We're Asking the WRONG Questions About the Pentagon Leak | Guest: Salena Zito | 4⧸14⧸23
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On this week's episode of The Glenn Beck Show, Jason and Jason discuss the controversy surrounding the new movie, "Nefarious." Plus, the latest in the Glenn Beck Vs. Jeff Perla feud. Plus, a new episode of the No Pants Challenge.
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Jason is the head of research for the broadcasts that I do, and also the guy who watches over
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global problems that have anything to do with the military.
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And the guy who has the most illegal search history in the entire company.
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You know, it's really scary when you say, you know, you research something, and then you
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go by his office, and he's sitting there, dark room, and you're like, are you okay?
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Anyway, Jason is here because yesterday, the FBI arrests the National Guardsmen linked to
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Can we, let's see if they match what I saw, because it didn't look like the FBI.
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Now, when they were walking out, they had like four rifles.
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Now, I have to hand it to our FBI, because this could have been anybody, anybody in the
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Now, they still don't know who leaked the Dobbs decision, and there's only 12 suspects
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Now, I brought Jason in because, Jason, you were in, and I hate to say it, military intelligence.
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And you were in military intelligence, so you know this stuff.
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So, tell us what he is accused of doing, according to the New York Times.
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So, there was that batch of classified documents that ended up on a Discord server, which gamers
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use to talk to each other while they play games.
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But it was on this Discord server, and somehow it went from the Discord server to eventually
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getting leaked out onto Telegram, places like that.
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But these are, my first thought was, when I saw this break yesterday, I'm like, he's
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21 years old, he's a National Guardsman, and he has access to these kinds of top-secret
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So, these kinds is very important to this story, because when you look at the classified
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documents, and yes, I do have a copy of the classified documents, there's a, I mean,
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I don't have a copy of the classified documents.
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There's a, at the top of it, it'll say, like, somewhere Merrick Garland is laughing
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On these classified documents, it says top-secret at the top, you know, and it also has, like,
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their special access program, SAP, or sensitive compartmentalized information.
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So, what that means is, there's top-secret, and then above that, if you get cleared, there's
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SCI or SAP, which means you're read into certain things.
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So, just because you have a top-secret clearance, you can't just be like, hey, I want to know
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Yeah, so the computer, and this came out on the New York Times yesterday.
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It's been slow drip, which is very odd also from our mainstream media.
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But last night, the New York Times said that he pulled this information off of something
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called JWICS, and that stands for Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communication System.
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So, basically what that is, is that's like an internet service provider.
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That's like if you have your internet through Verizon or Comcast or something like that.
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Now, saying that he pulled it off of JWICS is like, Glenn, if you have Verizon at your house,
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and they said, well, Glenn got this information off of Verizon Wireless.
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Okay, so if you got onto that system, though, does it have like a Google page at the front?
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And it pops up the information, classified details in Ukraine.
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And I'm going to try and tell this with some context that I don't get arrested by an FBI
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So, yeah, they're just kind of there all the time waiting.
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So, you know, when they come and haul them away, I'm on record saying this.
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Jason has worked for me for years and has never, ever, not that you have a bunch of stuff,
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but you've never divulged any kind of classified information in any aspect of anybody's life.
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And also, the system is designed so that I really can't.
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The system is designed so that a 20-year-old enlisted kid can't get his hands on everything
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But what you're just describing, like, you know, go to a Google page, whatever, there
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So, Intel Link is basically, that's like the internet, right?
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Or that's basically like the computers that are all linked together.
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There would, it'd be more, I guess it's more like better to describe it as like an intranet.
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You know, there's a place where you can click on and there's like a group of things here.
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That's for top secret nerds to like say, basically they build like Wikipedia style pages.
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Would this National Guardsman, he is with 102nd Intelligence Wing, he's 21 years old.
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I had this, I had a top secret SCI clearance, which is as high as it gets in the military.
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I would be able to go into the SCIF, the facility where this stuff is at, and I could get onto
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a, I could get onto one of these terminals that's hooked up to JWICS and I could go to
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So, it's basically just a bunch of nerds being like, this is what we're seeing in Ukraine.
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It's not, here are the locations of every single Western special forces team.
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You have to have a special login to send that information to and from terminals on the JWICS.
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Let's just say that, I don't know, the Capitol Police were searching for something and they
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just happened to walk out of the room and it was there on the screen.
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He could take a picture of it on the computer, but that's not what happened.
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He printed it off and then took a picture of it.
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So, how could he, you couldn't have printed it off in the SCIF?
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There would be a, you could, but there would be a record that someone printed that off
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One of the ways they were, you know, one of the many ways they were able to identify this
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guy supposedly was that he printed them off, brought them home, put them on his counter
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and then you could see it was the exact same counter that he had in other photos, the counter
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Yeah, and there was a reflection of the room and things like that.
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Again, can't find the secretary of one of the 12 justices that leaked that.
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They found out because they had a reflection of his furniture in his room.
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I tell you, see, this is the way the system worked back when I was in.
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I heard that they were trying to like modernize the J-Wick system.
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Um, as, I think it started like last year, a couple of years ago.
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Well, I was, I was thinking what, from what they were saying, they were trying to make
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it even more restrictive than when, when I was in.
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Like it was all going to be cloud-based and a lot more like two-factor authentication, all
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What, what really irritated me about the New York Times piece last night was they didn't
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They were just given an acronym and even the, the, what the acronym means.
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Why would the New York Times feel the need to ask the government any questions?
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I mean, they seem to have, you know, trusted their government sources for everything and
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been burned every time as we find out it's false.
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Why would an editor say, did you ask them these questions?
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I mean, it's, it's almost like they were just given a piece of paper and said, print this.
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If you, if I'm at the New York Times and I'm actually curious about getting to the bottom
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of this, because I don't think we're getting the truth, the full story here at all.
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But I personally would have been like, okay, he got it off of J-Wicks.
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Something that's called ice mail and top secret email in J-Wicks?
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Did someone send him an ice mail and this information was on it?
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Justice Department had nothing to do with this.
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I will say that FBI does have access to J-Wicks.
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I'm just wondering how, and let me take a break and have you come back.
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Have you figured out any way that this could be done by this kid?
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Because if you're telling us you can't just log in and he wouldn't have the ability to log in to get this kind of information,
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what would he have to have or how is the most likely way it would have happened?
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Now, they're saying this guy is stationed at the National Guard base as a cyber transport systems journeyman.
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He held the highest level security clearance granted by the government to review top secret information.
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He would be able to get into the SCIF and he would be able to look at that computer.
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But he wouldn't be able to search for it and look for it.
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It would have to have been, he'd have to either know where it was.
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Because I'm guessing, I'm trying to understand this in, and I was going to say normal people terms, but I don't know anybody who's actually been on the dark web except you.
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When you're on the dark web, there is no like Google function.
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You have to know what you're looking for, right?
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People have built search, not kind of, people have built web pages on the dark web where you can search through.
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And is there a list of links on this kind of thing?
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But as far as something that has SAP or SCI access type information, there's no search function for that.
