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00:03:47.060 We are on the precipice of Independence Day.

00:03:51.020 Oh!

00:03:51.600 July 3rd already.

00:03:52.740 Wow.

00:03:53.120 Somali?

00:03:53.520 I thought Somali and Independence Day passed a couple days ago.

00:03:55.680 Yeah, I did.

00:03:55.940 We were reminded about that by Ilan Omar.

00:03:58.680 Right.

00:03:58.800 So you're right.

00:03:59.920 So why?

00:04:00.320 It's over.

00:04:01.040 We're done.

00:04:01.760 Okay.

00:04:02.220 So never mind.

00:04:03.180 That's the important one.

00:04:04.240 There's also, I guess, an American one too.

00:04:05.380 That's the big one.

00:04:05.840 But I've heard.

00:04:06.920 I don't know.

00:04:07.340 I don't know.

00:04:07.780 I don't know.

00:04:08.920 But because we're all Somalia first.

00:04:11.420 Yes.

00:04:11.840 We had to celebrate Somalia.

00:04:14.480 To be fair, it does occur first.

00:04:16.220 It does.

00:04:16.540 It's a couple days earlier.

00:04:18.100 So.

00:04:18.420 All right.

00:04:20.720 We got to talk about the big, beautiful bill because it looks like it's going to pass,

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00:05:56.880 It's a big day.

00:05:58.080 A lot going on.

00:06:00.640 Including the big, beautiful bill.

00:06:03.120 President Trump was a little unhappy overnight, because there were some GOP holdouts on the bill.

00:06:10.500 So, he started to threaten people with, I guess, truth socials.

00:06:16.380 I'm going to truth social you if you don't get on board here.

00:06:20.220 And I think that was enough.

00:06:22.080 And here's the thing.

00:06:22.980 It always works.

00:06:24.440 Every time.

00:06:25.000 Every time he does it, it just works.

00:06:27.200 Yeah.

00:06:27.420 And, you know, you can take from that what you will.

00:06:30.780 I mean, we mentioned this the other day, that, like, I think it's outdated to be sitting

00:06:36.100 here with this, like, well, Republicans are stopping, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:06:39.240 This GOP, the establishment is in the way.

00:06:43.920 Where?

00:06:44.580 Right.

00:06:44.860 Where is there evidence of this anymore?

00:06:46.620 There was evidence of this in 2017, sure.

00:06:49.660 But, like, this is Donald Trump's party, and they do what he says.

00:06:53.020 They do.

00:06:53.760 That's the end of the story.

00:06:55.100 Yeah.

00:06:55.300 There are a few people who will hold out here and there against what he says.

00:07:00.480 And we see what happens with that, like, with, like, Tom Tillis, who's like, I'm not

00:07:05.020 going to vote for this.

00:07:06.000 Oh, yeah, we're going to primary you.

00:07:07.140 I'm already quitting.

00:07:07.980 Like, like, that, that was, it was like an eight minute time frame where all of that

00:07:13.800 occurred the other day.

00:07:15.300 It's like, all right, you know, and, like, I think a lot of good outcomes come from that

00:07:20.880 process, frankly.

00:07:21.880 You know, a lot of times the opposition and, you know, the GOP and the establishment is

00:07:25.940 there and it hurts these bills and stops things that are really positive.

00:07:31.620 But, like, we're kind of fooling ourselves here.

00:07:34.680 What occurs is Donald Trump says he wants something from Republicans and then Republicans

00:07:39.860 give him the thing that he wants.

00:07:41.940 That's, there might be little, you know, addendums and quirks and little holdouts and drama, which

00:07:48.100 we can go through.

00:07:49.280 Yeah.

00:07:49.460 Go through the drama overnight.

00:07:50.560 There was plenty of it.

00:07:51.460 But, like, at the end of the day, what he wants, something, he gets the thing that he

00:07:56.860 wants.

00:07:57.400 Mm-hmm.

00:07:57.980 Yeah.

00:07:58.200 At two in the morning, he was out on Truth Social saying, largest tax cuts in history

00:08:02.620 and a booming economy versus biggest tax increase in history and a failed economy.

00:08:07.220 What are Republicans waiting for?

00:08:09.720 What are you trying to prove?

00:08:11.100 MAGA is not happy and it's costing you votes.

00:08:13.900 Then he posted again, all caps.

00:08:17.340 Oh, see, that's another level.

00:08:18.980 So he yelled at him on Truth Social.

00:08:21.800 For Republicans, this should be an easy yes vote.

00:08:25.080 Ridiculous.

00:08:26.140 The pressure campaign appeared to work.

00:08:28.600 Hours later.

00:08:29.520 Always works.

00:08:30.260 Republicans voted 219 to 213 to advance the bill.

00:08:35.500 Yeah.

00:08:35.780 I mean, this is...

00:08:36.580 There you go.

00:08:37.220 Trump, I think, loves this scenario.

00:08:39.340 He loves jumping in and...

00:08:41.460 He does.

00:08:41.700 He loves to fight.

00:08:42.580 Yeah.

00:08:43.040 He does.

00:08:43.580 He likes being able to get what he wants, right?

00:08:47.620 And the fact that he is, I mean, quite clearly the most powerful person in the world.

00:08:51.920 I think certainly in my lifetime.

00:08:53.240 And even more than, you know, typical presidents, as you're noting here.

00:08:58.240 Like, it's not, this is not like, I don't know, George W. Bush, who constantly was, had

00:09:03.880 people saying he couldn't do the things that he wanted to do.

00:09:06.640 Yeah.

00:09:06.840 You know, we mentioned the privatizing Social Security thing.

00:09:10.300 Right.

00:09:10.580 And a lot of things he wanted to do didn't happen.

00:09:12.640 Didn't happen.

00:09:13.220 It just didn't happen.

00:09:13.880 He put all of his weight behind it and it just didn't occur.

00:09:16.340 Didn't matter.

00:09:16.520 By the way, it would have been great if it did, but it didn't.

00:09:19.540 Here is a situation when Trump does this.

00:09:22.200 And I think this is largely speaking to Trump's abilities in this role, which is he doesn't

00:09:30.440 care about being mean.

00:09:32.060 He doesn't care about twisting arms.

00:09:34.340 Right.

00:09:34.500 He doesn't care about what your little problems are or what ideological issue you have with

00:09:40.400 what he wants.

00:09:41.160 No, he doesn't.

00:09:41.680 He just tells you to do it and you do it.

00:09:43.840 And that is the party.

00:09:44.780 You got a problem with your constituents?

00:09:46.760 Tough.

00:09:47.200 Tough.

00:09:48.040 Do it.

00:09:48.760 Yeah.

00:09:49.060 Just do it or I primary you and you won't have a job.

00:09:51.740 I mean, that's, you know, I almost in some ways it would be more dramatic if it were

00:09:57.740 like House of Cards where he was holding affairs over people's heads.

00:10:01.980 I don't even think it's that.

00:10:03.380 I just think it's.

00:10:03.960 I don't think so.

00:10:04.380 I think he's holding truth social over their heads.

00:10:07.840 That would have been a really terrible series.

00:10:09.520 Yeah.

00:10:09.760 Like, you know, you're watching Netflix and Kevin Spacey's like, I'm going to truth social

00:10:13.920 you if you don't.

00:10:15.100 OK, OK, I'll jump in front of the subway.

00:10:18.620 Like, you know, I.

00:10:19.880 Yeah.

00:10:20.060 But that is what it was.

00:10:21.120 What seems to occur.

00:10:23.020 And I mean, I think in this particular instance, there's a lot of good in this bill.

00:10:27.740 Look, there are things we can complain about and we have complained about them.

00:10:31.380 I don't think it's a great bill.

00:10:33.700 I don't think Trump even believes it's a great bill.

00:10:36.120 I think what he believes is, is it needs to get done because you need large elements of

00:10:41.860 it are good and those things need to occur.

00:10:45.120 So he is willing to, as a negotiator, put up with a bunch of stuff that he probably wouldn't

00:10:50.840 prefer to be in this bill.

00:10:52.760 But he doesn't have that.

00:10:54.440 He doesn't have that like need to point it out.

00:10:57.240 You know, like a lot of these guys that that are in the Freedom Caucus are going to like,

00:11:00.400 well, what about this?

00:11:01.200 This spending?

00:11:01.700 You got to fix this.

00:11:02.400 You got to fix this.

00:11:02.980 And then they just kind of fold at the end where, you know, Trump is, he doesn't have

00:11:07.420 that in him where he's like, I need to note that there are problems with this bill.

00:11:11.280 He doesn't do that.

00:11:11.880 He just says it's the best thing ever.

00:11:14.120 And he's always done that.

00:11:15.660 This is what he did with hotels back in the day.

00:11:17.860 This is what he did.

00:11:18.700 You know what he says about Mar-a-Lago.

00:11:20.540 Like, I'm sure there's a bathroom that's, I don't know, maybe it's a little, it's

00:11:24.800 inconveniently placed inside of the establishment.

00:11:27.420 And someone, you could say, you know, I really love this place.

00:11:29.660 I wish that bathroom was a little closer to the main dining hall.

00:11:32.320 But yeah, whatever.

00:11:33.380 He doesn't do that.

00:11:34.520 No.

00:11:34.700 He just says it's perfect.

00:11:36.360 And look, it works.

00:11:38.280 It really does.

00:11:39.660 Should we go through some of the minute by minute stuff here?

00:11:42.520 Yeah.

00:11:42.880 Pat, I thought it was interesting.

00:11:44.120 This is from Punchbowl, one of those Washington Insider email newsletters.

00:11:48.440 It does look like Mike Johnson and Donald Trump will make their July 4th deadline.

00:11:53.000 That's another thing that we've been talking about on this.

00:11:54.760 The July 4th deadline is not a real deadline.

00:11:57.300 It was just a deadline that basically, again, Donald Trump just said, I want it done by

00:12:01.260 this day.

00:12:03.020 And so it is now going to be done today, which is July 3rd.

00:12:07.900 Assuming Hakeem Jeffries, who is speaking right now, stops speaking at some point.

00:12:12.860 That is the addendum to the thing.

00:12:14.840 Here's a little bit of how he started out.

00:12:18.160 To have a robust debate, passionate support, or passionate opposition, in connection with

00:12:29.040 this bill.

00:12:31.720 That hundreds of members on both sides of the aisle could participate.

00:12:36.040 And instead, we have a limited debate where the relevant committees of jurisdiction have

00:12:46.020 been given 15 minutes each on a bill of such significant magnitude as it relates to the

00:12:55.100 health, the safety, and the well-being of the American people.

00:13:00.200 Does it relate to the health of the American people?

00:13:04.180 Does it?

00:13:04.600 Well, I'm not sure.

00:13:05.360 Well, Medicaid cuts!

00:13:07.540 Millions of people are going to lose health insurance!

00:13:10.160 Which, no.

00:13:11.120 I don't think that's accurate.

00:13:12.500 Even if it is, their prediction is basically that people won't file the correct paperwork.

00:13:17.020 Yeah.

00:13:17.560 It's, come on.

00:13:18.380 Which is funny because, you know, Pat, as you've talked about for many years, the Democrats

00:13:22.860 just hate red tape.

00:13:24.660 Oh, man.

00:13:25.180 They just are opposed to a lot of paperwork.

00:13:28.160 They want your experience with the government to go as easily and smoothly as possible.

00:13:32.740 That's what they're all about.

00:13:34.080 Yeah.

00:13:34.340 So dumb.

00:13:35.980 Sure.

00:13:36.200 So ridiculous.

00:13:37.040 And because that debate was so limited.

00:13:39.760 So limited.

00:13:40.520 Yeah, there's no debate over this bill.

00:13:42.000 Right.

00:13:42.280 Months and months and months of debate.

00:13:44.020 I feel the obligation, Mr. Speaker, to stand on this House floor.

00:13:47.720 Yeah.

00:13:48.420 Uh-huh.

00:13:49.100 And?

00:13:49.700 And take my sweet time.

00:13:51.200 Oh, wow.

00:13:52.080 Here we go.

00:13:52.420 To tell the story.

00:13:54.580 Yeah!

00:13:54.860 Taking time, delaying the government.

00:13:56.800 Good job, everybody.

00:13:58.100 And that's exactly what I intend to do.

00:14:00.260 He intends to do it.

00:14:01.240 Powerful.

00:14:01.480 He's going to take his sweet time.

00:14:02.780 Take my sweet time.

00:14:03.640 Sweet time.

00:14:04.220 Yeah.

00:14:04.760 Yeah!

00:14:05.340 On behalf of the American people.

00:14:07.500 Oh, okay.

00:14:08.260 On behalf of their health care.

00:14:09.740 Health care.

00:14:10.360 What?

00:14:10.800 On behalf of their Medicaid.

00:14:12.780 Their Medicaid, again.

00:14:13.860 That's what he's talking about.

00:14:15.040 The cuts in Medicaid, which are non-existent.

00:14:18.820 I mean, it's a paperwork thing.

00:14:20.260 On behalf of their nutritional assistants.

00:14:23.200 Nutritional assistants.

00:14:25.260 Veterans.

00:14:25.900 What is that?

00:14:27.420 Is there a veteran segment to this bill?

00:14:30.860 I haven't even heard of that.

00:14:32.320 If there is one.

00:14:32.720 On behalf of farmers.

00:14:33.940 Farmers.

00:14:34.100 On behalf of children.

00:14:35.600 Children.

00:14:36.360 Well, the ones, you know, the few children that they don't murder before they're born.

00:14:41.560 Yeah.

00:14:41.820 Occasionally some of them get through the whole process, unfortunately.

00:14:44.320 A few of them escape.

00:14:46.280 Escape the womb.

00:14:47.340 The abortion people.

00:14:49.700 And their incredible worship at the altar of abortions.

00:14:54.240 Some of the babies have moments like in the Matrix where like the bullets are flying at them.

00:14:58.620 And they dodge the tools of the abortion and somehow escape the womb.

00:15:03.680 He's fighting on behalf of those.

00:15:05.580 On behalf of those.

00:15:05.760 Those few that get through that.

00:15:07.620 On behalf of seniors.

00:15:09.220 Seniors.

00:15:09.600 On behalf of people with disabilities.

00:15:11.520 On behalf of small businesses.

00:15:13.060 This is so ridiculous.

00:15:14.760 On behalf of every single American.

00:15:18.400 I'm on this house floor after 6 a.m.

00:15:22.320 And I'm planning to take my sweet time.

00:15:26.260 Okay.

00:15:26.580 So it'll be interesting to see how long he can go.

00:15:29.000 That is the rule, by the way.

00:15:30.240 He gets to speak as long as he wants.

00:15:32.640 So.

00:15:32.880 Yeah.

00:15:33.400 And now it's not like some of these filibusters where you can kind of just leave and he has

00:15:38.540 to actually just keep going.

00:15:39.740 So he's got bite.

00:15:40.420 And he can't turn it over to other people.

00:15:42.240 Can he?

00:15:43.060 No.

00:15:43.460 I think it's just him.

00:15:44.000 Yeah.

00:15:44.140 I think it's.

00:15:44.720 Yeah.

00:15:45.100 So he's on his own.

00:15:46.120 He's been just reading like different testimonials of people.

00:15:50.300 Like, what about Bill?

00:15:52.160 Bill Schnagdenfergen who lives in Pocatello, Idaho.

00:15:57.600 Oh, it's the Idaho Schnagdenfergens.

00:15:59.560 You know them?

00:16:00.000 Yeah.

00:16:00.300 Oh, yeah.

00:16:00.780 Yeah.

00:16:01.260 Love that family.

00:16:02.260 Good family.

00:16:02.960 And they are not going to want to file the extra piece of paperwork to say they're looking

00:16:07.740 for a job.

00:16:08.680 So they're going to lose their Medicaid.

00:16:11.520 All right.

00:16:12.280 Well, maybe they should have filed the extra paperwork.

00:16:15.320 Maybe.

00:16:16.000 Yeah.

00:16:16.320 I don't know.

00:16:17.540 I mean, again, is it think about what the Republicans are trying to do?

00:16:22.380 And we'll get into the minute by minute of this here in a second.

00:16:24.700 But like, think of what the Republicans are trying to do with the work requirements.

00:16:28.140 Right.

00:16:28.720 We all know.

00:16:29.880 We probably all know individuals who have gone on a government program and could have

00:16:35.040 gotten on off of that government program and decided not to.

00:16:38.900 Because why would I?

00:16:40.840 If you know someone who's been on unemployment, who stays on it maybe, you know, a few weeks

00:16:47.520 longer because they're getting paid to do nothing, right?

00:16:50.320 That doesn't mean everyone who's on unemployment or everyone who's on Medicaid doesn't need it

00:16:55.380 or whatever.

00:16:56.280 That's not true at all.

00:16:57.200 I understand that there's a lot of people in need and having tough times.

00:17:00.680 We just came through a president who destroyed a lot of people's lives, frankly, when it comes

00:17:05.600 to the economy.

