The Glenn Beck Program - 'There Are Two Americas' - 2⧸26⧸18

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00:00:10.820 Love. Courage. Truth. Glenn Beck.

00:00:17.360 I've been reading a lot of history. I've been reading a lot of philosophy. I've been reading a lot of Jesus.

00:00:23.540 I've been reading a lot, trying to figure out, how the hell did we get here?

00:00:32.300 Now, I know the progressive era. I know the movement of postmodernism.

00:00:42.160 I know history, so I know where we're headed.

00:00:46.700 But what happened?

00:00:48.060 How is it so many people just don't care about facts anymore?

00:00:57.220 What is that?

00:01:01.060 I believe we have come to the end of the Enlightenment.

00:01:04.380 The Enlightenment was a period in the 1700s that was the death of religion and the death of the king.

00:01:18.880 It was the death of people ruling over other people because people had an opportunity to read, to think, to pray, to read their Bible, to listen to science.

00:01:34.120 And so they said, no more nonsense.

00:01:39.760 No more nonsense.

00:01:41.140 No more people telling me I am your king because God told me I was your king.

00:01:48.960 Well, I can't sense that.

00:01:50.960 I can't feel that.

00:01:52.160 I can't taste that.

00:01:53.200 I can't see it, hear it, smell it.

00:01:55.360 I'm not going to buy into that because it's nonsense.

00:01:58.040 And so we put an end to nonsense and we came to common sense.

00:02:09.160 There is something in all of us called common sense.

00:02:14.140 And we're going to base our lives on common sense and the search for truth.

00:02:23.080 Being right isn't the important thing.

00:02:26.260 The actual search for truth is the important thing.

00:02:32.320 And we're not going to take the truth handed down to us from some king, from some priest.

00:02:43.500 We're going to find it ourself.

00:02:45.540 That was the Enlightenment.

00:02:47.020 Fix reason firmly in her seat and question with boldness even the very existence of God.

00:02:53.580 For if there be a God, he must surely rather honest questions over blindfolded fear.

00:03:00.900 Tell me the last time you saw an honest question come out of somebody on TV.

00:03:07.740 Tell me the last time you saw an honest question being uttered by a politician.

00:03:13.420 I mean, when I say honest question, I mean, one where the person is actually seeking the truth and it could change their mind.

00:03:24.000 They're willing to ask a question where if the person on the other side has a really great answer, they might say,

00:03:32.140 huh, I don't know, I don't know, I've never thought of it that way.

00:03:40.520 I can't respond to that right now.

00:03:42.460 I might have to get back to you.

00:03:44.620 When's the last time you saw that?

00:03:48.200 That's the spirit of the Enlightenment.

00:03:50.520 That is what set America apart.

00:03:53.900 But we have replaced our churches with our parties, with our ideological dogma.

00:04:05.580 We have replaced our church and our God with the planet and global warming.

00:04:11.980 Fix reason firmly in her seat. 0.99

00:04:13.940 Is global warming happening?

00:04:17.680 Well, it was for a while because I can read a thermometer 0.7 degrees in the last 100 years.

00:04:25.400 So is global warming happening?

00:04:28.160 Well, it was.

00:04:30.180 Yes.

00:04:31.560 Now, no.

00:04:33.720 Will it start again?

00:04:35.420 Maybe.

00:04:37.940 Do I believe in global warming?

00:04:40.540 Let me check the thermometers.

00:04:43.940 It's pretty easy.

00:04:46.920 Do I believe that it's man-made?

00:04:50.900 I don't know.

00:04:53.780 My reason tells me that you can't just trash the sky and the water and the forests and the land and everything.

00:05:04.220 Just trash it.

00:05:05.900 And everything's going to be great.

00:05:07.620 So, yeah, I think man does affect the planet.

00:05:14.940 Does he affect it enough with CO2, something that trees breathe, something that plants breathe?

00:05:26.840 I don't know.

00:05:28.180 Maybe.

00:05:29.080 I don't think so.

00:05:30.560 I've seen the science.

00:05:33.360 You can make a case.

00:05:35.360 I think you can make a stronger case the other way.

00:05:41.260 $14 trillion to fight it.

00:05:44.720 Does any of it work?

00:05:47.000 No.

00:05:47.460 If you believe in CO2, well then, common sense would say that you need to stop eating all animals.

00:05:58.420 Stop eating farm animals.

00:06:01.180 If you stop eating beef, you will do more to help, quote, the planet than getting rid of all of the cars and everything else combined.

00:06:14.180 It is the biggest factor.

00:06:16.800 So, if you fix reason firmly in her seat, I'll have a conversation with somebody who believes in global warming.

00:06:24.660 I'm going to have a hard time if it's your religion. 1.00

00:06:29.280 But if you're opened to a rational conversation and you're a vegetarian, a vegan, I'm cool.

00:06:38.920 Okay, at least you're consistent.

00:06:41.560 Now, let's have a discussion.

00:06:43.600 But I will not listen to somebody who has burger breath and telling me that we are five years away from not being able to turn things around.

00:06:55.120 You should be going after the meat industry, not the car industry, if that's what you believe.

00:07:06.040 Let's try this one.

00:07:13.600 If you believe that we have to stop children from picking up sticks and pretending that it's a gun.

00:07:25.980 That we must stop.

00:07:30.460 In fact, you've gone so far to classify finger guns, which all kids have played with forever.

00:07:37.980 That we have to fix our society because we are teaching our kids to be violent with the class two lookalike firearm.

00:07:50.320 That is now in the code book as a finger gun.

00:07:57.160 You know, like you used to as a kid.

00:07:59.500 That's a class two lookalike finger gun.

00:08:02.800 Okay.

00:08:03.840 All right.

00:08:04.900 You believe that that is so dangerous that our kids are pointing their fingers at one another that that teaches them to be violent.

00:08:15.900 Well, I'm I don't believe that, but I am with you if if you are leading the way in Hollywood to stop all violence in movies, because certainly if a kid points his finger with a finger gun and that's training him.

00:08:38.560 Certainly watching all that violence with big impressive stars has got to be doing something and God forbid with Hollywood.

00:08:49.300 Let's talk about gamings where we can gaming our kids can be in virtual reality with a machine gun.

00:08:59.220 They can be a sniper and shooting people in the head.

00:09:03.360 And you don't want to have a conversation about that at all.

00:09:08.680 What are you?

00:09:09.060 Oh, you just what are you some Neanderthal? 0.90

00:09:12.920 Oh, yeah, like the games are making it wait the class to lookalike finger gun that does. 0.93

00:09:20.100 But games don't.

00:09:21.600 I can't have a conversation with you.

00:09:24.220 I cannot have a conversation with you.

00:09:27.440 This is the problem.

00:09:28.640 There are two Americas and it is not left and right. 0.60

00:09:31.980 It is those who are willing to engage in logical conversation and actual thinking and those who want to do Common Core.

00:09:42.380 Two plus two equals five.

00:09:43.860 If you can show me how you got there.

00:09:49.340 You want to ban all guns.

00:09:51.980 Let's think this through.

00:09:52.940 We're the only country on Earth that has the right to bear arms in the Constitution.

00:10:04.200 So to get all guns taken away, to get ARs, ARs have been around since Vietnam.

00:10:11.580 Why is it that all of a sudden we're having shooting with AR?

00:10:18.220 Why are ARs a problem now? 0.99

00:10:20.380 They weren't a problem in the 70s, but they are suddenly now.

00:10:23.600 If you fix reason firmly in her seat, that will tell you something has changed within us, not the gun.

00:10:35.400 However, you want to take away all guns.

00:10:40.320 That will take you possibly a civil war, but it will take you years to get that done.

00:10:47.180 But you want to make sure that we we never have this problem in school again.

00:10:56.660 OK, well, then we probably shouldn't start with the guns.

00:11:01.100 We can talk about that as long as we fix reason firmly in her seat.

00:11:06.120 But are you aware that out of all of the mass shootings since 1950, all of them, only two, have happened in a place where people can carry guns?

00:11:21.100 Ninety eight point nine percent of all mass shootings in America have happened in a gun free zone.

00:11:33.320 That should tell you something.

00:11:35.000 How about this one?

00:11:37.420 I don't want my kids living in a prison.

00:11:40.960 Well, I don't want my kids living in a prison either.

00:11:44.500 Well, that's what it'll be if you have armed guards around our schools.

00:11:49.720 A prison?

00:11:51.560 I don't know.

00:11:52.480 I've gone to a football game recently.

00:11:55.300 They they practically gave me an anal cavity search. 0.74

00:11:59.960 It's a football game.

00:12:02.760 I didn't feel like I was living in a prison.

00:12:05.000 I go travel at the airport.

00:12:08.000 That's pretty intense.

00:12:09.520 I don't feel like the airport is a prison.

00:12:11.680 I feel it's nonsense, but I don't feel like it's a prison.

00:12:15.280 I go to a mega churches.

00:12:20.280 Mega churches have security everywhere.

00:12:22.660 Armed personnel.

00:12:23.880 I don't feel like that's a prison.

00:12:26.700 I go to a concert.

00:12:28.540 They check my wife's bag.

00:12:30.940 I walk through a metal detector.

00:12:32.660 I'm wanted.

00:12:33.460 I don't feel like the concert is a prison.

00:12:37.040 I go to a bank.

00:12:40.040 There's armed guards.

00:12:41.540 There are cameras everywhere.

00:12:43.680 Alarm systems.

00:12:45.160 I don't feel like I'm in a prison.

00:12:46.980 I feel like I'm in a bank.

00:12:48.640 Why is it?

00:12:50.880 We protect everything.

00:12:53.360 We make sure you're wanted for everything.

00:12:57.500 But God forbid we do that to protect our children.

00:13:00.640 Is the stuff in a bank worth more than your child?

00:13:03.460 Is a concert a higher priority to protect than our children in schools everywhere across the country?

00:13:16.960 I'm just trying to figure out what we're actually trying to accomplish here.

00:13:22.900 Because I don't think we're actually trying to accomplish anything except win.

00:13:32.060 That's it.

00:13:33.460 We're not actually trying to solve a problem.

00:13:36.060 Both sides just want to be right.

00:13:38.360 That's it.

00:13:41.320 They just want to make sure that we get guns off the street because they're right.

00:13:46.740 No.

00:13:47.220 No, I don't think that's been decided except for you in your mass.

00:13:54.760 In your church service, wherever you hold that strange, I hate the Second Amendment.

00:14:03.460 Church service, wherever you hold that ceremony.

00:14:06.520 That's what you've decided.

00:14:07.740 Now, I don't know if we can pull you out of your church long enough to fix reason firmly in her seat.

00:14:16.360 But the problem with our country is that we have officially, officially unpegged ourselves from the first principle of making this system, this grand American experiment that man can rule himself.

00:14:40.120 We have unpegged, we have unpegged, we have drawn up the anchor, and we have pulled out of the port of reason.

00:14:48.920 It is the enlightenment that gave this experience, this experiment, breath.

00:14:58.320 It gave it life.

00:15:01.520 Man cannot, cannot rule himself without reason.

00:15:07.340 We're better than this.

00:15:15.020 We know these things to be self-evident.

00:15:19.940 We have just put on jerseys.

00:15:22.620 I will tell you what I've told the NRA since the day I joined them.

00:15:28.860 I don't join clubs.

00:15:30.460 I don't join groups.

00:15:32.660 The only two groups that I think I belong to, my church, and I question all the time.

00:15:41.600 I'm in trouble all the time because I question all the time.

00:15:44.180 Good.

00:15:46.340 Same with the NRA.

00:15:47.560 The minute they would violate and start to become a political source that was betraying the Second Amendment in any way, I'm done with it.

00:15:58.960 That's the only reason.

00:16:00.580 I don't join for the discounts.

00:16:03.640 I join the NRA because they stand to protect the Second Amendment.

00:16:11.080 And they do it with reason.

00:16:13.460 The problem is, our society has unpegged from reason.

00:16:20.100 I urge you today, fix reason firmly in her seat and question with boldness.

00:16:26.640 Question to the point to where you're open to changing your mind.

00:16:31.660 Ask honest questions.

00:16:35.300 Because that's the only way we're going to save our children.

