The Glenn Beck Program - 'Solidifying A Conservative Majority'？

00:00:00.000 Glenn Beck.

00:00:01.940 Retiring Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy, 81 years old and the longest-serving current justice on the court.

00:00:09.680 President Reagan was the one who nominated Kennedy to the Supreme Court in 1988.

00:00:14.960 He was a compromise choice for Reagan after the Senate rejected his first choice, which was Robert Bork.

00:00:22.960 I remember driving across the country. I was just about to start at KOY in Phoenix, Arizona, and I listened to those hearings on the radio and could not believe the way they were treating Robert Bork.

00:00:37.520 So it was a compromise, and it had huge ramifications as Kennedy developed a track record as the swing vote in many Supreme Court decisions, including the decision on same-sex marriage and votes that upheld Roe v. Wade.

00:00:51.720 Now, he was not a constitutionalist. I think he was actually trying to do the right thing, but because it was just him trying to find a way to do what he felt was right, he screwed things up.

00:01:09.220 He voted on several pivotal cases. Many on the right are giddy that he is leaving the court.

00:01:16.180 But before conservatives throw too much confetti about his departure, it is worth noting that he also sided with the majority on two decisions just this last month that have far-reaching impact for people of faith.

00:01:30.160 The first was the Masterpiece Cake Shop decision.

00:01:34.400 The second was the National Institute of Family and Life Advocates v. the California Attorney General.

00:01:42.240 In that decision, the court wisely struck down a California law that requires pro-life pregnancy centers to post signs in prominent places informing women that California offers a low-cost or, in some cases, free abortion.

00:01:58.520 The case was not about abortion.

00:02:01.100 The case was free speech.

00:02:02.960 And Justice Kennedy, he believes that he is the greatest defender of liberty currently on the court.

00:02:13.940 Again, in his mind, I think he's right.

00:02:19.420 The way to achieve real liberty is to follow the Constitution.

00:02:23.340 But Justice Kennedy reprimanded his home state of California in a blistering opinion.

00:02:32.020 In light of insanity emanating from California every day now, his words are kind of an important reminder and a warning to the nation.

00:02:40.080 Here's what he wrote.

00:02:40.900 The California legislature has included in its official history the congratulatory statement that the act, the law requiring pro-life clinics to advertise for abortions, was part of California's legacy of forward thinking.

00:02:58.520 But it is not forward thinking to force individuals to be an instrument for fostering public adherence to an ideological point of view that they find unacceptable.

00:03:09.320 Think of just that statement.

00:03:13.240 It is forward thinking to begin by reading the First Amendment as ratified in 1791.

00:03:20.740 To understand the history of authoritarian government as the founders then knew it.

00:03:26.760 To confirm that history since then shows how relentless authoritarian regimes are in their attempts to stifle free speech.

00:03:35.000 This law imperils those liberties, end quote.

00:04:05.000 So do you hear what he's saying?

00:04:10.180 Because it's important.

00:04:13.380 Because we are losing these rights.

00:04:16.420 What he's saying here is if you're forward thinking, if you believe in progress and making things better, the most progressive thing any American can do at this point is to know and defend the Bill of Rights.

00:04:34.200 Because not just your liberty depends on it, but everyone's liberty depends on it.

00:04:46.420 It's Thursday, June 28th.

00:04:49.880 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:04:51.920 Kelly Shackelford is joining us on the program.

00:04:56.860 We have a huge, huge, jam-packed program today.

00:05:00.780 We have Kelly on now.

00:05:02.100 The bottom of our number one, we have Mark Sanford.

00:05:05.760 This is his first interview since losing, I believe.

00:05:09.200 First least national radio interview, I think.

00:05:11.780 We also have Bill O'Reilly on today.

00:05:15.740 We have Selena Zito, one of the best writers around.

00:05:19.100 And I believe Mike Lee will be joining us in our three.

00:05:22.760 So we have a lot to get to.

00:05:24.620 Kelly Shackelford, he is the president and CEO of First Liberty Institute.

00:05:28.660 And this is an organization that has dedicated themselves to protecting religious freedom for all Americans and win most of their cases, really make a great impact for the First Amendment.

00:05:45.300 And we welcome to the program, Kelly.

00:05:47.420 How are you, sir?

00:05:48.740 Great, Glenn.

00:05:49.620 It's a great day.

00:05:50.880 Yeah, it is.

00:05:52.260 I, you know, as I was looking at Justice Kennedy, would you say that it is fair that sometimes he comes up with the with the right rulings, but not for the right reasons?

00:06:08.720 He's he he's he's he's looking for that constitutional justice, but he's not finding it by using the Constitution.

00:06:20.120 Does this make sense to you?

00:06:22.260 Yeah, well, he's obviously considered the swing vote because he he doesn't stick with one side or the other.

00:06:28.940 So you're not going to find a consistency and sort of a judicial approach.

00:06:34.720 Right.

00:06:35.180 That you would find with more of the conservatives or more of the liberals.

00:06:37.980 And that's why you seem like, as you said, I mean, he ended with a bang.

00:06:42.340 These last three opinions on the First Amendment.

00:06:46.640 And that's obviously the area that, you know, we I'm focused on exclusively were tremendous.

00:06:52.680 They were great.

00:06:54.440 The he ended yesterday, you know, on the right side on the you know, you can't force people to pay a union dues to express things that they don't agree with.

00:07:04.240 Just like that.

00:07:05.580 You mentioned the California case.

00:07:06.860 You can't force these crisis pregnancy centers, for instance, to communicate a message of here's where you can get an abortion.

00:07:14.880 And this is the ultimate intolerance, the idea that the government could force citizens to say things that violate their conscience.

00:07:22.700 I mean, if the government wants to say it, say it yourself.

00:07:26.040 But but to force other citizens to carry your message, that's to me, you really lost freedom.

00:07:31.180 And he came out really strong on those.

00:07:34.080 So, you know, you've got those.

00:07:35.640 And then obviously people were very critical of him on the conservative side on the abortion decisions and on same sex marriage and on some other opinions that you go down.

00:07:47.160 And they would, you know, sometimes liberals are criticizing, sometimes conservatives.

00:07:51.320 Depends on the opinion.

00:07:52.980 So, Kelly, I tend to agree with what Ted Cruz said yesterday.

00:07:59.240 He said, I don't want a conservative court.

00:08:03.120 I want a constitutional court.

00:08:05.760 And, for instance, one of the reasons why I looked at Kennedy and looked at some of his more controversial, at least for conservatives, for instance, his vote on gay marriage.

00:08:17.660 I'm a libertarian and a constitutionalist.

00:08:20.320 I don't believe that the government, the federal government, has any place in anybody's marriage, not mine, not anybody's marriage.

00:08:28.080 And so I would be for gay marriage only because I don't think the I don't think the federal government has any business doing any of that.

00:08:38.320 Should we shouldn't we be looking for constitutionalists when it comes to the Supreme Court?

00:08:44.360 Yes. I mean, we've got the example.

00:08:47.340 We've got Gorsuch.

00:08:48.820 You know, I think he's been exactly that.

00:08:53.000 The issue is not what's important to him.

00:08:56.080 Yes.

00:08:56.600 Is this in the Constitution?

00:08:58.400 Correct.

00:08:58.780 And, you know, he got criticized recently on an immigration decision, and people weren't looking at what he was saying in the decision.

00:09:07.240 The decision, it was about a crime and whether you send somebody back.

00:09:11.580 And his opinion might have been, you know, if you looked at results, it was somewhat supportive of this criminal person and not sending them back.

00:09:22.620 But if you looked at his reasoning, he said, this thing is ambiguous.

00:09:26.920 The way the Congress wrote this statute, you cannot tell which meaning to apply.

00:09:33.860 And so, therefore, rather than me as a judge determine that, which is inappropriate, I'm saying this is something Congress has to fix.

00:09:43.100 That's the kind of judge we want.

00:09:44.860 Correct.

00:09:45.000 A judge that doesn't think they're a legislator.

00:09:47.020 Correct. Correct.

00:09:48.280 So let's look at some of the people that are on the list.

00:09:52.780 First of all, is it is there a real chance or is it just, you know, my hope and dream of Mike Lee?

00:10:00.700 Is there a chance Mike Lee could be a Supreme Court justice?

00:10:04.800 I don't think so.

00:10:06.100 I'd love to see Mike Lee on the Supreme Court.

00:10:08.460 But, you know, there's sort of an unsaid rule up there, which is if you're not a judge, you can't really, really be considered.

00:10:18.580 So that's that's that's fairly new, though, isn't it?

00:10:22.780 It is.

00:10:23.540 And I think it's it's kept some great people off that list.

00:10:27.100 Yeah.

00:10:27.380 Mike Lee somehow made it.

00:10:28.760 But like Paul Clement, there are some just incredible people out there who I think would be great.

00:10:34.280 And the explanation you get as well, if you're not a judge.

00:10:37.140 So that most people think Mike Lee was kind of a, you know, he's there, but he's really probably not going to be considered.

00:10:44.140 He because he's not a current judge.

00:10:46.840 How about his brother?

00:10:48.700 His brother would be great.

00:10:50.220 He would be great.

00:10:51.700 There are there are so many good people on the list.

00:10:55.660 And I'll say this, Glenn, and I think you would probably agree with me.

00:11:01.460 There's two things I think that we do know.

00:11:03.960 I think, number one, the odds are, if you look at his track record, the president's track record, and I'm not just talking about Gorsuch, I mean, all the lower court judges.

00:11:14.400 And that's something we've been working at.

00:11:16.160 I mean, you know, there are people that work at First Liberty who have been nominated by the president, for instance, to be federal judges for life.

00:11:23.420 I mean, the types of people he is appointing, these are solid constitutionalists who will never waver.

00:11:30.380 And that's what we've seen, not just with Gorsuch, but all the lower courts, the courts of appeals.

00:11:34.760 I think the odds are huge that the president will pick somebody who's really solid, and that's certainly what we're all hoping for.

00:11:41.360 And I think the second thing we know is whoever he picks, no matter who they are, they will be attacked just horrendously.

00:11:48.760 It reminds me of last time when all the liberals were sort of standing out on the court steps holding signs when they didn't know who was going to be announced,

00:11:56.320 saying bad things about the person and then waiting for their name to be filled in.

00:12:00.080 And I think that's how they're going to do this.

00:12:03.500 And so whoever it is is going to be the worst person ever to be born as soon as they're nominated.

00:12:08.720 And so people need to be ready for that.

00:12:11.100 And I think that's unfair and it's unfortunate.

00:12:13.760 But, you know, if you look at this list, there are a lot of great, great choices.

00:12:20.200 Anybody that you worry about?

00:12:24.560 You know, there are people who there's more controversy over than others.

00:12:30.080 You know, I don't think some of those will be picked.

00:12:33.100 But there are people who have decisions where maybe there's been disagreements in the conservative circles.

00:12:39.880 And so I think it'll be interesting.

00:12:43.460 I think we also know if you look last time, if you remember, he was down to two choices at the end.

00:12:49.320 And it was Gorsuch or Hardiman.

00:12:52.000 And so I think you have to assume that Hardiman is towards the top of the list.

00:12:56.660 He was his second choice last time.

00:12:58.740 And all they've done since then is they have the same list, but they've added five more.

00:13:03.780 So a lot of people are focusing on those five new ones.

00:13:07.620 And there are some great people on that list.

00:13:10.260 I mean, I think a lot of people heard about Amy Coney Barrett.

00:13:13.120 She was the one who was attacked for her faith during the confirmation hearing, you know, for being, you know, an Orthodox Catholic.

00:13:22.620 And, you know, there was a backlash against the Democrats for doing that.

00:13:28.760 But I think those new people are being talked about in addition to Hardiman and the original list.

00:13:34.320 And, look, I'll say, you know, express my prejudice, as you guessed.

00:13:40.120 This is really important.

00:13:42.400 I mean, we've got, like just this week, Glenn, we filed two cases at the Supreme Court.

00:13:47.660 One was the coach who got fired for saying a 15 to 20 second silent prayer and going to a knee after the football game.

00:13:55.120 The other is a Veterans Memorial that's been up for over 100 years honoring World War I vets that a federal court of appeals said is unconstitutional now because it's a cross and has to be torn down.

00:14:09.120 Whoever this justice is is going to affect these cases.

00:14:13.100 And, you know, we've got three others sitting.

00:14:14.620 We've got five cases now sitting at the court.

00:14:17.140 And we have got to get this right.

00:14:19.240 I mean, a lot of these decisions are 5-4.

00:14:21.560 This is going to be huge on religious liberty, on the First Amendment, and on a lot of other issues.

00:14:28.680 And so, you know, I encourage people to really be in prayer that the president makes a really good choice because this could set the court for, you know, 30 years.

00:14:38.520 Kelly, one last question.

00:14:39.620 I've only got about 30 seconds to answer.

00:14:43.360 The left is already saying, oh, it's a done deal.

00:14:47.740 Roe v. Wade, absolutely done.

00:14:50.360 I don't see it that way.

00:14:53.080 Do you?

00:14:54.340 No.

00:14:54.920 No, I don't think we know.

00:14:57.280 You know, it'll depend somewhat on the choice and on what case arises.

00:15:03.280 You know, I think we'll get there someday.

00:15:06.760 I do.

00:15:07.240 I think that all that means is it gets returned to the people.

00:15:10.740 Yeah.

00:15:11.120 I think eventually this is going to be up to the people to decide rather than five justices in a back room.

00:15:16.960 As it should be.

00:15:18.460 Thank you so much, Kelly Shackelford.

00:15:21.420 He is the president, CEO of First Liberty Institute.

00:15:26.140 Thanks, Kelly.

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00:17:24.880 Can I give you one name I'm actually nervous about on the list?

00:17:32.600 It's the same name I am.

00:17:33.740 Yeah.

00:17:34.160 Thomas Hardeman.

00:17:35.040 Now, Hardeman was supposed to be number two last time.

00:17:37.800 We talked about this when it was going down.

00:17:39.100 We love Gorsuch.

00:17:40.140 Hardeman, he's very qualified, very smart, and a reasonable thought, particularly for the Kennedy place.

00:17:49.880 However, if you look at, first of all, he's on the list reportedly only because he is tight with Rick Santorum.

00:17:58.620 And at the time, Trump was looking for kind of an endorsement from Santorum.

00:18:03.120 And Santorum fought very hard.

00:18:06.000 He's friends with Hardeman.

00:18:07.680 Now, Santorum's pretty conservative, and there's a lot of things I like about Rick Santorum.

00:18:11.200 But I don't like the idea that there's a name on the list because of that reason.

00:18:15.300 The list is really solid.

00:18:17.620 Secondarily, he is ideologically the most moderate of the entire list.

00:18:23.520 He's very close to Kennedy as far as his positions go.

00:18:28.160 We don't need that.

00:18:29.600 Between Kennedy and Roberts is where they put him on the scale.

00:18:32.900 And that makes me nervous.

00:18:34.360 He's also friends with Trump's sister and serves on the same court.

00:18:39.840 That makes me nervous.

00:18:42.340 So, if there's one name on this list that I would be nervous...