00:17:06.180 So, I know people are going through tough times, but like, we all know that that's not

00:17:11.120 everybody.

00:17:11.800 And the effort here is to say, hey, if you're going to get this and you're able-bodied and

00:17:18.400 you're within the age of normal working, you know, working age adults, you have to show

00:17:26.080 a little bit of effort to get yourself off of it, right?

00:17:29.580 And that just means, hey, like, are you going to pursue a job or are you sitting home collecting

00:17:34.800 these benefits, you know, playing PlayStation all day?

00:17:39.420 And that, like, I understand it's not everybody.

00:17:42.260 It doesn't mean that everybody who's on a program is a bad person doing that.

00:17:46.020 But like, it's an important thing to address that type of situation to make sure it doesn't

00:17:52.480 get abused.

00:17:53.060 Another one is the disability program.

00:17:55.140 There's been tons of reporting on places like 60 Minutes where these roles have grown and

00:18:03.240 grown and grown and people who were never intended to be on a disability program are

00:18:07.660 now on it.

00:18:08.360 Yeah.

00:18:08.760 Yeah.

00:18:09.260 It's not like nobody's ever heard of the abuse in these programs.

00:18:13.260 Right.

00:18:13.960 It's rife with abuse.

00:18:16.740 And everybody knows it.

00:18:17.660 I mean, billions, hundreds of billions, probably over years time, hundreds of billions, if not

00:18:22.860 trillions of dollars of abuse.

00:18:25.220 And so is it really outrageous to try to clean some of that up?

00:18:29.180 Of course not.

00:18:29.940 No.

00:18:30.220 It makes perfect sense.

00:18:31.200 But that's a Medicaid cut to these people.

00:18:32.820 Yeah.

00:18:33.040 It's silly.

00:18:33.660 It's ridiculous.

00:18:34.240 It's silly.

00:18:34.660 It's asinine.

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00:19:54.440 All right, so the big, beautiful bill.

00:19:57.540 Okay, so there's two votes that basically needed to happen.

00:20:00.180 There was some procedural vote and leading into the final vote.

00:20:02.400 We are currently in between those two votes.

00:20:04.580 We're waiting for the final vote.

00:20:05.780 The procedural thing went well.

00:20:07.340 It advanced.

00:20:08.060 Yeah, here's how it went.

00:20:09.260 Last chapter of the drama over the last 24 hours had more twists and turns in the final

00:20:14.000 episode of White Lotus, which I guess is a more current reference than House of Cards.

00:20:19.580 Yes.

00:20:19.800 My House of Cards reference.

00:20:20.480 But I've never watched it.

00:20:21.500 No, I never have either.

00:20:22.380 No, I never have either.

00:20:23.540 Around 3.20 a.m., after holding the vote open for nearly six hours while Johnson and

00:20:28.960 Trump lobbied them furiously, several hardline conservative holdouts voted to move forward

00:20:34.500 with the measure.

00:20:35.180 This is incredible.

00:20:36.320 It is.

00:20:36.620 I mean, you won't believe some of the holdouts.

00:20:38.460 Some of the names are pretty interesting.

00:20:39.860 Yeah.

00:20:40.740 Ending the dramatic floor stalemate.

00:20:43.200 The holdouts included refs Josh Brasheen, Eric Burleson, Keith Self, Scott Perry, Bob

00:20:51.820 Under, Andy Harris, and Chip Roy.

00:20:54.420 Now, we had Chip Roy on the show the other day.

00:20:57.840 He was very much against what happened in the Senate.

00:21:01.800 Right.

00:21:01.920 He had voted for the House version of it.

00:21:04.620 It was against the Senate version of it.

00:21:07.080 And he...

00:21:08.920 Did he not say he would...

00:21:09.980 He said he would not vote for it.

00:21:11.660 He would not vote for it.

00:21:12.120 Yeah.

00:21:12.660 What makes it...

00:21:13.360 This goes on to this.

00:21:14.200 What makes it so remarkable is that Harris, Roy, and Self spent a huge chunk of this week

00:21:18.340 dumping all over the bill, only to vote for it with absolutely no changes a day later.

00:21:24.380 It's incredible.

00:21:25.200 Well, again, Donald Trump.

00:21:27.160 Again, I get it.

00:21:28.100 It's the power of Donald Trump.

00:21:29.680 Yes.

00:21:30.060 We all know what's happening here.

00:21:31.200 Yeah.

00:21:31.460 Roy went as far to say that he wouldn't vote for a rule at all and indicated he wanted

00:21:35.480 to revise the package and send it back to the Senate.

00:21:38.560 That's not going to happen now.

00:21:40.700 We made...

00:21:41.500 I love this.

00:21:42.280 We made some progress on fiscal issues, Self told us early this morning.

00:21:47.360 The bill is exactly the same.

00:21:50.040 What do you mean you made progress?

00:21:51.860 He's got to say that, though, to say face.

00:21:53.400 Right, yeah.

00:21:53.720 He has to say that.

00:21:54.520 I got to do it, I guess.

00:21:55.380 This is Washington today.

00:21:57.120 Yeah.

00:21:57.380 And again, we should just recognize this is what it is.

00:21:59.800 It's a difficult place for everybody, I suppose.

00:22:02.740 The House Freedom Caucus caved once again, it's according to Punchbowl.

00:22:06.340 They will lose a tremendous amount of sway in the wake of this episode.

00:22:09.280 That's a bad outcome because the Freedom Caucus is a good influence on these bills, typically.

00:22:15.020 And I think this is accurate, though, because when you say you're going to not vote for something

00:22:18.680 and then you just fold with no changes, you're going to lose some credibility.

00:22:24.440 Much of the conversation overnight centered around the implementation of the bill, the

00:22:27.480 nation's fiscal trajectory, and what kinds of executive orders the Trump administration

00:22:31.340 might issue to assuage the concerns of conservatives.

00:22:34.220 And you may see some of that, right?

00:22:35.500 Like Trump may have said, hey, if you vote for this bill as is, I'll give you an executive

00:22:40.040 order on this.

00:22:40.980 Like there's usually something that happens.

00:22:43.180 If you remember, Pat, going back a long time, there was a situation like this with Obamacare

00:22:49.180 where there was one or two, I think it was one, representative on the Democratic side that

00:22:53.840 wouldn't come along because he just was against funding abortion.

00:22:56.980 Remember this?

00:22:57.440 I can't remember the guy's name.

00:22:58.660 I can't either.

00:22:59.320 Pennsylvania.

00:22:59.680 He's Pennsylvania, yeah.

00:23:01.180 And we'll get it in the break.

00:23:03.680 But he got screwed immediately.

00:23:05.000 Yeah.

00:23:05.260 They immediately promised something and immediately broke the promise.

00:23:09.380 Yeah, it was basically like Obama will come out and he'll make an executive order, executive

00:23:15.300 statement of some sort saying X, Y, and Z won't happen.

00:23:19.780 He did that, I believe, but then it just immediately happened anyway.

00:23:23.200 It meant nothing.

00:23:24.140 Yep.

00:23:24.520 Johnson said the Senate made more changes than I anticipated.

00:23:29.400 Thomas Massey was a one-man roller coaster for the GOP leadership.

00:23:33.140 Thomas Massey.

00:23:34.280 Massey railed against the bill all week.

00:23:36.320 He initially voted for the rule to advance it.

00:23:40.180 Then, around 11.30 p.m., Massey entered a mostly empty house chamber and switched his

00:23:45.100 vote from yes to no.

00:23:47.500 However, Massey, who Trump has personally targeted for defeat in 2026, switched back again to yes

00:23:54.440 when all the other hardliners flipped.

00:23:57.640 That was this morning.

00:23:58.620 He said, make clear he would like Trump to stop attacking him.

00:24:05.580 Surprising yes votes on the procedural vote, including David Valdeo.

00:24:08.660 David Valdeo from California, who represents a district chock full of Medicaid recipients.

00:24:14.500 He voted for the motion at 11.20, as most of the members were already gone.

00:24:19.040 So, it looks like it's going to happen.

00:24:21.120 It's just a matter of Hakeem Jeffries shutting up at some point,

00:24:24.540 and then the bill should go forward and get passed before the deadline.

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00:26:06.700 Big, beautiful bill being delayed right now.

00:26:09.840 The final vote on the bill will take place as soon as Hakeem Jeffries stops yapping.

00:26:17.580 It's been going on, I think, since 6 Eastern, so about an hour and a half or so.

00:26:26.000 And he promises to keep going as long as he possibly can.

00:26:30.020 So we'll see how long he can continue and delay the vote on this bill.

00:26:35.500 Meantime, let's go to Gordon in Florida.

00:26:38.040 Hey, Gordon, you're on the Glenn Beck program with Pat and Stu.

00:26:40.560 Hey, thank you for taking my call.

00:26:42.180 Listen, I want to let you know that I do not wish to be disrespectful to President Trump, the Republicans, or the Democrats, but all three have not kept their word.

00:26:51.040 First, Trump promised to end the Department of Ed that he's keeping the student lending arm, and the Republicans have not obeyed page 35 of the Republican platform, which prohibits my tax dollars used for student loans.

00:27:02.000 And the Democrats, they have student loan bankruptcy in their platform, and they have not kept their word.

00:27:06.960 So in our grandparents' time, they had no student loans, especially on my tax dollar, okay?

00:27:12.400 No fifth grader has student loans.

00:27:14.100 No other country has student loans.

00:27:16.020 And college is now becoming unaffordable.

00:27:18.100 And we cannot afford to send people to college, okay?

00:27:21.240 So without bankruptcy legislation, return for student loans, which Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4 calls for uniform bankruptcy code, it's not going to force – there's nothing to force down the Department of Ed.

00:27:33.980 And every time I hear someone say, oh, those students shouldn't have bankruptcy, that reminds me of Nancy Pelosi.

00:27:39.600 Oh, I want Second Amendment rights for me and my private security, but you commoners can't have it.

00:27:44.920 Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4 calls for student loans to be uniform, just like every other loan.

00:27:52.340 And the most important thing, and I need to apologize to Trump, is that the golden rule says that the way you want to treat other people is the way you should be treated.

00:28:02.360 And so I owe Trump a big apology because he wants bankruptcy depends for himself, but not for students, okay?

00:28:10.800 And so if student loan bankruptcy is not returned like it was in our grandparents' time, there's going to be nothing to force the Department of Ed and the lobbyists back.

00:28:21.400 We're going to keep spending.

00:28:22.540 It's going to cost the student loan middleman and the health insurance middleman Trump promised to get rid of.

00:28:27.480 He is not ending to the Department of Ed.

00:28:29.080 I want Trump and the Democrats both to succeed, but without bankruptcy returning to student loans, there'll be no force under heaven that will stop the Department of Ed from ripping off students, taxpayers, and making college unaffordable.

00:28:42.980 It'll rip off patients, too.

00:28:44.880 Gordon, thank you.

00:28:46.560 Appreciate the call.

00:28:47.620 I think, you know, if you meant, first of all, Trump and the Republicans to succeed, if he wants Trump and the Democrats to succeed, it's going to be a difficult road.

00:28:55.440 But what I will say, like, I want the government out of the student loan business.

00:29:00.640 I don't think they should be involved in it.

00:29:02.100 I think it's been a terrible experiment, and it was obviously a massively abused show by Joe Biden to make it much, much worse.

00:29:10.260 But I want to focus on something else that he said, Pat.

00:29:12.980 It is not disrespectful to Donald Trump to have a question about one of his policies.

00:29:19.820 No, it's not.

00:29:20.460 It's okay.

00:29:20.760 No, it's not.

00:29:21.260 You don't have to apologize to Donald Trump for thinking that one of his policies isn't the way you'd want it to be.

00:29:27.860 This is actually how our country is supposed to work.

00:29:30.420 You don't have to agree with everything that he says.

00:29:32.900 It's totally fine.

00:29:34.300 You shouldn't feel the need to apologize to him for having, you know, a question, a problem, an issue with one of his policies.

00:29:43.100 You know, I don't think that he expects that.

00:29:45.220 Still America.

00:29:45.280 Yeah, right.

00:29:45.960 Like, you know, don't call up and say, if you've got a problem with a bill, give us a call.

00:29:51.220 888-727-BECK.

00:29:53.040 It's not a personal affront to a guy that you probably voted for.

00:29:56.280 That's okay.

00:29:56.620 He's the president of the United States.

00:29:58.240 He can take it.

00:29:59.060 Every person I've ever voted for in my entire life, I've had policy disagreements with.

00:30:04.040 Oh, my gosh.

00:30:04.680 Every single time.

00:30:05.420 In fact, unless you are a person who is actually run for office, that's got to be true for everybody.

00:30:11.620 And honestly, as we saw with some of the votes overnight, a lot of these representatives disagree with their own positions.

00:30:18.040 The only person that I can't disagree with, and he's not currently reigning in the office of the presidency, would be Jesus.

00:30:28.740 Okay.

00:30:29.200 Yeah.

00:30:29.520 I would agree with everything he says, everything he does.

00:30:32.900 He'd win easily.

00:30:33.700 I wouldn't, I think, just follow him.

00:30:35.900 Not in a Democratic primary.

00:30:37.400 Short of Jesus, however.

00:30:39.020 Everybody else is subject to being fallible.

00:30:42.180 Yeah.

00:30:42.520 We all make mistakes, and nobody's perfect, and we don't worship Donald Trump.

00:30:47.440 We just like him because he's done a pretty good job so far.

00:30:50.540 You take the things that you like, and you say, hey, these are good.

00:30:53.200 Yeah.

00:30:53.460 And you take the things that you don't like, and you say, hey, these aren't great.

00:30:55.960 I wish he'd change that.

00:30:56.760 I wish he'd change that.

00:30:57.660 And, you know, by the way, Donald Trump has shown that at times he will hear what the

00:31:02.580 American people say, particularly his supporters, and change on policies.

00:31:06.720 That's happened many, many times since he's been in office.

00:31:08.780 So, you know, everybody gets so, everyone gets so worked up about this stuff.

00:31:14.320 I mean, now you could hear it in his voice.

00:31:15.820 Like, I mean, he was worked up, and it's like, it's okay to just think that you think the

00:31:20.460 student loan thing sucks.

00:31:21.760 That's all right.

00:31:22.840 There's a bunch.

00:31:23.380 There's a, by the way, to his point, there's a bunch of money in this bill for student loans,

00:31:26.980 and if you're getting rid of the Department of Education, it is an issue.

00:31:31.380 Now, I will tell you, do I want the Department of Education to go away?

00:31:34.800 Yes.

00:31:35.160 Yeah.

00:31:35.400 Have we had Linda McMahon on, who told us that they were working toward that end?

00:31:38.960 Have we had multiple officials from the Trump administration on to say that?

00:31:42.320 And they all say that.

00:31:42.720 They all say that.

00:31:43.540 Yeah.

00:31:43.660 Do I think that's going to happen?

00:31:45.300 The answer is no.

00:31:47.000 Do I want it to happen?

00:31:48.380 Yes.

00:31:49.000 Do I think that there are people there working to try to make it happen?

00:31:51.640 Yes.

00:31:51.960 Do I think the four-year period will end with no Department of Education in standing?

00:31:57.220 My answer to that would be no.

00:31:58.900 I don't believe that that's going to happen.

00:32:00.660 I will root for it.

00:32:02.300 I don't think it's necessarily that they don't want it to occur.

00:32:05.680 But also, if it doesn't happen under Trump, it's not going to.

00:32:10.260 That's my humble prediction.

00:32:12.040 If it doesn't happen under President Trump, it won't happen.

00:32:15.060 Let me change one word to your statement there, Pat, and see if you still agree.

00:32:19.440 If it doesn't happen under President Reagan, then it's not going to happen.

00:32:23.660 Right.

00:32:24.120 And I mean, this is before it was codified.

00:32:27.360 Yeah.

00:32:27.620 And, you know, Reagan ran on wanting to get rid of it.

00:32:33.180 And I think he really did, but it still didn't happen.

00:32:35.840 No.

00:32:36.020 It's very difficult to get these.

00:32:37.300 This is why I post things like these accounts that go to babies for $1,000.

00:32:42.220 Once they get started, they're almost impossible to get rid of.

00:32:46.440 Right.

00:32:46.700 And, you know, it's just the reality of the way this country works, unfortunately.

00:32:51.800 Yep.

00:32:51.960 So, that's where we are.

00:32:53.700 Let's go to Jackie in North Carolina.

00:32:55.680 Hey, Jackie.

00:32:56.160 Welcome.

00:32:57.020 Thank you, Pat.

00:32:57.600 Stu, I wanted to say that I think that paying taxes shows respect to those who are community

00:33:03.020 helpers.

00:33:03.620 And I think seniors, based on their assets, should pay taxes on Social Security.

00:33:07.940 And I hope people can consider hiring us.

00:33:10.340 I also think we should trade some lazy Americans for some motivated people that come here that

00:33:16.020 want to work.

