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00:02:09.620 another with the summer travel season almost here i thought it was the perfect time to catch up on

00:02:14.280 the glenbeck podcast episodes that you might have missed they come out every saturday in recent

00:02:19.180 months i've had dozens of wide-ranging long-form conversations with people on the front lines of

00:02:25.700 culture politics education and technology i'm going to share portions of some of these vital

00:02:31.580 conversations today but you can find much more and the full conversations at glenbeck.com or wherever

00:02:37.660 you download your podcasts first i want to jump into my conversation with financial expert and host

00:02:43.760 of the blaze tv's economic war room kevin freeman we are now entering a time where there is an

00:02:51.500 economic war on speech on religion on guns and when i brought this up three years ago and said

00:03:01.240 this is how they're going to fight guns they're going to fight it economically they're going to go

00:03:06.200 through the banks right don't worry about the constitution they'll go through the banks

00:03:10.400 they're doing that now with guns and speech and everything they'll go through amendments three

00:03:17.420 four five six but they're going after the bill of rights they are they are for control and so to

00:03:22.940 your point on guns there was something called operation choke point and recently american banker

00:03:29.540 magazine representing the american banker association admitted yes operation choke point was real the fdic

00:03:36.160 really was encouraging banks to close accounts of gun sellers it was illegal and we have 900 pages of

00:03:44.880 testimony that proved that it was illegal so this when when did that happen when the american bankers

00:03:50.200 association say or when did that when when was choke point choke point was under the obama administration

00:03:55.100 and they literally the through the fdic they were encouraging because all right so you're a bank

00:04:01.240 and you work with the fdic you just want to get through your review as quickly as possible and the

00:04:06.140 fdic says by the way we think that those companies that sell guns they're a little shady it's gonna make

00:04:13.340 it a little harder for us to do the review if you're doing business with them if you want to just stop

00:04:18.120 doing business and close the accounts you can do that and so banks did if you don't have a gun seller

00:04:26.860 if you don't have the ability to buy a gun from a reputable licensed dealer following the second

00:04:32.600 amendment rights how do you how do you get a weapon legally well you get it through a private

00:04:37.340 transaction which they're trying to ban you get it through a gun show which they're trying to ban

00:04:42.100 so this was a methodology and it was purposed and it was said in the american banker article it said

00:04:48.260 they were doing it based on their partisan beliefs or based on their predetermined their what they

00:04:54.560 thought was right and wrong their moral beliefs so that's operation choke point now about a year ago

00:05:01.240 andrew ross sorkin who is new york times columnist he is also the co-host of squawk box on cnbc

00:05:09.280 every morning i see him and i see joe kernan and joe kernan represents the conservative side and

00:05:14.260 andrew ross sorkin represents the pleasant progressive side and he's very pleasant about and

00:05:20.660 always makes good arguments even though i disagree almost he wrote an article in new york times said

00:05:26.340 government will not be able to solve the gun problem because we have this pesky second amendment

00:05:31.040 but you banks can do it paypal you can do it all of the finance companies have more power than

00:05:37.880 government and he's openly encouraged them to start canceling the paypal accounts the bank accounts and

00:05:43.580 so forth and it's not just with guns they're now doing it to people in my business they are silencing

00:05:52.480 us one by one and people are not seeing it you had robert spencer on podcast here didn't you yeah he

00:06:02.220 was targeted i know he was he was targeted it's not you know it's alec jones and robert spencer and

00:06:07.520 they're going systematically across anyone who's speaking something contrary to what we find or deem

00:06:12.900 acceptable and you wonder why are these people why aren't they on the air why aren't you know

00:06:17.880 why are they being silenced well they aren't able to earn a living they can't even get a bank account

00:06:23.740 well we just saw um a few weeks ago that the paperwork has now come out and so now we actually

00:06:34.440 know the numbers but when we were saying facebook is crushing uh conservatives the algorithm was changed

00:06:42.660 and it changed the traffic by 70 to conservative websites i mean we're we're you know when the

00:06:50.680 germans rounded up the jews they put them in ghettos and live your jewish life you can do whatever you

00:06:58.080 want we're building a wall around you well nobody saw them nobody heard them they no matter how loud

00:07:05.420 they shouted it just went into a brick wall around there and then they could liquidate them

00:07:09.860 um aren't we doing that virtually we are and and we cover a lot of this in the economic war room

00:07:17.900 so by controlling and silencing people or changing the algorithms or the search results output i think

00:07:27.360 it's dr robert epstein he was published in usa today he said i'm a hillary clinton supporter

00:07:31.780 um i'm still supporter today but here's the fact the page results produced by google had the potential

00:07:39.880 to swing the election probably move independence by 10 points which means that had they not done that

00:07:46.640 i wonder what president trump might have won by i think that there are a lot of people who didn't vote

00:07:53.160 for president trump but they voted against hillary clinton and when you do surveys of christians

00:07:58.800 throughout the south and you're asking why did you vote for this guy because he's got this bad

00:08:03.060 history here and he's with this this porn star and all this why did you vote for they always say

00:08:08.100 because she hates us and everybody knew who the she hates us was but they were silencing free speech

00:08:15.040 manipulating elections and they're doing it with search results and that is a silencing of free speech

00:08:21.320 and in my mind it's election fraud it's nudge it's nudge it's what cast sunstein talked about

00:08:29.480 all you have to do is just nudge people just just alter the search results just a little bit here and

00:08:38.600 a little bit there and all of a sudden you're on a different path and that's what we're that's when

00:08:44.960 you talked about before don't we kind of commonly agree and you said don't we kind i think we commonly

00:08:51.300 do but they've been nudged more than maybe we've been nudged and so there are people that may not be

00:08:57.440 that far from us but they've been nudged and that dividing wall has been built between us

00:09:01.320 when we look at um the issue with guns we see what's happening here and people tend to forget

00:09:09.560 venezuelans had guns up until 2012 they took the guns from the citizens in 2012

00:09:16.140 um that's when you can get away with literally murder um as we record this uh maduro is still in

00:09:26.920 um he had just taken uh jorge uh jorge uh ramos uh as a reporter and held him captive

00:09:38.420 um reports are showing that things are getting much much worse there russia is now saying we're

00:09:44.920 we're going to go to war in venezuela america is going to go to war in venezuela um uh nobody is

00:09:53.240 reporting the fact that chinese have a warship off the coast of venezuela right next to ours

00:09:59.500 what's happening in venezuela do you think well we've sent in aid right and and the western nations

00:10:06.960 senate aid and they shot people trying to get it we're seeing the the natural result of a true

00:10:15.100 socialist revolution it it looks good for a while and everybody celebrated and you had michael moore

00:10:21.340 and everybody come out and say look at how good this is and then you run out of other people's money

00:10:26.700 they nationalize stuff they ran out i mean it's the natural outcome of a socialist revolution it has

00:10:33.160 to always go to dictatorship and it ends with the haves and the have-nots the worst of which is

00:10:38.680 where you have hugo chavez's daughter sporting around the world with three or four billion dollars

00:10:44.940 how does the communist dictator's daughter inherit three to four billion dollars how does a bus driver

00:10:51.520 the bus driver that's what people loved about maduro he was one of the people he was a bus driver he

00:10:56.740 wasn't rich now look at him now look at him they're flying bricks of gold that he claims are his

00:11:03.480 out of the out of the country um

00:11:07.680 what happens well let's start here president wanted to build a wall says it's a national emergency

00:11:19.040 um it's no more of a national emergency today than it was 10 years ago however i think on the horizon

00:11:28.520 i don't know are you following what's happening in mexico with the with the oil uh pipelines and how

00:11:34.820 they shut it down and now gas lines are everywhere they shut down the pipeline said we're gonna start

00:11:40.780 trucking everything trucking isn't it's not effective um at least the way you know going

00:11:48.840 back to that that's why they built that pipeline that's a terribly inefficient way to move horrible

00:11:53.220 yeah it's a horrible and there's a shortage of truck drivers in the west anyway so so you've got all

00:11:57.820 these you've got all these problems down in in mexico just from that one thing you have a president

00:12:04.240 who will not uh recognize any but anyone but maduro he's one of the few um of western countries that won't

00:12:15.740 recognize him outside of cuba if if he is instituting the policies that you know chavez or maduro uh were

00:12:27.920 it's already a thugocracy is it that hard for people to think maybe we would have a huge

00:12:37.000 colombian style crisis on our hands on our border you know this is as they're on the precipice of

00:12:44.000 potential economic greatness as a nation because the mexican people are phenomenal smart hard-working

00:12:51.260 people and china is collapsing as the low-cost producer we have an agreement with

00:12:57.660 mexico they could be the next producer manufacturer or whatever for the united states the wages and so

00:13:04.620 forth they're on the precipice of this and yet they have from the thugocracy from the drug cartel control

00:13:11.660 uh from the fact that we don't have a wall and we have porous and open borders i mean if we had a wall

00:13:18.520 mexico would benefit because the drug cartels wouldn't get the massive amounts of money they're on the

00:13:24.500 precipice of something really great if they could get their act together that's the i mean that's

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00:14:53.820 i'm talking with kevin freeman host of blaze tv's economic war room in this part we discuss

00:15:16.340 publishers versus platforms and how to solve the facebook problem

00:15:21.520 let's take a break from the doom and gloom and go to the really good stuff what explain to people i

00:15:26.900 don't think people understand when i say 2030 you will not recognize life as we know it it's going to

00:15:35.660 be completely different um just from technology and what it's going to do for disease and health care

00:15:43.960 all the good things that are coming tell me what you see as good things that are possible now if we

00:15:51.000 would just get our crap together well science is expanding i i i'm a board member of a biotechnology

00:15:58.000 company that's working on liver disease and we've completed a phase two trial over the next 10 years

00:16:05.520 our health care can improve dramatically from things that we're learning and continuing to advance in

00:16:11.180 science uh if we can as a nation get our act together on the free speech issue which i think is

00:16:17.220 maybe the most important one and by the way there is a there is a louis gohmert came in the economic

00:16:22.540 war room and gave it a real good suggestion or he's got a bill that would i think solve the facebook

00:16:28.240 problem and facebook control problem what is it basically we gave facebook and all social media

00:16:35.280 pass and said by congressional mandate you all are not going to be subject to lawsuits

00:16:42.340 because you're just an interplay of you're like a telephone company and people pick up the phone

00:16:48.480 and they call and and we can't hold you accountable for what people say on your phone they violated that

