The Glenn Beck Program - 'Us vs. Them？' (w⧸ Ian Bremmer)

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00:00:11.500 Love. Courage. Truth. Glenn Beck.

00:00:18.180 Well, the 4th of July came early yesterday. I don't know if you noticed that.

00:00:22.120 I mean, if you were on Twitter, it was the 4th of July.

00:00:24.880 Twitter left was all ablaze with the thought of one of their own, defecting to the other side.

00:00:30.700 The betrayal! The loss of trust! Traitor!

00:00:36.380 Kanye West. Yes, my cracker, I'm actually talking about a rapper.

00:00:44.040 This is still the Glenn Beck Program, don't adjust your radio.

00:00:46.960 But Kanye West has been making waves in the Twitterverse in the past few days

00:00:51.780 by showing support for President Trump and also, and this might have been the biggest sin of all,

00:00:56.700 actually challenging the narrative that African Americans always have to toe the Democratic line.

00:01:04.040 It all started a couple of days ago when Kanye tweeted support for Turning Point USA and Candace Owens.

00:01:11.500 With a seven-word tweet, he lit the fuse.

00:01:14.960 The meltdown began after Kanye tweeted,

00:01:18.440 I love the way Candace Owens thinks, end quote.

00:01:21.720 That's it.

00:01:23.980 Instantly, the left began calling West a tool of the far right.

00:01:28.260 First, it was the alt-right.

00:01:30.300 And I'm trying to get my arms around...

00:01:32.140 Wait a minute.

00:01:33.500 The Nazi guys?

00:01:35.740 The racist guys?

00:01:36.980 They love Kanye West and he's part of them?

00:01:43.240 Come on.

00:01:43.880 There's absolutely nothing far right with Candace Owens.

00:01:49.280 But the liberal mudslinging piled on.

00:01:51.400 If you're curious about the kinds of things Candace says, you know, that has the left in such uproar,

00:01:56.440 she makes points, and brace yourself for this, like,

00:02:00.520 if Black Lives Matter really cared about black lives,

00:02:03.860 they might help stop Planned Parenthood from killing African American babies.

00:02:07.540 Oh my gosh!

00:02:08.880 She didn't say that, did she?

00:02:11.160 What a racist!

00:02:12.480 Well, to the left, that language is tantamount to an unforgivable sin.

00:02:19.020 You are out of the club.

00:02:22.000 As the left tried to bully Kanye into submission,

00:02:25.260 as per their standard operating procedure,

00:02:27.560 he didn't back down,

00:02:28.620 and here are just a few of the heretical things he dared tweet.

00:02:33.080 Quote,

00:02:33.560 There was a time when slavery was the trend,

00:02:37.020 and apparently that time is still upon us.

00:02:40.020 But now it's mentality.

00:02:42.100 Self-victimization is a disease.

00:02:45.520 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what?

00:02:47.900 Here's another one.

00:02:49.620 Obama was in office for eight years,

00:02:51.940 and nothing in Chicago changed.

00:02:54.400 End quote.

00:02:54.840 That one is the one that put the left into a tailspin.

00:03:01.380 I don't know anything, really, about Kanye West.

00:03:04.540 Everything he is doing right now might just be an elaborate promotion,

00:03:08.460 you know, for a tour or his next album or what.

00:03:11.020 I don't know.

00:03:12.520 But even if that's the case,

00:03:14.600 I love the way he has wittingly or unwittingly

00:03:17.780 made this point regarding the American political climate.

00:03:21.060 He has lit a fuse now at the cultural level.

00:03:28.020 How ironic was it that literally within seconds of tweeting this,

00:03:33.940 the thought police want to suppress freedom of thought,

00:03:36.740 that the liberal thought police went into action trying to smear Kanye

00:03:41.140 and everyone that he was supporting.

00:03:45.200 You see, freedom of thought is dangerous to hardliners

00:03:49.560 on both the left and the right.

00:03:51.060 They need to call you traitor.

00:03:53.100 They need to call you a heretic,

00:03:57.900 which they have to do it.

00:04:00.580 On both sides, the hardliners will do it every time.

00:04:03.960 And the left has a lot of hardliners.

00:04:07.740 Freedom of thought is the unforgivable sin.

00:04:12.380 If you dare listen to somebody with an opposing view

00:04:14.920 or, heaven forbid, challenge the narrative,

00:04:18.100 you're beaten into submission.

00:04:19.460 It doesn't have to be this way.

00:04:24.920 So, promotional stunt or not,

00:04:27.180 I applaud, I can't believe I was saying this,

00:04:29.420 I applaud Kanye West for bringing this to light.

00:04:32.440 I might have to start paying attention to Kanye a little bit more,

00:04:39.900 but I don't really want to go so far to find the rap section in the record store.

00:04:47.900 Do they even have record stores?

00:04:50.360 You know, I had a very interesting conversation with Dave Rubin,

00:05:04.320 who I love.

00:05:07.080 Dave Rubin is a guy who I disagree with on a few things,

00:05:10.440 but I don't think very many.

00:05:13.940 He is a remarkable, honest broker.

00:05:19.360 He's a guy who has taken on the left.

00:05:21.860 He was a progressive, and he realized,

00:05:25.000 you know, I don't think I'm a progressive.

00:05:28.340 And was actually on Young Turks.

00:05:33.060 And realized, he started listening to them.

00:05:36.820 And he was like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

00:05:39.620 If that's what we're supposed to believe,

00:05:42.080 I don't believe that.

00:05:44.320 And last year, he came out and said,

00:05:46.920 I'm a libertarian.

00:05:49.040 I'm a constitutionalist.

00:05:51.300 And I'm not with these guys.

00:05:54.740 Because these guys are the thought police.

00:05:57.840 These guys are leading us down a road of tyranny.

00:06:01.580 And I spent about a half an hour with him yesterday on television.

00:06:07.660 We did another 20 or 30 minutes off air,

00:06:11.820 and I'm going to play some of it today and another clip of it tomorrow.

00:06:15.820 He is a remarkably brave man

00:06:19.100 who has challenged his own people.

00:06:23.720 And he had an interesting viewpoint on Kanye yesterday.

00:06:28.300 He said, think what you want about Kanye.

00:06:30.360 He said, but he has started a fire in culture now.

00:06:35.680 He said, you know, the Kardashians,

00:06:38.240 don't go up against the Kardashians.

00:06:40.140 They're really smart at social media.

00:06:43.400 And he said, here's Kanye lighting this fuse of free thought.

00:06:49.100 And even if he's doing it for promotional purposes,

00:06:52.720 look what's happening.

00:06:55.980 He's bringing out and dragging it into the public

00:07:00.540 that there are thought police on the left.

00:07:04.820 He really believes this is the beginning of the end

00:07:07.840 for the left and thought police.

00:07:10.720 You remember, what killed it back in the 1960s

00:07:14.160 were two events.

00:07:15.880 One was Altamont and the shooting,

00:07:19.900 or was it the stabbing, I think, at Altamont.

00:07:23.540 And the left just went too far with violence.

00:07:29.240 And the other was the Beatles song, Revolution.

00:07:32.940 You say you want a revolution.

00:07:35.240 Well, that whole song was, no.

00:07:39.920 They don't want a revolution.

00:07:41.940 You're carrying around pictures of Chairman Mao.

00:07:45.020 You say you want to change the Constitution.

00:07:47.740 Well, we want to change your head.

00:07:49.660 You're carrying around the pictures of Chairman Mao.

00:07:53.300 It's not going to work anyhow.

00:07:55.800 So, those two things were the culture,

00:08:02.680 getting into culture and saying, I reject this.

00:08:07.260 Is Kanye West the beginning of that fuse?

00:08:10.180 Welcome to the program, Steve Regeer,

00:08:12.140 otherwise known as Stu, for some reason.

00:08:14.300 Thank you, Glenn.

00:08:15.640 How are you?

00:08:16.060 I think Dave's probably right there.

00:08:18.000 We can't ignore these things because they're such big deals.

00:08:20.960 And when these cultural things happen, as we've seen.

00:08:25.400 I mean, they wind up taking over everybody's thought process

00:08:30.000 for multiple days and sometimes do make big changes like that.

00:08:33.100 It's a bit frustrating.

00:08:35.000 I mean, we are so starved for any celebrity attention on the right.

00:08:39.900 Like, this guy that everyone seemed to agree was completely insane

00:08:44.320 two days ago is now the conservative hero.

00:08:48.600 Right.

00:08:48.880 That's just really...

00:08:50.160 I don't think, though...

00:08:51.040 But I don't think that's Dave's...

00:08:53.320 I don't think that's Dave's point.

00:08:54.740 Oh, no.

00:08:55.060 I mean, Dave...

00:08:55.520 I'm sure it's not.

00:08:55.880 Yeah, Dave is not like, hey, he's a hero of the...

00:08:58.600 What he's saying is, the guy has just brought this

00:09:02.200 into popular conversation.

00:09:06.080 So, now it's down.

00:09:07.400 It's out of our circles.

00:09:08.800 It's out of talk radio circles.

00:09:10.620 I mean, I could care less.

00:09:12.320 Really, could you care less about anybody, you know,

00:09:14.940 more than Kanye West?

00:09:17.840 Yes, I don't care at all.

00:09:18.880 I don't care at all.

00:09:20.160 I don't care at all.

00:09:21.560 However, the people that everybody's been trying to reach

00:09:25.580 and say, wake up!

00:09:28.020 How do you not see this?

00:09:30.280 He's reaching them.

00:09:32.600 Remember, we kept saying, you know,

00:09:34.260 yeah, because nobody cares about the Constitution.

00:09:36.540 Nobody cares what's going on,

00:09:37.620 because they're watching the Kardashians.

00:09:41.040 Guess who he's married to?

00:09:43.160 I mean, it's a really big deal.

00:09:46.660 No, it's true.

00:09:48.840 I mean, I think this is...

00:09:51.260 I guess what I'm expressing is something different

00:09:53.420 than what Dave's expressing.

00:09:54.500 What I'm expressing is a frustration at the reality.

00:09:57.940 What he's describing is the reality.

00:09:59.940 It is the reality.

00:10:01.080 Yeah, I know, I know.

00:10:02.100 And so, he's right.

00:10:03.240 I mean, this will move more people

00:10:05.920 than any spreadsheet, any graph,

00:10:10.380 any constitutional argument.

00:10:12.960 You know, it's just the truth.

00:10:15.640 It's just where we are in our society.

00:10:17.920 Right.

00:10:18.180 And it's not going to move people

00:10:20.220 towards being conservative.

00:10:22.300 It's going to move people to say,

00:10:24.940 hey, I don't have to accept your junk.

00:10:27.860 Wait a minute.

00:10:28.700 You're shouting me down?

00:10:30.920 I don't think so, Jack.

00:10:32.840 I'm not a loser because you say I'm a loser

00:10:35.580 because I support this person or this person

00:10:37.920 or I've listened or talked to this person.

00:10:40.880 Yeah.

00:10:41.340 And so, there's a breaking of this logjam

00:10:44.140 of where everybody was just falling in line.

00:10:47.520 No, I've got to...

00:10:48.360 No, I've...

00:10:49.160 No, they're not cool

00:10:50.120 because all the cool people say they're not cool.

00:10:52.480 Well, wait a minute.

00:10:53.620 Here's a cool person saying,

00:10:55.680 I don't know.

00:10:56.300 I think some of this stuff is kind of cool.

00:10:59.100 Yeah.

00:10:59.500 I mean, was it Dave or Jonah Goldberg?

00:11:02.540 Who were we talking to the last couple of days

00:11:04.340 who was talking about going and talking to colleges?

00:11:08.420 Or maybe it was...

00:11:09.380 It was Ben Shapiro.

00:11:10.300 Ben Shapiro.

00:11:10.840 And he's talking about how you go and talk to colleges

00:11:13.040 and you say,

00:11:13.480 do you realize, you know,

00:11:15.200 you think it's rebellious?

00:11:17.260 You think it's rebellious to side

00:11:19.460 with the left-leaning media,

00:11:21.620 with the left-leaning professors,

00:11:24.340 with the left-leaning faculty?

00:11:26.620 And you go through all of this,

00:11:27.780 like, what's actually rebellious?

00:11:29.700 And here's something that I think is really...

00:11:31.460 That could actually come out of this.

00:11:32.800 At some point,

00:11:34.140 if you can define rebellious

00:11:36.740 as being...

00:11:38.820 As questioning...

00:11:39.800 Thomas Jefferson.

00:11:40.800 Yeah, right.

00:11:41.220 But questioning, you know,

00:11:43.260 questioning the status quo with the left

00:11:46.180 and the way these things go,

00:11:47.520 where every African-American has to be a Democrat,

00:11:50.140 and 92% to 96% of African-Americans

00:11:53.320 will vote Democrat over and over and over and over again.

00:11:56.200 When it becomes rebellious to go the opposite way,

00:11:59.600 that's when you may see change.

00:12:01.340 And Kanye West is smart enough...

00:12:03.700 Again, I think he's completely insane 95% of the time,

00:12:06.860 but he's smart enough to realize that at least,

00:12:08.660 at the very least for publicity's sake,

00:12:11.060 he realizes that being rebellious,

00:12:13.520 the craziest way to get attention right now

00:12:15.820 is to say something that could possibly

00:12:17.700 be construed as conservative.

00:12:19.660 And so him coming out,

00:12:20.980 he's generating a lot of, you know,

00:12:23.960 interest because of that.

00:12:25.020 And if it becomes...

00:12:26.140 People understand that as rebellious,

00:12:27.740 that is going to be a positive change.

00:12:29.500 So you just said that he's crazy.

00:12:31.640 Yes.

00:12:31.800 And that's what the left is saying now.

00:12:34.260 That's what we were saying 48 hours ago,

00:12:36.200 to be clear.

00:12:36.880 Everybody on the right knew he was insane 48 hours ago.

00:12:40.400 He was a genius to the left 48 hours ago, by the way.

00:12:43.260 Right, yeah.

00:12:44.240 So I'm, you know, let me just say this.

00:12:47.840 I don't know if he's crazy or not.

00:12:49.260 I don't know the guy.

00:12:50.460 I don't pay attention.

00:12:51.680 I know nothing about him.

00:12:53.980 You know what I mean?

00:12:55.240 And now that he's in kind of our sphere

00:12:57.540 of, you know, topics.

00:13:01.880 I mean, I've never been, you know, Kanye West.

00:13:04.520 I don't know anything about him.

00:13:06.240 Yeah, you know, you read a tweet.

00:13:07.860 Yeah, that's an idiotic tweet.

00:13:09.240 He's an idiot.

00:13:09.880 Whatever.

