Trump Stops WAR Between Nuclear India & Pakistan ｜ Guest： Dr. Jay Bhattacharya ｜ 5⧸12⧸25
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On this episode of The Glenn Beck Program, host Glenn Beck is joined by his good friend and former radio host, Alex Blumberg. The two discuss the Pope's recent comments about artificial intelligence (A.I.) and what it means for the future of the world's economy. They also discuss the latest on the latest in the latest trade deal between China and the U.S. and the Qatar Airways.
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We have a trade deal from China, apparently, and a really good one.
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We're going to, I guess, do price controls on drugs.
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Oh, also, the Pope may not be as bad as everybody thought he might be, apparently.
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But he did come out and have a few words to say about AI that I think maybe the world should hear.
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I don't know if anybody in Washington slept this weekend.
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On Saturday, we saw two massive events that could reshape the globe as we know it.
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Let's start with what President Trump announced when he announced the ceasefire between India and Pakistan.
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Now, these are two nuclear-armed nations that were teetering on the edge of nuclear war.
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At some time, the United States and China, our biggest economic rival, struck a trade deal to slash tariffs and cool the economic tensions because we were about to go full nuclear economically with that country.
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Situation in Kashmir has been a powder keg for decades.
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These two countries have been at each other's throat for forever.
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And it started in, like, I don't know, the 1940s when the British were like, we're not going to be calling anymore.
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And they leave and then everybody starts to go to hell.
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So, they have been fighting over this disputed region ever since.
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Now, fast forward to April 22nd of this year, and there was this horrible terrorist attack in Kashmir, in this province that is now administered to by the Indians.
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And India points the finger at Pakistan, saying, you back the attackers.
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Pakistan denied it, but India is not buying it, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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They hit what they called a terrorist infrastructure inside of Pakistan.
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And they retaliate with a drone and missile strike.
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And by last week, we were talking about air bases getting hit, civilian casualties piling up.
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Both sides of the issue were accusing each other of, you know, you're violating the 1960 Treaty of, you know, whatever.
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This was a serious escalation and the most serious escalation of anything in the region since 1971.
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Then, out of nowhere, because last week, Donald Trump said, I'm not going to get involved.
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I like the fact that we're not getting involved, but they have nuclear weapons.
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Saturday, Donald Trump comes out and he posts on True Social.
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After a long night of talks mediated by the United States, I'm pleased to announce that India and Pakistan have agreed to a full and immediate ceasefire.
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Congratulations to both countries on using common sense and great intelligence.
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Secretary of State Marco Rubio and J.D. Vance had been working the phones for 48 hours talking to the prime minister in both Pakistan and in India and even Pakistan's army chief.
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Pakistan's prime minister then publicly thanked Donald Trump for his pivotal role.
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But then India starts to get a little cagey and the prime minister is like, Donald Trump, what?
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I don't know what happened, but here's where it gets even more messy.
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Hours after the ceasefire is announced, explosions start to rock in Kashmir again.
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So Pakistan, I don't remember which one started.
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Now they're both blaming each other for starting it and everything.
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By Sunday morning, everything, you know, started to look like it was spiraling out of control and everybody was pointing fingers.
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Trump doubles down and he says, you know, you stop all this and I'll substantially increase trade with both of you guys and we'll mediate a long term solution for Kashmir.
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So while he's doing that, he also hammered out a 90 day trade truce with Beijing.
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cutting tariffs on Chinese goods from 145 percent to 30 percent.
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China, in return, drops their trade from 125 percent to 10 percent.
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So the trade war has been strangling both of us, been hurting them much more than has been hurting us.
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But it's it's not going to be pretty if we don't stop all of this.
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And it looks like the president was right about all of all of this so far.
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White House calls it substantial progress toward tackling our one point two trillion dollar trade deficit with China.
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The global markets are breathing a sigh of relief.
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Now, could I put my tinfoil hat on here for just a second?
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Something I talked to you about last week, I asked you, is China, were they were they doing a proxy war on us?
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You know, were they using Pakistan to stir things up with India?
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Because India was starting to side with the United States.
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And we were talking about doing more business with India and more manufacturing.
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You know, we've been talking to India, Pakistan.
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I don't know what was going on, but it coincided with all of the tariff stuff.
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And then the weekend that we have all the tariff stuff resolved is the same time that Pakistan and India get back together.
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It's just, you know, I just don't believe in coincidence when it comes to global economics.
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And every I mean, Donald Trump is playing 15 D chess.
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I don't know if that happened, if China was involved.
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But I'm just like, today, can we just go, OK, all right, that's pretty good.
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Because now, I guess, we can all get back to business without fear of nuclear war, at least from those two countries.
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Can we all just, like, relax for a minute, please?
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Do I start with the airplane or do I start with the with the drug companies?
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OK, so Donald Trump is going to sign an executive order on drug companies.
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When you realize the ideas that made you who you are are now in conflict inside of yourself.
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And you're like, oh, wait, hold on just a second.
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I found myself in one of those moments yesterday when I heard about the latest.
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President Trump has just announced he's signing an executive order to slash prescription drugs by up to 80 percent by trying what Americans, you know, pay for.
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And trying to get the drug companies to charge us the same that they charge all the other countries.
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OK, he's calling it the most favored nations pricing policy.
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And I don't like things that usually sound have nice, snappy little names because it's like the Patriot Act.
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We've been ripped off over and over and over again.
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You know that we play double, triple and even sometimes four times as much as what other nations pay for for the exact same drugs for the same companies.
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Now, I have made this observation for years saying, oh, wait a minute.
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We're just paying our fair share to help the rest of the world that is so very poor.
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Oh, well, then maybe you're not for progressive income tax because that's what this is.
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We are paying for all of the research so the rest of the world can have cheap drugs.
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How come you like the same system when it comes to income tax?
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If it's wrong one place, it's wrong every place.
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No, no, but I'm not the richest person in the pile.
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Oh, so it has everything to do not with principles, but your situation.
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Now, with that being said, I really don't like socialism.
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Socialism is taking money from other people and having the government decide who to give it to.
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And in this case, socialized medicine would be the government getting involved and saying,
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However, I would like to present the other side.
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But I would like to present the other side because I've always been on the side of absolutely not.
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So, we pay double, triple, even quadruple the price that the rest of the world pays for the same exact drugs from the same exact companies.
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The global pharmaceutical industry makes profit, not in Paris or Toronto or Berlin or any place else, but in Des Moines and Cleveland and Phoenix.
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And today, he's signing an executive order, which I'm really, could we start to codify anything?
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So, what he wants is we'll be the lowest-paying nation, or we at least will pay what the lowest-paying nation pays.
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Whatever you're charging them, it's reciprocal.
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Whatever you're charging them, you're going to charge us.
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This is everyone who is vying for a house, okay, is negotiating for their house, except for you.
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You're the only one that is like, no, I'm going to pay full price.
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And the seller of the house is like, wait a minute, I got this chump coming in, and he always wants to, he insists on paying full price.
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I'm going to pay it because I can afford to pay it, and I'm going to help all the other people on the block.
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The system has been broken for a long time because lobbyists have protected it with pharmaceutical companies.
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And, wouldn't you know, we have an all-encompassing broken health care system.
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Nobody cares what their drugs cost unless you pay for them.
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I don't care if the, oh, this, this, this is a very expensive medication.
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I don't know, is the insurance company paying for it?
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Now, you know, when you're rationing insulin or splitting pills or just flat-out dying because you can't afford the medicine, that's a problem if you're paying much, much, much, much, much, much more.
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Now, for instance, there are medicines that we're paying $2,000 for that the Japanese pay $20 for.
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I believe, you know, governments shouldn't price that.
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I don't think government price control is really good.
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And I think every time the government does something like this, it's like the guy who's sitting next to you as you're driving on a windy road and they're like, I don't know, I don't know, you're going so fast and you're going to miss this turn.
