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00:03:40.120There are still court challenges that are going on as we speak.
00:03:45.480January 6th is being circled as a date.
00:03:47.660Will the U.S. Congress step in as it's permitted to do, as it did for Thomas Jefferson in the election of 1800?
00:03:57.040You have Louie Gohmert, the Texas congressman, is suing the Republican congressman, is suing the Republican vice president of the United States to try and get him to use the powers that he has overseeing the electoral college.
00:04:11.420I mean, this is still an ongoing story for a lot of people in our audience.
00:04:19.520And at some point, though, the story is going to end.
00:14:02.520Steve, I mean, look, they all have the same theme.
00:14:06.380What would happen if you were governed by the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks and they got into pretty, you know, pretty tough tussles there?
00:14:30.020We don't have a seat at the table to air any of our grievances, to redress any of those grievances, whether it's corona fascism, whether it's grown crime, whether it's debt, dependency, socialism.
00:14:49.400And I think that is our challenge into 2021 to create that team, to get on the map, to get some sort of representation in some part of the country where our views could get there just airing.
00:15:06.360That is our challenge, and I know I sound pretty dark with that, but I think because we've hit rock bottom, perhaps there's nowhere to go but up from here.
00:15:18.820What one word would you use to describe where we as conservatives stand heading into the new year, and why did you choose that one?
00:15:24.660Fear is what I would choose, and the one word that I would use to describe where conservatives are and what their current political predicament is.
00:15:36.000And fear, I believe, is what has governed the conservative movement for far too long.
00:15:41.720It's why we're locked into this really abusive relationship with the Republican Party.
00:15:48.040Now, I don't mean fear as being any time you vote for a Republican.
00:15:56.100If you voted for a Republican because you want the government off of your back, at least the federal government, off your back while you go local, if you will, that's not fear.
00:16:07.660What fear is, fear, making fear-based decisions makes you vote for Mitt Romney after John McCain instead of just saying no, get a better nominee.
00:16:21.020So those types of things, I think, are why we are where we are right now, and it ties into what we'll be talking about in a little bit as well.
00:16:29.000But I think as long as we're making decisions based out of fear of what the left will do, and by all means, what they want to do to this country is very fearful, is very fearsome.
00:16:41.520So I don't mean that to mitigate them, but as long as we keep thinking that Republicans are going to be the savior, the solution, to me, that's making a fear-based decision.
00:16:54.260So I think it's just rife with fear right now.
00:17:24.420We're not necessarily talking about Republicans.
00:17:26.360There's – Texas now is increasingly less conservative, and yes, it's still obviously dominated by Republicans, but we're talking recently about the state of Texas being in play.
00:17:37.700In this – getting a team on the field, this is not even a game, even if we have a team, we can win because the premises are all wrong.
00:17:49.300We can't aspire to win this at the federal level because conservative doesn't believe all the major themes are supposed to be solved at the federal level.
00:17:59.080Conservative needs to plant flags in particular states, take back ground.
00:18:04.720You can't have public universities in conservative states like the University of Texas that are just as liberal as anywhere else.
00:18:32.800We'll come back taking a look at the state of play for conservatives heading into 2021 next on the Glenn Beck Program.
00:18:40.900Continuing to take a look at the state of play politically heading into 2021, especially for those of us who call ourselves conservatives.
00:18:51.120We are the crew from the Steve Dace Show filling in for Glenn Beck here today on the Glenn Beck Program.
00:18:56.060That's me, Steve Dace, Aaron McIntyre, Todd Erzin.
00:18:58.360And for our roundtable conversation today, we had to get a very special guest, the prophet of woe and lamentation, our colleague here at the Blaze and Conservative Review, Daniel Horowitz.
00:19:08.860So, gentlemen, I wanted to start with kind of an elevator pitch questioning, you know, get the temperature in the room amongst the three of you, where you guys all think we are as a movement from a big picture perspective.
00:19:47.100Yeah, I believe the election was stolen.
00:19:49.700And just as an aside very quickly, I don't believe that there is some globalist conspiracy.
00:19:55.960Don't attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by programming, meaning progressive secular programming.
00:20:02.800And take away all of the witness affidavits, take away the Kragen, take away Dominion voting theories and the corporate structure like you mentioned yesterday, Steve.
00:20:14.400Just look at the statistical anomalies and the incongruence of those statistical anomalies.
00:20:19.780Why wasn't the same trend line in Milwaukee and Philadelphia present in St. Louis and Dallas or Houston?
00:20:28.700And that is enough for me to say, you know what, this stinks to high heaven.