00:33:19.020 You're saying as far as legal immigration, is that what you're talking about?

00:33:23.000 I think we should consider, like, you've got a month to get your stuff together, or we'll

00:33:26.720 just trade you out for somebody else for, you know, a short period of time.

00:33:31.340 And then when you get your, you know what, off your, yeah.

00:33:34.520 Yeah.

00:33:34.980 I like the self-editing there.

00:33:37.280 That was great, Jackie.

00:33:38.760 Yeah.

00:33:38.920 I mean, like, you know, that's one of the parts of the bill, which was a promise from

00:33:43.520 Donald Trump during the campaign that he would not tax Social Security.

00:33:47.520 And there's two ways to look at this.

00:33:48.760 It is weird, right, that the government has this program where they give you a bunch of

00:33:53.240 money and then they themselves tax the money they've given you, right?

00:33:57.280 It's kind of a weird process.

00:33:59.320 Very weird.

00:33:59.880 Well, because Social Security is a tax that's taken out of your paycheck, your whole life,

00:34:06.080 and then you're taxed again when they return some of it to you.

00:34:10.360 Yeah, it's weird.

00:34:11.340 It doesn't make sense.

00:34:13.600 It doesn't make sense.

00:34:14.200 It's one of those double taxes that really pisses me off.

00:34:16.840 Yeah.

00:34:17.120 It's very strange, frankly.

00:34:19.640 But, I mean, again, you know, this is, it was a promise made by President Trump.

00:34:24.400 I think, you know, I am not a fan of these little carve-out tax cuts.

00:34:31.980 I don't like a tax system that does that.

00:34:34.600 And I think, you know, it's certainly been like, generally speaking, the consensus for

00:34:38.520 conservatives for a long time was to try to avoid doing that when possible.

00:34:42.300 Yeah.

00:34:42.560 That's why, you know, the no taxes on tips thing is, it's not, I don't, it's not going

00:34:46.640 to get me all riled up.

00:34:47.500 It's a very small part of this bill.

00:34:48.840 Yeah.

00:34:49.060 It was a promise that Donald Trump made to win Nevada.

00:34:51.600 It was him purchasing the state of Nevada in the election.

00:34:54.800 By the way, I really wanted him to win the state of Nevada.

00:34:57.380 So, I liked the outcome of that.

00:35:00.500 And it worked, right?

00:35:02.160 He won the state of Nevada.

00:35:03.800 That being said, it doesn't make much sense to me.

00:35:06.920 He's a guy, I used to, I worked in a restaurant, Pat, back in the day.

00:35:09.400 Yeah.

00:35:09.700 I rocked it at Chili's for some time.

00:35:13.480 And, you know, I, of course, was one of the star servers, just delivering awesome blossoms

00:35:19.260 and chicken crispers to folks all across the South Florida area at the time.

00:35:25.720 And I was getting tip money.

00:35:28.260 Now, of course, one of the things you'll note, and of course, I never participated in this,

00:35:31.820 but not everybody claims all their tips anyway.

00:35:33.960 I got news for you.

00:35:34.920 If you've ever worked at a restaurant, the tip thing, there's already a lot of no taxes

00:35:39.240 on tips going on.

00:35:40.360 That's part one.

00:35:41.280 Part two is, as I worked out in the front, you know, getting tips, the people who were

00:35:49.560 making the awesome blossoms and the chicken crispers...

00:35:52.320 Didn't get the tips?

00:35:52.920 They didn't get the tips.

00:35:53.560 Now, there was some tip sharing.

00:35:54.720 I don't remember exactly how that worked, but generally speaking, they were more hourly

00:35:57.360 than you are when you're working as a server.

00:35:59.160 You're getting your money and tips.

00:35:59.900 And do they get more because they're not being tipped?

00:36:01.960 Higher hourly.

00:36:03.060 Higher hourly wage.

00:36:04.560 But it is strange, right, that they would get taxed on their income while the servers

00:36:11.100 would not.

00:36:12.380 True.

00:36:12.740 You know, it's a strange policy that was specifically put in for a very specific campaign

00:36:19.360 reason.

00:36:20.080 That is what it was.

00:36:21.280 Do I hate it?

00:36:22.400 I don't hate tax cuts.

00:36:24.140 I'm glad, you know, servers, as we pointed out yesterday, strippers, people who get tipped,

00:36:28.920 I'm glad they get to keep more of their money, whatever, right?

00:36:32.660 And it's not unlimited, and there's a lot of qualifications to it.

00:36:37.060 You know, the same thing, you know, I could say that for a bunch of these different clauses

00:36:40.180 when it comes to no taxes on tips and no taxes on seniors, social security, which they didn't

00:36:46.920 quite exactly do that way, but there's no point in getting into the details.

00:36:50.140 The bottom line, though, is like, I like broad-based tax cuts.

00:36:53.360 You know, I don't think we should necessarily be trying to micromanage behaviors, trying to

00:36:58.160 say, oh, well, these people with this income get this.

00:37:00.840 And, like, that, I think, is a bad road that leads to lots of lobbying and campaign promising

00:37:06.260 and things that are made for decisions that are not economic.

00:37:09.820 Yeah.

00:37:10.440 Right?

00:37:10.840 Yeah.

00:37:11.180 So, it's not my preference, but it's not the worst thing in the world.

00:37:14.620 I'm not going to lose my mind over it.

00:37:15.880 I will say this.

00:37:17.440 There's no pleasing Democrats on this because, on the one hand, all of the tax cuts were for

00:37:22.960 the wealthiest Americans.

00:37:24.060 The wealthiest 1% were the ones who got the tax cuts, despite the fact that every, every

00:37:30.280 single wage earner in America got tax cuts under Donald Trump.

00:37:34.880 And if they don't pass this bill, we're all going to get a tax increase.

00:37:39.200 So, that's one of the reasons it's important for them to pass the bill.

00:37:42.880 But, so, they hated the tax cuts to begin with.

00:37:45.880 And, now, AOC, who is a stinking socialist, and we all know that, is calling the tax on

00:37:52.540 tips, no tax on tips, a scam.

00:37:55.380 So.

00:37:55.680 Which is so weird.

00:37:56.440 It is so bizarre.

00:37:57.560 By the way, the Democrats immediately adopted that policy and supported it throughout the

00:38:01.240 campaign.

00:38:01.640 It was a campaign promise of Kamala Harris as well.

00:38:03.840 Because she just took it right from it.

00:38:04.880 She just copied it.

00:38:05.540 Right?

00:38:05.780 Yes.

00:38:06.240 So, Trump gets credit for it because it was his idea.

00:38:08.520 Yeah.

00:38:08.660 But, she also supported it.

00:38:10.080 And, the bill passed.

00:38:11.000 There was a bill on no tax on tips that passed, I think, 100 to zero.

00:38:14.340 And, now, it's a scam.

00:38:15.120 Now, it's a scam.

00:38:16.080 Okay.

00:38:16.440 Okay, fine.

00:38:17.240 Unbelievable.

00:38:18.360 The other one was no tax on overtime was the other promise that he made.

00:38:21.840 I was trying to remember.

00:38:22.900 That one's going to cost about three times as much as no tax on tips.

00:38:26.840 Oh.

00:38:27.100 And, again, like, in concept, people working hard, working extra hours.

00:38:31.340 But, again, it's not a cost.

00:38:32.940 It's not a cost, I should point out.

00:38:34.400 Yes.

00:38:34.720 That is true.

00:38:35.760 Yes.

00:38:36.020 We went through that yesterday, and I agree with that.

00:38:38.400 But, the no tax on overtime thing is, in a vacuum, right?

00:38:41.220 You're working an hourly job.

00:38:42.820 You go over 40 hours.

00:38:43.760 You get overtime.

00:38:44.440 There's no tax on that.

00:38:45.480 You love it, right?

00:38:46.560 Yes.

00:38:47.440 If your situation remains exactly the same, you love it.

00:38:50.380 Now, of course, economists are like, well, the economy will react to that.

00:38:54.560 And so, what they believe will happen, at least with some employers, is that they will lower wages and then say to essentially justify it by saying, well, you're getting more in overtime now.

00:39:08.780 So, you know, it will even out or you'll still make more, but we'll get to pay less.

00:39:14.340 Because there is all sorts of economic outcomes that come out of these policies, which is why you try to avoid these little bits and pieces and slices and just instead go broad-based.

00:39:23.260 But, again, you know, it's not going to make me cry.

00:39:26.180 I'm not going to stay up at night being like, you know, gosh, no tax on tips isn't the optimal tax policy.

00:39:30.800 I'm glad some people get a little bit more of their money, hopefully.

00:39:33.360 We'll see what happens with it.

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00:43:05.940 It's Pat and Stu.

00:43:15.180 Great to have you with us.

00:43:16.300 We did touch on this yesterday, but I'd like to reinforce it today because when your liberal son-in-law comes over to your barbecue tomorrow or on Saturday and starts complaining about the cost or the $5 trillion debt that the tax cuts,

00:43:33.320 making the tax cuts permanent is going to cause, you can tell them, that is not a cost, it doesn't increase the debt.

00:43:41.700 So, that is just me keeping more of my money.

00:43:46.220 It's not the government's money to begin with.

00:43:49.360 It is my money and they're just taking less of it.

00:43:52.620 And what it also does when tax cuts happen is increase revenue every single time.

00:43:59.080 I don't know if there's ever been a tax cut that hasn't increased the revenue.

00:44:03.060 Depends on how long you want to wait, right?

00:44:05.040 And what their argument is on this one is, oh, well, it's not as high as it would have been with the taxes being higher.

00:44:14.280 And it's like, well, I mean, obviously, these are counterfactuals.

00:44:17.340 We don't know.

00:44:18.520 We can't have multiple societies running at the same time.

00:44:21.540 The point, though, is why don't they just freaking control their spending?

00:44:25.360 Like, let's say this, Pat.

00:44:27.180 That's not going to happen.

00:44:28.180 If they cut our taxes to zero, it took zero dollars in, right?

00:44:32.480 They would have, all spending would be debt, right?

00:44:40.220 That is what they're doing, separate from what we're doing, right?

00:44:43.820 Right.

00:44:43.980 If they take all of our money, they'd have lots and lots of money.

00:44:48.640 But if they increase the spending past what we gave them, it would still be debt.

00:44:53.760 However, if they took all of our money, the economy wouldn't be that great.

00:44:57.100 No?

00:44:57.460 You know?

00:44:57.860 Yeah.

00:44:58.240 No.

00:44:58.660 I don't know.

00:44:59.260 It'd be really, really bad.

00:45:00.300 Look at how the Soviet Union is thriving.

00:45:02.420 Oh, wow.

00:45:03.400 They're doing great.

00:45:04.560 Aren't they, though?

00:45:05.680 Yeah.

00:45:06.180 Yeah.

00:45:06.880 I haven't heard from them in a while.

00:45:08.560 Not like 34 years or so it's been.

00:45:11.880 Yeah.

00:45:12.420 Really?

00:45:12.640 Since the mid and early 90s.

00:45:13.700 We'll have to check on them.

00:45:14.800 Yeah.

00:45:15.100 Does somebody put a mirror up to their nose and see if they're still breathing?

00:45:18.900 Wellness check.

00:45:20.580 This is Glenn Beck.

00:45:35.660 This was shocking to me.

00:45:37.360 I'm going to be on after this program with Megyn Kelly.

00:45:40.640 Oh.

00:45:40.880 Well, what is Megyn Kelly doing working on July 3rd?

00:45:44.420 That's a really good question.

00:45:45.700 That's a really good question.

00:45:47.000 I can answer my first question to her in the interview.

00:45:47.820 I mean, you could say the same thing about us.

00:45:49.940 Right.

00:45:50.300 But it's, for her, it's even more.

00:45:53.320 But I mean, technically on this show, I obviously am on the show regularly.

00:45:57.240 You have your show, Pat Gray Unleashed.

00:45:58.800 But Pat Gray Unleashed is not airing today.

00:46:00.760 That's true.

00:46:01.280 Studios America is not airing today.

00:46:02.940 We are filling in here on this particular program.

00:46:05.820 Yes.

00:46:06.120 And Megyn just like rocking her normal show on July 3rd.

00:46:09.400 Crazy.

00:46:10.080 I mean.

00:46:10.640 That's crazy.

00:46:11.440 There's a lot of news going on.

00:46:12.760 You know, I know Glenn would love to be here to talk about it as well.

00:46:15.460 But like, I guess, I guess maybe that's it.

00:46:17.940 Something came up.

00:46:19.600 Yeah.

00:46:19.840 He's busy.

00:46:20.080 I guess something came up.

00:46:20.900 He's busy.

00:46:21.340 He's busy.

00:46:21.640 He's busy.

00:46:21.960 Unlike Hillary.

00:46:22.720 Right.

00:46:22.920 Who does care?

00:46:23.360 Who does care?

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00:47:25.440 Something we didn't get to on the show yesterday.

00:47:27.440 The University of Pennsylvania actually apologized for allowing a male to compete against female athletes.

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00:47:38.440 It's pretty incredible.

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00:48:57.440 Who would have thought an Ivy League school would cave like this?

00:49:04.440 I certainly didn't.

00:49:05.440 I did not.

00:49:06.440 I didn't see this one coming.

00:49:08.440 This is great.

00:49:09.440 You know, we were just talking last hour about how powerful President Trump is.

00:49:14.440 Here's another indication of that.

00:49:16.440 To get an apology and a change in policy out of the University of Pennsylvania, you know,

00:49:24.440 probably helps that he attended the University of Pennsylvania, too.

00:49:27.440 I don't know.

00:49:28.440 He went to the Board and Business School at UPenn.

00:49:31.440 So, maybe that had something to do with it?

00:49:33.440 Maybe, but he's had this situation with other Ivy League schools.

00:49:37.440 I mean, this has not been uncommon.

00:49:39.440 This has not been uncommon.

00:49:40.440 He's just plain winning a lot of these issues, especially the last month or so.

00:49:46.440 He has won virtually every showdown that he has faced.

00:49:50.440 But transgender athletes at the University of Pennsylvania will no longer be able to compete for the school's women's teams.

00:49:58.440 What a concept.

00:49:59.440 Following a new agreement between the university and the U.S. Department of Education.

00:50:04.440 The university will also strip transgender competitors of historical credit for past accomplishments in the form of program awards or records.

00:50:14.440 So, all the times when Leah Thomas beat females in competitions and she won a national championship in swimming, that goes away.

00:50:27.440 Now, I don't know if the NCAA is going to do the same thing.

00:50:30.440 I kind of doubt it.

00:50:31.440 I don't think they have yet.

00:50:33.440 But as far as UPenn is concerned, it didn't happen.

00:50:38.440 They've taken all of that away, and so they've changed the records.

00:50:44.440 Under the agreement, they agreed to restore to female athletes all individual Penn Division I swimming records, titles, or similar recognitions, which were misappropriated by male athletes allowed to compete in female categories.

00:50:59.440 I don't know how many male athletes have competed at UPenn other than Leah Thomas, but they say athletes plural here.

00:51:08.440 Today's resolution agreement with UPenn is yet another example of the Trump effect in action.

00:51:14.440 Thanks to the leadership of President Trump, Penn has agreed to both apologize for its past Title IX violations and to ensure that women's sports are protected at the university for future generations of female athletes.

00:51:27.440 Today is a great victory for women and girls, not only at the University of Pennsylvania, but all across our nation.

00:51:34.440 Pretty stunning, really.

00:51:36.440 Pretty stunning.

00:51:37.440 Sure is.

00:51:38.440 Sure is.

00:51:39.440 Especially when there's no scientific evidence whatsoever that males are better at sports than females.

00:51:45.440 Right.

00:51:46.440 There's no reason to do this.

00:51:47.440 No.

00:51:48.440 Because here's a woman competing against other women, right?

00:51:53.440 Right.

00:51:54.440 Yeah, she used to be a man, but that gives her no special advantage.

00:51:58.440 No special advantage.

00:51:59.440 And was she ever really a man?

00:52:00.440 That's my question, Pat.

00:52:01.440 Mm-hmm.

00:52:02.440 Uh-huh.

00:52:03.440 Because, you know, she was certainly born in the wrong body.

00:52:07.440 Oh, thank you.

00:52:08.440 Okay.

00:52:09.440 She was born in the wrong body.

00:52:10.440 Thank you for acknowledging that.

00:52:11.440 Exactly.

00:52:12.440 And actually, the real crime-

00:52:13.440 Was forced to compete against men for a time.

00:52:16.440 That's the crime.

00:52:17.440 And didn't do well there.

00:52:19.440 No.

00:52:20.440 Like, last place in competitions.

00:52:21.440 Like, wasn't good at all.

00:52:22.440 And, uh-

00:52:23.440 Why?

00:52:24.440 Because-

00:52:25.440 It was a she.

00:52:26.440 She.

00:52:27.440 He was a she.