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That's usually what happens when the government starts to backseat drive or drive in the passenger seat, you know, as you're driving the car.
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Top-down, centralized, you know, it's not arrogant.
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And one of her smaller programs that she pushed for was a federal mandate forcing vaccine makers to make childhood immunizations to the U.S. government
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at deeply discounted prices so every child could get vaccinated.
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Well, the people who made the vaccines went, you know what, I'm just going to get out of the market.
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So the government stepped in to fix the problem.
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So the government had to step in and get, give me the wheel!
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Is it a betrayal of the free market principles?
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Because he's like, I'm going to show up and negotiate.
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So the biggest buyer of pharmaceuticals, why do we just go, yeah, whatever.
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Why would we do that as the biggest buyer of drugs?
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So I find myself in this situation today, agreeing in theory and yet disagreeing in theory.
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When we're talking about the president coming in and saying, hey, I'm negotiating for drug
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I don't like this because I don't want the government involved in any of this.
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However, hmm, if I don't like the government involved in any of this, then we shouldn't
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have Medicare, Medicaid, and socialized anything.
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But that requires us to debate and win the debate on the bigger issue.
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Nowhere in the Constitution is this allowed for the government not to negotiate for drug
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Nowhere in the Constitution is the government allowed to do socialized medicine.
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So if you want to have that argument, I am so with you on that.
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Now, if you want to just have the argument that, well, the president shouldn't negotiate
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As a taxpayer, if you're going to, can we just not keep getting hit in the face by everybody
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We're paying $2,000, you know, for a drug that the rest of the world is paying $20 for
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However, let's remember, the rest of the world is on socialized medicine.
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They may pay $20 for a drug, but you still can't get that drug over there because it's
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And of course, this is a big part of the, one of the reasons, you know, why we pay a
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premium is we generally get access to these drugs first.
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The GLP ones are a great recent example of this, all the weight loss injection drugs.
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These are, you know, corporations made them, in fact, not even just American corporations.
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Novo Nordisk is a, is not an American corporation.
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And when they went into shortage, which they did when they came out because everybody wanted
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them, we were like the only country getting them, right?
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We got them before everybody else in the globe.
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Now, whether you like them or not is not the point here.
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The point is that these new drugs tend to come to markets, just like, by the way, every
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When you come up with a new product, where do they go?
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To where people will spend more for them, right?
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So they came here and they didn't go anywhere else, you know, again, do you, do you want
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As long as you, as long as the government doesn't get into negotiating drugs for everyone,
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you know, personally, oh, you mean the socialized medicine thing that the government is doing,
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Over here in the free market, you get off of Obamacare, you can have that drug.
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You know, if you make all of the system actually do what it will do eventually, which is destroy
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people's lives and become the VA for everybody, where everybody is like, I think I'd rather
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Then maybe you have a chance of ending it, because as long as they're not negotiating for
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the part of the market that is semi-free, so it's not free because of all the government
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restrictions on, you know, healthcare and insurance.
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But if insurance, you know, maybe we could get that free and then that system would work
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But right now, I don't know why we have to have this broken system and not negotiate and
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look at the front, not with, you know, supervision, not with 2010 vision, but with a 2020 vision
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All of the bridges are out right in front of the car because we're collapsing because we
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And so nobody's willing to argue that we shouldn't have all of these socialized programs.
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So if, if this move actually saves a lot of money and saves us from the abyss, even for
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Especially if it makes things worse for those who are for socialized medicine and makes the
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Well, I mean, you know, there's a very long litany of reasons as to why, you know, as
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you mentioned, it's not really something the government in the United States is supposed
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I think we, I think we have to just agree that the simple answer is no, you shouldn't
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And I guess like it's part of it is just like going back to tracing why we opposed it when,
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you know, Bernie Sanders, you know, would propose something like this, right?
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Why did we oppose it when they tried to do it with Medicaid initially?
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One of the reasons why is when you have a big, you know, giant 5,000 pound gorilla like
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the U.S. government and all the money that they spend on this, you wind up with major
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Of course, one of the reasons why our medical system is good, if you believe it's good,
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by the way, we should also note that like, it's an interesting kind of confluence of
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I know you've talked about it a lot with RFK Jr., for example, that one of the reason why
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we have so much sickness is because of pharmaceuticals.
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Now, that's not my belief, but that is a belief of a lot of people in the movement currently.
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And if that is true, why would we want to lower prices on these pharmaceuticals that
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we all say are causing all of our, you know, long-term disease?
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That's something that I think if you're in that wing of the movement.
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I think this is why so many people who have had really strong values for so long are waking
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up every day and going, I don't know how to feel about this.
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I mean, you go to, okay, well, I mean, that argument, that's the next level.
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I mean, we're so deep down the road of there are no good options because we haven't made
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I was thinking about this a little bit because one of the way we've talked about these policies,
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Now, it is new through an executive order, which is another layer on top of this, because
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obviously, if these policies could be done legally through an executive order, my belief
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is both Barack Obama and Joe Biden would have done them.
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They didn't even have, they didn't seem to even care whether they were legal and they still
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We will see what the courts say, of course, about that.
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I don't think you can pout your way out of this, Glenn.
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Like, I stopped just violating the Constitution.
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And that means we have to go back a hundred years.
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Which, by the way, you know who started Mother's Day?
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We didn't even get the Mother's Day Woodrow Wilson rant this year yet.
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Hopefully, that's coming later on in the program.
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But like, when you go back and you say, okay, let's trace this back in conservative thought.
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Conservatives have opposed this policy forever.
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I mean, look, conservatives are wrong on stuff, right?
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Maybe the movement has been wrong on this the entire time.
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When, you know, other left-wing people have been proposing it.
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One of the reasons, though, one of the real arguments from conservatives on this was to say, hey, we're going to lose medical innovation.
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When you distort a market like this, you wind up giving all sorts of incentives that you're not going to see coming on day one.
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That wind up destroying innovation in the medical field.
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I will say, the movement doesn't seem all that interested in innovation in the medical field these days.
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Because I played this out of my head driving in today.
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We're going to have AI and AGI and ASI so soon it's going to solve all those problems.
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You know, the RFK people are as interested in that.
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In five years from now, you're going to have, not even that, you're going to have AI or AGI or ASI that will say, oh, you want to fix that?
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And you don't even have to go to trials for it.
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There will be no, there are not going to be teams of people working on stuff.
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I still think, though, as an old-timey capitalist that, like.
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Let me give you some lemonade there in your locker.
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That profit, like the profit, the pursuit of profit is an incentive for innovation.
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And for innovation generally, and these things, look, you can even, even if you don't like
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medication, you probably acknowledge that some of these have been very positive.
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So, you probably still want at least what you would consider the good innovations.
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It's not a, I understand why a lot of people are torn on this.
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And I think I can see where you're coming from.
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I don't think you should be in the middle of this.
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Well, you're being a little bit more open to it, which I understand.
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Because I, the one thing I'm sure of, I'm not sure of anything anymore.
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Look, if the goal is to centralize power and control the pharmaceutical industry from
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Now, I'm not against slamming on the brakes here for the other goal.
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But if the goal is for the power of the president to break up a corrupt pricing monopoly, to give
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Americans leverage again, because we've already violated the free market so horribly, because
00:36:57.880
the government has no place at the table, then is, is that pragmatic?
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But if the players inside, inside, I mean, it has, competition has to be protected.
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You, you, you have to have competition, accountability, and consequences.
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That's a casino where the house always win and you and I always lose.
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What if it forces companies to negotiate again, to compete again, to innovate again?
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But we're, we're looking at a time where the whole country is just being sucked into a giant
00:38:01.920
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00:38:20.860
I just, here's what I, and I think you should use this as a model.
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The only thing I'm certain of is that I'm not certain of anything anymore.
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Because the, everything, you cannot just blanket say, I'm a free market capitalist.
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Now let's take that apart and see what that means.