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So you couldn't just be like, I'm going to go to this site on JWix, on the Intel link, and then I'll just pull up all this information.
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So when you asked me before, what's the most likely scenario?
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He just walks into the room and the email, the guy didn't close it out in the SCIF, which would be highly unlikely, right?
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Well, unless they're completely incompetent, which that's a possibility.
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Or someone could have sent him an ICE email that he should not have received.
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So when they arrest him and they're printing him as the guy, is there any way for that to be true, that he is the only one involved in this, far as the getting the information?
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It's possible that he was the only one involved in wanting to steal this information.
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So like I said, if somebody else's mistake allowed him to do this, but that needs to be looked into.
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The other option is someone was feeding him information.
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That is the only two scenarios that I can think of that make sense.
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It's, it's, it's, it's, the way classified information works, it's set up to where a 21-year-old kid cannot do this.
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There's got to be somewhere else where mistakes or protocols weren't being followed.
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So here's the thing that bothered me from the get-go when we first said, we know who this guy is.
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Yesterday, the story was, we know who he is, but we're not going to tell you who he is.
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And the opening paragraph, I think, of the, of the story was, he's a guy who loves God and guns.
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And he's with a bunch of guys on the internet with God and guns.
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And I thought, wow, wow, that's an interesting, that's a, what a, what a, what a great sweet deal.
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And that story was followed by Biden saying, this is why we need to have more monitoring of all websites.
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So, uh, I mean, uh, I would have never said five years ago.
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Would have never said, this smells like a setup.
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This smells like, uh, well, only because of everything else that's going on.
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The first guy who discovered the January 6th pipe bomb.
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Because he told someone, Hey man, you should remove that from Facebook.
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Well, now I know people who know people who were at January 6th and they're like, what are you doing?
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Not that they were doing anything, but when is it, when is it a crime that you say, take that off of Facebook?
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We haven't found the guy who left the bomb, but the guy who discovered the cop who discovered the bomb and then later told somebody else, Hey, you should take that off of Facebook.
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Now, as a movie writer, I would say that that's a great setup for, he knows something, shut him up.
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But then look how they, look how everyone mobilized to figure this out in what, a matter of days?
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And it was the media that actually broke it, or did the media figure this out before the feds did?
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And it's, and that's weird, because that would be internal sources.
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And we know what internal sources have fed us through the media before.
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And did you see how the New York Times came across that information?
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Yeah, we'll talk about that coming up in just a second.
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We're just talking about the National Guardsman who apparently all by himself did something amazing
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that at least a guy who was in a similar position with the military, Jason Batrill, is with us now.
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And in this similar position, he could not do these things.
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But this 21-year-old kid has figured out a way to do the impossible, and as we stated, the media is just running with this,
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And if you know what to ask or you're an inquiring kind of, I don't know, what we used to call a journalist,
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Yeah, I mean, I can't think of any reason why he had the information that he had.
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I think that what we're going to see coming up pretty soon is probably people justifying why he did have this information.
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But a lot of those documents look like internal CIA documents.
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There's no rhyme or reason why he would have those documents specifically.
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I can't think of it unless, like we talked about before, it was negligently left somewhere on J-Wick,
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Let's just say you go with the thing where he could have had them because somebody was looking at those documents in the skiff,
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That's a pretty wide-ranging list of documents.
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I mean, you know, who is looking at that wide of a range?
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So this person had to be so bad that they're at a high enough level to look at all of those documents,
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I mean, that's why you ask these follow-up questions.
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You don't just throw out an acronym, J-Wicks, that you know 99% of the country is not even going to know what that even means,
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which is exactly why I think they left it at that.
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That's why you trace the story back all the way, so that we can find out what the chain of custody here...
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How did they even find out who this guy was to begin with?
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How did they track this guy down before the feds did?
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Yeah, we know Bellingcat for some story in the past.
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I don't remember much about them other than they...
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My feeling is they were kind of nefarious or slimy.
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A lot of people have suspected that they might be not fully on the level,
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but remember when that Sergei Skrippel case came out
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where the Russians were fingered as having used a chemical agent on him in the UK?
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They're the ones that before anybody else, before law enforcement,
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all of a sudden popped up, oh, we know exactly who it was.
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We're like, where are you getting this information?
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Bellingcat is a private intelligence firm as per their own description,
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So they're either awesome Googlers or something else.
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Just Google, who killed that Russian guy in England?
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See if they come up with all the pictures and the plan and everything.
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Try who leaked the Dobbs case from the Supreme Court.
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oh, we don't take money directly from foreign governments,
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Yeah, and it doesn't specifically say which entity that's affiliated with.
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They get funding from the National Endowment for Democracy,
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Now, I don't know, like, okay, I'm just spitballing here, Glenn.
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But if you're either just really, really good Googlers,
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or is it possible maybe some information is flowing through
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I'm just saying it looks very, very interesting.
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And you're not actually claiming to know anything.
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because there is something wrong with this story.
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I mean, these are the things that you would think
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Or at least make that disclosure when you're like,
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I don't even think that they even said that in their actual article last night.
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By the way, this is how we got the information.
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Nearly simultaneously when their article came out,
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so our analysts teamed up with the New York Times
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Because that's an interesting part of the story.
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They always say follow the money, which you just did.
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Because they're trying to say that he's a god and country and guns guy.
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And it's been used immediately to get more resources
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to scrub the web and monitor every nook and cranny of the web
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Well, the interesting thing about the information that has come out,
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this was the most damaging leak since the Civil War.
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Because what Snowden revealed was pretty impactful to the intelligence community.
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I mean, it devastated what they were doing at the time.
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you can tell that they received some of the information
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one even kind of assumed that we were listening in to the Russians.
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Everyone in Congress knew that we had special forces in Ukraine.
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We didn't know the extent for which we were involved.
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But when I say Congress, I mean like the Gang of Eight, right?
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But I mean, even anybody who knows how any of this stuff works
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knows that we have special forces all over the world.
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And then every other government in the world knew this as well.
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I mean, and the thing that came out about Egypt,
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revealing that they were thinking about sending munitions to Russia.
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Well, I see it as, I mean, Australia came and said,
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don't know if we can trust the Americans anymore.
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I don't know if we can share things because it might be leaked.
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Well, I mean, it's one thing for them to say that,
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but for the country that built five eyes and the one that gave them probably 75% of their technology,
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So they can say as much as they want, but they're not going to.
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When it came out that we were spying on, you know, Angela Merkel,
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we have to look at who this guy apparently was.
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And he somehow or another accessed this, but not for an ideological reason.
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Like, I'm going to expose the infrastructure of our intelligence gathering.
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I mean, again, there's so much we don't know about the story.
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here's a guy who was in a very small contained group of friends.
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Who was, you know, it seems like all these teenagers looked up to him as this,
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you know, guy who was really smart and informed.
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And he started trying to prove that and put these documents on him.
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And people keep calling him this, like, batch of documents.
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The way it's being reported, if you read the stories,
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He was just posting them here and there whenever he felt like it.
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However, you know, he would post one or two this day
00:37:29.980
And it just kept coming and people would just see him.
