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00:00:26.760 Well, we have to start the show with a California update brought to you by our sponsor, New Pooperoni.

00:00:35.920 Pooperoni on San Francisco streets.

00:00:38.640 Yes, California's crappy policy is now yielding some literal crappy results.

00:00:44.200 In one week, the city of San Francisco logged over 16,000 complaints of human poop on the streets.

00:00:51.360 Let me say that again. 16,000 people called the city and went,

00:00:57.860 there, somebody's crapping in the street in front of my house.

00:01:01.720 In seven days, the mounds of vagrant generated poop actually forced the closure of a convention being held downtown.

00:01:12.660 You know, didn't somebody just pull a convention because of a bathroom issue in some other state?

00:01:22.240 I mean, this is a bigger bathroom issue.

00:01:25.720 If you live in San Francisco, I want you to know help is on the way.

00:01:30.700 Mayor London Breed was, I'm quoting,

00:01:34.320 being absolutely shocked after walking around town and seeing not only all of the poop,

00:01:40.000 but all of the used drug needles.

00:01:42.500 Now, how many needles are they giving out in San Francisco every month?

00:01:45.420 And it's like 500,000?

00:01:46.720 There's hundreds of thousands.

00:01:47.940 There's hundreds of thousands of needles they're giving out.

00:01:51.100 Well.

00:01:51.680 And some of those come back to be recycled, too.

00:01:54.240 I mean, certainly not all of them.

00:01:55.900 Well, they're supposed to return them, but you can't expect.

00:01:57.820 When you, you know, heroin users, they're not always dependable.

00:02:01.980 Well, the mayor has decided she's mad as hell and she's not going to take it anymore.

00:02:06.700 So she's bringing it, bringing out the big guns.

00:02:10.000 It's a new really breed of a new hero.

00:02:13.120 I think we're going to be seeing this, this action hero on the big, big, big screen soon.

00:02:18.460 It is the San Francisco version of Delta Force or the Navy SEALs.

00:02:23.160 And they may already be patrolling your streets in San Francisco,

00:02:26.900 dressed in hazmat suits and patrolling neighborhoods with the state-of-the-art patrol vehicle

00:02:32.960 equipped with a steam cleaner and disinfectant.

00:02:37.260 They are the men and women of the San Francisco Poop Patrol.

00:02:45.700 Yep, this is our country.

00:02:48.620 Now, keep in mind, this story is not a parody.

00:02:52.880 This is true.

00:02:54.000 San Francisco has now allocated over $100 million to combat the poop and needle problem.

00:03:07.080 Now, you might be thinking to yourself,

00:03:09.660 holy crap, $100 million?

00:03:12.300 That sounds like a colossal waste of a ton of money.

00:03:14.840 Really? You can't get it done for cheaper than $100 million?

00:03:18.640 Well, remember, it's California and San Francisco.

00:03:24.140 I mean, the Bay Area, $100 million.

00:03:25.740 You know, San Francisco residents.

00:03:28.220 You remember when $100 million, you know, was a lot of money?

00:03:31.660 It doesn't go as far, you know, as it used to in that hellhole of San Francisco.

00:03:37.060 $100 million in San Francisco, I think, can get you

00:03:40.160 maybe 175 square feet, you know, of a beautiful apartment.

00:03:47.940 Probably, I think somewhere between five and eight gallons of gas or the Poop Patrol.

00:03:55.420 So, which would you spend it on?

00:03:58.880 The new San Francisco Public Works budget includes $72.5 million for street cleaning.

00:04:05.760 Get this one.

00:04:07.180 $12 million for housekeepers.

00:04:12.080 To get this.

00:04:14.080 Clean homeless encampments.

00:04:18.100 Well, first of all, I got one problem.

00:04:20.460 They're not really housekeepers.

00:04:21.680 If there is no home, they're homeless.

00:04:26.220 So, let me see if I have this straight.

00:04:29.360 If I'm working in San Francisco, I'm just working at a deli,

00:04:33.200 and I'm paying taxes to San Francisco,

00:04:35.920 and I have to go home and clean my house,

00:04:39.400 I'm paying taxes so the people who come and poop in front of my store,

00:04:47.360 I'm paying taxes so they have a housekeeper?

00:04:51.680 Oh, my gosh.

00:04:54.680 Also, $2.8 million for washing down the camps and removing any biohazard,

00:04:59.620 $2.3 million to steam the poop-infested streets,

00:05:03.540 $3.1 million for portable toilets,

00:05:07.020 $700,000 for a 10-member needle cleanup squad,

00:05:12.460 and, of course, nearly $900,000 for the poop patrol.

00:05:17.340 Each member of the poop patrol takes over,

00:05:20.080 you ready?

00:05:22.040 Takes home over $184,000 in salary and benefits.

00:05:26.340 Now, I don't know.

00:05:29.120 I don't know what it would cost to get me to pick up human poop.

00:05:37.540 It would probably be a little more expensive than that.

00:05:42.160 But are you telling me that you can't find, oh, I don't know,

00:05:48.120 a group of teenagers, college students, anybody?

00:05:51.240 How about all of those progressives that just love people so much

00:05:56.300 and they just want to do good?

00:05:58.340 And you're telling me that you can't get them for, I don't know,

00:06:01.360 a bag of weed and a hemp dress?

00:06:06.100 You can't get them to go clean the streets of the human feces?

00:06:09.580 Really? $184,000 is what you're paying people to pick up poop?

00:06:18.340 If I may, I'd like to give some advice to the new unit

00:06:22.820 patrolling California streets.

00:06:25.800 If you would like to clean up all the crap in your cities,

00:06:29.620 I would suggest that you start removing the human poop

00:06:33.120 that you strangely, in California, call politicians.

00:06:36.780 The ones that are throwing all this money at a failed city

00:06:41.160 and a failed policy, one, right after another.

00:06:44.740 You can't really get rid of the scent of poop

00:06:48.040 by simply spraying something on it to cover up the scent.

00:06:52.360 You have to shovel it out.

00:06:54.720 May I suggest that you start shoveling out

00:06:56.980 the Capitol building in Sacramento

00:06:58.700 and then work your way down to every city government from there.

00:07:03.100 Wait a minute, I got a name.

00:07:05.200 Poop Patrol for Progressive Politicians and Policy

00:07:09.580 or the PPPPP.

00:07:13.060 And I think there would be some funding

00:07:16.720 from rich people all over the country.

00:07:21.120 I would make a donation right now to the PPPPP.

00:07:25.720 If we could get one in Washington,

00:07:28.160 who's with me?

00:07:29.400 Keep an eye out

00:07:31.600 and look for them coming soon

00:07:33.700 to movie theaters near you

00:07:35.160 patrolling the streets of D.C. and San Francisco.

00:07:39.220 The Human Poop Patrol.

00:07:46.520 Stooge just looked at me

00:07:47.820 and he said,

00:07:48.780 could we discuss this a little?

00:07:51.140 Why not?

00:07:52.140 So, $184,000 a year

00:07:56.320 for the Poop Patrol.

00:07:57.260 Of course.

00:07:58.280 Now, there are services

00:07:59.620 in this service economy

00:08:01.700 we now have.

00:08:02.340 Yes, yes.

00:08:02.960 Which will come to your home

00:08:04.500 and pick up the dog poop

00:08:07.260 from your lawn

00:08:08.820 for like,

00:08:11.480 you know,

00:08:11.780 you come over once a week

00:08:13.160 and it's like maybe $50 a month.

00:08:16.140 Now, I appreciate capitalism,

00:08:19.020 but there is also another service

00:08:20.860 that comes over

00:08:21.520 and picks up the poop in your lawn

00:08:22.940 from your dogs.

00:08:24.120 Okay.

00:08:24.340 It's called 12-year-old children.

00:08:28.020 Well, I don't have one of those.

00:08:29.020 As I explained to my kids,

00:08:30.460 that's what I had you for.

00:08:34.120 But, first of all,

00:08:35.560 that seems like a really high rate

00:08:38.040 No!

00:08:39.260 to go pick up poop.

00:08:40.700 $184,000 a year gig

00:08:43.500 to pick up poop?

00:08:43.640 That's a great gig.

00:08:45.220 I would think that there's...

00:08:45.860 Let me ask you this.

00:08:46.880 How much would it take

00:08:48.500 for me to get you

00:08:49.620 into the poop industry

00:08:50.600 right now?

00:08:52.580 I mean...

00:08:53.180 How much does it take

00:08:54.980 to get you into the poop?

00:08:56.560 I mean, $184,000 easily

00:08:57.600 gets me into that gig, right?

00:08:58.820 Easily.

00:08:59.660 Easily.

00:09:00.140 I mean, $100,000 gets you

00:09:01.540 into that gig probably too.

00:09:03.260 If this isn't the perfect example

00:09:05.940 of job creation

00:09:09.560 in a progressive world,

00:09:12.040 I don't know what is.

00:09:13.220 Hey, we can hire more housekeepers.

00:09:15.060 Because every homeless camp

00:09:17.700 is going to now have housekeepers.

00:09:19.220 So, they can't be expected

00:09:20.500 to, you know,

00:09:22.340 clean up their...

00:09:24.120 sleeping bag.

00:09:27.560 We gotta lay that out.

00:09:28.840 Maybe we can leave

00:09:29.380 a little mint on their pillow too.

00:09:30.860 We're creating jobs.

00:09:33.900 We...

00:09:34.420 Okay, so they're pooping

00:09:36.120 all over the street.

00:09:37.060 This is a job creator.

00:09:41.520 It's important.

00:09:45.060 That's why I don't live

00:09:46.240 in California.

00:09:46.940 It's basically Paul Krugman's

00:09:48.060 theory, right?

00:09:48.880 You know, if an alien

00:09:50.080 was threatening the earth,

00:09:51.500 we would increase

00:09:52.160 our economy because

00:09:52.940 we would all go together

00:09:54.120 and go crazy

00:09:54.780 to build up our society.

00:09:57.000 It's the broken windows

00:09:58.040 theory, right?

00:09:58.580 Well, what if we just...

00:09:59.320 No, no, no.

00:09:59.780 No, we just break the windows

00:10:00.840 and then we can have people

00:10:01.640 replace the windows.

00:10:02.440 That's good for the economy.

00:10:03.600 The broken windows thing.

00:10:05.880 That's a conservative idea.

00:10:08.580 Broken windows?

00:10:09.660 Yeah, you see people

00:10:11.020 pick up windows and they...

00:10:12.560 Rocks and they break a window

00:10:13.880 on an empty street.

00:10:15.920 Okay.

00:10:16.760 We're not talking about

00:10:17.580 broken windows anymore.

00:10:18.600 We're talking about people

00:10:19.820 crapping on the street.

00:10:21.420 If we just pick up the crap,

00:10:23.720 maybe they won't crap

00:10:24.960 on the street.

00:10:25.840 We've turned into animals.

00:10:30.400 We are entering a new time

00:10:32.120 and everything has...

00:10:33.560 Everything's being redesigned

00:10:34.720 right now and people

00:10:35.860 aren't really talking

00:10:36.580 about the issues.

00:10:37.940 People aren't really talking

00:10:38.880 about big fundamental things

00:10:40.500 that are changing.

00:10:41.320 For instance,

00:10:42.640 America was based on life,

00:10:44.660 liberty, and the pursuit

00:10:45.500 of happiness.

00:10:46.140 Nobody's talking about

00:10:46.900 pursuit of happiness right now.

00:10:48.180 Pursuit of happiness

00:10:48.920 is defined by our founders

00:10:50.840 as ownership that you could own.

00:10:52.500 You could forge your own way

00:10:54.380 in life.

00:10:56.060 And ownership is a big part

00:10:58.480 of capitalism

00:10:59.260 and a big part of America.

00:11:01.800 However, ownership

00:11:02.840 is quickly going away.

00:11:05.180 When you buy a book on Kindle,

00:11:07.900 do you own the book?

00:11:09.980 When you buy a movie

00:11:11.240 from iTunes,

00:11:12.620 do you own the movie?

00:11:16.960 The answer is no.

00:11:20.360 The end of ownership.

00:11:23.340 Aaron,

00:11:23.920 and I want to get this right,

00:11:25.360 Perez...

00:11:26.120 Say it for me, Aaron.

00:11:28.220 Just ask him.

00:11:28.800 He'll tell us.

00:11:29.000 Just tell me

00:11:29.540 how you say his name.

00:11:31.280 It's Perzanoski.

00:11:32.680 Perzanoski.

00:11:33.200 Okay.

00:11:33.680 It was a lot easier

00:11:34.880 than it looks.

00:11:35.820 We can't pronounce easy words,

00:11:37.060 so that was going to be difficult.

00:11:37.880 Yeah.

00:11:38.120 It's got more than one syllable.

00:11:40.100 There's a lot of consonants there.

00:11:41.600 Yeah, I know.

00:11:42.140 How you doing, Aaron?

00:11:43.760 I'm doing well.

00:11:44.520 How are you?

00:11:44.980 Good.

00:11:45.760 I'm really fascinated

00:11:48.420 by how we make the turns

00:11:50.920 in our society

00:11:52.080 for the future.

00:11:54.160 And ownership

00:11:55.420 is a big part of this

00:11:57.100 because in the future,

00:11:58.320 I don't know how many people

00:11:59.140 will even own cars.

00:12:00.440 I mean,

00:12:00.580 it's just all changing.

00:12:02.960 But do we really own things

00:12:05.720 when we buy them online?

00:12:08.840 So I think there's

00:12:09.780 a real concern here

00:12:11.360 that consumers

00:12:12.380 go into transactions

00:12:14.260 when they're buying things,

00:12:15.740 digital goods,

00:12:16.720 especially digital books,

00:12:18.700 movies, music.

00:12:20.020 They go into those transactions

00:12:21.560 assuming they work

00:12:22.480 the same way

00:12:23.320 as they do

00:12:23.920 in the world

00:12:24.940 of tangible goods

00:12:26.000 where if you buy a book,

00:12:28.060 you can give it away

00:12:28.940 to a friend,

00:12:29.520 you can lend it to someone,

00:12:30.780 you can leave it in your will

00:12:31.960 in the future

00:12:33.420 and leave your book collection

00:12:35.720 to your loved ones.

00:12:38.640 And the rules

00:12:40.080 that control

00:12:41.400 these digital transactions

00:12:42.820 when you buy something

00:12:43.840 on your Kindle

00:12:44.560 or from iTunes

00:12:45.380 are very different

00:12:46.700 from the rules

00:12:47.480 that we expect

00:12:48.200 in the physical world.

00:12:50.160 And consumers

00:12:51.340 don't really understand

00:12:52.580 that distinction.

00:12:54.240 And I think that causes

00:12:55.500 a real disconnect

00:12:56.420 between what we all

00:12:58.100 expect to happen

00:12:59.040 and what happens

00:13:00.440 in fact.

00:13:01.140 So to give you

00:13:01.740 a quick example,

00:13:03.620 just a couple of weeks ago,

00:13:08.380 a consumer,

00:13:10.800 a customer

00:13:11.600 of the Apple iTunes

00:13:13.180 movie store

00:13:14.460 found that three movies

00:13:16.300 that he had purchased

00:13:17.420 had been deleted

00:13:18.960 from his account.

00:13:20.600 They were no longer

00:13:21.340 accessible.

00:13:22.740 And I think that shocked

00:13:23.620 a lot of people.

00:13:24.360 those of us

00:13:25.900 that have been following

00:13:26.500 these issues closely

00:13:27.420 for years

00:13:28.160 would remember

00:13:29.200 10 years ago

00:13:30.200 when Amazon

00:13:30.880 remotely deleted

00:13:32.320 books off of

00:13:33.500 people's Kindles,

00:13:34.700 including,

00:13:36.080 ironically,

00:13:37.500 George Orwell's 1984.

00:13:39.760 So these issues

00:13:40.640 have been happening

00:13:41.240 for a long time,

00:13:42.580 but I think people

00:13:43.180 are now starting

00:13:44.400 to really sit up

00:13:45.900 and take notice of it.

00:13:46.660 Okay, so I remember,

00:13:48.100 because this,

00:13:49.060 it's easier for me

00:13:50.240 to read everything

00:13:50.780 on Kindle,

00:13:51.940 and I have a large

00:13:54.200 collection in my library

00:13:56.200 of hardcover books,

00:13:58.900 and I read so much.

00:14:01.060 I read it all on Kindle,

00:14:02.340 but I have recently

00:14:03.620 really been concerned,

00:14:05.380 not just because

00:14:06.420 I don't actually own it

00:14:07.600 and I can't have it

00:14:08.600 in my library

00:14:09.260 and I can't pass it on,

00:14:10.760 but also because

00:14:11.400 you watch things

00:14:12.140 like it happening

00:14:12.800 in China.

00:14:13.960 If you're in China,

00:14:15.800 I mean,

00:14:16.060 at first they wouldn't

00:14:16.600 sell the book,

00:14:17.260 but if they did sell the book,

00:14:19.040 the government can just

00:14:19.940 deem that that book

00:14:20.760 is you don't need

00:14:21.780 to burn books.

00:14:22.840 You could just overnight

00:14:23.900 just take all of that,

00:14:25.920 every copy of that book

00:14:27.160 out of circulation

00:14:28.080 if it's only digital.

00:14:29.700 That's really disturbing

00:14:31.560 to me.

00:14:33.480 I think it's a real concern.

00:14:35.760 It's a concern

00:14:36.860 from the perspective

00:14:38.940 of censorship

00:14:39.660 as you've just described it.

00:14:41.680 It's also a real concern

00:14:42.880 from the perspective

00:14:44.800 of preservation

00:14:46.160 and sort of archiving

00:14:48.120 our cultural history.

00:14:49.920 If these books

00:14:51.600 are stored

00:14:53.760 on the centralized servers

00:14:55.240 and only the hands

00:14:56.240 of the two

00:14:57.880 or three companies

00:14:58.800 that dominate

00:15:00.640 these markets,

00:15:01.660 then there's

00:15:02.900 a real risk

00:15:03.940 that we aren't

00:15:06.220 going to be able

00:15:07.140 to ensure

00:15:08.380 kind of the widespread

00:15:09.260 distribution

00:15:10.120 of copies

00:15:11.500 that will allow us

00:15:12.740 to archive

00:15:14.740 and preserve

00:15:15.660 these works.

