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00:01:43.780 And HBO's documentary on Michael Jackson.

00:01:47.140 What does this mean for our society? Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

00:01:53.520 We have the ever unpopular John Ziegler joining us in one minute.

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00:03:35.480 Michael Jackson could be guilty as hell.

00:03:48.840 And HBO's leaving Neverland would still be unfair.

00:03:52.880 Those are the words of John Ziegler.

00:03:54.980 Welcome to the program, John.

00:03:56.720 Glenn, I'm going to put ever unpopular on my business card.

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00:04:02.400 So, John, I actually, you know, I know this this article when you read it, you thought, yeah, you know, everybody's going to disagree with me on this.

00:04:11.320 But we actually don't.

00:04:13.120 We've watched this.

00:04:14.480 And I think and I in reading your your article, I think you would agree most likely these guys are telling the truth.

00:04:23.360 Most likely this guy, Michael Jackson, did this to these to these kids and many others.

00:04:29.760 But he's not around to defend himself.

00:04:32.380 And we're just presenting one side.

00:04:35.680 This is dangerous.

00:04:36.760 That's why I wrote the column.

00:04:40.400 However, that column was written a couple of days ago.

00:04:44.800 And I'm not sure I would write the same column today because I'm quite sure that one of the two guys in that HBO, quote unquote, documentary, Wade Robeson, is not telling the truth.

00:04:58.000 And yeah.

00:04:59.480 Yeah. And let me put it this way.

00:05:01.840 If he is telling the truth, then we might as well throw away the entire judicial system because there is absolutely positively no way for an accused person to defend themselves.

00:05:14.320 Because the Wade Robeson story is on on paper is a complete joke.

00:05:22.680 And I purposely went into watching the Neverland movie.

00:05:27.200 I don't want to call it a documentary because it's ridiculously one sided.

00:05:30.640 Even if Jackson is guilty.

00:05:33.100 Let me just say, I hate this subject, Glenn.

00:05:35.780 I hate being the person that has to stand up and say, wait a minute.

00:05:40.240 But no one else wants to do this.

00:05:42.220 And I mean, you said I were unpopular with my own wife.

00:05:45.700 I mean, my wife is furious at me. 1.00

00:05:48.660 But I'm telling you, the Wade Robeson story, my my dog in this time is not Michael Jackson.

00:05:55.400 I don't care about Michael Jackson.

00:05:57.020 I care about the truth.

00:05:58.280 I really, really care about the rules we're creating for how we evaluate these kind of stories.

00:06:05.360 Because that is radically changing in a very dangerous way.

00:06:10.660 And if the Wade Robeson story is allowed to stand, then I seriously, Glenn, I do not know how a rich, famous person is able to defend themselves against any allegation.

00:06:25.880 Because I have evaluated these kind of stories for years now.

00:06:29.500 And this one is the most inexplicable that I have ever seen.

00:06:35.900 Why do you say that?

00:06:36.880 Why do you say that?

00:06:37.600 Well, because in all seriousness, again, he could be telling the truth.

00:06:41.400 But if he is, then on what basis would any story ever be discredited?

00:06:47.180 I mean, I could talk to you for hours about this, but let me just give you a couple of highlights.

00:06:51.440 I mean, here's a guy who I'm forgetting about the fact that at 12 years old, he testified in a civil complaint that Jackson never did anything to him.

00:07:00.800 And he was the greatest thing ever.

00:07:02.220 I'm discounting that.

00:07:03.140 OK, he's 12 years old and supposedly still being abused.

00:07:06.520 But at 22 years old, as an adult celebrity, OK, people need to understand, he's a celebrity.

00:07:14.300 This is a guy who allegedly broke up Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake because he had an affair with Britney Spears.

00:07:22.600 Now, right there, that's confidence, folks.

00:07:25.620 That is not consistent with what we're told is a sex abuse victim.

00:07:30.300 This is a worldly guy at 22 in the midst of a massive criminal trial.

00:07:37.060 He is not just a witness for Michael Jackson.

00:07:40.840 He is Michael Jackson's first defense witness.

00:07:45.660 I know Michael Jackson's attorney, Tom Mesereau, very well here in Los Angeles.

00:07:49.800 Tom Mesereau is a brilliant guy.

00:07:52.300 He believes Michael Jackson is innocent.

00:07:54.380 I do not know if he is or not.

00:07:56.860 I'm agnostic on that issue.

00:07:59.100 But as far as Wade Robeson, there is no way in hell that Tom Mesereau or Michael Jackson, if he's a criminal mastermind,

00:08:06.600 is going to put Wade Robeson on the stand first in his criminal trial if he's abused him for seven years

00:08:13.100 and end that Tom Mesereau, who has interviewed him vigorously, his family vigorously, is going to put him on the stand first.

00:08:21.020 The testimony, which was vigorously defending Jackson, is only one of a thousand data points that continue well after the trial and well after Jackson's death that Robeson was never abused.

00:08:37.240 After Jackson dies, Robeson issues one of the most ebullient pro-Jackson statements I've ever heard anyone give.

00:08:45.700 He's the greatest human being that's ever lived.

00:08:48.120 He writes a chapter in a book eulogizing Michael Jackson.

00:08:52.740 He attends his funeral.

00:08:54.880 And then it only shifts.

00:08:56.960 It only shifts immediately after when Michael Jackson is dead and Robeson loses out on the job to choreograph a Circus Soleil Michael Jackson show in Las Vegas.

00:09:09.700 And then he sues for millions of dollars, the first time he ever tells a story to anyone.

00:09:17.020 And in the course of that lawsuit, the discovery shows how he created his story.

00:09:25.260 And even I, in my column, I don't think I accurately describe how that lawsuit got adjudicated.

00:09:33.120 It got adjudicated because of statute of limitations concerns, and that sounds like, oh, there was nothing about the merit.

00:09:40.420 That's not really accurate.

00:09:42.180 What really happened is it was statute of limitations concern, and then when he tried to figure out a loophole around the statute of limitations,

00:09:49.000 the judge determined that he blatantly perjured himself, as proven by e-mails, and threw out his entire testimony.

00:09:55.260 So if this, if Wade Robeson is to be believed and accepted in a documentary with zero pushback,

00:10:06.080 I mean, zero skeptical questioning, zero informed of the audience in the first hour of some of these basic facts,

00:10:14.520 then I really honestly, Glenn, I do not know how anyone years later can possibly defend themselves.

00:10:20.900 And again, I don't care about Michael Jackson, and I hate this subject, but come on, people.

00:10:27.040 This was totally, and when you see interviews with this director, Dan Reed, I have never seen anyone as invested in a storyline without facts than this guy's.

00:10:38.800 So, I mean, look, could Wade Robeson be telling the truth?

00:10:41.900 I guess so.

00:10:42.720 I guess Jesse Smollett and Christine Ford could, too.

00:10:45.500 I mean, because, I mean, frankly, his story makes Christine Ford and Jesse Smollett look like George Washington and Abraham Lincoln.

00:10:55.360 I mean, that's how bad it is.

00:10:57.840 I mean, it's really, it is really, it's the worst I've ever seen.

00:11:01.580 Wow.

00:11:02.200 What about the other guy?

00:11:04.380 Now, James Shavechuk is a different breed of story.

00:11:08.660 And I will fully acknowledge, by the way, both of them are very good.

00:11:12.660 They're very compelling. 0.93

00:11:13.740 It's disgusting. 0.96

00:11:14.960 It's horrific.

00:11:16.480 It's important to point out that no one seems to want to acknowledge these are two guys who have been entertainers since they were kids.

00:11:22.400 They've been performers.

00:11:23.800 So can we at least consider the possibility that in the Jesse Smollett era that they could be just telling the story?

00:11:31.540 That is certainly possible.

00:11:33.000 But it's much more difficult to destroy Safechuck's story because he didn't do nearly the same number of things.

00:11:41.100 However, he did testify on behalf of Jackson in a civil complaint.

00:11:45.320 He did file, apparently, a deposition saying, or not, I mean, an affidavit saying he was not abused.

00:11:51.500 He did not testify at Jackson's trial.

00:11:54.540 He was about 27 years old at that time.

00:11:56.740 But he also didn't testify against him.

00:11:59.660 And he never told anybody about this until after Jackson was dead about the actual allegations.

00:12:05.520 So when you compare it to Wade Robeson, it's not nearly as easily questionable.

00:12:13.680 And I will fully agree that their telling of the story in Neverland, leaving Neverland, is incredibly compelling.

00:12:20.800 And that's clearly why HBO and the director decide to go with it.

00:12:25.440 But shouldn't there be more than that?

00:12:27.320 I mean, really, shouldn't there be more than that against a man who is dead, a man who was not convicted in court, a man who was never even found liable in a civil case?

00:12:36.540 I mean, to me, the threshold ought to be much higher, Glenn, under those circumstances.

00:12:41.540 This documentary would have been fine if Michael Jackson had been convicted and confessed.

00:12:45.740 But that didn't happen.

00:12:47.020 Or if he was still alive to defend himself.

00:12:48.820 That's not the case.

00:12:50.540 Because of those circumstances, I do not believe Leaving Neverland ever should have even aired on HBO.

00:12:56.120 And I think it's an abomination from a documentary standpoint.

00:12:59.700 Well, it's not a documentary.

00:13:01.100 A documentary should present both sides so you have some sort of idea.

00:13:06.600 I mean, it is an anti-Michael Jackson movie.

00:13:12.680 And there's no ifs, ands, or buts.

00:13:15.060 They do not ever give anyone a chance to say the other side at all.

00:13:20.680 Can I give you an example of that?

00:13:22.780 With Wade Robeson?

00:13:23.840 And I didn't know this until after it aired.

00:13:26.040 Wade Robeson, during the time of the alleged allegations that he makes against Michael Jackson, which go until he's 14 years old, was dating someone.

00:13:34.040 He was dating a woman for eight years during his entire teenage years.

00:13:37.520 That person was Michael Jackson's niece, Brandy, who is incredibly credible, intelligent.

00:13:46.440 I've seen interviews with her.

00:13:48.420 She knows he's lying.

00:13:50.780 Knows it.

00:13:51.940 Now, how does that make any damn sense?

00:13:54.880 That for eight years, he's dating a girl who's Michael Jackson's niece. 0.90

00:13:59.840 Who was there with him the whole time, who was having sex with him, who knows him better than anybody during this exact period of time.

00:14:08.700 And they don't even interview her?

00:14:11.200 Don't you think she might have some information, Glenn?

00:14:13.920 I mean, that's not a documentary, as you said.

00:14:17.400 That's a hit job.

00:14:18.760 And again, we should all care about this, not because of Michael Jackson.

00:14:22.140 And I don't want to be, I hate being seen as being, you know, defending supposed pedophiles or Michael Jackson in particular.

00:14:29.120 I despise it.

00:14:30.100 We should care about the truth.

00:14:31.940 And these rules, these new rules are so incredibly dangerous.

00:14:37.260 Well, I want to ask you to hold on here.

00:14:39.860 I'm going to break for a minute and then we'll come right back.

00:14:41.560 And I want to change this to R. Kelly and this, and even Jeffrey Epstein.

00:14:47.740 Here's a guy who clearly, on the surface, has been doing some really bad stuff.

00:14:56.080 He gets a sweetheart deal in Florida because he's really connected.

00:15:00.340 And now maybe there's a chance that he is going to be looked into because of a social media push.

00:15:09.140 The same thing with R. Kelly.

00:15:10.800 It's a social media push.

00:15:12.400 Is this good or bad?

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00:16:56.520 So, John, here's the thing I think that makes people believe some of this is these big settlements.

00:17:04.940 And, you know, you settle at a court, and quite honestly, that used to be the thing to do because it just isn't worth it.

00:17:13.860 Companies do this all the time.

00:17:15.840 They settle.

00:17:16.900 That's not necessarily an admission of guilt.

00:17:19.640 And so people think that the rich can get away with anything.

00:17:22.700 And you look at Jeffrey, what is it, Epstein or Epstein?

00:17:29.000 Epstein.

00:17:29.620 Epstein.

00:17:30.420 You look at Jeffrey Epstein.

00:17:32.400 Here's a guy who had dozens, they say, dozens of girls testifying or willing to testify that he had sex with them at underage. 0.61

00:17:44.840 He cuts a sweetheart deal.

00:17:47.260 He gets off with nothing.

00:17:48.660 And it's because he's well-connected.

00:17:50.740 The average guy would not have the same kind of system acting this way with them.

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00:17:59.540 Based upon what I know of that story, I would agree with that 1,000%. 0.99

00:18:02.920 But the weird part is, because he's not a celebrity, he's just, you're actually advantaged.

00:18:09.440 Being a celebrity, I think, makes you far more vulnerable.

00:18:12.980 And being rich, of course, gives you huge advantage.

00:18:16.760 I mean, I have always believed, you know, I covered the Michael Jackson trial at the radio talk show host here in Los Angeles.

00:18:23.200 And before the trial, I presumed Jackson was guilty as hell because of the payoffs.

00:18:27.720 The trial actually produced very limited evidence, which is why I think he was correctly acquitted.

00:18:32.660 That doesn't mean he's innocent.

00:18:34.060 That means that they didn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:18:36.520 But he was very, very vulnerable, largely because of his celebrity and his money.

00:18:40.980 And a payoff to him, let's be fair, isn't the same as a payoff, maybe to you, but not to me, because obviously he was super rich at the time.

00:18:49.560 And so that's all that needs to be taken into consideration.

00:18:52.540 Now, the R. Kelly situation, I find fascinating because, to me, what R. Kelly was doing was taking the Brett Kavanaugh strategy and, like, multiplying it times a thousand,

00:19:04.400 which is, you know, you've got to show you're fighting back as much as possible, and at least some people will believe you.

00:19:09.840 I don't believe R. Kelly, but I think his strategy is interesting that he took in that interview with CBS.