00:13:10.780 But now that he is actually tweeting something

00:13:13.500 that is into our realm of influence,

00:13:16.820 I do want to look into the guy.

00:13:18.860 He may be...

00:13:20.300 Here's my guess.

00:13:21.180 He is...

00:13:23.180 He's married to Kim Kardashian, right?

00:13:25.520 Yes.

00:13:26.740 Who's the mom?

00:13:28.260 The Kardashian mom.

00:13:29.700 Kris Jenner.

00:13:30.240 Kris Jenner, okay.

00:13:31.540 So Kris Jenner, I think, is a marketing genius.

00:13:35.100 And she's the one that's been keeping the family afloat.

00:13:37.640 And far as, you know, far as orchestrating

00:13:40.940 and showing everybody, here's how you do it.

00:13:42.900 I think she is...

00:13:44.100 I can't believe I'm saying this.

00:13:45.940 But I think she's the one who has the brains.

00:13:49.200 You don't think so, Stu?

00:13:50.060 No, I just find it interesting

00:13:51.080 that you have any opinion on this.

00:13:52.920 I have very little opinion.

00:13:54.860 It's not going very...

00:13:55.940 The inner workings of the Kardashian family

00:13:58.180 and which one is the marketing genius...

00:14:00.120 I think they're all marketing geniuses.

00:14:01.980 I'll say that.

00:14:02.500 I think they are.

00:14:03.240 But I think mom, you know, has...

00:14:08.320 I think mom set the table here.

00:14:10.680 You know what I mean?

00:14:12.680 And from what I've read,

00:14:16.200 mom is giving advice on things with Kanye

00:14:20.040 and trying to keep him relevant.

00:14:22.080 Now, if that's true,

00:14:23.940 this just might be a marketing thing

00:14:26.560 to keep, you know, the son-in-law relevant

00:14:29.280 for this new whatever he's going to do.

00:14:32.500 So my guess is that's what's happening.

00:14:36.800 That Kanye may have seen that one tweet

00:14:40.640 that went out and said,

00:14:42.140 I like the way she thinks.

00:14:44.400 And he tweeted that.

00:14:46.560 And it might have just been a one-off.

00:14:48.980 Then the storm started.

00:14:51.760 I'm guessing mom gets involved.

00:14:54.440 And whether they're furthering all of these things

00:14:56.860 just because you're in the news

00:14:59.140 and any press is good press,

00:15:01.460 I don't know.

00:15:03.600 But what I do like

00:15:05.120 is the fact that somewhere,

00:15:08.260 people that the right could have never reached

00:15:11.520 and never reached,

00:15:13.280 not with the message of being conservative,

00:15:15.460 but the message that is more important,

00:15:18.540 freedom of thought,

00:15:20.440 freedom of speech,

00:15:22.080 freedom of association,

00:15:24.320 freedom to go where you want,

00:15:26.260 think what you want,

00:15:27.420 listen to what you want

00:15:29.240 without somebody shouting you down

00:15:31.660 is of critical importance.

00:15:35.460 And I can't believe,

00:15:36.780 it just may end up being

00:15:38.580 that Kanye West

00:15:39.980 is responsible

00:15:41.840 for lighting a fuse

00:15:44.560 that could blow up

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00:18:28.640 Is Kanye going to be on this episode?

00:18:32.420 No, but maybe next episode, Stu.

00:18:35.620 I can see it.

00:18:36.480 This is the type of thing he's doing now.

00:18:38.260 I, yeah.

00:18:39.500 It's going to be pretty,

00:18:40.120 it's a great show.

00:18:40.580 Yeah, we'll talk more next week about that.

00:18:41.760 It's a great conversation that you have,

00:18:43.560 you know,

00:18:44.180 that's going to air tonight.

00:18:45.680 But I mean,

00:18:46.000 it's something that I think

00:18:47.480 oddly is very much needed

00:18:49.960 in the country.

00:18:51.300 I mean,

00:18:51.540 like there's no point

00:18:52.720 in the conversation

00:18:53.520 in which you decide

00:18:55.180 you really like socialism.

00:18:57.160 Like there's no point

00:18:58.160 in this conversation

00:18:58.660 where you know what?

00:18:59.260 High taxes are the right thing.

00:19:01.340 It's not what this is about.

00:19:02.560 It's about just finding those things

00:19:04.120 because I think they do exist

00:19:05.800 where we actually do agree

00:19:08.800 with each other.

00:19:09.640 I mean,

00:19:09.920 Kanye West is a fairly good example,

00:19:12.120 though I can't believe

00:19:12.660 we're bringing it up again,

00:19:14.020 in that like both conservatives,

00:19:17.480 and Kanye West

00:19:19.180 want black unemployment

00:19:20.560 to be low.

00:19:21.900 Yes.

00:19:22.440 Right?

00:19:22.720 And it is.

00:19:23.320 It's the lowest it's been in history.

00:19:25.480 So that's a good thing

00:19:26.900 they can both agree on.

00:19:28.480 Yeah.

00:19:28.800 But there is some contentious moments

00:19:31.520 in this tonight

00:19:32.140 when we start talking about gun control

00:19:34.540 because it was a tough conversation.

00:19:38.500 It was actually not.

00:19:39.300 It was a great conversation.

00:19:41.300 It got a little tough

00:19:42.640 when people started saying

00:19:44.020 it's an undisputed fact

00:19:45.380 because there's lots of disputed facts.

00:19:51.980 Yeah.

00:19:52.720 It is a big,

00:19:55.080 you know,

00:19:55.640 you're going to always have

00:19:56.660 some questions.

00:19:57.820 You're always going to have

00:19:58.700 those moments

00:19:59.800 where you're going to disagree,

00:20:01.200 but that's okay.

00:20:02.000 Like,

00:20:02.640 as human beings,

00:20:04.000 and that's Kanye West's point,

00:20:05.780 right?

00:20:05.900 Like,

00:20:06.020 that's what we should learn out of this.

00:20:06.960 Yeah.

00:20:07.040 The fact that he disagrees with you

00:20:08.740 about some issue

00:20:10.460 doesn't mean you shouldn't like his music

00:20:11.960 or should be able to flame him

00:20:13.240 on Twitter or whatever.

00:20:14.580 I sat next to this

00:20:15.940 liberal progressive college professor

00:20:18.240 and we talked about gun control

00:20:22.440 and we both ended with saying,

00:20:25.920 this is the best conversation

00:20:26.800 I've had about gun control

00:20:27.840 in a long time.

00:20:29.160 Watch it tonight at five.

00:20:30.460 Glenn Beck.

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00:20:42.820 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:20:45.580 Yesterday,

00:20:46.360 I sat down here in Los Angeles

00:20:48.100 with Dave Rubin

00:20:49.140 and had a fascinating conversation.

00:20:53.280 Here's a clip of it.

00:20:55.160 This is,

00:20:56.380 we were talking about Kanye West

00:20:58.820 and what he thinks this means.

00:21:02.660 I'm not a huge Kanye fan

00:21:03.980 as an artist.

00:21:05.160 I like Sinatra

00:21:06.140 and I have Dean Martin

00:21:07.040 playing at my house all day long.

00:21:08.240 So that's more,

00:21:09.060 just musically,

00:21:09.840 that's where I'm at.

00:21:10.460 Herb Alpert.

00:21:11.100 You know Herb Alpert?

00:21:11.780 You're a big 70s guy

00:21:12.600 with the horn?

00:21:13.360 Yes, I do.

00:21:13.780 Herb Alpert.

00:21:14.000 Okay.

00:21:14.580 So that's what's going on

00:21:15.300 in my house all day long.

00:21:16.100 So this isn't about-

00:21:16.740 I've got a great Herb Alpert story

00:21:17.800 I'll tell you before you leave.

00:21:18.840 Oh, I can't wait.

00:21:19.540 I can't wait.

00:21:20.800 So I can't talk to Kanye

00:21:22.740 in terms of the art specifically,

00:21:25.020 but this guy,

00:21:25.960 without question,

00:21:27.160 is a true mover.

00:21:28.900 He is someone

00:21:29.580 that can say something

00:21:30.740 and move people's minds.

00:21:32.580 Yes.

00:21:33.180 And with him tweeting

00:21:34.240 these seven simple words,

00:21:35.900 I love the way

00:21:36.660 Candace Owens thinks.

00:21:38.120 Candace is a friend of mine.

00:21:39.140 We just were at Berkeley

00:21:40.380 together last week.

00:21:41.760 She was a lefty.

00:21:43.360 She now has woken up to that.

00:21:45.220 She believes the things

00:21:46.720 that we've been talking about,

00:21:47.700 about identity politics

00:21:48.760 and what democratic policies

00:21:50.040 have done to the black community.

00:21:52.220 She talks about how it's decimated

00:21:53.660 not only people in her own family,

00:21:55.640 but in her community.

00:21:59.000 And now look what's happening.

00:22:00.360 The entire media,

00:22:01.760 Daily Beast,

00:22:03.220 BuzzFeed,

00:22:04.140 Mediaite,

00:22:04.700 all talking about Kanye

00:22:06.120 as far right.

00:22:07.600 Then Scott Adams,

00:22:08.640 the best-selling author

00:22:09.400 and Dilbert creator,

00:22:10.760 offers a little defense

00:22:11.980 of Kanye now.

00:22:12.760 He's far right.

00:22:13.980 I mean,

00:22:14.220 we've seen them do this

00:22:15.220 with a zillion other people

00:22:16.120 that we know,

00:22:16.560 Jordan Peterson,

00:22:17.380 everyone.

00:22:18.020 Well,

00:22:18.180 they didn't call him far right.

00:22:19.560 They called him alt-right.

00:22:20.580 Oh,

00:22:20.780 and then,

00:22:21.020 well,

00:22:21.140 it's both.

00:22:21.740 Well,

00:22:22.600 because the reason

00:22:23.300 that they're now using far right

00:22:24.600 a little more than alt-right

00:22:25.580 is they realized

00:22:26.620 they really lost,

00:22:28.380 they went so bananas

00:22:29.740 with that one

00:22:30.500 that now they've shifted it

00:22:32.080 where you're seeing

00:22:32.460 a little less alt-right,

00:22:33.520 you're seeing a little more far right.

00:22:35.360 But what people have woken up to

00:22:37.100 is that anyone,

00:22:39.540 first off,

00:22:40.300 Kanye,

00:22:40.760 I don't know if you know this,

00:22:41.400 but Kanye is black.

00:22:42.620 So,

00:22:43.220 let me get this straight.

00:22:44.400 The new hero of the alt-right

00:22:46.180 is a black man.

00:22:47.420 He's a black man

00:22:47.980 who thinks for himself.

00:22:49.480 Hitler loved black people.

00:22:50.640 Love the Jews.

00:22:51.420 Love black people.

00:22:52.460 But this is,

00:22:53.280 you can always poke holes

00:22:54.700 in these insane

00:22:55.560 ideological inconsistencies.

00:22:57.520 So,

00:22:57.840 if you really want to understand

00:22:59.040 where prejudice comes from,

00:23:00.420 where bigotry comes from,

00:23:02.480 prejudice,

00:23:03.020 what does it mean?

00:23:03.620 Pre-judging.

00:23:05.080 If you look at a black man,

00:23:06.600 Kanye,

00:23:07.060 and you go,

00:23:07.680 if he doesn't think,

00:23:09.160 as a white liberal,

00:23:10.200 right,

00:23:10.460 it's because that's who he usually is,

00:23:12.060 this black man doesn't think

00:23:13.180 the way I want him to think.

00:23:14.200 He must be part of the alt-right

00:23:15.480 or he's a sellout

00:23:16.500 or he's,

00:23:17.280 you think it's possible

00:23:18.060 he has capacity

00:23:18.760 over his own mind?

00:23:19.940 Do you think he might have

00:23:20.820 care for a community

00:23:22.440 that you don't know about

00:23:23.520 or maybe don't care about

00:23:25.120 or whatever?

00:23:25.600 So,

00:23:25.860 I think he's,

00:23:26.720 I think,

00:23:27.820 the reason that

00:23:29.300 you like what I'm doing,

00:23:30.400 that I've offered

00:23:30.920 a little bit of an outlet here

00:23:32.760 for people that are coming

00:23:33.940 from the left

00:23:34.380 to go,

00:23:34.740 wait a minute,

00:23:35.200 freedom,

00:23:36.120 that's the road.

00:23:37.060 I think Kanye,

00:23:38.020 just with a simple tweet,

00:23:39.640 and now he's been on

00:23:40.240 a major Twitter thing

00:23:41.260 the last couple of days,

00:23:42.440 I think he's given oxygen

00:23:44.080 in a place that needed oxygen

00:23:46.100 and all of these people

00:23:47.440 are going to start

00:23:48.040 coming out and going,

00:23:48.860 because you have,

00:23:49.780 me too,

00:23:49.980 me too.

00:23:50.540 You have,

00:23:51.380 you're having,

00:23:52.120 you're seeing this.

00:23:53.380 People on the right

00:23:54.220 aren't seeing it.

00:23:55.800 I see it.

00:23:56.840 And they're just not seeing it

00:23:59.160 and I'm afraid

00:23:59.820 that some on the right

00:24:00.960 are kind of falling

00:24:01.720 into that kind of

00:24:02.480 progressive mindset

00:24:03.440 where you're either

00:24:04.520 all in

00:24:05.200 or you're a traitor.

00:24:06.240 Yeah.

00:24:06.680 That's horrible.

00:24:08.080 Yeah.

00:24:09.380 But you,

00:24:11.220 you believe there is

00:24:12.760 a big enough movement

00:24:14.120 of,

00:24:14.720 and I don't mean,

00:24:15.540 I want to make this

00:24:16.180 really clear.

00:24:17.420 I don't need anybody

00:24:18.420 to agree with me.

00:24:19.500 I don't need to go

00:24:20.760 sell you on my ideology

00:24:22.700 or my thoughts.

00:24:23.920 I just want to be able

00:24:25.160 to have an open,

00:24:26.800 decent conversation

00:24:28.080 and not be a pariah

00:24:30.820 and live next door

00:24:33.160 to somebody

00:24:33.760 who feels the same way.

00:24:35.480 By the way,

00:24:35.820 you just worded that

00:24:36.460 slightly different,

00:24:37.080 but that's pretty much

00:24:37.700 what Kanye is saying

00:24:38.500 in these tweets now.

00:24:39.160 Right.

00:24:39.400 That's all he's saying,

00:24:40.340 be a free thinker.

00:24:41.260 Right.

00:24:41.400 But they can't have

00:24:42.860 free thinkers.

00:24:43.900 This is why they purge everybody

00:24:45.400 and it's not just

00:24:46.500 someone that might be

00:24:47.440 a black conservative,

00:24:48.520 a Thomas Sowell

00:24:49.120 or a Larry Elder

00:24:49.840 or a Candace or Kanye,

00:24:51.120 and I'm not even calling

00:24:51.820 him a conservative,

00:24:52.700 but it's everyone.

