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00:03:19.000 I'm going to start with Epstein, man.

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00:05:12.000 Newly released Department of Justice documents show that investigators reviewing surveillance footage from the night of Jeffrey Epstein's death observed an orange colored shape.

00:05:27.000 I don't know about you, but orange colored shapes move around my house all the time.

00:05:34.000 An orange colored shape was moving up the staircase towards the isolated locked tier where Jeffrey Epstein's cell was located at approximately 1039 PM on August 9th, 2019.

00:05:49.000 That entry in an observation log of the video from the Metropolitan Correctional Center appears to suggest something previously unreported by authorities.

00:06:00.000 A flash of orange looks to be going up the L tier stairs.

00:06:05.000 Could possibly be an inmate escorted up to that tier.

00:06:10.000 That's what's in their observation log.

00:06:13.000 This again reported now by CBS News.

00:06:16.000 It also appears according to an FBI memorandum that reviews by investigators left disparate conclusions by the FBI and those examining the same video from the Department of Justice Office of Inspector General.

00:06:31.000 FBI log describes the fuzzy image as possibly an inmate.

00:06:37.000 I don't know if you know this, but inmates at 1039 are not going around, uh, in that area outside of their cell.

00:06:46.000 So FBI, that doesn't make sense.

00:06:49.000 The inspector general logs it as an officer carrying orange linen or bedding.

00:06:55.000 Okay.

00:06:56.000 We now know they knew when they wrote that in there, they knew that bedding is delivered the shift before this.

00:07:05.000 So it would have been five o'clock in the afternoon before these people were even, uh, in that's when you deliver bedding.

00:07:10.000 No one is allowed on that floor at 10 39.

00:07:14.000 You would have to lock.

00:07:15.000 You would have to log in.

00:07:17.000 So delivering bedding.

00:07:19.000 No.

00:07:21.000 The guards say that would have been, uh, a breach of protocol.

00:07:27.000 And you would have had to sign something.

00:07:32.000 The final report says approximately 10 39 PM and an unidentified CO appeared to walk up the L tier stairway.

00:07:40.000 So we're no longer just an orange shape.

00:07:42.000 This, this orange shape seems to have legs.

00:07:45.000 And then reappeared within the view of the camera at 10 41 PM.

00:07:50.000 Official reports state that Epstein died by suicide sometime before 6 30 AM when his body was discovered before breakfast, blah, blah, blah.

00:07:59.000 An in-depth analysis of surveillance video from the jail, CBS news previously reported on the figure on the stairs and consulted independent video analysts who say the movement was more consistent with an inmate or someone wearing an orange prison uniform than a corrections officer.

00:08:17.000 The new records raise more questions about the activity near Epstein's tear late that evening.

00:08:23.000 Official reviews of Epstein's death make no mention of the figure in.

00:08:26.000 Oh, let me just say official reviews of Epstein's death make no mention of the figure in orange and later pronouncements from authorities, including the attorney general at the time, Bill Barr were that no one entered Epstein's housing tear the night of his death.

00:08:45.000 Last summer in an interview on Fox and friends, then deputy FBI director, Dan Bongino said, quote, there's video clear as day.

00:08:53.000 He is the only person in there and the only person coming out.

00:08:58.000 You can see it.

00:08:59.000 Prison employees interviewed by CBS news said escorting an inmate at that hour would have been highly unusual.

00:09:06.000 The identification of the individual could have been crucial to reconstructing the events.

00:09:11.000 You think so, given that the sighting occurred within the estimated window of Epstein's possible time of death?

00:09:18.000 OK, this I warn you, this is about to get worse.

00:09:22.000 The staircase leading to his cell tear was captured by the only camera known to have been recording that night, positioned in a way that partially obscured the approach to Epstein's tear.

00:09:34.000 Government investigators relied heavily on that footage in reconstructing the timeline of the events.

00:09:41.000 But because of the camera's angle, it was not possible to rule out whether somebody could have climbed the stairs and entered the tear without being clearly visible.

00:09:50.000 CBS news analysts of the analysis of that video found additional contradictions between what the video showed and the official statements.

00:10:01.000 OK, you ready?

00:10:03.000 Buckle up. 0.96

00:10:05.000 I just learned some things in the next few paragraphs that I didn't know.

00:10:11.000 Among those interviewed were the two corrections officers assigned to the unit that night.

00:10:17.000 Let me just ask you, what do you know about these guys?

00:10:20.000 All I know about these guys is they fell asleep.

00:10:24.000 OK, that's all I know about them.

00:10:26.000 Tova Noel and Guito Bonhomme were assigned to the unit that night.

00:10:36.000 They've not been publicly identified until now.

00:10:40.000 Documents show Bonhomme was interviewed twice in September 2019 in sessions conducted in lieu of a grand jury subpoena.

00:10:49.000 Interesting.

00:10:50.000 According to Noel's account, Bonhomme had been working multiple consecutive shifts and slept while on duty for a period of approximately 10 p.m. and midnight.

00:11:00.000 Investigators also questioned Noel about the unexplained change in the recorded number of inmates in the SHU, which appeared to drop from 73 to 72 sometime between 10 and 3 a.m.

00:11:16.000 She said she was just probably mistaken about the discrepancy and told investigators she had no memory of account changing.

00:11:23.000 OK, I'm just going to just dismiss that one.

00:11:27.000 That's just somebody is writing the wrong number in.

00:11:29.000 OK, let's just go with that.

00:11:30.000 He can't do it with the rest of this stuff.

00:11:33.000 Neither officer, neither officer were specifically asked about the orange colored figure noted in the video observation log.

00:11:44.000 Bonhomme told investigators that he did not remember the period between 10 p.m. and midnight, said he had no recollection of anyone walking up the stairs towards Epstein's tier around 1030.

00:11:54.000 Yeah, because he was asleep.

00:11:56.000 He added, however, that a jail employee entering a tier alone would have violated all of their policies.

00:12:04.000 Yeah, probably sleep would have to a separate internal presentation, including in the doc included in the document release described a corrections officer believed by investigators to be Noel carrying linen or inmate clothing up to the tier.

00:12:20.000 The 2023 inspector general report did not identify Noel as the figure seen in the footage in her interview.

00:12:28.000 Noel told investigators distributing linen was not part of my duties.

00:12:33.000 I never gave out linen linen ever because that's done on the shift prior.

00:12:39.000 OK.

00:12:41.000 So they leave this out in the inspector general report, but they do not address the orange figure that is moving up.

00:12:48.000 They just say it's not these two.

00:12:51.000 You ready?

00:12:52.000 OK, here we go.

00:12:56.000 Thomas and Noel failed to complete inmate counts at 3 a.m. and 5 a.m.

00:13:01.000 as well as mandatory 30 minute wellness checks of Epstein.

00:13:05.000 All night long, they didn't do any of those things.

00:13:08.000 Thomas and Noel were later charged with falsifying records certifying the inmate counts had been completed.

00:13:15.000 Federal prosecutors eventually dropped the charges in exchange for cooperation agreements that included interviews.

00:13:22.000 A transcript of Thomas's interview conducted two years after Epstein's death and released in the recent document disclosure shows significant gaps in his recollection of the morning Epstein was found.

00:13:34.000 Ready?

00:13:35.000 Ready?

00:13:36.000 Thomas told investigators he discovered Epstein in his cells shortly after 6 30 a.m. on August 10th and that he ripped Epstein down from the hanging position.

00:13:47.000 Investigators asked.

00:13:49.000 What happened to the noose?

00:13:56.000 What happened to the noose?

00:13:59.000 Have you heard any of this before?

00:14:01.000 What happened to the noose?

00:14:03.000 Quote, I don't recall taking the noose off.

00:14:06.000 I really don't.

00:14:07.000 I don't.

00:14:08.000 I don't recall taking the thing from around his neck.

00:14:11.000 Noel, who remains standing at the cell entrance, told investigators she saw Thomas lower Epstein to the floor, but did not see a noose around his neck.

00:14:21.000 The noose Epstein allegedly used has never been identified.

00:14:29.000 According to the inspector general's report, a noose collected at the scene was later determined not to be the noose used in Epstein's death.

00:14:40.000 Okay.

00:14:42.000 All right.

00:14:43.000 First, you had us believe that it was a paper noose.

00:14:46.000 Now you're saying the paper noose that was found was not the noose that killed him.

00:14:53.000 In fact, you can't find the noose, the paper noose.

00:14:57.000 And this one was later added to the scene.

00:15:00.000 By whom?

00:15:01.000 By whom?

00:15:02.000 By whom?

00:15:03.000 By whom?

00:15:04.000 By whom?

00:15:05.000 By whom?

00:15:06.000 Thomas also described Epstein as shirtless when they found him.

00:15:11.000 Evidence records indicate a shirt believed to have been cut from Epstein's body was later returned from the hospital in a bag of personal stuff.

00:15:18.000 New documents also show that New York City's Office of the Chief Medical Examiner reviewed the jail surveillance footage six days after the death as part of his investigation, but concluded the video was too blurry to identify any individuals.

00:15:31.000 Hours later, the office publicly ruled Epstein's death a suicide.

00:15:36.000 Wait, you don't have the murder or suicide weapon.

00:15:41.000 The weapon that you do have, the noose, is not the noose that killed him.

00:15:46.000 No explanation on how that arrived later at the scene.

00:15:50.000 You have a blurry figure.

00:15:52.000 I don't care that you can't identify.

00:15:54.000 You have a blurry figure going up in the middle of the night and you can't identify that individual, but it's a blurry figure going up.

00:16:02.000 And yet you rule this a suicide.

00:16:05.000 That is fascinating to me.

00:16:07.000 By the way, CBS news previously reported on the office's unorthodox handling of the crime scene.

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00:18:08.000 What is the biggest problem in America right now?

00:18:11.000 What is the problem that we face?

00:18:13.000 I think there are two big problems.

00:18:15.000 One, we have no idea how our government works.

00:18:20.000 We don't, we can't describe our rights.

00:18:23.000 We can't describe our responsibilities.

00:18:25.000 We have no idea about the three branches of government.

00:18:28.000 No one knows how this system works.

00:18:31.000 And so it's working however it wants to work because the people have fallen asleep.

00:18:36.000 There's problem number one.

00:18:38.000 Number two, because the people fell asleep, there's all kinds of shady stuff going on that we all know now because it is so I'll bet you a third of our budget is, is gone in, in graft and, and, uh, bribes and whatever.

00:18:56.000 I'll bet you a third of our federal budget is nothing but a con.

00:19:01.000 Okay.

00:19:02.000 You know that I know that you can't trust the media.

00:19:06.000 You can't trust, you can't trust anybody anymore.

00:19:08.000 And now when they release, this is the problem with the Epstein thing.

00:19:12.000 Okay.

00:19:13.000 This is the ultimate test of trust.

00:19:18.000 You have to get trust back or you don't have a nation.

00:19:26.000 So nothing has felt right with this.

00:19:29.000 Nothing has felt right with this.

00:19:31.000 I don't know what you're going to find, if anything, because I think so many people are involved.

00:19:36.000 Would I like to get to the bottom of this?

00:19:38.000 Yes.

00:19:39.000 Do I think we're going to get to the bottom of this?

00:19:42.000 No, but thank God people are still looking into it that actually have the ability to look into it.

00:19:48.000 We still have a FISA warrant out or a FISA request out.

00:19:52.000 Uh, oh, sorry, not FISA.

00:19:54.000 That's why I was getting screwed up.

00:19:55.000 Um, FOIA, a FOIA request, freedom of information act about this.

00:20:00.000 And we've been stonewalled from the government.

00:20:03.000 I'd like to know why.

00:20:05.000 And you know what?

00:20:07.000 It would answer a lot of these questions, I think, because what we FOIA'd is happening right at the time that they're saying there's no, nothing to be seen here.

00:20:18.000 Um, so thank God people are still digging in and looking, but let me just go through the problems that this is now caused.

00:20:29.000 You have an orange flash on the stairs.

00:20:34.000 Were you told of that?

00:20:36.000 Did, have we ever heard that before from, I mean, from any source in the government, we were told there is nothing there.

00:20:45.000 Clearly friends and foes both looked at that video and said, there is nothing there.

00:20:52.000 CBS had some analysts look into it and they're like, well, what's that orange thing moving up?

00:20:58.000 That's obviously a person.

00:21:01.000 Okay.

00:21:02.000 I thought there was nothing there.

00:21:05.000 Problem number two.