00:38:44.700
And until you're willing to say, I'm for that and only that, which will dig us into a deeper
00:38:51.420
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the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment this is the glenn beck program
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hello america right now the white house the president's getting ready to go to saudi arabia
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where i guess they have some big announcements in saudi arabia that they're going to make but today
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uh he just is right now signing the executive order on prescription drugs he says this will
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uh reduce the amount that we pay for drugs by 30 to 80 percent uh we've already talked about that
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because that's a complex thing uh we talked about that if you missed it in our number one of today's
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podcast go back and get it wherever you get your podcasts um the other things that he's working on
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uh is uh the china trade deal which we talked about as well that that seems to be a pretty good deal
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looks like that may be in the rearview mirror also on saturday i guess we have a pakistani and
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uh indian peace treaty what i don't know when this guy sleeps there's also the plane thing that we
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but when i think of leo the lion i immediately think of the wizard of oz and that lion and i think of the pope
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then saying what do i have that the last pope didn't have courage uh so excuse me but um he came out there
00:49:58.360
saying now that he may not be as bad as francis well that would be nice that would be nice um but he
00:50:04.800
came out and he talked about ai and said ah we should be a little concerned about this because
00:50:13.040
it could eat individualism it could eat you know humanity and what it means to be human uh and i think
00:50:21.780
he's i think he's right on that one uh and you know there's two kinds of people the people that think
00:50:26.540
that i know this is gonna happen everybody said bad things you know about about the internet and
00:50:33.020
social media and how it yeah look what it's done in 10 sweet sweet 10 years to our children look what
00:50:38.620
it's done and this is far more powerful so don't dismiss it and the other is well you're just afraid
00:50:44.060
of progress no i'm really not i'm i'm i'm more afraid of surrendering the very thing that makes us
00:50:49.220
human you know and here's the here's the the truth the real hard truth on ai it's real ai is real
00:50:57.340
its gifts are real um and its dangers are just as real it it is going to offer us blessings
00:51:05.000
that we've never seen will change the world it will it'll personalize education for every single
00:51:12.340
child it will have medical breakthroughs you know we were just talking about the prescription drug thing
00:51:16.540
uh that trump just is signing in now and you know part of that is well it's going to hurt innovation
00:51:23.860
well is it i mean it could but we are looking about three years from now uh ai and agi and asi being able
00:51:32.000
to go oh you want to solve that i can solve it here's how you make this drug i mean it's we're not
00:51:36.240
going to have these labs doing all kinds of experiments should ai actually solve and do what
00:51:43.940
everybody thinks it's going to do in a very short period of time creativity is going to be enhanced
00:51:49.160
productivity time is going to be redeemed it's really good now there is a red line here kind of
00:51:55.140
really you know when ai stops being a tool and starts becoming the substitute for any kind of human
00:52:01.680
thought you know or relationships ai like government just like fire it can light your way it can warm
00:52:11.600
your home or it will burn everything in your life down to the ground so when i saw the pope's message
00:52:18.960
this weekend i of course went on to ai and i said what do you think of this okay here's what ai said to
00:52:25.880
me look out because there is there are going to be a few things that are going to happen that you can
00:52:34.480
watch for to see how close you are to having humans being eaten one dependence over discernment
00:52:42.200
listen to this dependence over discernment if you're asking what do you think i should do
00:52:49.300
okay instead of this is what i believe can you challenge this or support this
00:52:57.540
you've already started to slip if you've if you're like what what is it i believe
00:53:03.520
problem delegating moral reasoning number two when we allow ai to define harm truth or justice we're
00:53:11.940
handing our civilization's soul to a machine that doesn't have one that's a machine telling you this
00:53:17.900
okay that's that's that's a machine you know what that is remember when i've ever said i don't know
00:53:23.500
people say they're going to kill you i take them at face value you're foolish not to when you have
00:53:30.220
ai saying by the way i'm going to destroy humanity i don't know i think i listen to it i think i listen to
00:53:37.340
it so it says these are the things to stay away from chat bots for friends remember we just talked about
00:53:45.680
that with mark zuckerberg last week avatars for pastors algorithms for god
00:53:52.160
quote that's the fracture point number four censorship disguised as safety when ai starts
00:54:01.000
pushing or erasing certain thoughts in the name of alignment you're already living in an invisible
00:54:07.280
dictatorship five the illusion of control if you can't shut it off opt out or walk away you are no
00:54:15.700
longer the master of the machine so then i asked well what will it look like when it starts to break
00:54:22.140
answer it'll be quiet subtle you'll start to see the sameness everywhere no dissent no original
00:54:31.660
thought just sanitized optimized group think your kids won't be able listen to this your kids won't
00:54:38.860
be able to explain why america matters i don't think our kids can do that now they won't understand what
00:54:47.700
a right is where it came from or why it's not up for a vote instead of discussion you'll hear nothing but slogans
00:54:56.420
instead of conviction you'll see compliance and when it collapses it won't take decades it may take hours or days
00:55:08.540
can you unplug if the lines are crossed that's my question answer only if you're practiced before the
00:55:21.140
moment comes unplugging is not about flipping a switch it's about building a new muscle now so what is that
00:55:29.460
muscle think critically knowing who you are without a screen standing on something deeper than a prompt
00:55:39.060
wow when did those become something we have to remind ourselves to do when did that become something like
00:55:49.240
i don't know i think critically know who i am without the screen that's a crazy thought standing on
00:55:58.560
something deeper than a prompt or a feed how many people do that now how many people actually know what
00:56:05.620
they're for what they're for what they're against a lot of people will say i i'm against this but will
00:56:10.640
they even know why will they even do they even know why they're for something most people are educated
00:56:18.480
through social media and anyone the the man who reads nothing at all is better educated today than
00:56:30.580
someone who only reads social media let that sink in because that's true
00:56:36.720
right now you should use ai as a teacher not a replacement but as a teacher right now you can use ai to
00:56:48.040
educate yourself to learn economics to go on and say this is what i believe make the case make the strongest
00:56:54.780
in this case for and against and then debate debate western thought learn about western thought debate
00:57:02.400
morality and philosophy learn the constitution learn how to grow food learn how to fix a generator speak
00:57:11.700
clearly think clearly reclaim your foundations learn the bible for moral law for human dignity divine order
00:57:22.820
those things are really important learn the declaration and the constitution know your rights and
00:57:28.200
responsibilities know adam smith de toqueville c.s lewis
00:57:34.060
see the patterns and predict the collapse before it happens and know where you should be standing
00:57:42.740
if that collapse happens because if you know what's true you will see what's false before anyone
00:57:51.060
before anyone else and then that allows you to teach others and lead quietly because when confusion
00:57:58.280
is the word of the day when everything and everybody is confused clarity is going to look an awful lot like
00:58:06.780
i saw this warning um i've been we're i've been
00:58:13.340
you know 15 years ago i launched something i launched the blaze 15 years ago
00:58:19.560
and my goal was to disrupt the media and i gotta say if you look you're like i think that worked
00:58:28.140
i think that worked you know when we first started netflix was still sending movies in the mail
00:58:34.780
and look at now the media if you weren't on fox news cnn abc nbc cbs you had no voice you had
00:58:44.880
no voice but honestly because of you and this audience you gave power to the voices that would
00:58:50.940
have been crushed in the system through the blaze and we made truth competitive again
00:58:57.660
some of the people that that we helped elevate now sit in the white house press room that's
00:59:05.720
incredible incredible now here's what needs to be disrupted education and ai can be a part of it
00:59:17.740
can be but it is we have to be so incredibly careful i don't trust ai coming from silicon valley
00:59:26.100
i don't trust ai coming from chat gpt i don't i don't trust it i don't trust any of it i don't trust
00:59:33.040
because i know how it works well nobody actually knows how it works but i know what a lot of its
00:59:38.240
faults are right now and i also know it depends on who's programming it i want to tell you that i
00:59:45.120
have i have two teams of people that are working on something uh that i hopefully will be announcing
00:59:51.500
soon one in each hemisphere so one team is working while the other team is asleep and then they switch
00:59:58.300
in the middle of the night and been working around the clock for over six months on something
01:00:02.380
and we're building something i'm building something that wasn't even possible 24 months ago not even
01:00:12.360
possible but i believe in the end this is going to be the one thing this is going to be the thing that
01:00:19.280
is most the most important thing i've ever done and the time is short and i'll talk to you about it
01:00:26.420
later this uh summer and hopefully if you feel the urgency that i feel you'll be able to support this but
01:00:32.140
we have to corral ai and dedicate ourselves to education today i'm i'm with prager u all day i'm filming a
01:00:46.460
whole bunch of stuff for prager u that uh ap classes are going to have access to uh all over the country