00:52:28.440 But we should also note, there's no difference.

00:52:30.440 There's no-

00:52:31.440 We should note that.

00:52:32.440 We should note that.

00:52:33.440 There's no difference whatsoever.

00:52:34.440 No scientific evidence at all-

00:52:35.440 None.

00:52:36.440 No.

00:52:37.440 Has ever been produced.

00:52:38.440 I've got some circumstantial sort of-

00:52:42.440 Oh, gosh.

00:52:43.440 Here we go.

00:52:44.440 Situational-

00:52:45.440 Can we do some science, Pat?

00:52:46.440 All right, give me your-

00:52:47.440 All right.

00:52:48.440 Give me your anecdotal evidence, quote unquote.

00:52:50.440 Okay.

00:52:51.440 I've never-

00:52:52.440 This is all anecdotal.

00:52:53.440 You're right.

00:52:54.440 I've never noticed it.

00:52:55.440 I've never noticed it in my entire life.

00:52:56.440 That there's any difference between men and women in sports?

00:52:58.440 No difference at all.

00:52:59.440 That's been my experience.

00:53:01.440 But maybe you have some evidence that will change my mind.

00:53:03.440 Well, we've just recently seen the total destruction of the women's Swiss national

00:53:08.440 soccer team, who lost to an under 15.

00:53:11.440 So these are 14 and under boys.

00:53:16.440 And they just beat the women's Swiss national team seven to one.

00:53:21.440 Which is a brutal beating in soccer.

00:53:25.440 One to nothing is a brutal beating in soccer.

00:53:28.440 Yes.

00:53:29.440 Seven to one is like-

00:53:30.440 The worst defeat in the history-

00:53:32.440 Catastrophic.

00:53:33.440 Of the sport.

00:53:34.440 It's like 150 to nothing in football.

00:53:36.440 Yes.

00:53:37.440 In the first quarter.

00:53:38.440 Yes.

00:53:39.440 Yes.

00:53:40.440 Seven goals.

00:53:41.440 Seven goals.

00:53:42.440 And people don't realize this, but in the entire history of MLS, Major League Soccer,

00:53:47.440 there has never been seven goals scored if you add up all the games.

00:53:51.440 Probably true.

00:53:52.440 Oh, you add them all together?

00:53:53.440 Yes.

00:53:54.440 Yes.

00:53:55.440 You add up all the games together.

00:53:56.440 There have never been seven goals.

00:53:57.440 Wow.

00:53:58.440 So that-

00:53:59.440 So it's even worse than I thought.

00:54:00.440 It's significant.

00:54:01.440 But that doesn't mean anything because it's just anecdotal.

00:54:03.440 Right.

00:54:04.440 Anecdotal.

00:54:05.440 In 2015, you might remember the U.S. Women's National Team.

00:54:08.440 The U.S. Women's National Team.

00:54:10.440 A good team.

00:54:11.440 A high-level team for women.

00:54:12.440 High-level.

00:54:13.440 Like, number one in the world.

00:54:15.440 Okay.

00:54:16.440 Number one.

00:54:17.440 Number one in the world at the time.

00:54:19.440 Lost to the FC Dallas Boys Under-15 team.

00:54:24.440 Under 15 years old.

00:54:25.440 They lost five to two.

00:54:26.440 Which again, it's another slaughter.

00:54:28.440 Destruction.

00:54:29.440 Yes.

00:54:30.440 Yes.

00:54:31.440 Five to two.

00:54:32.440 Five to two.

00:54:33.440 To the under-

00:54:34.440 15 year olds.

00:54:35.440 And what was the qualifier?

00:54:36.440 The Dallas-

00:54:37.440 The FC Dallas Boys Team.

00:54:39.440 FC.

00:54:40.440 So not-

00:54:41.440 It's not even a national team.

00:54:42.440 It's not even a state team.

00:54:43.440 It's not even a state team.

00:54:44.440 No.

00:54:45.440 It's a FC Dallas-

00:54:46.440 Dallas team.

00:54:47.440 Under-15 year old.

00:54:48.440 Which I'm sure they're really good.

00:54:49.440 I'm sure they are.

00:54:50.440 Yeah.

00:54:51.440 Again, if Pat and I put together a squad of-

00:54:55.440 We put Steve Dace and Jason Whitlock and Glenn Beck on a team.

00:54:58.440 Glenn Beck.

00:54:59.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:00.440 Like, you know-

00:55:01.440 They'd probably beat us.

00:55:02.440 They'd kick our ass.

00:55:03.440 The women's team would probably beat us.

00:55:04.440 However, that's not how the comparison should go.

00:55:06.440 No.

00:55:07.440 You'd think that-

00:55:08.440 No.

00:55:09.440 You'd want to show that there was an advantage.

00:55:11.440 Mm-hmm.

00:55:12.440 I mean, you almost wonder why do these women's teams agree to these contests?

00:55:16.440 I know.

00:55:17.440 Why?

00:55:18.440 The reason they do it is to train against good competition.

00:55:23.440 Right.

00:55:24.440 You know?

00:55:25.440 This probably does help improve their performance.

00:55:26.440 Yeah.

00:55:27.440 Yeah.

00:55:28.440 That's the thing.

00:55:29.440 There's no scientific evidence.

00:55:30.440 Right.

00:55:31.440 I don't know why they think it would help them.

00:55:32.440 That's stupid.

00:55:33.440 I don't know.

00:55:34.440 It's dumb to want to play against boys.

00:55:35.440 Maybe it's just soccer.

00:55:36.440 Maybe that's not a good example.

00:55:37.440 Okay.

00:55:38.440 Let's go to tennis.

00:55:39.440 Okay.

00:55:40.440 Let's talk about Serena Williams.

00:55:41.440 Yeah.

00:55:42.440 Wow.

00:55:43.440 She's fantastic.

00:55:44.440 One of the best tennis players of all time.

00:55:45.440 Number one tennis player in the world.

00:55:46.440 She's probably the greatest female tennis player of all time.

00:55:49.440 Arguably.

00:55:50.440 Yeah.

00:55:51.440 I think Navratilova.

00:55:52.440 Navratilova.

00:55:53.440 Chris Everett.

00:55:54.440 You know.

00:55:55.440 Billie Jean King.

00:55:56.440 Steffi Graff.

00:55:57.440 There's a few.

00:55:58.440 They've got a case.

00:55:59.440 She's up there.

00:56:00.440 For sure.

00:56:01.440 You can make the case that she's top five.

00:56:02.440 Sure.

00:56:03.440 Definitely.

00:56:04.440 Yeah.

00:56:05.440 She was the number one player in the world when she was on David Letterman's show to

00:56:09.440 talk about because David Letterman brought up the number one men's player in the world.

00:56:14.440 And here's what she said.

00:56:16.440 Men's tennis and women's tennis are completely almost two separate sports.

00:56:19.440 So I'm like, if I were to play Andy Murray, I would lose 6-0, 6-0 in five to six minutes,

00:56:26.440 maybe 10 minutes.

00:56:27.440 In five to six minutes, maybe 10 minutes, she loses 6-0, 6-0.

00:56:32.440 No, it's true.

00:56:34.440 Honestly, really?

00:56:35.440 It's a completely different sport.

00:56:37.440 The men are a lot faster.

00:56:39.440 Wait, what?

00:56:40.440 And they serve harder.

00:56:42.440 They hit harder.

00:56:43.440 It's just a different game.

00:56:44.440 It's so amazing.

00:56:46.440 There's not incredible.

00:56:47.440 There's so much about that clip.

00:56:48.440 You've played it before, probably years ago now.

00:56:50.440 Yep.

00:56:51.440 But it had been a while since I've heard it.

00:56:52.440 What's interesting about it is like, she's completely comfortable admitting it.

00:56:57.440 She's talking about it.

00:56:58.440 She knows.

00:56:59.440 She's saying something that she believes is very obvious.

00:57:01.440 She's not pretending that women are the same as men.

00:57:03.440 She's not even pretending.

00:57:05.440 And she's not like a hardcore conservative, we should point out.

00:57:07.440 Oh, no.

00:57:08.440 But what's interesting also about it is both David Letterman and seemingly the audience

00:57:13.440 are very uncomfortable with her making this point.

00:57:15.440 They were.

00:57:16.440 Wait a minute.

00:57:17.440 Even in 2013.

00:57:18.440 Are we allowed to agree with this?

00:57:19.440 Yeah.

00:57:20.440 And this is 12 years ago.

00:57:21.440 You didn't realize this 12 years ago?

00:57:23.440 Come on.

00:57:24.440 Come on.

00:57:25.440 Now, the other incredible thing here is that she's saying this when there's no scientific

00:57:30.440 evidence whatsoever that it's true.

00:57:33.440 She did have some other anecdotal evidence, however.

00:57:36.440 Okay.

00:57:37.440 Because Andy Murray at the time, he was the number one man in the world.

00:57:41.440 Okay.

00:57:42.440 It's not fair to play the number one men's tennis player in the world.

00:57:47.440 Now, why would it not be fair?

00:57:49.440 Because there's no scientific evidence to support that there's a difference between these

00:57:53.440 two genders.

00:57:54.440 But okay.

00:57:55.440 She did have some anecdotal evidence because back in 1998, Serena and her sister Venus

00:58:02.440 were in a clubhouse at a tennis club bragging about the fact that they could beat any men's

00:58:08.440 player outside the top 200 in the world.

00:58:12.440 Now, again, if there was no difference, you wouldn't need to have the qualifier of the

00:58:17.440 top 200 in the world.

00:58:18.440 That's exactly right.

00:58:19.440 But that's still quite a statement.

00:58:20.440 Yes.

00:58:21.440 Interestingly, Karsten Brosh, the 203rd ranked tennis player in men's tennis at the time.

00:58:30.440 Who I will say, other than this story, have never heard of.

00:58:34.440 Never heard of Karsten Brosh.

00:58:35.440 Right.

00:58:36.440 He overheard them say that.

00:58:38.440 And he said, you know what?

00:58:39.440 I'll take you up on that.

00:58:40.440 Let's see about that.

00:58:42.440 And they did.

00:58:43.440 And Karsten Brosh crushed Serena 6-1 and then thrashed Venus 6-2.

00:58:50.440 Now, at the time, Venus was a little bit higher ranked than Serena.

00:58:54.440 She was number five in the world.

00:58:56.440 Serena, I think, was number 20 in the world.

00:59:00.440 But they were teenagers.

00:59:01.440 They were like 18 and 20 or something at the time.

00:59:04.440 But he demolished them.

00:59:06.440 And he said afterwards, I really, I really didn't play my hardest because he didn't have to.

00:59:11.440 I mean, I'm surprised he didn't play him left handed.

00:59:14.440 But it's not difficult to find these anecdotal stories.

00:59:21.440 But again, these are not.

00:59:24.440 This is not scientific proof.

00:59:26.440 It's just anecdotal evidence.

00:59:28.440 And you can take it with a grain of salt.

00:59:31.440 Yeah.

00:59:32.440 Let me give you some more anecdotal evidence before, because I know there's no science here.

00:59:36.440 But let me give you one another piece of anecdotal evidence I stumbled upon yesterday.

00:59:39.440 Allison Felix.

00:59:41.440 She's an Olympic runner.

00:59:43.440 She ran a personal best 49.26 seconds in the 400 meter at the 2015 Beijing World Championships.

00:59:50.440 That's impressive.

00:59:51.440 That's fast.

00:59:52.440 Impressive.

00:59:53.440 Now, neither you or I, Pat, could challenge that number.

00:59:55.440 No.

00:59:56.440 Wouldn't that be close?

00:59:57.440 We couldn't.

00:59:58.440 Maybe even in our cars.

01:00:00.440 Okay.

01:00:01.440 Yeah.

01:00:02.440 You're a fast person.

01:00:03.440 Mm-hmm.

01:00:04.440 However.

01:00:05.440 In a Tesla, you can maybe challenge that.

01:00:06.440 Yeah.

01:00:07.440 You can maybe do that.

01:00:08.440 Yeah.

01:00:09.440 However, in one year, that number, 49.26 seconds for the 400 meter, was beaten over 15,000 times

01:00:18.440 by men and boys.

01:00:21.440 But just the 15,000.

01:00:23.440 Okay.

01:00:24.440 It wasn't 15 million.

01:00:26.440 15,000 in recorded events.

01:00:27.440 Obviously, it happened a lot more in practice.

01:00:29.440 Yeah.

01:00:30.440 But 15,000 in recorded events.

01:00:32.440 Okay.

01:00:33.440 Now, that's an Olympic runner.

01:00:35.440 Mm-hmm.

01:00:36.440 Really, really impressive.

01:00:37.440 Yeah.

01:00:38.440 15,000 times in one year, it was beaten.

01:00:41.440 Okay.

01:00:42.440 So, that's just a minor thing.

01:00:44.440 But not science.

01:00:45.440 That's not science.

01:00:46.440 No, it's not science.

01:00:47.440 USA Today just told us this year, there is no scientific evidence that supports the

01:00:53.440 fact that men are better at sports than women or boys are better than girls.

01:00:56.440 And you can also look at every record in track and field.

01:01:00.440 Yes.

01:01:01.440 And you will also see a difference between men and women.

01:01:04.440 But again, that's just anecdotal.

01:01:05.440 Anecdotal.

01:01:06.440 Like you said, it's not scientific evidence.

01:01:08.440 Now, I have one other piece of evidence I want to bring to you.

01:01:12.440 Okay.

01:01:13.440 Mm-hmm.

01:01:14.440 And if you could just, you have your library with you, just pull this out real quick.

01:01:17.440 It's the Journal of Applied Physiology, Volume 138, Issue 2.

01:01:26.440 All right.

01:01:27.440 And that's, of course, January 2020.

01:01:29.440 The Journal of Applied Physiology.

01:01:30.440 And just flip that, if you could, real quick to pages 274 to 281.

01:01:35.440 As you're getting that ready, we'll take a quick 60-second break.

01:01:38.440 And then I'll let you know if there happens to be any science that supports this idea.

01:01:42.440 Okay.

01:01:43.440 But we know there's not.

01:01:44.440 Well, I mean, that's what USA Today said.

01:01:45.440 This is going to be a futile effort, obviously.

01:01:47.440 Of course, I'm sure.

01:01:48.440 Yeah.

01:01:49.440 All right.

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01:03:03.440 We are doing the sexy programming here today, getting the ratings with Journal of Applied

01:03:10.440 Physiology, Volume 138, Issue 1, January 2025, pages 274 to 281.

01:03:15.440 Read along.

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01:03:18.440 Oh, yeah.

01:03:19.440 This is the sort of programming that we like.

01:03:22.440 Okay.

01:03:23.440 This is what the summary of the study says.

01:03:25.440 Again, there's no science to support it.

01:03:27.440 This is the summary of the study.

01:03:29.440 There are profound sex differences in human performance in athletic events determined

01:03:36.440 by strength, speed, power, endurance, and body size such that males outperform females,

01:03:46.440 period.

01:03:48.440 I'm helping with the punctuation because you can't read.

01:03:50.440 If you don't have the journal in front of you, you might not be reading.

01:03:53.440 Don't you let me know.

01:03:54.440 That was the end of the sentence.

01:03:55.440 Okay.

01:03:56.440 These sex differences in athletic performance exist before puberty and increase dramatically

01:04:03.440 as puberty progresses.

01:04:05.440 These sex differences are markedly greater in magnitude than the advantages that policy-making

01:04:11.440 bodies seek to eliminate when they regulate equipment or drugs that could enhance performance.

01:04:18.440 And that's a really important part of this because one of the arguments they will say is like,

01:04:21.440 okay, maybe there is a difference.

01:04:22.440 The people that will admit it, but they'll say, well, if you start taking hormones or

01:04:26.440 stop taking them.

01:04:27.440 Yeah.

01:04:28.440 If you, if you change, you know, we'll, we'll change equipment.

01:04:31.440 We'll change.

01:04:32.440 Not all that is outweighed by just the fact that dudes do better at these things than women

01:04:37.440 do.

01:04:38.440 There's seven points that they make to summarize this.

01:04:41.440 Uh, males outperform females in athletic events dependent on skeletal muscle strength, speed,

01:04:46.440 power, and performance.

01:04:47.440 Male female performance gap is evident before puberty.

01:04:50.440 Male female performance gap increases after the onset of puberty is, uh, associated with

01:04:56.440 changes in body structure, physiology, and function.

01:04:59.440 Um, surge, uh, in testosterone among males is the principal driver of increased male female

01:05:06.440 performance gap in adults change in female body during puberty and female physiology during

01:05:12.440 athletic career can contribute to male female performance gap.

01:05:15.440 Testosterone suppression modestly reduces athletic performance, but a large significant male female

01:05:23.440 performance gap remains when females use testosterone after puberty and train for sports.

01:05:29.440 Athletic performance is enhanced, but the male female performance gap does not close.

01:05:35.440 Not close.

01:05:37.440 Period.