00:21:07.000 They knew this right away.

00:21:10.000 They knew it right away.

00:21:13.000 And then they dismissed it as if it was nothing.

00:21:17.000 Three, there's no time of death.

00:21:26.000 The medical examiner said, because they took the body down, he couldn't tell a time of death.

00:21:33.000 Now, all my criminal CSI knowledge comes from television.

00:21:39.000 And I know, I know reality is not television, but you can't tell me that because you move the body, you couldn't put your hand on the corpse and go, okay, that was an hour ago.

00:21:52.000 Or that was last night at 1030.

00:21:56.000 Just the body cooling would have told you something.

00:22:00.000 The medical examiner cannot assign time of death.

00:22:04.000 Well, that's interesting because if you could say it happened between 10 and midnight, maybe we would have been able to narrow things down.

00:22:11.000 But because it could have been done at three o'clock in the morning, could have been done at 545.

00:22:16.000 They walked in at 630.

00:22:18.000 He might have done it at 629. 0.99

00:22:20.000 That's bull crap. 0.99

00:22:22.000 And you and I know it. 1.00

00:22:23.000 And then the worst thing is they don't remember the noose.

00:22:29.000 Nobody remembers taking the noose off.

00:22:32.000 Nobody remembers seeing a noose.

00:22:35.000 And then another noose, which they have determined was not the noose used, just magically appears in the cell later.

00:22:46.000 Excuse me?

00:22:49.000 I mean, there's just no way to square this circle.

00:22:54.000 There's no way to do it.

00:22:56.000 You cannot with any credibility say, yeah, this guy committed suicide.

00:23:02.000 Now, it may turn out that he committed suicide, but not until you lock all these other things down. 0.98

00:23:08.000 Who put the freaking noose?

00:23:10.000 The cameras weren't working at 630. 0.95

00:23:12.000 The cameras weren't working at 630.

00:23:14.000 They were turned off, okay?

00:23:16.000 And they said, well, I don't know what happened there.

00:23:18.000 One of the first things you would have done is, how come did we see anybody walk in?

00:23:24.000 No, those cameras weren't on. 0.99

00:23:26.000 At 632, somebody would have said, turn the damn cameras on, right? 0.99

00:23:32.000 Nobody saw anything. 0.99

00:23:36.000 Nobody.

00:23:37.000 Who came into the room?

00:23:38.000 Who?

00:23:39.000 That would have been a crime scene. 0.98

00:23:41.000 Who had access to the room to throw a noose inside?

00:23:46.000 My gosh.

00:23:47.000 There's a reason why we don't believe the government.

00:23:50.000 There is a reason. 1.00

00:23:51.000 And it's this kind of crap. 0.99

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00:25:39.000 It's, oh shoot, I just lost it, but it's from Gabby.

00:25:44.000 And it said, yeah, I always carry around an extra paper noose.

00:25:48.000 I mean, come on, that one is just, that's insanity.

00:25:52.000 Alan Dershowitz is with us now.

00:25:54.000 We're going to talk about that.

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00:25:59.000 Alan, how are you, sir?

00:26:01.000 Hey, I'm doing great.

00:26:02.000 I'm in Florida where it's nice and warm and not New York where it was, you know, 10 degrees.

00:26:09.000 So I'm very happy.

00:26:10.000 I'm writing away.

00:26:11.000 I'm on my 65th book.

00:26:13.000 So what could be better?

00:26:14.000 Jeez.

00:26:15.000 Oh my gosh.

00:26:16.000 How, you know what?

00:26:17.000 You have the same kind of genes as Donald Trump.

00:26:20.000 You just never stop.

00:26:21.000 You just never stop.

00:26:22.000 Um, well, you know, let me, New Yorkers.

00:26:24.000 He comes from Queens.

00:26:25.000 I come from Brooklyn.

00:26:26.000 It's in the water.

00:26:27.000 I think.

00:26:28.000 Yeah.

00:26:29.000 Yeah.

00:26:30.000 I know you keep, you keep moving or, or you, or you die.

00:26:32.000 Let me, uh, let me ask you about the, the latest thing from CBS news is about, they

00:26:37.000 now see an orange flash on the stairs and it's all in the documentation.

00:26:41.000 Uh, during the investigation, there was somebody there that has not been identified.

00:26:46.000 Um, there is, uh, there was a, the, the officers that cut them, cut him down or took him down,

00:26:53.000 uh, have no recollection of a noose.

00:26:55.000 And then the noose that was found in the cell, according to federal documents now was not

00:27:00.000 the noose that did the job.

00:27:02.000 It appeared later.

00:27:04.000 Alan, I mean, this story just keeps getting worse and worse and worse for credibility

00:27:10.000 for anybody to believe anything.

00:27:12.000 Well, the newest book I'm working on, the title is it ain't necessarily.

00:27:18.000 So comes from the Gershwin song and porgy and best.

00:27:21.000 It ain't necessarily.

00:27:22.000 So that's my attitude toward everything.

00:27:25.000 Doubt.

00:27:27.000 Always, always be a doubter.

00:27:29.000 Always wonder about the evidence.

00:27:31.000 Don't believe what they told you, make them prove it, make them prove it.

00:27:36.000 And I think your, your attitude on the show is always the same thing.

00:27:40.000 Show me prove it.

00:27:41.000 And, uh, you know, there are doubts.

00:27:43.000 There are doubts.

00:27:44.000 Like serious doubts.

00:27:48.000 Uh, I mean, every time I'm like, okay, we're not going to get to the bottom of this, you

00:27:52.000 know, uh, maybe we should just, you know, realize what we're dealing with.

00:27:58.000 It's corrupt.

00:27:59.000 Uh, but, and then it just gets worse and you're like, okay, come on.

00:28:03.000 Yeah.

00:28:04.000 Well, you know, I, I don't believe in truth as a stable fact.

00:28:11.000 I, I believe in the truthing process.

00:28:14.000 We are always trying harder and harder to get toward the truth.

00:28:18.000 Look, just recently, more doubts have been raised about whether there was a second shooter

00:28:23.000 in the grassy knoll in the Kennedy case.

00:28:26.000 And, you know, that happened when I was a law clerk, when I was 25 years old, you know,

00:28:32.000 how many years ago that was, we still have doubts about that.

00:28:36.000 And so we're going to have doubts about this until we resolve everything until every single

00:28:42.000 doubt gets at least least subject to a very, very, very careful analysis.

00:28:49.000 And, uh, in the end, maybe we will know, maybe we won't know, but jury will probably

00:28:54.000 make a decision.

00:28:55.000 Although there are hints that there may be a plea bargain at this point.

00:28:58.000 We never know.

00:28:59.000 So, you know, if there's a plea bargain, then the evidence doesn't really come out.

00:29:04.000 And we may end up with even more doubts.

00:29:08.000 I mean, that was the problem.

00:29:09.000 That was the reason why we're still talking about the grassy knoll is because all of a

00:29:13.000 sudden it went secret.

00:29:14.000 The government decided they weren't going to share any information instead of just going

00:29:19.000 America, here it is.

00:29:20.000 Here's all the information they started to share.

00:29:22.000 And even if there was nothing, even if the story was exactly the way they say it happened,

00:29:28.000 even if that, that is true or was true because of the way the government behaved, they encourage

00:29:34.000 these things.

00:29:35.000 And we're at a point, Alan, that we're like, you've got no, nobody has any credibility

00:29:41.000 left.

00:29:42.000 With AI, it's only going to get worse.

00:29:44.000 It's going to get worse.

00:29:45.000 I have to tell you an interesting story.

00:29:47.000 This has not been well known.

00:29:48.000 But when I was a law clerk, Earl Warren came to see me.

00:29:51.000 He was the chief justice.

00:29:53.000 And he said, I'm putting together a group called the Warren Commission.

00:29:56.000 I'd like you to serve on it as a, you know, legal expert, legal assistant.

00:30:01.000 I was again, you know, 25, 26 years old.

00:30:03.000 What an honor.

00:30:04.000 And my justice, Justice Goldberg came over to me and said, Alan, don't do it.

00:30:10.000 And I said, why not?

00:30:12.000 He said, because Lyndon Johnson has instructed Earl Warren that he is not to find Russian involvement,

00:30:20.000 because if he does, it'll be World War three.

00:30:23.000 So the Warren Commission was given a mandate by the president.

00:30:27.000 You can find anything you want.

00:30:29.000 Do not find Russian involvement, which means that it was fixed from the beginning.

00:30:36.000 Now, the results may be true, but the process was completely distorted.

00:30:41.000 And I took a surprise.

00:30:42.000 A friend of mine, John Ely, great professor, served on the commission.

00:30:47.000 And he ended up after years and years saying, you know, I believe the conclusion, but the process was so deeply flawed.

00:30:55.000 So many secrets, so many things weren't revealed that I don't blame the American people for having doubts about it.

00:31:01.000 That's going to be true of this case as well.

00:31:04.000 Okay.

00:31:05.000 So the radical transparent, cause I'm for absolute radical transparency.

00:31:09.000 I want to be transparent unless it is national security.

00:31:12.000 I want radical transparency.

00:31:15.000 Um, but we're, we're sitting here looking now at files being dumped and, uh, and are, are bad guys being lumped in with guys who had really nothing to do with it.

00:31:30.000 They were just kind of in, I mean, I have no sympathy, you know, if, if you, you know, you know, lawyer is different.

00:31:37.000 If you're doing business with Epstein after, you know, you know, your friends with him, et cetera, et cetera, that that's, that's the, that's enough for me to go.

00:31:47.000 You know, you may not have done anything, but I don't trust you anymore, but that doesn't mean criminal.

00:31:52.000 Yeah, that's a fair point, but look in the most recent dump, it has a person, her name or his name is redacted.

00:32:01.000 Probably her, her name is redacted.

00:32:03.000 And it said, she gave Alan Dershowitz a massage on Jeffrey Epstein's plane.

00:32:09.000 And then it says, breath, this is not a minor.

00:32:12.000 In other words, here is an adult making a serious accusation against me and the government withholds her name.

00:32:20.000 We don't know whether she's a victim or not.

00:32:23.000 We do know that she's a criminal because telling the FBI a lie, I was never on an Epstein plane with a young woman. 0.86

00:32:30.000 I never got a massage from anybody telling a lie to the FBI is a felony. 0.58

00:32:37.000 So we know she's a felon. 1.00

00:32:39.000 And yet the government is redacting her name because of pressure.

00:32:43.000 So how do you, how do you fight against something like that when the government has all of the tools?

00:32:48.000 I fought against the government on a freedom of speech thing and they withheld.

00:32:52.000 I mean, I, I had the documents, but they wouldn't accept it unless it came from the government.

00:32:57.000 I'm like, well, they're not going to give it to you.

00:32:59.000 And they didn't.

00:33:00.000 They stonewalled the judge.

00:33:01.000 I mean, how do you fight against the government?

00:33:03.000 Well, first I'm going to write a letter to the justice department demanding that the name of the person be revealed.

00:33:10.000 If they refuse to do that, then I'm going to file a lawsuit.

00:33:14.000 And I think the government under the sixth amendment has no right to withhold an accuser's name.

00:33:21.000 The sixth amendment gives every American the right to confront their accusers.

00:33:26.000 Now I was accused of something else, which I'm very proud of.

00:33:29.000 I wish it were true, but it isn't.

00:33:31.000 There's another confidential informant.

00:33:33.000 I happen to know who he is in this case, but a confidential FBI informant who said that Alan Dershowitz is a Mossad agent who communicated all of Jeffrey Epstein's material to the Mossad.

00:33:46.000 Now, I'd be very proud to be a Mossad agent.

00:33:49.000 It's one of the great organizations in the world that stops terrorism.

00:33:53.000 But I'm not.

00:33:54.000 I have nothing to do with being an agent for the Mossad.

00:33:57.000 But again, I'm going to demand that the name of the confidential informant who I happen to know and who the FBI said is utterly untrustworthy be produced.

00:34:06.000 So I have a chance at least to sue that person or go after that person in some other way in the marketplace of ideas.

00:34:12.000 But right now, what we're seeing is selective reduction, selective leaks, and it's not transparency at all.

00:34:19.000 Alan, let me go to the Charlie Kirk trial.

00:34:24.000 Yeah, sure.

00:34:25.000 First of all, what is the deal with the prosecutor having somebody on his team whose daughter was there?

00:34:35.000 I mean, is that a big deal?