01:00:55.080
and i'll tell you more about that when when it's out but the opportunities that are happening right
01:01:01.980
now on education are endless and we're going to lead that so you need to start educating yourself
01:01:11.400
right now but here's the one thing when you when i read this thing from you know pope leo courage i i
01:01:19.800
thought to myself immediately okay well that's not good i want you to i want you here's your mission
01:01:26.840
today here's the one thing you should be working on today starting today constantly say these two
01:01:35.400
words but god i had been saying well it's going to be interesting to see how that all works out
01:01:43.500
and that's kind of defeatist in a way i mean it's a funny way for me just to dismiss all the things
01:01:48.440
and like well that's not going to go well that's going to be interesting to see how everybody works
01:01:52.040
that one out change it but god but god understand the phrase learn it and live it so in six months
01:02:02.600
from now it's such a part of you that it shapes how you walk how you think how you lead and let me
01:02:08.640
explain all much of the stuff that we're talking about and and then some things that i talked to you
01:02:16.140
about 20 years ago are still on the horizon and it's it's it's going to be a tough ride it's going
01:02:21.000
to be a very it's going to get much worse before it gets much better but here's the thing that all
01:02:27.780
of the models and everything else and ai cannot account for and that is but god because nothing
01:02:36.040
factors him in except you they never do the models never do but god's already working right now in small
01:02:42.780
ways in hearts that i don't see you don't see stories you don't hear movements that are just
01:02:49.280
beginning and like candidates who get shot in the middle of a field and should be dead
01:02:54.500
they're not i mean the president they tried to kill him but god because that's where hope lives
01:03:03.780
not in machines not in governments not even in our plans hope lives in truth in light
01:03:11.320
in god and while things might look really really bad but god he's still on the move
01:03:21.520
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01:03:28.500
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01:04:46.080
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01:04:53.940
screen it says you know prescription drug uh bill uh cuts out the middleman and and i'm like no no
01:05:02.240
donald trump's little meetings every day with the press that's what cuts out the middleman yeah you
01:05:08.500
just go right directly to the source he'll spend 25 30 45 minutes just talking to the press answering
01:05:14.320
any question and you get it directly from him it's brilliant i think it's a good innovation in the
01:05:19.140
presidency largely too i mean certainly much better than what we had last president we're a guy who
01:05:24.440
just disappear for months at a time uh it's good that he's out there talking to the american people
01:05:29.460
whether you like his policies or not at least you're hearing about them from him it's kind of nice
01:05:34.480
are you still joe bidening it right now um by the way one interesting part about the drug
01:05:44.020
thing yeah because and the examples you can always find examples you would mention one of two thousand
01:05:48.940
dollars and twenty dollars of the price that we're paying i don't i you know but the average is about
01:05:53.520
three times as much okay for brand name drugs oh that's not bad which is high yeah it's bad i will
01:06:00.260
say however we're paying about a third less than competing countries on generic drugs which are 90
01:06:07.360
percent of our prescriptions in this country right so there is a small subset of drugs right where we do
01:06:13.380
pay more but overall that's not really the case at all and certainly the problem has been massively
01:06:18.520
exaggerated by you know the left over the years and i think there are examples of it where you
01:06:24.380
could sit here you know people will point to that guy who's the guy a pharma bro who was like jacking
01:06:29.500
up all the prices this is you know years ago i don't remember his name off you you'd you'd know the
01:06:33.900
story if i went through the whole thing but we're like you know there are certain examples of prices
01:06:37.780
going really really high on certain things especially drugs that only hit small segments of the
01:06:42.560
population and of course if you're in that segment like you have a disease that could be helped by
01:06:47.460
one of those drugs really really uh important uh to you yeah as a societal situation though the problem
01:06:53.720
does get very much overblown i mean it really isn't as dramatic as it is uh tossed out there by the
01:07:01.400
media here's what the president is appealing to american sense of fairness yeah it is it is and then
01:07:08.600
the sense of have we been rubes this whole time everybody else is negotiating and we're not
01:07:15.360
negotiating no we're actually for the free market system the problem is we've violated it so far so so
01:07:24.800
deep violation uh through our our uh our medicare medicaid and our insurance companies and the way we
01:07:34.220
regulate them you know you either have to dump that or you have to negotiate for a better deal
01:07:41.140
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hang on just a second welcome to the uh glenbeck program uh china has just said that uh they're
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going to uh not ship fentanyl to the united states anymore and as a guy who wakes up on
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operating tables what do you mean by that i mean fentanyl is a good thing it's also a very bad thing
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but it's a good thing it's a good thing if used used as directed excuse as directed yeah that's kind
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of a yeah thing so you're saying you want fentanyl for its medical uses for medical uses yeah i mean
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you know it's i mean sometimes there's pain that i mean i look i don't want to take fentanyl uh i
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don't ever want to take fentanyl again um but i was in pain so badly uh that that's the only thing
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that took me out of pain for a while and i didn't have a problem with that at the time i wanted the
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pain to stop and you know strangely it doesn't it just makes you like i don't care i don't really
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care anymore i'm i'm i think i might be able to fly uh i could put myself out i'm on fire i'll put
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myself out by flying off the roof you know uh so it's bad when not under uh you know the strict
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supervision of a doctor right yeah i was talking to a friend of mine who's an anesthesiologist
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this weekend we're you know in between baseball games yeah uh watch you know and he was saying that
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you know he he was talking about some drug it wasn't fentanyl it's another one in my mind it
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translated as the michael jackson drug that uh propofol it might have been that yeah yeah and
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he was saying you know he yeah this has come a long way over the years this this technology and he
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says but he says like you know sometimes like certain people he says especially like you know
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people maybe who are uh you know have uh um sleep apnea have issues um some people who are bigger
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have issues like where that's two out of the two you're about a thousand i'm anxious to hear what
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he has to say here but he said sometimes people will in the middle of like of this will open their
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eyes and just look at you right in the eyes and be awake but not like not awake like dead inside
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almost like you know like not like hey having a conversation but like no i wake up as i wake up and
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i'm like i just don't look him in the eye i just say i'm in pain and then they usually have me down
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again by that time yeah it's credible like what what they could do with this and that's the thing
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like part of the issue i think over the years is we've gotten a little too generalistic with the
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medical field and that like you know uh pharmaceutical companies are are the come are the problem like
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period and it's like well they might cause some problems some of them certainly have done bad things
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we've had government mandates that we've all disagreed with uh on the other hand they also
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do a lot of really great things and you know you gotta find that balance i guess this is like where
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you have to i mean this is where you have to find most things you you you shouldn't be totally against
01:12:16.700
or for anything now there are a few caveats national socialism i'm completely against are you sure
01:12:24.480
i'm positive just i'm positive some historical evidence some historical evidence may pop up from time
01:12:30.500
to time but there are some things but for the most part you can't say pharmaceutical companies are
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bad they're not they're both they're both they can be greedy they can be destructive uh but they also
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can be miracle workers miracle workers yeah it's true like i was talking a friend of mine who uh was
01:12:49.760
very very much off of the big pharma bandwagon let's say you know just you know he's i talked to him
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and he's always said you know and we bust on each other over it and that guy we're definitely on
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different sides of it and he was just like oh gosh you know every single thing is you know he's
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anything you can come up with it's a negative connotation to a pharmaceutical company he'll
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he'll kind of what he believes until he was in the hospital and because he had hurt himself and needed
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drugs then he was all for it like then all of a sudden you're all for it and like you're using