00:16:38.200 And don't get me even started on that story about the girl, I think, used to be a girl.

00:16:53.720 Now she's a boy, but she's wrestling girls. 1.00

00:16:58.340 And now the girls are upset because it's a boy.

00:17:00.940 I can't even figure it out.

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00:18:16.820 Glenn Beck Mercury.

00:18:29.660 Glenn Beck.

00:18:31.340 We're going to fix reason firmly in our seat and go over the Jake Tapper and the sheriff of Nottingham and his interview.

00:18:42.440 It was quite amazing if you haven't seen it.

00:18:47.000 We're going to go over it here in just a second.

00:18:48.620 Let me just give you one little highlight here.

00:18:50.380 Go ahead, Sarah.

00:18:50.880 Do you think that if the Broward Sheriff's Office had done things differently, this shooting might not have happened?

00:18:59.240 Listen, if ifs and buts were candy and nuts, you know, O.J. Simpson would still be in the record books.

00:19:04.960 I don't know what that means.

00:19:05.820 There are 17 dead people and there's a whole long list of things your department could have done differently.

00:19:11.700 Man.

00:19:12.580 Yeah.

00:19:12.820 You know, I think this is why I think Jake Tapper is one of the best journalists out there.

00:19:18.220 He'll piss you off one day and the very next day you'll be cheering for him.

00:19:22.320 It should show that maybe he's not as biased as as as I am.

00:19:28.240 You know what I mean?

00:19:29.180 That once in a while, you know, you're like, oh, why would you say that?

00:19:33.240 And but the very next day he is asking the same person really tough questions.

00:19:39.800 And boy, did he ask this sheriff tough questions.

00:19:42.820 Yes.

00:19:43.100 The sheriff pretty much every question that I had for every question I had and followed up on many of them as well.

00:19:48.720 I mean, he and created a whole list of new questions after the interview.

00:19:52.760 We should go through it because there was a lot there.

00:19:55.020 This guy is I don't know how he makes it through this with his job.

00:19:57.560 I don't know how this is a disaster.

00:20:01.180 We we fix reason firmly in her seat and and ask the sheriff some reasonable questions and really get tough answers back.

00:20:11.040 Glenn.

00:20:12.340 No answer back.

00:20:13.860 Mercury.

00:20:24.360 Another school shooting.

00:20:26.100 The gunfire lasted less than 10 minutes.

00:20:28.620 But this heavily armed with a bulletproof vest, loads of ammunition and a powerful AR-15.

00:20:33.380 Another debate about banning guns.

00:20:35.840 Keep assault rifles out of the hands of people who are going to shoot our kids.

00:20:40.140 I want this to be the catalyst, the end of the Second Amendment. 0.74

00:20:44.540 Now, more than ever, you need to know the facts.

00:20:48.580 Get control.

00:20:49.600 Exposing the truth about guns on Amazon and wherever books are sold.

00:20:53.100 All right.

00:20:54.840 So I am I want to talk to you about this school shooting and where we go from here.

00:21:00.660 But I I want to do it with with this in mind.

00:21:04.920 But if it meant if it meant if it meant that we could stop all shootings, would you consider an infringement on your Second Amendment right?

00:21:21.400 If it meant to me, the answer is yes.

00:21:25.860 But I know the evidence shows that it doesn't work.

00:21:30.280 So, no, no, if you could show me real evidence that this was an outdated mode of thinking and that, you know, we had somehow or another solved the reason why you should have guns in the first place.

00:21:47.580 And that is against tyranny and you need it for self-protection.

00:21:52.880 Well, then you could talk me into it.

00:21:54.860 But I never seen that evidence.

00:21:57.260 I've looked for that evidence, but I'm open to hearing new evidence.

00:22:02.720 Share away. 0.79

00:22:03.680 If you are on the other side and I could show you evidence that we could do a few things beside not taking away guns and it was effective.

00:22:21.540 Would you change your mind?

00:22:23.160 Would you say, well, let's start there?

00:22:25.200 And for both sides, if we could get to a place to where I could just say, look, you know, we want to have this gun debate.

00:22:35.400 That's fine.

00:22:36.140 But this is the one of the oldest debates in American history.

00:22:41.020 What is a militia?

00:22:43.120 So we're not going to solve this in the next couple of weeks.

00:22:46.420 Do we all believe that more that more shooting is coming?

00:22:51.300 I think it's safe to say, yes, we all know that.

00:22:53.560 OK, so what are we going to do to solve it?

00:22:56.840 Well, the first thing is, what can we learn from this shooting?

00:23:00.060 What can we learn from the last shooting?

00:23:01.760 We learned from the last shooting in the church that a somebody who is just a civilian with a firearm can stop the shooting.

00:23:11.760 But we also learned that the Air Force was not reporting people with mental health issues or issues with guns and domestic abuse to put them in the system.

00:23:22.420 That had to be changed.

00:23:24.700 Now, what have we learned on this one?

00:23:26.940 Well, I think one thing that we've learned is there's something wrong with this sheriff.

00:23:33.180 There's something wrong, deeply wrong in Broward County.

00:23:36.700 It's one thing to have one guy that stays out of the building and waits while the shooting is going on.

00:23:43.820 But there were four sheriff deputies.

00:23:46.100 He does.

00:23:46.600 He denies that, although his denial has lots of qualifications to it, which maybe we'll hear some of that here in this interview.

00:23:55.220 But I think, you know, there's also the thing of, you know, what do you learn from this mass shooting?

00:24:00.500 And one of the things I think when you're leading up to the mass shooting is if every citizen in America has told you that one specific person is going to do a school shooting,

00:24:09.060 that might be a time to understand that perhaps that person is in danger of doing a school shooting.

00:24:15.420 Maybe you should do something about that.

00:24:16.640 When you have the number of reports and the number of altercations with this student that they did and the sheriff's department did nothing, that's a problem.

00:24:25.360 That's a real problem.

00:24:26.040 And that's easy to fix.

00:24:27.140 Let's make sure that's not happening anyplace else.

00:24:30.020 Let's discuss this and get to the bottom of it.

00:24:32.740 Jake Tapper started unraveling this this hero sheriff's story over the weekend.

00:24:39.840 And let's start with why was there no report when they when they called and said he's going to be a school shooter?

00:24:48.860 He's a school shooter in the making and he has access to guns.

00:24:51.980 Why was there no report?

00:24:54.260 Listen, fewer than three months ago, your office received a call from a tipster explicitly saying that the crews could be a, quote, school shooter in the making.

00:25:03.940 According to notes released on that call, no report was even initiated.

00:25:08.240 At this point, sir, do you understand how the public seeing red flag after red flag after red flag, warning after warning after warning, they hear that your office didn't even initiate a report when they got a call saying that this guy could be a school shooter in the making?

00:25:23.540 How could there not even be a report on this one?

00:25:26.940 Well, if if that's accurate, Jake, there would there there needed to be a report.

00:25:31.020 And that's what we're looking into, that a report needed to be completed.

00:25:35.040 It needed to be forwarded to our either Homeland Security or violent crimes unit.

00:25:40.800 And they would have followed up on it from your notes.

00:25:42.820 That's from notes released by your office.

00:25:44.600 I'm not I'm not making this up.

00:25:45.900 This is from Broward.

00:25:47.320 No.

00:25:47.840 And that's and that's what that the the officer who handled that is on restrictive duty.

00:25:53.840 And we are at an active internal investigation.

00:25:56.540 And we are looking into it.

00:25:58.160 OK, so there's another person under his command that has failed to do the job yet.

00:26:05.380 He wanted more law enforcement power that should always scare people.

00:26:10.640 What are you doing with the power that you do have?

00:26:13.840 But he's been asking for more power.

00:26:16.140 Listen, the whole crux of this is giving law enforcement, giving deputies, giving police officers,

00:26:24.100 not only in Broward County, but in Florida and around the nation, expanded power to be

00:26:29.620 able to do something more than just write a report.

00:26:33.280 That's the whole reason I went on CNN.

00:26:35.680 Isn't it is it is it sir?

00:26:36.960 Isn't making a threat against a school a crime?

00:26:41.420 Not if it's not if the person doesn't have the ability to carry it out.

00:26:44.980 You could say a nonspecific threat.

00:26:47.640 I'm going to go to a school or that.

00:26:49.160 It's not a crime.

00:26:49.880 If the person doesn't have the apparent ability to carry it out, it's not a crime.

00:26:54.080 In September 2016, the shooter indicated he wanted to buy a gun.

00:26:57.420 Deputy Peterson knew about that.

00:26:59.840 He initiated a report.

00:27:01.420 The school launched a threat assessment.

00:27:03.160 At this point, you have somebody saying that they're going to shoot up a school and somebody

00:27:07.840 with a gun.

00:27:08.880 That's not enough.

00:27:11.220 That's not enough.

00:27:13.240 That's not enough.

00:27:15.760 Huh.

00:27:16.580 And that's just one of the incidents.

00:27:17.600 Of course, there's dozens.

00:27:18.600 But I mean, huh?

00:27:20.160 That's is that true?

00:27:22.000 Because his first answer is, do they have the ability to carry it out?

00:27:25.640 Yes.

00:27:26.180 Then he says, well, it has a gun reason.

00:27:28.820 OK, I'm going to calm down.

00:27:30.980 Calm down.

00:27:31.640 Stop using reason.

00:27:32.780 Let's just jump on his side or against him, depending on what our religion tells us to do.

00:27:38.600 That's true.

00:27:39.440 This is this is the problem.

00:27:41.040 This is the problem.

00:27:42.260 So reason would tell you, well, let's stop here.

00:27:46.120 Let's stop here.

00:27:47.560 Is that true?

00:27:48.880 Now, we know that's not true.

00:27:50.480 We know that's not true.

00:27:51.620 There was a a paper trail very long against this kid.

00:27:55.980 So you obviously have enough power to make sure that he is not around guns to make sure

00:28:02.460 that he gets some sort of medical treatment, et cetera, et cetera.

00:28:05.900 Whatever it is, you may not be able to throw him in prison, but you certainly can restrict

00:28:11.040 him with all of the stuff that we had.

00:28:13.900 So we know that's not true.

00:28:16.100 If it was true, that should be the first thing the sheriff is asking for right there.

00:28:21.860 Here's specifics.

00:28:23.420 I had thirty one, you know, complaints against this guy.

00:28:28.960 Nineteen of them we did exactly right.

00:28:31.820 Okay, we'll get back to the others that you didn't get right.

00:28:35.960 But on those 19, I couldn't do anything.

00:28:39.120 And we knew he had a gun.

00:28:40.480 We knew that he was holding it to people's heads.

00:28:43.120 We knew that he was threatening to shoot up the school and we couldn't do anything.

00:28:49.640 We know that's not true.

00:28:51.540 But if it is true or if it were true, that should be the first thing we work on, don't

00:28:57.040 you think?

00:28:58.000 Because there has to be other schools and other sheriffs that are facing the same thing.

00:29:02.620 I know this kid is going to go and do something because of the 19 reports that we have, but

00:29:08.960 I can't do anything.

00:29:10.060 We should hear from those sheriffs.

00:29:13.380 We should know.

00:29:14.720 Let us help you protect the children.

00:29:19.340 All right.

00:29:20.160 Next cut.

00:29:21.940 When did he know about Peterson?

00:29:24.060 I love this one.

00:29:25.420 When did you find out that Deputy Peterson had not gone into the building?

00:29:29.420 How soon after the shooting did you know that?

00:29:33.000 Not for days.

00:29:35.120 How many days?

00:29:36.860 Our investigators looked.

00:29:37.720 I'm not sure.

00:29:38.460 Because you spent much of the Wednesday night town hall on CNN with the entire Stoneman Douglas

00:29:44.180 community, students and teachers and parents attacking the NRA, saying that police need

00:29:49.820 more powers, more money to prevent future tragedies.

00:29:52.780 You didn't disclose any of this to the crowd then, the Stoneman Douglas high school community.

00:29:58.360 Did you know it then?

00:29:59.280 Did you know it Wednesday night?

00:30:00.320 It was spoken about earlier during that day.

00:30:06.040 I'm not on a timeline for TV or any news show.

00:30:09.320 We need to get it right.