00:19:16.240 So now you have the same kind of situation with R. Kelly as Michael Jackson, where he says, you know, hey, look, I already beat this rap once.

00:19:26.840 You can't tie me into that.

00:19:28.380 I was cleared of that.

00:19:30.880 Well, that's not really true.

00:19:34.760 And plus, there's another problem for R. Kelly.

00:19:37.160 There's videotape in this case.

00:19:38.760 I mean, well, I mean, OK, that little detail.

00:19:44.980 Yeah.

00:19:45.540 And, you know, again, I've watched enough shows on R. Kelly to know that there's the evidence is far stronger based on what we currently know than it is against Michael Jackson.

00:19:59.460 But did you believe his reaction in that CBS interview?

00:20:03.480 I mean, that felt like acting.

00:20:05.260 No, yeah, it did.

00:20:06.320 No, I didn't.

00:20:06.820 I didn't buy it at all.

00:20:08.000 But, you know, what does that mean?

00:20:10.400 I'm having to judge somebody's, you know, acting ability.

00:20:13.820 But no, but but here's why that's important, Glenn.

00:20:15.900 And I, you know, I think this is really important going back to this issue of the rules we're creating.

00:20:22.740 Let's pretend for a second that R. Kelly is somehow maybe not guilty.

00:20:26.840 I'm not saying that.

00:20:27.820 I'm just putting that out as a theory.

00:20:29.460 Right.

00:20:29.880 How is he supposed to defend himself?

00:20:31.440 And I really, truly do believe that Brett Kavanaugh has carved out the last path for someone who actually is innocent to defend themselves.

00:20:41.340 Donald Trump wouldn't have stuck by Brett Kavanaugh if he hadn't fiercely attacked the story in his testimony in front of the Senate.

00:20:50.400 I mean, that would I mean.

00:20:51.300 And so that's your only option.

00:20:52.840 And what I found interesting was, of course, that many people on social media that I saw, news reporters, were saying, well, you know, Kelly proved himself to be an abuser because he was abusing his interviewer who was a female.

00:21:06.780 OK, fine.

00:21:07.660 Well, then just tell me, just please.

00:21:09.460 That's all I've ever really asked is tell me what the rules are.

00:21:12.400 How is an innocent person in this kind of situation supposed to defend themselves?

00:21:16.300 How are they supposed to act?

00:21:17.540 Because, frankly, I think Me Too has taken away all of the avenues.

00:21:21.200 I don't know what you're supposed to do, even if you are innocent.

00:21:23.900 I think that's a great point.

00:21:24.660 I would love to see a moment like this on, you know, a cable news broadcast when they're talking about this, where someone says to the host, hey, have you ever had an intern that you didn't abuse in your life?

00:21:33.800 OK, just of course.

00:21:35.000 And of course, they're going to say yes to that.

00:21:36.700 Tell me if if that intern came on TV right now and said that you abused them, what would you say to defend himself?

00:21:42.400 What would you say?

00:21:42.980 What excuse could you possibly come up with?

00:21:45.200 You can't prove where you were every second of every day.

00:21:47.300 You don't have video of yourself every second of every day.

00:21:49.200 And if we're just supposed to believe the accuser, there is no path to defend yourself, even if you are completely innocent.

00:21:56.940 That's not, you know, you know, conviction by documentary and podcast is a really dangerous road to go down.

00:22:03.640 Amen, Stu.

00:22:04.960 And again, I just want to know what the rules are.

00:22:08.260 And I also would like those rules to be semi-rational.

00:22:11.560 And is that asking too much?

00:22:14.360 Because we're way we are way beyond that now.

00:22:17.640 And I don't see how we go back.

00:22:19.340 I thought Jesse Smollett might at least tap the brakes, but it clearly did not.

00:22:23.020 No.

00:22:23.060 And we're going to talk next hour about how it's even getting worse now with Facebook and YouTube and everything else.

00:22:30.540 I would love to see you look into the Jeffrey Epstein case and really do some investigating on that.

00:22:37.360 If you do, let me know, John.

00:22:39.240 And we'll follow you as well.

00:22:43.880 Individual One is the name of his podcast, freespeechbroadcasting.com.

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00:22:56.060 All right.

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00:22:59.560 And you know what?

00:23:01.800 I'm not saying that you should do this because this is wrong.

00:23:06.180 Okay.

00:23:07.300 Okay.

00:23:07.900 It also provides a great 20 minutes when your boss isn't around of watching the videos on their website.

00:23:18.840 I'm just saying.

00:23:19.740 You seem to be telling people to go watch them blow up safes and other people's safes and then...

00:23:25.220 On your own time, not in your boss's time.

00:23:27.240 Oh, okay. 0.97

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00:23:39.220 But if you own the company, like you, you're just able to do it whenever you want.

00:23:42.380 Yes, but none of the employees, none of the employees, I'm doing it for research.

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00:25:17.020 Welcome to Thursday.

00:25:18.420 Have a great show lined up for you.

00:25:20.300 Probably tomorrow or the next day, but we're dealing with this one today,

00:25:23.620 and Pat Gray is with us now.

00:25:25.280 Hello, Pat.

00:25:25.660 Oh, I came on the wrong day.

00:25:27.160 You came on the wrong day.

00:25:28.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:25:29.860 So you just heard John Ziegler, who is, I think he gets up every day and is like,

00:25:35.620 how could I be more unpopular?

00:25:37.420 What could I take the opposite point of view on today?

00:25:41.480 Right, and he said, I'm not defending Michael Jackson.

00:25:45.100 I have a problem with this HBO documentary that really didn't address the other side.

00:25:51.140 Although it did.

00:25:52.300 It kind of did.

00:25:53.400 A little bit.

00:25:53.940 I mean, he didn't spend a lot of time with it, but both of them admitted lying under oath.

00:25:57.760 They showed a lot of the clips of these, of people who were taking them apart online.

00:26:04.400 They did sort of cover the other side of it.

00:26:07.080 I mean, they didn't do it extensively, and it happened toward the end.

00:26:10.240 They tipped the hat.

00:26:10.800 They tipped their hat.

00:26:11.720 Yes.

00:26:11.980 I also, I disagree with Ziegler on a couple of things.

00:26:17.740 I, you know, Robson explained pretty much everything that Ziegler talked about.

00:26:22.600 He, he went on to, yeah, a lot of fame and fortune with NSYNC and Britney Spears.

00:26:28.980 And I don't know that the fact that he had his way with Britney Spears proves that he was

00:26:33.700 totally together because, you know, that.

00:26:37.340 This would be a signal that you were not together.

00:26:39.260 I know.

00:26:39.660 If you're breaking up somebody else's marriage.

00:26:41.740 Right.

00:26:42.120 It's the Kevin Federline law, I believe.

00:26:44.080 Plus, as both of them said, neither one of them considered it abuse at the time.

00:26:49.620 When they were, when they were in the relationship, they didn't consider it abuse.

00:26:53.360 And then in their teenage years, they hadn't really worked through it yet.

00:26:56.480 Yeah.

00:26:56.680 And when you're, when you are suffering through things, um, sometimes you pour yourself into

00:27:03.700 work and you become successful in spite.

00:27:07.420 That happens a lot.

00:27:09.020 Right.

00:27:09.160 It's happened.

00:27:09.700 It happened with me.

00:27:10.740 Yeah.

00:27:11.180 I mean, that's what I, that's what drove me was just concentrate on this, just concentrate

00:27:16.080 on this, concentrate on this.

00:27:17.980 Um, you would agree to though, to the idea, just generally speaking about, you know, there's,

00:27:24.080 there's a disturbing trend of, you know, you get enough retweets and the person's guilty.

00:27:28.980 Absolutely.

00:27:29.420 And that is a, yes.

00:27:30.800 And I will admit, I kind of fell into that trap on this documentary because I don't, I

00:27:34.420 don't know that Michael Jackson 100% is guilty.

00:27:37.220 I, but I'm about 99.5% believe in it.

00:27:40.400 Yeah.

00:27:40.800 And, and I probably shouldn't, but there is some evidence, you know, he openly slept with

00:27:44.700 young boys openly over and over and over.

00:27:48.800 What really hurts him is, you know, I had an amusement park.

00:27:51.200 I openly slept with, uh, young boys and, oh, by the way, I had pornos and, uh, and their

00:27:57.200 fingerprints and the kids fingerprints are on it.

00:27:59.420 That's, that's a bad sign in my closet.

00:28:01.500 And that's, but that's all old.

00:28:02.440 That has nothing to do with the documentary, right?

00:28:03.540 Yeah.

00:28:03.700 Yeah.

00:28:04.060 Those are old things, but it does bring it back to the top of your mind a little bit.

00:28:07.040 I'd forgotten about some of that evidence.

00:28:09.080 Jordy Chandler also drew, you know, the evidence of his man unit, uh, and it was the exact same

00:28:17.040 markings that the photographs had.

00:28:19.920 Uh, how did that happen?

00:28:21.820 Is he psychic?

00:28:22.680 Just luck.

00:28:23.300 Maybe Jordy.

00:28:24.060 Well, he lucked out.

00:28:24.860 It looked like Abraham Lincoln.

00:28:26.440 And so, so he lucked out on that.

00:28:28.820 Sometimes when I go to the airport, I just guess at my QR code and draw one and it comes

00:28:33.180 out right.

00:28:33.500 I get on the right flight.

00:28:34.660 Right.

00:28:34.760 Right.

00:28:35.240 Yeah.

00:28:35.820 I'm sure it happens.

00:28:36.880 Yeah.

00:28:37.280 So it does seem like there's a lot there.

00:28:39.000 And I think that's been, that's the, in a way, that's what makes me, makes me more

00:28:44.000 scared of this is because I think most of these early examples that we could have, Bill

00:28:49.100 Cosby, uh, Harvey Weinstein, uh, Michael Jackson, R Kelly, there's so much against them.

00:28:55.720 And there's legitimate evidence outside of just a documentary that shows, you know, like

00:29:02.100 it looks pretty bad.

00:29:03.020 And obviously Cosby and Epstein, both, uh, you know, either pled guilty or were convicted.

00:29:07.360 Um, but it's almost worse that it starts that way because at some point we're just going

00:29:14.040 to start believing this is an okay way to make these decisions.

00:29:17.740 I think we're almost there already.

00:29:19.340 Isn't this just the institutionalization of Saul Alinsky tactics?

00:29:23.400 I mean, look what they did to me.

00:29:26.260 Okay.

00:29:26.980 You and I both know there was a book that came out said that I multiple books said one said 0.99

00:29:33.520 that I killed a girl, raped and killed her. 0.66

00:29:35.980 Uh, one said that I went to jail in the 19 what eighties or nineties, uh, and I was so drunk. 0.95

00:29:45.460 I was always late for work.

00:29:46.920 And one day I think Pat had to go bail me out or whatever it was.

00:29:51.120 Uh, what was the other one?

00:29:52.300 They're just horrible, horrible things.

00:29:54.880 Absolutely untrue.

00:29:56.300 Published, published.

00:29:58.000 And what do you do?

00:29:58.900 Right.

00:29:59.140 So what am I do?

00:30:00.700 I could have sued him, but that would have made that book sell more than five copies,

00:30:05.140 which I think it sold about three and the author bought those three.

00:30:08.800 Um, and so they're already doing this.

00:30:12.520 Look at what they did, uh, at Fox.

00:30:15.660 Now I helped by saying things like, you know, Barack Obama, I think he has a problem with

00:30:21.660 race.

00:30:22.100 Well, I do believe that.

00:30:24.700 However, that was just handing them something easy to take and turn into something ugly.

00:30:30.780 Plus who knew that when you accuse somebody of racism, it makes you a racist.

00:30:35.200 Never before in history.

00:30:36.640 No, that was at that time.

00:30:38.700 That's amazing.

00:30:39.040 That was new.

00:30:39.840 I can't think of any examples.

00:30:41.040 And it doesn't apply anymore.

00:30:42.380 It was just for a short time only for a limited time only.

00:30:45.300 That was your special offer.

00:30:46.480 Now you can, now you can accuse the president of being a racist.

00:30:50.900 Oh, it's not a problem.

00:30:52.180 And you're actually, you get in trouble if you don't accuse him of being a racist. 0.91

00:30:55.360 You seriously, you're now a racist.

00:30:57.000 If you don't accuse the president of being a racist, that's a, that's a hell of a turn. 0.94

00:31:00.980 It is.

00:31:01.680 So I'll probably learn that right as this one exits and I'll be like, you know what? 0.84

00:31:06.480 I think he is a racist.

00:31:07.640 And then the next guy will be in and you'll be like, wait, wait, we flipped back again. 0.66

00:31:12.100 I don't know what to do, but yeah, you, you're a target and, uh, this happens.

00:31:17.760 I mean, look, it happens to a lot of people who go, who are celebrities.

00:31:20.740 They're well-known.

00:31:22.100 I mean, this is not new.

00:31:23.500 I think there's a, there's an, a, an evidence, a level of evidence now that is so low.

00:31:29.380 It's like almost like if someone spends a lot of time.

00:31:32.500 Yeah.

00:31:32.980 Yeah.

00:31:33.520 I mean, it goes the other way too.

00:31:34.640 Like, I mean, making a murderer and serial are two documentaries or podcasts that are saying, basically, this person's not guilty.

00:31:41.240 You should believe that he's not guilty.

00:31:42.780 And it may be true.

00:31:44.400 But again, it's a, it's a relatively one-sided case.

00:31:47.300 This is what documentaries are.

00:31:48.600 People leave things out.

00:31:49.940 They say things that aren't true.

00:31:51.760 And now, you know, there's a whole movement of people who want these people out of prison or they want other people in prison.

00:31:59.360 And again, like, that is why we have a freaking legal system.

00:32:03.700 When it doesn't work, it's good that people shine light, shine light on it.

00:32:06.840 And I think that's positive.

00:32:08.000 Yeah.