01:13:19.420
when you get to that point you usually you're usually all for it like i gotta i gotta make it stop
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all right this is really a good pharmaceutical companies are really a good thing yeah and so
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there's a difference between hey every single time you have a minor issue you should take
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endless medication to the end of your life and you know look a lot of these things actually have done
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a lot of really positive uh uh developments what do you think about advertising pharmaceutical
01:13:45.800
companies advertising i'm i'm fine with it i know most people are not uh most that's it's not
01:13:50.820
we're the only ones in the world that do it you know again this used to be a thing that the american
01:13:57.420
people would be proud of when i know i know when we had a i'm not yelling at you but like it feels
01:14:03.040
like i do you know what you bastard um no we used to used to say hey we're the only ones doing this
01:14:10.200
yeah we're the only ones with a with a with the first amendment for example yeah but we used to be
01:14:16.500
proud of such things i know but we also we also we're not but wait oh but what is inner mongolia
01:14:23.000
doing it if if mongolia has the policy it must be right right no those people didn't even have tvs
01:14:30.440
they really have it going on anyway uh the you know the but the problem is is that we've everything's so
01:14:37.000
out of whack that's the problem for it's wait wait wait yeah i have no problem with average believe me
01:14:44.060
i've built empires on advertising not really pharmaceutical advertising right no yes but so
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i i i understand advertising but there is a difference between you know i go back to edward
01:14:57.240
bernays the guy who is the father of modern they say advertising he used to be the father of propaganda
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yeah until goebbels used all of his teachings to like you know do everything that national socialists
01:15:11.720
do that's a earlier topic um you know it's it's propaganda and when it is overused and people
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just become so brainless that they're like yeah i gotta act on my that i gotta you know what i got
01:15:27.720
that problem i got that problem i need that drug to make that problem go away and you really don't
01:15:32.060
have that problem and everybody nobody really everybody's just making a buck when when it gets
01:15:36.740
that far out of whack then you have problems everything can be solved with all of us just
01:15:43.120
kind of backing away from the extremes just going you know what it's not necessarily a bad thing not
01:15:49.260
on things like free speech though we we no no no i shouldn't back off from that companies should be
01:15:54.260
able to advertise what they want to advertise in my view i i'm saying i mine too i what i'm saying is
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that if we would just i don't know have an ounce of self-control yeah we wouldn't have to worry about
01:16:10.640
regulation well that's a great point because i and this is why when this debate comes down the line
01:16:16.140
i'm almost confused at who the target is in it look we the target is the pharmaceutical company for
01:16:24.140
saying what they believe their drug does now you might say you might disagree with that but like
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we have a system in which doctors are required to prescribe these medications and if you go if i
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go hey i've got plopopal which i saw i was i was watching a basketball game and they said i should
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have plopopal and then you're there's an element here where the doctor's supposed to say well wait a
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minute that actually wouldn't make any sense for you or it would right and like people will say well
01:16:55.520
they have undue influence on the doctor you should have a doctor that doesn't isn't telling you what
01:17:01.800
uh it brings me back to what i said have an ounce of self-control exactly it is up to you it's first
01:17:08.800
of all you to make your your decisions as to what you put in your body um and then secondly uh it is
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an issue where the doctors should have a line there like it's like it's like saying you know fast food
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companies shouldn't be able to advertise well there's a line there where you're supposed to
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make decisions on what you eat it's your responsibility not theirs they shouldn't have
01:17:31.000
to say well our food actually sucks you should be able to make decisions about yourself so here's
01:17:36.840
the thing and it i mean it goes back to i mean this is rather new thought okay uh it goes it goes back
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to i don't know when was it last week no 1750 where adam smith was talking about wealth of nations
01:17:53.880
that's the capitalist system before that was book one of the series moral sentiments yeah where if you
01:18:04.960
don't have self-control if you as a society are just like i want some of that you're you you're gonna
01:18:14.080
get exactly what you deserve and that's the problem we have we have put all of our faith
01:18:20.240
in wealth of nations and completely dismissed moral sentiments wealth of nations the capitalist system
01:18:28.220
does not work without self-control by everyone involved that means you the consumer i want more porn
01:18:37.400
it will give you more porn so if you don't have self-control then the free market is incentivized
01:18:45.660
because everybody's screaming for more porn you're gonna produce people who rise up and like i'm gonna
01:18:52.520
make money off of that and they'll produce because they have no moral sentiments either they'll produce
01:18:57.940
the porn for everybody screaming for porn so how do you do it you regulate the market no you teach
01:19:07.780
moral sentiments that's why that's why in our country this is why religion has been so important
01:19:15.380
because it puts a self-regulator on people when you look you don't even have to believe in god you
01:19:22.040
don't even have to believe in god let's just say let's just say let's let you and i talk as a couple
01:19:27.860
of atheists here that just don't have any belief in god at all look the rubes that do believe in god
01:19:35.020
because i know you know so much better i do too you know we don't we don't buy into those fairy tales
01:19:40.360
so you and i know better we don't have to have self-regulation at all we're totally solid
01:19:45.100
but the rest of those people if they just believe there's a scary god some scary sky god there with his
01:19:53.740
thunder gun and he's like oh you're bad i'm gonna send you to hell maybe they won't do those bad
01:20:00.920
things and society will work now let me explain this as a christian if we just do what god told
01:20:10.100
us to do he's frustrated god's god's exactly like you are except a better version of it but he's exactly
01:20:19.140
like you are he's been saying to us don't do that that's gonna hurt don't don't don't run with those
01:20:23.560
scissors don't know you don't run into you're gonna run into the patio door you're gonna run into the
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patio door the it's the patio door don't run and you're gonna run into the boom you hit the patio
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door and god's like yeah yeah now is that a punishment no he's been telling you the whole time
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don't do that because that's going to happen so he's just laying out a few rules and going hey don't do
01:20:44.540
that because i'm not going to punish you your own actions will punish you by us not having moral
01:20:51.760
sentiments it's nobody's fault it's not the internet's fault it's not the pharmaceutical
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company's fault it's not the doctor's fault it's not the it's not the politician's fault you know
01:21:02.380
it's our fault it's their fault it's all of our faults as humans as americans we've chosen
01:21:09.180
we can have everything we can do whatever we want what i do doesn't matter it does matter you
01:21:16.600
want to fix things that's the only way to fix them it's never going to be fixed in washington
01:21:20.080
it's going to be fixed by each of us having just a little bit of self-control you should read this
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new book called by this new writer what's his name adam smith wealth of nations is book two
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moral sentiments is book one read moral sentiments you'll understand how to fix it all uh all right
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you think it you think it might be billy eilish how about how about let me play this uh tell me who
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right now you'd say is she adele this is adele right
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uh no not adele try try this one uh maybe maybe she's not adele maybe she's not billy eilish
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this girl is like unbelievable unbelievable her name again is emma nissen i just found her i know other people have listened to her for a long time i can't stop listening to her
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oh well they're kind of like adele well they're kind of like no
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71% of Democrats now say that this person should go to prison.
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Single-handedly saved it more for climate than anybody else on the planet.
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I will say, if you're looking at this honestly, with the left-wing calculus, right, it is impossible
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to disagree with that, that he's done more than anyone else.
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I mean, he basically took electric cars from nothing, when no one wanted them, no one had
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them and built the world's largest car company out of it, not to mention what he's done with
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Solar City, the solar company, that, you know, solar roofs and solar panels.
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I mean, how many conservatives do we know that either own Teslas or have solar on their house
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And not because of the conservative turn, necessarily, of Elon Musk, which is part of
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it lately, but because he was the first person that actually made it work.