00:37:31.740
And it stayed within this tight environment for a very long time
00:37:35.040
until it started leaking out and then going all over the place.
00:37:37.720
And as soon as it did, he realized he was in deep, deep trouble.
00:37:41.640
And that's why when there's helicopters flying over his house yesterday,
00:37:44.340
he's just out on the back porch reading a book.
00:37:46.740
I will say, for some people who, let's say, were, you know,
00:37:51.740
maybe have viewed some scandals of police brutality
00:37:59.460
If you see how he backs up slowly and listens to the officers,
00:38:05.740
I know you're going to say he wasn't shot because he's white.
00:38:08.820
But, like, if you notice that sort of behavior,
00:38:12.480
it doesn't typically end in your death when you act that way.
00:38:20.920
and those people should pay the price for those crimes.
00:38:23.220
But just a quick note of just how you should surrender to authorities
00:38:26.620
if you've done something wrong, just maybe a little –
00:38:29.660
maybe someone should build a little instructional booklet out of that one.
00:38:38.760
He did the thing he was supposed to do to not get killed.
00:38:41.880
This is a side point, but I think one that might –
00:38:44.800
So, here's this 21-year-old that somehow or another gets his hands
00:38:48.620
on all of these things, and he shouldn't have been able to do that.
00:38:52.680
However, I believe there was another junior enlisted service member
00:38:57.160
who was in his early 20s who leaked a bunch of classified information
00:39:15.200
No, Chelsea isn't the one who committed the crime.
00:39:29.420
he was welcomed back into the White House as a hero.
00:39:49.800
I mean, this is awfully odd, the way some people are prosecuted quickly,
00:39:57.580
and the media is all informed on it, and they're there for the pictures, they knew about it,
00:40:05.200
they have all of the information, and they're in lockstep with the government,
00:40:10.180
and then other times the government can't find things, and the media doesn't even care.
00:40:18.280
I don't even think that's an accurate telling of what the media is doing here.
00:40:22.500
I think it was Glenn Greenwald who pointed this out, that they assisted the FBI.
00:40:29.580
They were the ones really telling everyone who this person was and where they were.
00:40:34.820
And it's like, you know, this is a total opposite of the Bradley Manning thing, of the Edward Snowden thing.
00:40:42.720
You go back to these situations in the past that used to be something that the media really revered, right?
00:40:48.500
A leaker, even if it wasn't ideological, if we can get access to these internal documents, they go crazy over it.
00:40:53.840
We see now, not only in this instance with intelligence, but also in corporate culture with Twitter,
00:41:02.100
They don't care about reading internal documents among high-level executives at Twitter.
00:41:08.520
They act as if these things don't even happen when they happen to be on the other side of their narrative.
00:41:15.380
And meanwhile, we're not talking about what we should be talking about,
00:41:18.320
and that is the government is doing things, according to these documents, in your name.
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What you're about to hear is the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.
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Every day, my wife says, you have to look for more good news.
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And so last night I got home and I said, I have one of the best good news stories I've ever read.
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And I told her the story and she said, A, we have to do this.
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And B, you need to let your audience know you guys should do something.
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I think this is one of the best good news stories I have heard in a very, very long time.
00:44:00.960
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It doesn't care about your savings or lack thereof, any of your monthly bills, your mortgage, your dreams, any of it.
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A church in North Carolina has again unburdened thousands of families who were struggling.
00:45:15.060
Trinity Moravian Church, I guess it is, in Winston-Salem, bought up and canceled nearly $3.3 million in medical debt, belonging to 3,355 families.
00:45:35.160
According to the dispatch, this is the second year the members of the church have taken part in the Debt Jubilee Project, which assumes past due medical bills of residents in the area.
00:45:48.240
Through the project, congregants previously purchased $1.65 million of debt, liberating 1,300 people from the Forsyth and Davison counties.
00:46:00.440
When an individual fails to pay their outstanding medical bill, the medical company that is owned hires a debt collection agency.
00:46:11.780
When the agency can't get the money in its collection efforts, the debt is sold to third-party collection agencies, and these are the sharks.
00:46:21.920
These are the ones that will hunt you down, and they pay pennies on the dollar just to help recoup any loss.
00:46:31.420
The dispatch indicated that these third-party agencies have a legal right to either collect or forgive the debts.
00:46:42.160
In partnership with RIP Medical Debt in New York, the Debt Jubilee Project exercised its right to do the latter.
00:46:51.920
Rev. John Jackman, the pastor of the church, said most of these families were making a go of it until somebody had to go to the hospital for a few days or to the doctor for some serious medical condition.
00:47:06.520
We can't fix the system, so this is the best we can do.
00:47:09.860
The Jubilee Project raised $15,000, and with that, we were able to go in and bid and buy $3,295,863.64 in medical debt in Davis County.
00:47:34.260
Some of the poorer folks that we deal with get medical bills of $1,000 or $3,000, and it might as well be $10 million.
00:47:50.800
You've got to do what you have to do just to live.
00:47:59.080
Then they took all of that debt and burned it in Jubilee and then let everyone know, don't worry about that anymore.
00:48:08.620
I think that's one of the greatest things I've ever heard.
00:48:22.460
For $15,000, they were able to buy that much debt?
00:48:27.580
Okay, so I'm going to put up the first $15,000.
00:48:35.720
Because I've heard that you could buy debt cheaper.
00:48:40.460
And I've heard some organizations doing this type of thing.
00:48:43.360
But $15,000 will buy you millions of dollars in debt?
00:48:50.940
So this is given to the guys who are like, go get them.
00:48:59.360
And if you've ever had debt, you know, I've had debt, you know, when I was young, that
00:49:07.520
And then I had debt that wasn't mine, that these guys wouldn't leave me alone.
00:49:12.640
That's the kind of people that you're dealing with here.
00:49:29.180
But I'm saying that they have no anticipation of ever collecting, right, to get that sort
00:49:36.080
So these people are really at the end of their ropes.
00:49:44.560
Now, this, of course, will be criticized by the left.
00:49:46.980
This happened, even Mr. Beast had to get criticized for this type of thing.
00:49:52.680
Because this just shows that our system is so bad.
00:50:08.380
And when we can, I think this is a great thing for churches, when you can pay that, let's
00:50:19.500
This is the kind of stuff that I've been looking for.
00:50:23.040
Who's going the extra mile in a unique way just to help people in meaningful ways?
00:50:30.480
These are the people who are probably the poorest of the poor.
00:50:33.460
I mean, you have $1,000 of medical debt and you can't find a way to pay it off.
00:50:39.480
And you're hassled and you're afraid to pick up the phone.
00:50:56.300
And I haven't had my researchers look into it yet to see, you know, I want to make sure
00:51:04.720
Before you guarantee a charitable donation, you may want to, just to make sure, no knock
00:51:09.880
I think it sounds like a great idea, but you never know.
00:51:14.800
But I want to make sure that they are, you know, this isn't some woke front or, you know,
00:51:22.240
I want to make sure this money is actually going and what's happening is actually happening.
00:51:32.020
You should do that before you give any charitable donation, by the way.
