Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen was sentenced by a federal judge in Manhattan today. How did he explain himself to the judge? Well, we start there in one minute. A quick reminder from LifeLock about the holiday season. You have to be really careful about who you're shopping with. Now is the time that people put up these fake sites. Can you imagine if all of these criminals would put up a fake website where we could get their credit card numbers?
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00:03:54.880Okay, so Michael Cohen, who was anybody clear that, I mean, it was anybody shocked that the guy who's like, look, guys, so I'm attorney and I just call people and problems go away.
00:04:19.260Was anybody shocked that that guy was dirty?
00:04:21.660I actually was curious to see if there was ever a day he did not commit a crime in his life from birth.
00:04:27.920I am surprised that this is all they found.
00:04:32.280You know, it was like, I expected them to go, what?
00:04:35.000I don't know how those six bodies got into the trunk of my car.
00:04:40.180I would have completely believed that completely believed if they were digging up his backyard.
00:04:45.620And I mean this sincerely, if they were digging up his backyard and they found a skull, I would not have been surprised if they hit the sewage tank before a skull.
00:05:35.920Now, if I could find a way to go to prison, but it's like a campus prison, I think I'd be okay with that just until they're about 18 and out of the house.
00:05:46.220You know, it's like, hey, kids, I would have loved to been there for you with all your parent teacher meetings.
00:06:22.660They can say whatever they want because they have immunity to go on the Senate floor or congressional floor and just start blabbing about whatever.
00:06:28.940That's why Harry Reid kept doing so many speeches because he would go on there and completely lie about someone and no one could do anything about it.
00:06:35.020You know, I hear Mitt Romney is a devil worshiper.
00:07:11.220While Mr. Cohen is taking steps to mitigate his criminal conduct by pleading guilty and volunteering useful information to prosecutors, that does not wipe the slate clean.
00:07:20.960I don't think he would have gotten if he if he didn't plead guilty and do a deal.
00:07:26.900He pled guilty in August to eight criminal charges in two different cases, one brought by the special counsel, Robert Mueller, for Cohen's lying to Congress about a Trump Tower project in Moscow.
00:07:38.260The second was for bank fraud, tax and campaign finance violations brought up by federal prosecutors in New York.
00:07:45.760You know, it's really the federal prosecutors that are finding something substantial here.
00:08:16.380My own weakness is blind loyalty to this man over there.
00:08:21.840And it led me to choose the path of darkness over light.
00:08:26.800You haven't dug up any concrete lately, have you?
00:08:29.940Time and time again, he said, I felt it was my duty to cover up his dirty deeds rather than to listen to my own inner voice and moral compass.
00:10:33.040Do you remember when the National Enquirer came out and all of a sudden this woman was on the she was on the cover, wasn't she, for her fitness program?
00:10:41.000It was after the investigative investigation started.
00:10:44.180Yeah, they put her on actually one of their other publications.
00:12:05.440And they changed their tune as soon as he was sentenced.
00:12:09.500Like two hours later, they were in the office going, yeah, we should talk.
00:12:14.460So we don't know exactly, except if, again, this is true, this one does matter because this one, they say they were working with the campaign and not with Donald Trump.
00:12:30.100So there could be actual problems there.
00:12:33.660I mean, I think there's problems with the other one, but it's kind of like, ah, I mean, this one is really crystal clear.
00:12:42.920I'm kind of at the point of just interested in just historically all the stuff that happened there.
00:12:48.500They're going to get this behind the scenes stuff that you wouldn't normally get from a presidential campaign.
00:12:52.700Like I was thinking about this after the Inquirer stuff came down yesterday.
00:12:55.760At some point, there were multiple stories about Ted Cruz murdering her, his dad murdering JFK.
00:13:05.200And remember the affair that Ted Cruz supposedly had with like 15 women, one of which was on the staff, the campaign staff of Donald Trump.
00:16:58.860We have, uh, Jason, uh, Buttrill in with us and, uh, Jason is, uh, one of our head researchers, head researcher on all things, uh, foreign and all of the threats against the country.
00:17:13.900And he, uh, he came in yesterday, uh, and this is why I love him.
00:18:04.700Thomas, uh, Thomas Massey, you know, I would, I would say this about any of these guys who we like, who we like and, and, and are, you know, supposed to be standing for the constitution.
00:18:14.060This thing is loaded with really bad things.
