The Glenn Beck Program - The Future of Conservatism ｜ 12⧸30⧸20

00:00:00.000 What you're about to hear is the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

00:00:08.900 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:00:17.800 A Georgia Senate runoff six days from today.

00:00:24.280 Shortly thereafter, a new Congress will be seated.

00:00:26.920 Less than a month from now, we'll have a presidential inauguration.

00:00:32.860 How might these events change the political paradigm and the state of play?

00:00:39.120 My name is Steve Dace, filling in for Glenn Beck here this morning.

00:00:41.820 We will discuss next.

00:00:44.000 Yes, indeed, we are just as surprised as you are that they allowed us back after yesterday's program.

00:00:50.240 Filling in for Glenn Beck here, Merry Christmas, belatedly.

00:00:53.300 Happy New Year, preemptively, to all of you tuning in today.

00:00:56.200 My name is Steve Dace.

00:00:57.420 I host the show right after Glenn, each broadcast day on Blaze TV from noon to 2 Eastern when I'm not on vacation like I am right now,

00:01:05.280 except I was given the opportunity to come and talk to hundreds of radio stations this morning.

00:01:10.880 So I decided that was worth taking a day away from my vacay.

00:01:13.840 And I brought our daily crew here with us as well.

00:01:16.320 Todd Erzin is here with me, as is our other co-host and show producer, Aaron McIntyre.

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00:02:05.420 And again, the last name is D-E-A-C-E.

00:02:08.620 When we filled in for Glenn last year, we had fun kind of going meta for two days.

00:02:15.980 And we did that yesterday when we filled in on the program.

00:02:20.440 We talked a lot of theology and philosophy on yesterday's show.

00:02:25.180 We got a huge amount of response to it.

00:02:27.880 But I will tell you, the publisher of A Nefarious Carol, my brand new book, they're very pleased because we saw our Amazon ranking absolutely soar yesterday for both A Nefarious Carol and its predecessor, A Nefarious Plot.

00:02:44.000 So thank you to all of you.

00:02:45.680 And yes, you can get your copy as we speak at Amazon.com right now.

00:02:49.040 If you liked what we had to say yesterday as we discussed those two books and what they have to say about where we stand theologically, spiritually, morally, philosophically in America, you can get your copies and leave us a five-star review.

00:03:01.860 We would appreciate that.

00:03:03.260 Today, we're going to do it meta again, but at a different level.

00:03:07.580 We're going to do it politically today.

00:03:11.980 Because it seems as if, I mean, when was the election, guys?

00:03:17.660 Two years ago.

00:03:19.040 It does feel like that, right?

00:03:21.080 November 3rd, correct?

00:03:23.400 That was the election day?

00:03:25.180 Okay.

00:03:25.380 This time?

00:03:25.840 I think it was November 3rd?

00:03:27.380 So that's what?

00:03:27.960 Doing public school math in my head.

00:03:29.640 Today's December 30th.

00:03:31.280 That was 27.

00:03:32.720 57 days ago.

00:03:35.640 57 days ago.

00:03:37.640 And let's face it, it's not over.

00:03:40.120 There are still court challenges that are going on as we speak.

00:03:45.480 January 6th is being circled as a date.

00:03:47.660 Will the U.S. Congress step in as it's permitted to do, as it did for Thomas Jefferson in the election of 1800?

00:03:57.040 You have Louie Gohmert, the Texas congressman, is suing the Republican congressman, is suing the Republican vice president of the United States to try and get him to use the powers that he has overseeing the electoral college.

00:04:11.420 I mean, this is still an ongoing story for a lot of people in our audience.

00:04:19.520 And at some point, though, the story is going to end.

00:04:25.840 Right?

00:04:26.060 At some point, the story is going to end.

00:04:30.300 On January 20th, someone is getting sworn in as president of the United States, right?

00:04:35.440 I don't know.

00:04:38.160 I don't know.

00:04:39.180 Whatevs, dude.

00:04:40.480 Toad's legit, bro.

00:04:41.820 We jumped the alien shark, man, so I just don't know.

00:04:45.360 Okay.

00:04:47.120 Presumably, historically, right?

00:04:50.300 Traditionally, is that good?

00:04:54.160 Someone's getting inaugurated.

00:04:55.860 And someday, in January, we're not really sure, but there will be an event at some point.

00:05:01.680 Tradition and history, all things we love.

00:05:03.480 You're not helping your case, man.

00:05:04.740 No, I know.

00:05:05.420 That's why I started laughing as soon as I started citing those ideals.

00:05:08.640 And so did you.

00:05:09.400 Yes.

00:05:09.760 All right.

00:05:11.120 Ostensibly, potentially.

00:05:13.200 James 4.13, notwithstanding.

00:05:15.080 Yes, exactly.

00:05:17.060 All right.

00:05:18.480 Something's going down.

00:05:20.260 All right.

00:05:21.380 You know the thing.

00:05:22.420 Yeah.

00:05:22.880 Now we're there.

00:05:23.780 You know what I'm saying?

00:05:24.620 Okay.

00:05:26.220 There's going to be a Georgia Senate runoff, allegedly, a week from yesterday, right?

00:05:32.820 Yeah.

00:05:33.260 Okay.

00:05:34.200 And I was doing some reading yesterday on the early voting there.

00:05:37.760 Have you seen the numbers?

00:05:39.240 I haven't seen the up-to-date numbers.

00:05:41.200 I saw the numbers a week ago.

00:05:43.240 They are out of this world, man.

00:05:46.480 Out of this world.

00:05:48.640 Early voting numbers down there.

00:05:50.640 Drop boxes in every backyard.

00:05:52.040 They left them there.

00:05:52.760 Chicken in every pot.

00:05:53.440 They left them there.

00:05:54.660 I mean, they left them there.

00:05:55.760 Stacey Abrams said it was incredible.

00:05:58.360 Yeah.

00:05:58.720 I'm like, incredible.

00:06:00.740 Yeah.

00:06:00.900 Indeed.

00:06:01.700 Indeed.

00:06:02.020 Indeed.

00:06:02.760 So, these events are going to take place.

00:06:07.180 And they will signify a new government.

00:06:11.000 What happens in the Georgia Senate runoff will determine who controls the United States Senate. 0.53

00:06:15.500 And then a couple of weeks later, maybe, I guess, we'll have an inauguration.

00:06:24.460 And if it's an in-person one, you know that it's Donald Trump.

00:06:28.560 And if it's over Zoom and virtual, you'll know it's Joe Biden, right?

00:06:31.980 Yep.

00:06:32.280 Is that fair at least?

00:06:33.080 I think so.

00:06:33.480 Okay.

00:06:33.880 All right.

00:06:34.680 But either way, a new government is coming in here in the next 30 days.

00:06:39.800 And that means the paradigm is going to shift.

00:06:45.720 Or will it?

00:06:48.500 If you're a conservative, we are.

00:06:53.760 Well, we think we are.

00:06:55.640 I mean, when you look at some of the people these days that call themselves conservatives,

00:06:59.040 the three of us look at each other and are like, maybe that's not what we are anymore.

00:07:04.280 Okay?

00:07:04.520 But if you call yourself a conservative, I mean, the root word of any word is what the

00:07:09.620 word means.

00:07:10.460 It means you're trying to conserve.

00:07:12.960 What is it you're trying to conserve?

00:07:15.700 You know, is what Todd would say, the true and the beautiful.

00:07:18.520 I would put it, the things that have been revealed in history, east of Eden, to be what's best for

00:07:26.240 the human condition.

00:07:28.140 Those are the things that cause our God-given potential the best opportunity to flourish,

00:07:35.940 to both love God and love our neighbors, and to use up as much of the God-given potential

00:07:42.120 that he's placed in each one of us as we possibly can.

00:07:45.220 Those are the things we are trying to conserve.

00:07:47.680 Our ability to do so, or how we are going to be able to do so, will be altered within the

00:08:01.020 next month.

00:08:02.920 That is not in dispute.

00:08:05.580 What is in debate is how much and to what end.

00:08:12.060 So over the course of the program here this morning, we're going to have a roundtable conversation.

00:08:15.960 I'm going to be joined by, you know, I've been involved with a lot of campaigns, covered a lot of

00:08:23.020 campaigns in my career.

00:08:24.500 What probably makes me a little different than a lot of other people that do conservative media is I've

00:08:30.000 actually worked in Republican Party politics.

00:08:32.940 I've worked on campaigns.

00:08:34.740 It's been a few years now for me.

00:08:35.980 The last one I worked on was Ted Cruz's presidential campaign as a strategist.

00:08:40.360 But I've done the nuts and bolts operation of this.

00:08:42.800 I've recruited candidates.

00:08:44.600 I've helped them raise money.

00:08:46.760 I've done more than just, which is very important, by the way, but the ideological work that is done in

00:08:53.760 conservative media or the informational work that is done on issues in conservative media, that all is very,

00:09:00.360 very important.

00:09:01.220 But ultimately, it has to apply to practically something.

00:09:05.720 It has to result in something.

00:09:06.940 Otherwise, we're just sitting here and pontificating into the cosmos, right?

00:09:12.380 We want it to end up being something being the result of our pontifications.

00:09:17.640 And I've done that resulting.

00:09:19.820 And so that gives me a little bit different perspective than a lot of the other people that you listen to in

00:09:24.280 conservative media.

00:09:25.660 Well, the gentleman we're going to have with us for part of this conversation today has done as much,

00:09:31.180 if not more than me.

00:09:32.040 He's one of the few people I've met in our industry and in our movement that puts my teeth on edge and makes me

00:09:41.840 nervous about what he's going to say next, as I often do to all the people around me.

00:09:47.660 And frankly, I love that about him because it's the only person I've met in our movement that when I am around

00:09:55.220 them, I now become the good guy.

00:09:58.320 I'm Mr. Reasonable, and I never get to ever be that.

00:10:00.940 I'm the Grim Reaper everywhere I go, but he is the prophet of woe and lamentation.

00:10:06.100 And who doesn't need some of that this time of year, right?

00:10:08.040 Happy New Year.

00:10:08.820 Indeed.

00:10:09.360 So we're going to have a roundtable discussion this morning.

00:10:12.240 What's the state of play for conservatives in America heading into the new year?

00:10:17.440 We are the cleanup follow-up crew to Glenn Beck on Blaze TV each day, noon to 2 Eastern.

00:10:24.020 We're the Steve Dace Show.

00:10:25.040 That would be me, Steve Dace, Aaron McIntyre, Todd Erzin, and we're going to have a roundtable

00:10:29.640 conversation about the state of play for conservatives and conservatism heading into the new year.

00:10:35.400 And of course, we have to have another member of our panel.

00:10:38.040 He is our colleague here at the Blaze and Conservative Review.

00:10:42.120 We have dubbed him the prophet of woe and lamentation.

00:10:45.500 Our good friend, Daniel Horowitz.

00:10:47.740 Good to have you, brother.

00:10:48.800 Happy New Year to you.

00:10:49.980 And good to have you with us here today on the Glenn Beck Show.

00:10:52.820 Happy New Year, Steve and crew.

00:10:54.460 And I guess, Steve, you really don't want to be invited back on Glenn's show next year.

00:11:00.040 You know me.

00:11:01.020 I love to alienate people.

00:11:03.380 It's my spiritual gift, and I go out of my way to do it.

00:11:06.240 And the lack of friends and events on my calendar during this vacation prove just indeed how

00:11:13.400 successful I am at that endeavor, right?

00:11:15.380 I mean, not even Todd and Aaron call me when we're on vacation.

00:11:19.640 They're like, hey, man, we've got to get away from this dude.

00:11:21.880 They were practicing social distancing long before some six-year-old's research paper brought

00:11:26.720 it up and convinced CDC to go with it.

00:11:28.880 So here we are, all right?

00:11:30.200 I've got a series of questions, gentlemen, that I want us to tackle this morning.

00:11:33.920 And I got to thinking before we got on the air today, if I were not a host for Blaze TV

00:11:44.220 or filling in on the Glenn Beck program this morning, but I was involved in conservative

00:11:49.400 politics and my local Republican Party and college Republicans long before I ever got

00:11:55.120 involved in media, all right?

00:11:57.380 And so if I was one of our listeners, one of our viewers, and I'm surveying the new year,

00:12:04.980 and I know that there's a Georgia Senate runoff that's going to determine the balance of power

00:12:08.680 in that chamber, somebody's eventually getting inaugurated somewhere around January 20th for

00:12:13.660 president, even though it's day 57 of the election that won't end and won't satisfy anybody

00:12:20.340 because there's still so many questions we don't have answers to.

00:12:24.260 But eventually, time will move on.

00:12:27.240 And the governing part of this will begin in 2021.

00:12:32.880 And so if I were on the other end of this conversation, if I were tuned in today,

00:12:37.300 live on hundreds of radio stations around the country, or later on on the Glenn Beck podcast,

00:12:41.920 I mean, if I knew that they were going to have a roundtable conversation about where we

00:12:46.700 as conservatives stand, what are the questions I'd want to get answered?

00:12:51.260 And so I'm going to try to ask us as a group today those questions, all right, on behalf

00:12:56.620 of the audience.

