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00:01:25.420 Hello, America from Midtown Manhattan this week in the blaze studios. Welcome to the Glenn Beck

00:01:33.520 program. We're going to talk a little bit about what's happening politically. Why is Jeffrey Epstein

00:01:41.280 in so much trouble and he's in big trouble? Who's going to be pulled down with him? What is this

00:01:48.400 all about? Is it if you're listening to or reading the New York Times, you would you would believe this

00:01:57.020 is about Trump. But is it possible that this is about the Clintons and Trump's payback? Interesting

00:02:08.280 theory. Don't know if it's correct. We'll tell you all about it in one minute. This is the Glenn Beck

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00:04:31.780 So years ago, a couple of friends of mine here in New York started something called a conspiracy

00:04:55.780 dinner. And it was only called a conspiracy dinner because at the time we were all called

00:05:00.520 conspirators and conspiracy theorists, even though it looks like almost everything we

00:05:07.900 said has come true now. So it's not really a conspiracy. In fact, we had videotape of it.

00:05:13.040 But anyway, that's a different story. So last night, now it's kind of a joke that it's called

00:05:18.640 a conspiracy dinner. And it's super smart people that want to get together and just talk frankly

00:05:29.020 about the world. And it was fascinating to me last night because there were two people at the table

00:05:42.260 that were former liberals that are no longer liberals. A lot of libertarians. And I would say

00:05:51.460 most of them, in fact, I think the libertarians would consider themselves now conservatives because

00:05:59.700 they're so tired of libertarians, you know, just being, just being worthless on being able to win.

00:06:09.420 They're just not willing to win, I think. Anyway, we were talking last night and

00:06:15.260 the Republicans better wake up because the Republicans, there was no love at this table at

00:06:26.120 all for the Democrats, for sure. A lot of love at that table for Donald Trump and zero love for the

00:06:36.140 Republicans. The Republicans are seen as useless, totally and completely useless.

00:06:45.260 And at some point, that thing is going to catch up to them. Because what are they really

00:06:51.320 honestly, what are they good for? I don't know anybody who's even talking about Republicans

00:06:55.960 anymore. I don't know anybody who's really talking about Congress and excited about this

00:07:00.980 congressman or that congressman or we got to get the congressman. They all feel that we have done

00:07:07.880 so much in the last 15 years and all of it for relatively no payback. We didn't really get any

00:07:18.700 payback on that. We didn't, we didn't get anything for our, for our hard earned effort of getting these

00:07:25.220 guys in. Most of them just kind of flip or wishy washy or have no power. So what's going to happen to

00:07:33.940 the Democratic Party? Well, I think you could say what's going to happen to both parties and the

00:07:41.800 Jeffrey Epstein scandal, I think, I think is really interesting and important. Here's a guy that in

00:07:53.620 2002 had enough political clout to be able to have this thing swept under the rug. Now, if you're,

00:08:00.400 if you're paying attention to this story, you will think that there is a possibility that this is all

00:08:06.860 about Donald Trump. And I think there is that possibility. I think the media thinks that I think

00:08:14.160 they're hoping that they can just make this about Donald Trump and his secretary of labor, who was

00:08:20.000 actually the prosecuting attorney down in Florida back in the early 2000s, that kind of made a sweetheart

00:08:26.180 deal, unlike any other sweetheart deal I've ever seen. It was an absolute miscarriage of justice.

00:08:32.700 And so I think they're trying to make it about him. But when Nancy Pelosi's daughter comes out and

00:08:40.120 tweets, and I want to get this exactly right, quite likely some of our faves will be implicated in this

00:08:47.760 case. When Nancy Pelosi's daughter is signaling, hey, Democrats better wake up.

00:08:56.180 Yeah, because some of our favorite people may be implicated. Yeah. Yeah, it looks like they

00:09:02.740 might be. And this I don't know how this guy survives. Yesterday, he was in court and he was

00:09:11.600 trying to strike a plea bargain. And they're negotiating very, very tough with him. They're trying

00:09:19.400 to get him to flip evidence on the people that he who were the people that he was servicing with

00:09:31.560 underage girls. I'm not sure what's going to happen. But if you're Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton came

00:09:37.860 out yesterday. Let me let me give you the exact quote from Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton said yesterday,

00:09:47.140 quote, this is from his office, President Clinton knows nothing about the terrible crimes Jeffrey

00:09:55.180 Epstein pleaded guilty to in Florida some years ago, or those of which he has been recently charged

00:10:01.540 in New York in 2002 and 2003. President Clinton took a total of four trips on Epstein's plane,

00:10:09.260 one to Europe, one to Asia, two to Africa, which included stops in connection with the work of

00:10:15.160 the Clinton Foundation. Staff supporters of the foundation and his Secret Service detail traveled

00:10:22.840 on every leg of the trip. Now, this is Clinton's office saying this.

00:10:26.960 He had one meeting with Epstein in his Harlem office in 2002. Around the same time, he made a brief

00:10:33.940 visit to Epstein's New York apartment with a staff member and his security detail. He has not spoken

00:10:40.820 to Epstein in over a decade and has never been to Little St. James Island, Epstein's ranch in New

00:10:48.740 Mexico or his residence in Florida. Okay, so the statement that's going to cause him problem

00:10:55.000 is staff supporters of the foundation and Secret Service detail went along on every leg of those

00:11:03.980 trips. The problem is, is that Clinton went on at least 26 trips on the plane that was dubbed the

00:11:13.040 Lolita Express. Now, when you've got a plane and it's called the Lolita Express, I think this is an open

00:11:21.680 secret, don't you? I think when that's the nickname of the plane. Between 2003, he said between 2001

00:11:32.240 and 2003, I just went on a few of these trips. Well, 26, according to the FAA logs, the listed

00:11:41.220 destination of those trips were the Azores, Singapore, Brunei, Norway, Russia, among others. On at least

00:11:50.600 five of those excursions, remember, when you get on a plane, there's a record of it because of your

00:11:57.900 ticket. When you're on a private plane, you have to have a manifest. You have to know the names and

00:12:04.980 see the IDs of every single person on board, and it's logged with the FAA. You can't just bring a

00:12:13.840 friend on the plane. It's against the law. You have to have them on the manifest. So he said that,

00:12:22.280 you know, my Secret Service will be every time. But on five of those flights, the flight logs denote

00:12:28.780 that Clinton was not accompanied by any Secret Service personnel. Former president did occasionally

00:12:35.660 travel in the company of the woman Maxwell. This is the New York socialite, the one who looks like

00:12:41.980 she's the pimp. And also Epstein's former assistant, both women previously investigated

00:12:49.400 by the FBI, Florida law enforcement over concerns they help recruit the underage victims. Clinton

00:12:56.080 claimed he had one meeting in his Harlem office in 2002. Around the same time, he made a brief visit

00:13:02.400 to the New York apartment with a staff member and security detail. The former president stated he had

00:13:07.840 not spoken in well over a decade, never been in many of the locations. Okay, the problem is he didn't

00:13:16.040 travel with his security detail on five of the 26 flights that he took with Epstein. Why did he dismiss

00:13:28.340 the security detail? Why didn't they go with him? Could be perfectly innocent. But when you have a guy

00:13:36.140 like Clinton traveling 26 times with a guy like Epstein, you kind of wonder, I wonder. Now, they're using

00:13:47.200 this to go after Donald Trump with a line that he gave to, I'm trying to remember where it was.

00:13:57.500 Let's see if it says it here. It doesn't. Yeah, here it is. In New York Magazine, they did a profile

00:14:03.340 in 2002 of Epstein. And this is what this is what Donald Trump said. I've known Jeff for 15 years. He's a

00:14:12.280 terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It's even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do.

00:14:18.400 And many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it. Jeffrey enjoys his social life. Well, I mean,

00:14:26.080 that's pretty clear. I mean, he's got a plane called the Lolita Express. And Donald Trump is like,

00:14:33.640 hey, I just want you to know he likes them young. That's a problem. But is it a problem for the

00:14:42.120 president? Did he get involved at all? Well, I will tell you this. Mar-a-Lago, according to a court

00:14:51.840 filing, Mar-a-Lago dumped Epstein from its roster of members because he approached an underage girl

00:15:02.240 there. She filed a protest and Trump immediately had him removed from the members list. That's a really

00:15:12.460 good point in his favor, is it not? Now, here's what this all boils down to. An affidavit in New

00:15:25.120 York. Her name is Sarah Ransom. And she says, I'm currently over the age of 18. I reside in the

00:15:33.020 country of Spain. In 2006, I was 22 years old. I was living in New York. And I was introduced to

00:15:40.940 Jeffrey Epstein by a girl that I had met. Shortly after meeting Jeffrey, he invited me to fly on his

00:15:47.200 private island to the U.S. Virgin Islands, which I did. After that first trip, I traveled to the

00:15:52.680 island several more times, usually on one of his private planes, always at his direction. I'm told

00:15:59.200 that my name appears on the flight logs of one or more of those trips. On a few occasions, Jeffrey

00:16:05.100 also arranged to have me flown to the island on commercial flights. As it turns out, the primary

00:16:10.720 purpose of those visits was to have me have sexual relations with Jeffrey, Nadia Mikova, and various

00:16:22.620 other girls and guests he brought to the island. During one of my visits, I met Maxwell. This is the

00:16:30.180 woman who is currently the madam. Watching her interact with other girls, it became clear to me

00:16:40.280 she recruited all or many of them to the island. Once they were there, she appeared to be in charge

00:16:46.540 of their activities, including what they did, who they did it with, and how they were supposed to

00:16:51.320 stay in line. She assumed the same supervisory role with me as soon as I arrived. Some of the girls

00:16:57.740 appeared to be 18 or older, but many appeared to be young teenagers. I recalled seeing a particularly

00:17:03.820 young, thin girl who looked well under 18, and I recall asking her age. I later learned she was a

00:17:11.900 ballerina, but she refused to tell me her age or let me see her passport. This is where it gets

00:17:18.080 interesting, and we'll pick it up there in one minute.

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00:19:02.100 In addition to spending time with Jeffrey on his island, I spent time with him in New York City

00:19:12.320 at his townhouse. I was also, listen to this, I was also lent out by him to his friends and

00:19:20.120 associates to have sex. Among the people he lent me to was his friend, Alan Dershowitz. On one occasion,

00:19:28.140 I was in a bedroom at Jeffrey's New York townhouse with Jeffrey and Nadia Makanova. After a short time,

00:19:37.200 Alan Dershowitz entered the room, after which Jeffrey left the room and Nadia and I had sex with

00:19:43.660 Dershowitz. I recall specific key details of his person and the sex acts and can describe them in

00:19:52.180 an event. It becomes necessary to do so. I affirm under the penalty of perjury that the foregoing

00:19:58.260 is true and correct.

00:20:02.480 Wow, that's going to hurt Alan Dershowitz. Now, Alan Dershowitz says that I can prove that I was

00:20:10.100 never there. I don't know how you prove something didn't happen, but he says he can prove that this

00:20:16.500 is a lie. Although, you know what this makes me think of was, isn't there a, I'll have to ask my

00:20:29.700 Scottish friend, but I believe there's a dish from England that is called Spotted Dick. And I think

00:20:40.180 that is an actual food item. Don't know why I'm bringing that up because what I'm really thinking

00:20:44.520 about is Michael Jackson. You remember what happened with Michael Jackson? I'm just saying.

00:20:53.460 They photographed him, right? They photographed me. They photographed my penis. They photographed it

00:21:01.800 and they drew lines around it and they swatted it around and I didn't like it. What kind of freak

00:21:11.020 could do that? What kind of freak? I don't know. It was horrifying. It was horrifying.

00:21:15.920 They made me pull my pants down and they took pictures. That may be with Alan Dershowitz, which

00:21:19.200 yeah, that'd be bad. Thank you. That's bad. Yeah, it would be very bad. Now, what they found,

00:21:25.640 what they released Monday is that they went into Epstein's house and they found at least hundreds,

00:21:33.060 I'm quoting the FBI, at least hundreds and perhaps thousands of sexually suggestive photographs

00:21:39.160 of fully or partially nude females that appear to be under age. They were in a locked safe.