00:24:53.800 It's why lefty,

00:24:55.220 lifetime lefty,

00:24:56.560 Brett Weinstein

00:24:57.500 at Evergreen State

00:24:58.680 dare say something

00:25:00.140 they don't like.

00:25:01.260 You're not a progressive anymore.

00:25:02.400 You're actually going

00:25:02.800 to lose your job

00:25:03.580 and your wife's going

00:25:04.260 to lose her job too.

00:25:05.940 And it's amazing

00:25:06.900 because to work

00:25:08.300 at Evergreen,

00:25:08.980 that makes Salt Lake City

00:25:11.340 look like Berkeley.

00:25:12.820 You know what I mean?

00:25:13.980 But that's the thing.

00:25:14.740 So let me get this straight.

00:25:15.720 Let me get this straight.

00:25:16.400 The place,

00:25:17.160 they say that Evergreen

00:25:18.980 is basically the leftmost college

00:25:20.680 in the United States

00:25:21.300 or within the top three or four.

00:25:22.980 You would think

00:25:23.580 if these policies

00:25:24.420 that these guys

00:25:25.080 are promoting all the time

00:25:26.000 are so wonderful

00:25:27.340 and so diverse

00:25:28.520 and all of this nonsense,

00:25:30.200 well then you'd think

00:25:30.820 it would be a bastion

00:25:31.660 of sanity

00:25:32.460 and pleasantness.

00:25:33.540 But no,

00:25:33.920 there's literally students

00:25:34.740 wandering around

00:25:35.260 with baseball bats

00:25:36.040 threatening people

00:25:36.860 because Brett decided

00:25:38.440 that he was going

00:25:39.220 to actually defend

00:25:40.580 the idea

00:25:41.400 that you can't segregate

00:25:42.320 based on race.

00:25:43.000 But we see this consistently

00:25:44.800 so they keep purging

00:25:45.920 these people

00:25:46.500 and all the same voices

00:25:47.960 keep getting purged

00:25:49.100 and I think for us

00:25:50.180 the challenge is

00:25:51.300 we've got to sit there,

00:25:52.680 be okay with some differences

00:25:54.000 which I know that we are

00:25:55.120 and they'll keep coming.

00:25:56.940 The question is

00:25:57.620 how deep

00:25:58.460 will those guys

00:25:59.720 drag everybody else?

00:26:01.580 And unfortunately,

00:26:02.700 although I do think

00:26:03.480 things are getting better,

00:26:04.460 it will get worse

00:26:05.480 before it truly turns.

00:26:07.500 And the question is

00:26:08.080 what do they take with them?

00:26:09.240 Do they really take down this?

00:26:13.580 Do they take this down

00:26:15.180 in their last fit of glory

00:26:17.800 as they're losing?

00:26:19.020 Because I believe

00:26:19.640 they can't win

00:26:21.020 because it's a movement

00:26:22.820 of destruction.

00:26:23.780 But do they take this

00:26:24.600 whole thing down with it?

00:26:25.660 That's the question

00:26:26.460 and that's why

00:26:26.900 we've got to fight, right?

00:26:28.380 What's your guess?

00:26:30.440 It will get worse

00:26:31.400 before it gets better,

00:26:32.580 but I think there are

00:26:33.360 so many signs

00:26:34.700 all over the place

00:26:36.800 from Kanye

00:26:37.540 to the reaction

00:26:38.440 that I'm getting

00:26:39.180 to all of the things

00:26:40.660 that we're talking about here

00:26:41.560 that average people

00:26:42.760 who are out there

00:26:43.940 who want to live

00:26:44.720 in a truly diverse

00:26:46.040 tolerant society

00:26:47.260 will come around.

00:26:49.600 And I think they are

00:26:50.260 coming around

00:26:50.820 and they're just not

00:26:51.620 screaming about it.

00:26:52.720 Maybe they're going to

00:26:53.220 have to start screaming.

00:26:54.200 It's not my style,

00:26:55.140 but maybe we need

00:26:55.820 more screamers

00:26:56.520 on this side.

00:26:57.540 But then it'll be our job

00:26:58.680 to kind of make sure

00:26:59.960 they don't go

00:27:00.680 off the deep end too.

00:27:02.320 But I'm hopeful

00:27:02.800 if I wasn't an optimist

00:27:03.820 I don't know

00:27:04.100 how I could do this, right?

00:27:05.080 Like fundamentally,

00:27:05.720 I would say

00:27:06.640 I'm a world-weary optimist.

00:27:08.640 I worry about the world.

00:27:10.380 You know, like when you're

00:27:11.420 I'm an optimistic

00:27:12.200 I'm an optimistic catastrophist.

00:27:16.020 That's why we can do this.

00:27:17.240 But you know

00:27:17.780 when you see somebody

00:27:18.460 like sitting at a coffee shop

00:27:19.480 and they're kind of

00:27:19.880 just staring at it

00:27:20.640 and sniffing this.

00:27:21.380 Like when I do that

00:27:22.280 I am truly worrying

00:27:23.480 about the world.

00:27:24.420 I am worrying about

00:27:25.580 what the fate

00:27:26.340 of the world is, really.

00:27:27.860 And I worry about that

00:27:29.040 disproportionate

00:27:30.060 to where most people

00:27:31.620 are worried about

00:27:32.140 their little day-to-day nonsense.

00:27:34.420 At the same time

00:27:35.160 I'm an optimist

00:27:35.840 because otherwise

00:27:36.340 what would be the point?

00:27:37.360 Why would I be doing this?

00:27:38.500 You know, I could find

00:27:39.160 I wanted to be in the NBA.

00:27:40.580 You know?

00:27:40.780 I think we are

00:27:42.700 I think the world

00:27:44.860 hasn't been here

00:27:45.580 since maybe 39.

00:27:47.580 There is no America

00:27:48.740 this time.

00:27:49.720 There's no rock

00:27:50.900 solid

00:27:51.780 this is right

00:27:53.220 this is wrong

00:27:54.240 country.

00:27:54.940 I don't know

00:27:55.500 which one that would be.

00:27:57.840 No, we're the best we got.

00:27:58.900 Yeah, the best we got.

00:27:59.980 So we're at the same

00:28:01.800 kind of position

00:28:02.520 where the world

00:28:03.340 could go very dark

00:28:04.580 very fast.

00:28:05.940 However

00:28:06.420 I was in Poland

00:28:08.140 and I was talking

00:28:08.820 to the

00:28:09.580 chief rabbi

00:28:12.260 of Poland there

00:28:13.280 and

00:28:13.820 I had asked him

00:28:16.600 you know

00:28:17.880 only 6,000

00:28:19.560 righteous

00:28:20.420 stood up

00:28:21.340 for the Jews

00:28:21.780 only 6,000

00:28:22.720 he looked at me

00:28:23.840 like I was crazy

00:28:24.720 and he said

00:28:25.820 only?

00:28:27.760 Do you know

00:28:28.120 how hard that was?

00:28:30.220 We started talking

00:28:31.100 and he said

00:28:31.500 listen

00:28:31.780 he said

00:28:32.860 you need to

00:28:34.140 you need to start

00:28:34.840 thinking more

00:28:35.780 with a longer view.

00:28:40.060 He said

00:28:40.420 if I would have

00:28:41.320 come to you

00:28:42.060 in 1939

00:28:43.020 and said

00:28:43.800 and you were Jewish

00:28:44.740 and said

00:28:45.340 don't worry

00:28:46.220 in just a few years

00:28:48.180 in 8 years

00:28:49.000 the state of Israel

00:28:50.820 will be

00:28:52.140 reset.

00:28:53.900 He said

00:28:54.480 you would have said

00:28:55.100 I was crazy.

00:28:56.420 He said

00:28:57.000 the world goes through

00:28:57.960 real periods

00:28:59.200 of darkness

00:28:59.780 but as long

00:29:00.620 as people

00:29:01.380 are willing

00:29:02.080 to stand up

00:29:03.060 and recognize

00:29:03.920 truth

00:29:04.600 you get through it.

00:29:06.580 So what's on the other

00:29:07.360 side of this

00:29:08.000 is exciting.

00:29:09.560 Yeah.

00:29:09.940 Can I throw in

00:29:10.420 one other thing?

00:29:11.080 Yeah.

00:29:11.460 So I spoke

00:29:12.760 at a Turning Point USA

00:29:13.940 event

00:29:14.360 you know

00:29:14.700 this young college

00:29:15.400 conservative thing

00:29:16.220 about a week ago

00:29:17.380 I go

00:29:18.060 I talked about

00:29:18.760 all the differences

00:29:19.500 we had

00:29:20.040 and I got a standing

00:29:20.980 ovation

00:29:21.380 despite all of the things

00:29:22.800 that I talk about

00:29:23.560 that are not

00:29:24.020 conservative principles.

00:29:25.380 When I was there

00:29:26.160 there's a guy

00:29:26.740 that goes to these events

00:29:27.560 and he hands out

00:29:28.180 these big constitutions

00:29:29.320 and bill of rights

00:29:30.720 and I'm putting them

00:29:31.380 up in my studio

00:29:32.420 you'll see them

00:29:32.940 next time we're there

00:29:33.620 and I have them

00:29:34.680 on the plane

00:29:35.100 with me

00:29:35.400 and I'm watching

00:29:36.020 on the plane

00:29:36.580 I was watching

00:29:37.100 The Darkest Hour

00:29:37.820 the Churchill movie

00:29:38.900 did you see it?

00:29:39.640 I love it.

