The Glenn Beck Program - The Untold Story of Alex Jones ｜ Ep 227

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00:00:34.360 It's been said that my next guest presides over a conspiracy empire.

00:00:40.760 It's been said that he's the most paranoid man in America.

00:00:45.100 But today, I wanted to spend some time and find out the person behind the persona.

00:00:52.920 The person, just trying to find out who he really is.

00:00:59.080 It's beyond all of the labels.

00:01:01.120 And let him tell the story and you decide for yourself.

00:01:05.540 Is he a truth teller being persecuted in submission?

00:01:09.300 Or is he a sensationalist being brought to justice?

00:01:12.980 Or is it a little of everything?

00:01:15.120 In the end, you have to decide.

00:01:19.480 This has been controversial, even in my own building, to have him on.

00:01:26.600 But I believe in free speech.

00:01:31.020 Even for people that I disagree with.

00:01:35.120 If we lose the freedom to speak.

00:01:38.760 There is no freedom.

00:01:42.680 So, today, I welcome to the podcast a man I honestly never thought I would sit down with.

00:01:50.120 Alex Jones.

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00:03:07.760 Welcome, Alex.

00:03:22.280 How are you?

00:03:22.880 It's great to be here.

00:03:23.980 Yeah.

00:03:24.300 Thank you.

00:03:24.760 You are a hard guy to find anybody neutral about you.

00:03:35.260 There's nobody neutral.

00:03:36.440 You know, I was talking to my producers and they said, every source we find either loves

00:03:41.480 him or absolutely hates him.

00:03:43.540 Um, who, who are you?

00:03:49.140 People think you're a villain or a hero.

00:03:52.580 Talk to me about both of those labels.

00:03:54.780 Who are you?

00:03:56.340 Have I had to quantify more like a Tasmanian devil?

00:03:59.220 I mean, not really a bad guy, but not, but we kind of get out of control a while, especially

00:04:03.300 when I was younger.

00:04:03.840 I mean, I'm 50 now and I've always tried to tell the truth.

00:04:07.880 Always tried to be accurate, but I look back on being on air 30 years, completely self-taught

00:04:13.280 since I was 20 on access TV and a local radio show and got self-syndicated on some markets

00:04:19.120 and started making documentary films.

00:04:23.680 So I'm completely self-taught.

00:04:25.820 And so I've kind of gotten educated over the 30 years.

00:04:29.900 And I mean, I was, I was always in like reading books written by the globalists and studying

00:04:34.600 history.

00:04:34.920 And that was always fascinating.

00:04:35.700 So most information was accurate, but there wasn't, there wasn't much perspective of time

00:04:39.800 and interviewing thousands of people and all the experiences and then making the mistakes

00:04:43.060 I've made.

00:04:43.580 But I never liked the corporate dinosaur media tried to deceive people.

00:04:47.960 In fact, it was the opposite.

00:04:48.860 There wasn't like some big formula to it.

00:04:51.420 And when I got sued by the lawfare deep state, which they now miss the democratic party and

00:04:55.960 the FBI justice department has even come out in court and, and in undercover videos, uh,

00:05:00.740 they kept saying, who's your boss?

00:05:01.820 Who's telling you to say this?

00:05:02.900 Who's doing it?

00:05:03.400 And it was, it was all me.

00:05:05.700 Um, so you are on this, this recent, uh, I mean, you were completely pushed out of the

00:05:17.940 media, um, and it was kiss of death to even say your name.

00:05:25.300 Um, and now you're kind of having this resurgence.

00:05:32.840 What is the difference between you then and you now?

00:05:38.120 That's a big question.

00:05:39.580 Uh, short answer, long, medium answer.

00:05:42.260 No, but every, we have all the time in the world.

00:05:46.100 I've only started to do kind of introspective things on myself last five years or so.

00:05:53.640 And I didn't realize how big my show was even 25 years ago or 20 years ago or 15 years ago.

00:06:04.040 And I would also, you know, joke around and be sarcastic and have a lot of satire.

00:06:10.480 And then they would mix that in with something I said an hour later, very serious.

00:06:14.280 And I guess a tax in a way made me bigger, a lot bigger, but I really wasn't even thinking

00:06:22.380 about that.

00:06:23.080 I was kind of seat in my pants and then now being 50 and having 21 year old son, 20 year

00:06:30.000 old daughter, 16 year old daughter, seven year old daughter, and just having a divorce and

00:06:34.260 going through all that and just experiencing things and then getting older and, you know,

00:06:37.080 having a lot of your friends and family die.

00:06:39.520 Uh, it's just, it's just, uh, I've become more retrospective and, and more, you know,

00:06:44.840 I don't want to say nostalgic.

00:06:46.600 The world's gotten a lot darker.

00:06:48.040 So much of what I said was going to happen because it was in the actual globalist white

00:06:51.420 papers and crystal ball came true.

00:06:54.580 And so people started taking what I was saying a lot more seriously and then kind of chair

00:06:59.500 picking the mistakes or things out of context.

00:07:02.360 And so I realized I have a much larger responsibility.

00:07:03.960 It's cheesy, but it's true with great power comes great responsibility.

00:07:06.420 Like Spider-Man and I'll be honest about it.

00:07:08.980 Cause I want to be a good example for people.

00:07:10.940 I was not a big drinker in high school or college.

00:07:13.760 I'd go to a party, drink a few beers while my buddies were throwing up, you know, and

00:07:16.840 things like that.

00:07:18.240 But getting into talk radio 29 years ago and then being around the sales guys, the older

00:07:23.780 guys, still that old radio generation was there.

00:07:27.040 Which was a bad, I was in that generation.

00:07:29.240 I was a bad generation.

00:07:30.540 Bad generation.

00:07:31.100 And so I was going out with the bosses and they were drinking scotch and smoking cigars

00:07:34.160 and I liked it.

00:07:35.260 That's what you did.

00:07:35.820 And I was making more money as a salesman than even my first radio job.

00:07:39.480 And I ended up being like one of the top salesmen there at that station or the top salesman

00:07:43.700 at one point.

00:07:44.700 And, and I just slowly got into alcohol and then it got to where I drank at night and

00:07:50.060 then it got to where I started, you know, maybe by the end of the show drinking some and

00:07:53.960 then, Oh, kind of the middle of the show.

00:07:55.480 And then I'd say right when Trump started running is when I would say I became an alcoholic.

00:08:00.320 I mean, I really fell into it to where I needed it to have energy.

00:08:04.000 So I was drinking when I got into the office or right when I went on air, I'd have the

00:08:07.600 first drink of like vodka and soda most days.

00:08:10.140 And, and, uh, it never got to me a morning drinking or anything.

00:08:14.580 So were you buzzed or were you drunk while you were on the air?

00:08:20.380 Well, we were talking before we went on air here or taped here that, uh, that you were

00:08:26.060 saying, yeah, you know, in your days you told the crew, you would have a lot better show

00:08:30.260 if I was drunk.

00:08:30.820 I mean, I think that's true some of the time because it's vino veritas.

00:08:34.000 It relaxes you.

00:08:35.040 And I've known a lot of musicians and people that don't drink in their regular life.

00:08:37.940 When they go out on stage and drink a half bottle of wine, maybe in a break, they'll

00:08:42.200 drink another and then come back out and play five more songs.

00:08:44.200 I mean, there is something to it.

00:08:45.480 It's, it's a poison, but it was a poison where starting about.

00:08:49.300 Nine years ago is when I really started drinking a lot more.

00:08:52.980 And then by the time Trump got elected, um, I went from being buzzed on air to at least

00:08:58.720 one day a week being drunk and I can trace back any problems or issues I've had to when

00:09:02.720 I was drunk.

00:09:03.420 I've been honest with the listeners.

00:09:04.760 And so it was the opposite of some big corporate planned out thing.

00:09:07.680 It was, uh, doing a bunch of research constantly in the news, really caring.

00:09:11.740 Uh, but then especially the nighttime shows, you know, sometimes I would go on air with

00:09:16.640 like a live podcast format and, you know, I'm going to go ahead.

00:09:19.300 I'd go live at nine.

00:09:20.180 I'd be on there at two in the morning and we'd have millions and millions and millions

00:09:23.160 of listeners at that, you know, right then.

00:09:26.140 And they were drinking too, probably.

00:09:27.620 And it was, it was crazy.

00:09:28.700 So, and, and then about, I guess five, six years ago, I started slowly cutting down and

00:09:34.760 then I've just completely quit drinking.

00:09:36.600 And, uh, so it feels great.

00:09:39.480 And I would, and the demon's gone.

00:09:41.380 I have absolutely no desire.

00:09:42.860 I can go out with people when they're drinking.

00:09:43.820 I can go to a party.

00:09:44.840 I can go to events and I just want zero.

00:09:47.420 And then I've found more discipline than I'm not in great shape.

00:09:50.720 Cause I kind of, you know, almost wrecked my health doing it.

00:09:52.640 Yeah.

00:09:52.860 But, uh, I've, I've, uh, you know, gotten where I'm starting to do intermittent fasting.

00:09:57.080 It's really good.

00:09:57.580 And I've been exercising more.

00:09:58.540 And, uh, just, so are you, did you go to AA?

00:10:02.480 Do you, do you say you were an alcoholic and you're now an alcoholic in recovery or you,

00:10:08.140 I have gone to AA meetings.

00:10:11.160 So, but I mean, I'm trying to label, I'm trying to see what, how you label this.

00:10:15.800 You had a problem with drinking and now you choose not to drink or you're an alcoholic.

00:10:20.520 And so you sworn it off.

00:10:22.500 You know, I mean, I think AA is really helpful and done a great job.

00:10:25.260 I wouldn't say I'm like an AA guy, you know, the sister that says, I'm an alcoholic in

00:10:28.740 the meetings.

00:10:29.000 I've never done that, but I've been to them.

00:10:30.600 I've gone with some family.

00:10:31.360 I've taken friends to it.

00:10:32.740 I've probably been to AA probably 50 times.

00:10:35.240 Uh, but you know, to me, the other times like pulling away from the last five, six years

00:10:40.700 and then, and then, and then that's really the big change.

00:10:42.760 And then down to not very much and then none, uh, for quite a while.

00:10:47.160 Uh, I, I mean, I guess the people at AA say they're always wanting it.

00:10:51.380 It's always an issue.

00:10:52.080 Um, to me, I mean, I think it was alcoholic level stuff.

00:10:56.260 I, I, these are all just terms.

00:10:58.200 Yeah.

00:10:58.440 So to me, it's, it's like being demon possessed.

00:11:01.520 It's no longer there.

00:11:02.840 And then you look back on it and you go, how the hell was I doing that?

00:11:05.440 Uh, so I think that's, that's really what it is.

00:11:08.240 I mean, when I was younger, I didn't get in road rage and stuff, but if somebody cut

00:11:11.360 me off or yelled at me, I'd flip them off back.

00:11:13.060 I mean, for 25 years or so, I don't flip somebody off.

00:11:15.940 I've actually feel sorry for them and wave at them.

00:11:18.080 And even if I'm not in the wrong, I say, I'm sorry.

00:11:20.080 I, that was like another thing where I'd get mad and traffic and it's just some, one

00:11:23.440 day it went away.

00:11:24.060 Uh, and, and, and so, um, but, but T bones and, uh, ribeyes and cheese, potatoes and stuff.

00:11:33.700 And I've got a real problem.

00:11:34.660 That still got me, but yeah, Texas is a hard place to live in if you care about your health

00:11:40.200 because the food is unbelievable.

00:11:42.440 There's lots of it and most of it's fried.

00:11:44.540 Yeah, absolutely.

00:11:45.600 Yeah.

00:11:45.700 Chicken fried steaks.

00:11:46.600 You're getting that.

00:11:47.120 Yeah.

00:11:47.300 It's like Merrill Monroe or prime chicken fried steak.

00:11:49.880 I might go chicken fried steak.

00:11:51.440 So who were you as a kid?

00:11:53.280 You said earlier that you had always read about conspiracy stuff.

00:11:57.320 Who were you as a kid?

00:11:58.920 What were your interests as a kid?

00:12:01.540 I didn't realize growing up here in Texas and both sides of my family are founding Texas

00:12:06.180 families.

00:12:06.740 I mean, like really in the whole thing, creating it Washington Brazos, my ancestors, then raised

00:12:12.220 Colonel Travis's son on my mom's side, a bunch of other stuff.

00:12:14.460 And then my dad's side, we still have land here.

00:12:16.740 They got Mexican land grants, still have copies of it laminated from the Mexican government,

00:12:21.260 like 12, 13 cents an acre.

00:12:23.300 We still have some of that land in East Texas.

00:12:25.460 So I didn't realize that I got the Americana upbringing, you know, teaching me about guns

00:12:30.440 at four, putting Folgers cans out there and shooting them with a 410 shotgun, teach the

00:12:34.620 power.

00:12:35.020 And then by the time I was six, good shot with 22.

00:12:36.520 And a lot of my family, and I didn't realize that, but that was interesting, were in clandestine

00:12:44.060 stuff and Army Special Operations and things like that.

00:12:46.380 So growing up on both sides of the family, my mom's brother was big in Iran-Contra and

00:12:52.000 all that kind of stuff.

00:12:52.940 So I grew up-

00:12:53.340 How do you mean big into it?

00:12:54.540 Big in exposing it?

00:12:55.840 No, in it.

00:12:56.640 In it?

00:12:57.040 Doing it, you know.

00:12:58.140 Yeah.

00:12:58.580 Wow.

00:12:58.980 What part?

00:13:01.200 With Army Special Operations, the CIA and stuff.

00:13:03.540 I mean, he was a boss.

00:13:05.640 I mean, he was building airfields and communications systems down there.

00:13:08.280 But he did a bunch.

00:13:09.220 He was a big hero in Vietnam and stuff like that, a helicopter pilot.

00:13:12.820 But he told me before he died, he did a lot of stuff he was told to do in Vietnam and

00:13:15.680 there.

00:13:15.900 That's why I was promoted to those places.

00:13:17.520 But he said it got to a point that he couldn't do it anymore.

00:13:19.840 He told me when he died 11 years ago, right when he was dying, he said, all this stuff

00:13:23.740 you're covering is real.

00:13:24.540 He goes, you know, I got out of this in the late 80s when we found out they were using the

00:13:27.480 airfields to fly kids out of Guatemala, orphanages, we don't know where.

00:13:30.880 But he and a bunch of guys got out then and he said Reagan didn't know, but it was Herbert

00:13:36.140 Walker above him.

00:13:37.520 And now you're all about Guatemala and trafficking.

00:13:40.100 This is a lot bigger now.

00:13:41.540 I mean, exponentially, but it's been going on a while.

00:13:44.480 And so that, my mom's dad was involved in a lot of inventions and things behind the scenes,

00:13:51.840 more of the DARPA, ARPA type stuff.