00:21:48.300 He's a sex offender. He's not supposed to have any of these.

00:21:51.460 So he is now saying he will turn evidence. A rumor is that he will turn evidence if they just kind of

00:22:04.180 they let him go. I won't do any more than a year in jail and I'll tell you all of the names involved.

00:22:13.460 How's this going to work out? This this seems like then this seem like a mob movie where that guy is the guy

00:22:22.120 who gets the shiv in the eye someplace towards the end of the movie, especially when you're dealing

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00:25:06.980 Okay, so here's an interesting theory that I read yesterday that I want to share with you.

00:25:11.920 And I don't know if this is accurate, and I'd love to hear your opinion on this, Pat.

00:25:19.740 So Mueller is deep into this Jeffrey Epstein. Is it Epstein or Epstein? I've heard both,

00:25:32.880 but they both zoomed. Yeah. Okay. I think it's Epstein. Do you remember when at the very beginning

00:25:43.160 it was lock her up, lock her up with Donald Trump? And then he, when he got in, he said,

00:25:48.700 you know what? She's been through enough. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna lock her up. Okay.

00:25:54.760 So he's, he's going to play ball with the way the government does things. And, and I think that

00:26:04.400 was his olive branch. I'm not gonna lock you up. We're just gonna move on. However, because they

00:26:10.720 didn't move on because they, they thought that this, cause remember what, what was it that Hillary

00:26:18.260 released? What was the salacious detail in the, in the report that came out that, that we know now

00:26:26.000 that Hillary was responsible for? Uh, trying to think, uh, sex. Oh yeah. That's yeah. Towers. Right.

00:26:37.200 The thing in Moscow. Yes. Okay. So that was the salacious, completely bogus. We know now that this

00:26:45.740 was a democratic thing. It, uh, was used by people in the DOJ. We know that this was, and I hate this

00:26:54.320 word because I think people misunderstand it and misuse it, but it was deep state. Okay. We know

00:27:00.080 that this is a tangled web of people in the DOJ and elsewhere that had their own political agenda and

00:27:08.680 would stop at nothing. So when, when Trump goes through all of this, uh, the theory is, is that

00:27:19.540 he's had enough and Mueller was, uh, involved in the actual plea bargain of Epstein. And he helped

00:27:31.060 do that deal with Epstein. So the theory is, is that Trump is actually kind of behind this, pushing

00:27:39.760 this a little bit, um, because he's going to get his revenge on Mueller and he's going to get his

00:27:48.300 revenge on Hillary Clinton because the thing Hillary Clinton's Achilles heel is Bill Clinton. Um, you

00:27:56.620 expose Bill Clinton for the creep that he is. And I think that it's, it's over. It's finally time for

00:28:04.460 that to be over. That love affair is done. So because Mueller helped Epstein mostly get off the hook last

00:28:13.340 time, according to court documents, now you have a, uh, a justice department led by somebody, at least at

00:28:22.940 this point loyal to Trump. And what matters is that Epstein's no longer able to hide behind the Clinton

00:28:32.920 bag men and cut a, uh, and cut a deal because now the administration has changed and Trump would like

00:28:41.260 to, um, have some payback. I, I don't know if that's true, but I sure hope it is because that means that

00:28:51.500 Trump knows he's completely clean in this thing and you can't, there, there's no way they can take

00:28:57.100 him down with it, but he can, he can get to them with it. That would be a really, that would be a

00:29:04.300 really good outcome. I think if you can, I think it would be too. Yeah. If you can just, if you could

00:29:09.920 expose Bill Clinton's dirt baggedness, uh, along with more of Jeffrey Epstein Epstein's, who's been a

00:29:20.700 long time democratic donor and they've been completely unscathed by this scandal, uh, and,

00:29:28.480 and Trump has, has no dirt on him, that'd be great. Yeah. I, I will tell you that I don't think that,

00:29:37.680 um, uh, I don't think that it's just Hillary Clinton. I think it's, I think it's people in

00:29:43.780 the DOJ. I think it is people in the democratic party. Remember this guy is a very big donor for

00:29:49.900 the democratic party. This is, this is Harvey Weinstein and they all knew about it. You don't

00:29:54.280 name his, his plane, the Lolita express and not know how, how are they going to claim innocence?

00:30:02.620 And they didn't know. They all knew what he was like and they all just went for the cash anyway.

00:30:10.180 And all the dirt bags rallied around him and everybody, everybody thought they were protected.

00:30:16.600 I mean, if Prince Andrew is involved in this, this scandal is gigantic, gigantic. And I don't see how

00:30:25.160 this guy lives. I don't see how this is fairly prosecuted. It seems to me, this will be one of

00:30:32.460 those things where you're prosecuted. If you are on the outs, the people who are sweating are the

00:30:38.880 ones who are not in the inside core because I don't, I just don't think they'll ever get to the

00:30:45.340 inside core, but I think Bill Clinton is on the outs. I mean, yeah, they don't care what happens to

00:30:51.440 him anymore. They don't care, you know, and it's, and it's beyond, they don't care about him.

00:30:56.700 They do care about what happens to Hillary and they don't like Hillary. Right. And so now it's,

00:31:03.000 it's a combination of, you know, if it was just Bill, I think they would leave him alone, but

00:31:08.460 because Hillary is out there yapping all the time and they really despise Hillary. I think part of the

00:31:15.700 payback is to go after him. It's hard to imagine this though, because, you know, just a few short

00:31:24.400 years ago, she was the chosen one and the Clinton machine couldn't be messed with. There was nobody

00:31:30.780 who could take on the Clintons and, and survive, you know, politically. Or if you're to look at the

00:31:37.460 death list, even literally survive. You can't help it. You can't help it. I have to mention

00:31:46.460 the death list. You're just like, you're just like, Oh, I want them to believe. I want them to

00:31:51.680 believe. I love to poke up with that. Cause it's, it's fun. It's just good, good, clean fun. Well,

00:31:57.360 everybody that has ever known them has died or even met them or had a picture in the, in the

00:32:03.360 Oval Office. They're all dead. You know, they killed them all. The Clintons have a real knack

00:32:07.000 for plane crashes. A lot of them have died in plane crashes. They're really good at it.

00:32:11.800 Are you really going to go here? Tell me about the plane crashes, Pat, because I know there's

00:32:17.840 a lot of, well, Ron Brown, there's a lot of people. I mean, Ron Brown, that's just one. I'd have to go

00:32:24.740 back and look at the list because it's, it's, it's extensive, but Ron Brown springs immediately to

00:32:31.000 mind. Right. Well, Ron Brown, if you remember right, he was really having some problems with

00:32:35.460 the Clintons and the Democrats and right. And you know, a lot of people are like, what was he

00:32:40.700 thinking when he got on that plane? And I can't tell you what he was thinking, but I think I know

00:32:45.420 what went through his head there at the end, which was a bullet bullet. So, right. And then they

00:32:50.440 covered that up with a plane crash and that's all proven because he was laughing as he was coming

00:32:56.540 out of the funeral. Remember? Yeah. Or the burial. And then all of a sudden he saw, he

00:33:01.340 saw the journalist and then he was immediately crying. Yeah. So, you know, he killed him.

00:33:05.040 Yep. So. Oh, you know. One could only hope. Yeah. The grand jury is this, is this thorough

00:33:14.620 here in New York. I'll look at him. You know, he raped her. You know, he did it. And so did

00:33:22.660 Bill Clinton and pretty much everybody involved in the Democratic Party. You just know what

00:33:28.240 happened. Yeah. You know it. Look, they were laughing at one point. I have a picture of

00:33:32.560 them laughing. And then they stopped immediately. That can't happen unless you're totally guilty.

00:33:37.100 No. No, not at all. There's a couple of other things that I want to get into today. Did

00:33:42.640 you see the, did you see the girl that was licking the ice cream? Yeah. The blue bill.

00:33:48.120 And then, yeah. Put it back in the, in the, it's just the. What'd you think of that?

00:33:54.360 You know, it's disgusting. And, and it creates another weird thing that we're going to have

00:33:59.880 to worry about has somebody licked my ice cream. It got so bad that in some parts of Texas,

00:34:05.320 they've actually got people guarding. They've locked down the ice cream and you have to go

00:34:10.640 seek out one of the employees to unlock the ice cream so you can buy, you know, half a gallon

00:34:15.980 of ice cream. Am I the only one that, am I the only one that has to take that plastic

00:34:19.960 wrap around the, the, the lid off? Do they have that on blue bell? Because I think that,

00:34:27.100 that was, wasn't that one of the things that they were yelling about is why don't you have

00:34:30.340 one of those plastic wrappers around the top? I'm trying to think if, if you have to.

00:34:36.160 I don't know. I usually am not the one that opens the blue bell. Right. I'm just the one

00:34:39.860 that finishes the one. Yeah. Almost. I'm the one who finishes. I never open it, but I know

00:34:45.520 if it had something to do with that empty container going into the garbage can after

00:34:51.060 it's been almost licked clean, I can answer that. So there was a guy, did you see the guy

00:34:58.060 with a scope mouthwash? Did the same thing? No. What? He gargled it and spit it back into

00:35:04.840 the jar. Oh yeah. And he was just so obnoxious. Now here's the thing. One of them, uh, one

00:35:13.200 of them actually has the, uh, has the, um, the receipt for the ice cream and they have

00:35:22.820 her on tape going back. She licked it, put it away and then walked off camera. Then they

00:35:29.760 have her on the store camera going back in getting that ice cream and taking it up front

00:35:36.500 and buying it and taking it out of the store, which, you know, is nice to think that they

00:35:45.820 nice to think that they did, but this girl, right. The, uh, we don't know this suspect

00:35:52.760 that has been arrested, but she faces 20 years in prison, which for the licking

00:35:59.380 that's a little, I think a little severe you think, I think maybe a fine, you know, a public

00:36:10.040 health safety issue, fine of some sort, a hundred dollars or whatever. $10,000, $10,000, um, uh,

00:36:19.180 are on the table for committing second degree felony of tampering with a consumer product.

00:36:24.820 Wow. Now this is the Texas code. So I don't know what you get. I mean, you're lucky. You're

00:36:29.000 not hung in Texas. You screw with blue bell ice cream. That's true. I think they can hang

00:36:33.640 you in Texas. Uh, but, uh, uh, 20 years in prison and I'll bet you, uh, Pat, that this

00:36:40.280 is comes from the Tylenol scare. Do you remember that? Yes. Yeah. And I was trying to remember

00:36:46.880 the other day, the Tylenol scare happened because, well, it was real in one case. I think

00:36:52.400 somebody opened up a Tylenol and I don't know, laced it with cyanide or something. Do you remember

00:36:58.500 what, what was that? Something like that. It was, it was definitely tempered with. Right.

00:37:04.260 And Tylenol, most people don't know this. Tylenol should be out of business. Uh, this is the

00:37:10.960 most remarkable recovery of any consumer product I have ever seen. It was marked as

00:37:17.940 poisonous. They said, throw all your Tylenol away. So everybody got rid of their Tylenol

00:37:24.200 because it was poison. Remember we've all been X-raying our candy for things that never

00:37:30.560 happened on Halloween. This actually happened. They had to get rid of all of it, but it is

00:37:36.080 because of Tylenol that we have the tamper proof that we have the seal, uh, on the outside

00:37:42.380 that we have the foil seal on the inside. Still no explanation for the cotton. Uh, but, uh,

00:37:50.560 that's why we have that. And I'll bet you she gets 20 years or she's charged with something

00:37:56.180 that could end up with 20 years because of the Tylenol issue. All right. Back in just a

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00:40:17.200 everything you saw in the movie Chernobyl, almost all of it is bogus. He's like,

00:40:24.400 it was not that bad. This is an anti-nuclear energy screed. Really? And he's got, yeah,

00:40:33.120 he's got the evidence. Now, look, he is a green guy. Okay. He shouldn't be agreeing with, with,

00:40:40.340 you know, people like me. So he has no agenda other than, hey, this is wrong. This is absolutely

00:40:47.980 wrong. Um, and he is a, uh, uh, because he's a green guy and an honest one, he says nuclear energy

00:40:55.900 is the way to go. And he says Chernobyl actually proves how safe it is. A very different look at

00:41:04.580 what happened at Chernobyl. And he's got the facts. Uh, so we, we, we've been waiting for him to come

00:41:11.260 on. He comes on, uh, today in about an hour from now. Also, Dave, I say is going to be joining us. And

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00:43:04.260 enlightenment. This is the Glenn Beck program. Well, welcome. Welcome to it today. I want to tell

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00:43:22.500 um, Vladimir Putin returning, uh, to his office for emergency meetings. And we haven't heard much

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00:44:15.120 problems. We do that in one minute. This is the Glenn Beck program.