00:51:39.800
Make sure that it has, you know, the right ratings and, you know, that it's using your money
00:51:48.200
First, here's what a guy, he was a president of Goldman Sachs at one point, before Goldman
00:51:53.900
Sachs was bad, or at least we knew they were bad.
00:51:57.440
He said to me, I said, I don't know how to be charitable.
00:52:05.760
And I just don't want to just, you know, just slosh money around.
00:52:09.120
I want to make sure it's going to the right things.
00:52:12.260
And he said, I look at charitable funds as investments, but you're investing in people.
00:52:26.660
What are you, are you trying to get them an education?
00:52:31.300
What is it that you want to support and then find the organizations that deliver the most
00:52:40.360
amount of that dollar to the actual end recipient?
00:52:49.720
And that's what you should do when you're looking for charities.
00:52:56.480
That's one of the nice things about like give, send, go is it's, it's going right to the
00:53:08.760
And I would, oh my gosh, can you imagine, you imagine how many, how many people that are
00:53:15.340
struggling under, under debt that this audience could relieve?
00:53:20.260
How cool would it be to just be able to call these people and just say, Hey, forget about
00:53:32.700
And if that, I wonder, you know, what market forces would be applied if you tried to do
00:53:40.000
Like $15,000, maybe you can get the cheapest of the cheap.
00:53:43.400
It's got to get more, the debts gets more expensive, the more likely they are to collect it.
00:53:47.920
So you'd wonder if you put, if you try to buy a million dollars, would that have the
00:53:54.460
Probably not, but still it would be do a lot of good for a lot of people.
00:53:57.480
I have a feeling it, it would, um, this organization, again, I don't know enough about it, but this
00:54:06.600
organization, you know, they have, uh, they have things like for here, Dallas Fort Worth,
00:54:13.580
they have an $80,000 goal, 82% of it is raised for Dallas debt, uh, Western, uh, Michigan,
00:54:23.780
You can find the regions that you want to give to, and they have done millions and millions
00:54:38.960
I'm sure there's some organization doing this well and right.
00:54:42.400
And if, it may be, if, if this is the right one to have somebody on about it, to talk about
00:54:46.440
it, I think it'd be interesting to, I think a lot of people want to do good for people
00:54:50.140
without, you know, all the nonsense, you know, I think a lot of these, these causes that
00:54:56.740
are out there, it scares people away from giving their charitable dollars because they
00:55:00.520
see how many of these things they've given to in the past that turn out to be doing things
00:55:04.240
that, you know, you don't want, uh, you don't want to be associated with.
00:55:13.880
Cause once we call them and say, Hey, our audience wants to help, we don't want anything
00:55:23.440
But again, this North Carolina church, fantastic.
00:55:30.180
We have more good, good news stories coming up in just a second.
00:55:33.460
Um, first, let me tell you about real estate agents.
00:55:38.780
You know, the type you run across them there, they're the type of people that just, they
00:55:43.820
seem to always, I mean, they're always helping.
00:55:47.980
They're always there at the right time with the right stuff and saying the right things.
00:55:56.820
I would really like to be one of those people before, before I die.
00:56:00.560
I'd like to be somebody that is, that is just compassion.
00:56:06.720
Wouldn't that be great to be able to say, say about somebody, this person is the person
00:56:12.100
that I know that is the most compassionate person I know.
00:56:18.260
I'm going to get off the script here for a second.
00:56:19.480
I was reading a story last night about a doctor that has done research, uh, on end of life
00:56:32.720
So it's people in like hospice and the nurses apparently know if they're hospice nurses, they
00:56:41.840
know that when somebody has a dream and like their mother comes to them or somebody comes
00:56:47.580
to them that they know they have about 48 hours to live and the doctors always dismisses,
00:56:55.380
but the nurses are the ones that have noticed the pattern.
00:56:58.720
So he did a research study on it and found that that's generally true, that when you're
00:57:04.940
right about to die in a couple of days that they know because you'll have a vision or a
00:57:14.000
And the secret to finding this out was who was compassionate.
00:57:18.520
Doctors were in and out and just looking at the stats, the nurses were actually listening
00:57:25.500
So anyway, you just want somebody who is thinking out of the box.
00:57:29.340
When you're going to work on something, you want somebody who is compassionate and really
00:57:33.360
cares about you as well as they're, you know, standing in the business.
00:57:42.440
I wanted a group of agents and now it's even more important because now you, now you don't
00:57:47.460
even know who you're getting in the car with, you know, now you don't, you have no idea.
00:57:52.420
I don't even feel like they really represent you because I don't know.
00:57:56.300
I might use the word master bedroom by mistake.
00:58:07.080
And, um, you know, generally speaking, you both love the Lord.
00:58:10.940
You'll probably, everybody's trying to do the right thing.
00:58:15.540
They want the seller to get a good deal, uh, as well as the buyer.
00:58:32.940
I want to, um, I want to, uh, talk to you about our podcast that released last night
00:58:58.780
Um, but I urge you to listen, listen to it, especially if you're, if you're somebody who's,
00:59:04.480
you know, working on compassion and there's somebody in your life who is struggling.
00:59:09.560
I have two friends, uh, that I know it's a husband and wife.
00:59:32.280
And, um, they met and fell in love, wanted to get married.
00:59:38.520
But when he turned 18, he started going through real depression.
00:59:44.020
He's manic depressive and it's like textbook, bad, manic depressive.
00:59:51.000
There were times that he just can't even, he just can't even move.
01:00:00.480
And when they talked about marriage, he's like, you can't, you don't, you don't know what I
01:00:07.540
I'm feeling really good, but you don't know me when I go down, I go way down.
01:00:20.860
And now she's gone to be, uh, a nurse that is, um, that specializes in mental illness.
01:00:32.360
Uh, she's a psychiatric nurse practitioner and his greatest advocate.
01:00:41.400
I watch him through the bad times and the good times.
01:00:44.460
And he's one of the most hopeful people, even in the bad times, he's one of the most hopeful
01:00:52.240
I caught him before he was going kind of slipping down again.
01:01:04.020
I think their story needs to be heard because it is a different look at depression.
01:01:10.620
And if you don't know what depression is, when we are having so many suicides, if you
01:01:21.340
And she's able to give you the perspective of somebody who's just watching it and saw
01:01:31.540
And now as a, as a nurse practitioner for psychiatric care, she can tell you the doctor side of it
01:01:39.440
and he can tell you what it feels like on the inside.
01:01:43.640
You'll get perspective like you've never seen before and you will walk away like I, like
01:01:57.340
I don't know how they do it, but they are giants, giants.
01:02:19.200
And how do you help somebody who is helping somebody that is suffering?
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Through faith in God, you will learn anything is possible.
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It's commercial interrupt, no, no commercial interruption because it was just, it just felt
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And I didn't want to throw a bunch of commercials, uh, in it.
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You can watch this podcast now at blaze tv.com slash Glenn blaze tv.com slash Glenn.
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Uh, you can listen to it, but, uh, you'll get so much more when you look at these people
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She has found stories of what she calls dignity and grace.
01:03:35.560
And I want her to tell you, uh, the story of she was in this little coffee shop and she
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overheard this conversation and then got involved in it.