00:18:45.360 And also, he finished number two, as you guys pointed out last time.

00:18:49.460 He was very oppressive, apparently, in the interview and was very close to getting the nomination last time.

00:18:56.520 He's the one name that I'm nervous about on that list right off the top.

00:19:00.840 There's a few new names on the list that I don't necessarily know as well.

00:19:05.080 But there's a lot of really good names on the list.

00:19:07.040 And the people that put this together are super qualified and would not put Hardiman on the list if they thought he was a liberal, like a suitor.

00:19:12.780 I don't think that that's the case here.

00:19:14.920 But it makes me nervous.

00:19:16.220 I don't want a Kennedy as a replacement here.

00:19:19.640 I don't want that.

00:19:20.320 I want a Clarence Thomas.

00:19:21.720 Yeah.

00:19:22.060 I want a Clarence Thomas.

00:19:23.180 You know who they have as closest to Clarence Thomas?

00:19:25.740 Mike Lee.

00:19:26.580 Yeah, I know.

00:19:27.700 That's the guy who, when you look at the ideological scale...

00:19:30.960 They're good friends.

00:19:32.500 They're really good friends.

00:19:34.640 You know, and Mike has clerked for the Supreme Court.

00:19:37.380 And it would just be interesting to see how his Senate friends would turn on him.

00:19:44.560 You know, the most reasonable, the most nice guy.

00:19:48.040 And a guy who has both supported the president and taken the president on.

00:19:52.420 Plus, he would be able to vote for himself.

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00:20:57.160 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:21:01.860 We have a big, big show today.

00:21:05.220 We have, I believe Mike Lee is going to be on with us.

00:21:09.500 Selina Zito is one of, I think, the only journalists that really understand what's happening in the center of the country.

00:21:16.180 She's got a book called The Great Revolt.

00:21:17.720 We have Bill O'Reilly coming up in just a second and Mark Sanford, Republican from South Carolina.

00:21:26.440 He was in with the House Freedom Caucus.

00:21:29.360 One of the better congressmen who stood up for real conservative principles just lost his re-election bid.

00:21:39.420 And we welcome him to the program.

00:21:42.960 Hi, Mark.

00:21:43.340 How are you?

00:21:44.320 I'm good.

00:21:44.860 How are you?

00:21:45.460 I'm good.

00:21:46.160 So, well, first of all, let me just start with the Supreme Court.

00:21:50.400 Any thoughts on what happened yesterday or what is coming?

00:21:59.200 It's monumental and we need to recognize it as such.

00:22:02.360 I mean, the complexion of the court, the duration of conservative ideals within the court hangs in the balance.

00:22:09.880 And so, Kennedy giving up the seat so that another conservative can be put on board is a big, big deal.

00:22:19.660 You concerned at all about the tenor, really, of both sides that, you know, this could be, this could lead us into real civil unrest.

00:22:30.580 Just the way we're headed down this road of incivility.

00:22:36.700 That's a bigger conundrum that goes well beyond the Supreme Court and goes to just, I mean, the inflection point that we're at as a society and the way that we deal one to the other.

00:22:48.840 And that goes to not being allowed to go into a restaurant.

00:22:53.040 It goes to Maxine Waters' comments.

00:22:54.720 It goes to, you know, the director of Homeland Security being, in essence, harassed out of a Mexican restaurant here in Washington.

00:23:02.500 I mean, it goes to a lot of subtext that is, again, well beyond the scope of even the Supreme Court.

00:23:10.600 You were one of the guys in Congress that I think really understood what we're facing and, you know, what this post-modernist or democratic socialist movement is that is headed our way.

00:23:27.360 Are the people in Congress even awake to really what's happening?

00:23:30.800 Yeah, I mean, you've got a lot of people that are trying hard and focused.

00:23:36.380 But what happens is, you know, the busier in life you get, at times the less focused you are.

00:23:43.320 And so everybody's just trying to survive their day.

00:23:47.860 And at times we can all miss some of the bigger picture that's out there.

00:23:54.600 I liken it to this.

00:23:55.940 You get a very clear view from the mountaintop.

00:23:58.880 It's a little bit murkier when you're in the jungle, in the valley with a machete just trying to make your way through the day.

00:24:08.000 And so I would say it's the sin of omission rather than commission.

00:24:14.200 I think that when people stop and think about it and say, wait, there's some big trends at play here.

00:24:19.420 But there's not a lot of time to do that.

00:24:21.040 So now on reflection on the race, what you did in Congress, the stands that you took, et cetera, et cetera, you're not going to change your principles.

00:24:34.260 And that's what I liked about you.

00:24:35.700 You didn't change your principles all the way along.

00:24:39.140 Would you change your approach in anything if you could do it all over again?

00:24:47.680 Respectfully, I'd say no.

00:24:48.840 And here's what I mean by that.

00:24:52.000 So if you look at my voting record, I have about 90 percent of the time voted with the president.

00:24:58.280 On his agenda item, I've voted 100 percent with him.

00:25:01.700 Tax cuts, health care bill go down the list.

00:25:04.560 But a handful of issues that are either tied to conservative principles that I've long held and espoused.

00:25:10.920 I've voted no.

00:25:13.760 For instance, I voted against the omnibus bill.

00:25:16.100 And I wouldn't see that as a vote against the president.

00:25:19.360 I would see that as a vote for common sense and for the taxpayer.

00:25:22.860 Correct.

00:25:24.860 Similarly, I voted, you know, or didn't vote, but took a stand against the administration on the issue of offshore in South Carolina,

00:25:32.780 simply because my point was this is not about whether you're for or against offshore.

00:25:37.540 It's about the issue of federalism.

00:25:40.240 And if every municipality along the coastline of South Carolina that I represent draws up formal proclamations with their mayor,

00:25:50.880 their city council, and they say,

00:25:51.960 we don't care about offshore as much for offshore as we do about its implications on shore,

00:25:56.580 and we want to have a hand in the way that we grow and develop as a community, what am I to do?

00:26:01.620 In other words, if you believe in the concept of federalism, that all decisions should not be made in Washington,

00:26:07.260 you'd say, I have to at least give credence to those local voices.

00:26:10.880 And as their emissary to Washington, I have to take care of that forward,

00:26:14.920 particularly if the administration has said, you know, we're going to exempt Florida

00:26:19.720 because they've got a lot of tourism, they've got a pretty coastline,

00:26:24.660 and a number of people in the state don't want it.

00:26:27.560 You can't say if you believe that all laws and regulations ought to apply equally.

00:26:32.300 You can't say it's okay in Florida, but not in South Carolina,

00:26:35.280 given the tourism and the unique coastline we have, whatnot.

00:26:38.880 But my point was, it was, again, not about the president.

00:26:42.980 It was about representing my neck of the woods.

00:26:46.380 And so I wouldn't because I think it's very important.

00:26:51.660 You know, our founding fathers were so deliberate in not setting up a parliamentary system.

00:26:55.980 They set up Article I and Article II,

00:26:59.140 and they set up a tension between the different branches of government dissent

00:27:02.900 that would create discussion so that we ended up with better mousetraps.

00:27:06.800 And what you don't want is a Congress that becomes subservient to the executive branch

00:27:13.940 because that's not the design the founding fathers set up.

00:27:17.180 We didn't want it under Obama.

00:27:19.200 I mean, it's just...

00:27:20.200 We don't want it under anybody.

00:27:20.920 Yeah, we don't want it under anybody.

00:27:23.080 The...

00:27:23.880 As you're looking at this, are we in a temporary bubble,

00:27:29.580 or is this how you think we're going now?

00:27:32.620 Where, I mean, you know, Donald Trump is...

00:27:35.020 I've been wrong on him politically, you know,

00:27:37.680 from what I thought he would do to what he has done.

00:27:41.040 I thought the only promise he would keep was tariffs,

00:27:43.820 and I'm against tariffs.

00:27:45.640 He has done some remarkable things

00:27:48.240 and could end up being one of the most influential presidents of my lifetime

00:27:53.880 just due to the court appointments if he continues making great court appointments

00:27:58.800 like he is, you know, on the lower courts

00:28:02.240 and also so far with Gorsuch.

00:28:06.240 However, we seem to be unable now to separate policies

00:28:14.220 and say, well, no, this particular policy is not right.

00:28:20.020 It's not a conservative principle,

00:28:21.900 and that doesn't make me against the other policies.

00:28:25.500 Are we in a bubble with this, or is this where we're headed?

00:28:28.560 We're in one of two things.

00:28:29.580 We're either in a bubble.

00:28:30.800 I mean, he has a forceful personality.

00:28:33.580 That's part of his success and charm.

00:28:37.600 But that can be a dangerous thing, too.

00:28:40.700 So we're at an inflection point as to,

00:28:45.060 okay, this is just about him

00:28:46.460 and the sort of temporary phenomenon that's him,

00:28:48.440 or we're moving toward more of a system wherein the legislative branch is in a secondary role

00:28:56.620 to the executive branch, which would be disastrous.

00:28:59.500 If you think about Hayek's road to serfdom,

00:29:02.760 which is really the story of, you know, pre-World War II Germany,

00:29:08.200 what it talks about is how open political systems over time become more and more dysfunctional

00:29:14.320 to the point that the populace grows incredibly frustrated

00:29:17.940 with the way in which the system isn't working for themselves and those that they love.

00:29:22.760 So much so that a strong man comes along and says,

00:29:26.260 look, I can take care of this problem for you.

00:29:28.140 You may have to give up a couple of rights, a couple of things,

00:29:31.040 but I'll take care of it for you.

00:29:32.300 They'd make the tradeoff,

00:29:33.340 and obviously it's the story of Hitler's rise to power in pre-World War II Germany.

00:29:38.000 Let me be clear.

00:29:38.960 I am not likening Hitler to Trump in any way, shape, or form, period.

00:29:44.860 But the phenomenon that Hayek gets at,

00:29:47.780 which is our legitimate frustration with the way Washington's not working for us,

00:29:52.920 we cannot fall prey to that phenomenon.

00:29:58.800 And it's happened in a lot of open political systems over the years.

00:30:01.720 So what you want to watch out with the Trump phenomenon is a precursor to something that could be much more toxic.

00:30:09.440 Right.

00:30:09.680 It's the same warning that we issued under Barack Obama.

00:30:14.960 Exactly.

00:30:15.680 Don't.

00:30:16.360 You can't give the president this kind of power.

00:30:20.140 The Freedom Caucus, they really went to bat for you.

00:30:24.740 The health of the Freedom Caucus.

00:30:26.140 It's a great group of guys and a gal.

00:30:33.340 And so they're comrades in arms.

00:30:39.220 Comrade's probably not the right word because he's the most conservative members of Congress.

00:30:44.600 I mean, just great folks.

00:30:47.060 And folks that stand up for constitutional principle,

00:30:50.320 they stand up for market ideas,

00:30:54.200 they stand up for limited government.

00:30:57.100 And so it means a lot.

00:30:59.680 I mean, they've seen my voting record.

00:31:01.120 They've seen how I've consistently voted with the president.

00:31:04.080 But again, it's not in my DNA, and I don't think it's in yours,

00:31:08.620 the idea of genuflecting before another human being.

00:31:12.000 That's something I just, I'm not wired to do.

00:31:14.220 And it's not the wiring that the Founding Fathers intended in our system.

00:31:18.120 And so my nature is, and I've taught my boys to do the same.

00:31:22.940 They do it, believe me, with me.

00:31:24.260 At times I don't like it.

00:31:25.500 But, you know, they say, you know, I like these parts, Dad, but this part over here I totally disagree with.

00:31:32.120 And, you know, the conundrum I was in was to say I support the president in essence 100% on policy.

00:31:38.960 But when he says something crazy or when he proposes tariffs that are destructive in terms of, again, the overall American economy,

00:31:48.620 or in particular a place like the port in Charleston, I think it's important to speak up.

00:31:52.680 And if we don't do that as a Congress, we are tilting the balance of power that the Founding Fathers designed in one direction away from, again, Article 1.

00:32:03.100 It's telling that they had us as Article 1 toward Article 2 and what they described with the executive branch.

00:32:08.880 I'm talking to Representative Mark Sanford.

00:32:10.320 Mark, do you believe that you lost your primary because of Trump tweeting about it?

00:32:18.640 No, I think that was just the icing on the cake.

00:32:20.600 I think the larger construct of the race, it probably kept me from going in a runoff with only a couple hundred votes,

00:32:26.040 and I would end up in a runoff, and I ended up in two in my life and won both of them.

00:32:30.240 But I think the larger construct of the race was the problem, and that was are you 100% Trump or not?

00:32:39.000 And I don't believe in blind allegiance to anything but the Constitution and to conservative principles.

00:32:45.780 And therefore, it is important that, again, I agree with the administration, all and all they've gotten right, and that's a whole lot.

00:32:54.420 But it's equally important that I speak out against, for instance, tariffs that I think are going to – I mean, they have the possibility –

00:33:01.420 they bring with them the possibility of undermining all the good that's been done on regulatory reform

00:33:08.240 and all the good that's been done on tax reform.

00:33:10.560 And so, you know, the race became fundamentally about who was more Trump, and that was a race I couldn't win.

00:33:17.120 And I think it's telling that my opponent in her acceptance speech said this.

00:33:21.340 She said, we are the party of Donald J. Trump.

00:33:26.520 And I could not more wholeheartedly disagree.

00:33:29.220 The party is made up of the people who've worked in the vineyard for years.

00:33:33.840 They've licked stamps, and they've put up yard signs, they've helped put out bumper stickers,

00:33:38.040 and all the goofy things that go with building a campaign or a political movement.

00:33:42.260 That's who the party belongs to.

00:33:43.800 It belongs to no one individual in Washington, D.C.

00:33:47.540 On a policy note on this, because you're talking about tariffs and you're talking about kind of giving in to the executive,

00:33:55.360 because fundamentally it's not about Trump, it's about the executive.

00:33:58.880 Should Congress get control of international trade policy as the Constitution demands?

00:34:05.820 Absolutely.

00:34:06.960 I mean, Warren Davidson has a great bill that's trying to pull back power in that direction.

00:34:13.000 I think that Congress has been its own worst enemy in adhering to the constitutional construct that the Founding Fathers created.

00:34:22.320 And so we need to pull back some power, because it's not about Donald Trump, it's not about Obama,

00:34:27.460 it's about, again, executive versus legislative as designed by the Founding Fathers.

00:34:31.980 Where are you going from here?

00:34:33.500 I don't know.

00:34:34.180 Figure it out.

00:34:35.940 I love that answer.

00:34:37.580 All right.

00:34:38.280 Mark, thanks so much.

00:34:39.940 God bless you, and thanks for standing strong for so many rock-solid principles.

00:34:48.260 I've really grown to admire you.

00:34:50.060 Thank you so much.

00:34:50.580 Take care.

00:34:51.600 God bless.

00:34:54.120 Congressman Mark Sanford.

00:34:58.460 Reasonable.

00:35:00.220 Isn't that where we all need to be?

00:35:01.400 Just reasonable?

00:35:03.420 Doesn't seem like he's asking too much to me.

