01:21:03.760
And it's one that, I don't know, if I'm CEO of Facebook, I might make.
01:21:07.260
I certainly would make arguments like, you know, I'd sit down and I'd say, hey, thanks a lot for asking me these questions, but it's none of your freaking business.
01:21:20.480
That's the real answer to politicians when they come peering their, you know, they're trying to get their grubby hands on his business, and they want to regulate it.
01:21:27.900
And he was like, well, my attitude is that we're not against regulation.
01:21:31.400
We're against bad regulation, but we're fine with the good stuff.
01:21:37.880
You know, and that's, I think, one of those situations where he needs, I would have wanted to be, and I'm sure he wanted to be a little bit more aggressive, but he stayed back.
01:21:48.400
For example, like for the data, they gave, they had an agreement that you signed to get on Facebook.
01:21:55.460
Then you agree to share your data with the third-party app.
01:22:02.060
Facebook has an agreement with the third-party app that says don't share your data outside of the uses that we've agreed with.
01:22:08.920
Then that third party shared it with another company.
01:22:15.880
Now, his answer to that is like, well, you know, we should be responsible.
01:22:19.640
We should be holding these people up to, in reality, I think he could have made a legitimate argument that that was not his fault at all.
01:22:25.640
No, I don't even think make a legitimate argument.
01:22:28.440
I think, let me just take this with another product or service.
01:22:34.100
You have an unspoken agreement that the truck is going to be used the way trucks were built to use.
01:22:46.860
You then go take that and you drive that truck through a crowd.
01:22:51.520
Is the dealership responsible or is the truck, is GM responsible?
01:22:57.680
No, and they didn't even have a contract saying, hey, I won't drive this truck through a crowd and kill people.
01:23:10.060
You, not the Facebook thing that everybody just clicks on.
01:23:13.360
One where it was, hey, will you share your information with this company?
01:23:24.160
I won't share it with anybody else, but they did.
01:23:33.260
And what Zuckerberg's argument yesterday was, was, look, we probably shouldn't be selling trucks to people who might drive into crowds.
01:23:44.140
And that seems to be the road they're going down.
01:23:46.480
He's talking about how AI is going to be implemented within, they think, five years to eliminate hate speech.
01:23:54.380
Here's Zuckerberg talking to Ben Sasse, who says, can you define hate speech?
01:23:59.500
You may decide, or Facebook may decide, it needs to police a whole bunch of speech that I think America might be better off not having policed by one company that has a really big and powerful platform.
01:24:14.660
Senator, I think that this is a really hard question.
01:24:20.400
And I think it's one of the reasons why we struggle with it.
01:24:23.000
There are certain definitions that we have around calling for violence or...
01:24:33.700
If somebody's calling for violence, that shouldn't be there.
01:24:36.300
I'm worried about the psychological categories around speech.
01:24:39.180
There are some really passionately held views about the abortion issue on this panel today.
01:24:43.660
Can you imagine a world where you might decide that pro-lifers are prohibited from speaking about their abortion views on your platform?
01:24:50.800
I certainly would not want that to be the case.
01:24:54.300
But it might really be unsettling to people who've had an abortion to have an open debate about that, wouldn't it?
01:25:00.340
It might be, but I don't think that that would fit any of the definitions of what we have.
01:25:08.080
Now, Ted Cruz asked him about Planned Parenthood, asked him, you know, have they ever been banned?
01:25:28.540
He doesn't have a real definition of hate speech.
01:25:46.960
Well, we're going to have AI and it's going to police hate speech.
01:25:51.820
That sounds, well, spooky to me, but I guess good to some, but sounds really spooky to me.
01:26:01.640
Well, I mean, there's lots of, I mean, you know, calling for violence.
01:26:15.000
You can't come to me and say, hey, well, AI is going to take care of a lot of this.
01:26:19.340
And then tell me you don't really know what hate speech is.
01:26:34.540
It disagrees with itself that first they're hiring for a salary.
01:26:39.580
The next day they're firing him because they think he's engaged in hate speech.
01:26:45.080
They can't even make up their own mind about one person in his commentary.
01:26:48.400
Here's Ted Cruz going up against Zuckerberg on this.
01:26:51.560
Do you know of those 15 to 20,000 people engaged in content review?
01:26:55.700
How many, if any, have ever supported financially a Republican candidate for office?
01:27:04.200
Your testimony says it is not enough that we just connect people.
01:27:08.500
We have to make sure those connections are positive.
01:27:11.700
It says we have to make sure people aren't using their voice to hurt people or spread misinformation.
01:27:18.080
We have a responsibility not just to build tools, to make sure those tools are used for good.
01:27:22.920
Mr. Zuckerberg, do you feel it's your responsibility to assess users,
01:27:26.580
whether they are good and positive connections or ones that those 15 to 20,000 people deem unacceptable or deplorable?