00:15:17.460 And Aaron,

00:15:18.560 with the movie,

00:15:19.560 it wasn't because

00:15:20.660 they found it

00:15:21.620 objectionable

00:15:22.180 or anything else.

00:15:22.780 It's because

00:15:23.540 that particular provider,

00:15:25.440 they lost the rights

00:15:27.220 to that movie,

00:15:28.280 right?

00:15:28.660 And so they

00:15:29.520 had to pull it

00:15:31.120 from people's libraries

00:15:32.300 because their rights

00:15:33.660 had expired.

00:15:34.200 So there are a number

00:15:36.260 of ways that this

00:15:37.060 can happen.

00:15:37.720 This most recent example,

00:15:38.880 I don't know that the facts

00:15:39.800 are totally clear

00:15:40.640 on exactly what went on.

00:15:42.840 So one way this can happen

00:15:44.140 is that,

00:15:44.960 as you described,

00:15:46.340 the deal between

00:15:48.320 the digital retailer,

00:15:50.260 Apple or Amazon,

00:15:51.600 and the copyright holder

00:15:52.720 expires.

00:15:53.660 They no longer have

00:15:54.440 the rights to sell

00:15:55.440 that product.

00:15:56.600 It can also happen

00:15:58.380 when a record label

00:16:00.440 or a movie studio

00:16:01.540 decides that they

00:16:02.440 want to put out

00:16:03.020 the new,

00:16:03.820 updated,

00:16:04.760 remastered,

00:16:05.920 director's cut

00:16:07.020 edition of a movie.

00:16:08.980 And when they do that,

00:16:09.960 they pull the old version

00:16:11.240 to help drive the sale

00:16:12.340 to the new.

00:16:14.300 Oh my gosh.

00:16:15.020 So they almost

00:16:15.580 force you to,

00:16:16.920 I mean,

00:16:17.380 because they've always

00:16:18.440 done this where,

00:16:19.240 you know,

00:16:19.400 it's the masterpiece

00:16:20.040 collection and it's,

00:16:21.400 you know,

00:16:21.880 additional footage

00:16:23.000 and, you know,

00:16:24.100 fully restored,

00:16:24.820 but you still had

00:16:26.220 the old copy.

00:16:27.960 Now,

00:16:28.560 you can't,

00:16:29.620 I mean,

00:16:30.000 even for,

00:16:30.560 I mean,

00:16:30.720 think of this,

00:16:31.720 even just for comparison,

00:16:33.960 you can't,

00:16:34.480 if they change something

00:16:35.460 in a movie,

00:16:35.900 imagine when,

00:16:36.460 remember when George Lucas

00:16:37.440 changed Star Wars.

00:16:39.400 Well,

00:16:39.860 I want to see

00:16:40.520 what it was like

00:16:41.380 when it originally came out.

00:16:43.380 You wouldn't be able

00:16:43.940 to do that,

00:16:44.440 would you?

00:16:44.900 Unless the movie company

00:16:46.120 decided to allow you

00:16:47.580 to do that.

00:16:49.240 That's right.

00:16:49.820 I mean,

00:16:50.000 and the problem

00:16:50.740 in this most recent case

00:16:51.920 in part was that

00:16:52.940 the consumer

00:16:53.540 didn't have

00:16:54.240 a local copy

00:16:55.200 stored on their computer

00:16:57.020 or their device.

00:16:59.540 And this is just

00:17:00.240 a practical tip

00:17:01.080 for people.

00:17:01.560 You should always

00:17:02.140 try to store

00:17:03.060 as much as you can

00:17:04.180 locally.

00:17:05.800 Now,

00:17:05.840 these services

00:17:06.380 are often trying

00:17:07.800 to encourage

00:17:09.560 consumers

00:17:10.560 to rely

00:17:11.400 on their own,

00:17:12.820 on the company's own

00:17:14.000 sort of cloud

00:17:14.680 storage solution.

00:17:16.880 And sometimes

00:17:17.960 with the Apple TV,

00:17:20.400 for example,

00:17:21.720 the Apple TV

00:17:22.420 doesn't allow you

00:17:23.360 to permanently

00:17:24.000 download a copy

00:17:25.400 of a movie.

00:17:26.080 You have to access

00:17:26.820 it through

00:17:27.520 Apple's servers.

00:17:29.940 Exactly.

00:17:31.820 So I think

00:17:32.440 that makes

00:17:32.900 a big difference

00:17:33.680 in your relationship

00:17:34.620 with those goods.

00:17:35.380 If I downloaded

00:17:36.400 something on Kindle,

00:17:38.100 could I download it

00:17:39.400 to another cloud

00:17:41.000 and still be able

00:17:41.820 to read it on Kindle?

00:17:42.840 So the Kindle

00:17:47.200 allows you

00:17:48.080 to store

00:17:49.600 those files

00:17:50.740 locally

00:17:51.480 on your own

00:17:52.600 device.

00:17:54.140 But because

00:17:54.900 the Kindle

00:17:55.740 is tethered

00:17:57.200 through software

00:17:58.400 and network

00:17:59.240 connections

00:17:59.860 to Amazon,

00:18:01.300 Amazon has

00:18:02.080 the ability,

00:18:03.000 as they showed

00:18:03.760 10 years ago,

00:18:04.740 to remove

00:18:05.760 those files

00:18:06.780 from your device.

00:18:07.800 real quick,

00:18:11.180 Apple has

00:18:11.860 the same

00:18:12.300 sort of control.

00:18:13.300 We saw this

00:18:13.880 several years ago

00:18:14.980 in a very different way.

00:18:16.260 I'm sure

00:18:16.720 some of your listeners

00:18:18.460 may remember

00:18:19.080 when they woke up

00:18:19.920 and found a U2 album

00:18:21.260 on their iPhone.

00:18:22.360 Yes.

00:18:23.340 They put it the other way.

00:18:24.640 They forced

00:18:25.340 everybody to have it.

00:18:27.120 Exactly.

00:18:28.540 That's bizarre.

00:18:29.400 You write about this

00:18:30.180 a little bit

00:18:30.500 and it's an interesting

00:18:31.400 change in the way

00:18:33.360 we think about commerce.

00:18:35.440 In the past,

00:18:36.780 you had a transaction

00:18:37.860 where you'd go

00:18:38.440 into a store

00:18:38.940 and you'd buy something.

00:18:40.460 With these digital purchases

00:18:41.740 that we're making

00:18:42.340 from iTunes or Amazon,

00:18:43.980 we're actually

00:18:44.520 entering an ongoing

00:18:46.460 relationship with them.

00:18:49.200 It's sort of

00:18:49.980 an open-ended thing

00:18:51.220 where they're constantly

00:18:52.120 knowing what you do

00:18:53.360 with that product

00:18:54.120 and you have

00:18:55.320 that ongoing relationship

00:18:56.900 where they can cancel

00:18:58.180 that at any time

00:18:59.340 without your knowledge.

00:19:00.080 Can you talk a little bit

00:19:00.960 about the change there?

00:19:02.480 Because that's a real change

00:19:03.680 that I don't think

00:19:04.020 people have considered.

00:19:05.200 And Aaron,

00:19:05.580 before you answer that,

00:19:06.260 we're going to take

00:19:06.660 a quick break

00:19:07.120 and then we'll come back

00:19:07.760 and get you to answer

00:19:08.480 that question.

00:19:09.860 And just the change

00:19:11.280 in capitalism.

00:19:13.320 Change.

00:19:14.040 What does it mean

00:19:14.980 to enter a world

00:19:16.440 where there's really

00:19:18.420 no ownership

00:19:19.040 of anything?

00:19:21.840 The best

00:19:22.800 of the Glenn Beck program.

00:19:24.360 Talking to Aaron Paranofsky,

00:19:25.920 he is a professor of law

00:19:29.720 and also you can find him

00:19:32.600 at theendofownership.com.

00:19:34.940 Aaron, you're right

00:19:35.440 that the switch

00:19:36.580 to the digital platform

00:19:37.580 offers convenience

00:19:38.340 but also makes consumer

00:19:39.480 access more contingent.

00:19:40.920 Unlike a purchase

00:19:41.540 at a bookstore,

00:19:42.560 a digital media transaction

00:19:43.720 is continuous,

00:19:44.820 linking buyer and seller

00:19:45.820 and giving the seller

00:19:47.080 a post-transaction power

00:19:48.500 impossible in physical markets.

00:19:50.340 Why is that important?

00:19:51.100 So I think this is important

00:19:53.780 for a number of reasons.

00:19:56.740 It leads to these scenarios

00:19:58.480 that we were talking

00:19:59.380 about earlier

00:20:00.120 where the seller

00:20:01.420 of the good

00:20:02.360 has the ability

00:20:03.780 not only to sort of reclaim

00:20:06.380 or recall the good

00:20:08.820 but they also have

00:20:09.780 some ability

00:20:10.380 to control

00:20:11.160 how and when

00:20:12.880 and under what circumstances

00:20:14.140 you make use

00:20:15.200 of that product

00:20:16.220 after the sale.

00:20:17.900 That's just not something

00:20:19.020 that you could do

00:20:20.020 in the tangible world, right?

00:20:22.040 Your local bookstore,

00:20:23.840 put aside the publisher,

00:20:25.060 your local bookstore

00:20:25.920 can't tell you

00:20:27.000 what country

00:20:28.060 you're allowed

00:20:28.700 to read a book in.

00:20:30.080 They can't tell you

00:20:31.160 how many times

00:20:33.540 you get to read it.

00:20:34.520 They can't tell you

00:20:35.260 who you get to

00:20:36.280 lend that book to.

00:20:37.920 They certainly can't

00:20:38.660 keep records

00:20:39.340 of all of those interactions.

00:20:41.860 And the digital world

00:20:42.720 allows for

00:20:43.800 that form of control.

00:20:47.260 And importantly,

00:20:48.900 it's not limited

00:20:49.740 just to digital media.

00:20:52.780 We have all these

00:20:53.560 smart devices

00:20:54.360 in our homes,

00:20:56.220 on our bodies.

00:20:58.300 You know,

00:20:58.540 we've got our

00:20:59.240 voice assistants

00:21:00.420 and our fitness trackers

00:21:03.360 and, you know,

00:21:04.300 even our home appliances

00:21:05.740 and cars.

00:21:06.960 They all have software.

00:21:09.140 They all have

00:21:09.780 network connections.

00:21:11.100 And all of these

00:21:11.840 sort of problems

00:21:13.160 that I've been describing

00:21:14.500 are going to play out

00:21:15.860 in that space as well

00:21:17.740 where device makers

00:21:19.960 are not only going

00:21:21.320 to be able to

00:21:22.420 track your behavior,

00:21:23.680 but they're also going

00:21:24.460 to be able to limit

00:21:25.380 the ways in which

00:21:26.240 you can use the products

00:21:28.080 that you think

00:21:29.400 you have purchased

00:21:31.060 and that you own.

00:21:32.240 So let me interrupt here

00:21:33.940 and just ask you this.

00:21:35.160 I see,

00:21:35.720 when I go to iTunes,

00:21:36.720 I see a movie

00:21:37.920 I want to watch.

00:21:38.700 It says,

00:21:39.580 rent or own.

00:21:42.180 I'm not owning it.

00:21:43.600 I'm just renting it

00:21:44.720 in a different way.

00:21:46.740 Isn't this false advertising?

00:21:49.540 So I think there's

00:21:50.540 a really good case

00:21:51.320 to be made here

00:21:52.180 that companies

00:21:52.760 like Amazon and Apple

00:21:54.420 that use language

00:21:56.500 like own and buy,

00:21:58.980 words that have

00:21:59.740 real meaning

00:22:00.380 for people

00:22:01.220 in their everyday lives

00:22:02.380 are misstating

00:22:04.260 the nature

00:22:05.320 of those transactions.

00:22:06.940 So my co-author

00:22:09.840 Chris Hufnagel

00:22:10.900 and I wrote

00:22:11.600 a paper

00:22:12.560 a few years ago,

00:22:13.760 a couple years ago now,

00:22:14.900 called

00:22:15.520 What We Buy

00:22:16.300 When We Buy Now

00:22:17.340 that did a survey

00:22:19.100 of about 1,500 consumers

00:22:21.380 to figure out

00:22:22.720 what people think

00:22:23.760 this language means.

00:22:25.340 And it turns out

00:22:26.300 that a significant

00:22:27.960 percentage

00:22:28.760 of consumers

00:22:29.800 incorrectly believe

00:22:32.340 that they do have

00:22:34.460 true ownership rights.

00:22:35.900 and they get to keep

00:22:36.620 these goods

00:22:37.140 that they can lend

00:22:37.880 to them,

00:22:38.240 that they can give

00:22:38.780 them away.

00:22:40.220 And we think

00:22:41.540 that there is

00:22:42.360 an opportunity here

00:22:43.600 to correct

00:22:45.280 this misinformation

00:22:46.180 in the marketplace.

00:22:47.700 But think about

00:22:48.580 the companies

00:22:49.060 that we're talking about.

00:22:50.080 You know,

00:22:50.220 Apple and Amazon

00:22:51.000 are two of the biggest

00:22:52.660 corporations

00:22:53.380 the world has ever seen.

00:22:54.940 and getting them

00:22:57.060 to

00:22:57.780 convincing them

00:23:01.800 to

00:23:02.540 communicate

00:23:03.720 in a more

00:23:04.760 clear and fair way

00:23:06.140 is a real challenge.

00:23:08.680 Class action lawsuit?

00:23:12.080 So I think there is

00:23:13.880 a possibility

00:23:14.820 for class action

00:23:16.400 litigation here.

00:23:17.580 There are a bunch

00:23:18.320 of

00:23:19.220 legal

00:23:20.460 and practical

00:23:21.760 hurdles

00:23:22.440 to making that happen.

00:23:23.880 I think it's

00:23:24.280 something worth

00:23:24.840 pursuing.

00:23:25.840 I think the Federal

00:23:26.540 Trade Commission

00:23:27.280 has a role

00:23:28.600 to play here.

00:23:29.920 This is

00:23:30.900 squarely

00:23:31.880 within their

00:23:33.160 within their

00:23:36.400 area

00:23:36.760 of

00:23:37.400 expertise

00:23:38.320 and obligation

00:23:39.720 to police

00:23:40.840 the market

00:23:41.300 to make sure

00:23:41.920 that consumers

00:23:43.080 have accurate

00:23:43.780 information.

00:23:44.780 Aaron,

00:23:45.040 go ahead.

00:23:46.360 Yeah.

00:23:47.040 I just want,

00:23:48.060 go ahead.

00:23:48.420 the way

00:23:50.080 the market

00:23:50.520 works

00:23:51.000 depends

00:23:51.600 on

00:23:52.060 consumers

00:23:52.580 being

00:23:52.960 informed.

00:23:54.100 People

00:23:54.320 can't

00:23:54.760 make

00:23:55.020 rational

00:23:55.460 choices.

00:23:56.180 People

00:23:56.360 can't

00:23:57.120 decide

00:23:57.540 where

00:23:57.820 to

00:23:58.000 spend

00:23:58.240 their

00:23:58.460 money

00:23:58.740 if

00:23:59.040 they're

00:23:59.200 being

00:23:59.420 misled

00:23:59.960 about

00:24:00.200 the

00:24:00.380 products

00:24:00.760 that

00:24:00.940 they're

00:24:01.060 getting.

00:24:01.660 So I

00:24:01.880 think

00:24:02.000 it's

00:24:02.320 crucial

00:24:02.660 for the

00:24:03.400 functioning

00:24:03.780 of the

00:24:04.100 market

00:24:04.380 to

00:24:05.320 have

00:24:05.860 that

00:24:06.060 information

00:24:06.520 be

00:24:06.840 correct.

00:24:07.480 Have

00:24:07.580 you

00:24:07.760 done

00:24:08.140 any

00:24:08.660 look

00:24:09.600 into

00:24:10.320 what

00:24:11.320 a

00:24:12.200 society

00:24:13.080 without

00:24:13.880 real

00:24:14.560 ownership?

00:24:15.100 I mean,

00:24:15.280 we're down

00:24:15.620 to,

00:24:15.920 you know,

00:24:16.120 renting

00:24:16.360 clothes

00:24:16.880 and everything

00:24:17.300 else.

00:24:17.620 And that's

00:24:18.860 only going

00:24:19.160 to get

00:24:19.360 stronger

00:24:19.820 as we

00:24:20.980 move

00:24:21.220 forward.

00:24:21.880 Have

00:24:22.040 you

00:24:22.160 looked

00:24:22.380 into

00:24:22.600 what

00:24:22.820 that

00:24:23.020 means

00:24:23.540 for

00:24:23.840 a

00:24:24.080 capitalist

00:24:24.460 society

00:24:25.260 and

00:24:25.740 for

00:24:26.160 America

00:24:26.560 in

00:24:26.740 particular

00:24:27.180 that

00:24:28.060 has

00:24:28.360 always

00:24:28.800 been

00:24:29.020 about

00:24:29.240 ownership?

00:24:31.400 So my

00:24:32.420 biggest

00:24:33.000 concern

00:24:33.920 here

00:24:34.620 is

00:24:35.720 the way

00:24:37.340 this

00:24:37.560 changes

00:24:38.160 kind of

00:24:38.880 our

00:24:39.180 conception

00:24:39.720 of

00:24:40.320 ourselves

00:24:40.800 and the

00:24:41.160 way we

00:24:41.480 think

00:24:41.820 about

00:24:42.260 ourselves

00:24:42.780 as

00:24:43.680 individuals

00:24:44.800 in a

00:24:45.180 society.

00:24:45.860 Okay,

00:24:46.080 so stop

00:24:46.620 there for

00:24:47.000 a second.