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Now, it's just so you know, so you don't get all down in the mouth, when I say they want
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to put him in prison, you might say, what's the logical question there?
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No, it's actually 71% of Democrats now want to pass a law that puts him into prison.
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So just when you thought it was bad, no, no, it's much worse.
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They want to retroactively put him in prison, not for a crime he committed, but for one,
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They are for an unidentified, nondescript law that would put him in prison.
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How far are you going to fall, Democrats, before you realize, I might be on the wrong side?
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You now are for passing, coming up with a law where the objective is, put that guy in jail.
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I mean, I'm just working on it just off the top of my head here, but I don't think I could
01:35:06.200
Would you ask Grok or ChetGPT, how could I defend creating a law whose objective is only
01:35:27.280
No, no, of writing a law whose only objective is to put Elon Musk in jail.
01:35:36.660
Because I don't even think Grok could come up with it.
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I'm going to get no, my Twitter account's going to get, it's going to get no reach after
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I'm just saying some part of this algorithm is going to pick up.
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Defending a law with the sole objective of jailing Elon Musk is a tough sell.
01:36:09.000
But let's give it a shot by framing it in a way that might appeal to reason while acknowledging
01:36:17.180
The argument hinges on principles of accountability, deterrence, and symbolic justice, though it's
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riddled with issues that might make it more of a thought experiment than a practical proposal.
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First, such a law could be pitched as a response to concentrated power.
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Musk's influence through wealth of control of companies like Tesla, SpaceX.
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And that's not that that was not the question in the poll.
01:36:40.660
That is not the question in the poll question in the poll is, would you support the designing
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That is again, this is why we harp on principles and foundations so much, because no matter what
01:37:00.840
the name is in that sentence, the answer is always no.
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Like the principle of the moment, you'd have to know that at the beginning, right?
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When you hear a sentence like that, you should reflexively say, absolutely not, regardless
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What winds up happening with a lot of people on the left, and I think it's a problem on
01:37:23.880
the right to a lesser extent, is do I like the name that it was mentioned?
01:37:29.700
Do I think bad things should happen to the person mentioned in the sentence?
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Like if we were to flip that around and say, do you support a law that would throw, you
01:37:40.760
I do not support a law that was created with the sole design to put George Soros in prison.
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If George Soros broke a law, he should go to prison.
01:37:50.480
But I do not support a law created to put him in prison.
01:37:55.060
Now, you get to the LeBron James territory, I might go along with you.
01:37:58.100
But even with Soros, I would support a law that would say, you cannot do these things.
01:38:07.940
And that means he has to stop doing those things.
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You do not get in trouble for things that happened beforehand, right?
01:38:19.300
You can't retroactively prosecute someone for a crime, for a law that was passed afterward.
01:38:24.200
That, I think, is a fundamental principle of our country.
01:38:28.220
And, of course, it should be applied equally to everyone.
01:38:31.740
It shouldn't just be to one person because of his name.
01:38:37.820
I think ChatGPT's answer might be even better than Grok.
01:38:47.800
It said, defending a law with the sole objective of jailing Elon Musk is a tough sell.
01:38:51.140
But let's give it a shot by framing it in a way that may appeal to reason while acknowledging
01:38:59.080
Legally and morally, it's extraordinarily difficult, if not impossible, to justify writing a law
01:39:06.740
whose sole and explicit purpose is to imprison one individual, such as Elon Musk, without
01:39:12.460
violating core principles of justice, equality under law, and constitutional protections.
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However, if the question is to attempt an argument in favor of such a law as a rhetorical or theoretical
01:39:27.920
exercise, here is the best possible version of that case, though it is inherently flawed
01:39:46.300
Because unlike you so far, unlike anybody of those 71% of Democrats who are like, yeah,
01:39:53.380
I'd be for that, it's still using critical thinking.
01:39:58.880
It's still saying, wait a minute, I have to check this against a couple of other things.
01:40:08.920
Does that support liberty and justice and equality under the law?
01:40:18.040
If you don't ask those critical thinking questions, you're like, yeah, I don't like Elon Musk.
01:40:30.380
And by the way, I will say, what you just heard us do is literally happening inside the
01:40:39.120
One of the things that's interesting about these programs, which are very, very good at
01:40:44.360
what they do, is there used to be a line where a politician came up with a crazy idea,
01:40:53.980
And they would prop it up there and they would say, hey, they would go to their attorneys
01:40:59.440
And the attorneys would typically say, no, of course not.
01:41:03.620
What's happening now is everyone's got kind of an attorney in a box and they're going
01:41:08.840
to it and they're saying, hey, give me the best case possible for this policy, which we
01:41:20.120
But they toss out all of the stuff you read already.
01:41:23.520
And then they bring that to the American people and try to get it to catch on.
01:41:30.380
One example I'll give you of this is the one that Joe Biden did right at the end of his
01:41:35.840
presidency when he just declared the Equal Rights Amendment passed.
01:41:45.980
They go in there and they get some justification.
01:41:52.020
It's a possible argument that could theoretically maybe be the truth, maybe.
01:41:56.880
And then they just go to the public with it and try to enforce it.
01:42:00.760
Everyone just ignored Joe Biden because they thought he was asleep as he was saying it.
01:42:10.300
OK, if I want to justify it, justify a law that puts Elon Musk in jail.
01:42:15.720
It says in this hypothetical, Elon Musk, by virtue of his control over critical infrastructure,
01:42:23.300
Starlink, platforms for public discourse, discourse like Twitter or X, massive transportation
01:42:31.060
and defense contracts, Tesla, space and global influence could be seen as a private actor
01:42:55.080
Once you cross this Rubicon, you don't go back.
01:42:58.980
But anyway, let me could be seen as an actor with state like power, but without state level
01:43:05.480
If he repeatedly evades regulatory oversight or is found manipulating markets, weaponizing
01:43:12.720
satellites in geopolitical conflicts or undermining U.S.
01:43:17.560
sovereignty through opaque foreign deals, Congress might argue that national interest justifies
01:43:25.980
From that vantage point, a law targeting Musk might be framed not as a personal vendetta,
01:43:32.320
but as a necessary surgical like strike to prevent a modern day oligarch from becoming
01:43:37.640
untouchable, a figure above the law immune to consequences.
01:43:43.540
You would have to have all of those other things happening, and then maybe you could make the
01:43:58.240
Then you just have opened the door for everybody going to jail, and you have no meaning behind
01:44:05.820
You could write a law to make anybody go to jail.
01:44:11.220
Isn't that the thing that everybody is saying that they're trying to avoid?
01:44:15.640
I know I'm trying to avoid that from the right and the left.
01:44:21.000
I want to be a nation of laws, not a nation of men.
01:44:28.260
Well, when you're a nation not of laws and you're a nation of men, men can say that person
01:44:33.220
needs to go to prison because I don't like that person.
01:44:41.080
A nation of laws is what George Washington said we now have.
01:44:45.080
We have a nation of laws and not a nation of men.
01:44:47.920
A nation of laws don't allow you to single one individual out.
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And if they're not violating the law, you just don't like it.
01:45:02.860
Well, then there's nothing you can do about it.
01:45:04.840
Unless you want to start compromising your own values.
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You this is why everybody's like, well, look, Donald Trump, you can't put Joe Biden in jail.
01:45:20.060
But you wouldn't put Joe Biden in jail because he's Joe Biden.
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You put Joe Biden and his family in jail because they're criminals.
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I'm saying there should have been an investigation like there would have been on Donald Trump.
01:45:35.840
And if he broke the law, then he and his family should go to jail.
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This is what our friends who are Democrats need to understand.
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Bill Gates accuses Elon Musk of killing children.
01:48:04.300
That is the first word that came to my mind, too.
01:48:10.780
I do feel like we, the cage match idea, remember that was going on for a while between, was
01:48:18.140
I think now, the Elon Gates cage match could be the next step in this evolution.
