The Glenn Beck Program - 'The World's Your Oyster' (Ryan Holiday joins Glenn)

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00:00:16.640 Alrighty. Florida passed a school safety bill yesterday.

00:00:21.220 Our schools are going to be safe in Florida now.

00:00:23.500 First, let me tell you how the rest of the media is going to report on it,

00:00:25.880 and then I'll tell you what it actually means.

00:00:27.760 If you're, you know, scrolling through the internet today,

00:00:31.120 the dominant flash headline is going to be,

00:00:32.580 Florida passes bill allowing school staff to be armed.

00:00:36.900 Okay, the headline's not wrong.

00:00:38.420 The new bill will allow librarians, media specialists, whatever the hell that is,

00:00:43.840 advisors and coaches and others to carry a gun on school grounds.

00:00:49.180 Not only does this make schools physically safer,

00:00:51.800 but it also sends a message to any would-be mass murderer

00:00:55.100 that Florida schools are now off-limits,

00:00:57.800 you don't know who has a gun.

00:01:00.440 It'll now be in the back of their minds that if they raise their barrel in a school,

00:01:04.580 it's going to be met with multiple barrels aimed back at them.

00:01:09.000 The new bill also provides $300 million in funding for mental health programs,

00:01:16.380 school resource officers, and school safety upgrades.

00:01:20.040 Depending on what those things are, that's probably pretty good.

00:01:24.540 This is all great news.

00:01:26.480 But after taking this important step forward,

00:01:29.200 the state of Florida took a gigantic leap backwards.

00:01:32.540 Mixed in with all of the measures that actually will improve school safety,

00:01:36.580 the Florida House of Representatives got to work

00:01:38.820 doing what they really wanted to get out of this crisis,

00:01:42.180 and that is gun control.

00:01:43.960 First of all, the bill restricts firearm purchases for everyone under 21.

00:01:50.060 I don't even know where to begin on this one.

00:01:53.480 So let's start with the most obvious.

00:01:55.800 How can you approve a bill that nullifies the Second Amendment to anyone aged 18 to 20?

00:02:02.800 I mean, because when you get right down to it, that's what this does.

00:02:06.680 The state of Florida is now saying to their estimated 1 million or so adults

00:02:11.300 in this age bracket that the Bill of Rights does not apply to them.

00:02:16.540 Also, how many mass murderers in the past five years have been under the age of 21?

00:02:22.860 The answer is two.

00:02:25.760 The vast majority are in their upper 20s.

00:02:29.660 By the way, did any of those guys go out and buy those guns?

00:02:36.340 30s and 40s.

00:02:38.480 30s and 40s.

00:02:40.060 I want to give them any more fuel to crap all over the Second Amendment,

00:02:49.680 but we're not even targeting the right age group.

00:02:53.760 Upper 20s, 30s and 40s.

00:02:58.160 So to the 18-year-old living on your own and struggling to get by in a really rough neighborhood,

00:03:04.300 Florida has declared that it is safer for you not to be able to protect yourself.

00:03:09.060 If someone breaks into your home and attacks you, don't worry.

00:03:13.240 You only have to call the police and then wait.

00:03:17.580 Or most likely call the police after it's all over and hope that one of your neighbors will call the police.

00:03:23.980 The same applies to the 20-year-old single mother and the 19-year-old veteran who Florida agrees can carry a gun in a war zone,

00:03:33.240 just not really in the state.

00:03:35.620 The bill goes on to require a three-day waiting period to buy all guns, which is completely pointless,

00:03:43.080 and a mandate for background checks, which is already the law.

00:03:48.420 Florida took some good steps with allowing teachers to carry guns and allocating money for mental health and security upgrades.

00:03:55.420 But hidden within all of these cries of do something are always these little chunks of freedom that are slowly getting whittled away.

00:04:03.980 If you didn't watch last night's show, it is available on demand now at The Blaze.

00:04:10.600 We showed you how the Constitution is being raped, violently raped, every single one of the ten Bill of Rights, repeatedly.

00:04:22.760 And we are losing all of our rights.

00:04:26.040 We're losing them because we're all crying, something has to be done.

00:04:31.880 You can blame the NRA.

00:04:34.240 You can blame the gun manufacturer.

00:04:36.360 You can blame the school or the sheriff.

00:04:38.360 But in the end, the government blames you because the government is taking your rights away.

00:04:47.400 And if we are not careful, if we don't learn the Constitution and the Bill of Rights,

00:04:52.880 freedom will be a long-forgotten memory soon.

00:05:04.500 It's Thursday, March 8th.

00:05:07.020 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:05:09.280 You know, any foreigner that I know is not concerned about our gun rights.

00:05:14.360 And the reason why is they say it's never going to happen in America.

00:05:18.500 It'll never happen in America.

00:05:20.000 You guys, this is part of your Constitution.

00:05:21.980 It's not part of anybody else's Constitution.

00:05:24.940 I think two other countries have it.

00:05:26.960 In Mexico and Guatemala.

00:05:28.240 It is such an important cornerstone of the American Constitution.

00:05:33.040 And many countries define us as this.

00:05:37.180 And they're all like, you'll never do that.

00:05:38.880 It'll never happen.

00:05:39.940 You guys, I don't know why you guys are freaked out.

00:05:41.620 It'll never happen.

00:05:42.620 I think it's going to happen.

00:05:44.420 I think they're going to try.

00:05:46.700 All you need is a couple of more school shootings.

00:05:48.820 Let me say this.

00:05:51.480 No, I won't say that.

00:05:52.960 I can easily come up with a way where all of our rights are taken overnight.

00:05:59.680 And we will all be, we will all be chanting for it.

00:06:04.640 And I can 100% guarantee one scenario where the Second Amendment goes away, which is you stop defending it.

00:06:11.040 Yes.

00:06:11.440 The second you stop defending it, they will take every little bit of it.

00:06:14.320 Because, I mean, look, that's their whole, that's the whole goal.

00:06:17.620 I mean, you could tell this by the way they talk about guns.

00:06:20.400 Because, you know, even when, you know, do we, I can't take it.

00:06:24.520 I can't take it.

00:06:25.460 Is this the montage?

00:06:26.420 Do you want to hear this?

00:06:27.080 Okay, yeah.

00:06:27.500 Well, no, I've already heard.

00:06:28.780 I don't want to.

00:06:29.380 It is unbelievable.

00:06:30.280 This will make blood shoot out of your eyes.

00:06:32.040 Now, listen.

00:06:32.520 It leads to a larger point, though.

00:06:33.940 Yeah.

00:06:34.240 I want you to know, you don't have to be a gun expert to have an opinion on the Second Amendment.

00:06:40.960 The Second Amendment applies to all of us, whether you like it or not.

00:06:45.500 So you don't have to be a gun expert.

00:06:47.460 You don't have to be, well, I can tell you that the wind is now blowing from this direction,

00:06:52.980 and so I need to adjust my, you don't.

00:06:55.780 But you do need to know what the argument is.

00:06:59.700 You need to be able to know what a gun is, what it does, how it works.

00:07:05.840 If you're going to join and say, this gun has to be taken out.

00:07:10.620 Why?

00:07:11.560 Can you tell me why?

00:07:12.600 Listen to the media and what they say about guns.

00:07:20.120 Making sure that we don't have high-capacity rapid-fire magazines that allow mass killings.

00:07:25.840 Maybe we shouldn't have high-magazine clips.

00:07:28.160 Gas-assisted receiver firearms.

00:07:31.060 Machine gun magazines.

00:07:33.660 And what sounded like automatic rounds.

00:07:35.980 Seeing if we can get automatic weapons that kill folks in amazing numbers.

00:07:42.080 If I wanted to fire this on full semi-automatic, well, why do we need jumbo clips?

00:07:48.240 Do you know what a barrel shroud is?

00:07:50.920 I actually don't know what a barrel shroud is.

00:07:52.480 Oh, because it's in your legislation.

00:07:53.700 I think it's a shoulder thing that goes up.

00:07:54.880 No, it's not.

00:07:55.660 What the District of Columbia was trying to do was to protect toddlers from guns.

00:08:01.600 It is harder to buy cough medicine than it is to buy an AK-47 or 50 of them.

00:08:08.460 It is easier for a teenager to buy a Glock than get his hands on a computer or even a book.

00:08:14.320 It's legal to hunt humans with 15-round, 30-round, even 150-round magazines.

00:08:22.820 And he was not able to buy a weapon that shoots off 700 rounds in a minute.

00:08:27.400 Pistols are different.

00:08:28.120 You have to pull the trigger each time.

00:08:30.280 An assault weapon, you basically hold it, it goes.

00:08:32.720 It's not true.

00:08:33.860 No, those are fully automatic weapons.

00:08:35.640 This right here has ability with a .30 caliber clip to disperse with 30 bullets within half a second.

00:08:44.100 Use these silencers to make them more available, which, as you can imagine, their ears were hurting.

00:08:50.780 If you want to protect yourself, get a double-barrel shotgun.

00:08:53.900 Put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house.

00:08:59.600 If you ban them in the future, the number of these high-capacity magazines is going to decrease dramatically over time

00:09:07.780 because the bullets will have been shot and there won't be any more available.

00:09:11.600 But some of these bullets, as you saw, have an incendiary device on the tip of it, which is a heat-seeking device.

00:09:18.140 So you don't shoot deer with a bullet that size.

00:09:21.560 If you do, you could cook it at the same time.

00:09:23.840 But that deer deserves to get away.

00:09:26.000 Let's get serious here.

00:09:27.500 Boom!

00:09:29.600 Oh, my gosh.

00:09:30.540 A heat-seeking bullet.

00:09:32.500 I've never...

00:09:33.860 I want some of those.

00:09:35.240 Heat-seeking bullets.

00:09:37.460 Huh.

00:09:38.660 That's an inexplicable montage by the Washington Free Beacon.

00:09:42.780 The fact that those clips exist is so embarrassing.

00:09:47.260 And we're arguing with these people about the Second Amendment.

00:09:49.920 It's amazing.

00:09:51.220 First of all, you know, but this is...

00:09:53.820 If I want to turn this into a full semi-automatic weapon, it either is or it isn't a semi-automatic weapon.

00:10:03.700 You don't turn it from a John Wayne six-shooter into a semi-automatic.

00:10:10.660 Full means I'm going to clip it now.

00:10:13.520 I'm going to push it into the fully automatic, which means now I hold the trigger down and it's a machine gun.

00:10:21.440 Those are illegal.

00:10:22.420 When in this clip where Obama is saying, we need to get rid of these automatic weapons, we've gotten rid of the automatic weapons.

00:10:32.020 There's a ban on those.

00:10:35.500 You have to have...

00:10:37.640 It takes you a long time.

00:10:39.740 It took me a year to be able to go through the process to get the license to be able to have a fully automatic weapon.

00:10:49.840 It is probably...

00:10:51.160 The ones I have are probably $800 guns.

00:10:54.140 I paid over $20,000 for each of them.

00:10:57.680 I have two of them.

00:10:58.400 I want to fire them because they're fun.

00:11:01.440 I don't fire them because the laws around them are so strict that I'm afraid anytime I touch that gun or take that gun or somebody, God forbid, is going to touch that gun, that I go to prison.

00:11:15.380 So we've already pretty much taken care of those guns.

00:11:20.020 You notice that the bad guys have stopped getting those?

00:11:24.400 No.

00:11:25.360 You know why?

00:11:26.240 Because you can make one if you're really...

00:11:28.920 If you're handy, if you can just read a book and you're good with tools, you can find somebody or make it fully automatic.

00:11:42.920 You can do it.

00:11:43.940 You will also go to prison.

00:11:46.300 But I don't think the guys who are either...

00:11:49.180 The choice is, I know somebody who can make one of these for me and just going to keep it quiet because I'm a drug dealer.

00:11:56.680 Or I'm just going to go buy one.

00:11:58.560 I don't care if it costs me $100,000 because I'm a drug dealer.

00:12:03.380 Yeah, a guy in California just got arrested because he had built several weapons.

00:12:07.520 He was banned from having them.

00:12:08.840 Yes.

00:12:09.020 But he had built them himself.

00:12:10.340 Yes.

00:12:10.660 Because that's, you know, reality.

00:12:12.580 In today's world with technology, you don't have to be a gunsmith.

00:12:16.700 No.

00:12:17.120 To do it.

00:12:17.600 But again, going to the arguments here, you know, when you're asking us to take you seriously

00:12:24.560 when you go for a semi-automatic assault rifle ban, you don't have to...

00:12:30.920 I am not a gun nerd.

00:12:33.040 I don't...

00:12:33.360 I mean, we have had this happen before.

00:12:35.280 And it is frustrating, I will say, because there was an op-ed in the Washington Post.

00:12:38.920 And they were like, people are just gunsplaining to you.

00:12:42.020 So you bring up an argument and they just pick apart all the things that you said that

00:12:45.560 were wrong about the details of the guns.

00:12:47.280 And that's not important.

00:12:48.140 That's the left's new argument.

00:12:49.380 Because they don't know anything about guns.

00:12:50.760 They've given up trying to act as if they do.

00:12:53.180 And now the argument is stop acting like I can't have an opinion because you know more

00:12:58.800 about guns than I do.

00:12:59.660 All right.

00:13:00.060 Then you know what?

00:13:01.100 I'm going to stop.

00:13:02.160 I want you to stop acting like I have no right to opinions on race because I'm white.

00:13:08.860 Right.

00:13:09.080 I want you to stop telling me that I have no opinions on abortion because I'm a man.

00:13:16.180 All right.

00:13:16.740 You can't have it both ways.

00:13:18.500 It's ridiculous.

00:13:18.940 But I don't agree with that.

00:13:20.340 Right.

00:13:20.600 I don't either.