00:20:33.880So, yes, I believe the election was stolen and there's not going to be anything done about it.
00:20:38.620Because as we've said multiple times on our own show, the Steve Day show, this is not a nation of laws and it never has been.
00:20:48.720It's a nation of will, a political will, and it always will be.
00:20:52.560And I don't think there's enough, at least amongst the people who are charged or have the ability to do something about it, there's not enough political will.
00:21:17.800Well, Aaron's answer is as likely as anything else.
00:21:22.020And that being the case, the answer is no, nothing is going to happen.
00:21:25.160But I would simply say, and this isn't a doubt, I don't know.
00:21:29.800No matter how badly Trump did or did not get screwed, the case was incumbent upon him to make a case.
00:21:38.740And if anything, I think he's muddied the waters in many respects.
00:21:42.760Others, perhaps, have clarified, but it was on him and his campaign to do so.
00:21:47.800We said from the beginning, and we said about other issues, we can't care about this more than him.
00:21:51.660And the way they've gone about trying to bring clarity to this right out of the gate when you don't have three years like you did with Flynn.
00:21:59.540As you've said, Steve, you were on the clock and you had to be good at this out of the gate.
00:22:06.060And honestly, the best case scenario may be Aaron being right.
00:22:11.740But in terms of going to the first question, conservatives just getting screwed out of this and realizing you can't keep playing this game as conservatives and Republicans and think you're not ultimately going to get shafted.
00:22:24.240Where they get to make all the rules, decide all the laws.
00:22:26.520Count all the votes, determine what a vote is, name every term.
00:22:30.600You can't win a game like that, is what you're saying.
00:22:33.140Yeah, so maybe this is the slap in the face everybody needs to start doing things differently.
00:22:40.220I'm not going to hold my breath on that.
00:22:42.320But the way everything has been going, and quite frankly, let's face it, the other reason I don't know is it's really if Biden won legitimately, no matter how close it was, he should be the president of the United States.
00:22:53.340One thing I definitely fear is that there's probably just as many people on the right as the left that could care less about what reality is, and they just want what they want.
00:23:02.100And we all go down a very ugly rabbit hole if that's our bottom line.
00:23:06.020That happens, though, when you're in a schism as a people.
00:23:41.700Because it appears we're watching, you know, I've compared this to the Avignon papacy on our daily show.
00:23:48.300It appears you're watching a schism play itself out in real time.
00:23:52.620And when both sides of a schism realize that they can't or don't want to live with one another anymore, then it reshapes your view of the reality, as you just put it.
00:24:05.940Look, mechanically, as Aaron said, of course the election was stolen.
00:24:10.080And if you even discount any questions about dominion and electronic fraud, if you just look at the election law fraud, meaning the ballots that were cast not pursuant to law, and then the ballot fraud, which is kind of the middle ground.
00:24:24.440And those are the dead voters voting, the non-citizens voting.
00:24:28.660But based on what the Nevada Republican Party confirmed, Georgia, it's been confirmed.
00:24:33.980You just look at Ken Paxton's lawsuit, 15, 20 pages, everyone focused on the standing issue, but he laid out just clearly just from the election law fraud.
00:24:43.880That's the attorney general from Texas, Ken Paxton, by the way.
00:24:49.520If you look at the margin of victories and you add up the anomalies, incongruencies, the rejection rates of those millions of extra mail-in ballots that weren't cast pursuant to law,
00:25:00.900there's no question that based on the laws duly passed by the 50 states, Donald Trump came out ahead.
00:25:08.400The question is by how much, where, but it was clearly enough in my mind.
00:25:12.740But again, I think as everyone's saying, the theme for today is what we're doing is not working, and we need to look beyond that because, frankly, everything's been rigged against us.
00:25:23.860This is the year of the COVID data fraud, when the motorcycle deaths are COVID deaths and the flu has disappeared.
00:25:31.500Oh, and by the way, your constitutional rights have disappeared.
00:25:34.620The governing fraud is even greater than the election fraud.
00:25:38.020A lot of people say, hey, Daniel, do you really believe that they could have pulled off something like this?
00:25:43.000And I say, look at what they've done in broad daylight.
00:26:18.640You know, to me, going back to what I said to you, Todd, if you allow one side to pick the rules, change them on the fly, then pick the officials, then get to determine who gets the ball and for how long.
00:26:32.900And they get to do anything they can adjust it at any point in time they want.
00:26:37.000You know, Brian Kemp's on Fox News last night saying, I had to follow the laws of Georgia.