00:16:54.660 so if you want to be the phone company and not be subject to suit from people that are on here

00:17:01.580 then fine but you can't throttle you can't use the algorithms you can't do it's the platform versus

00:17:08.740 publisher i know this because of the blaze i'm a publisher meaning i have a say who's on and off the

00:17:17.720 platform i have a say on we're going to publish this we're not going to publish this so i'm held

00:17:23.360 responsible somebody somebody sues us because someone is making the decision but google youtube facebook

00:17:30.980 all of them said no no we're a platform we're not going to have a say it's run by the people

00:17:36.820 and now they're having a say editorial correct so now they're getting the protection from the

00:17:43.900 government in places that no one should have protection from the government unless you are

00:17:49.880 completely switzerland you are neutral on what is being published oh well it's being being used over

00:17:57.600 here for bad things oh well i'm a platform so he's introducing a bill to stop this he is he's if you

00:18:06.460 if you are a publisher and not a platform if you're doing the editorial and the throttling then you have

00:18:13.880 no government protections from suit i think it's a brilliant answer we can get that adopted then free

00:18:20.040 speech happens that changes election trajectory it changes so many things and that which we have in

00:18:25.340 common can be brought back together if we don't adopt something like that we'll just continue the

00:18:30.500 balkanization and i keep looking at the things that we agree on there's so much there's so much that we

00:18:36.780 agree on and yet we're not allowed to agree on it for instance the border i don't want an entire wall

00:18:43.580 across the whole border i want it where it makes sense and i want you know sensors or surveillance of

00:18:50.700 some sort where that makes sense you don't just put a wall up across the whole border but it's got to

00:18:56.480 make sense and uh and the left just will not give in they're just telling us this is uh hyperbole this is

00:19:08.540 ridiculous just looking at the opioid deaths our heroin and low-grade opioid come across the border

00:19:18.020 the high-grade opioids come from china yeah china and as i was thinking about that the other day i

00:19:25.800 realized wait a minute isn't that what the opium wars were about with england and china didn't the

00:19:35.200 english know that if they went to india and bought up a bunch of opium and sold it across their border

00:19:42.840 it would weaken them from the inside china knew what was happening and said to england stop doing

00:19:49.960 this to us but that's what they were doing yeah isn't that what china's doing to us right now

00:19:54.520 yeah the whole thing but keep in mind while they're doing it we're also passing marijuana laws you can use

00:20:03.640 whatever you want so it this is a serious problem it's an addiction problem that our nation has

00:20:09.260 and it is a i want to tune out and not tune in we're trying to fill that emptiness or whatever with

00:20:17.740 whether it's fentanyl or opioids or marijuana or whatever it's it's a problem

00:20:23.980 so we on the border thing though we just had a guest in his name phil midkiff he's got blue servo

00:20:31.480 and we opened the show on economic war room we opened with the idea that 10 years ago the democrats we

00:20:38.320 paul krugman and barack obama we had quotes you know you've seen the youtubes on them where

00:20:43.140 where they were stronger on the border than they are today it's all political again i think that

00:20:48.740 problem is solved if you if you allow a free and fair exchange of speech i think people will see the

00:20:54.960 logic and see and understand it so i think gohmert's solution has an immigration implication

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00:22:50.820 the glenn beck podcast is to have in-depth conversations with people that i don't necessarily

00:22:55.600 agree with my guest this half hour greg lukianoff is probably somebody that maybe i disagree here and

00:23:02.860 there on things but we have strong common ground and an alarm about the massive attack on free speech

00:23:09.880 that is plaguing the nation lukianoff is the president of the foundation for individual rights

00:23:15.620 in education and last year he co-wrote a new york times best-selling book with jonathan hate

00:23:21.300 height called the coddling of the american mind how good intentions and bad ideas are setting up a

00:23:29.040 generation for failure for more of my conversation with greg you can listen to the full podcast at

00:23:35.380 glenn beck.com to get every episode of the glenn beck podcast just subscribe on itunes google play

00:23:41.660 or wherever you download your podcast for now let's get to the boogeyman of hate speech google and the

00:23:49.620 right to be forgotten my conversation with greg lukianoff you know i i obviously was not not for

00:23:57.680 barack obama and i get into people on the right are like how could you possibly say this barack obama

00:24:04.100 made me a better man he absolutely made me a better man i am glad in some ways that barack obama

00:24:11.560 was there because he threw me up against the wall and challenged what i thought i knew i had to

00:24:23.160 i learned about anti-colonialism i learned about the progressive era i learned uh about the constitution

00:24:31.640 deeply um i've learned so much same with donald trump you know we can either look at this as a

00:24:39.800 bad experience or a good experience that you learn from you know we learn from it learn from it but are

00:24:47.000 we yeah i mean i have a very expansive uh you know view of freedom of speech where it comes down very

00:24:53.400 simply to it's important to know what people really think period um and uh and i say this and

00:25:00.600 people you know they're they're kind of like but because a lot of the way people try to challenge

00:25:04.920 freedom of speech is by saying well what if they have terrible ideas it's like do you think you're

00:25:08.700 safer for not knowing those terrible ideas do you think do you think that and also i'd want to live

00:25:13.740 if my kids were we're living next door to somebody who's a real racist i don't want him saying all the

00:25:19.000 politically correct things i want him i want my son going over there and coming dad and dad you know

00:25:24.180 he was just saying good great we know who he is don't go there anymore you know what i mean i i talk

00:25:31.760 about censorship as being a little a little blue but uh like taking xanax for syphilis where essentially

00:25:38.180 you're just taking something that makes you feel better but you're just getting sicker by the minute

00:25:41.200 um and it it takes you know it takes a little bit of like the looking at things a little bit more

00:25:46.280 sometimes like an anthropologist oh yeah so i went on a smirk honish's show um and i was and

00:25:51.460 i was there to talk about why uh to talk about the disinvitation of steve bannon from the new yorker

00:25:56.960 festival um and uh you know a lot of celebrities got up in arms that they were going to do an interview

00:26:02.700 with with steve bannon at the new yorker festival of ideas and i was there to festival of what of ideas

00:26:09.400 okay yeah ideas and i and i was there you know of course with my first amendment technical hat on i'm

00:26:14.360 like well of course a new yorker can invite whomever it wants but with my marketplace of ideas sort of

00:26:19.860 like knowing what people really think hat on i was like okay and i and then the responses i got on

00:26:25.080 twitter were the funniest people were like so you're saying you would have wanted to hear an interview

00:26:28.520 with someone from isis and i'm like i would love to hear it it would be one of the most interesting

00:26:33.780 interviews you can imagine i you know you stare into the face of evil that's great and then the other

00:26:38.080 stream that people were going for was but now he's irrelevant and i'm like he was this arguably the

00:26:43.980 second most powerful person in the white house like two weeks you're kidding yourself and now and

00:26:49.880 now he's talking to all these groups in europe so it it is this you know we we talk about this um

00:26:54.900 uh me and pamela paretsky she's uh she was our chief researcher for the book and john we talk about

00:27:00.860 moral pollution a lot basically just the idea that once you get super tribal um it becomes this much

00:27:07.440 more kind of superstitious idea that if i'm in the presence of if i shake the hands of if i'm anywhere near

00:27:12.620 you know the bad uh the the bad man it's somehow like it's going to rub off on you like some kind

00:27:18.740 of evil pox i think one of the most vile voices out there is louis farrakhan i'm glad i can hear

00:27:26.320 exactly what louis farrakhan is saying you know i don't want him silenced you know you could invite

00:27:31.060 me here by mitzvah and you'd be like oh my god yeah i thought you were a great guy i had no idea right

00:27:36.100 um are you how concerned let me just take a quick offshoot here um how concerned are you about

00:27:43.860 the growth of of google with its algorithms now being taught uh what to recognize hate speech yeah

00:27:55.600 how i mean what hate speech is at first i don't believe in hate speech right but what hate speech

00:28:01.160 is to one person is not hate speech to the other person right what are you concerned about the loss

00:28:07.940 i mean the colossal overnight loss of it would call it a digital ghettoization yeah um hate speech has

00:28:16.460 always been kind of the boogeyman that you have to deal with when you're dealing with free speech on

00:28:19.780 campus and the first thing you have to explain is there's a whole generation of students who largely

00:28:25.180 believe that hate speech is protected uh sorry it's unprotected speech um they think it's a special

00:28:30.180 category of unprotected speech and that's just not true um it's too vague it's too broad it wouldn't

00:28:35.460 fit any of the first amendment analyses but then you have uh or institutions like google you know who

00:28:41.460 i've always had a great deal of respect for but then you look at cases like what happened to james

00:28:45.400 demore you know who wrote something that was uh you know i think height wrote about it saying it was

00:28:51.300 you know it wasn't per wasn't perfectly right on everything but it was it was also a not dismissive it

00:28:56.040 was a dispassionate you know argument of what what the stats say about gender differences including

00:29:00.600 preference for some for for some reason like the taboo around saying that men and women might actually

00:29:05.680 be drawn to different fields it's it's like is that really the end of the world but but but anyway

00:29:11.060 but yeah the idea of um have a a handful of institutions having so much power over what we

00:29:17.620 can read and what we um uh scares me uh and if they start actually policing hate speech i get worried

00:29:25.840 that the work that i do where we're you know uh and and i always have to be clear 99 out of 100 cases

00:29:32.420 that we're dealing with are more like the guy getting in trouble for reading a book or for um you

00:29:37.780 know cracking a joke that um that anybody off campus would be like i don't even understand what was

00:29:43.100 what was offensive uh about that is going to get in trouble meanwhile though uh i do have some

00:29:48.680 sympathy for google and for facebook because they're being pushed towards this um by some

00:29:53.760 really idiotic laws coming out of the european union you know about this whole right to be forgotten

00:29:59.040 thing right uh right right to be forgotten forgotten yeah is this like transgender naming no no no okay

00:30:06.480 this is much much worse than that that it forgot the european uh uh one of the european

00:30:12.780 courts um uh issued a decision talking about you people individuals have a right to be forgotten

00:30:18.820 and uh the there was a law passed that tried to um uh to make this law a controlling law for the

00:30:26.160 entire eu that put it on uh google uh if someone came to you and said that article about me is old

00:30:32.900 and irrelevant um so you have to remove it or face a huge fine um yeah face a huge fine unless google

00:30:40.760 for some reason decides to actually put up a fight to keep it so it's like it's all downside for google