00:32:08.220 But it's, it's still, we have to back up and say, wait a minute, there has to be this additional process that has to be, that occurs inside our legal, you know, construct.

00:32:18.580 If you don't have that, it's not real.

00:32:21.180 And we can all sit here and say, well, we think R. Kelly is guilty.

00:32:23.220 And, you know, it's, that's my impression as well.

00:32:26.060 But are you going to take his livelihood away?

00:32:30.820 Are you going to ban him?

00:32:33.160 You shouldn't.

00:32:33.840 Think of that.

00:32:34.120 Not based on allegations.

00:32:36.080 That's exactly what the left has done now to anyone who disagrees with them.

00:32:40.960 If you, if you supported, you know, traditional marriage 10 years ago, you're running a company.

00:32:49.180 Doesn't matter.

00:32:50.780 They'll destroy you.

00:32:51.480 They will destroy you and you won't be able to make money.

00:32:55.380 The same thing.

00:32:56.880 You, you have, you have an, a contrary opinion.

00:32:59.280 We have somebody on who I disagree with.

00:33:02.320 I am not, I'm, I'm pro vaccination, but here's a guy who made a movie about the facts on vaccination.

00:33:10.480 As he understands them, he is being banned.

00:33:14.720 Now he's been dropped by, uh, Amazon and YouTube.

00:33:20.020 Is he saying vaccines are dangerous?

00:33:22.540 Yes.

00:33:22.940 Still.

00:33:23.240 Yes.

00:33:23.680 Okay.

00:33:24.480 So I don't agree with that.

00:33:26.000 I don't want to hold this guy up or this movie up and say, hey, everybody should watch this.

00:33:29.900 I think this is true.

00:33:30.920 I don't.

00:33:32.200 I don't.

00:33:33.480 But he should have the right to say it.

00:33:35.980 They're not doing that to Jim Carrey, who was on that bandwagon for years with Jenny McCarthy.

00:33:40.620 Jenny McCarthy, RFK Jr.

00:33:41.660 And he still has a career.

00:33:43.640 So if you're on the, on the left here, you're usually insulated.

00:33:46.440 Is this guy right wing?

00:33:47.980 No, I don't know.

00:33:48.840 I don't know.

00:33:49.240 I don't know anything about him.

00:33:50.640 I just know this, that people are, their lives are being destroyed without a court of law.

00:33:57.620 And I don't think you should ban music based on allegations.

00:34:01.140 Like, should, should Michael Jackson's music be pulled off the air in New Zealand and wherever

00:34:05.980 else they're doing this?

00:34:07.000 No.

00:34:07.460 No.

00:34:07.920 No.

00:34:08.280 And fortunately, I haven't seen much of that happening in America yet.

00:34:11.200 I know.

00:34:11.660 Have you seen it?

00:34:12.040 With R. Kelly, yes.

00:34:13.160 With R. Kelly, yeah.

00:34:13.860 But not Michael Jackson.

00:34:14.600 I've not seen it yet with Michael Jackson.

00:34:16.220 Although that's, you know, we're in the same week it came out.

00:34:17.220 I mean, it's a lot easier to take R. Kelly's music off the air.

00:34:20.540 It's one song, right?

00:34:21.920 It's like, I believe I can fly.

00:34:23.480 Oh, no.

00:34:23.900 Can we exist without that song?

00:34:25.660 It'll be tough.

00:34:26.940 R. Kelly has sold a lot of records.

00:34:30.280 I know he has.

00:34:31.160 He has to because he's made, I mean, he lives quite the high life.

00:34:34.920 Apparently he does.

00:34:35.860 And he's bought some women. 0.99

00:34:36.800 And so you got to have some money to do that.

00:34:39.080 Right.

00:34:39.680 Well, when you say bought women. 1.00

00:34:42.520 Well, he says their parents sold him to him, sold the two girls to him.

00:34:49.460 So.

00:34:50.100 This is quite a run, though.

00:34:51.420 It's always bought, really.

00:34:54.100 It's just an exchange.

00:34:56.820 Okay.

00:34:57.400 So 1993 album, six times platinum.

00:35:01.260 Really?

00:35:02.080 Next one, five times platinum.

00:35:03.780 Next one, eight times platinum.

00:35:05.620 Wow.

00:35:05.800 Next one, four times platinum.

00:35:07.260 Again, platinum.

00:35:08.120 Then two times platinum.

00:35:09.100 Then three times platinum.

00:35:10.120 Again, platinum.

00:35:10.940 Another platinum.

00:35:11.780 Another platinum.

00:35:12.700 That's impressive.

00:35:13.440 That is a run there.

00:35:14.580 Yeah, that is.

00:35:15.260 I mean, look at this.

00:35:15.800 This is chart position for his albums.

00:35:17.000 Two, one, two, one, two, one, two, one, one.

00:35:21.420 One, one, four, six, five, four.

00:35:24.920 I mean, that is a hell of a run.

00:35:26.200 That's from 1993 to 2013.

00:35:27.660 It's a 20-year run.

00:35:28.880 Wow.

00:35:29.140 That's crazy.

00:35:29.740 Wow.

00:35:30.100 Wow.

00:35:30.580 Wow.

00:35:30.700 Again, we may not be the target demographic.

00:35:33.780 You think?

00:35:34.760 I think so.

00:35:35.400 You think?

00:35:36.020 But that's a hell of a run.

00:35:37.040 I'm not a 13-year-old black girl, but so I may not be the target. 0.93

00:35:43.020 Although I read in a book, you killed one, which is incredible. 1.00

00:35:46.460 Well, I raped and killed. 1.00

00:35:47.600 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:35:47.900 That's right.

00:35:48.340 I forgot about that.

00:35:49.180 They're wrong.

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00:38:10.600 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:38:13.220 We have some interesting news from Facebook that we want to get to and freedom of speech.

00:38:19.780 But also, Google is back in the news.

00:38:24.080 Unequal pay.

00:38:25.000 Finally stepping up unequal pay.

00:38:26.680 Yeah, finally doing it.

00:38:27.660 And, you know, they've been horrible on this issue for a long time.

00:38:30.220 They're being investigated.

00:38:32.040 They, you know, this has been bad for Google.

00:38:34.860 And so they conducted a study to determine whether the company was underpaying women and members of minority groups.

00:38:40.140 And they came back with a study.

00:38:42.400 It found, to the surprise of just about everyone, that men were paid less money than women for doing similar work.

00:38:50.960 What?

00:38:51.520 Wait a minute.

00:38:52.240 I don't.

00:38:53.760 The study actually disproportionately led to pay raises for the thousands of men, which is hilarious because now that's being seen as sexist.

00:39:01.980 So they were paying them less the whole time.

00:39:03.920 They gave them raises to make it equal.

00:39:06.000 And now they're saying, why did you give all the raises to men?

00:39:08.120 Well, because they were the ones earning less.

00:39:10.660 But now that's being seen as sexist.

00:39:14.320 I mean, it's hilarious how this stuff happens.

00:39:17.780 There's just no way for this just to continue.

00:39:19.980 This is why, kids, this is why socialism always ends in tyranny.

00:39:25.200 Because once you stop connecting to verifiable facts, once you stop using reason and you start using feelings,

00:39:35.920 it just all starts to spiral apart.

00:39:38.640 Yeah.

00:39:39.140 The center won't hold.

00:39:40.860 There's just not enough there to hold it together.

00:39:43.540 And so a strong man has to come in and say, this is the way it is.

00:39:47.400 It's true.

00:39:47.920 And, you know, we don't.

00:39:49.140 We talk about a lot of people doing a lot of wrong things and a lot of groups doing a lot of wrong things and a lot of human characteristics that are negative and to blame.

00:39:58.420 Right?

00:39:58.800 Parents and, you know, lack of faith.

00:40:01.300 And there's a lot of that.

00:40:02.040 We don't give enough blame to feelings. 0.97

00:40:05.280 Feelings are such a freaking problem. 0.95

00:40:08.220 Get rid of your feelings on these issues. 0.83

00:40:10.340 It's, everyone is like so emotional and they're making decisions based on, well, I don't want to hurt this person's feelings.

00:40:18.220 And I don't, just say the truth.

00:40:21.300 Go into something honestly.

00:40:23.600 Base it on facts.

00:40:25.240 And I know we've talked about this a hundred times and it's true. 1.00

00:40:28.920 Conservatives a lot of times lose these battles because they don't address feelings enough.

00:40:34.520 I think that's true, but it's sad and it deserves to be called out.

00:40:38.800 Well, feelings are not how you make these decisions.

00:40:41.680 I agree with you 100%.

00:40:43.920 With that being said, there is a place for feelings and because that is our, that's our human side.

00:40:51.500 Our human side is compassion and empathy.

00:40:55.440 So you don't want to kill feelings.

00:40:57.980 You just, the feelings do not override facts.

00:41:02.560 So.

00:41:02.720 But that's exactly what they do.

00:41:04.280 I know.

00:41:05.400 It's like, that's what they're designed to do.

00:41:07.540 Right?

00:41:07.980 They, they, they are.

00:41:08.900 No, they're designed to balance you.

00:41:11.440 Maybe.

00:41:11.900 I think, you know, like a feeling of fear is really designed, you know, if you look at

00:41:15.920 it from an evolutionary biologist sort of sense, it's at the fight or flight, right?

00:41:19.700 Like you're supposed to make decisions with that part of your brain before you have the

00:41:23.500 facts.

00:41:23.980 If, if a guy is rushing at you with a knife, you don't want to say, well, wait a minute.

00:41:27.260 Is that, is that an actual, first of all, is that an actual knife or a prop knife?

00:41:29.700 Second of all, what, what beef could he possibly have with me?

00:41:31.540 I don't know.

00:41:31.900 I can't really think about any.

00:41:33.140 I say, maybe I should just stay here and wait and talk to him.

00:41:35.320 Oh, right?

00:41:36.340 Right.

00:41:36.540 Like you're, it's supposed to make a decision before facts and that's good for that scenario.

00:41:41.420 It's not good for, well, the inequality of pay between men and women should be addressed.

00:41:46.860 Well, that you might feel that way, but when you find out it's not true.

00:41:49.820 So can we continue this conversation at the top of the hour?

00:41:52.380 Cause I, I, I agree with you.

00:41:54.820 I'm not disagreeing with what you say.

00:41:56.380 I think you're leaving out one thing and it's where we lose on socialism.

00:42:02.020 Socialism doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

00:42:04.200 No.

00:42:04.520 All driven by feeling.

00:42:05.880 But until we connect with that feeling, we will not destroy it.

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00:43:40.360 I want to, I want to finish the conversation Stu and I were having a few minutes ago about

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00:43:59.140 We, we have to address feelings, but we also have to address facts.

00:44:04.000 And right now we're not doing it.

00:44:07.220 And, and it is this, the balance between the two that I think the country is starving for.

00:44:14.540 And we begin there in one minute.

00:44:16.700 This is the Glenn Beck program.

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00:46:01.600 So, Stu, state your case again on, on facts, and I'm in complete agreement with you.

00:46:07.140 Uh, I just think maybe we disagree, perhaps on nuance.

00:46:11.360 Yeah.

00:46:12.020 My basic, uh, thesis here is that we blame a lot of things for the problems we have in

00:46:18.940 our society.

00:46:19.680 Things like, you know, different ideologies, uh, you know, uh, people who, uh, maybe don't

00:46:25.680 have enough information.

00:46:26.520 People who, uh, you know, have human characteristics, uh, that are flawed in some way, but the one

00:46:32.620 we don't give enough blame to our feelings.

00:46:35.880 We don't give enough blame to the idea that emotion and feelings consistently overwhelm actual

00:46:42.960 facts in our society.

00:46:44.780 It's one of the reasons I became a conservative a very long time ago is because I love the

00:46:48.340 idea that conservatives were the ones who prioritize facts over emotion.

00:46:53.920 And that played out for a very long time.

00:46:56.680 I think it still does play out, uh, to, to some extent, but just the human species is

00:47:02.120 so overwhelmed by emotion.

00:47:03.840 And one of the reasons, if you look, if you read, uh, thinking fast and slow, um, it's,

00:47:08.580 it talks about basically two types, uh, two things that are going on in your brain.

00:47:12.200 One is this immediate action, right?

00:47:14.460 So if someone's running at you with a knife, you don't, you don't sit there and think and

00:47:18.660 contemplate what was that person's motivations.

00:47:20.740 They don't seem like they're very happy with me.

00:47:22.680 Is that a real knife?

00:47:23.540 What are they doing?

00:47:24.100 And then you get stabbed.

00:47:25.440 Uh, you have the thinking fast part of your brain that immediately reacts without thinking

00:47:30.400 at all.

00:47:30.760 Does not, it just goes fight or flight, you know, get out of there.

00:47:34.400 And then you have the other side in places like policy and the way you design a country

00:47:40.520 and individual rights and, you know, adhering to the constitution.

00:47:44.980 All of those things are all supposed to be exclusively slow, slow.

00:47:49.800 Now that second part of your brain, that's taking the time to contemplate all the positives

00:47:54.400 and negatives, the rational arguments.

00:47:55.960 And we use the other side of our brain, that emotional, uh, passionate side, which is great

00:48:01.700 for some things.

00:48:02.480 It's great for family.

00:48:03.540 It's great for, uh, it's great for movies.

00:48:06.260 It's great.

00:48:06.980 It's why music people care about music, right?

00:48:09.080 I mean, it's because that, that part of you is real and it's great in those moments.

00:48:13.560 It was designed for those moments where you might die in the, you know, you're a caveman.

00:48:18.040 You've got a club.

00:48:19.440 Do I hit the saber tooth tiger with the club or not?

00:48:22.860 That's what it's designed for.

00:48:24.140 All right.

00:48:24.320 So it, the problem is, um, and I agree with everything you just said.

00:48:28.360 Um, the problem is, is that it's not, the blame is not on thinking fast or thinking slow.

00:48:35.840 That's neither one of those are the problem or the cure.