00:35:05.340 I don't know anymore.

00:35:06.820 I don't know either.

00:35:07.760 I don't know either.

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00:37:39.940 On a Monday morning in Salzburg, Austria, the crisp air beneath the Austrian Alps, the hills were alive with the sound of Justice Anthony Kennedy.

00:37:55.480 As he spoke to a room of 80 students about the unfolding world.

00:38:00.220 Here's an 80-year-old man, knowledgeable about the murky future that we all face because of the cyber age.

00:38:10.140 Kennedy was a special guest at the Salzburg Academy of Media and Global Change, where lectures focus on the role of populism in global change.

00:38:19.480 He said, quote, journalists have to begin to understand we are in a new world.

00:38:26.020 Now, the course was he spoke for over an hour.

00:38:28.820 He described the unprecedented change that the Internet had brought to the profession and the immeasurable impact that digitalization has played on the fourth pillar.

00:38:39.720 He said, quote, the cyber age has tremendous potential, as indicated with Wikipedia.

00:38:46.820 But if it bypasses space and time where there is just this obsession with the present, this neglect of our heritage and history, well, then the world will change.

00:39:02.700 I think this is the key to our problems.

00:39:06.000 We don't know our own history.

00:39:08.040 There was a poll taken asking the question, where was the Declaration of Independence signed?

00:39:16.380 In that poll, only one person knew one.

00:39:22.580 The problem is not just that.

00:39:25.960 This poll was taken in person, standing on the sidewalk in front of Independence Hall in Philadelphia.

00:39:34.480 People who were walking by it had no idea what that building even was.

00:39:42.040 Oh, and the one person who did know the answer was a Russian tourist that had only been in America for a day.

00:39:51.580 So listen to what he said again.

00:39:55.540 If this cyber age bypasses space and time where there's just this obsession with the present, this neglect of our heritage and history, then the world will change.

00:40:08.900 I think the problem is too many in academia and in the camps of the Social Democrats are intentionally ignoring or intentionally destroying and distorting our history precisely for that reason.

00:40:26.640 I think there are too many people that look at what he said, not as a warning, but as a hopeful promise.

00:40:36.600 Make no mistake, it is a warning.

00:40:38.940 Freedom is a rare and precious thing.

00:40:44.060 And it will not survive in a country where now 35% of those under 30 years old say that living in a democracy matters.

00:41:01.640 35%?

00:41:03.160 That shows a lack of knowledge of history and a lack of knowledge of man himself.

00:41:15.440 We have to learn our own history and our own heritage and we have to teach it.

00:41:22.840 Probably the best place to start is the Bill of Rights.

00:41:28.720 Man's freedom depends on each of us knowing the Bill of Rights.

00:41:37.700 Our neglect of this heritage and history will be why the world will change.

00:41:52.800 It's Thursday, June 28th.

00:41:55.140 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:41:58.720 Mr. Bill O'Reilly, man who loves history as much as I do.

00:42:02.980 Boy, history is being made this week, is it not?

00:42:07.240 So many things.

00:42:09.160 Yeah.

00:42:09.640 A lot of stuff going on.

00:42:10.900 And I, you know, I ironically was asked that question about where the declaration was signed.

00:42:17.480 And, of course, I got it wrong, too.

00:42:19.440 I said Idaho.

00:42:20.420 And, like, a lot of people.

00:42:22.040 Really?

00:42:22.680 Yeah.

00:42:23.940 Interesting.

00:42:25.240 But anyway, look, Kennedy was a really good man.

00:42:32.420 I had an opportunity to talk with him in depth one time.

00:42:35.720 We were stranded at an airport.

00:42:39.680 Hang on just a second.

00:42:41.460 Hang on just a second.

00:42:42.180 And I just want everybody just to take a moment to think what a pleasure or a nightmare that would be, depending on your point of view, being stranded in an airport with Bill O'Reilly.

00:42:51.460 All right.

00:42:51.780 Go ahead.

00:42:52.140 Yeah.

00:42:52.400 I mean, some people went screaming.

00:42:54.460 I would imagine.

00:42:55.660 Yes.

00:42:56.160 Yes.

00:42:56.480 Demanded refunds.

00:42:57.500 Right.

00:42:57.620 Kennedy was a very, is, I mean, still alive, a very deliberate guy who really loves America.

00:43:07.340 I mean, it's a key to any Supreme Court justice.

00:43:10.580 You really have to love what the country is and understand what it is.

00:43:13.960 And you were correct, Beck, that most younger Americans, at least, don't understand it.

00:43:19.580 They live in the present.

00:43:20.600 And it's the latest tweet that's on their mind, not much else.

00:43:26.340 Reading books is a burden.

00:43:28.200 Even watching a television program now is, you know, like an ordeal because it's not fast enough.

00:43:34.700 It's not here enough.

00:43:35.880 Right.

00:43:36.420 So that, you know, we have to basically sit back and say, all right, there's a struggle in the country.

00:43:42.400 I mean, the reaction to Kennedy's retirement was just, that was the best sitcom I've seen in years last night,

00:43:49.540 watching the left wing react to Kennedy's retirement.

00:43:52.880 Oh, my God.

00:43:54.440 It's crazy.

00:43:55.520 Oh, my God.

00:43:56.900 Now, what's going to happen?

00:43:58.920 We're going to have a Francisco Franco is going to be the new Supreme Court justice.

00:44:05.080 You know, I mean, it's just insane.

00:44:06.900 You know, isn't it crazy?

00:44:08.080 Isn't it crazy that they were talking about, I think this is the new Spanish Civil War.

00:44:12.100 This came from, what's his name?

00:44:13.700 Yeah.

00:44:13.880 Chris Matthews.

00:44:14.620 You mean when the people that were against the government rose up to put Franco in?

00:44:23.340 Wasn't that?

00:44:23.900 I mean, that's not a good example, Chris.

00:44:27.120 Your side is the bad side in that example.

00:44:30.360 You know, they are so distraught, they being the far left, because despite the hatred and all of the stuff,

00:44:38.120 I wrote a column I sent you called Virtue Fascism this week, and despite all their money and all the media that backs them

00:44:48.460 and all the vitriol they spit out, they're losing.

00:44:52.020 They're losing.

00:44:53.160 They're losing on the political front.

00:44:54.960 They're losing on, now with the Supreme Court, on the legal front, because this vote is going to take place.

00:45:00.140 It's going to take place in September, and there's going to be another Supreme Court justice,

00:45:06.240 unless somebody crazy like John McCain or somebody like this gets involved and tilts it.

00:45:13.320 And I don't think that's going to happen, and I don't mean John McCain's crazy,

00:45:16.960 but he hates Trump so much that he's blinded a lot of times when he goes to vote.

00:45:23.080 There's going to be another traditional judge.

00:45:26.260 That's what it's about, a traditional judge.

00:45:29.040 Wasn't it interesting, Beck, that this week Soda Sonia Mayor, the most left-wing of all the Supreme Court justices,

00:45:38.060 even more left than Ruth Bader Ginsburg, admitted that she dissented about the ability of a president

00:45:46.620 to stop people coming here from a certain country.

00:45:50.380 She admitted it not based on the law, not based on the law,

00:45:55.700 but based on that Sonia didn't like Trump's rhetoric, didn't like the way he presented the issue.

00:46:04.620 The law be damned, Sonia was offended, so Sonia's going to vote against what was obviously a power the president has.

00:46:13.680 It was obvious. It's there in writing.

00:46:16.000 So that's what the whole thing's about.

00:46:19.000 It's about you put another traditional judge on the bench, and the far left is toast on the big issues.

00:46:27.800 They're not going to be able to rule on their own ideology, which is what they want.

00:46:33.140 Okay, so let's go through this here for just a second.

00:46:35.560 Let's say he puts somebody on, like my favorite, Mike Lee, or somebody like that, that is a constitutionalist and we can count on him.

00:46:45.080 And, you know, he's a Gorsuch, which we think he is now, or a Thomas, and he becomes this stalwart for the Constitution.

00:46:55.980 I think that John Roberts is the kind of guy that becomes Anthony Kennedy.

00:47:01.280 Maybe, maybe, and it's a pretty good observation.

00:47:06.140 I can't believe I'm actually giving you compliments today.

00:47:09.280 At least you understand my question.

00:47:12.140 Sometimes you're like, I don't have any idea.

00:47:14.260 I'm not, you know, I'm not that slow.

00:47:16.360 I can keep up, all right?

00:47:18.340 Yeah, all right.

00:47:19.120 Stu loses me, but I can keep up with you.

00:47:21.600 Yeah, right. That's what I thought.

00:47:22.740 Okay, so Roberts, he's not an ideologue like Scalia was, all right?

00:47:32.800 He will go out of the box, and he did on Obamacare, and he was so wrong on Obamacare.

00:47:39.700 So wrong.

00:47:40.500 Clearly.

00:47:40.720 And I'm not saying that because he voted for it on, I'm saying it because the law, the Constitution.

00:47:50.780 Even his own, even his own opinion, you could see.

00:47:55.100 It was tortured.

00:47:55.740 Yeah, he rewrote it at the last minute.

00:47:59.040 I mean, it was, it didn't make any sense.

00:48:01.840 If you were to put Roe v. Wade in front of Roberts, you wouldn't know.

00:48:08.860 I mean, you're going to know Clarence Thomas, all right?

00:48:11.440 You're going to know Alito.

00:48:13.760 They're not going to say Roe v. Wade should stand.

00:48:17.340 They're just not.

00:48:18.460 But you don't know Roberts.

00:48:20.120 So you're right.

00:48:21.060 There would be some drama.

00:48:22.900 But what will never happen again is Ruth Bader Ginsburg actually saying,

00:48:28.760 if you look up what she said, I don't really believe that the Constitution is written, should

00:48:36.560 be upheld anymore.

00:48:38.220 I, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, believe it has evolved.

00:48:42.560 And it has evolved into whatever I want it to be.

00:48:50.080 That's how you ruin your country.

00:48:52.920 That's how you wreck what has made us the most prosperous nation ever seen.

00:49:02.080 That's how you ruin it.

00:49:03.380 Ruth Bader Ginsburg saying, I'm going to do and rule whatever I want and not what was written.

00:49:12.120 It's amazing.

00:49:13.420 It's amazing to me that the left is saying that they're putting these radicals.

00:49:18.380 And the radical to the left is the one that will read the Constitution as it was written.

00:49:28.880 I mean, there's no way that you're going to get rid of Roe v. Wade in America all across

00:49:34.860 all 50 states.

00:49:35.900 However, the people in Utah and the people in South Carolina may say, you know what?

00:49:43.920 No, we don't want this here.

00:49:45.540 This is not who we are.

00:49:47.180 We believe it's murder.

00:49:48.580 It just goes back into the hands of the states.

00:49:52.840 That's what's going to happen.

00:49:53.880 And they just think that that is just so radical that the people would be allowed to decide

00:49:58.900 if it disagrees with their position.

00:50:02.240 Because they, they, the far left, believe that the people should not have any say.

00:50:09.060 That's the crux of the far left, that the government runs the economy, the health care system, the educational system, the entitlement system.

00:50:20.940 It runs everything.

00:50:22.300 And you, the American citizen, serve the government, not the other way around.

00:50:31.880 That's what people don't understand when you look at the Rob Reiners and the CNN cadre, the NBC News executives.

00:50:40.300 They believe that the government should run everything.

00:50:46.920 Talk about the Bill of Rights.

00:50:48.740 Okay.

00:50:49.160 You know what your primary right is in their mind?

00:50:51.980 To send your money and assets to them so they can do whatever they want with it.

00:50:59.200 This is not, this is not, this is nothing new.

00:51:02.700 And I know progressives will say, that's outrageous.

00:51:05.240 How dare he say something like that?

00:51:06.660 This is exactly true.

00:51:07.960 It is true, though.

00:51:08.220 They can't argue against it.

00:51:10.200 It is.

00:51:10.700 Their philosophy of socialism, their philosophy of basically income redistribution, all of these things, Obamacare, come back to the government calls the shots, not the citizens.

00:51:28.180 You don't have a right to not have health insurance.

00:51:31.920 You don't have a right to basically say, you know what, I don't want to have my tax money paying for abortions because I believe that that's murder.

00:51:44.820 I, as a religious person or whatever, and I don't really want my money going into that industry.

00:51:51.680 Oh, you don't have that right because the government says we're taking tax money to give to Planned Parenthood.

00:51:59.440 You see, they can't dispute it, Beck.

00:52:02.580 They can't.

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00:53:28.500 So, Bill, I want to stick with you here for a minute on the announcement yesterday of Kennedy.

00:53:39.260 When you're looking at this and you see the response from the left, which was nuts,

00:53:45.260 and you take into account, you know, what they've been saying recently with Maxine Waters

00:53:51.280 and, you know, the Red Hen, and we'll get into that here in a minute, does it concern you

00:53:56.180 at all of what we might be headed for this fall?

00:54:01.760 Well, I don't know if it can get any worse.

00:54:05.620 I mean, we're on the edge of violence now.

00:54:07.480 Well, that's what I mean.

00:54:08.280 I think we might be headed towards violence.

00:54:10.440 That's what my column, you know, Virtue Fascism, is about.

00:54:14.920 We're on the edge of violence.

00:54:16.640 Somebody's going to get killed.

00:54:20.240 And the media is directly responsible for that.

00:54:24.000 And, again, you can just see what happened last night.

00:54:26.420 I mean, it's just hysteria.

00:54:28.100 And, you know, they're trying to incite, and that's the word.

00:54:34.920 But not the word of the day.

00:54:36.620 Not the word of the day.

00:54:37.660 Irrational behavior.

00:54:38.060 No, it's not.

00:54:38.600 That's a little too mundane.

00:54:40.160 Well, I thought so, too.

00:54:41.320 Trying to incite irrational behavior.

00:54:43.000 Right.

00:54:43.460 They are not perspicacious.

00:54:46.480 That's the word of the day.

00:54:48.040 Yeah.

00:54:48.280 There you go.

00:54:48.920 All right.

00:54:49.280 So, you know, when they said that that's what the left was doing,

00:54:54.400 that's what Fox News and Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly and, you know,

00:54:58.080 Sarah Palin said targeting districts.

00:55:01.260 They were looking for that.

00:55:02.800 Now, they seem to not only not care about it,

00:55:08.500 I get the sense that they kind of feel like, well, look what Donald Trump's doing.

00:55:14.800 Two can play at this game.

00:55:16.260 That's fine.

00:55:17.100 He's the one that's inciting violence because listen to him in his rallies.

00:55:22.580 Well, that's not a totally specious, another word of the day, argument.

00:55:29.800 The president has gone too far in his rhetoric.

00:55:35.700 Yes.

00:55:36.180 On occasion.

00:55:37.220 All right.

00:55:37.920 I mean, any fair-minded person knows that.

00:55:41.720 But, Beck, I want you to listen to me closely.

00:55:45.420 All right.

00:55:45.780 You do not justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior.

00:55:52.440 That's what fourth graders do.

00:55:55.400 Well, he was worse than I was.