01:03:55.920
The Glenn back program yesterday while I was on the air, we were in an auction and I bought
01:04:12.540
some Lincoln artifacts and also MacArthur's five star license plate from his Jeep right
01:04:23.900
Uh, I, I am trying to preserve American history, but you can help and not on that scale, just
01:04:33.400
This is so important may end up in the end being more important than anything that I collect
01:04:39.560
It's the story of your life, the story of your family.
01:04:44.780
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01:04:54.600
All of that tape, the videotape, the pictures, everything they are decaying at a rapid pace.
01:05:01.360
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01:05:25.280
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You know, I'm just looking at the reviews of Nefarious, which is BlazTV's own...
01:06:00.560
Steve Dace, he wrote this book called Nefarious.
01:06:14.860
Well, he decided he was going to make it into a horror film, and he did, and it opens today.
01:06:21.180
And what Stu and I were joking about was we're reading the reviews, and how many times did I say, don't, don't, you don't, don't...
01:06:34.600
I heard you say it a bunch of times before it happened, and then I heard you encourage them to edit you out.
01:06:42.740
So, the movie reviews are coming out, and the only thing that is being said about this that is negative is me.
01:06:58.340
In fact, one of the reviews complimented your acting.
01:07:04.300
So, don't, please, go to the movie, and then 10 minutes before it's over, just close your eyes.
01:07:09.920
You're going to need to see, you're going to need to hear what's going on, but my big fat face is not even what they're saying.
01:07:16.000
I mean, if I were reviewing, I'd be like, Glenn Beck is enormous.
01:07:27.000
We really should go through your acting career.
01:07:29.920
Because you've been in a few things over the years.
01:07:34.980
Well, you want, they wanted you in one of the Sharknado's.
01:07:40.520
They wanted me, and I was too busy, and I said no, and it was like the second or third one.
01:07:45.940
Yeah, and it was like when they were really hot.
01:07:54.000
You're the only person who regrets not taking a Sharknado role.
01:07:58.940
That would have been so fun to play the president and to be like, send the buzz saws out.
01:08:08.760
And you were, you've been in, you were, weren't you in one of the Ayn Rand movies as well?
01:08:14.700
And now this, I mean, how do you, like, honestly, because we, I love to joke and just torture
01:08:25.060
I mean, like, you've done sketches and other things like that where you've been excellent.
01:08:32.900
That was your, the start of your acting career.
01:08:36.400
You can go to YouTube and search for Glenn Beck on Cheers.
01:08:38.940
And someone went through all the hassle to take the entire episode that you're on.
01:08:43.220
And you are legitimately just a person sitting at the bar.
01:08:50.680
And you just see Glenn behind, what you did on this supposed day where you were, I mean,
01:08:57.820
You were drinking all over the place, all over the bar.
01:09:08.180
If you would like to see Glenn Beck's acting career begin, it is a lot of fun to watch.
01:09:12.100
So anyway, uh, so let me give you the, the, I mean, this is really, these are great reviews.
01:09:19.100
Um, the Christian message, like a progressive lecture admits, uh, an otherwise generic story
01:09:26.220
Even for the true believers, they may be more forgiving of those narrative detours if they,
01:09:32.600
uh, but if they spot them all the same, it's the one reason nefarious is a two-tier triumph.
01:09:40.000
The thriller follows a psychiatrist judging the sanity of a death row inmate.
01:09:45.080
It's more complicated than that, of course, but the film's demonic angle keeps the spiritual
01:09:52.160
Nefarious embraces its mission without sacrificing thrills, integrity, or the genre's core elements.
01:09:58.080
Entourage alum Jordan Belfi stars as Dr. James Martin, a psychiatrist filling in for a colleague
01:10:07.920
The late colleague, to be, to be precise, courtesy of a chilling prologue.
01:10:13.900
Dr. Martin must evaluate a serial killer before his planned execution.
01:10:18.120
If he determines the inmate to be sane, then the grisly show goes on.
01:10:21.600
If not, the killer will keep rotting away in prison.
01:10:25.600
The inmate proves as challenging as the prison warden promised.
01:10:30.460
That's Sean Patrick Flannery as Edward Wayne Brady, who claims to be possessed by a demon
01:10:40.560
Cue a battle of wills, one allowing Flannery to chew on the scenery in a fully committed performance.
01:10:46.440
Much of nefarious involves the fiery back and forth between the doctor and the inmate.
01:10:49.940
The audience will appreciate Flannery's twitchy approach to the material.
01:10:54.320
He is hypnotic, and you will not be bored for a minute.
01:11:04.140
He's not going to win because of the movie, and maybe because I'm in the movie.
01:11:09.240
He's not going to win an Oscar, but he should be nominated for an Oscar and maybe win it.
01:11:15.360
Then the next one, nefarious, a thought-provoking supernatural horror exercise in morality.
01:11:24.160
What if I were to tell you this is a Christian film within a horror genre?
01:11:29.420
Some Christians may react negatively because one of the biggest criticisms about modern Christian films
01:11:36.200
is that the portrayals of real life are so overwhelmingly uplifting that it borders on parody.
01:11:41.760
It's rare to see a Christian film or even a modern Christian sermon that covers the topic of sin.
01:11:48.180
Whenever anyone shines a light on the evils that consume our world today,
01:11:52.140
people tend to get uncomfortable in the face of defined definitions of right and wrong.
01:11:57.240
As a result, most Christian content won't even highlight society's issues of immorality
01:12:02.540
because the belief is that it's much easier to win people over by being uplifting rather than being truthful.
01:12:08.560
Not only does this film stand apart with its strong Christian background,
01:12:13.040
but it also eschews the Blumhouse style of horror films about a cliché portrayal of demons
01:12:20.180
with mediocre plots highlighted by cheap actors that leads to a solid 90 minutes of jump scares.
01:12:27.640
The genre has become so formulaic that audiences don't even react to it due to its repetitiveness.
01:12:33.260
Nefarious takes that film and takes it in a completely different path.
01:12:44.320
It's not playing all over the country, but go see it this weekend.
01:12:47.480
They need a big opening this weekend to be able to keep it in theaters and expand it.
01:12:51.740
You can get your tickets at whoisnefarious.com.
01:12:57.920
Nefarious starring Emmy winner Sean Patrick Flannery as Jordan Belfi in Entourage is a riveting new thriller.
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Synopsis is, and I just gave you the synopsis, but listen to the way they talk about this.
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The two actors have great feisty chemistry together where at times it is so intense the energy is palpable through the screen.
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Sean Patrick Flannery is a true force of nature where he delivers a gripping performance for the ages.
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He is able to invest humanity, vulnerability, and believability in this complex title character.
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It was both physically and mentally demanding as a role for Flannery, but he nailed it.
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The screenplay allows for resonance, and it is filled with several twists and turns that will have the audience not see what is coming.
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What somewhat convincingly nefarious makes the case that humankind, despite its best intentions, will always drift to the dark side.
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The heavy lifting here is accomplished by Flannery.
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He goes on to talk about how good he is, blah, blah, blah.