00:12:57.560 So Daniel, I'm going to start with you.

00:12:59.120 Let's go with a big picture question.

00:13:03.300 What is one word that you, Daniel, would use to describe the current political predicament

00:13:09.640 for conservatives and why?

00:13:11.960 What's the one word you would choose and why to describe where we are heading into 2021?

00:13:18.120 Well, Steve, given that I have to realize this is no longer the internet that I'm used to.

00:13:23.760 So we are governed by the FCC.

00:13:25.820 So that eliminates certain words.

00:13:29.580 But let's see.

00:13:31.040 Like frolicking.

00:13:31.840 You were going to say frolicking, right?

00:13:33.840 Frolicking, exactly.

00:13:36.820 Let's see.

00:13:37.500 He cheated, disenfranchised, homeless, stateless, masked, muzzled, gagged, silenced, censored,

00:13:46.080 expendable, all around down and out.

00:13:48.900 And already America knows why I dubbed him the prophet of woe and lamentation.

00:13:53.420 I asked for one word.

00:13:55.040 He gave us 28 and they descended in negativity from word three on.

00:14:00.440 But continue your answer.

00:14:01.380 Go ahead, Daniel.

00:14:02.520 Steve, I mean, look, they all have the same theme.

00:14:06.380 What would happen if you were governed by the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks and they got into pretty, you know, pretty tough tussles there? 0.75

00:14:14.600 Well, where does that leave us?

00:14:17.880 And I think it's all of those words put together where we do not have a team.

00:14:22.400 We are disenfranchised.

00:14:24.240 Headed forward, we don't have a leader.

00:14:27.400 We don't have a movement.

00:14:28.640 We don't have a political party.

00:14:30.020 We don't have a seat at the table to air any of our grievances, to redress any of those grievances, whether it's corona fascism, whether it's grown crime, whether it's debt, dependency, socialism.

00:14:44.340 Where is the team on the field?

00:14:47.580 Because I'm not seeing it.

00:14:49.400 And I think that is our challenge into 2021 to create that team, to get on the map, to get some sort of representation in some part of the country where our views could get there just airing.

00:15:06.360 That is our challenge, and I know I sound pretty dark with that, but I think because we've hit rock bottom, perhaps there's nowhere to go but up from here.

00:15:15.520 Okay.

00:15:16.800 Aaron, same question to you.

00:15:18.820 What one word would you use to describe where we as conservatives stand heading into the new year, and why did you choose that one?

00:15:24.660 Fear is what I would choose, and the one word that I would use to describe where conservatives are and what their current political predicament is.

00:15:36.000 And fear, I believe, is what has governed the conservative movement for far too long.

00:15:41.720 It's why we're locked into this really abusive relationship with the Republican Party.

00:15:48.040 Now, I don't mean fear as being any time you vote for a Republican.

00:15:52.940 Self-defense is different than fear.

00:15:56.100 If you voted for a Republican because you want the government off of your back, at least the federal government, off your back while you go local, if you will, that's not fear.

00:16:07.660 What fear is, fear, making fear-based decisions makes you vote for Mitt Romney after John McCain instead of just saying no, get a better nominee.

00:16:18.440 You mean during the primary.

00:16:19.300 During the primaries, yes.

00:16:21.020 So those types of things, I think, are why we are where we are right now, and it ties into what we'll be talking about in a little bit as well.

00:16:29.000 But I think as long as we're making decisions based out of fear of what the left will do, and by all means, what they want to do to this country is very fearful, is very fearsome.

00:16:41.520 So I don't mean that to mitigate them, but as long as we keep thinking that Republicans are going to be the savior, the solution, to me, that's making a fear-based decision.

00:16:54.260 So I think it's just rife with fear right now.

00:16:56.820 Todd?

00:16:59.160 Tumbleweed.

00:16:59.720 Just an inert, formerly alive, now dead thing, blown about by forces, not of its own creation, not of its own will.

00:17:13.860 Just drifting down a vast wasteland.

00:17:16.840 Exactly.

00:17:17.720 Desolate.

00:17:18.620 Because, listen, even in – and I'm using your terms literally.

00:17:23.280 We're talking about conservatives.

00:17:24.420 We're not necessarily talking about Republicans.

00:17:26.360 There's – Texas now is increasingly less conservative, and yes, it's still obviously dominated by Republicans, but we're talking recently about the state of Texas being in play.

00:17:37.700 In this – getting a team on the field, this is not even a game, even if we have a team, we can win because the premises are all wrong.

00:17:49.300 We can't aspire to win this at the federal level because conservative doesn't believe all the major themes are supposed to be solved at the federal level.

00:17:59.080 Conservative needs to plant flags in particular states, take back ground.

00:18:04.720 You can't have public universities in conservative states like the University of Texas that are just as liberal as anywhere else.

00:18:12.020 Because it does not work.

00:18:14.140 It doesn't matter if you have – even have a team because the game is rigged.

00:18:21.060 And the outcome is heads-eye-win-tails-you-lose no matter how you play it.

00:18:25.420 So the only way to win the game is not to play or to play a different game.

00:18:30.200 Exactly.

00:18:30.560 To change the paradigm.

00:18:31.460 Yes.

00:18:31.740 Right?

00:18:32.660 All right.

00:18:32.800 We'll come back taking a look at the state of play for conservatives heading into 2021 next on the Glenn Beck Program.

00:18:40.900 Continuing to take a look at the state of play politically heading into 2021, especially for those of us who call ourselves conservatives.

00:18:51.120 We are the crew from the Steve Dace Show filling in for Glenn Beck here today on the Glenn Beck Program.

00:18:56.060 That's me, Steve Dace, Aaron McIntyre, Todd Erzin.

00:18:58.360 And for our roundtable conversation today, we had to get a very special guest, the prophet of woe and lamentation, our colleague here at the Blaze and Conservative Review, Daniel Horowitz.

00:19:08.860 So, gentlemen, I wanted to start with kind of an elevator pitch questioning, you know, get the temperature in the room amongst the three of you, where you guys all think we are as a movement from a big picture perspective.

00:19:20.140 All right?

00:19:20.520 So let's get granular now and deal with the issue of the moment that a lot of our people are fixated on right this moment.

00:19:27.960 And let's just put it out there.

00:19:29.800 Let's address the elephant in the room.

00:19:32.180 Do you believe this election was stolen?

00:19:35.640 And if you do, I mean, is anybody going to do anything about it that would prevent Joe Biden from being sworn in come January?

00:19:42.440 Why or why not?

00:19:44.880 And Aaron, this time I'm going to start with you.

00:19:46.680 What do you think?

00:19:47.100 Yeah, I believe the election was stolen.

00:19:49.700 And just as an aside very quickly, I don't believe that there is some globalist conspiracy.

00:19:55.960 Don't attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by programming, meaning progressive secular programming.

00:20:02.800 And take away all of the witness affidavits, take away the Kragen, take away Dominion voting theories and the corporate structure like you mentioned yesterday, Steve.

00:20:14.400 Just look at the statistical anomalies and the incongruence of those statistical anomalies.

00:20:19.780 Why wasn't the same trend line in Milwaukee and Philadelphia present in St. Louis and Dallas or Houston?

00:20:27.440 Those types of things.

00:20:28.700 And that is enough for me to say, you know what, this stinks to high heaven.

00:20:33.880 So, yes, I believe the election was stolen and there's not going to be anything done about it.

00:20:38.620 Because as we've said multiple times on our own show, the Steve Day show, this is not a nation of laws and it never has been.

00:20:48.720 It's a nation of will, a political will, and it always will be.

00:20:52.560 And I don't think there's enough, at least amongst the people who are charged or have the ability to do something about it, there's not enough political will.

00:21:01.500 Because orange man bad.

00:21:03.660 I think Mike Pence is going to save us on January the 6th.

00:21:06.180 Mike Pence will save us.

00:21:06.960 Yeah, just like he saved religious freedom in Indiana.

00:21:09.660 Just like he saved the country from Debbie Birx.

00:21:12.860 No, actually, he gave us Debbie Birx in the IHME model.

00:21:15.620 But, Todd, what do you think?

00:21:16.780 How would you answer that question?

00:21:17.800 Well, Aaron's answer is as likely as anything else.

00:21:22.020 And that being the case, the answer is no, nothing is going to happen.

00:21:25.160 But I would simply say, and this isn't a doubt, I don't know.

00:21:29.800 No matter how badly Trump did or did not get screwed, the case was incumbent upon him to make a case.

00:21:38.740 And if anything, I think he's muddied the waters in many respects.

00:21:42.760 Others, perhaps, have clarified, but it was on him and his campaign to do so.

00:21:47.800 We said from the beginning, and we said about other issues, we can't care about this more than him.

00:21:51.660 And the way they've gone about trying to bring clarity to this right out of the gate when you don't have three years like you did with Flynn.

00:21:59.540 As you've said, Steve, you were on the clock and you had to be good at this out of the gate.

00:22:04.960 And they haven't.

00:22:06.060 And honestly, the best case scenario may be Aaron being right.

00:22:11.740 But in terms of going to the first question, conservatives just getting screwed out of this and realizing you can't keep playing this game as conservatives and Republicans and think you're not ultimately going to get shafted.

00:22:24.240 Where they get to make all the rules, decide all the laws.

00:22:26.520 Count all the votes, determine what a vote is, name every term.

00:22:30.600 You can't win a game like that, is what you're saying.

00:22:33.140 Yeah, so maybe this is the slap in the face everybody needs to start doing things differently.

00:22:40.220 I'm not going to hold my breath on that.

00:22:42.320 But the way everything has been going, and quite frankly, let's face it, the other reason I don't know is it's really if Biden won legitimately, no matter how close it was, he should be the president of the United States.

00:22:53.340 One thing I definitely fear is that there's probably just as many people on the right as the left that could care less about what reality is, and they just want what they want.

00:23:02.100 And we all go down a very ugly rabbit hole if that's our bottom line.

00:23:06.020 That happens, though, when you're in a schism as a people.

00:23:08.560 Yes.

00:23:08.760 I think it took us on the right many years to acknowledge that the left had no issue or interest in sharing a country.

00:23:17.500 Elements of the left have no interest in sharing a country with us.

00:23:21.160 Okay?

00:23:21.380 That's why they don't accommodate us on any level.

00:23:24.160 And I think now the right has more and more begun to understand this and figure that out, which is good, okay?

00:23:30.600 Because it's the truth, but it also presents its own challenge.

00:23:35.560 Yes.

00:23:35.720 Oh, indeed.

00:23:36.260 How do we then not have a zero-sum game, right?

00:23:38.860 How do we avoid a schism-ing country? 0.99

00:23:41.700 Because it appears we're watching, you know, I've compared this to the Avignon papacy on our daily show.

00:23:48.300 It appears you're watching a schism play itself out in real time.

00:23:52.620 And when both sides of a schism realize that they can't or don't want to live with one another anymore, then it reshapes your view of the reality, as you just put it.

00:24:03.980 Daniel, what do you think?

00:24:05.940 Look, mechanically, as Aaron said, of course the election was stolen.

00:24:10.080 And if you even discount any questions about dominion and electronic fraud, if you just look at the election law fraud, meaning the ballots that were cast not pursuant to law, and then the ballot fraud, which is kind of the middle ground.

00:24:24.440 And those are the dead voters voting, the non-citizens voting. 0.94

00:24:28.660 But based on what the Nevada Republican Party confirmed, Georgia, it's been confirmed.

00:24:33.980 You just look at Ken Paxton's lawsuit, 15, 20 pages, everyone focused on the standing issue, but he laid out just clearly just from the election law fraud.

00:24:43.880 That's the attorney general from Texas, Ken Paxton, by the way.

00:24:46.400 That's right.

00:24:47.060 Yes, election law fraud.

00:24:49.520 If you look at the margin of victories and you add up the anomalies, incongruencies, the rejection rates of those millions of extra mail-in ballots that weren't cast pursuant to law,

00:25:00.900 there's no question that based on the laws duly passed by the 50 states, Donald Trump came out ahead.

00:25:08.400 The question is by how much, where, but it was clearly enough in my mind.

00:25:12.740 But again, I think as everyone's saying, the theme for today is what we're doing is not working, and we need to look beyond that because, frankly, everything's been rigged against us.

00:25:23.860 This is the year of the COVID data fraud, when the motorcycle deaths are COVID deaths and the flu has disappeared.

00:25:31.500 Oh, and by the way, your constitutional rights have disappeared.

00:25:34.620 The governing fraud is even greater than the election fraud.

00:25:38.020 A lot of people say, hey, Daniel, do you really believe that they could have pulled off something like this?

00:25:43.000 And I say, look at what they've done in broad daylight.

00:25:46.040 I'm kidding.

00:25:46.540 They've taken away our constitutional rights.

00:25:49.700 Like, you know, they don't hide this.

00:25:51.540 The mayor or governor gets up there with the flick of the wrist.

00:25:54.420 Hey, I'm holding a press conference at 8 p.m. time.

00:25:56.880 All right, here's the deal.

00:25:58.000 No businesses.

00:25:59.140 Face is covered indefinitely.

00:26:01.720 Shut up. 0.95

00:26:02.480 Here's what we're doing.