00:13:54.560 And we never learned what that was.

00:13:56.060 So I grew up around hearing him talk about just the politics in general.

00:13:58.900 And my dad had been really informed, been involved in just all sorts of interesting

00:14:03.020 science things.

00:14:04.260 And a lot of his family were involved in the clandestine stuff.

00:14:09.920 And so, I mean, the muscle end of it, too.

00:14:13.300 So I just grew up.

00:14:14.740 What does that mean?

00:14:15.860 Wet work?

00:14:17.040 Yeah.

00:14:17.540 Yeah.

00:14:17.800 Stuff like that.

00:14:18.480 Wow.

00:14:18.980 Yeah.

00:14:19.380 So I mean, I grew up around that and I didn't realize that I was like growing up and,

00:14:23.620 you know, around this, but they were all anti-globalists, anti-New World Order, knew all about

00:14:27.120 it and were saying the government's being taken over and it's bad.

00:14:30.160 And I'd be like 15 and Limbaugh was just coming on really hot to insidicate.

00:14:36.380 I'm like, Limbaugh's great.

00:14:37.420 And they're like, that's bull.

00:14:38.280 The Republicans are controlled, too.

00:14:40.060 CFR, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:14:41.520 You know, that's all control paradigm.

00:14:43.360 Now it's not.

00:14:44.100 And I don't think Limbaugh was controlled.

00:14:45.380 The point was he wasn't to the level of their knowledge and saying all that.

00:14:48.180 So they were just like, hey, kid, that's not what's going on.

00:14:51.000 Right.

00:14:51.240 And read this book.

00:14:53.300 And so if you want to, I mean, my mother has got a degree in history.

00:14:56.700 And so the house was full of history books.

00:14:58.500 And I liked, I loved comic books.

00:15:00.080 I loved, you know, the Pulp Fiction written here in Texas, Conan the Barbarian.

00:15:05.820 I was reading, I was a really good reader.

00:15:07.480 So I was reading, you know, teenage stuff when I was like eight, nine, 10, and then college

00:15:11.720 stuff at the time I was a teenager.

00:15:13.000 And so I was reading just as much as I could read of that.

00:15:15.660 And then about eight or nine, I started wanting to read the history books around.

00:15:19.800 And my parents wouldn't buy me a lot of junk.

00:15:22.680 I had to, you know, get a job for a bicycle or whatever because I wanted to be hardworking.

00:15:25.580 But if I wanted encyclopedias off TV and back then there were, you know, TV ads constantly.

00:15:30.600 So they got me the Wild Wild West encyclopedia set and World War I encyclopedia set and World

00:15:35.660 War II encyclopedia set.

00:15:37.100 And if I just saw the ads and wanted it, my dad had a lot, he loved encyclopedias.

00:15:41.560 The house was just full of books.

00:15:42.840 And so it was his office everywhere else.

00:15:44.560 And then they would say, fine.

00:15:45.460 I'd write the number down.

00:15:46.380 My mom or dad would call.

00:15:47.320 And then, and so like, you know, usually once a month you get a new encyclopedia or we

00:15:52.540 had encyclopedias every few days, different types coming and they were pictured encyclopedias

00:15:56.640 quote for adults and kids, but they were tailored to everybody.

00:15:59.780 But I would read all those encyclopedias by the time I was 10 or 11.

00:16:04.420 And then I started reading Rise and Fall, the Third Reich by Schur, Heinz Hobel's Order

00:16:08.460 of the Death's Head.

00:16:09.500 That was really fascinating that I wanted to know about Russian history.

00:16:12.100 And then I read Julius Caesar's Battle for Gaul.

00:16:15.380 I read some of the other compilations of things they'd written in books, Marcus Aurelius,

00:16:22.000 things like that.

00:16:22.700 And I started reading Socrates, Plato, all that stuff.

00:16:26.120 And then I hit puberty.

00:16:27.800 And I played sports and stuff too.

00:16:29.020 I wasn't a bookworm.

00:16:29.700 I was just swimming and, you know, soccer and football.

00:16:31.900 And then I just went girl crazy and started, you know, Dallas.

00:16:35.740 I grew up in Rockwall, but even there it was more, that was kind of the old school.

00:16:39.120 A lot of fistfights, a lot of that stuff.

00:16:40.460 I got, you know, into that.

00:16:42.360 Yeah, you were, I mean, you were a tough guy in a tough school.

00:16:48.100 Yeah, I mean, it was a pretty nice school, but it was still politically correct.

00:16:51.320 And if you want to get point blank about it, I mean, it was cliques.

00:16:55.100 And so if you weren't in the certain redneck club, and there was other redneck clubs,

00:16:58.820 then they would start fights with you as seniors when you were freshmen,

00:17:01.580 or kids that had flunked three times when you were in seventh or eighth grade.

00:17:04.060 And, you know, I had a lot of black friends that were great, but there was also,

00:17:07.240 you know, some of the black kids would beat up the smaller white kids.

00:17:10.460 And so I, I mean, by, by sixth grade, there'd be people that had flunked a few grades

00:17:15.100 trying to beat me up.

00:17:16.260 And I came home with black eyes.

00:17:17.880 And my dad said, we got to fight harder.

00:17:20.100 One time, I got, a bunch of guys jumped me when I was, and broke my leg.

00:17:25.340 And my dad didn't file charges or anything.

00:17:26.960 He said, you know, just, you'll kick their ass later.

00:17:28.720 My dad wasn't like Mr. Tough Guy.

00:17:29.860 That was how he was.

00:17:31.340 And that was old school.

00:17:33.100 I saw the new Reagan movie, and it's basically a story where the kids come to beat him up.

00:17:35.900 The mom goes, go out and fight him and close the door.

00:17:37.920 That's how it was.

00:17:38.760 That's right.

00:17:39.480 And so, but then I got attention for that and thought it was great by like the seventh grade

00:17:44.340 so that I just started just, you know, I mean, it was, I mean, if I told all the stories,

00:17:48.680 it would sound like I was making it up.

00:17:49.660 I mean, I put a bunch of people in the hospital, put people in comas, and they dug around.

00:17:53.620 The Democrats went and found stories about it, then twisted what actually happened.

00:17:56.940 But then I, then they took me out of high school when I was 16, sent me to the ranch for a year.

00:18:00.940 And I worked for a large animal vet in East Texas.

00:18:05.240 What's the ranch?

00:18:06.460 We don't, it doesn't really have a name.

00:18:08.360 It's just Jones.

00:18:09.880 I mean, it's, it's been there forever.

00:18:11.060 Okay.

00:18:11.400 Your ranch.

00:18:12.140 Yeah.

00:18:12.300 Yeah.

00:18:12.540 Home place.

00:18:13.040 Yeah.

00:18:13.220 I mean, it used to be really big.

00:18:14.380 Now it's mainly woods.

00:18:15.600 Over time, they've sold it and sold, sold it down to a few thousand acres of woods.

00:18:18.760 Yeah.

00:18:19.060 There's some pastures and stuff, but I say I went to the ranch.

00:18:22.420 They got me a job with a large animal vet.

00:18:23.860 I did that for a year.

00:18:24.680 And then my dad's sold his dental offices here in Dallas and he's, we moved to Austin

00:18:29.440 and I finished two years of high school.

00:18:31.000 So I was in high school five years and you got straight A's then and became a prep and

00:18:34.520 just wanted to get out.

00:18:35.580 But Austin was more liberal, the good side of liberal.

00:18:38.620 So no fighting, nothing ever happened.

00:18:41.200 I think there was one fight in two years there.

00:18:42.960 I just kept my mouth shut and hung out with college kids and I was done.

00:18:46.520 And so I've never been in any trouble since then, but I got arrested quite a bit.

00:18:50.740 I put in solitary confinement.

00:18:52.000 They always dropped it because I never started the fights.

00:18:53.780 But when they, you know, police pull up and there's a big, you know, big, big guy, you

00:18:57.980 know, with blood coming out of his ears and having convulsions on the ground, they, they,

00:19:02.520 they take you to jail.

00:19:03.780 Yeah.

00:19:04.120 And one time they had to get a hearing for about a week and a half.

00:19:06.460 So I was in, they would take you from Rockwall out to the temple back then was the big

00:19:10.900 juvenile.

00:19:11.880 And let me tell you a week and a half of juvenile was, I never want to go back to jail after

00:19:15.880 that.

00:19:16.500 And I was like, Hey, just send me away.

00:19:18.120 I want it.

00:19:18.460 Cause by then everybody wanted to fight me.

00:19:19.840 I mean, I'd be, you know, I'd be in a McDonald's with a girlfriend and there'd be some big guy

00:19:23.740 come in and go, you put my little brother, I'm going to kill your ass.

00:19:26.780 I'm huge guy.

00:19:27.680 And I mean, it would be, it would be on.

00:19:29.620 And then, um, and then I was in the McDonald's parking lot fighting this guy and he was, and

00:19:34.120 he was like a convict and he was kicking my ass, you know, I could fight really good.

00:19:37.260 And some other guy jumps out and attacks him.

00:19:40.520 It was, it was different culture.

00:19:41.840 That's kind of faded away.

00:19:42.860 But people that knew Texas 35 years ago, I'll tell you, that's how it was.

00:19:47.440 Very rough.

00:19:48.040 If you looked at somebody wrong in Dallas or anywhere around it in the late eighties, early

00:19:51.680 nineties, you were going to be in a fight.

00:19:52.640 So it was kind of like the old Westerns where they go out and you look at me wrong at the

00:19:56.260 bar, but actually based on real stuff.

00:19:58.100 Yeah.

00:19:58.560 So this is, I'm not trying to act tough.

00:20:01.040 I've never even told these stories.

00:20:02.040 So you were, this is high school.

00:20:04.680 Yeah.

00:20:04.820 I was a, I was a hellion from about 12 to 16.

00:20:09.760 Bookworm to hellion.

00:20:10.960 Yes.

00:20:11.480 Well, the testosterone kicked in.

00:20:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:20:14.020 Um, and then you're, you graduated from high school.

00:20:18.440 Yep.

00:20:18.860 What happened?

00:20:19.400 I went a couple of years, uh, to community college.

00:20:23.120 I had decent grades.

00:20:23.900 I could go to college, but I went and checked out the RTF thing.

00:20:26.140 I kind of wanted to do that.

00:20:27.680 And I went and checked it out and it was just way behind because I was already reading books

00:20:30.880 about it.

00:20:31.820 And I was, I was, I was like, computers are going to be the thing, but we're not, it was

00:20:34.760 like whole courses for a couple of years on the history of radio and Marconi and the

00:20:38.580 Mercury theater and all that's interesting.

00:20:39.840 But, and then all their theories were like 10 year old stuff.

00:20:42.960 So I would put in resumes.

00:20:44.720 They laughed at me.

00:20:45.280 They even played some of my tapes on local radio and said, this guy wants a job.

00:20:47.780 I'll never get one.

00:20:48.640 Right.

00:20:48.860 I did like fake ads and also broadcast.

00:20:51.180 So I went, Hey, access TV.

00:20:52.720 So when I was 20, I went and did access TV instantly got popular.

00:20:56.680 And then I got a call from a guy.

00:20:57.780 What were you doing?

00:20:59.260 I mean, I was talking about the new world order, same stuff.

00:21:02.440 When people find 30 year old tapes, they go, damn, this all happened.

00:21:05.080 Yeah.

00:21:05.260 I mean, now those videos from 25, 26, 27, even they found 30 year old tapes and it's

00:21:09.960 me in a control room.

00:21:10.880 I didn't have a cruise.

00:21:11.500 I'm in the control room and access TV and the clock types down.

00:21:14.580 It's like a soapbox.

00:21:15.280 You're on air.

00:21:16.000 I'm holding up magazines and talking.

00:21:17.720 Even those have been found.

00:21:19.960 And then a guy named his handle was shark man.

00:21:23.240 He'd been national on Z rock back when I was there, but it didn't plow it down to one

00:21:26.600 station in Austin at 98, nine.

00:21:29.060 And they were shifting from that to talk.

00:21:31.680 G word and Liddy, Rush Limbaugh, all that.

00:21:33.620 And he said, Hey, you want a Saturday show?

00:21:34.920 I'll give you one.

00:21:35.720 I won't pay.

00:21:36.280 You just come in.

00:21:37.500 And they'd already been on air a few weeks and nobody was calling their local shows that

00:21:40.660 came on after, you know, those, those, those, uh, Stern and Liddy and all them.

00:21:45.780 And instantly all 10 phone lines light up and he goes, fine.

00:21:48.640 And then I said, can I make money being a salesman?

00:21:51.040 And then they put me on weeknights about a year.

00:21:52.980 And then I found out about satellites and talked to a group in Michigan that could put

00:21:56.460 me up.

00:21:57.000 And then I put it up and I called the stations myself and got on more than 50 stations by the

00:22:01.020 time I was like 23.

00:22:02.860 And then it kind of just, that's what happened.

00:22:04.480 So it was, it was all just trying to, it was all very exciting.

00:22:07.480 And then I said, instead of having a newsletter or coffee mug, you know, to get the word out

00:22:11.440 and make money and expand what I'm doing is I want my own little studios.

00:22:14.100 I said, I'll just make documentary films.

00:22:16.020 And, and so computers were just getting affordable then, but it would take hours to edit one

00:22:20.060 minute.

00:22:20.800 So I was in there shooting on a DV cam.

00:22:23.540 This is like 26 years ago, 27 years ago, but then you'd have to still dump it down to

00:22:27.460 three quarter inch tape.

00:22:28.360 And I'm at the access studio editing it.

00:22:30.580 And so, and then those exploded and, and, and, and brought in a lot of revenue.

00:22:35.960 So I got a little office, hired a few crew.

00:22:37.620 And that's basically what happened by about 1998.

00:22:40.200 I had an office and crew and was doing my own thing and built a little studio and also

00:22:43.320 had one in my house.

00:22:44.120 How did you, where did you get your entrepreneurial spirit and, and expertise to be able to put

00:22:52.620 all this together?

00:22:53.480 I mean, I had jobs from the time I was about 10.

00:22:57.160 I remember I was asking for a new bike and my dad said, you need a job.

00:23:00.060 And I was pretty smart.

00:23:00.940 Well, there's child labor laws.

00:23:01.920 He started laughing so hard.

00:23:02.900 He goes, watch this.

00:23:04.440 And there was a big Marina there in Rockwall by the golf course.

00:23:07.460 And he went and talked to one of the old vets.

00:23:09.400 He might've had a couple of boats there.

00:23:10.840 Said, will you get my son working here?

00:23:12.140 Pay whenever you want?

00:23:12.660 He goes, sure.

00:23:13.740 And because I would do work about a year into the job, they were paying me a lot more.

00:23:16.480 And I was power washing boats and stuff.

00:23:18.920 And I, and so I, and then I, and then he got me a job after school.