00:29:40.640 And I was feeling

00:29:41.860 like I really was feeling

00:29:42.920 like wow

00:29:43.420 I'm living the life

00:29:44.460 that I want to live

00:29:45.200 like I just talked

00:29:45.980 about the things

00:29:46.580 that I want to talk about

00:29:47.260 here I've got

00:29:47.660 the Declaration of Constitution

00:29:48.760 in the thing above me

00:29:51.060 I'm watching this movie

00:29:52.160 and the thing

00:29:53.380 about Churchill

00:29:54.080 the only thing

00:29:55.500 that you need

00:29:55.940 to really know

00:29:56.660 about this guy

00:29:57.440 as everybody else

00:29:58.380 from Chamberlain on down

00:29:59.580 was trying to sell out

00:30:01.020 and figure out ways

00:30:01.780 to mitigate

00:30:02.360 and not

00:30:03.020 don't really face the truth

00:30:04.660 don't really face evil

00:30:05.760 all the guy said was

00:30:07.160 no

00:30:07.480 that's it

00:30:09.340 no we're not

00:30:10.940 going to do this

00:30:11.620 we're going to

00:30:12.140 you know

00:30:12.400 you got the royal family

00:30:13.680 thinking we're going

00:30:14.260 to move to Canada

00:30:14.980 literally

00:30:15.960 and Churchill's going

00:30:17.760 no we're going to

00:30:18.520 and that's all

00:30:19.520 that anyone

00:30:20.000 that's watching this

00:30:20.800 almost gave up

00:30:22.080 until somebody else

00:30:23.760 said no with him

00:30:25.120 yeah

00:30:25.500 you know it's interesting

00:30:26.740 about Churchill

00:30:27.440 because I'm fascinated

00:30:28.660 by Churchill

00:30:29.160 Churchill was a really

00:30:30.120 bad guy

00:30:30.800 he made a lot of mistakes

00:30:32.960 in India

00:30:33.860 he was a nightmare

00:30:35.400 yeah

00:30:35.780 you know

00:30:36.100 and there's so many

00:30:37.780 people that want to

00:30:39.060 on the left

00:30:40.160 totally dismantle

00:30:42.180 Churchill

00:30:42.620 because of what

00:30:43.400 he did in India

00:30:44.100 but if that was

00:30:45.840 all he was

00:30:47.180 okay

00:30:48.000 but he was also

00:30:49.900 this

00:30:50.560 and that's

00:30:52.280 who we are

00:30:53.120 we

00:30:53.680 throughout history

00:30:54.980 man is always

00:30:56.660 in conflict

00:30:58.020 he is always

00:30:59.320 well I think

00:31:00.640 this

00:31:01.140 but I'm blind

00:31:02.920 to what I'm

00:31:04.020 saying over here

00:31:05.380 which I should

00:31:06.560 apply

00:31:07.140 and if we

00:31:08.140 in the end

00:31:09.600 when he was

00:31:11.020 pushed and pushed

00:31:11.980 and pushed

00:31:12.480 on India

00:31:13.060 he did go back

00:31:14.580 and say

00:31:15.000 I treated Gandhi

00:31:15.940 horribly

00:31:16.360 I shouldn't have

00:31:16.980 done these things

00:31:17.680 I mean

00:31:18.500 we have to

00:31:20.220 take both sides

00:31:21.240 and learn

00:31:21.960 from that

00:31:23.500 we are just

00:31:24.200 people of our time

00:31:25.300 my favorite founder

00:31:26.240 who you mentioned

00:31:26.860 before

00:31:27.180 Thomas Jefferson

00:31:28.000 he owned slaves

00:31:29.320 while he was

00:31:29.980 writing the laws

00:31:30.820 of free slaves

00:31:32.120 that doesn't mean

00:31:33.440 you rip down

00:31:34.040 the monuments

00:31:34.580 that doesn't mean

00:31:35.180 you destroy

00:31:35.760 the past

00:31:36.400 the past

00:31:36.920 is what made us

00:31:37.660 now

00:31:38.000 and it's what's

00:31:38.520 going to make

00:31:38.840 the future

00:31:39.340 so except

00:31:40.520 we're all flawed

00:31:41.300 characters

00:31:41.760 we're all trying

00:31:42.660 we're all trying

00:31:43.540 but

00:31:43.740 do you think

00:31:44.000 we ever get

00:31:44.440 to a point

00:31:44.920 to where

00:31:45.360 you know

00:31:45.980 like the Me Too

00:31:46.640 movement

00:31:46.980 where there

00:31:47.500 some

00:31:48.400 now

00:31:48.920 some

00:31:49.780 I've seen

00:31:50.340 I've seen

00:31:50.960 Dustin Hoffman

00:31:51.800 you know

00:31:52.580 raked over the coals

00:31:53.760 have you seen that

00:31:54.600 for you know

00:31:55.480 what he did in 1971

00:31:56.480 it was a different world

00:31:57.340 in 1971

00:31:57.900 and that was his point

00:31:59.400 it was a different world

00:32:00.140 in 1971

00:32:00.740 some will accept that

00:32:02.640 many don't

00:32:04.280 but as I see that

00:32:05.360 we can use this

00:32:07.120 as an example

00:32:07.880 yes it was a different world

00:32:09.140 just as it was

00:32:11.080 a different world

00:32:12.020 back in

00:32:12.760 1771

00:32:14.540 yeah but you know what

00:32:15.440 if we lose this fight

00:32:16.700 if we lose this fight

00:32:17.860 the amount of things

00:32:19.000 that the culture

00:32:19.940 will tell us

00:32:20.720 that we believe now

00:32:21.500 to be totally decent things

00:32:22.720 it doesn't even matter

00:32:23.380 what they are

00:32:23.880 that I watched

00:32:24.380 The Simpsons or something

00:32:25.360 actually that's a pretty good example

00:32:26.760 it is

00:32:27.160 because you've got these people

00:32:27.940 now attacking up

00:32:28.660 who

00:32:28.900 who is a beloved character

00:32:30.380 in probably the greatest

00:32:31.400 comedy of all time

00:32:32.320 who taught them about immigration

00:32:33.500 and they had Indian weddings

00:32:34.900 and all this stuff

00:32:35.560 but they will

00:32:36.480 what if you

00:32:37.200 if you don't hold on

00:32:38.800 to something now

00:32:39.740 and that thing keeps going

00:32:41.260 and keeps going

00:32:41.920 and keeps going

00:32:42.400 everything

00:32:43.040 everything

00:32:43.880 they will find

00:32:44.620 every video

00:32:45.500 every radio show

00:32:46.480 that Glenn Beck ever did

00:32:47.660 and tell you

00:32:48.980 what a hateful extremist

00:32:51.100 and all of that

00:32:51.700 so that we're fighting

00:32:52.620 this is the beauty

00:32:53.820 we're fighting for society

00:32:55.240 but really we're fighting

00:32:56.180 for ourselves

00:32:56.880 and if you stand there

00:32:58.940 and you go

00:32:59.220 I'm going to stand for myself

00:33:00.580 other people will join you

00:33:02.540 because they want to stand

00:33:03.360 for themselves

00:33:04.040 courage is contagious

00:33:05.940 damn right

00:33:06.940 and you are a plague in shoes

00:33:08.920 good for you

00:33:10.160 good for you

00:33:11.060 thanks brother

00:33:11.820 you bet

00:33:12.320 it's Dave Rubin

00:33:14.560 tomorrow

00:33:15.620 a bit of our conversation

00:33:17.280 I asked him

00:33:18.720 about abortion

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00:33:23.440 he is

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00:33:28.580 I was a progressive

00:33:29.540 and then started

00:33:30.320 to see people

00:33:31.340 on the progressive side

00:33:34.120 shut down free speech

00:33:35.500 and he thought

00:33:36.520 you know

00:33:37.120 I gotta rethink this

00:33:39.080 he is

00:33:40.380 a remarkably

00:33:41.700 brave man

00:33:42.680 you can find him

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00:35:09.040 Glenn

00:35:11.180 Beck

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00:35:13.040 Glenn Beck

00:35:25.800 We have Ian Bremmer

00:35:28.820 on

00:35:29.140 the author of

00:35:31.440 the new book

00:35:32.100 Us vs.

00:35:33.140 Them

00:35:33.500 The Failure

00:35:34.220 of Globalism

00:35:35.020 he's coming up

00:35:35.860 in just a second

00:35:36.400 lots of interesting

00:35:37.420 things to hear

00:35:38.120 from Ian

00:35:38.840 that we want

00:35:39.420 to share with you

00:35:40.040 and Dave Rubin

00:35:41.420 you know

00:35:41.820 talked

00:35:42.120 he spoke up

00:35:43.780 when it was

00:35:44.160 difficult

00:35:44.500 right

00:35:44.860 like he

00:35:45.540 he realized

00:35:46.340 his side

00:35:46.960 had screwed

00:35:47.460 something up

00:35:47.980 he didn't like

00:35:48.380 where his side

00:35:48.980 was going

00:35:49.460 and he spoke

00:35:50.040 up against

00:35:50.460 the people

00:35:50.820 he worked

00:35:51.220 with

00:35:51.340 and everything

00:35:51.580 else

00:35:51.780 let me give you

00:35:52.160 two examples

00:35:52.660 where we need

00:35:53.260 more of this

00:35:53.740 right now

00:35:54.240 Ronnie Jackson

00:35:56.000 the guy

00:35:56.880 who is

00:35:57.400 being

00:35:58.120 tossed up

00:35:59.180 as the head

00:35:59.920 of the VA

00:36:00.460 by Donald Trump

00:36:02.140 the personal

00:36:02.600 doctor of Trump

00:36:03.340 but also the

00:36:04.320 personal doctor

00:36:04.940 of Obama

00:36:05.560 for eight years

00:36:06.720 this guy's being

00:36:07.920 absolutely slaughtered

00:36:09.580 in the media

00:36:10.000 right now

00:36:10.500 he's apparently

00:36:11.200 the worst guy

00:36:11.880 ever

00:36:12.140 huge drinking

00:36:13.060 problem

00:36:13.560 all these things

00:36:14.340 he was praised

00:36:15.680 constantly

00:36:16.660 by Obama

00:36:17.580 when Obama

00:36:18.360 was there

00:36:18.980 where is

00:36:20.520 Barack Obama

00:36:21.300 this week

00:36:21.980 you might

00:36:22.920 not agree

00:36:23.740 that he should

00:36:24.320 run the VA

00:36:24.980 and you can

00:36:25.520 make that point

00:36:26.060 I don't know

00:36:26.400 if he has

00:36:26.660 the necessary

00:36:27.280 experience

00:36:27.760 but where

00:36:28.300 are you

00:36:28.720 stepping up

00:36:29.780 in a moment

00:36:30.480 where this guy

00:36:31.060 who was your

00:36:31.580 doctor

00:36:31.920 your personal

00:36:32.500 doctor

00:36:32.820 for eight

00:36:33.400 years

00:36:33.860 defending your

00:36:34.760 life

00:36:35.020 when you were

00:36:35.900 president of the

00:36:36.400 United States

00:36:36.800 where are you

00:36:37.760 saying one word

00:36:38.720 of positive

00:36:39.560 things about

00:36:40.280 this guy

00:36:40.720 and how much

00:36:42.200 does that

00:36:42.560 hurt

00:36:43.820 you know

00:36:45.500 you're the

00:36:46.320 personal doctor

00:36:47.460 you had a good

00:36:48.260 relationship

00:36:48.920 he knows you

00:36:50.220 he can stop

00:36:50.980 this madness

00:36:51.800 and he fails

00:36:53.280 to say

00:36:53.700 anything

00:36:54.160 doesn't say

00:36:54.740 a word

00:36:55.200 just lets you

00:36:55.740 hang out there

00:36:56.560 until your

00:36:57.060 career gets

00:36:57.780 destroyed

00:36:58.200 so bad

00:36:58.940 and one more

00:36:59.460 which deserves

00:37:00.000 more attention

00:37:00.620 but we hear

00:37:02.240 all the time

00:37:02.660 you know

00:37:02.860 there's obviously

00:37:03.400 crazy pro-choice

00:37:05.220 people out there

00:37:05.920 but we hear a lot

00:37:07.140 of really normal

00:37:08.140 pro-choice people

00:37:09.040 where are the

00:37:10.360 average everyday

00:37:12.180 person who

00:37:13.400 describes himself

00:37:14.000 as a sane

00:37:14.860 pro-choice person

00:37:15.840 speaking up for

00:37:16.740 Alfie right now

00:37:17.360 why is it only

00:37:18.460 pro-life people

00:37:19.140 this child is born

00:37:20.460 the child's

00:37:21.140 two years old

00:37:21.940 why where are

00:37:24.040 the pro-choice

00:37:24.860 people speaking

00:37:25.740 out on behalf

00:37:26.520 of Alfie

00:37:27.080 why is it only

00:37:28.060 us

00:37:28.440 where are the

00:37:29.900 honestly where

00:37:31.080 are the pro-life

00:37:32.480 preachers

00:37:33.380 where are the

00:37:34.360 preachers

00:37:34.880 where's the

00:37:35.440 clergy in this

00:37:36.340 the pope is

00:37:37.060 out front

00:37:37.680 where's everyone

00:37:38.980 else

00:37:39.620 well we knew

00:38:03.800 the universities

00:38:04.460 were hostile

00:38:05.060 towards free

00:38:05.920 thinkers but now

00:38:06.940 we have to worry

00:38:07.380 about middle

00:38:07.800 schoolers as well

00:38:08.820 an eighth grader

00:38:10.240 jacob hein

00:38:11.300 faced ridicule

00:38:12.940 not from classmates

00:38:14.080 but from his

00:38:15.220 bully of a

00:38:15.880 teacher this

00:38:17.460 teacher bullied

00:38:18.480 him for holding

00:38:19.480 conservative beliefs

00:38:20.600 or worse for

00:38:21.900 just bringing a

00:38:22.660 conservative news

00:38:23.780 source to class

00:38:24.900 as part of his

00:38:25.520 homework the

00:38:26.740 assignment was to

00:38:27.460 find an article

00:38:28.180 about current

00:38:28.840 events and then

00:38:29.660 translate it into

00:38:30.820 Spanish yes

00:38:32.560 that's right this

00:38:33.840 was for a

00:38:35.260 Spanish class

00:38:36.620 here's jacob's

00:38:38.360 father describing

00:38:39.340 what happened to

00:38:40.140 his son he

00:38:41.100 turned an article

00:38:41.700 on the u.s.