00:30:45.700 um subsequent decisions say that it can't just be for google europe it has to be for google for the

00:30:52.100 entire world and it comes from this kind of ridiculous idea that you know like if you know so

00:30:57.100 what you know i so what if i i murdered someone 20 years ago i have a right to be forgotten that to

00:31:03.120 be forgotten and it's just so it's among numerous dunderheaded laws that i see coming out uh coming

00:31:09.880 out of europe that uh that are actually having spillover effects to the whole rest of the world

00:31:14.760 so in some ways you know i am worried about the internal politics of google but i'm also worried

00:31:19.120 about how um different you know governments are sort of taking advantage of every uh opportunity to

00:31:24.680 limit them that's the thing i love about our constitution yeah it doesn't you don't have a right to be

00:31:31.060 forgotten yep you know 18th amendment is is it the 18th was prohibition no yeah 18 is still there yep

00:31:39.060 but 21st repeals it yep but that scar is still there so you learn yeah you know perhaps you read it all

00:31:46.360 and you go hey we did that once before yeah um let me take let's let's go through the three bad ideas

00:31:53.160 oh sure sure yeah okay yeah so uh basically there was a certain point where we were studying i'm sorry

00:31:59.260 i'm so riddled with add oh i just keep looking at your shirt and something came to me that i've

00:32:04.120 never thought before and i feel like this the dumbest man on the planet unless you didn't mean

00:32:08.340 this what you were talking and i thought well the argument that i keep hearing on free speech is

00:32:14.200 well you can still yell fire you can't yell fire and is that what that did that play a role in that at

00:32:20.900 all i wasn't there for the original deciding of the name but but uh both of the founders bring it up

00:32:25.240 all the time okay um they i think they i think it might have occurred 15 seconds after they right

00:32:31.220 because one of the one of the founders is harvey silverglate who's a big first amendment attorney

00:32:35.140 and every first amendment attorney in the in the whole country every time you you say

00:32:39.600 you can't shout fire in a crowded theater we're like oh god that again like it's answer it so

00:32:44.920 everybody knows how to answer that question the right way oh the problem is it takes like an hour

00:32:48.920 and a half to explain all the reasons why that's wrong uh go to go go to popat go go go to popat's

00:32:55.840 website um he has videos on why this is so wrong there's like 15 different reasons why and also

00:33:00.840 people misquote it it's falsely shouting fire it's before oliver wendell holmes became good on freedom

00:33:05.900 of speech um rosencranston gildenstern are dead shouted fire in a crowded theater every single night

00:33:11.260 out of tens of thousands of it it has no legal meaning other than generally for people to show that they

00:33:16.160 don't actually know the law very well that's great that's great so yeah but it's it's amazing

00:33:20.680 like we we joke that every time uh every time someone invokes that a first amendment uh lawyer

00:33:25.620 dies somewhere every time a bell rings an angel get its wings exactly

00:33:31.320 you know the great thing is you know when you're

00:33:46.040 talk about people's identity being stolen it's never gonna happen to you

00:33:49.940 uh it kind of happened to me just the other day no i got a 448 bill from a smoker's lounge

00:33:56.140 sorry about that i don't smoke i do i'm also was not in miami well i was at a lounge

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00:34:57.920 part of my podcast conversation with greg lukianoff he is the co-author of the new york best-selling

00:35:03.700 uh book called the coddling of the american mind in this segment lukianoff walks us through

00:35:09.660 three of the worst possible pieces of advice that you could give to younger generations okay so three

00:35:16.900 bad ideas three bad ideas so part of the idea of the book um was it was to kind of recreate sort of

00:35:22.420 what we did in the original article um and basically saying it's as if we are giving a generation of

00:35:28.900 people of of kids of younger people the worst possible advice you could ever imagine so we talk

00:35:34.740 about we create this situation of going up to this you know supposedly wise man um and he tells us

00:35:40.900 three uh three pieces of what he thinks are wisdom um what doesn't kill you makes you weaker

00:35:45.900 always trust your feelings and life is a battle between good people and evil people and we we do this

00:35:53.260 as kind of a joke in the beginning of it and we have it's me and john going that's like those are

00:35:57.760 like the worst ideas in our entire life and so the first one what does it kill you makes you weaker

00:36:02.820 is obviously a play on nietzsche what doesn't kill you makes you stronger and of course we we recognize

00:36:07.360 it's like yes there are things that are short of killing you that can still you know leave you in

00:36:11.200 worse shape but but it stands for a great truth um which is you know both so we tried to make all the

00:36:17.820 great untruths um things that were both uh uh bad in terms of uh modern psychology what modern

00:36:24.160 psychology would tell you and bad in terms of uh resilient ancient wisdom which is surprisingly

00:36:28.720 coherent on a number of issues one of them is that people need challenge um you're going to see that

00:36:33.240 in practically every culture that uh it would be absurd to say people don't need challenge

00:36:37.820 um but uh what we see on campuses that we dub safetyism is and also for parents these days you

00:36:46.300 know k through 12 um this idea that kind of like there's no limit to how safe you can be and they

00:36:53.420 also expand that into that weird kind of definition of safety that means like emotionally unperturbed

00:36:58.600 right so it it the concept creeps in two different directions that there's no amount of physical safety

00:37:04.020 that's that's too much or it comes with no bad side and by the way let's add an emotional safety too

00:37:09.060 and of course you know what we talk about in the book is nassim taleb's idea of anti-fragility

00:37:14.480 human beings aren't uh we're not fragile and we're not merely resilient we're actually

00:37:21.780 creatures that need stressors we need to be challenged or we atrophy and die or we grow

00:37:27.000 healthy and strong uh you know probably best represented by you know astronauts if you send

00:37:31.820 them up to send them up into no gravity their joints start decaying really quickly um but on the

00:37:38.500 other hand you know if you if you run every day and you lift a little bit of weight it's amazing how

00:37:42.260 much how much you can improve i think it's i think it's interesting they're doing studies now on

00:37:46.960 what what the what they think the effects will be on living on mars yeah and they believe that after

00:37:52.800 i think it's 20 years of living on mars that you actually won't be able to mate with an earthling

00:38:00.280 because you will no longer be technically what we call human wow so you're so you actually you're

00:38:08.160 changing uh-huh and and i think it's interesting that part of being human uh is having the pull and

00:38:17.840 the drag on you absolutely and so what we see is with this obsession of safety is that there wasn't

00:38:24.280 really meaningful pushback uh saying that listen we can take this too far it can actually be harmful

00:38:28.620 um but of course it can be harmful uh it's just the same way we tell people you know um you don't

00:38:34.380 overcome phobias by uh you know bubble wrapping the world from your phobia right um so that's great

00:38:39.560 truth number one the second one i actually like because it sounds so darn romantic um which is uh

00:38:45.520 follow your feelings luke your feelings are always right um and every you know uh a lot of not every

00:38:51.220 um but you know movies and sci-fi and a lot of stuff that i love does a lot of times have a have this

00:38:57.200 idea of your feelings are always right and in one sense it is correct to say that your feelings are

00:39:03.020 always telling you something just it's not always what you think it is um susan david uh

00:39:07.880 has this great quote where she it used to take me paragraphs to say that you know you run into that

00:39:13.060 where you feel like you took a book to explain something and someone gets it down to like a pithy

00:39:17.380 phrase she says feelings are information not directions um why you're angry why you're jealous

00:39:24.860 why you're uh why you're guilty without interrogating those things you could be way off base on on where

00:39:31.160 they're actually coming from and what they're trying to tell you you're listening to glenn beck

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00:41:07.800 today i'm sharing some vital conversations from the glenn beck podcast if you haven't heard the

00:41:23.620 podcast they are 90 minute interviews uninterrupted and they're really very different this half hour i'm

00:41:31.900 going to play just a little bit of a talk i had with peter swizer now he is the best-selling author

00:41:36.880 of secret empires and we discuss his new documentary about power and the peril of google

00:41:43.800 and facebook the creepy line you can hear more of the podcast at glennbeck.com and to get every

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00:41:55.900 it is well worth your time once a week you'll get a new podcast for now here's a piece of my

00:42:01.480 conversation with peter swizer i did a show recently on the difference between disinformation

00:42:08.220 and misinformation fascinating topic right yeah can you explain the difference between the two i mean

00:42:15.820 one is one the disinformation is when it is is planted um into what you think is a credible source

00:42:25.980 right okay if it comes from pravda you're like oh it's pravda okay but if it comes from the new york times

00:42:32.700 right then it's disinformation

00:42:35.180 in a way google is is engaged and facebook knowingly or not in a disinformation campaign

00:42:48.720 yes i think i think that you could certainly classify that and and and i think the issue becomes

00:42:55.020 why are they doing this and how are they doing this you asked earlier about zuckerberg and and your

00:43:00.860 interaction with him i don't know that mark zuckerberg i'm not suggesting that mark zuckerberg

00:43:05.600 is sitting around saying how can we deal with conservatives on facebook so either but the problem is

00:43:11.100 there are lots of people employed by facebook who maybe they're in their mid-20s uh maybe they were woke

00:43:18.980 uh you know on on campus and they are now involved in the news feed i mean we had a a you know a facebook

00:43:25.420 um employee who was involved with their trending section that came out a couple years ago who said oh

00:43:30.360 yeah we sunk conservative stories and we boosted liberal stories um so i don't think it's it's it's a

00:43:37.000 question of the executives of these companies you know in kind of a james bond villain moment saying

00:43:43.560 here's how we're going to rule the universe i think it's a question of they've created these powerful

00:43:48.300 companies and they've created a culture within these companies that for all the talk of tolerance

00:43:54.520 is actually very intolerant and it reflects in the product that they are producing so did you did you

00:44:02.180 touch on it all i have a a document from a meeting with media matters on inauguration day it was a

00:44:12.520 meeting that happened with far left donors with media matters on the election day in florida not on

00:44:19.160 election day on on inauguration day and they said here's where we went wrong and here's what we're

00:44:26.860 going to do and it talks in that in that document about how they are going to go to facebook and google

00:44:37.500 and they are going to advise right okay and in that document it says we have already been given access

00:44:47.600 to all of the raw data in real time yeah peter i don't think they'd give that to me or any

00:44:59.840 organization that i know of no they would not they would not and this and this is the problem i mean

00:45:05.420 the problem is the way that they are trying to deal with this is they're like you know we're being