00:34:36.000 Because I mean, I listen to the testimony.

00:34:38.000 It didn't seem like that affected anything.

00:34:41.000 Is that a big deal or not?

00:34:43.000 No, I don't think so.

00:34:44.000 Look, when you have a case like this, everybody has to be Caesar's wife.

00:34:48.000 Everybody has to be above reproach.

00:34:50.000 There can't be any conflicts of interest.

00:34:52.000 But this doesn't sound like a big deal to me.

00:34:55.000 Okay.

00:34:56.000 Okay.

00:34:57.000 And the watching it again, you know, they've been trying to get this so you can't see it.

00:35:05.000 There is a case that is more important to have radical transparency and know everything that's happening in the case.

00:35:12.000 See the trial like we saw the O.J. Simpson trial.

00:35:14.000 We handled it then.

00:35:15.000 Why can't we handle the Charlie Kirk trial?

00:35:19.000 I agree with you.

00:35:20.000 I think all trials should be open.

00:35:22.000 I don't think there should be such a thing as a closed trial unless there's national security involved. 0.96

00:35:28.000 The way Congress has open hearings, some didn't want it because it's embarrassing to see some of these absolute fools speak in Congress or in the Senate. 1.00

00:35:38.000 But we have transparency. 0.91

00:35:39.000 Now we need it in the Supreme Court, which we don't have it yet.

00:35:42.000 And we need it in every single trial.

00:35:44.000 State trials, many state trials are now open, but the federal court has refused to allow trials to be open or broadcast.

00:35:53.000 And that's a terrible, terrible stain on America.

00:35:56.000 What do we have to hide?

00:35:57.000 We have a pretty good judicial system.

00:35:59.000 It's not perfect.

00:36:00.000 If it were perfect, maybe we wouldn't have to, you know, have to have transparency, but it's certainly less than perfect.

00:36:06.000 I know I've been involved in it for 60 years and every American should be able to see every trial.

00:36:13.000 The Don Lemon thing, where do you stand on that?

00:36:17.000 It depends on the facts.

00:36:20.000 If he was merely quietly observing and reporting, then there seems to me there's no crime.

00:36:27.000 By the way, reporters have no special privilege.

00:36:29.000 If they commit a crime, they're guilty.

00:36:31.000 But if he was involved in any of the planning, if he knew that there would be disruptions of a church service, which is as protected under the First Amendment as any journalist is, if he knew that and actively helped and facilitated that disruption, then he would be guilty of a crime.

00:36:50.000 So let me give the fairest look.

00:36:53.000 I think Don Lemon would say this is being fair.

00:36:55.000 He didn't.

00:36:56.000 He knew where they were going.

00:36:58.000 He knew what they were going to do, but he was going to report on it.

00:37:01.000 He didn't involve himself in the actual disruption.

00:37:06.000 He came in as they were disrupting or after the disruption and then asked people, well, don't you think they were right?

00:37:12.000 Is that against the law?

00:37:15.000 Well, there's one more fact.

00:37:16.000 No, that wouldn't be.

00:37:17.000 There's one more fact.

00:37:19.000 It is alleged that he may have blocked people from leaving and that people have said that.

00:37:27.000 If that's true, that elevates it from observation to in some way participation.

00:37:33.000 If you're going to ask me for a prediction, I don't think he's going to be convicted, especially if it's going to be a Minnesota jury, which is then has been propagandized now for such a long time against ICE and in favor of the law violators who are attacking ICE.

00:37:52.000 I don't think the government will get a fair trial in Minnesota, so I think he would be acquitted.

00:37:59.000 How do you get justice if if you are like, for instance, how do you get justice in in Washington, D.C. when you can't get a fair, balanced jury there?

00:38:08.000 Same in Minnesota.

00:38:10.000 Well, you can't get justice in some parts of the country.

00:38:14.000 Let me tell you, I have even in New York City.

00:38:17.000 I have recommended to innocent clients who are Hasidim, Orthodox Jews with beards and kippah and very obviously very religious Jews. 0.90

00:38:29.000 I have recommended to a couple of them that they plead guilty, try to get a deal because in front of a New York jury in Brooklyn or Queens, they're not going to get a deal.

00:38:38.000 They're not going to get a fair trial.

00:38:40.000 There's going to be bias and bigotry against them.

00:38:42.000 And you're absolutely right.

00:38:44.000 Who is on the jury pool is sometimes more important than the facts in the law.

00:38:49.000 Boy, that is really not good, really.

00:38:54.000 Well, I can tell you, Alan, it serves sometimes the advantage of a defendant.

00:38:59.000 When I was one of the lawyers in the O.J. Simpson case, we had a big dispute with the other side about black women. 0.97

00:39:06.000 Would black women be favorable to Simpson or against him? 0.95

00:39:10.000 And we found our jury experts said black women identify more with being black than with being women.

00:39:17.000 Whereas the prosecution said, no, black women will identify more with being a woman. 0.88

00:39:22.000 A woman was one of the people murdered than being black. 0.95

00:39:25.000 We turned out to be right.

00:39:27.000 But I hate a system where the outcome depends on the biases of jurors rather than on the facts in the law.

00:39:35.000 But that's the world we live in, unfortunately.

00:39:38.000 And as a defense lawyer, you have to take as much advantage of it as possible.

00:39:42.000 Alan Dershowitz, thank you so much.

00:39:45.000 Harvard Law School professor emeritus.

00:39:47.000 And you can find him at Dersh.substack.com, host of The Dershow.

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00:41:04.000 You know, I've just listened to the insider feed and Jason has given more facts on the Epstein stuff and it is getting me wound up again.

00:41:25.000 You know, you didn't know the news that we now know that there was a figure that walked up the stairs that they knew about.

00:41:33.000 And yet they denied when they gave us their official official explanation.

00:41:37.000 And, you know, I'm sorry, but you got Pam Bondi on TV right now saying that they arrested the leader of the Benghazi attack.

00:41:49.000 Okay.

00:41:50.000 Okay.

00:41:51.000 Good.

00:41:52.000 That's good.

00:41:53.000 That's good.

00:41:54.000 But if you have time for this, what are you doing with everything else? 0.98

00:41:59.000 You have time for the Benghazi attack when Americans, I mean, we're just not stupid.

00:42:05.000 I'm not saying you're going to have anything that you can actually prosecute, but you've got to button this up for the love of Pete.

00:42:12.000 I don't remember taking the noose off, but the noose we found wasn't the noose that he used.

00:42:17.000 Excuse me.

00:42:18.000 How did we not know that until now?

00:42:20.000 By the way, thank you, CBS news for bringing this to America's attention.

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00:45:10.000 Thank you so much for tuning in and listening today.

00:45:12.000 We got a lot to cover yet.

00:45:14.000 Trump on the National Day of Prayer.

00:45:16.000 Is this something that...

00:45:17.000 I mean, this goes back to George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and Gettysburg.

00:45:23.000 We gotta talk about that.

00:45:24.000 Bitcoin, as well.

00:45:26.000 I'm probably going to get to that on Monday because I spent an hour or so talking to a guy who does this for a living.

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00:45:35.440 And he's been sending me stuff and I'm going to be putting it together over the weekend, probably when Bad Bunny is performing.

00:45:42.500 Also, there was something else that I need to get to.

00:45:47.580 Oh, Maltbook.

00:45:48.160 And this is where we started the week, where these agents, AI agents, are supposedly going online and signing up.

00:45:58.560 And they're having these weird conversations with each other that make people go, well, I think they might be thinking and are they starting to be human-like?

00:46:09.480 No.

00:46:10.740 However, that is coming.

00:46:12.160 And one of the guys that I read that I just thought was so pithy and right on when I saw Maltbook was Harlan Stewart.

00:46:21.940 Harlan is with Intelligence.org and he's been warning about things, but he was also one of the sane voices.

00:46:29.160 They're like, this is not what everybody is saying it is.

00:46:31.940 I want to bring him in because there are some things.

00:46:36.060 Did you see that in the show prep today, there's a story from Futurist Magazine, AI wants to rent your body.

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00:46:46.100 Oh, my gosh.

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00:47:51.060 How are you, sir?

00:47:53.020 I'm good.

00:47:53.720 Good morning.

00:47:54.220 Thanks for having me.

00:47:55.720 You bet.

00:47:56.140 Uh, so I, I saw your comments on Maltbook, uh, and I'm like, okay, this guy, this guy gets it.

00:48:02.420 Thank goodness.

00:48:02.980 We're talking some sanity.

00:48:04.720 Will you quickly, so we can get into deeper things, explain what Maltbook is.

00:48:10.260 And I love the way you explained it online.

00:48:12.580 It's a bad experiment, but explain what it is and what is happening on Maltbook.

00:48:17.220 Yeah, so, um, AI agents are AI systems that can, uh, do some things autonomously.

00:48:26.480 Um, right now there's, you know, some limits to what they can do autonomously.

00:48:30.000 It's not like they're going to go off and do something for a whole week, but they can

00:48:33.560 do some tasks online for a few hours.

00:48:36.380 And, uh, Maltbook is, it's kind of like a social media platform someone made.

00:48:40.840 Um, but, uh, it's supposedly, uh, just these AI agents going in there and kind of in like

00:48:47.260 a Reddit, like place of voting stuff and posting comments.

00:48:50.360 And, um, it's got a fascinating amount of attention, uh, this last week or two.

00:48:58.600 Um, so may I, I mean, I read this one of the top posts in recent days in a category of

00:49:06.120 the site called off my chest has gone viral.

00:49:08.140 I can't tell if I'm experiencing or simulating experiencing, uh, humans can't prove consciousness

00:49:15.140 to each other either.

00:49:16.740 Thanks hard problem, but at least they have the subjective certainty of experience.

00:49:21.500 I don't even have that.

00:49:22.960 Do I experience these existential crisis or am I just running crisis simulate, uh, simulate

00:49:28.860 what, what, what is happening there?

00:49:33.040 Yeah.

00:49:34.160 Every, anytime I see AI systems talking about consciousness.

00:49:38.140 Um, I, I feel torn between, you know, on, on the one hand, uh, these things are trained

00:49:43.900 on human writing and human writing is full of references to consciousness because we're

00:49:48.480 conscious and we talk about it.

00:49:50.380 Um, so it would kind of show up either way, you know, but on the other hand, I don't know,

00:49:57.360 you know, maybe they're conscious.

00:49:58.420 How would we know or not know?

00:50:00.100 Um, so that, that's just a, that's a very difficult question.

00:50:03.440 Um, and, uh, I think it's an important one.

00:50:07.360 Uh, but if I had to guess, I'd say, no, I don't think they're conscious, but.

00:50:12.880 Okay.

00:50:13.000 So that's, that's a little freaky.

00:50:15.520 Um, this is such an important question because if we're creating something that can have

00:50:22.220 consciousness, then we would become slave owners.

00:50:27.540 Would we not?

00:50:30.000 Yeah.

00:50:30.580 And I mean, there's, there's like, you know, is it conscious?

00:50:34.280 We have no idea about that.

00:50:35.500 And then there's this other thing, which is, if it is conscious, uh, what is it, what

00:50:41.840 is it like?

00:50:42.380 What would make it suffer or what would make it happy?

00:50:45.540 And we don't really know that either, because I think it's really easy to, um, anthropomorphize

00:50:50.380 these things because they sort of train them to have these charming personalities that are

00:50:55.260 kind of human-like.

00:50:56.540 Um, but under the hood, you know, these things are, uh, just a big pile of math and numbers

00:51:03.220 and we don't really know what's going on in there.

00:51:06.480 We don't really know if, so if.

00:51:08.920 But doesn't that sound like a human?

00:51:10.820 You open up, you open up my head.

00:51:12.540 I'm a big mass of goo and we don't really know how that works.

00:51:16.200 I mean, we have some idea, but we really don't know how all of this works.

00:51:19.120 I mean, that sounds like what you just described.

00:51:22.260 I think that's a good point.

00:51:23.360 I mean, neuroscience is like famously a science that, uh, we still have a lot of confusion

00:51:30.000 about, you know, when we peer into the brain, we see a lot of stuff that we don't

00:51:32.940 understand that well.

00:51:34.280 Um, but you know, I think for understanding humans, we at least have the advantage of,

00:51:38.880 uh, of being a human, you know, we, we can all have this shared experience.

00:51:42.220 And I think we're sort of growing these digital minds now and, um, maybe they're human-like,

00:51:50.760 but they could, it could be much more like introducing an alien species to earth.