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00:46:17.620 Dave Isay is a friend of ours. He's the founder and president of StoryCorps. StoryCorps, if you

00:46:40.400 listen to NPR, you are very well aware of. It's something that has been running for a very long

00:46:45.540 time. It's one of the things I just love listening to. Dave came into my office, I don't know,

00:46:51.840 about a year ago. Less than that, I think.

00:46:53.780 Less than that, and said, we're going to do something new, one small step, and try to bring

00:47:01.840 people together and have them find their way back to each other and just staying away from politics.

00:47:11.400 Yeah. I mean, I think what one small step is about is this. I mean, when I stepped in,

00:47:16.680 is this a new studio?

00:47:18.380 No, these are new studios for the Blaze here, yeah.

00:47:21.400 So, you know, we were talking about how bananas the country's going, right? And it's about a culture

00:47:25.860 of contempt, and it's taking the, you know, it's taking the temperature down on this culture of this

00:47:30.600 incredibly dangerous culture of contempt that we have in the country now. I was thinking as I walked

00:47:36.880 in, I was at one of the big social media companies last week, and I was saying that, you know, when we

00:47:44.280 call each other, you know, morons or racists or Nazis, like, you can't bully someone into changing

00:47:51.120 their mind, right? When you call someone a name, it doesn't change them, it actually hardens their

00:47:55.420 beliefs, right? And brings them, makes them more extreme. And I said to this person at this

00:48:00.620 social media company, we've created a way for billions of times a day, 24 hours a day, we're telling each

00:48:07.100 other we're morons, right? And it's just dividing us in these ways that are, you know, an existential threat.

00:48:13.680 It's so funny, Dave, because I don't think people are like that in real life.

00:48:19.300 When I travel America, that's not the way they are. They're still living neighbor to neighbor.

00:48:24.520 But we go inside our house, and all of a sudden, we become an animal online.

00:48:30.180 Yeah, yeah. And I think, I mean, what you saw when I, I mean, you've been thinking about this,

00:48:35.280 obviously, and when I came in, I mean, it was incredibly generous of you to invite me in,

00:48:40.880 but you said, like, I totally get it. And, you know, and it's just, in the last year,

00:48:47.160 it's just gotten, it's just gotten worse, you know, and, and we have to, it's enough already,

00:48:52.100 you know, we've got to figure this thing out, or, you know, our, the, the very fabric of our

00:48:57.000 democracy is, is it, is it risk? I think.

00:49:00.020 It's, I agree with you. I think that there is a,

00:49:03.580 you're not, again, we're all involved in it, but there are catalysts on both sides

00:49:12.500 that are really interested in keeping us divided. You know, we have a political system

00:49:17.620 that learned long ago, the more I divide, the stronger I get. And, and until we solve that,

00:49:26.920 I don't know how, or until we just reject that, until we say, I'm just not going to play that game

00:49:31.240 anymore. Yeah. And I think more and more people are doing that. Yeah. Well, I, I, I hope so. And,

00:49:36.080 and, and, you know, it's really, it's a little, it's tilting at windmills to some extent, you know,

00:49:40.480 and, and the, I mean, there is definitely a, you know, there's a fear industrial complex.

00:49:45.980 And, you know, the, the, the truth is, as, as you well know, like the only truth is love,

00:49:51.660 right? Full stop. That's it. You know, and that's getting buried. We have to just start telling the

00:49:56.760 truth. It's, it's weird because, you know, you say there's a truth. What did you call it? A fear

00:50:02.960 industrial complex, a hate industrial complex. Okay. But, you know, that's it, right? That's

00:50:07.220 what you're talking about with politics, right? But it is, but it is strange because there are

00:50:11.220 things to be concerned about. So it's, it's this weird thing that, you know, you say there's a fear

00:50:18.280 industrial complex, which I absolutely agree with. But because of that, there are real problems that

00:50:25.820 are enormous. Absolutely. You know, we, we are, you, you started with, you know, we, we could lose the

00:50:32.540 Republic. Yeah. We absolutely could. And I think we're really close to that if we don't turn

00:50:37.460 around soon. Yeah. But that's not fear mongering. That's telling the truth. Yeah. It's because of

00:50:44.220 the lot, a lot of the fear mongering, or I read something from somebody right after the election

00:50:50.160 of Donald Trump, and it was from a democratic operative. And he said, you know, in some ways

00:50:57.260 we have to blame ourselves because we took men like Mitt Romney and said he was the antichrist.

00:51:02.540 That's right. And, and when I say, I mean, obviously there are, of course there are things

00:51:06.480 to be afraid of, but the fear industrial complex is about making us hate each other. Yeah. And that's

00:51:11.260 not the answer. Right. Right. That's never the answer. You know, we have to, you know, the, the,

00:51:15.560 the story core, which, which you, you mentioned earlier, which I run, which is this project that just

00:51:20.760 brings people together to talk to each other, have these conversations that go to the library of

00:51:24.480 Congress. It's built on the idea that, you know, none of us are the worst thing that we've ever

00:51:28.840 done, you know, assume the best intentions and other. And if, if you have these kinds of golden

00:51:33.420 rules undergirding that the country can move ahead. And if not, we just, we, we, you know, it's,

00:51:38.900 it's, this is, you, you look at the last week, the last two weeks, some of the things that happened.

00:51:42.840 It's like, it's like Vladimir Putin's like dream. Oh, it is. It is. Absolutely. It's like,

00:51:48.240 like he couldn't imagine things going better, you know, for this country from his perspective.

00:51:54.020 But one of the things that story court does is, you know, as we get rid of the golden rule,

00:52:00.480 as we get rid of church or God or whatever it is, that is the, has been the governor on us,

00:52:07.580 you've replaced that with history. So when people enter the booth, they're not willing to say if I,

00:52:14.780 I think if people really understood your tweets will never go away. So your children and great

00:52:21.520 grandchildren, those are all being put in the national archives as well. Those things will

00:52:25.840 be able to be seen forever. When you go into a story core booth, you know, this is being recorded

00:52:33.160 for the national archives, right? And people are on their best behavior. It's that governor that we

00:52:38.700 seem to have lost. That's right. I mean, it's, it's the, you know, if we live in this world of

00:52:42.640 complete impermanence, everything, nothing matters, right? You write so that you don't think about it.

00:52:46.600 Um, but when you come into a story core booth, your great, great, great grandchildren are going

00:52:51.260 to listen to you. So you, you know, I, when I was at, at the social media company, I said, you know,

00:52:56.060 half a million people have participated in story core, which is nothing in social media numbers,

00:53:00.240 but nothing's ever got, like no one has ever behaved badly. And the person I was talking to

00:53:04.960 said that really like strains the boundaries of belief, but it's true, you know? And, and,

00:53:10.700 you know, I think we just have to, we have to remember who we are as people. And that truth that,

00:53:15.480 that, I mean, I know that, that, you know, that, you know, all of our lives, all of our stories

00:53:19.740 matter equally and infinitely, and that's all that matters. So tell me what you brought us today.

00:53:24.180 Um, so I have a couple of stories. Do we have, do we have time for two? We have, I think we might

00:53:27.900 have time for two. Yes. Okay. So, um, this, this first one is, uh, story core does do a lot of

00:53:34.000 history and, and, you know, this, um, past, uh, uh, a week ago was the anniversary and I have a

00:53:39.420 personal story associated with this. We can talk about, uh, my dad was, I found out when I was, um,

00:53:44.160 when I was in my twenties was gay. Um, and, uh, he, and I was, it took, totally took me by surprise.

00:53:51.000 And my, as my brother said, our nuclear family blew up. Um, and, uh, he ended up becoming like a,

00:53:57.920 he was a psychiatrist. He was an amazing, amazing guy. Um, and when he, um, told me about that he was

00:54:05.640 gay, he mentioned the Stonewall riots. Do you, do you know what, what that is? Okay. So 50 years ago,

00:54:10.700 um, last week, there was a riot at a bar in, um, in Greenwich village that led to the beginning of

00:54:16.780 the gay rights movement. Um, uh, that used to be illegal to have gay bars. Um, and he told me about

00:54:22.180 this and I went out and I interviewed the people who had been there 30 years ago. Um, and then my dad

00:54:26.980 actually ended up dying, uh, very quickly of cancer, um, on the anniversary of Stonewall a few years ago.

00:54:33.400 And this year is the 50th anniversary. So we did a bunch of stories about what it was like to be gay

00:54:38.100 before, uh, 1969. So this is one of those stories. It's a, it's a dairy farmer, the kid of a dairy

00:54:46.180 farmer in rural Washington in the 1950s, uh, who came to StoryCorps with his daughter, uh, to talk

00:54:51.860 about a school assembly he performed at when he was a teenager. Okay. Here it is. I'm riding to school

00:54:57.280 with my oldest brother and on the way to school, I'm putting glitter all over my face. And my brother

00:55:03.360 said, what in the hell are you doing? I said, I'm putting on my costume. He said, well, I wouldn't be

00:55:07.980 caught dead wearing that. So he dropped me off at the school and he called my dad up and he said,

00:55:15.020 dad, I think you better get up there. This is not going to look good. So my dad drove up to the high

00:55:21.940 school and he had his farmer jeans on and they had cow crap on them and he had his clodhopper boots on.

00:55:27.920 And when I saw him coming, I ducked around the hall and hid from him. And it wasn't because of what I

00:55:32.860 was wearing. It was because of what he was wearing. So the assembly goes well and I'm climbing the car

00:55:41.080 and I'm riding home with my father. And my father says to me, uh, I was walking down the hall this

00:55:46.940 morning and I saw a kid that looked a lot like you ducking around the hall to avoid his dad. But I

00:55:51.440 know it wasn't you because you would never do that to your dad. And I squirmed in my seat and I finally

00:55:57.540 busted out and I said, well, dad, did you have to wear your cow crap jeans to my assembly?

00:56:03.820 And he said, look, everybody knows I'm a dairy farmer. This is who I am. And he looked me square

00:56:09.880 in the eye. And then he said, now, how about you? When you're a full grown man, who are you going to

00:56:15.140 go out with at night? And I said, I don't know. And he said, I think you do know. And it's not going

00:56:21.780 to be that McLaughlin girl that's been making goo goo eyes at you, but you won't even pick up the damn

00:56:26.240 telephone. And I'm going to tell you something today. And you might not know what to think of

00:56:30.720 it now, but you're going to remember when you're an adult, don't sneak. Because if you sneak like

00:56:36.700 you did today, it means you think you're doing the wrong thing. And if you run around and spend

00:56:41.860 in your whole life thinking that you're doing the wrong thing, then you'll ruin your immortal soul.

00:56:47.400 And out of all the things a father in 1959 could have told his gay son, my father tells me to be proud

00:56:58.160 of myself and not sneak. My reaction at the time was to get out in the hayfield and pretend like I

00:57:05.240 was as much of a man as I could be. And I remember flipping 50 pound bales three feet up into the air

00:57:11.680 going, I'm not a queer. What's he talking about? But he knew where I was headed. And he, he knew

00:57:20.160 that making me feel bad about it in any way was the wrong thing to do. I had the patron saint of

00:57:27.920 dads for sissies. And no, I didn't know it at the time, but I know it now.

00:57:33.260 What a great story. Storycore.org. More in a second.