00:48:39.900 However, the problem is we're not doing both it's, it's, you know, um, a bird can't fly

00:48:48.980 with only one wing.

00:48:50.740 Um, I don't want to live in a world without any liberals because art and everything else 0.97

00:48:58.240 will really suck. 0.99

00:49:00.100 Really, really suck. 1.00

00:49:01.960 Music will suck. 1.00

00:49:03.620 Television and movies will suck. 1.00

00:49:05.880 Okay. 0.90

00:49:06.460 I don't want to live in that, but I also don't want to live in that.

00:49:09.880 In a world, I always bring this back to a theater.

00:49:12.760 I want all the liberals on stage because you're going to do a show and it's going to be great

00:49:17.280 and it's going to be wonderful.

00:49:18.240 We're going to pack the house every night and everybody's going to love it and you'll

00:49:21.020 piss some people off, but it'll generally be great.

00:49:25.160 However, get away from the box office because if you get into the accounting in the box office,

00:49:32.580 we're going to be broke.

00:49:33.940 I want all the conservatives, all the slow thinkers.

00:49:37.420 I want them in the front of the house.

00:49:39.380 You're back of the house.

00:49:40.640 Okay.

00:49:41.920 We need each other.

00:49:43.480 And to be clear, because of the title of that book, it comes off as strange.

00:49:46.540 Slow thinkers doesn't mean they're slow.

00:49:48.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:48.880 It means that you take your time and consider.

00:49:51.720 Well, let me give you an example of how it works in reverse.

00:49:54.760 Okay.

00:49:55.160 Everybody thinks that the atomic bomb, how this is sold to us is that we just bombed Japan

00:50:03.660 because we had this bomb and we couldn't wait to use it and we just dropped it on them because, 0.86

00:50:10.420 well, they're yellow mongrels. 1.00

00:50:13.020 And so we got to kill them all. 1.00

00:50:14.640 Right. 1.00

00:50:14.760 That was the theory of the time in some of the propaganda.

00:50:19.180 We've played it before.

00:50:20.460 Yes.

00:50:20.980 Yes.

00:50:21.680 However, that's the exact opposite of the people who designed the bomb.

00:50:26.660 The bomb was designed with very slow thinking.

00:50:30.840 And as they got closer and closer to perfection of the bomb, they all thought, I don't know

00:50:37.300 if we should do this.

00:50:38.560 And so they went to the president and they said, I don't think we should do this.

00:50:43.020 And they slowed thinking down even more and said, let's count the number of people that

00:50:50.860 we think will die if we don't use the bomb and the number of people that will die if we

00:50:57.580 do use the bomb.

00:50:58.860 And let's not just count our side.

00:51:00.720 Let's call it.

00:51:01.600 Let's count the Japanese as well.

00:51:04.220 That's how that decision was made.

00:51:06.340 It was not like we got a new bomb. 1.00

00:51:08.840 Let's kill those yellow bastards. 1.00

00:51:11.300 We didn't do that. 1.00

00:51:12.840 We didn't do that.

00:51:14.260 We knew what we had and we used slow thinking, but they're accusing us of only using fast thinking.

00:51:24.320 Okay.

00:51:24.840 Now, the left loves fast thinking because fast thinking gets them everywhere because the facts

00:51:31.720 are not on their side.

00:51:33.480 And they want the fast thinking.

00:51:34.440 A perfect example of this.

00:51:35.700 And you'll recognize it immediately after every mass shooting.

00:51:39.120 What do they do?

00:51:39.980 Guns.

00:51:41.300 Guns, guns, guns, guns, guns.

00:51:42.700 And immediately.

00:51:43.620 Why?

00:51:44.360 Because if you're thinking slow, and again, that means over a long period of time where

00:51:49.560 you think out every option and what these things mean, you come to the conclusion, well, you

00:51:54.480 look at the stats.

00:51:55.380 The violence is dropping.

00:51:56.560 These are very rare incidents.

00:51:57.800 There's all the arguments that you hear on talk radio in the weeks after a mass shooting.

00:52:02.440 Those are arguments that are not emotional.

00:52:05.580 They're based on fact.

00:52:07.880 And this is why you hear this every other time.

00:52:11.480 One year anniversary of X shooting.

00:52:14.440 You know, I just, we thought we were going to get this done this time and nothing happened.

00:52:18.980 It's like, well, no.

00:52:20.000 You thought you were going to get this done because you want to heighten the emotion of

00:52:22.980 the incident.

00:52:23.480 You want people's emotion to overwhelm their factual thinking.

00:52:27.720 And then you can get your thing done.

00:52:29.820 And once it's done, it's in place and you're done with the problem.

00:52:33.080 Okay.

00:52:33.240 I want to explain this really simply in a different way.

00:52:37.360 And then we're going to take a one minute break and I'm going to come back and I'm going

00:52:40.060 to show you it in action.

00:52:41.540 Okay.

00:52:41.940 If you want to win, if you want to change the game, you have to change the way we present

00:52:50.640 ourselves.

00:52:51.500 All right.

00:52:51.880 I want you to think of that theater idea that I just gave you, that all the liberals

00:52:57.940 are on the stage doing a great show.

00:52:59.780 Okay.

00:53:00.620 And, and we know that we know that generally speaking arts and entertainment generally

00:53:06.900 lean left.

00:53:07.860 Okay.

00:53:08.340 There's something, I don't know what it is, but that's what happens in touch with their

00:53:12.580 emotions.

00:53:12.960 Correct.

00:53:13.480 And generally speaking, uh, mathematics and, and business people lean right again, generally

00:53:22.000 speaking.

00:53:22.520 So we know that the left is attracted to emotion.

00:53:28.260 The right is attracted to facts, fast thinking on the stage, back of house, slow thinking.

00:53:36.740 We also know for a theater to work, it has to have both.

00:53:42.860 So we need each other, but what are we doing?

00:53:47.320 What we're doing is the left will say, here's a problem.

00:53:52.440 And immediately fast sink thinking.

00:53:55.020 We have to help them.

00:53:56.400 We have to help them.

00:53:57.480 We have to do whatever we can to help them, help them, help them, help them.

00:54:01.960 Then they usually skip over the math.

00:54:06.460 You're hearing this now with the new green deal where they'll say, well, it doesn't matter.

00:54:10.940 Does it matter how much it costs?

00:54:12.880 Well, yes, it does.

00:54:13.880 Yes, it does.

00:54:14.840 It's just a benefit analysis, not a cost benefit analysis.

00:54:17.660 Right.

00:54:17.840 We have to know what it's going to cost because we need to know, is that the best use of our

00:54:24.900 money and our resources to help that problem? 0.99

00:54:29.000 Or are there, are there other problems that we can really impact for the same amount of money?

00:54:34.180 And is there any other way we can help those people without some big government program?

00:54:40.320 So once you do the math, remember, front of the house, the stage, they're telling you the story

00:54:47.640 and everybody's saying, we got to help them, which is good and natural.

00:54:53.680 Then they will tell you, don't pay attention to the people, you know, in the front of the house

00:54:59.100 because they're just evil money grubbers and they don't really care about what we care here on the stage.

00:55:03.580 And so they convince people not to do the math.

00:55:08.180 If the people, if the audience does the math, you have a moral case against socialism.

00:55:14.440 You have a moral case against what they're preaching on the stage.

00:55:20.120 And it kind of feels bad.

00:55:23.480 Now, let me reverse it.

00:55:25.520 Let's say you're standing in the lobby.

00:55:29.140 The show hasn't started yet.

00:55:30.860 And you find out about some big crisis.

00:55:33.820 The, the bean counters, the right, they're going to say, you know what?

00:55:38.200 We got a real problem here.

00:55:39.360 Look at the numbers.

00:55:40.300 Look at the numbers.

00:55:41.460 My gosh, the numbers are showing us that, well, what we're doing right now is going to

00:55:45.680 eventually go into this direction and it's just going to crash.

00:55:48.440 And we really shouldn't help without really engaging on the emotional level.

00:55:53.540 And so everybody's like, I don't care what the, what are they even talking about?

00:55:58.700 I don't care.

00:56:00.600 Then they go into the theater and they hear the emotional plea and they say, that makes me feel good.

00:56:08.000 I want to help.

00:56:09.360 These bean counters, they're heartless. 1.00

00:56:11.800 But if you, if you order it correctly, where you talk about the heart and the emotion, then you do the math.

00:56:22.260 Then you have a moral case for capitalism.

00:56:27.800 Not the only case you can make on socialism is a feeling case of socialism.

00:56:35.720 A moral case.

00:56:37.940 We say an economic case.

00:56:39.760 No, a moral case for capitalism.

00:56:42.780 And let me show you this in action and how we should be arguing when we come back in one minute.

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00:59:11.000 Let's take the border issue.

00:59:14.340 We look at the border issue, and we see the facts.

00:59:19.360 We see the facts that more crime.

00:59:24.140 We see the facts of people who are citizens who are losing their children.

00:59:29.680 We see the fact of what it means to our economy, not just the job thing, but also what it means to our economy with all the free stuff that we're giving illegal aliens now. 0.99

00:59:46.640 Okay?

00:59:47.400 It's really crippling us.

00:59:49.060 We see these people coming that want to overturn America, coming with ill intent in America, and changing us fundamentally.

00:59:59.680 Now, a lot of those things have real emotions attached to them, but we're not good at talking about that.

01:00:06.680 We're just not good at it.

01:00:08.920 When I went down to the border, I told you about how they were keeping kids in cages.

01:00:15.300 Media didn't want to hear about it.

01:00:16.900 But we were so wound up in the, don't talk about them.

01:00:25.740 Don't humanize this, because then people will feel bad for them.

01:00:30.160 And what are you doing?

01:00:31.320 You're helping the border people.

01:00:32.780 No.

01:00:33.580 No.

01:00:34.000 I'm speaking the language, the heart language of probably 70% of the country.

01:00:44.120 70% of the country feels first.

01:00:49.100 And on talk radio, we don't feel first.

01:00:53.520 But most people do.

01:00:56.420 Donald Trump understands this.

01:00:59.240 Feel first.

01:01:00.740 Now, conservatives feel, should feel first, then pause, and enter into slow thinking.

01:01:12.240 I want to show you a guy who I think is a fast and slow thinker.

01:01:17.220 Crenshaw.

01:01:18.620 Listened to him yesterday talking about the border.

01:01:22.140 There's been a lot of red herrings that have been thrown out there to argue these points.

01:01:27.060 Drugs like fentanyl come through points of entry.

01:01:29.240 Yes, we know.

01:01:29.900 You would agree with that, right?

01:01:31.700 Yes.

01:01:32.380 Does that have anything to do with the conversation about whether we need barriers between points of entry?

01:01:36.520 It does not, because it's not an either or.

01:01:38.920 There's always the conversation about, we just need more technology,

01:01:42.780 because then the border agents can just chase people around,

01:01:46.280 because we can sense them coming through.

01:01:49.360 Is that the only solution, or do you need that plus barriers plus personnel?

01:01:54.820 We need all three.

01:01:55.800 We also need the ability to detain and remove when there's no legal right to stay.

01:01:59.400 There's a point often made that the border crossings are the lowest in years.

01:02:03.020 We had about 400,000 last year, although that's quickly on the rise of, as you've noted, 76,000 just this last month.

01:02:11.420 The point is often made that because it's lower than in the year 2000, that there's no crisis.

01:02:16.860 Is that accurate?

01:02:17.440 Sir, is 400,000 a year a low number?

01:02:20.100 Sir, it's not, but again, if I could, respectfully, it's because of the flow.

01:02:26.160 It's because these are families.

01:02:28.940 It's because these are children.

01:02:30.660 That is why it's a crisis.

01:02:32.520 It's a terrible, horrific journey that they undertake.

01:02:35.500 And let's get to that.

01:02:38.280 As these arguments are made against points that, frankly, we're not even making,

01:02:44.000 you mentioned the children and why that's the nexus of this crisis.

01:02:49.120 Why does that happen?

01:02:51.040 Is it because of our asylum laws?

01:02:52.820 Is it because of the fact that if you bring a child across the border,

01:02:57.980 well, and I think as you mentioned this before,

01:02:59.960 if you bring a child with you, it's your ticket into the United States. 0.56

01:03:03.260 All you have to do is claim asylum.

01:03:05.340 Would you agree that our asylum process is completely taken advantage of?

01:03:08.580 Yes, sir.

01:03:10.460 Would you agree that if we were to put more resources at points of entry

01:03:14.140 so that we could humanely bring people in and hear their asylum case,

01:03:19.720 but not let them loose into the country,

01:03:22.620 would that dramatically reduce these illegal crossings as well?

01:03:25.540 Would that be part of the solution as well to reform the actual asylum process?

01:03:29.520 Yes.

01:03:29.860 Okay, now, this was cut, and I didn't hear the cut.

01:03:36.420 He danced around this, but what he said before is important.

01:03:41.560 This is all slow thinking.

01:03:43.060 We're talking about the number of drugs, number of guns, number of gangs,

01:03:46.500 number of people coming in, the children, okay?

01:03:49.400 Now he gets to the children.

01:03:51.080 But what he had said was this.

01:03:53.880 Now, this speaks to the heart.

01:03:58.240 Nobody tell me what he was really talking about tomorrow, okay?

01:04:03.520 Tell me what he was talking about tomorrow.

01:04:06.280 Let me tell you this story.

01:04:08.240 He started, he said, you know, there's some rightful anger about family separation,

01:04:13.960 but unfortunately it's myopic because nobody even talks about the other issues

01:04:17.420 that we might have when it comes to our humanity.

01:04:19.280 There was a young woman in my office yesterday.

01:04:22.260 She's from Mexico. 1.00

01:04:23.540 She's about 18 years old.

01:04:25.180 She was taken across our border, kidnapped about five years ago.

01:04:30.120 They were turned back twice by our border patrol.