01:05:38.440 That's the end of that sentence.

01:05:39.440 In case you were wondering.

01:05:41.440 I was.

01:05:42.440 Thank you for that.

01:05:43.440 And I always kind of felt that maybe they're, they might be right when they say that there's

01:05:47.440 no science that says it because there would never be a need to have a study that would

01:05:52.440 tell you this.

01:05:53.440 You've got so much evidence.

01:05:54.440 Everyone knows it.

01:05:55.440 Your eyes.

01:05:56.440 All human beings are aware of this fact.

01:05:58.440 Every record.

01:05:59.440 Every record.

01:06:00.440 Every example.

01:06:01.440 Every piece of evidence.

01:06:02.440 And here's the other thing.

01:06:05.440 How many trans women, you know, women now switching over to being a man, taking testosterone,

01:06:12.440 all of those things.

01:06:13.440 How many of them are competing against men in men's sports?

01:06:17.440 To my knowledge, it's zero.

01:06:19.440 When you get to the professional level, it's zero.

01:06:21.440 Zero.

01:06:22.440 I don't see it anywhere.

01:06:24.440 I mean, so I've mentioned this example before.

01:06:26.440 My son plays a relatively high level baseball and he is, you know, it was in a tournament

01:06:33.440 and one of the really good teams in this tournament had a girl on it.

01:06:37.440 And this is, I think, 12 year old levels.

01:06:39.440 And she was a pitcher.

01:06:41.440 She threw harder than most players in the tournament, like was, was legitimately impressive

01:06:48.440 and want to actually hit an over the fence home run in this tournament where there was

01:06:53.440 maybe three or four hit in the entire tournament.

01:06:55.440 Like really, really good.

01:06:57.440 Yeah.

01:06:58.440 Now at some point, now this is, we're talking about the best female baseball player, certainly

01:07:03.440 in this area, who's one person who was able to rise to a level where she's competitive

01:07:09.440 with a bunch of other 12 year old boys.

01:07:11.440 She's very, very good player.

01:07:12.440 This is not going to last.

01:07:14.440 Now when puberty happens, that's going to change.

01:07:16.440 That's going to change.

01:07:17.440 Right.

01:07:18.440 She's going to get to a place where, and I don't know what her future is, probably playing

01:07:20.440 softball and probably an excellent girl softball player.

01:07:23.440 Uh, but right now she's able to compete in that level and good for her.

01:07:26.440 And you know what?

01:07:27.440 There wasn't any dad that I saw was like, damn it.

01:07:30.440 No, get her out of here.

01:07:32.440 She's beating up on, on the boys because girls are superior at the sport than boys.

01:07:37.440 Nobody complained.

01:07:38.440 It's not even honestly changing genders.

01:07:41.440 It's the competition aspect.

01:07:43.440 Yeah.

01:07:44.440 It's taking opportunities away from women.

01:07:45.440 Yes.

01:07:46.440 When they, and girls.

01:07:47.440 After they've worked their whole lives to get to where they were.

01:07:50.440 And then you got it stolen by some guy who can't compete against the men.

01:07:54.440 Now he's competing against you.

01:07:55.440 It's just so unfair.

01:07:57.440 It's wrong.

01:07:58.440 Not to mention, we should point out a big part of this was the fact that Leah Thomas

01:08:03.440 was getting dressed in the same room.

01:08:05.440 Yeah.

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01:09:46.440 This is kind of an addendum to what we were talking about on the trans issue with the men

01:09:52.440 competing against women.

01:09:55.440 Also sort of adjacent to that, a little issue in Houston, Beller High School.

01:10:02.440 The parents of a student there have filed a federal lawsuit against Houston Independent School

01:10:08.440 district because they violated their constitutional rights by continuing to refer to their daughter

01:10:15.440 as a boy at school without their knowledge or consent.

01:10:20.440 So this started, I guess, when she was a freshman and the school started participating in her transition,

01:10:29.440 intergender transition, started referring to her as he instead of she, renamed her.

01:10:38.440 They won't say because they're trying to protect, obviously, the privacy of the student, but went from a female name to a typical male name.

01:10:48.440 The parents found out about it at some point during the school year and went to the school system,

01:10:54.440 wrote them letters, visited the principal, the teachers, told them to stop.

01:10:59.440 This is our daughter.

01:11:01.440 This is not our son.

01:11:02.440 Stop transitioning her at school.

01:11:06.440 This is this is like these are really crazy requests by the parents.

01:11:11.440 Can you believe it?

01:11:12.440 I can't micromanaging what flavor goldfish are being brought in.

01:11:17.440 And now this this is what it gets to.

01:11:19.440 It's unbelievable.

01:11:21.440 You have to make that point.

01:11:22.440 Houston, Texas, and it's not Texas, New York City.

01:11:25.440 It's not Los Angeles, California.

01:11:27.440 It's Houston, Texas.

01:11:28.440 You lived in Houston.

01:11:29.440 Yes, for eight years.

01:11:30.440 And you would, I think, agree that it's not exactly the city itself is not exactly a conservative place,

01:11:37.440 even though people around the country might hear Texas and think, oh, I can't believe this is happening in this conservative location.

01:11:43.440 A lot of these cities in Texas are very liberal.

01:11:45.440 They are.

01:11:46.440 Yeah.

01:11:47.440 Dallas, Houston, San Antonio.

01:11:48.440 They're all run by Democrats.

01:11:50.440 So although Dallas, I think did the did the mayor in Dallas, he switched to Republican.

01:11:57.440 Right.

01:11:58.440 So, I mean, that's an amazing that's an amazing development that he switched from the Democrat Party.

01:12:03.440 But anyway, yeah, the inner cities, even in Texas, are run by Democrats.

01:12:08.440 But this is in Bel Air.

01:12:10.440 I mean, it's kind of away from the urban center of the city a little bit.

01:12:15.440 And you would think, all right, well, this is a little bit more conservative area.

01:12:20.440 And you'd be wrong because they're doing this to these parents and they're pissed off.

01:12:26.440 And I mean, this is why this is why we homeschooled for 23 years just because of this kind of stuff.

01:12:34.440 You just I mean, the things that are going on in public schools right now, and there are some great public schools and there are some great public school teachers.

01:12:42.440 But there's also this kind of stuff happening that you just can't abide.

01:12:49.440 I mean, you at this point, you don't just do the lawsuit, but you take your child out of that school system, don't you?

01:12:57.440 I mean, I would.

01:12:58.440 Well, we did.

01:12:59.440 Yeah.

01:13:00.440 And it was less.

01:13:01.440 It was for less reason than this.

01:13:03.440 Not even close.

01:13:04.440 We weren't at that point at all.

01:13:06.440 Right.

01:13:07.440 I did the same.

01:13:08.440 My kids go to private school.

01:13:10.440 And, you know, I think the conservative movement made a mistake for a couple of decades focusing too much on colleges.

01:13:20.440 Yeah.

01:13:21.440 Where again, like, you know, universities are important.

01:13:24.440 It's an important part.

01:13:25.440 Yes, it's true.

01:13:26.440 A lot of our lawmakers, a lot of our elite professions are run almost entirely by Democrats educated at universities that are taught by professors that are almost entirely Democrats and left wing.

01:13:41.440 And honestly, Democrats doesn't even say it.

01:13:43.440 Right. Like they're a lot of them are just like they're like Mom Donnie clones.

01:13:47.440 That being said, and that is important.

01:13:50.440 Most people aren't.

01:13:51.440 They don't even go through that.

01:13:53.440 Like, you know, if they go to college, they go to a much less prestigious university than something that is in the Ivy Leagues.

01:14:01.440 And and they might still get a lot of left wing thought pumped into them.

01:14:07.440 I mean, that does still happen.

01:14:08.440 But like creating a foundation earlier in the kid's life is really, really important.

01:14:15.440 And it's something that was ignored for a long time, honestly, probably until covid.

01:14:20.440 And now there was always a bubbling around idea of something like school choice.

01:14:24.440 It was always a conservative policy.

01:14:25.440 It was a priority.

01:14:26.440 It was something that I fought for.

01:14:28.440 You fought for.

01:14:29.440 Glenn fought for for a long time.

01:14:30.440 But honestly, I didn't see much.

01:14:33.440 There wasn't a lot of appetite for this in lawmaking circles that, you know, they'd entertain it.

01:14:40.440 It would be talked about at think tanks, but it wasn't nothing would happen.

01:14:43.440 Nothing would happen until covid.

01:14:44.440 And the world has changed in a big way.

01:14:47.440 I mean, Texas just added a big program.

01:14:49.440 New Hampshire has a program.

01:14:50.440 I think it's, you know, it's it's over a dozen states might be a couple dozen states now where this has some version of school choice has been proposed.

01:15:00.440 And passed.

01:15:01.440 And so this is changing.

01:15:03.440 There's now opportunities for for you in a lot of these states.

01:15:06.440 If you have kids and you don't necessarily have the funds to direct them into a private school or for whatever reason, you're not able to do homeschooling, which is an awesome option as well.

01:15:16.440 You can now redirect the money that you're already paying for schools.

01:15:21.440 I have my entire life paid for both private school and public school for my kids.

01:15:26.440 They just don't use the public school part of it.

01:15:29.440 And if you don't have the, you know, if you don't have the funds to do that for whatever reason, now there are plans that can help you with that in a lot of these states.

01:15:36.440 And I can't encourage it enough.

01:15:40.440 Homeschooling.

01:15:41.440 Awesome.

01:15:42.440 If you can do that.

01:15:43.440 If that's not up your alley, private school, finding the right private school, not just any private school, but finding the right private school.

01:15:51.440 And we send our kids to a Christian school, the same thing, man, it makes a massive difference.

01:15:56.440 I can't tell you.

01:15:57.440 I mean, I've had a few friends who have kind of converted where I had their kids in public school, brought them over to private school.

01:16:03.440 They rave and rave and rave and rave about it.

01:16:06.440 It changes the way your kids are.

01:16:10.440 They marinate in goodness, you know, faith, you know, things that you just don't get in a lot of these public schools.

01:16:19.440 And that does not mean that there aren't great teachers there that are trying their best.

01:16:23.440 And thank God they're there doing that.

01:16:25.440 But there are other options.

01:16:27.440 And I think like addressing that, I say when we first put our kids in in private school, the I remember that my thought process, which was, you know, things are going pretty well with the show.

01:16:38.440 You know, things are gone.

01:16:39.440 Well, like we can afford to do this.

01:16:42.440 We're blessed to be able to do that.

01:16:44.440 And we're going to do it.

01:16:45.440 And, you know, worst case scenario, if things, you know, break down, you know, Glenn starts drinking again or whatever.

01:16:50.440 Which, you know, we always think is 50 50 at any given week, any moment, any moment, you know, and things break apart and whatever career falls apart, whatever it is.

01:17:00.440 The story is we still live in a good town and we can always put them in public school.

01:17:05.440 I have completely converted from that way of thinking to now saying, like, it's the best money I spend every year.

01:17:12.440 I will live under a bridge and I will put them in this school or, you know, school like if we ever were to move before putting them back in public school.

01:17:24.440 And a part of that is just that the environment has changed quite a bit in public schools.

01:17:28.440 But part of it is just seeing, I think, the change.

01:17:31.440 You know, you see your kids and they're there.

01:17:33.440 They really are different.

01:17:34.440 I mean, if you think about how, you know, homeschooling, there's a great argument for homeschooling, which is you're raising your kids and you are giving up your kids for a lot of their hours that they're awake to somebody else to sort of raise.

01:17:53.440 Right. Like when when they go to a public school or a private school.

01:17:57.440 So that decision is really, really important.

01:17:59.440 And and doing that yourself is obviously optimal for a lot of people.

01:18:04.440 But like it's the same thing when you think about the difference between public school and private school.

01:18:09.440 What environment are you sending them to for half of the hours they're awake every day?

01:18:13.440 And if you don't expect that to have any influence on them, I got news for you.

01:18:17.440 I mean, you probably worry about the influence a television program would have on them. Right.

01:18:21.440 Oh, yeah. You know, the music they're listening to. Yep.

01:18:24.440 You probably worry about that stuff. And then a lot of people just kind of think, well, this is my option.

01:18:29.440 I'm going to send to this school. Hopefully there's another option for you.

01:18:31.440 There is not for everybody, but we're working on that and working the right direction to make it more of a possibility for everybody to be able to choose the school that they want to go to.

01:18:39.440 And it's a great that's a great thing that's happened since COVID.

01:18:42.440 It's critical. Yeah. Let's go to Russ in New York.

01:18:45.440 Hey, Russ, you're on the Glenn Beck program with Pat and Stu.

01:18:48.440 Hey, good morning. How are you guys? Good.

01:18:50.440 Well, thanks. I'm a seven time member of the U.S. bobsled team.

01:18:54.440 I did skeleton one man on your stomach head first.

01:18:57.440 Oh, my gosh. That looks cool.

01:19:00.440 That looks like you're just heading towards certain death.

01:19:03.440 Yeah. Well, I'd rather be a bobsledder than a sore loser.

01:19:07.440 Anyway, that's a Olympic humor there. I like it.

01:19:12.440 Yeah. Ten years after I retired, I went up to watch a race and one of the young guns said, hey, come on, you know, let's see what you got.

01:19:19.440 All right. Challenge accepted. Now, I hadn't been on a sled in 10 years, took three training runs on a track that I had never been on before and raced and came in 11th in the national championships.

01:19:31.440 However, if I would have raced in the women's national championship, I would have won the race by over a second, been the national champion and been the USA one slider in the next year's season.

01:19:44.440 That is phenomenal. That is amazing.

01:19:48.440 That's incredible. I mean, is there any part of you, Russ, that's like, you know, I could put on a wig.

01:19:55.440 I mean, this would be incredible. Give it a shot. Do a little conversion and see if you can win a gold.

01:20:01.440 Thank God East Ventura didn't come out until after that. I really didn't want to do an Einhorn.

01:20:08.440 Thanks, Russ. Appreciate it. That's awesome.

01:20:11.440 Again, like I, there's nothing wrong with women's sports. I freaking love watching Caitlin Clark play. Like I really do enjoy it. You know, I have a daughter who's in gymnastics. She's great. Like she does great. You know, she's incredible gymnast. She does things that I could never even conceive of doing. I mean, I mean that legitimately. I can't even conceive of the stuff that she actually does. But like, you know, there's a real place for women's sports and it's great. But why can't we just admit things that are true?

01:20:37.580 Yeah. Right. That's all we're asking. Exactly. And it's why there are women's sports. Yep. Right. You wouldn't need them. That's why we separate the men from the women.

01:20:47.000 Because that would be the logical solution here, Pat, right? Yeah. Just let everybody play together. There's no WNBA. There's just an NBA. Right.

01:20:52.360 And when Caitlin Clark is good enough, which, you know, again, I love her. And this is not a bash. She would not be good enough, of course, to play in the NBA. That's not a knock on her. It does mean she doesn't have incredible skills, but she would not be able to make an NBA team or honestly, probably a division one college team.

01:21:09.260 You know, it's just the truth. You know, it's it's just the difference. So that does not mean she's not incredibly talented. She is. And the reason we know about her is because we have women's sports. And that's great. Yep. You know, there's nothing wrong with that. It's just like because the if there were no scientific evidence to support this, Pat, you could just combine them and you'd have probably 50 50 men and women. Right. Right. Right. Yes. That's not the way it works out.

01:21:36.960 No, no, it isn't. It is not. 888-727-BECK. More coming up.

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01:24:58.580 It's Pat and Stu for Glenn today.

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01:25:16.180 All right.

01:25:16.840 We've been talking about the women's sports situation because University of Pennsylvania actually did the right thing

01:25:23.620 and decided that, you know what, men can't compete against women anymore at this university.

01:25:29.420 Plus, we're going to remove all the records that Leah Thomas set in swimming here at this university.

01:25:36.320 Pretty incredible.

01:25:37.680 Do you hold, let me ask you, push back a little bit on this and ask you this question, Pat.

01:25:43.340 There's definitely fault here.

01:25:46.580 There's no doubt about it.

01:25:47.760 But is the fault properly placed on Penn or should it be more thought of as a problem with the Biden administration?

01:25:56.180 Because one of the things they said in their statement was we were consistent with the rules at the time.

01:26:02.580 Yeah.

01:26:03.320 And, you know, again, I think a university should stand up and fight it.

01:26:07.680 Right.

01:26:08.160 But like, yeah, this is what the government was telling them to do.

01:26:12.740 That's true.

01:26:13.700 That's true.

01:26:14.460 It was so bad that before Biden left office, what he was going to do with this new ruling in the NCAA that the schools can now pay athletes.

01:26:26.380 Right.

01:26:27.000 They can now pay them 20.5 million dollars.

01:26:30.620 They can spread that out over their athletic programs.

01:26:33.560 And so pretty much all colleges that are going to make the payments to athletes, they don't have to do it, but they can opt into it.