00:32:12.080I don't think it's changed much with Trump.
00:32:14.580It's had some wrinkles over the last four years.
00:32:16.780But it's basically been this way since Reagan and really before Reagan as well.
00:32:21.080It's just the consequences have gotten worse.
00:32:23.260It's an abused spouse where we know they are cheating on us.
00:32:28.300They're cheating on us while they promise us more flowers.
00:32:30.960But we are just too scared to go out in that world alone.
00:32:36.100We are convinced we can't go it alone.
00:32:38.120We cannot live without the Republican Party.
00:32:40.660I grew up in a home that had some of the abuse that you're talking about.
00:32:47.760And, I mean, I, you know, when I got old enough to understand what was going on as a teenager and a young adult, you know, my mom and I would like have conversations.
00:34:38.580All right, back here on the Glenn Beck Program.
00:34:44.520The crew here from the Steve Dace Show, noon to 2 Eastern, right after Glenn here on Blaze TV each broadcast day.
00:34:49.800That's me, Steve Dace, Todd Erz, and Aaron McIntyre.
00:34:52.520We have a special guest with us today for our roundtable conversation on the state of conservatism and politics heading into 2021.
00:35:00.380He is our prophet of woe and lamentation around here at the Blaze.
00:35:04.040Our colleague, Daniel Horowitz, joins us.
00:35:05.800And before we move on to the next question, I think we have a loop we have to close on the question we posed right before the end of the last hour.
00:35:14.180Because I know a lot of you that are listening today, how you feel is this.
00:35:20.960The Republican Party, if I don't vote Republican, I will drown.
00:35:27.820And yet, if I do vote Republican, no one will save me from drowning.
00:36:06.760And over the course of time, I learned that the only party that hates people like me more than the Democrats are the Republicans.
00:36:14.420Because they feel like they have to at least feign catering to people like us when they really like most of them to be up there pillaging and plundering the countryside for their groups of special interests.
00:36:27.640Every bit as much as the Democrats do.
00:36:29.960And they really don't want to get involved in any of these culture war issues because they don't care.
00:36:34.960And if they either don't care or most of them actually agree with Democrats more than us.
00:36:39.200And yet, in the 2018 midterms, I did something I had not done in over a decade.
00:37:06.260I recognize the Visigoths are coming over the wall.
00:37:10.020So while I don't think the Republicans are the centurions coming to save us, I'm happy to just throw their carcasses between me and them to give me some time to figure out what else can we possibly do.
00:37:25.540See, I think the problem we have here is we're not nimble as conservatives.
00:37:33.100That we have cornered ourselves with a binary choice that for a long time it didn't exist.
00:37:44.300But we so cornered ourselves with it that we created a self-fulfilling prophecy that now it kind of does.
00:40:23.060Instead, though, what we've done, yeah.
00:40:23.800Instead, what we have done is we have decided that because the Democrats are Marxists, that must mean my completely emasculated, limp-wristed, low-T-level, corporate prostitute Republican must now suddenly be Moses.
00:40:39.220Or he's Captain America, George Washington, crossed the Delaware on his way to coming, you know, to my Lions Club meeting and speaking for 15 minutes and then ejecting because he was busy or something.
00:41:02.500I've talked about this before, but never on Glenn's show.
00:41:06.520Prior to when a lot of you got to know who I was and I was an up-and-coming, plucky, conservative commentator, I was contributing on MSNBC as a token conservative.
00:41:17.560I probably did over 50 panels on MSNBC over several years.
00:41:30.020The one issue, though, I don't ever remember us debating.
00:41:33.020They never were fretting whether the more moderate Democrat was going to win the primary or whether the pro-life Democrat might win and then could they still support them in the general.
00:41:48.000Because whether you elect a Democrat to the U.S. Senate in Louisiana, I guarantee in Louisiana, or you elect him in California, they're all voting the same.
00:42:46.260We have given the Republican Party, frankly, more grace and allegiance than we've given the vast majority of our churches and, frankly, our own families.
00:42:53.860We have excused away behavior and betrayals from people with the magic R after their name.
00:42:59.340And he won the primary, Abraham, and it was bestowed upon him the magic R, and therefore it was credited to him righteousness.
00:43:06.460We have taken stuff from grown-ass adults, lies right to our face, because they had the R after their name we wouldn't take from our own young children.
00:43:16.720This is why we're in the predicament that we are in.
00:44:11.600Let me talk about this again really quick.
00:44:13.260I mean, we had a fun show yesterday looking at things from a meta level, philosophically, morally, spiritually, theologically.