00:45:10.460 criticized by conservatives so we'll go meet with conservatives i'm not saying that's a bad thing

00:45:14.880 by the way i think that's a good thing but that's not really the issue the issue is not you know

00:45:20.620 saying nice words the fundamental issue comes down to you know what is this company doing and and the

00:45:27.320 whole debate now that's arisen about fake news i think is a huge problem because it's allowing

00:45:33.720 essentially these liberal groups like the southern poverty law center and media matters to essentially

00:45:39.640 say to facebook and google no no we want you to engage in more censorship right

00:45:44.860 want you to classify and the uh and the facebook could respond well but we have others we have i

00:45:51.300 don't remember if it's heritage foundation but we have we have others right that are doing it on the

00:45:55.540 right i don't want that's either side that's exactly i don't want either side shut up yeah it's it's the

00:46:01.360 the problem that develops is that nasty word cronyism and cronyism is a problem where you give

00:46:08.980 concentrated power or you give special access or favors to certain people uh and invariably

00:46:14.720 it's going to be misused and and this is really the the question i guess glenn is

00:46:18.820 does facebook and does google so much distrust the american people that they believe the american

00:46:27.000 people are incapable of looking at a news story and saying that's totally yes i'm not buying that

00:46:33.920 um and and and they don't they don't have confidence in the american people to do that

00:46:38.680 they feel like they have to somehow be the arbitrators and they don't so here's let's be

00:46:47.100 clear um just new study came out goldfish goldfish have an attention span of nine seconds

00:46:55.620 americans have seven seconds okay so let's be very clear we're not doing our job right okay right um and

00:47:07.800 that has changed dramatically because of facebook and all of the interaction that we do however

00:47:13.940 because i was just asked this question um well don't they have a responsibility shouldn't they be

00:47:21.160 no they have a responsibility to be transparent and be a platform correct platform correct i don't

00:47:28.840 believe that you should censor anyone on a platform right it's the battlefield of ideas

00:47:35.520 to say that now what people will say is well that's crazy because there's a lot of crazy people

00:47:43.040 yeah there are there are yeah thomas jefferson said believe the people trust the people right okay

00:47:50.520 the key to that sentence was comma they will usually get it wrong but eventually they'll get it right

00:48:02.300 right right exactly so we're going through this period right now the worst thing we can do is put

00:48:08.160 a babysitter on top of us forever yes we have to learn fire is hot yes no you're exactly right and

00:48:17.700 this is is further evidence that i think they don't really understand the dynamics at work in

00:48:24.580 the country today the dynamic at work in the country today is a rejection of sort of this elite

00:48:31.100 view of how society should be organized it's one of the reasons why you have in financial markets

00:48:37.780 conservatives people on the left don't trust the large banks they don't trust wall street it's a

00:48:43.300 rejection of that it's the same reason conservatives liberals independents have a distrust of washington

00:48:50.300 dc it's not because they want tax policy to be slightly different it's they don't fundamentally trust

00:48:56.440 them to reflect their interests and to look out for them and they also know that elites generally look

00:49:02.680 down upon them so you know that it might my challenge to silicon valley is for all their talk of

00:49:08.440 egalitarianism for all their talk about we love democracy and everybody having a voice do you

00:49:14.960 really do you really i mean the point is we all remember as a kid i i grew up outside of seattle

00:49:20.660 washington and i remember going down to a place called pioneer square you probably went there too

00:49:24.940 yep there were all kinds of people wandering around saying strange things well those people today may

00:49:30.880 have blog sites and they're going to say some crazy stuff i didn't pay a lot of attention back then

00:49:36.360 i'm not paying a lot of attention now and i have enough trust that most people aren't going to pay

00:49:42.380 a lot of attention to them and and that's i think what we have to embrace because otherwise it's we are

00:49:48.280 going to have intellectual policemen that are trying to tell people here's what you should think here's

00:49:53.780 what you should not think not only that but please don't even look in this direction you can't even

00:49:58.640 look in this direction if you look in this direction it might somehow infect you it's ridiculous the

00:50:04.280 battlefield of ideas is such that the best ideas win and i happen to believe that the ideas the

00:50:10.160 american founding were the best ideas and they are going to win and we ought to be confident in that

00:50:15.740 and the kind of monitoring and everything else honestly goes against almost every single uh

00:50:24.780 article in the bill of rights that's right almost every single one is violated now it's not violated by

00:50:32.020 the government right but it is the same principle especially the bigger they get yes um and that by

00:50:40.140 the way goes on to what you were saying earlier about huxley and orwell you know the the the

00:50:44.260 traditional view is the government was going to use technology to control our lives um it's really

00:50:51.080 corporations i've always you know i've always always made fun of you know blade runner the corporation

00:50:58.800 please shut up about the corporation it's the government no right right no we are now entering

00:51:05.740 the time where the liberal concern about corporations right is actually accurate now right you know yeah and

00:51:14.060 it's weird that they're so in love with apple and google because these are the guys you've been warning us

00:51:19.740 about yeah you know um so let me let me take you kind of to that orwell place but first explain

00:51:31.460 gmail is free google searches are free right right they are free but they come at a high price

00:51:40.700 no i'm not paying anything well you're not paying anything in terms of monetary that's true they're free

00:51:46.780 but the question is what is going on because all these servers all this capacity uh is expensive

00:51:54.120 so what google is doing is they have a product here you're not buying it you are the product they're

00:51:59.980 selling you you're selling you and they're selling all kinds of secrets about you and gmail is a perfect

00:52:04.740 example of this i use gmail up until i started on this project and now i don't use gmail anymore

00:52:10.640 and what people have to realize about gmail is they're scanning every email that comes in they're

00:52:16.420 scanning it they know what's in it they are scanning every email that you send out and if you draft an

00:52:24.700 email you know you're you're upset with your cousin about something you had a you know debate over

00:52:29.420 thanksgiving and you thought they were rude and you said you know cousin chris i think you're rude and

00:52:33.640 you're terrible and you're this and that and you say you know what that's really kind of nasty i shouldn't

00:52:37.760 send it that draft they're scanning that draft i want to make it clear you're not saying the draft

00:52:43.620 that you save and put into drafts correct it's the keystrokes it's recording the keystrokes even if you

00:52:50.600 delete all of it that's still there yeah all right what's important here is again to distinguish

00:52:57.600 when you say they're scanning it doesn't mean they're reading it correct okay and why are they

00:53:05.040 scanning it well they're scanning it because let's say you send an email to your friend

00:53:10.220 golly i'm really tired of work i'd sure love to be on a beach in mexico right now they're scanning it

00:53:16.180 because they're scanning they're looking for beach in mexico and you're going to probably see ads on

00:53:21.240 your google feed uh for apartments or or condos in mexico and lo and behold the next morning someday you

00:53:30.740 wake up and they say mr switzer i've already booked two tickets that's right would you like to

00:53:39.080 go to mexico today i know you're tired and you've been thinking about it right that's right and that's

00:53:44.840 where it's headed and and again there's there there are certain amazing conveniences that come

00:53:49.760 with this i mean you know you use google maps there are all sorts of great benefits to that to google

00:53:54.760 search the thing that people have to keep in mind though is it's not a one-way street it's not just

00:54:02.240 these wonderful good things they're doing for you it's the capacity they are developing to do things

00:54:08.420 to you so when i say that they're scanning your gmails um it's not that there's a person sitting in

00:54:15.080 silicon valley saying oh look what glenn just sent in gmail correct but they have the capacity to do that

00:54:21.300 yes and they have the capacity if they don't like what you're doing to shut you off from gmail and

00:54:26.740 and uh dr jordan peterson we highlight him in the film uh that's exactly what happened to him he's a

00:54:32.620 psychology professor at the university of toronto and he took a position against compelled speech

00:54:38.220 uh where there was a debate in toronto about an ordinance that would require you to address somebody

00:54:44.380 by their preferred gender uh peterson's position was i always address people by their preferred gender

00:54:50.280 but this is compelled speech you should not force people to do this he took this public position

00:54:55.420 the next day glenn he was shut out of his gmail account he was shut out of his youtube account

00:55:00.480 everything google owned was shut down now you would think why is this going on i think probably what

00:55:07.180 happened is somebody connected with google um maybe mid-level saw this you know is maybe in favor of

00:55:14.800 this policy position and and and sort of in a juvenile way said i don't like this guy

00:55:19.220 we're going to sort of cut him off but jordan peterson lost his gmail he lost his his google

00:55:25.480 calendar the point being you rely on these products it's going to give them an enormous capacity

00:55:32.020 over your life and if they choose to sometimes in an arbitrary way they may just shut you out because

00:55:39.180 they don't like a position that you've taken and the problem is google does not have a customer

00:55:43.400 service department you can call to say why did this happen they have no customer service department

00:55:49.040 and they make clear we can choose to do this to you anytime we want

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00:57:06.340 we break now for 10 seconds station id

00:57:08.780 i'm talking with peter swizer best-selling author and producer of a new documentary called

00:57:28.960 the creepy line so i've been asking the question of everybody who i think

00:57:34.540 is paying attention to silicon valley or is involved in silicon valley the answer comes

00:57:42.980 back exactly the same way every time because it's been a plea of mine

00:57:48.580 i'll say to them this might sound crazy

00:57:54.860 however politicians are politicians economies are economies they usually repeat the same mistakes

00:58:07.240 okay right we are at a we're at an economy that i don't care who's in office at some point it's going

00:58:15.680 to crash it always does yeah we are going to feel real pain and the longer this one goes the deeper the

00:58:23.200 pain is going to be we have politicians that tell us well i'm going to bring those jobs back okay

00:58:31.080 well you have people in silicon valley right now that are not celebrating a four point whatever

00:58:39.020 unemployment rate because their entire job is to figure out how do we have a 100 percent unemployment

00:58:49.060 rate yeah because that's the world of the future as they see it right but no one is talking

00:58:55.000 to people about this bain capital said about eight months ago by 2030 the united states of america

00:59:04.480 will have a 30 percent unemployment rate permanent and it will only go up from there because of the

00:59:13.060 things silicon valley is doing so here's the scenario

00:59:18.200 people start to lose jobs this starts to kick in around 2020 people start to lose jobs they're not

00:59:26.620 coming back the politicians have to blame somebody uh we're gonna uh you know i'm gonna bring those

00:59:34.460 jobs back i'm gonna bring those jobs back at some point the people say no those jobs aren't coming