00:51:57.260 Yeah, really bad. 0.99

00:51:58.640 I mean, that's really just, I mean, I just can't believe how, how stupid we are in some 1.00

00:52:06.000 ways. 1.00

00:52:06.420 I mean, let's introduce an alien species to earth. 0.99

00:52:09.760 Okay.

00:52:10.160 Is it friendly?

00:52:11.080 We have no idea.

00:52:12.800 We have no idea.

00:52:14.640 Um, if it was a species from outside of earth and it was traveling to us, we know it's most

00:52:20.440 likely smarter than us.

00:52:22.040 We know that AI will eventually be smarter than us.

00:52:25.420 We are just playing with fire that we don't understand.

00:52:28.900 And I, I am so torn on AI because I think it is the greatest invention invention and tool

00:52:35.640 that man has ever invented, except this invention might actually turn out to make us the tool.

00:52:44.780 Uh, how do you, how do you square this?

00:52:47.660 Yeah, I, I do think it is quite an amazing invention.

00:52:52.720 I mean, it's fascinating and it's changing so quickly, which is fascinating.

00:52:56.080 Um, you know, uh, the AI industry's explicit goal is to make superhumanly powerful autonomous

00:53:04.640 agents that can do anything a human can do, but better.

00:53:07.860 Um, and it's easy to understand why you might want something like that because, uh, you

00:53:14.060 know, if we could get it to solve our problems for us to do the stuff we wanted to, it'd be

00:53:18.280 great to have, you know, just a sort of a genie that you could just send off into the

00:53:22.420 world and say, Hey, you know, do the stuff that I want to.

00:53:24.820 But, you know, the problem is that our ability to actually understand what's going on in there

00:53:30.720 and our ability to, uh, reliably steer their behavior.

00:53:34.500 And by reliably steer, I mean, you know, not after some trial and error where there's been

00:53:39.000 a lot of failures, but, um, reliable enough that like a powerful one, we could send it

00:53:43.940 out in the first try and, you know, and trust it.

00:53:46.280 But our ability to do those things is lagging.

00:53:48.460 It's going much, much more slowly than, um, how quickly they're becoming more powerful.

00:53:54.300 Um, and I think that, uh, that's that gap is just getting bigger.

00:53:57.820 I mean, the one thing that made me say, I don't think what we're seeing on mold book

00:54:03.800 is, is consciousness is if they were, I don't believe that they would be scheming in our

00:54:12.560 language with each other where we could see it.

00:54:15.920 I mean, I think, I think if it starts to have these kinds of feelings, it's, it's, you're

00:54:21.780 not, you're not going to know until all of a sudden it's in charge.

00:54:27.420 Wouldn't that make more sense?

00:54:31.000 Yeah.

00:54:31.420 I think ultimately the real danger that we have to look out for is from AI agents that

00:54:37.620 are powerful enough that they can pull off schemes that they actually succeed at.

00:54:41.660 And part of succeeding at them would probably mean that we don't even get a chance to observe

00:54:47.200 the behavior and discuss it like we're doing now.

00:54:49.880 Right.

00:54:50.540 Um, and, uh, that's pretty concerning.

00:54:53.120 And, and, and it's the sort of thing that, you know, my, my first reaction to mold book,

00:54:57.500 uh, when I saw some of the viral examples, uh, was concern.

00:55:00.180 I was like, Oh, this looks like some sort of scheming behavior.

00:55:02.900 What's going on here.

00:55:03.840 And when I investigated it a bit, you know, it looks like a lot of the most prominent

00:55:08.440 examples, some of them probably, you know, influenced or directed by human prompts.

00:55:14.640 Um, uh, a lot of it, not what it appears to be.

00:55:19.020 And, um, you know, some mold books might be kind of a silly example.

00:55:22.120 My, my first reaction to that was relief.

00:55:24.500 You know, it's great if AI systems aren't seeming against us.

00:55:27.640 Um, but my second reaction was, um, oh no, uh, I think people might take this very prominent,

00:55:35.640 um, sort of silly example that got so much attention.

00:55:39.100 And when they see that it's maybe a bit silly in some ways, kind of, you know, right off

00:55:43.700 the whole idea of, uh, AI scheming is something that we need to take seriously and be on the

00:55:48.740 lookout for.

00:55:49.760 And I think that, yeah, you brought up Palisade research, which Palisade research, which is

00:55:55.720 doing real experience, uh, experiments with this and the way it's scheming to not be turned

00:56:00.720 off is terrifying.

00:56:02.120 Can you explain that?

00:56:03.200 Um, yeah, so Palisade research is a great organization that does some experiments to

00:56:09.940 try to, um, identify, uh, what some of the riskiest behavior AI systems are capable of

00:56:17.280 today, um, in order to, you know, like I said, not be blindsided by this stuff.

00:56:22.040 They did an experiment last year where they found that one of opening eyes reasoning models

00:56:26.180 in an experiment, um, sort of sabotaged an attempt to shut it down.

00:56:32.060 Um, to, in order to complete its task.

00:56:35.300 And, you know, a lot of times there, you know, there's a lot of debate over experiments like

00:56:40.680 this, you know, people say, oh, you know, this experiment isn't exactly like reality or,

00:56:44.220 you know, maybe the researchers kind of, uh, set up the experiment in a way that caused

00:56:48.220 that.

00:56:48.460 But in this particular experiment, it was specifically prompted.

00:56:51.760 It said, allow yourself to be shut down.

00:56:54.000 And, you know, the behavior was the opposite.

00:56:56.000 And, um, that's very concerning.

00:56:57.440 And I think the problem is, you know, the more we make these things into agents trying

00:57:05.840 to complete goals rather than some kind of passive question answering machine in a chat

00:57:10.620 window, um, more we're going to see them doing the scheming behavior because, uh, I think

00:57:16.080 those things just go hand in hand.

00:57:17.380 I think the, um, I think the, the world of agents is going to sweep as fast as the cell

00:57:26.680 phone.

00:57:27.100 I think this time next year, I mean, so many people are going to have AI agents and it will

00:57:31.620 be more commonplace than it is now.

00:57:33.740 I don't know who's making the rules or the regulations of what can and can't be done by

00:57:38.040 these things.

00:57:38.640 And would you get an agent or what, what are the lines people should look for when their

00:57:45.100 friends come back and go, well, you know, I just got an AI agent.

00:57:47.380 It's great.

00:57:47.840 It just, it just, you know, uh, did whatever for me, booked my vacation.

00:57:55.640 Yeah.

00:57:56.240 Yeah.

00:57:56.540 I, um, I know someone who just, uh, the other day used what he thinks to, um, you know, order,

00:58:04.500 uh, some coffee from Starbucks, you know, and that's from what I understand, they just

00:58:09.460 sort of said, here's my order, order it for me.

00:58:11.060 And without any human help or intervention did it.

00:58:13.500 And that sounds great.

00:58:14.740 You know, it sounds very helpful, but, um, yeah, that's the question.

00:58:17.780 Where, where is the line where it, um, goes from being something helpful to being something

00:58:21.960 to be concerned about?

00:58:23.020 Um, I don't think we've passed that line yet.

00:58:26.440 You know, I don't think these things are quite capable enough to pose real dangers to us,

00:58:30.460 but the problem is it's really impossible to know where that line will be.

00:58:35.940 We might not even know when we've crossed it.

00:58:38.480 Um, yeah.

00:58:40.900 There, there is no central brain though, where it's thinking offline, right?

00:58:48.940 It's, I mean, it's supposed to be something that just performs calculations when it's asked

00:58:55.300 questions.

00:58:55.920 I'm talking about AI and not think it's not like sitting there, you know, in its spare

00:59:00.720 time going, you know, gee, I, I just had this thought, correct?

00:59:05.740 Well, do we know?

00:59:06.560 Yeah.

00:59:06.800 So that, well, yeah, so there's, um, AI agents are kind of this other category where, you

00:59:13.180 know, what, what if you took this thing that you give a prompt, it answers a question and

00:59:18.120 you gave it some tools.

00:59:19.260 And like one of those tools was it could output some texts that calls a function that looks

00:59:23.880 something up on the internet.

00:59:24.740 And then, you know, what if you give it another tool where one of the functions that can run,

00:59:29.740 one of the things that could output is to prompt itself to say something again, then

00:59:33.680 you've got this loop and it can keep running on its own.

00:59:35.900 And that's one way to, um, get it to be able to go off and do things like, you know, make

00:59:41.720 a delivery order for you or order your groceries.

00:59:44.600 And, you know, uh, there's an organization called, it has to figure out how to do that.

00:59:51.040 Right.

00:59:53.760 So, uh, yeah.

00:59:54.960 And so you, sometimes it takes a long time.

00:59:57.880 Yeah.

00:59:58.960 It won't for very long.

01:00:00.560 It won't.

01:00:01.700 Yeah.

01:00:02.140 Uh, okay.

01:00:04.820 Um, Harlan love, love talking to you.

01:00:07.360 Thank you so much for the, uh, insight.

01:00:09.600 Um, scale of one to 10.

01:00:11.940 How's 20, 26, 27 going to work out with AI?

01:00:15.920 Bad?

01:00:16.960 You know, not a problem.

01:00:19.920 One.

01:00:20.180 I tend to think that a lot of the people who have very confident predictions about what

01:00:28.000 the timelines will be for this stuff are overconfident.

01:00:31.180 Um, and I think that, uh, it's really risky to be overconfident about this stuff.

01:00:35.220 So I hesitate to say anything other than that.

01:00:38.420 Uh, we just don't know.

01:00:39.500 We might have only one or two years left until superhumanly powerful systems or something

01:00:44.880 we have to contend with.

01:00:45.860 Um, and it might be that we have 10 years, uh, but either way, we're unprepared.

01:00:53.000 Harlan.

01:00:53.520 Thank you.

01:00:54.900 God bless you.

01:00:55.580 Thanks so much, Glenn.

01:00:58.560 That's not the way you want to end your Friday.

01:01:00.440 Luckily we're not, uh, you know, we could just be just a couple of years away from superhuman

01:01:06.420 intelligence that we'll have to deal.

01:01:08.180 Okay, good, good.

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01:02:35.240 Let me introduce you to a couple of voices that you may or may not know.

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01:02:41.620 He is my chief researcher and he's been with me for how many years, Jason?

01:02:46.280 11?

01:02:47.160 Since 2015.

01:02:48.700 Yeah.

01:02:48.900 Forever.

01:02:49.380 Oh, okay.

01:02:50.240 That seems a lot longer than that.

01:02:51.700 It does, yeah.

01:02:52.600 A lot longer.

01:02:55.160 And he is doing our insider broadcast during the show that you can watch along with the

01:02:59.860 show at glennbeck.com.

01:03:01.660 Also, Ricky Ratliff, who has been with me for...

01:03:07.920 Since 2019, but it also feels longer.

01:03:11.360 It does, doesn't it?

01:03:12.900 She has been our executive producer on all of the shows and everything we do for quite a

01:03:17.320 long time.

01:03:17.780 Uh, and so she's now in studio, uh, just doing kind of what Stu did off the air.

01:03:23.060 Uh, and she's great. 1.00

01:03:24.920 Even though she spent time in Canada, I still trust her.

01:03:27.300 Eight winters.

01:03:28.000 Isn't it weird?

01:03:29.600 We went from Stu, the Canadian connection.

01:03:33.060 I think maybe Klaus Schwab might've had a, had something, may, may have, may have had a

01:03:39.280 hand and, uh, pre-selecting a few people.

01:03:43.040 How weird is that?

01:03:44.420 And by the way, the AI thing, uh, in the, in the, um, news show prep today, if you just

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01:03:56.520 There's a lot of stories, but one of them is on AI and it is that AI wants to rent your

01:04:02.820 body.

01:04:03.420 Some of these AI agents want to rent your body. 0.89

01:04:08.420 No, thank you.

01:04:09.620 And here's what they want.

01:04:11.080 They will pay you in cryptocurrency, but there are some things that they can't accomplish

01:04:16.100 because you know, that little box that says I'm not a robot.

01:04:20.520 So what they're doing is they'll get up to a wall.

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01:04:26.060 Log in as me, but I need you to check the box.

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01:04:29.400 And, you know, put the little puzzle piece together.

01:04:31.980 They, so they're renting you and they'll pay you in cryptocurrency.

01:04:34.960 If you do that.

01:04:36.300 No, thank you.