00:55:57.720 Right.

00:55:58.180 You know, that's just ridiculous.

00:56:00.800 He started it.

00:56:01.460 But to point out that the rhetoric on the part of Donald Trump has been, you know, destructive on occasion is true.

00:56:10.620 Yeah.

00:56:11.280 I, you know, I made an analogy last night that I won't go into on the News and Why It Matters.

00:56:15.960 But I think that Barack Obama was doing the same thing that Donald Trump is doing.

00:56:23.140 He was just doing it with, I don't know, more, I don't know, more class, more refinement to where he was, you know, walking around the stage and talking about those tea baggers.

00:56:33.200 You know, that's a pretty nasty name to call people.

00:56:37.440 He knew exactly what that was.

00:56:39.740 You know, he was.

00:56:40.360 Yeah, and the religion and clinging to their Bibles and guns.

00:56:42.940 Correct.

00:56:43.220 He was just doing it in a less fiery sort of way or a more classy presidential sort of way.

00:56:50.880 But it's the same kind of stuff.

00:56:52.920 Get in the back of the bus.

00:56:54.260 Get in the back seat.

00:56:55.540 You already drove us into a ditch.

00:56:58.020 Same thing, isn't it?

00:56:58.980 Yeah, I don't know if it's the same thing because it's not as specific.

00:57:04.140 See, the problem that Donald Trump has is that he gets so angry that he's very specific.

00:57:11.060 So when there's a demonstrator in front of him at a rally, he goes, well, get that guy out of here.

00:57:15.820 That's true.

00:57:16.420 That's true.

00:57:17.120 OK, so that puts the guy in danger.

00:57:20.140 To say you're a teabagger or you're grabbing a Bible, that's a specific thing, a nonspecific thing, I should say.

00:57:29.020 So that's the difference.

00:57:29.700 All right.

00:57:30.100 I want to go to Sarah Huckabee Sanders and some of the other things that you have been talking about.

00:57:37.920 Peter Strzok in a closed-door interview.

00:57:40.680 When we come back.

00:57:41.480 Glenn Beck.

00:57:42.600 Mercury.

00:57:43.040 We're with Bill O'Reilly from BillO'Reilly.com.

00:57:49.980 We've got a lot to cover in about the next nine minutes.

00:57:53.040 And I want to touch on one thing.

00:57:55.200 Make sure we get to it.

00:57:56.500 Bill and I have talked about this independence fund.

00:57:59.180 He told me about this a few weeks ago.

00:58:01.660 And I think this is really critical and something that really is good.

00:58:06.740 Right now, the independence fund has a matching gift campaign that is going on.

00:58:11.260 It's going to end on July 4th.

00:58:13.560 So far, they've raised $1.5 million.

00:58:15.840 And these build wheelchairs, I mean, real industrial wheelchairs for our returning vets that need them.

00:58:25.700 And both of us would like to get involved and have you get involved as well.

00:58:30.900 Again, matching dollar for dollar.

00:58:33.880 And that ends on July 4th.

00:58:35.700 And we can really make a difference.

00:58:37.200 Bill?

00:58:37.400 Bill, there's a woman out in California who wants to remain anonymous, but I have spoken with her through, you know, the electronics,

00:58:46.100 who is matching every donation that anyone makes to independencefund.org to get these so-called track chairs.

00:58:54.460 That's the official name, track chairs.

00:58:56.160 And they're electronic chairs.

00:58:57.780 They go on the beach.

00:58:59.180 They go in the forest.

00:59:00.440 You can hunt.

00:59:01.080 They're amazing.

00:59:01.500 Yeah, and they give the severely wounded vets, lost arms, legs, eyes, and brain damage and all that.

00:59:08.580 They give them a sense of independence that they don't have now.

00:59:11.960 That's the name, independencefund.org.

00:59:14.540 So it's very kind of you to mention it to your vast audience on the radio, independencefund.org.

00:59:20.320 Just go up there.

00:59:21.140 Give as much as you can.

00:59:22.140 It'll be matched by this very patriotic woman in California.

00:59:25.020 And I think we're approaching $2 million now.

00:59:28.060 That's great.

00:59:28.440 So, yeah.

00:59:29.720 Each track chair costs $15,000.

00:59:32.220 All right.

00:59:33.280 Independencefund.org.

00:59:35.380 Independencefund.org.

00:59:36.640 Even if it's $5, please do it.

00:59:38.980 All right, Bill, want to run through a few things.

00:59:41.520 Shouldn't we be allowed to reserve the right to serve or not serve anybody we want?

00:59:50.960 I remember those signs in cafes and everything else years ago.

00:59:57.100 Bakers that, you know, people who think that, you know, bakers don't have to make gay wedding cakes.

01:00:04.120 Shouldn't they be supporting Red Hen?

01:00:06.740 And those who believe bakers have to do it, shouldn't they be on the opposite side that they're on right now with Red Hen?

01:00:16.640 Well, legally, if you are an owner of a business and you want to deny someone service, you can do that unless the person is a designated minority.

01:00:28.820 That's the law.

01:00:30.080 Right.

01:00:30.300 So you can't deny African-Americans or a religious minority or gays because they're protected.

01:00:37.440 They're protected by law.

01:00:39.100 But anyone else you can deny service to.

01:00:41.580 And I would not change that law.

01:00:43.760 I think that law is okay.

01:00:45.200 You know, if you have somebody in there who is causing a ruckus and it's not a criminal offense, it's just somebody who's really hurting your business, you should be able to deny them service and get them out of there.

01:00:58.680 So I think the law as it stands is okay.

01:01:00.880 So why are so many people who say, hey, bakers have to have the right, you know, to follow their conscience?

01:01:08.180 Here's a woman who said, you know, I have moral standards and ethics that we follow in my and she doesn't fit them.

01:01:15.600 And she's basically saying, you know, this is my religion and I want her out.

01:01:20.680 Why are the people who believe it in one case with wedding cakes so against it in this case?

01:01:26.340 Because they don't like Sarah Huckabee Sanders.

01:01:30.440 That's simple as that.

01:01:31.820 No, I'm talking about the reverse.

01:01:33.980 You know, yesterday, the people who were against Red Hen, they were in the streets actually throwing human feces at people.

01:01:40.500 You're talking about the people who support the baker on religious grounds, but then don't.

01:01:45.400 Correct.

01:01:46.080 Well, I mean, I think that they're basically, and I don't know because I'm speaking to them,

01:01:51.040 but I think you have to give them the benefit of the doubt that they're showing their displeasure

01:01:54.580 that you would be this aggressively unfair to a government worker.

01:02:03.900 And if you think that that is bad behavior, you certainly have a right to protest it.

01:02:09.100 Yeah.

01:02:10.780 We're beyond monkey throwing poop at each other, though, don't you think?

01:02:13.980 Yeah, I mean, anybody's doing gross, but if you want to stand outside Red Hen with a sign saying

01:02:21.300 the woman is unfair, you have a perfect right to do that.

01:02:24.780 Absolutely.

01:02:25.600 35% now say it's very likely that we will be in a civil war within four years.

01:02:32.500 An additional 11% say they're absolutely sure.

01:02:36.900 So now almost half of the country that have participated in this poll say we're in a civil war in the next four years.

01:02:43.660 What does that say to you?

01:02:46.780 They're right.

01:02:48.020 I mean, I think we're here.

01:02:49.480 I don't think the civil war is coming.

01:02:51.080 I think the social civil war is underway.

01:02:53.360 Okay.

01:02:53.560 Now, wait a minute.

01:02:54.060 There's a difference between a cold civil war.

01:02:57.180 I think we've been in a cold civil war for a while, but we are now entering.

01:03:02.400 No, I don't think we're going to have massive violence.

01:03:04.160 I think we're going to have selected violence.

01:03:07.360 But, you know, look, I'm a casualty of the damn thing.

01:03:12.340 I mean, people paid.

01:03:15.720 Far left concerns paid people to lie about me.

01:03:19.060 If that's not war, I don't know what is war.

01:03:23.580 If that's not war.

01:03:24.720 Yesterday, they were talking to Chuck Schumer.

01:03:30.640 Jeffrey Toobin.

01:03:31.900 Is that his name?

01:03:32.860 Jeffrey Toobin.

01:03:34.340 Yeah.

01:03:34.620 Jeffrey Toobin was on CNN, and he said in 18 months, absolutely, positively, Roe versus Wade will be overturned.

01:03:44.060 Well, first of all, he's a vile liar, the man you just mentioned.

01:03:49.100 Wow.

01:03:49.460 And, I mean, it's just disgusting.

01:03:53.320 It really is.

01:03:54.540 He's a vile liar?

01:03:56.780 I don't believe that this man goes on to tell the truth at all.

01:04:01.900 Wow.

01:04:02.140 That's my opinion.

01:04:03.460 Okay.

01:04:04.120 Okay.

01:04:04.500 All right.

01:04:04.880 All right.

01:04:05.460 All right.

01:04:05.960 Okay.

01:04:06.200 And, you know, when you're quoting somebody like who is absolutely, all right, going to put, and as this goes back to the beginning of our conversation, is absolutely going to try to incite, incite, all right, people to do things they shouldn't do by saying, well, Roe v. Wade is going to be overturned in 18 months.

01:04:32.200 I know it.

01:04:33.120 You don't know anything.

01:04:34.280 That's speculation.

01:04:35.040 All right.

01:04:36.300 It's speculation.

01:04:37.440 In 18 months, how likely do you think that is to happen?

01:04:42.160 I don't think it's likely.

01:04:43.320 I don't either.

01:04:43.980 So, number one, you have to have a legitimate suit wind its way through the federal system.

01:04:49.860 Right.

01:04:50.360 Okay?

01:04:50.920 It just doesn't come out of nowhere.

01:04:52.080 Right.

01:04:52.680 And, number two, the Supreme Court is not going to be, even if there is a traditional judge appointed, not going to be so enthusiastic about just blowing up something.

01:05:05.020 Something that has been law for a long time and something that half the American people support, at least.

01:05:12.440 I have two minutes left, Bill.

01:05:14.700 Yeah.

01:05:14.840 Tell me what your thoughts were on the elections this week, especially with the wins of the Democratic Socialists.

01:05:26.560 I don't care about the elections this week.

01:05:30.700 I think the Democratic Socialists in the Bronx and Northern Queens won because that is a very, very poor district.

01:05:39.580 And she is a very good campaigner and went around and knocked on the doors and spoke to the folks, and she deserved to win.

01:05:47.860 And the guy that she beat has no connection to that district at all.

01:05:52.460 He's a white guy.

01:05:53.520 This is a very heavily minority district.

01:05:55.940 So I'm not surprised.

01:05:57.140 Does it have any wider implications?

01:05:59.320 No.

01:05:59.980 It's a very, very poor district.

01:06:03.000 And if you're going to tell them you're going to get everything free, they're going to vote for you.

01:06:07.540 And I would, too, if I lived there and had no money.

01:06:11.700 It's as simple as that.

01:06:12.980 That's what the woman did.

01:06:13.920 I'm going to give you everything.

01:06:15.000 All right.

01:06:15.340 Bill O'Reilly.

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01:06:19.440 And your new book is...

01:06:20.760 One thing, Beck.

01:06:21.360 Can I jump in?

01:06:22.320 Real quick.

01:06:22.660 I sent you an advance copy of Killing the SS.

01:06:26.580 Did you get it?

01:06:27.440 No, I have not gotten it.

01:06:28.860 I have to have it.

01:06:29.740 Oh, my God.

01:06:30.220 I will call you after the show.

01:06:31.940 I want it.

01:06:33.200 I'm going on vacation.

01:06:34.360 I want to read it.

01:06:35.780 I got one, too?

01:06:36.900 I got one, too.

01:06:37.620 Wow.

01:06:38.340 Well, I'll take his copy if mine doesn't arrive.

01:06:40.540 Bill O'Reilly from BillOReilly.com.

01:06:42.400 Thank you very much, Bill.

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01:08:15.140 Selina Zito and Brad Todd are joining us here in a second.

01:08:17.960 They wrote a book called The Great Revolt.

01:08:20.380 Selina is probably,

01:08:22.420 she should probably teach a class

01:08:26.980 just for the media

01:08:28.900 on how they have it wrong.

01:08:32.260 She is the one who saw Trump coming.

01:08:35.200 She understood why immediately.

01:08:39.720 She really has spent her time

01:08:42.680 in the center of the country.

01:08:45.120 And she understands America

01:08:47.740 and where we're headed.

01:08:49.120 I'm really excited to talk to her.

01:08:51.880 She's a good long-term friend

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01:08:57.060 And we're going to talk to her in a second.

01:08:59.420 Also, Mexico said,

01:09:00.880 hey, they're not going to help us on the drug war.

01:09:04.360 Why?

01:09:11.440 It's three o'clock in the morning

01:09:12.780 and the air is a little chilly and bitter

01:09:15.100 as Pamela Tiran leaves Bar Yardin.

01:09:19.680 It's a restaurant and a bar in the middle of the town.

01:09:22.680 She steps out into the empty plaza.

01:09:25.620 The sun isn't going to begin rising

01:09:27.780 for about three hours.

01:09:28.900 And Pamela is enjoying a festive night

01:09:31.640 before the elections bring higher tensions.

01:09:35.060 She's running for the town council

01:09:37.060 as the member of the Institutional Revolutionary Party.

01:09:41.300 She feels at home here in Mexico

01:09:43.740 in an indigenous little town

01:09:46.320 on the southwest corner of the country,

01:09:48.300 a brief car ride from the ocean.

01:09:51.360 Pamela has black hair,

01:09:52.780 a kind-hearted smile,

01:09:55.000 bracelets adorn her arm,

01:09:56.880 and she wears a modest,

01:09:58.240 hand-stitched dress

01:09:59.380 in an elaborate and colorful design.

01:10:01.860 A design you really could only find right there.

01:10:06.080 She's with her friend,

01:10:07.400 photojournalist Maria Del Sol,

01:10:09.740 and a man, her bodyguard,

01:10:11.180 who is also her driver.

01:10:13.120 The world around her is mostly quiet.

01:10:16.120 Tree frogs whistle,

01:10:18.720 croak,

01:10:19.620 ribbit,

01:10:20.100 and grunt.

01:10:21.860 In the distance,

01:10:22.560 a spider monkey

01:10:23.300 wails out its strange call.

01:10:27.220 In the daylight,

01:10:28.660 this place is paradise.

01:10:32.380 Cornfields weave into forests.

01:10:34.680 Ancestral homes sprawl to the railroad,

01:10:37.280 past the farm with cows and pigs

01:10:39.240 and goats and chickens.

01:10:41.360 Last year,

01:10:42.740 the region was struck

01:10:44.020 by one of the earthquakes in Mexico,

01:10:46.220 one of the most deadly

01:10:47.400 in the last century.

01:10:49.580 Pamela, at the time,

01:10:50.720 appeared on television,

01:10:52.260 asking for volunteers.

01:10:54.600 The video is eerie,

01:10:57.120 with her standing in the dark

01:10:58.520 as floodlights shine into the rubble,

01:11:01.020 people frantically searching

01:11:02.460 for life or bodies

01:11:03.720 as she looks into the camera.