00:24:47.200 If I

00:24:47.440 can hold

00:24:47.760 you

00:24:47.840 for

00:24:47.980 just a

00:24:48.300 couple

00:24:48.480 more

00:24:48.680 minutes

00:24:48.900 after

00:24:49.100 the

00:24:49.260 break,

00:24:49.600 I'd like

00:24:50.340 you to

00:24:50.600 finish

00:24:51.000 that

00:24:51.560 thought

00:24:52.260 because I

00:24:53.800 think this

00:24:54.460 is important.

00:24:55.620 The world

00:24:56.040 is being

00:24:56.460 redesigned

00:24:57.180 and it's

00:24:58.120 being

00:24:58.300 redesigned

00:24:58.760 without any

00:24:59.300 of us

00:24:59.620 really

00:24:59.960 understanding

00:25:00.640 it.

00:25:01.000 And we

00:25:01.200 should go

00:25:01.600 open

00:25:02.820 open

00:25:02.840 We are

00:25:05.020 a country

00:25:05.360 that is

00:25:05.840 founded

00:25:07.220 on

00:25:07.920 basic

00:25:08.960 individual

00:25:09.920 rights

00:25:11.020 and

00:25:11.460 some of

00:25:12.360 those rights

00:25:12.700 are property

00:25:13.120 rights.

00:25:13.900 You have a

00:25:14.400 right to

00:25:14.760 own things,

00:25:15.480 right to

00:25:15.760 ownership.

00:25:16.580 Possession is

00:25:17.300 nine-tenths of

00:25:18.120 the law.

00:25:18.540 Well,

00:25:18.800 not in the

00:25:19.720 future.

00:25:20.120 In fact,

00:25:20.520 in many

00:25:20.860 cases,

00:25:21.280 not even

00:25:21.820 now.

00:25:22.920 You buy

00:25:23.400 things

00:25:23.780 online.

00:25:25.360 Sometimes

00:25:25.840 you're not

00:25:26.480 actually buying

00:25:27.280 them.

00:25:27.740 You're just

00:25:28.280 renting them.

00:25:28.860 You're

00:25:29.060 entering

00:25:29.360 an

00:25:29.620 ongoing

00:25:30.120 relationship.

00:25:31.560 What does

00:25:31.980 this mean

00:25:32.720 for

00:25:33.360 society?

00:25:35.420 How is

00:25:35.900 this going

00:25:36.260 to change

00:25:36.880 us?

00:25:37.420 Will it

00:25:37.820 even

00:25:38.200 change the

00:25:39.260 way we

00:25:39.620 view

00:25:39.960 things

00:25:40.560 and

00:25:41.080 change

00:25:41.740 some

00:25:41.960 fundamental

00:25:42.660 concepts

00:25:44.060 of what

00:25:44.920 it means

00:25:45.460 here in

00:25:46.240 America

00:25:46.720 of

00:25:47.220 individual

00:25:47.760 rights?

00:25:48.300 We have

00:25:49.080 Aaron

00:25:49.400 Paraznowski

00:25:50.660 on with

00:25:51.280 us,

00:25:51.520 professor

00:25:51.840 of law

00:25:52.400 and the

00:25:53.640 author of

00:25:54.140 the book

00:25:54.500 What We

00:25:55.260 Buy When

00:25:56.120 We Buy

00:25:56.700 Now.

00:25:57.700 You can

00:25:58.100 find more

00:25:58.560 information

00:25:58.940 at

00:25:59.120 the

00:25:59.240 end

00:25:59.440 of

00:25:59.560 ownership

00:25:59.840 dot

00:26:00.140 com.

00:26:00.940 Aaron,

00:26:01.680 tell me

00:26:02.220 how you've

00:26:02.700 been looking

00:26:03.080 at this.

00:26:03.840 I think

00:26:04.180 in the

00:26:04.580 short term

00:26:05.420 what we're

00:26:05.820 likely to

00:26:06.380 see are

00:26:06.800 more

00:26:07.160 changes

00:26:07.720 in the

00:26:08.500 way our

00:26:09.300 commercial

00:26:09.880 interactions

00:26:10.880 occur.

00:26:12.340 In the

00:26:12.720 way that

00:26:13.820 commercial

00:26:14.560 transactions

00:26:15.280 are structured

00:26:16.000 we're going

00:26:17.180 to start

00:26:17.460 to see

00:26:17.820 people become

00:26:18.520 more and

00:26:18.940 more accustomed

00:26:19.600 to paying

00:26:21.040 for temporary

00:26:21.740 access to

00:26:23.060 resources

00:26:23.700 rather than

00:26:24.660 owning them.

00:26:26.000 In some

00:26:26.360 ways I think

00:26:27.380 that makes

00:26:27.840 some degree

00:26:28.620 of sense.

00:26:29.100 There are

00:26:29.280 some people

00:26:29.720 for whom

00:26:30.260 owning a

00:26:31.100 car isn't

00:26:31.560 necessary.

00:26:32.320 They'd rather

00:26:32.760 be able to

00:26:33.480 take a

00:26:33.940 lift or

00:26:34.360 use some

00:26:34.740 sort of

00:26:35.000 car share

00:26:35.420 application.

00:26:36.800 I think

00:26:37.120 that makes

00:26:38.180 a lot of

00:26:38.500 sense.

00:26:39.220 What I'm

00:26:39.540 worried about

00:26:40.100 is the

00:26:40.620 long-term

00:26:41.640 set of

00:26:43.200 implications

00:26:43.800 for a

00:26:45.440 shift away

00:26:46.080 from

00:26:46.340 ownership

00:26:46.840 and towards

00:26:48.400 temporary

00:26:49.260 access,

00:26:50.560 a shift

00:26:50.900 away from

00:26:51.500 independent

00:26:52.160 control of

00:26:53.600 resources to

00:26:54.520 one where we

00:26:55.220 have to

00:26:55.600 rely on

00:26:56.340 permission

00:26:56.900 or the

00:26:59.460 goodwill

00:27:00.860 of the

00:27:01.960 companies

00:27:02.600 that control

00:27:03.440 access to

00:27:04.880 these goods.

00:27:06.100 May I give

00:27:07.100 you an

00:27:07.500 example and

00:27:08.120 see if I'm

00:27:08.660 on the

00:27:08.860 right track?

00:27:09.560 I buy a

00:27:10.520 car and

00:27:11.480 I love

00:27:11.880 this car and

00:27:12.880 I want to

00:27:13.260 keep it and

00:27:13.740 it's a

00:27:14.040 classic car but

00:27:15.340 I don't own

00:27:16.640 the software

00:27:17.320 that runs

00:27:18.160 the car and

00:27:19.000 if at any

00:27:19.500 time the

00:27:20.320 software company

00:27:21.260 says,

00:27:22.320 no,

00:27:22.480 we're not

00:27:23.860 going to

00:27:24.060 support that

00:27:24.760 or we

00:27:25.140 want to

00:27:25.640 discontinue

00:27:26.380 or whatever,

00:27:27.980 I have a

00:27:29.600 heap of

00:27:29.940 junk.

00:27:30.300 I can't do

00:27:30.760 anything with

00:27:31.220 it because I

00:27:32.100 don't own

00:27:32.760 the software

00:27:33.360 that runs

00:27:34.160 it.

00:27:35.040 I think the

00:27:36.060 car is a

00:27:36.500 great example.

00:27:37.740 We see this

00:27:38.640 issue come up

00:27:39.300 in the motor

00:27:39.740 vehicle context.

00:27:41.720 The way it's

00:27:42.280 come up most

00:27:44.700 recently and

00:27:45.820 most often is

00:27:46.560 actually not

00:27:47.140 with cars but

00:27:48.060 with tractors.

00:27:49.660 John Deere,

00:27:51.560 the long-running

00:27:53.760 American

00:27:54.400 farm equipment

00:27:55.060 company,

00:27:56.000 makes exactly

00:27:56.660 this argument

00:27:57.220 that they

00:27:57.780 own the

00:27:58.380 software in

00:27:59.560 the tractors

00:28:00.420 that they

00:28:00.980 sell to

00:28:01.520 American

00:28:01.920 farmers.

00:28:03.160 That means

00:28:03.840 that farmers

00:28:04.360 can only get

00:28:04.980 their tractors

00:28:05.580 repaired by

00:28:06.820 authorized

00:28:07.500 John Deere

00:28:08.300 dealers.

00:28:10.460 They can't

00:28:10.920 do it

00:28:11.160 themselves.

00:28:12.160 They can't

00:28:12.480 go to their

00:28:12.840 local mom

00:28:13.660 and pop

00:28:14.140 farm repair

00:28:16.300 shop.

00:28:17.500 I think

00:28:18.180 those kinds

00:28:18.800 of changes

00:28:19.320 are really

00:28:20.700 troubling

00:28:21.080 because they

00:28:22.660 go to this

00:28:23.280 sense of

00:28:24.260 independence and

00:28:25.220 this sense

00:28:25.760 of autonomy

00:28:26.700 that we're

00:28:27.200 all independent

00:28:28.640 actors in the

00:28:29.420 world who can

00:28:30.300 make our own

00:28:30.840 decisions, who

00:28:32.040 can decide

00:28:32.560 what's best

00:28:33.140 for us.

00:28:34.200 Do we want

00:28:34.700 to keep

00:28:35.340 this tractor

00:28:35.860 as it is?

00:28:36.460 Do we want

00:28:36.780 to modify

00:28:37.260 it?

00:28:37.600 Do we want

00:28:37.940 to repair

00:28:38.360 it?

00:28:39.460 Those decisions

00:28:40.400 are being taken

00:28:41.040 away from

00:28:41.680 individual consumers

00:28:42.740 and you're being

00:28:43.820 forced to play

00:28:44.580 by a set of

00:28:45.220 rules dictated

00:28:46.540 by the companies

00:28:47.420 who quote

00:28:48.500 unquote sell

00:28:49.300 you these

00:28:50.120 products.

00:28:50.620 And doesn't

00:28:51.060 that also

00:28:51.600 stop innovation?

00:28:54.220 I mean,

00:28:54.780 sometimes the

00:28:55.940 guy who takes

00:28:56.620 something and

00:28:57.140 then tinkers

00:28:57.700 with it comes

00:28:58.880 up with a

00:28:59.360 better system.

00:29:00.100 But if I'm

00:29:00.680 locked out of

00:29:02.760 tinkering on

00:29:04.380 my own

00:29:05.040 property, it

00:29:06.800 almost creates

00:29:08.600 this feeling of

00:29:10.580 oh well, that's

00:29:11.440 just the way it

00:29:12.000 is and that's

00:29:12.520 the way it

00:29:12.820 always is going

00:29:13.360 to be.

00:29:13.600 It just runs

00:29:14.120 that way.

00:29:14.840 And it stops

00:29:15.740 innovation,

00:29:16.360 doesn't it?

00:29:17.680 I think it

00:29:18.720 has the real

00:29:19.380 risk of doing

00:29:20.020 that.

00:29:20.400 It discourages

00:29:21.520 people from

00:29:22.780 being creative.

00:29:24.000 It discourages

00:29:24.640 people from

00:29:25.740 from, as you

00:29:27.220 say, tinkering

00:29:27.840 with the things

00:29:28.680 that they own.

00:29:29.440 We have a lot

00:29:30.200 of incredible

00:29:31.540 innovations that

00:29:32.380 have been made

00:29:33.080 over the centuries

00:29:34.240 in this country

00:29:35.020 that didn't come

00:29:36.520 from giant

00:29:37.320 corporate R&D

00:29:38.520 departments.

00:29:39.260 They came from

00:29:39.780 individuals messing

00:29:41.340 around with things

00:29:42.080 that they own

00:29:42.580 in their garage.

00:29:43.860 And there is a

00:29:44.580 risk that we're

00:29:45.120 foreclosing those

00:29:46.000 kinds of

00:29:46.440 opportunities.

00:29:47.760 But even

00:29:48.420 even more

00:29:48.980 broadly than

00:29:49.600 that, if

00:29:51.340 we're discouraged

00:29:52.300 from thinking

00:29:52.960 of ourselves

00:29:53.620 as independent

00:29:54.580 actors in the

00:29:55.480 world, you

00:29:56.720 know, I worry

00:29:57.180 that that creates

00:29:57.760 a sort of

00:29:58.300 complacency in

00:30:00.000 in our in our

00:30:01.500 population, in

00:30:02.180 our country.

00:30:03.580 And, you

00:30:04.160 know, not not

00:30:04.820 to zoom out to

00:30:05.860 too wide of a

00:30:06.600 level here, but

00:30:07.200 for a democracy

00:30:07.960 to function, people

00:30:09.440 have to feel and

00:30:10.840 they have to be

00:30:11.760 in charge of

00:30:13.400 their own lives.

00:30:14.360 They have to be

00:30:15.140 invested in

00:30:16.480 making informed

00:30:17.320 decisions.

00:30:19.180 And I worry

00:30:20.220 that that, you

00:30:21.800 know, this this

00:30:22.340 lack of control

00:30:23.540 over the

00:30:25.340 everyday decisions

00:30:26.380 might play into

00:30:28.000 a much broader

00:30:29.200 set of problems

00:30:30.040 when it comes to

00:30:30.640 people feeling like

00:30:31.540 active participants

00:30:32.700 in society and

00:30:33.680 democracy.

00:30:34.680 I couldn't agree

00:30:35.960 with you.

00:30:36.780 I couldn't agree

00:30:37.700 with you more.

00:30:38.380 I I just don't

00:30:40.440 think this is the

00:30:40.980 way society is

00:30:41.980 thinking anymore.

00:30:42.940 Everything is

00:30:43.900 about the

00:30:44.320 collective and

00:30:45.760 very little is

00:30:46.580 about the

00:30:46.960 individual.

00:30:47.700 So let me ask

00:30:48.380 you one more

00:30:48.720 question and I'll

00:30:49.380 let you go.

00:30:49.760 I know you've

00:30:50.140 spent twice the

00:30:51.120 amount of time

00:30:51.560 here that you

00:30:52.060 probably planned

00:30:52.920 on.

00:30:53.640 But let me ask

00:30:54.420 you one more

00:30:54.840 question.

00:30:55.620 I am really

00:30:56.300 concerned about

00:30:57.620 copyrights,

00:30:58.880 patents,

00:30:59.540 trademarks.

00:31:00.340 We seem to be

00:31:01.260 entering a world

00:31:02.460 where people

00:31:03.780 don't take

00:31:04.680 somebody's

00:31:05.460 intellectual

00:31:06.020 property

00:31:06.680 seriously on

00:31:08.140 the on the

00:31:08.840 other side of

00:31:09.680 this.

00:31:10.620 They just feel

00:31:12.080 that, well, I

00:31:12.940 can download it.

00:31:13.780 I can just

00:31:14.420 take it and

00:31:16.080 it we shouldn't

00:31:16.820 have intellectual

00:31:17.600 property rights

00:31:18.700 that that is

00:31:20.220 frightening because

00:31:21.140 again, that was

00:31:22.600 the second piece

00:31:24.020 of the American

00:31:25.080 experiment was

00:31:26.180 you have a

00:31:27.660 right to that

00:31:28.340 intellectual property

00:31:29.240 for a period of

00:31:30.100 time so you can

00:31:31.140 make money on it,

00:31:32.140 which encourages

00:31:33.180 other people to

00:31:34.400 come up with

00:31:34.920 their own ideas.

00:31:37.480 Do you see this

00:31:38.500 fading and is

00:31:40.300 this trouble on

00:31:41.000 the horizon as

00:31:41.600 well?

00:31:43.240 So I write and

00:31:45.080 teach about

00:31:45.540 intellectual property

00:31:46.420 and it's something

00:31:46.980 that I take very

00:31:48.760 seriously and one

00:31:49.600 of the things that

00:31:50.140 I always try to

00:31:51.440 communicate to my

00:31:52.660 students is that

00:31:54.600 intellectual property

00:31:55.560 system functions

00:31:57.200 best when there is

00:31:58.700 a balance between

00:32:00.600 the interests of

00:32:01.820 the public and the

00:32:03.200 interests of

00:32:04.160 creators and the

00:32:06.240 history of

00:32:07.200 intellectual property

00:32:08.100 copyright in

00:32:08.820 particular is a

00:32:10.000 history of a

00:32:10.640 struggle to find

00:32:12.340 and maintain that

00:32:13.860 appropriate balance.

00:32:16.320 And I think we're

00:32:17.720 going through and

00:32:18.840 have been going

00:32:19.520 through kind of

00:32:20.200 since the last

00:32:21.660 adoption of the

00:32:22.920 internet, a period

00:32:24.380 where we're

00:32:24.980 struggling with how

00:32:26.060 to answer some of

00:32:27.340 those questions.

00:32:28.580 There are

00:32:29.580 certainly areas in

00:32:31.200 which copyright

00:32:33.120 holders have

00:32:34.280 legitimate concerns

00:32:35.760 about their works

00:32:38.100 being exploited

00:32:39.280 without compensation.

00:32:41.640 And on the other

00:32:42.220 hand, we live in a

00:32:43.620 culture in which

00:32:45.180 copyrighted works

00:32:47.840 are sort of

00:32:49.540 increasingly being

00:32:52.380 distributed within

00:32:53.780 these environments

00:32:55.000 like Apple and

00:32:56.680 Amazon, for

00:32:57.300 example, where

00:32:58.240 consumers can't

00:32:59.080 do the things

00:32:59.740 that they think

00:33:00.460 they're entitled

00:33:01.380 or should be

00:33:02.020 entitled to do

00:33:02.660 with them.

00:33:03.680 So I think

00:33:04.060 part of the

00:33:05.340 solution here is

00:33:06.540 providing consumers

00:33:08.440 a strong

00:33:09.560 incentive to

00:33:11.140 pay for these

00:33:12.180 works.

00:33:13.420 That's one of the

00:33:14.180 things that

00:33:14.580 streaming services

00:33:15.460 I think have

00:33:16.240 gotten right,

00:33:18.060 which is that

00:33:19.020 they offer a

00:33:20.060 really attractive

00:33:20.760 deal to consumers

00:33:21.880 so people learn

00:33:22.980 that if they're

00:33:23.800 going to access

00:33:24.580 the world's

00:33:25.400 library of music,

00:33:26.680 they have to

00:33:27.120 pay for the

00:33:28.380 privilege of

00:33:29.440 doing that.