00:23:23.480 Um, then the school bus would drop me off at like three 30 at a local veterinary that

00:23:28.120 did small animals by the time I was about, uh, 11.

00:23:31.380 And so I was cleaning out cages and then pretty soon, you know, helping, you know, sedate the

00:23:36.580 dachshund before it gets neutered or spayed.

00:23:38.280 So I kind of had the veterinarian thing there.

00:23:40.500 And then I, I, and I worked in, you know, fast food jobs and all that kind of stuff.

00:23:43.820 And, and I, and I had a lot of entrepreneurs in my family's history.

00:23:47.240 And so I just knew that I was like, why am I going to go to college?

00:23:50.440 You know, which most people know now, I'm not saying it's all bad, but

00:23:53.360 for most jobs, it's kind of a waste, uh, for this job.

00:23:56.440 It absolutely is.

00:23:57.620 Absolutely.

00:23:58.080 So I just, as long as you're an intelligent person and you don't mind reading an awful

00:24:01.500 lot.

00:24:02.480 Exactly.

00:24:02.920 So I was just a long-term figure it out as you go.

00:24:06.720 And, and then I snuck into Bohemian Grove in 2000.

00:24:12.040 Hang on just a second.

00:24:13.120 Before that, you ran for the house of representatives in Texas.

00:24:18.260 Did you not?

00:24:19.420 Only for a week.

00:24:21.720 Only for a week.

00:24:22.740 Yeah.

00:24:22.880 One of my friends said, Hey, it'll be great.

00:24:24.840 You can get up on the soapbox, these debates.

00:24:26.800 And he wanted to be the, like the campaign manager.

00:24:28.980 And as soon as I talked to a lawyer and saw the campaign laws, and then I was not able

00:24:33.620 to do my show all the time.

00:24:34.580 And I was, or I was literally having to go to like coffees with the politicos and have

00:24:40.240 them hand me sheets about my policies.

00:24:42.860 And I knew most of the stuff and I was trying to research it.

00:24:45.080 And I thought, this is, this is the bottom floor.

00:24:47.680 Yeah.

00:24:47.920 I said, I said, no way.

00:24:49.500 I don't want to, I said, I want to affect things in the media.

00:24:53.400 I don't want to try to run for office when I'm 25 years old.

00:24:57.300 Right.

00:24:57.680 So then, so then you went to the Bohemian Grove.

00:25:00.660 Take me from.

00:25:01.480 Well, I mean, I was kind of jumping ahead because it's, I mean, I've already, people

00:25:04.300 didn't never ask me these questions.

00:25:05.520 I never really tell these.

00:25:06.420 I know.

00:25:06.700 I, I honestly don't know how it all started with you.

00:25:10.340 So this, I think this is fascinating.

00:25:12.220 Okay.

00:25:12.480 Well, um, yeah.

00:25:15.080 By like 98, I had the number one show in the time slot at nine.

00:25:17.660 It won the local reader's poll a couple of times.

00:25:19.300 Yeah.

00:25:19.820 And then it's really getting picked up nationally.

00:25:22.300 Jay Leno talked about my show and played some clip and it got picked up in the national

00:25:26.800 news.

00:25:27.160 And I started getting on like hard copy and extra would come to stories about me even

00:25:31.440 asking.

00:25:31.960 And I started getting called and put on flown out to Hollywood every few weeks to be on

00:25:35.980 a conspiracy panel shows and stuff.

00:25:39.420 And the, the management got political pressure on them that own the chain of stations.

00:25:44.800 They were like in Scranton, Ohio.

00:25:46.640 It was Shamrock communications.

00:25:48.440 And they literally flew the general manager down there and he said, listen, you're a good

00:25:52.020 talk show host, but you're going to do, uh, you're going to do like relationships and

00:25:55.940 sports and stuff.

00:25:56.640 And I said to him, I said, listen, I already, I already have a little office and I'm selling

00:26:02.840 films and I, and I've already got a studio.

00:26:04.440 I was already doing a two hour show during the day.

00:26:06.840 And then going up there and driving across town to do a show at night.

00:26:09.180 And they laugh because you're not on radio stations and all this stuff.

00:26:11.740 And I was like 25 years old by then.

00:26:15.120 And I was like, well, yeah, I mean, he goes, no, you're not kids.

00:26:18.120 Don't sit there and lie to me.

00:26:19.520 And I was like, wow, he doesn't know.

00:26:21.060 I hooked a nice ISD in line up here and had permission.

00:26:23.140 And I'm syndicating this show that they did not even know that it had already, the show

00:26:27.000 had already gotten a lot of attention and I wasn't rude to him.

00:26:31.100 I, I, I, I didn't lie, but I said, okay, I just figured, well, these guys are don't

00:26:35.500 know what the time they're going to go back to Ohio.

00:26:37.260 And then they called up two months later and the general manager called me at the local

00:26:40.440 station.

00:26:40.740 You got to stop or they're going to fire you.

00:26:42.680 And I said, I can't stop.

00:26:43.680 Go ahead and fire me.

00:26:44.220 He goes, well, I'm not firing you.

00:26:45.640 I'm going to run the YMCA here in Austin's great guy named Mark Easter.

00:26:48.540 He said, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm leaving.

00:26:50.200 He goes, because he was all about freedom of speech.

00:26:51.880 And a few months later they fired me and I was like, this is the best thing ever was

00:26:56.020 all over the national news.

00:26:57.220 And it was cause they thought the left's like, we got this guy.

00:27:00.560 And I wasn't even really super right wing, more libertarian, but I didn't like the Clintons

00:27:04.120 and stuff.

00:27:05.400 I was talking about them a lot on air and actually getting some and having some big guests on.

00:27:09.260 And so boom, all of a sudden I got a whole bunch more radio stations out of that suddenly

00:27:14.400 cause I'd sent flyers out and call them and they were, and I'd done ads and what was that

00:27:19.600 radio flyer, whatever it was.

00:27:20.900 R and R.

00:27:22.120 Yeah.

00:27:22.280 You can put ads like I'm a guest.

00:27:23.620 Well, I did that as a talk show host and said, also pick up my show.

00:27:27.420 And so I was doing more, I was doing a four or five interviews a day cause sometimes 20

00:27:31.220 if I wanted them.

00:27:32.420 And, and I was going on a lot of the late night shows and things.

00:27:34.680 So, um, boom, as soon as I got fired, then all of a sudden some big stations picked me up.

00:27:41.140 So did you see yourself more as an art bell or a serious kind of journalist?

00:27:48.540 I didn't cover the UFO thing very much because I couldn't prove it.

00:27:51.780 Yeah.

00:27:52.160 And so I didn't really think of myself as a journalist.

00:27:54.800 I thought, uh, here's a UN report.

00:27:58.800 Cause I'd go to the library all the time.

00:28:00.160 Back then you couldn't get them online.

00:28:01.340 I go to the UT library library and the librarians loved it.

00:28:05.120 Cause I wanted stuff that was in the stacks.

00:28:06.240 I'd say, I hear this is here.

00:28:07.180 They'd go back and they'd come back in a week and give me all this stuff because they

00:28:10.060 love that.

00:28:11.160 And I would be on radio.

00:28:12.560 That's why I was sort of doing a website to make a documentary because I can actually

00:28:15.540 show people, uh, you know, like, Oh, you don't believe there's UN signs of the parks.

00:28:19.260 You don't believe there's a treaty signing it over as collateral, which they now admit.

00:28:23.360 And a lot of countries sign their national parks over to Pfizer as collateral.

00:28:26.900 If the vaccine hurts people.

00:28:28.160 I mean, Brazil was in a fight over that.

00:28:30.020 I mean, and I was just exposing all this wild stuff.

00:28:33.120 And to me, I was reading books written by Henry Kissinger going and getting them and

00:28:39.020 reading it on air.

00:28:39.860 Like, like you do with a chalkboard and, you know, with all the graphics.

00:28:43.140 And so I, I didn't even see it as like, I'm, I've got credentials.

00:28:47.040 I'm like, no, you're just somebody discovering it.

00:28:49.800 Exactly.

00:28:50.340 It's like you wake up at 2am to the dogs barking and the neighbor's house is on fire.

00:28:55.820 You're not a, you're not a firefighter.

00:28:57.800 You're not an arson specialist.

00:28:58.940 You call 911 and you go knock on your door to make sure your neighbors are okay.

00:29:02.420 There's a, there's fire shooting out.

00:29:03.640 I didn't like, so I was more of an alarmist.

00:29:07.480 I mean, I would say kind of a Paul Revere type in, I don't know exactly what's going

00:29:11.020 on here, but look at this.

00:29:13.400 And then I, then I would go down when they were trying to pass a law to ban semi-autos

00:29:17.180 at the legislature.

00:29:17.920 And I'd have a little video camera and I'd have one crew member with me.

00:29:23.060 And we would literally, we caught this on tape.

00:29:25.500 The NRA picked it up.

00:29:26.220 It was huge in the late nineties, stuff like this is an example.

00:29:28.280 And there's literally the gun control advocate going 100, 200, 300, 400 to the guys that

00:29:36.000 had just testified.

00:29:37.180 I'd just been in there.

00:29:38.140 He was a white guy.

00:29:38.860 They were young black guys who were paid.

00:29:41.080 We later learned weren't thugs.

00:29:42.240 Like they said, weren't criminals to get up and say, I'm a criminal, you know, ban the

00:29:46.120 guns because I'm dangerous.

00:29:47.500 They were exploiting these black guys.

00:29:49.140 It hits the news everywhere.

00:29:51.040 And then they go, Jones is racist, making black people look bad.

00:29:53.700 So I started learning about, you know, how that worked.

00:29:56.320 And so really it was basically everything.

00:30:00.380 I mean, I would go out and protest the KKK because I knew that they were just trying to

00:30:04.600 create division.

00:30:05.440 I'd also had articles that a lot of leftist foundations were involved in the past funding

00:30:09.680 them.

00:30:10.980 And, and, and so that would blow up.

00:30:13.540 And so it was like an alarmist, someone trying to warn people, but a little bit of stunts like

00:30:20.400 Howard Stern, um, because I love to get the attention for the show.

00:30:24.380 Right.

00:30:24.900 Um, and, and so I wasn't even trying to define, I wasn't sitting around thinking I'd see something

00:30:30.580 on local news or read something in the paper or see something online where I was getting

00:30:33.820 email tips by then, by the late nineties.

00:30:35.520 And I would just say, I'm going to go do this.

00:30:37.320 And then people say, Oh, they have this big statue and do this ritual at Bohemian Grove.

00:30:41.000 And I'm like, I don't believe that.

00:30:42.900 And, and, and well, so people, Lister sent me old magazine articles and stuff where CBS

00:30:48.300 reporter arrested and all that.

00:30:50.600 And so I, that's a whole nother interesting story.

00:30:53.720 John, John, John Ronston, right?

00:30:56.000 Yes.

00:30:56.360 He went with you.

00:30:57.580 Yes.

00:30:58.100 Um, as I was talking to him, probably 2004 or five about a book that he had written them.

00:31:05.380 Yeah.

00:31:06.600 And, uh, he said, you know, I don't, I don't know what your relationship is with him, but

00:31:11.500 he said, you know, there's a lot of stuff.

00:31:12.780 I don't agree with Alex Jones, but I went with him.

00:31:14.760 He said, I saw it and he said, I thought Alex was crazy.

00:31:20.660 Uh, he said, but I saw it.

00:31:22.280 What did you see and how did you get in?

00:31:25.520 Okay.

00:31:26.020 It's a 2,700 acre redwood grove in the most beautiful place in America, Sonoma County.

00:31:31.760 Uh, it's about, you know, 15 miles West of Santa Rosa and it's on the Russian river.

00:31:38.640 And it's just, it's a huge uncut redwood grove, just as big as the ones you see in the

00:31:43.280 national parks.

00:31:43.840 Wow.

00:31:44.440 So it's a gorge with redwood trees and one entrance and the other end exit isn't an entrance

00:31:49.800 or exit.

00:31:50.200 It's, it's just a cliff side over the Russian river and they've got over a hundred camps

00:31:54.960 in it.

00:31:56.380 Some are big and nice, depending on how elite you are.

00:31:59.160 They like the chalet where world leaders and royalty go up on the hill.

00:32:02.080 And then, but they're all basically log cabins and open bars.

00:32:05.120 And really it's a big art thing.

00:32:06.820 Uh, at the time I went with the sensational stuff of the occultic stuff in the ritual that

00:32:12.040 they do on the middle of July every year on, on, I guess called Midsummer's Eve or whatever.

00:32:17.440 And, and that's what blew up with the evangelical Christians and stuff.

00:32:20.160 And I am a Christian and, and definitely it's a cultic and there's vibes of that everywhere.

00:32:23.320 But really Mark Twain founded it, uh, in the 1880s, 1870s.

00:32:28.120 And then president Taft started going there by railroad and then the Republican establishment

00:32:32.700 took it over.

00:32:33.420 And so there was kind of a Germanic druidic, uh, spinoff of skull and bones that kind of

00:32:39.320 took it over through the Republicans and skull and bones members.

00:32:41.880 And so it kind of has that seal on it of the skull and bones, Germanic mystery school,

00:32:47.920 hyper Masonic, super secret inner, inner Masonic stuff.

00:32:51.760 But really it's a thousand members and a thousand guests.

00:32:54.660 And when I was there, I mean, I, I saw Danny Glover from a distance.

00:33:00.060 I saw Clint Eastwood and I didn't run up cause you, there's security everywhere.

00:33:04.160 And I only snuck in, I snuck in during the day, went around the security in the woods.

00:33:09.500 They beef it up a lot now, but people get in easily.

00:33:13.080 Not now it's really beefed up, but they always catch you.

00:33:15.440 Cause people, reporters, there's been hundreds of articles.

00:33:18.680 They always walk up, start asking questions and, and, and they go, well, who are you with?

00:33:22.340 What are you doing?

00:33:22.840 I didn't do that.

00:33:23.520 I snuck in, uh, tried to just go, you know, sit out in one, one of the outside areas and

00:33:29.720 not be noticed.

00:33:31.120 Um, and Ronson thought it was a joke, but he had an insider that was a member and he

00:33:43.120 was, and so Ronson snuck in after he saw me get in, he went in with the member that

00:33:50.860 had all the code words and all the stuff as a guest, but not as an official guest.

00:33:54.960 And then Ronson had me sign a contract, but later he talked about it.

00:33:57.380 So I can, he said, we, for liability, can't shoot the footage.

00:34:00.520 And we've seen you shoot some hidden footage and a little DV can and a fanny pack.

00:34:04.240 They didn't have little tiny cameras back then, as you know, for kids out there.

00:34:08.020 Um, but I had to climb up on the edge of a redwood, you know, not root and kind of get

00:34:12.860 above the people and shoot.

00:34:14.840 That's why it's all canted and the cameras falling over and things, uh, but it's still

00:34:19.120 dramatic footage.