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00:59:01.600 It's a good story. We can go right into this other story if you want.

00:59:04.140 So Dave, tell me what else you brought. So we, you know, a lot of people are thinking about the

00:59:18.700 50th anniversary of the Apollo moon landing this month. This is a space story and it speaks to the,

00:59:24.660 what happens when you have an archive as big as StoryCorps. So when it was the 25th anniversary

00:59:28.720 of the shuttle disaster, we went to see if anybody had come in to talk about it. And the brother of one

00:59:33.100 of the astronauts had come to StoryCorps to remember Ron McNair, who was the second African

00:59:38.900 American to fly in space and one of the seven astronauts to die when the Challenger exploded

00:59:43.480 in 1986. So this is his brother. This is his brother coming to talk about growing up with Ron

00:59:48.200 in Lake City, South Carolina. Here we go. When he was nine years old, Ron, without my parents or myself

00:59:54.320 knowing his whereabouts, he decided to take a mile walk from our home down to the library, which was,

01:00:00.420 of course, public library, but not so public for black folks when you're talking about 1959.

01:00:06.920 So as he was walking in there, all these folks were staring at him because they were white folk

01:00:10.800 only and they were looking at him and said, you know, who is this Negro? So he politely positioned

01:00:15.660 himself in line to check out his books. Well, this old librarian, she says, this library is not for

01:00:22.420 coloreds. He said, well, I would like to check out these books. He says, young man, if you don't leave

01:00:27.660 this library right now, I'm going to call the police. So he just propped himself up on the

01:00:33.160 counter and sat there and said, I'll wait. So she called the police and subsequently called my

01:00:39.340 mother. Police came down, two burly guys come in and say, well, where's the disturbance? And she

01:00:45.060 pointed to the little nine-year-old boy sitting up on the counter. He says, man, what's the problem?

01:00:51.020 So my mother, in the meanwhile, she was called. She comes down there praying the whole way there,

01:00:54.860 Lord Jesus, please don't let them put my child in jail. And my mother asked the librarian,

01:00:59.700 what's the problem? Well, he wanted to check out the books and you know, your son shouldn't be down

01:01:03.600 here. And the police officer said, you know, why don't you just give the kid the books? And my mother

01:01:09.520 said, he'll take good care of them. And reluctantly, the librarian gave Ron the books. And my mother

01:01:18.420 said, what do you say? He said, thank you, ma'am. Later on, as youngsters, a show came on TV called

01:01:26.460 Star Trek. Now, Star Trek showed the future where there were black folk and white folk working

01:01:31.780 together. And I looked at it as science fiction, because that wasn't going to happen really.

01:01:37.180 But Ronald saw it as science possibility. You know, he came up during a time when there was Neil

01:01:42.420 Armstrong and all of those guys. So how was a colored boy from South Carolina wearing glasses,

01:01:48.360 never flew a plane? How was he going to become an astronaut? But Ron was the one who didn't accept

01:01:54.400 societal norms as being his norm. I mean, that was for other people. And he got to be aboard his own

01:02:01.540 Starship Enterprise.

01:02:05.280 You know, it's amazing. Both of those stories are 1959. They both start 1959.

01:02:09.820 And how much we have changed. And that's the frustrating thing, I think, for so many people is

01:02:17.880 we're not those people anymore. We're just not those people. And we can't step back far enough

01:02:26.100 to recognize, look at the progress we've made. Some real good progress.

01:02:31.900 Yeah. And I should say just with when you talk about progress, that library ended up being named

01:02:39.440 for Ron McNair. So now that is the Ron McNair Library. Yeah, I mean, there's that great line

01:02:44.220 also, you know, from Maya Angelou, from Clinton's first inauguration, that history, despite its

01:02:50.780 wrenching pain, you know, can't be unlived, but if faced with courage, need not be lived again.

01:02:55.720 We have to look at what it was and face it and make sure that it never happens again.

01:03:00.580 And that's the country moving forward.

01:03:02.400 Right. You know, it's the, you know, I tell the truth, you know, I tell the truth.

01:03:06.880 I've had a problem. One of my favorite, one of my heroes is Winston Churchill. Yeah.

01:03:12.040 Unless you read about him in India. Right. And then you're like, whoa, who is this guy?

01:03:17.360 He's both. Yeah, he's both. It's just this the trajectory that people are on. Are they getting

01:03:22.840 better? Are they getting worse? Yeah. And that's what we need to do to be able to come together.

01:03:27.120 We have to say, look, we were here. We're now here. We still have a lot of work to do.

01:03:33.080 That's right. But we're on the right trajectory. We have to keep moving in the right direction.

01:03:36.940 In the right direction. Dave, thank you so much. God bless you. Good to see you.

01:03:40.840 StoryCorps, if you if you want to be involved with some of these stories, just go to storycorps.org

01:03:48.520 or one small step slash one small step. OK. And this is about having conversations across the

01:03:54.100 divides. Yeah. And we want to get as many like we're going to start scaling in next year.

01:03:58.060 OK. And really try and have this be everywhere across the country. But, you know, we'd love

01:04:03.160 Glenn, but the Glenn Beck show audience to be pioneers in this.

01:04:06.940 And we would love to start with us. Good. It is storycorps.org slash one small step back in a moment.

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01:07:14.540 a planetary scale catastrophe happened. What could that possibly be? Well, I believe it's a coverup for

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01:07:28.060 which I don't, but I happen to know people who do know it's an interesting, fascinating story.

01:07:35.760 And it all kind of goes back to Vladimir Putin's statements about world war three.

01:07:43.160 We'll have that story coming up for you. Also, if you watched, um, what is it? Chernobyl.

01:07:49.560 If you watch Chernobyl on, on HBO, you might have thought as I did, wow, this is an incredible

01:07:57.580 true life story. That's the way they shape it. They shaped it as what you're about to see here is true.

01:08:04.620 Well, with an exception of the one scientist, that's just a, uh, you know, a, uh, a representative

01:08:12.660 of all of the scientific community in this one person. Well, there's a few other things that

01:08:18.440 aren't exactly true. And when you hear it, uh, we've been played, we have been played and we'll

01:08:25.980 talk about it coming up with an expert, uh, in, uh, just about a half hour from now. Also, I want to

01:08:31.920 give you an update now on New Zealand and gun control. New Zealand. Tell me the story, uh, Pat,

01:08:41.640 as you remember, uh, what happened with the gun control in New Zealand, how'd this happen?

01:08:47.320 Well, they had the terrible mass shooting, uh, where was it? 56 people were killed or slaughtered.

01:08:54.280 And obviously, you know, that only happens here. So they were so stunned that it happened

01:09:00.820 somewhere else. They immediately, the legislature, the legislature, parliament, uh, immediately

01:09:06.420 went into gear and in a vote that was, I think it was 119 to one, they voted not just to, not

01:09:13.820 just to ban guns, but to confiscate them too. And, uh, they offered an incentive where they

01:09:19.340 would buy back, which is kind of a weird term since they didn't own the guns in the first

01:09:23.480 place. How can you buy back something you didn't own? Anyway, they were going to bribe people

01:09:27.500 to turn in their guns. And there was what? Okay. 1.2 to 1.5 million of them. Yeah. So, uh,

01:09:35.100 here's, here's the, uh, the update. Um, and I remember this vote happened in parliament.

01:09:41.400 Only one person stood against it. Everybody was for it. All the representation of the people,

01:09:49.460 everyone was for it. And New Zealand is so brave. They are finally, the people know the people know,

01:09:56.420 and they're finally getting rid of these 1.5 million guns. So the buyback began and, uh, how

01:10:04.700 many weapons as of last week of the 1.5 have been turned in by the general public? Well,

01:10:11.960 I'm going to say, uh, maybe just a little over a million. They probably still have some work to do,

01:10:17.780 probably another half million. Are you being sarcastic? If you're sarcastic or what do you

01:10:23.680 think? What do you think? If you know the number, don't, don't say it. What do you actually think

01:10:28.520 that number? If I didn't know the way the story was framed, if you didn't know the number,

01:10:33.140 the way the story has been framed in the press, I would have thought that they were a good deal

01:10:38.300 towards getting to where they needed to be. I would have thought that they were well on their way

01:10:42.760 to achieving the goal of getting everybody's guns out of their homes. Well on their way. I don't know,

01:10:49.960 three quarters of the way there, maybe half of the way there even maybe half of the way. Yeah. Well,

01:10:56.680 that would be about 700,000 and they're at 700, um, just not thousand, just at 700 from one and a

01:11:07.160 seven and they got 700 guns. This shows a couple of things. First of all, um, the, this is what is

01:11:18.680 happening all around the world. The people who are in power and proclaim to represent the people do not

01:11:28.520 represent the people. They represent themselves. They represent the collective thought of giant state,

01:11:37.460 but they do not represent the people. It's not a representative government in Russia. It's not in

01:11:44.300 China. It's not in Europe. It's not in England. It's not in Australia. It's not in New Zealand. It's

01:11:51.860 not in the United States. These people are enacting laws that the people do not agree with and they're

01:12:00.780 walking in lockstep. And I warned, I warned the leadership of the world. You can only trample on

01:12:09.900 people and their rights for so long before they rise up. Now, New Zealand has just trampled and

01:12:17.220 they've, well, they can protect themselves against 700 people, but the 1.5 million that have guns,

01:12:27.840 uh, they're not going to take it forever. And this is what is to me. This is what this story is about.

01:12:35.780 When I saw that only 700 people turned in their guns, now what's going to happen?

01:12:42.100 Well, they're going to, what has to happen now? They're going to have to go get the guns now.

01:12:46.440 Yes, they have to. So now they're saying, now they're saying that they have, uh, now there's a black

01:12:52.260 market and we can't have the black market. Oh, really? We took, we could have told you there would be a

01:13:00.000 black market. The only people that the only people that, you know, are using guns to kill people

01:13:06.480 usually are the black market buyers, but now you've made every gun into a black market. So now they're

01:13:15.020 saying we have to have a registry for all guns. So if you now think of this, think of this, if you

01:13:22.580 had a gun, you, they're going to say, okay, you got to turn it in and we'll buy it from you.

01:13:28.100 But 1.5 million people didn't do that. So now they're going to say, okay, well now you have to

01:13:34.500 come in and register your gun. Why would I register my gun? If I'm not turning it in, in the first

01:13:41.480 place, I'm going to register it. So, you know who I am. So you can charge me with a crime of not

01:13:47.520 turning in my gun. I don't think so. So now they have you at breaking the law twice,

01:13:54.740 twice. They're making all of us into criminals.

01:14:02.640 So they've taken law abiding citizens and they said, we're going to pass a law, get rid of the

01:14:08.740 guns. They didn't do it because they don't agree with it. Then they're saying, now we're going to

01:14:14.880 have to register to the guns. People are not going to register. So they're going to be felons. What

01:14:20.160 they're doing is they've created a country of felons that are peaceful.

01:14:28.740 Now in Australia, how many, they've had this going on forever and it's worked fabulously,

01:14:36.640 right, Pat? I mean, it's just perfectly. Yeah. And it's been 20 some years, right? Since they did it.

01:14:42.860 It's been 20 years. And if we could just be as good as Australia, because they banned guns,

01:14:49.820 they got rid of their guns. It's utopia now there. So how many, right. How many, what percentage

01:14:57.140 of guns that were known to be owned by Australians, but not, and I'm talking semi-automatic, they

01:15:06.280 call them self-loading rifles, self-loading rifles. I'd like a self-loading magazine. I'd

01:15:15.960 like that. It'd save my thumbs. I want self-loading magazines for the love of Pete, self-loading

01:15:21.540 guns. It's just the bullets just jumped into this gun. Anyway. So these are semi-automatics.

01:15:29.640 So the percentage that have been turned in, in the last 20 years, uh, were they registered

01:15:38.840 prior to that? They were not registered. They were not registered. They know, but they, they

01:15:45.400 knew of the government knew of the sales, but they were not registered. Okay. So they knew

01:15:50.720 that they had this number of guns out in Australia that were semi-automatic. They ban everything.

