The Glenn Beck Program - 'Under Attack Like Never Before' - 4⧸13⧸18

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00:00:09.780 Love. Courage. Truth. Glenn Beck.

00:00:22.560 Cory Booker, yesterday. Do we have the audio?

00:00:27.500 I do want to give you a chance to speak about your comments on gay and lesbians.

00:00:33.440 You said in a speech that mourning an America that endorses perversion and calls it an alternative lifestyle, is your words.

00:00:44.080 Is being gay a perversion? 0.99

00:00:47.000 Okay, can I ask? I mean, what does this have to do with the Secretary of State?

00:00:52.700 What does this have to do? I mean, are we going to get into negotiations?

00:00:57.500 You know, with Kim Jong-un about this?

00:01:01.720 He wanted to know about gay sex? 1.00

00:01:04.260 Cory Booker, stop the campaigning for just a second, will you?

00:01:08.560 All right.

00:01:09.500 If you want to know where this is headed, let me just start here.

00:01:14.400 You should read about Salem, Massachusetts in 1693.

00:01:19.580 Witchcraft is not what's on trial here.

00:01:25.720 Faith, religious doctrine, Christianity, that's what's on trial here.

00:01:32.860 Because that's what happened.

00:01:34.540 Booker was trying to pull out of the closet Christianity.

00:01:42.220 He was trying Pompeo's Christianity. 0.95

00:01:47.520 Well, what would Pompeo, what would have happened if he would have taken the bait?

00:01:53.300 What would be the follow-up question?

00:01:56.940 Are you or are you not a Christian?

00:02:01.180 Are you now or have you ever been a Christian?

00:02:04.040 How many times do you pray?

00:02:08.460 Do you go to church every week?

00:02:10.100 I mean, what's the follow-up?

00:02:15.140 Is my Constitution copy, the one that I have, different than everybody else's?

00:02:19.220 Because in mine, freedom of religion is covered under the First Amendment.

00:02:25.780 In fact, it's in the First Amendment to make sure that there was no religious litmus test

00:02:33.280 to be able to serve in the government.

00:02:36.140 You didn't have to believe one thing that somebody else didn't believe.

00:02:41.260 This is why it's in the Constitution.

00:02:44.080 Because you used to have to go to a certain church and believe in a certain thing.

00:02:50.840 Our founders said, nope, everybody can.

00:02:53.200 And it doesn't matter what church you go to.

00:02:55.540 It doesn't matter if you don't go to church.

00:02:57.700 It doesn't matter.

00:03:02.880 Should it matter that Pompeo believes that gay sex is a sin?

00:03:09.440 Or can we think what we want?

00:03:14.000 Can we all believe?

00:03:15.400 See, this is an argument my daughter and I had years ago.

00:03:19.300 And now she has come to me and said, oh, wow, wait a minute.

00:03:23.500 This isn't about love.

00:03:25.500 No, it wasn't.

00:03:26.740 It was for the average person.

00:03:29.780 It was for the average person.

00:03:32.380 Hey, I have a right to love who I want to love.

00:03:35.440 You do.

00:03:36.080 Okay, good.

00:03:37.360 The government shouldn't be in this business of marriage at all.

00:03:41.400 But there was a lot of other people where it wasn't about love.

00:03:49.400 It was about control.

00:03:51.660 It was about getting everybody else to believe and think what they believe and think.

00:03:58.060 See, I thought that was the problem.

00:03:59.820 I thought that was the problem that people had with religious people.

00:04:03.660 That they were always trying to get you to believe and think exactly what they believe and think.

00:04:13.260 I've always thought, let's leave each other alone.

00:04:18.740 But I can't figure out for the life of me a group of people.

00:04:22.040 How a group of people who have been forced to live in a closet, forced to not be who they are.

00:04:33.480 How all of a sudden they want to force other people into their way of thinking.

00:04:43.020 Will every Christian belief soon be on trial in the hollowed halls of Washington, D.C.?

00:04:49.400 I mean, I know we're not going to try other religions, just Christianity.

00:04:53.140 Will everything Christians view as sinful suddenly make them inadequate or disqualified from public service?

00:05:00.160 Look, I have to tell you, I don't have a problem with Christianity at all.

00:05:04.060 I have a problem with Christians, sure. 1.00

00:05:07.400 Jesus, save me from your followers.

00:05:09.360 I think that an awful lot.

00:05:12.180 Because none of us are living it.

00:05:14.200 I mean, I don't know if I can be called a Christian.

00:05:23.080 Or I should say, I don't know if Jesus would call me a Christian.

00:05:27.780 I would hope so, but I don't know.

00:05:32.820 Christianity is absolutely under attack.

00:05:36.420 We all have to start living it.

00:05:43.080 But you can't tell me that if Keith Ellison, a practicing Muslim, was sitting in the same spot, 0.58

00:05:49.740 that he'd be given the same question.

00:05:53.520 They wouldn't have dared ask Keith Ellison anything like that about his religion.

00:06:01.160 But Pompeo's Christianity, it's fair game. 1.00

00:06:03.760 For some reason, it's easier for them to believe that a Muslim is capable of being both religious

00:06:11.400 and able to champion secular rights of people, but a Christian isn't somehow.

00:06:20.220 I mean, Muslims in the Middle East are throwing gay people off of rooftops. 1.00

00:06:27.040 But we won't question that.

00:06:29.780 And quite honestly, I don't think we have to question that.

00:06:33.160 We have to know, do you want to throw people off rooftops?

00:06:36.980 But that wasn't okay for Pompeo to say.

00:06:40.660 Pompeo said yesterday that, look, I've treated everybody the same.

00:06:45.580 My view is my view, but I treat everybody the same.

00:06:49.700 Okay, then I'm cool with that.

00:06:53.900 Hey, Mr. Keith Ellison, do you believe that homosexuality is a sin?

00:07:00.680 Can't ask that question.

00:07:04.000 I don't want to.

00:07:05.720 I want to ask this.

00:07:07.360 And I think I know the answer.

00:07:11.140 Keith Ellison, do you believe the people are right throwing gay people off the rooftops?

00:07:17.660 He's going to say no.

00:07:20.180 Okay.

00:07:20.700 Does anybody remember this comment?

00:07:26.520 I believe that marriage is not just a bond, but a sacred bond between a man and a woman.

00:07:36.240 Okay.

00:07:36.920 Hillary Clinton breezed through her confirmation in near record time.

00:07:41.240 Did you notice that no one asked her about the heresy of declaring marriage as being between a man and a woman?

00:07:49.920 If it's so pivotal, being the Secretary of State, why didn't they ask her that?

00:07:56.680 Oh, because she learned.

00:07:58.260 No, she didn't.

00:07:59.160 She was either lying then or she is lying now.

00:08:03.620 She only came to this enlightened position when it became popular in the polls.

00:08:13.760 Now, maybe they didn't ask her because her last name is Clinton.

00:08:17.560 But it's also because Christianity is under attack like never before.

00:08:27.700 We all have to put on the full armor of God because we ain't headed any place good.

00:08:36.140 And the witchcraft trials are coming soon.

00:08:47.560 It's Friday, April 13th.

00:08:50.260 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:08:52.580 It's shameful what's going on.

00:08:56.920 But as long as we're living our lives the way we're supposed to be,

00:09:01.440 as long as we humble ourselves,

00:09:04.240 and as long as we live in love,

00:09:08.060 I think we're going to be okay.

00:09:10.620 It's going to just get harder and harder to do.

00:09:12.480 And we've got 12 warships setting sail for Syria.

00:09:18.300 This no longer sounds like a little missile strike.

00:09:21.440 And we have telegraphed what we're going to do.

00:09:23.940 And so Syria is moving all of their armaments onto Russian bases, 0.54

00:09:27.900 which is going to make it even harder.

00:09:30.440 And we're building a coalition.

00:09:32.480 And apparently Donald Trump and John Bolton want to send a strong message.

00:09:37.580 And the Pentagon is warning we're one mistake away here from having a war with Russia.

00:09:46.340 I'm bringing in Jason Batrill, who is a senior advisor and researcher

00:09:51.380 specializing in military and foreign operations.

00:09:56.800 Hello, Jason.

00:09:57.860 Howdy.

00:09:58.720 So what are we heading for here?

00:10:01.020 12 warships.

00:10:02.320 So we've got a carrier strike.

00:10:04.620 I think it's the Truman heading in that direction.

00:10:07.540 So that's about a total of six ships,

00:10:09.740 the aircraft carrier and its support group.

00:10:12.860 And then we also already have four destroyers in that area already with two submarines. 0.66

00:10:17.680 So this is one of the larger buildups that we've seen probably since the Iraq invasion.

00:10:23.860 A big difference there was there were six aircraft carriers.

00:10:26.940 So there was a lot of firepower, but that was an invasion.

00:10:29.560 This is obviously not an invasion,

00:10:30.980 but this is still a very large buildup of firepower.

00:10:33.820 Now, if you consider the coalition that you talked about,

00:10:36.260 this building with the UK and France,

00:10:38.100 if they even match that together by half each country,

00:10:43.340 then we're looking at a significant force.

00:10:46.180 Now, what that tells us is that they're not going to do what they did last time.

00:10:49.040 It's not just going to be 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles

00:10:51.000 at a random Syrian base and a few planes.

00:10:56.320 And by the way, that airfield that we hit last time

00:10:59.000 was operational in a matter of hours.

00:11:01.240 So that last track did nothing.

00:11:03.660 So that's what Mattis is telling Donald Trump right now.

00:11:07.180 He's saying, look, what we did last time didn't really do anything.

00:11:10.100 It didn't do anything then.

00:11:11.260 It didn't deter chemical weapons use because they're still using them like crazy.

00:11:14.540 It didn't do anything.

00:11:15.480 So what you have to do now, if you don't want to do something pointless,

00:11:19.220 is go all in.

00:11:20.540 You need to build a coalition.

00:11:22.080 You need to strike multiple targets and actually do something that's going to cause anything.

00:11:25.960 What are we doing?

00:11:26.820 And what does all in mean?

00:11:28.200 All in means an invasion.

00:11:29.640 It means a full war, right? 0.89

00:11:32.780 Is that what you think they should do?

00:11:34.160 Or you think that they, are they even considering that?

00:11:36.500 Because they tend to deny that they're even considering that.

00:11:39.760 Yeah, well, I don't think an invasion is quote unquote all in on this.

00:11:44.980 I think that they're looking to significantly, the only thing that would make, that would

00:11:49.980 justify this is if they damage him enough that regime change would come organically.

00:11:55.780 That would, you know, come out.

00:11:57.580 You know, so the thing that changed the face of the war was Russian air power.

00:12:00.520 So coalition, NATO coalition air power would reverse that.

00:12:06.040 So a la, you know, Libya, Gaddafi, something along those lines.

00:12:10.460 That kind of, that would be their all in. 0.76

00:12:12.960 And luckily Libya worked out really well. 1.00

00:12:15.000 Great.

00:12:15.280 That was a home run.

00:12:16.820 Look at what we create this power vacuum.

00:12:21.180 That's not going to be good because Iran is going to sweep in. 1.00

00:12:26.120 Right?

00:12:27.060 You're exactly right.

00:12:27.920 And the, uh, the joint chiefs have actually said that before they've, they've made hints.

00:12:32.500 So what are we doing?

00:12:34.300 What do you think the plan is?

00:12:36.320 That's a very good question.

00:12:37.460 I don't think they've had a plan for a very long time.

00:12:40.860 They've handed the, the, the area over to Iran.

00:12:43.660 They've got no plans about what to do now.

00:12:46.320 So Iran is basically just taking over Syria, Iraq. 0.84

00:12:49.060 We've got no plans.

00:12:50.140 We're sitting there with the Kurds wondering what the heck do we do all the time. 0.87

00:12:54.140 Our NATO ally is coming down and killing the Kurds. 0.99

00:12:56.160 So we're sitting there like saying, Hey, you know, basically these Kurdish forces are our

00:12:59.880 only footprint in this country.

00:13:01.540 If we give in, which I believe we will and let Turkey go ahead and take the Kurds out, 1.00

00:13:05.960 then what's our plan?

00:13:08.220 So now really they're looking at, okay, we have to give the Kurds to Turkey.

00:13:11.900 They got to, I don't want that to happen, but they really have to, you know, do you side

00:13:15.760 with the Kurds or do you give into a NATO ally?

00:13:18.840 They're going to give into the NATO ally.

00:13:20.200 That shouldn't have been a NATO ally in the first place.

00:13:23.060 Completely agree.

00:13:23.440 So we have the Syrian government and Hezbollah, they have, they have reportedly evacuated the

00:13:31.520 weapons from key locations and Assad has moved his planes to the Russian operated bases.

00:13:37.480 He's no dummy.

00:13:38.820 So what do we, we can't, we can't hit a Russian base. 1.00

00:13:43.020 You would hope not, but that is exactly what Matt has said in the, in this, in this, in

00:13:47.940 the elite conversations in their meeting yesterday was that Bolton and Trump were like, yeah,

00:13:51.600 let's do it.

00:13:52.220 But Madison Dunford were like, Whoa, like there's significant chance for a mistake to happen

00:13:57.860 here, which has been there since we've, since the coalition against ISIS has happened, but

00:14:02.120 never so more than now right now.

00:14:04.460 So if we do actually say, okay, forget that we're still going to go all in quote unquote

00:14:08.660 and go for some of these military assets, what if we, what if we make a mistake on our

00:14:13.620 end and take out a couple of Russian troops, this will spiral out of control.