00:44:21.020And used two of my books, A Nefarious Carol and A Nefarious Plot, to kind of be the launching pads for those conversations.
00:44:29.680We had huge response to those shows and huge response to those two books.
00:44:34.980So, I wanted to say thank you to all of you very much, doing your part to make sure that the three days children do indeed get a Christmas next year.
00:44:45.640So, you can still get your copies as we speak right now over at Amazon.com and A Nefarious Carol and A Nefarious Plot.
00:44:52.760But let's continue on talking politics, shall we, with the roundtable question.
00:44:57.120Thank you guys for indulging me for a few minutes there.
00:44:59.180I just felt like we had to kind of close that loop, because I can almost hear a portion of the audience in the corner of my ear protesting.
00:45:14.920And Daniel Horowitz, our prophet of woe and lamentation, I'll start with you.
00:45:18.880What's the biggest issue or issues you believe facing conservatives in 2021?
00:45:23.360So, Steve, this time last year, had you asked me that question, I would have given you the traditional litany of issues.
00:45:31.680But I don't think it's an exaggeration at this juncture in history to say we are repeating August 1st, 1776, a couple weeks after Sam Adams himself signed the Declaration of Independence.
00:45:44.660He spoke before the Pennsylvania legislature in Philly, and he said, our contest is not only whether we ourselves shall be free, but whether there shall be left to mankind in asylum on earth for civil and religious liberty.
00:46:03.700I mean, whether we could walk around without a Chinese diaper on our nose and mouth, whether business owners could not go to jail simply for earning a living.
00:46:18.420I mean, these are serious things that I think we've almost become desensitized.
00:46:36.720The story of 2020 was this two-tier justice system that if you're BLM in Antifa, if you're a violent gangster with a rap sheet, you get let out of jail.
00:46:49.460But if you're a business owner, a single mom in Minnesota opening up a business, her gymnastics class and her restaurant, you get threatened with jail time.
00:47:00.460And in fact, the very virus that was used as a pretext to empty the jails by 40, 50 percent in most cities is now being used as an excuse to put you and I in those jails.
00:47:18.620If you're a meth addict who once pointed a gun at a pregnant woman's stomach and you got murdered by a cop, you can have 75 funerals on national TV all over the country.
00:47:29.660But if one of those people we let out of those prison cells that you talked about, Daniel, if they murdered your loved one, you can't have a funeral for them.
00:47:36.680Is that the two-tiered system you're talking about?
00:47:53.720And speaking of Sam Adams, he always said, and the colonists have the right to defend themselves because otherwise you don't have those aforementioned three rights.
00:48:21.740Republicans control 24 trifectas, really 25 if you include Kentucky because the Republican legislature could override everything the governor does.
00:48:31.900They have 31 legislative bodies they control.
00:48:34.600The question is, OK, this is not Biden.
00:53:03.840Daniel Horowitz is here with us as well.
00:53:05.760We're kind of doing a roundtable, big picture conversation about the state of play for conservatives heading into 2021.
00:53:12.180All right, next question I want us to tackle.
00:53:14.980Gentlemen, if Trump does indeed leave office on January the 20th and Joe Biden is sworn in, as it appears right now, that's going to happen, barring some kind of a miracle.
00:53:24.160How will the former president, the then former president, Donald Trump, how will he continue to impact the conservative movement, conservative media?
00:53:38.680Well, the influence is going to be massive because what we're going to be viewing, at least in the near term, is the great martyrdom of Donald Trump.
00:53:49.760Now, I have a complicated relationship with him.
00:53:51.840Before 2020, full disclosure, I had no plans on voting for him.
00:53:56.880I just, even with the good he did bring to the table, a populist flair that I think is important to follow through on, I just didn't think he was that great at his job.
00:54:09.620And then 2020 came, and the all-in on dystopia from the left.
00:54:16.000Listen, I've got to go with this guy, and I do so unapologetically.
00:54:20.720And I say that in the last four years, even when I think he didn't do his job well, he has been treated as unfairly as any American president in history.
00:54:44.260So we've got the great martyrdom that he's going to capitalize on.
00:54:47.720And what that's going to continue to do is the left is going to be obsessed with it, and then conservatives and people of the right are going to be, yeah, this is awesome.
00:54:56.280So we've seen this before in many ways.
00:54:59.360What I wish would happen, that's going to be good some days.
00:55:03.320What I wish would happen is that he would just go away because the good things that he brought to the table, somebody needs to fill that vacuum.
00:55:11.440And we may as well get on with who that somebody is and how good they can be at it.