01:04:33.180 On the third attempt, they made it through, and she was brought to New York City

01:04:36.680 where she was raped 30 times a day for five years. 1.00

01:04:41.700 Tell me which one you're going to remember tomorrow.

01:04:46.780 The number of people coming across the border or that story?

01:04:51.240 Look at my own staff cut that great argument, all intellectual,

01:04:58.440 and left on the table heart.

01:05:02.140 We've got to get into the front of the theater.

01:05:07.060 Fast thinking, then slow thinking.

01:05:10.580 We're doing it the opposite way, and you will never defeat it

01:05:15.140 unless you think fast first.

01:05:19.540 You're listening to Glenn Beck.

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01:06:32.140 Today, we've been talking about fast thinking and slow thinking.

01:06:44.640 The fast thinking is the emotional.

01:06:47.180 We got to do something.

01:06:49.160 And that is normal, and it is valuable, really valuable.

01:06:55.160 You know, when people get into the normalcy bias, they die.

01:06:58.140 The people who tried to make an airplane flying into the World Trade Center into something

01:07:05.600 normal, which is also normal.

01:07:07.960 It's called the normalcy bias.

01:07:09.640 Those people who said, you know what?

01:07:11.920 I've got to first go turn off the lights in my office.

01:07:14.280 They died.

01:07:15.260 The people who reacted normally, not necessarily rationally, normally saying, we got to get

01:07:23.340 out of here.

01:07:23.980 They lived.

01:07:24.900 So fast thinking is really important, but slow thinking, looking at the facts, has to

01:07:33.580 be coupled with it.

01:07:35.000 Like I said, you know, if all the liberals are doing the show on stage, which they're

01:07:39.620 best at, and the theater is being run by a bunch of bean counters who are slow thinkers 0.93

01:07:44.260 who are generally on the right, that's important.

01:07:47.500 We need each other.

01:07:48.800 We have to have each other.

01:07:49.960 Otherwise, we're going to have great shows and no money or lots of money and no shows.

01:07:54.900 So we need each other.

01:07:56.640 Fast thinking and slow thinking must be coupled.

01:08:01.780 Slow thinking requires differing opinions.

01:08:07.120 And I want to talk to you about something.

01:08:11.300 I want to talk to you here about vaccinations, but I do not want to get into the vaccination

01:08:15.980 thing.

01:08:16.540 I am a big believer in vaccinations.

01:08:18.680 A lot of people aren't fine.

01:08:21.820 That's a difference in opinion.

01:08:24.220 But we have entered a place.

01:08:26.660 Adam Schiff has come out and said that he believes that we should silence the government.

01:08:32.640 Google, YouTube, Facebook, and all of these, all of Amazon should restrict anti-vaxxers,

01:08:42.700 if you will, any information that does not fall into line with what the government studies

01:08:47.800 show on vaccinations.

01:08:50.160 That's extremely dangerous.

01:08:53.740 One of the guys who has put together a documentary called Vaxxed is Del Bigtree.

01:09:05.420 He's one of the preeminent voices of the vaccine risk awareness movement all around the world.

01:09:10.320 He's a founder of the nonprofit, the Informed Consent Action Network, and he is one of the

01:09:16.840 first to be banned.

01:09:18.260 Welcome to the program, Del.

01:09:20.120 Thank you very much, Glenn.

01:09:21.340 Thank you for having me.

01:09:22.180 And thank you for discussing this very important issue.

01:09:24.740 Yeah, and I want to talk to you, Del, about what happens, I mean, first of all, what you

01:09:31.140 were told and how this is impacting you and the voices of reasonable people, and forget

01:09:37.740 it, even unreasonable people, just affecting the voices of anybody who believes differently

01:09:45.220 than the federal government.

01:09:47.300 Well, we've seen this throughout history.

01:09:49.200 I mean, every time, you know, a government really begins to fail, it starts to use coercion

01:09:53.780 and then bullying, then ultimately, I believe this is book burning.

01:09:56.960 This is a fear that the information that is against the perspective of the government,

01:10:02.300 if it's out there, it's dangerous.

01:10:04.820 And oftentimes, we look out, you know, through history, governments start seeing themselves

01:10:09.240 as the victim against, you know, other information, or in my case, I would say truth.

01:10:16.480 You know, I made a documentary about a whistleblower at the CDC that came forward and said that

01:10:21.780 they had committed scientific fraud on the MMR autism study and that they knew that vaccine,

01:10:28.140 the MMR vaccine could be causally linked to autism in that study, and they covered it up

01:10:32.880 and hid it from the people.

01:10:34.040 It wasn't my opinion.

01:10:35.280 I'm a document, you know, I made a documentary.

01:10:37.780 I put people in front of a camera.

01:10:39.280 I let them speak their truth.

01:10:41.040 Dr. William Thompson still works the CDC.

01:10:44.220 He is still protected by whistleblower status.

01:10:46.660 So, how is it that that is misinformation, which is what this is being called?

01:10:52.300 So, yeah, censorship at Amazon, they pulled all, you know, we were on Amazon Prime.

01:10:56.480 Anybody could watch it.

01:10:57.500 You could stream it.

01:10:58.720 And now it's been pulled.

01:11:00.420 And, you know, I think that that's a dangerous step when the government starts getting involved.

01:11:04.560 Look, we know Amazon is a private company.

01:11:06.980 They can do what they want.

01:11:08.080 When government officials start pressuring private companies and industries to do their bidding

01:11:15.360 or to censor people, then you're moving into a very, very dangerous place.

01:11:20.700 I mean, it may not be dangerous in China or Iran, but here in America, where we're supposed

01:11:25.500 to have freedom of speech, that is shocking and terrifying.

01:11:30.000 So, Delvin, what are you going to do about this?

01:11:32.980 What is your recourse?

01:11:34.380 Well, my recourse is to continue doing what I've been doing for the last three years,

01:11:39.160 which is continuing to investigate our government, our health agencies, to I've won two lawsuits

01:11:45.060 against the Health Agency of America.

01:11:47.020 I've won a lawsuit against the National Institute of Health.

01:11:49.500 I won a lawsuit against Health and Human Services, proving that they are not doing the safety

01:11:54.280 research demanded by the laws of this country when it comes to vaccines.

01:11:59.680 Also, just so you know, I think that the DVD sales of Vaxx have gone through the roof.

01:12:05.920 We're rating higher than we ever have because people in America and around the world still

01:12:10.940 have blood pumping through their veins.

01:12:13.260 And when they're told they can't look at something, they become curious.

01:12:16.820 I mean, this is what happened with the film in the beginning.

01:12:18.700 We got kicked out of Tribeca Film Festival after having been accepted.

01:12:22.800 And then Robert De Niro came out and defended the film.

01:12:25.540 And even after Robert De Niro defending the film, the pharmaceutical sponsor of Tribeca,

01:12:30.560 the Sloan Foundation, ended up pushing us out.

01:12:33.680 And there was nothing Robert De Niro could do.

01:12:35.920 That censorship drove more curiosity and made Vaxxed one of the biggest movies on vaccine risk

01:12:43.040 around the world.

01:12:44.200 There's been bomb threats in theaters around the world where Vaxxed has tried to be screened.

01:12:49.820 And so, obviously, there's something in this movie that, you know, governments do not want

01:12:54.980 you to see, that the pharmaceutical industry do not want you to see.

01:12:58.840 And that curiosity is driving.

01:13:00.820 We're going to have the biggest sales this month than we've had in the last three years

01:13:04.780 since we first toured with it in 2016.

01:13:08.200 Then you would, then the argument on the other side would be, then we're doing you a favor.

01:13:14.260 They are doing us a favor, but they're not doing the Constitution a favor.

01:13:18.100 And they're not doing a favor for the future of America.

01:13:21.260 I'm not worried about sales of my film.

01:13:23.600 That's not what this is about.

01:13:24.700 We are talking about censorship.

01:13:27.180 We are talking about, in this country right now, we are taking away, there's multiple states,

01:13:33.060 there's a push by the federal government, both a congressional hearing and a Senate hearing,

01:13:37.120 to take your right to choose what's injected into your children away.

01:13:41.720 We're seeing it in states all across the country, to take your ability to opt out of this vaccine

01:13:47.160 program away.

01:13:48.140 Let's take vaccines out of this discussion, Glenn.

01:13:51.060 We are talking about turning our children into government property of the United States

01:13:56.100 government, meaning the government overrides your decision as a parent.

01:14:00.400 They can inject your child with whatever they want, whenever they want, however they want.

01:14:05.460 How, when we look back at history in Nazi Germany and China, how do we think that it would be

01:14:11.740 intelligent to give our government control of our bodies?

01:14:15.240 And by the way, it's not going to end with children.

01:14:17.800 There's a policy called Healthy People 2020 that Health and Human Services put together,

01:14:22.980 which is a forced vaccination program for every adult in America.

01:14:27.060 So children are only the beginning.

01:14:28.600 If we step onto this slippery slope, we are talking about not controlling our bodies,

01:14:34.380 not having the right to say, I don't know what's in that shot you're about to give me.

01:14:39.360 I don't want it.

01:14:40.300 I don't want my child to have it.

01:14:41.820 Is it really outrageous or preposterous to think that we shouldn't have the right to stop

01:14:47.000 injections coming into our own bodies from a government agency?

01:14:50.100 When it comes to things and see, this is where I may disagree with you on vaccines, but I am really torn and I'm in your favor when it comes to choosing yourself.

01:15:06.160 But I am torn because we do have a social contract with each other for things like polio.

01:15:12.880 I mean, we got rid of polio.

01:15:15.640 Now it's coming back.

01:15:16.960 It's because people are saying, I don't want that.

01:15:19.720 Well, OK, does that affect me and my children as well?

01:15:24.780 I mean, I don't want to have leper colonies where the people who don't have the vaccine have to go off and be in a leper colony.

01:15:32.720 I also don't want a country where they're telling me I have to have this.

01:15:39.260 I mean, I have to have this RFID chip put in me because it it makes for, you know, commerce and it makes makes them able to track me.

01:15:50.180 It's for my safety.

01:15:51.300 You know, they put this chip in now.

01:15:54.080 The doctor can monitor my heart and everything else.

01:15:56.760 I don't want any of that stuff.

01:15:58.520 And you have a right to say, no, it is your body.

01:16:02.740 That's absolutely right.

01:16:03.800 And I just I want to correct one statement.

01:16:06.500 Polio is not coming back. 0.97

01:16:07.940 You made that statement.

01:16:09.000 There's no polio in America.

01:16:10.380 And the only cases of polio around the world right now are vaccine strain polio.

01:16:15.300 They're being caused by the vaccination program in third world countries. 0.94

01:16:18.540 Those are the facts.

01:16:19.700 What we are talking about, though, is measles.

01:16:21.560 And perhaps that's what you meant, was they're saying that measles is coming back.

01:16:25.420 And that's not true either.

01:16:26.640 Actually, when you look at the scientific definition of eradication,

01:16:30.060 that they accept that there will still be swings of measles outbreaks up to like a couple thousand is still inside of considering it to have been eradicated.

01:16:41.520 So a couple hundred people with measles is acceptable.

01:16:44.220 It sits within the realm of still eradicated.

01:16:48.440 But the point I think that you're trying to make is that is there a danger to vaccines?

01:16:52.880 And I know you don't want to really get into this conversation.

01:16:55.340 And anyone that really wants to get into that, they can watch the talk show I do every week called The High Wire.

01:16:59.960 I'll be on at 11 a.m.

01:17:01.120 Today, every Thursday, I go on Pacific Time.

01:17:03.840 And I discuss exactly that.

01:17:05.440 But the numbers aren't real, Glenn.

01:17:07.160 We're being lied to about how the numbers work.

01:17:10.140 The safety of vaccines is what I want to talk about.

01:17:13.160 I mean, in the end, we can talk about infectious disease, which is all the CDC wants to discuss is we've eradicated measles.

01:17:19.240 But if we've eradicated measles and caused one of the greatest autoimmune disease crises of our time, neurological disorders through the roof.

01:17:27.820 When we were getting 10 vaccines in the 1980s, Glenn, we had 12.8 percent chronic illness in our children.

01:17:35.580 Now that we give 72 vaccines by the time you're 18, that rate has gone up to 54 percent of America's children have a chronic illness, either an autoimmune disease or a neurological disorder.

01:17:47.320 That is a crisis of astronomical proportions.

01:17:49.940 And the same point, in 1960, you had a death rate of measles of 1 in 10,000.

01:17:54.940 That's a zero.

01:17:55.920 That's a zero.

01:17:56.800 That's a tiny fraction.

01:17:58.040 At the same time, your rate of autism was 1 in 10,000.

01:18:01.880 That means 400 children in 1960 would have been diagnosed with autism.

01:18:06.700 Today, this year, 100,000 children are going to be diagnosed with autism.

01:18:11.520 It has grown to 1 in 36 children.

01:18:14.760 Measles is still at 1 in 10,000.

01:18:16.600 And you can listen to scientists telling you that it's been debunked, vaccines don't cause autism, except there's whistleblowers coming out all over the place, including Dr. William Thompson from the CDC.

01:18:27.340 Dr. Andrew Zimmerman was a leading neurologist working for the government.

01:18:31.880 He's come out and said there is a mechanism by which vaccines cause autism.

01:18:35.760 The science is crumbling around this point, and that's why they're trying to shut us up.

01:18:39.900 I disagree.

01:18:41.820 Well, let's talk the facts.

01:18:43.140 No, no, that's not what you're on.

01:18:44.940 That's not what we put you on for.

01:18:46.640 I'm not going to get into the middle of it.

01:18:49.160 If people want to find the facts, they know where you are.

01:18:51.480 I am here to say that freedom of speech, you have the right to say these things.

01:18:58.200 You have the right to not have your voice silenced.

01:19:01.900 You have the right to do it.

01:19:03.840 And it is important for a civil society if we are to be thinking human beings to have access to the views that we don't necessarily like or agree with.