00:13:21.260 You can't have opinions.

00:13:21.900 You don't have to.

00:13:22.420 But you can have an opinion on the Second Amendment, but you cannot make the case about a certain

00:13:31.000 gun being banned if you don't know anything about that certain gun.

00:13:35.900 Yeah.

00:13:36.560 Now, it's true.

00:13:37.180 And what's interesting about it is there is one time where you can, I believe, you can

00:13:43.000 make an argument when you don't know anything about the difference between semi-automatic

00:13:46.940 and automatic or handguns and shotguns and assault rifles.

00:13:50.280 Or if you're the vice president and say, take your shotgun out and fire a couple of shots

00:13:53.980 in the air.

00:13:54.420 It's illegal to do that.

00:13:56.740 If you were an NRA member, you'd know that, Joe.

00:14:00.160 You'd know that.

00:14:01.180 You'd know that.

00:14:01.820 But you know when it is okay to have that opinion?

00:14:04.180 And you know when it doesn't matter when you know the difference between semi-automatic

00:14:07.700 and automatic guns?

00:14:08.660 When you're actually going after all guns.

00:14:12.260 You don't need to know the difference between semi-automatic and automatic if you're going for

00:14:16.380 all of them.

00:14:16.900 If your real argument is take them all away, then there's no need to learn about the differences

00:14:23.640 and why they are there and how they would be used and what effects they would have.

00:14:30.460 Because in reality, that's what they're arguing.

00:14:33.460 They know they can't get it right now.

00:14:35.720 They're looking for progressive steps towards the removal of all of them.

00:14:41.360 So there's no need for them to know the difference because is it a gun or not is the only fact

00:14:46.600 they need.

00:14:47.560 Does it kill people?

00:14:48.920 Is it a gun?

00:14:50.380 You don't need that kind of gun.

00:14:52.360 By the way, I just want to remind you that the assault rifle is actually a modern sporting

00:15:02.420 rifle.

00:15:02.920 It was not a weapon of war that was brought onto the market.

00:15:08.400 It was a hunting rifle in the 1950s.

00:15:12.780 In the 1950s that the Pentagon saw and went, that's just a better rifle.

00:15:19.420 Can we buy the rights to that and be able to make these for the military?

00:15:26.820 Yes, they were on the market as deer rifles, as hunting rifles, a decade before they went

00:15:36.220 to Vietnam.

00:15:37.860 So please stop with this is a weapon of war.

00:15:42.840 This is a modern sporting rifle.

00:15:45.540 You know, there's a couple of things we have to do.

00:15:53.520 I want to take I want to take people to the range with me.

00:15:58.860 If you are afraid of guns, if you are somebody who, you know, I just don't know where I stand

00:16:04.800 on this.

00:16:05.440 I am afraid of guns.

00:16:07.320 I want to and we'll we'll we'll try to come up with a way to do this tomorrow and have you

00:16:13.400 call in tomorrow, but I want to take some people to go to fire guns who have never done

00:16:18.280 it before, because unless you fired them, unless you know, you you have no concept, no

00:16:25.120 concept of the sport of rifles, the sport of guns and how they actually can save your

00:16:34.260 life, not just kill people.

00:16:37.500 Also, if you watched the push last night, we gave you a homework assignment.

00:16:41.640 If you watch the push, call us now, 888-727-BECK.

00:16:46.760 I want to switch gears and talk about the push.

00:16:50.560 We'll do that right now.

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00:18:08.480 Glenn Beck, Mercury.

00:18:15.200 Glenn Beck.

00:18:16.120 There's a lot to talk about today, a lot to cover.

00:18:23.500 We have, coming up in a little while, we have Ryan Holiday.

00:18:26.380 He wrote a book called Conspiracy that is really fascinating about one of the, I think, bigger

00:18:34.820 news stories of the day coming up in a little while.

00:18:38.040 Also, at the top of hour number three, we are going to talk a little bit about free trade.

00:18:45.020 And just the principles behind free trade.

00:18:48.220 Why is this a conservative principle?

00:18:50.320 Is it easy to win a trade war?

00:18:53.900 What's the history behind that?

00:18:55.700 And why is this an important thing for conservatives?

00:18:59.720 We'll deal with those coming up in a minute.

00:19:02.000 Also, yesterday, we talked about the push.

00:19:04.580 Yeah.

00:19:04.860 A lot of people watched it.

00:19:07.120 I like, Justin says, luckily, I was socially compliant and watched the push.

00:19:11.620 Now Glenn can spoil it.

00:19:13.740 I like that.

00:19:14.520 And also, another tweet at World of Stew is where you can tweet these.

00:19:19.340 I'm watching push and could not believe this.

00:19:21.680 It's blowing my freaking mind.

00:19:23.500 I'm so embarrassed for him.

00:19:24.600 I can't even look at the screen half the time.

00:19:26.520 It's, it is, it is terrifying.

00:19:30.180 Now, let me, before we start taking your phone calls on what you learned from it or what you

00:19:35.120 thought, it is a, it's a social experiment, except it's, it's, man, it's borderline reality show

00:19:43.500 too, you know, to where it was done.

00:19:46.460 Can you take an average person and convince them to murder a stranger in 90 minutes?

00:20:03.160 Not somebody that is, somebody just like you.

00:20:07.120 Can you get them to murder a stranger in 90 minutes?

00:20:11.020 And the results are shocking.

00:20:14.080 People who watch the push on Netflix, call us now.

00:20:17.440 We're going to take your phone calls.

00:20:18.380 Glenn Beck, Mercury.

00:20:27.700 You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

00:20:29.840 All right.

00:20:33.480 So the push is something on Netflix.

00:20:35.580 It was created by a, uh, a psychologist who is also a, a magician, uh, in, uh, England

00:20:45.180 and he does social experiments.

00:20:47.200 And this is a one episode.

00:20:50.300 It's not a series.

00:20:51.180 It's just one episode.

00:20:52.140 It's called the push on Netflix.

00:20:54.160 And it's a documentary kind of, um, it's a cross between.

00:20:59.840 A documentary and, uh, uh, reality show.

00:21:03.040 It's a, it's an uncomfortable mix.

00:21:05.520 Um, but what, what he's doing is, can we convince somebody, the average person to murder in 90

00:21:14.720 minutes?

00:21:15.640 And they start the episode with a, uh, with a phone call into a restaurant where a woman

00:21:23.220 is sitting with a, a baby stroller and a baby.

00:21:26.720 And they, somebody from the restaurant just picks up and they say, Hey, is this a so-and-so's

00:21:31.620 restaurant?

00:21:32.160 Yes.

00:21:32.520 Do you see a woman with a baby carriage?

00:21:34.520 Yes.

00:21:35.340 We're the police.

00:21:36.720 That baby is not hers.

00:21:39.340 We need you to distract her, get the baby.

00:21:42.920 Tell her that, that somebody is waiting for her on the phone, put the phone away, grab

00:21:47.340 the baby carriage, push it out of the restaurant, meet me at the corner.

00:21:51.400 Okay.

00:21:51.880 So they convince in three minutes, they convince somebody to steal someone's baby just because

00:21:58.120 he's a known child of doctor, but she wasn't, she wasn't.

00:22:01.060 And, and, and you're only taking the word of a stranger on the phone that he is the

00:22:05.060 police.

00:22:05.460 Okay.

00:22:05.880 It's fascinating.

00:22:07.420 Um, so then they say, all right, but what we're going to try to do is a lot harder.

00:22:11.080 And I think they have 90 actors and 90 minutes.

00:22:14.100 Everybody's in on it, except this one person.

00:22:15.840 They do it to four different people you find out.

00:22:19.280 Uh, and the idea is, can we create a social situation just through social pressure to get

00:22:26.620 these people to actually push a stranger off the top of a building in 90 minutes and kill

00:22:34.860 them?

00:22:35.960 It is unbelievable.

00:22:38.760 One of the most shocking things I've ever seen.

00:22:41.560 Can we give some classroom guidelines here?

00:22:43.400 Yes.

00:22:43.820 Okay.

00:22:44.040 So, uh, we gave you homework yesterday to watch the show.

00:22:46.960 Yes.

00:22:47.280 Um, if you didn't do your homework, that's going to be a problem.

00:22:50.980 However, uh, it won't cause it'll make you want to watch this even more.

00:22:54.280 Yeah, that's true.

00:22:55.040 Um, but, uh, if you are on the phone and you're calling in, we don't want to give away the

00:23:00.080 end of the episode.

00:23:01.380 Yeah.

00:23:01.560 I mean, we can talk about what happened in it, but we don't want to say anybody push or

00:23:06.260 not push.

00:23:06.980 Right.

00:23:07.420 We don't want to, we don't give that away.

00:23:09.420 Don't give that away.

00:23:10.120 The rest of it, I think is generally speaking, fair game.

00:23:12.540 Um, if you, uh, are super, you know, if you're going to watch it tonight, you might want to

00:23:16.140 think about, uh, we're going to try to be as careful as we can, but we're not going

00:23:19.940 to just, as long as we don't say it's fascinating, even if you know all the way along, because

00:23:23.620 the way they pulled this off is really remarkable.

00:23:26.000 And you're asking yourself the whole question when I do that, would I do that?

00:23:29.660 Cause it starts small.

00:23:32.180 Would you do it still?

00:23:34.120 Absolutely not.

00:23:35.420 No.

00:23:35.920 Where, how far along would you go?

00:23:37.820 I mean, the first one is funny for me because it's a vegetarian and, and it's, that's what

00:23:44.700 they do.

00:23:45.040 They put real meat hot dogs in the, and then they put flags that say they're vegetarian

00:23:49.340 in them because they don't have a vegetarian hot dogs.

00:23:51.620 Even that I wouldn't do because, but that's just a weird one for me.

00:23:54.820 I think in a normal situation, people would do that.

00:23:57.420 This whole situation is somebody is trying to help out this massive charity, well-known,

00:24:03.020 everybody who's anybody is involved and they're helping out the main person and their boss

00:24:09.980 is the one who hooked them up into this.

00:24:12.400 And so the first thing is they're in the kitchen and like, geez, man, the meat didn't, the vegetarian

00:24:16.600 meat didn't show up.

00:24:18.220 These are just real hot dogs.

00:24:19.620 Just, just put the vegetarian signs on this.

00:24:24.940 That's the first compliance.

00:24:25.980 And it's breaking down your, your will and getting you to comply little pieces at a time.

00:24:33.020 And to build to 90 minutes, you're going to kill somebody because we're asking you to

00:24:36.880 do it.

00:24:37.500 And it's amazing.

00:24:38.480 I'm very interested to see where people feel that they might bail out of it.

00:24:41.660 And were they disturbed by this show?

00:24:44.000 So I think the worst of me, the best of me stops at the vegetarian.

00:24:47.620 Cause I think that can make people sick.

00:24:49.340 You know, you're a vegetarian and you might have health reasons for doing that.

00:24:52.960 I hope the best of me says I stopped there.

00:24:55.520 The worst of me says I stopped somewhere between giving the speech.

00:25:02.140 Hopefully I don't give the speech and, uh, and moving the body to the stairwell.

00:25:09.040 I don't think I get to the stairwell.

00:25:11.480 I, and I, I think, I think I, I could get to the point where I put them in a box outside

00:25:17.060 of that.

00:25:17.600 I don't think I could go any further.

00:25:18.620 This is an amazing thing.

00:25:19.860 Okay.

00:25:20.480 So we go to Jeff in Chicago.

00:25:22.500 Hello, Jeff.

00:25:24.060 Good morning.

00:25:25.240 What were your, what were your thoughts?

00:25:27.260 Well, two pieces to this, Glenn.

00:25:29.240 First of all, the show is incredibly disturbing.

00:25:32.560 Um, I found myself watching this and, and thinking in my head, I wouldn't do that.

00:25:37.400 But then when you replay and you think the situation, the gentleman's been put in and

00:25:40.700 balancing this overall good of this, this charitable donation to, you know, can I just do this

00:25:49.520 to get to the overall good?

00:25:50.800 And what I found myself wondering is which percentages do these folks fall in about attending

00:25:55.440 church?

00:25:56.160 Right.

00:25:57.540 From yesterday.

00:25:58.740 Yeah.

00:25:59.260 From yesterday.

00:26:00.000 What's, what's the constant moral north that was guiding these individuals, right?

00:26:03.360 Because that's the ultimate balance here.

00:26:05.260 And, uh, I'll throw this at you because I'm not, I don't have the perfect, uh, tinfoil hat

00:26:10.300 that you do, but I'm, I'm trying a second show that I'll turn you, turn you on to that.

00:26:15.880 I would suggest you overlay with the push, uh, Carrie Byron, formerly of Mythbusters.

00:26:21.780 Uh, the three of them started a show on Netflix entitled white rabbit project.

00:26:26.620 Now it's a series, but you only need to watch the first episode in this first episode.

00:26:31.040 They try to replicate superpowers and they find a gentleman who successfully took a living

00:26:35.800 cockroach and turned it into a cyborg that she could control with her telephone.

00:26:40.320 Tell this live cockroach when to walk left, when to walk right.

00:26:44.760 The ultimate conclusion of it was the scientist who did this was able to put electrodes on

00:26:49.900 his arm, bridge them by a wire to electrodes on her arm.

00:26:54.800 And he could move her arm for her, whether she wanted to or not, but it was all fake.

00:27:04.060 It was all real.

00:27:08.440 All right.

00:27:09.080 All right.

00:27:09.660 Now I got another.

00:27:10.540 Thank you.

00:27:10.960 Thanks, Jeff.

00:27:12.180 Don't add any shows to it.

00:27:13.620 You can't assign the teacher homework.

00:27:15.960 Uh, let's go to Justin in Tennessee.