00:38:42.400 navy capturing a

00:38:44.400 ufo on their

00:38:46.380 radar she came up

00:38:49.240 to him in class in

00:38:50.100 front of everybody

00:38:50.700 and said i noticed

00:38:51.940 you cited fox news

00:38:53.000 on your last article

00:38:53.860 as well and i want

00:38:55.600 you to know the

00:38:55.980 fox news is fake

00:38:56.860 news it's full of

00:38:58.140 lies and you're no

00:38:59.000 longer to use fox

00:39:00.020 news as a source for

00:39:01.040 any of these

00:39:01.480 assignments wow

00:39:02.620 obviously he was

00:39:03.780 embarrassed scared

00:39:05.200 she went on to

00:39:06.860 say that she has

00:39:08.640 a new assignment

00:39:09.160 for him he's not

00:39:09.780 to do the normal

00:39:10.320 homework assignment

00:39:11.240 tonight he's

00:39:12.280 actually to google

00:39:13.860 any of president

00:39:14.800 trump's many lies

00:39:15.760 that he's told

00:39:16.380 since he's been

00:39:16.940 president and turn

00:39:18.460 in a full page

00:39:19.020 paper on that

00:39:19.520 wow this is a

00:39:23.760 Spanish class the

00:39:25.600 teachers elitism and

00:39:26.960 intimidation would

00:39:28.100 come as no surprise

00:39:28.960 if jacob were part

00:39:29.820 of a political

00:39:30.320 science class or

00:39:31.460 really any humanities

00:39:32.680 class at this

00:39:33.420 point but the

00:39:34.580 hysterios would

00:39:35.360 still be silly

00:39:36.160 though still

00:39:37.460 uncalled for if

00:39:38.920 jacob were in a

00:39:39.660 high school civics

00:39:40.520 class or a history

00:39:41.400 class or some sort

00:39:42.460 of social justice

00:39:43.840 mesh of the two

00:39:45.020 but it isn't this

00:39:46.820 is Spanish middle

00:39:48.380 school Spanish his

00:39:50.580 Spanish lessons should

00:39:52.460 involve colors days

00:39:54.980 of the week an

00:39:56.380 awkward introductory

00:39:57.500 phrase perhaps even

00:39:59.320 donde esta el

00:40:00.660 baño why is a

00:40:03.280 Spanish teacher

00:40:04.240 worried about the

00:40:05.860 content of the

00:40:06.800 article at all or

00:40:07.880 where the where the

00:40:09.880 article came from

00:40:11.440 the assignment is to

00:40:13.560 one find an article

00:40:14.880 about current events

00:40:15.880 and to translate it

00:40:18.280 into Spanish if he

00:40:20.280 would have taken a

00:40:21.120 page from Playboy

00:40:22.940 magazine do you think

00:40:24.820 the teacher would have

00:40:26.280 said you can't you

00:40:27.720 can't read Playboy

00:40:28.600 magazine do you know

00:40:29.900 that it's full of

00:40:30.640 pornography do you

00:40:33.020 think the left would

00:40:34.180 have cared not only

00:40:38.820 has Trump derangement

00:40:39.960 syndrome seized our

00:40:41.280 cultural landscape it

00:40:42.720 is infested the lives

00:40:44.520 of our children it is

00:40:46.680 assumed our lives all

00:40:50.100 we can do now is just

00:40:51.580 be honest just be

00:40:53.360 honest be as kind as

00:40:56.080 possible and respond to

00:40:58.840 obstinate fury with

00:41:01.440 dignity and grace

00:41:03.200 it's Thursday April 26th

00:41:11.240 this is the Glenn Beck

00:41:12.820 program

00:41:13.360 Ian Bremmer worked really

00:41:18.820 hard as a kid with the

00:41:20.420 help and encouragement of

00:41:21.520 his single mom his dad died

00:41:23.860 when he was four and he

00:41:25.640 rose up from the

00:41:26.520 projects and earned a

00:41:27.920 college scholarship then

00:41:29.280 eventually earned a PhD in

00:41:30.940 political science he was

00:41:32.680 the youngest ever national

00:41:34.080 fellow at the Hoover

00:41:34.980 institution in 1998 he he

00:41:38.020 took an idea and built it

00:41:39.260 into a company had $25,000

00:41:41.240 and he started the Eurasia

00:41:42.820 group and it's a a leading

00:41:45.780 geopolitical risk research and

00:41:48.860 consulting firm he's still the

00:41:50.900 president at that firm today

00:41:52.240 now that $25,000 investment of

00:41:55.780 his and the idea has offices in

00:41:58.060 New York Washington London

00:41:59.980 Tokyo Sao Paulo and San

00:42:02.400 Francisco as well as a network

00:42:04.300 of experts and resources in 90

00:42:07.200 different countries Larry

00:42:09.220 Sanders said geopolitical economy

00:42:11.920 has no sharper or more

00:42:13.280 prescient analysis than Ian

00:42:16.360 Bremmer

00:42:16.820 Ian welcome to the program

00:42:19.460 good to be back with you

00:42:20.860 Glenn thanks for having me

00:42:21.720 you bet so you've just

00:42:23.600 written a new book and we

00:42:24.440 talked about it last time

00:42:25.280 Iran us versus them the

00:42:27.600 failure of globalism and

00:42:30.440 it's it's pretty fascinating

00:42:32.260 you can you give us the give

00:42:33.560 us the premise of it

00:42:35.060 well the premise of it I'm

00:42:36.560 glad you kind of introduced my

00:42:37.560 background a bit because you

00:42:39.060 know I'm not raised to be a

00:42:42.280 globalist no one in the

00:42:44.440 projects where I grew up was

00:42:46.280 you know everyone just wanted

00:42:48.300 an opportunity to have a job

00:42:49.580 and maybe do a little better

00:42:50.480 for themselves but when I got

00:42:52.500 out I certainly you know sort

00:42:54.620 of believed that all of the

00:42:57.200 things that the elites in the

00:42:59.000 United States were saying that

00:43:01.100 we wanted free markets that we

00:43:02.800 wanted open borders that we

00:43:04.900 should make the world safe for

00:43:06.260 democracy and send our troops

00:43:07.800 all over the world especially when

00:43:09.060 we defeated the Soviets that way

00:43:10.600 right and and the technology would

00:43:12.940 sort of you know help everybody as a

00:43:14.400 consequence too and you know

00:43:15.600 looking here in 2018 we realized

00:43:18.240 that while that's worked really

00:43:19.200 well for the globalists there are

00:43:20.880 a lot of Americans and growing

00:43:22.740 every day as well as a lot of

00:43:24.620 Europeans and growing every day

00:43:26.060 who really feel like that

00:43:28.100 ideology has failed them and that's

00:43:31.840 true whether you're talking about

00:43:32.900 the Democrats or Republicans

00:43:34.100 whether you're talking about the

00:43:35.480 political leaders the business

00:43:36.600 leaders the establishment media or

00:43:38.400 the professors and I think that's

00:43:39.840 why you got Trump it's why you got

00:43:41.920 Brexit it's why Macron his calls for

00:43:45.380 stronger Europe and for US

00:43:46.840 multilateralism are falling on deaf

00:43:48.800 ears and I like to get worse I like

00:43:52.460 the fact that you point out in your

00:43:53.740 book that it's all it's not only

00:43:55.260 Trump but that's why you get Bernie

00:43:57.020 Sanders absolutely I mean you know

00:44:00.260 my my mother if she were alive today

00:44:02.620 would have voted for Trump or would

00:44:04.980 have voted for Sanders if he'd been

00:44:06.280 the candidate there's no way she would

00:44:07.660 have voted for yet another member of

00:44:09.300 the establishment that she believed was

00:44:12.340 lying to her and not caring about her

00:44:14.700 she said the only way her family was

00:44:15.960 going to make it is if she did

00:44:16.880 something because she wasn't going to

00:44:17.940 trust those Washington folks and she

00:44:19.320 used to read the National Enquirer

00:44:20.500 every week she brought it home early

00:44:22.240 fake news as it were but there was a

00:44:24.180 more fundamental truth that spoke to

00:44:26.100 her because she thought that all the

00:44:28.380 fancy facts that were being pushed at

00:44:30.320 her they might have been right they

00:44:31.840 might have had science behind them but

00:44:33.200 they were pushed by people promoting

00:44:34.600 their own agenda and and not caring

00:44:37.600 about her so whether it's building

00:44:40.180 infrastructure and education or

00:44:41.840 health care or whatever so Ian I when

00:44:47.440 people say globalist you know you're a

00:44:50.200 globalist I'm not sure people are

00:44:54.120 defining it in the same way for instance

00:44:56.560 I don't have a problem with global

00:44:58.840 business I don't have a I want free

00:45:01.460 trade I want all of these things but

00:45:03.640 here's what has happened is we have

00:45:07.100 buried our own uniqueness in a way I

00:45:13.940 think you know by by by the European

00:45:16.800 Union being trade partners that's good

00:45:19.420 but by being a single block and saying

00:45:22.040 hey Italians you're no different than

00:45:25.160 the Swiss and and Swiss you're no

00:45:27.660 different than the English people do

00:45:30.300 recognize that our countries are a

00:45:32.720 little different and it's not

00:45:34.100 nationalism it's just a pride of who

00:45:42.020 you are and where you grew up does that

00:45:44.180 make sense of course it does and and

00:45:46.380 the Americans historically have done a

00:45:47.820 much better job of integrating people

00:45:50.340 from different cultures all over the

00:45:51.800 world when they come in than the

00:45:53.840 Europeans do and that's one of the

00:45:57.240 reasons why Germany which has an

00:45:59.040 economy doing very well right now and

00:46:00.720 the working class in Germany feels like

00:46:02.340 they have a social contract that takes

00:46:04.300 care of them a safety net but Merkel got

00:46:07.660 destroyed in her elections on the back

00:46:11.300 of saying we're going to take in a

00:46:12.620 million Syrian refugees right

00:46:14.780 Lascone got destroyed in Italy his party

00:46:17.840 lost to the northern league and that's

00:46:19.540 the part of Italy that's making all the

00:46:20.920 money it's not the south because they

00:46:23.420 promised that they were going to

00:46:24.860 deport 600,000 Libyans that had been

00:46:27.760 allowed in his migrants over the past

00:46:29.400 years so so what is the problem with

00:46:34.520 globalism and and how do we how do we

00:46:37.240 how do we not retreat into into

00:46:41.080 protectionism and this nonsense that

00:46:44.540 jobs are coming back because jobs are

00:46:46.920 being lost to high tech more than they

00:46:49.640 are to China how do we how do we thread

00:46:53.820 this needle if you will well well you're

00:46:56.640 absolutely right that this is not a

00:46:58.360 problem of free trade per se and free

00:47:00.940 trade we know leads to a lot more

00:47:02.540 growth and opportunities for the global

00:47:04.480 economy and for the United States than

00:47:07.020 protectionism would and yet the average

00:47:09.980 American is not going to support free

00:47:11.940 trade and shouldn't if it means that no

00:47:15.440 one is going to take that money and

00:47:17.340 invest in their communities right I mean

00:47:20.300 the solutions are fairly obvious I mean

00:47:22.620 you know Trump talks about infrastructure

00:47:25.580 week which has become almost the

00:47:28.460 punchline of a joke right after a year

00:47:31.880 and a half while every day he's talking

00:47:35.740 about building the wall it should be the

00:47:37.340 other way around you should be talking

00:47:38.300 every day about infrastructure and

00:47:40.460 building the wall you can talk about

00:47:41.860 when you campaign and then you kind of

00:47:43.420 let it go right I mean it's are you going

00:47:46.380 to fix the schools are you going to give

00:47:48.140 people especially the early K through 4

00:47:50.660 education as opposed to being at the

00:47:52.840 bottom of the league tables with the

00:47:54.580 OECD as the Americans now are and and

00:47:57.680 there are solutions that are being

00:47:59.620 developed at the local level I see in

00:48:02.400 Baltimore that Johns Hopkins is teaming

00:48:04.880 up with a bunch of corporate CEOs to try

00:48:07.680 to bridge town and gown and really make a

00:48:10.240 difference for the people that otherwise

00:48:11.820 just look at the university as you know

00:48:14.340 sort of something untouchable behind a

00:48:15.960 wall and then other other cities are

00:48:18.480 starting to pick that up I see some

00:48:19.980 CEOs doing universal training that

00:48:21.840 they're paying for like Randall

00:48:23.280 Stevenson from AT&T but these are small

00:48:26.620 scale experiments there's nothing

00:48:28.620 happening at the national level the

00:48:31.120 Democrats are all they're doing is

00:48:32.820 tearing down Trump every day and

00:48:34.820 talking about impeachment but they're

00:48:36.620 not actually credible in telling the

00:48:39.740 people that feel left behind that

00:48:41.280 they're going to do any better than

00:48:43.260 Trump is for them and I think that's

00:48:44.880 true across Europe too interesting

00:48:48.360 you know interesting timing with your

00:48:50.680 book this week is we talked to Jonah

00:48:52.680 Goldberg whose book also came out this

00:48:54.440 week and you guys really hit on a lot

00:48:56.100 of similar themes one of the points

00:48:58.760 that we talked to him about and I think

00:49:00.360 you talk about as well is that sort of

00:49:02.860 the natural state of people is to go

00:49:06.360 into these sort of tribal worlds and

00:49:09.040 that we're we autumn we sort of our

00:49:12.460 human instinct is to look at these

00:49:14.620 things and not be able to necessarily

00:49:16.240 see the big picture where when you're

00:49:18.360 talking about how for example free

00:49:19.920 trade makes the world a better place

00:49:21.800 but if you're not getting anything out

00:49:22.980 of it and you feel sort of disassociated

00:49:25.860 by that it's a real problem is there a

00:49:28.540 way to communicate to people you know

00:49:30.300 hey these things are generally speaking

00:49:32.000 a good thing but we need to handle them

00:49:34.040 better and we need to make sure that

00:49:35.580 our leaders are getting the money to

00:49:36.780 the right places yeah they have to feel

00:49:39.540 like they're being taken care of one

00:49:40.960 big piece that no one seems to talk

00:49:42.880 about in globalization is the United

00:49:46.060 States sending troops all over the

00:49:47.900 world for failed wars and you know

00:49:50.460 this is exactly the same group that

00:49:53.180 voted for Sanders and voted for Trump

00:49:55.140 there's no way you were going to vote

00:49:56.800 for Hillary or Jeb Bush if you know

00:49:59.480 sort of you are an enlisted man or

00:50:01.660 woman or married to one or extended

00:50:03.500 family of one that came back in pieces

00:50:05.500 with a veteran veterans administration

00:50:07.580 that didn't take care of you we've got

00:50:09.780 17 years of Afghanistan now it's the

00:50:12.080 longest war we've ever fought in our

00:50:13.740 entire history and the foreign policy

00:50:16.220 establishment can give you all sorts of

00:50:18.180 good reasons I can give you good

00:50:19.560 reasons why you know we need to keep

00:50:22.120 the Russians down and geostrategic

00:50:24.500 reasons but you know if you're one of

00:50:26.880 the people that's been sent into that

00:50:28.260 war that that's meant nothing to you

00:50:30.360 because you're not being taken care of

00:50:31.760 because you're not considered a hero when

00:50:33.580 you come back and you know Trump has

00:50:36.060 give Trump credit he's the one guy

00:50:37.800 talking about bringing those 2,000

00:50:39.900 American troops in Syria home he

00:50:41.240 hasn't done it yet but at least he's

00:50:43.300 talking about it and so I think this is

00:50:45.840 so much deeper than just we need to

00:50:48.880 give these people a check especially

00:50:51.340 because the economy right now is doing

00:50:53.440 incredibly well right better better than

00:50:55.820 we've seen at any point since the

00:50:57.160 financial crisis and yet you still have

00:50:59.460 this anger so it clearly is deeper than

00:51:02.600 just let me give you a little bit back

00:51:05.020 from your taxes let me give you a

00:51:06.420 Christmas time bonus well you know I I

00:51:09.400 let me go back to what you said about

00:51:11.360 the wall I think the wall is a symptom

00:51:14.120 of of people being tired of being lied to

00:51:19.820 by the press by you know the

00:51:22.460 administrations by Congress what people

00:51:26.020 really want is or what they what let me

00:51:28.400 say this I think what they fear or feel

00:51:31.260 is not you know as the press would say

00:51:35.540 otherness what they fear is that people

00:51:39.860 are coming in here we don't know who they

00:51:42.640 are some of them have caused real

00:51:46.180 problems others are just you know hard

00:51:48.340 working families but you don't know

00:51:50.260 which is which and most importantly that

00:51:53.480 we're trapping people in a secondary

00:51:56.440 culture there's a there's a subculture

00:51:59.840 here of America what made America really

00:52:02.680 truly great was people would come in and

00:52:05.420 they would assimilate but now the

00:52:07.640 assimilation is over and in fact all we're

00:52:10.160 celebrating now is our differences while

00:52:12.480 denigrating the American culture the

00:52:14.800 traditional American culture and I think

00:52:16.980 people say you know I don't believe anybody

00:52:19.620 in Congress anymore that you're going to

00:52:21.640 actually have comprehensive immigration

00:52:24.340 reform that is good you're not going to

00:52:27.360 pay attention to the border this border

00:52:29.200 wall is permanent and so I don't have to

00:52:31.740 listen to you clowns anymore I think that's

00:52:35.120 what's happening and the more that the

00:52:38.000 press and the the ruling class dismisses the

00:52:43.240 voice and the feelings of the people the

00:52:47.040 more they're going to they're going to say

00:52:49.320 uh you know you're in trouble and I want

00:52:52.600 this which is it just becomes more and

00:52:55.620 more extreme as you go down the road

00:52:57.620 if you want integration of immigrants you

00:53:02.980 need common values in a country you need

00:53:06.000 civic nationalism that works yes you had

00:53:08.800 mentioned Glenn that um you know uh that

00:53:11.120 automation and technology is taking away

00:53:13.940 far more jobs now than globalization uh has

00:53:17.300 and you're right about that manufacturing

00:53:19.100 jobs clearly but the other piece of

00:53:20.940 technology of course is that in the west

00:53:23.600 technology right now is ripping apart

00:53:26.040 civic nationalism we're getting our

00:53:28.040 information from advertising companies

00:53:30.100 that treat us not as citizens of a

00:53:32.360 collective a nation but instead as

00:53:34.840 consumers and they need to divide us so

00:53:37.700 that we can be more clear demographics to

00:53:39.740 be advertised to I mean everything in

00:53:43.020 society today in the United States and in

00:53:45.840 Europe is moving us farther apart from

00:53:49.040 common and shared values Trump is taking

00:53:52.160 advantage of that more than anyone out

00:53:54.540 there because he is the ultimate us

00:53:56.860 versus them politician he's the one that's

00:53:59.380 able to really say you're winners or you're

00:54:01.700 losers you're with us or against us and

00:54:04.140 America first everyone else second that's

00:54:06.560 the way it should be but when when that's

00:54:09.660 what people identify with then clearly you're

00:54:12.720 not going to have any support for large

00:54:15.140 numbers of immigrants coming in precisely

00:54:17.220 because the mechanisms to integrate will

00:54:20.580 go away my grandmother came to Ellis Island

00:54:22.860 from Aleppo Syria she was an Armenian and

00:54:25.580 Syrian Christian and that's I mean for me

00:54:28.580 when I grew up I that's what I thought

00:54:30.480 America was all about I wanted to bring in

00:54:33.080 all of these diverse people because it was

00:54:35.260 going to that cultural diversity would lead

00:54:37.400 to diversity of ideas entrepreneurship and

00:54:40.260 what truly made America great but people

00:54:42.800 don't feel that anymore and the trends in

00:54:45.120 our society are moving in the other

00:54:46.780 direction okay so Ian Bremmer is with us

00:54:49.700 see he is the author of the book us versus

00:54:51.640 them the failure of globalism it's

00:54:54.120 available this week everywhere the books

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00:56:48.700 glenn back mercury