00:33:30.240 Figuring out how

00:33:30.840 that money gets

00:33:31.440 distributed and

00:33:32.800 what the right

00:33:33.280 price point is,

00:33:33.980 I think, is one

00:33:34.980 of the sticking

00:33:35.460 points.

00:33:35.820 So it's an

00:33:36.780 important set of

00:33:37.520 questions and

00:33:38.600 one that I

00:33:39.300 probably can't do

00:33:40.300 justice to.

00:33:42.280 You know, with a

00:33:43.080 couple of minutes.

00:33:44.480 Exactly.

00:33:45.320 All right.

00:33:45.680 Aaron, thank you

00:33:46.340 so much.

00:33:46.700 I appreciate it and

00:33:47.540 I appreciate your

00:33:48.940 thoughtfulness on

00:33:50.340 this and we'll

00:33:52.000 keep watching for

00:33:53.220 updates.

00:33:54.320 Thank you so much.

00:33:55.220 Aaron Paranowski,

00:33:55.840 I appreciate it.

00:33:56.520 You bet.

00:33:56.880 He is found at

00:33:58.640 the website

00:33:59.360 theendofownership.com.

00:34:01.680 I had him on for

00:34:02.560 a couple of

00:34:03.000 reasons.

00:34:03.560 One, you have

00:34:05.120 to know the

00:34:05.660 books that you

00:34:06.200 buy, the videos

00:34:07.380 that you buy,

00:34:08.060 everything that you

00:34:08.480 buy, it says

00:34:09.480 rent or buy.

00:34:10.680 When you buy,

00:34:11.500 you're not really

00:34:12.360 buying it.

00:34:13.040 You don't own

00:34:14.020 it.

00:34:15.260 And in a world

00:34:16.780 where opinions

00:34:21.700 opinions and

00:34:22.660 thoughts and

00:34:23.440 ideas are

00:34:24.620 under siege.

00:34:26.220 You don't have

00:34:26.940 to burn books

00:34:27.620 anymore.

00:34:28.540 All you have to

00:34:29.120 do is get one

00:34:30.360 of the providers

00:34:31.180 or a couple of

00:34:32.000 the providers

00:34:32.540 just to delete

00:34:34.020 them from

00:34:34.540 everyone's library

00:34:35.540 and they are

00:34:36.500 gone forever.

00:34:38.260 think about that

00:34:41.560 next time you

00:34:43.560 want to download

00:34:44.140 something.

00:34:45.240 What are the

00:34:45.800 books you want

00:34:46.160 to download and

00:34:47.260 what are the

00:34:47.620 books you want

00:34:48.140 to own?

00:34:50.660 By the way, so

00:34:51.440 you know, I

00:34:52.000 don't get any

00:34:52.520 more money if I

00:34:53.620 sell a book or I

00:34:54.660 sell a digital

00:34:55.320 download.

00:34:55.820 It's not about

00:34:56.540 that at all.

00:34:57.260 So it is about

00:34:59.200 preserving

00:35:00.020 information.

00:35:03.180 I'm thrilled to

00:35:04.100 have Malcolm

00:35:04.560 Gladwell on with

00:35:05.440 us.

00:35:05.640 I'm a big fan of

00:35:06.440 his.

00:35:06.740 His writing also

00:35:08.020 revisionist history

00:35:09.400 is fantastic.

00:35:11.060 I think I started

00:35:11.920 listening to the

00:35:12.580 last season on a

00:35:14.380 Friday.

00:35:15.120 I consumed

00:35:15.660 everything was

00:35:16.080 like, you know,

00:35:16.720 hey, the kids are

00:35:17.680 throwing up.

00:35:18.300 They're sick.

00:35:18.820 They're on fire.

00:35:19.400 And I'm like,

00:35:19.800 shut up.

00:35:20.280 I'm listening to

00:35:20.980 Malcolm.

00:35:22.180 It's unbelievable.

00:35:24.240 His latest

00:35:25.280 season,

00:35:27.260 season on

00:35:27.960 revisionist

00:35:28.520 history, you

00:35:29.720 don't really

00:35:30.100 know until

00:35:30.800 kind of, you

00:35:31.700 know, towards

00:35:32.780 the end of it

00:35:33.400 that, oh,

00:35:34.140 wow, this is

00:35:35.540 all about

00:35:36.380 memory.

00:35:37.040 And I've

00:35:37.800 learned that

00:35:39.080 everything I

00:35:39.620 thought about

00:35:40.080 memory is

00:35:40.660 probably wrong.

00:35:42.000 I'd like to

00:35:42.760 tell you what

00:35:43.260 it was, but I

00:35:44.300 don't trust my

00:35:44.960 memory anymore.

00:35:45.900 So Malcolm

00:35:46.340 Gladwell is

00:35:47.040 here.

00:35:47.440 Hello, Malcolm.

00:35:47.960 How are you?

00:35:49.140 Hey, Glenn.

00:35:50.100 I'm doing very

00:35:50.700 well.

00:35:51.100 I thank you for

00:35:52.340 your podcast.

00:35:52.920 There's just so

00:35:53.400 great.

00:35:54.340 Oh, thank

00:35:55.040 you.

00:35:55.200 That's very kind

00:35:55.860 of you.

00:35:56.340 I wanted to

00:35:57.240 I've been

00:35:57.480 thinking about

00:35:58.020 you a lot

00:35:58.560 lately because

00:35:59.380 of the

00:36:00.360 Kavanaugh

00:36:00.680 hearings and

00:36:01.440 everything else.

00:36:02.200 And I don't

00:36:02.520 want to get

00:36:02.860 into the

00:36:03.140 Kavanaugh

00:36:03.500 hearings.

00:36:04.200 What I do

00:36:05.100 want to talk

00:36:05.720 about is our

00:36:07.360 memory and how

00:36:09.500 it can be

00:36:10.500 changed,

00:36:11.620 manipulated, how

00:36:12.840 it's natural for

00:36:14.320 these things to

00:36:15.120 happen.

00:36:15.460 I mean, you

00:36:17.100 explained the

00:36:18.420 Brian Williams

00:36:20.260 story in in

00:36:21.880 such a

00:36:23.520 different way

00:36:24.620 because you

00:36:25.080 didn't condemn

00:36:26.080 him and you

00:36:27.500 didn't exonerate

00:36:28.400 him.

00:36:28.780 You just said,

00:36:29.920 let's look at the

00:36:30.760 facts on memory.

00:36:32.300 Yeah.

00:36:32.960 Can you take us

00:36:33.540 through it?

00:36:35.220 Yeah.

00:36:35.500 The memory is

00:36:36.640 something that in

00:36:37.520 the last generation

00:36:38.420 psychologists have

00:36:40.400 spent an enormous

00:36:41.280 and neurologists have

00:36:42.640 spent an enormous

00:36:43.380 time, amount

00:36:46.040 of work and

00:36:46.720 effort trying to

00:36:47.180 understand how

00:36:48.340 it works.

00:36:49.560 And the more we

00:36:50.560 learn about memory,

00:36:51.460 the more we realize

00:36:52.200 how fallible it is.

00:36:54.260 And when we

00:36:56.040 systematically go

00:36:57.000 back and we

00:36:57.980 test our memories,

00:36:59.340 we find they

00:36:59.840 don't do very

00:37:00.460 well.

00:37:01.660 So there's a

00:37:02.280 famous set of

00:37:02.800 studies that are

00:37:03.720 called flashbulb

00:37:04.340 studies where a

00:37:05.780 famous event

00:37:06.280 happens, 9-11,

00:37:08.560 the Challenger

00:37:09.540 explosion.

00:37:10.960 And you go to a

00:37:12.000 large group of

00:37:12.480 people, the

00:37:12.880 incident happens and

00:37:13.840 you say, tell me

00:37:15.500 everything you were

00:37:16.380 doing, thinking on

00:37:18.760 the moment when you

00:37:19.540 heard that news.

00:37:20.200 Where were you?

00:37:20.960 Who did you talk to

00:37:21.680 first?

00:37:22.020 How did you feel?

00:37:23.500 You know, what

00:37:23.900 happened that day?

00:37:24.960 And then they go

00:37:25.640 back to the same

00:37:26.600 group of people a

00:37:27.960 year later, five

00:37:28.780 years later, ten

00:37:29.520 years later, and

00:37:30.100 they ask them the

00:37:30.620 same set of

00:37:31.100 questions and they

00:37:32.480 compare their

00:37:33.180 answers.

00:37:34.420 And lo and

00:37:34.780 behold, what you

00:37:35.320 discover is that

00:37:36.340 not everyone, but

00:37:37.920 many of the

00:37:38.880 people substantially

00:37:40.340 alter their

00:37:41.860 memories of the

00:37:42.740 event without

00:37:43.920 realizing it.

00:37:45.000 In other words,

00:37:45.320 they are, the

00:37:46.140 first time they'll

00:37:46.760 say, when I heard,

00:37:48.020 when I saw the

00:37:48.680 towers fall, I was

00:37:50.380 standing in the

00:37:51.160 streets of Manhattan

00:37:51.940 with my best friend

00:37:53.240 Jim, tears streaming

00:37:54.320 down my face.

00:37:55.620 And then ten years

00:37:57.080 later, they'll say,

00:37:58.200 when I first heard the

00:37:59.420 towers fall, I was

00:38:00.420 watching it on

00:38:01.060 television in my

00:38:02.440 dorm room, and I

00:38:03.880 ran out, you know,

00:38:05.180 and then I ran and

00:38:05.840 called my friend Jim,

00:38:06.880 who was in Boston.

00:38:08.640 And they're as

00:38:09.660 convinced ten years

00:38:11.320 later that's what

00:38:12.140 their memory was as

00:38:13.020 they were the first

00:38:14.680 time they relented

00:38:16.700 their memories on the

00:38:17.820 day of 9-11.

00:38:20.380 And so that kind of

00:38:21.420 stuff, my point in

00:38:22.780 doing the Brian

00:38:23.180 Williams thing was,

00:38:25.400 when you understand

00:38:26.280 how fallible memory

00:38:27.160 is, you are a lot

00:38:28.040 more forgiving of

00:38:29.620 what he did.

00:38:30.140 He did something

00:38:30.700 which it turns out a

00:38:32.580 lot of us do all the

00:38:33.300 time, which is we

00:38:34.960 make what's called a

00:38:36.100 time slice error.

00:38:37.640 We confuse the

00:38:38.980 timeline in our

00:38:40.140 minds, and we

00:38:41.600 think we're one

00:38:43.080 place when something

00:38:43.920 happens, and we're

00:38:44.920 in another place.

00:38:46.000 Or some, we've heard

00:38:46.880 a story, been told

00:38:48.080 so many times, that

00:38:50.000 we slowly incorporate

00:38:51.480 ourselves into the

00:38:52.480 story without realizing

00:38:53.320 that we're doing it.

00:38:54.720 And my point was that

00:38:56.160 these are not sins of

00:38:57.460 character.

00:38:59.080 These are just facts

00:39:00.940 of human memory.

00:39:02.820 And we so often want

00:39:04.540 to make someone's

00:39:05.680 faulty memory into a

00:39:06.720 test of their

00:39:07.420 character, and I

00:39:09.620 think that's a

00:39:10.060 mistake.

00:39:10.480 You know, there are

00:39:12.260 people who deliberately

00:39:13.060 lie, absolutely, but a

00:39:14.780 lot of what we think

00:39:15.620 might be deliberate

00:39:16.360 lying is just a

00:39:18.580 manifestation of the

00:39:20.260 frailty of human

00:39:22.220 memory.

00:39:22.760 When you were talking

00:39:23.760 about the 9-11 study,

00:39:25.960 there were people who

00:39:27.620 came back ten years

00:39:29.760 later.

00:39:30.900 They wrote out, you

00:39:34.120 know, within a few

00:39:34.840 days, if I'm not

00:39:35.800 mistaken, was it a few

00:39:36.760 days, or was it a

00:39:37.540 year after 9-11?

00:39:39.460 The original writing,

00:39:40.500 well, the original

00:39:40.960 time, they went to the

00:39:42.040 next day.

00:39:42.660 Okay, so the next

00:39:43.800 day, they asked them

00:39:45.560 to write out exactly

00:39:46.660 where they were, what

00:39:47.540 happened.

00:39:48.020 Ten years later, some

00:39:49.760 of them said, I don't

00:39:51.600 know why I even wrote

00:39:52.900 that.

00:39:53.120 This is a lie.

00:39:53.960 This is not what

00:39:54.540 happened.

00:39:55.100 I don't know why I was

00:39:56.360 lying then.

00:39:57.500 And they were

00:39:58.140 convinced, somehow or

00:39:59.960 another, they made

00:40:00.920 something up that was

00:40:02.720 different than what they

00:40:03.800 knew to be true now.

00:40:06.260 Yeah.

00:40:06.880 People, one of the

00:40:08.740 most important things

00:40:09.840 that memory researchers

00:40:11.020 will tell you is you

00:40:12.480 cannot confuse confidence

00:40:14.240 with accuracy.

00:40:15.760 In other words, the fact

00:40:17.200 that I am absolutely

00:40:18.960 certain that what

00:40:20.760 happened happened is not

00:40:23.620 a reliable guide to its

00:40:25.160 accuracy.

00:40:25.560 accuracy.

00:40:27.400 So you can't, so I am

00:40:30.080 convinced I met my friend

00:40:31.360 Bruce on the first day.

00:40:32.700 That should, that does

00:40:33.540 not mean it's more likely

00:40:34.700 to be true than if I

00:40:35.640 said, you know, if I, if

00:40:38.180 I expressed it with more

00:40:39.200 doubt.

00:40:40.740 So I think what it, a lot

00:40:42.500 of what this, the lesson

00:40:43.380 of all this is, is that we

00:40:44.980 just need to approach our

00:40:47.380 memories and not just our

00:40:49.560 memories, our entire lives

00:40:50.780 with a lot more humility.

00:40:52.060 Um, you can't, we're

00:40:55.740 not, our, our brains are

00:40:57.220 not Superman.

00:40:59.180 They don't, they're not,

00:41:00.520 we don't have a video

00:41:01.140 recorder up there taking

00:41:02.960 down everything perfectly,

00:41:04.020 you know, and we need to,

00:41:05.940 when I say I remember

00:41:07.880 something one way, I need

00:41:09.280 to be, I need to check it.

00:41:11.160 I need to talk to others.

00:41:12.180 I need to be open to the

00:41:13.440 possibility I might be wrong.

00:41:14.900 I need to, that's why we

00:41:16.560 have legal systems and

00:41:18.580 investigators and right to,

00:41:20.520 to compensate for the fact

00:41:22.280 that our memories are not

00:41:24.000 what we would like them to

00:41:25.460 be.

00:41:26.660 Everyone outside, let's take

00:41:28.940 it outside of this political

00:41:29.980 nightmare.

00:41:31.320 This Me Too movement, I

00:41:32.560 think has been very good.

00:41:33.900 On whole, it's been very

00:41:35.080 good.

00:41:36.160 I am concerned about the, um,

00:41:40.460 the women need to be

00:41:42.660 believed.

00:41:43.300 I don't care if it's a man

00:41:44.200 or a woman.

00:41:45.360 No, they need to be heard

00:41:47.020 and taken seriously.

00:41:48.520 But we can't just believe

00:41:51.840 what someone says for a

00:41:54.840 myriad of reasons.

00:41:55.740 Uh, and I, I fear it's

00:41:58.300 dangerous, this road that

00:41:59.920 we're going down because we

00:42:02.180 need more than just your

00:42:04.320 word and your memory because

00:42:06.700 you, you might believe that's

00:42:09.000 true, but it might not be.

00:42:11.460 Yeah.

00:42:12.360 Well, so it's funny.

00:42:13.700 Um, this is exactly the point

00:42:15.940 that Ronan Farrell, you

00:42:17.100 know, the, the, the

00:42:18.900 journalist who has been

00:42:19.900 responsible, more so than

00:42:21.540 anyone else for breaking

00:42:22.740 these Me Too stories.

00:42:23.840 I went to see him give a, a, a

00:42:26.600 public interview and he was,

00:42:28.340 he was interviewing, um, the

00:42:30.820 actress who was the source.

00:42:32.360 I've forgotten her name, of

00:42:33.220 course, because my memory is

00:42:34.060 very faulty.

00:42:35.060 The source of many of the Me Too

00:42:37.000 allegations.

00:42:37.940 And they were talking about

00:42:39.020 this very point.

00:42:39.720 And he very explicitly said,

00:42:42.560 my job as a journalist is not

00:42:44.760 to believe the women.

00:42:46.860 It is to listen to them and

00:42:49.180 then try and corroborate through

00:42:51.120 careful reporting those aspects

00:42:53.460 of their story that are,

00:42:55.520 corroborate their stories through

00:42:57.220 careful reporting.

00:42:57.920 And if I can't corroborate them,

00:43:00.200 then I can't write the story,

00:43:02.800 right?

00:43:03.100 My job as a reporter is to

00:43:04.880 compensate for the frailty of

00:43:06.300 human memory.

00:43:06.840 And that is, that is a

00:43:08.620 beautiful, um, uh, way of

00:43:11.040 expressing what the

00:43:11.920 responsibility of media

00:43:14.500 investigators is in these

00:43:16.400 cases is, okay, someone has

00:43:18.900 gone, clearly believed they've

00:43:20.340 gone through something very

00:43:21.320 traumatic.

00:43:22.420 Let's systematically try and

00:43:24.960 figure out, uh, uh, did it

00:43:27.300 happen that way?

00:43:28.120 And if it didn't happen that

00:43:29.420 way, let us not then judge the

00:43:31.920 person and say they're a liar,

00:43:33.260 right?

00:43:35.120 That's the crucial part.

00:43:36.840 When it's like, it is, we, we

00:43:39.120 can't lose our humanity over

00:43:40.840 this.

00:43:41.700 We have to say, we have to say,

00:43:43.920 if we do an investigation and

00:43:45.520 it's not the way that person

00:43:46.620 says, we have to very

00:43:47.740 respectfully say, um, you have,

00:43:51.060 you like all of us have a memory

00:43:53.260 that is imperfect.