00:27:17.940 Hello, Justin.

00:27:19.860 Hey, Glenn.

00:27:20.760 Um, my wife and I watched the show last night and I was initially really disturbed and was

00:27:27.080 thinking I would never do this stuff, especially once it got to putting the body in the crate.

00:27:30.980 That was where I was like, I definitely wouldn't do that.

00:27:33.040 I've always prided myself as being a critical thinker and being willing to stand up and challenge

00:27:37.600 things.

00:27:38.180 Yeah.

00:27:38.500 But then I started thinking about my story.

00:27:41.060 I, as a teenager, I was a hardcore Republican.

00:27:44.640 I moved into libertarianism and then Christian anarchism, which is a whole nother thing.

00:27:50.120 Yeah, that is a whole nother thing.

00:27:51.920 And you can't assign me homework on that.

00:27:54.780 All right.

00:27:56.220 Tolstoy.

00:27:56.740 Tolstoy is a Christian anarchist.

00:27:58.020 Anyway, I'm still, I still consider myself that, but as I moved into that, I realized I

00:28:02.840 was, I was kind of more aligned with folks on the left.

00:28:06.460 Um, and I still occasionally would push back, but over the last, probably 2014 to 2016, I

00:28:13.080 was very much, I would even consider myself, I'd gotten to the point of being a social justice

00:28:17.220 warrior.

00:28:17.560 And sometime in 2016, I finally realized that I'm not thinking for myself anymore.

00:28:22.760 And so watching this, I was like, this same sort of thing has happened to me in different

00:28:27.300 ways.

00:28:27.800 I don't know that it would kill someone.

00:28:29.720 Yeah.

00:28:29.980 I will tell you, and I don't want to tell how people, uh, you know, what they did at

00:28:34.160 the end, but I thought it was really interesting.

00:28:35.620 The interviews with those subjects afterwards, um, who, uh, who talked and said, you know,

00:28:42.460 I have to rethink everything in my life.

00:28:44.440 I mean, I don't think that's where you would land.

00:28:46.640 You would.

00:28:47.060 You would.

00:28:47.500 And if you take this and you, and you really watch this and you look at it as a science

00:28:53.060 experiment and you also have, if you've ever read ordinary men, uh, which is a, uh, a real

00:29:01.380 deep scholarly look at how the Nazis turned the pole, the Polish, um, uh, the really good

00:29:07.960 men, uh, who were police officers into brutal killers.

00:29:12.220 It's the same story.

00:29:13.960 It's exactly the same story.

00:29:15.640 And so you kind of wonder, geez, would I do that or not?

00:29:19.340 Let me go to a cliff in West Virginia.

00:29:21.200 Hello, cliff.

00:29:23.060 Let me go to Kim.

00:29:25.160 Let me go to Kim in North Carolina.

00:29:26.840 Kim, are you there?

00:29:28.280 Hello.

00:29:28.920 Hi, Kim.

00:29:29.860 Hi guys.

00:29:30.600 Hi.

00:29:30.960 Uh, yeah, I saw it last night and it was disturbing, honest and true.

00:29:36.020 Um, I started watching it and like you said earlier, I kept asking myself, would I do that?

00:29:41.260 Would I go this far?

00:29:42.300 Would I go this far?

00:29:43.180 And I really don't think I would have gotten any fruit once, once they took them out of

00:29:47.480 the crate and put them at the stairwell.

00:29:49.320 Yeah.

00:29:49.720 That's when I would have said, sorry, I'm done.

00:29:51.920 Yeah.

00:29:52.260 I'm done.

00:29:52.800 You can't do this.

00:29:54.000 Did you, did you, did you, did you feel like, uh, it was morally okay for them to make that

00:29:59.720 show?

00:30:00.860 I, I'm very conflicted on that question.

00:30:03.700 I, I, in a way I think it, it, it, it is because it will open people's eyes to realizing

00:30:10.860 that we aren't as, um, oh, we're, we're, we're not, we're not as strong as we think we

00:30:17.120 are.

00:30:17.440 Yeah, exactly.

00:30:18.360 We're not, we're not, we're a lot more vulnerable than we think we are, you know, than we'd like

00:30:23.000 to be.

00:30:23.780 Um, when you said, when you said you found it disturbing, I found it the same way, but it's

00:30:28.320 different than like a horror movie that you're like, okay, saw that was disturbing.

00:30:32.160 There was no, there was no re there's no redeeming value in it.

00:30:36.220 This was disturbing because in a good way, because it, it made me examine me.

00:30:43.560 It made me, it put me into a very uncomfortable situation going, geez, I don't know.

00:30:48.300 Would I do that?

00:30:50.780 Would you agree with that, Kim?

00:30:52.200 All through the show.

00:30:53.260 Oh yeah.

00:30:53.900 Yeah.

00:30:54.100 Yeah.

00:30:54.320 I kept asking myself all through that.

00:30:56.020 Would I do that?

00:30:56.780 What would I do if I, if I was that, that guy, you know, how, how far would I have gotten?

00:31:02.260 And I mean, he kept saying no, no.

00:31:04.600 And then he eventually do it.

00:31:06.640 And I'm like, why are you doing that?

00:31:08.580 You know, it's uncomfortable.

00:31:09.700 You know, it's wrong.

00:31:10.760 Why are you doing that?

00:31:11.680 But at the same point, I'm sure all of us have our limits.

00:31:15.680 It's really, you know.

00:31:17.200 Yeah.

00:31:17.420 Kim, thank you for your call.

00:31:18.780 It really is interesting because it's not just the social pressure.

00:31:22.460 I mean, the social pressure really comes in towards the end, but it's not just the social

00:31:26.120 pressure.

00:31:26.500 It is the, the pressure of ends justify the means.

00:31:30.420 This is such a good.

00:31:32.760 And if I don't do this, it won't be good.

00:31:36.500 It's too important.

00:31:36.980 It's too important.

00:31:38.000 I have to do this.

00:31:38.560 I know I'm bending my principles, but this time it's too important.

00:31:41.840 Quickly, just to review, we're talking about The Push.

00:31:44.040 It's a Netflix show.

00:31:44.960 If you haven't seen it, moderate spoilers are sort of applying here.

00:31:48.140 We're not giving away the ending or anything like that, but we are discussing it.

00:31:50.300 And you'll still enjoy it even if you...

00:31:51.900 Yes, absolutely.

00:31:52.600 The idea is, would you, would you kill somebody?

00:31:56.960 In 90 minutes, can they take average people and, and, and in 90 minutes later, they've become

00:32:06.520 a cold blooded killer.

00:32:09.500 Yeah.

00:32:10.220 And, and it's interesting to hear every caller has said the same thing.

00:32:13.280 They'll go a little bit down this road, but I know I would have stopped here.

00:32:16.360 I know I would have stopped here.

00:32:17.360 What I found interesting about it was, you know, I guess people, we are really more vulnerable

00:32:21.780 than we thought.

00:32:22.560 And I find that to be interesting because aren't the same people who were in this situation

00:32:29.180 on the show likely would have sounded just like the callers and us who would say we would

00:32:33.500 have stopped at this point.

00:32:34.720 Yeah.

00:32:34.880 Um, but also the kind of judging others and saying like, Hey, you know, uh, we are more

00:32:39.540 vulnerable and that's the underlying, I think, message here.

00:32:41.840 There, there is an underlying message of the show, which is really informative for everything,

00:32:48.180 everything that you do in your life, which is you really need to have these decisions

00:32:53.380 made before you get to a stressful point.

00:32:56.120 Because when you get into the stressful moment, human beings will follow the path of least

00:33:00.860 resistance way too often.

00:33:02.420 You better have principles that stop you and, and the, each time.

00:33:07.040 And the answer would be every single time with these four people.

00:33:11.880 And it may have been, it may be this in the end that all four said, no, I won't kill.

00:33:17.360 All four may have said, I will kill.

00:33:19.480 But if you would have asked them at the beginning of the night, Hey, will you murder this person?

00:33:24.740 No way, no way, no way.

00:33:26.360 They would have laughed.

00:33:27.200 They would have walked away.

00:33:28.260 No way.

00:33:29.000 It's just that they had made compromises starting as small as putting a flag in a vegetarian,

00:33:37.120 uh, in a non-vegetarian dish that said vegetarian.

00:33:42.160 It's the small little compromises all the way.

00:33:45.620 And that's the thing you read in, if you read ordinary men, it didn't happen.

00:33:50.080 They didn't just, they didn't just all say, okay, I'm a good cop now to, I can just shoot

00:33:56.040 children in the head in the middle of the woods and put them in a big burial, uh, mound.

00:34:02.320 It didn't go that way.

00:34:03.680 It was small little things that they needed to get them to violate one at a time.

00:34:09.760 And we're in this together.

00:34:20.520 I really do want to have more of a conversation on, is it morally right to do this as a, almost as a reality show?

00:34:28.640 It wasn't, but it was so close to a reality show.

00:34:31.760 It was really, it's uncomfortable, uh, but I think important to watch.

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00:35:58.840 Glenn Beck Mercury.

00:36:07.780 Glenn Beck.

00:36:09.300 Isn't it amazing how, how, how influenced we are by, by others and how we all like at the very beginning of the show on Netflix, the push.

00:36:22.780 They, they, they select people or they disqualify people that could, you know, be part of this experiment by just getting them to go into a room with three actors.

00:36:33.400 Everybody, nobody knows their actors.

00:36:35.000 Um, and they go in with these actors, uh, and they're just filling out an application for something.

00:36:41.360 Nobody's talking.

00:36:42.060 They're just all working and they're standing by these chairs.

00:36:44.260 When the bell rings, the three actors sit down.

00:36:49.320 Then does the person who they're trying to figure out can be on the show.

00:36:53.380 Will he sit down or not?

00:36:55.160 And then when the bell rings twice, they stand up, bell rings, sit down, stand up, sit down.

00:37:00.160 It's amazing how many people do that.

00:37:02.380 And are we doing that now on social media?

00:37:06.140 Are we just hearing the bell ring and we see a story, we see a reaction, we hear a bell ring and we go to social media and we react the way the crowd is reacting.

00:37:22.360 Glenn Beck, Mercury.

00:37:30.500 Love, courage, truth.

00:37:33.980 Glenn Beck.

00:37:37.080 Political activism has infected one of the most important institutions in America.

00:37:42.680 Yes, McDonald's.

00:37:45.340 Since today is International Women's Day, McDonald's in California has flipped its golden arches upside down to resemble W.

00:37:55.780 Get it?

00:37:57.180 M, which is bad because a man, it starts with an M like McDonald's.

00:38:03.200 He turned upside down and now it's a woman.

00:38:05.300 Wow.

00:38:06.520 Another W word.

00:38:09.180 McDonald's is, you know, is, is following, following suit with all the digital platforms.

00:38:17.500 You know, maybe I'm, I'm crazy, but I think this is just a, you know, a cheap publicity.

00:38:22.800 So I don't think there's, there's not a single woman that I know or respect that would be driving by going, you know what?

00:38:28.580 Suddenly I am going to have that quarter pounder with cheese.

00:38:31.980 They respect me.

00:38:33.300 I mean, they employ women at all levels.

00:38:36.380 Many of the customers are women.

00:38:37.700 Many of the customers are not women.

00:38:39.800 You know, they make sure that they have boy, boy and girl centric happy meal toy options.

00:38:44.580 I mean, do we need to really celebrate women even more?

00:38:47.420 How about we get a transgendered Ronald McDonald and Grimace has always been.

00:38:54.440 I don't know if that's a man or a woman.

00:38:56.400 He is, he's cis neutral.

00:39:01.680 Anyone with a brain cell knows this is a pandering marketing campaign and it's working.

00:39:06.800 Everyone is covering it, but will it do anything?

00:39:09.760 I mean, does anybody think, oh, you know what I'm going to, I'm going to fight for that, that, uh, gender inequality in our society because McDonald's has turned their sign upside down.

00:39:23.080 I'm guessing it's not going to sell an extra hamburger.

00:39:25.800 I'm just guessing.

00:39:26.980 No, I would argue that McDonald's already does a great job at eradicating inequality between the sexes.

00:39:34.540 We're all equal when we pull up to that drive-thru and that window late at night and embarrassingly bark out an order and ask for two Big Macs and large fries.

00:39:44.460 Something that all of our mothers would have said, do not eat that crap.

00:39:48.640 We do it male or female and we all feel the same shame.

00:39:59.000 It's Thursday, March 8th.

00:40:01.520 This is the Glenn Beck program.

00:40:03.440 Do the ends justify the means?

00:40:07.260 Are there real white hats and black hats anymore?

00:40:11.920 Can you actually be a white hat taking down a black hat if you've done them in nefarious ways?

00:40:23.980 Are you wearing a gray hat or are you wearing a black hat?

00:40:28.040 There are so many things today that, uh, we'd all like to see, you know, dishonest, bad media go away and collapse on its own weight.

00:40:39.400 We, we might even cheer when something like Gawker, which was a despicable website.

00:40:47.040 When Gawker went out of business and, uh, had to shut down, we might all cheer.

00:40:52.720 However, are we comfortable with the idea that a billionaire can conspire and make that happen?

00:41:02.020 Even though the end is good.

00:41:06.040 Ryan Holiday, uh, is, uh, is an author.

00:41:08.980 He wrote a great book called Trust Me, I'm Lying, which is a fantastic read to go back to see how the news you see every day gets to you.

00:41:16.960 It's a, it's a, it's a sausage.

00:41:19.480 It's incredible.

00:41:20.480 You'll find teeth and shoes in it.

00:41:22.300 You have to read that.

00:41:23.500 Uh, the new book is Conspiracy.

00:41:25.120 Peter Thiel, Hulk Hogan, Gawker, and the Anatomy of Intrigue.