01:11:05.580 Please,

01:11:06.420 we need more people to help us,

01:11:08.640 she said.

01:11:09.700 Please,

01:11:10.360 she was a doctor by profession.

01:11:14.300 She was also an activist

01:11:15.400 who ran organizations

01:11:17.240 for the dispossessed.

01:11:19.280 Two years ago,

01:11:20.320 she was a candidate for mayor.

01:11:23.000 Maybe,

01:11:23.760 maybe she's thinking about all of this

01:11:26.700 as she crosses the plaza to her car,

01:11:29.680 unaware of the cloaked figures

01:11:31.940 waiting for her in the darkness.

01:11:36.400 Inside the car,

01:11:37.480 they pause,

01:11:38.360 they pause,

01:11:39.600 stung by a strange feeling,

01:11:41.360 something ominous and sudden.

01:11:43.640 But before they can react,

01:11:45.220 the gunfire begins.

01:11:46.940 The killers empty their magazines

01:11:48.780 and then shove in another.

01:11:50.440 They make sure no one is left alive.

01:11:53.240 And then,

01:11:53.860 they vanish,

01:11:55.920 back into the darkness

01:11:57.940 and night.

01:11:58.980 On Monday,

01:12:03.040 the military helicopters

01:12:04.240 watched over the funeral.

01:12:06.320 At least a thousand people

01:12:07.800 attended.

01:12:09.340 The details of Pamela's death

01:12:11.480 are still spare.

01:12:13.200 Officials admit

01:12:13.880 that it may have been

01:12:15.300 gang-related

01:12:16.100 as her father,

01:12:17.040 Juan,

01:12:17.460 has a criminal record

01:12:18.400 and led relations

01:12:19.820 with the local cartel.

01:12:21.300 But either way,

01:12:23.720 her death is a far more

01:12:25.320 ominous trend

01:12:26.580 taking over the country

01:12:28.160 just to our south.

01:12:30.460 Since last September,

01:12:32.040 over 110 electoral candidates

01:12:34.900 have been murdered

01:12:35.960 throughout Mexico.

01:12:38.160 In the 24 hours before

01:12:39.580 Pamela's death alone,

01:12:41.340 armed civilians

01:12:42.240 murdered two women politicians

01:12:44.240 a few hours northwest.

01:12:45.600 The two women

01:12:47.320 had been rammed

01:12:48.080 into a ditch

01:12:48.800 late at night

01:12:49.760 and executed.

01:12:52.420 In the morning,

01:12:53.940 police uncovered the bodies.

01:12:55.800 The vehicle had been abandoned

01:12:57.040 and nothing had been stolen

01:12:58.560 from the women

01:12:59.120 or the car,

01:13:00.280 so police realized

01:13:01.420 it wasn't a robbery.

01:13:04.480 Mexico is on the verge

01:13:06.160 of presidential elections.

01:13:08.300 They begin July 1st

01:13:09.960 and the drug gangs

01:13:11.380 have been murdering

01:13:12.460 their way into the race.

01:13:14.480 From City Hall

01:13:15.300 all the way up.

01:13:17.260 Crime bosses

01:13:17.920 have implanted

01:13:18.820 their own batch

01:13:19.720 of politicians.

01:13:21.200 People who can be paid enough

01:13:22.680 to stay out of the way.

01:13:24.700 Criminal gangs

01:13:25.540 rove the country

01:13:26.520 eliminating any reformers

01:13:28.620 or any dissenters.

01:13:30.820 Journalists in Mexico

01:13:32.140 are now dying

01:13:32.860 at alarming rate,

01:13:34.220 a historical high.

01:13:36.220 So it's often hard to tell

01:13:38.180 for sure what happens

01:13:39.460 because now

01:13:41.180 people just vanish

01:13:43.300 in the dark.

01:13:45.300 At night

01:13:46.560 with the sound

01:13:48.580 and the croaks

01:13:49.620 and the whistle

01:13:50.860 of the tree frogs.

01:13:53.940 But the warring

01:13:55.300 drug cartels

01:13:56.500 are growing in strength

01:13:58.600 and getting bolder

01:14:00.220 by the day,

01:14:01.260 bringing their culture

01:14:02.180 of death

01:14:02.920 to every corner

01:14:03.940 of the country.

01:14:05.200 And we sit here

01:14:08.220 oblivious

01:14:09.580 wondering why

01:14:11.580 are so many people

01:14:13.620 trying to get across

01:14:15.200 our border.

01:14:24.760 Glenn Beck.

01:14:25.820 It's Thursday, June 28th.

01:14:27.880 You're listening to

01:14:28.680 the Glenn Beck Program.

01:14:29.700 I would say

01:14:30.820 that the next

01:14:31.320 Supreme Court Justice

01:14:32.220 of the United States

01:14:34.280 is going to be joining us

01:14:35.280 in about 30 minutes,

01:14:36.320 Mike Lee.

01:14:37.200 But if I endorse

01:14:38.540 or I'm excited about it,

01:14:40.040 it's the kiss of death.

01:14:41.700 So a guy who I really

01:14:43.040 don't want on the court

01:14:44.080 and I really don't like,

01:14:45.660 Mike Lee,

01:14:46.160 joining us

01:14:46.700 in about a half an hour.

01:14:48.980 There is,

01:14:49.940 you know,

01:14:50.140 this week,

01:14:50.600 he kind of started

01:14:51.140 with me on Sunday

01:14:52.660 with just a meltdown

01:14:54.460 on CNN

01:14:55.060 because I just

01:14:55.640 can't take,

01:14:56.880 I can't take

01:14:57.980 the reporters

01:14:58.820 anymore

01:14:59.700 and the journalists

01:15:00.560 anymore

01:15:01.180 who are presenting

01:15:03.060 themselves as really

01:15:04.200 trying to understand

01:15:05.240 and then they just

01:15:06.520 will not listen

01:15:07.260 to anybody

01:15:07.900 unless they're

01:15:09.060 in their little

01:15:09.520 cocktail circle.

01:15:10.800 Somebody who actually

01:15:12.040 works for CNN

01:15:14.320 is a reporter

01:15:15.620 for CNN

01:15:16.100 and I think

01:15:17.060 the best reporter

01:15:18.900 at CNN

01:15:20.440 and probably

01:15:22.120 I should say

01:15:22.800 in many places

01:15:24.260 one of the best

01:15:25.400 reporters in the country.

01:15:27.360 She gets it.

01:15:28.580 She saw Trump coming.

01:15:29.860 She understood why

01:15:31.120 and her and her

01:15:33.060 co-author Brad Todd

01:15:34.400 have done extensive research

01:15:37.420 into what's happening

01:15:38.520 in the country.

01:15:39.820 They put it together

01:15:40.340 in a new book

01:15:40.940 called The Great Revolt.

01:15:43.380 Selena Zito

01:15:44.080 is with us now

01:15:45.200 and co-author Brad Todd.

01:15:47.800 Selena,

01:15:48.200 how are you?

01:15:49.260 Hey Glenn,

01:15:50.320 how are you?

01:15:51.040 Nice to talk to you.

01:15:52.220 Good to talk to you.

01:15:52.940 I haven't talked to you

01:15:53.420 in a while

01:15:53.820 and I have to tell you

01:15:54.960 I read your stuff

01:15:56.460 I've always appreciated it

01:15:57.920 because you've always

01:15:58.980 anchored it in history

01:16:00.280 but now you're doing

01:16:02.880 something that

01:16:03.860 I think is a great service

01:16:05.260 and quite honestly

01:16:06.380 I wish more

01:16:07.540 reporters would listen

01:16:09.220 to you

01:16:09.720 because you understand

01:16:11.380 what's happening

01:16:12.600 in the country.

01:16:14.240 So let's

01:16:14.560 get into it real quick.

01:16:16.460 You say that there are

01:16:17.320 seven types

01:16:18.280 of Trump voters.

01:16:20.360 Selena,

01:16:20.680 can you tell me

01:16:21.360 tell me what those are?

01:16:23.400 Okay,

01:16:23.900 there's seven.

01:16:24.780 So Brad and I

01:16:25.880 started between

01:16:27.220 looking through data

01:16:29.780 but also through

01:16:30.880 anecdotal reporting

01:16:32.500 we're able to sort out

01:16:35.160 these seven different

01:16:36.560 archetypes.

01:16:37.220 Now they're not

01:16:38.120 all

01:16:39.000 of Trump voters.

01:16:40.880 Not every Trump voter

01:16:41.920 is going to follow

01:16:42.500 these archetypes

01:16:43.700 but these are the most

01:16:44.740 surprising ones.

01:16:45.580 The ones that

01:16:46.380 I kept seeing

01:16:47.760 and I kept

01:16:48.420 calling Brad

01:16:49.360 and saying

01:16:49.700 dude I'm seeing this

01:16:50.780 what's going on

01:16:52.300 but you know

01:16:53.760 most people missed.

01:16:56.160 So there's the

01:16:56.760 King Cyrus Christians

01:16:57.820 there's the shy

01:16:59.400 suburban voters

01:17:01.300 there's the

01:17:01.940 Rotary Republicans

01:17:03.020 there's the

01:17:03.800 girl gun power

01:17:04.900 there's the

01:17:05.800 Paralistas

01:17:06.600 and who am I missing?

01:17:09.240 The Paralistas

01:17:09.720 Rough Rebounders

01:17:11.100 and then red-blooded

01:17:12.020 and blue-collar.

01:17:13.300 Okay, can you

01:17:13.820 just quickly

01:17:14.720 hi Brad by the way

01:17:15.720 and Brad

01:17:16.360 are you doing

01:17:18.000 more of the

01:17:18.540 research stuff

01:17:19.520 because you did

01:17:20.580 the Great Revolt

01:17:21.840 survey.

01:17:23.420 Yeah, and Selina

01:17:24.280 and I have a great

01:17:25.280 partnership

01:17:25.760 you know

01:17:26.320 she travels

01:17:27.920 and I study charts

01:17:28.960 and it's not

01:17:31.180 quite that simple

01:17:32.780 but it works out

01:17:35.180 great

01:17:35.460 and if you're ever

01:17:35.900 going to write

01:17:36.300 a co-author

01:17:36.900 a book with

01:17:37.420 anybody Glenn

01:17:37.980 I would recommend

01:17:38.540 you co-author

01:17:39.160 it with Selina

01:17:39.740 Oh I know

01:17:40.560 she's unbelievable

01:17:41.660 so can you

01:17:43.860 just break down

01:17:44.740 those categories

01:17:45.500 just briefly

01:17:46.920 in each of them

01:17:47.860 so we can

01:17:48.280 understand what

01:17:49.100 each one is

01:17:49.900 Brad do you

01:17:50.260 want to do that?