00:34:19.920 And, and, and so I got in, um, tried to keep to myself, uh, had sheriff's deputies and

00:34:26.980 secret service twice while I was just sitting over and overlook and, and, and over in the

00:34:31.880 woods, just at a table, you know, I even brought a book with me.

00:34:34.820 So it looked like I was just hanging out or like, who are you with?

00:34:36.780 What's going on?

00:34:37.260 And I'm like, and I had enough of the inside stuff that I'd read in some of the literature.

00:34:41.020 I said, I'm with the hillbillies because that's a Texas style camp where the bushes go.

00:34:44.600 They said, really?

00:34:45.180 Okay.

00:34:45.440 Well, who are you here with?

00:34:46.200 And I said, I'm, I'm here with Ron.

00:34:47.260 Yeah.

00:34:47.400 And they go, okay.

00:34:48.260 And the secret service came over and questioned me another time.

00:34:50.280 And I said, that's it.

00:34:51.060 I've been questioned twice.

00:34:52.400 So I came down off the, cause it takes, you know, it's, it's a couple of miles down.

00:34:57.880 I came off the overlook with the secret service questioned me over the Russian river and I got into

00:35:03.400 the woods, got to the first camp and nobody was there.

00:35:06.420 And I climbed up underneath the, um, the log cabin deck.

00:35:10.760 And there were like literally centipedes and spiders.

00:35:12.600 It was, it was, it was like Indiana Jones, Temple of Doom, but not as bad, but it was

00:35:16.660 quite a few.

00:35:17.780 And that's, cause that's where they are.

00:35:18.940 They're under the, under the house.

00:35:20.640 And so I wait till the light starts going down and I had my map and I'd only gotten in some

00:35:27.380 and then gone trying to get it.

00:35:29.260 Cause most of the camps are up at the, up at the start and up the hill.

00:35:32.280 I'd gotten away from civilization waiting for nighttime cause I was in there about four or

00:35:35.660 five hours, four and a half hours.

00:35:37.620 I hang out a few hours underneath the, uh, log cabin.

00:35:41.760 And again, people say, well, why is there not footage of that?

00:35:43.480 It was little hour tapes.

00:35:44.500 I'm having to start it and stop it.

00:35:45.560 So I got myself going in, walking down there, got the overlook tape stops.

00:35:49.720 Uh, I know there's cameras, which I later saw in the later bit.

00:35:52.580 So I don't reload it there.

00:35:54.020 I just act really calm.

00:35:55.100 I'm kind of hitting the button on and off.

00:35:56.280 I go down, find the first camp, climb under it, reload it, get it ready, get it set.

00:36:01.760 Um, have like a handkerchief inside, hanging over the front of the lens.

00:36:04.500 There's a whole cut in the fanny pack, those little TV cams and it's getting dark.

00:36:09.540 Okay.

00:36:09.640 Okay.

00:36:09.820 I think I can blend in.

00:36:10.720 And so it's twilight.

00:36:12.980 I've got the map.

00:36:13.980 It's this side road right here.

00:36:15.740 I start walking.

00:36:17.220 People start to come out of camps.

00:36:18.500 They're walking and oh my gosh, there's the pond.

00:36:22.480 And there's the owl, the little lake and there's bats flying around us and it's twilight, but

00:36:27.280 people are talking to each other.

00:36:28.440 They're looking.

00:36:28.960 I see Danny Glover.

00:36:29.860 I'm walking.

00:36:30.320 There's all these big crowds of men coming in hundreds and hundreds.

00:36:33.040 And I say, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to go through them and hide somewhere until

00:36:35.820 it gets dark.

00:36:36.560 They're going to question me.

00:36:37.440 People are looking, Hey, because they all kind of know each other.

00:36:41.000 I go up the hill and then down here are the biggest redwoods.

00:36:44.240 Once you can drive cars through, you know, the ones that, and there's all these tables

00:36:48.020 and there's still people eating and they're playing hall of the mountain King.

00:36:52.080 And I look, there's a symphony playing and it's just twilight, the light coming through

00:36:57.960 and bats and frogs chirping.

00:36:59.740 I'm like, this is a bad-ass party.

00:37:01.480 And so I kind of walk up the hill.

00:37:05.000 There was a whole kind of gay vibe going on too.

00:37:07.520 I had some, some of the greens keepers, they go, Hey baby.

00:37:11.920 And like, you know, whistle at me.

00:37:13.080 That went on a few times back then.

00:37:15.040 I was pretty good looking and, and, and so I go, okay, it's getting dark.

00:37:18.480 So I come back down the hill.

00:37:19.600 Now almost everybody is flooding, is flooding out from eating their dinner down these big

00:37:24.060 picnic tables that I was going up the hill, looking down on.

00:37:27.320 They're coming out and going down to the owl.

00:37:31.220 I go around them, wait till they're there, get up behind the crowd, but there's men standing

00:37:35.680 in front of me.

00:37:36.000 So I kind of climb up on the edge of one of the roots and shoot the video.

00:37:39.980 And it was about an hour, an hour long.

00:37:42.600 So we got it on the tape because I, uh, so I got shots of the people, I've shots, all

00:37:47.200 this, you know, down there while the music's playing, I've got, then I've got the shot

00:37:50.380 of the ritual and then I'm sitting there going, okay, it's an owl.

00:37:53.200 This is more theater, but the occult is what theater comes from TV and everything is, is

00:37:58.200 anything occult for those that don't know is just pre-Christ or, you know, pre-Christianity

00:38:02.460 is just means hidden because the mystery schools are hidden.

00:38:04.540 And, and so, uh, they, they mixed in Babylonian, Druidic, uh, Canaanite, uh, Faustian stuff

00:38:12.860 in the hour.

00:38:14.160 Uh, they bring out a hearse, uh, that's horse drawn with, with the effigy of a child.

00:38:18.880 Uh, they, then they call the goddess to come and they call these other gods to come.

00:38:22.780 So it's kind of an amalgamation, like the Bible says of all these religions.

00:38:26.620 Uh, they then put the child there on the effigy.

00:38:29.780 Uh, then, but back then I'd later learned that cause I got some of their annals, these guys

00:38:33.840 would die and their widows would mail me annals.

00:38:36.040 And then once people even know they had annals, then they shot up in the market.

00:38:39.080 And then when people were selling them on eBay for $5,000 a piece, what are the annals?

00:38:42.140 Uh, every 10 years, they put a big thick book out of the annals of Bohemian Grove.

00:38:46.560 So as I got those annals later, I'm kind of skipping ahead.

00:38:49.060 I learned, oh, that was Walter Cronkite that was doing the voice of the owl.

00:38:52.640 So they're inside the owl and it's got slits they can look out of with a sound control.

00:38:57.580 And you've got like famous actors and people doing the voices.

00:39:00.100 So that, that's very interesting and I'm not saying they're all devil worshippers even

00:39:03.740 bad.

00:39:04.120 It's just, it's like, it's, it's more of a crazy art festival, but there is a cultic

00:39:08.580 thing to it.

00:39:09.220 I wrote a book, uh, called the eye of Moloch and in it, I posited a theory and I have no

00:39:16.360 idea if it's true or not, but I posited a theory that most of the people are going and they're

00:39:22.300 just having a good time.

00:39:23.400 They have no idea, but this is, there are some that understand what is being done and

00:39:30.760 that it is an actual ancient ritual, but people are doing it for the most part because they

00:39:37.020 think it's fun.

00:39:37.920 Would you agree with that or not?

00:39:39.560 Well, that's why you're going back.

00:39:41.100 I'm up here speeding through trying to just give you all the intel.

00:39:43.560 You're really good at summing it all up there.

00:39:46.020 No, that's exactly what it is.

00:39:47.260 And that's the nature of the occult or secret societies or intelligence agencies is there's

00:39:51.460 the inner group that knows that's exactly what I was going to say earlier is they're

00:39:55.360 just recruiting really cool, interesting musicians and people, even, you know, Kid Rock talked

00:40:00.220 about being there and they're like, Hey kid, you're here to play music for us.

00:40:04.120 And that's exactly how it is.

00:40:06.340 So they're, they're getting an eye on people for two weeks and they have other club times

00:40:11.060 they go, but it's that two weeks, the second half of July to kind of examine the produce

00:40:15.740 and see who they could promote, who they could use.

00:40:18.140 And absolutely I've had occult experts look at it.

00:40:20.780 I've read your book.

00:40:21.540 I've read other books.

00:40:22.340 And, and definitely I was sitting there in the crowd thinking, you know, they're not

00:40:27.520 taking this really seriously as it was starting.

00:40:29.120 I said, this is just fun because I hadn't seen the whole ritual yet.

00:40:31.740 And I had that time to go back and look what they were actually saying.

00:40:34.220 But there were a lot of the men in the crowd when the light was on their faces, the torches

00:40:38.100 right by me going.

00:40:42.140 And one time I said, that's really neat.

00:40:44.300 And it's a very important ritual and you can actually bury it on the tape here.

00:40:48.380 It's a very important ritual.

00:40:49.760 And this is some billionaire, you know, you could tell.

00:40:51.540 And I was recognizing a lot of them, but you know, I know that guy, I know that guy, but

00:40:55.140 you couldn't place them.

00:40:56.460 And some of these really rich, powerful people and they were, and I saw, I was looking around

00:41:00.080 in the light because I'm there at the back, there's a few behind me and in front of me

00:41:04.040 and I'm looking at their faces.

00:41:04.880 And I'm like, whoa, this is like, I'm at church, but this is like, I've been at all.

00:41:10.080 So what is the ritual that they do?

00:41:12.360 What is the meaning behind it?

00:41:15.460 It's basically the oldest story that he was doing over and over again.

00:41:20.520 I mean, you have in the time of Abraham, God saying, go get me a ram and sacrifice it.

00:41:25.080 Cause that was food.

00:41:25.720 That was meat.

00:41:26.260 That was a big deal to give this up.

00:41:28.100 And then to say, God's number one.

00:41:29.600 And then God says, give me your son actually to see if you'll go all the way and the angel

00:41:34.300 stops him.

00:41:35.580 And if you look at every culture in society, that that's, that, that that's basically where

00:41:39.580 sacrifice comes from.

00:41:41.600 So this is more of what they did in, in ancient England and in Europe with the sin eaters,

00:41:47.020 where a person had died and they would put a piece of bread on their stomach and they

00:41:52.880 would have someone come in that would eat it, who was willing to take their sin.

00:41:56.160 So instead of Christ taking on our sins, they're going to take their sin.

00:41:59.800 As the ultimate sacrifice, they put the sins on the effigy of a child and then it begs

00:42:06.000 for its life.

00:42:07.100 And they say, no, for the next year, our cares are gone.

00:42:11.100 All of our problems are put on this.

00:42:13.280 And then these men that are taking it serious.

00:42:15.360 Some people are like, interesting.

00:42:16.520 Those are the guests, the members that are serious.

00:42:19.000 And I'd say it was about a third of them just from the group I was looking at, because

00:42:21.420 it would light up quite a bit.

00:42:22.160 I could see their faces and I'm not looking into the camera.

00:42:24.220 I'm looking at them.

00:42:24.880 And they were trying to transmute their problems onto this ritual to have, you reap what you

00:42:34.120 sow or karma, however they see it, pass over them and be put into this effigy that they

00:42:40.500 then burn.

00:42:40.900 And it was, it was very hardcore.

00:42:43.980 So, and then, but again, after I saw that, I brought us some theologians, but also mainline

00:42:49.560 historians.

00:42:50.020 And they basically all said the same thing.

00:42:51.800 They said, this is going back to 4,000 years ago in Egypt and walking right through all

00:42:57.660 these different Molech, all these different gods.

00:43:00.360 And then it ends with, with Druids in Europe and then Faust, which is Dr. Faust, reportedly

00:43:07.280 a fictional thing, but it's a story of, can he at the end escape the devil?

00:43:11.700 And, and, and, and of course he really could have, but he didn't know he could.

00:43:14.660 And so they're saying, no, we do know, and we are Faust and we're beating the devil.

00:43:18.040 So it was a very sophisticated, very dark, beyond black magic.

00:43:23.220 Cause they're not, it's an effigy, but, but, but they're not like trying to hurt somebody

00:43:27.500 with this energy they've built.

00:43:28.700 If you believe in that they're, they're trying to put it of the bad things they've already

00:43:32.360 done into this interdimensional cauldron, basically, and then send it to another plane.

00:43:39.140 That's how I would describe it.

00:43:42.840 What is their goal?

00:43:44.280 Are they, I mean, are these like, you look at the WEF people say, well, that is just, you

00:43:51.420 know, those are just people going up to ski and they have no real power.

00:43:54.820 We can now see the results of their work with, you know, the great reset and everything else.

00:44:01.480 Those things are now implemented.

00:44:03.460 So that con of, they don't have any power is, is over.

00:44:08.120 What are these people trying to do?

00:44:10.480 Well, I think you hit the nail on the head.

00:44:11.800 I remember the New York times in 2012, I'm in Chantilly, Virginia, covering Bilderberg.

00:44:17.500 This is big conference center, golf course, shut down.

00:44:20.080 There's helicopters, there's Marines, there's secret service everywhere.

00:44:23.740 Guys talking to their submachine guns.

00:44:25.700 We have it all on tape, put films out and you were covering it some of the time and Drudge

00:44:30.140 was, and that was it.

00:44:31.280 And they would have an article saying we were making it up, up until that point.

00:44:34.920 And they had a New York times article that Jones was basically having hallucination that

00:44:38.800 he was in the woods in Virginia, that there was a global meeting of elites.

00:44:41.280 So back then it didn't exist.

00:44:42.760 Then because of you covering it and I'm giving credit, you covered it.

00:44:46.440 And so did Drudge.

00:44:48.440 All of a sudden they went, okay, it's there, but it's no big deal.

00:44:51.240 They started then putting the list out of their agenda and the members, but not the guest.

00:44:55.920 And so that's the political arm at the top of the pyramid.

00:44:59.440 And you have the heads of the CFR, the heads of the Tribunal Commission, the head of the

00:45:03.560 EU, the head of the UK.

00:45:05.560 I was there once, the King of Spain, because I stayed in the building after it was supposedly

00:45:08.720 shut and they threw me out.

00:45:09.840 And they go, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.

00:45:11.200 And here comes the King of Spain walking in the front as I'm going out.

00:45:14.460 I mean, just wild stuff.

00:45:16.300 And I got footage of David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, helicopters landing.

00:45:20.100 Not just there.

00:45:20.720 I covered it in Europe.

00:45:21.820 I covered it in England.

00:45:22.680 I covered it in Canada.

00:45:23.580 I covered it in Istanbul.

00:45:26.000 Turkey.

00:45:26.320 I covered it in Chantilly twice.