00:41:29.000 Uh, and it's, it brings us through this entire story and Ryan joins us now.

00:41:33.880 So Ryan, can you, can you tell this story like only you can tell this story before we get into what we are supposed to learn from it?

00:41:42.160 Well, it's, it's an almost unbelievable story.

00:41:44.920 Uh, in 2007, Gawker Media, a gossip website in New York City, uh, has a Silicon Valley arm called Valleywag, and they out the Silicon Valley investor, Peter Thiel, as gay.

00:41:57.160 He's at that point, uh, the founder of PayPal.

00:42:00.160 He was an early investor in Facebook, but a relatively unknown person whose sexuality was known to his friends, but he was not publicly gay.

00:42:09.740 Um, he's, he's humiliated by this.

00:42:12.120 He's frustrated by it.

00:42:13.300 He's hurt.

00:42:13.740 Uh, Gawker's headline, I believe was Peter Thiel is totally gay people.

00:42:18.360 So imagine your most sensitive, you know, secret being made public in such a flippant way.

00:42:23.860 And he, he, he finds this, uh, not to be illegal, but to be disgusting.

00:42:29.140 And hang on just a second, uh, Ryan, when, when this happens with Gawker, is this, uh, because I find Gawker despicable.

00:42:36.700 They, they've done things to me and my family that are just despicable.

00:42:39.880 Um, but on this, people were saying, well, uh, you, we should out people because that's only going to make, you know, people more comfortable with, you know, with gay people if they know you're around them all the time.

00:42:53.200 So were they using the ends justify the means at that time to do something good?

00:42:57.700 Or are they just dirt bags?

00:43:00.320 I think it's, I think it's a little bit of both, right?

00:43:02.480 I think they thought, uh, why should he get to keep this secret?

00:43:06.500 And, and, and I think they also thought, why is it, why should it be a secret?

00:43:11.060 This isn't something to be ashamed of.

00:43:13.320 But the truth is he didn't want it to be public.

00:43:16.800 And I believe that's his prerogative.

00:43:18.860 Yes.

00:43:19.120 It's his story to tell, not anybody else's.

00:43:21.620 And so he sort of despairs of being able to do anything about it for five years.

00:43:26.520 He just sort of sits on this.

00:43:28.160 Uh, he's frustrated.

00:43:29.280 He's hurt by it.

00:43:30.340 Uh, but he can't do anything about it.

00:43:32.140 And, uh, it's, it's only, um, in 2012, when Gawker makes, makes another enemy, they run

00:43:40.940 a illegally recorded sex tape of the professional wrestler, Hulk Hogan, uh, that Teal sees the

00:43:48.380 opportunity that he's been looking for this whole time that he'd been looking for.

00:43:52.480 He'd hired a lawyer to, to spot opportunities like this.

00:43:55.540 He approaches Hulk Hogan and he says, look, what they did to you is not only despicable.

00:43:59.400 I think it's illegal, both federally and in Florida, where you're a resident, I will fund

00:44:05.260 this.

00:44:05.820 Teal approaches him through an intermediary.

00:44:07.620 This is totally in secret.

00:44:09.200 I will fund this case as far as you're willing to take it.

00:44:12.860 And he approaches a number of other people of similar cases.

00:44:15.540 And then, uh, for, for, for the next four years, this case winds its way through the legal system.

00:44:21.640 And he eventually wins a, uh, $140 million bankruptcy inducing verdict against Gawker in Florida to the

00:44:31.500 shock of, of all onlookers and, and legal strategists at the time.

00:44:36.260 Um, and, and, and he achieved that thing that he had set out to do in 2007, which was to both get his

00:44:42.400 revenge and to prevent this, uh, this website that he believed to be evil from doing what it did to

00:44:50.220 people.

00:44:51.200 So I, I know Peter, he is a very, you know, generally quiet, uh, guy.

00:44:57.480 Um, uh, you know, he, he's, he's a, he's an odd duck.

00:45:01.700 Um, he's a, he's a really nice guy.

00:45:05.060 Uh, doesn't seem like a guy who's driven by vengeance, but does sound like a guy or feels like a guy who

00:45:11.560 will take all the time necessary in the world.

00:45:15.520 He is not in any hurry.

00:45:18.220 He'll wait until it's right.

00:45:21.180 Well, that's what's so brilliant about what he did.

00:45:23.640 I think most of us, when something is done to us, we react.

00:45:27.300 We, we respond, right?

00:45:28.740 A fight breaks out a conspiracy to me is more something that brews that develops.

00:45:34.300 And that's what was so brilliant about Peter.

00:45:36.480 He didn't, he said, look, what they did to me, I don't think was right.

00:45:39.640 And I'm, I'm, I'm angry about it, but it's never good to be driven by anger.

00:45:44.540 And so instead he stepped back.

00:45:46.780 He never forgot what happened, but he looked for an opportunity where he actually had legal,

00:45:52.700 legal ground to stand on where he actually could have an impact where the

00:45:57.280 public would be so universally repulsed by what these people did that he would have a

00:46:02.700 shot at, at making a difference.

00:46:04.080 And so I think both that patience and that ability to be strategic is why he was able

00:46:10.700 to solve a problem.

00:46:11.840 If that's what you want to call it, that many other powerful people had looked at and said,

00:46:16.840 basically, there's nothing you can do about this.

00:46:19.500 But he didn't do, did he become the thing that he despised?

00:46:24.920 I don't get the impression that he did.

00:46:27.360 He, he, he did this on the up and up.

00:46:31.200 The only thing, the reason why it's conspiracy is he didn't want to be out front, but now

00:46:35.660 that it's known, he doesn't mind.

00:46:37.700 I mean, he's owning it now.

00:46:39.580 Sure.

00:46:40.160 I, look, I think secrecy is a fundamental element of a conspiracy and, and I, and I

00:46:45.760 respect that he was willing to see that the optics of a billionaire being publicly in front

00:46:51.100 of this thing completely changes how the public would look at it.

00:46:55.040 But he, you know, he said to me, he got this advice from one of his friends.

00:46:57.840 He, uh, his friend said, Peter, you know, you have to choose your enemies carefully because

00:47:02.220 you become just like them.

00:47:04.060 And so that's really the, the danger of, you know, spending nine years scheming to destroy

00:47:09.700 or, uh, ruin someone or something is that you study them so much.

00:47:15.440 They consume so much, uh, of your mental bandwidth that you can kind of become like them.

00:47:20.900 I don't think that he became anything like, uh, Gawker, but, um, for instance, there's a

00:47:28.000 seminal moment in jury selection where they noticed that overweight female jurors are,

00:47:34.060 are the most sympathetic to their case.

00:47:36.520 And now that's not, uh, disgusting, but there is an element of unpleasantness in selecting

00:47:42.600 a juror to then exploit their most vulnerable body issue.

00:47:46.960 But don't, don't you think that that, that that's done in the court system every day of

00:47:53.120 the week?

00:47:54.580 Well, I agreed, but my, my point is, I think we, we tend to be idealists, idealists about

00:48:01.360 change.

00:48:01.900 We think that we can, we can make change without getting our hands dirty or without dealing

00:48:07.320 with some of this unpleasantness.

00:48:09.060 And so there's compromises in pursuing something of this magnitude.

00:48:13.360 And I think Peter was so committed to what he was, uh, doing that he, he felt that that,

00:48:18.740 that, that end did justify, that means did justify the end.

00:48:22.700 So Ryan has spent a lot of time with Peter Thiel, Peter Thiel.

00:48:27.060 This is not an anti Peter Thiel book.

00:48:28.780 This is Peter work side by side.

00:48:31.300 Uh, he had unprecedented access to Peter.

00:48:34.460 Uh, and, uh, while Peter didn't, I don't think Ryan, unless there's another conspiracy,

00:48:40.000 he didn't fund this book.

00:48:41.960 Uh, he just gave, he just gave access more with Ryan holiday.

00:48:45.720 The book is conspiracy and there's some tough questions that we have to ask ourselves more

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00:50:18.840 Glenn Beck, Mercury.

00:50:28.120 Glenn Beck.

00:50:29.140 We're with Ryan Holiday.

00:50:30.720 He is the author of a book called Conspiracy, Peter Thiel, Hulk Hogan, Gawker, and the anatomy

00:50:36.800 of intrigue.

00:50:38.420 It's a really, it's a very tough question that we have to tackle, but I want to get a

00:50:42.460 couple of more facts out of the way here before we do with Ryan.

00:50:45.320 Ryan, a couple of things that have been picked up from the book.

00:50:47.220 One thing that Peter had conversations about his strategy trying to get Gawker to go away,

00:50:56.240 and they discussed at least seemingly, and it comes off a little flippantly, but at least

00:51:01.280 considered doing things that were actually illegal when it comes to the approach.

00:51:07.600 What was the example, Stu?

00:51:10.240 Well, I'm sure Ryan can walk us through the examples.

00:51:13.960 I don't have them in front of me.

00:51:15.120 Go ahead, Ryan.

00:51:16.040 It struck me as a little bit of a tempest and a teapot of the media coverage, because

00:51:19.340 it's like getting in trouble for thinking about speeding and then not speeding.

00:51:23.260 But if you think about Thiel's position, he finds Gawker to be this great evil.

00:51:28.420 He's trying to do something about it.

00:51:29.900 But as a billionaire, he has essentially limitless resources.

00:51:33.380 He's also the majority owner of one of the most powerful intelligence and defense companies

00:51:38.820 on the planet.

00:51:39.620 So he has these immense resources.

00:51:42.600 And so it's a question then of which of them is he going to use and what limitations is

00:51:48.960 he going to impose on himself?

00:51:51.320 So theoretically, could he hire private detectives to follow Gawker writers and attempt to find

00:51:59.020 dirt on them?

00:51:59.980 That would be embarrassing.

00:52:01.140 Could he start a rival website that would focus nothing but nothing on their personal lives?

00:52:07.260 Could he bribe employees to leak information to him?

00:52:12.480 Could he lobby politicians to go after them?

00:52:16.720 There's many things that he could do.

00:52:19.440 But what he decides actually early on, after sort of laying all these options out on the

00:52:24.420 table, is that he wants only to do what's legal and ethical because he's both, I think, an

00:52:32.100 ethical and moral person, but also because at some point your involvement is made public.

00:52:38.820 At some point you win.

00:52:40.940 And then the public looks at what you did and they judge you for this, right?

00:52:45.260 And so his belief was that if they accomplished this thing they were trying to accomplish

00:52:50.120 with unethical or illegal means, the victory wouldn't stand.

00:52:55.340 And it would also be, as we were talking about earlier, it would be Pyrrhic in the sense that

00:52:59.420 it would come at a great cost to himself because he would have had to become the thing that

00:53:05.520 he was trying to change in the first place.

00:53:07.920 I have to tell you, this is kind of being spun as an anti-Peter Thiel book.

00:53:13.360 And just that alone speaks volumes.

00:53:17.520 I mean, I don't know how many billionaires there are that would have the self-control

00:53:23.200 that he had to say, no, I want to do it the right way.

00:53:27.580 Can you tell me anything?

00:53:28.540 Because you have an exclusive in this about a guy named Mr. A.

00:53:33.300 What is, who?

00:53:34.420 I know you're not going to tell me who, but what is Mr. A's role?

00:53:37.920 Well, that is one of the weirdest twists of this story, this incredibly well-covered story.

00:53:42.360 I think people thought, I guess myself included, thought like Peter Thiel was involved on a

00:53:47.800 day-to-day basis.

00:53:49.200 And in fact, he sort of follows the startup model, which is in 2011, he has dinner with

00:53:55.920 this promising young college graduate who has told Peter he has an idea.

00:54:00.640 And they sit down to dinner.

00:54:02.320 And this kid says, Peter, I think I can solve your Gawker problem.

00:54:06.200 I think that buried in their archive of posts are illegal acts or acts that make them vulnerable

00:54:14.680 to civil judgment.

00:54:16.620 And I think he says, if you give me $10 million in three to five years of time, I think I can

00:54:22.740 make something happen here.

00:54:24.220 And basically on the spot, Peter invests in this kid.

00:54:26.820 And this kid is Peter's go-between, his operative, who hires the attorneys, who vets the cases,

00:54:35.080 who makes the decisions day-to-day.

00:54:37.500 And Peter is, in the way that Peter puts $500,000 in Mark Zuckerberg's hands, and he goes and

00:54:44.140 makes Facebook, Mr. A goes and makes this conspiracy a reality.

00:54:49.040 So what do you think Mr. A is going to be doing now?

00:54:52.380 Well, I would imagine when you solve a problem for a billionaire like this, the world is sort

00:54:58.540 of your oyster from that point forward.

00:55:00.880 I think he's got basically limitless options now and has one patron who's probably willing

00:55:08.300 to back him on any project under any condition.

00:55:11.900 Holy cow.

00:55:12.980 What was Peter's motivation in cooperating with you, Ryan, on this book?

00:55:19.660 Well, as I'm sure you guys have seen, just seeing the coverage and now talking to me,

00:55:25.420 this is a story that has been intensely covered, but with such bias and such sort of tribal instincts

00:55:32.840 on behalf of the media, because the media sees what happens to Gawker and they think,

00:55:38.000 oh, that could happen to us.

00:55:39.660 Let's circle the wagons.

00:55:41.240 So there's been this incredible amount of judgment about what's happened.

00:55:44.860 And I think that's greatly impacted the coverage, right?

00:55:47.760 It's to such a degree that Peter has become, in many people's eyes, this sort of James Bond villain.

00:55:55.620 And that's really not what he is when you meet him and you see what he did and why he did it.

00:56:01.380 And so I think, you know, I'd written critically about Gawker many times.

00:56:04.820 You know, myself, my emails were once hacked and leaked to Gawker.