00:30:10.860 We need to get it accurate.

00:30:12.160 We're talking about people's lives.

00:30:13.800 We're talking about a community.

00:30:15.760 We need to corroborate.

00:30:17.320 We need to verify.

00:30:18.200 And once we did the next day and I looked at the tape and I was 100 percent certain that

00:30:24.880 it happened the way I was told about, the investigators initially told me, told about.

00:30:29.500 I didn't even release it right that second.

00:30:31.400 You didn't look at the video?

00:30:32.180 One week after the shooting, you hadn't looked at the video yet?

00:30:34.920 I looked at the video as soon as our investigators, it wasn't my job to look at the video.

00:30:41.720 It was investigators' job to look at the video.

00:30:43.840 I'm still sheriffing this county.

00:30:47.440 There were many things to do.

00:30:48.780 We have investigators, homicide investigators, internal affairs investigators dissecting it.

00:30:53.760 And when they felt there was a video that, ready for my view, that I might take action

00:30:59.320 on one of our deputies, I looked at the video.

00:31:01.800 I mean, if you believe this guy hadn't seen that video before that town hall in a week's

00:31:07.240 time, then he needs to be dismissed as incompetent just for that.

00:31:11.240 I mean, there's tons of things that I would love to sell you.

00:31:13.940 But the other thing is, can you imagine, forget it even if he saw the video, he tells you there

00:31:18.300 that he knew about it going on stage.

00:31:20.260 Can you imagine the balls to go on stage on national television and yell at Dana Lash and

00:31:27.840 say that she's not standing up for these kids when you know that your deputy was actually

00:31:34.500 not standing up?

00:31:35.600 He was crouching behind a wall while people were being executed inside the school.

00:31:40.580 Can you imagine the balls to go on television and not bring that up?

00:31:46.220 Now, listen to this.

00:31:46.900 Listen to this idea.

00:31:47.780 It's incredible.

00:31:48.980 Let's just fix reason firmly in her seat. 0.87

00:31:50.900 And let's just use his logic.

00:31:52.580 He doesn't want to go on television because there's a crowd there.

00:31:57.980 It's community.

00:31:59.260 That's a community that is grieving.

00:32:01.120 And he wants to make sure you just don't go in front of that community, in front of that

00:32:05.040 crowd, unless he can verify everything.

00:32:07.580 And he's 100% sure that that's what happened.

00:32:13.900 So he was 100% sure that the NRA caused this shooting.

00:32:19.460 He's 100% sure that it was the gun and not the kid.

00:32:26.480 He was 100% sure, even though he had evidence presented to him that things could have been

00:32:36.740 different if not one, but four of his deputies would have moved in.

00:32:44.940 He was 100% sure that it was the NRA's fault.

00:32:48.880 But he wouldn't bring anything, he wouldn't bring anything about his group unless he was

00:32:56.100 100% sure.

00:32:56.920 And he just wasn't, he wasn't there.

00:32:58.280 But he was so sure that the people who weren't there were at fault.

00:33:03.160 I don't, I don't under, I don't understand that.

00:33:05.780 That doesn't seem like you're really doing an investigation.

00:33:08.660 That seems like a witch hunt.

00:33:10.320 Oh, and he didn't want to let that fact out in front of the families, in front of, in a

00:33:14.340 public forum.

00:33:14.960 He wanted to do it one-on-one, Glenn.

00:33:16.360 Yeah.

00:33:16.640 I wanted to make sure that was one-on-one.

00:33:17.980 I know.

00:33:18.340 Well, he did the very next morning in a press conference, so he didn't do it one-on-one.

00:33:24.200 He just put it out in a press release, talked to reporters about it.

00:33:27.420 Yeah, talked to reporters.

00:33:28.020 But in this interview with Jake Tapper, one of the reasons why he didn't do it was because

00:33:32.580 he needed to, you just didn't tell people like that in a crowd or just an impersonal

00:33:37.300 forum.

00:33:38.440 You, like the town hall, you needed to, you know, there was one parent that wasn't there

00:33:44.060 and he wanted to make sure everybody was there so he could personally tell them.

00:33:48.280 So all the parents were there at his press release?

00:33:50.860 No.

00:33:51.160 That's interesting.

00:33:52.100 No, it's strange, isn't it?

00:33:53.600 You let that crowd attack Dana Lash, calling her a murderer and all these other terrible

00:34:00.340 things.

00:34:00.820 It was mob.

00:34:01.740 It was a mob.

00:34:02.240 Christians and lions, as you've been talking about it.

00:34:04.000 I mean, absolute mob.

00:34:05.000 And you knew, as you were sitting on that stage and making it worse by putting more blame

00:34:12.100 on her and the NRA, you knew your own deputy, you were going to fire him the next day for

00:34:20.440 dereliction of duty because he didn't go in there.

00:34:22.980 You, your judgment of it, of his actions are so bad and you don't even bring that up and

00:34:28.100 in fact, you make it worse.

00:34:29.920 You make people go after her.

00:34:31.300 You make her life be threatened.

00:34:33.160 That is incomprehensible.

00:34:36.840 If this guy makes it through this thing with his job, that is, I don't even, there is absolutely

00:34:44.880 no justice.

00:34:46.100 I will tell you that during, during the town hall, during the town hall, CNN people wondered

00:34:55.900 if Dana and others had security to be able to get them out.

00:35:02.100 They've started to worry about the guests' security.

00:35:07.300 Wow.

00:35:09.020 Wow.

00:35:10.520 Huh.

00:35:12.040 I know I felt that way, but it's strange to hear CNN might have felt that way.

00:35:19.440 And yet they continued to go.

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00:36:32.960 Glenn Beck Mercury.

00:36:35.440 Glenn Beck.

00:36:43.300 There is a lot wrong with this sheriff, and we are going to go through our investigation

00:36:49.340 today at 5 o'clock.

00:36:51.660 You don't want to miss it.

00:36:54.300 What are the things that just don't make sense here?

00:36:57.000 And by the way, he was nailed for nepotism and hiring, you know, family members and campaign

00:37:05.080 people, $388,000 in cost, adding so he could have his campaign people on staff.

00:37:15.220 He's, there's something wrong here.

00:37:17.200 Glenn Beck Mercury.

00:37:18.500 The modern era progressive insurrection is coming.

00:37:34.080 The coming insurrection, something that we talked about about eight years ago.

00:37:39.040 We saw this beginning of this movement in France.

00:37:41.860 It's a political civil war fought within the Democratic Party's own house.

00:37:46.800 I'm convinced that there are two, there are two civil wars going on right now, and they're

00:37:52.760 both happening in each of the parties.

00:37:54.880 One is this, this infiltration and takeover by the alt-right of the GOP and the Democratic

00:38:03.760 Socialist takeover of the, uh, the Democratic Party.

00:38:10.680 On the one side in the Democrats, let's just talk about the Democrats here.

00:38:14.100 There's the new blood Democratic Socialists, basically just a, you know, PC and less scary

00:38:20.000 way of saying socialists or Marxists.

00:38:23.060 And on the other side, there is the establishment of Democrats.

00:38:26.520 The new blood is now angry.

00:38:28.840 And I think they're about to make their move.

00:38:31.220 California may be the first battleground state.

00:38:34.180 In a surprise and completely unexpected move, the California State Democratic Party decided

00:38:39.640 not to endorse Senator Dianne Feinstein as she gears up campaigning for the 2018 midterms.

00:38:47.200 Calling Feinstein a senior senator is a little misleading.

00:38:52.920 Uh, she's entrenched and been the senior senator for, oh, I think about 150 years.

00:38:58.800 She was, I believe she was talking about when she was running for governor, uh, and how the

00:39:05.740 last time she faced this was when she was running for governor.

00:39:08.660 And that was in 1990.

00:39:10.360 I believe she was older than me today.

00:39:14.220 She was older than I am today at that time in 1990.

00:39:20.640 Feinstein represents everything that the new blood is angry about.

00:39:24.980 In their eyes, she's a centrist, a Washington stooge, a corporate sellout, and they're tired

00:39:30.900 of the status quo, the capitulation, the lack of direction.

00:39:35.260 What is the Democratic platform right now?

00:39:38.720 Really?

00:39:39.080 What is it?

00:39:39.780 Resistance?

00:39:41.580 Opposition to Trump?

00:39:43.700 That's not a direction.

00:39:45.160 That's a spinning compass.

00:39:46.620 And it is exactly the same position that the GOP found itself in after seven years of

00:39:51.620 Obama.

00:39:51.980 The establishment had no clue how to reach their base anymore.

00:39:56.380 The one thing they knew everybody agreed on was Obamacare had to be stopped and it was

00:40:01.120 anyone but Hillary. 0.76

00:40:03.520 Resistance to one thing and one person is not a platform.

00:40:08.200 And this leads to disgruntled voters.

00:40:11.440 Trump came along and he listened to them.

00:40:14.600 And the result was probably the most stunning upset in American political history.

00:40:18.320 The radical progressives are the only voices on the left that are actually outlining any

00:40:24.740 kind of action or agenda.

00:40:27.280 To quote Feinstein's newly endorsed opponent within her own party.

00:40:32.360 It's not just about resistance.

00:40:34.100 It's about real laws.

00:40:36.720 And here's what they want.

00:40:37.880 Open borders, a single payer health care system.

00:40:40.540 They want a massive welfare state and they're tired of waiting for it to them, just like

00:40:45.820 we discussed years ago in the book from France, the coming insurrection, the slow creep and

00:40:52.860 eventual socialist takeover isn't working.

00:40:55.760 That's what they were complaining about in France.

00:40:57.580 It's taking too long.

00:40:59.000 And I don't think you view people that we elected that promised us this utopian world

00:41:03.920 are ever going to get there.

00:41:05.460 I think it's all about you.

00:41:08.360 And so in that book, the French were prepared to rise up and take it.

00:41:14.200 Progressives, democratic socialists, whatever they're calling themselves these days, they

00:41:18.740 are coming for the incumbents, the people like Dianne Feinstein.

00:41:23.740 Whether she'll lose or not at this time, I don't know.

00:41:26.840 But they are coming and they're the only ones left with an actual plan.

00:41:31.320 They're the only ones with an actual voice and message.

00:41:34.280 Democrats are about to make a hard turn to the extreme left.

00:41:40.060 What's going down in California, I believe, is just the beginning.

00:41:47.900 It's Monday, February 26.

00:41:50.740 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:41:52.660 So today, we started the show with the school shooting and this plea to revive the Enlightenment,

00:42:06.020 which is what the movement was that created this country.

00:42:10.040 The idea that man can rule himself is being lost because man's proving the point that he

00:42:17.080 can't because he has he's given in to the the religion of the day, our political ideology.

00:42:26.340 And so we're changing positions.

00:42:28.400 We're going back and forth.

00:42:30.040 Nothing makes sense.

00:42:31.720 There is no common sense anymore.

00:42:33.900 When a class to lookalike firearm, a finger gun can get somebody in trouble.

00:42:40.000 Because that's teaching our kids to be violent.

00:42:43.160 But Hollywood, nobody's even talking about that or gaming where you're in a virtual world

00:42:49.800 with a gun and you're shooting people's heads off.

00:42:52.260 Well, that's nothing to worry about.

00:42:54.000 But a class to firearm, something's wrong.

00:42:57.420 We have no reason.

00:42:59.220 And I want to start focusing on people who are using reason and are are breaking the norms.

00:43:06.220 People who are, oh, think of this open to having their minds changed one way or another.

00:43:13.160 I think journalism is in real trouble because we are we're just you know what you're going

00:43:22.940 to read from whatever, you know, news organization you go to.

00:43:27.380 You would think reading Politico that Politico is on the left.

00:43:32.800 I think most conservatives believe that I'm not sure that they would agree with that.

00:43:37.440 But the editor in chief of Politico magazine, Blake Hounsell, is a guy who has written a

00:43:45.280 piece lately that I don't know if he's getting heat for saying, wait a minute, hang on just

00:43:49.820 a second.

00:43:50.440 I'm not so sure about this Donald Trump collusion charge anymore.

00:43:57.900 Blake, I'm interested in this piece because it's a it's a it's an interesting piece called

00:44:03.000 Confessions of a Russiagate Skeptic.