00:14:16.880 What if they just, what if their S 400 missile system, which is the most advanced one in the

00:14:22.000 world kicks off and downs a B two bomber or a Raptor or any other coalition aircraft, this

00:14:28.040 will spiral out of control.

00:14:29.300 The chances for a mistake here are huge and the, and the consequences are catastrophic.

00:14:34.300 I, we, we haven't been in a situation like this.

00:14:36.980 I don't think in an armed military, when have we ever during the cold war been this close

00:14:41.040 to Russian or Soviet soldiers?

00:14:42.800 So it sounds like a missile crisis.

00:14:44.720 Exactly.

00:14:45.360 It sounds as if you're saying it's not worth the risk.

00:14:47.980 Is that, is that your, I mean, if you had to break it down, is that what you think?

00:14:51.840 Yeah, I, exactly.

00:14:53.440 I don't, I don't think it's worth the risk.

00:14:55.300 And if they, if they believe it's worth the risk, it's such a heavy consequences.

00:15:00.180 This has to go to Congress has to.

00:15:02.380 And regardless, even if they're going to do that, even if it's not just a limited little

00:15:07.380 strike, like last year, they have to go to Congress.

00:15:09.900 This has to be put to a vote.

00:15:11.600 Here's what's really disturbing to me.

00:15:13.280 If you look at like the front page of the Drudge Report or really pretty much anybody,

00:15:17.060 you're not seeing this lead because nobody's clicking on that story.

00:15:21.680 You're just not clicking on that story because it hasn't, nobody's given this perspective yet.

00:15:28.000 Nobody has said, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

00:15:30.300 Stop talking about Comey.

00:15:34.460 Stop talking and stop promoting his new book.

00:15:37.520 Yeah, but he was shaking his hands and he made a mental note that his hands weren't as

00:15:40.720 small as had been reported.

00:15:41.940 Did you hear that?

00:15:42.620 Did you guys hear that?

00:15:43.620 That's incredible.

00:15:44.260 What an incredible leak.

00:15:45.840 This is, this is what we're concentrating on.

00:15:48.200 And the press is letting us down again.

00:15:52.240 But this time it may have serious consequences for the entire republic quickly.

00:15:59.880 Because we cannot go into war with Russia.

00:16:02.800 And it, it, it seems as though that's the way we're moving and that's the way the rest of

00:16:09.420 the world is moving.

00:16:10.900 Can we, can we pause for a second and have a conversation?

00:16:15.100 You're right, Jason.

00:16:16.480 This needs to go to Congress.

00:16:18.760 Congress needs to rule on this one because the consequences are far too high.

00:16:25.980 They're far too great, um, here to, to just, to just have somebody make the decision and

00:16:34.460 go in and do something where it could clearly be World War III.

00:16:39.540 If they would shoot down a B-2 or if we would hit their planes and their men and they responded 1.00

00:16:47.300 by launching at our battle group and they sunk a ship or two, can you even imagine?

00:16:55.440 I don't want war with Russia.

00:16:58.360 At least I don't want one that just starts on a Tuesday and we're all looking at each

00:17:04.100 other Wednesday going, wait, wait, wait, what the hell just happened?

00:17:08.400 America, we've got to wake up.

00:17:11.560 We've got to have serious conversations.

00:17:14.260 Stop talking about James Comey.

00:17:24.300 And as I say that CNN has their interview with James Comey.

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00:18:46.540 Glenn Beck Mercury.

00:18:49.040 Glenn Beck.

00:19:03.240 So President Trump now is set to pardon Scooter Libby.

00:19:09.860 It's a brilliant piece of strategy.

00:19:12.100 It is.

00:19:12.700 First of all, Comey appointed the person who brought the charges against him.

00:19:16.860 So it's a kind of a sticking in the face of, of Comey.

00:19:19.900 Yeah.

00:19:20.000 But more importantly, more importantly, it sends a great message to anyone who might do something, which is if you're loyal to the president, guess who gets pardoned?

00:19:27.840 Guess who gets pardoned in the end?

00:19:29.240 By the way, completely Trump's right to do.

00:19:31.420 I don't think he's wrong in pardoning Scooter Libby.

00:19:34.560 I think the charges were largely nonsense against him anyway.

00:19:39.320 So he's not doing anything wrong here, but it's a nice, the timing is a nice piece of strategy.

00:19:43.080 It's a heck of a nice piece of strategy because it sends dual messages, kind of a middle finger to James Comey.

00:19:50.040 And at the same time, a reminder to people who may or may not talk to a certain special counsel that if you stay loyal, that in the end there might be something good.

00:20:03.860 Look at, look at, look at what Washington and the media are circling around.

00:20:11.280 I mean, pardoning Scooter Libby, we're, we're, we're being told by Russia that we're on the eve of World War Three.

00:20:20.480 And this is what the press and Washington is dealing with.

00:20:26.860 Glenn Beck, Mercury.

00:20:33.860 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:20:37.820 There is a new show starting tonight on PBS called In Principle.

00:20:45.400 It is, it is hosted.

00:20:47.840 Try this out for a side.

00:20:49.760 It's hosted by Amy Holmes, who was with us.

00:20:55.080 She was, I think, like employee number two or three of the blaze.

00:20:58.600 She was our news anchor for years, a conservative and Michael Gershon, who was a speech writer for George W. Bush, a senior advisor for Bush, also a conservative.

00:21:15.440 Grace, I think her last name is Coulter.

00:21:20.480 She is the senior producer or the series producer.

00:21:24.320 And I think she was hired by PBS from Sinclair.

00:21:28.420 So I don't know how any of this happened, but it's on PBS of all places, a conservative talk show.

00:21:37.320 And I'm going to be a guest on it tonight.

00:21:39.140 Welcome to Amy and Michael.

00:21:42.360 How are you?

00:21:43.800 Good morning.

00:21:45.000 Doing great.

00:21:45.540 Glad to be with you.

00:21:46.740 So, first of all, do you guys have any comment on how this, I mean, is it the rapture in 10 days that brought this show to PBS?

00:21:55.480 No, they came to us, WTA, here in Washington.

00:22:00.940 I think they've been wanting to do a program like this for a while.

00:22:05.120 You know, a program, it's not an ideological program.

00:22:09.020 We deal with things broadly, but the topics are of interest to people in the center and center right, I think.

00:22:14.940 And, you know, the goal is to have sort of a civil discussion about not the issues of the day, but really sort of the ideas beneath the news, what's going on in the realm of ideas.

00:22:28.880 And, you know, they came to us, so we were honored to do it.

00:22:32.740 Michael, let me ask you, because you were in the White House with Bush from 2001 to 2006, I'm really disturbed by what things look like we're doing or preparing to do over in Syria.

00:22:48.880 I'm not really sure, but things are really quite tense.

00:22:53.220 What was it like when you were in the White House on days like this or weeks like this?

00:22:59.180 Well, we had too many of them, you know, with 9-11.

00:23:01.900 And Afghanistan and Iraq, surge in Iraq.

00:23:06.840 These were, you know, extraordinary days.

00:23:09.900 My fear is that the process in the White House seems to be chaotic.

00:23:16.400 I trust some of the actors like Secretary Mattis at the Defense Department, who was really a thoughtful and responsible guy.

00:23:25.960 But when you have the president announcing policies in tweets and then withdrawing them in tweets, you know, you've crossed some line.

00:23:35.420 I'm fearful about the process and the way they make decisions, which seems to be chaotic.

00:23:40.940 And process can really matter when it comes to life and death decisions.

00:23:44.600 Are we preparing for war, do you guys think?

00:23:49.360 Amy, do you think?

00:23:50.440 Are we preparing for war?

00:23:52.700 I don't know if we're preparing for war.

00:23:56.000 And I don't think that...

00:23:57.340 I'm not sure Amy's there.

00:23:58.420 No, she's there.

00:23:59.440 So we can hear her.

00:24:00.260 Michael, you probably can't.

00:24:01.460 Oh.

00:24:01.740 Go ahead, Amy.

00:24:02.520 Yeah, I don't think that we're necessarily preparing for war.

00:24:06.540 And the president, I don't think, has signaled that.

00:24:10.600 I don't think the American people want more engagement in the Middle East.

00:24:14.740 I think there's actually fatigue about engagement in the Middle East.

00:24:18.400 And, of course, the president campaigned on.

00:24:20.960 So what did we get out of all of this?

00:24:23.520 It doesn't seem particularly clear.

00:24:25.300 And then after eight years of the Obama administration and the Middle East becoming even more chaotic, I think the American people are certainly not prepared for that.

00:24:35.520 I don't know about the process in terms of decision-making.

00:24:38.960 We saw that there was the bombing after the chemical attack, you know, some months ago by the president.

00:24:47.400 But I don't think that he's geared up for some sort of full-scale military conflict.

00:24:51.760 I hope you're right.

00:24:53.620 Corey Booker yesterday went after Pompeo's Christianity.

00:25:00.280 Does that have a place in a hearing for the head of the State Department?

00:25:09.480 Well, that's the first I'm hearing of it.

00:25:11.760 Glenn, can you give us a few more details?

00:25:13.780 I mean, in fact, we have no religious tests for office in the United States.

00:25:18.940 That's part of the Constitution.

00:25:20.620 This has raised its head also in judicial nominations, particularly with Catholics, where their faith is questioned.

00:25:29.580 Are they going to be unbiased, as though religious people can't make judgments about law and fact?

00:25:38.060 So I think that this is one of the problems, is a kind of secularism that says religious motivations and views are somehow off-limits, as though other people don't have their own philosophic approaches and views.

00:25:52.460 It's kind of privileging a secular perspective instead of saying we all are informed by our most basic beliefs and should be.

00:26:02.920 So, yeah, I think that's a serious problem when you create a suspect class based on religious belief.

00:26:10.980 I'm really excited to have a new show with conservative perspective that everybody's going to be able to see.

00:26:16.200 I think it's a really exciting thing.

00:26:18.080 Amy, though, answer me this question.

00:26:20.620 Should I be excited?

00:26:21.420 Because the first guest is Glenn Beck.

00:26:25.060 Does he say anything in this interview that will end our careers?

00:26:28.240 No, you should not be excited at all about Glenn Beck being on TVX.

00:26:38.320 Of course, of course.

00:26:39.880 And, you know, we were discussing this after our interview with Mr. Beck, that we're there for open conversation.

00:26:50.940 And viewers, listeners, when they watch tonight, they're going to get that.

00:26:54.500 They're going to get thoughtful, reflective, candid, and, you know, self-critical discussion.

00:27:03.840 And, Glenn, you were asked very directly by my co-host, Michael, about some of the motivations that are built into the structure of media,

00:27:13.440 like getting ratings, getting more clicks, getting more likes, getting more upvotes.

00:27:18.440 And how does that influence, possibly, content for hosts and guests and so forth?

00:27:25.500 And, Glenn, you were pretty candid about that.

00:27:27.480 You're just like, yeah.

00:27:28.940 Well, I will tell you this, that I've done, obviously, a lot of interviews.

00:27:34.700 And I was really impressed the way you two worked together and how you let me answer.

00:27:42.240 And it wasn't a jump on every word that I say.

00:27:47.240 You know, I had some tough questions, obviously.

00:27:49.280 But it was a chance to actually speak without being interrupted and without argument, just honest questions, which I don't see very often.

00:28:00.940 Well, that's the goal of our show.

00:28:05.280 That's the goal of, you know, when the show was conceived, it's just like there's a lot of the sort of World Wrestling Federation of Politics on cable news.

00:28:14.740 And you see people in their corners and the bell rings and they go to battle.

00:28:19.440 And we felt like there's a real hunger and a real need to have a more expansive, thoughtful, and illuminating conversation about the politics, policies, and issues that really matter.

00:28:31.680 And so that's what we're aiming for.

00:28:33.760 Well, guys, thank you so much.

00:28:35.280 We will be watching tonight, 830 Eastern Time.

00:28:38.400 It happens on Fridays following Washington Week, Fridays on PBS.

00:28:43.420 It's called In Principle.

00:28:45.360 And we wish you all the luck.

00:28:47.480 And we'll see you tonight on your first episode.

00:28:58.120 The first episode airs tonight, 830 p.m. Eastern, 730 Central at PBS.

00:29:03.560 You can go to pbs.org slash In Principle is the name of the show.

00:29:06.740 The hashtag is In Principle on PBS.

00:29:09.580 Have we slipped through another wormhole yet?

00:29:11.920 I mean, it's, again, it's PBS doing a conservative show?

00:29:16.680 I don't know.

00:29:18.520 That's good, though.

00:29:18.980 I mean, it's nice to have a, I think, I'm really interested to watch the show because of the format that allows, I think, more, you know, a conversation that doesn't lend itself completely to soundbite answers with everyone cutting each other off.

00:29:34.800 I mean, I think we're at a point now with conservatism where it's important to have the voices from across that spectrum to be able to talk and actually let ideas come out.

00:29:46.980 I mean, you will look at it on social media and you have this situation where you make a comment and then you have 500 people yelling at you and it just devolves.

00:29:55.140 Yeah, it was so quickly.

00:29:56.280 It was really, it was really quite interesting and very self-reflective.

00:29:59.980 I mean, I don't know.

00:30:01.180 I think I interviewed with him for about an hour or so and I think the interview is going to end up being about 12 minutes.

00:30:09.380 So I don't know what they're going to.

00:30:10.160 Which is still pretty long.

00:30:10.920 Yes, still very long.

00:30:12.840 For television, that's an eternity.

00:30:15.540 But I'm anxious to see what they use.

00:30:18.380 But it was not a, it was a real good open discussion where we probed all of the media.

00:30:25.560 I think that's what people like, generally speaking, when talk radio is at its best.