00:56:08.600 And so I know what that feeling is like.

00:56:11.300 So I was willing to at least be fair.

00:56:13.740 You know, I told Peter, look, you're not going to get to see the book before it's printed.

00:56:16.720 You're not going to have any input on it.

00:56:18.920 I'm going to play it down the middle.

00:56:20.260 But I think he at least believed that I would play it down the middle rather than, you know,

00:56:25.160 holding him up as the villain if that wasn't true.

00:56:27.560 So, Ryan, there's...

00:56:30.720 If...

00:56:32.720 I'm just trying to think this through.

00:56:34.220 If a billionaire, let's say George Soros, who is not a friend of mine.

00:56:37.160 If he decided to go after me and I was doing some...

00:56:43.660 The blaze was doing things that were blatantly illegal.

00:56:47.140 And I don't mean, you know, death by a million paper cuts with a billionaire could do.

00:56:51.760 I don't think I would have...

00:56:52.900 I don't think I would have sympathy for Peter if he had just been paper cut after paper cut,

00:56:58.240 technicality after technicality, just keep him in court and bleed him dry.

00:57:01.500 I don't think this is a problem for the First Amendment

00:57:06.440 if they're going after things that are really, truly illegal and they're big.

00:57:14.640 And I'd like to get your response on that when we come back.

00:57:18.800 Glenn Beck, Mercury.

00:57:48.800 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:57:59.620 I am...

00:58:01.020 I'm currently on a couple-week rant of,

00:58:05.940 we've got to do something and how that always leads to bad things.

00:58:09.460 You just don't make good decisions when you're angry, upset, emotionally.

00:58:13.560 We've got to do something.

00:58:14.760 It usually also means I'll violate my principles because I want this pain to stop.

00:58:22.820 So what are our principles?

00:58:24.180 I didn't like Gawker.

00:58:27.360 Gawker did some things that were dangerous for my family.

00:58:31.580 I thought they were despicable people.

00:58:34.640 And I did wish them to go out of business.

00:58:38.580 But I wouldn't have done anything to get them to go out of business.

00:58:44.340 And I like the way Peter Thiel did this.

00:58:47.540 He waited to see, is there something that they have done that breaks the law?

00:58:51.540 When they had Hulk Hogan, that was an illegally recorded tape.

00:58:56.820 And for what?

00:58:58.060 What was the purpose of exposing that?

00:59:01.200 So Peter took them to court on that.

00:59:04.000 The problem is, is he's a billionaire, has unlimited sources.

00:59:07.840 And are we setting a precedent that that somebody who has an axe to grind can put another company out of business?

00:59:17.080 One man can put a media company out of business if they want to.

00:59:21.640 Are we did anybody learn that lesson in a negative way?

00:59:26.340 Ryan is with us.

00:59:27.040 Ryan Holliday is the author of the book Conspiracy.

00:59:29.520 Peter Thiel, Hulk Hogan, Gawker, and the Anatomy of Intrigue.

00:59:33.960 What have you come to, Ryan, on that?

00:59:36.180 Well, that is the big question.

00:59:37.960 And it is potentially scary to think that a billionaire could shut a media outlet down.

00:59:43.540 And then when you step back, you know, your point about not reacting emotionally.

00:59:47.600 Well, did Peter actually do anything new that doesn't happen every day anyway, right?

00:59:52.220 The ACLU, the Sierra Club, the NRA, they back cases all the time that they think move their ideology forward or stands up for one of their constituents.

01:00:05.280 And so the idea of a wealthy person backing a lawsuit, not out of financial gain but out of ideological alignment, is actually, you know, not remotely new.

01:00:14.960 And if you were to ban it, society would undoubtedly become a worse place, right?

01:00:19.580 Why shouldn't your rich uncle be able to support you against a person who, you know, ran into you with their truck, right?

01:00:27.040 So there's the legal question, which I think he did everything right.

01:00:32.580 And then there's the ethical question, which I think he did everything right.

01:00:37.560 But you have to ask that ethical question, too.

01:00:41.640 And would you have felt different if he would have taken Gawker on with almost frivolous lawsuits and just done death by a thousand paper cuts?

01:00:51.980 Do you think it would have been a different story for you?

01:00:55.080 Absolutely, because there you're not actually attempting to win.

01:00:58.220 You're not attempting to have your argument validated.

01:01:01.780 You're attempting to destroy someone for something that they may have not actually done wrong.

01:01:08.340 And so Peter's decision, for instance, not even to attack on First Amendment grounds because he believes that that is sacred, but to look instead at the individual's right to privacy, right?

01:01:20.280 Is there a newsworthiness in this sex tape or is there a copyright claim here?

01:01:26.660 He specifically did not sue them on, say, frivolous, libel, or defamation grounds because he was worried about the precedent that it might set, and he didn't believe there was anything wrong there.

01:01:39.640 So his distinction is really, really important.

01:01:43.360 And I think, you know, a potential hypothetical would be what if a liberal had backed Shirley Sherrod in her lawsuit against Breitbart when they ran that deliberately edited manipulative tape of her in, I believe it was 2011.

01:02:01.420 And I don't think many of the people who are deeply upset about what happened to Gawker, I don't think they would be upset if Breitbart had gone out of business in 2012.

01:02:10.480 I think they'd be cheering it the exact same way.

01:02:12.660 Go ahead, follow up.

01:02:14.660 Very interesting.

01:02:15.580 Yes, that's absolutely true.

01:02:17.320 I wanted to get your take out quickly on, I can't remember the guy's name who actually wrote the story, but he's become somewhat of a cause celeb on the left of a guy because he's not the guy, he's not Nick Denton who ran Gawker, but the guy who actually just did the post.

01:02:34.520 He's a, you know, he's a lowly convoluted.

01:02:36.280 He did Hilario, yeah.

01:02:36.780 Yes, yes.

01:02:37.240 He's, you know, and like just a writer and he's working for Gawker, not making a ton of money.

01:02:41.500 He, and he was involved in this lawsuit and he has been presented as this guy who got in the middle of this thing and he was helpless in this situation.

01:02:50.540 And now he has no chance of making any money.

01:02:52.960 He owes like, you know, an ungodly amount of money for this lawsuit and can't do anything about it.

01:02:58.320 He wasn't wealthy.

01:02:59.180 He didn't own Gawker.

01:03:00.720 Can you give any perspective on that and how you see that, that went, how that went down?

01:03:03.860 Yeah, so in a way, he's just doing his job.

01:03:06.760 Like, Gawker publishes these stories all the time.

01:03:09.800 It's so unremarkable when he gets the whole Kogan tape that Nick Denton, the CEO, isn't even notified, right?

01:03:15.360 The case that bankrupts the company, the CEO doesn't know about it until after it's published because that's how run of the mill it actually was.

01:03:23.440 And so, yes, it was unfortunate that this individual, this writer doing this job, takes the full brunt of it in the public eye, you know, during the trial, and then is held liable.

01:03:35.300 So the jury says, holds him personally liable for about $100,000 of this $140 million judgment.

01:03:44.120 But what people forget is that months after the verdict, Peter and Hulk Hogan settle with Gawker that releases both Denton and Delario from these individual claims.

01:03:57.460 And they're able to walk free.

01:03:59.120 You know, they were not necessarily ruined by it.

01:04:02.920 And Peter said, like, look, my goal was to destroy Gawker, not to ruin these people personally, but individuals are held accountable for their actions, and that's life.

01:04:15.400 I mean, we all have choices.

01:04:17.100 No matter if everybody else is doing it, we still have a choice.

01:04:20.680 You know, I'm so intrigued by Peter.

01:04:23.200 I think he's a real force for good, and I think he's a deep and thoughtful man.

01:04:29.160 Um, uh, that doesn't make everything that he, everything that he does, uh, right or good, but he, he really seems to think about things.

01:04:39.920 And he, um, I heard him say once, I, it's not that I, I think I'm right.

01:04:45.580 I, I'm not even sure if I'm right.

01:04:47.800 I just don't think other people are even thinking about these things.

01:04:51.540 Yes.

01:04:52.220 What does that tell you about him?

01:04:53.420 He would say that even about this case, that it's often not that, uh, he was right and other people were wrong.

01:05:00.320 It's that Gawker wasn't even, Gawker just assumed that this whole Kogan case would get settled.

01:05:05.900 They weren't even taking it seriously.

01:05:07.620 And so Peter is a person who has theories about the world, and he's willing to, as Nassim Taleb would say, put some skin in the game, right?

01:05:15.320 He's, he's willing to, to throw some weight behind them and, and see what happens.

01:05:19.520 And I think, uh, to me, the lesson of what happened and what I tried to write about in the book is that you can fundamentally disagree with what Peter did.

01:05:27.620 And you can think that it's dangerous and alarming that Gawker doesn't exist anymore, but there is something to study, a lesson to learn about how this guy did it and why he did it and how he was able to effectuate the change that he believed needed to happen outside of, you know, writing op-eds or putting out a petition.

01:05:48.460 You know, he, he, he, he made real change in the real world where other people said there was nothing you could do about it.

01:05:56.000 And to me, that's a lesson that, that in some ways, that's an inspiring thing right now in this society where we're stuck, you know, on both sides of the aisle.

01:06:06.720 We, we, I think we just feel like change can't happen and hear a guy made something happen.

01:06:12.580 Yeah.

01:06:13.020 When, when, when I saw that in the book, that, uh, that phrase, um, I, I, I thought to myself, that is something that, uh, the, the world is not even, um, rewarding now.

01:06:25.700 It doesn't reward you to think it doesn't reward you to think out of the box and to think differently.

01:06:31.000 Um, and it doesn't reward you to say, I'm not sure if I'm right.

01:06:35.240 I just want us to think about that.

01:06:38.220 Uh, and, uh, and that's really what we're missing.

01:06:41.380 And the irony is that in some ways, Gawker was part of that problem, right?

01:06:46.900 I think one of Teal's objections to them is not just the despicable things that they did and the violations of privacy,

01:06:53.540 but as the site that just sort of made fun of everyone for every mistake, every failure, every personal idiosyncrasy,

01:07:01.840 they were disincentivizing people from thinking outside the box, from being weird.

01:07:07.020 And weirdness is where innovation comes from and creativity.

01:07:11.460 And we should want people to take risks and turn out to be wrong.

01:07:14.960 What we don't want to do is mercilessly mock them to the point where nobody tries anything

01:07:21.160 because they don't want to end up on the front page of Gawker.com or, or any website.

01:07:26.680 Ryan Holiday, thank you very much.

01:07:28.660 Thanks for having me.

01:07:29.280 I think we sold you on that story.

01:07:34.940 That's a, that's a pretty, uh, Ryan, Ryan tells it well.

01:07:37.860 And there's a lot in here that has not previously been reported on it.

01:07:41.340 Conspiracy, Peter Thiel, Hulk Hogan, Gawker, and the anatomy of intrigue by Ryan Holiday.

01:07:46.440 And also we should have Ryan back on at some point.

01:07:48.980 Uh, for trust me, for trust me, I'm lying.

01:07:50.980 Yeah, it is.

01:07:52.080 He is a guy who has a firsthand, uh, uh, firsthand experience really with, um, uh, with fake news.

01:08:02.500 Yeah.

01:08:02.980 I mean, it was really kind of his job as a PR person, uh, and he knows how it works and

01:08:09.280 it's really fascinating.

01:08:10.880 Yeah.

01:08:11.080 We'll have to have that.

01:08:11.720 He's, uh, quickly on the, the concept of that book was that he would, you know, those

01:08:15.840 weird stories that bubble up to the national media and you're like, how did we even hear

01:08:19.260 about that?

01:08:19.720 It was his job to try to get them elevated from, from a blog to local media, to regional

01:08:26.360 media, to national media, to try to get attention for clients and all sorts of stuff.

01:08:31.140 So he was like in the media manipulation business for a long time.

01:08:35.180 And you know what?

01:08:35.620 It goes to, remember the first thing that I said when we went to CNN and I said, I'm really

01:08:39.980 uncomfortable with this, the ingesting of news.

01:08:42.840 Oh yeah.

01:08:43.220 Because if you make one mistake, it, that is your basis forever.

01:08:47.240 Uh, and it's interesting because what he did was it was on a blog and then he would call

01:08:52.180 the local news and say, did you see this?

01:08:54.200 This blog, you see this blog.

01:08:55.620 And they would use that as a credible source.

01:08:57.820 And then he'd go to the regional news and say, did you see this in the newspaper?

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01:11:02.620 Glenn Beck, Mercury.

01:11:09.440 Glenn Beck.

01:11:12.200 Oh, let's see.

01:11:13.180 We've got a lot.

01:11:13.880 We're going to, coming up in a few minutes, the conservative case for free trade.

01:11:19.620 Why does free trade matter?

01:11:22.100 And we get into that coming up in just a second.

01:11:25.580 Apparently, America also has a drunk shopping problem.

01:11:29.920 A drunk shopping problem?

01:11:31.120 Yes.

01:11:31.920 Americans spent an average of $448 per person in drunk purchases in 2017, which seems really

01:11:40.760 high.

01:11:41.940 But they did a survey of 2,000 adults and found out that number.

01:11:46.000 I mean, it is one of those things.

01:11:47.560 It is easier to buy things when you've had a couple.

01:11:50.200 Are you?

01:11:50.660 I will say that's true.

01:11:52.200 It sounds like, speaking from experience there, Stu.

01:11:55.400 I did have an interesting experience fairly recently.

01:11:58.200 I went to a Christmas party.

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01:12:15.820 Now, a toilet light is a light, it's a little LED light, and it hangs over the side of your

01:12:20.740 toilet.

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01:12:37.960 Oh, so it's like a disco in your toilet.