01:19:17.660 We must be able to access those.

01:19:21.680 And that is the real issue here for me is Del Big Tree should not be silenced.

01:19:28.740 You should not be silenced.

01:19:30.420 And you silence this guy because, well, that's crazy talk.

01:19:34.500 Well, once they get rid of the ones that you think are crazy, who's next?

01:19:39.400 You eventually lose your own ability to speak.

01:19:42.560 And it is real and it is happening.

01:19:45.520 We must stand against anything that goes against individual liberty because that is truly what made America great.

01:19:55.700 Del, thank you so much.

01:19:56.920 God bless.

01:19:57.440 You can find Del Big Tree at ICanDecide.org.

01:20:04.500 Took a great restraint from Stu.

01:20:06.740 Great restraint from Stu because it's our commercial this half hour.

01:20:09.840 Glad we have anything.

01:20:10.900 You really are not going to you're not going to you're not going to present the other side.

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01:21:47.280 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:21:58.740 I'm really saddened by the announcement with Alex Trebek.

01:22:05.860 You're not a fan of Alex Trebek?

01:22:07.900 Oh, I think he's great.

01:22:08.680 I mean, I can't say that I watch Jeopardy all that often.

01:22:11.580 You used to watch it all the time.

01:22:12.360 Yeah, but still, he seems like a great guy.

01:22:15.120 Everything I've ever heard about him.

01:22:16.380 Yeah.

01:22:16.540 I used to, when I lived out West, when I was younger, I used to watch, my wife and I would watch Jeopardy every night.

01:22:24.880 What she didn't know is that I would be writing with somebody in New York.

01:22:30.400 And so they, while we were writing for the next day, he'd just give me all the answers for Jeopardy.

01:22:38.200 And so he'd just go, oh, by the way, on Jeopardy, this question's coming up.

01:22:41.900 Here's the answer.

01:22:42.620 And I'd just write it down.

01:22:44.120 And then a couple hours later, when Jeopardy would come on in my time zone, I seemed like a genius.

01:22:50.520 Never told her.

01:22:51.700 Never told her.

01:22:51.980 This was in Groundhog Day, wasn't it?

01:22:54.740 No, not Jeopardy.

01:22:55.260 Was it in Jeopardy?

01:22:55.960 Wasn't it in Jeopardy?

01:22:56.680 No.

01:22:56.940 In Groundhog Day?

01:22:57.460 I think it was.

01:22:58.040 Yeah.

01:22:58.240 And he knew all the answers.

01:22:59.140 Of course, that was a little bit of a different situation.

01:23:01.080 Yeah.

01:23:01.380 But you kind of perfected that in advance.

01:23:03.000 No, it's good.

01:23:03.820 And, you know, so if you know somebody in a time zone, a different time zone that's ahead of you, make sure you call them every day.

01:23:10.460 Talk about whatever it is and just get a few of the answers in Jeopardy and you're going to look like a genius.

01:23:14.400 And then, strangely, your marriage will break up and it'll be miserable and horrible.

01:23:18.840 Okay, so don't take any of this advice.

01:23:20.640 We just wish Alex Trebek all of the best.

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01:24:50.920 So, the Democrats just cannot decide whether they have a problem with anti-Semitism or not.

01:25:01.580 We're going to talk about that and we have a guy who has also just signed a loyalty pledge.

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01:25:09.960 Bernie Sanders joins us in just a moment.

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01:26:44.880 We are fortunate to once again have Bernie Sanders just stopping by.

01:26:58.780 Hello, Glenn.

01:26:59.420 How are you?

01:27:00.340 I'm very well.

01:27:01.040 I'm very strapping, feeling virile, young, good, energized by the campaign and the election and the goodwill of the American people.

01:27:08.120 Right.

01:27:08.380 Now you just signed a loyalty pledge.

01:27:10.120 I did.

01:27:10.660 Which means that what?

01:27:12.200 I signed a loyalty pledge saying that in the unlikely event that I lose the Democratic primary.

01:27:18.380 Yeah.

01:27:18.540 If I should lose the Democratic primary, I will not run as an independent.

01:27:22.420 I will stay as a Democrat.

01:27:24.200 And I've done that because I'm so confident that I will win.

01:27:26.460 And if not, I will win in the next election or the next one.

01:27:29.960 And I have decided also to pledge to keep running for president until at least 2072.

01:27:34.640 All right.

01:27:36.140 Well, I don't know if you've noticed this, but you are getting up there in a little long in the tooth.

01:27:42.500 My goal, Glenn, and I think the American people would agree with me, my goal is to have the same age as all of the other entrants to the presidential race combined.

01:27:51.740 And so I am rapidly approaching that, and I believe that will be peak Bernie.

01:27:55.880 Okay.

01:27:56.080 So now you are actually ahead.

01:27:57.980 Am I not mistaken on that?

01:27:59.860 I am winning in the polls.

01:28:00.660 That's true.

01:28:01.040 Winning in the polls right now.

01:28:02.040 Of the people that have announced.

01:28:03.060 Of the people that are announced, but one of the people that looks like he's going to announce and is beating you is Joe Biden.

01:28:10.380 Joe Biden, yes.

01:28:11.440 Joe Biden is the embodiment, the embodiment, Glenn, of the establishment, of an establishment that props up the top 1% of the top 1% of the top 1%.

01:28:21.360 Also, he has hair plugs.

01:28:22.620 And that man is corrupt, except when he is running against a Republican, in which case he is a valiant hero that I support and my good friend.

01:28:28.580 Okay.

01:28:29.160 So he is your good friend.

01:28:30.260 He is a quantum friend.

01:28:32.000 Right.

01:28:32.400 He is both a good friend when he is running against a Republican, but also a terrible person when running against Democrats.

01:28:38.600 Right.

01:28:38.820 Okay.

01:28:39.160 Quantum state plan.

01:28:39.940 I'm capable of these things.

01:28:40.860 Okay.

01:28:41.260 All right.

01:28:41.660 So, and he's, I mean, he's getting up there in years as well.

01:28:47.740 No, he is, in my opinion, he is wildly inexperienced and too young to become president.

01:28:54.500 He barely knows about football, about politics.

01:28:59.140 He's just, you know, he's just going around smilling people's collarbones.

01:29:01.960 That's what he does.

01:29:03.760 And he barely knows about football?

01:29:05.760 I know, Glenn, I'm actually, in addition to running for president, I'm writing a book on football.

01:29:10.080 Are you?

01:29:10.300 And I've told that you are not a huge football fan.

01:29:13.180 May I explain the game to you?

01:29:15.100 Sure.

01:29:15.640 I guess.

01:29:16.220 Yeah.

01:29:16.280 So, there is a big field.

01:29:18.780 It's reminiscent of the work and toil of the American agricultural sector done by good populists in the middle of the country.

01:29:25.940 And there are two teams.

01:29:27.040 Do you know who the two teams are, Glenn?

01:29:29.280 The two teams are the players and the owners.

01:29:32.760 Those are the teams.

01:29:33.620 There are two teams, the players and the owners, and all the people in the stands that are being lied to by thieving monsters that own the teams.

01:29:40.160 And once I'm president, they will get their due.

01:29:42.960 I am telling you that right now.

01:29:44.160 Well, wait.

01:29:45.420 First of all, that team is not on the field.

01:29:48.780 No, it's not on the field team.

01:29:50.060 It's a shadowy team.

01:29:51.100 It's a shadowy team.

01:29:52.220 It's a shadowy team.

01:29:53.240 And they've made it so it's a slanted field.

01:29:55.000 When you look at a football field, you're like, well, that's self-explanatory.

01:29:57.200 It's a putting green with white lines.

01:29:58.760 I get this, right?

01:29:59.500 No.

01:30:00.020 It's a slanted field.

01:30:01.060 Because you think, I'm going to kick the ball harder.

01:30:03.380 They'll give me more balls. 1.00

01:30:04.200 That's how football works.

01:30:05.020 No, you don't get more balls. 0.99

01:30:06.200 You kick as hard as you want. 0.99

01:30:07.320 The balls go to the rich people.

01:30:09.320 And that's football.

01:30:12.020 All right.

01:30:12.460 I don't think that.

01:30:13.020 I mean, I don't know anything about football, but I don't think that makes any sense at

01:30:15.940 all.

01:30:16.400 That I look it up.

01:30:18.520 Look it up.

01:30:19.280 Those are the rules of football if you actually look into it.

01:30:21.780 All right.

01:30:22.240 Okay.

01:30:22.740 Well, Bernie, it's I mean, it's it's been educational.

01:30:27.920 I thank you.

01:30:28.800 And Glenn, on that note, I would like to remind you that I have several policies that I think

01:30:33.340 your listeners would get behind.

01:30:34.520 First and foremost, I think everyone agrees that Medicare for all would be a very popular

01:30:38.280 policy for everyone on Earth.

01:30:40.240 And I remain dedicated to Medicare for all for everyone on Earth.

01:30:42.540 But on top of that, I believe that education is a priority in the United States.

01:30:47.540 It is not a luxury.

01:30:48.460 It is a right.

01:30:48.980 You have a right to education.

01:30:50.080 You have a right to any education, any time, however much you want, for however long you

01:30:55.020 want.

01:30:55.780 And I could go in.

01:30:56.660 I could go into college today.

01:30:58.420 You could.

01:30:58.700 Well, Glenn, in your case, you would you would have to go into college today.

01:31:01.580 I would have to go in.

01:31:02.780 Yes.

01:31:03.180 I believe that college should be voluntary or obligatory.

01:31:06.620 And I will.

01:31:07.400 In your case, I think that there are certain things you would like.

01:31:09.780 It would benefit you to know them.

01:31:11.740 So wait a minute.

01:31:12.160 So so would I go to like Harvard or Yale or, you know, someplace like that or Harvard and

01:31:18.580 Yale will be destroyed under my plan.

01:31:20.180 They are they are they are they are OK.

01:31:21.840 Pupa pupa engorged centers of breeding for the one percent.

01:31:25.280 No more.

01:31:25.780 No more of them.

01:31:26.700 Everything's community college.

01:31:27.860 Everything will be divided.

01:31:28.880 So Harvard will be eight community colleges.

01:31:30.460 And yes, you would be locked in one of those until you came to your senses.

01:31:33.140 OK, wait a minute.

01:31:34.240 So it's like a reeducation.

01:31:35.680 It's not sort of.

01:31:36.480 Yes.

01:31:36.700 You would be reading a lot of canes and and you would be forced to wear a Che Guevara

01:31:41.220 T-shirt.

01:31:41.860 OK.

01:31:42.600 All right.

01:31:43.260 OK, Bernie, best of luck to you.

01:31:45.280 And I mean, thank you.

01:31:46.300 Thank you.

01:31:46.480 I appreciate it.

01:31:47.620 Bernie Sanders on the program once again.

01:31:52.160 Stu, let me let me let me bring back to the thing that you talked about earlier about

01:32:00.660 emotions sucking. 0.81

01:32:02.600 Yes. 0.90

01:32:03.980 Yeah.

01:32:04.780 Basically, I believe much of the problem that we many of the problems that we have in this

01:32:09.860 country are based on the idea that we let emotion and feelings overwhelm, you know,

01:32:18.560 facts and rational argument.

01:32:19.800 And you brought up a great point about how the border is argued and which people will

01:32:26.060 remember the stories about the border and that will help move them to the correct policy.

01:32:30.900 And then you give them the facts afterwards.

01:32:32.500 And I agree with your approach.

01:32:34.400 I think it is necessary to do.

01:32:35.960 I'm just complaining about the fact that it's necessary to do.

01:32:39.940 I just think that, you know, we it's a it's a human failing.

01:32:44.280 Oh, it's not.

01:32:45.460 It is. 0.99

01:32:46.460 Feelings suck in many ways. 0.96

01:32:48.580 Feelings are great. 0.97

01:32:49.400 And they're great for certain things, just not for the things we apply them to in the

01:32:54.100 United States, which is, you know, oh, well, I heard the story about some, you know, a poor

01:33:01.200 person in in some region and they can't get help.

01:33:05.580 And therefore, capitalism is evil.

01:33:07.540 Right.

01:33:07.700 Like we take this and we misapply feelings.

01:33:12.860 Feelings are great for, as you kind of mentioned, theater, right?

01:33:16.040 Go to the theater.

01:33:17.020 You love loving your wife and family.

01:33:19.400 No, but this is what I would see.

01:33:20.860 This is one of the reasons why we continually lose.

01:33:24.120 See, what they do is they present the left presents something that makes you feel.

01:33:29.040 Then they immediately tie that to a solution, which is usually socialism and is wrong.

01:33:35.260 Right.

01:33:35.500 Okay.

01:33:35.900 Yes.

01:33:36.380 What we do is we come out with the solution.

01:33:39.340 Well, think of.

01:33:41.140 Think of America being 80% woman. 0.97

01:33:50.180 Okay.

01:33:51.100 Okay.

01:33:51.760 Sometimes they just want you to listen and not solve the problem.

01:33:58.000 And what men do is they'll, you know, you'll come home and she's like, I just, you know, 0.98

01:34:03.500 I just, I just don't feel like I have time to do everything in the kids.

01:34:08.060 And then you immediately step in and go, honey, it's not that.

01:34:11.800 I tell you what, here's what we're going to do.

01:34:14.040 And then you like, they will maximize time, but cutting out these three activities that

01:34:18.020 you don't actually need.

01:34:18.840 And I can help you with these other two and we can assign these to this person and everything

01:34:22.000 will be fine.

01:34:22.500 And that's not what she wants.

01:34:23.840 It does not work.

01:34:24.720 It does not work.

01:34:26.160 And that's what conservatives are doing to the country.

01:34:29.800 We are sitting down and we're saying, and, and I'm not saying that those, those solutions

01:34:34.260 are wrong and that we should present those solutions.

01:34:37.020 But sometimes you just have to let it run its course.