00:18:17.800This looks like FDR's ghost rose out of the grave and was like, I want to, one more thing I wanted in the new deal.
00:18:25.820And so they voted for it and they did it.
00:18:27.920Um, that's how bad this thing looks expanded welfare, um, Obama era, like food stamp policies.
00:18:34.940They like not, they just basically gave it a shining ringing endorsement.
00:18:38.380Um, you don't, work requirements, a lot of things like that, that the GOP, again, told us they were going to put in, uh, into some of these measures.
00:18:46.560They completely caved on, just said, ah, screw it.
00:18:49.120And just let them do it as, as such price controls.
00:19:25.380I mean, this is absolutely like, you know, Stalin Lenin era, um, you know, like farm practices, like, like countries that have done things like this.
00:20:12.560Thomas Massey, uh, was the guy who drew my attention to that.
00:20:15.500And basically it's a, it's a little clause that they popped into the last second that says, um, currently we are aiding, uh, Saudi Arabia in their war, uh, with Yemen.
00:20:28.240Um, and with, you know, as far as the war powers act goes, it does not seem like that would be legal.
00:20:35.700Um, uh, we have, I believe 90 days, um, before we're supposed to answer to Congress.
00:20:41.580We shouldn't be fighting a war that no one knows about.
00:21:20.860But in this one, they put in a, basically a way to make it so the war powers act would not apply, uh, and could not be influenced.
00:21:29.640Because right now, uh, Mike Lee and, uh, Bernie Sanders working together have come to put up a bill that says, hey, we, we can't just do this.
00:21:38.500We can't just, we have to vote on the war powers act.
00:44:27.420The stigma against my conservative politics is worse than the stigma of being gay.
00:44:43.040Everything I was told to fear about being openly gay has become a reality in being openly conservative.
00:44:50.300Chad Felix Green wrote this story in The Federalist, and we have him now to talk not only about the article, but also the backlash on the article.
00:45:06.980Tell me, you know, when you came out, what you faced, what you feared when you came out.
00:45:11.400Well, I came out in 1998, shortly after Ellen did, and I was the first openly gay student in my high school, and it was a huge, dramatic issue, and everything that I had access to at that time was gay media that told me that I was going to be rejected by my family, my friends.
00:45:29.940I was in physical danger, and I was terrified every day about the impending doom that was going to happen to me.
00:45:38.720And over the years, I really only experienced people being accepting and loving and careful and sort of fragile around me for most of my experience.
00:45:51.860And I was very liberal in college, and then, honestly, listening to – I started to explore you and Ann Coulter, and I realized that the foundation of my views leaned more towards libertarianism than progressivism.
00:46:08.720And I just sort of became a conservative by the sheer force of – I had no other choice because I couldn't promote or accept progressive ideas.
00:46:21.720Yeah, and you can't change what you believe.
00:47:32.880Before you start there, you were a liberal when you came out.
00:47:36.820And so you didn't have any of the conservative hate on you because you were, you know, trying to destroy our society because you're a liberal and all of that stuff.
00:47:48.500Or, you know, none of the conservative hate that, you know, you're going to burn in the fires of hell and you should be destroyed.
00:47:56.080I certainly perceived it from watching – from reading LGBT media.
00:48:04.580And that's the reason why I started to explore conservative media because I really wanted to – I wanted to read your books.
00:48:10.880I wanted to read Ann Coulter books, Sean Handy, everybody, and debunk everything.
00:48:14.380I wanted to prove that the right was hateful and wrong.
00:48:18.920But the truth is, is that nobody treated me – I experienced people who disagreed with me.
00:48:31.180I experienced people who were ignorant, that didn't really understand.
00:48:34.400I've never interpreted religious disagreement as hatred because I've always seen it coming from a place of genuine concern and empathy.
00:48:44.400But you also don't deny that there are those people who are out there and, you know, I mean, the Westboro Baptist Church.
00:48:53.940There are a lot of people who have been gay throughout, you know, the human experience that have been, you know, deeply affected and hurt and persecuted because of their homosexuality.
00:49:09.640And, of course, in the world right now, outside of the United States, it is a very real danger to be a gay person or perceived to be a gay person.
00:49:19.820So what have you experienced now as a conservative?
00:49:26.380Well, the truth is, is that since I've been active online, as a conservative, I spend most of my time trying to explain to people that I don't believe or embrace what they think I do.
00:49:39.780And in doing so, attempting to prevent them from trying to harm me in some way.