00:30:30.400 There are times where it sucks, of course.

00:30:32.700 But when talk radio is at its best, you've got 15 hours a week to dissect important issues and hopefully be entertained and everything along the way.

00:30:42.080 But I mean, the goal being to be able to discuss those issues with a little bit of context, with a little bit of space, a little bit of a breathing room.

00:30:52.980 You know, I think we've gone, we get further and further away from that in the sort of click-baity social media sort of world.

00:31:00.300 But I think that's the strength of what talk radio has brought to the table for decades.

00:31:05.820 And, you know, hopefully if they can get to a point, and it seems like this is what they're going for, we can have actual conversations that aren't cut off every 10 seconds.

00:31:13.920 It would be nice.

00:31:15.040 The name of the show says it all.

00:31:16.660 It's in principle.

00:31:18.280 And that's what we have to talk about.

00:31:21.200 We have to talk about the bigger principles.

00:31:22.960 This Comey stuff today.

00:31:24.460 Oh my gosh.

00:31:25.020 Which is just promoting his book.

00:31:27.260 Yeah.

00:31:27.440 That's all this is doing is promoting a book.

00:31:29.560 And like, you know, Fox News.

00:31:30.640 We have criticism of Fox News over the years.

00:31:33.500 There's things that we don't like that they do.

00:31:36.040 But the sort of media criticism of Fox is that they're not taking the news seriously because all they want to do is defend Trump.

00:31:44.820 And you'll see, they'll show, you know, journalists all the time I see in my feed tweet things like, look at this, what's going on?

00:31:50.600 And you'll see, you know, Russia scandal, Russia scandal.

00:31:53.980 And then like Tucker Carlson's talking about panda bears or something.

00:31:56.920 Did you see this one?

00:31:57.660 And there's been a bunch of these that have come around all at the same time.

00:32:00.840 Like, here's these other networks, MSNBC and CNN taking things seriously while Fox is over there doing what they do, trying to ignore the big news.

00:32:10.040 I got to tell you, I watched, I was in my office.

00:32:12.120 Stop, stop.

00:32:13.220 Fox News.

00:32:14.180 Trump weighs Syria options with allies.

00:32:17.180 CNN.

00:32:17.880 Trump allies fear feds have Cohen conversation dates.

00:32:21.800 Yeah.

00:32:22.120 And I'll tell you.

00:32:22.600 Which one is the real news here?

00:32:24.280 Exactly.

00:32:24.940 And you can talk about motivation all you want.

00:32:27.040 You can say that, you know, maybe they're talking about this because they think the Comey book is bad for Trump.

00:32:31.260 We can make that accusation.

00:32:32.420 But I watched two, I was in my office working out yesterday afternoon for two hours.

00:32:36.060 And I was, I just had to keep glancing up at the television to see what was happening.

00:32:39.840 It was right as the Comey stuff is coming out.

00:32:41.360 And it's true that the Fox News spent a little bit, not much time on the stuff that was breaking from the Comey book.

00:32:48.060 But you know what they were talking about?

00:32:49.420 Issues of substance.

00:32:50.780 They were talking about Syria.

00:32:52.360 They were talking about Russia.

00:32:53.800 They were talking about important issues that were going on right now.

00:32:59.020 You know what they were doing on CNN?

00:33:00.420 They were talking about pee-pee tapes.

00:33:02.300 They were talking about pee-pee tapes.

00:33:03.800 They were talking about the clip that came out about James Comey noticing that Trump's hands were smaller than his but not abnormally small.

00:33:13.980 They were talking about all the gossip coming out of this book for two straight hours while Fox was at least talking about important issues.

00:33:20.640 They were talking about real things that actually matter to people.

00:33:24.040 The Syria thing is really, really serious. 0.70

00:33:28.720 It's really serious.

00:33:30.020 And when I got home yesterday and I saw the, as you call them, the pee-pee tapes.

00:33:35.100 I didn't call them the pee-pee tapes.

00:33:36.240 They were calling them pee-pee tapes on CNN.

00:33:39.240 They were talking about golden showers.

00:33:41.480 They were talking about all of it, all on CNN.

00:33:44.640 Okay, so I read the story.

00:33:46.200 I didn't see.

00:33:46.920 I've stopped watching television.

00:33:49.160 But I read the story when I got home.

00:33:53.100 And I thought, pee-pee tapes?

00:33:55.960 First of all, if you know anything about Donald Trump, you know that he's a germaphobe.

00:34:02.000 So there is no way, there's no way he wants anybody's, there's no way he wants his pee-pee in him or around him. 0.91

00:34:09.520 Okay, let alone anybody else's.

00:34:11.660 But this is what we're talking about?

00:34:14.280 Seriously, something that any sane individual or any insane reporter who is at least honest about Donald Trump and who he is, chiefly a germaphobe, knows that's not happening.

00:34:34.120 Any journalist who's honest about Russia knows that's from the Russian playbook on how to discredit people.

00:34:42.080 Please, please, and you're talking about this while Russia is talking about World War III.

00:34:49.860 And one quick thing on the Comey book.

00:34:51.760 There are two ways that books leak early.

00:34:55.260 Okay, one, the publisher says, let's take this excerpt, this excerpt, this excerpt, this most salacious stuff and leak it out there so that the people, the media will jump all over it and will promote the book.

00:35:06.540 The other is the entire book gets out to multiple people.

00:35:09.760 They go through the whole thing and they start picking the most salacious.

00:35:12.680 There's a big distinction there.

00:35:14.760 If this is the media getting a hold of this book and telling you the best stuff from inside of it, there's nothing in this book.

00:35:23.660 Nothing.

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00:36:37.760 Bill O'Reilly is coming up in just a second.

00:36:39.500 So this Comey thing with the tapes, they're making a big deal about how he went to James Comey and asked him,

00:36:44.540 Hey, you know, I'm really worried my wife believes this.

00:36:48.380 I want you to investigate it and show that it's not true.

00:36:52.000 And they're making this out to be this big controversy.

00:36:53.660 Now, whether that's appropriate for him to do to the FBI director is one thing.

00:36:56.480 But the other thing is, if he actually had done it, he wouldn't assign a person he's completely uncomfortable with, James Comey, to investigate whether it's true or not.

00:37:06.940 Stop thinking it's true.

00:37:08.580 Stop it.

00:37:09.540 This absolves him largely.

00:37:11.620 Stop using logic and reason.

00:37:13.980 That's not what we do in the media now.

00:37:16.440 Stop it.

00:37:17.040 Come up with some distorted headline that everybody can just click on that has nothing to do with what you just said.

00:37:25.000 Bill O'Reilly's next.

00:37:29.000 Glenn Beck.

00:37:30.900 Mercury.

00:37:37.400 Love.

00:37:38.680 Courage.

00:37:40.380 Truth.

00:37:42.080 Glenn Beck.

00:37:43.620 The patriarchy has strikes again.

00:37:47.960 It is.

00:37:48.460 It has striked again.

00:37:50.580 And I don't know what to do.

00:37:53.420 Washington State University has canceled its fat studies class.

00:37:59.060 Fat studies.

00:38:00.260 I can't study fatness anymore at Washington State University.

00:38:05.680 The fat activists all over the country are furious now.

00:38:09.060 The moment they finish their second plate of refried tofu, they're going to waddle out into the street and scream at the sky.

00:38:16.700 Why?

00:38:18.120 Why?

00:38:21.020 Throughout the country, campus feminists are quivering, terrified that fat shaming will only get worse now. 1.00

00:38:29.520 So let's talk about the fat that fat studies class exists. 0.93

00:38:34.760 Now, I want you to know I speak to you as lord of the fat people.

00:38:41.680 I speak to you from my chair in my studio that smells, well, it smells like donuts with just a hint of Cinnabon.

00:38:53.640 And this is the room that I usually sit in after the show in my underpants and eat Oreo cookies by the sleeve.

00:39:00.940 So I speak to you as an expert.

00:39:05.740 So let's talk about fat studies.

00:39:07.680 First of all, take a guess which program the class is under.

00:39:11.080 If you said women's studies, you win a Diet Coke and a cheeseburger. 0.99

00:39:16.200 The course is a, quote, examination of weight based oppression as a social justice issue with other systems of oppression based on gender, race, class, age, sexual orientation and ability.

00:39:31.540 The Antifa mask and the Drumpf T-shirt is not included.

00:39:35.560 Our country is now in the throes of an obesity epidemic and academics are concerned about fat inclusive bikinis. 1.00

00:39:46.900 And I am not kidding you, the anti-male gaze.

00:39:52.960 The anti-male gaze.

00:39:55.760 Yes, that's right.

00:39:58.320 The fat studies folks have flipped the feminist concept of the male gaze, which claims that the patriarchy is triggered by white cisgender men whose oppressive gaze vilifies women, worsens misogyny. 0.58

00:40:14.860 In a gasping contradiction and inadvertent counterexample of the original theory, fat shaming and fat study feminists claim that any time white cisgender men don't find overweight women attractive and are practicing the anti-gays, it's because they're misogynistic. 1.00

00:40:40.760 So wait, so wait, I need to.

00:40:43.360 Okay, hold on.

00:40:45.740 I need somebody from the campus to answer which one is it?

00:40:51.880 I am a misogynist if I gaze or I'm a misogynist if I don't gaze.

00:40:57.300 Now, I don't expect an answer because, you know, they're all too busy fighting for the rights of oppressed communities, often without invitation.

00:41:04.920 I mean, I'm fat.

00:41:05.880 I never asked them to fight for me.

00:41:08.340 Oh, is it because I'm a male and I'm white, so I don't count?

00:41:11.340 Now, tuition at Washington State runs about $5,000 per class.

00:41:17.940 That's a waste of money you're never going to get back.

00:41:20.820 This course is run by Dr. Deborah Cristal, who has applied her Ph.D. in sports psychology, women's study, and apparel design to help students understand fat stigma, weight bias, and thin privilege.

00:41:40.000 Also, of course, the weight-based oppression. 0.88

00:41:46.060 Now, her writings have been featured, and I'm not sure if this has been peer-reviewed, but her writings often appear in the journal Fat Studies.

00:41:54.440 I get that all the time.

00:41:57.000 I tried to cancel my subscription, but they make it so hard to stop getting that monthly magazine Fat Studies.

00:42:08.560 So, I don't know what to do.

00:42:09.740 Anyway, she uses critical feminist theory and narrative pedagogies to fight fat stigma by promoting activism to erode the thin-centric orientation among students. 0.99

00:42:30.780 What the hell are you talking about?

00:42:32.300 First of all, the word critical is academic lingo for neo-Marxist.

00:42:38.100 Anytime you hear a professor or academic rattle on about critical theory, they're talking about Marx.

00:42:45.080 They're basing what they say now on the principles of the Frankfurt School, also known as neo-Marxism.

00:42:51.200 And narrative pedagogies, it's academic code for a form of teaching based on relativism, in which students and teachers use their subjective experiences to learn.

00:43:04.980 Because any idea can be interpreted in an infinite number of ways.

00:43:09.440 Because there is no meaning, there is no truth, there is no objective reality.

00:43:15.940 Post-modernism, meaning the fat studies movement, like much of the campus anti-logic modern feminism and social justice leftism,

00:43:28.180 is based on the objective statement that there are no objective statements.

00:43:33.740 Wait, what?

00:43:34.880 And since feelings are facts, concepts like fatphobia, microaggression, cisgender white privilege are all considered not just legitimate, but indisputably true, even though there is no actual truth.

00:43:54.220 So it's the food's fault.

00:43:56.600 No, no, it's not the food's fault.

00:43:58.360 It's the patriarchy's fault.

00:43:59.840 It's the patriarchy that forced me to eat that second tub of cinnamon-laced cupcake batter.

00:44:12.600 And I know who the leader of this troop is.

00:44:16.140 Yes.

00:44:17.560 It's Friday, April 13th.

00:44:19.540 You want to talk...

00:44:20.220 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:44:21.840 You want to talk about cisgender bias?

00:44:24.360 This Bill O'Reilly comes to mind, forcing me to eat sleeve after sleeve of Oreo cookies.

00:44:32.480 What's cisgender, Beck?

00:44:34.000 What is that?

00:44:35.880 It's just like you not to know, Bill.

00:44:38.180 Just like you not to know.

00:44:39.940 What is it?

00:44:41.120 I don't...

00:44:41.880 I have no idea.

00:44:42.980 I have no idea.

00:44:44.660 I think cisgender...

00:44:45.520 I mean, gender is male-female. 0.88

00:44:47.440 I got that.

00:44:47.900 Cisgender is what we traditionally thought of as gender back in the days when we were ill-informed and non-evolved.

00:44:56.420 So when you say male and female, male and female doesn't really exist anymore.

00:45:01.280 It's cisgender.

00:45:02.940 You're a close-minded bigot.

00:45:05.060 Oh.

00:45:05.860 It's old school, Bill.

00:45:06.580 You're a corpulent... 0.69

00:45:08.640 Corpulent?

00:45:09.100 I don't know what else to call you.

00:45:11.980 I think that was a fancy word for fat.

00:45:14.360 I think that's what word of the day.

00:45:15.740 Bill O'Reilly just called me fat.

00:45:18.680 Look, on Bill O'Reilly.com, we have a special section for people who overeat.

00:45:24.620 And we applaud them.

00:45:26.600 Yes.

00:45:27.320 Yeah, we encourage that you fulfill your basic desires.

00:45:32.560 Mm-hmm.

00:45:33.060 And if you're Zoftig, we like you just the same. 0.97

00:45:37.880 Wow.

00:45:38.440 Bill O'Reilly.com is cisgendered.