00:44:05.020 And you point out that there are really serious questions that need to be answered and serious

00:44:09.060 things that have happened as they've gone through these investigations.

00:44:12.900 But you bring up an interesting point, which is something I think we've talked about a lot

00:44:18.040 on the show.

00:44:18.540 We weren't big Donald Trump fans here.

00:44:21.620 And but I've kind of felt the same thing that a lot of these claims about Russiagate

00:44:27.700 and the outward intentional collusion with Russia may be overblown.

00:44:32.480 Can you go through kind of how you came to this conclusion?

00:44:35.700 And I'd love to hear, too, if you're getting pushback from people who do seem to have an

00:44:40.960 investment in making sure that this is true.

00:44:43.360 Sure.

00:44:43.960 And thanks so much for having me on.

00:44:45.620 This is something I've been thinking about for a while as I watched some of the breathless

00:44:51.080 coverage of the Russia scandal.

00:44:53.040 And, you know, by the way, let me just say that I think that the Russian meddling in the

00:44:59.720 election is a serious matter.

00:45:01.800 And I think so do we saw in the indictments in the thank you indictments from Mueller of

00:45:08.420 the 13 Russians and the three Russian organizations.

00:45:11.820 They definitely tried to mess with our democracy.

00:45:15.360 And that is serious business.

00:45:17.260 The question is really whether Donald Trump was personally involved in cutting a deal with

00:45:26.180 the Russians to help him win the election.

00:45:28.840 And I'm skeptical for a number of reasons, one of which is that I watched the Trump campaign

00:45:35.720 and it was a mess.

00:45:37.580 I mean, it's certainly an achievement that they dispatched a pretty strong Republican field

00:45:44.000 and they beat Hillary Clinton, who was a, if not a formidable candidate, she certainly 0.98

00:45:50.280 had a formidable war chest and the organs of the Democratic Party behind her. 0.99

00:45:56.300 But, you know, remember, this campaign was really disorganized.

00:46:00.220 And I think Steve Bannon, of all people, said it best when he said we couldn't even collude

00:46:04.540 with the Republican National Committee, let alone the Russians.

00:46:07.580 And from everything that we saw covering the campaign, I think that's true.

00:46:15.400 I mean, these guys couldn't couldn't organize a two car parade.

00:46:19.360 And and also this is something I didn't mention in the piece, but I think it's worth noting.

00:46:25.080 They didn't expect to win.

00:46:26.980 So if they were counting on this sweet deal with the Russians to get elected, why were they 0.97

00:46:33.880 leaking, you know, in the weeks running up to November 8th that that they would that they

00:46:40.000 were going to lose?

00:46:40.600 They were all looking for their next gig.

00:46:43.180 Trump was, you know, quietly working on Trump television.

00:46:45.880 And from all by all accounts, he was shocked that he actually won.

00:46:50.840 So I don't think that kind of thing squares with this notion that there was some secret

00:46:56.980 collusion.

00:46:58.200 You know, having said that, he certainly seemed open to the idea.

00:47:02.380 Right.

00:47:02.560 The Trump Tower meeting with Don Jr.

00:47:04.640 where he said, you know, there's this crazy email from this British promoter who says, hey,

00:47:11.640 you remember that thing about how the Russians are going to help your father get elected?

00:47:15.640 I've got some dirt for you.

00:47:17.020 And Don Jr.

00:47:17.700 emails back, you know, if it's what you say it is, I love it, especially later in the

00:47:21.480 summer.

00:47:22.280 But then there's no follow up as far as we can tell.

00:47:24.920 You know, it seems like it was a meeting on false pretenses by these people who were trying

00:47:31.500 to get the Magnitsky Act sanctions lifted.

00:47:36.460 And it's not clear what their connection was to the Russian government.

00:47:41.600 I think the Trump people were disappointed because they were expecting some better dirt

00:47:47.800 than they got, which was some stuff related to Bill Browder, who's a former hedge fund guy

00:47:53.640 who's been funding and leading these efforts to sanction the Russians because his lawyer

00:47:59.400 was killed in mysterious circumstances years ago in Russia.

00:48:04.080 So it's murky.

00:48:06.480 But I think people have really gotten ahead of their skis.

00:48:09.720 So there are lots of reasons to doubt a sort of strong version of the collusion argument.

00:48:14.820 So, Blake, I think we're in lockstep on this.

00:48:17.380 I, too, believe that the Russians, I don't know if they were trying to affect the election

00:48:24.840 as much as they are trying to cause chaos and distrust.

00:48:27.760 I mean, that's their own words.

00:48:29.660 They are trying to pit us against each other and destroy us from within.

00:48:35.760 I mean, the enemy has to come from within for us to really fall, if you believe Abraham 0.99

00:48:39.960 Lincoln.

00:48:40.840 A house divided against itself cannot stand.

00:48:43.660 And we're doing a nice job at that.

00:48:45.380 And we're doing great.

00:48:47.480 Yeah, we're we're we're we're doing that expertly.

00:48:50.080 America's number one.

00:48:51.060 Yeah, we're number one of that.

00:48:52.940 The the the do you see a willingness in the press to find the real answer, which to me is

00:49:04.100 the real answer is Russia is real trouble.

00:49:08.060 And if we don't pay attention and we don't start doing things that we need to do, they

00:49:12.820 are going to get better at this and and and and and and hurt us as we did them in the

00:49:20.380 1980s and early 1990s.

00:49:23.520 Do you see a willingness in the press on either side to stop making this about Hillary Clinton

00:49:30.460 or Donald Trump and make this about the Russians and what they're trying to do to us?

00:49:35.920 Well, you know, I think it's hard to generalize about the press.

00:49:38.760 There's lots of reporters who are trying to dig into the facts of the investigation.

00:49:44.000 And, you know, there's opinion folks that are trying to make score political points on

00:49:50.760 one side or the other all the time.

00:49:52.180 I do think there is like a real bipartisan concern out there about how to stop the Russians

00:50:00.500 the next time around.

00:50:02.200 But nobody's really talking about the point that you made, which is that the reason they

00:50:08.900 were able to have any success and it's hard to say what kind of success they had and how

00:50:13.680 do we measure what the what the impact of their efforts was.

00:50:17.680 Um, we are so divided as a country, we're tearing each other apart every day.

00:50:23.420 Um, people are sharing, you know, fake and misleading news all the time.

00:50:28.960 And, um, because the partisan divide has gotten so wide and so deep in this country, um, it's

00:50:37.860 like child's play for a country like Russia and manipulate us. 0.84

00:50:43.340 I mean, when you see what they, when you, when you see what they did, they took positions

00:50:47.160 on, on, on what was it, uh, right after the election, they did a not my president and a

00:50:53.520 celebratory, you know, pro Donald Trump party, both in New York city.

00:50:57.520 They took the side of the cops against black lives matter and against the cops with black 0.96

00:51:03.260 lives matter.

00:51:03.980 I mean, that's all they were trying to do is to get us to the extreme to argue with each

00:51:09.620 other and hate each other.

00:51:10.680 Um, yeah, and they, they, they're doing a bang up job of it.

00:51:14.100 I mean, remember that, um, you know, people talk about how Michael Flynn went to that,

00:51:18.320 um, Russia today gala dinner in Moscow.

00:51:20.620 Yeah.

00:51:21.240 Well, guess who was there?

00:51:22.320 Jill Stein, the green party candidate.

00:51:24.580 Um, and she's never really adequately explained what she was doing there.

00:51:28.380 Um, and then you have lots of evidence, including in the indictment that the Russians were trying

00:51:32.980 to help Bernie Sanders and boost his campaign during the election.

00:51:35.980 Um, so, you know, you have to keep in mind that Vladimir Putin is a completely amoral guy.

00:51:42.760 He doesn't really have an ideology other than Putinism.

00:51:46.420 And, you know, he doesn't care whether he's supporting Republicans or Democrats or the

00:51:50.480 green party or libertarians or whoever.

00:51:53.220 He just wants to cause chaos.

00:51:57.240 Um, and, you know, it's, it suited his purpose during the election to, uh, help out Donald

00:52:03.700 Trump.

00:52:04.060 And then it suited his purposes after the election to boost the left and hurt Donald Trump.

00:52:09.340 Um, this is a guy who only cares about power and, uh, frankly, you know, he's winning right

00:52:16.000 now.

00:52:16.220 How, uh, back to Stu's original question, you getting any pushback from the, you know, the

00:52:22.920 politicos of the world, uh, so to speak, uh, that are, are, uh, you know, in want to make

00:52:30.500 this the story of one side or the other, you know, Democrats, Republicans bad.

00:52:35.180 Um, yeah, I mean, I was, you know, I was hesitant to write this and I'd been thinking about it

00:52:40.640 for a while, uh, for exactly that reason, um, that, uh, I was afraid I was going to be

00:52:46.380 accused of, um, you know, covering for Donald Trump or, you know, offering him support that

00:52:53.840 he didn't deserve.

00:52:55.380 And, um, you know, finally I just had to get it off my chest and say what I thought, um,

00:53:00.600 um, because, uh, you know, I, I think that people have gotten way out of control and beyond

00:53:05.900 the facts on this.

00:53:07.140 Um, yeah, I've gotten a fair amount of, uh, respectful, not hateful, uh, criticism on Twitter,

00:53:14.560 uh, mostly from the left.

00:53:16.740 Um, and so, and then there are people that are kind of welcoming me into one ideological

00:53:24.500 side or another.

00:53:25.740 I'm just trying to, you know, call it straight.

00:53:28.320 Right.

00:53:28.980 Blake, we're not trying to welcome you into one side or another.

00:53:31.580 What we're trying to do is say, thank you for saying something that we know probably

00:53:35.340 cost you, uh, because you believed it.

00:53:38.240 Not, it's not because we believe it, but because you believed it.

00:53:42.380 Uh, we need more brave people to actually say what they think is right and take that risk.

00:53:47.220 Thanks, Blake.

00:53:47.860 Appreciate it.

00:53:48.520 I appreciate it.

00:53:49.240 Thanks.

00:53:54.300 And that's, uh, Blake Hounshell, the, uh, editor in chief of Politico.

00:53:57.480 So, so it's a big deal when, when something like this comes out, the article is confessions

00:54:01.020 of a Russiagate skeptic.

00:54:02.200 And I encourage you to read the whole thing because they go through piece by piece, Papadopoulos,

00:54:06.080 Carter page, uh, Michael Flynn, all the accusations and, and, and take them on and in a way that

00:54:11.160 I think is not expected by the rest of the media.

00:54:12.920 So really interesting piece.

00:54:14.380 We'll tweet it from at Glenn Beck and at world of stupid courage is contagious.

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00:55:40.400 Glenn Beck Mercury.

00:55:46.720 Coming up in just a little while, we have John Lott.

00:55:57.360 He is probably, uh, the, the best, um, statistician, would you call him, uh, statistician on, uh,

00:56:08.800 on guns.

00:56:09.800 He is a co-author of, uh, my book, Control, The Truth About Guns.

00:56:15.620 Um, and we have him to come in and just, let's, let's fix reason firmly in her seat. 1.00

00:56:21.680 And let's talk about the actual stats of guns and ARs and everything else.

00:56:28.100 And let's base our life on facts, not on feelings.

00:56:32.840 Uh, that's going to be hard to do in this, in this world that is, you know, disconnected

00:56:37.880 from reason.

00:56:38.680 But let's at least stand our ground.

00:56:41.560 And going back to a quick, uh, Blake Hounshell from Politico, again, point this out.

00:56:45.980 This is a guy who is the editor-in-chief of Politico saying, hey, I don't know if there's

00:56:49.740 really that much to a lot of the things that the media is emphasizing when it comes to the

00:56:54.320 Russia thing.

00:56:55.060 And I think it's important to highlight people from the left or from the mainstream media

00:56:59.400 who come and say, hey, wait a minute, let's take, let's take, let's take a breath here.

00:57:03.000 And let's, you know, let's maybe go push against what the rest of the media is saying.

00:57:07.160 I know that when, whenever we talk about Russia and say, hey, there is something here from

00:57:11.800 Russia, we get pushback from the bright parts of the world who say, we're not, I don't know,

00:57:16.240 being loyal enough to Donald Trump.