01:27:37.380
Senator, I think that there are a number of things that we would all agree are clearly bad.
01:27:42.660
Foreign interference in our elections, terrorism, self-harm.
01:27:48.640
Well, I think that you would probably agree that we should remove terrorist propaganda from the service.
01:27:53.860
So, that, I agree, I think is clearly bad activity that we want to get down, and we're generally proud of how well we do at that.
01:28:02.900
Now, what I can say, and I do want to get this in before the end here, is that I am very committed to making sure that Facebook is a platform for all ideas.
01:28:12.140
I will tell you, I sat in a room with him two years ago, and I know, you know, people disagree with me on this, and that's fine.
01:28:21.780
I sat with him, and I looked the man in the eye, and I could, we do not agree on policies.
01:28:37.380
I truly felt, he felt it was impossible and suicidal to get involved in politics because it's a global company.
01:28:51.220
And he said, we are dealing with one, what was it, 1.2 billion users.
01:29:02.340
We cannot, what is deemed hate speech in one place is not hate speech in another place.
01:29:11.980
How could we possibly keep up with all of the candidates?
01:29:17.500
And it was a real point of frustration that I felt he had been wrestling with himself long before any of this happened.
01:29:27.940
He was wrestling with, he wants to do the right thing.
01:29:31.860
He wants to create a better world, whatever version that is.
01:29:35.980
And we may disagree with a better world and what he believes is creating a better world.
01:29:41.480
But he has wrestled with this, and he doesn't see, he doesn't feel that it is, that it is possible to do it.
01:29:53.240
And I think he's right on that, although that's not what he expressed yesterday.
01:29:57.080
He was talking about hiring people all over the globe.
01:30:00.100
Because, you know, if you are in Uganda, hate speech is a lot different than it is in the United States.
01:30:05.280
You can't just look for the same slur translated.
01:30:07.520
Whatever hate speech is in Uganda is totally different than what it is here.
01:30:12.060
If this is the road that they're going to go down, they're going to put themselves out of business.
01:30:16.320
Yeah, because they're doing things that their customers don't really want.
01:30:22.080
What their customers want is, I followed a page.
01:30:31.080
What Facebook is now saying is, we know you say that's what you want, but we know what you want better than you.
01:30:39.280
We think you want better connections, or we think you want less passive media content.
01:30:44.160
We think you want, you know, seeing pictures of your friends' kids rather than reading a news story about Syria.
01:30:51.900
And so we're going to prioritize that content over others.
01:30:56.600
And again, it's their right to do this, but they're doing things that are playing to the media, playing to politicians, and not playing to their customers.
01:31:04.120
Remember I said Facebook is the replacement for television, television news, for radio, for the telephone.
01:31:21.640
It is now becoming a utility, and people are using it as such.
01:31:31.980
For instance, they are becoming a news source, but they're becoming CBS News, which said, we know what is right.
01:31:39.840
We know what you want, and so we're going to give you these stories.
01:31:44.720
The other stories we're going to disregard with, for instance, the stories about the walkout at schools on abortion.
01:31:52.200
Well, Facebook has given you the opportunity to cover that.
01:31:56.360
Whether you do or not, you have the opportunity.
01:31:59.720
But if they use their algorithm to skew things, then even if you follow somebody who you know would be the guy who would bring that story up,
01:32:09.680
you may not see their tweet about it, their Facebook post.
01:32:16.840
Sarah, could you please play the audio that we played at the beginning of the show from Russia?
01:32:45.020
This is audio from state-run television last night, and it is saying, prepare for possible nuclear war with the United States.
01:32:56.600
They were talking about possible nuclear war, and in that, they were saying, you need rice, you need some sort of an oat, bring powdered milk, and get to the nearest fallout shelter.
01:33:15.520
That's what Russia is thinking about when it comes to Syria.
01:33:23.660
Look, I don't know what's coming, but I have to tell you.
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Then you have a full month, and your family is covered.
01:34:25.620
Mark Zuckerberg really liked the questions he was being asked.
01:34:33.400
Well, Senator, this is actually a very important question.
01:34:37.060
Senator, that's a good and important question here.
01:34:40.200
Senator, I think that this is a really hard question.
01:34:51.300
Senator, I think the core question you're asking about AI transparency is a really important
01:35:02.000
And for the witness, Mr. Zuckerberg, the hearing is adjourned.
01:35:10.880
Mark, I'd have to tell you, I wish I could say that about your answers, but I can't really
01:35:19.340
He just, I don't know what he was, I just don't know what he was going for.
01:35:23.740
When you say, well, I mean, you know, look, he believes in, you know, bigger government
01:35:29.080
But when you're running a company to say, you know, I welcome regulation.
01:35:36.960
And we kind of talked about this off the air yesterday.