01:17:51.500 Sure, the red-blooded

01:17:52.260 and blue-collared

01:17:52.940 voters

01:17:53.280 a lot of Trump

01:17:54.160 voters people

01:17:54.620 have talked about

01:17:55.260 they're mostly

01:17:56.380 voters who voted

01:17:57.040 for Democrats

01:17:57.640 most of their lives

01:17:58.400 many have voted

01:17:58.900 for Obama

01:17:59.520 Okay, hold on

01:18:00.240 hold on

01:18:00.660 hold on

01:18:01.000 hold on

01:18:02.240 hold on

01:18:02.540 hold on

01:18:02.840 this is something

01:18:04.200 I found in the book

01:18:04.900 that I have not

01:18:05.620 heard anywhere

01:18:06.260 I'm hearing about

01:18:08.140 blue-collar

01:18:08.820 but I am not

01:18:10.300 hearing that there

01:18:11.220 is a large number

01:18:12.520 of people who voted

01:18:13.420 for Donald Trump

01:18:14.240 that were Democrats

01:18:16.200 and voted for

01:18:17.540 Barack Obama

01:18:18.320 nobody's reporting

01:18:19.540 on that

01:18:20.080 Well you couldn't

01:18:21.840 have

01:18:21.960 he couldn't

01:18:22.880 have carried

01:18:23.440 Donald Trump

01:18:24.440 couldn't have

01:18:24.780 carried Pennsylvania

01:18:25.400 and Michigan

01:18:26.220 and Wisconsin

01:18:27.320 and Iowa

01:18:27.880 and Ohio

01:18:28.340 without getting

01:18:29.120 Obama voters

01:18:30.020 and a lot of

01:18:30.580 those voters

01:18:31.020 were blue-collar

01:18:31.920 in our

01:18:33.140 great revolt

01:18:34.220 survey

01:18:34.760 nearly a third

01:18:36.240 of the voters

01:18:36.720 said they had

01:18:37.320 voted for Obama

01:18:38.020 in either

01:18:38.640 the first or

01:18:39.860 second election

01:18:40.640 or both

01:18:41.220 Wow

01:18:41.860 and a lot

01:18:43.100 of those voters

01:18:43.600 fell into that

01:18:44.180 red-blooded

01:18:44.740 and blue-collared

01:18:45.900 archetype

01:18:47.080 we have another

01:18:47.860 group we call

01:18:48.620 Perouistas

01:18:49.220 because they

01:18:49.960 sort of remind

01:18:51.180 us of those

01:18:51.720 voters who got

01:18:52.440 activated by

01:18:53.240 Ross Perot

01:18:53.900 in 1992

01:18:54.600 people who'd

01:18:55.360 been checked

01:18:55.780 out of politics

01:18:56.420 for decades

01:18:57.040 and suddenly

01:18:57.540 checked in

01:18:58.120 and if you

01:18:58.760 read the book

01:18:59.220 you'll find

01:18:59.600 a woman who

01:19:00.500 didn't register

01:19:00.960 to vote until

01:19:01.360 she was 70

01:19:01.920 years old

01:19:02.360 Donald Trump's

01:19:02.860 her first

01:19:03.240 vote for

01:19:03.640 president ever

01:19:04.300 and that

01:19:06.720 kind of

01:19:07.400 those voters

01:19:07.960 we call them

01:19:08.300 the shock

01:19:08.680 troops of

01:19:09.140 American democracy

01:19:10.020 they only come

01:19:10.680 in for something

01:19:11.160 really different

01:19:11.800 rough rebounders

01:19:13.520 are people

01:19:13.920 who probably

01:19:14.400 are Trump's

01:19:14.840 biggest fans

01:19:15.560 they're less

01:19:16.800 conservative

01:19:17.280 than the average

01:19:17.980 Trump voter

01:19:18.520 they're more

01:19:18.980 secular than

01:19:19.640 the average

01:19:20.000 Trump voter

01:19:20.500 but they're

01:19:20.780 people who

01:19:21.100 had a big

01:19:21.460 setback in

01:19:22.120 their own

01:19:22.400 life and

01:19:22.820 they saw

01:19:23.180 him as an

01:19:23.620 underdog

01:19:24.040 they thought

01:19:24.400 the whole

01:19:24.700 system was

01:19:25.220 out to get

01:19:25.640 him in

01:19:25.880 politics and

01:19:26.480 they identified

01:19:26.960 with that

01:19:27.540 we think

01:19:28.760 that's about

01:19:29.060 6% of his

01:19:29.960 total vote

01:19:30.960 give or take

01:19:34.220 girl gunpower

01:19:35.380 are women

01:19:35.860 who should

01:19:36.820 have been

01:19:37.040 persuaded by

01:19:37.700 Hillary's

01:19:38.280 campaign which

01:19:39.140 was entirely

01:19:39.760 aimed at

01:19:40.280 suburban women

01:19:40.960 and at

01:19:41.860 women with

01:19:42.340 kids in

01:19:42.700 the home

01:19:43.040 if you

01:19:43.320 remember all

01:19:43.860 the TV

01:19:44.240 ads with

01:19:44.740 Donald Trump

01:19:45.300 cursing on

01:19:45.860 stage and

01:19:46.300 looked at

01:19:46.600 through the

01:19:46.840 eyes of

01:19:47.160 children

01:19:47.480 but these

01:19:48.920 women girl

01:19:49.460 gunpower

01:19:49.840 voted on

01:19:50.480 the issue

01:19:50.940 of the

01:19:51.260 second

01:19:51.460 amendment

01:19:51.780 they voted

01:19:52.400 on the

01:19:52.680 right of

01:19:52.960 self-defense

01:19:53.620 in spite

01:19:54.620 of misgivings

01:19:55.440 about Trump

01:19:55.920 and in spite

01:19:56.400 of Hillary's

01:19:56.980 campaign

01:19:57.260 toward them

01:19:58.040 rotary

01:19:59.280 reliable

01:19:59.820 are college

01:20:01.420 educated

01:20:01.940 voters

01:20:02.340 sort of

01:20:02.740 business

01:20:03.080 types

01:20:03.480 who are

01:20:04.220 a very

01:20:04.540 republican

01:20:05.020 group of

01:20:05.580 voters

01:20:05.840 normally

01:20:06.300 however

01:20:07.260 the difference

01:20:08.200 with these

01:20:08.560 folks is they're

01:20:09.040 small town

01:20:09.640 college educated

01:20:10.460 republicans

01:20:11.100 and medium

01:20:11.500 sized town

01:20:12.120 college educated

01:20:12.880 republicans

01:20:13.460 which means

01:20:13.940 they have

01:20:14.760 one thing

01:20:15.280 very different

01:20:15.940 from their

01:20:16.420 suburban

01:20:16.900 peers

01:20:17.520 their suburban

01:20:18.880 peers

01:20:19.380 many of them

01:20:20.360 who were

01:20:20.780 republican

01:20:21.240 defected

01:20:21.880 from Trump

01:20:22.340 Trump ran

01:20:23.000 worse in

01:20:23.460 most every

01:20:23.940 suburban

01:20:24.320 county in

01:20:24.820 America

01:20:25.140 than Mitt

01:20:26.440 Romney

01:20:26.720 had run

01:20:27.160 but Trump

01:20:28.360 did very

01:20:28.840 well among

01:20:29.360 college educated

01:20:30.120 voters who

01:20:30.620 lived in

01:20:31.000 smaller places

01:20:31.900 so those

01:20:32.580 rotary

01:20:32.880 reliables

01:20:33.480 are a

01:20:34.580 group you

01:20:34.880 might have

01:20:35.180 thought would

01:20:35.480 have defected

01:20:36.080 King Cyrus

01:20:36.720 Christians

01:20:37.260 those are

01:20:37.980 evangelicals

01:20:38.900 and conservative

01:20:39.440 Catholics

01:20:39.860 who obviously

01:20:41.940 didn't identify

01:20:42.640 with Trump

01:20:43.100 some of Trump's

01:20:43.600 lifestyle and

01:20:44.200 behavior choices

01:20:45.140 who'd have

01:20:46.060 thought that

01:20:46.560 a regular

01:20:47.420 guest on

01:20:47.900 the Howard

01:20:48.220 Stern show

01:20:48.900 and a man

01:20:50.260 who's

01:20:50.800 cavorted with

01:20:51.580 playmates

01:20:52.060 and you know

01:20:53.220 would ever be

01:20:54.380 the favorite

01:20:54.860 candidate of

01:20:55.340 evangelicals

01:20:55.980 Trump maybe

01:20:56.400 got 85-88%

01:20:57.660 of the evangelicals

01:20:58.540 just a huge

01:20:59.160 number

01:20:59.540 we contend

01:21:01.860 that that was

01:21:02.700 a transaction

01:21:03.340 for them

01:21:03.800 they were

01:21:04.740 threatened by

01:21:05.280 religious liberty

01:21:05.920 and they

01:21:07.380 found a

01:21:07.800 pagan

01:21:08.120 not a pagan

01:21:08.880 if you will

01:21:09.340 but the

01:21:09.580 metaphor

01:21:10.480 is to

01:21:10.960 King Cyrus

01:21:11.940 who was a

01:21:12.300 pagan king

01:21:12.940 of Babylon

01:21:13.560 and sent

01:21:14.880 the imprisoned

01:21:16.140 Jews home

01:21:17.400 to Israel

01:21:18.020 and so

01:21:18.600 that group

01:21:20.360 of King Cyrus

01:21:20.960 Christians

01:21:21.300 in many ways

01:21:22.000 allied with

01:21:22.760 someone outside

01:21:23.900 their faith

01:21:25.260 stream in

01:21:26.360 Donald Trump

01:21:26.800 to protect

01:21:27.260 religious liberty

01:21:27.980 silent suburban

01:21:29.220 moms is the

01:21:29.860 last one

01:21:30.420 and the reason

01:21:31.840 that category

01:21:33.180 is one to

01:21:33.680 itself

01:21:34.060 is obviously

01:21:35.340 Hillary's

01:21:35.840 campaign was

01:21:36.320 mainly aimed

01:21:36.960 at women

01:21:37.980 mainly upscale

01:21:38.720 college educated

01:21:39.560 suburban white

01:21:41.180 women for the

01:21:41.720 most part

01:21:42.180 trying to peel

01:21:42.880 them away from

01:21:43.460 their Republican

01:21:44.000 tendencies

01:21:44.520 and a lot

01:21:45.560 of women

01:21:45.820 resisted

01:21:46.380 that

01:21:46.600 they didn't

01:21:47.060 talk about

01:21:47.560 it

01:21:47.780 up to

01:21:48.560 30%

01:21:49.080 of Trump's

01:21:49.580 voters

01:21:49.820 on our

01:21:50.180 survey

01:21:50.420 said

01:21:50.720 that

01:21:51.280 at one

01:21:51.700 point

01:21:51.980 they'd

01:21:52.260 been

01:21:52.480 either

01:21:52.900 embarrassed

01:21:53.340 or

01:21:53.640 anxious

01:21:54.900 about

01:21:55.220 telling

01:21:55.460 their friends

01:21:55.920 they were

01:21:56.180 supporting

01:21:56.540 Donald

01:21:56.800 Trump

01:21:57.080 because

01:21:57.300 they knew

01:21:57.640 they'd

01:21:57.960 disapprove

01:21:58.540 and this

01:21:59.680 silent suburban

01:22:00.400 moms group

01:22:01.240 it's a majority

01:22:01.860 of those

01:22:02.220 women felt

01:22:02.720 that way

01:22:03.220 so Selena

01:22:04.760 tell me

01:22:07.080 because I know

01:22:08.360 the description

01:22:08.940 that you get

01:22:09.640 on television

01:22:10.280 and when I

01:22:11.240 hear the

01:22:11.660 description

01:22:12.140 of Trump

01:22:12.920 voters

01:22:13.320 it's easy

01:22:15.020 to watch

01:22:15.740 him in

01:22:16.760 you know

01:22:17.840 one of his

01:22:18.540 rallies

01:22:18.940 and see the

01:22:20.400 highlights that

01:22:21.180 they've pulled

01:22:21.780 where there is

01:22:22.540 somebody who

01:22:23.200 is you know

01:22:24.120 he's saying

01:22:24.740 something vile

01:22:25.600 and somebody

01:22:26.160 else is doing

01:22:26.940 something vile

01:22:27.620 I don't

01:22:29.700 want to

01:22:30.040 believe

01:22:30.420 that that

01:22:30.860 is you

01:22:31.380 know the

01:22:31.680 majority

01:22:32.140 of the

01:22:32.720 country

01:22:33.280 you know

01:22:34.380 they could

01:22:34.660 elect a

01:22:35.060 president

01:22:35.360 and I

01:22:35.780 don't

01:22:36.080 think that

01:22:36.520 it is

01:22:36.940 can you

01:22:37.460 take the

01:22:38.540 cartoon

01:22:39.180 away

01:22:39.840 and describe

01:22:40.900 the typical

01:22:43.320 Trump voter

01:22:44.180 and then

01:22:46.740 the most

01:22:47.360 surprising

01:22:48.160 Trump voter

01:22:49.140 to you

01:22:49.600 well let's

01:22:51.440 step back

01:22:51.900 for a second

01:22:52.340 I think part

01:22:53.020 of the problem

01:22:53.620 with my

01:22:54.400 profession

01:22:54.940 is that

01:22:56.240 they fly

01:22:57.380 they all

01:22:57.940 fly in

01:22:58.420 together

01:22:58.780 and I

01:22:59.500 saw this

01:22:59.880 on the

01:23:00.120 election

01:23:00.500 during the

01:23:01.540 election

01:23:01.960 so they

01:23:02.840 would all

01:23:03.220 fly in

01:23:03.740 together

01:23:04.120 they all

01:23:04.780 land at

01:23:05.160 the airport

01:23:05.580 they all

01:23:06.020 stay at

01:23:06.400 the Marriott

01:23:07.560 by the

01:23:08.060 airport

01:23:08.340 and get

01:23:08.680 their points

01:23:09.280 right

01:23:09.620 they all

01:23:10.320 drive in

01:23:10.860 together

01:23:11.240 and they

01:23:11.660 get to

01:23:11.960 the event

01:23:12.480 about seven

01:23:13.200 minutes

01:23:13.540 before it

01:23:14.100 stays

01:23:14.380 and you

01:23:15.140 know

01:23:15.280 we're all

01:23:15.620 there

01:23:15.820 we're all

01:23:16.520 and at

01:23:16.860 this point

01:23:17.280 this is

01:23:18.020 when I

01:23:18.360 joined

01:23:18.620 and we're

01:23:18.920 all in

01:23:19.300 like the

01:23:19.620 same

01:23:19.900 little

01:23:20.280 cornered

01:23:21.440 off area

01:23:21.940 and we

01:23:22.220 cover it

01:23:22.780 so what

01:23:23.560 happens is

01:23:24.500 is when

01:23:25.100 they get

01:23:25.560 there

01:23:25.920 you're on

01:23:26.500 the deadline

01:23:26.940 and you

01:23:27.520 gotta write

01:23:27.860 a story

01:23:28.320 and sometimes

01:23:29.000 your instincts

01:23:29.660 are blurred

01:23:30.360 when you

01:23:32.040 are under

01:23:33.040 those kinds

01:23:33.580 of high

01:23:34.040 pressure

01:23:34.340 conditions

01:23:34.840 and you

01:23:36.020 find the

01:23:36.540 oddest

01:23:36.980 person

01:23:37.500 and then

01:23:38.300 you

01:23:38.480 focus on

01:23:40.140 that person

01:23:40.760 and then

01:23:41.600 you pick

01:23:42.960 out the

01:23:43.300 seven worst

01:23:43.880 quotes

01:23:44.380 that he

01:23:45.040 says

01:23:45.680 and mostly

01:23:47.260 out of

01:23:47.780 context

01:23:48.540 and you

01:23:50.500 would watch

01:23:51.140 every

01:23:51.820 network

01:23:52.940 and every

01:23:53.800 cable news

01:23:54.580 station

01:23:54.920 and every

01:23:55.240 social media

01:23:56.320 sort of

01:23:57.080 platform

01:23:57.600 that's

01:23:58.300 everyone's

01:23:58.960 story

01:23:59.280 right

01:23:59.660 that's not

01:24:00.520 how I

01:24:00.960 approach it

01:24:01.640 I never

01:24:02.900 fly

01:24:03.480 I always

01:24:04.580 drive

01:24:04.960 no matter

01:24:05.320 where I'm

01:24:05.960 going

01:24:06.240 I never

01:24:06.680 take an

01:24:07.060 interstate

01:24:07.560 I always

01:24:08.000 take a

01:24:08.380 back road

01:24:08.840 and I

01:24:09.100 always stay

01:24:09.660 in a town

01:24:10.300 two to

01:24:11.180 three days

01:24:11.740 before a

01:24:12.680 rally and

01:24:13.380 or event

01:24:13.980 is about

01:24:14.560 to happen

01:24:15.380 I never

01:24:15.980 stay in a

01:24:16.360 hotel

01:24:16.680 I stay in

01:24:17.080 a bed and

01:24:17.440 breakfast

01:24:17.760 so the

01:24:18.540 first person

01:24:19.000 I meet

01:24:19.300 is a

01:24:19.540 small

01:24:19.680 business

01:24:20.000 person

01:24:20.380 they

01:24:20.860 pretty much

01:24:21.400 know where

01:24:21.700 all the

01:24:21.880 bodies

01:24:22.180 are buried

01:24:22.540 in town

01:24:22.920 they know

01:24:23.280 what's going

01:24:23.660 on in town

01:24:24.320 and I

01:24:24.820 get to know

01:24:25.420 a community

01:24:26.020 I go to

01:24:26.840 church with

01:24:28.020 them

01:24:28.260 I go to

01:24:28.620 a basketball

01:24:29.200 game

01:24:29.560 high school

01:24:30.120 basketball

01:24:30.560 game

01:24:31.020 and so

01:24:32.400 when I

01:24:32.860 get to

01:24:33.240 the rally

01:24:33.700 I get

01:24:34.080 there like

01:24:34.520 four hours

01:24:35.200 ahead of time

01:24:35.920 and it's

01:24:36.900 like a

01:24:37.360 tailgate

01:24:37.920 party

01:24:38.380 I mean

01:24:38.740 these

01:24:39.400 people

01:24:40.140 these voters

01:24:41.460 are very

01:24:42.580 aspirational

01:24:43.660 it's one

01:24:44.460 of the

01:24:44.720 things that

01:24:45.220 people miss

01:24:46.040 about

01:24:46.640 the

01:24:47.240 phrase

01:24:47.960 the catch

01:24:48.520 phrase

01:24:48.880 the campaign

01:24:49.700 phrase

01:24:49.980 make America

01:24:50.880 great again

01:24:51.600 they thought

01:24:53.740 it was hokey

01:24:54.700 I heard

01:24:55.640 Madeleine Albright

01:24:56.560 call it a

01:24:57.200 dog whistle

01:24:57.920 you know

01:24:58.760 and they think

01:24:59.600 it's nostalgic

01:25:00.240 and people

01:25:00.760 rooted in the

01:25:01.520 past

01:25:01.960 what it is

01:25:02.760 is very

01:25:03.180 aspirational

01:25:04.060 it captures

01:25:04.640 that aspiration

01:25:05.920 that is very

01:25:06.580 much a part

01:25:07.320 of the DNA

01:25:07.860 of the American

01:25:08.540 people

01:25:09.020 whether you

01:25:09.700 have lived

01:25:10.400 here for

01:25:10.880 two weeks

01:25:11.480 or seven

01:25:12.660 generations

01:25:13.360 you know

01:25:14.420 people want

01:25:15.460 to be part

01:25:15.880 of something

01:25:16.240 bigger than

01:25:16.760 themselves

01:25:17.220 and so

01:25:17.840 that's

01:25:18.560 that's

01:25:18.960 more

01:25:19.520 what the

01:25:20.500 average

01:25:21.020 Trump

01:25:21.440 voter is

01:25:22.260 than the

01:25:23.380 stereotype

01:25:23.980 of being

01:25:25.220 uneducated

01:25:26.240 lazy

01:25:26.800 bigoted

01:25:28.680 racist

01:25:29.320 you know

01:25:29.980 the sort

01:25:30.540 of catchphrase

01:25:31.820 that we

01:25:32.120 see all the

01:25:32.920 time on

01:25:33.620 the news

01:25:34.160 it's much

01:25:35.400 more

01:25:36.140 it's much

01:25:38.720 more about

01:25:39.240 their community

01:25:40.100 you know

01:25:40.960 Brad will

01:25:41.780 tell you

01:25:42.340 in the

01:25:43.840 survey

01:25:44.180 that he

01:25:44.560 did

01:25:44.860 these

01:25:45.740 voters

01:25:46.480 I think

01:25:47.340 the number

01:25:47.660 was 84%

01:25:48.880 are

01:25:49.540 feel good

01:25:51.100 about their

01:25:52.020 lives going

01:25:52.660 forward

01:25:52.980 and the

01:25:53.260 country's

01:25:53.700 going forward

01:25:54.260 but they're

01:25:54.820 very concerned

01:25:55.560 about their

01:25:56.100 community

01:25:56.560 so it's

01:25:57.280 not nationalism

01:25:58.120 it's localism

01:25:59.800 wow you don't

01:26:01.620 hear that

01:26:02.020 hang on just a

01:26:03.200 second I need

01:26:03.780 to take a

01:26:04.440 quick break

01:26:05.460 and Brad you

01:26:06.220 pick it up

01:26:06.700 with the

01:26:07.120 survey data

01:26:09.620 that backs

01:26:10.140 that up

01:26:10.600 you do

01:26:11.260 not hear

01:26:12.060 this

01:26:12.520 anywhere

01:26:13.680 in the

01:26:14.700 mainstream

01:26:15.060 media

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01:28:02.900 Glenn Beck we're