00:57:17.580 And we haven't been, couldn't have been clearer that we don't think this is a Donald Trump

00:57:20.820 issue.

00:57:21.300 It's not.

00:57:21.860 Um, it's important that I think we highlight those voices when they are out there.

00:57:25.580 Uh, and again, you can read that at Glenn Becker at world of stew on Twitter.

00:57:29.300 Back in a second.

00:57:35.600 Glenn back.

00:57:37.160 Mercury.

00:57:48.940 This is the Glenn Beck program.

00:57:54.720 I want to continue the conversation we, we were having before the break about courage.

00:58:02.840 Have you noticed that courage is not rewarded anymore?

00:58:07.160 Courage is courage to speak your mind.

00:58:11.660 For instance, uh, we just had Blake Hounshell on, uh, he was, he's the editor in chief of

00:58:16.780 Politico.

00:58:17.940 Now here's a guy who has pressure for clicks, pressure from his peers, pressure in this,

00:58:27.940 this world that he lives in, of, of group think pressure in the world that he lives in of political

00:58:37.120 power and posturing.

00:58:38.500 And he says himself in the interview that he was, he was concerned about saying, wait, I'm

00:58:48.780 not sure there's anything to this Donald Trump collusion thing.

00:58:52.060 Now here's the editor in chief of the Politico.

00:58:57.060 You'd think he wouldn't be afraid of anything, but he was afraid.

00:59:02.880 Why?

00:59:03.760 Because we've let our ideologies become our religion, our religions, our actual religion, our churches

00:59:15.520 are even answering to the higher power.

00:59:19.720 And that is politics.

00:59:24.680 We are all becoming members of the church of the GOP or the DNC.

00:59:35.580 And just like all churches, man, we fight against each other.

00:59:41.120 If you are a part of that church, you're going to hell.

00:59:46.780 You're part of the devil.

00:59:50.720 I've come to a place to where I just don't believe any of that.

00:59:53.880 I just don't believe it.

00:59:57.020 And you know what?

00:59:57.980 If God is, if that's God, then I don't want any part of him.

01:00:02.660 If God is this guy who is like, yeah, there's a really good person who's really trying to

01:00:08.300 really be great.

01:00:09.980 And he's following the faith that he finds honestly in his heart.

01:00:14.500 And you're going to damn him to hell.

01:00:17.560 I don't know what, I don't understand any of it then.

01:00:21.300 I don't understand what I was supposed to learn from Jesus.

01:00:24.500 If that's the truth.

01:00:27.380 And I know that makes me a heretic.

01:00:30.300 Good.

01:00:31.540 Good.

01:00:33.660 I'm not saying it's true.

01:00:35.740 It's where I am.

01:00:45.560 I don't know what truth is anymore.

01:00:50.660 Because truth is supposed to be verifiable.

01:00:56.160 Everything else is faith.

01:00:59.440 Truth is verifiable.

01:01:01.140 And even truth can change when it comes to scientific truths.

01:01:08.120 We take theories and we've made them into truth.

01:01:12.760 I, you know, evolution?

01:01:15.740 I don't think so.

01:01:17.540 But I don't know.

01:01:19.080 The big bang could be, but it's a theory.

01:01:29.400 I don't know what happened before the big bang.

01:01:33.180 What led the fuse?

01:01:34.780 What's first cause?

01:01:36.020 I don't know.

01:01:37.580 You don't know.

01:01:38.900 We have to be able to have these conversations without damning each other.

01:01:51.840 Jake Tapper.

01:01:55.640 Boy, I wish he, I wish he would have done.

01:01:59.000 I wish he would have said more at the town hall, but I don't know what he could have said at the town hall.

01:02:05.920 The problem was the town hall itself.

01:02:09.720 CNN should not have put 4,000 grieving, angry people into an auditorium to have a reasoned, rational debate.

01:02:20.680 It was destined to be a bloodlust from the very beginning.

01:02:26.380 Do I wish he would have said something?

01:02:30.020 Yes, I do.

01:02:31.060 But he didn't.

01:02:33.500 Over the weekend, he did an unbelievable job of excoriating this sheriff when he had the facts and he asked simple questions.

01:02:45.980 I pointed this out over the weekend and man, it's incredible.

01:02:51.980 Jake Tapper can do no, nothing right.

01:02:54.580 A guy who was a hero of journalism to so many on the right just a few years ago when he pushed the administration up against the wall is now the devil himself.

01:03:06.880 Why?

01:03:07.700 Because he's asking tough questions of the administration.

01:03:10.840 Isn't that what we want?

01:03:13.220 I don't want someone who is asking easy questions of either side.

01:03:18.820 I want the truth.

01:03:24.580 You know, the commanding voice, the voice that speaks little, but when it speaks, it has compelling moral authority.

01:03:44.480 That's gone.

01:03:45.580 We don't have that anymore.

01:03:53.260 We have flattened every distinction out.

01:03:56.900 We don't want anything different.

01:03:59.800 We want uniformity.

01:04:01.900 We want to all walk in lockstep.

01:04:05.880 That's not who we are.

01:04:08.080 Respect for the, for the noble, for the great, for the brave, for the rare, for the, for the man or woman that only appears every hundred or thousand years.

01:04:27.000 That that's gone.

01:04:28.720 Respect is gone.

01:04:31.080 Ask anybody.

01:04:32.600 Who do you really respect?

01:04:34.620 The answer will literally be nobody, nothing.

01:04:41.180 This is our age, the age of unrespecting, the age of mediocrity.

01:04:51.720 That's not who we are.

01:04:53.420 If you want to be a leader today, man, even a mediocre leader, going to pull you down from every side.

01:05:08.060 You're going to be shot at from every side.

01:05:10.860 You are constantly and in every way from every side being pulled down.

01:05:16.700 And let me ask you, do you know anybody alive today that's going to be remembered in a hundred years or a thousand years?

01:05:27.100 You know, anybody?

01:05:29.840 Do you know, have you, have you seen anyone that is, is living today?

01:05:35.460 Anybody that has the respect and the staying power of Plato or Aristotle or Paul, Augustine, Aquinas, Lincoln, Immanuel Kant, Bonhoeffer, Churchill, King.

01:05:56.100 Do you see them?

01:06:06.100 America, you are good.

01:06:13.040 No matter where you're hearing my voice, you are good.

01:06:18.320 Unfortunately, in today's world, it's not enough just to be good.

01:06:31.300 You have to be good for something.

01:06:36.680 What is it that you are contributing?

01:06:39.700 What is it that you are, that you are building?

01:06:43.540 What good are you bringing to the world?

01:06:45.780 Will it be said of you, the world was a better place because you were alive?

01:06:59.100 You have to be good for something and that good is something that you must spread to others.

01:07:07.400 America is great because America was good.

01:07:10.420 And we spread it to others, not out of arrogance like we have in the last hundred and twenty years.

01:07:20.860 But because what we created was good.

01:07:23.180 We're living in a world of mediocrity.

01:07:31.780 We are living in a world that is pushing, strangely, sameness and otherness.

01:07:40.220 You are either with us or against us.

01:07:43.900 You're either in lockstep on everything or nothing at all.

01:07:49.140 Rise above it.

01:07:55.900 Be better than that.

01:08:00.140 Rise above mediocrity.

01:08:03.700 Rise above indifference.

01:08:10.180 Rise above the crowd.

01:08:12.920 And when the whole crowd has turned their back on you, that's okay.

01:08:24.300 At this time in history, the crowd is wrong.

01:08:27.300 And if you ever see someone in that crowd turn for just a second, they turn and they recognize common sense and they recognize common truths.

01:08:42.060 Make sure you say to that person in the crowd, good for you.

01:08:46.620 Yes.

01:08:47.260 Because if they begin to turn and you look at them and say, what good are you anyway?

01:08:53.720 Where were you the rest of the time?

01:08:55.780 They will never turn your way again.

01:09:00.660 No matter if they spit on you, no matter if they hate you, it doesn't matter.

01:09:07.680 The world has always hated those people.

01:09:13.320 It's always hated the people who wouldn't go with the crowd.

01:09:17.860 This is our greatest opportunity to really prove who we are and what we believe.

01:09:25.240 Don't get tired.

01:09:29.420 Become committed.

01:09:30.500 Screw your courage to the sticking place and stand for something.

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01:11:09.240 Glenn Beck Mercury.

01:11:21.040 Glenn Beck.

01:11:22.600 So there's a story that I read that I just can't figure out.

01:11:26.280 I don't know how this is bad.

01:11:27.920 Donald Trump decorated the Oval Office with hand-me-downs from past presidents.

01:11:35.340 He's in respect the office, Glenn.

01:11:37.360 I can't believe that.

01:11:38.820 This is one of the greatest stories.

01:11:40.260 This makes me go, yeah, because I would not expect this from Donald Trump.

01:11:44.740 This is a great Donald Trump story.

01:11:46.240 This is a great Donald Trump story.

01:11:48.260 If you look at the photos of the White House over the years, you'll find that Trump has just borrowed a number of design elements from his predecessors.

01:11:55.920 His predecessors, Dwight Eisenhower and Jimmy Carter, both skipped redecorating that follows a new president's ascension to the White House.

01:12:04.440 Even Ronald Reagan didn't break out his interior design until his second term.

01:12:08.560 Still, most modern presidents have redesigned the space to fit their own taste.

01:12:14.140 I thought the whole thing would be dipped in gold by now.

01:12:16.960 Okay?

01:12:17.600 That's what everyone said it was going to happen.

01:12:19.000 He's going to put his name on the front of it.

01:12:20.500 So, remember when George Bush said, the first question you get once you are elected president is you get a call from the White House and they say, what do you want your rug to look like?

01:12:30.800 Okay?

01:12:31.540 I think Donald Trump's answer was, I don't know, is there an old one laying around?

01:12:38.500 He's using Ronald Reagan's rug, George Bush's couches.

01:12:42.900 Because, in this story, Barack Obama's desk, that's, oh boy.

01:12:50.720 You'd have to go into that one.

01:12:51.920 Yeah.

01:12:52.340 The Abraham Lincoln bust that was last displayed by Barack Obama.

01:12:57.420 Gerald Ford's large case, you know, grandfather clock.

01:13:02.940 A portrait of Jefferson hung by Lyndon Johnson and Bill Clinton's drapes.

01:13:08.320 Amen.

01:13:09.080 Good.

01:13:10.180 He didn't spend anything.

01:13:11.140 What do you have?

01:13:12.040 I love this.

01:13:13.140 They have cleaned those drapes, right?

01:13:15.120 I don't know if they could get everything out of the rug, but they did clean the drapes.

01:13:19.880 Here's another story that would be interesting to see the media cover.

01:13:24.340 North Korea's cheerleaders that became the media darlings at the Winter Olympics.

01:13:30.840 Yeah, it was a great story.

01:13:32.100 They really were passionate about the North Korean team.

01:13:35.740 Yeah.

01:13:36.240 Yeah.

01:13:36.580 Yeah.

01:13:37.200 New report out at Bloomberg.

01:13:38.720 Bloomberg, apparently, they're also sex slaves for the dictatorship.

01:13:43.600 They have to attend daily parties to promote propaganda, and they must provide sexual services to the party leadership, whether they want to or not.

01:13:57.100 It might seem like a fancy show on the outside.

01:14:00.760 However, they have to go to parties and provide sexual services, and that kind of pain follows.

01:14:07.840 Oh.

01:14:08.600 I wonder if anybody, you know, from the press would like to take it back that they were so funny and so cheery.

01:14:15.840 Maybe they were very happy because that was a moment where they weren't doing that.

01:14:21.520 Clapping for a team is a lot better in unison than what they had to do at home.

01:14:25.520 And there's one more story out.

01:14:28.780 You remember the cat lady from New York?

01:14:32.680 Yeah, yeah.

01:14:33.380 Yeah.

01:14:33.540 She's come out in a new press story and said, I've never had any plastic surgery at all.

01:14:39.660 This is all natural.

01:14:41.520 She made with a cat? 0.85

01:14:42.600 I don't know.

01:14:44.920 Glenn Beck.

01:14:46.760 Mercury.

01:14:53.180 Love.