01:15:57.900 What is the percentage of just the semi-automatics that came back in? Real guess or sarcastic

01:16:04.840 guess? I'm real, real guess. I bet less than 10%. I would guess. Hey, you're, you're okay.

01:16:13.660 Remember this has been going on for 20 years. Yeah. It's 20%. Oh, it is 20%. So 80%. They did

01:16:20.580 better than I thought of. Yeah, but it's still 80%. Everybody's holding them up to be these

01:16:27.060 great. Oh, you know, Australia, they get it. Oh, New Zealand, they get it. New Zealand

01:16:32.140 turned in 700 guns since the ban. And in 20 years of a semi-automatic ban, only 20% of

01:16:41.780 those guns had been turned in. All you've done is you've made good guys criminals.

01:16:47.400 And what do you think is going to happen here? Well, the same thing. That lesson will not

01:16:55.220 be learned by the left. It won't. They won't look to Australia and say, well, that's not

01:17:00.460 working. They won't look to New Zealand and say, wow, that's really not working. They

01:17:05.440 will say, well, we're different. We can do it better. That's because that's what progressives

01:17:10.420 always say. But you also have to remember, I really believe that totalitarianism, which

01:17:18.100 I think these progressives are into, you can call it communism, fascism, totalitarianism.

01:17:23.600 It's absolute government rule. That's what we're shooting for. Forget the ideology. People

01:17:29.740 are shooting for absolute rule. And part of absolute rule is to make enough rules to where

01:17:38.080 you can arrest anyone. So it doesn't matter if they collect the guns, if they can make

01:17:45.900 everyone a criminal in some way or another, when they want to arrest you, they'll be able

01:17:53.200 to come into your house, they'll find the guns, and then they'll have something to arrest you

01:17:56.880 for. And you'll go away for a long, long time.

01:18:00.880 That's why I hate the expression, well, I'm not doing anything wrong. I don't care if they're

01:18:06.180 listening. I'm not doing anything wrong. I don't care if they fill in the blank. Because

01:18:10.860 you're not the one who decides if you're doing something wrong or not. The government

01:18:14.900 is. And that's where the problem lies.

01:18:17.440 And it's not, I mean, for instance, there was a story today. I want to see if I can find

01:18:22.720 this for you real quick. There was a story today. You know who Steve Wozniak is?

01:18:26.360 Oh, yeah. Co-founder of Apple.

01:18:28.580 Okay. So Steve, yeah, co-founder of Apple. So Steve Wozniak came out just this week and

01:18:36.980 he said, everybody has to cancel Facebook. He said, you know, some people can't because

01:18:45.160 it's their business, et cetera, et cetera. He said, but the average person can, and you

01:18:50.400 have to find a way to get off of Facebook. Get off of Facebook. He did. He got off a

01:18:56.260 year ago. He said, it is. You did? He did. Wozniak did. Yeah, he did. Yeah. I would get

01:19:03.120 off if it wasn't for, if it wasn't for business. Yeah. I would get off as well. He says, there

01:19:11.240 are many different kinds of people and some of the benefits of Facebook are worth the loss

01:19:15.120 of privacy. But to many like myself, my recommendation is to most people, you should

01:19:20.120 figure out a way to get off of Facebook. Mark Zuckerberg buys all the houses around his for

01:19:26.660 privacy. He buys extra lots in Hawaii around his house for privacy. But, oh, our privacy

01:19:33.120 hasn't been respected and watched over. He says they are listening to you. They are watching.

01:19:39.340 He says people think they have a level of privacy that they no longer have. Why don't they give

01:19:44.500 people a choice? Let me pay a certain amount, and you'll keep my data more secure and private

01:19:50.780 than everyone else handling it for handing it over to advertisers. He said, everything,

01:19:57.180 everything about you, they can measure your heartbeat with lasers now. They can listen to

01:20:04.760 you with a lot of different devices. Who knows if my cell phone is listening right now? But I

01:20:10.380 know Alexa has already has been in the news a lot. You should worry. You're having conversations

01:20:16.180 that you think are private or think are to yourself. You're saying words that really shouldn't

01:20:23.420 be listened to because you're not expecting them to be listened to by other ears. There's almost

01:20:31.140 no way to stop it. That's Steve Wozniak back in just a minute.

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01:26:55.920 He is the founder and president of Environmental Progress. He has been an environmental and social

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01:27:29.260 for the planet and against global warming and they're crying catastrophe unless you do at least

01:27:36.320 one of these two things. You're a vegan or you understand that nuclear power is the only option

01:27:43.760 that we really have that would be able to replace the energy that we would lose. Michael Schellenberger

01:27:50.180 is a strong advocate for nuclear energy. Welcome to the program, Michael. How are you?

01:27:55.160 Good. Thanks so much for having me on, Glenn. You bet. So did you think twice when we called?

01:28:01.880 No, not at this point. No, I mean, I like I talk. I like talking to people that I don't agree with on

01:28:08.920 everything. That's that's that's that's America's what America's all about, isn't it? I mean, I think we've lost

01:28:14.220 sight of that. But it takes Michael, you know, for to have a conversation like this, it takes somebody that is

01:28:20.600 willing to be honest, at least with themselves. And if you hear something that you that you agree

01:28:28.520 with that disagrees with your point, you have to be honest enough to go, huh, I didn't know that I

01:28:34.700 have to look into that more. And if that's true, I might be wrong. And I don't think a lot of people

01:28:39.320 are willing to do that, especially when it comes to nuclear energy. It's crazy how people are just

01:28:45.380 zealots against it. Yeah, I agree. I mean, I was anti nuclear for most of my life. You know, I didn't

01:28:53.000 I wasn't a deep thinker in my opposition to it. But yeah, when you start doing the arithmetic,

01:29:00.120 very simple math of how do you transition away from fossil fuels to clean sources of energy,

01:29:06.460 there's just no way to do it without nuclear power. And that became clear to me about 10 years ago. And

01:29:12.460 ever since then, honestly, when people ask me if I'm concerned about climate change, what I say is,

01:29:17.900 well, tell me whether or not we're expanding or shrinking nuclear, because if we were doing a

01:29:23.580 lot of nuclear around the world and expanding in the United States, I probably wouldn't be as

01:29:27.580 concerned about climate change. So for me, the the relationship is quite direct, the more nuclear

01:29:32.940 power, the cooler the planet, the less nuclear plant, the less nuclear power, the more, the more heat

01:29:39.120 we're going to have. I have to tell you, Michael, 10, 11 years ago, GM lent me one of their hydrogen

01:29:46.220 cars, which was one of the first things the Obama administration did was make sure that that was

01:29:50.820 shelved. And and I thought this was great, only because the power just by just by leaving the rods

01:29:59.960 out at night, all of the hydrogen we could possibly want, which is clean, could be made in a nuclear power

01:30:07.280 plant while everybody is asleep. We'd have almost an endless supply of of hydrogen, where the the way

01:30:14.780 we have these electric cars, you're still burning coal to make the you know, the little thing in

01:30:19.520 your walls, not a little magic box, that power is coming from something. Yeah, I mean, what I worry

01:30:25.960 about, I mean, basically, the trend over time has been to to have lighter and lighter vehicles. So there's

01:30:32.560 a process called dematerialization, where we just use less natural resources, we become wealthier in

01:30:38.580 the society. And that's a really positive trend for the environment. So yeah, what I worry about,

01:30:43.000 because I live in California, and there's just a lot of Teslas, they're really heavy cars. So there's

01:30:48.700 a huge amount of material throughput, a lot of mining, a lot of resource extraction for those cars.

01:30:54.900 Hydrogen fuel cells, totally different, much lighter. They have much, they can travel much farther,

01:31:02.560 there's a bunch of barriers to getting there. But for sure, I think over the next century,

01:31:06.960 we're going to be moving towards towards some amount of hydrogen fuel cells.

01:31:11.000 All right, so I want to come back to nuclear energy. But the reason why I wanted to have you

01:31:16.020 on today is I heard an interview with you talking about HBO's Chernobyl. Now, I watched that thing,

01:31:24.000 and like a dope, took it to be... I mean, how could they possibly say, no, no, no, there are some

01:31:32.340 things that we changed, and there are some things that aren't exactly right. But it's really only like

01:31:37.400 that one scientist represents a group of scientists. No, when I'm listening to you, almost everything

01:31:44.240 that I saw was not right in Chernobyl, anything that counted. Can you take us through this?

01:31:50.460 Yeah, I mean, it's a very terrifying show. I think it's understandable that anybody would watch it

01:31:56.720 would be anti-nuclear by the end of it. And what was so galling about it is that the creator of it,

01:32:02.560 and HBO, repeatedly claimed that it was based on science, based on facts, and that they only

01:32:10.240 embellished some kind of character details, things that were really unimportant. Well, so,

01:32:16.580 and I was honestly, I've written so much on Chernobyl, because Chernobyl just terrified me

01:32:22.260 when it occurred. I was about 15 at the time, 1986. And it was actually one of the main...

01:32:29.580 When I changed my mind about nuclear, what really changed it was when I went and read the actual

01:32:35.720 science about Chernobyl from the World Health Organization, the United Nations has done many

01:32:41.060 studies. And the first thing you discover when you read the science is just how few people died.

01:32:47.440 So, three people were killed in the fire the night, in the fire and the explosion the night of the

01:32:52.780 accident. And then 28 firefighters died several weeks later from acute radiation syndrome.

01:33:00.060 Although, one of the most interesting findings when you read the material is that it's not clear

01:33:04.940 how many of the firefighters died from acute radiation syndrome and how many of them may have died just

01:33:10.840 from being burned from exposure to the fire. They may have survived if they hadn't been burned by the

01:33:18.820 fire as well, because that opened up their immune systems to... made them more vulnerable to acute

01:33:25.820 radiation syndrome. And then after that, all we know is that there will be an estimated 16,000 cases of

01:33:33.940 thyroid cancer. And while that may sound like a lot, the mortality rate from thyroid cancer is about

01:33:39.960 1%. So, very few people die from it. It's easy to treat. So, that brings you to about 160 deaths over

01:33:46.960 an 80-year lifetime. So, you're looking at something around 200 deaths total, which is just... I mean,

01:33:57.460 in any comparison to anything is nothing. I mean, we estimate that somewhere around 7 million people

01:34:02.900 die every year from ordinary air pollution, smoke, not just fossil fuels, but burning wood and dung in

01:34:09.360 poor countries. You know, the number of deaths from people looking at their smartphones while walking

01:34:16.160 or driving in their car, it appears to be somewhere around 4,000. In fact, the death rate from pedestrian

01:34:23.000 deaths and automobile accidents has gone up. That's just annually in the United States. So, I mean,

01:34:28.680 200 deaths total, and meanwhile, no deaths from radiation from Three Mile Island, no deaths from

01:34:34.480 radiation from Fukushima. It turns out that nuclear is not only the safest way to make electricity,

01:34:41.740 it's literally one of the safest technologies in our society. I mean, it's so shocking. It's sort of so

01:34:48.760 shocking, it's understandable that nobody believes it, because when you watch the HBO special, you think

01:34:53.380 that thousands of people must have died, and the reality is just very different from that.

01:34:59.180 So, can I... First, let me just get this out of the way, and then I'd like to take you through the

01:35:05.000 movie step by step. The obvious thing to say when you hear what you just said was, well, the Russians

01:35:13.320 hit it all. The Russians, you know, didn't track it, because HBO says about the bridge of death, which I

01:35:19.080 know you'll get into, you know, that they didn't track it, so we don't know for sure. But the Russians

01:35:26.020 weren't the only ones interested in tracking this, right? It was the international community that...