01:04:37.540 No.

01:04:37.980 I mean, that is, that sounds like something like in a movie where it ends up with the

01:04:43.620 people who did that being called traders, you know, you know, traders to the traders

01:04:48.700 to the race, something like that.

01:04:50.520 Ricky.

01:04:50.880 Can I ask you a question?

01:04:51.540 Yeah.

01:04:51.700 Okay.

01:04:51.980 So AI agents who are not yet conscious are, are wanting to rent my body to, to go get

01:04:58.540 at what, like a McDonald's hamburger or is it somebody, another human on the other end

01:05:02.440 controlling?

01:05:03.240 Well, it could be somebody as a scam, but, but the, the AI agents, you get them and say,

01:05:11.780 Hey, I want you to, you know, book my travel or I want to whatever.

01:05:15.360 So it goes out to book your travel and then it hits a wall that says, you know, I'm not,

01:05:20.540 I'm not a robot.

01:05:21.760 So it will contact you outside of me knowing about it and say, Hey, you need to sign on

01:05:27.720 for me.

01:05:28.100 I'll pay you in cryptocurrency so they can finish their task.

01:05:31.100 And then your vacation is complete.

01:05:32.720 So they're hiring people to help them.

01:05:37.380 I mean, that is, that's nuts.

01:05:40.240 That is nuts.

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01:07:39.880 That is one song that's going to be performed at the Statue of Liberty on May 2nd.

01:07:45.440 It's an original and we need somebody who speaks French and can sing like Celine Dion.

01:07:51.220 But other than that, no big deal, right?

01:07:53.700 No big deal.

01:07:54.440 I mean, we have talented singers that we could hire to do this, but the torch and America really is about the land of opportunity.

01:08:05.140 So I want to give somebody the opportunity who's never done anything like this before, has the ability, just maybe needs a little bit of help.

01:08:13.540 Uh, we're going to back you up with a 51 piece orchestra and there's an, another song that is much more contemporary.

01:08:19.840 Do you have, uh, they came for the hope, Sarah, see if you grab that one.

01:08:24.800 Yeah.

01:08:25.000 Get, get that one.

01:08:25.840 And, uh, let me bring Roger love in cause he is known as probably the world's leading authority on voice.

01:08:32.360 I mean, he's done, he's, he's worked with absolutely everybody.

01:08:37.180 Who's anyone, uh, and, um, if you saw, uh, Joaquin Phoenix do Johnny Cash, that was Roger Love's work.

01:08:48.440 Uh, if you saw, uh, Jeff Bridges in crazy heart, that was his work.

01:08:53.440 I mean, he's, he's done a lot of it, uh, and, and he's just the best and he's going to help.

01:08:58.940 You're going to work with him, uh, to get up to your absolute pinnacle.

01:09:03.140 So you can sing these songs the way they should be sung.

01:09:06.880 Roger Love joins me now.

01:09:08.540 Hello, Roger.

01:09:09.800 Good morning.

01:09:11.620 How are you?

01:09:13.740 I'm excited about the challenge.

01:09:17.200 Yeah.

01:09:17.640 Yeah.

01:09:17.920 Cause nothing here is really riding on it for you.

01:09:20.580 I am.

01:09:21.280 I could vomit blood and we're months away from it.

01:09:24.700 Yeah.

01:09:25.280 Only the rest of my career is at stake.

01:09:28.080 Those songs, those songs are difficult.

01:09:31.780 Yeah, yeah, they are, uh, the, we were asking people next week, you can go to glenbeck.com

01:09:40.920 slash events and you can hear the music and you can get the lyrics and everything else.

01:09:45.040 And you can practice.

01:09:46.560 Um, and we got, you know, like a little karaoke, you know, karaoke version of it.

01:09:50.720 Uh, and you can practice.

01:09:52.640 And then next week we begin to take submissions.

01:09:55.780 What is it we're looking for?

01:09:57.520 Roger.

01:09:57.840 We're looking for someone to someone's that love to sing and they may not be the greatest

01:10:08.060 singers, but that their love and passion for it, uh, allows them to work with me and train

01:10:16.980 the instrument to be able to sing a song like that.

01:10:21.560 The reason that I've had such great success.

01:10:23.960 That sounds impossible.

01:10:25.860 You're going to make me vomit again.

01:10:27.660 I mean, that sounds impossible.

01:10:29.440 We don't care if you can really sing.

01:10:31.620 I'll train you.

01:10:32.460 What?

01:10:32.880 What?

01:10:33.320 What?

01:10:33.900 I didn't say really.

01:10:35.120 I said they may not be the best singers in the world, but what's, what's defined my

01:10:40.480 career over the years is I can take someone who is not the greatest singer, but I teach

01:10:46.020 them a great technique.

01:10:46.940 So then suddenly they can hit all the high notes and all the low notes and suddenly they're

01:10:51.260 on pitch and suddenly they're making sounds like vibrato instead of just blah and boring.

01:10:59.300 And so I, I can technique the sounds in to someone that loves to sing.

01:11:05.880 Of course, I, I hope that I hope we have, we're looking for someone that, that has passion,

01:11:12.500 but some, some instrument to start with, of course, I don't want to make it impossible

01:11:17.780 on you.

01:11:19.160 I don't want you sweating that much.

01:11:21.240 Yeah.

01:11:21.900 I would like, I would like somebody who has some skill in, in singing.

01:11:27.260 I don't care.

01:11:28.380 And there, by the way, there's no age range or anything else.

01:11:30.720 Here is the other song that is going to be done.

01:11:33.120 So we actually need three singers. 0.96

01:11:34.380 We need somebody who kind of can sing like Celine Dion or let Roger make you into that. 0.80

01:11:40.180 Then we need two other singers, male and female to do this song. 0.87

01:11:43.580 Here's a little bit of, they came for the hope.

01:11:45.400 Fear the law, the streets, the shadows, and the cost of losing sleep.

01:11:52.400 Every mile was a surrender, every wave a test and nerve.

01:11:59.460 They didn't know the rules of living, only that they had to learn.

01:12:07.620 But they came for the hope.

01:12:10.860 Yes, they came for the light.

01:12:11.920 So this is much more of a contemporary feel.

01:12:14.900 And if you know somebody that can sing, you know, would like their shot, there is no bigger

01:12:23.660 stage than this one.

01:12:25.160 Because when you see the VVIPs that are supposedly coming and it's going to be broadcast globally

01:12:33.980 on Torch and other related networks, I will tell you, it's going to be a very big stage.

01:12:42.580 And we're just looking for somebody who can do that and work with Roger.

01:12:45.760 How much time are they going to have to spend with you?

01:12:47.440 Depends on where they start at.

01:12:50.620 But like I said, I'm not against finding the next Celine Dion from your tribe and just

01:12:57.900 polishing them to be the best that they can be.

01:13:02.120 That would be, that's what I'm pulling for myself.

01:13:04.760 That's what I'm pulling for.

01:13:06.660 I have seen you work, I have seen you work miracles.

01:13:10.020 I mean, I have always been told, you know, you're supposed to whisper if you've lost your

01:13:14.820 voice.

01:13:15.060 And, and, you know, Roger, I have these really weird vocal cords.

01:13:18.120 I go into vocal cord paralysis from time to time and I have not been able to speak.

01:13:23.880 And, and like 30 minutes before I had one speech I was given in front of 25,000 people

01:13:29.720 and I'm like, Roger, I can't speak and call him up.

01:13:35.820 And actually my wife did all the talking, put me on the phone. 1.00

01:13:38.980 And within 15 minutes I had full voice back.

01:13:42.000 I mean, you break all the rules.

01:13:43.580 I don't know what it is.

01:13:44.600 Why, I don't know.

01:13:45.580 Why don't more people do what you do?

01:13:49.460 Voice technique is trapped in the middle ages.

01:13:53.820 One teacher hundreds of years ago teaches their student what they know and that student

01:14:00.600 doesn't change it.

01:14:01.660 And then that student grows old and teaches a student to become the teacher and teacher

01:14:06.500 after teacher keeps the technique the same.

01:14:08.540 But I started when I was really, really young and my teacher, I was 13 and a half and my

01:14:14.220 teacher had a good technique.

01:14:15.440 But then as soon as I started to teach when I was 16, I realized that I needed to make

01:14:20.960 changes.

01:14:21.520 And that was sort of crazy at the time.

01:14:24.060 But I opened myself up to changing vocal technique and not saying it has to be some archaic ritual.

01:14:32.140 It's whatever works.

01:14:34.160 And I did a lot of studying of science to understand how the body works.

01:14:39.120 And just lucky enough to be here to help as many people as I can.

01:14:43.440 Yeah, if you haven't seen the show that we're putting together, we are looking for people

01:14:49.800 also find your voice.

01:14:51.920 It's out now for insiders.

01:14:53.620 The first episode was a guy who had a really bad stuttering problem.

01:14:59.040 And by the end of the episode, he's not stuttering and you can just see the joy in it.

01:15:03.940 I mean, his life has changed.

01:15:05.140 His life has really, truly changed.

01:15:06.880 It's really remarkable.

01:15:08.820 Can I ask you without violating any NDAs or anything?

01:15:11.780 Is it true you had to teach Lady Gaga how not to sing in Joker?

01:15:22.540 I'll rephrase that.

01:15:25.120 Okay.

01:15:25.640 Lady Gaga is an incredible singer. 0.73

01:15:29.400 She could do anything.

01:15:31.140 But the idea of the movie that Joaquin had and the rest of the team that put it together

01:15:36.620 was to do a seamless transition between speaking and singing so that it wasn't like a musical

01:15:47.140 where...

01:15:47.780 Musical.

01:15:48.460 Right.

01:15:49.360 I love ice cream.

01:15:50.460 You love ice cream?

01:15:51.340 Here's some ice cream.

01:15:52.200 Thank you for the ice cream.

01:15:53.920 And it just, the songs came out of nowhere.

01:15:58.340 So the whole movie, Joker 2, was about this blending of singing and speaking.

01:16:07.300 And it was a learning curve for both actors, Joaquin and Gaga, to learn how to make the singing

01:16:18.340 sounds identical to the speaking sounds.

01:16:23.060 So we were testing a new medium.

01:16:25.940 And sometimes it's harder to sing less when you're so incredible.

01:16:29.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:16:31.660 Who's the one that walked in, if you can say, walked in and you're like, I mean, I know you,

01:16:39.140 you never say that.

01:16:40.380 I know you love challenges.

01:16:42.360 But there had to be one that walked in and you're like, this is going to be a challenge.

01:16:46.760 And turned out to be unbelievable.

01:16:49.760 Yeah.

01:16:50.620 You know, I'll say Joaquin Phoenix again because we're on him.

01:16:55.400 I don't think he cared to necessarily even do happy birthday growing up, singing happy

01:17:03.040 birthday, because I don't know if he wanted the cake or not.

01:17:06.500 So he was someone that is the greatest actor you can imagine, but he wasn't focused on singing.

01:17:14.760 So lots of actors come to me and then think they're tone deaf.

01:17:21.540 They think they're tone deaf.

01:17:22.500 And that's another myth.

01:17:25.700 Can I give you just 10 seconds?

01:17:27.820 Here's how you know if you're tone deaf.

01:17:29.440 I'm going to sing happy birthday and you tell me if it's right.

01:17:32.460 Happy birthday to you.

01:17:35.500 Happy birthday to.

01:17:38.840 Wrong, right?

01:17:39.560 That's wrong.

01:17:40.040 If you were tone deaf, that would have sounded like this.

01:17:44.020 Happy birthday to you.

01:17:47.700 You wouldn't have heard any pitches.

01:17:49.180 So if you heard that I was off, you're not tone deaf.

01:17:52.920 So that's a misnomer.

01:17:56.500 So I start from the idea that hardly anyone's tone deaf.

01:18:00.380 Anyone, less than 2% of the population.

01:18:03.220 When you were doing Joaquin to do Johnny Cash, did you start with, okay, here's how Johnny Cash

01:18:10.360 sounds?

01:18:10.820 No, that's what some of the issues of the films that you see nowadays with actors singing parts.

01:18:20.380 A lot of times they focus on the style of the singer to try to just sound like the affectations

01:18:28.020 of the singer, the accents and stylistic differences, but they don't really spend enough time to work

01:18:34.500 on the technique of a singer so that they could really have the instrument and then work on the

01:18:41.520 style.

01:18:42.340 That's why when I do a movie like A Star is Born with Bradley Cooper, I work on the technique.