00:45:29.020 And the heads of all the other big global management corporate systems, the Trilateral

00:45:35.780 Commission, CFR, they're all there.

00:45:38.700 And if you look at the hundred members, it's the heads of all the major top 100 corporations,

00:45:43.820 the heads of the boards.

00:45:44.820 And then you learn most of them are going to Bohemian Grove.

00:45:47.340 And then Helmut, it was Helmut Schmidt, I think before him, when it was still West

00:45:56.720 Germany, but Helmut Kohl after him.

00:45:59.720 In fact, my producers over there, this is a memory.

00:46:02.300 I don't want to get this wrong.

00:46:05.560 Look up Helmut Schmidt, a German chancellor.

00:46:07.900 But yeah, he wrote a book that I have a copy of that you can't even find.

00:46:11.740 Men and Power is a Political Retrospective.

00:46:15.960 And in the book, he says, we have our own, I don't get the chancellor's name wrong, but

00:46:19.920 it wasn't Cole.

00:46:21.020 He goes, we have our own groves, we have our own druidic rituals, and we love them, but

00:46:26.480 the Bohemian Grove is the best.

00:46:28.160 So it's a real, it was, Skull and Bones presidents went and made it a Skull and Bones hangout.

00:46:35.960 So if you wonder what Skull and Bones do once they leave Yale, this is their playhouse.

00:46:42.860 And so it's really an extension of Skull and Bones.

00:46:45.400 And so whether, you know, whereas you see Hollywood and people, they're into different types of

00:46:50.020 occult, flat out Satanism or mysticism or Kabbalah or stuff like that.

00:46:55.160 When you get into the Republican leadership, at least in old Skull and Bones, they go to

00:47:04.000 church.

00:47:04.380 I'm not saying that they might be Christians.

00:47:06.360 I don't know.

00:47:06.840 But when they're not at their day job, they are very serious death cult members.

00:47:14.840 I mean, that's what they call the order of death.

00:47:16.480 And then you see the Nazis wearing the same thing.

00:47:18.820 There's something to it.

00:47:19.660 I think we're experiencing a death cult now.

00:47:23.940 I mean, I think it's Malthusian at its nicest.

00:47:28.580 It's an absolute death cult that we're dealing with now.

00:47:32.180 I mean, the love of blood from abortion to gender mutilation to war, it is, it's remarkable

00:47:45.420 how this cult is just all about death.

00:47:51.300 They believe from their own writings and statements, people that I know are into this occult organization,

00:47:56.600 but in their public statements that they are the alpha apex predator.

00:48:00.820 And that just like if you're in a city that borders woods and you don't have any coyotes or

00:48:08.200 wolves or mountain lions anymore, the deer overpopulated, they fall apart.

00:48:13.240 They see it as they're the wolves doing us a favor, culling the sheep.

00:48:18.520 And that it's their job through social Darwinism that, as you said, comes out of Malthus.

00:48:24.480 And Malthus just said, starve the poor, give them diseases, crowd them all together.

00:48:28.580 Societal collapse within 100 years.

00:48:29.880 He was wrong.

00:48:30.900 You're right.

00:48:31.380 He was nice compared to them who directly dumb you down and poison you and want to get rid of you.

00:48:35.540 And when you actually study this deeper, they believe they're doing us a favor.

00:48:40.120 But when you look at their affect and their own families, their behavior, they're really

00:48:44.100 sinister, greedy, hateful people who pretend like they're filling this niche, this need

00:48:50.860 of the social Darwinism.

00:48:52.780 People that don't know what that is, obviously, the robber barons in the 1880s, 90s and into

00:48:58.080 the trust busting had articles written and books written about, hey, it's good that we're

00:49:02.600 enslaving and cheating and forcing other companies to shut down and monopolies because that's just

00:49:07.080 the way it is.

00:49:07.720 Might makes right.

00:49:08.420 And so now they've had to hide it because of the kind of classical liberalism that was

00:49:14.440 against that.

00:49:15.220 They then became liberalism so they can wrap themselves in that when they truly are the

00:49:20.320 death cult.

00:49:21.560 If you had to use anything close to it, it's a high tech Nazi type operation wrapped in

00:49:27.180 a liberal package.

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00:51:00.740 So, right after the Bohemian Grove is when you really start to take off, and that is after

00:51:11.220 9-11.

00:51:11.940 That's when people really, I think, start to know your name.

00:51:15.340 Would you agree with that?

00:51:16.040 Yes.

00:51:16.480 Yeah.

00:51:17.380 And good or ill, you are the original truther, aren't you?

00:51:25.140 Yes.

00:51:25.580 I mean, look, I'd seen Operation Northwoods that was declassified about two years before

00:51:30.240 9-11.

00:51:31.640 ABC News, U.S. government planned to hijack jets, bomb buildings, mass shootings as a

00:51:35.480 pretext to invade Cuba and war with Soviet Union.

00:51:38.380 And I knew that Kennedy killed the plan and fired L.L.

00:51:40.500 Levenster and Curtis LeMay on the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

00:51:43.580 And I knew that Operation Ajax should overthrow Mosaddegh in 53 had been staged.

00:51:48.600 That was declassified.

00:51:49.720 Kermit Roosevelt did that.

00:51:51.060 I knew that our ships were not attacked in the Gulf of Tonkin in 64, and literally hundreds

00:51:55.720 of other examples.

00:51:56.280 It's pretty much established that in 1898, William McKinley's Navy and the sea in the

00:52:02.640 Maine and Havana Harbor to get us in the Spanish-American War, that our government blew that up.

00:52:08.340 That didn't mean I don't think there's radical Islam and that it's a serious threat and that

00:52:11.260 it wasn't involved in some levels.

00:52:13.080 So the media misrepresented a lot of what I said.

00:52:16.700 But I was saying before they blew up the towers that I thought they were going to blow them

00:52:20.680 up because the feds had, and I interviewed Ahmad Salam, who was an Egyptian security asset

00:52:27.220 and working for the FBI.

00:52:29.440 And the Muslims were going to bomb the World Trade Center the first time, what, in 92.

00:52:35.480 And he recorded the feds saying, you know, make a real bomb and go ahead and basically let

00:52:39.660 it happen.

00:52:40.440 So I interviewed him.

00:52:41.300 So I was already really on this in Oklahoma City, and I interviewed the witnesses and

00:52:45.100 the police and what really happened, the bombs they found were unexploded in the building

00:52:48.720 and all the eyewitnesses.

00:52:50.120 So I was already, you know, really dialed up on that.

00:52:53.440 So the morning it happened, back then, stuff wasn't archived on the web.

00:52:57.720 I was at my home studio.

00:52:59.220 I had my other small studio, and we had like VHS machines and DVD burners and a DV cam hooked

00:53:04.860 to TV.

00:53:05.460 We could record TV that way.

00:53:06.640 But I was on the air that day.

00:53:10.020 I just went on, not just my own show, but did all the other shows, a little network I

00:53:13.300 was on.

00:53:14.420 From the time it happened, I mean, I ran out the shower, I had eight breakfasts and took

00:53:18.840 a shower, and then heard it was happening, ran in, turned it on, started covering it

00:53:22.260 with the TV on while it happened.

00:53:25.220 And then we saw the buildings collapse the way they did.

00:53:29.080 We saw the reports.

00:53:30.800 And for me, I said, it looked like bombs.

00:53:32.720 I said, this could be an inside job.

00:53:34.380 And then about a mile away, there was a pizza place, and I've been on air until 430, and

00:53:39.380 I was going to come back on in a few hours, on my own nighttime show I did.

00:53:42.880 And I told my wife at the time, I said, I'm going to go get a pizza.

00:53:48.500 You want anything?

00:53:48.880 She says, no.

00:53:49.820 So I drive, and I listen to CBS radio, back when they had CBS News, live coverage on 590

00:53:56.380 in Austin.

00:53:57.960 And I pull up, get the pizza, and I'm driving back.

00:54:01.020 They go, all right, Building 7, the Solomon Brothers building, could damage other buildings.

00:54:04.120 They've decided to control demolition.

00:54:05.540 They're going to bring it down.

00:54:06.560 If anybody goes, finds the archive, you'll find that.

00:54:08.140 And we have other news saying it.

00:54:10.220 So I'm going, okay.

00:54:11.700 They're going to bring it down the building.

00:54:12.520 That takes time.

00:54:13.920 So I'm eating a pizza in the car, listening to this.

00:54:15.960 I've got to get back on here.

00:54:16.960 So I run in there, and I say, they're saying on CBS, they're getting ready to blow up this

00:54:20.780 building.

00:54:21.180 So I start taking callers.

00:54:22.080 And they go, yeah.

00:54:22.640 I heard that on NPR just now.

00:54:25.320 But back then, stuff didn't get archived, so you just heard it once.

00:54:28.960 Just like they had a Lone Gunman episode that aired in March, a spinoff of X-Files, where

00:54:32.960 the government hijacks a jet to flatten the World Trade Center as a pretext to invade

00:54:35.980 Afghanistan.

00:54:36.720 But they stop it.

00:54:38.020 I didn't even know about that show, because I didn't really watch entertainment much.

00:54:40.860 And even like Variety wrote a year later, why did anybody notice that there was a show

00:54:45.760 with Chris Carter?

00:54:46.420 Then I talked to Chris Carter and his people.

00:54:50.200 Years later, they go, no, the CIA came to us and told us to make that.

00:54:54.040 Ask Chris Carter.

00:54:55.000 Strike me out of the mind.

00:54:56.660 And then I had X-Files actors on the show talking about it.

00:55:02.380 People can pull that up.

00:55:03.400 I'm not making this up.

00:55:05.100 So if I have to say one thing, it's things like Building 7.

00:55:07.960 And then I interviewed Barry Jennings, and then he died two weeks later, the deputy of

00:55:11.300 emergency management.

00:55:12.340 And he said they told him that they'd blown it up, and he had to get out, and that bombs

00:55:16.160 were going to destroy it.

00:55:17.280 And then I interviewed cops that I saw on PBS saying, get back.

00:55:20.380 They're going to bring that down.

00:55:21.300 I went to New York a bunch, actually found the officers on tape.

00:55:23.920 And they said, yeah, it was on the Red Cross channel.

00:55:26.680 I'm not saying the Red Cross is bad, folks, but it's the oldest intelligence agency there

00:55:29.060 is.

00:55:29.480 Whoever was doing it was using the Red Cross channel.

00:55:32.220 And they could get back, get back.

00:55:33.480 And they heard the countdown in their earpiece.

00:55:35.460 And then Building 7, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, falls.

00:55:38.360 And then you've got BBC, CNN, and a bunch of others.

00:55:41.840 This footage is all out there for your viewers saying, anybody on X, when this clip gets

00:55:45.580 posted, they'll post it all under.

00:55:46.580 That's what's great about it.

00:55:47.160 I don't have to do the work anymore.

00:55:47.740 I just say, remember this clip?

00:55:48.820 It's all right there.

00:55:50.620 And I didn't see this until years later, because I wasn't watching all the channels.

00:55:54.040 Three years after 9-11, NBC, CNN, BBC, they all decided, I'm not saying they all are the

00:56:00.360 same group, but they get coordinated.

00:56:02.720 Archives have gotten cheaper.

00:56:03.840 They go, we're all going to archive 9-11.

00:56:06.080 Well, nobody thought to not have that.

00:56:07.920 So I hadn't seen the BBC on two channels and Aaron Brown on CNN and all these others going,

00:56:16.160 that building has been destroyed.

00:56:19.020 It fell in its own footprint.

00:56:20.500 And they're going, well, it's still there.

00:56:24.340 So they gave them the order, said it was about to come down in its own footprint.

00:56:28.560 First, they said they're going to blow it up.

00:56:29.700 And they go, no, no, people talk about that.

00:56:31.420 No, no, no, it's going to fall in its own footprint.

00:56:32.660 On three channels, they get it early, they jump the gun, and it hasn't fallen, and then

00:56:38.720 it falls 27 minutes later.

00:56:40.460 And that reminds me of JFK, the movie, that's really, I think, very accurate.

00:56:44.940 They had already put Oswald's picture out, had it ready, and they published it in foreign

00:56:49.980 newspapers in Asia right around the time, minutes after Kennedy shot.

00:56:53.760 No one had gotten him for hours, Lee Harvey Oswald, coming out of the theater.

00:56:57.800 So it was kind of like that.

00:56:59.100 They jumped the gun.

00:56:59.920 Now, you look at that.

00:57:01.000 I'm not saying there weren't Muslims.

00:57:02.260 I'm not saying they don't want to kill us.

00:57:03.460 I'm not saying we shouldn't be shipping them all in here.

00:57:04.960 My God, I'm totally, people are like, you don't care about that?

00:57:08.600 You're un-American.

00:57:09.260 No, I'm saying you can sit here with your crew, Glenn, and you can go over everything

00:57:14.120 I just said, and we've got the newscast of all that, and it's there, and it is incredible.

00:57:20.640 And so just Building 7, and then we've got the raw footage of the Pentagon, and there's

00:57:28.320 nothing, and there's three rings blown straight through, and the witnesses said they saw

00:57:31.780 a missile going to it.

00:57:32.980 I don't know what happened.

00:57:35.840 I know somebody that was there and saw the plane.

00:57:39.600 I believe them then.

00:57:40.280 I believe them.

00:57:41.320 What'd they say they saw?

00:57:42.600 The plane.

00:57:43.480 They were in a meeting.

00:57:47.100 They walked out.

00:57:48.600 They have horrible burns from it.

00:57:50.340 They walked out of their office.

00:57:52.120 They went to the bathroom, which was just passed, and everything went through their office, and

00:57:59.240 when they came out, they heard they came out, and there it was, burning.

00:58:03.760 Really?

00:58:04.340 Yeah.

00:58:04.460 I like, there's no footage of that, though.

00:58:08.440 I don't know.

00:58:09.480 I'm not saying they're lying.

00:58:10.680 I've interviewed a bunch of the people, including, I forget her name, a black lady that, you know,

00:58:13.900 I think had her baby with her that day.

00:58:15.200 She smelled all the cordite, and it shot through multiple rings, the Pentagon, that's armored

00:58:20.160 steel.

00:58:21.920 But again, and listen, I hope 9-11 wasn't some type of inside job.

00:58:26.760 I believed it the time I said it, and all I say is you can't, you can't, you can't not

00:58:31.960 look at Building 7, and look at all the other things that went on there, and no steel buildings

00:58:37.680 have ever collapsed like that until that day, and so I think it's very, very suspicious.

00:58:40.740 I will tell you that I think you are not a thinking human being, especially when you

00:58:50.420 see what happened to Sandy Berger.

00:58:53.660 There was some connection with our government and 9-11.

00:58:59.300 Whether they planned it, knew it, I don't know, but you can't look at what, you know,

00:59:08.180 Sandy Berger goes in, and he goes through all the records of past presidents, both Republican

00:59:13.900 and Democrat, takes papers out, destroys them, and then he gets his security clearance taken

00:59:20.900 away for a year.