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Nefarious zips through most of its brisk one hour and 38 minutes.
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It's efficient runtime rendered even more lively by the snappy editing from Brian Jeremiah Smith, who edited Get Out.
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But after racing towards the slam-bang climax of a convulsive death house scene, the proceedings come to a grinding halt, thanks to an extended, ill-advised epilogue featuring, of all people, Glenn Beck.
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Redeemed, ironically, by one last devil in the details.
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And I don't, I mean, my guess is, I have not actually seen the movie, but my guess is you actually probably do a good job in this.
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You know, here's what people have been saying to me.
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Yeah, you would think you do know how to do that one.
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But I think it's just because you're just a well-known figure.
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But the fact that you're playing yourself is usually excused.
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It's not like they put you in a separate role and it was hard to picture you.
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You know, these actors come out and they make all sorts of crazy political points.
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And then you see them in a movie and they might be doing a decent job in the movie acting.
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But like, it's hard to separate them from their annoying political opinions.
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It's not even like saying, well, actors shouldn't be able to give their opinions.
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And so if you were like playing, you know, some random guy in this movie, I can understand
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how that might be hard for the left to separate.
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As the president until he started becoming so active and so vocal.
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I no longer saw him as the president in West Wing.
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And it wrecked it for me because I only saw the person, the actor.
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But when you're playing yourself, obviously, and I play me very well.
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I can't wait to see this movie so I can critique each and every word.
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And you do not want to see a two-story version of your face, especially when you're fat and
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And I think he was running the camera on my scene.
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And this is, you know, we sit in a studio every day that has a giant stretched out picture
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And just that is, though, like, you see a lot of detail that you don't want to see.
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No, on IMAX, you could stand in one of the pores in my face.
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And I will say, listening to you talk about this and, you know, seeing this photo and everything,
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we often mock Hollywood celebrities for being obsessed with how they look.
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Sarah, it's the worst part of the story is your wife thought it was a jump scare when
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And I just looked down after looking at the screen.
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I really want to know, did you get an explanation from Tanya, your wife?
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We were talking about we're having dinner with some friends and I said, my wife grabbed
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Someone who will tell you that your face is terrifying.
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I really feel sorry for those those people who, you know, are married to somebody who just
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And there is nothing better than marrying somebody like that because you just go home
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Why don't you pick up your underpants and bring them to the washing machine?
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Pam wrote in about her experience with Relief Factor.
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So I spent a lot of years trying to fix the pain.
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I was going into pain clinics and I just couldn't stop the pain.
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I ended up taking stuff that just wasn't worth it in the long run.
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It has made a tremendous difference in my life.
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If you're just in pain, would you just try this?
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70% of the people go on to order more month after month.
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So we were just talking about the movie Nefarious.
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And, you know, I sold Stu, you know, distraction in it.
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And so maybe I should look for a city that would, you know, if you know of a theater that would want to do this.
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I, my daughter wants to be an actress and she's really good.
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And I watch her in shows and I would love to play a role against her.
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It's actually three, but the other is a bit part.
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And it's just about a father and daughter and coming of age.
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It's exactly, I mean, she's two years too young probably for this role.
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And it's about a daughter who wants to know more about her father who was gone and wants to be an actress.
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And the only thing, the only bad thing about it is I want to do it.
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I want to do it for an audience, but I don't want reviews because they'll suck.
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And you'll have a hard time if you went seeing me other than Glenn Beck.
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You know, so it's, I'm not trying to be an actor.
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And I want to, you know, I'll rent a theater and I don't care as long as it pays for itself.
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I don't care about, you know, making money or anything else.
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I just want to do this and I want to do it in a city that, you know, is not going to review in the New York Times and say,
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Glenn Beck's trying to be an actor and blah, blah, blah.
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I want to do it either next fall or next spring.
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What you're about to hear is the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.
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I think we're going to start calling these Good News Fridays.
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I just want to, one day a week, let's just stop and look at wins and good news.
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And with my record of short attention span, this may be the only good news Friday we ever do.
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But, uh, today, the last hour of the program, we have some really great news.
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We're going to start with a very big win for life in a case that you probably haven't heard of.
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Um, but something big has just been overturned.
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But the people who are fighting it in these states, same people.
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What are you doing today to make sure the money you have worked hard to earn over the years doesn't lose all of its value?
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Uh, I have a story, uh, and maybe I should include this in today's good news.
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I disagree with it, but there is a story that, uh, is out that says, you know, Glenn Beck and, uh, who is it?
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Glenn Beck and Tucker Carlson are saying that the U.S. economy is going down and the U.S. dollar is going to lose its status.
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If the dollar falls, our economy is going to be in real trouble because all of this money is going to be released from central banks and it's going to be washing all over everywhere.
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So what are you going to do to protect your investments that you have?
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I know this has sounded crazy for a long time, but, uh, you know, gold is up to what, uh, 2050 today.
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Uh, they say JPMorgan Chase says it's going to hit 2300 soon.
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Right now, Goldline is having a sale on their real currency, gold, and they're giving you a free one ounce copper Mayflower round with every historic $5 coin you acquire.
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The $5 Indians and the old Liberty coins are the ones that I buy.
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I wish I wouldn't have lost them in that fishing accident on the lake, but I did.
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He serves as the senior vice president of bioethics and public policy for Christian medical and dental associations.
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Uh, he is a guy who, um, left, you know, daily practice to, uh, work with MEI, which is Medical Educational International for Christian
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Um, he founded later Grace Haven, an organization assisting victims of domestic minor sex trafficking in Ohio.
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He served as the member of the technical working group on health and human trafficking under the Department of Health and Human Services.
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And so when his state said, you have to do, I don't care if you're Christian or not, you have to assist people in suicide.
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And he and another doctor, I believe it was Dr. Lacey, um, took them to court.
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And by their side is somebody else who's going to be on the phone with us.
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He is the Alliance Defending Freedom Senior Counsel.
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So, so, um, doctor, tell me what you would have been or people like you would have been forced to do had this not been turned over.
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Well, I first need to slightly correct you in that New Mexico is not my state.
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I actually live in Ohio, but I was part of CMDA and we have many members, including Dr. Lacey in New Mexico.
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And if this law had taken place and we had not filed the lawsuit with the help of ADF, our members would have been, first of all, required to tell their patients who they considered as being terminal, maybe having six months or less left to live, about the option of assisted suicide.
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And then, even if they personally disagreed with it, they were required to make an effective referral if that patient did request assisted suicide.
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So, we're very thankful that the lawsuit was successful in encouraging and getting the New Mexico legislature to change the law and the governor signed it into law.
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And it's, as you said, a very big win for our members there in New Mexico.
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I have to tell you, I mean, I don't understand why doctors can't have their own belief and say, no, you know what, I can't do that.
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But if you, you know, want to do that, you'll have to go to another doctor and you can find them.
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Why you're required to, you know, name another doctor that they can go to when you so strongly religiously believe that it is wrong.
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And if I'm not mistaken, and I, forgive me if I am, but I understand that you have a terminal illness that you've been battling.
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A little over a year ago, I was given the diagnosis of stage four non-Hodgkin's lymphoma.