00:26:03.700 And to me, that's greater governing fraud than even stealing an election.

00:26:07.980 And we had no problem with it.

00:26:09.700 So that's the broader issue.

00:26:11.460 This is emblematic of the systemic fraud in our governing system.

00:26:17.220 Perfectly said.

00:26:18.200 Yep.

00:26:18.640 You know, to me, going back to what I said to you, Todd, if you allow one side to pick the rules, change them on the fly, then pick the officials, then get to determine who gets the ball and for how long.

00:26:32.900 And they get to do anything they can adjust it at any point in time they want.

00:26:37.000 You know, Brian Kemp's on Fox News last night saying, I had to follow the laws of Georgia.

00:26:41.220 Well, which laws, governor?

00:26:42.740 The laws your legislature passed are the ones that the courts are just are still doing.

00:26:46.900 I mean, we've still got Stacey Abrams, sister, making rulings in Georgia as a federal judge as we speak right now. 1.00

00:26:53.720 OK, so which laws are we talking about?

00:26:56.060 The ones that the duly elected legislature passed or the ones that you just enforced that are court edicts?

00:27:01.240 Which laws?

00:27:01.900 And so if those are the rules, you know, for us as conservatives, you know, we're seeking to conserve defined things.

00:27:12.460 Otherwise, if they've not been defined as good or true, there's no point in conserving them.

00:27:17.400 Right.

00:27:17.900 We're not we're not conserving variables.

00:27:20.220 We're conserving constants.

00:27:21.500 We're not we're looking to conserve things that are certified as true or facts.

00:27:29.880 We can't win if it's if the environment is who nails Jell-O on the door best.

00:27:35.220 If the environment is who's got the best amorphous blob and cries victim and racist better.

00:27:41.520 Who placed who placed group identity politics better?

00:27:45.800 We can't win.

00:27:46.720 But those are all morally subjective realities.

00:27:50.740 They are contrary to what conservatism actually is, which is an observational science.

00:27:56.780 We have observed through history.

00:27:58.300 This is what's good and true.

00:28:00.000 Let's let's repeat it.

00:28:01.360 We've observed through history.

00:28:02.480 This is what's bad and false.

00:28:04.000 Let's not do that.

00:28:05.340 That's what conservatism is.

00:28:06.820 When the other side is, well, what's good?

00:28:08.580 What's bad?

00:28:09.100 Depends on what your definition of the word is, is what's a vote?

00:28:11.740 What's a drop box?

00:28:12.660 What's a vote date?

00:28:13.440 What's a posted stamp?

00:28:14.660 What's a law?

00:28:15.600 What's a legislature?

00:28:16.460 What's a branch?

00:28:17.740 Constitution?

00:28:18.360 What is it?

00:28:19.200 We can't win that debate.

00:28:21.320 And yet we keep playing by those rules.

00:28:25.800 Steve, I was just going to say.

00:28:27.600 Go ahead, Daniel, in 30 seconds, quickly.

00:28:29.420 Remember the debate over federalism and states get to do what they want and how does the Texas

00:28:33.840 Attorney General get to question it?

00:28:36.080 Again, talk about that one-sided federalism.

00:28:38.860 Heads, they win.

00:28:39.440 Tails, we lose.

00:28:40.140 Right.

00:28:40.560 You just mentioned federal judge in Georgia saying you have to count dirty voter rolls,

00:28:45.360 dead voters.

00:28:45.840 You can't win a game like that.

00:28:47.460 Right.

00:28:47.940 I mean, we tried to change and clean up election laws at the state level.

00:28:51.500 They threw all our, the courts threw all our voter ID laws, even constitutional amendments,

00:28:55.100 they threw them out.

00:28:56.060 All right.

00:28:56.540 And so they get to do, they get to impose on any form of federalism their way that they

00:29:01.500 would like.

00:29:02.120 When we try to push back on it or correct it, we have to still abide by rules of federalism

00:29:07.380 that are no longer relevant.

00:29:08.800 You cannot win this way.

00:29:11.000 It's an unwinnable game.

00:29:13.160 That's the point we're trying to make.

00:29:14.920 More in a moment.

00:29:15.820 Back here on the Glenn Beck program.

00:29:17.300 We are the crew from the Steve Day show, noon to two Eastern, right after Glenn here

00:29:20.500 on Blaze TV, radio and podcast.

00:29:23.520 Look us up.

00:29:24.020 D-E-A-C-E. 1.00

00:29:25.440 My name is Steve.

00:29:26.300 Todd, Aaron here with us.

00:29:27.620 One of our favorite guests.

00:29:28.900 We had to bring him in if we're talking the state of play politically.

00:29:31.800 Our weekly prophet of woe and lamentation and colleague here at the Blaze, Daniel Horowitz,

00:29:36.240 is here with us as well.

00:29:37.880 All right.

00:29:38.000 Let's get to the next question to address.

00:29:39.840 And it's probably for the best that we're asking this question.

00:29:43.180 It's Providence that we're going to ask it in the shortest segment of the hour.

00:29:47.760 Because if there was ever a question that threatened our standing from an FCC perspective

00:29:54.560 to let it slip and fly, all right, this would be it.

00:29:59.140 So everybody's got to self-edit because we're limited in time, okay?

00:30:01.800 If the relationship between conservatives and the Republican Party were a Facebook status,

00:30:09.200 what would that status be, Todd Erzin?

00:30:11.280 I'm going to be quick because I want to get out of the way for Daniel, but I think it would

00:30:15.120 be trumped.

00:30:16.680 Conservatism is a term that's easily been co-opted.

00:30:20.180 We've had compassionate conservative.

00:30:22.000 We've had severely conservative.

00:30:23.880 Neoconservative.

00:30:24.420 It's been used and abused.

00:30:26.520 And then the Republican Party is simply...

00:30:29.800 Or my favorite, I'm a fiscal conservative for Sodom and Gomorrah, like that one.

00:30:33.820 Exactly.

00:30:34.660 And the Republican Party has clearly had a record of simply using and abusing conservatives

00:30:39.960 for issues that have nothing to do with propagating those values.

00:30:46.440 So until we see differently, the term is Trump.

00:30:51.080 He owned the Republican Party for the last four years.

00:30:54.260 We had options as conservatives, namely Ted Cruz four years ago.

00:31:00.020 We chose Donald Trump instead.

00:31:02.300 So until we see something different, it is Trumped.

00:31:04.840 All right, Aaron.

00:31:06.080 I think for me, it's in an open relationship because once every 730 days, they're able to

00:31:15.180 rattle their zipper, meaning most establishment Republicans.

00:31:19.420 And you know what?

00:31:20.440 They get what they want from us.

00:31:22.260 The rest of the time, though, they're seeing other people.

00:31:25.060 And they just actually don't want anything to do with us.

00:31:28.160 I'm just...

00:31:28.540 We're a booty call.

00:31:29.180 We're just a booty call.

00:31:30.280 Once every 730 days, whether it's a midterm or a presidential election, they call on us.

00:31:35.460 We give them what they want.

00:31:36.560 And then they move on.

00:31:37.940 Rest of the time, they're hanging out on K Street.

00:31:39.620 You've never been to Washington, D.C., by the way, folks.

00:31:41.880 That's a literal street where the lobbyist firms are located.

00:31:44.760 It's literally called K Street.

00:31:46.000 The rest of the time, they're hanging out on K Street, media, and they can't sleep.

00:31:50.780 3 a.m., that's election night.

00:31:52.200 They call us up and say, hey, what are you doing?

00:31:55.180 That's what we are.

00:31:55.920 We're the booty call.

00:31:56.960 Daniel, what is it?

00:31:59.040 Well, we've got to keep it clean.

00:32:00.580 So, Stockholm.

00:32:02.560 Stockholm.

00:32:03.440 Abused.

00:32:05.160 Look, I mean, Aaron already hinted to this.

00:32:07.920 It's an abused wife. 1.00

00:32:09.780 And that's what it is.

00:32:10.700 That's what it's always been.

00:32:12.080 I don't think it's changed much with Trump.

00:32:14.580 It's had some wrinkles over the last four years.

00:32:16.780 But it's basically been this way since Reagan and really before Reagan as well.

00:32:21.080 It's just the consequences have gotten worse.

00:32:23.260 It's an abused spouse where we know they are cheating on us.

00:32:28.300 They're cheating on us while they promise us more flowers. 1.00

00:32:30.960 But we are just too scared to go out in that world alone.

00:32:36.100 We are convinced we can't go it alone.

00:32:38.120 We cannot live without the Republican Party.

00:32:40.660 I grew up in a home that had some of the abuse that you're talking about.

00:32:47.760 And, I mean, I, you know, when I got old enough to understand what was going on as a teenager and a young adult, you know, my mom and I would like have conversations.

00:32:56.480 And we'd like, we'd even take turns.

00:32:57.780 Like, my mom would be like, we got to leave.

00:32:59.140 And I'd be like, I don't want to go.

00:33:01.020 This is my, I'm on the sports team.

00:33:03.180 I like my high school, which doesn't exist anymore.

00:33:05.260 Wyoming Rogers.

00:33:05.920 I've got friends.

00:33:07.000 I don't want to run, you know.

00:33:09.320 And then, like, it would happen again.

00:33:10.680 And then the next time, we'd just flip sides.

00:33:12.180 And I'd be like, all right, mom, we've got to get out of here.

00:33:14.100 And she's like, I got a good job at the med station.

00:33:16.780 I mean, I know exactly what you're describing, Daniel.

00:33:20.080 I live this in my home.

00:33:22.220 And there is this fear, though, that whatever's out there is actually worse than what you're experiencing.

00:33:28.760 So you just keep tolerating it.

00:33:31.760 And then eventually, you get pushed to the point that you can't tolerate it anymore.

00:33:35.100 And you just leave, not because you took a stand, but it's survival or nothing.

00:33:39.800 And then you start thinking to yourself, man, I really wish I'd have done this a long time ago.

00:33:44.940 I can breathe the free air again.

00:33:48.400 That, I think, is kind of where we're at with Team GOP.

00:33:52.960 All right, we're one hour down, two hours to go.

00:33:55.100 The state of play for conservatives heading into 2021.

00:33:58.760 We'll continue that next year on the Glenn Beck Program.

00:34:00.860 Well, my name is Steve Dace filling in for Glenn Beck here this morning.

00:34:06.120 And this is not my first rodeo with the conservatives and our complicated relationship with the Republican Party show.

00:34:14.360 I've done this program a few times, a few 10,000 times over the years.

00:34:19.440 So given where we just left off, I already know your lament.

00:34:25.760 Well, what do you expect us to do?

00:34:26.940 You're all like Richard Gere, an officer, and a gentleman.

00:34:29.740 I got nowhere else to go, right?

00:34:32.640 I want to address that next.

00:34:36.000 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:34:38.580 All right, back here on the Glenn Beck Program.

00:34:44.520 The crew here from the Steve Dace Show, noon to 2 Eastern, right after Glenn here on Blaze TV each broadcast day.

00:34:49.800 That's me, Steve Dace, Todd Erz, and Aaron McIntyre.

00:34:52.520 We have a special guest with us today for our roundtable conversation on the state of conservatism and politics heading into 2021.

00:35:00.380 He is our prophet of woe and lamentation around here at the Blaze.

00:35:04.040 Our colleague, Daniel Horowitz, joins us.

00:35:05.800 And before we move on to the next question, I think we have a loop we have to close on the question we posed right before the end of the last hour.

00:35:14.180 Because I know a lot of you that are listening today, how you feel is this.

00:35:20.960 The Republican Party, if I don't vote Republican, I will drown.

00:35:27.820 And yet, if I do vote Republican, no one will save me from drowning.

00:35:33.220 I'm treading water, right?

00:35:34.800 I'm paddling out here in the open sea.

00:35:37.960 And there's nobody coming to save me.

00:35:40.760 But if I don't vote Republican and let the other guys win, I'm going to drown.

00:35:45.640 And so, what do you want me to do?

00:35:48.720 How do you expect me to behave?

00:35:51.640 And again, given the environment I grew up in at times, I completely and totally understand this sentiment.

00:35:56.940 I spent years and years of my career working within the Republican Party.

00:36:02.580 I recruited candidates.

00:36:04.120 I helped several get elected.

00:36:06.760 And over the course of time, I learned that the only party that hates people like me more than the Democrats are the Republicans.

00:36:14.420 Because they feel like they have to at least feign catering to people like us when they really like most of them to be up there pillaging and plundering the countryside for their groups of special interests.

00:36:27.640 Every bit as much as the Democrats do.

00:36:29.960 And they really don't want to get involved in any of these culture war issues because they don't care.

00:36:34.960 And if they either don't care or most of them actually agree with Democrats more than us.

00:36:39.200 And yet, in the 2018 midterms, I did something I had not done in over a decade.

00:36:47.700 Voted straight ticket Republican.

00:36:50.080 I darn near did the exact same thing in 2020.

00:36:53.420 Now, why did I do that?

00:36:54.960 Because it took me some time.

00:36:56.940 But I think I might finally disdain and loathe the Republican Party even more than it disdains and loathes me.

00:37:03.120 All right?

00:37:03.780 But I'm also not stupid.