00:49:44.460I have, of course, been physically threatened, as all conservatives on YNR.
00:49:50.280I've had to make sure that my personal life is very protected because people do actively try to get you fired.
00:49:56.480They will try to send police officers to your house.
00:50:00.200They will harass your friends and family.
00:50:02.060Early on, when my Facebook was opened, my friends and family received harassment from people based on things that I said.
00:50:11.440No one ever did that to me as a gay person.
00:50:13.680I never experienced people saying, finding out that I was gay and then treating me badly.
00:50:20.560The moment that people associate me with being a conservative, I'm instantly a Nazi, not Jewish.
00:50:27.060I'm instantly a racist and a bigot, and I'm deserving of genuine hatred.
00:50:32.880And that's a startling experience to interact with people and realize that they genuinely hate you based on something that they genuinely don't understand about you.
00:50:43.460So I want to stop here for a second, Chad, and then I want to come back and I want you to take us through some of the things like stop flaunting your conservatism and some of the responses that you have had.
00:50:53.900Because I read the article and then I read I think I read the the storm after it.
00:50:59.500And I was shocked by some of the things that I I read and they just don't seem to get it.
00:51:06.960And I want to go there when we come back one minute away.
00:51:17.060The support and comfort of the X chair made a huge difference in the comfort while doing this show for the three hours that we do it every day.
00:51:25.900I mean, we are we are busting we're busting our butts to bring you a high quality show at least, you know, once a week.
00:53:23.000He wrote the article in the Federalist.
00:53:25.720The stigma against my conservative politics is worse than the stigma of being gay.
00:53:29.400Tell me about stop flaunting your conservatism.
00:53:35.120So one thing that people say constantly and you when you saw a lot of this when when someone asked is being conservative worse than being gay was no being conservative means you're a bad person.
00:53:48.860And I'm often told, well, if you don't want to experience hatred, stop being a bigot or stop stop harassing people who you hate from their perception.
00:54:02.780And I always sort of associated that with if I just stopped talking about conservative issues, if I just stopped correcting lies and inaccuracies that I see in media, if I just stopped talking back to the left, they would leave me alone.
00:54:18.800And that's exactly the advice that I got when I was younger and I would tell people I was gay and I feared negative backlash.
00:54:29.160People say, well, why do you have to tell everybody?
00:54:44.900And there isn't a an appreciation of what we actually do.
00:54:49.800They just assume that we're sort of complaining about the hatred that we're inviting on ourselves.
00:54:54.120And they don't really understand that we are fighting for something that we actually believe in and that the hatred that we're getting for it is based on fighting.
00:55:07.040But they'll say that, you know, you're gay.
00:55:20.540It's that's I think that's a huge concept here is people saying we can stop being conservative or they assume that I'm conservative because I am self-hating or because I'm ignorant in some way or because I haven't been exposed to the right type of people that I will get better and become progressive.
00:55:41.540And the reason that I used that analogy that I didn't choose to be conservative is based on my personal experience of I fought it every step of the way.
00:55:57.500I love that because you are intellectually honest.
00:56:02.440And the biggest problem that we have in America is it's a lot of people will not explore because they'll start to.
00:56:11.940And if they start to see that maybe their side is weak and I mean on both sides, any side, they start to see that they're maybe they're not right.
00:56:19.060They'll stop because they instinctively know if I find out that this is true, then I've got to change everything and my life is going to be much different.
00:58:49.260And so, it's become a running joke that I will simply respond by saying gay Jew.
00:58:57.780Because people just, they make the, they come in with the assumption,
00:59:02.200the only people who are bad fall into this category.
00:59:06.220And the only people who think like this are bad, therefore, you must be one of those people.
00:59:09.840And I constantly, you know, we talk about identity politics as a negative thing.
00:59:13.880I actually use my privilege as somebody who is a minority to sort of force many on the left to realize that they are closed-minded on this,
00:59:25.460that this isn't a worldview that is exclusive to ignorance or that's exclusive to any particular race or religion or anything,
00:59:34.280that this is, you know, me being gay and Jewish does not impact my views on, you know, tax policy.
00:59:40.440And that they have to address their own prejudices and realize that they simply disagree with what's,
00:59:52.020the reality is they disagree with what I'm promoting, but it has nothing to do with who I am.
00:59:57.480And that's what I'm trying to get across when I do that.
00:59:59.660You also said lumping Milo in with typical conservatives.