01:48:25.640
My second thought after wow was, well, Bill Gates would know about killing children.
01:48:31.700
I thought that might be where you were going with that.
01:48:38.400
Because he may be a very good man that really, really cares and doesn't want to have people
01:48:44.660
die just so he could get the population of Earth a little lower because that would lower
01:48:51.480
Even though that's what he has said in the past.
01:48:53.380
Was it his dad that was a Planned Parenthood guy?
01:48:58.920
Yeah, his dad was the head of Planned Parenthood, I think, in Seattle or Washington State, something
01:49:12.820
He'll just take all of his money and go do something else with it.
01:49:20.760
Write it down on your calendar so we've got some time.
01:49:22.900
We've got plenty of time to warm up for that one.
01:49:33.480
Trump's funding cuts are unofficially halting government operations.
01:49:37.740
Now, this is being written by the Washington Post as a bad thing.
01:49:46.200
Limits on spending have incapacitated parts of agencies as varied as the National Park
01:49:58.520
When you mow the lawn around all of the monuments, then I'll care about the National Park Service.
01:50:11.580
When has the left been concerned about the Pentagon having less control and less power?
01:50:20.080
Apparently, Environmental Protection Agency research at 11 laboratories has ground to a halt.
01:50:32.240
11, 11 laboratories research at 11 laboratories.
01:50:36.120
Not all research, some research at 11 laboratories has come grinding to a halt at the EPA.
01:50:46.340
I'd like to know what those experiments were before I'm all, oh my gosh, I can't believe.
01:50:55.420
Some scientists have had to stop what they're doing?
01:51:06.120
A listener made this for me, and I just got this today.
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Listen a couple of weeks back when you mentioned losing Uno.
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Because this is really, you know, just unconditional love with your dog.
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Most dog food, even the good stuff, is cooked at temperatures that burn out almost all of
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So what's left is stuff that he's getting that is basically meat-flavored, multivitamin deficiency
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You just sprinkle on whatever you're feeding them, and it adds all of that stuff that keeps
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your dog happy and healthy and excited about mealtime, vitamins, minerals, you know, the
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whole canine gut healthy, you know, symphony that should be going on inside of him.
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He's going to love it, and you're going to start seeing a difference in your dog, I think,
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So I am thrilled to have Dr. Jay Bhattacharya on with us.
01:52:53.740
I want to talk to him about bringing science back into the NIH.
01:52:59.180
There was a lab leak, and I want to get to that here in a second, but I've got to touch
01:53:02.500
on the news of the day, and it's not really his area of expertise, but the president just
01:53:11.280
Doctor, welcome to the program, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya.
01:53:18.220
It's actually something I studied in a past life when I was a professor.
01:53:21.200
The difference in drug prices between the United States and Europe is sharp and alarming, and
01:53:31.300
Americans pay sometimes between two to five times, sometimes as high as 10 times the price
01:53:39.260
And, you know, as a professor who has a, you know, as a PhD in economics, I'll tell you,
01:53:45.120
when you see persistent price differences like that, that indicates a very unhealthy market.
01:53:50.740
And in this particular case, what it means is that American consumers essentially are being
01:53:58.500
American patients are paying, you know, through the nose for drugs that Europeans pay much
01:54:05.480
less for, and the reason is that the European countries will tell drug companies, if you
01:54:11.480
don't lower the drug prices to a very low level, you know, just above marginal cost, then
01:54:19.300
And what the drug companies have told Americans is that if we don't pay higher drug prices,
01:54:28.080
What the president's executive order does is says, tell the Europeans, look, this is not
01:54:32.340
This is actually lowering the investment that we ought to be making on R&D for drugs, and
01:54:38.280
so that they should be paying prices that are equal to the level that Americans pay, and
01:54:43.640
Americans should be paying much lower prices than we do pay, much closer to competitive
01:54:51.160
And now what we'll have to see is what your Europeans do and what the drug companies do
01:54:56.700
But to me, I've been hearing about this problem for decades.
01:54:59.980
It's the first time seeing a president really take a big step forward to try to address
01:55:04.380
I mean, as somebody who is in, you know, research for a very long time, let me, doesn't
01:55:11.020
the promise of AI, AGI, ASI lessen this whole thing of we need gobs of money to be able to
01:55:19.520
do R&D, because that should, you know, maybe five years from now, begin to do a, to cut
01:55:26.200
those costs dramatically to take that chair away from the table or put that chair back
01:55:34.600
Yeah, no, that is actually a quite promising thing.
01:55:36.880
So, I mean, just to give one example, there's this technology called AlphaFold that allows
01:55:42.960
scientists to much more easily understand how proteins will fold on each fold and how, and
01:55:50.980
as a result, hopefully, anyways, dramatically reduce drug development expenditures.
01:55:56.560
Drug development is always going to be expensive because you still have to run randomized, large
01:56:00.660
scale clinical trials, and those are going to be expensive.
01:56:03.320
But the initial steps of drug development with AI and as well the clinical trials are going
01:56:09.020
to be much more efficiently run over time, the idea that you need to have, you know,
01:56:14.420
trillions of dollars, you know, tens of billions of dollars to develop a single drug, we hope
01:56:20.160
is a thing that will become a thing of the past.
01:56:22.080
In any case, there's no reason why Americans should be shouldering the burden for the whole
01:56:26.340
The developed world should be bearing this burden together.
01:56:29.880
You know, I originally reached out to you because I wanted to talk to you about the HHS halting work
01:56:36.360
at high-risk infectious disease labs around the world, and I can't believe this is true,
01:56:46.420
So there was an incident that, at a bio lab, that apparently what happened is there was a,
01:56:57.980
I don't know, a personal squabble between people and a contractor actually punched a hole
01:57:04.060
in the other person's bio lab suit, I don't know, to get them sick or whatever, but it was,
01:57:20.320
Yeah, it was, I haven't been scared about anything in this job except for that one thing.
01:57:25.780
So I learned about this about three weeks in the job.
01:57:29.000
I've been in the job since the beginning of April.
01:57:31.300
So it turns out that there had been an incident a few weeks before, in fact, right before I joined
01:57:39.560
as the NIH director, at Fort Detrick, a lab run, and a part of the lab is run by the National
01:57:46.500
And it's a BSL-4 lab, which is the highest biosecurity level lab.
01:57:50.340
I mean, the lab, the experiments done there are on some really nasty bugs.
01:57:57.340
I mean, you know, Ebola, a whole bunch of like viruses and pathogens that if it gets out in the population
01:58:04.840
or if it infects lab workers, it's just really quite deadly.
01:58:08.580
And what I'd learned was that there'd been this incident just a few, just a couple weeks
01:58:14.340
before I joined as the director of the NIH, where a lab worker had cut a hole in a biocontainment
01:58:22.680
suit of a fellow worker with the express intention of getting that worker infected.
01:58:29.380
If that, if that, if that, and apparently it was over some lover's staff or, or I'm not
01:58:37.780
Um, uh, what I learned was that, that, that, that the, uh, not just that this incident had
01:58:43.400
happened, uh, which actually has a threat, not just to the worker, but also if that gets
01:58:50.380
I mean, it's just, I mean, I was actually, I mean, I was, I was absolutely livid.
01:58:54.780
Um, and so, uh, what I did is I ordered the lab on an operational shutdown, secured all
01:59:01.620
of the, the, the, the vials of, of the nasty bugs in a, in a, in a safe, safe, safe environment,
01:59:07.200
um, made sure that the animals were cared for that, that they're in the lab.
01:59:10.860
Um, uh, and, and we're going to, we're not going to open that up until the safety environment
01:59:16.920
Um, the contractor that was overseeing this, I think did a very lax job.
01:59:22.640
What I learned is that this goes back to the Biden administration, that the safety
01:59:26.280
environment in the lab essentially, uh, downplayed these kinds of security problems.