00:37:06.260 I recognize the Visigoths are coming over the wall.

00:37:10.020 So while I don't think the Republicans are the centurions coming to save us, I'm happy to just throw their carcasses between me and them to give me some time to figure out what else can we possibly do.

00:37:25.540 See, I think the problem we have here is we're not nimble as conservatives.

00:37:33.100 That we have cornered ourselves with a binary choice that for a long time it didn't exist.

00:37:44.300 But we so cornered ourselves with it that we created a self-fulfilling prophecy that now it kind of does.

00:37:52.640 Now it is.

00:37:53.380 It wasn't true 20 years ago.

00:37:54.860 It wasn't true 10 years ago.

00:37:56.620 Vote Republican or it's the end of America.

00:37:58.380 Yet, guys, did we hear this all of our lives?

00:38:00.240 Right.

00:38:00.340 We heard this all of our lives, right?

00:38:02.220 But it was George W. Bush who launched the dumbest foreign policy decision of all time, the war in Iraq.

00:38:09.600 It was George W. Bush who gave us Medicare Part D, the biggest welfare state boondoggle until the Obama administration.

00:38:17.720 It was Mitt Romney who gave Barack Obama his worst idea before he had it.

00:38:21.520 Romneycare.

00:38:22.120 Right?

00:38:22.540 We could go on and on and on.

00:38:24.200 How many?

00:38:24.600 It was a Republican majority court that gave us Roe v. Wade.

00:38:28.160 It was a Republican majority court that gave us Windsor.

00:38:32.060 We could go on and on.

00:38:33.300 Right?

00:38:33.760 Yeah.

00:38:33.920 So this wasn't true for a long time.

00:38:36.180 It was a lie that we told ourselves.

00:38:38.480 And frankly, a lot of people in conservative media who are prostitutes for Team GOP got paid to say.

00:38:43.240 The problem is, though, we bought it so almost religiously, dogmatically.

00:38:50.160 It became like a creed.

00:38:52.060 Well, now we're at the point that it actually kind of is true.

00:38:55.660 Like, they're really, I mean, the Democrats are really just going to play out the musical reds every time you elect them.

00:39:01.800 No matter where you elect them.

00:39:02.780 Doesn't matter where.

00:39:03.760 Doesn't matter where they're, I mean, they're dancing to Moscow.

00:39:08.020 No matter where you elect them now.

00:39:08.960 But it's all out in the open now.

00:39:11.820 And so now we're kind of like, oh, bleep.

00:39:15.060 I don't want the Republicans to win and I can't afford for the Democrats to.

00:39:19.320 What do I do?

00:39:21.820 We have to get outside of our binary box here. 0.80

00:39:25.800 Number one.

00:39:27.840 You have to, politics is a game of leverage.

00:39:32.380 Republicans may not think that much differently than Democrats, sadly, in all too many cases.

00:39:36.080 But they're not going to get a lot of Democrat votes, no matter how close they come to their thinking either.

00:39:41.280 Which means to get elected, who do they need?

00:39:44.820 And again, Democrats to vote for them, so who do they need?

00:39:47.440 Us.

00:39:47.700 Us.

00:39:48.020 So, in any relationship, in any relationship, the power resides in the party that has to give its consent.

00:39:58.780 Ultimately, that's where the power resides.

00:40:00.720 Whoever is the consenting party is where the power resides in that relationship.

00:40:06.840 Who is the consenting authority in this relationship between us and the Republican Party?

00:40:12.960 We are.

00:40:13.860 We have to vote for them, correct?

00:40:15.520 Yeah.

00:40:15.700 All right?

00:40:16.540 And so, therefore, if we're the consenting authority, where does the power reside?

00:40:20.960 With us.

00:40:22.400 We are the people.

00:40:23.060 Instead, though, what we've done, yeah.

00:40:23.800 Instead, what we have done is we have decided that because the Democrats are Marxists, that must mean my completely emasculated, limp-wristed, low-T-level, corporate prostitute Republican must now suddenly be Moses.

00:40:39.220 Or he's Captain America, George Washington, crossed the Delaware on his way to coming, you know, to my Lions Club meeting and speaking for 15 minutes and then ejecting because he was busy or something.

00:40:56.960 No, we've had the power all along.

00:41:01.340 Do you want to know?

00:41:02.500 I've talked about this before, but never on Glenn's show.

00:41:06.520 Prior to when a lot of you got to know who I was and I was an up-and-coming, plucky, conservative commentator, I was contributing on MSNBC as a token conservative.

00:41:17.560 I probably did over 50 panels on MSNBC over several years.

00:41:22.700 And it was interesting.

00:41:24.240 One issue, we debated every issue on these panels.

00:41:28.280 Well, they debated me, basically.

00:41:30.020 The one issue, though, I don't ever remember us debating.

00:41:33.020 They never were fretting whether the more moderate Democrat was going to win the primary or whether the pro-life Democrat might win and then could they still support them in the general.

00:41:42.120 They didn't even care.

00:41:43.260 We never even talked about Democratic primaries unless it was a presidential race.

00:41:46.020 They didn't care.

00:41:47.560 Why?

00:41:48.000 Because whether you elect a Democrat to the U.S. Senate in Louisiana, I guarantee in Louisiana, or you elect him in California, they're all voting the same.

00:41:58.720 It doesn't matter.

00:42:00.240 It doesn't matter.

00:42:02.140 Why?

00:42:02.880 Because their base made it so.

00:42:06.100 Their base made it that this is unacceptable.

00:42:09.520 This is what we want, and you will give us what we want, or we will take you out.

00:42:13.900 We don't do that.

00:42:15.620 We've turned these Republicans into matinee idols.

00:42:18.660 You know, we've got, like, our local congressman's rookie card and the spokes of our bike, and we're, like, trading them with our buddies.

00:42:25.180 Hey, man, I'll give you a Tim Scott rookie if I can get, like, a Ray Langford all-star card.

00:42:29.320 That's what we do.

00:42:29.960 We turn these guys into heroes.

00:42:32.920 And the Democratic Party, they are instruments, servants, and they come and they go, Hobbes, and they come and they go.

00:42:39.700 And they go based on whether you do what we say, and they come based on whether you do what we say.

00:42:45.120 We don't do this.

00:42:46.260 We have given the Republican Party, frankly, more grace and allegiance than we've given the vast majority of our churches and, frankly, our own families.

00:42:53.860 We have excused away behavior and betrayals from people with the magic R after their name.

00:42:59.340 And he won the primary, Abraham, and it was bestowed upon him the magic R, and therefore it was credited to him righteousness.

00:43:06.460 We have taken stuff from grown-ass adults, lies right to our face, because they had the R after their name we wouldn't take from our own young children.

00:43:16.720 This is why we're in the predicament that we are in.

00:43:19.580 We have been willing to take it.

00:43:22.080 And if you want to know, a political party is only as good as the people that inhabit it.

00:43:30.240 We need to run our...

00:43:31.380 Stop running for platform committee.

00:43:33.700 Nobody cares.

00:43:35.240 All right?

00:43:35.880 No one...

00:43:36.500 They just disregard it.

00:43:37.480 Run for the rules committee.

00:43:38.980 Who's making the rules?

00:43:40.260 That's where...

00:43:40.720 Run where the power is at.

00:43:43.280 Don't run for state legislature and then just stay there.

00:43:46.820 Run for speaker of the statehouse.

00:43:50.820 Take power.

00:43:52.080 That's what the Democratic base has done.

00:43:54.480 And that's why they are the power in the Democratic Party.

00:43:57.520 We have not done that within the Republican Party.

00:44:00.160 And that's why we are powerless.

00:44:02.660 More in a moment.

00:44:10.380 I mentioned this earlier.

00:44:11.600 Let me talk about this again really quick.

00:44:13.260 I mean, we had a fun show yesterday looking at things from a meta level, philosophically, morally, spiritually, theologically.

00:44:21.020 And used two of my books, A Nefarious Carol and A Nefarious Plot, to kind of be the launching pads for those conversations.

00:44:29.680 We had huge response to those shows and huge response to those two books.

00:44:34.980 So, I wanted to say thank you to all of you very much, doing your part to make sure that the three days children do indeed get a Christmas next year.

00:44:45.640 So, you can still get your copies as we speak right now over at Amazon.com and A Nefarious Carol and A Nefarious Plot.

00:44:52.760 But let's continue on talking politics, shall we, with the roundtable question.

00:44:57.120 Thank you guys for indulging me for a few minutes there.

00:44:59.180 I just felt like we had to kind of close that loop, because I can almost hear a portion of the audience in the corner of my ear protesting.

00:45:07.740 What else is the alternative then?

00:45:09.300 You're right, they suck, but what else are we supposed to do, right?

00:45:13.120 So, let's get to the next question.

00:45:14.920 And Daniel Horowitz, our prophet of woe and lamentation, I'll start with you.

00:45:18.880 What's the biggest issue or issues you believe facing conservatives in 2021?

00:45:23.360 So, Steve, this time last year, had you asked me that question, I would have given you the traditional litany of issues.

00:45:31.680 But I don't think it's an exaggeration at this juncture in history to say we are repeating August 1st, 1776, a couple weeks after Sam Adams himself signed the Declaration of Independence.

00:45:44.660 He spoke before the Pennsylvania legislature in Philly, and he said, our contest is not only whether we ourselves shall be free, but whether there shall be left to mankind in asylum on earth for civil and religious liberty.

00:46:00.640 That's what is facing us in 2021.

00:46:03.700 I mean, whether we could walk around without a Chinese diaper on our nose and mouth, whether business owners could not go to jail simply for earning a living. 0.97

00:46:18.420 I mean, these are serious things that I think we've almost become desensitized.

00:46:23.660 We've forgotten about it.

00:46:25.260 That is the contest.

00:46:26.840 It's corona fascism, to put a specific issue title on it.

00:46:31.300 And it's also mixed with anarchy.

00:46:34.240 It's really two issues.

00:46:35.420 It's anarcho-tyranny.

00:46:36.720 The story of 2020 was this two-tier justice system that if you're BLM in Antifa, if you're a violent gangster with a rap sheet, you get let out of jail.

00:46:47.280 You don't get prosecuted.

00:46:48.260 You don't get locked up.

00:46:49.460 But if you're a business owner, a single mom in Minnesota opening up a business, her gymnastics class and her restaurant, you get threatened with jail time.

00:47:00.460 And in fact, the very virus that was used as a pretext to empty the jails by 40, 50 percent in most cities is now being used as an excuse to put you and I in those jails.

00:47:14.980 This is not an exaggeration.

00:47:16.840 Hey, man.

00:47:17.320 These are the issues of our time.

00:47:18.620 If you're a meth addict who once pointed a gun at a pregnant woman's stomach and you got murdered by a cop, you can have 75 funerals on national TV all over the country.

00:47:29.660 But if one of those people we let out of those prison cells that you talked about, Daniel, if they murdered your loved one, you can't have a funeral for them.

00:47:36.680 Is that the two-tiered system you're talking about?

00:47:39.040 That type of thing.

00:47:39.680 Or if you run over a proud boy in Washington, D.C., you don't get prosecuted.

00:47:45.040 But if you defend yourself, you do get prosecuted.

00:47:48.960 I mean, this is serious stuff.

00:47:51.280 Life, liberty, property.

00:47:53.720 And speaking of Sam Adams, he always said, and the colonists have the right to defend themselves because otherwise you don't have those aforementioned three rights.

00:48:03.580 That is what's on the table.

00:48:05.400 Corona fascism is what's for dinner.

00:48:07.320 And, Steve, I just want to piggyback off your seminal opening monologue there.

00:48:13.580 This is our contest.

00:48:14.940 It's going to be in the states, mainly not at a federal level.

00:48:19.260 And it's going to be this.

00:48:21.740 Republicans control 24 trifectas, really 25 if you include Kentucky because the Republican legislature could override everything the governor does.

00:48:31.900 They have 31 legislative bodies they control.

00:48:34.600 The question is, OK, this is not Biden.

00:48:38.880 This is not Pelosi.

00:48:40.620 There are some states where there's literally two or three Democrats left in the legislature.

00:48:45.720 I'm not kidding you.

00:48:46.740 Yet the governors in those states sound like Cuomo and Gavin Newsom on coronavirus.

00:48:53.600 That is our question.

00:48:56.700 It's not a matter of, Daniel, I don't want the Democrats to win.

00:48:58.700 The Democrats aren't winning there.

00:49:00.380 In Ohio, Republicans have greater majorities than Democrats have in California.

00:49:05.860 Yet DeWine is just as bad as Cuomo.

00:49:08.940 DeWine is awful.

00:49:09.700 Are we going to get on their cases?

00:49:11.680 Are we going to primary them?

00:49:13.500 Are we going to take to the streets?

00:49:15.360 Are we going to get the legislatures to remove the emergency powers? 0.73

00:49:19.420 That is the specific contest of our time.

00:49:22.200 And notice I didn't mention Washington, D.C.

00:49:25.120 Todd, same question to you.

00:49:27.820 Daniel, it's dystopia.

00:49:30.300 The American Revolution, quite frankly, is forfeit.

00:49:35.180 It's a reclamation, Everett.