01:12:40.020 It's like a disco in your toilet.

01:12:40.800 Yeah, all right.

01:12:41.420 Now, after a few drinks, that sounded like the greatest invention of all time.

01:12:45.360 Sure.

01:12:46.180 And at the party, with Amazon in my pocket, I purchased the toilet light.

01:12:51.280 Shockingly, after a couple more drinks, I did not remember that I ordered a toilet light

01:12:56.340 until I came home and my wife was like, what the hell is this thing?

01:13:00.780 Now, I have toilet lights in, I think, every toilet in the house.

01:13:03.600 They're fantastic.

01:13:04.740 It was a brilliant purchase.

01:13:06.160 So, wait, you didn't, it wasn't just one.

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01:13:09.180 I actually ordered one.

01:13:10.520 Oh, you ordered one.

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01:13:21.140 Take the podcast of today's show, have a couple beers, then listen to this segment, and you

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01:13:27.120 That's the greatest, Stu.

01:13:28.600 I love you so much.

01:13:29.960 That's the greatest idea I've ever heard.

01:13:32.680 If you're really drunk, you'll have the toilet light to light up when you're heaving over

01:13:36.960 the toilet in the middle of the night later on.

01:13:39.680 Correct.

01:13:40.260 It's positive on all ends.

01:13:42.380 So, let me ask you this.

01:13:43.960 Conspiracy theory has spread among Facebook and Instagram users.

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01:13:51.580 Facebook says it's not.

01:13:52.980 Facebook does not use your phone's microphone to inform ads or to change what you see in the

01:13:57.500 news feed.

01:13:58.900 Sure.

01:13:59.660 Yeah.

01:14:00.220 Right.

01:14:01.500 They say what they say what's happening is they're basically following everything that

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01:14:12.540 Yeah.

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01:14:16.460 It's essentially their answer.

01:14:17.400 Right.

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01:14:29.920 Okay.

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01:15:02.940 Glenn Beck.

01:15:04.500 Right now in America, we're having a discussion of principles, or we should be having a discussion

01:15:11.140 of principles, but sometimes it just turns into a discussion of teams.

01:15:16.520 The principles that set America up as the great changing force of the world was freedom

01:15:23.840 and the freedom to exchange with people.

01:15:26.500 And it started with, really, can we just, can we be free to exchange between each other

01:15:31.380 with the states?

01:15:32.200 At the very beginning, the Articles of Confederation, the reason why it was too weak is everybody

01:15:36.140 everybody had their own money, people were charging different taxes and tariffs across

01:15:42.100 the state borders, and we knew if we were going to be the United States, that wasn't going

01:15:46.240 to work.

01:15:46.840 We needed something.

01:15:48.000 We needed to be able to trade with each other and just have, and everybody will be on an

01:15:52.980 equal footing.

01:15:53.620 That's really one of the biggest problems of the Articles of Confederation and why we adopted

01:15:59.760 the Constitution of the United States.

01:16:02.600 Trade.

01:16:03.180 Free trade is in the marrow of our bones.

01:16:07.060 But right now we're having a discussion that maybe we shouldn't have free trade.

01:16:11.640 Maybe because of national interest or national security, we should have tariffs here, there,

01:16:18.200 or elsewhere.

01:16:19.720 And it's easy to win a trade war.

01:16:22.200 Well, what is the principle behind free trade?

01:16:27.620 Why is this important as a conservative principle?

01:16:31.180 Here to talk to us about that is Scott Lincecum.

01:16:33.400 He's an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute and an expert on free trade.

01:16:40.300 Scott, thanks for coming on.

01:16:42.360 Thanks for having me.

01:16:43.180 Good to be back.

01:16:43.840 Scott, tell me in a nutshell, so let's start at macro.

01:16:47.880 Why is this a fundamental conservative principle?

01:16:52.880 Sure.

01:16:53.660 So I think there are a few reasons, really.

01:16:56.420 But most basically, and you brought it up with respect to trade among the states, free

01:17:00.900 trade really at its most basic is simply the absence of government in voluntary mutually

01:17:06.860 beneficial transactions that just so happen to go across borders.

01:17:11.560 You know, just as conservatives recoil at the thought of putting a bureaucrat between themselves

01:17:16.340 and their doctors, you'd think they'd be similarly opposed to putting a bureaucrat between themselves

01:17:22.380 and their merchants, for example.

01:17:24.620 Now, beyond that simple principle, when you then look at what protectionism is on the other

01:17:31.800 end of free trade, you see that protectionism is a hidden regressive tax on consumers who

01:17:38.160 are forced by government to subsidize certain well-connected producers.

01:17:41.820 And, you know, the only difference between a tariff and a subsidy is that the tariff money

01:17:45.720 comes right out of our own pockets instead of coming out of the treasury.

01:17:49.300 And this is kind of a classic bottom-up redistribution and one that actually hurts poor Americans more

01:17:55.880 than richer Americans because poor Americans have, you know, of course, smaller budgets to

01:18:00.000 stretch in the first place.

01:18:00.960 Is there any difference between Illinois saying to Alabama, because Alabama got a new BMW plant

01:18:11.520 and all the workers are going to go down there, and Illinois saying, you know what, you brought

01:18:17.200 them in at an unfair advantage because you brought them in with tax incentives, and so anything

01:18:23.100 that comes from Alabama, if you buy that BMW in Illinois, we're going to charge you a little

01:18:28.760 bit more.

01:18:31.260 No, you know, there's not any sort of fundamental difference between the border between two

01:18:37.860 states and the border between two countries.

01:18:40.980 You know, you can try to think of kind of nationalistic ideas, but the fact is, in terms

01:18:46.560 of kind of the economics and the principles of it, you're really dealing with the same thing.

01:18:50.500 And, you know, it's really important.

01:18:52.300 So aren't we doing that then by saying, I'm going to give Boeing a tax incentive by coming

01:18:57.680 to this state?

01:18:58.400 Isn't that, in a way, a subsidy?

01:19:01.580 Why does it work with the states and it doesn't work with foreign countries?

01:19:06.880 Well, I mean, I think one of the reasons is that we kind of recognize the value of the

01:19:13.980 system of the free exchange of goods across borders when it comes to the states.

01:19:20.120 And we don't think that while we might not be thrilled with certain companies in certain

01:19:25.260 states getting these subsidies, we understand that, first of all, their taxpayers are, in

01:19:29.760 a way, subsidizing our consumption.

01:19:31.740 But second, that the system itself is so valuable that it's not worth destroying it just because

01:19:39.340 we might not like what happens every once in a while.

01:19:42.480 That there is kind of this greater importance to keeping the system alive.

01:19:47.300 Now, when you change that to international boundaries, for some reason, that whole calculus

01:19:54.520 goes out the window.

01:19:56.020 And all of a sudden, you know, foreign governments subsidizing our consumption is a big problem.

01:20:02.840 And we are far more willing to accept government interference in our transactions because of these

01:20:12.060 vague kind of allegations on fairness or whatever.

01:20:14.440 Now, never mind that a lot of these allegations of unfairness are made by the foreign producers'

01:20:22.360 domestic competition.

01:20:23.680 And in fact, those are the guys who got to write our unfair trade laws.

01:20:27.120 And those are the guys that you might imagine have a rather strong commercial interest in

01:20:33.040 ensuring that we as consumers buy from them and not from their foreign competition.

01:20:37.540 There's been about three main conversations, I feel like, going around this topic.

01:20:43.420 I want to ask you about each of them.

01:20:44.700 The first one, though, I think has been the least covered, which is, let's just say the

01:20:50.940 argument for protectionism works.

01:20:53.540 Let's just say it's a good idea for a moment.

01:20:56.460 Are the circumstances with the steel industry in particular even there to justify it if it

01:21:03.380 did work?

01:21:05.340 Yeah, it certainly doesn't appear so.

01:21:09.080 So if you look at steel production over the last actually several decades, it's pretty

01:21:13.960 steady.

01:21:15.200 There was, of course, a huge drop in the Great Recession.

01:21:17.420 But over the last almost 10 years, steel output's been about 90 million tons.

01:21:23.640 You also look at imports.

01:21:26.520 And imports are still only about 25% to 27% of the market.

01:21:30.540 So the U.S. industry still has over 70% of the domestic market share.

01:21:34.860 You look at the company's profits.

01:21:36.760 They're actually making hundreds of millions of dollars in profits right now.

01:21:40.280 And then, of course, you look at the national security arguments here, which are what are

01:21:46.600 being debated right now.

01:21:48.040 And you look at most of our imports actually come from our closest allies, like Canada, for

01:21:53.240 example, or Europe or Japan.

01:21:55.440 And these are countries with which we have security treaties.

01:21:59.400 I mean, Canada, for heaven's sakes, is part of the American national defense industrial

01:22:04.560 base defined by law.

01:22:06.360 So hang on just for a second, though.

01:22:08.200 If we play this out, I mean, looking at World War II, we had the resources, we had the factories,

01:22:16.280 and we could build these things.

01:22:17.900 If we were down to 10% steel, we were only making 10% of our own steel, you could make

01:22:26.160 the case that a country to be strong has got to have these plants.

01:22:30.600 But that's not the case in this.

01:22:33.240 Yeah, definitely.

01:22:33.660 So in fact, Secretary Mattis himself wrote a letter to the Department of Commerce, as

01:22:38.620 was required under the statute we're dealing with right now.

01:22:41.720 And he noted that only 3% of current Department of Defense needs could be satisfied.

01:22:50.760 So only 3% of total domestic steel production could satisfy all of DOD's needs.

01:22:57.420 So DOD only needs a tiny fraction of our actual U.S. steel output.

01:23:01.940 Same goes for aluminum.

01:23:03.480 So the idea that we have this withering steel industry, then we can't build tanks and planes

01:23:09.200 and the rest, just simply is nonsense, as Secretary Mattis himself made clear.

01:23:14.220 All right, next question.

01:23:16.360 Pretty much every president from both parties has always talked about and many times enacted

01:23:23.080 tariffs on particularly steel.

01:23:25.380 We've done it a million times.

01:23:27.040 What were the results when we've done it?

01:23:29.260 Right.

01:23:29.580 The results were not very good.

01:23:30.960 And so in a paper I wrote for Cato last year, I actually documented the long history of

01:23:36.660 American protectionist failures.

01:23:39.400 And steel features prominently.

01:23:40.980 And if you look at over the years, over and over and over again, steel protectionism imposed

01:23:46.180 immense costs on American consumers.

01:23:49.400 And not just American families, but also a lot of American businesses and workers, you know,

01:23:53.980 manufacturers that need steel, construction companies that, of course, need steel.

01:23:59.360 So not only did it impose immense costs, hundreds of thousands of dollars per year for any steel

01:24:05.880 job saved or created, but also didn't even lead to the revitalization of the industry.

01:24:13.160 So the industry still suffered bankruptcies.

01:24:16.740 The industry still came back for even more protection.

01:24:19.260 And so over and over again, you see that it just simply didn't work.

01:24:24.960 And in fact, you see, in some cases, the industry refusing to innovate, refusing to reinvest, refusing

01:24:32.340 to get lean and mean and competitive again, and instead relying on government protection.

01:24:38.140 It violates the Kondracki of wave.

01:24:42.280 So Scott, because in one other part of this is you could argue that you can save a few

01:24:48.500 steel jobs with a big tariff, right?

01:24:50.840 But the overall effect on employment in America is actually negative with these things.

01:24:56.300 Is that what you found?

01:24:57.740 Exactly.

01:24:58.160 So if you look, for example, at the – so, of course, President Bush imposed steel safeguard

01:25:03.120 tariffs back in 2001 and 2002.

01:25:06.680 And the net result was a destruction of about 250,000 jobs, according to one report, 100,000

01:25:14.760 jobs in the other.

01:25:16.120 I mean, the exact numbers don't matter.

01:25:17.540 The fact is that you saw a net destruction of jobs overall.

01:25:22.600 And that's just basic common sense, really, especially in something like steel that's

01:25:27.540 such a critical raw material.

01:25:29.840 Steel workers in this country are outnumbered by steel-consuming workers by something like

01:25:36.380 45 to 1.

01:25:38.380 So it's inevitable that if you tax the inputs of these 45 to save the 1, you're going to

01:25:44.960 end up with more losses.

01:25:46.200 And that's, of course, what happens over and over.

01:25:47.920 And that's leaving out the kind of egg-heady economics on deadweight loss and the rest.

01:25:53.060 I mean, just looking at the common sense angle of it, you're going to end up with losses

01:25:57.740 that far outweigh the gains.

01:25:59.540 So let me ask you the third question, and that is trade wars are easy to win.

01:26:06.880 Right, right.

01:26:09.100 Yeah, the sad thing about a trade war is that everyone loses.

01:26:13.520 You don't end a trade war emerging victorious.

01:26:18.880 All you've really done is you end up, you're poorer.

01:26:22.140 In fact, trade wars are simply when both sides yell across the ocean and then turn inward

01:26:27.660 and shoot their own citizens.

01:26:29.500 And that's really what happens over and over again.

01:26:31.880 You know, as we tax imports of whether it be steel or automobiles, we simply harm American

01:26:38.180 consumers.

01:26:38.780 And, you know, foreign exporters will get hurt, too, but you're taking a lot of casualties

01:26:44.960 for that.

01:26:45.980 And then, of course, if a foreign government retaliates, which many have promised to do

01:26:50.780 in the case of the current steel and aluminum tariffs, then, of course, our exporters get

01:26:55.180 hit, their consumers get hurt.

01:26:57.180 And at the end of the day, everybody's just poor and worse off.

01:27:00.900 And when the thing finally ends, there is no real victor here.