00:59:39.560 back they have to have another story it's them it's the people in silicon valley that are taking your

00:59:47.180 livelihood away they have they have manipulated you they have and it is torches to silicon valley

00:59:56.300 unless the politician says how about we work together

01:00:04.840 that's when orwell happens yeah everyone i have said does that sound crazy let's see if they respond

01:00:18.380 the way you respond does that sound crazy no it sounds very realistic and if if i were a titan of

01:00:24.500 silicon valley was sort of their worldview that's precisely what i would do and if i was part of what

01:00:30.120 i call the permanent political class in washington republicans or democrats doesn't make all that much

01:00:34.820 different actually what i would do that's exactly what i would do and you you will then have this

01:00:38.920 in a sense unholy alliance between the political leadership and high tech uh and you know we know

01:00:45.360 who's going to get um the short end of the stick in when those two entities get together and that's

01:00:49.960 going to be the american people to get every episode of the glenn beck podcast just subscribe

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01:01:01.360 all right you're not going to put you're not going to broadcast your social security

01:01:06.600 that's not a tommy and tommy there's a b in there at the end tommy i don't know why you're still on

01:01:18.720 the phone i just really like the show and just really like talking to you about your your the

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01:01:37.240 only virtual ones because you're so healthy i'm so well stew's the healthy one yeah okay all right

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01:01:48.520 tracking you well yeah that's true and i don't want them tracking me because i go to all sorts

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01:02:24.700 starting soon two guys walk into a bar an atheist and a devout christian now at this point you might

01:02:33.140 be thinking uh this joke isn't going to be very funny or b it's probably going to be very insulting

01:02:38.500 and maybe even a little bit hostile but it was not hostile and it was fun and funny my encounter

01:02:45.860 with the godfather or as i like to call him the gad father one of the intellectual dark webs

01:02:52.380 founding members i'm i'm uh a puzzlement to many christians because i like to go to different

01:03:01.740 services i like to see how people are worshiping and i just love it you should come to our synagogue

01:03:06.240 i would love it arabic jews that's tribal that's yeah that's uh i love it that precedes jesus by a few

01:03:13.820 thousand years yeah yeah yeah um so uh and i love it yeah i've been all over the world i've you know

01:03:20.860 been in buddhist temples i've been in the the the great synagogue and and went uh on on uh shabbat um

01:03:30.300 so love it um where i have a problem and i think we you probably have the same problem except in reverse

01:03:40.840 is how

01:03:44.620 let me say this way

01:03:47.880 i think if we would just stop saying

01:03:51.660 no i have the full picture i have the full picture your picture is wrong

01:03:56.440 and if we would all just shut up and sit our pictures down on the table

01:04:01.160 they might snap into a puzzle and we'd see the whole picture

01:04:05.000 you know what i mean but we can't do that you for me to be right you must be wrong it's a zero

01:04:12.100 sum game absolutely right and and the people i respect and i mean you you are the the father

01:04:19.040 the grandfather of the intellectual dark web uh or dark uh intellectual yeah dark web um and

01:04:26.860 what i like about that is you don't have to agree on everything right you just have to be cool with

01:04:35.460 other people absolutely thinking differently and as a matter of fact i think most of the people who

01:04:39.740 are who are part of that group actually disagree on quite a few very serious i mean sam harris and i

01:04:47.520 are in perfect disagreement when it comes to donald trump he thinks he's ushering nuclear holocaust i don't

01:04:52.900 uh so there are many but what we do all share

01:04:56.980 is a commitment to intellectual conversation a disdain for intrusions against freedom of speech

01:05:04.320 a disdain for political correctness so that's sort of the bedrock on which

01:05:08.740 all else uh can be built except and and i want to get into your story because you're not like this

01:05:14.380 i don't think um bill maher sam harris they

01:05:19.640 i mean they talk about religious people like they are you know scourge the scourge of the world

01:05:27.740 and you know uh i happen to agree i i happen to agree with gandhi you know i love this jesus of yours

01:05:36.720 i just i'm not so such a big fan of his followers uh right uh you know they're good people and bad

01:05:42.840 people in in all of it uh there are good things that come out of it bad things that come out of it i

01:05:47.700 actually know a few good muslims now they're the first to be killed by radical islam

01:05:54.060 um but i you know they say they're muslim i believe that they you know follow the path of islam

01:06:01.860 as they define it right uh and they're great and they tolerate me and i tolerate them right

01:06:07.800 there are others christians jews uh atheists all of them that just demonize and that's the thing

01:06:17.540 that sets i think sets you apart at least in our interaction yeah absolutely with others look i i

01:06:24.220 i absolutely don't mind that people are very religious because i truly appreciate the functional

01:06:30.600 utility of the religious mind i i get that there are endless benefits that could come from being a

01:06:38.200 believer what bothers me is when religion becomes intrusive you understand what i mean it could be

01:06:44.340 intrusive in that you better difference between islam and an islamist right although although just to

01:06:50.380 be clear that there are there is no codified way by which islam is different from islamist an

01:06:57.320 individual might decide to ignore the 73 000 tenets that are part of islam there is no book of islamism

01:07:05.040 that is distinct from islam correct it's it's it's a lack of a reformation to codify exactly right

01:07:13.660 yeah but there are those who are not islamists in that they don't take seriously all the content of

01:07:20.760 their book it's not that they're praying to a different book called right gentle sweet islam

01:07:25.540 correct uh so uh so from my perspective when for and it doesn't have to be as intrusive as when islam

01:07:32.340 comes in to try to kill everybody else if you try to make claim as a religious person in science you're

01:07:39.400 being in my view intrusive stay in your lane right don't have the lack of epistemic humility to try to

01:07:46.540 explain why that rock looks like it is four billion years old but it's really young earth creationism

01:07:53.320 now you're being intrusive against the truth that pisses me off so i'm perfectly willing to tolerate

01:08:00.040 let that let live everyone including the most religious as long as you don't intrude on other people's rights

01:08:07.180 but the way i define intrusion wait wait wait yeah intrude on other people's rights

01:08:12.120 including truth um including truth right um the example that you used um and you said stay in your

01:08:21.100 lane if uh for instance uh the guy who invented radar i can't remember his name but he was a weatherman

01:08:28.300 okay and everybody in england you know that was in power you know they're very hierarchical um

01:08:35.860 no yeah you're a weatherman you're a weatherman no i'm telling you this idea will work right he

01:08:42.180 created it he proved that it worked and then the government stepped in and said okay we're gonna

01:08:47.440 have real people work on this now oh i okay i get it i get your analogy there there is i don't mean

01:08:53.420 stay in your lane in that uh i'm an elitist only an intellectual should say this and not a common

01:08:59.440 person to the contrary i am i'm a professor of the people as i always say not at all what i'm saying is

01:09:04.220 the epistemology of religion does not provide a workable framework for understanding natural laws

01:09:13.300 that's not its domain therefore it shouldn't pretend that it could contribute to scientific truths

01:09:18.960 maybe it can help you understand how to behave or not we can debate that and that's fine maybe it

01:09:23.420 it has a place to play in terms of moral codes and we can disagree or not with that but it doesn't

01:09:29.040 there is no way to study natural mechanisms either through the epistemology of religion or the

01:09:36.000 epistemology of science science is the only game in town town when it comes to studying natural

01:09:42.440 phenomena you're not happy i think no no no no i think i i think i agree with you the bible is not a

01:09:50.120 science book but it does make science claims it does make very clear scientific claims that are

01:09:56.280 anyone that are disproven anyone i think any thinking human being will look at the scriptures

01:10:05.780 and say what were they trying to explain in their language what were they what were they saying and you

01:10:15.380 can look at the arc of the story and go okay the arc of the story i get um uh did god create in seven

01:10:24.800 days that's ridiculous it's ridiculous now you could say his days are different than my days

01:10:31.880 fine that's where the olympic mental gymnastics start if you want to say that a book that is

01:10:39.400 written 5 000 years ago those guys had an idea of you know what i mean um uh but olympic gymnastics

01:10:49.260 or not you can look and say okay well his days aren't the same as mine um but science will tell

01:10:56.680 me right how old this planet is and and you know the big bang i don't have a problem with the big bang

01:11:05.200 okay don't know if it that's the way it happened right looks like it but okay what i'm concerned

01:11:11.760 about is what caused the big bang right what happened a millisecond before the big bang but

01:11:18.240 it's almost the last place now where god can hide right it you you know you've heard of the god of the

01:11:23.280 gaps argument uh the god of the gaps argument is basically whenever there is an explanatory gap

01:11:28.620 in our scientific knowledge that's where god goes to hide right so there used to be a time when an eclipse

01:11:33.960 was god yeah now he could no longer hide there then thunder was god then he can't hide there that's a

01:11:38.600 scientist there is nothing there is nothing i don't believe i don't believe it's going to get

01:11:46.760 me in so much trouble i don't believe that the waters parted okay i do believe the jewish uh oral

01:11:54.320 tradition that the winds might have swept and swept the water to leave a path but not like this right

01:12:03.480 okay um velikovsky theorized that maybe the uh asteroid belt was from a and he was wrong on all

01:12:12.620 this but maybe there was an maybe a moon spun off caused some gravitational pull something came made the

01:12:20.220 water stand up i don't believe that but at least it's a scientific way of looking for what is right is

01:12:26.900 happening you know faith um people say well that wasn't a miracle well um i don't know i think a

01:12:36.220 cat scan is right i think that's a cat i think that's a miracle in any other time that would have

01:12:42.100 been called a miracle right now we're just learning how to do things and what brought about the cat

01:12:48.040 science yeah i have no problem science you know but by the way if god comes and he says no uh two plus

01:12:59.220 two equals five he's not god that's called post-modernism by the way yeah i know it is

01:13:04.060 if you are in constant pain you are not alone and i know because i've been in pain since the day i

01:13:23.720 hired stew i just i don't know why you bring that up constantly well where have you been i've had to

01:13:29.120 deal with tommy the whole the whole time who i'm not sure who that is anyway uh inflammation in our

01:13:36.140 bodies is really what causes most of our problems pain uh and also disease as well you've got to get

01:13:42.860 the inflammation in your body uh and and and for me i've named to get it inside and the inflammation

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01:13:54.140 uh veterans who could barely walk people who worked in manufacturing they take relief factor and

01:14:01.040 many times they can return to work i know what constant pain is like you don't have to live that