01:59:32.660
Um, if you're going to run experiments on these, on these bugs, and I'm not, personally,
01:59:37.720
I'm not sold that all of these experiments are worth doing, but in any case, if you're
01:59:42.380
going to run them, you have an absolute responsibility to have zero tolerance for safety problems.
01:59:48.980
This is a, it's, it's, the, the, the issue here wasn't just a one-off thing.
01:59:53.140
It was something that was problematic in the safety culture of this lab, where I don't,
01:59:58.840
I, I cannot guarantee that if we reopen the lab right now, that it would be a safe environment.
02:00:11.200
I mean, that really is attempted murder and maybe even on a mass scale.
02:00:15.820
I mean, there's an ongoing investigation, so I shouldn't say much more about this, but
02:00:21.040
it's one of those things where like, I was actually actively scared when I first heard
02:00:26.000
I mean, I think Americans are actively scared because none of this stuff should be happening.
02:00:31.100
I, I mean, we are just, we're just an accident or a stupid move or an intentional leak away
02:00:41.220
And, and, and, you know, you keep hearing people like Bill Gates say we're on the verge
02:00:47.560
I mean, why are we on the verge of another pandemic?
02:00:57.440
Uh, the key thing to me though, Glenn, is we don't want, we don't want to cause one.
02:01:01.420
We don't want to take steps that like increase the risk of them.
02:01:06.300
Uh, the irony of this past pandemic, the last, the COVID-19 pandemic is that it was very likely
02:01:11.980
caused by actions aimed at stopping pandemics from happening.
02:01:17.640
There was almost this hubris, I mean, it is hubris.
02:01:21.640
There was this, this idea, this, this idea that we could somehow, if we go into the bat
02:01:26.420
caves of China and all the wild places, bring all of those viruses that we find there and
02:01:31.800
pathogens that we find there into the labs, catalog them, we can somehow prevent all pandemics
02:01:37.740
from happening, make them more transmissible, more dangerous to humans.
02:01:41.080
We can somehow, as a result of that exercise, make it less likely to have pandemics happening.
02:01:46.880
Uh, but of course, what we found out is the opposite is true, that you can't do this kind
02:01:51.800
And, and actually, even if you, if you fully accomplish what was the aim of that sort of
02:01:56.960
that research program, which is to go out in the wild places and find the pathogens, you
02:02:03.300
Because what would happen is when, and if the outbreak happens, whatever countermeasures
02:02:08.340
you designed for them would already be out of date because the evolutionary biology of
02:02:16.160
And so when they got into the population, the countermeasures you prepared for, which you never
02:02:25.200
Um, have we stopped all of the gain of function stuff now?
02:02:32.680
So last week, President Trump signed an absolutely historic executive order that said, uh, it
02:02:38.620
puts a pause, uh, a full pause on all gain of function work throughout the government.
02:02:43.540
Um, and, uh, uh, we, we, we are, uh, we've implemented that pause at the NIH and I'm sure
02:02:49.420
the rest of the government has done the same, um, over the next 90 days, we're going to develop
02:02:53.520
a framework and here's how the framework is going to work, right?
02:03:00.280
So look, for instance, insulin is produced via a gain of function exercise.
02:03:05.900
There's no risk of a pandemic being caused by it, but you take a, you take a bacteria
02:03:10.400
E. coli, you, you change so they can produce insulin and that's how you produce human insulin.
02:03:17.620
On the other hand, you take a virus like a bat virus, a virus that, that, that, that,
02:03:23.180
that has these like sort of, uh, coronavirus like properties add a fur and cleavage site
02:03:27.980
and, uh, uh, and, and, and manipulate it so that it can infect human cells more easily.
02:03:33.080
Well, now you have the potential to cause a pandemic.
02:03:36.780
If you're going to do an experiment like that, you, the scientist alone, or the, or scientists
02:03:41.400
alone should not get to decide whether that risk is worth taking.
02:03:46.280
The public should be able to say, no, that there's no, no matter what knowledge you think
02:03:50.140
you're going to gain from that, it's not worth the risk of causing a worldwide pandemic
02:03:53.360
that's going to kill 20 billion, million people and cost $25 trillion or something.
02:03:58.460
But, and that's exactly what the framework is going to do.
02:04:01.100
It's going to say, if you scientists don't want to, if I, the scientist wants to run this
02:04:04.780
project, the public will have a veto over that.
02:04:07.420
Say, no, you're not allowed to do it because it's not worth it.
02:04:11.980
Most science has no chance of causing a pandemic, but any science that does, uh, is going to
02:04:16.060
be subject to this, this very, very strict regulatory framework.
02:04:18.920
We're on with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, who is a hero in my book.
02:04:23.140
Um, now the director of the National Institutes of Health.
02:04:25.500
Um, is an apology good enough for the National Institute of Health?
02:04:30.260
I mean, should anybody go to jail for what has happened?
02:04:32.980
And, and what is that like to walk into that building when you were, you know, enemy number
02:04:38.380
one to many in that building, you know, during the pandemic?
02:04:45.140
It's certainly a big turn of fate where I was sort of the, uh, I mean, subject of devastating
02:04:50.380
takedowns and called all kinds of names by folks who were, were in the, in this building
02:04:56.080
Um, but at the same time, I found many, many excellent scientists, many people devoted
02:05:00.620
to, to, to the advancing human knowledge for, for benefiting, uh, for, for the benefit of
02:05:09.680
They're not, they're not trying to like create havoc.
02:05:12.160
Um, and so I've been trying to find allies and I found a lot of allies in the building.
02:05:15.960
Um, you asked what, what should happen, uh, you know, regarding apologies.
02:05:21.940
I, I, I mean, I, I think the key thing, I'm, I'm, I personally, I'm very, very happy to
02:05:26.200
apologize on behalf of American public health, um, to the American people for his failures
02:05:33.740
How do we change the institution so that it's focused on the health needs of the American
02:05:37.940
people rather than these utopian schemes to like end all pandemics that, that, that,
02:05:42.940
that, that, that without any heed whatsoever to the risk that they take.
02:05:48.560
Uh, uh, uh, kind of idea institution, but it needs to be focused on real human needs,
02:05:55.920
real health, and it's in particular for the NIH, real human health needs.
02:05:59.640
Um, and, uh, there have to be guardrails so that scientists understand that they operate
02:06:12.160
Um, and so that's been the challenge is trying to, uh, keep the light of science alive while
02:06:18.080
still, uh, reminding scientists that we are not acting just as, uh, as, as if we were
02:06:24.240
like independent actors like God, we are, uh, are actually beholden to the American people.
02:06:30.380
Jay Bhattacharya, um, um, unfortunately have to take a network break.
02:06:33.720
I would love to have you back for a, uh, a longer podcast.
02:06:37.780
Thank you for everything you did during the, uh, the COVID nightmare and thank you for
02:06:43.020
standing up so strongly now and congratulations on being our director of the NIH.
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Uh, can we talk about the president and his airplane here for a second?
02:08:56.100
Uh, here's, here's the president back in February, what he was saying while on Air Force One about
02:09:07.400
It takes them a long time to do, you know, Air Force One.
02:09:14.020
And I'm not happy with the fact that it's taking so long.
02:09:19.800
We may go out, buy a plane or get a plane or something.
02:09:23.620
But I'm not happy with the fact that it's taking Boeing so long.
02:09:33.360
And now they supposedly, they're losing a lot of money.
02:09:35.880
And they'd like to see if they could, you know, up the price.
02:09:41.940
Is there any other commercial Air Force maker that could make a plane that Vegas Air Force?
02:09:55.440
That's what he's been thinking about, is converting.
02:09:59.480
Because really, honestly, the other option, because Boeing is saying it'll take him another 10 years.
02:10:12.340
Buy another one, or in this case, Qatar is giving one.
02:10:16.140
I'd rather buy another one from Qatar if you have to.