00:55:19.920I think the most natural thing here for Trump is assuaging his own, let's just face it, you don't get to be where he is right now without having some need for attention and being asked questions.
00:55:35.780And just, again, getting a lot of attention.
00:55:39.840So I think the most natural path for Trump is to partner or start his own media network to try to destroy Fox News because there is a lot of bad blood there, at least post-election.
00:55:53.580I think that would be the most natural path because he would be killing two birds with one stone.
00:55:58.200He'd be getting all of the attention that he would like to have from the media, from his own media outlet.
00:56:05.200I think that would be overall a good thing because for so many years that network has been the gatekeeper of Republican politics in this country.
00:56:17.800If you can't get on Fox News, you're going to have a really tough time in a Republican primary anywhere.
00:56:23.520So I think that's the most natural path for him is going on to some media venture and trying to destroy Fox News.
00:56:31.440Now, how would I like him to impact the conservative movement or media?
00:56:37.440Well, destroying Fox News would be a good start.
00:56:43.720So whatever venture that would be would, I think, would take the place of Kingmaker where you have to go kiss Trump's ring instead of the Murdochs.
00:56:50.940So I think I think I would like that the most, I don't know, likely or conceivable way for him to impact the conservative movement is to do all he can to disrupt the Republican Party and or destroy certain factions or the whole thing of the Republican Party.
00:57:12.300That would be what I would like him to do.
00:57:28.760He is de facto speaker, representative for 70 million Americans.
00:57:34.660I think the Mitt Romneys of the world, I think the rhinos of the world don't really understand or realize that they're going to have to reckon with that for for the foreseeable future.
00:57:46.160They don't realize that he's probably more dangerous to them in the general population than he is sitting at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
00:57:51.800They think that him just leaving means he's leaving.
00:57:58.600Because sitting in there, as we just saw again this week, the pressure to get a deal done sitting in that seat, right in the White House.
00:58:07.720But just sitting on his Twitter account or whatever platform he creates for himself.
00:58:11.800He doesn't have any pressure to get any deal done and he can just call out all of the deals they're trying to get done and expose them to a lot more sunlight than they otherwise would.
00:59:10.460I mean, Steve, you talk about the binary choice.
00:59:14.440This this just impasse that we've been at for for decades with what to do.
00:59:19.580This man could single handedly change that.
00:59:22.300Now, look, there's no shortcut to properly building that Boy Scout fire with, you know, having people at a county level dealing with conservative politics in the right way, pressuring and removing Republicans starting bottom up until eventually we reach a federal level.
00:59:38.180But this man, like you mentioned, could upend the Republican Party.
00:59:42.860He could be more powerful than he was his president.
00:59:45.500He could be more powerful than Joe Biden.
00:59:47.280If I had one audience with him, I would say primaries, baby.
01:13:44.880They're not going to pass the new Green Deal.
01:13:47.120They're just going to have the Department of Interior say you need to do X, Y, and Z in order to do fracking, which is ostensibly never doing it.
01:13:56.440And Republicans are never going to use that 51 rhino majority in the Senate to go and force a budget battle over those issues because they didn't do it when they had all three branches or two.
01:14:11.000So they're certainly not going to do it with one.
01:14:14.680So I just wanted people to understand mechanically what I mean when I say it doesn't make a difference who wins those Senate seats.
01:14:21.760Here's where I largely agree with your analysis, and the only reason I don't totally agree with it is because I'm already hypercynical, and I'm afraid of what would happen to me if I allow myself to go from 9.75 to the 10 that you are at.
01:14:39.080So that's my own self-defense mechanism.
01:14:42.680But here's where I do think it matters.
01:14:45.980Don't you think the outcome next Tuesday validates or verifies one way or the other the presidential voter fraud claims?
01:14:56.460I mean, if yes, if if Trump if if the two Republicans win those seats, then doesn't that hurt the cause that those of us that are saying, hey, look at the anomalies and doesn't it actually bolster the cause of some of our friends who are conservative and don't think there's voter fraud because they just think that Trump uniquely drove out a vote opposed to him because of his persona.
01:15:17.260Doesn't it help their cause anecdotally, at least in that case, on the other hand, if if if if they do that, but they do it again, doesn't it point to what we are saying?
01:15:29.760You see what I'm trying to say, Daniel?
01:15:30.800Doesn't doesn't the outcome one way or the other provide some anecdotal confirmation about the dueling narratives of this presidential election?
01:15:38.620Absolutely, because the biggest exculpatory claim against voter fraud is to say, no, the reason why Republicans never lost a single House seat, despite losing the presidential election, is just this large dichotomy between suburban white voters around big metro areas like, you know, in Fulton County.