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01:14:30.300 finger on one of the worst ramifications of this new era in technology and social media it's how we

01:14:36.700 become so tribalized into our own little safe spaces we're not interconnected anymore we've become

01:14:42.880 cocooned and separated we're surrounded by opinions that agree with us rather than open us up to or at

01:14:49.920 least considering those things that we don't want to hear we don't talk to one another anymore we don't

01:14:58.200 engage in respectful debate we don't actually listen and it's one of the reasons why i started doing

01:15:04.180 podcast every saturday they're available at glennbeck.com or wherever you get your podcast

01:15:09.360 the one you're about to hear is i think crucial gad sad a guy i'm not supposed to like and i'm a guy he's

01:15:17.900 not supposed to like but we ended up loving each other he's one of the original intellectual dark

01:15:23.340 web thinkers he is an atheist and someone whose opinion i value greatly here's part of the conversation

01:15:30.640 we had about religion and god spoiler alert no one gets insulted or hostile you said earlier god is a

01:15:40.900 scientist i actually wrote an article where i argued that god is a darwinist and let me make the argument

01:15:46.420 here for you so there's a great paper written by a darwinian historian so this is a historian who

01:15:52.120 studies historical patterns using the evolutionary lens and she did a content analysis of the old

01:15:59.260 testament so this is a way where you can study scientifically the bible with with an evolutionary

01:16:06.100 lens here's and here's what she did so there's a lot of research that shows that with higher status

01:16:11.080 men have more access to women right so the reason why men fight to other men for status is because

01:16:16.960 the downstream consequences is i get more women right and so what she wanted to do is test this

01:16:21.820 exact idea by looking at characters in the bible and so what she did is she coded each individual in

01:16:28.760 the bible his rank so for example he's a prophet he's a king he's a general he's a slave he's a farmer

01:16:35.220 and then counted the number of women mates that are associated to him and it was the exact prediction

01:16:43.980 that you would expect from evolutionary theory with greater status of men in the bible comes greater

01:16:49.880 reproductive benefits and so therefore i call that god is a darwinist so again the bible does contain

01:16:57.160 certain universal truths certain evolutionary truths but those truths can exist from my viewpoint

01:17:02.820 simply because they are a manifestation of human beings having written those things not of a

01:17:07.960 supernatural agent last question on this then i want to get to your history but last last thing

01:17:11.780 can we agree on on maybe two out of the four ben franklin was asked what is the american religion

01:17:19.800 and uh they were trying to trap him and uh he said well the american religion is that there is a god

01:17:28.720 he's gonna judge us so we should serve him and the best way to serve him is in is by serving our fellow

01:17:35.180 man if that's what religion did is it good yeah yeah is it good yeah uh the only thing though is i would

01:17:45.920 say my god is it more impressive for me to serve you without it being an exhortation from god exactly in

01:17:54.520 other words if i am good to glenn beck simply because i am innately virtuous and i think it's

01:18:00.280 the right thing to do without worrying whether a sky daddy is judging me or not that's i'm more pure

01:18:05.620 for that and it's more pure it's when you you know people try to go baptize people i gotta get you

01:18:13.200 baptized in the faith oh would you stop so you're not baptized yeah i am but i i i despise the push

01:18:21.600 to get people into the waters of baptism right i believe in this etc etc i believe what i do

01:18:28.420 however how about i just love somebody right with no ulterior motive i just want to love you right

01:18:36.360 because anything else is crass right anything else does not come from what's more impure

01:18:42.440 because it has an ulterior motive correct and that's what we were talking doesn't god's not like up there

01:18:46.840 going you know if we befriend this guy then this guy will do that it's not good it doesn't work that

01:18:52.360 way if there is a god he's not doing that right he's like hey can can you guys he is come to me like

01:18:57.980 a child he is very childlike guys just get along right love each other

01:19:03.780 the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment this is the glenbeck program no matter how you get your

01:19:14.380 news today whether it's from a newspaper or cable tv or a smartphone there's not a whole lot to be

01:19:20.740 optimistic about most times it can be downright discouraging i think what we need right now is a

01:19:27.780 little old-time country perspective my conversation with phil robertson he's about as old-time country

01:19:36.340 as it gets it begins in one minute this is the glenbeck program i'm holding in my hand right now a piece

01:19:46.140 of american history uh for many reasons these are the united states 1881 uh philadelphia minted uh the gold

01:19:57.080 liberty coin there were five dollars at the time five dollars of gold this is what you call the gold

01:20:03.220 standard it could mark five dollars because it was five dollars worth of gold and if you took this five

01:20:09.640 dollars now and you could go whatever you could buy in 1881 for five dollars i can guarantee you

01:20:15.460 it's damn close to what you could take one of these coins in for and buy now it's not going to cost

01:20:23.080 you five dollars you know it might cost you 250 but that's inflation gold does not inflate it holds

01:20:30.900 its value this is the coin also that uh when fdr took the gold you could still keep this is the gold

01:20:38.660 that i collect they have them right now the five dollar liberty coins you can get them uh at really

01:20:45.400 one place and it is gold line 866 gold line that's 1-866 gold line read their important information

01:20:52.280 find out if gold is right for you at 1-866 gold line

01:20:56.740 back before customers at coffee shops got their information from actually talking to a person

01:21:09.240 sitting across the table from them rather than ignoring them while scrolling through their twitter

01:21:14.320 mentions things were a lot simpler there was wisdom in a good conversation a friend a family member

01:21:21.060 or a pastor was usually the first to be consulted when advice was needed i thought we needed to get

01:21:26.500 back to a little bit of that my podcast available at glennbeck.com or wherever you get your podcast is a

01:21:32.500 good mixture of modern day technology and old-fashioned communication one-on-one thoughtful and practical

01:21:39.720 application that you can actually use my recent conversation was with phil robertson and it goes

01:21:47.020 right to the heart of this concept here's a small portion as things become more and more insane in

01:21:53.620 our world yep uh i thought of the poster that uh that churchill put out in the second world war

01:22:01.600 keep calm and carry on right now none of us are keeping calm we're all freaking out all we have to do

01:22:09.220 is keep calm and then do the things that you know are right just pay no attention to that just keep

01:22:17.260 calm and carry on you're quoting some great scriptures look i urge you brothers in view of

01:22:24.360 god's mercy offer your body as living sacrifices holy and pleasing to god offer your body that's 24 7

01:22:30.660 which is your spiritual worship don't conform any longer to the pattern of the world you just

01:22:36.700 mentioned the pattern of the world back it's insane if someone had told me that we would end up

01:22:42.580 by 2020 with the mischief and the sinful the murder

01:22:51.380 the own children they shoot up churches concert you're like what

01:22:59.140 jesus said the devil is the father of lies just look at the news media and what they keep

01:23:09.840 coming out of their mouth and you're like

01:23:13.060 and the scary party is i think they believe the lie

01:23:19.600 you too and it's not just it's not just the news media it's the jesus said the devil is behind the

01:23:25.500 whole thing yeah it's advertising think of the lies of to sell somebody a product i have to tell you

01:23:32.760 you're not complete without this that's the biggest lie there is i know it that's why i haven't gotten

01:23:40.320 into the cell phone and computer business i'm on the i'm on the computer but i never look there's

01:23:46.520 different gifts here's worship love must be sincere 24 7 hate what is evil cling to what's good

01:23:54.160 all the time 24 7 be devoted to one another and brilliantly love all the time honor one another

01:24:02.640 above yourselves all the time don't be lacking in zeal keep your spiritual fervor serving the lord

01:24:11.220 all the time be joyful in hope patient and affliction my prostate acted up here about two or three weeks

01:24:19.020 ago you say did you go down down on the ground i asked the almighty to take it from me it took about

01:24:25.760 a week or 10 days i actually went to see a doctor for the first time in 50 years you say patient and

01:24:32.360 affliction the last time i've been in the hospital is when a tick bit me and gave me rabbit fever you

01:24:37.800 say you haven't been back to a doctor since but i went the other day because the old prostate got

01:24:43.220 back to acting up you're like was it rough was it rough so look patient and affliction i weathered

01:24:49.580 it faithful in prayer share with god's people who are in need practice hospitality have them over for

01:24:57.400 a meal bless those who persecute you that's why i told you i don't don't curse them bless them

01:25:04.060 they're all right bless and don't curse rejoice with those who rejoice mourn with those who mourn

01:25:10.700 live in harmony with one another don't be proud but be willing to associate with people of low

01:25:16.520 position the poor the downtrodden the whether rednecks whatever don't be conceited don't repay

01:25:24.000 anyone evil for evil this is worship this is how we worship be careful to do what is right in the eyes

01:25:31.200 of everybody you're like be careful to do what is right no matter who's looking do what is right be

01:25:39.700 careful to do what's right heathen or not do what's right before him let him see that if it's possible

01:25:47.440 which is amazing as far as it depends on you live at peace with everyone i live in a redneck

01:25:56.900 neighborhood you say you try to live at peace with them yep they were stealing my fish

01:26:05.320 the rednecks back when i was fishing to survive before the duck call took off i had a lot of nets

01:26:12.840 in the river hoop nets catfish go in them buffalo buffalo you get 30 cents a pound catfish you get 70

01:26:19.720 i had all these nets out add floats on them you could see them everyone around there knew they were my nets

01:26:27.620 i would notice that i'd hear an outboard when i trained myself to get it go down there right

01:26:34.340 quick looking through the bushes and i'm looking over there and every once in a while some of these

01:26:39.760 guys would pull up on one of those floats and they'd start coming up with it they're going to steal my

01:26:45.760 fish what i did at first i was young in the faith i took a shotgun with buckshot and i tore out there

01:26:56.240 and i would threaten them scare the daylights out of them what are you doing stealing from me

01:27:01.900 but they kept stealing i'd run that bunch off and three weeks later there's another bunch

01:27:08.300 i read this text that where i'm reading now uh don't take revenge my friends leave room for god's wrath

01:27:19.760 it's written it's mine to avenge i will repay says the lord on the contrary if your enemy's hungry feed him

01:27:25.580 if he's thirsty give him something to drink i said young in the faith i said that won't work

01:27:35.040 these rednecks if i'm good to them

01:27:39.500 if i give them what they're trying to steal you're telling me lord they'll quit stealing

01:27:46.400 i said that won't work but it occurred to me back i said how would i know i've never tried it

01:27:53.400 i'm just trying to spook them and these are dangerous people anyway of course you're in the