01:26:42.040 So the the colleges were obviously going to devote most of the money to football and men's basketball because those are the moneymakers.

01:26:50.140 And that's where you devote the most funds and resources.

01:26:53.040 The Biden administration ruled before he left that you had to spread it out equally between the men's and women's programs, which President Trump has rightfully done away with in the meantime.

01:27:06.340 But in the beginning, it was like, no, you've got to spread that out.

01:27:10.240 Well, that's asinine.

01:27:11.520 Right.

01:27:12.580 Because they don't bring in the same kind of resources that the men's teams do.

01:27:17.760 So you're not going to devote the same amount of resources to them.

01:27:20.820 So, yeah, I think the Biden administration was a part, at least in part, at fault.

01:27:25.480 Yeah.

01:27:25.660 I mean, I think, you know, they should have.

01:27:27.760 Number one, I think they probably agree with the Biden administration, so I don't give them a break there.

01:27:31.720 Yeah.

01:27:31.860 Number two, they should have, if they didn't agree, step up and say, hey, this is wrong.

01:27:36.540 Yes.

01:27:36.720 But like they were put in a position where if they were following the rules, this was the chosen outcome from the Biden administration.

01:27:45.940 Which is crazy based on Title IX, for instance.

01:27:49.040 I mean, Title IX really was passed for women, actual biological women.

01:27:59.720 Right.

01:28:00.100 So that you had to have the same amount of sports for women that you have for men.

01:28:05.820 And so that's what it was initially for, was because most schools were devoting all of their resources to men's teams.

01:28:14.080 And Title IX changed that.

01:28:16.340 And so to go against that and now say, nah, nah, these guys can compete against the girls in girls sports.

01:28:23.660 It's fine.

01:28:25.020 Bizarre.

01:28:25.660 Bizarre.

01:28:26.100 Absolutely bizarre.

01:28:26.840 It's such a, and not to mention, as we mentioned, like what's going on in the locker rooms, which in somehow the Me Too era is the right thing to do for women.

01:28:35.180 It's like inexplicably stupid.

01:28:38.100 But they don't care.

01:28:39.120 Look, it's one of the reasons why Donald Trump's president of the United States right now.

01:28:42.300 It's true.

01:28:42.360 Because people saw what was happening and were like, uh, no more of that.

01:28:46.020 Exactly right.

01:28:46.700 This is Glenn Beck.

01:29:05.040 888-727-BECK is our phone number.

01:29:07.380 It's Patton's due in for Glenn.

01:29:08.760 And we were, we're just, uh, we got into a conversation about college sports and now we haven't, you know, we're not ready at all for the hour of broadcast because we haven't talked about any of those topics.

01:29:19.620 Like, unless we're going to do an hour on college baseball right now.

01:29:22.340 Yeah.

01:29:22.660 I think that's what we'll do.

01:29:23.720 Yeah.

01:29:24.040 Yeah.

01:29:24.260 Just an hour on college baseball.

01:29:26.120 I think people would love that.

01:29:27.460 Yeah.

01:29:27.740 I think so too.

01:29:28.920 I really have gotten into it a little bit.

01:29:30.820 I would.

01:29:31.320 Yeah.

01:29:31.500 I'd love it.

01:29:32.040 You know, my son really loves baseball, you know, and so we, we did a tournament.

01:29:35.440 He had a, a, like a little league, it was a, I think 11U tournament in Omaha a few years ago and a couple of years ago now.

01:29:42.220 And we went to the college world series that year.

01:29:45.260 It was when Wyatt Langford was there and Paul Skeens and it was that year.

01:29:49.260 And Skeens throws what, 203 miles an hour or something like that.

01:29:51.940 It's incredible.

01:29:52.640 Yeah.

01:29:53.040 Um, and it was just really fun to watch, you know, it was just really cool.

01:29:56.980 The whole city is focused around it.

01:29:59.080 You know, I had never been really spent much time in Omaha.

01:30:02.000 It was really cool.

01:30:03.160 You can walk to almost everything down there.

01:30:05.440 It's a really cool experience.

01:30:06.660 If you like baseball, especially if you have a kid who loves it, taking them there and like getting a hotel room in the city and just spending the city, time in the city.

01:30:13.360 It was really, really fun.

01:30:14.380 Just a really cool experience.

01:30:15.800 So there's so many of those events around America.

01:30:18.280 America's great.

01:30:19.360 Yeah.

01:30:19.560 I hate this idea that it sucks.

01:30:21.560 It's freaking awesome.

01:30:22.440 There's so much cool stuff to do.

01:30:24.340 So.

01:30:25.260 So do it.

01:30:26.080 So do it.

01:30:26.500 So do the cool stuff.

01:30:27.420 Yeah.

01:30:27.560 Yeah.

01:30:27.620 Yeah.

01:30:27.660 Yeah.

01:30:28.160 Yeah.

01:30:28.220 Yeah.

01:30:28.720 Yeah.

01:30:28.740 Yeah.

01:30:29.160 Yeah.

01:30:29.620 Yeah.

01:30:29.660 Yeah.

01:30:30.660 Yeah.

01:30:31.160 Yeah.

01:30:31.660 Yeah.

01:30:35.440 Yeah.

01:30:37.400 Yeah.

01:30:38.340 Yeah.

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01:31:39.340 So, Disney's not doing real well right now.

01:31:44.660 Their Pixar movie just bombed.

01:31:46.460 It was the worst opening of a Pixar movie in history.

01:31:50.980 In the history of Pixar.

01:31:52.760 It's pretty amazing.

01:31:53.940 I think it only had 20 million or something on opening weekend.

01:31:57.820 Elio didn't do well.

01:31:59.820 Now, there's a couple of different trains of thought

01:32:03.060 on why the movie didn't do well.

01:32:05.320 Get into that.

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01:33:30.840 So, Elio, what happened to it?

01:33:33.740 Apparently, that was designed to be like a,

01:33:36.960 I don't know, trans movie for kids?

01:33:39.340 Is that what they were sort of intending in the beginning?

01:33:42.780 I don't think it was necessarily trans.

01:33:46.400 I think it was...

01:33:48.420 Oh, he was supposed to be gay.

01:33:51.080 Gay-coded is the way they're saying.

01:33:52.500 Gay-coded.

01:33:52.740 Gay-coded.

01:33:53.380 So, it wasn't outwardly a story about a kid

01:33:56.480 falling in love with a kid that was a boy.

01:34:00.100 But it was hinted at...

01:34:01.180 But they were going to do that.

01:34:02.440 Yeah.

01:34:02.580 They were going to make it seem as though, yes,

01:34:05.900 if you read between the lines or whatever,

01:34:08.360 that's what was happening.

01:34:09.740 Yeah.

01:34:10.020 Like, those that worked at Pixar...

01:34:13.020 This is from Hollywood Reporter.

01:34:14.400 Those who worked at Pixar when Elio was in production

01:34:17.460 were delighted by footage they saw roughly two years ago.

01:34:20.700 Among the moments cited as favorites by those

01:34:23.540 in the animation studio at the time

01:34:24.980 included a sequence where the boy collected trash on the beach

01:34:28.800 and turned it into homemade apparel that included a pink tank top.

01:34:32.720 Oh.

01:34:33.600 The movie's team would refer to Elio showing off

01:34:36.340 to this hermit crab as a trash-in show.

01:34:38.960 Get it?

01:34:39.300 It's not because he made the clothing out of trash.

01:34:44.200 If you bought a ticket to Elio, don't remember seeing this.

01:34:46.760 It's not that you chose the wrong time to refill your soda.

01:34:50.180 According to multiple insiders who spoke to the Hollywood Reporter,

01:34:52.700 Elio was initially portrayed as a queer-coded character.

01:34:57.660 Again, queer now.

01:34:58.800 It was so okay to say.

01:35:00.200 It was an insult back in the day.

01:35:02.560 Not anymore.

01:35:03.380 Not anymore.

01:35:03.960 Now it's the only way you're supposed to say it or something.

01:35:06.580 It reflected the director's identity as an openly gay filmmaker.

01:35:10.480 Oh, that's beautiful.

01:35:11.540 Other sources said they did not intend the film to be coming out,

01:35:15.000 to be a coming out story as the character is 11.

01:35:18.740 But either way...

01:35:19.320 Thank you.

01:35:20.460 Jeez, I hope not.

01:35:21.600 I hope that's not the focus.

01:35:24.420 Man.

01:35:24.860 Either way, the characterization gradually faded away

01:35:27.420 throughout the production process

01:35:28.880 as Elio became more masculine following feedback from leadership.

01:35:33.040 Gone were not only such direct examples as his passion for environmentalism and fashion,

01:35:38.680 but also a scene in Elio's bedroom with pictures suggesting a male crush.

01:35:43.540 Hints at this trash fashion remain in the released film with a boy wearing a cape decorated with discarded cutlery and soda can tabs,

01:35:56.420 although without any explanation for the unusual attire.

01:35:59.100 It is, of course, always a catastrophe when you make a movie and then try to rework it into something completely different.

01:36:05.680 Yeah.

01:36:06.040 It usually does not work out well.

01:36:07.760 And it didn't.

01:36:08.500 However, my understanding of the testing of this film was so bad...

01:36:12.100 That's what I heard, too.

01:36:13.160 ...that they had to change it.

01:36:14.120 It wasn't just the leadership at Pixar or Disney.

01:36:17.020 It was test audiences didn't like it.

01:36:19.640 They were like, I don't think I want my kids to be seeing this queer-coded movie.

01:36:26.240 And so that was my understanding of why they changed it anyway.

01:36:30.340 But it didn't work even afterwards.

01:36:33.740 So it didn't go well.

01:36:35.100 Now, you stand at odds, okay, with Sarah Ligatich.

01:36:42.780 Oh, no.

01:36:43.480 Now, I know normally you try to align your goals with Sarah.

01:36:47.320 I really do, but it didn't work out this time.

01:36:50.120 Now, you know, just this is not for you, Pat.

01:36:52.640 This is for the audience who might not be aware.

01:36:54.660 But Sarah Ligatich, of course, is a member of the company's internal LGBTQ group, PixPride.

01:37:04.120 Sure, PixPride.

01:37:05.200 Yeah.

01:37:06.120 Now, there's really a...

01:37:07.660 I want to say this just up front in case people are questioning this.

01:37:11.100 There is 100% really good reason for a child's movie company to have an LGBTQ group inside of it.

01:37:20.260 I'm kidding.

01:37:20.460 That's definitely necessary to make cartoons for children.

01:37:24.640 Incredible.

01:37:25.440 You got to have that.

01:37:26.740 You can't just have people who are just individuals, who have individual beliefs, wants, lifestyle choices, all sorts of things.

01:37:36.520 You can't have that.

01:37:36.660 And just want to make a good movie for children.

01:37:38.280 You just want to be artists and make great movies.

01:37:40.540 Yeah.

01:37:40.840 Can't have that.

01:37:41.440 No, you got to have an agenda.

01:37:43.060 You got to cordon people off into little groups.

01:37:46.720 You know, designed by who they want to have sex with or what private parts they admire.

01:37:52.520 That's the way you do it.

01:37:54.080 That's the way children's theater is presented today.

01:37:58.100 Great idea.

01:37:59.080 And I'm sure Sarah just loves that.

01:38:01.220 But she was deeply saddened and aggrieved.

01:38:03.800 Oh, no.

01:38:04.320 I hate to hear that.

01:38:05.000 Aggrieved, Pat.

01:38:07.120 No.

01:38:07.680 By the changes that were made.

01:38:09.300 Don't say that.

01:38:11.120 Not just aggrieved, Pat.

01:38:13.600 Deeply aggrieved.

01:38:14.480 Aggrieved.

01:38:15.000 Wow.

01:38:15.640 Think of that.

01:38:16.720 That's painful.

01:38:18.640 That is kind of what's...

01:38:20.520 Now they're saying like, well, that made the movie a disaster.

01:38:24.740 Which, you know, of course...

01:38:27.560 You know, Superman 2, this happened in...

01:38:29.700 A version of this happened in Superman 2.

01:38:31.880 It's a different version.

01:38:32.760 But like Superman 2, if I remember the story right, and some nerd will definitely correct

01:38:36.040 me on this, but they started off the movie with one director.

01:38:39.080 He was kind of doing it more serious.

01:38:41.840 Okay.

01:38:42.220 And then it was...

01:38:43.740 They were having all sorts of production problems.

01:38:45.800 They brought in a different director who kind of rewrote it into a campy comedy.

01:38:50.460 Is this two or three?

01:38:52.500 I think it's two.

01:38:53.660 Okay.

01:38:54.600 Correct me if I'm wrong.

01:38:56.480 Nerds unite.

01:38:57.520 Feel free to call 888-727-BECK.

01:38:59.620 Is this the one with Richard Pryor?

01:39:01.440 No, that's three, right?

01:39:03.780 Yeah, I think so.

01:39:04.660 Four is the nuclear weapon one, I think.

01:39:06.860 Okay.

01:39:07.600 But I liked two.

01:39:08.240 Two was Zod.

01:39:09.780 Yeah.

01:39:10.120 Right?

01:39:10.720 Yes, I think so.

01:39:11.640 Neil before Zod.

01:39:13.120 Yes.

01:39:13.520 It was that one.

01:39:14.280 They had the three like anti-superhero, Superman superheroes.

01:39:18.420 Uh-huh.

01:39:18.860 Okay.

01:39:19.200 The guy who could...

01:39:19.800 The big tall guy who couldn't speak.

01:39:22.420 Yeah.

01:39:22.820 The attractive lady.

01:39:24.320 Right.

01:39:24.780 And Zod.

01:39:25.600 And Zod.

01:39:26.380 Yes.

01:39:26.640 And they were all up against Christopher Reeve.

01:39:29.280 Against Christopher Reeve, right?

01:39:30.680 I am pretty sure I've got this right.

01:39:33.140 No, I think so.

01:39:33.820 It sounds like it.

01:39:34.520 But yeah.

01:39:34.960 And if you remember, there's a lot of goofy jokes in the movie.

01:39:38.220 I don't know if you remember.

01:39:39.220 Like it's...

01:39:40.060 There's a lot of like slapsticky weirdness in it.

01:39:42.760 It doesn't seem to fit.

01:39:43.900 And that was because there were two completely separate directors.

01:39:46.480 One of which came in after half of the movie was already shot or something.

01:39:50.280 And so a lot of times that doesn't work well.

01:39:52.400 Yeah.

01:39:52.620 I liked Superman 2 as a kid.

01:39:54.000 I did too.

01:39:54.420 It's been a while.

01:39:55.060 I did too.

01:39:55.600 I will say since I've seen it.

01:39:56.760 It's probably...

01:39:57.220 It came out what?

01:39:57.740 79?

01:39:58.580 Was it really that?

01:39:59.300 I think so.

01:40:00.340 So anyway, I remember liking it.

01:40:02.680 But it doesn't...

01:40:04.240 So it could be part of that is the problem here.

01:40:06.960 Like you start with someone who has a vision for a movie and you bring in, you know, all

01:40:10.660 these changes.

01:40:11.260 My understanding of the rating was very, very poor as they went through the testing to

01:40:15.540 the extent of like almost no one in the test groups liked it.

01:40:21.960 Now, that's a problem, Pat.

01:40:23.360 That is a problem.

01:40:24.180 Yeah.

01:40:24.440 You shouldn't always go through, you know, the panels of people and follow their guidance.

01:40:31.180 Like a lot of times they might have, you know, opinions that aren't right.

01:40:33.960 And you stand by your artistic vision sometimes.

01:40:35.980 But there are probably limits to that when your company is putting up 100 million or 200 million

01:40:40.520 dollars to support your project.

01:40:41.800 Yeah.

01:40:42.740 Yeah.

01:40:42.940 I'd say so.

01:40:43.940 Superman 2, by the way, 1981.

01:40:46.140 June of 81.

01:40:47.060 Okay.

01:40:47.440 Yeah.

01:40:49.040 Also, RFK checking out some potential changes to the vaccine injury compensation program with

01:40:59.140 the stated aim of improving the ways in which vaccine toxicities are identified and victims

01:41:05.620 compensated.

01:41:06.660 He said, I brought in a team this week that is starting to work toward these changes.

01:41:12.000 It was established in 1986, the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act.

01:41:18.360 The U.S. vaccine injury compensation program is a no-fault system of resolving vaccine injury

01:41:25.200 petitions.

01:41:26.540 And he wants to change that.

01:41:29.580 He doesn't want the companies, the pharmaceuticals, to be completely exempt from all of this now.

01:41:36.060 Um, and he, this also gives him an opportunity to, uh, to get into the whole autism thing

01:41:44.500 and where that's coming from, uh, because he still believes, it seems to me anyway, that,

01:41:49.920 uh, that he still believes that autism might be brought on by vaccines that are given to

01:41:55.140 children.

01:41:56.520 Um, RFK.

01:41:57.720 RFK.

01:41:58.240 I would say he's certain.