00:45:40.940 Whatever that is, we are.

00:45:42.460 Yeah.

00:45:42.920 And we want people to go there.

00:45:44.700 I think that's bad.

00:45:45.600 And snack.

00:45:46.280 I think that's bad.

00:45:46.900 Isn't that bad, Stu, being cisgender bad? 1.00

00:45:49.480 I think no.

00:45:50.100 It's just the new word for the traditional understanding of gender.

00:45:55.060 Okay.

00:45:55.400 Well, I don't think you understand.

00:45:57.280 Okay?

00:45:57.520 I know.

00:45:57.760 Because there is no objective truth.

00:46:00.760 Okay.

00:46:01.100 I'm sorry.

00:46:01.260 So, Bill O'Reilly, lots to talk to you about.

00:46:04.360 First, can we start with important news?

00:46:07.160 And then we'll go to the big news.

00:46:08.480 But important news.

00:46:09.600 What the hell is happening with Syria?

00:46:11.100 Well, I think that there is a fear on the part of the Trump administration that if the United

00:46:26.180 States launches launches military action, which would have to be bombings, missiles, that kind of thing, no ground action, that the stock market will tank, it'll interrupt the economy, it'll cause unintended consequences, Putin will do something rotten, Iran will too.

00:46:47.220 So, it'll throw off, you know, all the things that Trump wants to accomplish.

00:46:52.860 That's what's holding them back, the unintended consequences.

00:46:55.700 Yeah, no, I'm asking you.

00:46:58.220 We're just sending 12 warships over into the area.

00:47:02.900 This will be the biggest buildup since, I think, the Iraq war.

00:47:07.340 We're building a coalition.

00:47:10.080 It makes me a little nervous that there's more than just a couple of missiles being lobbed over, or that we're afraid that Russia may respond as they say they are.

00:47:21.480 Well, the Russian fleet got out of TARDIS.

00:47:25.840 That's their Mediterranean port.

00:47:27.840 The reason that Putin is in Syria is because he made a deal with Assad to have a big air base there and to have a port, TARDIS, T-A-R-T-U-S.

00:47:38.560 You'll remember that St. Paul hung out in TARDIS.

00:47:42.860 Anyway, that's why Putin is in there.

00:47:45.620 He's got his Mediterranean port.

00:47:47.540 But the Soviet warships are out of there.

00:47:50.440 They were ordered to leave.

00:47:52.120 So I think it's a good thing that warships are going.

00:47:54.700 I'd like to see some British and French warships as well.

00:47:58.280 Because if you basically set up a blockade of Syria, you can do them heavy, heavy economic damage without shooting anybody. 0.91

00:48:08.860 So that might be the way to go here.

00:48:10.980 The guy who's calling the shots is Mattis, the defense secretary.

00:48:15.520 It's not Trump calling the shots here.

00:48:17.740 Mattis is really in charge.

00:48:18.780 So you don't believe the rumor that Trump and Bolton are asking for a hard line and the Pentagon with Mattis are pushing back and saying,

00:48:31.540 no, no, no, Mr. President, we don't want to go that far.

00:48:33.220 No, I think Bolton and Mattis are pretty simpatico, word of the day.

00:48:39.260 And Mattis is the lead on this.

00:48:42.220 See, Bolton's not going to go in and start to break the furniture on his second day there, third day there.

00:48:48.280 So I think that's a scenario.

00:48:50.640 And I kind of like the blockade thing.

00:48:54.220 I think that that's a message and that can do a lot of harm to Syria and hurt Assad's power base.

00:49:00.940 OK, as I look up at the as I look up at the the televisions and the monitors, I keep seeing Fox News talking about, you know, pretty much actual news the whole day.

00:49:15.080 And CNN just continues to focus on Comey and the pee pee tapes.

00:49:21.120 You know, I wrote a column and I hope I sent it to you back because I always send my columns to Glenn Beck just for his approval.

00:49:30.520 I never get it, but I said it now.

00:49:33.500 I'm going to I'm going to copy Stu.

00:49:34.980 Maybe I'll get approval from Stu.

00:49:36.140 Yes. Thank you. Smart.

00:49:37.500 But anyway, look, there is no media, honest media in this country anymore.

00:49:43.260 And anything that they can grab to hammer Trump, they will.

00:49:48.300 The real irony on this is that CNN hated Comey when Comey was going after Hillary Clinton.

00:49:55.300 And I had Lanny Davis on Bill O'Reilly dot com two days ago and he broke some news.

00:50:00.520 He said that he talked to the inspector general of the Justice Department about Comey and handed over documents that make Comey look like a complete phony and a complete fraud.

00:50:09.800 This is Lanny Davis saying it.

00:50:11.800 Lanny Davis, of course, a very close friend of the Clintons.

00:50:14.080 So it's very it's instructive to watch now how Comey's the good guy again, because Comey is trying to demean and to besmirch Donald Trump, which which is a horrible situation for a former FBI director who had the highest clearance of security to write a tawdry book smearing.

00:50:33.720 You know, yes, Trump fired him. Yes. We know Comey doesn't like him.

00:50:38.720 But to get down in the gutter, that really reflects poorly on him.

00:50:43.080 I will tell you the the the one thing that I saw that I thought was remarkably slimy.

00:50:48.680 And, you know, what is the name of the book?

00:50:51.620 Like, you know, a higher honor or something like that, I thought was totally dishonorable.

00:50:55.960 He told the story, whether it's true or not, I don't know.

00:50:58.620 But he told the story that General Kelly came to him after Trump fired him and and and said, you know, I can't work for a dishonorable man and I'm going to quit after this.

00:51:08.120 And he had built this up like, you know, General Kelly was the one stabilizing factor and yada, yada, yada.

00:51:15.040 And then he exposes him as coming out and saying that I mean, that any if you that any human being had with James Comey is obviously not going to be kept confidential.

00:51:27.400 But wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:51:29.700 The point of that is, though, is he was trying to make Kelly seem very important as the only adult in the room and the only stabilizing factor.

00:51:39.320 Well, if you cared about your country and if that were true, you wouldn't out the guy you were counting on keeping the president.

00:51:47.320 Sure. He wants to make Kelly squirm because he doesn't like Kelly either.

00:51:51.500 But I thought the worst thing, I'm probably not going to read the book because I don't believe James Comey tells the truth.

00:52:00.460 But I thought the worst thing was talking about Trump's concern for his wife over these unverified allegations in a Russian dossier.

00:52:11.060 Now, if if any man is concerned for his wife's feelings, that's a good thing. 0.98

00:52:17.060 And to turn it around into some kind of tawdry display, as Comey did in his book, really says all you need to know about James Comey, does it not?

00:52:27.500 Yeah. And if he's concerned about his wife and he goes to James Comey, but he did these things, why would you go to a guy that you supposedly don't trust and say, hey, can you verify that I didn't do these things?

00:52:38.280 Yeah, he's going to the FBI saying, listen, if you can give me some information I can pass on to Melania, that would, you know, make her feel a little bit better.

00:52:46.780 Please do so. And totally rational, totally caring, if you want to use that word, request.

00:52:55.360 And then Comey turns it around to try to use it.

00:52:59.740 And, of course, the New York Daily News picks it up, puts it on the front page.

00:53:05.100 I mean, you know, it really this country, America right now, because of the media, has really descended into a place that makes me extremely uncomfortable.

00:53:16.960 More with Bill O'Reilly here in just a second, and we're going to go to the raid on the on the president's personal attorney.

00:53:26.360 That's happened since last we spoke to Bill O'Reilly. We'll get his take on that coming up.

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00:55:11.640 Glenn Beck.

00:55:13.980 I'm going to get into the shakedown of the president's attorney

00:55:19.120 and how that was handled and what it means here in just a second.

00:55:21.800 But, Bill, I've got about two and a half minutes.

00:55:23.940 I want to get your comment on this.

00:55:25.840 I just look up at the screen, and on CNN, the banner, the lower third,

00:55:31.840 says, Comey calls Trump an unethical liar.

00:55:36.680 And CNN says, we go now to Democratic Congressman Denny Heck

00:55:42.800 to get his opinion on this.

00:55:45.360 That's like saying the new Tesla 3 is a crappy car

00:55:49.080 and the company's not going to be around long.

00:55:51.580 We go now to Mike Ditto, a Chevy Volt salesman, for his opinion.

00:55:56.880 For his objective analysis.

00:55:59.240 Right.

00:56:00.240 But it's more of the same.

00:56:01.760 You know, I just can't emphasize enough to your listeners

00:56:07.320 that this is a total collapse of any information flow that's worthy.

00:56:12.980 You know, I wrote this column that I referred to before the break

00:56:17.220 to show you underneath what you see on television

00:56:21.020 and what you read in the newspaper, how it's being designed.

00:56:24.920 This is all by design now.

00:56:27.300 It's not an accident.

00:56:28.580 It's not a mistake.

00:56:29.340 I mean, they take anonymous sources, then somewhat ridiculous,

00:56:34.200 people familiar with the conversation.

00:56:37.220 Right.

00:56:37.640 Yeah.

00:56:37.980 Okay, fine.

00:56:38.920 And then they print it as fact.

00:56:40.980 And then they bring on five people.

00:56:43.260 And let's go to Jeffrey Toobin to discuss the anonymous source thing

00:56:50.280 that we don't even know is true, but we don't really care if it's true.

00:56:54.460 I've never...

00:56:55.000 Because we're going to treat it as true.

00:56:56.320 I will tell you, you know, all the world is but a stage.

00:56:59.460 That phrase has come to mind more than ever.

00:57:02.760 I mean, almost every day I look at television and I think that.

00:57:06.060 I feel like we are in a...

00:57:07.780 We're in a play right now.

00:57:10.060 Well, it's a bad, bad thing.

00:57:12.520 And there are a few voices, I think you're one of them,

00:57:15.120 I certainly am, that don't have an agenda.

00:57:19.600 We just want to bring information to the people.

00:57:22.640 We tell them whether it's speculative or whether it's factual.

00:57:26.980 And then the people can decide for themselves.

00:57:29.120 But this vast manipulation is just crushing the spirit of the country.

00:57:34.720 Okay, so we're going to go into what happened with the president's lawyer.

00:57:40.760 They now are hoping that there are tapes involved.

00:57:45.520 Oh my gosh.

00:57:46.940 We'll go to that next.

00:57:47.840 Glenn Beck, Mercury.

00:57:59.220 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:58:00.880 We go down to Bill O'Reilly and from BillOReilly.com,

00:58:06.560 we want to talk a little bit about Michael Cohen,

00:58:08.380 the personal attorney of the president,

00:58:10.020 who had his home, office, and hotel room raided earlier this week.

00:58:21.140 First of all, Bill, do you know why he had a hotel room?

00:58:24.140 He lives in New York.

00:58:26.820 I do not.

00:58:28.140 Okay.

00:58:29.020 Do you think it's weird that they went to, I mean,

00:58:31.080 like they were trying to find something that he might have been taking from the office

00:58:34.780 or keeping with him?

00:58:37.040 You know, it'd be irresponsible of me to speculate.

00:58:40.980 I just don't know.

00:58:41.940 Okay.

00:58:43.220 They are saying now that one of the things that they're looking for

00:58:47.820 is communications between Cohen and WikiLeaks

00:58:52.780 because the Access Hollywood tape came out,

00:58:57.660 and then right after that, WikiLeaks started to release things about,

00:59:03.800 what's his name?

00:59:06.600 I want to say Lenny Davis, but yeah, Podesta.

00:59:08.580 So, what are your thoughts on that?

00:59:13.420 Well, first of all, you say they're saying.

00:59:16.580 Who's they're saying?

00:59:17.540 Yeah, I understand that.

00:59:19.480 Yeah, leaks.

00:59:20.580 Yes.

00:59:20.980 All right, this is the big story today.

00:59:24.500 So, the FBI raids Cohen's office,

00:59:26.660 and then all of a sudden the Washington Post is printing what the FBI found

00:59:31.340 and all that.

00:59:32.880 So, somebody from the FBI or the Justice Department,

00:59:36.960 Rod Rosenstein's office, or Mueller's office,

00:59:40.660 had to leak it to the Washington Post.

00:59:42.520 Yeah.

00:59:42.800 They had to.

00:59:44.220 That's number one.

00:59:45.260 This is one of the points that you,

00:59:46.660 and you should make this point,

00:59:48.380 one of the points in your op-ed is about,

00:59:50.460 you know, when this happened to Bill Clinton,

00:59:52.700 Ken Starr was not leaking, that we know of.

00:59:56.020 Right.

00:59:56.940 This is a torrent of this,

00:59:59.580 and nobody's trying to stop it as far as I know.

01:00:02.320 So, you want to leak to the Washington Post?

01:00:03.860 Go ahead.

01:00:04.560 We're not going to give you a lie detector test.

01:00:06.240 We're not going to start to prosecute people who are doing this,

01:00:09.820 because it's illegal.

01:00:11.220 If an FBI agent raids anybody's office,

01:00:14.680 and then calls the Washington Post and tells them what they found,

01:00:17.600 that's a felony.

01:00:19.520 Okay?

01:00:20.080 So, but it's accepted.

01:00:22.440 Who's talking about that?

01:00:23.760 Nobody.

01:00:24.620 It's all the Washington Post reports.

01:00:26.660 And the Washington Post doesn't know if it's true.

01:00:28.860 They don't know, but they don't care.

01:00:30.820 But hang on, hang on a second.

01:00:32.500 Let me just play devil's advocate here.

01:00:34.100 I tend to agree with you, but let me play devil's advocate.