00:49:36.460 We're living in a place and standing on soil called America, but it's not America anymore,

00:49:42.240 and it hasn't been for quite some time.

00:49:44.620 The Republic of Rome fell, and hey, it's kind of cool, and you're feeling hip for a while.

00:49:48.840 As long as we get Octavius, you know, we're rolling.

00:49:51.520 We're rolling.

00:49:52.180 But now we're in the time of Caligula.

00:49:56.500 We don't know what a gender is. 1.00

00:49:58.260 The Constitution is something that is used against us because we have this warm, fuzzy

00:50:04.720 feeling of this contract, but where are the consequences of not following it?

00:50:10.480 You abide by clauses of it that don't actually exist while we do whatever we want to the

00:50:15.160 clauses that do, right?

00:50:17.080 Where are the consequences for anyone from the press, the FBI?

00:50:20.780 I mean, the FBI, my God, they're basically staffed by the same people that run journalism.

00:50:25.040 Yeah, we found out yesterday that the Nashville bomber's girlfriend told him last year that

00:50:30.440 she was concerned he was making bombs in the basement.

00:50:32.560 Maybe she should have said, hey, I think my boyfriend has a garage door rope shaped as

00:50:37.320 a noose.

00:50:37.860 Can you guys do something about it?

00:50:39.240 And we know 15 FBI agents would have moved on that property stat.

00:50:43.400 Right.

00:50:43.780 We'll know this isn't a dystopia when the Democrats once again are coming back and begging

00:50:48.400 for the protections of the Constitution instead of ignoring them and doing whatever they want.

00:50:55.040 Aaron?

00:50:55.780 I'm going to change this just slightly.

00:50:58.320 The biggest issue facing the conservative in 2021, because there's a number of issues.

00:51:05.200 I mean, big, big time issues.

00:51:07.200 You could go over mandatory vaccines, big tech, any number of issues.

00:51:11.780 But the conservative, when you look in the mirror, what's the biggest issue facing you?

00:51:17.740 So, what are you willing to do?

00:51:22.200 What are you willing to do about it?

00:51:24.080 That's the biggest issue.

00:51:26.060 It could be as simple as I'm going to go to the drugstore or I'm going to go to shop somewhere.

00:51:32.840 I'm not going to wear a mask from this day forward.

00:51:36.140 I'm just not.

00:51:36.780 Or it could be if you're a business owner, I'm not abiding by these regulations.

00:51:41.440 And if they try to find me, I'm throwing it in the trash.

00:51:44.960 If you're a pastor, you should have already had your church opened up for months now, multiple months.

00:51:50.980 You should have never closed down except for maybe in the first two, three weeks.

00:51:55.160 What are you willing to do?

00:51:57.020 That's the biggest issue facing the conservative in 2021.

00:52:00.620 All of your answers are really good.

00:52:05.120 You guys might have a future doing this for a living.

00:52:09.460 I know one of the largest radio shows in the history of the industry probably isn't the greatest place to get on the job training.

00:52:16.040 But, you know, it's the holidays and they're desperate for help, right?

00:52:18.180 But in the future, you guys, you three, you guys might be able to do this, like have your own gigs and stuff.

00:52:23.280 Thanks, boss.

00:52:23.840 All right.

00:52:24.240 Hey, when we come back, what happens if Trump does leave office on January the 20th?

00:52:29.520 Where does he go next?

00:52:30.620 We'll discuss that when we come back next.

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00:53:05.760 We're kind of doing a roundtable, big picture conversation about the state of play for conservatives heading into 2021.

00:53:12.180 All right, next question I want us to tackle.

00:53:14.980 Gentlemen, if Trump does indeed leave office on January the 20th and Joe Biden is sworn in, as it appears right now, that's going to happen, barring some kind of a miracle.

00:53:24.160 How will the former president, the then former president, Donald Trump, how will he continue to impact the conservative movement, conservative media?

00:53:33.780 And then, how would you like him to?

00:53:37.380 Todd, I'll start with you this time.

00:53:38.680 Well, the influence is going to be massive because what we're going to be viewing, at least in the near term, is the great martyrdom of Donald Trump.

00:53:49.760 Now, I have a complicated relationship with him.

00:53:51.840 Before 2020, full disclosure, I had no plans on voting for him.

00:53:56.880 I just, even with the good he did bring to the table, a populist flair that I think is important to follow through on, I just didn't think he was that great at his job.

00:54:09.620 And then 2020 came, and the all-in on dystopia from the left.

00:54:16.000 Listen, I've got to go with this guy, and I do so unapologetically.

00:54:20.720 And I say that in the last four years, even when I think he didn't do his job well, he has been treated as unfairly as any American president in history.

00:54:30.480 He's not Hitler.

00:54:31.940 He was a Democrat most of his life.

00:54:33.940 He's not suddenly a racist who want to take all your rights away.

00:54:37.540 And by the way, then he goes off and golfs, and you complain that he's just golfing and not going to work being a tyrant.

00:54:42.000 It's just all very, very stupid.

00:54:44.260 So we've got the great martyrdom that he's going to capitalize on.

00:54:47.720 And what that's going to continue to do is the left is going to be obsessed with it, and then conservatives and people of the right are going to be, yeah, this is awesome.

00:54:56.280 So we've seen this before in many ways.

00:54:59.360 What I wish would happen, that's going to be good some days.

00:55:02.120 That's going to be bad some days.

00:55:03.320 What I wish would happen is that he would just go away because the good things that he brought to the table, somebody needs to fill that vacuum.

00:55:11.440 And we may as well get on with who that somebody is and how good they can be at it.

00:55:17.260 All right.

00:55:18.940 Aaron.

00:55:19.920 I think the most natural thing here for Trump is assuaging his own, let's just face it, you don't get to be where he is right now without having some need for attention and being asked questions.

00:55:35.780 And just, again, getting a lot of attention.

00:55:39.840 So I think the most natural path for Trump is to partner or start his own media network to try to destroy Fox News because there is a lot of bad blood there, at least post-election.

00:55:53.580 I think that would be the most natural path because he would be killing two birds with one stone.

00:55:58.200 He'd be getting all of the attention that he would like to have from the media, from his own media outlet.

00:56:03.320 And then he'd be destroying Fox News.

00:56:05.200 I think that would be overall a good thing because for so many years that network has been the gatekeeper of Republican politics in this country.

00:56:17.800 If you can't get on Fox News, you're going to have a really tough time in a Republican primary anywhere.

00:56:23.520 So I think that's the most natural path for him is going on to some media venture and trying to destroy Fox News.

00:56:31.440 Now, how would I like him to impact the conservative movement or media?

00:56:37.440 Well, destroying Fox News would be a good start.

00:56:41.760 Of course, nature abhors a vacuum.

00:56:43.720 So whatever venture that would be would, I think, would take the place of Kingmaker where you have to go kiss Trump's ring instead of the Murdochs.

00:56:50.940 So I think I think I would like that the most, I don't know, likely or conceivable way for him to impact the conservative movement is to do all he can to disrupt the Republican Party and or destroy certain factions or the whole thing of the Republican Party.

00:57:12.300 That would be what I would like him to do.

00:57:15.040 Will he be able to do that?

00:57:16.280 Maybe with a media venture, he might be able to be powerful enough to do so.

00:57:21.180 Of course, as you mentioned before, he is a martyr in the eyes of upwards of 70 million Americans.

00:57:26.140 So he is de facto president.

00:57:28.760 He is de facto speaker, representative for 70 million Americans.

00:57:34.660 I think the Mitt Romneys of the world, I think the rhinos of the world don't really understand or realize that they're going to have to reckon with that for for the foreseeable future. 0.62

00:57:46.160 They don't realize that he's probably more dangerous to them in the general population than he is sitting at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

00:57:51.800 They think that him just leaving means he's leaving.

00:57:54.560 Yeah.

00:57:54.700 No, no, no, no.

00:57:58.600 Because sitting in there, as we just saw again this week, the pressure to get a deal done sitting in that seat, right in the White House.

00:58:07.720 But just sitting on his Twitter account or whatever platform he creates for himself.

00:58:11.800 He doesn't have any pressure to get any deal done and he can just call out all of the deals they're trying to get done and expose them to a lot more sunlight than they otherwise would.

00:58:21.820 Right.

00:58:21.980 See, I think he's far more dangerous to the Republican establishment sitting in the general population than he is inside the White House.

00:58:29.420 But Daniel, what do you think?

00:58:30.920 What's his future this year?

00:58:32.860 So first off, I mean, I think Aaron's right.

00:58:35.080 As far as the alternative to Fox News, there's no question he's thinking about that.

00:58:39.020 I would add that there's a parallel on social media online that I think he will blow up, whether it's blowing up Parler in a good way.

00:58:49.640 I mean, you know, patronizing it and becoming a leader there or another platform.

00:58:54.000 He will do it simply because he's going to get kicked off Twitter.

00:58:56.620 And that's his primary mode of communicating.

00:58:59.620 Then he won't be alone.

00:59:00.760 We're all getting kicked off.

00:59:01.880 Let's just be honest.

00:59:02.660 There's no question.

00:59:03.120 The question is how many days after January 20th it will take for him to suspend his account.

00:59:07.280 That's going to happen.

00:59:08.220 What would I like him to do?

00:59:09.700 Oh, my gosh.

00:59:10.460 I mean, Steve, you talk about the binary choice.

00:59:14.440 This this just impasse that we've been at for for decades with what to do.

00:59:19.580 This man could single handedly change that.

00:59:22.300 Now, look, there's no shortcut to properly building that Boy Scout fire with, you know, having people at a county level dealing with conservative politics in the right way, pressuring and removing Republicans starting bottom up until eventually we reach a federal level.

00:59:38.180 But this man, like you mentioned, could upend the Republican Party.

00:59:42.860 He could be more powerful than he was his president.

00:59:45.500 He could be more powerful than Joe Biden.

00:59:47.280 If I had one audience with him, I would say primaries, baby.

00:59:52.340 Now's your time to redeem yourself.

00:59:54.920 Look, I've been through this for about 12 years and it is impossible to win primaries.

01:00:00.500 We don't have money.

01:00:01.280 We don't have name recognition, even though 80 to 90 percent of the party agrees with us like we see with Trump.

01:00:07.080 You know, 95 percent of Republicans are for Trump.

01:00:09.840 There is no constituency for Bill Kristol or these these rhinos. 0.96

01:00:13.740 But they win by default because they have the money, the name I.D.

01:00:18.120 They put out lying ads.

01:00:19.660 They control the party.

01:00:20.740 It's all haunted.

01:00:21.860 It's all it's all fake.

01:00:23.120 And we can't get the big names on board with the primaries.

01:00:26.580 If this man were to go tomorrow, OK, let's start with Ohio, a trending red state.

01:00:35.160 Trump owns that state.

01:00:36.460 He remade Ohio.

01:00:38.180 They have supermajorities in the legislature.

01:00:40.040 Trump did Ohio what Obama did to Virginia, basically.

01:00:42.960 Turn it from a swing state into a state that definitely tilts to one side now.

01:00:46.900 Yes.

01:00:47.360 Exactly.

01:00:47.960 That's what he did to it.

01:00:49.440 He could go.

01:00:50.360 There are about I would start with the governors.

01:00:52.320 Of course, every lockdown governor, there's about 10 Republican governors who support lockdown

01:00:58.520 that are up for reelection or they're going to be open seats.

01:01:01.660 If he were to go in and promise that he would support and hold rallies with them, you would

01:01:08.220 get better recruitment.

01:01:09.540 For example, Warren Davidson could run in Ohio.

01:01:12.720 He could remake the Republican Party.

01:01:15.560 We could win 10 governorships, Senate seats.

01:01:18.580 That is something we can never do, have never done, and that is something he can do.

01:01:24.340 Will he do it?

01:01:24.900 I don't know.

01:01:25.720 But someone's got to get in his ear.

01:01:27.660 I think what you guys have just laid out, and you quantified it with your experience well,

01:01:33.760 the specifics of what he could do to terrorize this system.

01:01:38.160 There's far more power in that long term than, frankly, there probably even is in another

01:01:44.840 term in the White House, given how that would upend the political paradigm. 0.90

01:01:50.320 We will discuss this more here in a moment.

01:01:53.640 All right, guys, I want to follow up on Trump out of the White House in 2021 and what kind

01:02:01.840 of an impact he could have as we continue our roundtable conversation here.

01:02:05.180 We're Steve Dace with Totters and Aaron McIntyre, the prophet of woe and lamentation, Daniel

01:02:09.760 Horowitz.

01:02:10.240 We all work together here with Glenn at The Blaze and Blaze TV.

01:02:14.600 In fact, we're the show Noon to Two Eastern after Glenn each day here on Blaze TV.

01:02:19.420 The idea of him starting a platform to compete or to go after Fox News.

01:02:26.540 And Daniel, maybe you know the answer to this question.

01:02:28.500 If indeed he wants to play the role of kingmaker or is considering running again in 2024 or

01:02:39.600 at the very least wants to leave that option open, can you do that with a network?

01:02:45.620 Do you run into any legalities there, particularly if your name is Donald Trump and they're just

01:02:50.640 looking to come after you, right?