01:41:59.300 I think he's certain.

01:42:00.420 I would say he's certain of it.

01:42:01.720 Certain.

01:42:02.160 No, I will say one of the things like, look, look, RFK who was running for president against

01:42:08.500 Donald Trump and calling him all sorts of terrible names.

01:42:10.920 Okay.

01:42:11.380 At one point realized he was not going to win and decided he wanted to get a lot of, uh,

01:42:15.940 power.

01:42:16.280 And there was one way to get it, which was to endorse Donald Trump.

01:42:19.380 Okay.

01:42:19.840 That's, that's the story.

01:42:21.020 Yes.

01:42:21.320 Uh, and, and Donald Trump himself up to both candidates, by the way, at the end of the

01:42:26.700 process.

01:42:27.340 Kamala first.

01:42:28.100 Yes.

01:42:28.220 We should also note Kamala did not call him back.

01:42:30.800 That is what occurred.

01:42:32.460 Now.

01:42:33.000 And she should have.

01:42:33.600 She should have.

01:42:34.420 She should have.

01:42:34.980 Now, Donald Trump was smart enough to say, Hey, there's a, there's a slice of this population,

01:42:39.080 uh, that has some agreement with me on things, some disagreement with me on things, but bringing

01:42:44.240 this over in a closed election is advisable.

01:42:46.400 He embraced RFK Jr. and kept his promise to RFK Jr.

01:42:50.400 And it seems to have worked out.

01:42:51.620 Yes.

01:42:52.060 It worked out certainly politically.

01:42:53.540 Well, the thing, and all of that is understandable.

01:42:57.000 We all understand how that happened.

01:42:58.340 That's totally fine.

01:42:59.160 There's a big part of the MAGA movement that I would say is MAHA and is consistent with,

01:43:03.760 uh, with, with RFK Jr.'s, uh, beliefs.

01:43:06.900 What I can't take, and I will say this, is this idea that RFK Jr. is on the edge of his

01:43:12.800 seat, trying to figure out whether he thinks vaccines caused, are causing autism.

01:43:17.620 He's been consistent of this for multiple decades.

01:43:20.880 He is not going into a process that I'm going to think about this.

01:43:24.400 I don't know which way is this going to turn out.

01:43:26.320 We know how it's going to turn out.

01:43:27.980 He believes it.

01:43:29.060 And that's fine.

01:43:30.280 Like he does again, I, you know, what, whatever your opinion is on that, you make up your own

01:43:35.060 mind.

01:43:35.320 As long as he's not telling parents what they must do.

01:43:38.700 Opinion on it.

01:43:39.400 Cause I don't, I don't really read between the lines.

01:43:41.840 I will say it's, my kids are vaccinated.

01:43:44.960 I feel fine with that choice.

01:43:46.920 I'm not, I'm not concerned about it.

01:43:48.800 Some people are, we have, I have really good friends who work here who are much on the opposite

01:43:53.740 side of that.

01:43:54.440 And, and that's totally fine.

01:43:56.940 You should be able to make your own choices for your own kids.

01:44:00.220 And as long as RFK Jr., which he's, he did say he wouldn't, uh, he would not take away

01:44:05.960 choices from parents.

01:44:07.420 If he's consistent with that, whatever.

01:44:09.660 I, I care about the government's recommendations on these things about as much as I care about

01:44:14.760 the recommendations on the food pyramid, which is not mandated.

01:44:17.940 Right.

01:44:18.380 Don't mandate it either way.

01:44:20.080 I am either way completely with RFK Jr.

01:44:23.200 And opposing mandates on vaccines.

01:44:25.620 Parents should be able to make their own choices on these matters.

01:44:28.160 Yeah.

01:44:28.520 Um, you know, and so as long as he doesn't violate the things that he promised, I think number

01:44:34.100 one, I won't have a problem with what he's doing.

01:44:36.640 Cause I don't really care what the government recommends.

01:44:38.480 I don't care.

01:44:39.040 Like they also tell me to eat healthy and I don't do that either.

01:44:42.160 Uh, number two, as long as he doesn't violate what Donald Trump, uh, what he's promised to

01:44:48.220 Donald Trump.

01:44:49.100 And that was, Hey, stay in your freaking lane.

01:44:52.380 I'll stay out of the global warming and global warming and all of that.

01:44:55.920 I will say there's, there's always been talk about whether he's going to ban aspartame,

01:45:00.360 which I will say, I've got a beautiful can of right here in front of me, uh, in my diet

01:45:03.820 Coke.

01:45:04.520 Is he talking about that?

01:45:05.820 I don't see.

01:45:06.740 This is where I think the line is.

01:45:08.100 Yeah.

01:45:08.320 Donald Trump is not going to take kindly to trying to ban aspartame.

01:45:11.920 Cause he loves that stuff too.

01:45:13.160 He loves his diet Coke.

01:45:14.200 Yeah.

01:45:14.380 Yeah.

01:45:14.560 So like, I think if he stays in his lane, he'll be fine.

01:45:18.460 Some of the stuff you do, I will really like some of it.

01:45:20.740 I probably won't, but honestly, like when has the HHS secretary made a difference in

01:45:27.240 my life?

01:45:28.420 I don't know.

01:45:29.240 I mean, I can't remember.

01:45:31.180 I don't think happening.

01:45:32.700 They make a lot of recommendations.

01:45:34.440 They say a lot of things.

01:45:36.240 I ignore all of it.

01:45:37.420 He has the potential to make a difference in, in, in our lives because he really wants

01:45:43.200 to ban certain things.

01:45:44.880 Right.

01:45:45.040 But he said he would.

01:45:46.780 He now, again, I don't know.

01:45:48.060 I don't, I have an opinion of RFK Jr. and his credibility on his promises in life.

01:45:54.680 So does his wife, by the way.

01:45:56.960 And they don't like, they don't necessarily mean by that.

01:46:01.000 What?

01:46:01.580 Many, many of his female partners have opinions on his promise quality and find it to be lacking.

01:46:09.560 Yeah.

01:46:09.940 But that being said, you know, I think Trump will hold him to his lane.

01:46:16.260 Yeah, I do too.

01:46:16.780 And if he does that, whatever.

01:46:19.540 Like I, I'm, so I'm not honestly all that concerned about RFK Jr.

01:46:22.200 I think that's a healthy attitude about the whole thing.

01:46:24.220 Yeah, I think so too.

01:46:25.000 I mean, and I think like, you know, look, he did something important in the campaign and

01:46:29.940 he.

01:46:31.120 And I think it did help.

01:46:32.040 I think it did too.

01:46:33.000 Now, now I am not of the opinion.

01:46:34.860 Let's see if you are.

01:46:35.940 Are you of the opinion that Donald Trump loses without that endorsement?

01:46:39.040 No, I am not.

01:46:39.560 I am not either.

01:46:40.320 So I, I think it was, I think it's helped.

01:46:42.860 It might've been closer.

01:46:44.120 Yeah.

01:46:44.580 A little bit closer.

01:46:45.460 I think, I think Trump still wins.

01:46:47.320 And it was close.

01:46:48.320 Yeah.

01:46:48.600 Like I know we get, we're a little bit too at ease with how close that election was.

01:46:54.400 It's like how I feel sometimes after five, four Supreme court decisions.

01:46:57.480 And I'm like, ah, we got them.

01:46:58.960 Yeah.

01:46:59.220 Wait a minute.

01:46:59.620 We were one person away from losing all the, you know, religious freedom.

01:47:03.700 I shouldn't be so confident in the five, four.

01:47:07.160 So it was a little closer than I think we sometimes mentally remember because we had

01:47:12.300 a bunch of swing states that Trump swept.

01:47:14.140 But again, his, you know, in the blue wall states that, that Kamala needed to win the

01:47:20.380 biggest margin in any of those states was 1.8%.

01:47:25.040 So it certainly didn't hurt that he jumped on board.

01:47:27.360 You know, maybe, maybe it was the difference.

01:47:29.980 And it certainly has expanded Trump's coalition to a lot of people who have traditionally been

01:47:37.120 on the left.

01:47:37.980 Yeah.

01:47:38.380 And that is, you know, not easy to do.

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01:48:57.920 And we were talking about RFK and the whole Maha movement.

01:49:01.320 You know, we already banned red number five or 47 or 63, right?

01:49:08.400 I thought it was 40.

01:49:09.060 Have you missed it?

01:49:09.820 It was maybe it was 40.

01:49:10.560 Oh, no, actually 40.

01:49:11.320 And that happened during Biden, actually.

01:49:14.140 Oh.

01:49:14.940 I thought that was RFK just recently.

01:49:17.260 No?

01:49:18.440 Maybe there was another one.

01:49:20.220 I know he's been doing some of this stuff.

01:49:21.620 There's another red I think that he's considering getting rid of.

01:49:23.960 He's pressured food companies to get rid of that, and some of them have.

01:49:27.740 But the red 40.

01:49:28.180 And you love the chemicals.

01:49:29.480 Oh, I love that.

01:49:29.860 You want chemicals in your food.

01:49:31.160 I'm fine when the food dies.

01:49:32.520 I know.

01:49:33.120 Again, I don't care at all about any of that stuff.

01:49:36.420 By the way, I like it.

01:49:37.680 I love it.

01:49:37.880 I like the fact that the Froot Loops are super brightly colored.

01:49:42.520 Yes, me too.

01:49:43.160 I want the blue to be vibrant.

01:49:44.580 I don't want it to be blueberry blue.

01:49:46.640 I want it to glow in the dark.

01:49:47.160 I want it to glow in the dark.

01:49:48.060 I want it to be actually nuclear soaked.

01:49:50.280 That's kind of me.

01:49:51.180 Like, marinated in nuclear waste.

01:49:54.040 I have all sorts of flaws.

01:49:55.040 And then bring it to my bowl.

01:49:56.000 This is low on the list, frankly.

01:49:57.820 But I don't, you know, it's not my concern.

01:50:00.100 And I don't like that he's, you know, it was actually the Biden administration, I believe,

01:50:03.940 that banned, at least that first one.

01:50:06.140 Is it red 40?

01:50:06.400 I think it was red 40 that they banned.

01:50:07.860 Now, again, you look at the red 40 research.

01:50:09.680 Am I convinced that it's a problem?

01:50:10.980 No.

01:50:11.820 Does it have very loose ties to a small percentage of children having additional short-term ADHD effects?

01:50:20.260 Yes.

01:50:21.260 Is that a reason to ban something?

01:50:22.820 I would say no.

01:50:24.780 And most of the other stuff, there's almost no support for it.

01:50:28.440 That being said, it's not going to change my life, honestly, again.

01:50:32.700 A lot of the stuff I fall back on.

01:50:34.380 It's not that big a deal to either way.

01:50:35.880 You just, like, is it something to fight over?

01:50:38.840 Not really.

01:50:39.460 Yeah.

01:50:40.000 If you don't use it, the food is just a different color or you find a different way to color that food.

01:50:45.720 I mean.

01:50:46.140 And that's what they do in Canada.

01:50:48.300 Yeah.

01:50:48.480 You know, again, like, I, from a fundamental standpoint.

01:50:51.520 And Europe, by the way.

01:50:51.800 And in Europe, right.

01:50:52.840 Fundamentally, I don't want to chase the policies of Canada or Europe.

01:50:57.040 I found them to be negative.

01:50:59.600 Yes.

01:50:59.940 And I don't like, I like, you know, I like our old approach, which was, hey, let's keep

01:51:04.340 everybody, let's keep it open.

01:51:05.780 Let's let people make their own choices.

01:51:07.380 Yeah.

01:51:07.520 All these things that you're talking about, by the way, we should note, are already on

01:51:10.360 the market.

01:51:11.340 Yeah.

01:51:11.460 You can go buy, you can go buy Froot Loops with all sorts of different ways of it being

01:51:16.540 colored.

01:51:16.900 There's all sorts of alternatives that are fruit flavored cereals that have.

01:51:20.700 Or don't buy Froot Loops.

01:51:21.920 Or don't buy them at all.

01:51:22.940 Yeah.

01:51:23.080 So, like, that's how awesome our country is.

01:51:25.600 Yeah.

01:51:26.000 Without this rule, there are already dozens of companies that produce Froot Loops flavored

01:51:31.280 cereals that have different colorings than Red 40, if you don't want it.

01:51:35.680 Red 40 is cheaper, right?

01:51:37.720 It's cheaper.

01:51:38.560 So, that's why they use it.

01:51:40.300 It's not because they want to poison you or whatever.

01:51:42.600 It's because it's cheaper and they can get, and they can make more of a profit and keep

01:51:46.780 the prices lower.

01:51:47.680 So, Kellogg's is not specifically trying to kill me?

01:51:50.080 No.

01:51:50.680 Not necessarily.

01:51:52.260 Okay.

01:51:52.520 You know, I don't think that's their goal.

01:51:54.300 If you go and you, now, look, going to get, like, beets are one of the colors they use.

01:52:00.780 Another one, there's some really gross stuff that they use, frankly.

01:52:04.040 You know, crushed up bugs to get red flavoring as well.

01:52:06.800 That's one of the natural flavors they're encouraging.

01:52:09.000 Not my preference.

01:52:09.900 I'd rather not have the bug flavors.

01:52:11.560 But you could still find it.

01:52:13.920 It is sometimes more expensive, though.

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01:53:47.020 All right, it's Pat and Stu for Glenn today.

01:53:56.700 I've been saving this topic for Stu.

01:54:01.360 Thank you.

01:54:02.000 I appreciate this.

01:54:03.140 This is the end of my week.

01:54:04.360 Uh-huh.

01:54:04.880 Uh-huh.

01:54:05.240 So I wanted, I knew this is a hot-button issue for you and would get you riled up.

01:54:09.940 Because you're a huge RFK Jr. fan.

01:54:13.120 I know you love him.

01:54:14.600 Again, I know a lot of people do love him right now.

01:54:16.840 I get it.

01:54:17.340 They do.

01:54:17.840 They do.

01:54:18.340 I, you know, this is a-

01:54:19.840 But it's strange because they might agree with RFK Jr. on one thing.

01:54:24.820 On one thing.

01:54:25.280 Maybe two.

01:54:25.900 It might be a big thing.

01:54:26.740 Maybe two.

01:54:27.680 But the rest, if you're a conservative and you were going to vote for RFK Jr., I'm not

01:54:33.780 sure that was the best choice.

01:54:35.980 Right.

01:54:36.240 And look-

01:54:36.660 Because the guy's radically liberal on many, many things.

01:54:39.500 Right.

01:54:39.860 And hopefully most of that is not affected in his current job.

01:54:43.200 Yeah.

01:54:43.420 Right.

01:54:43.660 And so far, I don't think it has.

01:54:45.680 I don't.

01:54:45.900 Yeah.

01:54:45.980 You know, he stayed in his lane.

01:54:48.060 Like, you know, a lot of people on the left are like freaking out.

01:54:49.920 Like, he's changed the people on the vaccine approval board.

01:54:53.760 And like, you know-

01:54:54.480 Right.

01:54:54.740 There are also other doctors who are in the administration, like Jay Bhattacharya, for

01:54:59.580 example, who is also kind of skeptical on a lot of, you know, what happened during COVID,

01:55:05.720 for example, and all that.

01:55:06.980 But it's, you know, maybe closer to where I am on some of these other issues.

01:55:10.460 But, but like, you know, they're all kind of working together.

01:55:13.500 And I think anyone, it's just another, the reason I didn't like RFK Jr. as an HHS secretary

01:55:18.740 is it's basically another full-time job for the administration to monitor him and make

01:55:22.560 sure he doesn't go into all these areas he's promised to go into his entire life.

01:55:26.340 Well, right.

01:55:27.500 That is, you know-

01:55:28.340 And that is a concern.

01:55:29.140 It should be.

01:55:29.340 It's a concern.

01:55:29.860 And it should be something that they monitor.

01:55:31.280 But like, I mean, that's, it's look, that's, that was the deal.

01:55:34.380 This is the job.

01:55:35.340 So that's just what they're doing.

01:55:36.220 So one of the things that RFK Jr. has, has thrown out, and it's a fascinating topic,

01:55:41.740 is the autistic rates that have skyrocketed.

01:55:46.800 If you just simply look at the statistics from 1950, where the rate of autism was one

01:55:53.220 in 10,000, and you look at the rate today, which is one in 31.

01:55:56.880 I mean, that's-

01:55:58.220 Significant, obviously.

01:56:00.060 It's like-

01:56:01.340 Massive.

01:56:02.100 Massive.

01:56:02.640 In diagnosis.

01:56:03.620 And, but what, yes, part of the problem is that the one in 10,000 is probably not real

01:56:10.740 because diagnostic means of finding out that somebody has autism has changed.

01:56:17.340 The very definition of what is autism, and if you're on the spectrum, that's changed.

01:56:22.520 Right.

01:56:22.700 The spectrum, to most people, I think is a new term.

01:56:26.620 Yes.