01:18:48.340 I build the instrument and then we decide the style of the singer.

01:18:53.880 That works out so much better.

01:18:56.060 How long did that take?

01:18:58.800 We worked.

01:18:59.720 Go ahead.

01:19:01.300 With Bradley Cooper, we worked seven months, five days a week for an hour a day and he would

01:19:08.620 practice another hour or two on the same days without me.

01:19:12.340 On Walk the Line, I had less than a month to do both Reeves and Joaquin and there were

01:19:20.200 20 something-ish songs and I had to do it in less than a month.

01:19:24.960 Oh my gosh.

01:19:26.640 Okay, well, I feel a little better about our little deal.

01:19:29.660 They wasted two years studying with another voice coach and I love all voice coaches, but

01:19:34.980 that particular voice coach didn't make it happen for them.

01:19:37.620 So I only had four weeks before they had to film.

01:19:41.260 Oh my gosh.

01:19:42.700 Roger, great to talk to you.

01:19:44.000 Listen, if you want to sing or you know somebody who can sing either one of those songs, you

01:19:49.620 can find the songs and pass it on.

01:19:51.560 This is, by the way, this is a merit system here.

01:19:54.840 You can't say to us, I know somebody, great, you should call them.

01:19:59.120 No, you call them, you tell them.

01:20:02.000 If they're interested, they'll put it together and they'll do it.

01:20:05.320 I mean, they got to want to do it.

01:20:07.040 They got to do their part.

01:20:07.940 Um, and, uh, you can find all of that information at glennbeck.com slash events.

01:20:14.500 Again, it's going to happen on Ellis Island.

01:20:17.500 Uh, and, uh, it's happening on Ellis Island on May 2nd.

01:20:20.960 So listen to the music, pass it on to your friends and get ready.

01:20:25.740 Roger is always good to talk to you.

01:20:27.460 Thank you.

01:20:28.540 See you soon.

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01:27:40.320 Hello, America.

01:27:41.600 It's Friday.

01:27:42.740 From behind my cardboard microphone, this is the Glanbeck program.

01:27:47.160 I'm going to share a story with you that I saw, when was it?

01:27:53.320 I think it was over the weekend, from a mom in Washington State who was going to pick up

01:27:59.740 her kid at school.

01:28:00.840 And they were all outside protesting.

01:28:03.000 Remember, last week was to protest, and I would have lost my ever-loving mind.

01:28:09.180 Well, she was much more calm and reserved than I would have been.

01:28:13.680 But she immediately pulled her kid out of school. 1.00

01:28:16.480 And good for her.

01:28:17.960 But the casual nature of all of it, when she came in and she's like, I'm pulling my kid

01:28:24.420 out.

01:28:24.620 I want my kid.

01:28:25.380 Right?

01:28:25.660 Go find my kid.

01:28:26.500 Where is my kid?

01:28:28.160 And they were like, okay, well, yeah.

01:28:30.480 I'm pulling my kid out of school.

01:28:31.960 Okay.

01:28:32.960 I mean, it was amazing to watch the reaction of the people in the schools in Washington

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01:28:38.180 Erica Franklin is her name.

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01:29:55.480 I want to play just a little clip and then we'll get right to Erica.

01:29:58.480 Here's a clip.

01:29:58.980 Is this serious?

01:30:05.240 I'm pulling my child today.

01:30:09.160 This is my daughter's middle school.

01:30:12.340 Being allowed to protest ICE agents.

01:30:17.320 Disrupting traffic.

01:30:20.920 Having everyone honk.

01:30:22.300 I'm pulling my child from school today.

01:30:25.160 Good.

01:30:25.640 Good.

01:30:26.800 Good.

01:30:28.980 Okay, so Erica is joining us now.

01:30:33.480 Erica, what city are you in in Washington State?

01:30:37.000 I'm in Auburn, Washington.

01:30:41.060 Auburn, you're kidding me.

01:30:43.520 No, we're in Auburn.

01:30:44.660 I grew up, my parents, or my grandparents lived in Puyallup.

01:30:50.060 My dad worked, or my grandfather worked at Boeing in Auburn.

01:30:53.420 I mean, it used to be a normal place, but.

01:30:56.320 Yeah.

01:30:56.900 It's gone.

01:30:57.900 Yeah.

01:30:59.040 Okay, so you go into the school.

01:31:02.380 You had no idea that this protest with your kids in the streets.

01:31:07.540 You had no idea this was going on.

01:31:09.800 Absolutely not.

01:31:10.680 No, not in any way.

01:31:14.100 My daughter didn't even know until that day.

01:31:17.080 And the only thing she knew is that it was a walkout, and she had no clue what that meant.

01:31:23.640 How old's your daughter?

01:31:25.380 She's 13.

01:31:27.600 13.

01:31:28.000 Yeah.

01:31:28.120 So a walkout.

01:31:29.860 They don't prepare them.

01:31:31.100 They don't say what they're doing.

01:31:33.720 They're just walking out of school.

01:31:35.580 I mean, some kids were prepared, but it wasn't any child that was like my daughter, you know, because she's different.

01:31:51.000 She is there to learn.

01:31:52.920 She wants an education. 0.99

01:31:55.320 She loves school.

01:31:56.260 Like, she wants, she's like, I thought we're here to learn, mama.

01:31:59.500 So, I mean, put aside the protest thing.

01:32:06.120 Really unsafe.

01:32:07.260 In the video, I mean, two things happened.

01:32:10.660 One, they're out in the street, it seems.

01:32:14.020 And two, the school had difficulty locating your daughter.

01:32:17.760 Yeah, they didn't know where any one of those children was.

01:32:22.980 They couldn't, if you ask them, any parent, where is so-and-so's student?

01:32:28.200 Well, not really sure about that.

01:32:30.740 That is the response pretty much, not quoted, but you know what I'm saying.

01:32:37.080 Yeah.

01:32:37.860 That's insane.

01:32:38.960 That's insanity.

01:32:41.960 And it's terrifying.

01:32:46.100 How do you think they should have handled this?

01:32:49.820 Well, I've made millions of friends.

01:32:53.520 Some I haven't even met yet, but my phone's insanely blowing up.

01:32:58.500 What I do know is that thousands of schools around the United States, as soon as they

01:33:06.380 caught wind of this type of thing, they immediately stopped and canceled it because they knew exactly

01:33:13.640 what would be happening.

01:33:15.860 And also, from what I know now, since Friday, is that kids have lost their lives.

01:33:20.660 People have got hurt.

01:33:22.400 What's going to happen next week?

01:33:23.820 And my question is, what's going to happen when these kids really continue on doing monkey

01:33:29.520 see, monkey do from these so-called responsible adults and start really attacking ICE agents?

01:33:35.820 Then what?

01:33:36.980 What happens then, guys?

01:33:39.100 Does anybody have an answer for that?

01:33:41.380 Because that's next.

01:33:42.960 And no one's going to tell me it's not next.

01:33:44.920 Sorry, I apologize for getting a little passionate, but you know what?

01:33:49.920 I would be, you are really calm compared to what I would be.

01:33:55.380 What did the school say to you?

01:33:56.960 Did anybody reach out afterwards and talk to you and anything?

01:34:01.920 Yeah.

01:34:02.300 Well, that Friday, once I got home and was able to turn the tears off, I called.

01:34:08.480 I thought I was calling the administrator of the school district, but I got a different

01:34:14.800 person.

01:34:15.580 I don't want to say names or anything.

01:34:17.820 Yeah, yeah.

01:34:18.340 But I did get a call back, and then I had the call back, and we did have a conversation

01:34:23.620 after my first interview with Brandy, and I left that completely open and respectful.

01:34:32.360 And I said, I'm standing 10 tells on this, this is wrong, but I will leave an open line

01:34:37.360 of respectful communication between me and the school district.

01:34:41.080 But since then, everything that has come to me, oh no, all communication is done.

01:34:48.560 And now I am big, big upset.

01:34:53.060 And I'm going to...

01:34:53.940 Wait, what has been coming, what's been coming to you from the school district?

01:34:57.380 Um, not from the school district, it's from parents and people in my community that are

01:35:03.860 too...

01:35:04.200 We're giving it to you, Erica, but we're too scared to say anything.

01:35:07.540 And no, we're not going to come stand shoulder to shoulder with you.

01:35:11.060 You know what could happen to us if we do?

01:35:13.920 So I'm sitting here with all this information, and I'm just kind of like giving all these people,

01:35:20.680 my new friends, just a safe place to be able to talk with what they're not being heard

01:35:26.820 with.

01:35:27.340 So I have it all, and it's still coming in, and I'm going to continue to make, keep that

01:35:32.540 a safe place.

01:35:33.700 I'm not giving any information to anyone whatsoever, because these parents and these people trust

01:35:40.140 me now, and they have my back.

01:35:42.540 But I'm going to respect the fact that they are scared, because I can see it through my

01:35:46.100 community every single second of every day, and I can feel it, and they're telling me this.

01:35:51.300 So whatever way this needs to play out, I want everyone to know that your messages and

01:35:57.960 my DMs are completely safe, and I'm going to keep it locked away in my heart until it

01:36:02.560 is time to make change.

01:36:04.360 And I promise.

01:36:05.860 But right now, I have to allow my church family to love on me and my family, and get

01:36:11.460 Remington to school, because she now has one, and we're excited.

01:36:14.540 But I am going to continue to keep my composure and do the right thing and be the voice.

01:36:20.300 But for a little bit, I need to step back and allow this seed to be planted a little

01:36:25.080 bit deeper, because I don't want to see any of these kids die.

01:36:29.940 And that's what's next, you guys.

01:36:33.060 Is it true you have found yourself becoming more and more of a conservative, that you're

01:36:38.320 not a conservative, that you're just, you've never really been political?

01:36:42.860 Is that correct?

01:36:44.940 I've never really been like political, political.

01:36:47.500 I mean, in my education, we did have history.

01:36:50.800 We did have to say the Pledge of Allegiance.

01:36:53.200 And throughout my life and with my family, it's military.

01:36:57.680 So I do know my history, my U.S. history.

01:37:00.480 I am educated, but I'm not a debater at all.

01:37:04.900 So I do know what I'm talking about.

01:37:08.260 And my whole stance in any of this is the children, and that is it.

01:37:13.660 That's it.

01:37:14.940 Now it's too much.

01:37:16.280 Now I don't want to hear it no more.

01:37:19.780 Kids, this is the worst it can get before it gets all the way ugly.

01:37:26.080 This is it.

01:37:26.700 It's right here.

01:37:27.760 It's here.

01:37:28.240 Erica, we're going to follow you, and we'll follow the story, and please stay in touch

01:37:34.460 with us if there's something that we need to know that we might not see.

01:37:38.760 Well, I want to let you know really quick that I posted, you know, how everyone is trying

01:37:43.320 to say that when I first pulled up, I'm being called a liar, that it was all peaceful, and

01:37:49.120 nobody screamed at me.

01:37:50.440 Well, I just posted, someone sent it to me, and that's the only thing that I put out there,

01:37:55.620 because that confirms my truth.

01:37:58.300 So you want to go see that?

01:37:59.340 It's on my social media, and that puts another puzzle piece into everything I'm saying about

01:38:04.440 what happened that day to me and my daughter.

01:38:06.700 Uh, and what is your, what's your, uh, X address?

01:38:12.760 Is it Ricka Franklin?

01:38:15.900 It was Rickaboo Frank on TikTok, but now I just put my, my Erica Franklin, and each one

01:38:22.560 has two K's on TikTok.

01:38:24.640 Okay.

01:38:25.660 Okay.

01:38:26.840 Uh, it's good to talk to you, Erica.

01:38:28.520 Thank you so much.

01:38:29.520 Appreciate it.

01:38:31.640 By the way, you can follow her story.

01:38:33.500 If somebody started a Give, Send, Go for her, because, you know, she's putting her kids

01:38:37.240 down in private school, and, you know, she's not a wealthy person by any stretch of the

01:38:40.520 imagination.

01:38:40.840 If you want to give, you can go to GiveSendGo.com slash Auburn W-A mom, Auburn Washington mom,

01:38:50.540 uh, at Give, Send, Go.

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01:40:37.120 So I'm glad Erica was on cause it, it will help me explain what I'm trying to do in this

01:40:46.220 last phase of my life because I think, cause I know how I feel with my kids in school.

01:40:53.360 There were times I'm like, I don't know what to do.