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And I have made the point that if I lived in New Mexico, my doctor would have been required to tell me about assisted suicide at the same time of giving me that same diagnosis.
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And I can tell you, being in the patient's position, that would have been devastating to me.
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I mean, it's hard enough to hear the diagnosis of stage four cancer.
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And you're wondering, all kinds of things are going through your mind.
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And then to have the doctor go on and say, by the way, here is an option for you.
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You can go ahead and we'll help you kill yourself.
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That is that is totally the wrong thing to tell a patient at that time, much less make a physician or health care professional say that to a patient.
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So it's not just, though, about the medical profession is becoming, to me, extraordinarily frightening because I'm a student of history.
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I look back at what we're repeating and through eugenics and all of the things that happened here in America and in Germany.
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Once you start to devalue life, once you start to say, hey, maybe we can kill the young and the elderly because they don't have a life worth living.
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And so it's it is not just about that one patient that you don't have to help kill.
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But it is also, I hope, drawing a line in the sand that says physicians first do no harm.
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Exactly. You're exactly right, Glenn, because we have lost the overall purpose of medicine, which for millennia has been to heal the patient, not to kill the patient, but to heal the patient.
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And if they suffer from a terminal disease, to help them as much as possible, to limit the suffering, to come alongside them, to support them.
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But never, ever should we be hastening that death.
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And this is exactly where medicine is going, unfortunately, across many areas of the country.
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So we're very thankful, again, for the help of ADF and for the New Mexico legislature listening to this lawsuit and recognizing the importance of of of of looking and accepting the conscientious rights of health care professionals.
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You are fighting a battle just like this now in California, aren't you?
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We are. We are, Glenn. Thanks so much for having me on.
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So so what we saw in New Mexico is actually it's very unique.
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You know, oftentimes when when these laws are passed, legalizing assisted suicide, what we've seen in state after state is that the so-called safeguards that are supposed to be put in place and even protections for caution beliefs.
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Number one, they don't last and they don't work.
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And so California is a really good example of that.
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So that when they first passed their law, they did put in so-called protections for medical professionals like Dr. Barrows.
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But it wasn't too long after that that they amended their law to take away those protections, thus prompting our lawsuit.
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So we're we're really thrilled and excited by what we saw happen in New Mexico.
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Probably one of the first, maybe the first times that we've seen a law like this get amended in a positive direction.
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So we're really hopeful that not only are we going to start stemming the tide of this wave of legislation across the country, but that we might even be able to start turning that tide as people learn more about what's actually at stake with these laws.
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Doesn't this also kind of bleed over into the push now to have all all doctors, no matter what their their religious belief, they've got to participate in some way or another in abortions?
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Absolutely. I think it's a part of this broader push to really weaponize the medical profession to advance a radical, a radical political agenda, whether that's with end of life issues, as we're discussing today,
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whether that's at the beginning of life with forced participation in abortion, whether that's with sex change surgeries and all of the procedures that go along with that, that doctors are being now told that they have to participate in as the price of practicing medicine.
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And what Dr. Barrows and the other doctors that we represent are standing up and saying is that, you know, the medical profession is supposed to be about helping and healing people.
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It's not supposed to be about hurting and killing people as this radical agenda proposes.
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And again, we're just thrilled that we're already starting to see victories on the ground like we saw in Mexico.
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And we're very optimistic that as more people learn that that is that these laws are going to drive good, excellent doctors like Dr. Barrows out of the medical profession,
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that people are going to stand up and say, you know, we're not we're not going to allow that to happen here in America.
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So, Dr. Barrows, let me ask you, I'm so concerned at what's happening in Canada because they're just ahead of us and they're already having physicians assist suicide for depressed teenagers.
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There is this push in medicine, especially at the the the school level.
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Our universities that are teaching our next doctors are discriminating on, you know, gender care.
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If you disagree with any of this woke stuff, you're going to have a harder time getting in.
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So we're spoiling the next group of doctors that are going to replace you.
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Is there is there any battle, real significant battle and pushback to this stuff in the in education?
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Well, Glenn, you're you're again hitting a very important point.
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Not only has Canada crossed into the provision of assisted suicide to younger people, but they've also crossed the threshold into euthanasia, which is what we want to avoid here in the United States at all costs.
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But especially in regards to what you were talking about with Chris and training in OBGYN or for medical students, it's one thing for a practicing physician who has established themselves and they've got to practice to be able to refuse to engage in either assisted suicide or an abortion.
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It's quite another when you are a senior medical student or a first year resident in obstetrics and gynecology, where you're being put in a position where you're told you have to assist in an abortion.
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And what student has the ability to understand my whole education could be threatened if I refuse?
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And this is what we're seeing happening more and more across the country in all kinds of medical education scenarios.
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And frankly, we're quite worried for our students and residents and trying to look for ways to be able to protect them.
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Yeah. Anything we can do to help you, let us know.
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Dr. Barrows, thank you for everything you've done.
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And thanks for helping stand up and congratulations.
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And if you would like to help in this fight, adflegal.org.
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Find the thing that you're passionate about and go in deep.
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Help them stand against this real evil that is going to last a generation already.
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If we don't stop it, it's just dark stuff ahead.
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Here's another thing on the medical front, on abortion.
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There is somebody that has just quietly started to do a movement of we need to renew our covenant with God.
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And I really want to be there because that's how we started.
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And we need to ask for forgiveness, pray and fast and re-covenant with God and then get into his service.
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So, we're sitting here in tatters wondering, what are we going to do?
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What are we going to do to show compassion, to help our fellow man, even if we disagree with them?
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So, pre-born, the ministry of pre-born does this by saving babies and mothers.
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The mothers of unplanned pregnancies, we meet them where they're at and shower them with God's love, the moms and the babies.
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They're still helping the mom because these moms feel like they have no place to turn.
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We really could use your help just in helping us pay for the ultrasounds at abortions.
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We want to provide them free because somebody's coming in for abortion isn't going to say, yeah, give me an ultrasound.
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Talking about love and compassion, I want to tell you about Aaron and Tiana Elmer.
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He has bipolar disorder unlike anything I've ever seen.
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He was a very high-functioning, very intelligent guy.
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Then he goes to college, and in the middle of it, everything flips upside down, and he starts battling himself, mental illness.
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He meets a young girl over, I think, in Australia, and they fall in love.
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She's like, I know everybody's telling me not to marry.
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In fact, she says one of the most offensive things people say to her all the time is, why did you ever marry him?
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And they have kids, and they function, and it is hard.
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And she became a psychiatric nurse practitioner to be able to not only help him but help others as well.
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So she gives an incredible interview along with her husband.
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It's a very raw account of what it's like to be married to somebody diagnosed with a serious mental illness, and he also describes the mental illness from the sufferer's point of view.
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You'll be able to understand somebody who's going through real depression, what they're feeling.
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She can then talk about it from the doctor's side, but also as a family member.
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We didn't want to run any commercials, this commercial non-interrupted, and we wanted to make sure that we got this to as many people as possible.
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So how long did it take you before, because I've been suicidal when I was younger, and it is a different world.