01:14:54.380 Courage.

01:14:56.100 Truth.

01:14:57.820 Glenn Beck.

01:14:59.180 Abraham Lincoln said, I am a firm believer in the people.

01:15:03.380 If given the truth, they can be dependent upon to meet any national crisis.

01:15:09.020 But the great point is to bring them the real facts.

01:15:14.420 So we're going to do that this half hour.

01:15:16.660 Let's let's start here with the facts about the hashtag never again movement and the upcoming March for our lives rally that is planned for March 24th in Washington, D.C.

01:15:25.900 For for over a week now, CNN and the rest of the media portrayed this movement as grassroots and totally teen driven.

01:15:35.140 And maybe it was at the very beginning, but it's not anymore.

01:15:39.220 Just a few days after the horrible tragedy at Stoneman Douglas High School, a junior Cameron case Caskey set up a GoFundMe account to raise money for the March for our lives.

01:15:51.980 Caskey is the teenager who confronted Senator Rubio on stage at CNN's monster truck rally event last Wednesday night.

01:16:00.280 And so far, 32,000 people have donated $2.5 million to go to the GoFundMe account.

01:16:09.440 2.5.

01:16:11.200 So, you know, that is more money than we raised by far for restoring honor on the National Mall.

01:16:19.080 So what is this money going for?

01:16:22.760 Well, on the GoFundMe page, Caskey says the funds will be spent on the incredibly difficult and expensive process that is organizing an event like this.

01:16:32.560 How does she know how much it costs?

01:16:36.120 We have people making more specific plans, but for now, know that this is the March and for everything left over is going to be going to victims funds.

01:16:44.780 The March for our lives has now received an additional $3.5 million in pledges from George Clooney, Oprah Winfrey, Steven Spielberg, Jeffrey Katzenberg, Gucci, and Eli Broad.

01:16:59.180 Cameron Caskey's father said that Cameron and friends are being directed by people with knowledge of how to responsibly spend this money, and it's going to be very transparent.

01:17:10.640 End quote.

01:17:11.040 Well, I hope it's better than George Clooney's September 11th fund.

01:17:17.220 Caskey's dad also said that with Clooney's help, the teens have been able to bring some attorneys in, some administrative help, and public relations firm, whose clients include Meryl Streep, Will Smith, Charlize Theron, Woody Allen.

01:17:31.080 Hmm.

01:17:31.620 Keep him away from the teenagers.

01:17:33.160 So why do you need all of this if it's such a grassroots thing driven by teenagers?

01:17:39.760 Because these are now 16-year-olds with over $6 million at their disposal.

01:17:46.140 Already, the March for our Lives rally has a slick website selling merchandise.

01:17:51.920 This is a political campaign.

01:17:54.480 Make no mistake.

01:17:55.300 The new spokesperson for the rally said, yes, yes, any leftover funds going towards supporting a continuing long-term effort by and for young people to end the epidemic of mass shootings that has turned our classrooms into crime scenes.

01:18:12.740 In other words, March for our Lives is essentially a new gun control lobbying firm started by 16-year-old kids, but not run by 16-year-old kids.

01:18:25.180 And by the way, my question would have been, you have an official spokesperson now?

01:18:30.120 The teens have brought in Dina Katz to help organize the rally.

01:18:35.540 Katz is the co-executive producer of Dancing with the Stars.

01:18:40.260 Oh, and she was the co-executive director of the Los Angeles Women's March.

01:18:43.700 Eh, no big deal.

01:18:45.440 The rally is also being organized in collaboration with a nonprofit group called Every Town for Gun Safety.

01:18:52.580 The advisory board of this group includes one former governor and six former mayors, all Democrats.

01:18:58.400 It also includes Michael Bloomberg, Warren Buffett, and Kenneth Lehrer, who helped start the Huffington Post, BuzzFeed, oh, and the website StopTheNRA.com.

01:19:11.360 Kasky said the march in D.C. will include a protest outside of the White House where they will destroy AR-15 rifles.

01:19:20.840 He told CBS at the end of the day, this isn't a red and blue thing.

01:19:25.280 This isn't Democrats or Republicans.

01:19:26.820 This is about everybody and how we're begging for our lives.

01:19:31.520 Now, perhaps Kasky truly feels that way, but it's a crash course in how American politics and media work.

01:19:38.780 This may have started as a teen cause, but it has been hijacked by very powerful forces on the left, and they have a very specific agenda.

01:19:48.180 Imagine if this was on the other side, what the press would be saying about the funding if just one of the Koch brothers would have written a check for $100,000.

01:20:11.020 Imagine what the media would be saying.

01:20:14.080 We want to stick to the facts, fix reason firmly in her seat, and question with boldness even the very existence of God.

01:20:23.280 For if there be a God, he must surely rather honest questions over blindfolded fear.

01:20:27.700 That was Thomas Jefferson, and that is the spirit of the Enlightenment.

01:20:31.000 That was the spirit of America, but we have lost that.

01:20:33.640 Now everybody's just trying to win.

01:20:35.260 Well, let's stop trying to win, and let's actually start to figure out what is happening.

01:20:41.300 There's something deep inside of our children that has changed.

01:20:45.860 ARs have been available since Vietnam.

01:20:49.120 Kids weren't shooting each other.

01:20:51.280 What's happened to us?

01:20:53.160 And let's get the facts on guns and the actual facts on what the proposals actually mean.

01:21:01.200 Will they help our children be safer?

01:21:04.560 We go to John Lott.

01:21:06.960 He has written an article.

01:21:08.480 He's also a co-author of my book, Control.

01:21:12.020 He is the president of the Crime Prevention Research Center and probably the best mind on the stats around guns and gun control.

01:21:20.900 Welcome to the program, John.

01:21:21.900 How are you?

01:21:23.240 Doing okay, Glenn.

01:21:24.600 Good to talk to you again.

01:21:25.840 So, John, let me just go through your article piece by piece because facts are important.

01:21:32.640 The new hot number from the gun control advocates is that there have been 18 school shootings so far this year.

01:21:41.460 Can you tell me about the 18 that have happened since the beginning of the year?

01:21:47.840 Right.

01:21:48.540 Well, I mean, it includes gunshots fired on campus as well as those off of campus.

01:21:54.320 It includes things like a police officer who accidentally discharged his gun and nobody was harmed.

01:22:02.200 It includes suicides that may have occurred by an adult in the car parking lot that had nothing to do with the school.

01:22:10.940 Somebody just driving by, pulling into the car parking lot and killing themselves.

01:22:16.580 It includes a case where a pellet gun broke a window in a school bus that was parked, not even on an actual school property, but in a parking lot for buses.

01:22:30.660 You know, nobody was inside the bus at the time when the pellet gun broke the window.

01:22:39.220 You know, things that range from annoying to, you know, minor cases to things that don't have anything to do with guns on campus.

01:22:51.500 And you have you have you have two of them that are kind of what would be these mass public shootings that get everybody's attention where you had people killed and multiple people harmed.

01:23:06.660 One was in Kentucky and the other one was obviously in in Florida.

01:23:12.540 So what what everybody is saying they're looking for is an end to these and they're making all kinds of proposals.

01:23:23.500 So let's take them one by one. First, more background checks.

01:23:29.300 Right. Before we get through the whole list, I just want to say something that is I'm incredibly frustrated by this debate.

01:23:38.140 I've been involved in this debate for 20 years.

01:23:41.160 I had a piece in The Wall Street Journal back in 1998, in March 98, calling for getting rid of gun free zones at schools,

01:23:51.360 pointing out that we hadn't really had any of these attacks at schools until after 1995,

01:23:57.140 when the so-called Gun Free School Zone Act was passed federally.

01:24:03.760 And, you know, I want to do something.

01:24:09.000 I want to I don't want these things to ever occur again, but I want something that actually matters.

01:24:14.740 The types of rules that you are asking me to go through right now.

01:24:18.460 The one thing that they share in common is that they wouldn't have stopped these attacks.

01:24:22.300 And yet they're the ones that people keep on pushing for even before we know what the facts were for a case.

01:24:29.980 Right. I mean, we look at what happened with the sheriff and all of the all of the things that should have been done,

01:24:37.760 could have been done, would have been done in other places.

01:24:41.680 We had multiple opportunities to stop this shooter even while he was shooting and we didn't do them.

01:24:51.180 Right. Well, I mean, it's cowardice and other things.

01:24:56.280 You can have training.

01:24:57.780 It's not clear that the sheriff's deputies had proper training in these cases.

01:25:04.420 And, you know, but even beyond that, I want to replace these signs that we have at schools that say these schools are gun free zone

01:25:15.000 with signs that you can see in places from Texas to Oklahoma to Ohio and other places that say warning selective staff or teachers at these schools

01:25:27.440 have weapons to be able to go and defend themselves and others.

01:25:32.420 You know, we have 25 states in the United States that to varying degrees now allow people to be able to carry

01:25:41.500 permit concealed handguns on the school grounds, you know, staff or teachers.

01:25:48.260 Some are much more liberal in terms of allowing it than others.

01:25:52.560 But in all those places that allow it, there's not one example of a school shooting occurring.

01:25:58.200 There's no, you know, the fears that people have.

01:26:01.120 If you listen to the discussion last week from people like Senator Rubio to the listening session that President Trump had

01:26:10.040 where people were saying, well, you know, teachers are emotional, was one of the arguments that were brought up against Trump.

01:26:16.480 Well, you know, you don't see any problems that occur.

01:26:20.780 I know of one accidental discharge that occurred outside of school hours.

01:26:27.480 And that's it, you know, and that's over years, decades.

01:26:33.360 And so, you know, the discussion is often, well, let's put a police officer in a place.

01:26:43.520 The problem is putting somebody in uniform is, it may make you feel good, but it's an impossible job.

01:26:52.480 Anybody who's read any of my books know that I think police are extremely important in stopping crime.

01:26:59.340 I think police are the single most important factor.

01:27:02.780 But if you put an officer in uniform to try to guard against these types of attacks, it's an impossible job.

01:27:11.160 Putting somebody in uniform is like putting somebody there who has a neon sign above them that says, shoot me first.

01:27:18.160 Because if he's the only person that has a weapon, these killers know that if they kill the police officer first,

01:27:24.560 then they have nothing more to worry about.

01:27:26.440 Then they're going to be free for some period of time until others are able to arrive on the scene to go and kill people.

01:27:34.100 So, John, this is this is something that we clearly know as a society.

01:27:38.880 It's why we protect the identity of air marshals.

01:27:42.740 It's why we don't put a an armed police officer in uniform on airplanes. 0.59

01:27:49.160 We let them mix in.

01:27:50.920 So the bad guy never knows who the good guy is.

01:27:53.980 We don't we don't want to shoot out.

01:27:56.320 Well, you certainly don't have a problem with a shootout in an airplane.

01:28:00.560 And by the way, pilots, are they emotional?

01:28:03.260 Because all the pilots had to be trained to use a weapon just in case the air marshal goes down.

01:28:08.760 We didn't have a problem with that either.

01:28:10.660 This is a it's a bogus debate.

01:28:12.700 Let me go through before we run out of time.

01:28:14.680 Let me go through the the things that, for instance, more background checks.

01:28:18.960 Tell me about why that won't work.

01:28:22.240 Well, the one go to law that from Obama through now and other times has been these background checks on private transfers.

01:28:30.580 The deal is there's not only wouldn't have been relevant for this attack in Florida and people were calling for this like in an hour and a half after the attack, even before they knew how the killer had gotten his gun.

01:28:42.660 Uh, there's not one mass public shooting this century or years before that would have been stopped if this law had been in effect.

01:28:52.300 There's simply no cases where people have gotten the gun in this way that would have been stopped by the background check, even if it had been effective.

01:29:00.560 Well, let me let me let me just one of these silly things that they push for.

01:29:04.320 And my own belief is the reason why they push for it is they just want to make it costly for law abiding citizens to get guns.

01:29:12.060 They they know they've been asked a couple of times by the media, you know, to identify one case where this is mattered.

01:29:20.740 And the response that you get from them as well, we still need to try to do something.

01:29:25.400 You know, maybe it might stop something in the future.

01:29:28.200 And they can't point to one case in the past where it would have helped.