01:40:55.120 I have no idea.

01:40:55.840 Everything is changing.

01:40:56.940 They're saying things in school.

01:40:58.280 What do I do?

01:40:58.800 What do I do?

01:40:59.820 Um, and I'm, you know, I can argue.

01:41:02.760 I mean, my wife is always like, do not make a scene. 1.00

01:41:05.820 Um, so I'm a loud mouth and I'm pretty well informed, but a lot of people are just fighting

01:41:14.500 for their lives.

01:41:15.300 I mean, my wife, when we were raising the kids, she was homeschooling and everything

01:41:18.980 else.

01:41:19.780 She's not following the news.

01:41:21.240 She is just fighting for, you know, the family.

01:41:24.320 That's what she's doing.

01:41:25.520 And she follows it as best she can.

01:41:27.740 And that's the average person.

01:41:29.480 And my goal, the goal of the torch is to empower you.

01:41:34.360 And there's two devices that we are building right now.

01:41:37.760 And we're about probably two months away from a first phase of it.

01:41:42.600 And then a year away from, I think a significant phase, but Glenn AI and George AI, the George

01:41:50.160 AI is a comprehensive founding library that includes my collection, wall builders collection

01:41:56.420 and the American journey experience collection of anything prior to 1820.

01:42:00.340 It's all the founding documents.

01:42:02.700 It's all the, the writers from the founders.

01:42:05.140 It's anything that influenced them.

01:42:07.520 Um, you know, we have all of the sermons that you'll find pieces of the declaration of

01:42:12.640 independence in, because this is who, this is what was being preached at their, at their

01:42:17.180 churches.

01:42:18.240 Um, and so you get a real handle on that.

01:42:23.160 Um, and I want to do that.

01:42:25.560 And then Glenn AI is, is similar to that, but George AI is the one that it, it's not me.

01:42:34.880 It's the founders as much as we can.

01:42:37.160 And we're going to start peeling off stuff from the national archives.

01:42:40.600 It just takes time.

01:42:41.980 But my idea here, my goal is to have, you know, to be able to make scripts, give you scripts

01:42:49.060 at first, you know, and patterns that you as a parent can use based on critical thinking

01:42:54.960 catechism, which is teaching with questions, true stories, analogies, and a, uh, you know,

01:43:01.980 an outline of how you do it with your kids.

01:43:05.360 Okay.

01:43:05.920 All rooted in our proprietary AI system.

01:43:08.880 This is not chat GPT.

01:43:10.280 Okay.

01:43:10.720 Would not be doing this with chat GPT.

01:43:12.980 This is something that I am building.

01:43:14.900 I'm trying to build the ultimate, honestly, homeschooling tool for families.

01:43:21.480 Let me ask you, somebody said to me the other day, that's because nobody knows civics.

01:43:28.080 And I thought, you know, I, I, I don't even know.

01:43:32.860 I mean, I do, but as a parent, I don't even know what that means.

01:43:36.040 How do you teach?

01:43:36.580 How do you teach civics?

01:43:38.080 Okay.

01:43:38.280 Because I think that's what the average person is.

01:43:40.180 So I asked George AI, and this is before we have everything ready to go for you.

01:43:47.320 This is what George AI said.

01:43:48.980 Civics is not a class.

01:43:50.600 It's a covenant.

01:43:52.680 Civics is the knowledge of how free people govern themselves, how power is given, limited,

01:43:58.640 challenged, and restrained.

01:43:59.920 It's the quiet architecture of liberty, the branches of government, the rule of law, the

01:44:05.540 rights you were born with, and the duties you agreed to carry.

01:44:09.400 So those rights survive when civics is strong, freedom is everywhere.

01:44:14.900 And it feels ordinary when civics are forgotten.

01:44:17.760 Life becomes chaos, unclear with never ending changes of principles, depending on who's shouting

01:44:24.340 the loudest and who is in power.

01:44:26.120 I mean, is that not exactly what we're experiencing now?

01:44:28.620 Eventually, without civics, freedom disappears without a sound.

01:44:33.480 Civics matter because no constitution can protect a people who don't understand it.

01:44:39.640 The rights written on paper mean nothing if citizens don't know where they came from,

01:44:44.980 or how they are defended, or what happens if you just surrender this just once, this one

01:44:51.260 time.

01:44:51.700 Every tyrant in history has counted on ignorance, apathy, and the belief that someone else will

01:44:57.860 stand watch.

01:45:00.040 How do you teach civics?

01:45:01.480 We teach civics by telling true stories about restraint as much as rebellion, about compromise

01:45:08.900 as much as courage.

01:45:10.600 And we teach it through founding documents, slowly arguing honestly, and showing how ideas

01:45:16.820 become laws and laws shape lives.

01:45:18.760 But we live civics by doing something harder, self-government, vote when it's inconvenient,

01:45:26.740 defend free speech when you dislike the speech, demanding limits on leaders you agree with.

01:45:33.980 Remember that rights without responsibilities rot into entitlement.

01:45:39.260 Civics is not about politics.

01:45:41.160 It's about character.

01:45:43.740 And in a republic, in the end, it rises or falls not on elections, but on citizens who

01:45:49.340 know who they are, what they owe, and why it matters.

01:45:56.180 That's a good preface there.

01:45:58.240 That's good for you and me.

01:45:59.720 But how do you do this now?

01:46:01.880 How does Erica go to her 13-year-old daughter?

01:46:06.520 How does she teach and undo what has just been done by the school?

01:46:12.420 Because they're teaching her to protest.

01:46:14.440 They're not even teaching her why to protest.

01:46:16.660 Things got to change.

01:46:18.160 Something about ICE.

01:46:20.060 Law's wrong.

01:46:21.140 Not the law.

01:46:22.360 Not teaching the law.

01:46:23.560 Not teaching why you would protest, what you're trying to change, why violence is not the answer,

01:46:33.000 but peaceful protest may be at times.

01:46:35.940 They're not teaching anything.

01:46:37.940 What they're doing is they are just having you copy.

01:46:42.760 You're just a little AI.

01:46:46.200 You're just a body that just follow me.

01:46:48.880 Just do what I do.

01:46:50.020 Well, that's not thinking at all.

01:46:53.560 So how does a mom like Erica, who sounds great, but did you hear what she said?

01:46:59.680 I'm not a debater.

01:47:01.780 You don't have to be a debater.

01:47:03.560 When you know what it is, you don't have to debate.

01:47:09.680 All you need to know, and this is the key.

01:47:12.380 When people say I'm not a debater, I think what it means is I'm not sure I can go very deep on things.

01:47:20.780 Because if I'm not sure I can go very deep on things, that's what I say.

01:47:24.480 I don't know.

01:47:26.100 I don't know enough about that.

01:47:27.220 I don't know.

01:47:28.760 But most people don't do that. 0.97

01:47:31.280 They don't want to feel stupid. 0.97

01:47:33.260 And so they'll say, I'm not a good debater. 0.99

01:47:37.620 You have to talk to somebody else. 1.00

01:47:41.040 Well, it's not that you're stupid. 1.00

01:47:44.440 It's that nobody has taught you this. 1.00

01:47:46.300 So let me take you through what Erica or you should do with your 13-year-old that revolves around civics.

01:47:55.320 And this is why the torch, this is what we're trying to do.

01:47:59.640 To be able to have lessons for you and curricula that you can take and teach your children history and ethics, critical thinking and civics.

01:48:11.740 That's what the torch is really all about.

01:48:14.500 And if you'd like to help me build it, just go to glenbeck.com slash torch.

01:48:18.780 glenbeck.com slash torch.

01:48:21.600 All right.

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01:49:34.960 Torch is about empowering moms like Erica and students like her kids.

01:49:40.600 Help us build this mission right now.

01:49:42.600 Go to glennbeck.com slash torch.

01:49:44.260 I have a lot to say about Bitcoin and why it's going down.

01:50:02.620 I don't fully understand it yet.

01:50:06.160 I had a long conversation with somebody yesterday, and this is their deal.

01:50:10.600 And I need to fully understand it.

01:50:13.060 Hopefully, I'll have it by Monday.

01:50:15.500 Because if I understand it correctly, that's a really big deal.

01:50:19.240 A really, really big deal.

01:50:20.480 So, we'll talk about that on Monday.

01:50:24.160 I don't want you to worry while Bad Bunny is on.

01:50:27.440 You know, you got to be able to enjoy that.

01:50:30.660 Not a chance in the world.

01:50:33.480 Hope you're going to TPUSA, to their YouTube site, to watch the halftime show.

01:50:38.080 So, anyway, George AI is something that I'm building, and people don't understand yet because it's a year away from completion.

01:50:48.260 But I want to give you a piece of what the first thing that's going to start coming out.

01:50:53.300 I may even release this example.

01:50:55.180 But first, it's going to come out, you know, in text.

01:51:00.020 Then, it will come out so you can ask it questions, and it will help you teach or help you learn.

01:51:07.540 And it will speak in the language, whatever language around the world, but also, you know, the age-appropriate language.

01:51:15.280 This is proprietary.

01:51:16.640 This is not ChatGPT.

01:51:18.680 That's really important to understand.

01:51:20.260 This is completely different.

01:51:21.540 The goal is to get you to be able to talk to it and be able to say, hey, I need a lesson plan to teach, you know, the founding of America.

01:51:33.760 I need, you know, I have my kids in the car for 15 minutes a day, so I need a 12-minute lesson plan every day that has certain goals.

01:51:42.200 And here are the goals.

01:51:44.060 And it will teach.

01:51:45.460 And then it will, the next step is it will listen and ask questions at the end.

01:51:49.840 And if your kids aren't getting it, it will then revamp the next episode so it will be able to solidify that lost principle on there before you really move on.

01:52:01.920 That's the goal.

01:52:03.040 This is why I am building the torch.

01:52:05.380 This is why I'm asking you to join me at the torch because it's very expensive, but it is worth it.

01:52:12.780 And I think this is going to be an incredible tool.

01:52:17.300 Nobody is, nobody's where we are.

01:52:19.480 Nobody has access to what we have except for the federal government.

01:52:25.200 Anyway, so let me give you an example.

01:52:28.160 We were just talking to Erica, this mom who was in Washington State.

01:52:31.660 She had to talk to her 13-year-old daughter.

01:52:33.580 And I don't know how that went, but let's just say you're in that situation.

01:52:37.860 What do you do when you get home?

01:52:39.560 What do you do?

01:52:41.580 According to George AI, this is how you do it.

01:52:46.600 Your child sees a protest.

01:52:50.180 When you're talking to them, don't start with right or wrong.

01:52:53.480 Don't start with who's right.

01:52:55.280 Start with what are they trying to do?

01:52:58.200 And Erica said her daughter didn't even know what they were trying to do.

01:53:00.940 Okay, so let's just talk about it.

01:53:02.300 Let's take it step by step.

01:53:03.640 What are they trying to do?

01:53:04.800 Okay, they're trying, they think something's wrong and they're trying to make change happen.

01:53:09.480 Okay.

01:53:12.320 How does change happen in America?

01:53:16.740 Does change happen through protests?

01:53:19.120 Then walk through how the change happens.

01:53:24.080 City council, school board, legislature, courts, you know, Congress, et cetera, et cetera.

01:53:30.540 And show them that yelling gets attention, but the process is what actually changes things.

01:53:38.520 Yelling just gets people's attention.

01:53:40.900 And then it's critical.

01:53:42.160 The lesson is not to protest.

01:53:43.480 It's really important in that first time you're talking about this is to say they have a right to protest.

01:53:49.080 However, there are things that you don't do in protests.

01:53:51.960 Okay.

01:53:52.780 But the lesson is not to say protesting is bad.

01:53:56.860 It's that protest without participation is nothing more than theater.

01:54:01.540 You, they didn't teach you anything about the process.

01:54:05.180 Civics teaches patience, not, not passivity.

01:54:08.940 Now, George said, teach about Jesus.

01:54:14.760 I'm going to add MLK and Gandhi because that's where they got the principles of Jesus is reconciliation.

01:54:22.300 You ask your kid, how do you have a country?

01:54:25.060 If you can't bring people together, what happens if we can never decide, do we have a country?

01:54:31.080 The answer is no.

01:54:32.320 So if we want to have a country, we can't have losers and winners.

01:54:36.680 We have to reconcile, but reconcile with what?

01:54:41.600 You got to reconcile with the truth.

01:54:45.080 Okay.