00:43:56.740 That would be wonderful if we

00:43:59.340 lived in that world.

00:44:00.400 But, uh, Malcolm, I am, I'm so

00:44:03.380 concerned that, and you've said

00:44:05.320 it now twice, and it is, it's

00:44:08.480 what made me successful in the

00:44:10.480 first place.

00:44:11.260 And I am so glad that I have

00:44:13.860 discovered how dangerous it is.

00:44:17.400 Certitude.

00:44:18.740 Um, we are a population that is

00:44:21.480 certain about everything and it's

00:44:25.200 good to have a core set of

00:44:26.900 beliefs and principles, but you

00:44:28.780 must be open to hear new

00:44:31.580 information and on other

00:44:34.080 information that doesn't give

00:44:36.080 you, uh, uh, uh, what is it?

00:44:40.060 Cognitive dissidence is good.

00:44:42.140 It's good.

00:44:43.400 That's a sign that something in

00:44:45.560 you isn't, isn't quite right.

00:44:48.000 Don't shout your way through

00:44:49.400 it.

00:44:49.720 Stop back, step back and go,

00:44:51.840 okay, which one of these two

00:44:53.980 don't fit with the principle I

00:44:55.860 believe?

00:44:56.300 Do I need to change the principle

00:44:58.840 or do I need to throw out that,

00:45:01.500 that information that I'm, that

00:45:03.180 I'm now acting on?

00:45:04.440 Right.

00:45:05.120 Yeah.

00:45:05.680 But that's scary.

00:45:06.460 People don't want to do that.

00:45:08.480 Yeah.

00:45:09.240 I thought, you know, it's funny.

00:45:10.420 I had a conversation last night

00:45:11.860 with a friend of mine who was a

00:45:13.260 Mormon and who was talking about

00:45:14.720 the tradition in the, um, among

00:45:16.660 Mormons of keeping journals,

00:45:18.160 which I had not known about.

00:45:20.640 Um, and she had years and years

00:45:22.300 and years of journals.

00:45:23.120 And she was talking about what

00:45:25.080 that means for when you have a

00:45:27.680 contemporaneous account of, of

00:45:31.300 your life, your feelings, your

00:45:32.960 actions, your interpretations of

00:45:35.320 what you've done.

00:45:36.160 You can go back and it obviously

00:45:39.240 serves a function far greater than

00:45:40.700 simply checking your memory.

00:45:42.020 Yeah.

00:45:42.240 But it's a way of keeping yourself

00:45:43.720 honest.

00:45:44.320 And what I loved about that was

00:45:46.720 that, that notion of, if we live

00:45:49.420 in such a kind of difficult and

00:45:51.320 flawed world, then we have to take

00:45:53.460 responsibility for our own stories.

00:45:57.220 And that to me, what is what the, um,

00:46:00.360 what, what that tradition of keeping

00:46:02.220 a journal is about.

00:46:03.240 It says as a human being, you have a

00:46:05.720 responsibility to yourself and to

00:46:07.800 others to, to understand the road that

00:46:10.900 you have taken, right.

00:46:12.440 And write it down so that when you,

00:46:15.420 20 years later, you can look back and

00:46:16.840 you say, I, I, I had forgotten.

00:46:19.500 I did this then, you know, maybe I

00:46:21.220 regret it now, or maybe I've learned

00:46:22.420 from it, but that, that to me, I just

00:46:25.300 thought that was lovely.

00:46:26.120 I really did.

00:46:26.840 I thought that was a, as an example of

00:46:29.420 a kind of, uh, uh, a practice.

00:46:32.840 Um, and you, or, you know, obviously

00:46:35.760 know much more about this than I do,

00:46:37.140 but the, the idea that that is part of

00:46:39.480 what it means to be a righteous actor

00:46:41.940 in the world is to take your history

00:46:44.660 seriously.

00:46:46.740 Have you heard from Brian Williams

00:46:48.220 since your podcast?

00:46:51.040 No, I have.

00:46:52.840 I sure I will.

00:46:53.680 One day I will run into him and I

00:46:56.600 mean, he, he can, he can't be, he

00:46:59.640 can't publicly say that's true.

00:47:01.300 That's great.

00:47:01.700 But, you know, poor man, I, I think

00:47:03.580 he was like, part of him, I'm sure

00:47:05.200 it was like, I can't believe he's

00:47:06.220 bringing this up again.

00:47:09.780 Malcolm, thank you so much for being

00:47:11.140 on the program.

00:47:12.120 Uh, really appreciate it.

00:47:13.640 You bet.

00:47:14.020 Malcolm Gladwell, uh, you can follow

00:47:15.920 him on Twitter at Gladwell.

00:47:17.140 And, uh, also if you have not heard

00:47:18.800 this podcast, it is so relevant for

00:47:22.260 what we're going through right now.

00:47:24.720 Uh, it, and especially listen to, uh,

00:47:27.460 wish I would have asked him about

00:47:28.400 the German, uh, the spies.

00:47:30.720 Oh my gosh, that's a great story.

00:47:33.000 Um, but listen to the one, it's a

00:47:35.180 two-part about the German spies.

00:47:36.720 Listen, just even start with the,

00:47:38.540 the Brian Williams and you will see,

00:47:41.360 wait a minute, wait a minute, wait

00:47:42.440 a minute.

00:47:43.380 No, do not believe people on their

00:47:46.560 memory alone.

00:47:47.780 Take them seriously.

00:47:49.640 Season three, episode three and four

00:47:51.100 are the two that you're talking

00:47:52.040 about.

00:47:52.440 It really is.

00:47:53.300 And the Brian Williams thing was

00:47:54.240 incredible because it, I 100% just

00:47:57.020 thought he was just trying to lie to

00:47:58.340 make himself look better.

00:47:59.300 And when you look at like the way

00:48:00.840 he did it and all the details around

00:48:03.360 it, it will at least make you uneasy

00:48:05.120 about that conclusion.

00:48:06.100 He will, he, you know what I always

00:48:07.980 say, do something this week that

00:48:09.660 makes you uncomfortable.

00:48:11.340 Listen to this because it will, if

00:48:13.040 especially if you think that Brian

00:48:14.500 Williams, absolutely, he's just a

00:48:15.940 pig, listen to this because it will

00:48:18.160 challenge you.

00:48:18.880 And you, if you're honest with

00:48:20.240 yourself, we'll go, well, wait a

00:48:22.120 minute, I'm not quite sure.

00:48:24.760 And if you're really honest, you'll

00:48:26.140 go, see, I wonder how much of that

00:48:27.800 has happened with me.

00:48:31.100 You know, over our time that we have

00:48:32.900 spent together, we have seen a lot of

00:48:35.820 crazy stuff.

00:48:37.920 Star relationship for many people

00:48:39.720 started on 9-12, 9-11.

00:48:43.320 Some people heard that news with my

00:48:47.500 voice at the end of the day.

00:48:49.280 But if you, if I were national, you

00:48:53.720 might have heard the warning about

00:48:55.320 Osama bin Laden in, I think it was

00:48:57.120 1999 or 1997, where I said, this guy's

00:49:02.880 coming in New York on WABC.

00:49:06.920 And if you don't pay attention now, there

00:49:08.960 will be blood, body, and buildings in

00:49:11.020 the streets of Manhattan within 10

00:49:13.380 years.

00:49:14.280 It happened.

00:49:16.020 Came to you about 2006 and said, don't

00:49:18.700 buy into any of this housing stuff.

00:49:20.700 Don't do it.

00:49:21.420 Don't do it.

00:49:22.480 There's a massive bubble, which then I

00:49:24.940 started to see was actually a banking

00:49:27.500 crisis was on the way.

00:49:29.260 Everyone denied it.

00:49:30.620 2008 happened.

00:49:32.780 But if you were listening, you actually

00:49:36.040 saved your money.

00:49:39.120 I've come to you with problems, but I've

00:49:41.900 tried to come to you with solutions.

00:49:43.980 Best-selling book I ever wrote was

00:49:45.860 Common Sense.

00:49:47.060 And I'll never forget, I wrote a lot

00:49:49.420 of that on vacation.

00:49:51.520 I wrote the most important chapters

00:49:57.340 while I was on vacation.

00:49:58.620 And I remember it was late at night and

00:50:00.040 I called my family into the living room

00:50:01.720 and I said, I want to read something to

00:50:03.500 you because I think this is, I think this

00:50:06.340 is right.

00:50:06.920 But I also don't know if I'm willing to

00:50:08.460 publish it under my name because it's, I

00:50:11.620 don't know if people are going to want to

00:50:12.980 hear this and I think it's trouble.

00:50:15.440 And I was calling out both parties and I

00:50:18.480 was calling out the games that were

00:50:19.900 played in Washington and the trouble that

00:50:23.640 we were headed for.

00:50:25.480 You went out and bought it in droves.

00:50:28.260 Two million copies later, people knew what

00:50:32.040 was going on.

00:50:33.180 We started the Tea Party and the 9-12

00:50:37.580 project and played a big part in that

00:50:40.460 with you.

00:50:41.720 We followed you on a lot of that.

00:50:45.060 And then 2010 happened and then 2012 we

00:50:48.980 saw that the Tea Party had been just

00:50:50.700 dismantled and we had been lied to by our

00:50:54.200 own party and I started to get discouraged.

00:50:56.580 I left Fox and decided because people

00:50:59.800 were asking me, so now what?

00:51:01.100 And I didn't have an answer.

00:51:02.260 I decided to break it down to smaller

00:51:03.800 problems and we, we printed conform about

00:51:09.860 education and common core and, and what

00:51:12.720 the problem was in universities long before

00:51:14.980 anybody else.

00:51:16.620 Gun control in the book control.

00:51:19.860 When the caliphate came, something that I

00:51:22.020 warned you about and everybody mocked, I

00:51:24.700 wrote, it is about Islam.

00:51:26.580 To prepare you.

00:51:28.740 With the Nazarene Fund, I couldn't solve

00:51:31.840 a war.

00:51:32.380 I just still didn't have any answers.

00:51:33.920 I don't know, but I know these people

00:51:35.980 are in trouble and I don't know how to do

00:51:37.520 it, but together we can figure it out.

00:51:41.020 $30 million later and tens of thousands,

00:51:46.020 tens of thousands of Christians moved and

00:51:49.460 saved and rescued from slavery.

00:51:52.520 16,000 Christians and religious minorities

00:51:55.900 hopefully will be moved out of this region

00:51:59.160 before Christmas because of you.

00:52:03.140 But people continue to ask me, how do we

00:52:04.860 save, how do we save the country?

00:52:06.460 How do we save the Constitution?

00:52:08.040 And I didn't have an answer.

00:52:09.960 And it bothered me.

00:52:11.520 And I felt pretty, I felt pretty worthless

00:52:15.660 because I was like, what am I bringing to you?

00:52:17.400 I don't know what I'm even to say to you.

00:52:19.140 How do we fix this?

00:52:20.080 I don't know.

00:52:20.460 It's bigger than the country.

00:52:21.580 Now it's the Western way of life.

00:52:24.460 After four years of searching,

00:52:27.300 after two years of really intense study,

00:52:30.780 after a year of writing and then taking the book

00:52:34.840 and rewriting it entirely again,

00:52:37.720 I can proudly come to you and say,

00:52:41.260 I know what the problem is.

00:52:43.960 And I have a way to win.

00:52:46.620 Where we all win.

00:52:48.840 Where half the country doesn't lose.

00:52:51.480 We, there is something happening right now.

00:52:54.280 And I can diagnose and point right directly

00:52:57.100 to the cancer that's eating us.

00:52:59.200 And I can point you right directly to the solutions.

00:53:04.840 You want a way out?

00:53:06.260 You want to understand what's happening

00:53:07.980 and you want a way out?

00:53:09.680 I invite you to join me

00:53:11.600 on the path that I'm laying out now

00:53:15.360 in Addicted to Outrage.

00:53:16.760 We're also going out, traveling the country.

00:53:19.120 Find out about that tour at glennbeck.com

00:53:21.180 and order your book.

00:53:24.340 If you've, if you've trusted me before

00:53:27.360 to say this direction

00:53:30.900 and you've noticed that I have been wrong

00:53:34.680 when I was frustrated and angry

00:53:38.020 and, and I wasn't listening.

00:53:40.600 I am not frustrated.

00:53:41.940 I'm not angry.

00:53:42.560 And I have been listening

00:53:43.720 for the last couple of years

00:53:45.540 more than I have talked.

00:53:47.020 And I talk a lot.

00:53:48.960 Join me.

00:53:50.100 Join me on the search

00:53:51.440 to save the Western way of life.

00:53:54.240 Addicted to Outrage is where we begin.

00:53:56.680 This is the best of Glenn Beck.

00:54:03.180 America is at a crossroads.

00:54:07.940 We have to decide.

00:54:11.940 Or it will be decided for us.

00:54:14.540 My father taught me

00:54:19.860 when I was very young

00:54:21.420 the most powerful words

00:54:23.380 in any language

00:54:24.580 are these.

00:54:27.800 I am.

00:54:31.100 And the reason why they're so powerful

00:54:33.440 is because whatever it is

00:54:35.660 that you say after that,

00:54:37.900 you begin to believe

00:54:40.020 and you create.

00:54:42.460 And the reason why they're so powerful

00:54:44.540 what is America saying

00:54:48.660 it is right now?

00:54:52.880 We are being told

00:54:54.880 over and over again

00:54:56.120 we are worthless.

00:54:58.240 The Western way of life

00:55:00.040 is worthless.

00:55:02.120 That America is not good

00:55:04.340 never has been.

00:55:06.340 In fact, it's a force for bad.

00:55:08.240 And unless we actively

00:55:12.540 replace those things

00:55:14.440 in our heads

00:55:15.460 and the heads

00:55:16.960 of those around us

00:55:18.500 we will be worthless

00:55:20.520 and we will be a force

00:55:22.900 for bad.

00:55:27.640 We are arguing about

00:55:29.300 some of the dumbest things

00:55:30.580 I've ever seen.

00:55:31.440 And we are missing

00:55:34.120 what's really going on.

00:55:36.380 The world is being redesigned

00:55:38.500 right now.

00:55:39.900 And so many of us

00:55:41.240 are worried about the future.

00:55:43.460 Today, we'll see

00:55:44.700 in the New York Times

00:55:45.700 and elsewhere

00:55:46.280 that the world

00:55:47.320 only has 10 years

00:55:48.900 and you have to be

00:55:50.440 a hero

00:55:51.200 in the next 10 years

00:55:52.620 if you don't stop

00:55:54.360 global warming.

00:55:55.420 why we are all

00:55:58.760 going to die.

00:56:01.320 So you must

00:56:02.520 be a hero today

00:56:03.820 and you have

00:56:05.440 to take action.

00:56:08.000 The question is

00:56:09.380 what does that action

00:56:11.480 look like?

00:56:15.060 Do any of the things

00:56:16.440 that the environmentalists

00:56:18.440 are actually proposing

00:56:20.540 do they help or hurt?

00:56:21.800 What the world

00:56:26.240 looks like in 2030

00:56:27.720 depends on how

00:56:29.160 we answer

00:56:29.980 questions

00:56:31.160 that we're supposedly

00:56:32.600 arguing about

00:56:33.940 right now.

00:56:36.240 We can

00:56:37.360 try to avoid it.

00:56:39.160 We cannot listen.

00:56:40.260 We cannot pay attention.

00:56:42.820 But

00:56:43.420 as Bonhoeffer said

00:56:45.300 not to speak

00:56:47.180 is to speak.

00:56:48.140 Not to stand

00:56:48.960 is to stand.

00:56:50.040 No answer

00:56:52.560 will count

00:56:54.620 as our

00:56:55.540 answer.

00:56:58.960 Will we all

00:57:00.360 be remembered

00:57:01.000 as winter

00:57:02.300 soldiers

00:57:02.900 and complicit

00:57:05.800 with what

00:57:08.580 I believe

00:57:09.120 will be remembered

00:57:09.980 as the greatest

00:57:10.980 failure

00:57:12.180 and crime

00:57:14.820 in humanity's

00:57:16.760 history.

00:57:17.120 just

00:57:19.140 standing

00:57:19.800 by

00:57:20.260 waving

00:57:21.700 your finger

00:57:22.440 or waving

00:57:23.160 the flag

00:57:23.900 as the

00:57:24.760 western world

00:57:25.560 burns.

00:57:33.200 I do not

00:57:34.260 want to be part

00:57:35.060 of the problem

00:57:35.980 in America

00:57:36.840 and I fail

00:57:39.940 on that all

00:57:40.520 the time.

00:57:41.160 We all do.

00:57:41.760 but what

00:57:47.460 counts

00:57:47.980 is the

00:57:50.180 effort.

00:57:51.700 What counts

00:57:52.320 is are you

00:57:54.980 trying?

00:57:56.380 Are you

00:57:56.780 trying?

00:57:58.040 And are you

00:57:58.800 better today

00:57:59.540 than you were

00:58:00.140 yesterday?

00:58:01.900 Have you

00:58:02.600 found any

00:58:03.560 answers

00:58:04.080 or are you

00:58:05.400 only shouting

00:58:06.380 things down?

00:58:07.540 are you

00:58:09.460 just out

00:58:10.000 in the

00:58:10.380 street

00:58:10.960 directing

00:58:12.260 traffic?

00:58:14.380 Because you

00:58:15.280 feel it's

00:58:15.860 your right.

00:58:17.160 Well,

00:58:17.840 have you

00:58:18.380 even looked

00:58:19.060 at what

00:58:19.440 your rights

00:58:20.100 mean?

00:58:21.640 Where do

00:58:22.520 your rights

00:58:23.220 even come

00:58:24.040 from?

00:58:25.920 Today,

00:58:26.820 I saw

00:58:27.160 Think

00:58:27.460 Progress

00:58:28.060 write a

00:58:28.980 whole article

00:58:29.480 about how

00:58:29.980 the Constitution

00:58:30.780 has failed.

00:58:32.640 That was the

00:58:33.380 headline.

00:58:34.060 The Constitution

00:58:34.900 has failed.