01:28:06.220 talking to Selena

01:28:07.280 Zito and Brad

01:28:08.480 Todd authors of

01:28:10.060 the great revolt

01:28:11.500 inside the populist

01:28:12.400 coalition reshaping

01:28:13.300 American politics

01:28:14.160 who are telling us

01:28:15.260 all kinds of

01:28:16.220 things that Trump

01:28:17.360 supporters are not

01:28:18.620 what the mainstream

01:28:19.620 media is making

01:28:20.400 them out to be

01:28:21.000 surprise surprise

01:28:21.740 but some fascinating

01:28:24.140 facts let's pick it

01:28:25.340 up Brad where you

01:28:26.300 where we left off

01:28:27.520 you were about to

01:28:28.160 say well 87% of

01:28:31.380 Trump voters are

01:28:33.020 actually optimistic

01:28:33.920 about their future

01:28:35.420 career growth or

01:28:36.220 financial situation

01:28:37.320 which of course

01:28:38.120 flies in the face

01:28:38.920 of the narrative

01:28:39.920 that most of the

01:28:40.460 mainstream media

01:28:41.140 painted of Trump

01:28:41.860 voters being

01:28:42.460 destitute and

01:28:43.240 strung out on

01:28:43.760 heroin and you

01:28:44.600 know living in the

01:28:45.380 shadow of a

01:28:45.880 rusted out factory

01:28:47.000 but now that

01:28:48.420 optimism does not

01:28:49.580 go and it's a very

01:28:50.480 optimistic group of

01:28:51.440 people but they're

01:28:52.320 scared to death about

01:28:53.040 their communities

01:28:53.640 though only 58% of

01:28:56.320 Trump voters in the

01:28:57.000 Rust Belt in our

01:28:57.680 survey for this book

01:28:58.620 the great revolt say

01:28:59.580 that they their

01:29:00.340 community has fewer

01:29:01.340 or has more job

01:29:03.040 opportunities than it

01:29:03.940 did just 10 years

01:29:04.760 ago and you know

01:29:05.900 the communities we

01:29:06.700 went to to find

01:29:07.420 these voters were

01:29:08.240 all had switched

01:29:09.320 from Obama to

01:29:10.000 Trump there are 10

01:29:10.700 counties in the five

01:29:11.620 Great Lakes states

01:29:12.420 and if you look at

01:29:13.300 places like Ashtabule

01:29:14.260 Ohio which hadn't

01:29:16.040 hadn't voted for

01:29:16.740 Republican in a

01:29:17.540 generation for

01:29:18.220 president its

01:29:18.820 population today is

01:29:19.840 about the same as it

01:29:20.700 was in 1970 you know

01:29:22.480 in the country is

01:29:23.060 40 something percent

01:29:23.840 bigger than it was at

01:29:24.740 that time so it's a

01:29:25.880 the economic

01:29:26.940 opportunities in these

01:29:27.900 communities certainly

01:29:28.640 are challenging in a

01:29:31.560 lot of places where

01:29:32.300 folks supported

01:29:33.380 Donald Trump but

01:29:34.020 they're actually pretty

01:29:35.120 pretty bullish on

01:29:36.160 their own chances

01:29:36.860 Selina you see I

01:29:38.120 mean I know you

01:29:38.780 talked to plenty of

01:29:39.760 people who were

01:29:40.620 enthusiastic supporters

01:29:41.700 but you also talked

01:29:42.840 to some people who

01:29:44.000 had a struggle in the

01:29:46.640 voting booth and

01:29:47.360 really had to come to

01:29:48.140 terms really like some

01:29:49.460 things really didn't

01:29:50.340 like other things I

01:29:51.780 think that is typical

01:29:53.100 maybe this one was a

01:29:54.340 little more exaggerated

01:29:55.300 why is it that we

01:29:56.940 don't seem to see

01:29:59.340 that why is there

01:30:01.620 such a demand for

01:30:03.020 Trump purism that if

01:30:05.660 you don't agree with

01:30:06.540 everything then you

01:30:08.840 are an enemy

01:30:09.840 right you know that I

01:30:12.860 mean you're right okay

01:30:14.460 so it is it always is a

01:30:16.200 struggle it's binary

01:30:17.060 choice it's and and so

01:30:19.100 you have to face what

01:30:20.680 is most important to

01:30:21.960 you and sometimes it's a

01:30:23.600 buffet of decisions

01:30:24.640 and mostly with

01:30:26.540 Trump it was the

01:30:28.140 concern was more on

01:30:30.220 his comportment and

01:30:31.940 and not on some of

01:30:34.080 the promises that he

01:30:35.140 was making right so

01:30:36.740 that was that was more

01:30:38.340 the struggle than

01:30:39.740 ideology I mean he's

01:30:41.200 not a very ideological

01:30:43.100 person Brad and I

01:30:45.340 argue that he blew up

01:30:46.720 both parties in a lot

01:30:48.420 of ways you know you

01:30:49.580 know I mean he kept

01:30:50.460 telling I'm not signing

01:30:51.700 the pledge I might run

01:30:53.460 as an independent so

01:30:54.940 he hurt the Republican

01:30:56.740 establishment as much

01:30:58.080 as he hurt the

01:30:59.080 Democratic establishment

01:31:00.680 and and that kind of

01:31:03.360 you know people were

01:31:04.580 really hungry for that

01:31:06.040 I mean I think the

01:31:07.080 importance and and

01:31:08.360 Brad you can correct me

01:31:09.380 if I'm wrong but I

01:31:10.420 think one of the most

01:31:11.240 important things about

01:31:12.600 the Great Revolt to

01:31:13.920 read and understand and

01:31:15.340 sort of use almost like

01:31:17.180 your blueprint or your

01:31:18.740 Bible and understanding

01:31:19.860 the country now and

01:31:22.160 going forward is that

01:31:23.820 this movement has been

01:31:25.920 going on for a very

01:31:26.860 long time and he is not

01:31:29.560 the cause of it he's

01:31:31.240 just the result of it

01:31:32.520 yeah and and movements

01:31:33.920 tend to take scheme

01:31:36.040 uh rather than I mean

01:31:38.240 if this movement if the

01:31:40.240 movement's high point is

01:31:41.440 going to be Mount Everest

01:31:42.440 you guys we're on base

01:31:44.520 camp we've got a lot more

01:31:47.400 to go so so this is

01:31:49.240 what this is what

01:31:49.980 disturbs me actually

01:31:50.900 because I believe that

01:31:52.200 um but I believe for

01:31:54.140 instance the media I

01:31:55.520 have tried to get the

01:31:57.100 media they are just

01:31:58.460 making you know they

01:31:59.480 say we want to stop it

01:32:00.580 no you don't no you

01:32:01.860 don't because you don't

01:32:03.400 understand what you're

01:32:04.200 doing and every move

01:32:05.420 that they make they

01:32:07.520 actually make him

01:32:08.740 stronger every time it

01:32:10.740 just proves to people

01:32:12.000 that yeah you know

01:32:12.780 what they're they're

01:32:13.700 absolutely out of touch

01:32:15.360 you know what Glenn I

01:32:17.220 think Donald Trump's

01:32:18.040 highest skill set is

01:32:19.620 choosing his enemies

01:32:20.620 uh and he he builds

01:32:23.000 his coalition by

01:32:24.340 choosing enemies there

01:32:25.260 are a lot of people

01:32:25.920 who feel like that the

01:32:27.280 media and and popular

01:32:28.580 culture in Hollywood

01:32:29.580 looks down their nose at

01:32:30.800 them and when they see

01:32:32.180 those same forces

01:32:33.280 attacking Donald Trump

01:32:34.400 it draws them closer to

01:32:36.100 Trump even if they don't

01:32:36.920 agree with everything he

01:32:38.000 says or tweets or does

01:32:39.220 yeah uh and I think

01:32:40.440 that you know one thing

01:32:41.480 that a lot of people are

01:32:42.260 the political handicappers

01:32:43.340 who missed Trump the

01:32:44.200 first time and I got to

01:32:45.020 tell you I missed him

01:32:45.700 in the primaries I

01:32:47.020 didn't I didn't predict

01:32:47.900 he'd be the nominee I

01:32:48.780 predicted predicted the

01:32:49.620 opposite several times

01:32:50.700 uh and so it's uh luckily

01:32:52.900 Glenn I'm the only person

01:32:53.940 that missed it out there

01:32:54.760 you know

01:32:55.040 you don't want to say

01:32:59.500 that on this program

01:33:00.340 a lot of a lot of people

01:33:04.160 who are predicting how

01:33:05.040 these elections are going

01:33:05.940 to go have to think

01:33:07.560 really hard about this

01:33:08.440 Supreme Court choice and

01:33:09.540 how it affects it because

01:33:10.820 plenty of Trump voters

01:33:12.120 picked him in spite of

01:33:13.720 reservations because of

01:33:15.600 the Supreme Court you'll

01:33:16.500 find that in this book

01:33:17.420 a lot of us the stories

01:33:18.340 and the data behind that

01:33:19.560 that sort of calculated

01:33:21.020 gamble well those voters

01:33:22.440 don't have to take a

01:33:23.140 gamble anymore if the

01:33:24.240 Supreme Court matters to

01:33:25.400 you yeah Donald Trump

01:33:26.600 picked Neil Gorsuch he's

01:33:27.600 getting ready to pick

01:33:28.280 another strong conservative

01:33:29.320 you know it's it's the

01:33:31.060 scales are a lot more

01:33:32.280 tipped and so there may

01:33:33.320 be more people who come

01:33:34.700 out to support Trump and

01:33:35.660 his allies in the midterms

01:33:36.800 than supported him so um

01:33:38.400 Brad and Selena I'd love

01:33:39.780 to have you guys on again

01:33:40.920 and continue this

01:33:41.660 conversation I have Mike

01:33:42.640 Lee coming up next so I

01:33:43.740 I've got to cut it here

01:33:44.700 but uh I I will tell you

01:33:46.600 that I I think you're

01:33:47.900 right and I think that it

01:33:49.960 might even be some

01:33:51.000 Democrats as the Democrats

01:33:53.200 continue to go hard hard

01:33:56.080 hard left uh I I think

01:33:59.180 there's more of a hunger

01:34:00.380 for some common sense and

01:34:03.680 believe it or not a lot of

01:34:05.260 people are looking at him

01:34:06.820 as common sense he's

01:34:08.660 getting it done the great

01:34:10.000 revolt is the name of the

01:34:11.220 book inside the populist

01:34:12.440 coalition reshaping

01:34:13.860 American politics

01:34:14.940 Celine Zita Selena Zito

01:34:16.700 and uh Brad Todd thanks

01:34:18.100 for being a part of the

01:34:18.740 program

01:34:19.080 Mike Lee who I want to

01:34:26.080 make it very clear every

01:34:27.360 time I am for somebody it

01:34:29.640 becomes a train wreck so I

01:34:31.800 am absolutely dead set 100

01:34:34.160 percent against Mike Lee

01:34:36.320 for uh the uh Supreme

01:34:38.160 Court justice in fact I'm

01:34:39.900 not for any anyone in the

01:34:42.160 Lee family uh being

01:34:43.520 appointed for the Supreme

01:34:44.880 Court I'm against it and

01:34:46.680 he's only joining us now

01:34:48.040 under protest my protest

01:34:50.440 Mike Lee how are you

01:34:51.980 doing great it's good to

01:34:54.580 know apparently that comes

01:34:55.460 with some sort of good luck

01:34:56.560 if you're against anyone

01:34:57.480 with the last name of Lee

01:34:58.840 I'll tell my brother we're

01:35:00.040 in good shape now yeah yeah

01:35:01.320 you tell him Glenn Beck

01:35:02.300 said the last thing America

01:35:04.060 should want is a Lee on the

01:35:06.220 Supreme Court and uh you

01:35:08.460 watch the magic happen now

01:35:09.960 um so Mike I'm not I don't

01:35:12.480 want to put you in a in an

01:35:13.760 awkward situation at all so

01:35:15.900 feel free to uh you know

01:35:18.940 avoid any answer and just

01:35:20.340 say I don't I don't want to

01:35:21.300 answer um but uh come on

01:35:23.880 this is pretty cool right I

01:35:25.260 mean even that even even that

01:35:27.380 people are talking about it

01:35:28.920 even if it's not in the Oval

01:35:30.760 Office I mean right oh of course

01:35:33.560 it is of course it is and look I

01:35:35.200 I'm a law geek I am somebody

01:35:37.780 who started watching Supreme

01:35:39.520 Court arguments uh when I was

01:35:41.260 10 years old for fun I went to

01:35:43.720 the Supreme Court with my dad

01:35:44.760 to watch him argue and turned

01:35:46.260 into a uh a habit I found that

01:35:49.180 I quite enjoyed it so yeah to

01:35:50.960 even be considered uh for this

01:35:52.540 is a real honor who knows what

01:35:53.800 will happen but I I'm glad my

01:35:55.700 name's in the mix and that my

01:35:56.780 brother's is too so after you

01:35:58.300 tell me something like that I

01:35:59.840 have to follow it up with a

01:36:00.980 question uh your children are

01:36:04.500 adopted or no it was some you

01:36:09.460 went to a fertility clinic and

01:36:12.500 you weren't involved at all I

01:36:13.740 mean how did that work with

01:36:15.460 your with your I mean because

01:36:18.140 that's magic I mean somebody who

01:36:19.600 says at 10 years old I was

01:36:20.900 watching the cases come down

01:36:22.240 you're a magic guy you really

01:36:24.600 are look my my wife Sharon my

01:36:28.220 wife Sharon finds these things

01:36:30.060 endearing for whatever reason

01:36:31.720 okay so um they're hard right

01:36:35.060 so let me talk to you a little

01:36:36.540 bit about the Senate um I I'm

01:36:41.040 really concerned uh about the

01:36:44.200 direction that we're we're headed

01:36:45.920 in are we holding this back for

01:36:49.160 the midterm election or is this

01:36:52.140 possible that we'll have a vote in

01:36:54.520 September do you know no I I

01:36:56.640 think it's very likely I think

01:36:58.480 it's a near certainty that we

01:37:00.320 will have a vote uh at some time

01:37:02.880 late summer or early oh we need

01:37:05.360 to get this person confirmed

01:37:06.500 before the Supreme Court starts

01:37:08.040 its new term in October and I I

01:37:10.760 think that's the plan and I do

01:37:11.660 think that's what will happen

01:37:12.700 wow that's great news I I heard

01:37:14.560 that we were uh possibly or Mitch

01:37:17.080 McConnell was possibly holding it

01:37:18.660 back uh to uh uh to closer to the

01:37:22.200 midterms uh which I just think will