00:56:52.840 glenn back we're talking to ian bremer he has

00:57:11.820 written a uh a great book about the failure of

00:57:14.900 globalism us versus them uh when we come back i i i want

00:57:20.520 to get into some solutions but i also uh he he talks a lot

00:57:26.200 about ai in the book and the coming technology

00:57:29.340 technological revolution and uh when you want to talk

00:57:33.320 about us versus them there there is a time coming when

00:57:37.080 politicians will do what all politicians do and when they

00:57:40.540 can when they have to stop blaming china for the loss of jobs

00:57:43.960 they're going to have to turn to somebody else and that's going to be

00:57:47.400 high tech that's going to be the makers of ai

00:57:50.300 how do we weather that and when will the average person begin to

00:57:56.440 really feel the impact of ai and what does it mean for

00:58:02.240 stability in the country and stability in the rest of the world

00:58:06.100 when we come back

00:58:07.820 glenn back mercury

00:58:15.480 this is the glenn back program

00:58:30.100 ian bremer author of the book us versus them the failure of uh globalism

00:58:36.360 is uh with us and ian let me let me take you to uh what you write about

00:58:42.720 with ai and the rise of of ai you see as i do great disruption

00:58:49.440 um i see um the human story uh as being you know corrupt politicians and uh and

00:58:59.380 the use of fear to drive us into really dark places

00:59:04.660 or the opportunity to really expand and be great

00:59:08.980 can you tell me when ai you think is going to really begin to

00:59:13.520 impact people in a way that they see

00:59:17.060 well we know i mean it's already affecting us greatly

00:59:21.560 uh in terms of uh big data and being able to use

00:59:26.240 voice and facial recognition to more effectively sort people that

00:59:30.120 facilitates more consumption but in china for example it means that you don't see

00:59:35.460 uh demonstrations in shenzhen anymore northwest china because they uh have the

00:59:40.440 ability uh from satellite um to uh to identify you know sort of every citizen

00:59:46.020 and where they are and when there's a problem and so no more violence right

00:59:49.380 um that's kind of 1984 ish right um and uh and look i i think that ai um going

00:59:58.200 forward over the next sort of 10 years

01:00:00.860 in the united states in the 48 the lower 48

01:00:04.280 driving being a trucker or car driver is the

01:00:07.960 single or second most popular job

01:00:11.980 um in every single one of those states and within 10 years those jobs are

01:00:16.340 going to be all go away right and every ceo i talk to in the united

01:00:21.600 states literally everyone they can be in pharma they can be in broad

01:00:25.500 manufacturing they can be in high tech you name it

01:00:28.400 they're all telling banking uh lawyers accountants they're all telling me about

01:00:33.320 how they can make more money with fewer people going forward

01:00:37.340 um and that's in a great economy that's not when a recession hits and suddenly

01:00:41.900 they have to actually dig deep into their costs and suddenly lay off a bunch

01:00:46.060 of people um ai may well develop a lot of new jobs in

01:00:50.040 new fields but we know that the people that are being displaced right now do not

01:00:55.080 have the skills to enter any of those jobs and there there's no plans to train

01:01:00.280 them and in the united states at least we're rich so i mean if you're working

01:01:05.220 class and you suddenly don't have a job or you have to be part-time

01:01:08.840 you're not going to starve you're not going to set yourself on fire like they

01:01:12.360 did in tunisia but in emerging markets who have benefited their middle classes

01:01:17.380 have benefited the most from globalization because they had cheap labor

01:01:21.000 well their labor is more expensive now now that the computers are coming

01:01:24.720 what's going to happen to them what happens to all of those countries in

01:01:27.920 their middle classes that's when this becomes not an issue we need to talk

01:01:32.520 about but suddenly a real crisis and i i'm go ahead good that's fine um i i'm

01:01:40.380 i'm concerned however we have a very low uh threshold for pain uh you know we we're

01:01:46.420 not going to starve to death but we also expect an awful lot um i i don't think

01:01:51.640 people are really thinking through what uh ai is going to mean uh so there and

01:01:58.300 nobody's really teaching them and so it's going to come as a surprise you know

01:02:02.800 people right now politicians are saying i'm going to bring your jobs back no

01:02:05.960 they're not that's a lie that's a lie the jobs are not coming back and we don't

01:02:10.640 have a willingness and i want to say this carefully because it's a conservative

01:02:14.840 audience and and you need to understand that we have to explore seriously all

01:02:23.240 options because the world is changing but a lot of people are not willing to look

01:02:28.560 at universal basic income which i'm not for i don't think will work but something

01:02:35.140 is going to have to be done because we're going to look at 30 percent unemployment

01:02:39.500 that's according to bain capital by 2030 that's not that's not a workable uh society

01:02:47.100 i don't like universal basic income either i think it's an it's an easy you know sort

01:02:52.840 of uh ideological fix that yes sort of obviates the requirements of governments to actually

01:02:59.400 ensure that people matter well finland finland just it finland has been experimenting for

01:03:05.940 two years and finland just dropped their experiments that it failed so that's right and and switzerland

01:03:11.460 was going to have a big vote for it last year voted against it um but you know i think there

01:03:16.060 are other ways uh to get at this issue but we need to recognize that the country that's doing

01:03:20.160 the most to address this right now is actually china where they have more industrial robots than

01:03:26.100 any other country in the world they're leading the world in producing them um and at the same time

01:03:32.300 they're leading the world as a government in ensuring the continued employment of inefficient labor

01:03:37.900 you remember so how do you how do you do how do you do that without fundamentally um changing your

01:03:47.680 constitution into something along the lines of the former soviet union or china where everybody's

01:03:53.580 guaranteed a job that that's fundamentally against the american nature the new deal uh on the back of

01:04:02.660 the great depression uh had all sorts of incredible public works projects through the government for

01:04:09.980 average americans that wasn't anti-american that's what you do when otherwise you know on the back of

01:04:15.780 the gilded age when structural inequality in the u.s grew way out of whack and the average person didn't

01:04:21.080 have anything that's when we put social security in place that's when we suddenly gave people pensions

01:04:25.960 um you know i mean none of those was done but none of those are workable none of those are workable

01:04:32.060 solutions because the math doesn't work you know the math i mean that's why we're one of the reasons

01:04:39.140 why we're you know so we're the biggest debtor in the world um is because we wanted the great society

01:04:45.220 we are the biggest debtor in the world but um we also have the greatest assets and i i don't understand

01:04:52.540 people that only focus on deficit spending we don't look at the other side of the balance sheet

01:04:56.740 when you talk about a corporation you'd never talk about debt by itself if you were going to invest in

01:05:01.360 their stock or not there's a reason why the dollar remains the global reserve currency we're about to

01:05:06.640 pass saudi arabia as the world's leading oil producer later this year we're the world's leading

01:05:12.320 food producer we're exporting to the chinese they're importing from us we've got the world's largest

01:05:17.820 military we have the best universities in the world our ability to spend if we want to on making

01:05:25.060 us have the best you know early school training uh and have digital training follow people through

01:05:32.420 their lifetimes we could do that if we wanted to it's not a priority and it's not a priority because

01:05:38.720 i think that the average person can take more pain in the united states it's just not that urgent we're

01:05:43.440 not demonstrating so so but here's the here's the problem with that ian is um the government has

01:05:49.420 proven itself to be wildly inefficient in a lot of those in those categories and if you go to washington

01:05:56.500 and i know i know you know this i talk to people in washington uh about high tech in the future

01:06:03.220 they are so out of touch uh with i mean it is it's it's like talking to a you know the somebody in

01:06:12.940 the bell system you know about uh about the internet they don't they just don't even understand

01:06:19.460 it yet yeah i mean there's no question uh that if we're going to have efficient solutions that are

01:06:27.140 going to work they're going to start at least uh in the private sector and they're going to start

01:06:32.260 in state governments and in city governments they're not going to start with washington but you

01:06:37.000 were asking me what the solutions were and you said we can't pay for solutions i don't think that's

01:06:41.060 true i think we absolutely can and i think you can do public private partnerships too i think there's

01:06:46.760 lots of ways that the u.s government doesn't have to take over programs but could help fund them

01:06:51.340 could help provide you know so in the same way that we do x prizes um to try to create private

01:06:57.320 sector competition and that darpa which is part of the u.s government got driverless cars moving by

01:07:04.740 funding competitions that the private sector and universities have gotten into what

01:07:09.200 why can't our government fund competitions to fix this with big money we could do that we're not

01:07:14.420 doing it yeah so i so i agree i agree with that i just think this is going to require vastly different

01:07:21.860 thinking at the political level uh than than anybody that i've that i've seen uh that wants to run

01:07:29.520 because they're all still feeding a machine uh that is you know that that is really i mean is is big

01:07:37.220 state looks like you know the 1950s uh and it's going to move faster than that it's going to be

01:07:43.360 different than that and we just need some innovative thinking when you say we can't we can't afford it

01:07:49.120 i agree with you that our assets are great what concerns me is we're spending money on crazy

01:07:56.360 stupid stuff wildly inefficiently and the people in washington they're there it's not like they're

01:08:04.500 running a business it's it's they're running a campaign all the time and so there's there's nobody at

01:08:10.540 the helm it seems that the swamp is not being drained and electing donald trump did nothing to drain the

01:08:20.160 swamp electing barack obama did nothing to drain the swamp and those structural challenges for the u.s

01:08:27.060 government are the reasons why in the near term what we're going to see is a lot more walls because

01:08:33.220 if you can't address this if you refuse to address this by actually helping the people then the

01:08:39.780 political response the successful political response is i'm going to create us versus them

01:08:46.040 i'm going to show you yes give you the nationalism it worked in israel against the palestinians

01:08:51.900 no one talks about a two-state solution anymore it's great as long as you're on the right side of

01:08:56.260 the wall and i fear that that's the quote-unquote solution that we are increasingly embracing in the

01:09:01.940 u.s because no one is swamp draining ian bremer uh author of us versus them the failure of globalism

01:09:08.780 thank you so much ian i appreciate it great to be with you we obviously uh disagree on a lot of things

01:09:18.160 but there is a lot to agree on there uh very uh very astute at what is coming and and the us versus

01:09:29.900 them disease uh that politician will turn to if we're not self-educated enough to know what the real

01:09:39.780 problems are ian bremer and uh us versus them the future of globalism all right

01:09:47.700 let me tell you about uh the palm beach letter and something that we have uh asked them to do

01:09:54.040 for you and honestly for me uh i've talked about bitcoin for years in fact if i would have if i

01:10:00.180 would have been comfortable with what bitcoin is how it works etc i would have invested i think it was

01:10:07.660 it was about 200 when i first was told by one of the real big guys in uh in silicon valley you know

01:10:13.780 you should really look into bitcoin and invest in bitcoin i didn't do it uh because i believe you

01:10:19.980 know in uh uh what's his name the big investor stew from uh uh from nebraska oh shoot what's his name

01:10:30.260 anyway when he said uh you know don't invest in something that you don't that you don't understand

01:10:35.980 yes thank you warren buffett uh i i didn't understand it well that kept me out of the market for a long

01:10:42.240 time now i've made a lot of money bitcoin is back up on a real big upswing what's the percentage

01:10:48.920 increase stew in the last month or so 50 yeah i mean that's amazing uh it's very volatile and risky

01:10:57.620 you don't want to go all in on it but you do want to do your homework so we found a guy named tika

01:11:02.360 toari he's from the palm beach letter former wall street hedge fund manager who has arguably helped

01:11:08.340 more people profit from cryptocurrencies than anybody else we brought him into the office and

01:11:13.060 can you explain how this works can you explain how to invest in it he did so we asked him can you

01:11:19.140 make a course for our audience that's what he's done it's a master course and i i want you to go

01:11:25.980 right now to the website smartcryptocourse.com smartcryptocourse.com and start your course

01:11:34.980 right now i urge you to check out this glenn beck exclusive course at smartcryptocourse.com now

01:11:42.860 glenn beck mercury

01:11:47.100 glenn beck

01:11:59.980 so i went to shaky's pizza last night it's a big day is a memory from your childhood

01:12:07.300 there's no player piano anymore there's a it was it was it did it had taken away many of the shaky's

01:12:15.980 things that were you know so you were left with uh pizza just just really good pizza though at least

01:12:24.780 well it was you know it was pizza that uh you know shaky's you know is spelled with an sh right

01:12:32.420 in the front for a reason i think and oh no and that's because it's shaky's pizza uh was not uh

01:12:40.740 everything you remembered about it well no it is exactly the way i remember the pizza uh you know i was

01:12:47.760 looking for the experience you know of the old but it wasn't the same it wasn't the same old place

01:12:53.220 it wasn't you know you can't go back in time but i found out that they do weddings

01:12:59.160 you know and and i'm just saying i haven't been to the other shaky's which seems to be like the old

01:13:07.160 one where you would see them you know flip the dough and you know throw it up in the air and stuff

01:13:12.120 i don't know for sure but there is another shaky's and i'm just thinking that you know

01:13:17.620 maybe sometime when we're out here that if somebody wants to get married

01:13:22.340 and i can perform the ceremony they're at shaky's

01:13:27.300 are you advertising your availability i'm just i'm just saying and i would maybe buy everybody a

01:13:35.820 pitcher of beer you know individually so you you you would each get a pitcher of beer

01:13:41.400 a whole pitcher for each person well i think yes remember shaky's opened up on their grand opening

01:13:49.600 without any pizza just the beer and so maybe maybe that would be a good idea uh you know of just

01:13:58.340 it's one that's one description of it a good idea is one available description right i'm i'm just saying

01:14:04.880 that i was intrigued that they they do wedding receptions there is that a popular thing i do

01:14:13.340 i don't know i'm not from california so i don't know lots of things are popular in california that i

01:14:19.380 do not understand yeah lots of people on the streets here that you i just would like to stop and just say

01:14:28.640 can we sit down and talk for a minute because i need to understand well let's just start with

01:14:34.860 the outfit i just need to yeah you got up this morning what else what other options were in your

01:14:41.720 closet interesting because talking to them is actually the exact opposite of my instinct when

01:14:48.580 i go to california i just never want to speak to anyone ever again no i'm i'm a little i'm very

01:14:55.620 curious about people here i really i just because they they everybody's trying to make a statement

01:15:03.320 and i really kind of want to know what other options did you have were there is your whole

01:15:11.480 closet like this or was this just one you pulled out and went i don't know i think this one works

01:15:17.120 options life's all about options and diversity and the diversity here is worth talking to

01:15:24.960 glenn beck mercury

01:15:29.760 love courage truth glenn beck yesterday a cold rain

01:15:53.760 muted dallas gray clouds hung overhead and rain mostly puttered down most people stayed indoors