01:00:37.820 Is it possible that, A, these leaks would have happened or could have happened under Clinton,

01:00:44.680 but it's a different world in the media because of Internet 24 hours?

01:00:48.580 I say that in my article.

01:00:49.000 I say that maybe the leaks did, it's possible, but they could have leaked to anti-Clinton people like Rush Limbaugh.

01:00:57.340 I mean, they could have leaked to, there are a lot of, you know, the Washington Times.

01:01:01.280 There are a lot of anti-Clinton people that they could have leaked, but no leaks came out.

01:01:04.800 But now, you know, within two hours after anything happens involving, involving Donald Trump,

01:01:12.340 Washington Post, New York Times, or CNN gets it.

01:01:15.020 Okay.

01:01:15.580 Now, back to Cohen.

01:01:17.360 So, you raid the office and you have to have presented to a judge to get the warrant for the raid some kind of possible felony.

01:01:28.840 All right.

01:01:30.320 So, we have evidence that a felony was committed.

01:01:32.580 Here it is, judge.

01:01:34.260 Here it is.

01:01:35.740 The judge looks at it.

01:01:37.200 It's coming from the FBI.

01:01:39.980 So, okay, I'm signing the warrant.

01:01:43.020 Go in and go look for backup on what you think happened.

01:01:46.780 So, they go.

01:01:48.300 And then they seize all kinds of records.

01:01:51.280 They don't, it's not a warrant that is specific.

01:01:55.600 We're just looking for this, Mr. Cohen.

01:01:57.360 Do you have it, you know, please tell us where it is.

01:02:00.060 No.

01:02:00.660 They get everything.

01:02:01.940 So, there's like 10,000 potential violations of attorney-client privilege.

01:02:08.020 Not just with Donald Trump, but Cohen's got other people he works for as well.

01:02:12.980 Wait a minute.

01:02:14.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:02:16.000 I'm not going to let you skate on that one.

01:02:18.580 This is not a violation of attorney-client privilege with a clean and dirty FBI team.

01:02:25.240 This is the way it is set up.

01:02:27.500 This is not usually done, but can be done.

01:02:31.580 It's certainly not ever done with the president at something this high level.

01:02:35.220 So, they better have something.

01:02:36.880 The only question is, do you trust the clean team to stay away from the dirty team?

01:02:42.600 No, you can't do that, Beck.

01:02:44.440 But that's the way it's done, Bill.

01:02:45.740 Because they've already leaked stuff about the raid.

01:02:48.480 Somebody involved with the raid leaked it.

01:02:51.980 Yeah, but they did not leak what they have found.

01:02:54.960 They have not leaked what they found.

01:02:56.380 They leaked.

01:02:56.760 They leaked.

01:02:58.200 This is what we were looking for.

01:03:00.220 Yes.

01:03:00.640 And that's the dirty team.

01:03:02.640 Right.

01:03:03.120 Right.

01:03:03.300 If they're going to leak that, then you have a massive, massive potential.

01:03:09.980 And I did use the word potential.

01:03:11.720 Yes, I agree.

01:03:12.720 Violation of attorney-client privilege.

01:03:14.720 Yes.

01:03:15.120 But you know what I'm going to submit to you?

01:03:16.780 I'm going to submit to you today on the Glenn Beck program, on Friday the 13th, that there

01:03:22.600 is no attorney-client privilege in this country anymore, as there is no contractual law, contract

01:03:29.080 law, forget it.

01:03:31.140 Forget it.

01:03:31.920 You sign a contract, and it says X, and if somebody violates X, the system says, we don't

01:03:39.120 care.

01:03:40.260 We don't care.

01:03:42.060 There's no contract law.

01:03:43.440 There's no attorney-client privilege.

01:03:44.860 There isn't anything.

01:03:47.040 There's no privacy on Facebook.

01:03:49.560 There's nothing.

01:03:51.360 Somebody wants to stand outside your house with some kind of gizmo that can record your

01:03:55.520 conversation inside your house, who's going to do something about it?

01:03:59.460 Nobody.

01:04:01.160 So the American people ought to know that all the rights they thought they had, talking

01:04:06.180 to an attorney, signing a valid contract, they're gone.

01:04:10.260 Hey, wait, wait.

01:04:11.080 I'm not going to let you.

01:04:11.980 Bill, I am with you on 99% of that, that our rights are gone.

01:04:17.640 There is no such thing as privacy.

01:04:19.700 However, attorney-client privilege does stand.

01:04:24.200 This is when if I am the client that is accused, everything that I say about my case to my attorney

01:04:33.200 and everything my attorney says back to me is protected.

01:04:38.240 However, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

01:04:41.820 I'm going to guarantee you that what you're saying is false because there are going to be

01:04:46.740 leaks about what Trump discussed with his attorney.

01:04:50.760 Those leaks will come out before any charges, before anything.

01:04:55.980 Then that is different than saying that this is a violation of attorney-client privilege.

01:05:02.380 This is the way the system is built.

01:05:05.260 If I am colluding in another crime or if my attorney is committing a crime, that is when

01:05:12.940 we're talking about, hang on, Bill, hang on, when we're talking about that thing, it is

01:05:18.800 not privileged.

01:05:19.940 And that's why there are two teams, one that is investigating one crime and another team

01:05:25.980 that is working basically for the court that goes in and says, you have to find these things,

01:05:31.940 everything else that is not regarding these things, you cannot touch and you cannot reveal.

01:05:37.780 And you believe, no, I don't, no, I don't, but I'm saying that's what they did with Cohen.

01:05:44.540 I am saying that when you, when someone makes the blanket statement that this was destroying

01:05:51.180 attorney-client privilege, no, this is the system that we have always had.

01:05:56.940 This is not making law up.

01:06:00.520 You're going to see that I'm absolutely right.

01:06:03.280 And when it comes out, I'm going to demand airtime on your program.

01:06:07.560 No, because you're not listening to me.

01:06:08.900 You're not listening to me.

01:06:09.700 I sure am.

01:06:09.900 No, you're not.

01:06:10.320 You're talking theoretical.

01:06:11.920 I am.

01:06:12.420 No, I am talking about the law.

01:06:15.100 You're the one speculating here, right, Bill?

01:06:16.680 You're the one saying that this is going to happen in the future.

01:06:18.720 Hang on just a second.

01:06:19.660 I'm talking about the law.

01:06:21.600 And then I'm saying to you, I agree with you that I don't trust the people involved.

01:06:27.200 But that's different than saying there is no attorney-client privilege under the law.

01:06:33.540 There is.

01:06:34.360 We just don't have.

01:06:35.600 I don't know how I can't get through to you and Stu, okay?

01:06:38.600 The law is there in the wording of the law is still there.

01:06:43.920 Same thing with contracts, Beck.

01:06:46.340 It's there.

01:06:47.440 But if it isn't enforced, if things don't happen to people who violate the law.

01:06:54.320 I agree.

01:06:54.760 Then it doesn't mean anything.

01:06:57.060 But so far, I know you don't like to speculate.

01:06:59.600 I know you don't like to speculate.

01:07:02.120 You like to deal on facts.

01:07:03.580 So far, they have not violated the attorney-client privilege.

01:07:09.420 They have not.

01:07:10.000 Okay, but it's only been three days.

01:07:12.040 But I know Bill O'Reilly does not like to speculate.

01:07:15.480 Boy, I'm going to play that tape back over and over again.

01:07:18.740 But I know you don't like to speculate.

01:07:21.000 All right.

01:07:21.640 So.

01:07:22.120 I can't.

01:07:23.140 I can't accuse.

01:07:25.300 I can say.

01:07:27.020 You can speculate.

01:07:28.460 Potential.

01:07:29.060 As I have said 14 times already.

01:07:31.200 I know.

01:07:32.060 You're speculating.

01:07:34.080 Potential will be fulfilled.

01:07:35.740 All right.

01:07:35.980 Bill, can I ask your journalistic expertise on these leaking here, on the leaking issue

01:07:40.700 for a minute?

01:07:41.240 Listen to this.

01:07:41.860 This is from the Washington Post this week.

01:07:43.380 It's about a portrait of Trump in the current moment.

01:07:46.000 It comes from interviews with 21 people, and then they break down the types of people

01:07:50.500 that they've interviewed.

01:07:51.740 Now, they're using the number 21 to gather credibility.

01:07:56.380 They talk to 21 people.

01:07:57.660 It must be true.

01:07:58.280 They're trying to convince their readers that they're not a bunch of charlatans.

01:08:02.240 Right.

01:08:02.360 And what I'm saying is, look, if the Washington Post had a stellar record of being fair, not

01:08:11.660 only to Donald Trump, but to conservatives, to traditional Americans, to the Republican

01:08:17.020 Party, if their record was fair, then I would believe them.

01:08:22.600 But it's not, Stu.

01:08:24.740 No.

01:08:26.040 It's not.

01:08:27.100 I would tend to agree with that.

01:08:28.080 They hate.

01:08:29.320 They hate anyone who is not of liberal orthodoxy.

01:08:36.160 They despise them.

01:08:38.480 So that, therefore, they can say, we talked to 87,000 people.

01:08:43.580 And I'm going, I don't care, because the outcome, it was already told to the reporter

01:08:52.220 before he talked to one person.

01:08:54.620 This is the outcome we want.

01:08:57.700 All right?

01:08:58.520 We want Trump out of office.

01:09:00.820 That has been made very clear by the publications, New York Times.

01:09:07.040 Hang on just a second.

01:09:08.220 Go ahead.

01:09:08.760 Hang on just a second.

01:09:09.580 No, I just want to be very specific, because I do not believe those conversations were had.

01:09:15.820 I believe those conversations don't need to be had.

01:09:18.740 Listen to me.

01:09:19.460 Listen to me.

01:09:20.320 I believe those conversations don't need to be had, because it's groupthink.

01:09:24.940 They all think the same way.

01:09:27.600 Yes.

01:09:28.020 So there's no planning.

01:09:29.300 There's no conspiracy.

01:09:30.220 I find it very hard to believe that a reporter would say, I talked to 21 people who told

01:09:36.880 me, you know, and then the person didn't talk to any 21 people.

01:09:42.580 But it doesn't matter, because they might have talked to people for three minutes.

01:09:47.340 Hey, hey, did you hear this?

01:09:49.140 Oh, yeah, I heard it.

01:09:49.840 Bye.

01:09:50.420 And that's what I'm getting at here.

01:09:51.840 The outcome of the article, this is what everybody has to understand.

01:09:57.080 When these reporters are assigned something, all right, it's not just Trump, all right,

01:10:03.080 it is made quite clear to them what the editors want, what they want.

01:10:11.440 This is what we want you to find out.

01:10:14.220 Bang.

01:10:14.740 And those reporters are going to do that, because if they don't, they're not going to

01:10:19.840 get the good assignments.

01:10:21.500 I could give you names.

01:10:22.700 I know this.

01:10:24.120 I've seen it, all right?

01:10:26.380 And it absolutely happens.

01:10:29.560 But now it's an epidemic, because all of them want Trump out of office.

01:10:35.800 Right.

01:10:36.500 I agree with you.

01:10:37.600 We just had Ben Smith on yesterday.

01:10:40.220 We just had Ben Smith.

01:10:41.040 Why aren't there any leaks that say Trump does something good?

01:10:44.740 There hasn't been one leak that says, hey, he did something good.

01:10:50.360 One?

01:10:51.200 Just one.

01:10:52.060 It's worth one.

01:10:55.180 What I'm trying to get at here with this, though, Bill, is it's source inflation.

01:10:59.440 Like, they're using that number.

01:11:00.820 Listen to what comes after it.

01:11:02.080 Quickly.

01:11:02.640 Interviews with 21 administration officials, which would be notable if they had 21 administration

01:11:06.200 officials, but that's not where it stops.

01:11:07.900 21 administration officials, comma, outside advisors.

01:11:11.140 What the hell is that?

01:11:12.740 Comma.

01:11:13.900 Lawmakers.

01:11:14.620 Chuck Schumer is a lawmaker.

01:11:16.620 They interviewed Chuck Schumer about this?

01:11:18.360 Outside advisors and staff of CNN.

01:11:20.120 Right.

01:11:20.660 It's all a ruse.

01:11:22.360 You know that.

01:11:23.220 All right.

01:11:23.660 Bill O'Reilly.

01:11:24.460 Bill O'Reilly.

01:11:24.760 Bill O'Reilly.com.

01:11:26.460 Right.

01:11:26.980 Yeah.

01:11:27.860 You got to go there this weekend.

01:11:29.120 We got lots of great stuff back.

01:11:31.300 So I want you yourself to go.

01:11:33.380 What are you doing this weekend anyway?

01:11:34.700 You doing anything fun?

01:11:35.280 I'm just spending my time at BillO'Reilly.com.

01:11:37.700 That's what I'm doing.

01:11:38.720 You're eating.

01:11:39.280 Yeah.

01:11:39.400 And you can eat donuts while you do that.

01:11:40.520 I can eat donuts in my underpants.

01:11:42.380 Simultaneously.

01:11:42.980 Wow.

01:11:43.380 Sounds like a fabulous weekend, Bill O'Reilly.

01:11:46.920 Thank you so much.

01:11:47.900 All right.

01:11:48.180 Thanks for having me in, guys.

01:11:49.020 God bless.

01:11:49.560 BillO'Reilly.com.

01:11:51.260 I think.

01:11:52.140 You know what?

01:11:52.740 I just.

01:11:53.200 I feel like we're saying similar things.

01:11:55.140 Yeah.

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01:13:26.400 Glenn Beck, man, I can't tell you how excited I am for this interview.