01:16:01.000Their attitude towards Trump versus their desire that Democrats in general don't win because they don't agree with the Democrats because they're too radical.
01:16:11.320I think I think that will really shed a lot of light on it.
01:16:14.620I mean, don't Democrats, therefore, on the other hand, feel pressured to run the exact if we're right that they ballot harvested in a county like Fulton County.
01:16:22.000Don't they feel pressure, therefore, then to run that exact scheme back in this Senate runoff?
01:16:27.100Otherwise, it it kind of gets pointed out that the other way, too, doesn't it?
01:16:36.900Well, it looks like they've already done that.
01:16:39.320If you look at the early voting numbers, I just think that's an angle to this that's probably not been discussed enough because there's so much talk about the focus on whether the power goes to the Senate or not.
01:16:50.320And listen, a week from now, Democrats could have total control in Washington.
01:16:55.980But, man, I know and you and I agree they will pursue that regardless of what their margins are with reckless abandon.
01:17:02.700But you don't have to alienate too many people to get a massive comeuppance in the next election when you have the smallest, that would be the smallest House majority in 80 years, potentially a 50-50 Senate that Kamala Harris is breaking a tie with.
01:17:20.700And then a presidential election where 75 million people feel like they got disenfranchised.
01:17:25.360I mean, the level of backlash that you could face with those kinds of scant majorities in the way you govern in the next election could be monumental.
01:17:34.640But we'll talk about that in the future.
01:17:36.560All right, Todd and Aaron, I want to get you guys' take on this and the Georgia Senate runoff when we come back.
01:17:42.220How does that result next Tuesday change the paradigm, the landscape, one way or the other?
01:17:46.800I'm really tracking with Daniel in his answer because I was actually going to say, you know, you really have to have 50, I think, 92 to 8, really.
01:17:56.800You've got to have 92 Republican senators to 8 to really make a difference.
01:18:02.540So I'm tracking with him because I don't want this to sound nihilistic at all.
01:18:13.840My goodness, it really doesn't matter at the end of the day because I'd like to introduce you to Obama's pen and phone and a willing bureaucracy and let's call it a deep state who willingly carries out the edicts.
01:18:29.060Unless maybe by some chance they go to the Supreme Court rule where John Roberts will once again change the definition of what words are.
01:18:41.320There's no doubt, as was mentioned in the previous segment, it doesn't really matter if Democrats have control of either chamber of Congress.
01:18:53.600Now, it helps grease the skids of where they want to take the country.
01:18:58.960But at the end of the day, it really doesn't matter because they're going to do it by hook or by crook.
01:19:04.840So I really don't think it changes the political landscape.
01:19:08.740By all means, though, I mean, if you want to see gridlock, if you want that chance to see gridlock, which is basically what this is a vote for, by all means vote.
01:19:17.800But it's not really going to change the landscape all that much.
01:19:21.260It has a chance to slow things down, but changing the landscape, not so much.
01:19:27.200I chuckled yesterday when Biden was complaining he wasn't getting the proper foreign policy and Defense Department briefings for a presidential transition.
01:19:37.940So he's basically behind the eight ball from an information standpoint.
01:19:41.660I'm like, come on now, because based on what we all have been watching on CNN for the last few years, it looks like the Biden campaign and the Pentagon and the State Department, it looks like the intelligence community, it looks to us like they've actually been quite cozy and friendly and informing one another on a nightly basis, in fact.
01:20:02.920Well, we all know it's true as much as it hurts.
01:20:04.960But like I said, the best case scenario to what I want is reality, even if it hurts.
01:20:09.920And I said earlier, the best case for this election is to have it actually be stolen for us to know it and to wake up and realize why and what we need to be do differently.
01:20:20.320I mean, it was stolen in Georgia, of all places.
01:20:26.960And if that means also the Senate needs to be lost, because right now, even in the face of everything we've seen in 2020, Steve and I talk about this all the time.
01:23:25.860Then go to state legislature and governor.
01:23:29.020And what's going to happen is one of two things.
01:23:31.260Either we will finally take over the Republican Party, or it will reach a point of no return where we will now have a strong enough infrastructure movement to easily start a third party, which will become that second party, and collapse the other side.
01:23:48.320But time is of the essence, and we have to act now.
01:23:52.940Because as C.S. Lewis warned, those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own consciousness.
01:24:04.340And that's what they're doing with corona fascism.
01:24:06.780It will not end unless we make it end, and that's going to happen at a local level.