01:35:33.060 Yeah, I mean, this is really outrageous, and this is a very easy fact to check. There were many,

01:35:40.380 many studies, dozens, hundreds of studies published in peer-reviewed journals done by foreign scientists

01:35:46.140 going to Chernobyl within days of the accident. For many years afterwards, I interviewed many of the top

01:35:55.520 radiation scientists in the world, including the founder of the Chernobyl Tissue Bank, which collects

01:36:01.000 tissue samples so that we can really carefully track how many people were injured or harmed. I mean, it's

01:36:07.540 literally one of the best-studied industrial accidents in human history, and the people who studied it

01:36:14.260 were our academics with no association with the Russian or the Soviet government at the time,

01:36:19.800 you know, incredibly prestigious experts. Sometimes people say things like, well, we really don't know,

01:36:26.180 radiation is so mysterious. That's complete nonsense. We've been studying radiation's effect on health

01:36:31.900 since 1900. Marie Curie and her husband studied it, you know, 120 years ago, so we know a huge amount

01:36:40.080 about the impacts of radiation. So the idea that there's all this uncertainty or that there was

01:36:45.980 some sort of a cover-up is just complete nonsense. So let's take one of the big things, and that is

01:36:54.040 the firefighter that's in the hospital and his wife comes. There's a couple of things that

01:36:59.040 are completely flipped upside down. For instance, the nurses are warning her,

01:37:06.380 don't get close to him, don't go beyond that plastic, you know, cover, because the radiation

01:37:14.320 will kill you, when indeed the truth is the exact opposite. She was probably killing him by going past

01:37:23.600 that plastic sheet. That's right. It's pretty outrageous, this part of it, which is this depiction

01:37:31.900 of radiation as contagious, as a kind of virus. And on the one hand, you kind of go, you know,

01:37:39.660 I have some people kind of go, hey, it's just a TV show. But here's the problem. The fears of

01:37:45.640 radiation and the fears of the people who were exposed to radiation are deadly. In fact, in all the

01:37:53.320 public health reports, it's really sad how many people's lives were hurt. People slipped into

01:38:00.600 depression, anxiety. It turns out that it's really bad for your health to have doctors or others tell

01:38:07.980 you that you've been contaminated, that you're poisonous, to be ostracized from your community,

01:38:13.700 which is what happened both in Chernobyl and in Japan. We know it's just horrible to be

01:38:19.820 stigmatized, to be, you know, ostracized. And so we see huge, you know, mental health consequences

01:38:27.700 of that. So yeah, I mean, basically, you know, if you have acute radiation from you, you know,

01:38:36.040 those firefighters that were exposed to the radiation, once their clothes are removed, and

01:38:40.540 they're cleaned, there is no risk of any radioactive particles affecting anybody. So yeah,

01:38:47.100 okay, so hang on just a second. I want to, I want to, yeah, go ahead. I need to take a break,

01:38:51.680 and then I'm going to come back, because this is fascinating, especially when it gets down all

01:38:55.120 the way down to the baby. You'll see, you'll begin to see how off this special really is.

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01:40:16.440 Okay, so once the radiation is washed off of somebody, they're not contagious. But as we saw

01:40:37.880 them, they became like these, almost these transparent people. So if she was going in

01:40:42.880 there, there was a real high risk that she would infect him, you know, with just something

01:40:49.540 that she had on her or sneeze or anything, because his body wasn't able to fight that

01:40:54.340 infection, right?

01:40:55.580 Yeah, you got it exactly right. I mean, that's why we protect patients whose immune systems

01:41:00.100 are compromised in those plastic sheets. So yeah, I mean, it comes up repeatedly. I'm writing

01:41:07.360 a book about nuclear and what we find repeatedly in pop culture and movies is this idea that

01:41:14.140 radiation is a kind of evil demon or something, as opposed to just being a physical part of

01:41:20.660 the natural world. Radiation is completely natural, it turns out. And so it sort of gives

01:41:26.600 you this sense of contamination that it's a virus, sort of a zombie. It's sort of like a zombie

01:41:32.740 movie in a way, you know, and they make it like a horror movie, which you can understand

01:41:37.140 for entertainment value, but it causes real harm in the real world. And particularly Fukushima

01:41:42.060 where, you know, people were ostracized. In fact, it turns out that people from Fukushima

01:41:47.800 have had a hard time, you know, forming relationships, dating, getting married, out of this idea that

01:41:54.200 they're kind of, they're kind of contaminated or something will happen to their children. It's

01:41:57.980 quite disturbing when you consider the effect of that fear. Speaking of children, the child,

01:42:05.080 and I know this is possible, is it not, with mercury. So if a mom eats a lot of fish, the mercury

01:42:12.740 can be transferred to the baby, right? Yes, definitely. This doesn't happen with radiation.

01:42:21.260 First of all, he was clean, and so there was no radiation coming off of him. But tell me about

01:42:27.620 what happened with the baby. Well, they claim that the pregnant wife who visits her, her husband,

01:42:36.280 who's the firefighter who was exposed to radiation, they claim that the baby absorbed the husband's

01:42:42.200 radiation and died. And I tracked down the source of this idea to a book called Voices from Chernobyl,

01:42:52.420 which is a very famous book. It is a not a peer reviewed piece of science. And what I discovered

01:43:00.220 is that not only do we not know how the baby died, we don't even know that there was a baby or that the

01:43:07.680 baby died. It's all just completely hearsay. I interviewed scientists about this, and they said,

01:43:14.900 absolutely, there's just no way that that baby would have absorbed radiation from the father by

01:43:21.960 the mother standing at the bedside, much less protected the mother. I mean, you're just dealing

01:43:26.760 with absolute fantasy. And what's so disturbing about it, of course, is that the relationship between

01:43:35.860 a mother and her baby is sacred. It's, it's precious. We care a lot about babies because

01:43:41.740 they're so vulnerable. The relationship, you know, I think women in general are more afraid of nuclear

01:43:47.420 than men. We find that around the world. And understandably so, because Hollywood has terrified

01:43:53.380 them for 60, 70 years about radiation, which is quite a manipulation and something I think that

01:44:01.080 feminists and people that care about mothers and just ordinary folks ought to be really

01:44:05.620 concerned about.

01:44:07.560 So I was talking to somebody just last night, and I said that you were going to be on the program,

01:44:12.560 and they said, ask them about the mutant dogs. I'm like, mutant dogs? I've never even heard of

01:44:19.980 the mutant dogs. I want to, I want to get into the mutant dogs with you, Michael, and a couple of other

01:44:27.320 things that are not true in this, and then talk to you about the state of nuclear energy and how we are

01:44:35.100 going to flip this around, if this narrative can even be flipped around at this point, because it

01:44:40.920 is so deeply embedded in our culture and in our, in our minds that it is so dangerous. We'll continue

01:44:49.000 our conversation with Michael Schellenberger coming up in just a second.

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01:45:06.600 I am a proud supporter of the Second Amendment. I actually like all the amendments.

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01:46:33.000 In the 1950s,

01:46:34.640 Walt Disney published

01:46:36.900 a book and did a series

01:46:38.480 on Our Friend the Atom.

01:46:41.260 You don't hear about Our Friend

01:46:42.720 the Atom anymore

01:46:43.860 because nuclear energy

01:46:46.760 is oh so very dangerous.

01:46:49.940 But none of

01:46:50.860 that is true. Even

01:46:52.600 Chernobyl, which

01:46:53.800 we, when you say the word

01:46:55.780 Chernobyl, it's the most

01:46:57.180 dangerous place on Earth.

01:46:59.060 It is a place

01:46:59.860 that no one can go to

01:47:01.620 for 30,000 years.

01:47:03.380 It's a place that

01:47:04.080 you have to kill all of the

01:47:05.880 animals because

01:47:06.680 they're eating all the

01:47:07.720 vegetation and they're

01:47:08.760 turning into

01:47:09.620 mutant dogs.

01:47:11.760 We have Michael

01:47:12.740 Schellenberger here.

01:47:13.780 He's a founder and president

01:47:14.640 of Environmental Progress.

01:47:15.760 He has an environmental

01:47:17.880 view to nuclear power.

01:47:20.760 And welcome to the

01:47:21.900 show.

01:47:22.900 He's done the research

01:47:23.820 on Chernobyl.

01:47:25.660 Tell me about the

01:47:26.760 mutant dogs

01:47:27.640 that have to be

01:47:28.740 mutant because they're

01:47:29.320 eating all the

01:47:29.840 vegetation.

01:47:31.200 Yeah, well, first,

01:47:32.220 there were no

01:47:33.100 mutant dogs.

01:47:34.680 I hope that any

01:47:35.900 viewer that

01:47:36.820 watches a movie

01:47:38.020 where there's a

01:47:38.880 scene where they

01:47:39.520 literally are

01:47:40.660 killing puppies,

01:47:42.400 that that sends

01:47:43.160 some sort of

01:47:43.780 signal that they're

01:47:44.600 being manipulated.

01:47:46.000 I mean, I just

01:47:47.840 kind of laughed

01:47:48.640 when we got to

01:47:49.240 that part of the

01:47:49.880 show.

01:47:50.360 It was like,

01:47:50.700 really, you're

01:47:51.280 going to see

01:47:51.560 Michael now.

01:47:52.860 You know the

01:47:54.040 truth about it.

01:47:54.980 When I saw that,

01:47:56.340 I honestly thought

01:47:57.760 that's what they

01:47:58.540 had to do.

01:47:59.580 It just makes

01:48:00.980 sense the way

01:48:02.080 it's framed because

01:48:03.540 you're not engaging

01:48:04.640 your brain.

01:48:05.920 The minute the

01:48:07.060 minute I heard

01:48:08.300 you say that

01:48:10.040 radiation is not

01:48:11.060 contagious, I was

01:48:12.100 like, oh, wait a

01:48:13.440 minute.

01:48:14.160 Yeah, so why

01:48:14.880 are they killing?

01:48:15.500 All they have to

01:48:16.100 do is just wash

01:48:16.920 everything clean,

01:48:17.960 and why would

01:48:19.200 they be killing

01:48:19.680 the dogs?

01:48:21.120 Yeah, it doesn't

01:48:22.000 make any sense.

01:48:23.640 I mean, you

01:48:24.440 know, you might

01:48:24.920 kill dogs if

01:48:26.180 you're worried

01:48:26.560 they're going to

01:48:26.900 have rabies.

01:48:27.740 It has nothing

01:48:28.280 whatsoever to do

01:48:29.380 with radiation or

01:48:30.360 Chernobyl or

01:48:30.900 nuclear.

01:48:32.620 You know, you

01:48:33.180 want to make sure

01:48:34.020 that if there is

01:48:34.820 an accident like

01:48:35.480 that and some

01:48:36.140 amount of

01:48:36.680 radioactive

01:48:37.220 particulate matter

01:48:38.300 escapes the

01:48:38.980 plant, that you

01:48:41.020 monitor the food,

01:48:42.700 you know, so

01:48:43.220 you don't let

01:48:43.700 people eat

01:48:44.400 meats that

01:48:46.340 have from

01:48:47.280 cows that ate

01:48:49.020 a lot of

01:48:49.360 grass that had

01:48:50.220 radiation on

01:48:51.020 it.

01:48:51.760 It's very easy

01:48:52.780 to do.

01:48:53.260 The Japanese

01:48:53.740 did a very

01:48:54.360 good job in

01:48:55.220 Japan.

01:48:56.660 In fact, that's

01:48:57.680 I mean, I think

01:48:58.160 this is the one

01:48:58.700 thing people don't

01:48:59.260 understand is that

01:49:00.360 people continue to

01:49:02.060 live and work

01:49:03.260 near Chernobyl,

01:49:05.020 right near it,

01:49:06.080 for many years

01:49:07.140 after the accident,

01:49:08.060 and the way

01:49:09.000 that they protect

01:49:09.680 themselves is that

01:49:10.480 they don't eat

01:49:10.980 the local foods.

01:49:12.300 I mean, if you

01:49:12.580 eat a pound of

01:49:13.180 mushrooms every

01:49:13.760 day from right

01:49:15.120 next to the

01:49:15.560 plant, you're

01:49:16.180 probably going to

01:49:16.660 have some

01:49:17.020 problems, but if

01:49:17.980 you don't do

01:49:18.420 that, if you

01:49:18.940 eat food from

01:49:19.660 imported outside,

01:49:20.840 you're fine.