01:13:35.880 Mary Jo Kopechny's family in their first national interview, at least that I know of talking about Mary Jo, how she died.

01:13:50.520 Ted Kennedy and the new movie Chappaquiddick, it's going to be interesting to hear from them in a story that has been buried for so long.

01:14:03.420 And the New York Times is now saying, oh, it's totally unfair, totally unfair.

01:14:08.900 They didn't accuse him of killing her, just leaving her.

01:14:14.700 They didn't accuse him of having an affair.

01:14:17.200 He didn't accuse him of anything.

01:14:19.880 They just showed the basic, the most basic facts.

01:14:24.780 It's still very damning.

01:14:26.620 Bad for Ted, because he was bad.

01:14:28.620 Yeah, he's a bad guy.

01:14:29.700 But they didn't they did not push that storyline at all.

01:14:33.100 And they say that it's unfair.

01:14:36.280 Wow.

01:14:36.880 We'll we'll hear from Mary Jo Kopechny's family.

01:14:41.200 I can't wait.

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01:14:44.060 It's next.

01:14:50.960 Glenn Beck.

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01:15:05.700 So imagine, imagine being the family of Mary Jo Kopechny.

01:15:13.160 So many people in America don't even know that name now, shockingly, because it had been buried for a very long time because of a very powerful family.

01:15:23.480 But Mary Jo Kopechny, 28 year old campaign worker, speechwriter for Bobby Kennedy. 1.00

01:15:27.860 She was the one that died at Chappaquiddick.

01:15:35.180 If you don't know the story of Chappaquiddick, there's a new movie out that you need to see.

01:15:42.680 But the story is shockingly told for, I think, the first time.

01:15:48.740 And it's told in a very fair, I think, and charitable way.

01:15:53.200 But you see this woman clinging to life, trapped in a car that has been driven off a bridge by Ted Kennedy, where she survives for three hours gasping for air.

01:16:05.760 She's been relegated to a footnote status.

01:16:10.880 What's really sad is Mary Jo Kopechny isn't a person.

01:16:16.900 She's a thing that happened to Ted Kennedy that happened to him or happened in his life.

01:16:23.700 She's a person.

01:16:24.940 And the family is speaking out now.

01:16:30.460 I believe this is their first national interview to talk about Chappaquiddick and Mary Jo Kopechny.

01:16:37.600 With us is Georgetta Nelson-Petosky.

01:16:39.700 She's Mary Jo Kopechny's first cousin.

01:16:41.980 And Bill Nelson, who's Mary Jo Kopechny's first cousin's son.

01:16:45.320 They are the co-authors of the book, Our Mary Jo.

01:16:48.740 Georgetta, Bill, how are you?

01:16:51.900 Wow.

01:16:52.380 I'm well.

01:16:52.880 How are you, Mr. Beck?

01:16:53.800 This is really a pleasure.

01:16:55.360 I've been a fan for a long time, Glenn.

01:16:57.520 It's a wonderful experience to talk with you.

01:17:00.060 Wow.

01:17:00.500 Thank you very much.

01:17:02.360 It's weird for me to talk to you guys because you are such a part of history.

01:17:09.820 You were there, and nobody sees Mary Jo as Mary Jo.

01:17:16.120 She's an event.

01:17:18.280 Yes.

01:17:19.000 Yes.

01:17:19.360 She's kind of a footnote in history.

01:17:21.540 She was just the girl who died in the car.

01:17:23.800 And broke our hearts to lose her.

01:17:26.400 It was really sad and hard to deal with.

01:17:29.480 Is my son on?

01:17:30.740 Are you on, Bill?

01:17:31.520 Yes.

01:17:32.160 I'm here, Mom.

01:17:32.920 How are you?

01:17:34.000 You may not be able to hear him.

01:17:36.260 Bill, do you remember any of this incident?

01:17:41.760 I was born in 1972, so I didn't have the pleasure of meeting Aunt Mary Jo, no.

01:17:49.120 Okay.

01:17:50.600 Go ahead.

01:17:52.120 But over the time and growing up with my mother, of course, and knowing about Chappaquiddick,

01:17:56.880 I went and searched for information all the time, and I could never find anything about Mary Jo.

01:18:01.100 And that's really why we started to dig through all of the pictures and the letters and the stories and the memories from her friends.

01:18:07.920 And we wanted to put together a book for the family.

01:18:10.180 So that's how it all got started because I didn't know who Mary Jo was, as did the rest of the world.

01:18:14.920 No one really knew who this woman was except that she was a boiler room girl. 0.98

01:18:18.420 I have to tell you, I would love to have you guys in studio and, Georgetta, bring the pictures, and I'd really love to tell her story because I think this is fascinating.

01:18:30.920 My daughter sat with me.

01:18:33.760 She's 30 years old, and my two nieces and nephews, and we watched Chappaquiddick.

01:18:41.920 And I watched almost in horror that they knew nothing about it.

01:18:48.040 They knew nothing about her.

01:18:49.560 They had never heard.

01:18:51.740 After the car went over, my daughter looked at me and said, please tell me he wasn't a senator after this.

01:19:00.400 And I said, oh, no, honey, watch.

01:19:02.740 How bizarre is this for something so huge to be buried for so long?

01:19:09.840 And then now there's a major motion picture out about it.

01:19:13.580 Well, I'm very happy with the picture, and we were privileged to have a private screening, and we had our family and closest friends there.

01:19:22.900 And my young niece cried.

01:19:26.860 Go ahead, Bill.

01:19:28.640 At the end of it.

01:19:29.900 We had about 40 people, friends and family, and they reacted in horror after the movie was over because you're right, Glenn.

01:19:38.520 They don't know.

01:19:39.520 The new generation coming up don't know.

01:19:41.640 And I'm shocked that it took almost 40 years or almost 50 years to make a movie about this story.

01:19:47.780 And I think it was suppressed so many times over the years and not allowed to be made.

01:19:53.060 I'm very proud of the courage that the filmmakers and the producers have in making this film.

01:19:58.660 And like you said, they did it in a very fair and balanced way because they used the inquest testimony from what everybody out on that island that night said happened.

01:20:07.840 So you can't really dispute it.

01:20:10.220 If that's the official record of what they said happened, you can't have faults with it then and say, well, we don't know the truth.

01:20:17.980 Well, neither do we.

01:20:19.060 So, you know, imagine how frustrating that is for her parents, Gwen and Joe.

01:20:23.440 Georgetta, when we in the movie, we see we see Mary Jo's parents, your your parents.

01:20:32.980 My my our mothers were sisters.

01:20:35.660 So that was my aunt.

01:20:37.080 OK, so your aunt, your aunt, your uncle sitting there was was did they find it strange that that Ted Kennedy, you know, sent somebody there?

01:20:49.060 And was, you know, screening everything and kind of taking control of their situation?

01:20:53.300 Or did they find that a comfort at the time?

01:20:56.180 Well, at the very beginning, Gwen said she thought that they were sent to help them.

01:21:00.820 But then they soon realized that they were screening everyone who was calling the house or coming to the house.

01:21:06.660 And there were close friends of Gwen and Joe's that they would have liked to have seen because they could have given them real comfort.

01:21:13.280 Our family was kind of scattered.

01:21:15.120 I was living with the family, my family in Rhode Island.

01:21:19.000 And the bulk of our family is in Pennsylvania.

01:21:22.360 Gwen and Joe were in New Jersey.

01:21:23.580 So it took a few days to get everyone together so that we could comfort them.

01:21:29.020 But she thought at first they were helping and then later thought, maybe not.

01:21:34.980 Maybe they were just screening who was going to say, well, ask him this or ask him that.

01:21:40.340 Or but Gwen and Joe were destroyed.

01:21:42.300 They were absolutely destroyed when their only daughter died.

01:21:45.680 Uncle Joe said they wanted more children.

01:21:49.520 But he said, if we could only have one, God sent us the best.

01:21:54.300 She was she seemed remarkable.

01:21:56.320 I loved the way they portrayed her in this.

01:21:59.140 They didn't get into anything salacious like an affair.

01:22:04.040 I had always heard that they they were having an affair.

01:22:07.500 Were they or not?

01:22:09.640 No, she didn't particularly like it.

01:22:12.680 I don't think anybody really did.

01:22:14.480 Well, they were all very young.

01:22:16.640 He was in his 30s.

01:22:17.560 She was 28.

01:22:18.380 But she idealized Bobby.

01:22:22.320 And that was the only thing that brought her out of the South.

01:22:24.900 She was down South during the civil rights days. 0.60

01:22:26.980 And we were very worried about her teaching school in Alabama.

01:22:30.400 But when she had the opportunity to work in Washington with the people who were making the rules,

01:22:36.100 making the laws and and making things better for everyone and equal rights,

01:22:41.580 she came right up to Washington.

01:22:43.220 Yeah, she was a speechwriter for for Bobby, right?

01:22:46.560 She helped him write his speech announcing he was going to run for president.

01:22:52.300 Yes.

01:22:52.840 Wow.

01:22:53.460 Yeah, she was smart.

01:22:54.760 Well, she was one of the older boiler room girls, too, though. 0.88

01:22:57.880 Can you explain what a boiler room girl is? 1.00

01:23:00.760 They were a group of women, all very intelligent, all very well educated, all committed to helping Bobby with the campaign and all the good works that he was doing.

01:23:12.060 And they happened to work in this one room.

01:23:13.940 I think it was windowless.

01:23:15.100 But it was not wasn't in the basement with the boilers.

01:23:18.720 No.

01:23:20.040 Can you guys tell me?

01:23:23.640 Because the one thing we all walked out of this movie saying is, how did she not get out?

01:23:30.240 And he did.

01:23:31.580 Is there any?

01:23:32.540 Oh, my God.

01:23:33.420 Is there any thoughts on this?

01:23:35.700 I wish I knew that.

01:23:37.400 Mary Jo was a wonderful swimmer. 1.00

01:23:39.200 And if she had her face, couldn't have been more than a foot from air, even though she was inside the car trying to breathe the air that was in there.

01:23:49.240 Why didn't she get out?

01:23:51.460 If you want my opinion.

01:23:53.580 Go ahead.

01:23:54.460 If you want my opinion on it, when they did the inquest, there was blood that went down the back of her blouse, probably to the small of her back.

01:24:02.360 They dismissed it as some sort of nonsense as foam from her mouth. 0.90

01:24:06.520 But I always wondered that why didn't she get out of the car?

01:24:09.940 And I personally think that she was injured inside that car.

01:24:13.280 And she may not have been all the way conscious either.

01:24:16.200 I think instinctually, when John Farrar pulled her out of the car, instinctually, she had found an air pocket up by what would be the foot hole because the car was upside down.

01:24:26.500 So it would be where you would put your feet.

01:24:29.600 That's that's a question that's puzzled us for years.

01:24:31.840 And we don't we don't have a lot of answers about Chappaquiddick.

01:24:35.200 But what we've done is we'll give you who Mary Jo was so we can tell you what probably didn't happen.

01:24:40.540 For instance, this rumor about her being in an affair with Ted Kennedy.

01:24:44.800 There's a good chance that that never happened because of who Mary Jo was and her upbringing and her Catholic and her values and and things like that.

01:24:52.460 So when you find out what didn't happen, it kind of leads you down the path of what possibly could happen.

01:24:57.380 And I wish more people would do that, that were there or that know things.

01:25:00.760 I wish more people would come forward with whatever little pieces of information that they may have.

01:25:05.720 And at least we know our fact.

01:25:07.560 And then you can work backwards.

01:25:09.260 You think there is more information, more more people that could come forward and tell?

01:25:13.400 I sure do. I sure do, because there were more than Ted Kennedy on that island that night.

01:25:19.820 There was there was multiple people.

01:25:21.580 There's probably eight or nine or 10 more people that are alive today that at least know a little piece of the puzzle.

01:25:28.460 And if you can take that little piece of the puzzle and you can deduce what didn't happen, then you can work backwards and probably come up with a good theory.

01:25:37.120 I could tell you what didn't happen. And that's whatever they said at the inquest, because it doesn't make sense.

01:25:41.160 None of it makes sense. So it's logically not possible.

01:25:44.200 What do you mean? What what didn't make sense?

01:25:48.080 Him diving in the water and swimming across the channel.

01:25:51.080 There have been multiple reports that that's impossible.

01:25:54.800 The side of the car on the passenger side is absolutely crushed from the front fender to the back fender.

01:26:01.380 Well, water doesn't do that. 0.94

01:26:02.900 So going off a bridge and hitting the water does not crush an Oldsmobile, any Oldsmobile 88.

01:26:09.360 They're made of steel, I believe.

01:26:10.620 So so there's a lot of stuff that we don't know or that has been left out of the big picture.

01:26:15.620 What do you think that what do you think that means?

01:26:18.620 What is speculation?

01:26:21.160 Well, there's a lot of different theories out there.

01:26:23.320 There is a theory that there was an accident before the bridge and that Mary Jo was hurt,

01:26:27.980 which would also, you know, go towards the blood on her blouse and her maybe being disorientated, too.

01:26:34.760 There was a theory that he was never in the car when it went off the bridge.

01:26:39.140 There was a theory that there were other people in the car besides Ted Kennedy.

01:26:43.600 There was a couple other maybe a woman or a man or so there's there's a lot of different theories that kind of make more sense than the official version of what happened.

01:26:54.200 Yeah. And that makes if they were as there was an accident, she was hurt.

01:26:58.780 And even if there weren't other people for him to then push it off of a of of a bridge probably would make a little more a little more sense because it doesn't.

01:27:08.840 Go ahead.