01:56:27.020 Over the past few, you know, a couple decades, right?

01:56:29.360 Right.

01:56:29.460 Where it was either you were autistic or you weren't, right?

01:56:32.520 And now there's a spectrum.

01:56:34.040 By the way, these are good developments.

01:56:36.140 Like, the fact that this part of it, I'm not saying, you know, the increase in rate

01:56:39.780 is good development, but the fact that, like, doctors are looking at this in a much more

01:56:44.500 nuanced way of understanding what's happening to each individual child is really, really

01:56:49.260 positive.

01:56:50.140 Yes.

01:56:50.780 So, that's a good thing.

01:56:52.820 You know, the rate going up, obviously, is not a good thing.

01:56:57.120 Yeah.

01:56:57.340 It could be a bunch of different stuff, but, you know, you don't want the rate to get higher,

01:57:00.520 obviously.

01:57:01.160 So, you can explain away, I think, part of the gap from one in 10,000 to one in 31.

01:57:06.400 But if you, let's say you take it all the way down to one in 1,000, maybe that's even

01:57:10.080 too high.

01:57:10.640 I don't know.

01:57:11.400 But that would be a reduction of 90%, which is, you know, who knows?

01:57:16.140 But at that number, it's one-tenth of the initial estimate.

01:57:21.220 Still, to get to one in 31 today, you would think, all right, something is going on, right?

01:57:26.760 Is it something in the food chain?

01:57:30.500 Is it something, if you discount vaccines, and I don't think there's a single study that

01:57:34.880 really shows that, yep, it's coming from vaccines.

01:57:38.100 I don't know of one.

01:57:39.280 Yeah.

01:57:39.740 They even looked into the mercury situation, the thimerosal.

01:57:43.180 Yeah.

01:57:43.520 That was a big one.

01:57:44.300 That was a huge concern for people, and they took it out.

01:57:47.380 But the anti-vaccine side, yeah, the anti-vaccine side basically won that argument.

01:57:52.280 Like, they were, hey, we're concerned about thimerosal and these vaccines.

01:57:56.060 Yeah.

01:57:56.540 So, they won it.

01:57:57.540 They took it out.

01:57:58.220 And, of course, as, you know, as those, I think a lot of those same people would note

01:58:01.780 now, the rates have increased dramatically since that time.

01:58:05.080 Yeah.

01:58:06.200 So, that, you know, doesn't seem to be the case.

01:58:09.740 Doesn't seem like that's the case.

01:58:11.140 But is it, so is it food coloring?

01:58:13.040 Is it preservatives?

01:58:15.180 Is it pesticides?

01:58:17.640 If you look into, okay, the way that we keep bugs off our food and all of that kind of

01:58:22.720 stuff, are there too many lingering pesticides that are toxic to us, and that causes autism?

01:58:29.100 I don't know.

01:58:30.020 But something, I think, I think there is something environmental that goes into this and the

01:58:37.200 increased rates.

01:58:38.020 Yeah, there may be.

01:58:38.980 I think, you know, they haven't, I don't think they've located it, if that's the case.

01:58:43.900 I think, you know, and you mentioned the increase in the rate.

01:58:48.620 And, you know, some of it may be diagnostic.

01:58:52.180 We know for a fact some of it is diagnostic.

01:58:54.940 For example.

01:58:55.800 No question.

01:58:57.140 Example of this is Elon Musk.

01:58:58.720 Elon Musk, if you, he has said before publicly that he has Asperger's, right?

01:59:03.540 Yes.

01:59:03.820 Well, currently speaking, no one has Asperger's because Asperger's was combined into the autism

01:59:10.240 spectrum in 2013 as a diagnosis, right?

01:59:13.600 So, like, that's a big one.

01:59:14.800 There's also another one called pervasive developmental disorder that was also combined into this.

01:59:19.720 So, we know some of it comes from that.

01:59:21.620 Some of it comes from doctors being more aware of it.

01:59:24.180 And this is, you know, again, that part of it is positive, right?

01:59:27.880 Like, the fact that, you know, we have doctors who are maybe understanding this a lot better

01:59:32.100 and are able to deal with it in a better way is overtly a positive.

01:59:37.380 You know, they have found some stuff in genes.

01:59:41.700 And they're able to find them, when babies are in their fetal state, a correlation with autism.

01:59:51.420 Now, that would indicate that it wouldn't be environmental.

01:59:53.740 That would be natural.

01:59:54.640 At least that part of it, right?

01:59:55.160 Because you're finding it before they're even born or eating.

01:59:58.560 Yeah, strange.

01:59:59.260 So, I think it's a complicated picture.

02:00:02.840 And, you know, I am all for some of these efforts as they're described, right?

02:00:07.020 To come out and try to find what's going on.

02:00:09.560 I know, you know, I was listening to an interview with Jay Bhattacharya where he says,

02:00:12.860 you know, I don't think.

02:00:14.240 Now, I disagree with RFK Jr. on, you know, the causes of autism as it applies to childhood vaccines.

02:00:19.500 You know, and again, this is a guy who's a pretty skeptic.

02:00:23.420 He was certainly skeptical of a lot of the lockdown efforts and the closing kids' schools.

02:00:29.240 Like, he was on our side.

02:00:30.740 He's in the Trump administration currently.

02:00:32.380 And he says, look, RFK has a sincerely held belief.

02:00:36.460 And I don't think there's anything wrong with looking into it and trying to find what the truth is.

02:00:40.080 In fact, I think that's what science is supposed to do, right?

02:00:42.680 Yeah, I think so.

02:00:43.560 So, I mean, I don't buy from RFK that this is a sincere effort that, like, he might just be like,

02:00:50.240 guys, you're not going to believe this.

02:00:53.000 Vaccines have nothing to do with it.

02:00:54.380 My entire life's work was a lie.

02:00:56.840 You don't expect that outcome?

02:00:57.820 And I also don't expect Anthony Fauci to show up and say, guys, by the way, masks didn't work at all.

02:01:03.960 And wow, did I blow it?

02:01:05.980 Like, I don't think either of those things are going to happen.

02:01:09.380 Yes.

02:01:09.700 But I do think it's a great, like, it's always a good idea to try to advance science and get more knowledge when it comes to these things.

02:01:15.080 And he's promised some big study that's supposed to come out by September, I think it was.

02:01:20.060 Yeah.

02:01:20.340 Right?

02:01:20.700 Yeah.

02:01:20.860 So, that'll be interesting.

02:01:21.880 So, that will be interesting.

02:01:22.920 What comes of that?

02:01:23.840 Another interesting part of this, I thought, and again, it's hard to determine every single case.

02:01:28.380 You know, we have people I talk to all the time that are sure that they know what-

02:01:33.520 What's causing it?

02:01:34.220 What individual case might be caused by.

02:01:37.500 And then, like, you know, I can't even imagine.

02:01:40.400 Like, if you're in a situation like that, it's really difficult to deal with.

02:01:44.220 And, you know, one of the things I don't like about saying all of this is caused by vaccines

02:01:49.500 is it puts a lot of the blame on the parents.

02:01:51.920 Like, you know, this is a choice that a parent has made.

02:01:54.780 And, like, you're basically blaming them for this really tough thing that they're dealing with their kids.

02:01:59.700 And it might, maybe that is the cause.

02:02:03.060 But that's, I don't know.

02:02:04.220 I don't, that mechanism bothers me at some level.

02:02:08.000 Like, I don't think it's not, like, the parents, if the parents make a choice that they're going to have to vaccinate their kids

02:02:12.220 and something bad happens afterward, and then you kind of apply that cause.

02:02:16.500 It's not the parent's fault.

02:02:17.420 It's not the parent's fault, and I think that's important.

02:02:19.820 It's been recommended by health professionals, and you trust them.

02:02:22.540 All right, well, they told me to do this, and I'm doing it.

02:02:24.620 But parents torture themselves over these decisions.

02:02:26.180 They do, I know.

02:02:26.760 And that's difficult.

02:02:27.860 But one of the, another part of the diagnosis argument basically goes like this.

02:02:33.620 They, when you get tested for autism, typically that happens early in life, right, as you're growing up.

02:02:38.540 And what they found is about a 1 in 3, 1 in 4, 1 in 31 rate.

02:02:43.080 What did you say?

02:02:43.600 Yeah, 1 in 31.

02:02:44.260 That percentage is something like, you know, 3%, 3.7%.

02:02:48.280 And what they found when they test kids, that's the rate that they get.

02:02:53.620 One study I thought was interesting is they decided to go and run the same tests on adults.

02:03:00.420 Adults who were in the period of time where the diagnosis was more like 1 in 10,000 and 1 in 5,000.

02:03:08.180 And they ran the current diagnostic tests on them as adults today.

02:03:13.360 What they found was the rate was about 1 in 3.

02:03:17.140 So.

02:03:17.640 Really?

02:03:18.540 I've never heard that.

02:03:19.680 That's interesting.

02:03:20.520 That's interesting.

02:03:21.520 That doesn't prove, by the way, that there's no environmental facts.

02:03:24.420 But, like, I think it's an interesting thing.

02:03:27.940 You know, and it's what's tough about that, I think, is these parents, these adults went through their entire lives without any assistance, without any treatment, without any of the help that maybe kids today get.

02:03:42.860 They survived, they may have even thrived, but, like, would they have had a better childhood, would they have been, you know, had they dealt with, you know, better treatment and maybe had a more flourishing life later on?

02:03:58.800 That's an interesting part of it, right?

02:04:00.500 It is.

02:04:01.040 I think, you know, hopefully the kids today are getting that.

02:04:04.640 So, look, if it is, like, the best case scenario here is that it is something like vaccines, right?

02:04:11.020 Something that is easily curable and understood.

02:04:13.480 Right.

02:04:13.920 And I hope they do find something that is, like, okay, we can just pull this out, you know, like thimerosal.

02:04:18.880 We can just pull this out of the vaccines and everything will be fine.

02:04:20.880 That didn't wind up being true last time.

02:04:22.580 I hope it is something that we find.

02:04:24.600 That would be great.

02:04:25.460 Yeah.

02:04:25.940 You know?

02:04:26.860 Something that we can do something about.

02:04:28.380 Yeah.

02:04:28.780 Would be awesome.

02:04:29.800 Agreed.

02:04:31.140 But, you know what?

02:04:32.220 Science and scientists.

02:04:33.940 Scientists don't know everything.

02:04:35.120 I was just reading an article this morning, in fact, that scientists are now saying they may have been wrong about the origin of life.

02:04:42.460 That it may not have happened the way they think in some sort of primordial.

02:04:45.840 What?

02:04:46.820 Soupy goo that we all sprang from the ocean because of the chemicals in the water.

02:04:52.720 And life started that way.

02:04:54.220 Now they're starting to doubt that and say, no, it might have happened some other way.

02:04:59.680 I mean, they're certainly not going to go toward divine methods that started life.

02:05:06.640 But it's fascinating that they continually tell us that they know virtually everything and there's consensus.

02:05:12.820 And then we find out down the road, no, we don't know that.

02:05:15.620 But we don't know that at all.

02:05:17.780 It's the origins of life right now.

02:05:21.980 The Big Bang Theory has been called into question by scientists.

02:05:26.640 Einstein's theory of a static universe, that it's the same.

02:05:29.580 That's out the window.

02:05:32.520 But don't ever challenge them.

02:05:34.580 Don't you dare challenge them on climate change.

02:05:37.980 Because there is absolute consensus on that.

02:05:41.540 And that is settled.

02:05:43.480 Settled science.

02:05:44.480 Don't you dare be a climate denier.

02:05:47.600 No science has ever settled, Patton.

02:05:49.720 That is what it's actually supposed to be.

02:05:52.240 Right.

02:05:52.620 That's the process.

02:05:53.820 It should always be challenged.

02:05:55.780 You should always be looking at it.

02:05:57.380 So it's very healthy that we are right now.

02:05:59.340 We're looking at these things and trying to figure out, all right, what is the deal here with autism?

02:06:02.380 Totally fine with that.

02:06:03.200 Because we just have no idea.

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02:09:29.360 We got Stu all fired up as we head into the 4th of July.

02:09:33.320 That's the important thing.

02:09:34.720 It's the important thing to know.

02:09:36.680 Well, I mean, I could get you fired up.

02:09:38.100 We could bring up an alligator Alcatraz.

02:09:40.760 We could bring that up.

02:09:43.600 Because you.

02:09:44.220 Not my favorite thing.

02:09:45.400 I don't love it.

02:09:47.220 Now, you don't love what about it?

02:09:48.940 Because I know you are very hard on the border.

02:09:51.040 Yes.

02:09:51.340 You've been a strong protector of our border as long as I've known you.

02:09:56.200 Exactly.

02:09:57.280 You do want illegal immigrants to be detained and deported.

02:10:02.060 Yes.

02:10:02.500 If that is what is necessary.

02:10:04.220 What I don't like is the alligator part of it.

02:10:06.140 Okay.

02:10:06.960 I think that's just a, is that a thing though?

02:10:08.740 I kind of take that as just like a sketchy name.

02:10:10.760 Even if it's not, it's just a bad optic or a bad sonic.

02:10:15.820 It just sounds bad because, you know, it sounds like something they would do in El Salvador.

02:10:22.860 Okay.

02:10:23.160 If you, if you escape here, you're going to be eaten by an alligator.

02:10:26.720 Right.

02:10:26.840 First time that happens, I mean, alligator Alcatraz goes away and immigration enforcement becomes much more difficult.

02:10:35.260 Now, I don't think anybody's ever going to be eaten by an alligator.

02:10:38.880 But to me, it just, it's kind of a, I don't know.

02:10:42.180 It doesn't seem American to me.

02:10:43.880 That's interesting because I took it as such a, basically a sideshow to the policy.

02:10:49.900 Right.

02:10:50.000 The policy, I know you agree.

02:10:51.120 Yeah.

02:10:52.060 The policy, I agree with a hundred percent.

02:10:54.200 Right.

02:10:54.840 And so I, when I, cause they asked Trump about it, they're like, what about the alligators?

02:10:58.540 You're like, I guess if they escape, they'll get eaten by alligators.

02:11:01.700 I guess that's the plan.

02:11:03.300 Now, it's funny because like, no, we don't really want that.

02:11:07.260 It's a real, right.

02:11:07.880 And I don't, I don't think Trump wants to, even if he doesn't care about human life.

02:11:12.120 He's the only one who even talks about all the lives being lost in these wars.

02:11:15.880 He's the only one that ever brings it up as, as far as world leaders are concerned.

02:11:19.960 Yeah.

02:11:20.220 No.

02:11:20.360 So yeah, I know he cares about the life involved.

02:11:22.800 Yeah.

02:11:23.160 And it's like, I, I don't, it's interesting.

02:11:26.020 Like where I think the typical politician, right.

02:11:28.700 Would say, oh no, it's not really good.

02:11:31.800 We're not talking about people getting eaten by alligators.

02:11:34.320 We're talking about a detention facility.

02:11:35.780 That's away from the population that is convenient to an airport.

02:11:39.160 It just would have been a much better spin on it.

02:11:41.800 And Trump intentionally goes the opposite direction.

02:11:45.700 Exactly.

02:11:45.920 He makes it sound theoretically worse to the left.

02:11:49.520 Like he, he, I don't know if it's trolling or what, like.

02:11:52.800 It must be.

02:11:53.600 Cause there's no, no part of this policy has anything to do with alligators eating migrants.

02:11:58.840 That is not, I mean, I guess in theory,

02:12:01.340 it's hard to escape from, right.

02:12:03.860 Yeah.

02:12:04.140 Because you're so in the middle of nowhere, but like no part of this is like,

02:12:08.020 Hey, we think a good, look, we're going to enforce the border by putting people in areas

02:12:12.260 where they, if they leave, they'll be eaten by alligators.

02:12:14.480 That's not the policy.

02:12:15.640 Right.

02:12:16.060 Right.

02:12:16.300 It's just a catchy name for a place that's in the Everglades,

02:12:19.400 but it plays into the left.

02:12:22.260 I see what you're saying.

02:12:22.940 And all of their nonsense.

02:12:24.480 And it just, to me, it would have been better to avoid all that.

02:12:28.080 Right.

02:12:29.780 See, I, you know, yeah, I mean, look, if you are one of the weird ones that don't want

02:12:36.060 all illegal immigrants eaten by reptiles.

02:12:40.140 Okay.

02:12:40.860 Yeah.

02:12:41.220 Yeah.

02:12:41.380 I'm out there on a limb.

02:12:42.600 If that's you.

02:12:43.340 Out there on a limb.

02:12:44.400 All right.

02:12:44.740 Have a great 4th of July.

02:12:46.420 Great Independence Day.

02:12:48.880 We will be back on Monday and Glenn will return.

02:12:52.180 This is Glenn Beck.

The Glenn Beck Program - July 03, 2025

UPenn CAVES to Trump, Apologizes to REAL Women for Lia Thomas ｜ 7⧸3⧸25

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