01:02:52.160 Okay, so is that a situation where he can't play in both of those ponds?

01:03:00.800 I mean, we all knew what Roger Ailes was doing for years at Fox, right?

01:03:04.900 I'll never forget being on the cruise campaign as we watched.

01:03:07.840 We got the most votes in Iowa any candidate ever received.

01:03:10.800 And the next day, Roger Ailes' preferred dimple-faced boy, Marco Rubio, was all the rage on Fox

01:03:17.100 News all day long for the greatest third place finish.

01:03:19.100 You guys remember that?

01:03:19.740 I do.

01:03:20.060 The greatest third place finish in the history of the nine realms, okay?

01:03:23.380 So we all knew what Roger Ailes was doing for years on Fox, but it was kind of a known

01:03:28.720 secret, right?

01:03:29.720 Like, your favorite college sports website knows who's getting the recruits because the

01:03:35.080 coaches are telling them.

01:03:36.420 They just can't openly say that because it's an NCAA violation.

01:03:39.600 But we all know where they're getting their information from, right?

01:03:41.740 Sure.

01:03:42.380 In this case, though, everybody knows who Donald Trump is.

01:03:44.640 He's not, you know, the Charlie's Angel's voice on the speakerphone whose face is never

01:03:50.420 seen.

01:03:51.440 Daniel, could he blatantly do both of those things at the same time?

01:03:56.240 Are there obstacles to that, right?

01:03:58.600 I mean, hey, we here at The Blaze, we have been hesitant about having our people endorse

01:04:03.440 candidates or the website do it because of these sorts of things.

01:04:07.800 And we don't have nearly the target on our back that Donald J. Trump does.

01:04:11.440 What are your thoughts on that, Daniel?

01:04:13.040 Does it have to be either or?

01:04:14.580 He's got time on his side.

01:04:16.220 I mean, that's the bottom line.

01:04:18.340 Typically, as you well know from your experience in Iowa, the next presidential election starts

01:04:23.520 the day after the previous one.

01:04:25.180 Except for him, he's got time.

01:04:27.740 He's got 150% name ID and 95% love among the GOP base.

01:04:34.740 He's got plenty of time.

01:04:36.100 He doesn't have to sit and start campaigning and making traditional trips to Iowa, nor

01:04:40.900 will he, nor does he need to.

01:04:43.020 What he needs to do is establish that national brand he already has in terms of being a disruptor

01:04:50.940 outside of the Oval Office.

01:04:53.140 So I think he has plenty of time to get that started up.

01:04:56.400 And then once he does that, let's say, I don't know, 2023, he could easily step away from it

01:05:03.280 in the same way he stepped away from his business ventures to become president.

01:05:07.360 I don't think that's really going to be a problem.

01:05:09.460 So if let's say there's a Trump TV or there is a Trump Newsmax kind of a partnership, so to speak,

01:05:16.160 could he go out there in the 2022 campaign and openly advocate in primaries for candidates

01:05:25.660 with that sort of a media venture in place?

01:05:28.760 Could he do that?

01:05:29.320 Do you know the answer to that, Daniel?

01:05:31.200 I don't see why not.

01:05:32.720 I mean, I literally don't see why not.

01:05:36.280 Because his name's Donald Trump and they tried to frame him for a pee tape that doesn't exist

01:05:40.480 in Russian collusion for several years, and then they tried to impeach him over a 27-minute

01:05:46.540 phone call to Ukraine that actually turned out to be, even if he's guilty of what he was

01:05:51.380 accused of at the time, turned out to be an expedition in search of a nefarious Biden

01:05:57.040 activity that appears to have actually happened.

01:05:58.820 That's why.

01:06:00.060 Well, you asked me legally.

01:06:01.560 Yeah, yes.

01:06:02.900 How about extra legally?

01:06:04.360 Extra legally, could he do it?

01:06:05.580 Extra legally, could he do it?

01:06:06.820 Well, extra legally, I don't even want to know what comes down that pike for all of us 1.00

01:06:11.560 over the next year or two.

01:06:13.780 What about talent?

01:06:15.420 Could you see him take a Hannity or a...

01:06:18.060 To me, Tucker Carlson is what's holding Fox News together at this point.

01:06:22.380 All right?

01:06:22.780 So, could he pry...

01:06:26.020 I think Hannity, he could absolutely pry away, but I don't think that's nearly the coup

01:06:29.780 that prying Tucker Carlson away would be.

01:06:32.900 Could he do that, do you guys think?

01:06:35.660 No.

01:06:36.820 But I could see him doing something like Megyn Kelly going to work for him.

01:06:41.800 Wouldn't that be something?

01:06:42.800 Oh, I know.

01:06:43.180 Remember the very first Fox debate when she was the attack dog that they...

01:06:47.820 Her and Chris Wallace, the mission was to take him out.

01:06:50.020 I remember that debate, right?

01:06:51.180 And it was after that that he talked about her bleeding out of her or whatever, right?

01:06:54.540 That would be the ultimate Trumpian move, as a good friend of mine who works in the

01:06:57.800 White House said to me just the other day, the only thing that Donald Trump likes more

01:07:01.580 than people who were always with him are people who are now with him and previously

01:07:04.880 weren't.

01:07:05.280 All right?

01:07:05.860 The idea of a new Trump TV venture and Megyn Kelly is the 8 o'clock Eastern anchor, that

01:07:12.560 is a uniquely Trumpian move.

01:07:14.740 And to me, this is the crucial thing.

01:07:16.060 Let's face it.

01:07:16.680 He did not get all the best people like he promised he would as president.

01:07:21.260 He needs to get all the best people to make this worth it.

01:07:24.520 And I don't think it is for him to go out.

01:07:26.320 I think it is more for him to kind of co-opt something that already exists, newsbacks.

01:07:31.500 That way, he can kind of pull a...

01:07:33.500 Well, if it doesn't work out, well, it was their fault.

01:07:35.920 Somewhere, Christopher Ruddy is listing this and saying, hey, guys, I appreciate you guys

01:07:39.960 playing fantasy advertising or fantasy media manager with my property here.

01:07:46.180 But thank you.

01:07:46.620 And plus, he's not buying green bananas, man.

01:07:48.400 He's 74 years old, right?

01:07:49.980 Yeah.

01:07:50.600 Yeah.

01:07:51.580 Although Ruddy and Trump have been friends for many years, but maybe that's why Ruddy's like,

01:07:55.320 that's why I don't want to do it.

01:07:56.840 Because I know what happens if we bring him in.

01:07:59.120 All right.

01:07:59.280 We'll continue our conversation looking at the state of play for conservatives heading

01:08:04.180 in to 2021.

01:08:06.180 A few questions left for us to tackle in our final hour coming up next.

01:08:10.380 So fresh off yet another of the most important elections of our lifetimes.

01:08:16.500 And this one actually felt like it might have been the closest to that being true that I

01:08:20.360 can recall.

01:08:21.420 But it ain't over yet.

01:08:22.600 57 days.

01:08:24.260 It's still in the courts.

01:08:25.140 The state of Georgia has a hearing going on right now about voter fraud allegations

01:08:30.240 as we speak.

01:08:32.200 Speaking of Georgia, we're going to go from the most important presidential election of

01:08:36.720 our lifetimes to now what we're being polled is the most important Senate runoff election

01:08:42.360 of our lives.

01:08:44.040 We'll discuss that here next on the Glenn Beck Program.

01:08:47.060 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:08:55.140 Back with our final hour here today, filling in on the Glenn Beck Program.

01:09:00.580 We are the crew from the Steve Dace Show.

01:09:02.860 That would be me, Steve Dace, Todd Erz, and Aaron McIntyre.

01:09:06.320 We've had a special guest with us who's our colleague here at the Blazin Conservative Review,

01:09:10.660 Daniel Horowitz.

01:09:11.480 We've been talking about the state of play for conservatives and conservatism heading into

01:09:18.480 2021.

01:09:19.540 And, of course, a lot of attention right now, gentlemen, and that's where we're going to

01:09:23.740 go next, is on the Georgia Senate runoff.

01:09:27.680 Georgia's having yet another hearing in the legislature today as we speak about voter fraud

01:09:33.280 allegations in the state.

01:09:34.760 The governor, Brian Kemp, who has had, I guess we would call it a combustible relationship

01:09:43.020 with Donald Trump this year.

01:09:45.640 Although, it's been more like Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump, where Trump is constantly

01:09:50.540 on the attack, and the other guy's like, hey, I really support him.

01:09:54.100 I don't know why he's mad at me.

01:09:55.580 But that was what Kemp was saying earlier this year.

01:09:58.500 I thought the president was wrong to go after Brian Kemp when he was trying to reopen his

01:10:02.960 state.

01:10:03.460 I was firmly ensconced on Brian Kemp's side because that's where the data is, and I go

01:10:09.040 where data goes.

01:10:10.180 This time, I definitely lean more Trump on this one because, again, I go where the data

01:10:14.700 goes, and I don't trust the data out of his state because I don't trust Democrats in Fulton

01:10:18.620 County, Georgia.

01:10:19.520 But I guess that just makes me a traitor or something, right?

01:10:22.020 Or stupid or a moron, right?

01:10:23.820 Apparently.

01:10:24.900 But the Georgia Senate runoff is a week from yesterday.

01:10:30.680 Control in the U.S. Senate hangs in the balance.

01:10:33.420 You have David Perdue, Kelly Loeffler, two incumbents trying to hold off two Democrats

01:10:38.920 with the exact same ballot-harvesting mail-in voting system, my bad, that we had in the

01:10:46.940 presidential election in place here.

01:10:48.700 The early voting numbers in terms of totals of turnout are just off the chain.

01:10:54.920 I mean, the numbers are sky high.

01:10:56.760 So, let's talk about this runoff, and Daniel, I'll start with you.

01:11:01.880 How does this outcome, whatever it is, change the political landscape next year?

01:11:06.920 Either way, what do you think?

01:11:09.080 So, let's start off with the math.

01:11:10.640 If Democrats have a 92 to 8 majority in the Senate and two seats are at stake, how much

01:11:16.780 does it make a difference?

01:11:17.880 And I think that's really the question here.

01:11:20.120 Now, let me just start off with the-

01:11:21.380 Explain your 92 to 8 majority.

01:11:22.900 Well, I mean, I was being charitable by saying there's 8 conservatives in the Senate.

01:11:27.600 There really aren't, but let's just call it 8.

01:11:30.700 Look, look at the legislation we just had last week.

01:11:34.080 Every major legislation that is passed is passed with supermajorities.

01:11:39.280 Name me the number of Republicans in the Senate that share a modicum of Republican values on

01:11:45.700 the issues of our time.

01:11:47.000 How many Republicans in the Senate oppose lockdowns?

01:11:51.080 I mean, it's somewhere in the single digits.

01:11:52.440 Yep, it is.

01:11:53.400 So, no, I mean, it is, and hopefully not the lower single digits, but that's where it is.

01:11:58.600 So, that's what I mean by it.

01:11:59.580 Now, let me just say the one wrinkle, I think the one major effect Democrats flipping those

01:12:06.240 seats would have is in the following sense.

01:12:10.320 But if Democrats win, it will make Kavanaugh even more reluctant to rule properly on cases

01:12:18.240 in front of him because he will fear the Democrat, at least their threat, of packing the courts,

01:12:24.520 whereas I think without those votes, without winning those seats, they won't have the ability

01:12:29.140 to do that.

01:12:29.720 But as far as every other issue, I want to make it very clear to your audience, if there's

01:12:34.100 one thing you get from me today, it's this.

01:12:36.940 We don't live in the old paradigm where you mechanically pass a bill.

01:12:42.020 Let's say, oh, I want to institute the new Green Deal. 1.00

01:12:45.160 I want to institute, abolish ICE.

01:12:48.560 Here it goes through the House.

01:12:50.000 We have some committee hearings.

01:12:51.420 We have a markup.

01:12:52.560 We vote.

01:12:53.140 Then we go to the Senate and do the same.

01:12:55.000 And then it goes to the president for signature or at a state level with the governor.

01:12:58.920 That's not how it works.

01:13:00.540 They implement their stuff executively.

01:13:03.420 They implement it through the courts.

01:13:04.940 And now they implement it through the streets and the culture, like we saw with BLM. 0.83

01:13:09.440 And we have more crime and more prison releases ever this year.

01:13:14.000 And almost none of that was passed legislatively.

01:13:17.160 It's done on the streets.

01:13:19.020 It's done without a vote.

01:13:21.360 So it doesn't matter.

01:13:23.500 They're never going to pass, abolish ICE because it's stupid for them.

01:13:28.220 They'll get the liability and the blowback from the electorate.

01:13:31.420 You know what they do?

01:13:32.680 They're not going to take away ICE's salary.

01:13:35.900 They're not going to shutter their buildings.

01:13:36.840 Funded below Obama era levels.

01:13:38.460 They just do it that way.

01:13:39.840 Or they take away your purview.

01:13:41.840 You can't deport anyone.

01:13:44.880 They're not going to pass the new Green Deal. 0.69

01:13:47.120 They're just going to have the Department of Interior say you need to do X, Y, and Z in order to do fracking, which is ostensibly never doing it.