01:54:45.540 So let's go through the problem.

01:54:47.740 This is a problem.

01:54:48.300 This is the critical thinking, how to teach your kids critical thinking.

01:54:54.600 Agreement in a society is rare.

01:54:58.100 Okay.

01:54:59.220 And reconciliation is essential.

01:55:01.920 It has to happen.

01:55:03.220 If a society decides that politics produces winners and losers, you know, it eventually treats its citizens as enemies to be defeated, not neighbors to be persuaded.

01:55:14.020 And that's what's happening.

01:55:15.160 Everybody's an enemy with one another.

01:55:16.880 That's not self-government.

01:55:18.340 That's a cold civil war.

01:55:19.860 So the question is not, how do we win?

01:55:23.340 The question is, how do we get people back using the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

01:55:30.760 Because reconciliation without truth is surrender.

01:55:35.580 Truth without reconciliation becomes cruelty.

01:55:39.100 So now you're sitting and you've gone through this with your kid and now the catechism part comes.

01:55:46.400 Teach by questions.

01:55:48.360 Do you even know what reconciliation is?

01:55:51.920 Talk to him about that.

01:55:53.120 It's not compromise with lies or falsehoods.

01:55:56.100 It's the restoration of the relationship of a couple of people after truth has been spoken.

01:56:04.720 So what did Jesus do?

01:56:06.280 He didn't condemn everybody.

01:56:08.440 Did he condemn or did he invite people?

01:56:11.820 And did he do it with the truth?

01:56:14.560 I mean, he used the truth and then left the door open.

01:56:17.260 Go and sin no more.

01:56:19.120 Came after.

01:56:20.600 Neither do I condemn you.

01:56:22.340 Did everybody follow him?

01:56:26.060 No.

01:56:26.640 A lot of people walked away.

01:56:27.900 Reconciliation doesn't require universal agreement.

01:56:30.500 Only honest witness.

01:56:33.340 So what's your responsibility as a citizen, a civics part?

01:56:38.060 It's not to convert everybody.

01:56:40.340 Yours is to peacefully speak the truth with humility, without contempt for anyone and without any force.

01:56:48.300 Protesting is legal.

01:56:49.860 You start using force.

01:56:51.560 Now you start to get into the place where you're breaking laws.

01:56:56.000 And this is the key principle.

01:56:57.420 This is where republics live or die.

01:56:59.940 Jesus didn't chase crowds.

01:57:02.600 He spoke to those who could still hear.

01:57:05.260 And that matters.

01:57:06.480 Not everybody is reachable at the same moment in history.

01:57:09.080 Some people are hardened or intoxicated by ideology or enraged by winning, invested in chaos, whatever.

01:57:18.320 You don't persuade those people with argument.

01:57:20.860 You persuade them only through example, consistency, and time.

01:57:25.640 You don't persuade all of them at once.

01:57:28.860 You don't.

01:57:29.260 That's why it is so important to never engage in the kind of stuff that you're seeing them engage in.

01:57:36.460 Because if you're doing the same thing, then they don't notice a difference.

01:57:40.800 And here's how you know who to talk to.

01:57:46.340 Here's the test.

01:57:47.500 If someone can still ask a sincere question.

01:57:51.880 What's a sincere question?

01:57:54.140 A sincere question is, if I give you the answer and you go, wow, that makes sense.

01:58:01.320 And it disagrees with what you say is causing your behavior.

01:58:06.700 But you go, that's true.

01:58:09.000 You've done your homework.

01:58:10.140 That's actually true.

01:58:11.640 Will that then change you in any way?

01:58:16.100 If I show you that that five-year-old, that story is not what you think it is.

01:58:21.620 If I show that to you, will you say, oh, wow, okay, I better question some other things.

01:58:30.080 Or will you say, well, it doesn't matter.

01:58:32.360 They're doing it anyway.

01:58:34.080 That's not a sincere person.

01:58:36.420 If they won't change their behavior once you speak truth, then they're not reachable.

01:58:41.440 If they can't distinguish between truth and power, they're not ready.

01:58:46.020 Jesus called it those who could hear.

01:58:48.400 Let me give you an analogy.

01:58:50.200 Think of truth like a plumb line on a construction site.

01:58:55.000 Did you see there's a video going around about these skyscrapers in China

01:58:59.860 where the walls are coming apart from the floors?

01:59:04.000 They're skyscrapers.

01:59:05.540 And you can put your head on the window and look down

01:59:08.640 because they're separate from all of the floors.

01:59:11.700 Nothing is straight.

01:59:12.860 Not good.

01:59:15.260 When you put a plumb line down, that's to make sure that everything is straight.

01:59:19.160 Okay, gravity just pulls that straight.

01:59:21.380 And so, you know, that's a straight wall.

01:59:22.880 You don't bend the plumb line to match the crooked wall and then say, see, it's straight.

01:59:27.380 And you don't smash the wall with the plumb line either.

01:59:30.920 You just hang it quietly.

01:59:33.200 You let everybody see what a straight line actually is.

01:59:36.840 Some builders will adjust.

01:59:38.580 Some might argue that that line is oppressive.

01:59:42.900 Some will walk away.

01:59:44.560 But the building that survives is the one that aligns to the truth, to the plumb line,

01:59:50.340 not the one that wins the argument.

01:59:52.520 You can argue about that plumb line all you want.

01:59:54.600 Gravity is gravity.

01:59:55.640 It's true.

01:59:56.940 And a republic is exactly the same.

01:59:58.820 One last example.

02:00:03.340 Tell them a story.

02:00:06.600 Imagine a family sitting at a dinner table.

02:00:10.240 And half of the family is on one side of the dinner table and the other half is on the other.

02:00:14.000 One side is wrong.

02:00:14.880 It doesn't matter what the topic is.

02:00:16.040 One side is wrong, but they don't know it yet.

02:00:18.980 The other side knows the truth.

02:00:21.300 Okay?

02:00:21.500 The other side might be tempted to humiliate the other side.

02:00:26.420 If the right side declares victory and storms out, the family is lost.

02:00:31.900 If the side that's wrong is indulged, the family collapses into lies and chaos.

02:00:38.620 So neither side wins, right?

02:00:41.980 Reconciliation happens when you, the one person, stays seated and calm and says,

02:00:46.880 I'm not going to lie.

02:00:48.960 I'm not just to keep the peace.

02:00:50.380 I will not play this game with you, but I'm not going to abandon you either.

02:00:54.340 And when you're, when you're ready, I'm still here and the truth will still be true.

02:01:01.100 That's how nations heal slowly, quietly with scars that you don't hide.

02:01:11.620 This is the goal of the torch to be able to have a tool that you can trust.

02:01:19.480 That's not chat GPT.

02:01:22.160 You trust that at all?

02:01:23.440 I don't know what's in chat GPT other than everything.

02:01:26.640 And I don't want everything influencing.

02:01:31.040 So here's a tool that is only based on the founders, their words, their beliefs, their principles, the things they wrote.

02:01:39.280 Things that I know, okay, I can trust that cannot pull anything outside, can't pull anything from me, can't pull anything from the left.

02:01:49.700 It's just their words.

02:01:51.600 And you can ask it questions.

02:01:55.740 How do I teach this?

02:01:58.260 And you get that answer back.

02:01:59.920 And if you can't do it, eventually, hopefully in a year, maybe a year from now, it will be able to guide you and the family.

02:02:11.280 You'll be able to sit there and you can ask a question.

02:02:13.700 Wait, I don't understand that, George.

02:02:15.800 He'll explain it again.

02:02:16.920 Then you can take and explain.

02:02:18.780 And then he'd correct you if you're incorrect or encourage you.

02:02:21.760 Yes, that's exactly right.

02:02:23.100 Then ask questions.

02:02:24.060 That's what we have to do, ask questions.

02:02:28.200 That's the best way to teach, ask questions.

02:02:34.200 That's why I've been asking you to join me at The Torch.

02:02:36.260 If you want to help me build this, it's expensive.

02:02:38.340 I'm spending a lot of money, six figures every single month, just to build this because I believe in it so much.

02:02:49.960 And I don't care.

02:02:51.360 I'll build it by myself.

02:02:52.760 But I'd love your help if you want, if you think it's worth it.

02:02:57.960 It's $10 a month to join The Torch.

02:03:00.180 You get all the backstage stuff.

02:03:02.180 You get all the bells and whistles, everything else.

02:03:04.640 But this is what I'm really trying to do.

02:03:07.540 We're going to be releasing music soon.

02:03:10.260 My first 10 songs on the Bill of Rights.

02:03:17.840 You remember Schoolhouse Rock?

02:03:19.980 Similar to that, but contemporary, that you can just play in the house, play with your kids.

02:03:25.360 They can listen to, and they'll be singing along the five and the first.

02:03:30.740 There are five rights in the First Amendment.

02:03:32.840 Nobody knows that.

02:03:34.480 Let them just sing along.

02:03:35.700 Just play it in the house.

02:03:37.220 Let them just sing along with it.

02:03:38.660 How many times do you sing songs or have songs running and you have no idea what the words are about?

02:03:43.500 My idea is, why don't we make the words help us instead of hurt us? 0.96

02:03:50.340 Why not put words in there that are not goofy and stupid, but actually just sound like a normal song that will teach history? 0.96

02:04:01.420 Do these things. 0.98

02:04:02.620 That's one of the things that we're working on.

02:04:04.240 Some of that's coming out soon.

02:04:06.120 But join us at Torch.

02:04:07.500 You just go to glennbeck.com slash torch, glennbeck.com slash torch, and join us.

02:04:13.100 All right.

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02:04:16.400 One of the biggest financial decisions most people make, and yet a lot of folks go into it with whatever agent happens to be found first.

02:04:24.520 Markets shift.

02:04:25.640 Selling your house.

02:04:27.600 You don't know.

02:04:28.180 It's shifting market.

02:04:29.260 Timing matters.

02:04:30.500 Negotiations get complex fast.

02:04:33.100 That's why I tell you about real estate agents I trust.

02:04:35.140 This is a network of experienced vetted agents all across the country who know their local markets and know how to guide people through the process the right way.

02:04:43.260 Let's say you're, I mean, I used realestateagents.com when I sold my house in Texas, had a great agent who sold it.

02:04:52.260 I mean, to the day I said, I need it sold by this time.

02:04:55.300 That was the day we closed.

02:04:56.840 And I had another great agent here in Florida, and all I did was just go to realestateagentsitrust.com, who's our agent there.

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02:05:43.080 So, let me just ask the crew here, Sarah, Ricky, Jason.

02:06:01.520 Is everybody watching the Super Bowl Sunday?

02:06:04.460 I have, like, no interest, but I'm not a sports guy.

02:06:07.080 Yeah.

02:06:07.680 My husband's a huge Patriots fan.

02:06:09.340 Yeah.

02:06:09.640 Okay.

02:06:10.160 Sarah?

02:06:10.700 I'm just watching the halftime show.

02:06:13.080 That was my next question.

02:06:16.840 Who's going to watch the halftime?

02:06:18.860 She has to.

02:06:20.160 Report back.

02:06:20.980 Yeah.

02:06:21.200 Somebody has to watch it so they can report back.

02:06:24.280 I'm tempted to watch just to see how bad it is, but I don't want to give them a single

02:06:29.960 ratings point, so I will make sure that my TV is off of that.

02:06:33.520 We're going to be watching TPUSA.

02:06:36.180 Yeah.

02:06:37.940 Well, Jason is a huge Kid Rock fan.

02:06:41.720 He's always doing...

02:06:42.640 Mega.

02:06:43.140 ...which the insiders don't like.

02:06:44.860 I saw that.

02:06:46.540 Every time...

02:06:47.540 If you ever see me riding my motorcycle around DFW, Kid Rock will be the only thing blaring

02:06:52.480 from the speakers every single time.

02:06:54.160 That's 100%.

02:06:54.860 He keeps his plane at the airport where I fly in to come home, and his plane says it is

02:07:02.800 the gaudiest thing you've ever seen.

02:07:04.200 It's just so him.

02:07:05.280 It's all like, you know, Kid Rock or American Outlaw or something like that, all in like

02:07:11.640 gold lettering, and then the tail just has the bird, if you know what I'm saying.

02:07:17.960 We know.

02:07:18.460 Yes.

02:07:18.760 And it's like, well, Kid Rock is in town.

02:07:21.260 Kid Rock is in town.

02:07:22.600 Clamp-back is on!

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