01:27:09.500 I think the saddest thing for Gwen and Joe was that no one has ever come to them and said, you know, I saw Mary Jo on the island.

01:27:18.200 She was happy. She was looking forward to a new job.

01:27:21.120 These girls all came together because they had scattered and this was their last chance to see each other.

01:27:26.820 Bobby had died. A few of them, including Mary Jo, had been chosen to clean up the office, send things to the museums, send things home, send things to the office.

01:27:37.500 It was a very tragic task for them because they had loved the senator.

01:27:43.800 And so this was a chance for them to be together.

01:27:47.340 But no one has ever come to Gwen and Joe and said, I saw I saw Mary Jo.

01:27:52.280 She was happy. We were looking forward to this or that.

01:27:55.520 And so they've never had the last few hours of their daughter's life.

01:27:59.760 And I think that's a terrible tragedy.

01:28:01.820 So wait, so none of the none of the boiler girls ever got together with the family. 0.82

01:28:07.100 And no, they were at her funeral.

01:28:10.540 But Gwen and Joe were so sedated, to tell you the truth, that and none of them were ever introduced to any of us.

01:28:20.120 So we never got a chance to talk to them either.

01:28:22.200 And afterward, when it was calmed down and they thought that, well, now the senator will come forward and talk to them.

01:28:30.520 He did call them, ask them to come to Hyannis Port.

01:28:33.280 And they thought, well, now now we'll find out what happened that night.

01:28:38.340 But when they got there, they walked into a cocktail party.

01:28:41.460 He came over and said hello and disappeared.

01:28:44.720 And so they turned around and went home and more or less hibernated the rest of their lives.

01:28:49.660 But he never, as far as I know, never even said, I'm sorry.

01:28:55.200 You know, touching on that, not only did Gwen and Joe lose their only daughter in a highly publicized accident, car wreck, whatever you want to call it.

01:29:05.480 But then they didn't get their daughter's last lives.

01:29:08.440 Then they were abandoned by everybody that was there.

01:29:11.180 And then on top of all of that, you've got to remember that they got all these nasty letters from the public accusing them of hiding things or not getting an autopsy because they wanted to know if she was pregnant or some nonsense.

01:29:24.720 And every anniversary, they go out to the mailbox and they have these nasty letters for pretty much the rest of their life.

01:29:31.380 I can't imagine what they went through.

01:29:33.380 Can you hang on just a second?

01:29:38.400 Because I want to continue our conversation with the family of Mary Jo Kopechny.

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01:31:50.900 Family of Mary Jo Kopechny is on with us.

01:31:54.280 Bill, we lost your mom, but I want to ask you to – could you guys – could we fly you in and bring the letters and the whole story and any speeches that she wrote?

01:32:07.500 I would love to have you guys come in and share that history.

01:32:11.860 Absolutely.

01:32:12.620 I don't – yeah, we would love to.

01:32:14.000 That would be an honor.

01:32:14.640 I'm sure my mom would be very happy about that also.

01:32:16.780 She's – I got to warn you, though.

01:32:17.920 She's the busiest retired woman I know. 0.87

01:32:21.560 So –

01:32:22.360 Yeah, absolutely.

01:32:23.200 So let me just spend the last couple of minutes here asking about your – would it be aunt and uncle or great-aunt and uncle?

01:32:34.460 Mary Jo's –

01:32:36.200 Mary Jo would be my aunt.

01:32:39.120 Okay, so your great-aunt and uncle, right?

01:32:41.700 Yeah.

01:32:41.880 Mary Jo lived this life of being so proud of their daughter, and then their daughter becoming this villain to some and an event to others.

01:32:56.980 What was their life like?

01:32:58.920 We visited Gwen and Jo very often.

01:33:03.900 We would go up and we would visit them.

01:33:05.520 And looking back now – I was younger then.

01:33:07.560 I was in my teenage years when we would visit them, early 20s.

01:33:09.820 But looking back now through different eyes, I saw, like, especially Uncle Jo, he was pleasant, but he was hollow.

01:33:16.900 I caught him one day looking out the window, and I wrote about this in the book.

01:33:20.220 And I didn't realize until years later that he just seemed like he was waiting for somebody, and he was waiting for somebody to come home.

01:33:26.500 And you can tell that he was off in a faraway place.

01:33:28.680 And I'm sure he was thinking about Mary Jo at that time.

01:33:30.980 You know, Mary Jo didn't deserve to go down in history the way that she did. 0.98

01:33:35.380 And that's why we started her scholarship at university, Misericordia University, and why we wrote her book, to set the record straight so that she and her life have an opportunity to do good.

01:33:46.180 And through her scholarship, to do good for education and for people who are, you know, furthering their education.

01:33:51.880 And it's been very well-received.

01:33:53.200 It's been humbling to us that it's been so well-received by everyone.

01:33:57.900 And it's really gratifying.

01:33:59.460 The name of the book is Our Mary Jo.

01:34:02.480 It's available everywhere.

01:34:04.400 And I haven't read it yet, but I hope that it picks the story up before and after the movie Chappaquiddick.

01:34:17.040 Yeah.

01:34:17.580 Yeah.

01:34:17.920 The it's it starts from actually her heritage and where she came from.

01:34:23.080 It continues up past her death into Gwen and Jo's life without her.

01:34:27.560 It's a comprehensive look.

01:34:28.880 And what we did is we took all the letters that we had received from people around the world.

01:34:33.240 Well, Gwen and Jo had received and we had actually inherited them.

01:34:36.500 And we put them in the book to tell Mary Jo's story through the eyes of other people, through her friends, her co-workers, all the.

01:34:43.540 Now, she was great, but not because we say so, but because everyone who knew her said so.

01:34:48.240 So all the people surrounding her had an opportunity to go on and be lawyers and be publicists and have very successful lives.

01:34:54.860 So we'd only assume Mary Jo would also have done that, too.

01:34:57.660 So this is this gives her a second chance.

01:34:59.460 The name of the book is Our Mary Jo.

01:35:01.980 It is Mary Jo Kopechny's story.

01:35:04.460 The name of the movie is Chappaquiddick.

01:35:06.640 You need to see it.

01:35:07.960 It's unbelievable.

01:35:09.340 Thank you so much, Bill.

01:35:11.900 Glenn Beck.

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01:35:23.320 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

01:35:25.800 Welcome to the program to Pat Gray.

01:35:28.740 Hello, Pat.

01:35:29.520 Hello, Glenn.

01:35:30.240 Did you just did you just hear Mary Jo Kopechny's family on with us?

01:35:33.520 I did.

01:35:33.820 Yeah.

01:35:34.240 Unbelievable.

01:35:34.920 Yeah.

01:35:35.080 Right.

01:35:35.840 Pretty compelling.

01:35:36.600 Let me let me let me ask you this, who in who is alive in history that we should be

01:35:43.380 talking to who's alive that witness something like I would have never thought that we could

01:35:48.640 just reach out to Mary Jo Kopechny's family.

01:35:50.980 I don't know why.

01:35:52.080 It just didn't even occur to me.

01:35:56.020 Tokyo Rose was living in.

01:35:58.760 She died, I think, in 2010.

01:36:00.840 We should have talked to her before she died.

01:36:03.100 Who who's out there that's a witness to history?

01:36:07.800 And I'd love to hear from you.

01:36:09.160 Just tweet me at Glenn Beck.

01:36:11.260 I'd like to hear who's a witness of history that we should go look for and talk to.

01:36:16.180 That'd be great.

01:36:17.240 It's just to hear the I mean, what it was like for them to go through that as a family member

01:36:22.320 of because you all you hear about is the Ted Kennedy side, which is really important.

01:36:26.080 I mean, the Chappaquiddick movie really deals mainly with with Ted Kennedy side of it.

01:36:30.800 And it's really important to know.

01:36:32.260 But I don't know about you, but when I saw it, you guys both saw the movie, right?

01:36:35.840 Yeah.

01:36:36.080 When I saw it, I immediately thought, how did the family feel?

01:36:41.680 How dirty did that feel?

01:36:43.180 How awful?

01:36:44.060 I think at first they were real supportive of him.

01:36:45.960 Yeah.

01:36:46.280 Yeah.

01:36:46.560 But as time went on, they realized.

01:36:48.620 Yeah.

01:36:49.460 Guy left her to die.

01:36:50.920 Well, there was a real scene in the movie I wanted to ask her about.

01:36:53.600 We didn't get time, but she she was friends with the boiler room girls, right?

01:37:00.220 Like this group of advisors and speechwriters and stuff.

01:37:02.620 Young girls that were around that kind of in the Kennedy circles.

01:37:05.820 They were meeting up at this house.

01:37:07.320 And after this happens, they come back in the next morning and say, hey, look, some really

01:37:12.100 some crazy crap went down.

01:37:13.860 Ted's at the police station.

01:37:15.980 And one of the boiler room girls, the friend of Mary Jo's in the movie, at least, it comes 0.72

01:37:21.340 up and says, what can we do to protect Ted?

01:37:25.560 Like that was their reaction.

01:37:27.020 Like this is the person died.

01:37:28.620 Your friend died.

01:37:30.860 What can we do to protect Ted?

01:37:32.160 Yeah.

01:37:32.180 If she really said that, that's pretty despicable.

01:37:34.140 It may have been a composite reaction, but I think it seemed, if my memory serves, it

01:37:38.100 was, that was the way they reacted generally.

01:37:40.500 Knowing that none of the boiler girls ever reached out to her family is weird.

01:37:44.980 It's weird.

01:37:45.520 I'm smelling food.

01:37:46.640 Oh my gosh.

01:37:47.160 It smells so good.

01:37:48.380 So this is, what is this?

01:37:50.280 This is taste test day.

01:37:51.660 Yes.

01:37:52.240 This is an important thing.

01:37:53.480 As you know, we deal with international news all the time here on the program.

01:37:56.840 Very important.

01:37:57.760 And the International House of Pancakes has a new, new entry.

01:38:01.900 It doesn't get any more international than that news.

01:38:04.260 I don't think that is.

01:38:04.960 Okay.

01:38:05.160 So, so hang on just a second.

01:38:06.940 As we're eating these, what are these?

01:38:08.360 These are the new Hawaiian sweet rolls.

01:38:10.320 Yeah.

01:38:10.420 Before you just jam them down your gullet, let's explain what they are. 0.87

01:38:13.120 You know the Hawaiian rolls you have around the holidays?

01:38:16.280 I love those.

01:38:16.760 In the orange bag.

01:38:18.920 Yeah.

01:38:19.200 In the orange bag.

01:38:19.840 They're kind of sweet.

01:38:20.860 Right?

01:38:21.680 I have decided to make French toast out of them.

01:38:23.920 That's a great idea.

01:38:24.700 Which is a freaking awesome idea.

01:38:25.820 That's why they're international.

01:38:26.760 That's why they're in every country in the world.

01:38:28.180 That's why.

01:38:28.500 Strawberry and banana, cinnamon toast, and regular.

01:38:31.760 Okay.

01:38:31.980 So let me, let me just point this out as we're eating this to tell you just for science.

01:38:37.420 Science purposes only.

01:38:39.620 Stu.

01:38:40.160 Yes.

01:38:40.420 Uh, can you give me what Russia just announced?

01:38:44.660 Oh, sure.

01:38:45.880 This is interesting.

01:38:46.640 Wait, I can't eat when I'm.

01:38:47.920 I know.

01:38:48.700 There's not a heck of a lot of details yet, but.

01:38:50.800 This is terrifying.

01:38:52.280 Yeah.

01:38:52.360 The Russian military is saying that the alleged chemical attack in Syria.

01:38:56.060 Now they're saying, I guess it is happened.

01:38:57.580 It did actually happen.

01:38:58.880 The alleged chemical attack in Syria.

01:39:00.240 Right.

01:39:00.380 At first it was fake news.

01:39:01.380 Right.

01:39:01.920 Huh.

01:39:02.220 What happened to that?

01:39:03.140 Now it's not.

01:39:03.640 Uh, the Russian military is saying that the alleged chemical attack in Syria was staged

01:39:07.000 and directed by Britain.

01:39:10.980 I mean, you, I, wait, how, wait a minute.

01:39:13.620 The alleged was staged.

01:39:19.100 I'm having a hard time with that.

01:39:20.700 All right.

01:39:20.900 So we have, uh, we have this, what have you tried here, Glenn?

01:39:23.980 Cause you can.

01:39:26.340 I'm not that impressed.

01:39:27.920 What do you mean you're not impressed?

01:39:30.220 Hmm.

01:39:30.500 I think this is an interesting concept.

01:39:33.780 It's not working for you.

01:39:35.000 Hawaiian roles are the greatest things ever.

01:39:38.220 I don't know what Hawaiian King came up with them, but if he demanded the island back,

01:39:43.660 I'd give it to them as long as they would, as long as they would continue to ship the

01:39:48.640 roles.

01:39:50.220 Um, yeah, I mean, it's good, but it's not awe inspiring.

01:39:56.820 Oh, it's not as, it's not as.

01:39:59.780 It's, it's not as good as, um, as it sounds.

01:40:03.920 No.

01:40:04.460 Now what's your, what's your reasoning behind it?

01:40:06.520 I think that's pretty good.

01:40:07.640 I mean, it, it doesn't taste, here's what I would say about it.

01:40:10.220 It doesn't taste that much different than regular French toast.

01:40:14.240 Right.

01:40:14.820 Like there's not a huge difference.

01:40:16.820 I had very high expectations because those roles are so yummy.

01:40:21.180 Mm-hmm.

01:40:21.840 But again, it's pretty freaking good.

01:40:23.960 No, it's good.

01:40:24.760 It's, it's good.