00:59:21.960 Remember, somebody was hiding something.

00:59:26.960 I don't know what it was, but somebody was definitely hiding something.

00:59:30.520 Well, that's the thing.

00:59:31.140 There's thousands of other points.

00:59:32.200 We get on the 9-11 rabbit hole for a million years.

00:59:34.640 The Joint Chiefs are going to have for six months a meeting on 9-11 in New York to cancel

00:59:39.340 that.

00:59:40.060 Mayor Willie Brown told the San Francisco Chronicle that he was told not to fly the day before

00:59:44.180 to New York.

00:59:47.060 It was in local news that mosques and places were saying, but also just regular businesses,

00:59:53.900 don't go in the towers tomorrow or a couple of days.

00:59:57.560 I mean, that was in the news.

00:59:59.420 And then we would cover it from the local news.

01:00:02.120 They'd have national news saying I was making it up.

01:00:04.560 So I think one thing that helped blow me up is that they would also go, this guy's flamboyant

01:00:09.620 and young, and he says some stuff sometimes that isn't exactly right, we'll just attack

01:00:14.300 him every time there's a story and say, oh, this lunatic said it.

01:00:17.680 But people already had such low trust for the system, they went, well, I'll see what this

01:00:21.620 guy's all about.

01:00:22.280 So that's been the weird paradox is, it's like I'm radioactive, but the more they attack

01:00:28.080 me, so many people don't trust the system, it sends me more viewers.

01:00:31.480 But that's why it's polarizing.

01:00:32.700 It creates the people that hate me, and it creates the people that like me.

01:00:36.040 So yeah, it's been very interesting.

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01:01:46.680 Final segment now with Alex Jones.

01:01:48.680 Let's skip ahead a bit to the Sandy Hook thing, the thing that got you into trouble.

01:01:57.520 The first judgment was a trillion dollars?

01:02:00.920 The first was $45 million in Texas.

01:02:03.020 Okay.

01:02:03.940 And then, yes, in Connecticut, they asked for...

01:02:09.680 Folks, you're not going to believe this.

01:02:10.920 You have to pull it up, and then they asked for the GDP of India, $2.67 trillion.

01:02:19.520 And you weren't making $2.6 trillion.

01:02:21.960 Oh, they lied and said I was worth $400 million.

01:02:24.000 I mean, there's been a time where I had $10 million in my bank account and a couple big houses.

01:02:28.220 I mean, I've never been...

01:02:29.700 We're not talking live-back money here, folks.

01:02:31.500 No, but seriously.

01:02:34.860 It was just...

01:02:36.020 To try to tell the story, I don't even feel like a victim.

01:02:38.600 In fact, it taught me a lot and made me grow up a lot and made me be more careful.

01:02:43.640 And now it's been such a learning experience.

01:02:45.800 The last six years of lawfare and lies and not understanding and thinking I knew a lot,

01:02:52.800 and now I'd like to know how much I don't know.

01:02:55.380 I mean, you could teach a college degree in this, understanding propaganda, PR, deep state, how it works.

01:03:03.080 And I only understood it after the judgments, because I was already found guilty by the judges.

01:03:08.900 They had show trials on how guilty I was.

01:03:11.000 So I'm guilty until proven how guilty.

01:03:13.320 Not just innocent to proven guilty or guilty until proven innocent.

01:03:17.800 I'm guilty and it's not how guilty, literally.

01:03:21.820 They had PR firms come out.

01:03:23.400 You can pull up their names in New York and Connecticut and say, we did it.

01:03:26.920 We're so proud of ourselves.

01:03:27.980 So they admitted the whole thing.

01:03:31.760 But the actual judgment in Connecticut is $1.5 billion now.

01:03:35.200 That's what the judge cut it back to.

01:03:37.160 And Texas is $45 million.

01:03:39.520 So this is a very interesting story.

01:03:42.300 And if you want me to encapsulate it, I can.

01:03:44.740 I want you, because we've talked about it before.

01:03:47.100 But I want you to tell me two things.

01:03:54.500 Do you regret any of it?

01:03:58.620 So did you make any mistakes in that?

01:04:01.380 And was there a figure that you thought, I think that would be fair?

01:04:09.220 I think they go hand in hand.

01:04:10.760 If you don't think you made a mistake, there wouldn't be a figure.

01:04:14.320 That is a very complex question.

01:04:16.140 There was a time before they even sued me that I would have paid them money and apologized

01:04:23.060 because I already had, that I actually had gone from thinking it didn't happen to way

01:04:29.200 before they sued me saying, yeah, that's not who I am.

01:04:31.060 I barely covered it.

01:04:31.980 And by the way, I'm sorry.

01:04:33.020 And that only elicited, oh, now he admits he lied.

01:04:35.700 And then the process of the PR firms and the fundraisers, hundreds of millions.

01:04:42.960 And my name being used for years, this guy's bullying us.

01:04:45.640 Give us money.

01:04:46.740 That they attach themselves to me.

01:04:48.840 So to answer the question, at a time, I would have said I did things wrong and I would have

01:04:55.340 given them money.

01:04:56.360 I offered them $70 million over 10 years, not even knowing if I could make that to pay

01:04:59.920 them.

01:05:00.020 They said, no, that's not enough punishment.

01:05:02.240 They said, we want to take you off the air and then chase you and hurt you.

01:05:05.140 And they've said that in the news.

01:05:06.280 It's not the families.

01:05:07.380 It's here's what happened.

01:05:09.600 Almost 12 years ago, at a previously closed school, run down, serious problems, no security

01:05:20.200 cameras not working, all these problems.

01:05:21.740 Adam Lanza gets a gun that his mother legally got.

01:05:27.340 It was serious autism stuff, goes in and kills kids and some teachers.

01:05:31.100 I'm sitting back.

01:05:33.820 99% of what I did back then, especially, was cover what other people are saying and doing

01:05:37.420 and give my opinion or show a news article.

01:05:39.120 Hey, Bill Gates said, if we don't give old people care, we can hire 10 teachers.

01:05:43.560 Here's a clip.

01:05:44.660 I mean, it's what you do.

01:05:45.900 I mean, you do a lot more investigative.

01:05:47.700 Let's say 80%, you just cover what's going on.

01:05:49.800 And you say, look at this plane crashed or look, look what, look what AOC just said.

01:05:53.480 Yeah.

01:05:53.640 Give perspective according to my point of view.

01:05:56.200 Absolutely.

01:05:56.560 So I'm just up there talking.

01:05:57.600 It's a show.

01:05:58.540 I like it, but it's also exhausting.

01:06:00.140 So sometimes, you know, I'm kind of going fast if I'm tired because I'm just trying to,

01:06:03.300 you know, when I'm tired, I want to talk fast because I'm just kind of getting through

01:06:07.540 it, but it's actually harder to slow down.

01:06:09.660 So just slow down.

01:06:11.500 Because if you understand how this was done to me, you understand how it's being done in

01:06:15.620 society by the left to make everybody guilty of things they didn't do.

01:06:18.500 Like gun owners are responsible for mass shootings.

01:06:20.520 No, it's the breakdown of society.

01:06:21.900 The psychotropic drugs that admit on the label can cause psychotic breaks of mass murder,

01:06:27.540 homicidal thoughts and ideations and actions.

01:06:30.560 It's on the labels.

01:06:31.780 So I'm sitting there and that day there's helicopters and a guy in camo in the woods

01:06:37.260 and the witnesses are reporting men in camo running by the windows.

01:06:40.660 This is on the news.

01:06:41.420 I have the news clips.

01:06:42.800 Fog of war, maybe it's not true.

01:06:43.920 Except there's footage of it.

01:06:47.360 And I noticed in the deposition, the whole thing, the judge never wanted that talked

01:06:52.280 about.

01:06:52.560 And they never want to talk about it in the deposition.

01:06:53.920 We get really mad about the man in the woods and that doesn't exist.

01:06:56.040 You made that up.

01:06:56.620 I have the newscast, multiple ones with the guys in the woods and the cops stopping

01:06:59.060 in a camo behind the school.

01:07:01.900 So day one, to me, I've got a four hour show.

01:07:06.000 It's happening.

01:07:06.620 It's a tragedy.

01:07:07.780 We cover it for like 30 minutes.

01:07:09.340 Come back to it later.

01:07:10.080 Oh, this is terrible.

01:07:11.260 You know, bet this kid's on drugs, whatever.

01:07:13.040 Yeah.

01:07:13.920 Then the internet doesn't believe it and sees these anomalies and finds things that a lot

01:07:19.460 of the anomalies turn out to not be accurate.

01:07:20.800 Some have never been answered.

01:07:22.640 And so it becomes this huge thing for a couple of years.

01:07:26.440 None of my videos really went viral compared.

01:07:28.700 I mean, there was videos with 50 million views, 100 million on YouTube that were these investigators

01:07:32.300 and these professors in Florida and Wisconsin and school safety people.

01:07:37.560 And I had a few of them on and they'd been on news before and they had credentials.

01:07:45.120 And so they entered in evidence against me when they did sue me, 22 minutes.

01:07:49.860 So they sued me, spent almost 12 years.

01:07:53.200 So they sued me six years ago.

01:07:54.820 They sued me five, six years after it happened.

01:07:57.360 About five years after it happened.

01:08:00.680 And in the incredible cost of the depositions and the discovery, which we applied with everything,

01:08:05.220 it got defaulted.

01:08:06.140 We learned, because we had all our archives basically, what I'd done.

01:08:09.780 And they went through maybe 10 shows I'd done on it.

01:08:14.120 And then maybe seven or eight other shows, my guest host or some of my reporters had done

01:08:18.320 or interviews.

01:08:19.020 We had a debate about it.

01:08:20.860 I had the school safety guy on a few times.

01:08:22.940 I had one of the professors on.

01:08:26.960 I don't think I ever had the Florida guy on.

01:08:27.920 I think I had him on too.

01:08:29.060 So maybe we did 15 shows on it.

01:08:31.840 And basically because people were, the listeners wanted us to.

01:08:35.300 I never went to Connecticut, never went to their houses, never sent anybody to their houses,

01:08:38.100 never did any of that.

01:08:39.120 So then they wanted to attack Trump.

01:08:41.360 And Hillary brings it up a few months before the campaign ends.

01:08:43.820 And they try to make me Trump.

01:08:45.760 So by demonizing me, they think they're going to hurt Trump.

01:08:48.280 And suddenly I'm in every newspaper every day.

01:08:52.440 I mean, everywhere.

01:08:53.540 AP every couple of days.

01:08:54.740 I can flip through CNN, MSNBC, ABC News, turn to local news eight.

01:09:00.040 The Time Warner runs now Verizon or it's now, what's the local cable called?

01:09:04.420 It's called, it doesn't matter.

01:09:05.420 They've still got their local news channel.

01:09:08.260 Frontier?

01:09:08.920 It's driving me crazy.

01:09:10.280 What's the name of the local cable, Jason Austin?

01:09:11.700 It's Spectrum.

01:09:13.340 Sorry.

01:09:13.820 Oh, yeah.

01:09:14.260 Anyways.

01:09:14.940 Sorry.

01:09:15.320 I get obsessed with a point.

01:09:16.500 I can't remember it.

01:09:18.360 So with me, I just actually go into my memories.

01:09:20.420 This isn't like, you know, scripted.

01:09:21.460 I'm just going into my memory.

01:09:22.320 So it's kind of jumping back and forth.

01:09:23.480 So local news eight at the time, which was still CNN, is attacking me every day for like

01:09:31.040 off and on for a year.

01:09:32.620 And it's like they're about to invade a country.

01:09:34.260 The level of propaganda is so bad.

01:09:35.360 But really, they were demonizing free speech, the average conservative, and Trump kind of using

01:09:39.200 me as a straw man.

01:09:40.280 So they built this thing I had done.

01:09:41.760 I'm like, I'm not this important.

01:09:44.000 Something really crazy is going on, but I hadn't figured it out.

01:09:46.500 I knew they were demonizing Trump with me.

01:09:48.540 And so I start saying, I believe it happened.

01:09:50.200 I'd already said that.

01:09:51.060 I go, listen, you know, I'm not the Sandy Hook guy.

01:09:54.240 Stop.

01:09:54.740 Stop.

01:09:55.020 Because they're saying in present tense, I'm sending people to their houses and peeing

01:09:58.480 on graves.

01:09:59.240 And I never did any of that.

01:10:00.480 Nobody did that.

01:10:01.940 So and they're running ads all over Facebook and all over Twitter.

01:10:06.300 Oh, my God, he's attacking us.

01:10:07.860 And they would send letters to tech companies and say, he's doing it right now.

01:10:12.320 We're in clear and present danger.

01:10:13.400 Stop.

01:10:15.020 And then I got deplatformed everywhere, but not because of that.

01:10:18.220 They gave their reasons why I was deplatformed.

01:10:19.860 And the head of Apple talked about it, Tim Cook, and they had a Twitter one on Joe Rogan

01:10:23.880 and said it was for other reasons, that I bullied Oliver Darcy.

01:10:27.420 That was the final reason on X.

01:10:29.440 And then they went, oh, he's off because of Sandy Hook.

01:10:32.460 And then they sued me, I guess, 2018.

01:10:36.320 And then it just ran everywhere again and all over the news.

01:10:40.400 I mean, I've been on PBS.

01:10:41.960 People call the time, hey, there's another documentary about you and movies.

01:10:45.280 And then they made that HBO thing.

01:10:46.620 And I can tell you about that.

01:10:47.520 But then they get all the discovery, and they keep saying, who's your boss?

01:10:52.620 Where's the money?

01:10:53.200 Where's the Mercers?

01:10:54.020 Where's that?

01:10:54.480 I'm like, I sell T-shirts and videos and supplements.

01:10:57.520 I mean, it's all right here.

01:10:58.800 And then they sanctioned me in Connecticut saying, you're lying.

01:11:01.820 There is Sandy Hook promotional material.

01:11:04.800 Your news, we know, the judge said, we know you have Google Analytics.

01:11:10.240 When Google Analytics is a search of Google systems, what do you want from Google?

01:11:14.840 They went, we want the analytics you were getting.

01:11:17.440 We search our whole database of everything.

01:11:19.360 Find one time, one of the writers wanted to see a story and went to Google Analytics.

01:11:23.040 And they go, see, we hold you that you are now going to be defaulted because you did use Google Analytics.

01:11:29.020 We wanted the Google Analytics.

01:11:30.400 And I kept explaining, it's a search engine internally on Google.

01:11:33.820 It's like saying, give me Google.

01:11:35.940 Or give me Hollywood.

01:11:38.180 It's this huge history.

01:11:39.280 It's this huge thing.

01:11:40.540 And say, give me a tree in the forest.

01:11:42.220 Well, which tree?