01:27:05.840 So I want to take a quick break and then I want to come back because there's I want you

01:27:10.440 to make the case for the person who is just hardworking, is really struggling, sees jobs

01:27:18.120 going overseas, sees their jobs not getting any better.

01:27:22.300 And somebody saying, you know what?

01:27:24.100 It's because we're being taken advantage of by Europe and China.

01:27:27.980 And I want you to speak directly to that person when we come back.

01:27:31.580 It's Scott Lincecum from the Cato Institute, and it's nobody better.

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01:29:08.380 Glenn Beck, Mercury.

01:29:10.740 Talking free trade in layman's terms on why this is a conservative principle, why it's

01:29:24.700 an important American principle.

01:29:27.040 And Scott, I want you to speak directly to the person who is not into global politics.

01:29:32.940 They look at globalism and say, yeah, I want to be a part of the global community, but

01:29:36.800 we're being ripped off and I'm struggling and I feel like our jobs are going overseas and

01:29:43.180 nobody's protecting us.

01:29:45.320 We're playing fair.

01:29:47.060 The other parts of the world are not.

01:29:49.480 It's time somebody stands up for me.

01:29:51.720 Right.

01:29:54.040 So, you know, I think there are a lot of responses there.

01:29:58.220 I mean, the first, of course, is that, you know, I think free traders generally need to

01:30:02.280 be a bit more sympathetic to the concerns and fears of, you know, a lot of average Americans.

01:30:07.560 You know, we're dealing right now in a very disruptive economic period.

01:30:12.820 It's not just globalization, though.

01:30:14.820 In fact, the vast majority of job losses, particularly manufacturing, over the last few decades have

01:30:23.000 come from automation and technological change than from trade.

01:30:29.160 And of course, there are changing consumer tastes that just simply we prefer services more

01:30:36.020 these days than we do to certain manufactured goods and so forth.

01:30:39.040 And so, you know, there is a necessary amount of sympathy that goes to kind of being in this

01:30:45.600 very, very disruptive period.

01:30:48.440 But again, it's important to note that this isn't just or even primarily a globalization thing.

01:30:55.020 The second thing to note is, though, that the parts of disruption that are trade related

01:31:00.640 are really just manifestations of kind of free market competition, which we kind of all

01:31:06.680 inherently understand are really good and not just good, but important for our economy.

01:31:12.860 And, you know, the American economy is this kind of dynamic, churning beast of sorts that

01:31:18.980 if you start to slow that down or if you start to prevent the adjustment that the economy kind

01:31:25.880 of does naturally in a free market, if you start thwarting all of these great things that

01:31:30.140 come from free market competition, we actually all will end up even worse off.

01:31:35.020 And, you know, on trade, that's not just cheaper T-shirts.

01:31:39.380 It's jobs, whether it be trucking or ports or in, again, import-consuming manufacturing and

01:31:45.920 services, you name it.

01:31:47.400 And all of this is overall a good thing.

01:31:52.060 But look, that still doesn't help the guy whose job actually did get, you know, outsourced

01:31:59.000 or sent abroad.

01:32:00.580 That is, that's rough.

01:32:03.700 But, again, it's a part of this kind of greater economic dynamism.

01:32:10.620 And the other point, you know, oftentimes unmentioned is that, you know, if you have jobs that were

01:32:17.600 literally, that literally existed only because they were behind a tariff wall or because they

01:32:23.580 were receiving a government subsidy, you know, you do, of course, have to ask the question

01:32:27.280 about whether that job, whether that subsidy or that tariff really needs should be staying

01:32:32.780 in place in the first place.

01:32:33.960 I mean, you know, you're, again, are kind of dealing with this redistribution idea.

01:32:37.340 Should some of us be forced to subsidize others?

01:32:41.300 But, you know, look, finally, there is an adjustment thing.

01:32:45.120 You know, something that we talk about a lot is we really do need better policies in place

01:32:51.140 when it comes to helping workers, helping individuals adjust.

01:32:55.520 You know, we just have not updated our policies to reflect how disruptive an era we have right now.

01:33:04.700 And that, again, is not just trade.

01:33:06.660 In fact, it's far more about all these other things that are going on.

01:33:10.240 And particularly information technology, and to have policies that are from the 1950s and 60s

01:33:18.300 to help workers that are disrupted, displaced in 2018 really makes no sense.

01:33:25.260 I think there really is a place for a legitimate government action or at least reform of our systems.

01:33:31.400 You know, one of the things I love to talk about, the example I love to use, is that for a long time

01:33:35.720 we had a tax credit for people who were training in their same job, but they couldn't get that exact same benefit

01:33:43.000 for training for a new job.

01:33:45.180 That makes no sense in this sort of economy.

01:33:48.160 Quick, Scott Lintigam, we have got about 30 seconds left, 40 seconds.

01:33:51.800 One quick question I have for you.

01:33:53.960 I read the Constitution, Article 1, Section 8, 2 say,

01:33:57.400 the Congress shall have power to regulate commerce with foreign nations.

01:34:01.440 Yet we were talking about this as if the Congress can't do anything to stop these tariffs.

01:34:05.480 How is, what's the process of this?

01:34:08.180 Right, so because Congress has over the years delegated so much of its trade powers to the

01:34:14.160 president, you're really looking now that the Congress would have to act, would have to

01:34:19.700 pass some sort of legislation, and I guess it would have to be veto-proof legislation.

01:34:23.760 Now that said, there's history for this.

01:34:25.280 Under this very same law, Congress in 1980 actually did pass a law against its own, a president

01:34:32.820 of its own party, and then overrode the veto.

01:34:36.440 So there is potential for action, and Congress does have the constitutional authority to do

01:34:40.360 so.

01:34:40.760 But more broadly, we really need to have a talk about whether the trade powers delegated to

01:34:45.680 the president still makes sense in today's economy, but not only in today's economy, with today's

01:34:51.420 president.

01:34:51.940 Thank you, Scott.

01:34:52.600 Appreciate it.

01:34:53.320 Adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute, and probably the leading authority on trade, and why free

01:35:00.600 trade is something we should all be a champion of.

01:35:03.980 You know, what's wrong with us?

01:35:17.480 Seriously.

01:35:21.160 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:35:22.820 Stu, I don't know what's wrong with us.

01:35:23.940 We just talked about steel, and we were not wearing a hard hat.

01:35:27.700 I don't know if you've seen all of the people on location, all of the reporters that are talking

01:35:32.560 about steel, they're all wearing hard hats now.

01:35:34.360 That is true.

01:35:35.960 I will say, I did roll my sleeves up for that last segment if you weren't watching on television.

01:35:40.120 Yeah.

01:35:40.460 I'm wearing a denim shirt today.

01:35:42.160 Oh, okay.

01:35:42.520 I could have had a hard hat.

01:35:44.120 I could have looked like a man.

01:35:45.500 We're pretty hard workers here.

01:35:47.060 Lots of calluses on our hands.

01:35:48.960 This is difficult work.

01:35:49.840 Natasha, I need at least two hard hats in the studio at all times in case we need to talk

01:35:55.380 about trade, tariffs, or steel.

01:35:58.240 Okay.

01:35:58.780 Thank you.

01:35:59.520 All right.

01:36:00.800 Pat, you're not wearing your hard hat either.

01:36:02.060 I just want to mention, though, that I've got permanent calluses on a couple of my fingers,

01:36:05.640 and I have no idea why.

01:36:06.900 I've never done an ounce of hard work in my life.

01:36:09.220 I don't know where they came from.

01:36:14.400 You actually have permanent calluses?

01:36:16.300 I do.

01:36:16.820 Yeah.

01:36:16.960 Do you really?

01:36:17.520 I've known you for 40 years.

01:36:19.860 Yeah.

01:36:20.220 The only hard work you've ever done is like when car doors were heavy and you had to open

01:36:26.660 them.

01:36:27.040 Right.

01:36:27.480 Right.

01:36:28.140 If the butler didn't do it first.

01:36:30.040 Right.

01:36:30.560 Butler.

01:36:30.940 Yeah.

01:36:31.180 I don't know.

01:36:32.660 My hands are baby soft.

01:36:34.440 I've never done that.

01:36:35.140 I know.

01:36:35.340 I don't know why I have them.

01:36:37.240 I go out.

01:36:38.280 I'm kind of proud of them, actually.

01:36:39.900 What's really funny is you go out to farm or something.

01:36:44.960 You do something and you don't have to do it.

01:36:48.140 And you love it.

01:36:49.280 And you're like, this is great.

01:36:50.760 You know, hard work.

01:36:51.900 Man, it just really makes you feel good.

01:36:55.380 And you just it just it just means something.

01:36:57.960 But if you actually have to do it, it's awful.

01:37:01.780 Yes.

01:37:02.360 The minute the minute I would have to farm my land.

01:37:05.900 I love I love being the farmer that I am because I'm only up and I'll plow the fields and I'll

01:37:11.820 you know, I'll cut the hay and everything else.

01:37:14.280 But I don't have to.

01:37:16.360 And the minute I say I'm done, I just turn the tractor off, walk away.

01:37:21.080 Go.

01:37:21.380 I'm done for the day.

01:37:23.100 That's the way hard work is fun.

01:37:25.460 Well, I think people that listen to this show recognize that I'm the real American here.

01:37:29.200 Yeah.

01:37:29.400 You know, you guys both started in radio very young.

01:37:31.720 Yeah.

01:37:31.960 Now, I had I've had difficult manufacturing type jobs.

01:37:38.320 I have you.

01:37:39.080 I was an assistant spot welder for a summer.

01:37:42.140 Assistant spot.

01:37:43.060 Oh, yeah.

01:37:43.620 Assistant.

01:37:43.940 Really?

01:37:44.420 Which basically like if you think you're like a spot welder, right?

01:37:47.440 And there's a big sheet of metal and it's sitting up on a table.

01:37:50.660 And then but they need to kind of move it.

01:37:53.460 And what I would do is I would get under the table and they would do that.

01:37:57.340 They would do the spot weld above my head and then sparks would fall on me.

01:38:00.420 That was basically the job.

01:38:01.980 Did you have to have a hard hat?

01:38:03.120 I did.

01:38:03.860 I actually.

01:38:04.180 Oh, my gosh.

01:38:05.080 You had a job with a hard hat.

01:38:07.040 But I mean, it sucked.

01:38:09.520 I hated it.

01:38:10.680 It was 100 degrees and there were sparks in my face.

01:38:13.320 Oh, wait.

01:38:13.740 But wait.

01:38:14.540 If you were doing that because you were going to make a metal table yourself.

01:38:19.440 Right.

01:38:19.880 You'd be out there and be like, this is the greatest.

01:38:22.760 That's the people like, I want to restore old cars.

01:38:25.120 Yeah.

01:38:25.220 Unless you have to restore all cars every day.

01:38:27.220 You want to restore old cars.

01:38:28.220 When we actually had no money to buy cars and they were breaking down all the time.

01:38:33.160 We didn't want to restore it.

01:38:35.680 We wanted a new one.

01:38:37.360 Right.

01:38:37.480 Do you remember the days when you could just reach behind the instrument panel and you

01:38:47.240 could unplug the check engine light?

01:38:50.160 Oh, yeah.

01:38:50.760 And you would do that because I'm not fixing it and I'm tired of looking at it.

01:38:55.160 So I just unplugged the damn thing.

01:38:57.140 That's the best solution.

01:38:58.140 Now the check engine light comes on and you're like, oh, crap.

01:39:02.400 Yeah.

01:39:02.640 Well, now you can't even have access to the battery anymore.

01:39:05.880 It's all covered.

01:39:07.240 At least on my car.

01:39:08.120 It is.

01:39:08.660 All of it.

01:39:09.320 All of it.

01:39:09.980 Yeah.

01:39:10.620 Mike, you don't put...

01:39:12.200 I've had to jump my car a couple of times, which is about as deep into car repair as I

01:39:15.800 can go.

01:39:17.060 That's not car repair.

01:39:18.120 It's not?

01:39:18.400 Okay.

01:39:18.560 No.

01:39:19.180 But now the two places you put the thingies, you know what I'm saying?

01:39:23.860 I'm getting technical here.

01:39:25.060 If you're not a car person, I don't understand.

01:39:26.100 Yeah, the places you put the thingies.

01:39:26.920 The places you put the thingies are not next to each other on the battery anymore.

01:39:29.720 I noticed that.

01:39:30.380 There's one, like in one place, and then you got to reach down underneath the car to

01:39:34.100 a completely different section of the engine block.

01:39:36.380 No, I don't like that.

01:39:37.180 Absolutely ridiculous.

01:39:37.540 There might be things down there that could cut your fingers off.

01:39:39.640 That's what I think.

01:39:40.680 Right.

01:39:41.620 Right.

01:39:42.440 You never know.

01:39:43.520 That's why I go on my phone.

01:39:44.520 I just go Uber.

01:39:45.300 Yeah.

01:39:45.540 And then I just don't drive for a month or so.

01:39:48.060 My car doesn't work.

01:39:51.780 When Tanya bought me, she bought this old truck, 1957, and it's, I mean, the engine

01:39:58.820 is huge, but it just looks like there's nothing to it.

01:40:02.580 You know what I mean?

01:40:03.080 It's all open.

01:40:04.820 You can get to any side, and the truck is so damn big that you could probably almost

01:40:09.160 stand next to the engine in between, you know, inside under the hood.

01:40:13.600 You could almost stand in there.

01:40:14.920 And so when we first got it, you know, I know nothing about cars.

01:40:19.760 And so Rafe and I were looking at it, and we, you know, he jumped up on the bumper, and

01:40:23.340 he was looking into the engine, and I was telling him, you know, I think these are the

01:40:27.820 cylinders in here.

01:40:29.120 I think this is, yeah, I'm pretty sure.

01:40:31.100 And these are the spark plugs.