01:35:47.660
Well, the right regulation to him is probably, you know, regulation that helps him and hurts
01:35:53.180
his new competitors that are coming up, which is, of course, what regulation does all the
01:35:57.000
It blocks the little guys from being able to get on board with that regulation.
01:36:04.380
You know, a lot of this regulation is going to stop smaller companies from being able to
01:36:12.920
Back in a minute, some really disturbing news out of Russia.
01:36:31.700
It's a couple of things that are, I think, disturbing in the news today.
01:36:34.840
One is, as we played for you just a few minutes ago, what the national broadcast was in Russia,
01:36:41.000
last night, where they were saying store food and water and powdered milk and know where
01:36:47.900
your nearest bomb shelter is, because we may be on the eve of nuclear war with the United
01:37:01.400
We need to understand what we're dealing with here.
01:37:05.360
The Russians have already said two years ago, the world is already in World War Three.
01:37:17.200
So they have been laying this groundwork for a long time.
01:37:20.620
But I want you to see what the statement was from Russia.
01:37:24.300
Now, remember, what President Trump is doing is sending missiles over to teach Assad, the
01:37:40.520
As long as no Russians are hurt, maybe we're OK.
01:37:47.780
Listen to this from Russia, from Russian ambassador to Lebanon and said, if there is a strike by
01:37:52.980
the Americans, then we refer to the statements of Vladimir Putin and the chief of staff that
01:38:00.760
But he adds, and even the sources from which the missiles were fired.
01:38:06.380
Now, does that mean that if a Russian troop were attacked or just firing of the missiles?
01:38:22.720
Because listen, because they did kind of clarify, but I don't think it makes it better.
01:38:26.620
Yes, a smart missile should be aimed at terrorists, not at legitimate Syrian government, the legitimate
01:38:32.120
Syrian government that is fighting international terrorism on its territory.
01:38:36.380
So, I mean, of course, our idea of what is a legitimate terrorist target and theirs are
01:38:43.080
I mean, and they believe anything associated with the Assad government is not a legitimate
01:38:48.560
Now, of course, that's what we're actually targeting.
01:38:51.260
Yeah, we believe we're targeting their bases in any place that helped them disperse chemical
01:38:59.060
Which, by the way, were removed many years ago.
01:39:04.680
And we are in a the world is we may be in a Cuban missile crisis, but we're completely
01:39:12.600
We better wake up and and say our prayers here that cooler heads prevail and whatever
01:39:24.820
Because I don't know about you, but I don't want to go to war with Russia.
01:39:28.000
I can't believe we're back here after all the diplomacy between Rocky Balboa and Ivan
01:39:32.640
You know, they all that hard work that they did to bring the two countries together.
01:39:46.820
Pat, you were disturbed yesterday by Zuckerberg.
01:39:49.600
Yeah, well, not by him specifically, more the Congress, more the senators, more the American
01:39:56.020
government that thinks it's their business to dictate to a private owner what he should
01:40:00.880
Because the only one who made any sense really was Ted Cruz, because he cited a specific
01:40:14.300
And I think it must be a law based on receiving tax breaks is what it sounded like to me, because
01:40:19.760
if you're if you're biased, you're not going to get the tax breaks because you're not, you
01:40:27.000
Are you neutral or do you consider yourself a biased organization because here's all the
01:40:36.200
But the rest of this stuff, Congress has no business dictating to a private business
01:40:44.940
And I don't have a real love for Facebook either.
01:40:53.420
I mean, you're one of the biggest, most prolific posters in Facebook.
01:40:57.000
I don't know if Facebook would exist without my post.
01:41:00.880
You know, I think it's back to like a just at Harvard.
01:41:05.340
Lindsey Graham yesterday demanding that that Mark Zuckerberg identify whether or not his
01:41:17.280
Well, what do you mean whether my business is a monopoly?
01:41:21.760
There was something called MySpace before me, which I just did better.
01:41:31.000
Not to mention there's 2,500 other social networks, many of them with very large reaches.
01:41:36.180
But he wanted to know if there's somebody doing exactly what Facebook does.
01:41:44.260
Well, I didn't, but I stole it from my roommate.
01:41:46.920
And maybe you should steal something from your roommate and you can start making money
01:41:52.640
I mean, it's, it's, it, to me, it's, um, uh, it's amazing that he was asked, why did
01:42:03.780
Because it was successful and we thought it was a good investment.
01:42:09.300
What a bizarre question for a supposedly conservative senator, which we all know he's not.
01:42:16.760
Well, no, but there is a, there is a difference between a progressive conservative.
01:42:24.520
I don't think you're conservative if you're progressive, but we've, we've always, we've
01:42:29.440
I think you can be socially conservative, uh, and big government.
01:42:36.480
And so, uh, he, he needs to be telling him none of your stinking business on many of these
01:42:44.460
Graham, Graham asked him what we tell our constituents.