01:40:26.100 I wouldn't spit it out.

01:40:27.060 Oh, I would go farther than that.

01:40:30.300 I would eat it and I would order it, but it's not like, you know, I, I was expecting

01:40:36.540 something just really remarkable.

01:40:38.820 I'm not going to an international city just to have it.

01:40:42.940 No.

01:40:43.440 I'll just go to Brussels to get this.

01:40:45.640 No.

01:40:45.840 You would travel to Prague.

01:40:48.560 The good news is it's the international house of pancakes.

01:40:52.580 Mm-hmm.

01:40:53.100 They're all over the world.

01:40:54.780 Right.

01:40:55.380 So whatever city you find yourself in.

01:40:56.460 That is good news.

01:40:57.800 Mm-hmm.

01:40:58.240 Yeah.

01:40:58.500 I mean, look, this is a solid entry.

01:41:01.420 It's a nice little.

01:41:01.980 It's not bad.

01:41:02.480 It's a nice thing to try.

01:41:03.380 I mean, you're, I think you're right though.

01:41:04.900 If I go to, like, if I find myself at IHOP, which I tend to do.

01:41:09.040 You just wake up and you're there.

01:41:11.060 Yeah.

01:41:11.220 Like sometimes.

01:41:11.700 Sort of.

01:41:12.120 You're an IHOP guy.

01:41:13.880 I am an IHOP guy.

01:41:14.820 Over, over the Waffle House.

01:41:16.520 I like Waffle House, too.

01:41:17.640 The problem.

01:41:17.940 Oh, I don't go to Waffle House.

01:41:19.060 Too much smoke.

01:41:19.900 The smoke situation is a problem for me at Waffle House.

01:41:21.560 Really bad.

01:41:22.260 But, you know, like, I like all the chain breakfast places.

01:41:25.620 There's not any that I can identify that I don't like.

01:41:28.860 But my kids really like IHOP.

01:41:30.340 We do a pancake time on, on Saturdays.

01:41:33.260 And a lot of times we'll go to IHOP.

01:41:35.120 And if I'm at IHOP, which I am a lot, I would absolutely put this on my menu of selections

01:41:41.300 to choose while I'm there.

01:41:43.000 I mean, yeah.

01:41:43.480 Yeah.

01:41:43.680 So would I.

01:41:44.100 But would I, like, would I, you know, quit my job and move to an apartment next door to

01:41:50.260 IHOP so I can have it every morning until it expires?

01:41:53.200 Maybe not.

01:41:53.760 Maybe not.

01:41:54.180 You get a discount or something at IHOP?

01:41:55.700 Why are you suddenly so, you know, pretty pro IHOP, isn't it?

01:41:59.920 It's pretty like, hey, IHOP, I'm not saying anything bad about you.

01:42:04.200 No, I think I articulated that well.

01:42:06.840 I wouldn't quit my job and move next to it.

01:42:08.900 That's a knock on IHOP.

01:42:09.700 Well, there's, is there a food you would quit your job for and move next to?

01:42:13.640 There's thousands of food.

01:42:14.060 Really, I think of it as excuses rather than foods.

01:42:18.720 How can I justify quitting my job and moving next to a restaurant?

01:42:22.160 I think about that often.

01:42:24.040 Well, the nice thing is IHOPs are always in the best parts of town.

01:42:26.500 They are.

01:42:27.700 Yeah, no, it's pretty good.

01:42:28.640 It's pretty solid, but yeah, it's not life changing.

01:42:30.600 Yeah, it's not bad.

01:42:32.860 That's good.

01:42:33.480 By the way, the Russian military says that an alleged chemical attack in Syria is staged

01:42:37.460 by Britain.

01:42:38.540 I've eaten all the fruit off the plate.

01:42:41.080 That should tell you something because there's still bread left.

01:42:43.400 Right.

01:42:44.060 I've eaten all the fruit off the plate.

01:42:45.440 What happened to your diet?

01:42:46.580 You know, your shut up.

01:42:47.660 I don't eat things like this anymore.

01:42:50.020 Yeah, we've been getting harassed about this segment.

01:42:52.600 Everyone keeps going, oh, you guys not supposed to eat that stuff.

01:42:55.060 It's a radio show.

01:42:56.740 It's more important than a stupid diet.

01:42:58.600 Okay.

01:42:58.760 People need to know the information about the International House of Pancakes latest offerings.

01:43:02.940 Get over your Glenn's health thing.

01:43:05.300 Thank you, Stu.

01:43:06.040 Thank you.

01:43:07.340 It's science.

01:43:08.320 I am donating.

01:43:09.520 I am loaning my body out for science right now.

01:43:12.400 Think about the sacrifices you're making.

01:43:14.320 Amen, brother.

01:43:15.300 Preach on.

01:43:16.280 You know, a lot of people won't do the types of things you do.

01:43:19.980 Like, you know, not everyone will go cover genocide in Syria.

01:43:23.740 That's right.

01:43:24.040 Not everyone will go to Rwanda in the middle of the Hutu-Tutsi dispute.

01:43:28.340 Amen.

01:43:28.760 And get on the ground.

01:43:30.080 Preach it.

01:43:30.660 And talk to the guys holding the machetes.

01:43:32.520 They won't do that.

01:43:33.240 And other people won't eat IHOP off their diet.

01:43:35.840 Amen.

01:43:38.060 You'll do that.

01:43:38.920 You're an extraordinary human being.

01:43:40.520 Thank you, Pat.

01:43:41.240 Thank you.

01:43:41.740 You know, I feel a little uncomfortable with you guys pointing out how great I am.

01:43:46.140 I don't think you do.

01:43:47.460 Nice.

01:43:47.880 Pretty comfortable.

01:43:50.120 You seem fine with it.

01:43:51.600 So this is your choice, I guess, America.

01:43:53.740 Could we sit here and dissect all the leaks from the James Comey book today?

01:43:57.680 Of course.

01:43:58.040 Sure we could.

01:43:59.240 Sure.

01:43:59.500 Sure we could spend lots of time talking about James Comey and all the observations he had

01:44:03.940 about Donald Trump's hands.

01:44:05.620 Why?

01:44:06.720 Or we could tell you what the latest thing at IHOP is.

01:44:09.260 Can I tell you something?

01:44:10.160 Honestly.

01:44:11.760 Why?

01:44:12.480 What is it that there is to gain on any of this Comey stuff?

01:44:16.820 And I haven't read it, obviously, yet.

01:44:19.300 But from what I've heard, there's almost nothing new in it.

01:44:22.160 Well, I was making this point earlier.

01:44:24.460 Like, when a book company, when stuff starts leaking out from a book, one of two things

01:44:29.440 has happened.

01:44:30.120 A journalist has received the entire book, whether they bought it.

01:44:33.440 Sometimes they mistakenly put it out at stores.

01:44:35.720 Sometimes, you know, the book company could leak it to them.

01:44:37.740 So they look at the book, and they go through the book, and they find the best stuff, the

01:44:40.780 most important stuff that they think will make, you know, get attention to it, and they

01:44:44.900 bring it up.

01:44:45.520 That's part one.

01:44:46.540 Part two is the publisher of the book leaks excerpts of the things they'll find to be most

01:44:53.500 salacious so that people will start talking about the book before it comes out.

01:44:56.560 If it's that, if it's the publisher leaking details, and this is what's coming out, we

01:45:01.480 don't know if there's good stuff in the book yet.

01:45:03.440 We don't know if there's real stuff in the book yet.

01:45:05.560 Because they may just be leaking salacious details to get attention, and then when you

01:45:09.660 read the substance of it, you may find that there actually is substance there.

01:45:13.700 But if there's a galley of the book.

01:45:15.640 Right.

01:45:15.860 If they have this whole book, they've read the whole book, and what you're hearing now

01:45:19.220 is the most interesting crap in there, it's a giant zilch. 1.00

01:45:24.220 And by all indications, it's that one.

01:45:26.640 It's that way.

01:45:27.640 They actually do have the book.

01:45:28.960 They've gone through the book, and these are the things they find to be most important.

01:45:32.120 That's really bad.

01:45:33.000 The only thing anybody's talking about is that dumb Russian rumor about the sex with

01:45:39.100 prostitutes in Moscow and what went on there.

01:45:41.020 And he just says he thinks it's possible that it's true.

01:45:46.780 Well, first of all, we already went down that road, and it's not.

01:45:51.820 The reason he thinks it's true is because, apparently, Trump asked him to go investigate this.

01:45:58.540 That's exactly...

01:45:59.540 Can I tell you something?

01:46:00.480 That tells me it's not true.

01:46:01.800 That tells me it's not true.

01:46:02.980 If I had that out about me, and my wife would know, but I would say, I don't want that out

01:46:10.620 about me.

01:46:11.500 That is horrible.

01:46:12.820 Yes.

01:46:13.100 Go prove that is inaccurate.

01:46:15.640 And they're making a big deal out of it because everybody's saying, well, why would she even

01:46:19.640 believe there's a 1% chance?

01:46:21.060 Well, because he admitted to it, Ferris, multiple times.

01:46:23.700 He bragged about it in books.

01:46:25.220 So, yeah, she could think maybe he did something weird like that.

01:46:28.540 Yeah.

01:46:28.880 So, go investigate it and show her that I didn't do it.

01:46:31.360 There's no way he did something weird.

01:46:32.860 No, I don't think he did either.

01:46:33.840 No, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:46:34.980 There's no way she believes he did something weird.

01:46:37.120 Would he go to Moscow and have sex with beautiful models?

01:46:42.660 Yeah.

01:46:42.900 And I think she would have fears that maybe he would do that.

01:46:46.940 And I think she would be justified in that.

01:46:49.600 That's not what this is.

01:46:51.120 This is him buying hookers, which I do not believe Donald Trump would do.

01:46:56.960 It would be too big.

01:46:58.340 Let's just take it the shallow way.

01:47:01.660 It would be too much of a hit to his ego to have to pay for it.

01:47:05.340 So, he wouldn't.

01:47:06.820 I don't think.

01:47:07.840 The second part of that is the golden shower.

01:47:12.040 Donald Trump doesn't shake hands.

01:47:15.800 He doesn't like to shake people's hands.

01:47:19.720 He's a germaphobe.

01:47:21.340 Do you think that he's going to have somebody pee all over him or around him?

01:47:26.460 No.

01:47:27.820 I hope not.

01:47:28.780 But, I mean, it shows.

01:47:29.660 I don't think so either.

01:47:30.340 I just, I don't think it happened.

01:47:31.620 I don't think it happened either.

01:47:33.000 But to just show how far Comey is going to try to make this case.

01:47:36.300 The point you brought up, Pat, he said something to the effect of, look, even if my wife thinks there's a 1% chance that something like this happened, I need to disprove it.

01:47:45.740 Right.

01:47:46.300 So, go and castigate it and show her.

01:47:48.140 And Comey's self-righteous line after that, what kind of marriage are you in if your wife would believe there's a 1% chance you'd do something like that? 1.00

01:47:58.560 That is such a stretch.

01:48:00.360 He's just saying, look, I want to make sure I disprove this so there's no chance at all my wife would believe it.

01:48:06.100 I don't think she believes it, but even if there's a 1% chance, I want the truth to be out there.

01:48:10.520 He's not saying that his marriage is so bad that she might believe it.

01:48:14.760 Now, you may take that from other comments, but to stretch his comment there.

01:48:21.040 Twisted it completely out of proportion.

01:48:22.800 Into an admission his marriage is bad is ridiculous.

01:48:25.280 Yeah.

01:48:25.840 I mean, there's a lot of other evidence of those sorts of things.

01:48:29.540 Yeah, first of all, can we just, let's just be honest here for a second.

01:48:32.800 Let's talk about the product as if it is the product that we all know it is.

01:48:39.720 Donald Trump is not the king of virtue, as we hear from spiritual leaders all the time.

01:48:47.700 We didn't elect a pastor.

01:48:48.940 We didn't elect a pastor.

01:48:50.780 So, we know his record with women.

01:48:53.620 Okay?

01:48:54.300 We know it.

01:48:55.100 Now, whether it's the Stormy Daniel, let's just say all of that stuff stopped the minute he found his true love

01:49:02.180 in Melania.

01:49:03.300 Right.

01:49:03.620 Okay?

01:49:04.540 We know who he was in the past.

01:49:08.060 You don't think Melania does?

01:49:09.940 Yeah, of course she thought about it.

01:49:10.480 Of course there's 1% chance.

01:49:12.700 Of course.

01:49:13.760 It doesn't mean anything other than, hey, he's had this kind of stuff in his life before

01:49:18.720 where, you know, he likes the youngest, hottest thing.

01:49:23.160 You know, I'm not as young as I used to be.

01:49:26.700 I'm whatever.

01:49:27.300 Of course she would think that.

01:49:30.760 And, of course, a good husband would think, I don't want her thinking that way.

01:49:36.100 Yeah.

01:49:36.980 You remember the time that your wife found her first gray hair and you had to make a big deal

01:49:42.000 out of how young she was?

01:49:44.100 Absolutely not, Clint.

01:49:45.100 I don't remember that either.

01:49:46.160 It's never happened.

01:49:46.820 I don't think Jackie has a gray hair.

01:49:48.100 Well, I just remember my father who was a bad man.

01:49:52.600 Are you going to talk about this today on Pac-Ray Unleashed?

01:49:57.100 The Comey thing?

01:49:57.960 Yeah, you're going to go into that?

01:49:58.900 Okay.

01:49:59.380 All right.

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The Glenn Beck Program - April 13, 2018

'Under Attack Like Never Before' - 4⧸13⧸18

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