01:28:00.840 south you eat yankees yeah so i said well i'm going to try that lord i'm going to test you right here on

01:28:11.640 this so the next bunch i catch i tear out there with my motor i have my gun just in case my faith

01:28:19.780 gets a little weak but it's not in my hands it's in the bottom of the boat i pull out there these

01:28:26.720 guys look around and they're dropping my net in the river acting like they were fishing i said guys

01:28:33.640 looks like uh you've had trouble catching some fish and you decided to get mine in my nets i said good

01:28:41.580 times have come your way i'm going to give you the fish and they're looking at me and the look on their

01:28:49.440 faces they looked at each other i said i'm going to give you what you i want you to have a fish fry

01:28:55.480 how many are coming they said well uh let's see there was my cousin and i said you know you start

01:29:03.840 frying fish people have come out of the woodwork kin folks you haven't seen in years i said listen

01:29:08.720 i'm going to get keep your boat right there i said calm down now i'm not going to hurt you i said

01:29:14.980 i'm going to give you what you would try let's see what you fix to catch well i pull the net up

01:29:19.500 add a lot of fish in it i put him in my boat i put the net back out i said bring your boat over here

01:29:25.520 they said no so we'll just go on down i said come on over here they were scared of me but they were

01:29:32.200 thinking wait a minute we're stealing from him he's given us what we were trying to steal he's crazy

01:29:37.560 so look they get their boat over and i start throwing fish over in their boat i said when you

01:29:44.360 think you have enough for the fish fry you can say say so and they told me one time well i you know i

01:29:50.520 think that'd be enough i said no let me give you a few more so i threw them some more i said now

01:29:55.540 you have what you wanted to steal i'm giving you what you were trying to steal i said i do this

01:30:02.740 for a living this is how i make money i said i would appreciate it if you didn't steal from me

01:30:08.760 i said now listen i live see up on the hill that house on that hill yeah i said the next time you

01:30:14.720 want to fish fry if you can't catch any fish just come see me and i'll give them to you

01:30:19.840 all the way up and down the river for years after that they all quit stealing from me

01:30:27.500 what i didn't know was young in the faith i appealed to their conscience if they had one

01:30:36.260 and i wanted them to say good night the guy would give them to us i mean the old guy gave us the fish

01:30:43.800 we was trying to steal can you believe that well once that goes around in the redneck circles they

01:30:48.700 say we shouldn't fool with that old dude that's a good old dude god was right all along i just never

01:30:55.400 had i was too weak to see it so i will tell you i i find i read the scriptures and i find answers to

01:31:02.980 everything everything that you do just like you did with the fish and answers everywhere in it

01:31:07.760 and it's amazing because every time i try it works too

01:31:11.940 is there a problem uh with people of faith in america today because they

01:31:20.280 they profess they believe it but then they don't do it they you know the the the answer is

01:31:28.700 these are not enemies of yours they're enemies of mine i i have the right for vengeance you don't

01:31:36.540 you i am commanding you to love them remember we're not wrestling against flesh and blood right

01:31:44.760 that's humans that's not where the battle is correct but we're wrestling with the rulers of

01:31:51.240 this age the authorities the princes of darkness the spiritual wickedness yeah so our battle is with

01:32:00.000 the evil one that's why when i wrote that book it says the theft of america's soul i'm putting it on

01:32:07.060 the evil one the humans are just caught up in it correct but if you are if they're delivered from

01:32:13.480 satan they're ready to go but he's the problem so where are all the christians that don't want to

01:32:21.720 um that will say i you know what i have plenty let me give you my fish just don't steal from me

01:32:30.940 they would say and i mean this for everybody but i'm hearing it from christians i'm you know um but

01:32:38.420 i know everybody is this way they would say that is weakness that will show weakness they're going to

01:32:46.000 steal from you blind if you do that you can't do that you got to show power and you got to stand up

01:32:52.440 yeah yeah let me show you another thing on where they would do the same thing

01:32:57.280 be angry but sin not

01:33:02.380 okay so someone sins against you and you're angry you're good anger is a healthy emotion

01:33:11.740 however vengeance is not that's right be angry but don't sin you're like well how could i be angry

01:33:20.160 not sin well if you lash back out verbally they curse you you start cursing them and then you

01:33:27.260 have a and it escalates so we both are cursing each other you know good you know two neighbors

01:33:33.020 one mowing the grass one the other side of the fence and they're sitting there cursing each other

01:33:36.440 you're like you can't lash back physically you're sinning you have to keep your mouth shut you don't pick

01:33:43.360 up something either and begin to beat them half to death with it or pull out your pistol and shoot

01:33:48.240 them be angry but don't sin okay they sinned against you you don't retaliate verbally you don't

01:33:54.820 retaliate physically you just walk away however a lot of times when you walk away you didn't sin

01:34:03.180 not yet but you're bitter because they cursed you you lack they've still got their their talons on you

01:34:11.400 they're still causing you harm they're still controlling you because you're bitter about taking

01:34:18.100 the cursing for no reason you say well what's the way out of that mess what's the strong person to do

01:34:26.340 just forgive them don't be bitter don't lash out verbally don't lash out physically just forgive them

01:34:35.440 and move on you say it looks who's the stronger person the one that can't take a cursing without

01:34:43.500 cursing back that's weak you say pick up something because somebody cursed you and you're gonna beat

01:34:48.500 them after death you say that's weak you're bitter for the next 20 years over what someone you're like

01:34:55.000 they've controlled your life for 20 years you're still mad about what they did back you see it all

01:35:00.640 the time or just forgive them and move on you say forgive them that's true there's the strong person

01:35:08.680 so we just get it out of whack since it's a day of interviews i thought uh we'd do an interview with

01:35:18.980 a an actual thief uh what was your name again i should not give that out on the air you should

01:35:24.640 not get it out on the air okay yeah but you are a thief i am a thief and uh one of the first things i uh

01:35:29.620 i look for when i'm looking for a place to break into is first of all do they have cheese it's i love

01:35:36.180 cheese it's i always make sure i eat all the cheese it's right right so secondarily i want to make

01:35:41.180 sure that they don't have an alarm system because i've got simply say for something i'm out of there

01:35:45.280 i am out of there love the cheese it's i'll stay for cheese it's i'm out is that where cheese it's

01:35:50.080 the cops it came from cheese it it's the cops or what i don't know what you're talking about

01:35:55.300 but i do know that they have several delicious variations you're not from anywhere up in the

01:36:00.620 northeast are you no not at all okay good because it really doesn't sound like it uh simply safe

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01:36:29.300 i'm talking to phil robertson the granddaddy of duck dynasty phil breaks it down as only phil can break it

01:36:58.060 down so i think i think forgiveness is the i think that's the first step i think the deeper step

01:37:06.060 of of it is profound empathy i know i've been in situations where i've had to forgive and i could

01:37:14.460 forgive and then i've been in situations that i've prayed a lot about that i knew i was going to have

01:37:19.500 problems with yep and my whole heart saw felt their pain and all of a sudden no matter what they said

01:37:29.480 to me i could just feel how much pain they were in yep and it it it brings you to tears and you're

01:37:36.420 and that is that's even more when you when you can to say i forgive you and mean it

01:37:42.900 is hard yep to feel the very difficult other pain beings very difficult for human beings to get that

01:37:50.340 that's why the greatest commands of the bible love god and love your neighbor you say

01:37:54.620 in spite of the mistakes how many times lord shall we forgive him seven he said 70 times seven

01:38:03.020 70 times seven they're like 70 times seven if glenn back and phil robertson added up every violation

01:38:13.380 where they broke god's one of his laws if we added them all up you say there would be probably thousands

01:38:24.220 that's why jesus said you'll be forgiven to them 70 times seven be ready to forgive look how many sins

01:38:33.740 i've forgiven of you so if you look at it like that you say whoa what's this leave no debt remain

01:38:43.100 outstanding let no debt remain outstanding pay your bills except one debt we owe back the continuing debt

01:38:52.800 to love one another for he who loves his fellow man watch how this works has fulfilled the law

01:39:03.120 with all the don't do this don't do that don't lie don't steal don't care don't you're like how do you

01:39:09.000 how do you fulfill that love your neighbor watch the commandments do not commit adultery do not murder

01:39:17.260 do not steal do not covet and whatever other commandment there may be are summed up in this one

01:39:24.540 rule love your neighbor as yourself love does no harm to its neighbor you're like

01:39:34.460 i don't get up in the morning and say i gotta make sure that i don't steal somebody's you know

01:39:41.180 money out of their billfold or i i gotta make sure that you know that that i don't have any evil

01:39:46.780 thoughts and i gotta make sure that i'm you know i don't lash out at that just love them just love

01:39:53.180 them if you love them you're certainly not gonna shoot them if you love them you say you're not going

01:40:00.220 to be unkind to them if you love them you're not going to mess with their woman you love them too much

01:40:06.380 she's your sister she's a fellow human being you say love would take care of every bit of that

01:40:14.320 but boy is that a hard lesson it's a hard one to get every episode of the glenn beck podcast just

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01:41:52.320 her parents dropped out of school at a young age she lived in absolute poverty with no electricity

01:42:03.260 and no running water but carol swain refused to be defined by all of that i sat down with carol a

01:42:10.460 little while ago for a podcast it's available at glennbeck.com or wherever you get your podcasts

01:42:15.260 and i was blown away by her story former professor at vanderbilt her work is now been cited by two

01:42:22.500 supreme court justices but here's the part of the conversation on race and immigration that was

01:42:28.900 fascinating look at how long the government was shut down and didn't seem to be a problem with most

01:42:35.980 people um there is a there's a contempt i mean this border wall thing i think the average american

01:42:44.520 on the border wall says look i just want to know who's here i want to make sure msn ms 13 is not

01:42:50.800 in my neighborhood i want to make sure that bad guys aren't here i want to make sure the good people

01:42:55.560 that just want to make us better and want to become american can come through the front door but make

01:42:59.720 that easier i'm fine with that right but i just don't want people here the reason why they're demanding

01:43:04.060 a wall is because they don't trust government they say i want something permanent because you'll pass it

01:43:11.500 you won't build it and if you do build it you'll stop you'll stop doing whatever it was you said you

01:43:18.140 were going to do the minute we turn around that's why people want a wall so we're we're we're looking

01:43:25.940 at this this time where i think somebody like donald trump could say you know what you know why this

01:43:36.120 border wall is is in the mess that it is because nobody in the republican party actually mean it