01:42:47.440
Tell him it's a private business and it's none of your business.
01:42:49.840
And if you don't like Facebook, don't, don't post it.
01:42:59.140
We did pretty well without it for a long, long time.
01:43:01.560
Well, for the first 7,000 years of human existence, we didn't have Facebook.
01:43:17.420
There's a part of me that wants a little bit, like not a hundred percent there, but
01:43:21.480
you know, 20% to towards like the pharma bro guy, that guy just went to prison that you
01:43:27.280
remember, he like bought that drug and he just raised the price by like 60,000%.
01:43:32.120
And then like every time people would ask him, he would answer just like that.
01:43:36.420
Hey, just, you know, you kind of want Zuckerberg to just kind of stand up on the table and just
01:43:39.780
grab his crotch and be like, eat this and walk out.
01:43:42.260
So I will, I will tell you this, I will tell you this, I, I went and I looked back at the
01:43:46.860
Howard Hughes testimony because Howard Hughes, before he went nuts, um, they came after him
01:43:52.900
and they were coming after him because of Pan Am.
01:43:54.940
He had TWA and Pan Am was the big, uh, uh, competitor Pan Am was in bed with, with senators
01:44:03.320
and, and, uh, you know, had all kinds of payoffs happening in Washington and they wanted to shut
01:44:11.440
And so, uh, during the war, uh, Hughes, who was an aircraft builder, Hughes aircraft, um,
01:44:18.360
he got all kinds of government money to build, you know, specified planes that some of them
01:44:27.300
The spruce goose should never have flown, but they were looking for something light, something
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that could be made out of material that we had an abundance of.
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Now you're making a wooden plane that was five stories tall.
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Spruce goose is still, still being worked on, hasn't flown.
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And they're saying, you were just, you just, you defrauded us.
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You were just getting rich off the taxpayer and they were just trying to smear him to
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Now it's a great testimony, but it's not as compressed and as full of fireworks as the
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drama, you know, as the, as the writers made this drama in the aviator with Leonardo DiCaprio,
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So here's how, here's how Howard Hughes dealt with the inquisition in his day.
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I might've been willing to sit back and take a certain amount of abuse simply because,
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Whereas you are a Senator with all sorts of powers.
01:45:49.340
So he walks out and it really does happen in the movie where he walks out of, I mean,
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it happens in the movie, but it happened in real life too.
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I'm doing business and you are feeding everyone against me.
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Well, they were like, no, we're not, we're not, that's out of order.
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We're not, you're, you're telling me you're not giving them the questions in advance.
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That might be the last time a private citizen took Congress to task and reminded them.
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You're not my overlords because that's now pretty much our thought process.
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When somebody goes before Congress, has anybody ever since Howard Hughes treated it this way?
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Remember when they were really coming after us and there was rumor that they were going to call me to testify in front of Congress.
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And I said on the air, oh, let me, because I would have said that.
01:47:29.160
But as it started to get serious, my attorneys were saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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And if you say one thing wrong, you can go to jail.
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This is why they don't want Trump to testify with Mueller.
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And obviously he's not always exact in his language.
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It's that old, it's that old, why would I be bothered by this?
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Well, you don't know what they'll consider something bad.
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You don't know what they're going to make out of what you say to them.
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And Howard Hughes, I think, got away with it because he had so much money.
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And the problem here is Zuckerberg is like-minded with a lot of these guys.
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He believes that the government has a hand in his business.
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A little embarrassing there for Glenn, obviously.
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She's coming up on the Blaze Radio and TV Network.
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Leonardo DiCaprio playing a fictional character.
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But just go to YouTube and look for Howard Hughes' testimony in front of Congress.
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He wasn't quite to that level that you hear from Leonardo DiCaprio.
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The exchange when he's saying, you're going to give me the questions?
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You're going to give me the questions in advance?
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Okay, so I want to tell you about a new politician getting into the race.
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He's running for city council in West Hollywood.
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And he has decided that he wants to be completely transparent.
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I mean, that's what we want out of our politicians.
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He's got 23 photographs, some showing him nude and some showing him engaged in sexual activities with other men.
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He also posted six videos of himself having sex.
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And a profile that opens up with the statement, I'm the luckiest guy in the world.
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I've had a lot of hot sex and never got an STD.
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So he says, I'm 100% transmerit and I only have good intentions.
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I have nothing negative to say about others and I never will.
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That's the verbiage you want to use in that particular circumstance.
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I don't think that will hurt my campaign any more than it would be a candidate stamp collecting hobby.
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My hobbies do not affect any other part of my life.
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I think it will help my campaign for people who believe the human body is art.
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Plus, it shows that I believe in transparency and I'm not afraid to express myself.
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I don't do everything nude, but I am an exhibitionist.
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I am kind of shy, but I also like other people watching me have sex.