01:13:55.060 That's what they're going to do.

01:13:56.440 And Republicans are never going to use that 51 rhino majority in the Senate to go and force a budget battle over those issues because they didn't do it when they had all three branches or two.

01:14:11.000 So they're certainly not going to do it with one.

01:14:13.580 That is the reality.

01:14:14.680 So I just wanted people to understand mechanically what I mean when I say it doesn't make a difference who wins those Senate seats.

01:14:21.760 Here's where I largely agree with your analysis, and the only reason I don't totally agree with it is because I'm already hypercynical, and I'm afraid of what would happen to me if I allow myself to go from 9.75 to the 10 that you are at.

01:14:38.640 Okay?

01:14:39.080 So that's my own self-defense mechanism.

01:14:42.680 But here's where I do think it matters.

01:14:45.980 Don't you think the outcome next Tuesday validates or verifies one way or the other the presidential voter fraud claims?

01:14:56.460 I mean, if yes, if if Trump if if the two Republicans win those seats, then doesn't that hurt the cause that those of us that are saying, hey, look at the anomalies and doesn't it actually bolster the cause of some of our friends who are conservative and don't think there's voter fraud because they just think that Trump uniquely drove out a vote opposed to him because of his persona.

01:15:17.260 Doesn't it help their cause anecdotally, at least in that case, on the other hand, if if if if they do that, but they do it again, doesn't it point to what we are saying?

01:15:29.760 You see what I'm trying to say, Daniel?

01:15:30.800 Doesn't doesn't the outcome one way or the other provide some anecdotal confirmation about the dueling narratives of this presidential election?

01:15:38.620 Absolutely, because the biggest exculpatory claim against voter fraud is to say, no, the reason why Republicans never lost a single House seat, despite losing the presidential election, is just this large dichotomy between suburban white voters around big metro areas like, you know, in Fulton County.

01:16:01.000 Their attitude towards Trump versus their desire that Democrats in general don't win because they don't agree with the Democrats because they're too radical.

01:16:11.320 I think I think that will really shed a lot of light on it.

01:16:14.060 Absolutely.

01:16:14.620 I mean, don't Democrats, therefore, on the other hand, feel pressured to run the exact if we're right that they ballot harvested in a county like Fulton County.

01:16:22.000 Don't they feel pressure, therefore, then to run that exact scheme back in this Senate runoff?

01:16:27.100 Otherwise, it it kind of gets pointed out that the other way, too, doesn't it?

01:16:32.420 Right.

01:16:33.520 They kind of have to, don't they?

01:16:34.660 Don't Democrats have to do it again? 0.99

01:16:36.900 Well, it looks like they've already done that.

01:16:39.320 If you look at the early voting numbers, I just think that's an angle to this that's probably not been discussed enough because there's so much talk about the focus on whether the power goes to the Senate or not.

01:16:50.320 And listen, a week from now, Democrats could have total control in Washington.

01:16:55.980 But, man, I know and you and I agree they will pursue that regardless of what their margins are with reckless abandon.

01:17:02.700 But you don't have to alienate too many people to get a massive comeuppance in the next election when you have the smallest, that would be the smallest House majority in 80 years, potentially a 50-50 Senate that Kamala Harris is breaking a tie with. 0.98

01:17:20.700 And then a presidential election where 75 million people feel like they got disenfranchised.

01:17:25.360 I mean, the level of backlash that you could face with those kinds of scant majorities in the way you govern in the next election could be monumental.

01:17:34.640 But we'll talk about that in the future.

01:17:36.560 All right, Todd and Aaron, I want to get you guys' take on this and the Georgia Senate runoff when we come back.

01:17:40.640 The Georgia Senate runoff.

01:17:42.220 How does that result next Tuesday change the paradigm, the landscape, one way or the other?

01:17:46.800 I'm really tracking with Daniel in his answer because I was actually going to say, you know, you really have to have 50, I think, 92 to 8, really.

01:17:56.800 You've got to have 92 Republican senators to 8 to really make a difference.

01:18:02.540 So I'm tracking with him because I don't want this to sound nihilistic at all.

01:18:10.080 Oh, of course not.

01:18:10.440 But my goodness.

01:18:12.120 Tis the season after all, yes.

01:18:13.840 My goodness, it really doesn't matter at the end of the day because I'd like to introduce you to Obama's pen and phone and a willing bureaucracy and let's call it a deep state who willingly carries out the edicts.

01:18:29.060 Unless maybe by some chance they go to the Supreme Court rule where John Roberts will once again change the definition of what words are.

01:18:38.100 Okay, that's how this game is played.

01:18:41.320 There's no doubt, as was mentioned in the previous segment, it doesn't really matter if Democrats have control of either chamber of Congress.

01:18:53.600 Now, it helps grease the skids of where they want to take the country.

01:18:57.280 That's for sure.

01:18:58.960 But at the end of the day, it really doesn't matter because they're going to do it by hook or by crook.

01:19:04.840 So I really don't think it changes the political landscape.

01:19:08.740 By all means, though, I mean, if you want to see gridlock, if you want that chance to see gridlock, which is basically what this is a vote for, by all means vote.

01:19:17.800 But it's not really going to change the landscape all that much.

01:19:21.260 It has a chance to slow things down, but changing the landscape, not so much.

01:19:27.200 I chuckled yesterday when Biden was complaining he wasn't getting the proper foreign policy and Defense Department briefings for a presidential transition.

01:19:37.940 So he's basically behind the eight ball from an information standpoint.

01:19:41.660 I'm like, come on now, because based on what we all have been watching on CNN for the last few years, it looks like the Biden campaign and the Pentagon and the State Department, it looks like the intelligence community, it looks to us like they've actually been quite cozy and friendly and informing one another on a nightly basis, in fact.

01:20:01.340 All right, Todd, your answer.

01:20:02.920 Well, we all know it's true as much as it hurts.

01:20:04.960 But like I said, the best case scenario to what I want is reality, even if it hurts.

01:20:09.920 And I said earlier, the best case for this election is to have it actually be stolen for us to know it and to wake up and realize why and what we need to be do differently.

01:20:20.320 I mean, it was stolen in Georgia, of all places.

01:20:24.480 Georgia.

01:20:25.700 Something's come off the rails.

01:20:26.960 And if that means also the Senate needs to be lost, because right now, even in the face of everything we've seen in 2020, Steve and I talk about this all the time.

01:20:35.480 People can't wait for 2021.

01:20:37.500 It's going to be better.

01:20:38.220 It's got to return to normal.

01:20:39.180 We're better than this.

01:20:40.160 We can't.

01:20:40.480 No, we're not.

01:20:41.040 We're not better than this.

01:20:41.960 It's not going to return to normal.

01:20:43.680 It's going to be just as bad, if not worse.

01:20:45.860 That's the smart money.

01:20:47.320 And whatever it takes for you to wake up to that fact is, quite frankly, what we need.

01:20:54.440 All right.

01:20:55.640 Final question that we're going to tackle here today before we let Daniel go.

01:21:00.140 And that question is this.

01:21:02.800 If you could give a national address to conservatives, what would you say?

01:21:11.240 And Daniel, we're going to let you go first and take the time within reason that you need.

01:21:16.380 What would you say to conservatives nationwide?

01:21:19.980 And you've got a pretty good-sized audience of conservatives right now, obviously, here in a Hall of Famers program.

01:21:24.720 But if you could, I mean, if they were all tuned in, what would you be telling them?

01:21:28.280 Well, look, and thanks for the opportunity, and thank you, Glenn, as well.

01:21:33.020 It's time we look inwards.

01:21:35.380 Take a look at the 24 to 30 states where Republicans control everything, often with super majorities.

01:21:44.120 There's no one to blame.

01:21:45.300 You can't say, oh, my gosh, we can't have the Democrats win.

01:21:49.580 We might have socialism.

01:21:50.900 We have in Hocking County, Ohio, a red county within a red state, Trump carried it by a 52-point margin, 72 to 20.

01:21:59.960 And a woman was whisked away at a middle school football game outdoors and tased for not wearing a mask.

01:22:08.160 In Idaho, a church singer had an outdoor event.

01:22:14.100 He was arrested.

01:22:15.620 What we are doing is not working.

01:22:18.360 Are we going to spend the rest of our lives doubling down on failure?

01:22:24.200 I mean, the Republican Party has existed in defiance of its base since Reagan.

01:22:30.920 That's a longer period of time than the entire shelf life of the Whig Party.

01:22:35.980 Hey, guy 16, you have so much, and you bring in little.

01:22:39.340 You eat without being satiated.

01:22:40.800 You drink without getting your fill.

01:22:42.360 You dress, and it has no warmth.

01:22:44.420 And he who profits profits into a bundle with holes.

01:22:47.380 Now, what does it say after that?

01:22:50.420 So said the Lord, consider your ways.

01:22:52.640 Ascend the mountain.

01:22:53.720 Bring wood.

01:22:54.700 And build the house, and I will accept it, and I will be honored, said the Lord.

01:22:57.940 It's time we actually build that wood like a Boy Scout from bottom up in affirmative movement that we could be proud of. 0.55

01:23:05.960 Start in the Trump plus 15 counties within the red states.

01:23:10.640 Right now we have 50 blue states.

01:23:12.540 So let's start there where people intuitively agree with us.

01:23:16.420 Start pressuring the sheriff, the school board officials, the county commissioners, the county judges.

01:23:22.480 This is where it all is.

01:23:24.360 Get involved in those primaries.

01:23:25.860 Then go to state legislature and governor.

01:23:29.020 And what's going to happen is one of two things.

01:23:31.260 Either we will finally take over the Republican Party, or it will reach a point of no return where we will now have a strong enough infrastructure movement to easily start a third party, which will become that second party, and collapse the other side.

01:23:48.320 But time is of the essence, and we have to act now.

01:23:51.580 You know why?

01:23:52.940 Because as C.S. Lewis warned, those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own consciousness.

01:24:04.340 And that's what they're doing with corona fascism.

01:24:06.780 It will not end unless we make it end, and that's going to happen at a local level.

01:24:12.260 When you say, Daniel, there aren't any red states, what do you mean by that?

01:24:18.900 I mean that there is no state that Republicans have control of everything, and the governance, not just related to stuff we cared about 50 years ago, but even relating to the most pressing issues of our time, like letting criminals out of jail and locking up Americans in corona fascism.

01:24:40.120 We don't have a single state that is nearly as red as California is blue, or even a fraction as red.

01:24:47.360 Wyoming, there's two Democrats left in the state Senate.

01:24:50.440 There's no Democrats around there.

01:24:52.380 The governor talks like Cuomo.

01:24:55.140 I mean, I'm just telling you, that is my point.

01:24:57.900 Show me one state.

01:24:58.760 You know, perhaps Florida.

01:25:00.360 Florida perhaps, although I don't know if the Republican legislature is that great there.

01:25:04.800 But that is the point.

01:25:06.300 We need to look inward, start with the low-hanging fruit.

01:25:09.100 Start where people agree with us.

01:25:11.240 And look, if we could have three, five, seven states where we could have an asylum for civil and religious liberty, I'll take that over zero.

01:25:19.660 I think Florida is going to be the Megiddo state of 2021, Daniel. 1.00

01:25:27.940 I think you're watching Ron DeSantis is essentially going to launch a full frontal assault on COVID stand from his state in 2021.

01:25:37.420 And, you know, we spent a lot of time last hour talking about if Trump is out of the White House next year, what does that look like for him?

01:25:44.740 And we all agreed to various points that he would dominate the narrative from a messaging and branding standpoint.

01:25:51.140 But on the policy side of things, Ron DeSantis is going to be the face of the loyal opposition, I believe, next year.

01:25:59.260 And you can already see it the way the media is covering and lying about Florida like they did Sweden all of this year.

01:26:04.040 It's going to be Ron DeSantis versus the world next year.

01:26:07.220 And it looks to me like that's a fight that he actually is picking.

01:26:09.500 He's picking the fight.

01:26:10.160 So I will be fascinated to see how it turns out.

01:26:13.020 As always, my friend, it's great to talk to you.

01:26:16.220 Thanks for joining us, Daniel Horowitz.

01:26:17.860 Get his work at The Blaze and Conservative Review.

01:26:20.500 Subscribe to his podcast as well.

01:26:22.320 Thank you, Daniel.

01:26:22.900 As always, brother, Happy New Year.

01:26:24.120 God bless.

01:26:25.320 Happy New Year.

01:26:26.060 All right, we'll come back.

01:26:27.060 Todd and Aaron, could you get your answers to that question as well?

01:26:30.120 What would we say if we had an opportunity to speak to every conservative in the country?

01:26:36.740 More on that in a moment.

01:26:38.780 I want to thank our good friend and colleague here at The Blaze and Conservative Review, Daniel Horowitz, for joining us here today on the Glenn Beck Program.

01:26:46.820 Hopefully you enjoyed a little pre-New Year's revelry, otherwise known as his unique brand of woe and lamentation.

01:26:54.860 We are the crew from The Steve Dace Show, filling in for Glenn Beck here for another 25 minutes or so on stations around the country.

01:27:01.300 That's me, Steve Dace, Todd Erzin, Aaron McIntyre.