01:24:12.260When you say, Daniel, there aren't any red states, what do you mean by that?
01:24:18.900I mean that there is no state that Republicans have control of everything, and the governance, not just related to stuff we cared about 50 years ago, but even relating to the most pressing issues of our time, like letting criminals out of jail and locking up Americans in corona fascism.
01:24:40.120We don't have a single state that is nearly as red as California is blue, or even a fraction as red.
01:24:47.360Wyoming, there's two Democrats left in the state Senate.
01:25:11.240And look, if we could have three, five, seven states where we could have an asylum for civil and religious liberty, I'll take that over zero.
01:25:19.660I think Florida is going to be the Megiddo state of 2021, Daniel.
01:25:27.940I think you're watching Ron DeSantis is essentially going to launch a full frontal assault on COVID stand from his state in 2021.
01:25:37.420And, you know, we spent a lot of time last hour talking about if Trump is out of the White House next year, what does that look like for him?
01:25:44.740And we all agreed to various points that he would dominate the narrative from a messaging and branding standpoint.
01:25:51.140But on the policy side of things, Ron DeSantis is going to be the face of the loyal opposition, I believe, next year.
01:25:59.260And you can already see it the way the media is covering and lying about Florida like they did Sweden all of this year.
01:26:04.040It's going to be Ron DeSantis versus the world next year.
01:26:07.220And it looks to me like that's a fight that he actually is picking.
01:26:38.780I want to thank our good friend and colleague here at The Blaze and Conservative Review, Daniel Horowitz, for joining us here today on the Glenn Beck Program.
01:26:46.820Hopefully you enjoyed a little pre-New Year's revelry, otherwise known as his unique brand of woe and lamentation.
01:26:54.860We are the crew from The Steve Dace Show, filling in for Glenn Beck here for another 25 minutes or so on stations around the country.
01:27:01.300That's me, Steve Dace, Todd Erzin, Aaron McIntyre.
01:27:04.140And, men, we've been doing kind of this roundtable conversation on the state of play for conservatives and conservatism and conservative media heading into the new year.
01:27:14.060And the final question that we're going to tackle today, we just got Daniel's answer, and I kind of cleared the deck.
01:27:19.620I wanted to give him ample time to give it.
01:27:21.320So, now it's the three of us, our turn.
01:27:26.640If we had, and we've got a pretty sizable audience every day on The Blaze, and a pretty sizable audience right here, even in a holiday week on, you know, one of the most successful talk radio programs of all time, the Glenn Beck Program.
01:27:39.160But if we could get to everybody that we're not tuned in with us right now, everybody that doesn't have us on right now, if we could talk to all conservatives in America right now, what would we say, Todd?
01:27:53.260Well, you're right about Governor DeSantis.
01:27:55.480But as we've talked about on our show before, Florida is the 400-pound gorilla in the room, so that spotlight is there no matter what.
01:28:08.380I would talk to everybody else about making sure the spotlight finds you in your own place.
01:28:19.980We're way beyond confabs and book signings.
01:28:22.760It's about what can you do in your own backyard.
01:28:25.860So, while not everybody can be DeSantis, you can be Christy Ngo.
01:28:31.160What she has manufactured in South Dakota, and listen, I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt that it's all real, okay, that this isn't some kind of grift.
01:28:43.140But you'll recall, and I don't even remember what the issues are, Steve.
01:28:46.560Maybe you do, but back when he was in Congress, there was some concern.
01:28:59.560It wasn't that, you know, you were like, oh, she's stabbing me in the back, but you were kind of like, this really, it wasn't anything really special.
01:29:06.900Well, here in this moment, she figured out how to grab opportunity by the horns and move hearts and minds to the point people are seriously thinking of South Dakota as a place they would move to.
01:29:35.340And moving with our feet, Steve, you've been talking about this for a long time.
01:29:38.400I'm like, why do you still live there if you're a conservative in California?
01:29:41.540You need to own those realities and make places like South Dakota or if not in Iowa, Missouri, places like Oklahoma, what can we, even if we're defaulting towards right now, how can we make this lock solid?
01:30:00.960And it goes to speaks to what Daniel said, all you conservatives that never think about running for school board, you run for school board.
01:30:07.960You need to get involved at every level of government, board of regents.
01:30:12.680Why in God's name is the University of Texas a liberal institution in any way, shape or form?
01:30:30.380You went to Washington, you had ideas of, you watched West Wing, it inspired you, you thought you could make a difference, it chewed you up and spit you out.