01:11:43.280 And so they defaulted me there.

01:11:44.740 They defaulted me in Texas.

01:11:47.080 The same thing.

01:11:48.320 I go in.

01:11:48.840 There's huge HBO cameras.

01:11:50.220 It's two and a half years ago.

01:11:51.800 And my lawyers aren't allowed to talk.

01:11:54.500 We're giving a list of things we can't say.

01:11:55.800 I can't say I'm innocent.

01:11:56.680 I can't say I'm in bankruptcy.

01:11:57.420 And then they put on a financial expert who's never looked at our books and says, Jones has made billions.

01:12:04.600 Jones himself is like the greatest entrepreneur ever.

01:12:06.640 He's got $360 million in the bank.

01:12:09.120 And I'm sitting there at the time because of all the suits and everything.

01:12:12.160 And I've got like $3 million in the bank.

01:12:14.380 And my lawyer said, your bill is like $4 million.

01:12:16.400 So the day he's saying this, I'm sitting there.

01:12:19.340 And at coffee and breakfast, they're like, we need money.

01:12:21.940 And I'm literally going, God, I guess I'll sell my lake house.

01:12:24.960 And the judge, the last day, doesn't let us talk.

01:12:27.340 Same thing in Connecticut.

01:12:28.380 And puts on experts, literally just whole cloth.

01:12:32.020 Glenn Beck has $50 trillion of gold buried under his building.

01:12:34.700 And you're up there.

01:12:35.500 You can't respond.

01:12:36.600 And he made it all off them.

01:12:39.600 And made zero off these people.

01:12:41.260 I mean, literally.

01:12:41.900 I cover a story.

01:12:43.060 It's interesting.

01:12:43.620 It's not like there's money in a story.

01:12:45.980 Only time that's true is like, oh, God, look.

01:12:48.120 The water's all got poison in it.

01:12:49.380 We've got a water filter.

01:12:50.280 It's very obvious direct sale.

01:12:51.600 You need a water filter.

01:12:53.360 And I've had like, you know, ammo companies, advertisers.

01:12:58.840 And I'm like, folks, you need ammo.

01:13:00.320 I mean, when it's very direct.

01:13:02.160 Speaking of that story, here's this.

01:13:03.380 But never like some master plan.

01:13:05.020 And so HBO did stuff like put out stuff that's completely.

01:13:08.580 We've never had something marked up eight times.

01:13:10.720 Even three times or two times.

01:13:12.120 And they're like, and look, this day, he made $400,000 because this story was on his website.

01:13:21.300 You look at the analytics, 5,000 readers for it.

01:13:23.420 And they line up that one day where a product we've been promoting for three months came in.

01:13:27.680 And with storable food, they'd only bill every two weeks.

01:13:30.100 When it shipped, we wouldn't bill the credit cards until it shipped.

01:13:33.460 And that product came in.

01:13:35.080 We normally didn't have $400,000 a day.

01:13:36.680 It's usually $150,000 a day or something.

01:13:37.840 And they go, look, the day of the story, $400,000, he made it off them.

01:13:41.400 No, they charged for two weeks of food.

01:13:43.360 And the first day of the sale of a hot product came out.

01:13:45.920 You know that you're in business to fund your operation.

01:13:48.620 And couldn't get up, couldn't explain it.

01:13:50.820 And the juries just look at me going, you know, anybody in media knows you don't make $400,000 off talking about a mass shooting off a product.

01:13:59.560 No, you promote a book for six months it's coming out.

01:14:01.640 The day it drops, there's a big spike because the people get it.

01:14:05.280 And so when I told them all this, the depositions, and it was just, and you watch the HBO thing, and it's literally twisting little pieces like a refrigerator magnet game where you can make any sentence you want.

01:14:18.660 Or I could cut the Bible up and have it say, love Satan, he's your God, he's the best, Jesus is going to hell.

01:14:23.840 The Bible doesn't say that, but they would just.

01:14:25.440 So I actually didn't even feel sorry for myself during this.

01:14:30.200 It became actually very interesting historically that I was experiencing this.

01:14:35.140 Then the PR firms came out and bragged how they did it, how they dredged up stuff I did, exaggerated it, blew it up for years, demonized Trump, then sued me, then used it for PR to raise money massively for anti-gun crusade, using my name.

01:14:48.380 Which is hated by the left so they would get big money.

01:14:51.140 And I just looked back and I was like, wow, this is a very sophisticated corporate, you know, operation.

01:14:56.640 Then internal undercover videos of FBI, CIA admitting it all, the FBI head counsel.

01:15:04.260 And I didn't get what I was seeing two and a half years ago in Connecticut.

01:15:07.360 I'm watching the head of the FBI counsel at the time, he's since retired, get up there and say, I don't know why they wanted it on record.

01:15:16.000 The Koskoff lawyer, Koskoff's his name, a third generation law firm, big Democrat party thing with Senator Blumenthal.

01:15:21.920 He looks at me, he goes, why are you here?

01:15:24.620 And why are you so?

01:15:25.280 He goes, well, you know, people didn't think it was me.

01:15:28.380 And, you know, that day they didn't think I was really an FBI agent because I wasn't wearing my FBI thing and my rifle was pointed out the wrong way or whatever.

01:15:34.840 Or up the wrong way, but, you know, I am.

01:15:36.460 And, you know, and it's terrible.

01:15:39.020 So I came to you and I got with the families and I think we need to come after him.

01:15:42.460 And so we did because he was doing this to us.

01:15:44.440 My lawyer gets up and he goes, sir, has Mr. Jones ever said your name?

01:15:48.100 No.

01:15:49.300 Has he of his crew ever said your name?

01:15:50.380 No.

01:15:51.100 Have they ever written about you?

01:15:52.200 Anything about you?

01:15:52.960 No, not to my knowledge.

01:15:54.200 Well, tell me, what happened to you?

01:15:55.600 What was the harassment you got?

01:15:56.840 Well, one time a reporter called me to see if I was real at my office at the FBI.

01:16:01.560 And then he called again a month later.

01:16:02.540 I go out during the break.

01:16:04.560 The local web guy, you know, news guy, he's there.

01:16:08.160 He goes, yeah, that was me.

01:16:09.340 And I looked up the record.

01:16:10.380 It was him.

01:16:11.540 He was investigating it before I was.

01:16:14.140 So every thing everybody else did was me.

01:16:16.880 He won $130 million of the $1.5 billion.

01:16:20.780 And the law of Connecticut says you can't sue somebody.

01:16:22.660 You haven't said their name unless you're in a class action tort, you know, and something like that.

01:16:26.640 But that's not the law.

01:16:28.280 That was all thrown out.

01:16:29.520 I was found guilty.

01:16:30.600 I was already guilty.

01:16:31.920 They were then shown false information.

01:16:34.280 And I have the FBI saying we initiated the thing against Alex Jones.

01:16:38.040 So, yes, would I have done it different?

01:16:40.580 If I knew the trap, I meant well and just covered what people were saying.

01:16:45.180 And I had no idea years later it would be used against me.

01:16:47.240 And back when I didn't understand how cold-blooded and Democrat Party machine it was, I actually was buying into, wow, I've hurt people.

01:16:59.600 And even though I wasn't the one that ran it or progenerated it, if it makes them feel better, I apologized over and over again pathetically countless times.

01:17:09.300 That only encouraged it.

01:17:10.600 And then when I got on the Texas stand and they totally controlled what I could say and shut me down.

01:17:15.520 And the judge said, you're not allowed to lie up here.

01:17:17.200 You're a liar.

01:17:18.760 When I blurted it out, I don't have all this money to say.

01:17:20.760 That's not true.

01:17:21.300 Yes, you do.

01:17:22.220 You're not allowed to lie here.

01:17:23.420 They then put one of the mothers who lost her child up.

01:17:26.160 And I taped my show at 6 a.m. that morning.

01:17:28.460 They come in after lunch.

01:17:30.340 And the lawyer goes, Your Honor, he went on today and said her son doesn't exist and she's an actor.

01:17:35.200 And everybody's looking at me and the jury's looking at me and I'm sitting there going, that's not true.

01:17:39.000 So this is like after lunch at like 1 o'clock.

01:17:41.300 I've taped from like 6 to 9.

01:17:43.520 I go down to the courthouse and do this.

01:17:44.820 We're barely making it at 9.30.

01:17:46.920 And I'm sitting there and she goes up to the stand.

01:17:48.960 And for 30 minutes, the judge lets her, goes, How dare you say my son doesn't exist?

01:17:53.420 There's footage of all this.

01:17:54.340 How dare you say he didn't die?

01:17:56.080 You did it again today.

01:17:57.640 And the jury just goes, And I'm like, It's not true.

01:18:00.120 The judge goes, Silence!

01:18:01.420 And she goes on and on and on.

01:18:03.660 And then finally, I get to rebut and I get up and I go, Jury, please, you can go watch my show.

01:18:08.660 It's at Infowars.com.

01:18:09.500 It's restreaming.

01:18:10.340 I swear to God, it's in the first 30 minutes.

01:18:11.820 I said, She's real.

01:18:12.820 I believe her.

01:18:13.380 Her husband's really nice.

01:18:14.840 You know, I thought he was an actor because he's such a normal country boy.

01:18:18.100 It's not an act.

01:18:18.720 He's very nice.

01:18:19.320 I'd given him a note saying that.

01:18:21.760 And all of this, and just please, for God's sake, go see it.

01:18:25.900 It didn't matter.

01:18:27.160 And then I went, then I looked at him and I was like, and later I went over to him and I gave him another.

01:18:31.200 And I said, That's not true.

01:18:32.140 And then the next day I saw him there, it was like, and I was like, Whoa, I don't know what's going on here.

01:18:41.220 This is creepy.

01:18:42.200 And then I learned the rest of it.

01:18:43.900 So I don't know.

01:18:44.820 I don't know.

01:18:45.500 I know it was the weirdest thing when I was being deposed at Koskoff, two days straight, six months before the trial, or nine months, whatever it was.

01:18:55.540 And they were so paranoid about me.

01:18:56.800 They had like armed guards outside the door and all this.

01:18:58.760 And I'm being deposed by Blumenthal's son, Senator Blumenthal's son.

01:19:02.320 And this other guy looks like Eddie Munster.

01:19:04.780 And he's the big former federal prosecutor that put the Republican governor in Connecticut in jail.

01:19:09.060 His name is Chris Maddy.

01:19:11.540 And I'm sitting there.

01:19:12.580 He goes, I want you to read, because he would have me do this for hours.

01:19:15.360 Read these police reports.

01:19:16.480 You don't think kids die?

01:19:17.220 Here it is.

01:19:18.260 And I had never read these police reports because they'd only gotten released recently, a few years ago, like four years ago.

01:19:24.720 And I start reading.

01:19:26.280 We arrive, blah, blah, blah, go in.

01:19:29.260 You know, there's bullet holes in the door, blah, blah, blah, go in.

01:19:31.820 And then there's footage of all this.

01:19:32.900 We have this.

01:19:33.680 A real film ought to be made.

01:19:35.540 You could find it anyways.

01:19:38.560 And I've never gone back and looked at it because this was traumatic.

01:19:42.060 And I turned to page two and he goes, try to open bathroom door.

01:19:46.180 Can't.

01:19:47.240 Force it open to another officer.

01:19:48.960 Find pyramid pile of dead children with no blood.

01:19:52.460 Believe bodies were moved there.

01:19:55.420 See, I was saying I thought they had help from what was there when I was actually covering it.

01:19:58.900 Then the fake internet thing comes in and says, none die.

01:20:01.820 There's something going on.

01:20:03.660 And Chris Bain goes, stop, stop, stop.

01:20:05.300 Let's move on from that.

01:20:06.140 Let's move on from that right there.

01:20:07.560 I guess he hadn't even read it.

01:20:09.020 It's in the police report.

01:20:12.260 Strike me down.

01:20:12.940 Look it for yourself.

01:20:14.080 So I don't know what's going on there.

01:20:16.120 And Lanza was approached by unnamed federal agencies.

01:20:18.760 We tried to hack into the CIA.

01:20:20.300 Look that up.

01:20:20.700 And I'm getting chills right now.

01:20:22.180 So I don't know.

01:20:23.180 I don't know.

01:20:23.820 I don't know.

01:20:24.560 And I'm not the guy to do this because I'm Alex Jones.

01:20:27.400 I'm just telling people they don't want you looking into this.

01:20:30.500 And that's another thing.

01:20:33.080 They told me in the settlement hearings a year before the trial in Connecticut and Texas.

01:20:37.700 And I couldn't talk about the time in there with his lawyers and a judge doing the settlement talk.

01:20:44.600 I couldn't talk about it then until they later talked to my lawyers, not in a settlement talk, but openly told them again personally.

01:20:52.360 In Texas and Connecticut, they said, the families, that means Democratic Party above them, never want you to talk about it again.

01:20:58.000 And I said, I don't want to talk about it.

01:20:59.360 I didn't.

01:20:59.860 This is a.

01:21:00.980 But we're going to keep talking about you.

01:21:03.900 And I said, I said, well, that's not going to happen.

01:21:05.740 And then they openly said in Connecticut and he literally looks at me, Koskoff, and he's wearing a mask during COVID.

01:21:16.140 He goes, you don't get it, do you?

01:21:17.280 He goes, we're like the godfather.

01:21:18.500 We're the mafia.

01:21:19.080 We run this state.

01:21:20.000 You're not going to win this.

01:21:20.900 You're not going to beat us.

01:21:22.360 And he said, they're going to give you a proposal later.

01:21:24.200 Your lawyer is.

01:21:25.260 And if you don't, if you take it or leave it.

01:21:26.880 So my lawyer goes, well, and this is Norm Pattis, because you can't talk about this now because it was in that thing.

01:21:33.300 He signed an agreement, but they later talked about it.

01:21:34.760 So I could, they brought it back to him and that wasn't in control.

01:21:38.040 They didn't say it then.

01:21:39.360 They said, they want you to come out against the second amendment.

01:21:42.540 And I said, let me guess.

01:21:43.520 They want something else.

01:21:44.220 I said, call them back and find out.

01:21:45.900 And he said, yeah.

01:21:46.740 They said, that's just the start.

01:21:48.400 And I said, never, never, never.

01:21:51.340 And then Texas did the same thing.

01:21:52.800 They didn't say we're, we're the godfather, but strike me down.

01:21:55.740 He said, we're like, you see the godfather.

01:21:57.240 And I said, yeah, it's a great movie.

01:21:58.780 I love it.

01:21:59.020 Mario Puzo, you know, the book.

01:22:01.560 And I said, we're the mafia.

01:22:04.440 We run the state.

01:22:05.120 You will lose.

01:22:06.460 And he said it with total certainty in his fancy suit with his mask on.

01:22:10.280 And it was a big joke.

01:22:13.240 So, have I hurt people?