00:58:36.400 and then

00:58:39.060 it goes

00:58:40.220 on to

00:58:40.600 explain how

00:58:41.460 it is

00:58:41.780 really a

00:58:42.380 slavery

00:58:42.740 document

00:58:43.380 and the

00:58:44.980 three-fifths

00:58:45.700 in the

00:58:46.160 Constitution.

00:58:47.280 All lies.

00:58:48.420 All lies.

00:58:52.660 Now,

00:58:53.380 you can

00:58:53.640 argue that

00:58:54.500 or we

00:58:56.440 can begin

00:58:56.860 to teach

00:58:57.320 our

00:58:57.500 children.

00:58:59.160 You can

00:58:59.960 argue that

00:59:00.860 and you

00:59:02.660 can throw

00:59:03.180 it back

00:59:03.680 in their

00:59:04.080 face with

00:59:04.760 some sort

00:59:05.620 of epithet

00:59:07.180 or

00:59:07.500 name

00:59:10.860 calling

00:59:11.340 of some

00:59:11.920 sort.

00:59:18.780 Here's the

00:59:19.500 question that

00:59:19.920 we all

00:59:20.180 have to

00:59:20.520 answer.

00:59:21.680 Is

00:59:22.260 America

00:59:22.860 a force

00:59:24.720 for good

00:59:25.500 or a

00:59:26.940 force

00:59:27.300 for bad?

00:59:29.680 That

00:59:30.320 requires

00:59:30.980 real thought

00:59:32.460 and discussion

00:59:33.480 because it

00:59:35.300 is neither

00:59:36.040 in my

00:59:36.620 opinion.

00:59:37.620 It is

00:59:38.240 both.

00:59:39.520 It has

00:59:40.380 been a

00:59:41.040 force for

00:59:41.560 bad and

00:59:42.500 I warn

00:59:43.120 you,

00:59:44.020 if we

00:59:45.060 leave the

00:59:45.840 Bill of

00:59:46.200 Rights,

00:59:47.140 we will

00:59:47.880 become

00:59:48.520 the darkest

00:59:50.300 force ever

00:59:51.800 on earth.

00:59:53.280 With our

00:59:54.280 technology,

00:59:55.620 we will

00:59:56.540 make the

00:59:57.300 Nazis look

00:59:58.320 like rookies.

00:59:59.300 make no

01:00:00.820 mistake.

01:00:03.440 We have

01:00:04.440 been bad.

01:00:05.940 We have

01:00:06.660 rounded up

01:00:07.100 the Japanese.

01:00:09.640 We've

01:00:10.240 rounded up

01:00:10.620 the Germans

01:00:11.060 and the

01:00:11.400 Italians.

01:00:13.640 We rounded

01:00:14.540 up the

01:00:14.880 blacks.

01:00:17.440 We told

01:00:18.280 people they

01:00:18.740 couldn't

01:00:19.080 vote,

01:00:20.860 including

01:00:21.920 women.

01:00:23.680 But we

01:00:24.440 are also

01:00:24.980 the people

01:00:25.540 that freed

01:00:27.420 people.

01:00:28.840 We freed

01:00:29.780 blacks and

01:00:30.740 we fought

01:00:31.420 for it.

01:00:32.560 We fought

01:00:33.160 and died.

01:00:39.520 We fought

01:00:40.680 to free

01:00:41.480 the Japanese.

01:00:45.760 We fought

01:00:46.760 to free

01:00:47.280 the Germans

01:00:48.280 and all

01:00:48.960 of Europe

01:00:49.360 and the

01:00:49.760 world.

01:00:50.880 We fought

01:00:51.840 to free

01:00:52.720 Russia

01:00:54.420 from the

01:00:56.080 tyranny

01:00:56.540 of

01:00:56.820 communism.

01:00:59.980 And we

01:01:00.860 failed in

01:01:02.060 the time

01:01:02.480 of peace.

01:01:06.440 Are we

01:01:07.380 good or

01:01:08.620 are we

01:01:09.020 bad?

01:01:10.020 Is the

01:01:10.520 Declaration

01:01:10.960 of Independence

01:01:12.040 still a

01:01:13.420 viable

01:01:13.880 mission

01:01:14.500 statement?

01:01:15.200 Because that's

01:01:15.680 all that is.

01:01:16.840 The Declaration

01:01:17.560 of Independence

01:01:18.160 is a mission

01:01:18.860 statement,

01:01:19.480 period.

01:01:19.800 Do we

01:01:22.560 still hold

01:01:23.760 these truths

01:01:24.740 to be

01:01:25.160 self-evident?

01:01:26.120 Forget about

01:01:27.040 the past.

01:01:28.400 Let's talk

01:01:29.060 about the

01:01:29.500 future.

01:01:31.080 We have

01:01:31.540 never,

01:01:32.480 ever

01:01:33.220 reached the

01:01:34.560 heights

01:01:35.080 demanded

01:01:36.180 by our

01:01:36.940 mission

01:01:37.260 statement.

01:01:39.740 But have

01:01:40.720 we gotten

01:01:41.040 better?

01:01:42.700 Is it

01:01:43.300 still worth

01:01:44.140 striving for?

01:01:46.000 We hold

01:01:46.620 these truths

01:01:47.380 to be

01:01:47.740 self-evident

01:01:48.320 that all

01:01:49.160 men are

01:01:49.900 created

01:01:50.540 equal.

01:01:51.060 That means

01:01:51.700 we're

01:01:52.280 born

01:01:52.880 equal.

01:01:53.800 We all

01:01:54.420 have an

01:01:54.740 equal

01:01:54.980 chance.

01:01:56.740 Don't

01:01:57.300 judge

01:01:57.600 somebody by

01:01:58.140 the color

01:01:58.760 of their

01:01:59.140 skin,

01:01:59.500 but by

01:01:59.740 the content

01:02:00.280 of their

01:02:00.640 character.

01:02:02.980 Do you

01:02:03.420 have,

01:02:04.140 do you

01:02:04.860 have

01:02:05.000 everything

01:02:05.580 the baby

01:02:06.420 laying

01:02:07.280 next to

01:02:08.040 you has

01:02:08.620 when you're

01:02:09.220 born?

01:02:12.240 As far

01:02:13.040 as human

01:02:13.820 rights and

01:02:14.640 dignity,

01:02:16.200 do you

01:02:18.080 still believe

01:02:18.680 that?

01:02:20.040 And I'm

01:02:20.840 not talking

01:02:21.460 about,

01:02:22.060 well,

01:02:22.420 that's not

01:02:22.900 the way.

01:02:23.340 I'm asking

01:02:24.040 you as an

01:02:24.820 aspirational

01:02:25.780 mission statement.

01:02:27.080 That is the

01:02:27.920 mission statement

01:02:28.720 of our

01:02:29.280 country.

01:02:30.460 Do you

01:02:31.380 want to

01:02:31.980 live in a

01:02:32.920 country that

01:02:34.120 strives and

01:02:35.820 falls short,

01:02:37.120 but picks

01:02:37.800 itself back up

01:02:38.860 again?

01:02:39.940 Do you want

01:02:40.660 to live in a

01:02:41.400 country that

01:02:42.080 says all

01:02:43.200 men are

01:02:43.900 created equal

01:02:44.820 and they are

01:02:46.120 endowed by

01:02:46.960 their creator?

01:02:47.720 Why would

01:02:48.700 you have to

01:02:49.080 throw God

01:02:49.620 into it?

01:02:50.540 I don't

01:02:51.180 care what

01:02:51.700 you put

01:02:52.200 there.

01:02:53.380 It just

01:02:54.160 must be

01:02:55.000 bigger than

01:02:55.720 man.

01:02:57.580 The reason

01:02:58.700 why the

01:02:59.280 creator is

01:03:00.120 important is

01:03:02.060 if you don't

01:03:02.680 have something

01:03:03.340 bigger than

01:03:03.940 man,

01:03:05.120 then man

01:03:06.300 will print

01:03:07.740 and take

01:03:08.700 away

01:03:09.200 rights.

01:03:10.200 So if

01:03:12.280 you want

01:03:12.560 to see

01:03:12.900 the moon,

01:03:14.900 the

01:03:16.000 eternities,

01:03:17.440 the great

01:03:18.840 cosmos,

01:03:20.120 whatever,

01:03:21.580 but it

01:03:25.180 endows

01:03:26.000 each of

01:03:26.700 us with

01:03:27.200 certain

01:03:27.780 unchangeable

01:03:29.740 rights,

01:03:30.460 and those

01:03:30.980 rights are

01:03:31.560 life,

01:03:32.400 liberty,

01:03:32.780 and the

01:03:32.960 pursuit of

01:03:33.440 happiness.

01:03:34.120 Now there's

01:03:34.540 a lot more,

01:03:35.980 and that's

01:03:36.840 where the

01:03:37.120 bill of

01:03:37.480 rights comes

01:03:38.080 in.

01:03:38.400 Do we

01:03:39.320 still

01:03:39.860 believe in

01:03:40.960 this?

01:03:42.860 As an

01:03:43.720 aspirational

01:03:44.620 statement,

01:03:45.300 we are only

01:03:46.220 talking about

01:03:46.980 the past,

01:03:47.820 we're talking

01:03:48.260 about the

01:03:48.660 mistakes of

01:03:49.300 the past.

01:03:50.080 You cannot

01:03:50.920 fix the

01:03:52.020 mistakes of

01:03:52.740 the past

01:03:53.320 without saying

01:03:54.800 where we're

01:03:55.700 going.

01:03:56.980 So where

01:03:57.860 are we

01:03:58.200 going,

01:03:58.760 Antifa?

01:03:59.960 You want

01:04:00.820 to tear us

01:04:01.440 down.

01:04:02.520 Now I

01:04:02.980 read your

01:04:03.580 website,

01:04:04.400 I read

01:04:04.960 your mission

01:04:05.520 statement,

01:04:06.320 I strongly

01:04:07.340 disagree.

01:04:08.400 capitalism

01:04:09.620 is not

01:04:10.380 the

01:04:10.580 problem.

01:04:12.280 Capitalism

01:04:13.020 that has

01:04:14.480 no moral

01:04:15.340 sentiment

01:04:15.860 is.

01:04:17.680 But you

01:04:18.400 don't fix

01:04:19.020 that by

01:04:20.200 a state

01:04:21.900 run

01:04:22.520 economy.

01:04:25.620 By

01:04:26.620 co-ops,

01:04:27.700 it always

01:04:29.120 fails.

01:04:31.220 Now,

01:04:32.060 you

01:04:32.580 and your

01:04:34.600 allies in

01:04:35.260 the press

01:04:35.860 refuse to

01:04:37.480 point out

01:04:38.120 that that

01:04:38.500 is exactly

01:04:39.280 what you're

01:04:40.200 looking for.

01:04:41.620 It's a

01:04:42.460 failed system.

01:04:44.040 This one

01:04:45.000 has been,

01:04:45.740 this one

01:04:46.240 has failed

01:04:47.400 us because

01:04:49.020 it has been

01:04:49.980 usurped.

01:04:51.740 The Constitution

01:04:53.060 no longer

01:04:53.660 means anything.

01:04:54.700 The Bill of

01:04:55.440 Rights no

01:04:55.980 longer means

01:04:56.640 anything.

01:04:57.600 Why?

01:04:58.560 Because it's

01:04:59.120 not taught

01:04:59.780 anymore.

01:05:00.760 Anybody who

01:05:01.560 takes the

01:05:02.060 oath of office

01:05:02.860 in Washington,

01:05:03.640 90% of

01:05:05.280 them are

01:05:05.880 liars.

01:05:06.620 Not even

01:05:07.280 intentional

01:05:08.720 liars.

01:05:11.180 They don't

01:05:12.740 know it.

01:05:13.580 They don't

01:05:14.280 believe in

01:05:15.040 it.

01:05:15.540 They will

01:05:16.040 tell you

01:05:16.800 they do.

01:05:18.200 As was

01:05:19.140 told to me

01:05:19.820 by a very

01:05:20.380 powerful

01:05:20.780 individual

01:05:21.280 once,

01:05:22.240 look,

01:05:22.800 Glenn,

01:05:23.140 we all

01:05:23.640 believe in

01:05:24.180 the Constitution,

01:05:25.560 but you

01:05:26.340 know,

01:05:26.640 you gotta

01:05:27.080 do what

01:05:27.680 you gotta

01:05:28.080 do.

01:05:28.520 No.

01:05:30.860 No.

01:05:32.240 You do

01:05:32.960 not do

01:05:33.740 what you

01:05:34.140 have to

01:05:34.640 do.

01:05:34.940 That's

01:05:35.160 ends justify

01:05:35.940 the means.

01:05:36.920 We either

01:05:37.400 believe in

01:05:38.100 this or

01:05:38.620 we do

01:05:39.040 not.

01:05:39.580 And that

01:05:39.880 is the

01:05:40.180 question,

01:05:41.080 America.

01:05:41.780 Do you

01:05:42.580 believe?

01:05:47.820 Neutral,

01:05:49.360 half-assed,

01:05:50.760 not thought

01:05:51.640 out,

01:05:53.740 sitting on

01:05:54.560 the sidelines?

01:05:56.440 All of

01:05:57.240 those answers

01:05:58.020 mean nothing

01:05:58.900 in the

01:05:59.420 end.

01:06:00.480 Only

01:06:01.020 those who

01:06:02.020 know it,

01:06:03.020 who

01:06:03.120 understand

01:06:03.840 it,

01:06:04.460 who have

01:06:04.920 done their

01:06:05.480 homework,

01:06:06.360 who can

01:06:06.860 intellectually

01:06:07.820 defend it.

01:06:12.160 Those are

01:06:12.940 the winter

01:06:13.260 soldiers.

01:06:14.220 Those will

01:06:14.700 be the

01:06:15.040 ones that

01:06:15.860 restore

01:06:16.780 freedom

01:06:18.180 for all

01:06:19.240 mankind.

01:06:21.560 Everything

01:06:22.240 else is

01:06:23.240 lip service,

01:06:24.540 a game,

01:06:25.940 and actually

01:06:27.040 a tool

01:06:28.460 in the

01:06:29.520 hands of

01:06:30.140 those who

01:06:30.740 wish to

01:06:31.120 create chaos

01:06:32.180 and destroy

01:06:33.380 all we

01:06:34.040 have.

01:06:42.420 That

01:06:43.020 monologue,

01:06:43.820 and so

01:06:44.640 much more,

01:06:45.700 is actually

01:06:46.300 the beginning

01:06:46.800 of part

01:06:47.400 three of

01:06:48.200 my book,

01:06:49.580 Addicted

01:06:49.960 to Outrage,

01:06:51.000 finding our

01:06:52.680 unum.

01:06:53.580 What is

01:06:54.200 our purpose

01:06:54.980 anymore?

01:06:56.180 We're going

01:06:56.420 to talk about

01:06:56.940 that with

01:06:57.460 you and

01:06:57.900 those who

01:06:58.300 have read

01:06:58.900 the book.

01:06:59.220 If you

01:06:59.400 have read

01:06:59.680 the book,

01:07:00.520 888-727-BECK.

01:07:02.680 Let me

01:07:04.620 take Don

01:07:05.320 in Indiana.

01:07:06.780 Hello,

01:07:07.300 Don.

01:07:07.700 Welcome to

01:07:08.100 the program.

01:07:09.820 Good morning.

01:07:10.600 Hey.

01:07:11.940 You,

01:07:12.660 go ahead.

01:07:14.480 No,

01:07:14.740 go ahead,

01:07:15.060 sir.

01:07:15.440 You wanted

01:07:16.300 me to look

01:07:16.840 at page

01:07:17.200 294 of

01:07:18.500 the book,

01:07:18.920 Addicted

01:07:19.180 to Outrage.

01:07:19.740 What's

01:07:20.040 your question?

01:07:22.740 Oh,

01:07:22.980 no,

01:07:23.160 I'm just

01:07:23.540 stating that

01:07:24.620 I'm on

01:07:25.140 page 294.

01:07:26.380 Oh,

01:07:26.600 you are?

01:07:27.400 Yes.

01:07:28.140 Okay.

01:07:28.560 And you're

01:07:28.900 talking about

01:07:29.900 recovery steps

01:07:31.680 of alcoholism.

01:07:32.780 Yeah.

01:07:33.300 And I'm

01:07:33.840 trying to

01:07:34.240 tie this

01:07:34.820 into the

01:07:35.440 nation.

01:07:35.940 And where

01:07:36.500 is the

01:07:36.960 nation

01:07:37.340 rock bottom

01:07:38.860 in your

01:07:39.340 opinion?

01:07:39.920 And how

01:07:40.240 do we

01:07:40.560 recover

01:07:40.920 from it?

01:07:46.200 I am

01:07:48.800 beginning to

01:07:49.460 think that

01:07:50.980 it is

01:07:51.580 civil war.

01:07:53.140 I'm beginning

01:07:54.060 to think that

01:07:54.920 our rock

01:07:55.680 bottom is

01:07:56.640 too far

01:07:57.380 down.

01:07:58.420 However,

01:07:59.960 I can't

01:08:00.960 live in

01:08:01.500 that world.

01:08:03.100 And it

01:08:04.140 depends on

01:08:04.820 how many

01:08:05.260 people will

01:08:06.260 stand and

01:08:08.400 not go over

01:08:09.140 the cliff.

01:08:09.800 How many

01:08:10.240 people are

01:08:10.940 there?

01:08:11.220 Are there

01:08:11.580 enough of

01:08:12.160 us,

01:08:13.000 Republicans

01:08:13.440 and Democrats

01:08:14.080 in our own

01:08:14.680 neighborhoods,

01:08:15.080 that will

01:08:15.780 say,

01:08:16.280 I don't want

01:08:16.720 anything to

01:08:17.260 do with

01:08:17.520 that.

01:08:18.020 I won't

01:08:18.800 do that.

01:08:19.860 That's not

01:08:20.520 who we are

01:08:21.120 as a people.

01:08:21.840 That's not

01:08:22.560 who my

01:08:23.040 neighbors are.