01:29:31.580 How about the new assault weapon ban?

01:29:34.980 Let's just ban these assault weapons, John.

01:29:37.120 Let's just I mean, nobody needs an assault weapon.

01:29:39.820 Would this have helped?

01:29:42.380 No, it wouldn't have.

01:29:43.880 I mean, first of all, I'm not even sure.

01:29:46.920 I hope the people are just ignorant and don't know what the guns are and how they operate.

01:29:52.820 But, you know, the AR-15s are a semi-automatic rifle, small caliber, semi-automatic rifle.

01:30:00.400 They fire the same bullets with the same rapidity, doing the same damage as a small caliber hunting rifle.

01:30:07.180 If you want to go and ban all semi-automatic guns, fine, let's talk about that.

01:30:13.100 But to go and buy, I don't think it makes sense and I can talk about it, but to try to go and buy some guns based on how they look just simply doesn't make any sense.

01:30:23.540 Correct.

01:30:25.000 Well, but you wouldn't have to ban the semi-automatic handguns because a semi-automatic handgun, I learned from NBC News, it just doesn't travel as fast as a rifle.

01:30:37.640 And so a rifle will just kill the person with a handgun much quicker.

01:30:44.520 Well, if you look over the last decade, about 68% of the mass public shootings have involved solely handguns.

01:30:52.980 If you include handguns used in part of the attack, you know, handguns with rifles, handguns with shotguns, it makes up about 84% of the attacks involved handguns in some way.

01:31:06.300 And so, you know, all they're going to do is they'll ban, you know, maybe they could ban all rifles and then they'll come back and they'll say, well, we need to ban all handguns.

01:31:18.080 You know, what people need to talk about are the costs and benefits of guns.

01:31:24.960 So when they go and they say, let's ban guns for people under age 21.

01:31:28.860 Well, it's horrible that this 19-year-old killed people and we should do things to try to stop it, things that we know will work.

01:31:37.840 But the thing is, lots of law-abiding 20-year-olds use guns to protect themselves and their families.

01:31:44.760 And the problem that you ultimately face is that if you were going to say ban guns from a particular area or ban guns for particular people,

01:31:53.760 it's the law-abiding good citizens who obey those rules and not the criminals.

01:31:57.720 It's the reason why we've been having these attacks after we've created these gun-free zones.

01:32:04.140 John Lott from the Crime Prevention Research Center.

01:32:07.260 His latest book is The War on Guns, Arming Yourself Against Gun Control Lies.

01:32:13.600 He is the best on the stats.

01:32:16.420 You need to have that book in your library.

01:32:19.060 Thanks, John.

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01:33:34.320 Glenn Beck Mercury.

01:33:41.340 Glenn Beck.

01:33:45.860 Okay.

01:33:46.360 There was a story that I had a really hard time understanding, and it's probably because I'm not a sports fan.

01:33:51.600 Yeah.

01:33:52.100 Yeah.

01:33:52.500 You're not big into sports.

01:33:53.400 No.

01:33:53.640 You probably don't recognize how difficult this is.

01:33:55.560 Yeah.

01:33:55.720 But, I mean, it's a really, really big deal.

01:33:59.320 Mac Beggs won second straight.

01:34:03.820 Second straight.

01:34:04.680 Class 6A Texas championship in girls wrestling.

01:34:08.820 She went 32-0 during the season.

01:34:12.440 Wait.

01:34:13.460 Mac did?

01:34:14.620 Mac, yeah.

01:34:15.720 Mac?

01:34:16.160 Mac Beggs, yeah.

01:34:17.760 So, wait.

01:34:18.160 Mac.

01:34:18.380 Well, incredible achievement.

01:34:19.780 Now, to win one championship at this level is very difficult.

01:34:23.140 Right.

01:34:23.260 But to go undefeated 32-0 and win a second straight 6A championship in Texas.

01:34:28.000 Right.

01:34:28.380 That's incredible.

01:34:30.200 And people are not acknowledging how difficult that would be to achieve.

01:34:35.560 Well, wait.

01:34:36.640 It's just because people don't follow female wrestling. 1.00

01:34:38.900 You called him a him and you called him a her. 0.92

01:34:41.780 What was that?

01:34:42.600 Hmm?

01:34:43.460 You called him a him and a her.

01:34:45.140 Why did you?

01:34:45.500 See, this is a part that I had a hard time following is, is he wrestling girls or is she wrestling girls?

01:34:56.860 Yes.

01:35:00.620 That's your answer.

01:35:01.480 Yes.

01:35:02.620 More in a minute.

01:35:06.000 Glenn Beck.

01:35:07.940 Mercury.

01:35:15.500 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:35:18.500 Are you really not taking any responsibility for the multiple red flags that were brought to the attention of the Broward Sheriff's Office about this shooter before the incident?

01:35:28.060 Whether it was people near him, close to him, calling the police on him?

01:35:32.240 Jake, I could only take responsibility for what I knew about.

01:35:37.780 I exercise as my due diligence.

01:35:40.340 I've given amazing leadership to this agency.

01:35:42.880 Amazing leadership?

01:35:43.600 I work, yes, Jake, there's a lot of things we've done throughout this.

01:35:49.660 This is, you don't measure a person's leadership by a deputy not going into a, these deputies received the training they needed.

01:35:59.820 Maybe you measure somebody's leadership by whether or not they protect the community.

01:36:03.040 In this case, you've listed 23 incidents before the shooting involving the shooter, and still nothing was done to keep guns out of his hands, to make sure that there were, the school was protected, to make sure you were keeping an eye on him.

01:36:17.720 Your deputy at the school failed.

01:36:19.800 I don't understand how you can sit there and claim amazing leadership.

01:36:22.540 Jake Tapper, oof, Pat Gray, thoughts.

01:36:27.000 Yes.

01:36:27.840 I love Jake Tapper, and we've said it many times.

01:36:30.400 Sometimes he'll be agonizing to us, and then other times he'll be agonizing to the left.

01:36:36.780 He treats everybody, he's an actual journalist.

01:36:38.800 Yeah, I think so too.

01:36:39.680 He actually asks hard questions.

01:36:42.140 I think he could have, I think he was put in an impossible situation at the town hall.

01:36:46.740 He was.

01:36:47.340 But that's not his fault, that's CNN's fault.

01:36:49.400 And he held the sheriff's feet to the fire nonstop for about, what, 20 minutes?

01:36:56.500 Oh, I think it was more than that.

01:36:57.960 28 minutes.

01:36:58.640 Can you imagine that?

01:36:59.980 The poor sheriff, I mean, poor sheriff, I don't mean it that way.

01:37:02.680 The sheriff, his mouth was so dry, he was starting to look like Anita Dunn.

01:37:07.440 I forgot her.

01:37:08.240 With the lizard tongue.

01:37:08.920 With the lizard tongue, he was, his mouth was dry.

01:37:11.620 He knew he was in trouble.

01:37:12.940 I was surprised he didn't say, is there a commercial break you have to go to or anything?

01:37:16.680 He did shut Jake down, though, on one question.

01:37:20.720 Yeah, when he was asked, and I think we have the audio, when he was asked about whether or

01:37:25.020 not, if they would have followed up on any of this stuff, could this have been averted?

01:37:28.920 And he was pretty powerful.

01:37:30.920 Here we go, play it.

01:37:34.000 Do you think that if the Broward Sheriff's Office had done things differently, this shooting,

01:37:38.920 might not have happened?

01:37:42.340 Listen, if ifs and buts were candy and nuts, you know, OJ Simpson would still be in the

01:37:47.480 record books.

01:37:48.080 I don't know what that means.

01:37:48.860 There are 17 dead people, and there's a whole long list of things your department would have

01:37:52.720 done.

01:37:52.880 Oh my gosh, Jake, you are just so good.

01:37:56.620 Wow, that's, if if and buts were candy and nuts, OJ Simpson would, first, OJ Simpson is

01:38:03.340 still in the record books.

01:38:04.580 Yes, he is.

01:38:05.760 100%.

01:38:06.160 Now, six people have outrushed him in a season, so he's moved down.

01:38:09.800 He moved down a little bit.

01:38:10.740 Maybe that's what he means.

01:38:11.820 But that wasn't due to ifs and buts, was it?

01:38:14.100 No, it was more of the 15th and 16th game of the season, which they added on after he

01:38:19.360 had the 2,000-yard season.

01:38:21.320 Probably the specifics there.

01:38:22.980 Yeah, well, Sheriff, you asked for it.

01:38:24.800 You got it.

01:38:25.620 Toyota.

01:38:26.560 What do you think of that?

01:38:27.540 Wait.

01:38:28.760 Let me try this on you.

01:38:29.840 Don't forget.

01:38:30.800 Hire the vet.

01:38:31.880 Okay?

01:38:32.380 That's amazing.

01:38:33.080 That's all I've got to say to you.

01:38:34.300 I have to tell you, I love the slogan wars.

01:38:36.920 I like that.

01:38:37.480 Is there?

01:38:38.080 Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.

01:38:39.860 All right, Sheriff, deal with that, won't you?

01:38:44.940 Four out of five dentists recommend Crest.

01:38:47.840 Or Trident.

01:38:49.860 One of them, I don't know.

01:38:51.060 Something.

01:38:51.680 They agree.

01:38:52.380 Four out of five agree on something.

01:38:53.980 And we know that one of them wants you to eat more sugared snacks.

01:38:57.940 We know that.

01:38:59.640 Why do they?

01:39:00.620 I don't know.

01:39:01.580 What dentist is in that poll?

01:39:03.380 I don't think there was a better shutdown than that.

01:39:07.060 Because it wasn't for effect.

01:39:10.480 It was true. 0.75

01:39:11.920 It was righteous indignation.

01:39:14.340 I don't even know what that means.

01:39:16.120 And there are 18 dead people.

01:39:18.200 Right.

01:39:18.420 Oh, that was powerful.

01:39:19.200 Oh, my gosh.

01:39:19.960 That was really rough.

01:39:21.820 I mean, you know, and look, I don't think.

01:39:23.440 And justified.

01:39:24.080 I think there's very little desire.

01:39:25.860 And Jake Tapper's an exception, I think, to this.

01:39:27.380 But there's very little desire to actual real conversation on this topic.

01:39:31.160 You were on CNN this weekend, and you kind of talked about that.

01:39:33.700 You were on with Brian Stelter.

01:39:35.340 And we have a clip of it here talking about, I didn't do myself any favors.

01:39:41.800 No, I don't think CNN really liked you that much after this.

01:39:45.060 No, well, they didn't like me in the first place.

01:39:46.540 I mean, with anybody.

01:39:47.540 I don't think I made anybody happy.

01:39:49.500 That's kind of your career story, isn't it?

01:39:51.460 That is.

01:39:51.980 It is.

01:39:52.280 It's kind of your life story.

01:39:53.160 Here it is from CNN.

01:39:54.460 We can't read only the things that we agree with.

01:39:58.480 We have to have conversations, calm conversations, that make us uncomfortable.

01:40:05.660 We have to have that.

01:40:07.000 You've talked on your programs in the past about the...

01:40:10.620 Can I be honest with you on one thing, too?

01:40:14.500 And this is something that you're not going to want to hear.

01:40:17.280 CNN had a right and a responsibility to have that conversation, that town hall.

01:40:24.120 But when you added a room full, when you added, what, 2,000, 5,000 people that were grieving

01:40:32.780 and angry, you did nothing.

01:40:35.640 You made things worse.

01:40:37.820 If you wanted to have that conversation, then let's have that conversation in a calm way.

01:40:45.380 But adding it, adding the crowd, it became the Christians and the Lions. 0.94

01:40:50.840 It was despicable and grotesque.

01:40:52.080 But you would have told the students to shut up?

01:40:53.160 You would have told them to shut up?

01:40:55.160 No, I would have said, this is too raw right now to have a stadium full of people.

01:41:04.520 Let's just, you pick the people, you have the kids that want to talk, and let's have that

01:41:09.840 conversation in a small room without the cheering crowds.

01:41:13.280 It's why I won't go on Bill Maher.

01:41:15.340 Bill Maher has asked me for years to go on his program.

01:41:18.540 I won't because it is just the cheering crowd.