01:22:17.800 Have I said things about people being cocky and a dick?

01:22:21.380 Yeah, I've done it to you.

01:22:23.660 Because I think subconsciously, I'm not jealous of people now.

01:22:26.700 I've grown up.

01:22:27.580 I think it was jealousy because I'd been doing this longer.

01:22:30.940 Of course, you've been on air longer than me.

01:22:32.060 And then you just blew up everywhere.

01:22:33.520 It was the overnight success state, which it wasn't.

01:22:36.400 And then I don't think, I didn't think you were as hardcore on some issues.

01:22:39.900 And I don't know who talked about who first.

01:22:41.920 We've already done this.

01:22:44.440 But the reason I raised that is, I'm willing to say where I'm wrong.

01:22:48.060 Like, I was wrong to drink.

01:22:49.340 I didn't spend enough time with my first three children.

01:22:51.120 I spent, I wasn't a bad dad, but like, you know, C plus, okay?

01:22:55.740 I want to be an A plus.

01:22:58.480 I've not been with my children enough.

01:23:01.800 I've been a drunk at times.

01:23:03.720 I didn't realize the power I had and would say I was off the cuff.

01:23:08.340 And I've learned a lot of lessons.

01:23:09.820 But I, what they say I did on Sandy Hook is the model of disinformation.

01:23:16.960 Entire tissue, not saying Sandy Hook itself, the shooting, the entire response to me and

01:23:21.640 everything was running the Democratic Party, PR firms, and law firms with U.S.

01:23:25.560 government agencies admittedly quarterbacking it.

01:23:27.980 And now you see the stuff Trump's gone through with supposedly raping a woman and all that

01:23:33.420 stuff and then what they did to him.

01:23:34.400 And you look at all of it and it's just, she can't even say what year it is.

01:23:37.780 She poses on the cover of a major magazine and says, this is what he attacked me in.

01:23:41.500 And it wasn't made until two years after.

01:23:43.520 I mean, it's just not, come on.

01:23:45.280 And, and, and then you look her up and she's the definition of a crazy cat lady.

01:23:48.700 And you're not even supposed to be able to say that.

01:23:51.000 So that's why as much as Trump makes me mad sometimes, because I wish he'd do this.

01:23:55.620 I wish he'd do that.

01:23:56.140 It's easy to Monday morning quarterback.

01:23:58.260 The hell he's gone through.

01:23:59.800 And I know you've gone through a lot too.

01:24:01.540 Not like, and I don't think anybody's gone through what Trump has gone through.

01:24:05.120 That is, that is a, I mean, he's the most investigated man.

01:24:10.060 I think in the history of the world, mankind, um, by every agency in every country, and this

01:24:19.640 is what you come up with.

01:24:21.240 Uh, and then they just screw him to the wall every time.

01:24:25.200 And, uh, I mean, I, I have a very hard time believing that, uh, best case scenario, the

01:24:35.800 government through whatever, their sloppiness, uh, and not caring what happens allowed that

01:24:47.380 shooting to happen.

01:24:48.320 That's bare minimum.

01:24:49.160 Yeah.

01:24:49.540 Bare minimum.

01:24:50.300 And if you look at it all, they're lying and saying the secret service shot the guy

01:24:54.320 and they didn't, I mean, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

01:24:56.640 Yeah.

01:24:56.880 Bare minimum, deliberate standout.

01:24:58.560 So, uh, I can't, I can't let you leave without asking.

01:25:02.260 Is it almost over already?

01:25:03.700 We're over time, but that's great.

01:25:05.340 I love it.

01:25:06.120 Um, well, I don't want to just talk about myself all day, but here's what, here's what

01:25:09.840 I want.

01:25:10.300 I want to leave it with this.

01:25:13.020 What's coming for, for America.

01:25:16.200 Yeah.

01:25:16.580 What's coming in the next, you know, with the election.

01:25:20.120 I mean, I can't see a good way that that goes no matter who wins.

01:25:25.680 I can't see because we, we don't, we no longer have a country where we give each other the

01:25:32.760 benefit of the doubt.

01:25:33.780 We're not going to walk away from this and say, oh, well, you know, that was fair and

01:25:38.800 square.

01:25:40.300 If, if Trump wins, I can't imagine that the left and the WEF and with all of the power and

01:25:50.320 money that's at stake.

01:25:51.480 I can't imagine that he makes it to the Oval again.

01:25:55.860 I totally agree.

01:25:56.780 And to answer your key question, I'll put a little bit of time.

01:25:58.580 This is so important.

01:25:59.240 Glenn, I don't say this because it's about me.

01:26:01.620 You ask what's coming if he loses or wins.

01:26:03.520 I didn't tell you about the five grand juries they've had open on me trying to indict me

01:26:07.440 for all sorts of little weird business stuff.

01:26:09.700 And they, they couldn't by the grace of God.

01:26:11.040 I'm not like John Gotti.

01:26:12.180 Hey, you didn't get me.

01:26:13.120 I'm like, I'm innocent.

01:26:14.220 This is crazy.

01:26:14.980 And they're trying that on everybody.

01:26:16.100 So they are, if they're able to steal the election from Trump or kill him and they already

01:26:21.140 tried and they killed him because they can see he's even more popular than 2016.

01:26:25.220 And so we need to pray for him.

01:26:27.860 We need to hold him up.

01:26:28.760 We need to support him and all his failings were all centers.

01:26:32.840 And we have to understand that this is the dying of the globalist empire.

01:26:36.280 The old financial bubbles coming to an end and they tried to kill him because they knew

01:26:40.720 they were going to lose.

01:26:41.580 Now they're going to try even more.

01:26:43.720 He's had multiple plane problems.

01:26:45.360 All this stuff is very serious.

01:26:47.820 And so, and this is why I have empathy too.

01:26:50.620 If they can get Trump and he's right when he says, they're not trying to get me there.

01:26:53.440 They've got to get through me to get to you.

01:26:54.940 You better believe that Tucker Carlson, Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, Joe Rogan's getting more

01:27:01.180 hardcore.

01:27:02.120 And I know Joe.

01:27:03.760 And so I'm not going to get into inside baseball, but I know these RFK.

01:27:07.040 Oh, okay.

01:27:08.300 I mean, Tulsi Gabbard.

01:27:09.920 They are, I said this before they tried to kill Trump.

01:27:13.080 I said, they're imminently going to try to shoot him days before.

01:27:16.180 And I said, they've cut his security.

01:27:17.680 I was all over that.

01:27:19.080 And I said, folks, if they kill Trump, they're going after, and I said, your name, I'm not

01:27:23.960 trying to make this into reality, but, but I said, anybody they know that will not sell

01:27:29.460 out just because we can't do it.

01:27:30.900 People say, well, you sell out.

01:27:31.840 I can't physically do it.

01:27:32.840 I can't physically shut up.

01:27:33.880 And so I said, they're going to go after Tucker Carlson, myself, Glenn Beck, Rogan, RFK Jr.

01:27:44.040 And I don't mean just go after us with the regular stuff.

01:27:45.980 No.

01:27:46.980 Because this is a real criminal regime.

01:27:49.120 And we know the State Department now was involved with the voting machines and getting

01:27:53.860 Bolsonaro indicted and getting Bolsonaro kicked off the ballot.

01:27:57.520 But it's all the same.

01:27:58.280 And, and, uh, helping, uh, the Brazilian government go after Elon Musk now.

01:28:06.180 Exactly.

01:28:06.880 Oh God.

01:28:07.540 I didn't say Elon Musk.

01:28:08.580 Okay.

01:28:08.880 I'm glad you said that.

01:28:10.380 And Elon Musk.

01:28:11.320 This is the order of who they need to get.

01:28:12.760 Cause this is, who's the biggest.

01:28:13.680 And I've said this on air and it's not about, you know, a weenie measuring contest.

01:28:17.260 In fact, I kind of like to be kind of like not, you know, cause they saw me in 2016.

01:28:21.400 I'd like to not be on this list.

01:28:22.960 Exactly.

01:28:23.600 They saw me as the biggest thing other than Trump 2016.

01:28:25.680 I was not.

01:28:26.500 Your show was bigger.

01:28:27.220 It's not about measuring.

01:28:28.200 It's just true.

01:28:28.740 So, so, but they picked me as like the big double.

01:28:31.900 So it goes Trump and Elon Musk.

01:28:33.680 You can't say who they hate more.

01:28:34.660 I think they're like twin things here, twin stars.

01:28:36.700 And then you've got the Rogans, Glenn Beck's, Tucker Carlson's, and then you've got, you

01:28:43.720 know, Alex Jones and the Russell Brands and all that stuff.

01:28:45.740 And of course, RFK is kind of, you know, up there on his own thing, but he's, you know,

01:28:49.560 He's not a direct threat to them, but I think he's pissed them off so much that, you

01:28:56.760 know.

01:28:57.000 Yeah.

01:28:57.200 So we're not up here like saying this, like, Hey, we're on the, you know, it's like when

01:29:00.160 John Hancock signed his name so big.

01:29:02.180 Oh, I, I, he knew what he was doing.

01:29:03.740 And I'm telling people this is, this is the game time.

01:29:05.380 So, so yeah, I mean, well, I'll ask Glenn Beck his own question.

01:29:08.300 I mean, I think Trump's right.

01:29:09.680 We are doomed pretty much.

01:29:12.440 I mean, barring a miracle, we saw a miracle in Butler.

01:29:15.640 I think this is the last exit America can take.

01:29:19.780 If we don't take this exit and turn back to God, turn back to the constitution, we're

01:29:27.320 done and we get everything we deserve.

01:29:29.820 Absolutely.

01:29:30.180 Uh, you know, and I do think that, you know, you look at the silencing campaign that is

01:29:38.220 going on right now in Brazil, in Europe, in England, and the authoritarian, uh, lust for

01:29:48.340 silence, uh, from the other side.

01:29:51.040 By the end of the next term, if it is Kamala Harris, I don't think our voices one way or

01:29:59.380 another, I don't think any dissenting voice is heard.

01:30:03.620 That's perfectly said.

01:30:04.660 And I just say this in closing.

01:30:05.720 They say that they say they must shut us down.

01:30:10.280 They are seizing power.

01:30:11.820 Like when the Nazis did it or the communists in Russia or China, they, they say they're

01:30:15.800 seizing power.

01:30:17.260 They're making their big move.

01:30:18.560 The red banners are back in the streets all over the world.

01:30:20.480 The intimidation, uh, it's insane.

01:30:22.860 And that's why it's important to support the blaze.

01:30:25.060 It's why for your viewers out there, they may shut down info wars, uh, in the next two months.

01:30:30.700 They are, they've liquidated it.

01:30:32.400 The U S trustee got fired by the judge.

01:30:34.520 They tried to shut it down 10 weeks ago.

01:30:36.320 You were gracious enough to have me on.

01:30:37.620 They later admitted, yeah, we tried to shut it down outside of a court order.

01:30:40.160 They just came and said, we're locking the doors.

01:30:41.500 The judge fired them, said no, but Mr. Jones is in bankruptcy himself.

01:30:45.400 So they don't want to settle.

01:30:46.560 I'm ordering liquidation.

01:30:48.740 The sale is October 24th.

01:30:50.480 We've got a lot of folks that are patriots that are going to come in.

01:30:52.360 They can try to outbet us.

01:30:53.200 They say they have some globalist billionaires to come into it.

01:30:55.760 They're even trying to say they own my name, which they don't.

01:30:57.960 And real Alex Jones on X, all the lawyers say they can't do it.

01:31:00.800 So it's now identity theft, next level, slavery.

01:31:02.580 And so people need to know it is, could be the twilight of info wars.

01:31:06.700 And if, and people will just check out the show, not so I get bigger, it's so I survive.

01:31:11.600 And so if people just in a few months, if where's Alex look for me, try to find me, uh,

01:31:16.880 because, uh, the real danger is when they silence somebody before they even come back, that's

01:31:22.700 when they target.

01:31:23.260 And, and, and, and, and, and so this is about my family.

01:31:25.980 It is extremely dangerous.

01:31:27.200 And to me, it's about survival of the country.

01:31:28.660 Now we're all in this together.

01:31:29.900 I was talking to your producer, Glenn, and we've talked on air that we were, you've been

01:31:34.920 more elegant and smart because you're older than I was.

01:31:38.040 I've learned a lot from you.

01:31:38.860 I think you do some of the best insightful analysis, the best out there period.

01:31:42.880 And so I've learned a lot from you and I appreciate that.

01:31:45.980 Uh, but you're absolutely right when, when, when you say, even, you know, 10, 15 years

01:31:49.760 ago, we're still kind of in competition and we're sniping and no, no, I see populist,

01:31:54.360 conservatives, Christians everywhere, really unifying now because we have to, we have to

01:31:59.160 and we, Alex, I'm sure there's tons of stuff that we disagree with.

01:32:03.380 I'm sure.

01:32:04.060 Yeah.

01:32:04.260 Um, and we agree.

01:32:05.920 America's in trouble.

01:32:07.040 We agree that America's in trouble and I am a free speech absolutist.

01:32:13.300 Period.

01:32:13.840 That's what America is.

01:32:14.700 Yeah.

01:32:15.160 If you are an enemy of free speech, I'm, I'm your enemy.

01:32:20.940 You're going after somebody and not you, but I mean, they've gone after, uh, you know,

01:32:27.060 they've gone after Bill Maher, who I have nothing in common with back after the world

01:32:31.960 trade center went down.

01:32:33.120 I stood with him.

01:32:34.560 You did.

01:32:35.060 Because you free speech is the cornerstone of everything.

01:32:40.820 And I know, you know, this, but this is, I didn't know this until it happened to me.

01:32:45.180 I thought I, when you're young, you know, everything, you get old, you know, nothing.

01:32:49.240 You don't just get silenced when they, when they silence you, they can then lie about you,

01:32:53.940 misrepresent you and still, and they build this thing.

01:32:56.580 You're not, and you can't respond.

01:32:58.380 That's why you've got to let really horrible speech go because the answer, the antidote

01:33:02.180 is the good speech.

01:33:02.880 Yes.

01:33:03.160 Alex Jones.

01:33:04.620 Thank you so much.

01:33:05.440 Amazing.

01:33:05.940 God bless you.

01:33:06.720 The coolest studios in America.

01:33:08.360 By the way, you're an amazing artist.

01:33:10.140 I'm not kissing your ass.

01:33:11.080 It's true.

01:33:11.800 Thank you.

01:33:17.860 Just a reminder.

01:33:19.460 I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it

01:33:23.840 can be discovered by other people.

01:33:25.060 I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and I'll see you next time.

01:33:41.360 Bye.

01:33:41.860 Bye.

01:33:41.960 Bye.

01:33:41.980 Bye.

01:33:42.020 Bye.

The Glenn Beck Program - September 14, 2024

The Untold Story of Alex Jones ｜ Ep 227 ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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