01:27:04.140 And, men, we've been doing kind of this roundtable conversation on the state of play for conservatives and conservatism and conservative media heading into the new year.

01:27:14.060 And the final question that we're going to tackle today, we just got Daniel's answer, and I kind of cleared the deck.

01:27:19.620 I wanted to give him ample time to give it.

01:27:21.320 So, now it's the three of us, our turn.

01:27:26.640 If we had, and we've got a pretty sizable audience every day on The Blaze, and a pretty sizable audience right here, even in a holiday week on, you know, one of the most successful talk radio programs of all time, the Glenn Beck Program.

01:27:39.160 But if we could get to everybody that we're not tuned in with us right now, everybody that doesn't have us on right now, if we could talk to all conservatives in America right now, what would we say, Todd?

01:27:53.260 Well, you're right about Governor DeSantis.

01:27:55.480 But as we've talked about on our show before, Florida is the 400-pound gorilla in the room, so that spotlight is there no matter what.

01:28:08.380 I would talk to everybody else about making sure the spotlight finds you in your own place.

01:28:16.760 It is time for action.

01:28:18.440 We're way beyond words.

01:28:19.980 We're way beyond confabs and book signings.

01:28:22.760 It's about what can you do in your own backyard.

01:28:25.860 So, while not everybody can be DeSantis, you can be Christy Ngo.

01:28:31.160 What she has manufactured in South Dakota, and listen, I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt that it's all real, okay, that this isn't some kind of grift.

01:28:43.140 But you'll recall, and I don't even remember what the issues are, Steve.

01:28:46.560 Maybe you do, but back when he was in Congress, there was some concern.

01:28:49.560 It was pretty underwhelming.

01:28:50.500 It was underwhelming, maybe a little squishy.

01:28:53.020 I mean, not a sellout, but I don't even remember what the issues were.

01:28:57.380 It was squishy.

01:28:58.740 Yeah.

01:28:59.020 Yeah.

01:28:59.560 It wasn't that, you know, you were like, oh, she's stabbing me in the back, but you were kind of like, this really, it wasn't anything really special.

01:29:06.900 Well, here in this moment, she figured out how to grab opportunity by the horns and move hearts and minds to the point people are seriously thinking of South Dakota as a place they would move to. 0.56

01:29:24.900 And we got to start thinking about-

01:29:26.380 Like South Dakota marketing that you move there is not a joke right now or a punchline.

01:29:29.720 Right.

01:29:29.880 People are like, I don't know, I mean, January and February kind of blow chunk watts, but tell me about the rest of the year.

01:29:35.140 Right.

01:29:35.340 And moving with our feet, Steve, you've been talking about this for a long time.

01:29:38.400 I'm like, why do you still live there if you're a conservative in California?

01:29:41.540 You need to own those realities and make places like South Dakota or if not in Iowa, Missouri, places like Oklahoma, what can we, even if we're defaulting towards right now, how can we make this lock solid?

01:30:00.960 And it goes to speaks to what Daniel said, all you conservatives that never think about running for school board, you run for school board.

01:30:07.960 You need to get involved at every level of government, board of regents.

01:30:12.680 Why in God's name is the University of Texas a liberal institution in any way, shape or form?

01:30:19.780 Fix that.

01:30:21.120 These are the places you need to take turf in these places. 0.99

01:30:24.600 You need to be Christy gnome, have no illusions anymore, whatever.

01:30:29.400 And I get it.

01:30:30.380 You went to Washington, you had ideas of, you watched West Wing, it inspired you, you thought you could make a difference, it chewed you up and spit you out.

01:30:39.340 Well, take the opportunities where you can to actually make a difference by being uncompromising, realizing your enemy is just as vicious there at your local school board often as they are in Washington, D.C.

01:30:52.220 But you have a hundred times greater chance of winning there.

01:30:56.180 That's why I chose the school district.

01:30:57.940 My kids go to a public school.

01:30:59.280 I have scalps on my wall of the victories I've won there because you can win there.

01:31:05.320 So win them there and build up.

01:31:07.040 We need to be thinking that way.

01:31:08.380 You're not going to win them right now with the exception of some pretty amazing Hail Marys in Washington, D.C.

01:31:14.560 You can win them all the time in states like Iowa, South Dakota, Missouri.

01:31:18.760 Josh Hawley, as we speak, is making a difference.

01:31:23.420 That's breaking news.

01:31:24.300 He's the first senator to go on the record saying, I mean, Tommy Tuberville, the incoming senator in Alabama, the former football coach, has intimated he's thought about it.

01:31:33.000 But Josh Hawley at Missouri is the first to go on the record saying he will object to the electors as a U.S. senator.

01:31:39.860 That's going to force them to vote on it, right?

01:31:41.920 Yeah, that's what that's going to do.

01:31:43.520 All right.

01:31:44.080 Aaron, were you done?

01:31:45.440 Go.

01:31:45.860 Okay.

01:31:46.160 Aaron.

01:31:46.460 Yeah, my message is a variation of that.

01:31:49.020 And it's don't be afraid.

01:31:51.240 And if you are, overcome it because you don't have a choice right now.

01:31:55.080 You know, the great aviator Chuck Yeager passed away recently in the last two to three weeks.

01:32:02.060 What a dude.

01:32:03.260 What a dude.

01:32:04.580 And he was a guy who, at a very early age, didn't really have a whole lot of interest in flying, but had great eyesight.

01:32:12.720 So they said, hey, we're going to make you go into the Air Force.

01:32:15.960 And he was an ace in World War II.

01:32:17.580 And then after that, he proceeded to do a variety of test pilot operations, including being the first human being to break the sound barrier.

01:32:28.040 You probably know his story.

01:32:29.300 But you hear stories like General Yeager's.

01:32:33.300 I'm sure there's somebody in your family, whether it's a grandpa or a great grandpa, maybe they told stories of being in wars previously, World War II.

01:32:44.320 And it's just a different brand of man, a different variety of man than what we see right now.

01:32:52.360 Because you think about the guys, the young men, some of them teenagers, on those Higgins boats headed towards Omaha Beach.

01:33:01.100 You think about a dear family friend of mine, Dale Miller, who was awarded the Bronze Star for mapping out South Pacific Japanese-controlled islands by night.

01:33:12.580 You think those guys were afraid?

01:33:14.460 Of course they were afraid.

01:33:15.500 But they overcame it.

01:33:18.580 That's what each of us have to do.

01:33:21.940 As you're headed towards the next beach, you may be afraid.

01:33:25.900 You got to overcome it.

01:33:27.260 You don't have a choice.

01:33:28.660 Establish a beachhead.

01:33:30.300 Map out the next island.

01:33:31.820 Take that island.

01:33:33.080 As Todd was saying, go for the achievable victories.

01:33:37.440 Because they're out there.

01:33:38.580 And the number one thing is, take ownership.

01:33:42.960 Take ownership of your own community.

01:33:46.060 Don't say, ah, so-and-so down the street with their, in this house we believe sign, did it again.

01:33:51.020 They want to get, no, that's on you.

01:33:53.100 You take ownership of it.

01:33:55.600 So don't be afraid.

01:33:57.100 Don't be afraid of walking into a store without a mask.

01:34:00.140 Don't be afraid of opening up your business.

01:34:02.960 Don't be afraid of the, of, maybe sometimes, as Todd has talked about in his own, in his own community as well, don't be afraid of confrontation when it's warranted.

01:34:13.480 If you are afraid, then overcome it.

01:34:15.780 Because then it gets a lot easier.

01:34:17.840 So that's my main message.

01:34:19.240 You can't make fear-based decisions.

01:34:21.560 You can't make fear-based decisions.

01:34:23.260 You got to overcome fear.

01:34:26.740 Very well said, both of you.

01:34:28.180 I can't, on a thematic level, add anything more or better than what you guys and then Daniel on the last segment had to say.

01:34:39.680 So let me just spend a couple of brief moments talking about this practically.

01:34:45.260 I'm a kid born to a 15-year-old mom.

01:34:50.060 I had to spend a year at Grand Rapids Community College that couldn't get admitted to the school I wanted to go to, the University of Michigan, because my math score on my ACT was abysmally low.

01:35:00.200 I once failed the quick trip managerial exam.

01:35:03.880 That's a convenience store chain in the Midwest, because I couldn't remember how to add, divide, subtract, and multiply fractions.

01:35:12.860 Okay?

01:35:13.540 I got kicked out of university when I eventually got in, because I spent too much time playing Super Tecmo Bowl and intramural basketball and not going to any classes.

01:35:23.220 The point is, I'm not from some elite family.

01:35:28.740 I didn't go to some elite university.

01:35:31.600 I have taken advantage, though, of the opportunities that this country and the Lord have offered me.

01:35:37.800 And I've been a part of the only successful grassroots effort that's ever gotten rid of state Supreme Court justices in American history.

01:35:47.180 The two Iowa caucus winners that went from point negative percent to getting the most votes of all time.

01:35:53.940 I've helped recruit scores of candidates that have gotten elected to offices in my own state and across the country.

01:36:00.280 Meaning that if I can do this, I've done the things that people are talking about here, and if I can do them, the kid born to the 15-year-old mom who ate government cheese, if I can do them, folks, so can you in the audience as well.

01:36:16.120 The answer, ladies and gentlemen, the answer is us.

01:36:21.080 More in a moment.

01:36:23.660 Final segment here filling in today on the Glenn Beck Program.

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01:37:06.420 And again, we continue to get phenomenal response to yesterday's show and the discussion about my two books,

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01:37:15.400 And it's sequel book, Nefarious Carol, that was released just about a week or so ago.

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01:37:41.340 I want to give you a taste of, you know, we went heavily meta these past two days.

01:37:45.940 And we will definitely do meta on our show on a daily basis, but we do a lot of data as well.

01:37:53.800 I'm a data guy, okay?

01:37:56.160 Data analysis strategy and messaging are kind of the three areas that I help out with when someone's desperate enough to seek out my help in a political operation.

01:38:08.320 And one of my, a radio station I grew up listening to, Wood AM in Grand Rapids, Michigan, it's where I grew up as a kid.

01:38:19.360 Even though I was born in Iowa, I spent my teenage years in Michigan and that's how I fell in love with all the states, sports teams, go blue.

01:38:28.080 You have been lied to in my old home state of Michigan for a long, long time.

01:38:34.000 I want to give you some data.

01:38:34.980 Michigan and Sweden have essentially the exact same population.

01:38:44.640 And you've been told, well, you know, Sweden gave up on COVID-19 freedom and they went to a lockdown.

01:38:50.220 I actually went to the Swedish government website because I don't trust our media and read an English translation.

01:38:55.480 These are the new restrictions in Sweden.

01:38:57.140 Are you ready?

01:38:58.600 Can't have mass public events of more than eight people at a time.

01:39:02.980 Other than that, restaurants, bars, shopping centers, schools, all still open, no masks.

01:39:09.480 That, that is the Swedish lockdown.

01:39:12.040 Now, is it dumb?

01:39:13.920 Yeah.

01:39:14.860 Is it anything close to how we have defined lockdown here in this country and throughout the Western world for the past nine months?

01:39:21.660 It's not even close.

01:39:22.520 Well, Michigan and Sweden have virtually the same amount of people.

01:39:28.500 Michigan has had, as of, as of Monday, 519,876 COVID-19 cases, 12,754 deaths with one of the most lockdown fetishist governors in the country, Gretchen Whitmer.

01:39:45.860 Right?

01:39:46.080 Like, she is, she's like the queen pimp of, pimpress of lockdowns. 0.96

01:39:51.780 Right?

01:39:52.120 Indeed.

01:39:52.580 Couldn't even go get seed in your, you know, plant flowers in your garden last spring.

01:39:56.560 Right?

01:39:57.900 Sweden, 396,048 cases, 8,279 deaths.

01:40:03.680 In other words, about 140,000 fewer cases, well over 4,000 fewer deaths without anything close to the restriction of freedom that you all have experienced in Michigan.

01:40:18.680 And that is just part of what we do every day on our show.

01:40:24.520 We have a zeal for truth.

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01:40:30.200 We seek out facts.

01:40:31.520 We give opinions based on what data and facts say, not on what we wish them to say.

01:40:38.240 And that is something, I think, for a lot of you, if you're looking for objective information, and we are too.

01:40:45.780 We are too.

01:40:46.840 Now, we are not a news show.

01:40:48.620 We're an opinion commentary show.

01:40:50.340 But we try to, best we can, to give our opinions and commentary based on actual facts and truthful information.

01:40:58.820 And as we sign off with our second voyage of filling in for Glenn here over the holidays, and then next week we will return to our more modest corner of the universe.

01:41:08.800 If you are looking for an incentive to hang around, if you're a Blaze TV subscriber or you want to become one, and you watch Glenn's show every day, and you want to hang around from noon to 2 Eastern after he's done and the B team comes on, that's what we do, the data.

01:41:25.680 And this coming year, already you're getting lied to more than ever before, but now when big pharma, big government, and big tech are going to be virtually indistinguishable from one another, you're going to need as many outlets that will just bravely follow the truth no matter where it goes as you can get.

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01:42:07.740 Have a happy new year.

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