01:08:24.160 And I am

01:08:24.640 not going to

01:08:25.380 be pushed

01:08:25.780 over the

01:08:26.120 cliff by

01:08:26.720 Antifar

01:08:27.400 Nazis.

01:08:27.800 I'm not

01:08:28.620 doing it.

01:08:30.020 Do we

01:08:30.720 hit that,

01:08:31.300 Don?

01:08:33.680 Well, I

01:08:34.400 would hope

01:08:34.800 as a nation

01:08:35.300 that we

01:08:35.620 do not

01:08:35.980 ever hit

01:08:36.420 that.

01:08:37.060 But I

01:08:37.700 think you

01:08:38.100 could be

01:08:38.840 hitting on

01:08:39.500 something as

01:08:40.060 a civil war

01:08:41.320 in our

01:08:41.700 nation.

01:08:42.340 It may not

01:08:43.060 be physical

01:08:43.880 like our

01:08:44.420 last civil

01:08:44.960 war, but it

01:08:45.540 could be on

01:08:46.140 the social

01:08:46.560 media platform.

01:08:47.820 Oh, we're

01:08:48.180 already in that.

01:08:48.920 And the

01:08:49.020 Antifar, of

01:08:50.240 course.

01:08:50.700 We're already

01:08:51.240 in that.

01:08:51.760 But I

01:08:52.620 am, I'm

01:08:53.820 very concerned

01:08:54.700 about

01:08:55.480 violence.

01:08:57.620 And, you

01:08:58.860 know, you

01:08:59.120 have an

01:08:59.500 assassination,

01:09:00.700 you have

01:09:02.560 any of these

01:09:03.180 kinds of

01:09:03.560 things, and

01:09:04.780 it could

01:09:05.240 spiral the

01:09:05.880 country out

01:09:06.380 of control.

01:09:07.600 And I

01:09:09.400 would hope

01:09:10.060 that we

01:09:10.760 would,

01:09:12.420 blessed be

01:09:13.260 the peacemakers,

01:09:14.580 blessed be

01:09:15.180 the peacemakers.

01:09:16.220 And it's

01:09:16.860 going to be

01:09:17.180 harder and

01:09:17.740 harder to

01:09:18.340 be those

01:09:18.800 people.

01:09:19.400 And that

01:09:19.600 does not

01:09:20.320 mean, as I

01:09:21.160 point out in

01:09:21.620 the book,

01:09:22.460 over and

01:09:22.960 over again,

01:09:23.420 does not

01:09:23.860 mean surrender

01:09:24.580 your principles.

01:09:26.100 It just, it

01:09:27.280 just means

01:09:28.920 stand in

01:09:30.360 what you've

01:09:30.900 always believed.

01:09:32.400 Stand in

01:09:33.020 what you

01:09:33.380 know is

01:09:34.600 true, and

01:09:35.980 encourage others

01:09:37.020 to stand

01:09:37.780 with you.

01:09:39.280 Glenn

01:09:39.800 Beck.

01:09:40.960 Taking phone

01:09:41.400 calls today for

01:09:42.060 people who have

01:09:42.820 read Addicted

01:09:43.580 to Outrage,

01:09:44.460 and one of

01:09:45.880 make a, to

01:09:47.840 illustrate one

01:09:49.160 of the points

01:09:49.840 in the book,

01:09:50.560 or have

01:09:51.040 questions, want

01:09:51.620 to further the

01:09:52.140 dialogue, 888-727-BECK

01:09:54.960 if you have

01:09:55.480 read the book.

01:09:56.980 Let me go to

01:09:57.580 Greg.

01:09:59.160 Greg is a

01:10:00.520 contributor for

01:10:01.080 The Federalist.

01:10:01.940 Wow.

01:10:02.820 Hi, Greg, how

01:10:03.620 are you?

01:10:04.580 Good morning, Glenn.

01:10:05.900 Good to, good to

01:10:06.840 hear from you.

01:10:08.140 Nice to talk to

01:10:08.800 you.

01:10:09.340 I understand

01:10:10.380 that five

01:10:11.880 years ago,

01:10:13.340 you may not

01:10:14.140 have been my

01:10:14.660 biggest fan.

01:10:16.620 No, no, not

01:10:17.620 at all, actually.

01:10:18.660 I'm with you,

01:10:19.340 Greg, on that

01:10:19.780 one.

01:10:20.000 No, wait,

01:10:20.240 totally.

01:10:20.560 Hold on, no,

01:10:20.980 he has different

01:10:23.100 reasons.

01:10:24.020 You were on

01:10:24.660 the left?

01:10:26.120 Oh, yeah, very

01:10:26.980 much so.

01:10:27.700 Tell me about

01:10:28.260 it.

01:10:29.580 Well, I was

01:10:31.040 raised by

01:10:32.420 far-left,

01:10:34.440 kind of

01:10:35.560 ex-hippie

01:10:36.460 parents, and

01:10:38.340 you know, that

01:10:39.500 was just kind of

01:10:40.140 pushed into me

01:10:40.980 from a young

01:10:41.880 age, and it

01:10:43.800 was just a, it

01:10:44.800 was how I saw

01:10:45.500 everything.

01:10:46.060 It was like a

01:10:46.600 filter over the

01:10:47.860 entire world, and

01:10:49.400 I walked around

01:10:51.480 looking suspiciously

01:10:52.960 at everybody,

01:10:53.960 thinking that, you

01:10:55.200 know, there's

01:10:55.520 something deeply

01:10:56.200 broken within them,

01:10:57.540 that they're out to

01:10:58.820 get somebody, that

01:11:00.020 they don't understand

01:11:01.220 what I do, even

01:11:03.480 though I didn't

01:11:04.540 understand very much

01:11:05.400 at all.

01:11:06.620 It was pure

01:11:07.600 emotion, and it

01:11:08.380 was raw, and

01:11:09.640 ill-informed.

01:11:11.420 So what

01:11:12.120 happened?

01:11:12.980 Well, one of my

01:11:16.180 close friends, we

01:11:19.700 were having a

01:11:20.180 discussion, and he

01:11:21.120 actually mentioned

01:11:22.400 Fox News, and

01:11:25.820 just kind of said

01:11:27.640 that that was his

01:11:28.820 news source, and I

01:11:30.280 was appalled, and I

01:11:31.840 was furious, and I

01:11:33.420 went home from

01:11:35.020 that, you know,

01:11:35.700 just thinking,

01:11:36.540 what, what?

01:11:37.020 I thought I knew

01:11:37.660 this guy.

01:11:38.480 Well, you know, I

01:11:39.060 all along, I had no

01:11:40.180 idea.

01:11:40.580 He's some kind of

01:11:41.480 monster.

01:11:42.000 Like, how could, how

01:11:43.460 could this be?

01:11:44.640 And I got curious

01:11:47.460 as to how this

01:11:50.300 could happen, and I

01:11:52.240 went home, and I

01:11:54.360 started watching

01:11:55.720 and listening to

01:11:57.640 some people on the

01:11:59.360 other side, and it

01:12:01.080 was quite a slap

01:12:03.400 in the face.

01:12:03.980 this was prior to

01:12:05.720 Trump and the

01:12:07.960 whole situation

01:12:08.740 now, and all this

01:12:10.140 flamethrowing, and

01:12:11.540 what I saw were, you

01:12:14.500 know, people who

01:12:15.120 celebrate what we've

01:12:16.520 overcome instead of

01:12:17.940 what we've had to

01:12:18.800 overcome, and it was

01:12:21.820 really powerful and

01:12:23.280 very restorative to

01:12:26.320 me.

01:12:27.080 And, you know,

01:12:28.420 looking at your book

01:12:29.220 through the lens of

01:12:30.900 addiction, looking at

01:12:33.060 the way that we

01:12:33.880 approach our

01:12:35.120 politics and the

01:12:35.920 way we regard one

01:12:36.660 another through that

01:12:37.880 lens, I think, is so

01:12:39.140 important.

01:12:39.740 I've gone through

01:12:41.080 addiction myself, and,

01:12:43.160 you know, as an

01:12:44.060 addict, you learn

01:12:45.000 about real humility,

01:12:48.040 and you find help, you

01:12:50.400 find comfort in some

01:12:52.420 of the most unlikely

01:12:53.420 places.

01:12:54.000 and, you know, it

01:12:56.160 really kind of

01:12:56.700 becomes clear to

01:12:58.200 you that, you

01:12:59.020 know, you can say

01:13:00.380 that diversity is our

01:13:01.900 greatest strength, but

01:13:03.220 you know, it's more

01:13:04.640 than that.

01:13:05.080 It's the cooperation

01:13:07.280 between, you know,

01:13:08.620 diverse people.

01:13:10.780 It's the humility of

01:13:12.380 diverse people, I think.

01:13:13.880 One of my favorite

01:13:14.540 quotes is,

01:13:15.140 Absolutely.

01:13:15.500 Where there is

01:13:16.520 doubt, there is

01:13:18.140 freedom.

01:13:19.640 And we flip that up

01:13:23.060 on its head.

01:13:24.160 We are now so, I

01:13:26.580 mean, look at

01:13:26.940 Antifa, directing

01:13:27.780 traffic.

01:13:28.460 They are so

01:13:29.400 convinced that they

01:13:30.920 are right, they

01:13:32.140 will bludgeon you if

01:13:33.520 you disagree with

01:13:34.320 them.

01:13:35.100 There's no freedom

01:13:35.840 there.

01:13:36.780 Where there is

01:13:37.500 doubt, there is

01:13:38.880 freedom.

01:13:39.280 Where there is

01:13:39.740 humility, there is

01:13:40.940 freedom.

01:13:41.320 Absolutely.

01:13:45.280 And, you know,

01:13:45.800 when, you know,

01:13:47.440 intellectual

01:13:47.920 exploration, when

01:13:48.880 curiosity, going

01:13:52.040 against the grain in

01:13:53.120 any way, when that

01:13:54.000 becomes punishable,

01:13:56.660 you, I think, I

01:13:58.560 think they really

01:13:59.080 risk, you know,

01:14:00.500 driving good

01:14:03.000 people down some

01:14:04.820 unsavory roads.

01:14:06.580 And there's no

01:14:08.320 good in that.

01:14:09.500 Great.

01:14:10.020 Thank you.

01:14:10.380 Thank you so

01:14:14.340 much for reading

01:14:14.920 the book, and

01:14:15.540 I'm going to send

01:14:16.000 you a signed

01:14:16.980 copy, but thank

01:14:18.220 you for reading

01:14:19.240 and calling in.

01:14:20.700 Daryl in

01:14:21.320 Kentucky, you're

01:14:22.220 on the Glenn

01:14:22.580 Beck program.

01:14:23.200 Hi, Daryl.

01:14:25.040 Hey, Glenn.

01:14:25.720 How's it going?

01:14:26.360 I'm good.

01:14:26.880 How are you?

01:14:28.300 Doing great.

01:14:28.960 I just wanted to

01:14:29.640 say that I really

01:14:30.340 love the book, and

01:14:31.100 I think that my

01:14:32.420 favorite part of it

01:14:33.520 is that even

01:14:34.600 though we can't

01:14:36.440 surrender, like

01:14:37.440 you've said several

01:14:38.120 times, we have to

01:14:39.260 remain safe.

01:14:40.380 civil, because

01:14:41.320 maybe I'm naive

01:14:42.620 in thinking this,

01:14:43.520 but I think that

01:14:44.700 eventually the

01:14:45.460 left will realize

01:14:46.800 they have gone

01:14:47.420 too far.

01:14:48.080 They will step

01:14:48.680 back from the

01:14:49.260 ledge, and if

01:14:50.860 we're civil, if

01:14:51.700 we're there

01:14:52.080 standing strong

01:14:52.900 on our

01:14:53.180 principles, we'll

01:14:53.940 be able to

01:14:55.540 bring them back

01:14:56.100 into the fold

01:14:56.760 and bring the

01:14:58.740 country back

01:14:59.180 together.

01:14:59.540 But if we give

01:15:00.080 in, we do the

01:15:00.900 same thing we're

01:15:01.380 doing.

01:15:01.980 We just help

01:15:02.860 tear the country

01:15:03.400 apart.

01:15:05.180 You were on

01:15:06.480 the left as

01:15:07.080 well at one

01:15:07.740 point?

01:15:09.000 I was.

01:15:10.440 I was raised

01:15:12.320 in southern

01:15:12.780 West Virginia.

01:15:14.460 My family

01:15:15.340 were very

01:15:16.580 deep blue

01:15:17.000 Democrats, and

01:15:18.220 we believed

01:15:19.200 that Republicans

01:15:19.780 were just

01:15:20.160 people who

01:15:20.680 took money

01:15:21.460 away from

01:15:21.780 the poor

01:15:22.100 to give

01:15:22.360 to the rich.

01:15:23.420 And, you

01:15:24.920 know, I was

01:15:26.360 a pretty

01:15:26.760 progressive guy

01:15:27.640 in college,

01:15:28.600 and I didn't

01:15:30.160 really start

01:15:31.500 looking at the

01:15:32.020 other side

01:15:32.520 until after

01:15:33.760 2014.

01:15:34.340 I went to

01:15:35.800 war.

01:15:36.500 I was a

01:15:37.180 soldier in

01:15:37.640 the military.

01:15:39.280 I spent

01:15:39.960 all of 2014

01:15:40.920 in Afghanistan,

01:15:42.800 leading some

01:15:43.680 of the best

01:15:44.120 men and

01:15:44.560 women I've

01:15:45.040 ever met

01:15:45.380 in my life.

01:15:46.620 And when I

01:15:46.940 came back,

01:15:47.420 my country

01:15:47.880 was completely

01:15:48.800 different.

01:15:49.700 I couldn't

01:15:50.260 figure out

01:15:50.600 what happened.

01:15:51.700 I was no

01:15:52.300 longer welcome

01:15:52.980 unless there's

01:15:53.660 a straight

01:15:54.700 white male

01:15:55.240 veteran.

01:15:55.980 So I had

01:15:56.740 to figure out

01:15:57.440 what happened.

01:15:58.680 I started

01:15:59.020 looking at

01:15:59.560 people that I

01:16:00.380 had mocked,

01:16:01.020 including

01:16:01.300 yourself in

01:16:02.020 the past.

01:16:03.040 And I

01:16:04.140 actually started

01:16:04.740 reading Roy

01:16:06.060 H.

01:16:06.320 Williams and

01:16:06.780 Michael R.

01:16:07.340 Drew's Pendulum,

01:16:08.060 which you

01:16:08.580 noted in the

01:16:09.100 book.

01:16:10.000 And that

01:16:11.380 really, you

01:16:12.360 know, maybe

01:16:12.800 I'm buying

01:16:13.380 into their

01:16:13.860 theory a

01:16:14.360 little bit

01:16:14.540 too much,

01:16:14.980 but I've

01:16:15.720 seen it

01:16:16.140 firsthand.

01:16:17.160 And I

01:16:18.580 do believe

01:16:19.400 that we

01:16:20.040 have another

01:16:20.480 five years

01:16:21.160 of this

01:16:21.820 getting worse

01:16:22.440 before it

01:16:22.880 gets better,

01:16:23.420 but I

01:16:24.060 still believe

01:16:24.540 the dawn

01:16:24.880 is coming.

01:16:26.140 So do

01:16:26.720 I.

01:16:27.040 It's whether

01:16:27.640 or not we

01:16:29.420 can pull

01:16:30.560 enough people

01:16:31.080 away from

01:16:31.560 the cliff

01:16:32.100 before I

01:16:32.960 think the

01:16:33.220 year is

01:16:33.500 2025 where

01:16:34.460 it starts

01:16:34.840 to come

01:16:35.540 back the

01:16:35.840 other

01:16:35.960 direction.

01:16:37.380 So how

01:16:39.860 can we

01:16:40.700 help people

01:16:41.520 like you?

01:16:42.160 Because I

01:16:42.580 think we

01:16:44.380 need to

01:16:44.700 start defining

01:16:45.520 Democrats.

01:16:47.240 When we

01:16:47.740 say the

01:16:48.200 Democrats,

01:16:48.940 I think we

01:16:49.520 need to

01:16:49.780 start saying

01:16:50.300 the people

01:16:51.060 in the

01:16:51.420 leadership

01:16:51.800 of the

01:16:52.260 party.

01:16:53.440 Because I

01:16:54.060 don't think

01:16:54.520 like you,

01:16:55.780 there are

01:16:56.200 Democrats who

01:16:56.980 are good,

01:16:57.520 love the

01:16:58.020 country,

01:16:58.360 and are

01:16:58.740 finding themselves

01:16:59.500 going,

01:16:59.940 wait a

01:17:00.120 minute,

01:17:00.220 I don't

01:17:00.680 have any

01:17:01.020 place to

01:17:01.420 go.

01:17:02.780 And we

01:17:04.240 have to,

01:17:06.220 and I'm

01:17:06.660 not saying

01:17:07.000 it's in the

01:17:07.360 Republican

01:17:07.760 party,

01:17:08.500 I'm just

01:17:09.540 saying people

01:17:10.860 need to

01:17:11.920 start being

01:17:13.780 more welcoming

01:17:14.520 to people who

01:17:16.040 are finding

01:17:16.420 themselves on

01:17:17.260 the outs.

01:17:18.980 What should

01:17:19.780 we be aware

01:17:20.760 of that you

01:17:21.680 went through?

01:17:24.220 I think you

01:17:25.040 should be

01:17:25.340 aware that

01:17:26.040 even though

01:17:26.900 policy is

01:17:30.820 an area

01:17:31.500 that we

01:17:31.840 may never

01:17:32.700 agree on,

01:17:33.740 that principle

01:17:34.400 is something

01:17:35.040 that we

01:17:35.420 can agree

01:17:36.060 on,

01:17:36.580 that things

01:17:37.640 like individual

01:17:39.140 freedom,

01:17:40.280 things like

01:17:41.520 not having

01:17:44.480 a government

01:17:45.200 that can

01:17:46.140 control you

01:17:47.500 from several

01:17:49.500 hundred miles

01:17:50.160 away,

01:17:50.640 that can

01:17:50.860 control every

01:17:51.540 little aspect

01:17:52.140 of your

01:17:52.500 life.