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And while you're in it, you're searching for the problem.
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And as you exhaust all of those, you then arrive at it's me, which is horrible.
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So, explain the difference between a parent dying and being depressed and the way you experience depression.
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And some of those feelings of being abandoned by God.
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And here's C.S. Lewis, who wrote Mere Christianity, you know, had some great insights on things.
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It's put out by the MAGA people, and it's against Ron DeSantis.
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I would like all of us to remember Ronald Reagan's 11th commandment.
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Ron DeSantis loves sticking his fingers where they don't belong, and we're not just talking about pudding.
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DeSantis has his dirty fingers all over senior entitlements, like cutting Medicare, slashing Social Security,
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Tell Ron DeSantis to keep his pudding fingers off our money.
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Make America Great Again, Inc. is responsible for the content of this episode.
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I know, and I've got a great pudding fingers joke that I could use, but I'm not going to.
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But please, guys, please, the 11th commandment.
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I mean, look, has DeSantis participated in this at all?
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No, I just wish Donald Trump would just do that.
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That's a good news Friday, but I just would like to...
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If we bifurcate, if we can't come together, I'm going to support Donald Trump.
01:47:51.800
I will support Lassie if Lassie becomes the candidate.
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She is one of my favorite, favorite reporters, because she's actually a journalist, and she
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Because if you drive on a highway or a turnpike or an interstate, that's just like flying in
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Okay, maybe you'll go to a chain restaurant and a chain gas station, and you get back on
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You don't interact and see and feel what's going on in the country.
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So you wrote a report, I think it was for The Examiner, and your story was, stories of
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And you start talking about going into this small little town and listening to people's
01:49:19.100
Yeah, I have a bad habit of listening to people's conversations, mainly because I love people
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watching, no matter where I go, whether I'm sitting in a restaurant or sitting in a park
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And there was this couple, along with another gentleman, that were having a grand old time
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at this lobby bar in Bedford, Pennsylvania, at the old Bedford Springs Hotel, which is
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a great historic hotel that goes all the way back to Georgia, Washington, stayed there.
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And my first impression was, geez, these guys must have been friends since high school.
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I mean, they are laughing and having so much fun.
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I mean, even when it went throughout politics, it was clear that the couple was very liberal.
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And the other gentleman that was sitting with them was clearly center right.
01:50:25.540
And they were talking about their points of view, who they liked.
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And, of course, I had to eventually join into the conversation.
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By the way, not during politics, but it was over picking bourbon because they had just been
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And then, you know, I said, so, like, did you guys go to high school together?
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And they're like, no, we just met 15 minutes ago.
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And you've been, you know, talking about, you know, they talked about abortion.
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By the way, the Democrat family does not want Biden to run.
01:51:27.480
But they're like, yeah, well, why, you know, how do you learn to sort of be able to argue
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your convictions robustly without understanding someone else's point of view?
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And once in a while, your point of view might even get changed.
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So it makes no sense to us to not engage with each other on something like that.
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So I find that to be more normal than unusual, usually not with me, because if somebody gets
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in front of me and has a different point of view, they suddenly begin to speak for all
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But I know other people, and I watch it happen with other people.
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So two weeks ago, Ron DeSantis came to Pennsylvania, and he did a speech at the Pennsylvania Leadership
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And, you know, this is, you know, sort of the heart of the grassroots movement, this event
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Grassroots people come from all over the state to come and go to this.
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And I was watching, like, I was watching this thing.
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And there were tons of people with MAGA hats on.
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And I was like, oh, I wonder how this is going to go.
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He brought the house down and really just gave this speech that really spoke to people and
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And I saw, and I watched, you know, all the people with the MAGA hats on.
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And they were the first people, along with everyone else, to stand up and give him standing
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I believe that what I said before you were introduced.
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They might, you know, think, I'd really rather have DeSantis.
01:53:54.040
And they will back Trump or DeSantis if the two of them don't kill each other.
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And because I heard what you said beforehand, I think it's really important that you hear
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this, because this is what I heard over and over again among these voters.
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Not all of them loved his comportment, but they accepted it.
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But a lot of them are saying, look, I loved him.
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However, I'm not looking in the rearview mirror.
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I think it's time we went with someone younger.
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And they didn't kill each other by being able to have that conversation.
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And they said, look, if he is nominee, we'll go for it.
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And the other thing I found, which I thought was so fascinating, back in 2016, there was,
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There was a person who was afraid to say they were for Trump over Hillary Clinton.
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Silent DeSantis voter, because they think their family is going to get mad because they like him over Trump.
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She said, you know, reporters don't understand it, but we can actually walk and chew gum at the same time.
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We can still have respected and appreciated his presidency.
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And I, you know, no matter what happens, I will always have a very soft place in my heart for Donald Trump,
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because that guy has taken a beating for all of us, really.
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He took a beating unlike any person I have ever seen anywhere in politics, and he's still taking a beating.
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And so, you know, some people, you know, don't want to say anything because, you know, you don't you don't want to tear him down.
01:56:23.540
Yeah, I think that people have loyal people are able to separate it.
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Yes, I have loyalty to what he did, how he stuck his neck up for us.
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I have loyalty for what he did for this country.
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That doesn't mean it does not mean that I don't like him, even though I want someone else to carry the torch forward.
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These things are much more nuanced than how reporters tend to generalize things too much and stereotype things too much.
01:57:04.120
And they also are dying for a fight like they're dying for a fight.
01:57:10.160
They want to see they want to see this sort of bloodbath between DeSantis and and Trump.
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And conservatives, they just would have had three elections in a row of not winning.
01:57:30.480
I just want to I want to elect the guy who's going to fight for us.
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I want somebody who's going to stand up and stand up to the Mitch McConnell's and the Joe Biden's and the Merrick Garland's and all of those people.
01:57:48.960
And I think that's where the calculation like the Trump has understood that that sentiment that you're talking about.
01:57:58.240
Unfortunately, I think for conservatives, and it's giving conservatives a bellyache, is that he's also taking it to another Republican.
01:58:09.040
And so that ad that you played, my goodness in heaven, I felt like I was listening to the to the ad that Nancy Pelosi's team ran against Paul Ryan in like 2009.
01:58:22.340
It was right out of their their their playbook.
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And and sort of watching all the stories against Ron DeSantis being dropped in the Daily Beast and NBC News is also kind of weird.
01:58:41.540
And and I think that they need to if Trump wants to be successful, this is likely not the way to do it.
01:58:53.240
Thank you for your thank you for your diligence of going on the road and actually listening to people.
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You're the most fascinating journalist out there, I think.
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02:01:23.420
So, Stu, you going to see my big fat face in Nefarious this weekend?
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I have approximately 37 sporting events to go to with the children this weekend.
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So, I do not know if I will get there this weekend.
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So, you're going to be at the draft and you're like, this one.
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It's just torture because it's just all the time.
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You know, if I could have front row seats to see my, you know, the Toronto Blue Jays, which
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are my favorite team, America's team, of course, play every day.
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And like, you know, Zach's my favorite baseball player.
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I went to Rafe, all of Rafe's Florida, football.