01:40:32.200 And then we got underneath the car, and we were just laying there, and we were just looking

01:40:37.640 up at it, and he was like, what's that?

01:40:39.560 And I'm like, no idea.

01:40:41.020 What's that?

01:40:41.940 I think that maybe turns the wheels.

01:40:45.400 I'm not really sure.

01:40:48.460 It's a defibrillator.

01:40:49.460 We ended up spending like 40 minutes just laying underneath the car, and Tanya came

01:40:56.040 out, and she said, what the hell are you guys doing?

01:40:59.120 And I said, we're just learning about the truck.

01:41:01.320 She said, neither of you know anything about it.

01:41:04.980 Get up.

01:41:06.320 But there was something about laying underneath the car and pretending that we did.

01:41:10.560 That was good.

01:41:11.460 Kind of cool.

01:41:12.000 But I contend, if I actually would have had to fix that truck, and there was nobody else

01:41:19.360 to fix it, it wouldn't have been a fun experience with me and my son.

01:41:22.800 Not at all.

01:41:23.520 I would have come out with a finger that was bleeding, and I would have thrown, not that

01:41:29.220 wrench.

01:41:30.480 I would have been saying things at that level to him.

01:41:33.680 Yeah, it's not.

01:41:34.560 I mean, people sort of romanticize, I guess is the right word, of manufacturing jobs.

01:41:39.600 And it's like, well, you know, anyone losing their job, you don't want to lose your income,

01:41:44.220 right?

01:41:44.760 It doesn't mean that we should glorify manufacturing jobs as this thing that we want the entire

01:41:49.500 economy to be based on in the future and make sure all of them return.

01:41:52.820 For instance.

01:41:53.040 I'd rather have, I mean, I think most people would rather have, if they had a choice between

01:41:56.940 a manufacturing job and a job where they flap their fat mouth for three hours on radio,

01:42:00.640 they're probably going to pick this one.

01:42:02.160 Why?

01:42:02.520 Because you don't have to freaking get dirty.

01:42:04.080 You don't have to get sweaty.

01:42:05.080 You don't have to know what the hell you're doing.

01:42:06.260 There's lots of benefits of this game.

01:42:07.360 And two out of the three have no calluses on their hands.

01:42:09.900 And the one who does has no idea how they appeared.

01:42:14.080 This is a really good thing, actually.

01:42:15.900 That's a good thing.

01:42:16.560 Yeah, I like it.

01:42:17.240 Manly men talk on that program.

01:42:19.460 But you know, what's interesting is, is if you look at the stats that we went over yesterday,

01:42:24.220 what is it?

01:42:25.840 60 or 80% of jobs now are white collar in America.

01:42:29.960 That is a huge difference.

01:42:31.940 And something that we all would have said is really, really good.

01:42:35.820 Yeah, I mean, yeah, sure.

01:42:37.360 That used to be, they used to say, oh, we don't want these low paying jobs.

01:42:40.180 Now they're saying, because manufacturing jobs has a really good political sort of connotation

01:42:45.220 to it.

01:42:45.440 Yeah.

01:42:45.600 You're talking about things, because it's like what you were talking about.

01:42:48.060 You're talking about people who, men who actually look like men.

01:42:50.920 Yeah, men who, yeah, exactly.

01:42:52.100 And it's a great, it's also though a.

01:42:54.340 But they're jobs people complained about, right?

01:42:56.180 Yeah, people hated them.

01:42:57.340 Yeah, I mean, my dad had a big.

01:42:58.280 I've been in a factory my whole life, and you think, oh, dang it, I'm sorry.

01:43:01.460 Right, like you get, it was something, I mean, it was.

01:43:03.740 They complained about it.

01:43:04.520 And there's a nostalgia related to it, just like you were talking about fixing cars.

01:43:07.340 It's like, we kind of like that.

01:43:08.900 You get your hands dirty, you get in there, but it's a, it's a picture.

01:43:12.920 It's in your head.

01:43:13.640 It's not a job you want your whole life.

01:43:14.760 Yeah, I mean, you wind up with, you know, long-term problems.

01:43:17.080 Why do you think, unions are always complaining that they need larger healthcare plans and better

01:43:22.380 pensions and things.

01:43:23.420 It's not just because, you know, there are legitimate health problems that arise from

01:43:27.400 many of those jobs.

01:43:28.380 They're difficult freaking jobs.

01:43:29.900 My grandfather didn't have a finger.

01:43:32.120 My grandfather had a finger cut off in a job that he had, and it was just like, oh, yeah,

01:43:38.020 I just, it was no big deal.

01:43:39.240 I just, I mean, that's the way it used to be.

01:43:41.660 I know.

01:43:42.160 You know what I mean?

01:43:43.040 I was out, and I was out with the tractor, and we were, I don't know what it is, but

01:43:49.300 you got a spiky thing that goes off the side, and it kind of fluffs up the, fluffs up the

01:43:54.680 hay.

01:43:55.760 Sure, that's not what it's.

01:43:57.060 Farmer Glenn, is that you?

01:43:58.500 It's me.

01:43:59.160 It's me.

01:43:59.600 So we were fluffing the hay.

01:44:01.460 Fluffing the hay?

01:44:02.300 You're fluffing the hay.

01:44:03.780 And, and it's just.

01:44:07.020 You have no idea what you're talking about right now.

01:44:08.060 Absolutely no idea.

01:44:09.040 I know why we do it.

01:44:10.320 I just don't know what it's called.

01:44:11.840 Okay.

01:44:12.080 Okay, so we're, we're fluffing the hay.

01:44:15.440 You sound like every liberal on guns right now.

01:44:17.460 I know, I know, I know, I know.

01:44:19.000 Good thing is, there's only about five farmers left in America.

01:44:22.320 So, so, but it got, it, some, I can't remember, it's been a few years, something got tangled

01:44:28.920 up, or, oh, because the alfalfa, it can, it can start to get caught up in this, like,

01:44:36.060 hay in the fluffer thing.

01:44:38.660 Fluffer, this is not a good conversation.

01:44:40.220 So, so, so, you know, you get out and you're immediately looking at it and you're like,

01:44:45.760 okay, I've got to, but it's stopped.

01:44:47.920 And if you don't, if you don't turn the fluffer off, it's just jammed and you've got your hands

01:44:54.560 and arms in there and if the fluffer starts to fluff again, it's going to rip your arms

01:44:58.300 off.

01:44:58.500 That's why farming is one of the most dangerous jobs you can have.

01:45:01.220 Yeah, it is.

01:45:01.820 And when you, you know, when you're, when you don't have a farm hand that you go, hey, the

01:45:07.980 fluffer is stuck.

01:45:09.420 Uh, and then he gets out and then you're logically just sitting there going, I don't know what

01:45:15.360 to do, but you see him reach in.

01:45:17.300 That's when you say, should I turn the fluffer off?

01:45:21.080 And he's like, you didn't turn it off.

01:45:23.600 Now this is a very specific hypothetical situation, but it could happen.

01:45:29.500 I'm, I have no idea of what you're saying makes any sense, but I cannot hear it in the

01:45:34.000 context.

01:45:34.440 You mean it?

01:45:34.900 I cannot.

01:45:35.660 And it's just not, it's not helpful.

01:45:38.240 All right.

01:45:39.020 Pat, um, rescue us from, from this.

01:45:42.600 I'm excited about a Sunday night.

01:45:44.240 Are you guys going to watch the OJ confession?

01:45:47.380 If I remember, if I guys have to call me, you have to call me.

01:45:51.520 I won't remember.

01:45:52.460 Oh, you have to remember it's seven o'clock central.

01:45:55.300 So eight Eastern, and this is the one that was done, what, 10, 12 years ago when they

01:46:01.840 wrote the book.

01:46:02.740 If I did it, here's how it happened.

01:46:04.920 Do we know why that book wasn't released?

01:46:07.160 Yeah.

01:46:07.320 Cause the, uh, the Goldman's were pissed and they stopped it and they were like, Hey, maybe

01:46:12.840 you shouldn't be making millions of dollars off from our kids murder.

01:46:15.380 Yeah.

01:46:15.720 Um, so they, it became such a controversy at the time.

01:46:18.660 And so whoever did it in the first place, I think it was Fox, wasn't it?

01:46:21.220 They shelved it.

01:46:21.840 And so now they're bringing it back out after all this time and putting it on the

01:46:25.520 air and they're putting it on the air now because, ah, nobody cares about the Goldman's

01:46:29.080 anymore.

01:46:29.720 Is that what it is?

01:46:30.660 Yeah.

01:46:31.080 It's been long enough now.

01:46:32.180 Yeah.

01:46:32.520 I guess.

01:46:33.020 Okay.

01:46:33.140 So, um, so they're going to play it and he goes through this hypothetical and he starts

01:46:38.140 speaking hypothetically.

01:46:39.400 And then all of a sudden it turns first person and it's chilling when he does, uh, because

01:46:44.380 he starts talking about his friend, Charlie, uh, that came over to his house.

01:46:48.120 And he said to me, in the words of OJ, he said to me, OJ, you're not going to believe

01:46:53.260 what's going on over at Nicole's house.

01:46:55.500 And he said, whatever is going on, it's got to stop.

01:46:59.240 Do we have the, do we have the audio of that?

01:47:00.900 We have the, I think we have the trailer of it.

01:47:03.680 Here it is.

01:47:04.020 Play a little bit.

01:47:04.400 In 2006, OJ Simpson gave a no holds barred interview, including his gripping account

01:47:10.520 of what might've happened that fateful night for over a decade.

01:47:14.260 The tapes of that infamous interview were lost until now.

01:47:18.320 Lost.

01:47:18.740 I'm going to tell you a story you've never heard before.

01:47:21.840 It takes place the night of June 12th, 1994.

01:47:25.140 And it concerns the murders of my ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her young friend, Ronald

01:47:29.860 Goldman.

01:47:30.220 Forget everything you think you know about that night, because I know the facts better

01:47:36.900 than anyone.

01:47:37.760 Well, I bet you do.

01:47:38.720 I bet you does.

01:47:39.260 This is one story the whole world got wrong.

01:47:42.160 Does he confess?

01:47:43.220 You be the judge.

01:47:44.400 OJ Simpson, the lost confession.

01:47:46.760 I said lost.

01:47:47.520 Sunday, March 11th.

01:47:48.240 It was lost.

01:47:48.840 It was sitting in some vault someplace and somebody was licking their chops going, oh my gosh.

01:47:53.440 Is it time yet?

01:47:54.220 It's time now, isn't it?

01:47:55.780 Now that he's out, they can, uh, they can actually play this, I guess.

01:47:59.440 I mean, it's, it's, it's amazing because he does do it in a first person, but wasn't

01:48:03.780 that the point of the book?

01:48:04.820 Yes.

01:48:05.040 But what a weird point.

01:48:06.540 It's one of the strangest things in American history.

01:48:09.060 Well, because he starts talking like if it happened, here's how it might've happened.

01:48:13.740 But then he switches to, I did this and he said this to me.

01:48:18.280 And it's a chilling kind of switch into first person speak where it sounds like he's talking

01:48:24.840 about what he did.

01:48:25.820 Yeah.

01:48:26.060 I mean, what he actually did.

01:48:27.620 Can you imagine going to someone who, who was accused of a crime and his freedom, you

01:48:31.580 know, is dependent on the idea that he did not commit it and going to him and saying,

01:48:35.620 Hey, would you write a book describing a hypothetical way that you'd commit the crime you're accused

01:48:41.320 of what person, what, what would possibly motivate you other than the fact that you did do it

01:48:47.580 and you believe you wanted to confess for some reason, either money or for, uh, to get

01:48:53.200 it off your chest, but you knew you couldn't do it without going to prison.

01:48:55.480 This is your way of confessing.

01:48:56.820 I just, I just want to also point out it's worse than that.

01:48:58.980 It is imagine your wife has been killed a brutal, brutal killing.

01:49:06.400 You are busy looking for the killer on every golf course in America.

01:49:10.620 People think that you've done it.

01:49:12.500 Yeah.

01:49:12.960 What would possess you?

01:49:14.640 And you would be, you would say that's obscene.

01:49:18.240 Of course.

01:49:19.060 Yeah.

01:49:19.520 If I, if I remember, if I remember, I am going to definitely watch this on Sunday night.

01:49:23.780 If you remember, well, you might be out fixing old cars, uh, in the garage.

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01:51:05.000 they may have found Amelia Earhart and don't get excited.

01:51:08.580 She's not doing well.

01:51:10.900 Uh, I didn't think she was alive.

01:51:13.240 Well, I didn't know.

01:51:14.360 I just, you know, cats on the roof.

01:51:15.640 Uh, anyway, new scientific study shows that, uh, bounds of the bones found in 1940 on a

01:51:22.660 Pacific Island now belong to Earhart.

01:51:25.960 Um, uh, they said that 1941, these were not her bones.

01:51:32.000 They now have done it again.

01:51:33.460 And, uh, they've said that these are, it looks, I don't know the full story.

01:51:38.840 We'll have to get this tomorrow.

01:51:40.380 Um, but they found a woman's shoe.

01:51:44.080 They found a sextant, uh, there, uh, they found herbal liqueur.

01:51:49.460 Uh, and, you know, this is a better ending for her, I think, being a possible castaway on

01:51:55.780 this island than the other theory is, is that she was captured by the Japanese and tortured

01:52:00.920 to death because they thought she was a, a, uh, an American spy, but we'll give you the

01:52:06.120 full story tomorrow.

01:52:06.880 Cause it's, it's pretty remarkable.

01:52:15.260 Glenn Beck, Mercury.

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The Glenn Beck Program - March 08, 2018

'The World's Your Oyster' (Ryan Holiday joins Glenn) - 3⧸8⧸18

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