01:16:05.380 the day before it was sunny and warm and so the sudden cold that moved in overnight felt somehow or

01:16:12.360 another twice as cold

01:16:14.360 but that isn't why the city moved a little slower yesterday

01:16:19.720 a dallas police officer rogelio santander

01:16:25.880 and fellow officer crystal almeda were in a hospital officer santander died at eleven o'clock

01:16:38.140 sorry at eight o'clock

01:16:39.540 and almeda lay in a hospital bed wounded in critical condition

01:16:46.520 it was on tuesday about 4 p.m that they arrived at a home depot in lake highlands it's a neighborhood northeast of dallas an off-duty police officer was working there

01:16:58.140 working there as a security guard and he caught a man shoplifting something though felt off

01:17:03.980 and the man pulled a gun from his pocket and started shooting

01:17:07.760 right at officer almeda and officer santander

01:17:12.520 hitting the off-duty officer a bystander shots fired the call went out

01:17:19.720 the shooter fled roaring away in his shabby white ford 250 the ladder rack was rattling as he sped from the scene

01:17:30.280 shots fired officer down

01:17:33.480 in dallas the scars are still pretty fresh

01:17:41.160 slightly less than two years ago dallas was a scene of a senseless violence directed at police

01:17:47.140 when a hate-driven shooter killed five dallas police officers

01:17:51.300 who had been protecting protesters black lives matter

01:17:55.260 many of these protesters were protesting the police themselves

01:17:59.500 for those of us in dallas we remember the scene

01:18:04.300 and for those of us in dallas it's playing out all over again

01:18:08.340 at a press conference following this week's shooting

01:18:13.000 mayor mike rawlings spoke with the gravity of somebody who's been through

01:18:17.040 all of this before once again it it sobers us to realize

01:18:22.880 what officers walk into day in and day out

01:18:28.560 and how quickly they can become victims

01:18:33.280 i am

01:18:35.720 continued to be upset

01:18:42.380 and the lack of respect of our police

01:18:45.820 in the city in in in our country

01:18:49.720 and now's the moment that we can lift them up

01:18:52.480 these press conferences have become

01:18:55.880 unfortunately familiar to all of us

01:18:59.580 it was just a couple of days ago

01:19:01.840 that sergeant noel ramirez and deputy taylor lindsey

01:19:06.240 were shot dead while eating lunch

01:19:08.500 yesterday a deputy corporal

01:19:12.080 dale lancaster of maine died in a gunfight

01:19:15.840 in yarmouth massachusetts a police sergeant

01:19:19.880 sean gannon was shot dead in an attic

01:19:23.180 that's it just in the last few days

01:19:27.740 since the beginning of the year at least two dozen police officers have died by gunfire

01:19:34.600 died violently

01:19:35.620 i think it's important that we at least hear their names

01:19:39.840 i think it's important that we see their pictures in the news and hear their stories

01:19:45.580 maybe just maybe if we just hear their name

01:19:49.900 it will help people see the value

01:19:52.860 of the life

01:19:54.460 that is wearing blue

01:19:56.280 it's thursday april 26th

01:20:04.920 this is the glenn beck program

01:20:07.020 welcome to jonathan dunn

01:20:09.680 one of our writers and good friends

01:20:11.460 from ireland who is uh who has been watching the alfie evans story for us in the last couple of weeks

01:20:19.240 jonathan how are you sir

01:20:20.720 thank you so much for having me glenn it's uh it's great to be here

01:20:25.120 just wish it was under better circumstances

01:20:27.120 so what is what's happened with alfie evans since uh the last 24 hours

01:20:34.120 so the last 24 hours has um been pretty good for a young alfie

01:20:39.260 he's um he's not having major complications

01:20:42.140 he's still um he's still breathing

01:20:45.560 um he's still in the hospital

01:20:47.180 and the biggest update is that um

01:20:49.860 uh thomas has met with the um the doctors in alder hay this morning

01:20:54.740 they're trying to get him

01:20:55.680 they're pleading with them to let him to go home

01:20:58.000 um and the last update we had was that he was pretty confident

01:21:01.700 some agreement could be reached

01:21:03.320 and that he'd be home in the next one to two days

01:21:06.060 but that hasn't been confirmed yet

01:21:07.880 jonathan we are looking to send this boy home

01:21:10.900 when instead he is now an italian citizen

01:21:15.380 the italians have said this is this is the murder of an italian citizen

01:21:21.180 uh the the pope wants him the hospitals are ready

01:21:25.200 the pope is has a helicopter ready to go to take him

01:21:29.120 why why won't the government let him go to to italy

01:21:35.260 um there's many reasons for this this is all boiling down to there are many

01:21:42.160 reasons we need to discuss this story it's about the sanctity of life

01:21:45.260 and it's it's about is life actually truly precious

01:21:48.340 and is life worth doing everything you can

01:21:52.380 to stand for this issue

01:21:54.280 and we have a system in in europe right now where we have two problems

01:21:58.500 one we don't believe life is sacred and you know what been on the ground there

01:22:03.080 in liverpool on monday it was an amazing amazing thing

01:22:05.920 there's a clear class system in england and

01:22:08.460 what hello do we lose jonathan i knew this connection was just too good to be true from

01:22:17.140 from ireland read his report at glennbeck.com because he he described the scene he went to

01:22:25.180 the hospital and he was just standing there uh in the crowd and jonathan uh usually wears black and

01:22:34.280 he wears a big cross around his neck and he said that um people came up to him and said are you a priest

01:22:40.720 and he said no and their next comment was astounding

01:22:46.660 well where are the priests jonathan didn't have an answer

01:22:52.920 where are the religious people where how come

01:22:56.600 the priests aren't leading their congregations to stand for this life

01:23:01.140 the pope is

01:23:03.040 where are the priests

01:23:04.520 it's a pretty amazing article and you can find it at glennbeck.com

01:23:08.780 um do we have him back on

01:23:10.840 is he back on uh

01:23:12.300 no no it doesn't look like all right well just

01:23:14.740 thank him for that uh report and if he

01:23:16.840 has more to report we'll we'll make sure

01:23:18.880 we have him on tomorrow one interesting thing

01:23:20.860 glenn quickly on this is uh we were talking

01:23:22.720 about how where are the pro-choice people kind

01:23:24.840 of standing up for this because if you're a pro-choicer

01:23:27.280 you're you're you

01:23:28.800 of course don't think that you know

01:23:30.700 uh life in the womb is life but

01:23:32.640 this is not life in the womb this is life

01:23:34.620 two years out of the womb

01:23:36.420 uh and deserves your support and i think it would mean a lot

01:23:40.560 right coming from pro-choice people

01:23:42.260 if they actually find that line well

01:23:44.020 especially if you say if you say you know

01:23:46.780 i believe in a mother's right

01:23:48.980 to choose or a woman's right

01:23:50.940 to choose mom is

01:23:52.840 choosing life for her child

01:23:54.580 and her child is already born

01:23:57.140 are we really in a culture of death

01:24:00.780 why is it no one is standing up for this kid

01:24:03.900 or very few

01:24:05.120 interesting uh now piers morgan is not exactly a huge figure here in the united

01:24:08.580 states at this point uh but he's still a pretty big figure

01:24:11.020 in uh in the uk and he actually has tweeted his support

01:24:14.820 uh for alfie let them take him home

01:24:17.620 um which you know that's not real support i don't think that's real support

01:24:21.820 i don't know i really don't it's something you get him home

01:24:24.160 no it is it is you know let me take him home but

01:24:27.000 excuse me let me take him to a hospital that will treat him

01:24:32.440 yeah i gotta do it that's that's the me taking them home is uh i wouldn't bring him home i mean

01:24:39.320 if i were them i would bring him immediately to my new home on this airplane

01:24:43.360 i don't think you can do it i don't think you could get out of the country

01:24:47.560 it would be interesting to see i mean if you're if you could get to the italian embassy

01:24:52.260 uh no that's true i mean he's an italian citizen

01:24:56.580 yeah that's true italian citizen from leaving the country i don't know it's amazing they are

01:25:01.780 oh man that's a good idea there's the home i would take him to the italian embassy

01:25:08.120 that's a really good idea um stew can you help me out on a couple of things here um we we had

01:25:15.920 macron uh yesterday speaking to congress and he said uh you know both in america and in europe

01:25:22.620 we're living in a time of fear and you can play with fear and anger for a time but they don't

01:25:27.320 construct anything anger only fears and freak and weakens us and closing the door to the world will

01:25:33.300 not stop the evolution of the world it won't douse but inflame the fear of our citizens basically

01:25:38.900 what he was saying was you guys got to come back to the table of the paris accords because you know

01:25:44.540 we're not peddling fear here it's just that if you don't the whole world will be destroyed i've

01:25:53.080 always loved that because they used to i know remember remember you in the doom closet or whatever

01:25:57.100 colbert used to say room the doom room where you'd have come up with these crazy scenarios where the

01:26:01.760 world was going to end and then they would criticize you for not being alarmist enough about global

01:26:06.300 warming which is always side by side such a fun i know such a fun thing i mean it's it's uh he said

01:26:12.400 what didn't he say make make the planet great again i mean like i you know he's really sort of

01:26:17.540 trolling the planet is pretty great i i don't i don't know if you know that and man didn't make

01:26:22.260 it great it's just it's it's pretty great but now we're talking about people uh i want you to cover

01:26:28.880 two stories for me one that climate change needs to be handled like war now yeah really dangerous

01:26:36.860 yeah that's what they're saying and this is they're trying to make the actual conservative case

01:26:40.620 this is a case to conservatives uh we spend 590 billion dollars on defense in 2017 that's up to

01:26:47.960 over 700 billion this year but climate change poses a more significant threat to global security

01:26:53.620 than the low probability event of a ground war with china uh we we've maintained readiness against

01:27:01.540 readiness against an unlikely prospect of a large conventional war it's time for conservatives to

01:27:06.340 recognize our constitutional mandate to provide for the common defense by addressing the rising

01:27:11.440 threat of climate change there are three primary explanations for this i love these first is the

01:27:17.780 science settled it doesn't matter that's number one wait wait it doesn't matter now no it doesn't

01:27:25.960 matter okay so science doesn't matter no okay it doesn't matter because we have an obligation to be

01:27:30.940 prepared to defend the country even if the threat is uncertain now of course no no there is no we

01:27:37.460 don't i mean we do against you know a threat like you know you could say iran right like you would

01:27:45.280 still even though we might not go to war with iran we hope to not go to a war with iran it's not

01:27:48.980 certain we're going to a war with iran we still would defend against a war with iran and i understand

01:27:53.360 the concept but that's not what we're talking about there are some that are saying that uh this would

01:27:58.060 be like defending ourself and building a missile shield for the evil ugandans which have this giant

01:28:05.400 missile uh factory that they've there's no sign the science is not there to support that right and i

01:28:12.840 think like you know conservatives are always put out to be anti-science right we don't care we're not

01:28:18.820 listening to the scientists though the hope in science i think is clear almost only almost exclusively

01:28:24.360 with conservatives we are the ones that are saying that we believe there will be all these

01:28:29.260 innovations and adaptations i mean look at what you're talking about with ai glenn if a if global

01:28:34.660 warming is this gigantic problem that they claim that it's going to be you know the resources that

01:28:41.280 you could put at it just when ai develops would probably be able to solve that almost immediately and

01:28:46.400 many scientists have talked about this i mean it is it does exist in in the academic literature it's

01:28:52.160 just not it's not going to get you and there's no fear votes out of that you know scientific solutions

01:28:57.480 don't help there all right so number one science doesn't matter we got to come back to science

01:29:02.500 number two uh can we afford to act yes in the coming decade no we can't in the coming decades and

01:29:08.940 look at these numbers when they're they're being honest here with some of these numbers and it's

01:29:12.840 interesting in the coming decades we will collectively spend approximately two trillion dollars to

01:29:18.000 maintain our electrical grid upgrading the existing grid to a near zero carbon solution would cost

01:29:25.660 approximately two to three trillion dollars we could upgrade the grid without costing ourselves a penny

01:29:32.000 more than the status quo if we start working now that was a bunch of things to unpack from that

01:29:36.540 number one just taking what he says is the actual truth here that it's gonna we're gonna spend two

01:29:43.320 trillion dollars to maintain our grid and we can upgrade it for two to three trillion you're adding

01:29:48.340 an entire trillion dollars on top of your own estimate yeah and wait a minute hang on that's the grid

01:29:55.720 right that's not what's making the power right the grid is the wires and the and the switching it's

01:30:03.640 the coal plant that's actually making the power that goes into the grid you're right that's a big part of

01:30:10.880 that uh and also i think is there no maintenance costs to this new system because you're talking

01:30:16.580 about two trillion dollars to maintain the old system you can build the new one for two to three

01:30:22.280 trillion which by the way is a 50 percent increase not he's a uh it won't it won't cost ourself a

01:30:28.120 penny more no it won't be a penny more it's 50 percent more it's an extra trillion so it's an extra

01:30:33.880 trillion and then you have to add on to that what the maintenance cost would be for that system

01:30:38.080 so it would obviously be even more than three trillion dollars uh and then finally third uh

01:30:43.700 should emissions from other nations influence whether the united states works to address climate

01:30:48.120 change no it should not apparently um which is kind of an interesting thing because as we point out

01:30:54.980 you know china and all of these other um countries around the world india and china being the two main

01:31:00.760 ones are adding so much uh when it comes to emissions and new plants even though they're also adding a lot of

01:31:07.280 of capacity when it comes to zero carbon stuff it doesn't matter they're what they're doing with

01:31:12.900 you know with fossil fuels still outpaces anything that we can cut i mean you can absolutely shut off

01:31:18.980 every car in america not make them hybrids but just turn them off we walk everywhere for the rest of

01:31:23.360 our lives and it's not going to do anything compared to what china is doing as far as their growth

01:31:27.160 so you know it doesn't matter i guess we could lead in a unilateral sort of way and hope everyone

01:31:33.280 follows us in the end after we've spent three trillion dollars and one of the many projects we'd

01:31:39.060 need to do to actually make this happen but i mean you know most likely they won't do that because

01:31:44.000 they're still worried about feeding their you know their populations um you know survival comes before

01:31:49.580 global warming it always does when when we have all of these experts declare that they are from

01:31:57.360 here on out vegan or vegetarian i'll start to take them seriously because that's the biggest thing

01:32:04.060 anybody can do stop eating meat when you do that you start to hear the planet all right uh let me tell

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01:33:40.800 so stew the there was a new study that has come out a couple of new studies that say

01:33:49.240 oh you know what um i think the ipcc may be may may have been wrong on global warming yeah

01:33:57.140 well then well it comes from uh american meteorological society's journal of climate