01:37:24.900 tear us apart I mean yeah you know

01:37:27.440 I don't want to speak for him if

01:37:29.300 if he has said that in the last few

01:37:31.240 hours that's news to me I'm not

01:37:33.120 sure why we would want to hold it

01:37:34.460 back because again when the Supreme

01:37:35.820 Court starts I don't know why we

01:37:37.380 wouldn't want to have the person on

01:37:39.280 the court correct uh and we're

01:37:41.140 talking about a matter of weeks

01:37:42.520 anyway between the time the court's

01:37:45.000 term would start and the midterm

01:37:46.960 election so Ted Cruz said yesterday

01:37:49.260 that he doesn't want somebody who is a

01:37:51.500 conservative on the court he wants

01:37:53.520 somebody who's a constitutionalist on

01:37:55.540 the court I think that's perfectly

01:37:57.740 reasonable um but I don't think

01:38:00.280 that's what the left wants Schumer no

01:38:01.860 matter who is no matter who is

01:38:03.740 selected they are going to be the

01:38:06.060 worst person ever born immediately

01:38:09.080 yeah that's sad one would hope that

01:38:11.680 it wouldn't be the case but uh look at

01:38:14.360 how some on the left yesterday were

01:38:16.020 characterizing every person on

01:38:18.320 President Trump's list right trying to

01:38:20.680 say that all of them were just

01:38:21.860 basically evil people and uh that's

01:38:25.980 that's difficult to hear sometimes

01:38:27.860 especially when you've got a lot of

01:38:29.460 a very smart capable people on that

01:38:32.320 list who love this country deeply and

01:38:34.620 want nothing more than to read the law

01:38:36.920 and the Constitution based on what they

01:38:38.520 say and I think that's a difference

01:38:40.320 between constitutionalists and

01:38:43.360 progressives constitutionalists just

01:38:45.420 want to apply the law based on what it

01:38:47.600 says I think that um that's where

01:38:50.060 uh Anthony Kennedy uh sometimes got it

01:38:53.580 wrong even when he got it right he he

01:38:56.920 wasn't necessarily always looking to

01:38:58.780 the Constitution he was looking to try

01:39:00.760 to do the right thing and the right thing

01:39:04.000 is in his role to to make sure that it's

01:39:08.060 just constitutional um that's where I

01:39:11.200 think our justices go wrong is they they

01:39:13.440 they're trying to right wrongs or or you

01:39:16.760 know that's not your job in the Supreme

01:39:18.960 Court that's not your job is it no

01:39:21.620 that's exactly right as Justice Scalia

01:39:23.600 used to say show me a judge who always

01:39:26.640 agrees with his own decisions and I'll

01:39:29.020 show you someone who's not a very good

01:39:30.920 judge and I also agree with you on on

01:39:34.300 your assessment of Justice Kennedy I

01:39:36.140 respect him I'm grateful for the 30

01:39:38.080 years of service he's given to the court

01:39:40.280 and he got a lot of things right in many

01:39:42.240 instances he was a defender of

01:39:43.680 federalism of separation of powers of

01:39:45.400 religious freedom sometimes he got a

01:39:47.400 little flowery in his rhetoric and

01:39:49.620 sometimes in those same cases he would

01:39:52.020 deviate a little bit off into a field

01:39:54.360 that wasn't so much based in law and the

01:39:56.540 Constitution as on something else

01:39:58.700 correct Mike the American people pretty

01:40:00.300 much just dive into the Supreme Court

01:40:01.660 when there's a controversial decision or

01:40:03.620 someone's about to be named they don't

01:40:05.800 spend a lot of time thinking about it

01:40:06.920 unlike people who let's say go visit

01:40:08.660 when they're 10 years old but we're

01:40:11.460 here we all do that yeah and all those

01:40:13.340 people are weird they don't amount to

01:40:15.220 anything in their life two types of

01:40:16.540 people in the world people who do that

01:40:17.920 and admit to it and those who claim

01:40:19.360 that they don't

01:40:20.060 okay maybe a third type but we'll get

01:40:23.580 into that later all right the couple of

01:40:25.460 words that we get tossed around a lot in

01:40:27.140 these moments are originalists and

01:40:29.280 textualists can you kind of describe

01:40:31.120 those is there a difference between

01:40:32.480 them what do they actually mean the two

01:40:34.320 complement each other the term

01:40:35.580 originalist refers to someone who when

01:40:37.960 examining the Constitution like to look

01:40:40.180 at the words and understand how the

01:40:42.140 words were used in common parlance at

01:40:44.760 the time of the founding at the time

01:40:46.700 the Constitution was written a textualist

01:40:49.900 is someone who looks at text whether

01:40:53.200 in a statute or in the Constitution and

01:40:55.440 just tries to figure out what the words

01:40:56.860 mean they essentially mean the same

01:40:59.060 thing there are at least complementary

01:41:00.220 terms the term originalist refers

01:41:02.600 specifically to what happens when you're

01:41:04.680 looking at the Constitution that the

01:41:06.880 term textualist can refer to either

01:41:08.420 constitutional or statutory interpretation

01:41:10.460 is there a sane argument for something

01:41:12.240 other than those two things I mean it

01:41:13.820 seems to me that that's what you're

01:41:14.840 exactly what you're supposed to do in

01:41:15.960 the Supreme Court well look many on the

01:41:18.880 left would say what really matters is to

01:41:22.140 find the right outcome find the right

01:41:24.480 outcome and and then help the law catch

01:41:26.900 up back the law into what is the right

01:41:29.360 thing does this decision feel right

01:41:31.680 remember when Judge now Justice Gorsuch

01:41:34.440 went through the hearing process they

01:41:36.560 harassed him about some of his decisions

01:41:38.140 saying that that outcome just feels unfair

01:41:40.320 and yet in every instance he had done

01:41:42.580 what the law said and they condemned him

01:41:44.840 for that you were friends with Scalia and

01:41:48.600 and your friends with Thomas Scalia was good

01:41:52.940 friends with with Ginsburg do you have the

01:41:57.000 same kind of feel for her that he did for

01:42:01.560 for Justice Ginsburg yeah I didn't get to

01:42:05.740 know her as well the the justices each

01:42:08.900 justice has four law clerks when I clerked

01:42:10.780 for Justice Alito we have the opportunity

01:42:12.920 to take each justice to lunch instead

01:42:16.200 Justice Ginsburg has the clerks from other

01:42:19.040 chambers come into her office for tea and I

01:42:21.520 remember it vividly we had a long

01:42:23.560 interesting discussion but someone one of

01:42:26.140 my co-clerks while passing the teapot spilled

01:42:28.160 the tea right in front of me and it looked

01:42:29.840 like I did it and I've always felt kind of

01:42:32.180 self-conscious around her wow wow all right

01:42:34.280 talk to me about one name that I'm

01:42:37.080 concerned about and that is Thomas

01:42:38.780 Hardiman you know I've met him I don't

01:42:42.800 know him well he serves on the US Court

01:42:45.760 of Appeals for the Third Circuit I have

01:42:48.180 known people who have clerked for him who

01:42:50.580 have good things to say about him I wish

01:42:52.060 I could say I have read his opinions I

01:42:54.420 haven't okay anyone besides you that you

01:42:58.860 would be rooting and your brother that

01:43:00.920 you would be rooting for that we should

01:43:02.600 be looking for well look I didn't realize

01:43:08.000 you were going to put in the caveat of I

01:43:09.320 couldn't plug my brother but my brother

01:43:11.200 really is awesome he served on the Utah

01:43:12.640 Supreme Court for seven years now he's

01:43:15.520 he's brilliant as smart as the day is

01:43:17.920 long look the list put out by the

01:43:20.760 administration is a good list I think if

01:43:22.760 they stick to the list even if they

01:43:24.680 deviate from it but they go with someone

01:43:26.880 like that as long as the person is a

01:43:29.040 textualist originalist I'll be fine with

01:43:30.960 it this ultimately is up to the president

01:43:32.520 and I do think he'll make the right

01:43:34.160 choice here and are you concerned at all

01:43:36.460 that John Roberts could become a Kennedy

01:43:39.560 where he's unpredictable he's kind of

01:43:42.200 showing signs so is Kagan but kind of

01:43:44.760 showing signs that he's not always going

01:43:46.220 to go the way you think he will yeah

01:43:48.320 sure I mean look he out Kennedy Kennedy

01:43:50.320 in NFIB versus Sebelius rewriting

01:43:53.240 Obamacare not once but twice in order to

01:43:56.360 save it from an otherwise inevitable

01:43:58.040 finding of unconstitutionality so that

01:44:00.440 does worry me I hope that that will

01:44:02.300 prove to be an aberration a mere blip

01:44:04.320 but it concerns me greatly that he did

01:44:06.600 it in that case finally how do you feel

01:44:08.980 about being the senior senator from Utah

01:44:11.300 and possibly sitting next to Mitt Romney

01:44:14.040 well you know Mitt told me recently that

01:44:17.680 he looks forward to having any title that

01:44:20.840 comes with the word junior attached to it

01:44:23.520 all right Mike good talking to you thank

01:44:28.640 you so much hey great thanks thanks so

01:44:30.640 much good to talk to you all right and

01:44:31.740 make sure you tell the president Glenn Beck

01:44:33.500 is absolutely one thing it will piss him

01:44:36.180 off more Mr. President pointing me

01:44:38.840 Supreme Court he'll hate it crazy I'm on

01:44:42.700 it all right thanks a lot you bet Mike

01:44:46.000 Lee the senior senator from the great

01:44:50.120 state of Utah not as great as soon to

01:44:52.720 be Texas but soon to be he's not

01:44:55.100 currently the senior yeah well he will

01:44:57.300 be soon I mean that's just some breaking

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01:47:35.560 stew you and i both picked a story today that

01:47:38.940 we have to get to uh it is a it is a personal check

01:47:43.620 a personal check not like it's not it's made up in hand

01:47:48.220 personal check for and written out

01:47:52.480 974 million 790 thousand 317 dollars and 77 cents

01:48:02.940 it's the most incredible check and it's real

01:48:07.000 yeah it is um it was a guy uh actually

01:48:09.880 trump named him from the stage i guess he's a trump supporter

01:48:13.300 uh big money guy and he had ham harold ham

01:48:16.920 uh harold apparently went through a divorce

01:48:19.780 kind of a nasty one looks like

01:48:22.900 kind of an expensive one it's an expensive one for sure

01:48:26.100 went through an expensive uh divorce and needed to uh pay a certain sum of money

01:48:30.400 it happened to be almost a billion dollars

01:48:32.720 there's something charming about the way to like you know how when you write a

01:48:35.980 checkout you have to spell the words out of the next line

01:48:38.480 and there's so many words he had to it actually takes two complete lines

01:48:42.620 and is still still all the way to the edges and small but do you notice

01:48:47.280 something else about this um that check was signed by him yeah but

01:48:54.480 that check was written by a woman it's certainly the the individual words

01:48:59.160 were written by a woman yeah uh because you can tell the handwriting is

01:49:03.060 is is completely different uh-huh it looks like he wrote the uh the pay to the

01:49:08.880 order of and signed it and then left the date

01:49:12.860 the uh amount yeah and everything else to be just filled in

01:49:17.980 now having that kind of money you had to trust the person

01:49:22.020 uh don't you think yeah really had to trust the person hey you know what

01:49:26.260 here's my checkbook i've i've just made this out and i just

01:49:30.080 i just signed it you just fill in all the stuff

01:49:32.520 oh okay 974 million dollars a check a personal check out of like like what

01:49:42.420 looks like your check from you know from the bank like your regular checkbook

01:49:46.100 i would be so tempted you know if you wouldn't it be fun you receive this

01:49:50.840 and maybe you're so hoity-toity that you don't you know you're like oh

01:49:54.900 another billion dollars but i mean no there's no one in the world that's like

01:49:58.740 that though even the richest i mean even jeff bezos doesn't think oh it's just a

01:50:02.520 billion dollars a billion dollars is a lot of money to everybody except the u.s

01:50:06.320 government yes i would agree with that i mean

01:50:09.580 wouldn't you be i mean imagine just going into like a local bank

01:50:12.820 you know just like hey can you cash this for me

01:50:15.880 i gotta say that they probably couldn't no i don't think well nobody could

01:50:20.280 actually uh it would take to get it in cash

01:50:23.560 it would take you forever i don't even know if you could and i believe

01:50:28.160 you would be on the dhs watch list oh there's no doubt on that i'm just saying

01:50:33.240 i'm just cashing my alimony check that's all i'm doing

01:50:37.400 i don't even have to ask you if i'd ever see you again if you got that much money

01:50:42.180 but because i know the answer but this much money but my question

01:50:45.540 you could give me a you know you could give me

01:50:49.980 take the first three numbers off and i'm still gone

01:50:53.420 yeah even the 77 cents is tempting

01:50:55.940 317.77 i'm thinking about it i'm thinking about it

01:51:02.260 glenn back mercury

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