01:30:39.340Well, take the opportunities where you can to actually make a difference by being uncompromising, realizing your enemy is just as vicious there at your local school board often as they are in Washington, D.C.
01:30:52.220But you have a hundred times greater chance of winning there.
01:30:56.180That's why I chose the school district.
01:31:24.300He's the first senator to go on the record saying, I mean, Tommy Tuberville, the incoming senator in Alabama, the former football coach, has intimated he's thought about it.
01:31:33.000But Josh Hawley at Missouri is the first to go on the record saying he will object to the electors as a U.S. senator.
01:31:39.860That's going to force them to vote on it, right?
01:32:17.580And then after that, he proceeded to do a variety of test pilot operations, including being the first human being to break the sound barrier.
01:32:29.300But you hear stories like General Yeager's.
01:32:33.300I'm sure there's somebody in your family, whether it's a grandpa or a great grandpa, maybe they told stories of being in wars previously, World War II.
01:32:44.320And it's just a different brand of man, a different variety of man than what we see right now.
01:32:52.360Because you think about the guys, the young men, some of them teenagers, on those Higgins boats headed towards Omaha Beach.
01:33:01.100You think about a dear family friend of mine, Dale Miller, who was awarded the Bronze Star for mapping out South Pacific Japanese-controlled islands by night.
01:33:57.100Don't be afraid of walking into a store without a mask.
01:34:00.140Don't be afraid of opening up your business.
01:34:02.960Don't be afraid of the, of, maybe sometimes, as Todd has talked about in his own, in his own community as well, don't be afraid of confrontation when it's warranted.
01:34:50.060I had to spend a year at Grand Rapids Community College that couldn't get admitted to the school I wanted to go to, the University of Michigan, because my math score on my ACT was abysmally low.
01:35:00.200I once failed the quick trip managerial exam.
01:35:03.880That's a convenience store chain in the Midwest, because I couldn't remember how to add, divide, subtract, and multiply fractions.
01:35:13.540I got kicked out of university when I eventually got in, because I spent too much time playing Super Tecmo Bowl and intramural basketball and not going to any classes.
01:35:23.220The point is, I'm not from some elite family.
01:35:31.600I have taken advantage, though, of the opportunities that this country and the Lord have offered me.
01:35:37.800And I've been a part of the only successful grassroots effort that's ever gotten rid of state Supreme Court justices in American history.
01:35:47.180The two Iowa caucus winners that went from point negative percent to getting the most votes of all time.
01:35:53.940I've helped recruit scores of candidates that have gotten elected to offices in my own state and across the country.
01:36:00.280Meaning that if I can do this, I've done the things that people are talking about here, and if I can do them, the kid born to the 15-year-old mom who ate government cheese, if I can do them, folks, so can you in the audience as well.
01:36:16.120The answer, ladies and gentlemen, the answer is us.
01:37:56.160Data analysis strategy and messaging are kind of the three areas that I help out with when someone's desperate enough to seek out my help in a political operation.
01:38:08.320And one of my, a radio station I grew up listening to, Wood AM in Grand Rapids, Michigan, it's where I grew up as a kid.
01:38:19.360Even though I was born in Iowa, I spent my teenage years in Michigan and that's how I fell in love with all the states, sports teams, go blue.
01:38:28.080You have been lied to in my old home state of Michigan for a long, long time.
01:39:22.520Well, Michigan and Sweden have virtually the same amount of people.
01:39:28.500Michigan has had, as of, as of Monday, 519,876 COVID-19 cases, 12,754 deaths with one of the most lockdown fetishist governors in the country, Gretchen Whitmer.
01:40:03.680In other words, about 140,000 fewer cases, well over 4,000 fewer deaths without anything close to the restriction of freedom that you all have experienced in Michigan.
01:40:18.680And that is just part of what we do every day on our show.
01:40:50.340But we try to, best we can, to give our opinions and commentary based on actual facts and truthful information.
01:40:58.820And as we sign off with our second voyage of filling in for Glenn here over the holidays, and then next week we will return to our more modest corner of the universe.
01:41:08.800If you are looking for an incentive to hang around, if you're a Blaze TV subscriber or you want to become one, and you watch Glenn's show every day, and you want to hang around from noon to 2 Eastern after he's done and the B team comes on, that's what we do, the data.
01:41:25.680And this coming year, already you're getting lied to more than ever before, but now when big pharma, big government, and big tech are going to be virtually indistinguishable from one another, you're going to need as many outlets that will just bravely follow the truth no matter where it goes as you can get.
01:41:50.940So we invite you to come and search for the truth with us.