01:34:41.240 Sometimes you have to validate it.

01:34:44.040 Sometimes you have to be leading the way.

01:34:47.360 You know what?

01:34:48.400 I understand how you feel.

01:34:50.340 Look at this.

01:34:51.280 And have you even thought of this? 0.97

01:34:53.200 Boy, I've been watching you and it's even more screwed up than you think.

01:34:56.580 You know, you, you, you have to enter into the, the heart of people first. 0.71

01:35:07.020 Everything you're saying is true.

01:35:08.740 I just think it's terrible that it's true.

01:35:10.440 No, but it's not.

01:35:11.140 It is.

01:35:11.840 No, it's not.

01:35:12.600 Yes.

01:35:13.060 You shouldn't need some emotional storyline.

01:35:15.600 Why are we, why are we in tribes right now?

01:35:19.720 Why are we so divided that, and we cannot listen to each other?

01:35:24.620 Because we are overly emotional and it takes over all the rest of the points that are being

01:35:30.500 made.

01:35:30.860 Yes.

01:35:31.280 No, no, we are.

01:35:32.260 We are, we all feel that we are under attack.

01:35:35.020 And so because of man's survival as a species, we have put ourselves into tribes and anybody

01:35:44.460 who comes into our tribe that is a problem, has a problem with a tribe and starts to divide

01:35:50.180 us, we immediately all regroup and get that person out of our tribe.

01:35:55.040 Okay.

01:35:55.740 That's just from thousands and thousands of years of humanity.

01:36:00.100 That's a good thing.

01:36:03.140 But if it's not balanced, it's a bad thing.

01:36:08.320 So if, if we are all reason, you know who you turn into?

01:36:13.860 Eugenicists.

01:36:14.840 I totally disagree with that.

01:36:17.060 All reason.

01:36:17.900 All reason.

01:36:19.240 No feeling.

01:36:19.880 No, that's not true at all.

01:36:20.600 Reason and principle have to be put together.

01:36:22.920 You have principle.

01:36:23.520 You don't just turn people, lose their individual rights.

01:36:26.480 Well, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:36:27.280 We're not, we're not giving that opportunity with, with, uh, uh, emotions because I'd say

01:36:34.880 to you, well, no emotions with principles.

01:36:37.920 I'm just saying the raw reason, the raw emotion bad.

01:36:43.620 I mean, but the reasoning behind eugenics was horrible and it was almost exclusively driven 1.00

01:36:48.380 by emotion. 0.99

01:36:49.300 It was driven by, I don't like black people. 1.00

01:36:52.160 I don't like Jews. 1.00

01:36:53.460 Therefore, but if you, but if you, if you, you could make a case on some really bad things

01:37:00.660 by saying, look, socialists do it all the time.

01:37:04.080 Look, we're doing it right now with vaccines, shut people up and force everybody to take this

01:37:11.420 vaccine because vaccines are not dangerous.

01:37:15.380 They're just not dangerous.

01:37:17.500 So anybody who is slowing this down is actually harming society.

01:37:21.720 Well, you know how that ends.

01:37:23.380 And I know how that ends.

01:37:24.560 You start chipping away at man's right, especially man's right to control his own body.

01:37:28.760 That's a no go zone.

01:37:30.360 Okay.

01:37:30.940 So, but it's all reasonable to think that it's, it is one of those things that you're like,

01:37:35.180 well, I mean, we're struggling with it because I don't want to give away man's rights, but

01:37:40.400 we do have a social contract with each other, et cetera, et cetera.

01:37:43.760 So it just goes down that road.

01:37:46.600 You have to have both of them, but they have to be balanced.

01:37:51.920 You can't have just fear and no facts.

01:37:59.500 Right.

01:38:00.000 We certainly can't have fear and no facts.

01:38:01.740 That's a terrible combination.

01:38:02.720 Correct.

01:38:03.460 I think we could, on the overwhelming majority of cases, you can have facts with no fear.

01:38:11.240 You can just, it's just, I don't know about the overwhelming, at least not a lot of fear.

01:38:16.380 When you say balance, I think the issue is, is there a role in our lives for fear?

01:38:21.680 Yes.

01:38:22.160 And I don't want to do it just fear.

01:38:23.920 No, heart, whatever.

01:38:25.240 Yeah.

01:38:25.460 Like, I mean, there's a lot of cases where you have real sympathy for a victim of something.

01:38:29.760 We'll give it with a, with a step back for a second and think about terrible mass shootings.

01:38:36.320 Every single one of the, one of the worst days of my life, and this shows how tough my life

01:38:41.060 has been.

01:38:41.340 But I was reading about the, the new town thing several years after it happened, after

01:38:46.920 the shooting.

01:38:47.500 It is, it was, it is like gut wrenching to read.

01:38:51.420 It is completely pointless. 0.99

01:38:54.760 There wasn't even like the, the stupid, you know, some worldview being advanced. 0.99

01:38:59.380 It was just some guy doing something with no reason, and these are little children, and 0.99

01:39:04.760 it is, it is impossible to not think about that story.

01:39:08.140 And this is, you know, from my home state, it connects very intensely to me.

01:39:15.800 However, 0% of gun regulation should be made upon that because of that emotion.

01:39:21.820 0%, not 10%, 0%.

01:39:25.040 Because you can't, that's not how, that's not how you make policy.

01:39:28.600 Not disagreeing.

01:39:29.280 That's not how you form a society.

01:39:30.700 You have, the principle is going to be much more important there.

01:39:33.420 And I understand that like, you know, the left would say, well, that's the only way to

01:39:38.120 get people to move.

01:39:39.140 No.

01:39:39.660 And they try that all the time.

01:39:40.960 I'm not even saying that.

01:39:41.920 I'm saying that we are, it is unreasonable to say, we are two people.

01:39:47.380 Let me, let me, let me break for one minute and then come back.

01:39:49.880 And I, and I want to use the new town thing as an example.

01:39:52.720 Okay.

01:39:53.540 Because what you just said is really important, but not about gun control.

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01:41:51.980 What would you say, what would you say one of our biggest problems is, uh, socially right now?

01:42:14.920 What's missing in our, uh, debates with one another?

01:42:22.740 Uh, it's going to be a hard one to answer.

01:42:25.780 I would suggest empathy.

01:42:27.560 I mean, this shows where we are in this, uh, I would suggest reason.

01:42:33.440 Okay.

01:42:33.880 I would suggest empathy because we are also, we're also locked into our position because we all feel under attack that I'm not going to take the time.

01:42:46.400 I don't care what is, what your story is because you won't listen to my story.

01:42:52.100 You won't even listen to my pain.

01:42:53.740 You know what I mean?

01:42:54.720 And your, your, your policies, your things you're talking about, the people you support are causing my pain.

01:43:01.160 So I don't, I don't have natural empathy.

01:43:05.840 And, and, and when we are at our best, we say what our parents used to say in America.

01:43:11.740 You know, you don't know what's going on in their life.

01:43:14.440 Don't judge them.

01:43:15.560 Just, you know, everybody's different.

01:43:18.080 We're not like that anymore because we are lacking empathy.

01:43:22.020 So empathy is, empathy is natural and it is good.

01:43:28.820 When you hear about the shootings, um, the Newtown shootings, it is good for us to take the time and breathe.

01:43:39.060 Now, this is not what the left does.

01:43:41.580 Take the time and breathe and grieve.

01:43:45.440 That's normal, rational, and has to be done.

01:43:49.700 We have to empathize with the others, with the people that have been killed.

01:43:56.160 What happens is, um, people immediately start to use that because when you're in that state, you are very vulnerable.

01:44:07.840 You don't make any good decisions when you are, when you are mourning, when you're really sad, really upset.

01:44:14.480 You just never make any good decisions.

01:44:17.060 And so people know left or right, usually on the left, in my opinion, um, that we can attack right now.

01:44:26.000 The only time they ever really talk about real gun control is right as the country is still mourning.

01:44:31.780 Okay.

01:44:32.400 You would, you would, you would push those people out of your way.

01:44:36.400 If that was your funeral, you would say, get out of here.

01:44:40.100 Not an appropriate time.

01:44:41.700 So what we do is we almost come prepared for that argument and logic tells us we should come prepared because that's exactly what they're going to do.

01:44:54.140 But we look like we don't have any empathy because we immediately countercharge with facts, where instead we should do what they do when they're on the losing side, which is say, this is so inappropriate.

01:45:13.340 There are dead children.

01:45:17.560 We need to stay engaged in the feeling part to be able then to roll it into the, um, at the appropriate time, the facts.

01:45:29.620 We're, we're missing the obvious place to engage people.

01:45:34.360 And that is with heart.

01:45:37.260 You have to start there for 70% of the people.

01:45:40.320 And there's a lot to say, I think about all of this.

01:45:43.920 But again, I, I think this, my distinction stands here, which is I am, I am admitting the reality that you are right.

01:45:53.660 Yes.

01:45:53.980 You are right.

01:45:54.680 If you do not engage people with their heart, they will not listen to any of your other arguments.

01:45:59.040 That's just a human failing though.

01:46:01.120 That is a, the fact that these things get overwhelmed by emotion and people can't think that is, that is a problem with us that I wish and I hope someday gets cured.

01:46:11.220 I hope someday we figure out how not to do that.

01:46:14.140 And that's the only thing I have to disagree with you on.

01:46:17.420 I just, no, we just agreed.

01:46:19.840 You're listening to Glenn Beck.

01:46:22.680 Never argue with the host.

01:46:24.320 He always knows when the commercial is coming.

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01:47:19.480 As Glenn points out, never argue with the host of a show because he knows when the commercial is coming up.

01:47:26.940 But more specifically, don't argue with the person with the 10 seconds of tease right before the real commercial is starting right now.

01:47:32.080 Believe it.

01:47:34.460 You know, here's the thing.

01:47:41.100 You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

01:47:42.140 If you just joined us, we've been having this conversation off and on now for the last three hours.

01:47:48.120 And and Stu and I are are, I think, the prime example of my theory that I've been talking about.

01:48:02.100 If you want to win an argument, you cannot delve into facts first.

01:48:09.540 You must lead with heart because most people connect to things like that.

01:48:16.640 When you're just going out with a bunch of facts and figures, forget about it.

01:48:19.880 Why is socialism popular?

01:48:22.540 Because people aren't thinking they're feeling they're feeling.

01:48:26.620 And it is natural and good to see things in justice and say, this is this is horrible.

01:48:35.900 This is horrible.

01:48:36.740 Because it spurs you to action.

01:48:38.260 Correct.

01:48:38.740 Right.

01:48:38.900 And it and it and it is good and right to feel something when you see someone suffering.

01:48:47.060 Now, what you do with that, you know, right now, what you're doing is somebody should do something.

01:48:54.180 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:48:55.500 You should do something.

01:48:57.180 Right.

01:48:57.380 But you're saying it's it's good.

01:48:59.400 You say it's natural and good.

01:49:01.040 It's definitely natural.

01:49:02.840 I will give you that.

01:49:03.860 Is it good?

01:49:04.900 Why is it good?

01:49:05.800 It's good because what you're saying is it spurs people to action to actually care about these things and do something about it.

01:49:11.280 You become I just wish you didn't need that prompt because I agree with you.

01:49:14.860 That is how people are.

01:49:16.660 You know, the churches talk about this sometimes.

01:49:18.440 It's like, OK, well, you know, are you a charitable person?

01:49:21.860 Well, who's a charitable person?

01:49:23.440 The person who walks up to a homeless person, feels empathy, feels a story, gives them money and walks away.

01:49:30.680 Like I did something good today or the person who every single week gives money because they've had they have a plan and have given money.

01:49:38.340 And it's helped hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of homeless people because they've actually made a decision to do something over a long period of time.

01:49:45.140 OK, you're missing one category.

01:49:47.680 I'd like to add a third.

01:49:48.820 Sure.

01:49:48.940 Or is the person charitable that says, you know, this is horrible, that homeless person, you know, the government should do something.

01:50:01.780 And I that's why I'm for higher taxes.

01:50:05.200 OK, I would say that was the least effective.

01:50:08.240 I think both of the others are good.

01:50:11.140 They can both be good.

01:50:12.020 Right.

01:50:12.240 You know, I think they work at some level.

01:50:15.420 You could argue that they work in tandem.

01:50:17.640 But the story, however, should if it inspires people to action, that's why people do it.

01:50:22.600 And you're completely right.

01:50:23.720 People need it.

01:50:25.100 I just wish they didn't need it.

01:50:26.460 I just wish you could say, like, OK, you know, here's a here's a situation.

01:50:29.840 We know this is a bad situation.

01:50:30.960 How do we act in the most rational way possible to make that decision better?

01:50:35.200 And I think it's you know, you described a conversation earlier where you said you said you were talking about empathy.

01:50:41.360 And you said, well, one person, how do we feel when we're in these conversations?

01:50:44.960 Well, we feel like we're under attack.

01:50:46.100 We're not hearing each other.

01:50:47.080 One person says, well, you're always coming after me and you're not hearing me.

01:50:50.760 And then you said the other thing, the empathy would bring you to a point where you'd say, look, wait a minute.

01:50:55.760 Well, we don't know how that person feels.

01:50:57.420 Let's let's step back and think about it for a second.

01:51:00.280 And we don't know how that person feels.

01:51:01.900 We can't judge.

01:51:02.300 Let me listen.

01:51:02.840 I would argue what you're saying.

01:51:04.140 Yeah.

01:51:04.400 The second thing is actually the rational side. 1.00

01:51:07.620 The emotion and the feelings are the thing making you go, darn it, darn it, darn it. 1.00

01:51:15.780 I'm mad. 1.00

01:51:16.120 I don't want to hear you.

01:51:17.380 The rational side is the person stepping in and saying, wait a minute.

01:51:20.380 We don't know what they're what they're going through.

01:51:21.960 Let's think about the potential.

01:51:24.000 I did.