01:41:22.300 Somebody's trying to win.

01:41:24.520 Martin Luther King would not have done that.

01:41:28.020 Martin Luther King would have had the discussion without the cheering crowds.

01:41:33.600 Don't try to win.

01:41:35.020 Look for reconciliation.

01:41:36.840 That's great.

01:41:37.640 And you're right.

01:41:38.940 That's the only way.

01:41:40.060 People ask all the time, especially lately.

01:41:41.920 I think there's a good number of people who really want to try to come together and figure

01:41:46.960 this out, and not scream at each other.

01:41:48.880 It just feels different in a couple of ways.

01:41:53.180 And that's the answer.

01:41:55.600 But we're not going to get to it if we're continually screaming at each other.

01:41:59.420 I'd love to have this conversation with you, Pat.

01:42:01.900 But I think that we have.

01:42:05.380 I think we've come to the end of the period of enlightenment.

01:42:09.160 Everything that this country was based on was the honest search for truth, empirical truth.

01:42:17.160 You know what I mean?

01:42:17.680 I'm not going to listen to a church tell me that they have all this power, that they can do these things because God gives them the power.

01:42:27.420 And so I must fall in line.

01:42:29.380 I'm not going to listen to a king tell me he's got all this power because of God.

01:42:34.380 I'm not going to listen to magicians.

01:42:37.040 I want empirical fact.

01:42:40.620 Now, if you want to go on faith, that's fine.

01:42:42.580 But keep your faith out of the control of the government.

01:42:46.460 The government and faith should not mix when it comes down to control of people's lives.

01:42:56.120 And we looked for the truth and let the chips fall where they may.

01:43:01.080 We don't look for that anymore.

01:43:02.440 We're not looking.

01:43:03.260 We're not interested.

01:43:04.500 No, we're looking for the win.

01:43:06.040 It's exactly right.

01:43:07.100 I am sick of winning.

01:43:10.040 If this is what winning feels like, I am sick of winning.

01:43:13.940 And we've been playing it now for over 20 years.

01:43:16.980 And I'm sick of it.

01:43:18.360 Yeah.

01:43:18.940 And no one wants to have honest conversations.

01:43:20.720 I mean, you know, this is a problem.

01:43:22.760 I bring the let me give you these two audio clips.

01:43:25.600 These are specifically selected for Pat Gray's enjoyment because these two moments back to back in the same interview tells a heck of a story of where we've been over the last week.

01:43:36.560 Here's David Hogg, one of the students who's been on every show imaginable, also was on the same show as you were on.

01:43:43.620 This week on CNN with Brian Stelter talking about Dana Lash and the NRA.

01:43:49.960 What Dana is trying to do, I believe she's the CEO of the NRA. 0.90

01:43:53.120 She's trying to distract people. 0.99

01:43:54.280 If you listen to her talk.

01:43:54.980 She's a national spokeswoman for the NRA.

01:43:56.720 Exactly.

01:43:57.240 She's national spokeswoman.

01:43:58.500 And as such, she's a national propagandist for the NRA.

01:44:01.120 If you listen to her speak, she's not really saying anything.

01:44:04.680 She's sounding positive and confident.

01:44:06.520 And that's what she wants the people in the NRA to believe.

01:44:08.420 She wants people in Congress to pass laws that help out with mental health and things like that. 0.99

01:44:12.040 And she says that she can't do that.

01:44:14.080 Are you kidding me?

01:44:15.140 You own these politicians.

01:44:16.600 You've passed legislation that enables these bump stocks, which, by the way, aren't allowed at NRA shooting ranges because they're too dangerous.

01:44:22.580 That's how bad they are.

01:44:23.420 But continuing on with my point, she wants Congress to take action and says that they won't.

01:44:29.420 Are you kidding me?

01:44:30.540 She owns these congressmen. 1.00

01:44:32.620 She can get them to do things. 0.58

01:44:33.920 She doesn't care about these children's lives. 1.00

01:44:35.920 So he didn't even know who she was.

01:44:38.440 But he does know that she owns Congress. 0.98

01:44:41.660 And she doesn't care about children's lives, which is odd because she has children. 0.98

01:44:44.660 But she doesn't care about children's lives. 0.99

01:44:46.420 And she owns people, even though she just started with the NRA.

01:44:51.760 She was working with us.

01:44:53.300 I didn't know she had all of those politicians in the pocket. 0.99

01:44:56.000 She should have passed stuff for us.

01:44:57.860 What the hell is happening?

01:44:59.400 Wouldn't that have been nice?

01:45:00.480 It would have been really great.

01:45:01.260 We could be on more cable channels, probably.

01:45:03.040 Right?

01:45:03.420 Damn it.

01:45:03.880 But again, here's a kid who's put out there as an expert by every media source.

01:45:10.420 Here's the guy.

01:45:11.200 He's got all the passion.

01:45:12.200 He's the guy.

01:45:12.660 We have to take him seriously.

01:45:13.660 We have to respect all of his views.

01:45:14.840 We can't say one word of criticism of what he says because that means you just don't care

01:45:18.540 about children.

01:45:19.080 You don't care about the victims of this.

01:45:20.580 Later on, he's asked not about the NRA, but about the mass disaster that has been Broward

01:45:26.560 County Sheriff Scott.

01:45:29.840 What's his name?

01:45:30.460 Israel.

01:45:31.100 I can only think of Sheriff Israel.

01:45:32.380 And so he's asked about that.

01:45:35.640 Here's what he says.

01:45:36.740 Are you concerned that you might actually lose support if you get too personal, too

01:45:41.120 incendiary?

01:45:41.940 Well, she's already done that by attacking Sheriff Scott Israel, who obviously there were

01:45:46.960 some major mistakes made here and ones that we have to look into.

01:45:50.600 And I don't want to say anything until after the investigation is done because I don't know

01:45:54.180 what happened.

01:45:54.940 I'm just a student.

01:45:55.780 I had to witness this horrifying incident.

01:45:57.860 But honestly, how can you say that you support law enforcement?

01:46:02.360 If you're just constantly attacking them over this?

01:46:04.840 How hypocritical and disgusting are you?

01:46:06.440 These are the people that are trying to protect our lives.

01:46:08.420 Do they make a mistake?

01:46:10.000 Absolutely.

01:46:10.900 Is that something that we have to fix?

01:46:12.420 Absolutely.

01:46:13.040 But there's a much bigger problem in Washington.

01:46:15.380 So he's so when it's about the NRA, he knows everything about them.

01:46:18.660 He knows that Dana's the CEO and owns all of these politicians, despite her just starting 0.99

01:46:22.820 this position pretty recently.

01:46:24.720 But when it comes to the police, wait for the investigation.

01:46:28.360 He's just a student.

01:46:28.380 He's just a student.

01:46:29.440 I don't know.

01:46:29.920 What do I know?

01:46:30.680 What is he?

01:46:30.980 He's just a student.

01:46:31.560 You can't ask him those questions.

01:46:32.960 He's just a kid.

01:46:34.020 That was kind of my point from the beginning.

01:46:36.200 That's why I specifically said, here's what I can't get my arms around.

01:46:43.100 So what did I say to Brian?

01:46:45.060 I said to Brian, you know, to have these emotional crowds was not a good thing.

01:46:50.280 You want to have them on?

01:46:51.420 Great.

01:46:51.780 Let them talk.

01:46:52.800 And his response was, so you think we should have, you think Jake should have just said

01:46:57.300 shut up? 0.96

01:46:58.880 No, that's not what I said.

01:47:00.000 No, it's not what you said at all.

01:47:01.440 I didn't say that.

01:47:02.040 And that's really disrespectful.

01:47:03.540 You were talking about the kids, in fact.

01:47:05.040 You were talking about the audience.

01:47:06.340 Yeah, the crowd.

01:47:07.160 Yeah, the crowd.

01:47:07.880 I don't know what Jake is supposed to do once the crowd's in the room.

01:47:12.440 It's too late.

01:47:13.560 The problematic decision is the crowd being there.

01:47:16.100 And not CNN's decision up front.

01:47:18.660 Not the representation of these families.

01:47:20.740 You could have been in there, in a room like Trump did.

01:47:24.060 He did a listening session with people who were victims of the shooting.

01:47:27.780 And there wasn't screaming over the top of each other either.

01:47:29.940 Because it was calm.

01:47:30.940 It was calm discourse.

01:47:32.160 You put in 5,000 people, all of which are there to just yell at Dana in a position at

01:47:38.020 the NRA.

01:47:38.620 It's a recipe for disaster.

01:47:40.000 And they should have recognized that.

01:47:41.060 Okay.

01:47:41.380 So, he won't listen to that.

01:47:47.420 And if you say we shouldn't have had the arena, then that's akin to saying we have to tell

01:47:54.420 these kids to shut up. 1.00

01:47:55.660 We have to take these kids.

01:47:59.260 They have a right to be listened to.

01:48:03.380 They don't have a right to be listened to unchecked.

01:48:09.040 You had Brian Seltzer.

01:48:12.020 Stelter.

01:48:12.600 Stelter.

01:48:13.120 I can never say his name.

01:48:14.300 Because I always think of Brian Setzer.

01:48:16.140 Oh, the orchestra.

01:48:16.880 Yeah.

01:48:17.840 So, you have Brian sitting there.

01:48:19.500 And who's sitting next to the other, on the other side of this kid?

01:48:23.220 Dan freaking Rather.

01:48:24.320 And you hear this kid make this argument that Dana is, you know, the NRA, which is a little

01:48:35.320 ridiculous, more than a little ridiculous.

01:48:38.720 And then you have him stick up for this sheriff, who nobody in their right mind is sticking up

01:48:44.800 for the sheriff.

01:48:45.440 No one in their right mind is sticking up for the sheriff.

01:48:47.780 And there's no discussion at all on, there's no pushback on him, on saying, how does this

01:48:57.400 make sense?

01:48:58.000 I thought you wanted this to stop.

01:49:01.500 And what makes you think that passing a ban on some guns is going to make any of this stop?

01:49:09.860 There's no evidence of that.

01:49:11.840 And here's some things that we could take care of right now.

01:49:15.660 Because there could be another shooting in your county, if this is happening with the

01:49:20.620 sheriff's department.

01:49:22.400 There's no pushback at all.

01:49:24.320 No.

01:49:24.480 Yeah.

01:49:24.700 Well, and I think the reason why the advocacy groups and a lot of the media really like

01:49:30.280 these kids that are, you know, were victims of this, or at least at the school when this

01:49:35.680 occurred, is because of that.

01:49:37.160 You can't push back.

01:49:38.440 You can't push back on the argument.

01:49:39.960 So, the arguments get smooth sailing.

01:49:41.540 They get this nice, clear, empty highway to just drive down and say every liberal blog

01:49:45.960 statement that's ever been put out there without anybody saying anything.

01:49:48.740 Because obviously, you can't push back.

01:49:50.060 The kid obviously doesn't know these points.

01:49:52.460 Right.

01:49:52.600 He's just, he's obviously reading blogs and just spouting out.

01:49:56.280 He's being exploited.

01:49:56.740 He's being exploited by the left.

01:49:58.200 He's being a 16-year-old that is being given a national platform.

01:50:04.720 That's what's happening.

01:50:05.440 And it's definitely not a word of criticism to him personally, but you have to be able

01:50:09.440 to push back on the points, or there's no point in having them on.

01:50:12.700 May I remind you, though, only you can prevent forest fires.

01:50:16.720 Wow.

01:50:17.540 Thank you, Pat.

01:50:17.940 You're welcome.

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01:51:36.640 Glenn Beck.

01:51:38.740 We're going to do the media's job for him tonight at 5 o'clock.

01:51:43.300 We are going to be looking at the questions that really need answering on this Florida

01:51:49.140 shooting, and in particular, this sheriff.

01:51:52.840 There's something really wrong there.

01:51:54.580 Yeah, taking it from the big picture and the small picture today.

01:51:56.920 What are some of these weird inconsistencies in the stories around the shooting?

01:52:00.760 We'll get into those tonight at 5 at the Blaze TV, and then 5.30, the news and why it matters.

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The Glenn Beck Program - February 26, 2018

'There Are Two Americas' - 2⧸26⧸18

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