01:43:43.640 when they tell you border wall nobody in the democratic party actually mean it they were fighting

01:43:50.120 for it 10 years ago now it's immoral and i think he could make the case to both sides well i can just

01:43:58.840 have to stop um my latest most recent academic book is is an edited debating immigration and um and it

01:44:09.840 was released august of last year so i've given a lot of thought to immigration immigration has not been

01:44:16.780 reformed since 1986 and we've done piecemeal and there's no incentive by either political party to

01:44:24.720 make the reforms that we need and so we're talking border wall when immigration itself the whole thing

01:44:31.560 needs to be reformed and the wall i believe is needed because i mean there's another caravan coming

01:44:38.820 from honduras on its way to the u.s and the you know they do get across the fence and you may have seen

01:44:46.740 the uh photograph of someone they know how to drive cars they they have tracks where they can oh yeah

01:44:54.500 yeah drive a car over over the fence which means we need to make our fences better but we definitely

01:45:00.780 need something so that you just can't have you know thousands of people that just walk across the

01:45:06.040 border or rush the border or they are in one group where as you're focused on the 2000 when the 200

01:45:14.420 are you know a mile down walking across the border so i think the border wall all of our attention is on

01:45:22.740 that when it should be on comprehensive immigration reform and by comprehensive i don't mean you know

01:45:29.260 amnesty as a code word i mean comprehensive in that you look at the whole picture legal as well as

01:45:36.140 illegal immigration and it is impacting american citizens in adverse ways and the ones that are

01:45:44.740 coming here are being released in texas and cities uh they they have to be housed somewhere that's

01:45:52.200 housing that american citizens are not going to get because they tend to uh in some cases have more

01:46:00.020 benefits able to get more benefits from certain parts than american citizens that are struggling i i find

01:46:06.700 it um i find it insulting that the country that was built by immigrants

01:46:14.160 we're all immigrants one way or another most of us are all immigrants one way or another at some

01:46:19.300 point we saw the the racism against chinese against blacks against the irish white black didn't matter

01:46:27.880 if you were different you were bad right but we saw the america that it built and it built a country

01:46:36.720 because those people came here wanting a promise to be americans to be americans i don't know and i'm

01:46:47.880 sure there are tons of them i shouldn't say tons maybe five percent of the american population is

01:46:53.820 somebody who said i don't want any of these foreigners here maybe there are maybe it's 10 i don't know

01:46:57.920 but 90 percent aren't like that right if you come here and say i can make you better it's it's to to

01:47:06.980 accuse conservatives or to accuse people who say look i need people to watch this border because

01:47:13.040 there's bad things happening right to say that they are racist somehow or xenophobic when when you're

01:47:20.740 when you're talking to a group of people who say books and people are the same i want diversity i want

01:47:29.320 a diversity of ideas that's more important than skin color i know i mean i'm people coming in right

01:47:35.340 it makes us better i know but as long as epithets can be used to intimidate people and silence them

01:47:43.200 then uh they'll be hurled and i think that in some cases the reaction should be to embrace the epithet just

01:47:52.280 laugh at it and keep going with the conversation i thought um i saw i saw somebody i won't address who

01:48:01.840 the two candidates are um but i saw somebody uh and they had such a natural sense of humor just they were

01:48:10.680 just natural and a really natural almost infectious laugh and uh somebody who didn't right and one

01:48:18.500 person is is looking and saying they're saying oh that person's gonna that person will do well

01:48:24.220 against donald trump because they'll bash him the other person is uh is they're not talking about and i

01:48:31.740 thought if the other person runs against donald trump and donald trump does what donald trump does and

01:48:37.700 he you know he makes up a name for everybody and everything else if they are honest if it's not

01:48:43.780 if it's their personality you are a kind gentle thoughtful woman you there's no way you can't see

01:48:51.720 that in you um if this is the kind of person they are and they laugh and go ah that's me it could

01:49:01.940 diffuse it and that could win that is a problem that we're all taking things so seriously and we're

01:49:11.880 getting so mad and stop calling me that it doesn't matter what they say doesn't matter does it not to

01:49:19.720 me not to me i refuse to be silenced because america means a lot to me and i think about my children

01:49:28.740 my grandchildren and when i say my children i'm not thinking just about my biological children i'm

01:49:35.400 thinking about all of those thousands of students that i've taught over the years and uh it troubles me

01:49:42.100 what i see taking place and it troubles me when i see racism against white people uh the argument is

01:49:48.780 that you know that white people uh can't be victims of racism because uh racism only applies to people

01:49:56.020 that don't have power and all whites have privilege well that is really um i'll say hogwash

01:50:03.120 because i don't want to say the other word i think that um we need to stand for principles

01:50:10.180 and if the principle is non-discrimination on the base of race gender uh national origin then it

01:50:18.260 includes everybody non-discrimination has to be against every group and so it can't be

01:50:23.020 one group that is safe to discriminate against you know that they have less rights i think that um

01:50:29.160 isn't isn't this what king really was talking about i think so i think so and we have lost this message

01:50:39.100 i mean he's out of vogue uh nowadays and people would prefer to embrace other leaders that are more

01:50:44.920 divisive and if we don't start to turn things around in america i think that we will see our nation

01:50:52.040 fall and maybe in our lifetimes um if i had to ask you what the um thing that keeps you up at night

01:51:05.460 because we started with urgency you had a sense of purpose and a sense of urgency so if i said to you

01:51:13.380 carol you're it's your last week and this is your last interview and you have a chance to talk

01:51:24.440 to americans and they're actually hear you what would your message be my message would be that we

01:51:32.400 need to return to our judeo-christian values and principles i think that a lot of the confusion

01:51:38.560 that we have in america a lot of the violence and the hopelessness has come as we have become

01:51:46.320 increasingly secular i think that america is a nation that was founded on judeo-christian values

01:51:53.360 and principles we had the civic religion you know that many people they were not necessarily

01:51:59.920 deeply religious but there were certain values and principles that made us americans

01:52:05.400 we've lost that and if we don't regain our footing you know spiritually uh um and which ties into

01:52:14.520 truth and knowledge then i think we're doomed

01:52:17.600 i want to talk to you about uh getting a vpn a lot of people don't know what a vpn is

01:52:31.180 uh if you say it to them but a vpn you've seen it in every movie you know spy or you know somebody

01:52:37.120 is like trying to avoid you know the fbi or whatever they're like trace that call and they

01:52:41.780 can't because it keeps jumping all around over the map yeah all over the map that's what a vpn does

01:52:46.540 and it stops you know you don't have to be a criminal to have it well in fact you you really

01:52:51.780 want it to stop things from like google or facebook public wi-fi i mean i i if i mean i've been

01:52:57.780 terrible with that in the past and uh i've had my information stolen recently where they you know

01:53:02.420 they didn't have my credit card in their hands but somehow they were charging stuff you know

01:53:06.380 almost ten thousand dollars worth of stuff they ran up on my card that that could be because you

01:53:11.200 were at some public wi-fi and you were just accessing your bank or something like that it's

01:53:14.820 been a while since i was that much of a moron uh but uh it can happen and it can happen very

01:53:19.900 easily it happens all over the country you just don't even think about it you really don't think

01:53:24.140 about it i don't know you just here's the thing this is really easy to use you just download the

01:53:28.800 app uh you put in the password once and then you don't ever have to think about it again and you're

01:53:33.600 you are encrypted and secure so nobody's hacking and taking your stuff it's a virtual private network

01:53:41.140 and it is it's offered by norton they're the best in the business norton.com slash vpn go there now

01:53:48.280 norton.com slash vpn i'm talking to carol swain one of the top academic minds today analyzing race

01:53:56.760 and immigration here's another part of the conversation from the glenn beck podcast where

01:54:01.660 we talk about slavery and christianity so let me play let me just push back let me play devil's

01:54:07.820 all right play the average person that is that hears that and they're like oh geez well those judeo

01:54:14.360 christian values they don't know what they created slavery those judeo-christian values were on display

01:54:21.180 with with fire hoses and dogs those judeo-christian values have slaughtered people all over the world

01:54:28.500 i would say that that is um again i mean i can't find the word a ladylike word to say what my reaction

01:54:36.920 would normally be there were always christians that fought for abolition that uh protected uh

01:54:44.280 the uh slaves and helped them you know get to freedom that educate set up universities back in the

01:54:51.140 1800s and if you look at all the billions of dollars the philanthropy that has come from white people

01:54:58.880 throughout um uh the ages specifically americans i think i'm talking about americans i'm talking about

01:55:05.200 americans you know there there have been universities going back to the 1800s they were educating blacks

01:55:10.820 and there were universities in new england that never discriminated and they were educating blacks

01:55:16.220 and so a lot of the uh positive things that have taken place in america we have always been a nation that

01:55:24.280 we eventually acknowledged our wrongs but even um when those wrongs were there there were always

01:55:31.280 christian people who were fighting for what's right and they um and so for me i'm glad that i'm an american

01:55:40.440 and and i'm a descendant of slaves on at least one side of my family i'm a descendant of slaves

01:55:48.560 and when i look at divine providence you know we don't know why things happen the way they do

01:55:54.780 but i'm glad that my ancestors made it to america because i believe america is the greatest country in

01:56:01.760 the world blacks in america whether they know it or not are better off than blacks anywhere else in the

01:56:08.120 world it's a blessing to be an american and so uh if i look at white people i see people that

01:56:16.980 have always tried to improve the lot of people around the world and uh they've sent missionaries

01:56:24.640 uh i i go to a church where wealthy white people work in inner city ghetto that they spend their time

01:56:33.020 and their resources working among uh in neighborhoods where i would i am uncomfortable to go at times

01:56:39.940 but they're not and so um i just think that when you have secularism and a devaluation of human life

01:56:48.480 that we see in abortion uh the fact that we don't value as americans life at any stage

01:56:56.540 we don't we don't value the life of the unborn or the lives of the elderly or the lives of people

01:57:04.320 that are born uh you know with some type of handicap i mean that makes us we know better than uh uh the

01:57:12.300 people doing you know hitler you know and the nazis because a lot of what we do it's very similar

01:57:19.180 if you haven't got into the podcast yet i highly recommend that you start it's a return to the lost

01:57:28.740 art of informative conversation and something that social media and clickbait media has slowly taken

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01:57:41.760 can find the glennbeck podcast what you heard today was just a very small sampling but you can already

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