01:34:02.420 which is a completely legitimate source judith curry is one of the authors very smart um she

01:34:07.660 is someone who has uh written over 140 scientific papers she wrote thermodynamics of atmospheres and

01:34:15.660 oceans and encyclopedia of atmospheric sciences i know those are two of your favorites oh i love those

01:34:21.480 yeah the first one more than the second but um really um yeah she was first well in the public well

01:34:28.060 known because in 2005 she wrote a story about a paper about hurricanes and she that um basically said

01:34:34.760 uh hurricanes will be more intense because of global warming so so she was a global warming believer

01:34:41.900 completely and was and was thrust down into the media as this oh you know again it was a scare story

01:34:46.500 this is 2005 um and then after 2000 um and she was attacked by people on who didn't believe in global

01:34:54.140 warming on the right as as this so that's who she is she's dealt with that before uh 2009 happens

01:34:59.340 climate gate happens and she kind of goes out and writes a a paper just a an online blog type of

01:35:06.840 thing um that says hey you know maybe it's a good idea that people will pay attention to some of the

01:35:13.540 fundamentals of climate change more if we don't try to scare them with every little crazy thing that

01:35:18.120 comes out you know just like hey let's let's be honest when we have uncertainty about things

01:35:23.280 and since then she's been evil climate denier number one um just for saying maybe we should be

01:35:29.840 reasoned yes uh however her news again a peer-reviewed study uh says the predicted global

01:35:36.600 temperature increases will now uh be less than expected 30 to 45 percent less than what the ipc said

01:35:44.200 uh the warning is is going to be substantially lower than the central computer model simulated level

01:35:49.800 protected by the ipcc which is the u.n uh climate group 30 to 45 percent less that's your consensus

01:35:56.480 in action

01:35:57.440 glenn beck mercury

01:36:05.020 you're listening to the glenn beck program

01:36:18.740 so a couple of weeks ago we did something called make america dinner again and uh we were just going

01:36:27.500 to uh you know play highlights of it and we've decided this is this is this all needs to be seen

01:36:34.960 so we begin uh with the first episode uh tonight uh of this fascinating meal and and what we did was

01:36:44.180 we we had our researchers go out and find the people who would never sit together if it was a regular media

01:36:54.020 thing and if it was a regular media thing we wanted to find the people who wouldn't perform

01:37:02.180 but actually just have a conversation because what happens is you get diverse people and they're on cnn

01:37:08.740 we've got a panel of experts and they're all trying to make a point we said no team jerseys

01:37:15.240 we're not going to argue nobody is there to convince someone of the truth we just want to

01:37:22.900 listen to each other we want to understand each other and we do want to talk about the issues

01:37:28.300 but not in a i win sort of way everybody came into this skeptical um because this is the team we

01:37:39.280 assembled around this this dinner table these are the people i invited so i was there riaz patal was

01:37:45.500 there riaz is a gay married with two adopted children pakistani muslim immigrant i mean so he was

01:37:55.680 he was you know he has no tribe uh then we also invited uh a a christian conservative to sit next to him

01:38:06.880 a really smart christian conservative also on the other side was a venezuelan uh immigrant somebody who

01:38:16.580 escaped venezuela whole family is in venezuela sees socialism for what it is and was the strongest

01:38:24.440 advocate for the free market system also at the table a progressive socialist professor college

01:38:33.140 professor uh we had a libertarian bass player who was amazing he said i didn't realize you were going

01:38:42.140 to have all these smart people now that i've talked to everybody this is before the dinner started i'm a

01:38:47.920 little intimidated that guy was off the charts smart he's just a well-read individual that believes in

01:38:55.800 libertarian principles uh we had a black media advocate uh anybody else that i missed i mean it was the

01:39:03.380 island of misfit toys and we talked about we talked about everything um uh we talked about gun control

01:39:12.520 but we we we started really with um with censorship and free speech listen we're living in a social media

01:39:21.080 world where everyone just expects you to say something and to a certain extent you do want to

01:39:25.240 say something right because it goes back to the old edmund burke quote the only thing necessary for evil to

01:39:30.000 triumph over good is for good men to stay silent but then also understanding that not every issue or not

01:39:35.780 every hill is worth dying on and and not everything is good versus evil and i think i think that's but

01:39:40.940 everything is feeling like it's good versus evil that if i vote for someone if i believe in something

01:39:44.660 then evil will win the nazis will win i'm you're at this table because i don't know how you're

01:39:51.660 functioning in the world that you live in you're trans and deeply religious and christian

01:39:58.840 who's your tribe i am my tribe amen that's that's good for you i mean god to be hard the reality is i

01:40:09.460 mean i do i do have a tribe right but i am my tribe and if i if i hold true to leaning on myself

01:40:16.520 then i'm able to have strength when i'm in uncomfortable situations and that's why i say i'm my tribe but

01:40:23.380 back to the the social media piece i think what happens with social media is that people have

01:40:28.880 gotten so comfortable with not speaking verbally to one another that we get more comfortable

01:40:34.380 going off on social media about things we're not comfortable talking about face to face and so when

01:40:41.100 we don't want to talk about these places because we don't want to lose our jobs or we don't want to

01:40:45.480 be at a dinner table and have an uncomfortable conversation we lash out on social media it is it's a

01:40:52.400 fascinating conversation and it gets a little a little heated not too much but a little heated

01:40:59.120 when we start talking about gun control um because uh the college professor says look it's an unmitigated

01:41:06.760 fact that xyz and it wasn't a fact he was actually wrong on that and uh we corrected him and uh he said

01:41:17.240 well i want to see the evidence of that and uh we had a we had a great conversation uh and it shows

01:41:25.240 that we're not all that different even though we have wildly different points of view on policies

01:41:32.180 the things we were concerned about were pretty much the same things wouldn't you agree stew

01:41:38.000 i think so yeah and that's i guess what uh what brings you to these moments of realization of

01:41:45.620 understanding that you know everybody has kind of the same concerns right i mean we talk we get so

01:41:51.240 bogged down in that battle of that cnn panel battle right like that distracts us from actual

01:41:58.820 people who say actual things um and that's kind of i think that's the i think that's the secret of

01:42:04.740 this you know i don't know how many times you could do it after people have seen it on tv or they've

01:42:10.740 witnessed it um because people would change they would watch it and they would be like oh i would have

01:42:17.240 said this and they're they'd be trying to win no one at the table was trying to win and that's where

01:42:23.840 we need to get with our families and everything else that's what will bring us back together

01:42:27.580 is learning how to listen to each other learning how to talk to each other learning to how to have

01:42:34.240 your own opinion uh without forcing everybody else to that opinion and the genesis of it is is pretty

01:42:42.280 cool too and that is came from two liberals the idea for this two liberals in california who

01:42:48.460 went through the election saw trump got elected and thought to themselves you know they were surrounded

01:42:53.480 by people who are you know it's california they're liberals everyone couldn't stand trump

01:42:57.440 and they couldn't understand like what they they realized they had no connection uh to a good chunk

01:43:03.440 of of america and that was their bad they needed to to to step out of their little box and so they

01:43:09.520 decided to do this and kind of have a dinner with you know all different people from all different

01:43:13.600 um viewpoints and just kind of just talk about stuff so you can understand it you know we've seen

01:43:18.100 some of this that has been uh interesting lately on uh the right we have people who you know uh write

01:43:24.580 stories about hey i know you people on the left think like gun owners are really terrible people

01:43:30.480 who are crazy and and you know are doing all these wild things and like let me tell you a little bit

01:43:36.380 about the gun culture because it's something you're going to really relate to it's about people

01:43:39.960 defending themselves and defending their families and caring about their families it's you know and

01:43:44.840 a lot of the country sees for example gun owners the way of well the only reason you'd want a gun is

01:43:51.600 because you're out of control and you want to kill people and it's like we are a rational person who

01:43:57.560 sits down and thinks about it for five seconds is going to realize well it's 350 million guns we'd be

01:44:02.560 hearing about not one school shooting every two months but you know a thousand a day or ten thousand

01:44:09.400 a day if if the what they believed about guns was true um and i think when you get down there and

01:44:14.440 you start talking to people they actually know that i think a lot of times you know in social media

01:44:19.600 i'm glad you led with that clip because social media just makes this so much worse is that you

01:44:24.820 get to that point where all you're doing is looking for that cool social media win that people will

01:44:30.220 retweet instead of actually listening to someone and it's not the way we live our actual lives i mean

01:44:35.500 everyone in your family you have diverse opinions and people you got nut jobs every family has them

01:44:42.600 you know a lot of i would describe them as nut jobs where they believe completely crazy liberal

01:44:47.120 things however when i talk to them you don't talk to them like they're nut jobs you don't yell at

01:44:51.320 them you don't scream at them you talk to them like they're real people and you actually care about

01:44:56.160 convincing them about one little piece of it or at least understanding where they're coming from

01:45:00.900 on that piece yeah and and that's my family just my my family because everybody every family has

01:45:06.200 nut job and in my family um we just all refer to them as uncle glenn which is all wait a minute hold

01:45:13.480 it just a second i just figured that out um so anyway watch it tonight at five o'clock it's the first

01:45:20.760 episode of make america dinner again i will tell you that i was i sat right next to you know how i feel

01:45:29.100 about woodrow wilson and professors uh and uh progressives uh i sat next to a very big uh liberal

01:45:36.100 progressive uh uh scholar and uh i thought oh my gosh like how am i gonna sit they put him next to

01:45:45.400 me for a reason and i'm like okay all right breathe deeply and i know he was doing the same thing because

01:45:50.740 he knows who i was at the end even though we strongly disagreed with each other and we called each

01:45:57.540 other on the carpet a couple of times uh he left the table saying that's the best intellectual

01:46:03.940 discussion i have had and i don't know how long yeah and it's the way we should be there's a little

01:46:10.300 bit of it that's like a triathlon and which is just a a feat of your endurance and and your mental

01:46:17.220 strength to not jump into attack mode because you know when someone says something that's really

01:46:23.460 offensive or something you really don't believe you know you your instinct is to be like what the

01:46:29.000 hell are you talking about and you just want to kind of scream at them but isn't it interesting it's

01:46:33.180 not that's not the way to go if you have if you have that moment where you can kind of sit back and

01:46:36.980 you can find the other nine things that you're kind of in agreement on you know it's makes for a

01:46:42.700 heck of a better life i'll tell you that isn't it isn't it interesting the trans man um who i really

01:46:48.840 liked really just a sweet guy um and isn't it interesting how when you say well there's a

01:46:58.000 transsexual it's different when you're sitting at the table and it's a normal person it's a normal guy

01:47:06.840 it's the way i think people uh feel about um uh caitlin jenner you know i i i don't know what i would do

01:47:15.620 in his situation or her situation when he was him and he lived his whole life like that i have so

01:47:24.080 much empathy for him what am i going to throw a rock at him no no probably he lived his life this

01:47:30.980 whole way just just being tortured now science will show i i dare bring up scientific fact here

01:47:40.460 but studies have shown it doesn't necessarily help in fact suicide is even greater among those who

01:47:48.800 have a sex change but i don't know what i would do why am i going to throw a rock at him

01:47:54.360 and you you listen to him he's not talking about transgenderism at all he's not talking about any of

01:48:01.800 it yes he just wants to be treated like a human being that's what i thought was interesting about

01:48:05.800 the conversation and that it wasn't identity politics i did like we kind of in a way like

01:48:11.700 picked people from all these different backgrounds and obviously that is somewhat of based on your

01:48:16.960 identity right like you know yeah someone who you know there's a reason why there's a black trans

01:48:21.160 christian there because it was an interesting person and wanted to hear the perspective but you

01:48:24.600 notice that like that they didn't talk about those things it wasn't it wasn't just about hey i'm a

01:48:31.200 person who's lived this life and here's how it's affected me it was also just opinions about other

01:48:35.300 things and opinions about all the other things there was a lot of agreement on um and yeah you

01:48:40.800 wind up seeing people as actual individuals rather than hey you're in this group and i think that's

01:48:46.980 really productive i know as conservatives that's that's we're not collectivists right we don't put

01:48:51.380 people in groups and identify them by groups we identify people by their individual characteristics

01:48:55.820 and you know i don't know the content of their character i can't believe you just said that

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01:50:49.920 getting towards the end of the show here want to make sure we get in before the end uh glenn's uh

01:50:56.020 nfl draft picks uh your mock is out uh the latest mock draft is out from glenn uh do you want to run

01:51:01.500 throw it here real quick uh no go ahead go ahead go ahead uh go ahead go ahead i go ahead i don't

01:51:07.200 want to yeah i don't i'm a little embarrassed we'll just start i'll lead you to uh browns number

01:51:13.440 one who they take and where do you think they go there uh the guy that i uh uh you know i told you

01:51:19.560 about from that team i can't remember which yeah you've got it written down there uh i i if you sent

01:51:25.460 the draft i didn't get it yet so i you'll have to you'll have to just you know what let's get it

01:51:29.560 tomorrow let's just get into this tomorrow that's not gonna work because the draft starts tonight

01:51:33.220 round one is tonight i know well maybe later this afternoon i'll have you narrow it down which one

01:51:37.600 of the four quarterbacks you think cleveland's going with most people the best one the yeah which

01:51:42.600 one which one do you think they're well what most people believe oh yeah most people believe they

01:51:46.340 will of course select one of the four top quarterbacks available uh and uh you know obviously

01:51:51.700 you have the do you have the choices i think the i think the patriots will pass yeah it's not

01:51:57.840 okay all right guys do you have something you have another okay let me give you the four

01:52:02.740 sam darnold right baker mayfield josh rosen and uh josh allen which one you think josh allen

01:52:11.460 josh allen they're gonna go allen number one that would be a huge upset i don't think people aren't

01:52:15.720 what why are you just i can hear someone speaking no i think i know i i think that

01:52:21.640 the browns are gonna go with warren moon which would be a a strange pick seeing that i i pretty

01:52:30.080 sure warren is probably a little older now but yeah i believe that uh yeah he's gonna okay yeah

01:52:37.660 all right well i maybe we should wait till tomorrow for this one because uh sunny jergensen to the giants

01:52:44.420 okay i'm just i'm just freewheeling here how do you know someone must be speaking in your ear

01:52:51.100 because you would not even know no that would be no that would be no that would be wrong now let's

01:52:57.040 talk uh theater go ahead rattle off some of the shows you've recently seen the time is the time is up

01:53:03.500 but if honestly if you haven't seen hamilton you have to at least get this okay we'll see you tonight at

01:53:11.280 five o'clock glenn back mercury

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The Glenn Beck Program - April 26, 2018

'Us vs. Them？' (w⧸ Ian Bremmer) - 4⧸26⧸18

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