01:49:21.500 It's not like

01:49:22.140 a, there's a

01:49:23.220 sense in which

01:49:23.800 people have that

01:49:24.500 there's sort of

01:49:25.000 this ambient

01:49:25.880 radioactive air

01:49:28.420 that if you

01:49:29.200 breathe it,

01:49:30.740 you know, it's

01:49:31.660 just a

01:49:32.520 misunderstanding.

01:49:33.680 It's this, you

01:49:34.320 know, radiation is

01:49:35.160 actual physical

01:49:36.200 objects.

01:49:37.560 It's physical

01:49:38.240 particulate matter

01:49:39.160 and if you

01:49:39.760 avoid those, then

01:49:40.640 you avoid the

01:49:41.180 harm that comes

01:49:41.740 from them.

01:49:43.140 Michael, I think

01:49:44.180 it's best stated

01:49:45.320 as if you just

01:49:46.920 think of these

01:49:47.660 as little teeny

01:49:48.540 bullets that are

01:49:49.860 constantly fired

01:49:51.060 for 30,000 years.

01:49:54.180 Well, this is

01:49:54.960 really at the

01:49:55.600 heart of it, I

01:49:56.240 think.

01:49:56.740 I mean, they

01:49:57.120 say in there,

01:49:58.620 they say, yeah,

01:49:59.200 every time you're

01:50:00.340 exposed to radiation,

01:50:01.080 it's like a bullet.

01:50:02.040 Well, that's

01:50:02.420 ridiculous because,

01:50:03.580 of course, we're

01:50:04.060 exposed to huge

01:50:04.960 quantities of

01:50:05.640 radiation just

01:50:06.400 living our lives,

01:50:07.220 especially flying

01:50:07.980 on airplanes.

01:50:09.300 I'm from

01:50:09.720 Colorado, which

01:50:10.660 has much higher

01:50:11.360 levels of

01:50:11.840 radiation because

01:50:12.700 there's a lot

01:50:13.200 of uranium in

01:50:13.940 the granite

01:50:14.440 rock.

01:50:15.760 And it turns

01:50:16.260 out in

01:50:16.540 Colorado, people

01:50:17.400 live longer than

01:50:18.280 they do in

01:50:18.680 other parts of

01:50:19.400 the United

01:50:19.980 States for

01:50:21.560 reasons that

01:50:22.240 have nothing to

01:50:22.920 do with

01:50:23.160 radiation.

01:50:24.820 But it really

01:50:25.560 gets to this

01:50:26.220 idea, and I

01:50:26.940 think that at

01:50:27.980 bottom, the

01:50:29.100 fears of

01:50:29.900 nuclear energy

01:50:30.700 is a fear of

01:50:31.540 nuclear weapons.

01:50:32.360 And so you

01:50:33.080 have the most

01:50:34.920 terrifying parts

01:50:36.220 of the movie

01:50:36.740 are where they

01:50:37.420 claim falsely

01:50:39.220 that the

01:50:40.980 nuclear meltdown

01:50:42.220 was a nuclear

01:50:44.080 bomb going off.

01:50:45.380 And this is

01:50:45.660 something that I

01:50:46.380 believed when I

01:50:47.200 was a boy.

01:50:48.500 This is something

01:50:49.160 that polling

01:50:50.540 shows almost a

01:50:51.480 third of the

01:50:52.040 public believes

01:50:52.860 consciously.

01:50:53.700 I suspect more

01:50:54.340 people believe it

01:50:55.000 kind of unconsciously.

01:50:56.460 But literally in

01:50:57.180 the movie, they

01:50:57.820 say at this point,

01:50:59.000 Chernobyl became a

01:51:00.500 nuclear bomb.

01:51:01.520 And that is

01:51:02.260 just outrageous.

01:51:04.460 Physically

01:51:04.940 impossible for a

01:51:06.480 nuclear plant to

01:51:07.640 become a

01:51:08.800 nuclear bomb.

01:51:09.740 It's because the

01:51:10.280 fuel is enriched

01:51:11.300 to under 20%.

01:51:13.460 A bomb needs to

01:51:14.220 be enriched.

01:51:15.020 The fuel needs to

01:51:15.560 be enriched over

01:51:16.020 90%.

01:51:16.820 It's very basic.

01:51:18.800 This is like,

01:51:19.500 you know, this is

01:51:20.160 elementary school

01:51:21.240 level stuff that

01:51:22.560 everybody should

01:51:23.180 know.

01:51:23.980 So that's what I

01:51:25.240 think was, that

01:51:26.200 was the big fear

01:51:27.140 that they were

01:51:27.600 doing and the big

01:51:28.320 lie of Chernobyl.

01:51:29.740 And shame on the

01:51:30.840 creators for

01:51:32.060 perpetuating that.

01:51:33.560 I mean, it was

01:51:34.500 the same lie that

01:51:35.380 they did in

01:51:35.900 China Syndrome.

01:51:37.180 There's anti-nuclear

01:51:38.100 movies that have

01:51:38.900 been made all

01:51:39.360 around the world

01:51:39.880 and they all do

01:51:40.600 the same thing.

01:51:41.480 They all claim

01:51:42.280 that a nuclear

01:51:43.020 plant, when the

01:51:44.700 uranium melts,

01:51:45.680 it's somehow

01:51:46.500 equivalent to a

01:51:48.160 nuclear bomb going

01:51:48.980 off.

01:51:49.320 And it's just

01:51:49.960 outrageous and

01:51:50.860 ridiculous and

01:51:51.740 should be subject

01:51:53.160 to public scorn.

01:51:54.840 So, Michael, was

01:51:56.780 the, you know, the

01:51:59.440 light that was

01:52:00.400 shooting out, was

01:52:02.500 that even like

01:52:03.620 that?

01:52:04.160 And the helicopter

01:52:06.000 that flew over, you

01:52:08.620 know, that all of a

01:52:09.420 sudden has stopped

01:52:10.060 working?

01:52:11.340 How much of this

01:52:12.020 is true?

01:52:12.340 Yeah, the helicopter

01:52:12.360 is just, yeah, I

01:52:14.020 mean, there were some

01:52:14.540 reports of blue

01:52:15.220 light, certainly not

01:52:16.560 anything like they

01:52:17.420 showed where you

01:52:18.000 could see it from

01:52:18.880 outside the plant.

01:52:20.700 The helicopter is

01:52:22.120 just outrageous as

01:52:23.300 well.

01:52:23.700 I mean, so a

01:52:24.220 helicopter, in the

01:52:26.300 real world, there

01:52:27.980 was a helicopter

01:52:29.000 that many months

01:52:31.860 after the accident,

01:52:33.080 after the accident

01:52:33.940 had been long

01:52:34.580 since controlled, a

01:52:36.840 helicopter hit a

01:52:38.000 chain dangling from

01:52:39.460 a crane and it

01:52:40.540 crashed.

01:52:41.240 Well, in the show,

01:52:43.280 they strongly suggest

01:52:45.180 that the helicopter

01:52:46.540 pilot flew too close

01:52:48.120 to the radiation

01:52:48.920 and was affected

01:52:51.500 by the radiation

01:52:52.680 somehow, like

01:52:54.180 became kind of, it

01:52:54.940 looked like he

01:52:55.320 almost became kind

01:52:56.000 of drunk or

01:52:56.760 disoriented and then

01:52:57.900 hit the chain.

01:52:59.280 That is just

01:53:00.380 nonsense.

01:53:01.760 I mean, obviously

01:53:02.240 you don't want to

01:53:02.840 fly, you don't want

01:53:03.860 to, you don't want

01:53:04.360 to stand right next

01:53:05.220 to that radioactive

01:53:06.280 fuel, that's why

01:53:07.240 they needed to

01:53:07.740 cover it up, but

01:53:08.980 there was absolutely

01:53:09.700 no relationship

01:53:10.700 and giving the

01:53:13.000 sense that radiation

01:53:14.080 is this kind of

01:53:15.000 super potent toxin

01:53:17.920 and then of course

01:53:18.420 if you're standing

01:53:18.920 right next to a

01:53:19.740 nuclear reactor, it's

01:53:20.840 very hot and has a

01:53:22.260 lot of radiation, but

01:53:23.320 it just doesn't have

01:53:25.000 the impacts that they

01:53:26.080 depicted on the show.

01:53:27.840 Isn't that all kind

01:53:28.600 of proven out now,

01:53:29.920 Michael, by the fact

01:53:30.720 that the wildlife has

01:53:33.400 moved back into

01:53:34.480 Chernobyl?

01:53:35.040 People haven't, but

01:53:35.820 wildlife is thriving

01:53:37.660 all through Chernobyl.

01:53:39.720 Oh, yeah, and not

01:53:41.580 only that, and of

01:53:43.480 course, you know, I

01:53:45.020 have a mixed feeling

01:53:46.380 towards it because I'm

01:53:47.660 a pretty strong

01:53:48.380 conservationist and I

01:53:50.220 think that it's great

01:53:51.680 to have what we call

01:53:52.580 rewilding.

01:53:54.080 So Chernobyl is

01:53:54.980 amazing.

01:53:55.960 So, you know, there's

01:53:56.580 this incredible, the

01:53:57.740 wildlife has returned,

01:53:59.320 there's lynx, you know,

01:54:00.580 which is a big cat

01:54:01.460 species, there's bear,

01:54:03.000 there's wolves, the

01:54:04.520 bird life is amazing,

01:54:06.680 thriving, you know,

01:54:07.900 a thriving fauna, and

01:54:11.500 there's a group of

01:54:12.340 scientists that claim

01:54:14.160 that they can find

01:54:15.500 some problem in the

01:54:17.280 forests at

01:54:18.180 microorganism levels,

01:54:19.780 but you're having

01:54:21.480 this thriving fauna, so

01:54:23.760 if there were some

01:54:24.680 real problem with it,

01:54:25.780 you would see it in

01:54:26.560 the animals and you

01:54:27.460 don't.

01:54:29.020 In fact, I just

01:54:29.740 interviewed one of the

01:54:30.540 scientists who's one

01:54:31.280 of the lead experts on

01:54:32.880 studying the return of

01:54:33.700 wildlife, and he says

01:54:34.500 that they're trying to

01:54:35.200 make it a world

01:54:35.840 heritage site under the

01:54:37.100 United Nations because

01:54:37.820 it's just such a

01:54:38.400 magnificent place.

01:54:40.500 My only ambivalence is

01:54:41.780 that the evidence is

01:54:42.840 pretty clear that they

01:54:43.620 really didn't need to

01:54:44.860 evacuate all of those

01:54:47.240 people for so long, and

01:54:48.760 it was the evacuation

01:54:49.660 that, you know, created

01:54:51.960 so much of the harm, the

01:54:53.620 anxiety, the depression.

01:54:54.840 I mean, clearly people

01:54:55.540 could have moved back in

01:54:56.720 after a few months,

01:54:58.260 especially if they had

01:54:59.180 relied on food imported

01:55:00.440 from the outside, but as

01:55:01.980 a conservationist, it's

01:55:03.340 hard not to take some,

01:55:04.980 you know, to be excited

01:55:06.280 about it because you're

01:55:07.340 just seeing one of the

01:55:08.260 greatest wildlife

01:55:09.000 reserves in the world

01:55:10.160 and certainly one of the

01:55:11.000 greatest in Europe.

01:55:11.680 Could people live there

01:55:12.800 now safely?

01:55:13.860 Yeah, and they do.

01:55:15.260 They do, and they do.

01:55:16.440 Yeah, they do.

01:55:17.580 Yeah, and like I said,

01:55:18.520 once you understand what

01:55:20.140 you're dealing with,

01:55:21.160 it's just don't go into

01:55:22.200 the, you know, don't go

01:55:23.220 into the forest and

01:55:24.060 collect a pound of

01:55:24.800 mushrooms and eat a pound

01:55:25.640 of mushrooms every week.

01:55:28.020 You know, so it's pretty

01:55:30.280 basic stuff.

01:55:31.600 You know, they overreacted

01:55:34.220 in Fukushima, needing to

01:55:35.660 kind of change the soil.

01:55:38.020 You don't need to do

01:55:39.040 that.