01:51:24.180 This happens all the time with my wife. 0.99

01:51:25.420 Every time someone parks too close to her, she wants to leave a nasty note on their on their on their windshield.

01:51:31.460 And she gets all pissed off and she starts texting me. 0.76

01:51:33.340 She sends me pictures of how badly they parked, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:51:36.520 And to me, there's a like, I, I always, of course, discourage this for multiple reasons, but one of which is, you know, look, you really don't know what's happening with them.

01:51:46.140 What happened?

01:51:46.800 Maybe the person who was there before you parked terribly. 0.98

01:51:49.600 Maybe, maybe that you put this on their, uh, their, uh, windshield, they see you do it and they pull out a gun and shoot you.

01:51:55.840 There's a hundred different reasons to not put that thing out there.

01:51:58.960 And it does no good to put it on the windshield at no point.

01:52:02.840 Does the person say, you know what?

01:52:04.320 Six months ago when that part, I saw that note and that makes me, I'm going to park a lot more carefully now.

01:52:09.700 There's no rational outcome to that.

01:52:11.400 It just makes you feel good in that moment.

01:52:13.440 And those are the types of things that we do, I think, in policy, uh, that really cause us problems.

01:52:18.920 We act out of fear.

01:52:19.980 We act out of emotion and the politicians in Washington know exactly what you're talking about, which is if we can, if we can get them lit up with an emotional story, we can do the things we want to do.

01:52:32.440 Correct.

01:52:32.720 I know you're not using it for that purpose, but they do.

01:52:35.520 I know.

01:52:35.900 And that's a problem.

01:52:36.420 I know.

01:52:36.680 And I'm not, I'm saying that we have to connect people on an emotional level.

01:52:42.060 Why did I miss Donald Trump?

01:52:44.300 Why did I miss so many people that listen to me for years going for Donald Trump?

01:52:49.920 Because I was thinking about everything logically on.

01:52:54.840 I'm worried about the next one.

01:52:56.620 What happens in 2020?

01:52:58.200 If this guy doesn't roll, the pendulum is going to swing and you're going to have even, even a more out of control guy than you had with, with Barack Obama.

01:53:08.840 Well, that's kind of what's happening.

01:53:10.840 But nobody was there at that time.

01:53:13.520 They, they were feeling under attack.

01:53:17.100 Right.

01:53:17.300 And they needed somebody to stand up for them.

01:53:20.400 And that's what they needed at the time.

01:53:22.960 Now, let me, let me go back to the, the theater thing where I said emotions on the stage.

01:53:32.240 Okay.

01:53:32.860 That moves an audience and that's generally left.

01:53:37.120 Generally right is just methodical thinking.

01:53:41.360 Okay.

01:53:42.700 You need both.

01:53:44.220 What I, what I'm, what I'm saying is you need both.

01:53:48.700 You have to feel.

01:53:52.580 And then you have to stop.

01:53:55.440 And look at the facts.

01:53:57.420 That's where we would win.

01:53:59.360 Because we always say we have the facts.

01:54:02.360 Yes.

01:54:02.900 But we don't tell the story.

01:54:05.980 So we have to have the story and the feeling first because that's where people are.

01:54:13.240 No, you're right.

01:54:13.980 That is where they are.

01:54:14.900 And to be effective, you are completely right.

01:54:16.800 That's how you do it.

01:54:17.280 But it's like, there's one time I want to go to the gym in my life.

01:54:19.820 And it's like right after Thanksgiving because I feel such like a, just a fat lump. 0.54

01:54:24.620 I feel so disgusting.

01:54:27.240 And then I drag myself to the gym for a week.

01:54:30.240 Well, the, the good thing here, it's your, I feel like you're arguing, well, yeah, but

01:54:34.800 you have to eat the huge meal to go to the gym.

01:54:37.340 So we have to feed them the nine pieces of pie or they'll never go to the gym. 0.79

01:54:41.560 And I say, you're right, but we should just go to the gym.

01:54:45.400 What I'm saying to you is, let me give you two examples.

01:54:48.640 Let me see if I can use it off of your example with going to the gym.

01:54:52.480 What I'm saying is, this is very difficult territory because we do not understand what

01:54:55.940 we're talking about when the gym is, I know, I know.

01:54:58.340 So we're going to get the gym thing wrong. 0.98

01:54:59.740 But what I'm saying is, no, no, no, Stu, people are going to feel like fat pigs. 0.98

01:55:06.300 Okay. 0.99

01:55:07.740 It would be nice if people didn't feel like fat pigs, but they're going to. 0.99

01:55:12.760 Right. 0.95

01:55:13.200 So if I'm just talking about the price of my gym, I'm going to miss it.

01:55:19.140 It's not going to be effective.

01:55:20.080 But if I'm like, Hey, you feeling like I feel big, fat, fatty, we got a deal for you.

01:55:25.860 Come on in. 0.70

01:55:26.620 Right.

01:55:26.940 And I think that this is exactly, I keep coming back to this, but like what you, you just,

01:55:30.200 you just said it, it would be nice if they just went to the gym.

01:55:32.380 That's my point.

01:55:33.760 It would be nice if we didn't need to do that because people looked at things rationally,

01:55:37.780 but they don't, there's an entire Daniel Kahneman's book, thinking fast and slow is completely

01:55:43.320 about this.

01:55:44.020 It is how people actually work.

01:55:46.280 Correct.

01:55:46.700 In reality.

01:55:47.400 So what I'm saying to you, let me give my last example is this entire hour has been a, a

01:55:57.040 perfect example of what I'm talking about.

01:55:59.540 Now, this show is, I am the guy, I'm the guy who's like, you know, I, I really think

01:56:09.780 that, that, uh, uh, Zuckerberg, I think he really wants to be a good guy.

01:56:16.140 I, I, I giving him the best.

01:56:18.080 And you're like, can we look at the facts?

01:56:22.100 It's good to have both.

01:56:24.200 It's good to have both.

01:56:26.020 I think, yes, I think life.

01:56:27.300 It's great to have both in life.

01:56:29.460 Yes.

01:56:29.940 In policy, in political arguments, not so much.

01:56:34.080 However, I would say it's nice that you've realized that both of us put together is a

01:56:38.400 rational human being, like a complete human being.

01:56:41.080 Yes.

01:56:41.340 Without, without the other, we are, we're a, we're a horrible cyclops, I think.

01:56:47.840 Yes.

01:56:48.380 Is that three eyes or one eye?

01:56:51.120 Uh, cyclops is one eye.

01:56:52.460 One eye.

01:56:52.940 Yeah. 0.69

01:56:53.380 We're a horrible cyclops.

01:56:54.260 Yeah.

01:56:55.240 All right.

01:56:55.760 We'll have to work that one out.

01:56:56.740 We need another, we need a third person.

01:56:58.760 We don't know cyclops.

01:56:59.980 We need a third person here and then we'll be a complete individual.

01:57:03.880 All right.

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01:58:07.600 You know, on tomorrow's program, I think I'm going to write the story of Ocasio-Cortez's

01:58:33.700 mother.

01:58:34.080 Um, you know, a lot of people saw that story and, uh, you know, and what they took away

01:58:40.700 from it.

01:58:41.020 What'd you take away from it, Stu?

01:58:42.700 Uh, well, the, the big takeaway was that she moved to Florida to avoid taxes, which was

01:58:47.500 very humorous considering, you know, her daughter just wants to raise them on everybody. 0.68

01:58:51.420 Right.

01:58:51.700 That's what I took too.

01:58:53.220 Um, however, in reading that story, you'll have great empathy and respect for her mother.

01:59:01.580 And there is a way to make this point in a way that would be effective to people who

01:59:10.180 feel it because anybody on the left, when they read that story, they're not going to

01:59:15.140 take away the taxes thing.

01:59:16.860 They're going to say, finally, she's got a break.

01:59:19.280 Right.

01:59:19.740 Finally, the system works so hard to raise this amazing daughter.

01:59:23.460 Right.

01:59:23.680 And now she finally gets a break from the evil capitalist system. 0.95

01:59:26.580 So tomorrow I'm going to tell you the story, um, based on just the story that's been released.

01:59:33.160 I'll tell you that story and then I'll make the case for capitalism using emotional triggers,

01:59:41.460 if you will, and facts to show you how to argue and how to see and empathize with the pain

01:59:51.960 people are in and the pain people feel there is a moral case for capitalism.

01:59:57.200 It's a great one.

01:59:58.380 It's a great moral case for capitalism.

02:00:00.920 And there is a great moral case against socialism.

02:00:05.240 And we are going to be doing in 10 years, five years, we're going to be doing one or the other.

02:00:10.380 We're either still going to be free market and we'll clean up some of the issues that we have,

02:00:15.460 or we are going to be state run and it, it, it, it, it's a moral case and the socialists

02:00:23.860 are making a moral case of it right now without any of the facts.

02:00:28.800 And we are making a fact driven case without any of the emotion.

02:00:34.500 Right.

02:00:35.060 We will lose.

02:00:35.860 Right.

02:00:36.120 And I, the whole hour has been basically about this where I think you're right.

02:00:39.240 I mean, I am completely arguing with you, uh, on what I think the way the world should be

02:00:45.200 not at the way the world is, the way the world is, is what I, what you're talking about.

02:00:48.840 And perception is reality.

02:00:50.940 It doesn't matter what the world should be.

02:00:53.240 Let me give you a great example.

02:00:54.080 I think of story versus fact argument that's happened very recently and shows where this

02:01:00.240 can go.

02:01:01.140 It's Brett Kavanaugh.

02:01:02.940 Yes.

02:01:03.440 They had a story.

02:01:04.820 This woman, this great achieving woman who came in and was abused by this frat boy guy

02:01:11.000 and, and, and did all these terrible things to her.

02:01:13.120 And what we said is, wait a minute, when, where was anyone around?

02:01:18.340 Do you have any witnesses?

02:01:19.600 We have a process here.

02:01:20.780 Have you done, have you even attempted to come up with a, with one person who can actually

02:01:25.220 corroborate that the party even occurred?

02:01:27.440 Actually not true.

02:01:28.900 We won because we didn't do that first.

02:01:32.380 First, first, the GOP for the first time did something right.

02:01:37.720 First, they said, oh my gosh, that is horrible.

02:01:41.600 If that's true.

02:01:43.020 And we certainly don't want anything to do with him.

02:01:45.740 If that's true.

02:01:47.020 So please come in and talk to us.

02:01:49.940 All right.

02:01:50.260 You're not going to talk to us.

02:01:51.120 Okay.

02:01:51.580 We're going to get this woman because we want to make sure you're comfortable and she does 1.00

02:01:56.080 this for a living.

02:01:57.040 And we just, boy, we are so sorry.

02:02:00.060 Remember how she was approaching this?

02:02:01.440 She's so sorry.

02:02:02.520 Then when the facts came out and started pulling the holes in it, then after that emotion,

02:02:08.740 after that hug, then Lindsey Graham said, this is wrong.

02:02:15.400 And, and capitalized on the emotion of an injustice.

02:02:21.500 They were putting up an emotion of an injustice.

02:02:25.480 We listened to that.

02:02:27.300 You started using reason and that pulled tolls and made this injustice that they were fighting

02:02:34.300 for an injustice that was even bigger.

02:02:37.840 We won because we played the story right.

02:02:42.020 And I think that's exactly the point of this, right?

02:02:43.900 Like that, those two things to win arguments in the United States of America.

02:02:47.700 I'm really anybody, any human being.

02:02:49.540 You have to have those two elements.

02:02:51.100 I mean, you know, it's a separate-

02:02:52.160 Facts and story.

02:02:52.880 And we're the only ones that have the facts right.

02:02:55.620 Yeah.

02:02:55.800 You keep saying heart and I think story's better because, I mean, story, I think also

02:02:59.220 includes comedy.

02:03:00.760 It does.

02:03:00.980 It includes just storytelling where you're feeling, not necessarily pulling on your heart

02:03:05.620 strings, but getting you immersed in that moment.

02:03:08.900 So you actually get pulled in enough to care about it.

02:03:12.180 And then you actually care about the facts.

02:03:13.800 I think the comedy is the same thing.

02:03:15.360 If you can, John Oliver does this well for the left, which is he's, he'll do, you know,

02:03:19.660 he does a horribly incorrect rant about net neutrality for 20 minutes that, I mean, 20 minutes

02:03:25.500 of net neutrality talk is legitimately the recipe for suicide for most people, but he

02:03:31.280 makes it funny.

02:03:32.200 He keeps you there with the funny.

02:03:34.360 It's the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

02:03:37.980 My gosh.

02:03:38.480 It is a way, it is a successful way to, to, uh, to win arguments for lack of a better way

02:03:46.040 of saying that.

02:03:46.660 I think it's, it's not really about winning arguments, but about getting your point across

02:03:49.740 and seeing if people will listen to your perspective.

02:03:51.600 You do need those two things.

02:03:53.540 You know, it goes to, uh, you know, you go up to somebody, uh, you're, you're looking

02:03:58.320 for a date, you're in a bar, uh, the person across the bar may have the greatest personality

02:04:03.860 in the entire universe, but if you're not attracted to them, you never find out about it.

02:04:08.480 And that those, those two things working together, you're right.

02:04:12.660 Republicans do not do that enough.

02:04:15.140 Um, I mean, you know, it only, it only works when you pair them together.

02:04:18.760 And when the economy and it will eventually, hopefully not before 2020, but it will eventually

02:04:25.080 go into recession and it could be a hard crash.

02:04:28.320 That's when emotions will be really high and we better be good at story and facts.

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The Glenn Beck Program - March 07, 2019

Socialism Always Ends in Tyranny？ ｜ Guests： John Ziegler, Del Bigtree, & Andrew Heaton ｜ 3⧸7⧸19

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Socialism Always Ends in Tyranny？｜ Guests： John Ziegler, Del Bigtree, & Andrew Heaton ｜ 3⧸7⧸19