01:55:40.020 We don't do that with

01:55:41.060 other things like chemical

01:55:42.220 accidents.

01:55:42.960 You just, you know, the

01:55:43.560 rule that you learn in

01:55:44.780 your college ecological

01:55:46.160 biology class is the

01:55:47.440 solution to pollution is

01:55:48.600 dilution.

01:55:49.800 Same thing for radioactive

01:55:51.120 particulate matter over

01:55:52.280 time.

01:55:52.740 It just dilutes.

01:55:54.340 If you, you know, and

01:55:55.140 radiation, the great thing

01:55:56.700 about it is that it's so

01:55:58.000 easy to detect and

01:55:59.380 monitor.

01:55:59.740 In fact, most of the

01:56:01.040 bodily, our bodily

01:56:02.280 processes, we understand

01:56:03.600 because we attached

01:56:04.580 radioactive tracers to

01:56:06.840 various functions.

01:56:08.180 So the great thing about

01:56:09.300 radiation is that we can

01:56:10.440 detect it at very low

01:56:11.500 levels.

01:56:12.080 We know a huge amount

01:56:13.000 about it.

01:56:13.560 We know what doses cause

01:56:15.420 harm and we can put those

01:56:16.640 doses into perspective.

01:56:18.060 I mean, it just, it just

01:56:19.340 turns out that, that of all

01:56:21.600 the things that kill us and

01:56:23.220 we're all going to die,

01:56:24.800 radiation is just a really

01:56:28.080 tiny thing compared to all

01:56:30.160 of the other stuff, diet,

01:56:31.640 exercise, drinking, smoking,

01:56:33.280 all the things that, and

01:56:34.980 scaring people about

01:56:36.320 radiation, making them

01:56:38.140 anxious, making them

01:56:39.040 depressed, contributed to

01:56:40.980 all of those negative

01:56:42.020 outcomes, including too

01:56:44.200 much drinking, too much

01:56:45.180 smoking, just too much

01:56:46.120 worrying.

01:56:47.260 And I, and that's the real

01:56:48.140 harm of Chernobyl.

01:56:49.080 It's not just, I'm not just

01:56:50.000 like a, I'm not a TV

01:56:51.580 critic.

01:56:51.920 I don't really care if TV

01:56:54.120 distorts reality.

01:56:55.160 What I care about is this

01:56:57.540 kind of propaganda hurts

01:56:59.300 people, and it kills

01:57:00.620 people, and it terrifies

01:57:01.800 people, and it has real

01:57:02.920 harm in the real world, and

01:57:04.620 that harm, it massively

01:57:06.380 outweighs any of the harms

01:57:07.580 from radiation.

01:57:09.560 And the other problem with

01:57:12.840 it, I think, is that it's

01:57:14.940 harming future generations

01:57:16.900 because it just keeps

01:57:18.240 embedding in us this is

01:57:19.760 dangerous when, indeed, we

01:57:21.800 need nuclear energy.

01:57:23.160 If, if we were, if we

01:57:25.540 didn't have this irrational

01:57:27.220 fear, the world would be a

01:57:29.560 better, safer place all the

01:57:31.780 way around.

01:57:32.540 Are we, do you see us

01:57:34.080 getting to a place to where

01:57:35.440 there is a tipping point

01:57:36.520 going back the other way?

01:57:38.480 I do.

01:57:39.500 I mean, I think the thing

01:57:40.280 you have to understand

01:57:40.860 about nuclear, which is

01:57:42.280 just to remind ourselves,

01:57:43.440 this is the process of

01:57:44.820 splitting the nucleus and

01:57:46.120 the atom to release heat.

01:57:47.720 It's a completely

01:57:48.920 revolutionary thing.

01:57:50.500 It's like the invention of

01:57:51.480 a whole new branch of

01:57:52.460 science.

01:57:52.840 It's like chemistry.

01:57:54.660 And we knew before we did

01:57:56.560 it that it would be this

01:57:57.740 incredible source of energy

01:57:59.920 and would also be an

01:58:01.520 incredible weapon.

01:58:02.640 And I think that the fact

01:58:04.120 that those two things were

01:58:05.300 born at the same moment

01:58:07.200 has affected our perception

01:58:09.560 of the technology.

01:58:11.140 But, you know, even if

01:58:12.240 you're skeptical about

01:58:13.120 climate change, we still

01:58:14.380 have seven million deaths

01:58:15.460 a year from air pollution.

01:58:16.540 Even if you think that

01:58:17.340 number is exaggerated by,

01:58:18.940 you know, a hundredfold,

01:58:20.640 you still have a lot of,

01:58:21.780 you know, go to Delhi,

01:58:23.500 India or Beijing and tell

01:58:25.020 me that living with that

01:58:26.400 kind of pollution is

01:58:27.180 pleasant.

01:58:28.280 Nuclear makes pollution

01:58:29.520 free energy.

01:58:31.060 It does so with tiny

01:58:33.040 amounts of natural

01:58:33.920 resource.

01:58:34.560 I mean, that's why

01:58:35.400 nuclear is the best from

01:58:37.080 an environmental

01:58:37.540 perspective is that a

01:58:39.200 single Coke can of

01:58:40.960 uranium fuel would give

01:58:42.240 me all the energy I need

01:58:43.700 for my entire high energy

01:58:45.540 life.

01:58:45.940 I mean, it includes all my

01:58:46.880 jet travel, which is

01:58:47.800 excessive.

01:58:49.620 The amount of land that's

01:58:51.340 required.

01:58:52.440 So consider that it takes

01:58:53.360 450 times more land to

01:58:55.980 generate the same amount of

01:58:56.880 electricity from a solar

01:58:57.980 farm in California, which

01:59:00.280 is a very sunny place, than

01:59:01.800 it does from a nuclear

01:59:02.660 plant.

01:59:03.260 We have a nuclear plant in

01:59:04.160 California, our last one.

01:59:05.240 They're trying to shut it

01:59:05.880 down.

01:59:06.700 Produces power for three

01:59:07.960 million people on three

01:59:10.340 acres of land.

01:59:12.200 I mean, just a tiny

01:59:13.740 quantity of land, you

01:59:15.020 know, or three foot, or

01:59:15.760 three football fields

01:59:16.420 stacked next to each other

01:59:17.180 produces enough electricity

01:59:18.460 for three million

01:59:19.000 Californians.

01:59:19.580 Well, if you care about

01:59:20.340 the natural environment, if

01:59:22.520 you're worried at all about

01:59:23.700 protecting beautiful spaces,

01:59:25.980 and again, this is beyond

01:59:26.960 politics.

01:59:27.780 I think the environment

01:59:28.680 unnecessarily divides us

01:59:30.520 here.

01:59:31.520 We all want the same

01:59:32.280 things.

01:59:32.680 We want to have more

01:59:33.520 natural areas.

01:59:34.620 We want to have a high

01:59:35.540 energy life because that's

01:59:36.720 a prosperous life and we

01:59:38.740 want to reduce pollution.

01:59:39.940 Only nuclear can do the

01:59:42.200 things.

01:59:43.000 And so I do think that

01:59:44.100 we'll get over these fears

01:59:45.480 in a sense, 75 years since

01:59:47.640 the creation of nuclear

01:59:48.740 energy seems like a long

01:59:50.700 time, but when you realize

01:59:52.380 that nuclear is what's

01:59:53.380 going to power human

01:59:54.140 civilization for thousands

01:59:55.480 of years, I think it's

01:59:57.480 understandable that it's

01:59:58.540 taken a while for us to

01:59:59.580 get our heads around this

02:00:00.540 revolutionary technology.

02:00:03.120 Michael, thank you for

02:00:04.240 being on the program.

02:00:05.320 Thank you for clearing this

02:00:06.300 up.

02:00:06.660 And I really respect your

02:00:08.900 point of view, especially

02:00:10.640 on this and your honesty on

02:00:12.180 Michael Schellenberger.

02:00:14.680 You can find him at

02:00:16.520 environmentalprogress.org.

02:00:24.400 I want to talk to you about

02:00:25.720 Goldline.

02:00:26.860 Last night, I was with a lot

02:00:30.480 of financial people and we

02:00:32.760 towards the end talked about

02:00:34.600 owning physical gold.

02:00:37.340 And one of them said to me,

02:00:39.400 are you still a believer in

02:00:40.700 gold?

02:00:41.280 And I said, oh, yeah.

02:00:42.780 And I know I get a lot of

02:00:43.720 heat.

02:00:43.980 And they're like, no, no, no,

02:00:44.960 no.

02:00:45.320 Well, I'm a believer as well.

02:00:47.760 Goldline, I've been a customer

02:00:48.980 of theirs for over 10 years.

02:00:50.980 And there is there is

02:00:54.020 something to be said for the

02:00:56.420 financial security that you

02:00:58.660 have when you own physical

02:01:00.400 gold.

02:01:00.860 There is something to your

02:01:02.620 state of mind that changes

02:01:04.280 because, you know, you're not

02:01:06.460 you don't have an asset that

02:01:07.580 is paper in a stock market

02:01:09.220 that could crash and you

02:01:10.200 could lose everything.

02:01:11.300 You know that gold is always

02:01:12.860 going to be worth something.

02:01:14.900 And gold is is creeping up

02:01:17.740 again.

02:01:18.120 I don't know the latest, but

02:01:20.440 it is it's been creeping up

02:01:22.080 for the last few weeks and

02:01:23.820 been moving in the right

02:01:25.320 direction.

02:01:25.800 If you're an investor, I

02:01:27.460 don't buy it as an investment.

02:01:28.720 I buy it as an insurance

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02:01:34.180 honestly say to yourself that

02:01:36.000 the the world is more sane

02:01:38.940 than it was last year, you

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02:02:10.560 So last night I was having a

02:02:12.620 dinner with 12 people.

02:02:14.180 We call it jokingly call it a

02:02:15.680 conspiracy dinner and we have

02:02:18.280 it in a basement of a

02:02:19.140 restaurant here in Manhattan

02:02:20.720 and and you just have to be a

02:02:24.820 smart individual and a

02:02:27.340 conservative.

02:02:28.200 Well, last night we had two

02:02:30.240 people who are new to the

02:02:32.560 conservative movement.

02:02:33.360 They have they have kind of

02:02:34.760 shed their liberal skin because

02:02:36.400 they have seen what's coming.

02:02:38.720 The last question I asked was

02:02:40.220 how do you think Trump's going

02:02:41.580 to fare in the next election?

02:02:42.900 The liberal people said

02:02:45.620 landslide because they've seen

02:02:48.660 the unhappiness of of the people

02:02:54.480 that they're surrounded by with

02:02:56.480 their field and and how crazy

02:02:58.540 it's getting.

02:02:59.160 And they they both said

02:03:00.560 landslide nine out of the 12

02:03:02.680 people there said landslide and

02:03:05.420 it varied from I think it could be

02:03:08.100 to absolute historic landslide.

02:03:13.060 It was a it was a pretty

02:03:14.620 invigorating debate last night

02:03:17.280 and discussion.

02:03:17.900 You're listening to Glenn Beck.

02:03:20.300 you're listening to Glenn Beck.

02:03:23.060 You're listening to Glenn Beck.

02:03:24.580 This is Hidrook golf cake.

02:03:27.140 You're listening to Glenn Beck.

02:03:28.360 You're listening to Glenn Beck.

02:03:31.620 Spartan in Britisheks.

02:03:32.160 He's listening to Glenn Beck.

02:03:34.220 A gospel żeby horror'

02:03:36.980 betweenergs.

02:03:39.020 By the way.

02:03:41.100 The show...

02:03:42.960 He's listening to Glenn Beck.

02:03:43.880 He's listening to Glenn Beck.

02:03:44.900 I'm listening to Glenn Beck.

02:03:45.740 And I'm listening to Glenn Beck.

02:03:47.260 Oh, man, I'm listening to Glenn Beck.

The Glenn Beck Program - July 09, 2019

The Big Pay Back Is Here ｜ Guests： Dave Isay & Michael Shellenberger ｜ 7⧸9⧸19

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