01:17:52.820 something I

01:17:54.180 talk to my

01:17:54.620 wife and

01:17:55.440 my niece

01:17:55.780 about all

01:17:56.160 the time

01:17:56.540 is that

01:17:57.240 before

01:17:58.120 President

01:17:59.400 Obama,

01:18:00.280 even though

01:18:00.580 I voted

01:18:01.040 for the

01:18:01.360 guy and

01:18:01.660 I kind

01:18:01.940 of liked

01:18:02.220 what he

01:18:02.460 was

01:18:02.600 selling,

01:18:04.220 the

01:18:05.020 president's

01:18:05.600 name

01:18:05.860 didn't get

01:18:06.280 mentioned

01:18:06.620 at the

01:18:06.960 dinner

01:18:07.160 table

01:18:07.520 every

01:18:07.880 single

01:18:08.240 night

01:18:08.600 at my

01:18:09.500 home

01:18:09.800 when I

01:18:10.380 was

01:18:10.500 growing

01:18:10.760 up.

01:18:11.460 The

01:18:11.900 power

01:18:12.380 that we

01:18:12.700 have

01:18:12.840 given

01:18:13.040 to

01:18:13.220 Washington

01:18:13.680 over

01:18:14.680 the

01:18:14.880 past

01:18:15.220 10,

01:18:15.680 20

01:18:15.880 years

01:18:16.220 is too

01:18:16.800 much.

01:18:17.820 And I'm

01:18:18.660 not really

01:18:19.040 sure

01:18:19.380 what the

01:18:20.340 end

01:18:20.540 state,

01:18:21.160 what the

01:18:21.440 solution for

01:18:22.000 that is,

01:18:22.400 but I

01:18:23.300 think just

01:18:24.380 talking about

01:18:25.280 the things

01:18:25.640 you talked

01:18:25.980 about in

01:18:26.240 the book,

01:18:26.740 the principles

01:18:27.320 that make

01:18:28.400 us all

01:18:28.980 united,

01:18:29.960 our unum,

01:18:30.620 the Bill

01:18:30.880 of Rights,

01:18:31.440 the things

01:18:31.780 that make

01:18:32.400 us all

01:18:32.800 American

01:18:33.220 are what

01:18:34.240 we can

01:18:34.660 unify

01:18:35.420 behind.

01:18:36.280 So the

01:18:36.600 section of

01:18:38.280 because I

01:18:39.020 man, I've

01:18:40.660 really struggled

01:18:41.300 with what it

01:18:42.020 is that

01:18:42.640 brought us

01:18:43.420 together and

01:18:44.040 it's really

01:18:44.760 or can

01:18:45.400 bring us

01:18:45.760 back together

01:18:46.260 and it's

01:18:47.100 really so

01:18:47.560 simple when

01:18:48.220 you finally

01:18:49.440 get down to

01:18:50.160 it, it

01:18:50.960 is the Bill

01:18:51.440 of Rights,

01:18:51.940 don't you

01:18:52.200 think?

01:18:53.040 I agree.

01:18:54.420 I think that

01:18:55.600 you will never

01:18:56.520 find in any

01:18:57.760 other country

01:18:58.340 that I've

01:18:58.780 been in,

01:18:59.200 I've been

01:18:59.520 in several,

01:19:00.120 Africa,

01:19:00.780 Germany,

01:19:01.900 Afghanistan,

01:19:03.060 Romania,

01:19:04.880 you will

01:19:05.320 never find a

01:19:05.960 country that

01:19:06.660 beats itself

01:19:07.660 up over its

01:19:08.420 past as much

01:19:09.360 as America

01:19:09.840 does.

01:19:10.540 We realize

01:19:12.020 that we've

01:19:12.560 done some

01:19:12.960 horrible things

01:19:13.580 like you said

01:19:14.060 in your

01:19:14.300 reading and

01:19:14.820 your monologue,

01:19:15.620 but we've

01:19:16.140 also, you

01:19:17.860 know, I think

01:19:19.000 it's something

01:19:19.340 that Dinesh

01:19:19.880 D'Souza said

01:19:20.680 by recognizing

01:19:22.940 our faults,

01:19:23.700 by admitting

01:19:24.340 to our faults,

01:19:25.040 you have to

01:19:25.520 kind of, in

01:19:26.160 a way, admit

01:19:26.800 to America's

01:19:27.540 moral superiority

01:19:28.480 because we

01:19:28.980 realize that

01:19:30.000 we've made

01:19:30.440 mistakes and

01:19:31.260 we're trying

01:19:31.840 to fix them.

01:19:32.500 Daryl, thank

01:19:35.840 you so much

01:19:36.260 for your

01:19:36.500 phone call.

01:19:37.200 I appreciate

01:19:37.640 it.

01:19:38.100 God bless.

01:19:39.560 He brought

01:19:40.100 up a great

01:19:40.380 point about

01:19:40.780 how before

01:19:41.560 Obama, the

01:19:42.660 president's name

01:19:43.340 didn't come up

01:19:43.860 every day at

01:19:44.280 the dinner

01:19:44.520 table.

01:19:45.460 Obviously, that's

01:19:46.100 getting even

01:19:46.580 worse now with

01:19:47.580 Trump.

01:19:47.960 I mean, people

01:19:48.260 are obsessed

01:19:49.280 about talking

01:19:49.900 about him all

01:19:50.360 the time.

01:19:51.220 There's a story

01:19:51.580 today in Axios

01:19:52.200 about how

01:19:53.220 they are,

01:19:54.580 the networks

01:19:55.380 have recognized

01:19:56.120 this and they're

01:19:56.820 doubling down.

01:19:58.080 They've enjoyed

01:19:58.760 high ratings and

01:19:59.500 engagement from

01:20:00.020 Trump coverage and

01:20:00.800 for the networks

01:20:01.760 at a relatively

01:20:02.300 low cost.

01:20:03.720 Now that a

01:20:04.000 precedent has been

01:20:04.620 set around these

01:20:05.200 high returns,

01:20:05.960 it's unlikely

01:20:06.400 news outlets will

01:20:07.200 cut back,

01:20:07.820 meaning the

01:20:08.140 barrage of

01:20:08.540 political content

01:20:09.240 being created

01:20:09.800 and absorbed

01:20:10.320 during the

01:20:10.700 Trump presidency

01:20:11.260 will likely

01:20:11.840 outlive this

01:20:12.520 administration.

01:20:13.800 They want to

01:20:14.180 make, I mean

01:20:15.520 like Trump is

01:20:15.960 a celebrity,

01:20:16.480 right?

01:20:16.640 So un-American.

01:20:17.540 And he's a

01:20:18.280 polarizing guy and

01:20:19.660 people love him

01:20:20.160 and hate him,

01:20:20.920 but they want

01:20:21.380 this to be the

01:20:22.400 norm.

01:20:22.860 They want you to

01:20:23.560 be obsessed with

01:20:24.440 this all the time

01:20:25.360 at the expense of

01:20:26.080 the rest of your

01:20:26.480 life.

01:20:26.740 It is in a

01:20:27.420 totalitarian regime.

01:20:29.040 It is the norm.

01:20:30.760 You have to know

01:20:31.500 what der Führer

01:20:32.260 or the leader

01:20:32.960 is saying and

01:20:34.160 doing and wants

01:20:35.200 you to do.

01:20:36.180 It is the norm.

01:20:38.260 Anything that

01:20:39.080 normalizes this,

01:20:40.560 any intention of

01:20:41.520 saying, you know

01:20:42.260 what, that's good

01:20:43.340 for America, is

01:20:44.940 mistaken.

01:20:45.760 It's wrong.

01:20:47.220 Yeah, and this

01:20:47.440 is, you know,

01:20:47.880 this is, it's

01:20:49.140 driven, I think,

01:20:49.800 at this point by

01:20:50.540 clicks and viewers

01:20:51.680 and, you know,

01:20:52.600 it's one of those

01:20:53.440 things that just

01:20:54.000 is going to

01:20:54.780 continue.

01:20:55.220 It's going to be

01:20:55.580 hard to reverse

01:20:56.720 that addiction

01:20:57.360 as well.

01:20:58.620 They, you know,

01:20:59.280 when they can

01:21:00.280 get, you know,

01:21:01.260 the Rachel Maddow

01:21:02.060 audience is

01:21:03.320 addicted to

01:21:03.840 outrage maybe

01:21:04.820 more than any

01:21:05.400 other, right?

01:21:06.240 Their ratings have

01:21:06.940 gone through the

01:21:07.420 roof because of it

01:21:08.140 and you think

01:21:08.460 MSNBC's return,

01:21:09.560 you know, is going

01:21:09.920 to reverse that

01:21:10.840 path now?

01:21:11.760 No.

01:21:12.240 They're not going

01:21:12.680 to say, oh,

01:21:13.040 well, you know

01:21:13.400 what, maybe we

01:21:13.860 went to, I don't

01:21:14.840 know.

01:21:15.200 I mean, I'd like

01:21:15.760 to be optimistic

01:21:16.300 about it, but I

01:21:16.840 don't see it

01:21:17.160 happening.

01:21:17.440 All right.

01:21:18.460 We're going to

01:21:18.900 take a quick

01:21:19.300 break.

01:21:19.560 Back to your

01:21:19.900 phone calls,

01:21:20.440 888-727-BECK.

01:21:22.680 Glenn Beck.

01:21:24.980 This is the

01:21:25.720 Glenn Beck

01:21:26.140 program.

01:21:27.200 Do you have any

01:21:28.200 outrage-addicted

01:21:29.140 people in your

01:21:29.800 life?

01:21:30.200 Oh, you know

01:21:30.720 what pisses me

01:21:31.360 off about that?

01:21:32.340 You want to

01:21:32.720 help them, but

01:21:33.260 you're constantly

01:21:33.720 dodging things

01:21:34.860 that are being

01:21:35.240 thrown and you

01:21:36.880 don't know how.

01:21:39.380 Try giving them

01:21:40.180 a copy of

01:21:40.680 Glenn Beck's

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01:21:42.000 Addicted to

01:21:42.440 Outrage.

01:21:43.240 It's much

01:21:43.860 cheaper than

01:21:44.360 therapy and

01:21:45.300 hurts less than

01:21:46.000 a...

01:21:46.300 Ow!

01:21:46.460 Book to

01:21:47.840 your head,

01:21:48.760 and it's

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01:21:51.560 Addicted to

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01:21:53.240 new book from

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01:22:01.340 Let's go to

01:22:02.180 Kelly in

01:22:03.100 Oregon.

01:22:03.920 I wanted to

01:22:04.440 say thank you

01:22:05.160 for your book.

01:22:05.940 I'm listening

01:22:06.380 to it on

01:22:07.700 audio, so

01:22:08.680 it's a lot

01:22:09.500 of fun.

01:22:09.920 You did a

01:22:10.240 great job.

01:22:11.020 Thank you.

01:22:11.560 I wanted to

01:22:12.680 say thank you

01:22:13.160 for your

01:22:13.480 references in

01:22:14.780 the food

01:22:15.400 section.

01:22:16.000 That's a

01:22:18.980 little misleading

01:22:19.640 because I

01:22:20.260 think I

01:22:20.640 talk about

01:22:21.060 food a

01:22:21.700 lot.

01:22:22.760 Well, let

01:22:23.960 me tell you

01:22:24.820 what it is.

01:22:26.160 Where you

01:22:27.060 take it, the

01:22:28.800 McDonald's one

01:22:30.000 and the

01:22:30.960 31 flavors

01:22:32.780 with Baskin

01:22:33.860 Robbins,

01:22:34.620 explaining

01:22:35.900 President Trump.

01:22:37.260 I have been

01:22:38.460 able to use

01:22:39.220 those references

01:22:40.060 in saying that

01:22:42.260 there are some

01:22:42.900 good things about

01:22:43.760 him to my

01:22:44.880 liberal friends.

01:22:46.220 You don't

01:22:46.700 have to like

01:22:47.320 everything about

01:22:48.160 him, but there

01:22:48.600 are some good

01:22:49.240 things.

01:22:49.740 I mean, you

01:22:50.040 like McDonald's.

01:22:51.020 I mean, you

01:22:51.260 like the

01:22:51.540 french fries, so

01:22:52.620 you don't hate

01:22:53.480 everything about

01:22:54.380 McDonald's.

01:22:55.120 You like the

01:22:55.560 fries, right?

01:22:56.920 And so I've

01:22:57.700 been able to

01:22:58.140 kind of use

01:22:58.800 that in a

01:22:59.460 joking way and

01:23:00.740 kind of to get

01:23:01.440 them to maybe

01:23:02.300 see a little bit

01:23:03.420 of I like him a

01:23:04.660 little bit.

01:23:05.480 You don't have to

01:23:05.940 like him personally.

01:23:07.140 So anyways, I just

01:23:08.520 really enjoyed that

01:23:09.380 part about your book

01:23:10.400 and being able

01:23:11.140 to use that

01:23:12.040 because I can

01:23:12.680 laugh about it.

01:23:13.460 We can laugh

01:23:14.180 about food.

01:23:15.180 And so anyway,

01:23:16.780 Kelly, thank you.

01:23:18.440 Thank you very

01:23:19.280 much.

01:23:19.940 Stay strong in

01:23:20.800 Oregon.

01:23:21.440 We'll send you a

01:23:22.060 copy of the book

01:23:22.960 signed to you.

01:23:24.600 Listen, the point

01:23:26.380 I make in the book

01:23:27.120 about McDonald's

01:23:28.060 is it's one way

01:23:29.700 you can tell if

01:23:30.640 people are being

01:23:31.880 disingenuous.

01:23:32.660 If you have

01:23:33.520 nothing good to

01:23:35.020 say about someone,

01:23:36.180 I mean, nothing,

01:23:38.000 everything is bad.

01:23:40.040 Really?

01:23:41.480 I mean, even

01:23:42.620 even people who

01:23:44.600 were trying to

01:23:46.400 say something good

01:23:47.220 about Adolf Hitler,

01:23:48.620 the Audubon,

01:23:50.740 the Audubon.

01:23:51.920 OK, doesn't really

01:23:53.020 outbalance or

01:23:53.940 outweigh the other,

01:23:54.820 but OK.

01:23:56.520 You can't find

01:23:57.760 anything.

01:23:58.140 And I compared

01:23:59.120 the news coverage

01:24:00.180 to a bunch of

01:24:01.400 people who are

01:24:02.060 just telling you

01:24:03.040 that everything

01:24:04.200 about McDonald's

01:24:05.380 sucks.

01:24:07.000 Everything.

01:24:07.640 If they don't

01:24:09.100 mention that they

01:24:09.880 OK, but I got to

01:24:10.640 tell you, the fries

01:24:11.300 are the best fries

01:24:12.120 ever.

01:24:13.380 If they can't

01:24:14.100 admit that

01:24:14.800 McDonald's fry

01:24:15.700 is superior,

01:24:16.580 even if they

01:24:17.960 hate everything

01:24:19.140 else, they're

01:24:20.900 not an honest

01:24:21.480 broker.

01:24:22.260 They're not an

01:24:23.260 honest broker.

01:24:24.080 It's called an

01:24:24.560 Egg McMuffin, too,

01:24:25.400 by the way.

01:24:26.380 And a McGriddle.

01:24:27.400 I could go on

01:24:28.240 and and I

01:24:29.660 could have, but

01:24:30.600 I didn't.

01:24:31.800 Sean, you've read

01:24:32.420 Addicted to Outrage.

01:24:34.140 Welcome to the

01:24:34.840 program.

01:24:36.680 Hey, Greg.

01:24:37.480 How are you?

01:24:38.120 Very good.

01:24:39.760 Good.

01:24:40.580 Yeah.

01:24:41.800 One of the

01:24:42.480 things that

01:24:43.160 really surprised

01:24:44.540 me as I was

01:24:45.140 going through

01:24:45.520 reading it and

01:24:46.260 it was, you

01:24:47.800 know, I went

01:24:48.780 back to school

01:24:49.300 at 40, you

01:24:50.080 know, disabled

01:24:50.580 vet, you

01:24:51.400 know, so I

01:24:52.420 ended up going

01:24:52.840 back to college

01:24:53.600 and I ended

01:24:55.060 up becoming

01:24:55.440 friends with a

01:24:56.520 really, really,

01:24:58.420 really liberal

01:24:59.160 professor.

01:25:00.020 You know, I

01:25:00.640 mean, head

01:25:01.860 of the LBGT,

01:25:03.420 you know, I

01:25:04.800 mean, really,

01:25:05.520 really liberal

01:25:06.040 and I'm

01:25:06.780 really, really

01:25:07.540 not right.

01:25:08.960 And I

01:25:09.820 could never

01:25:10.340 understand why

01:25:12.100 nobody on

01:25:12.960 campus could

01:25:13.680 understand how

01:25:15.040 we could be

01:25:15.480 friends.

01:25:17.580 You know,

01:25:18.100 well, after

01:25:18.780 reading Addicted

01:25:19.500 to Outrage?

01:25:20.780 No, I get

01:25:21.600 it.

01:25:22.460 You know, because

01:25:23.480 we could sit

01:25:24.900 there and we

01:25:26.100 could discuss

01:25:26.960 problems, right?

01:25:28.820 We could agree

01:25:29.640 on the

01:25:31.380 problem.

01:25:31.840 Now, we

01:25:32.280 couldn't agree

01:25:33.060 on how to

01:25:34.100 fix the

01:25:34.620 problem, but

01:25:35.960 we could have

01:25:36.560 a civil

01:25:37.180 conversation

01:25:37.960 between the

01:25:38.600 two of us

01:25:39.240 and agree

01:25:39.900 that it was

01:25:41.120 a problem.

01:25:42.140 Now, nobody

01:25:43.000 else could

01:25:44.980 sit there and

01:25:46.620 even agree

01:25:47.380 that it was

01:25:49.660 a problem.

01:25:50.220 They had to

01:25:50.540 fight over it.

01:25:51.280 So is your,

01:25:52.540 did you read

01:25:52.980 the section yet

01:25:53.560 about the

01:25:53.980 unum?

01:25:57.140 You'll, I'm

01:25:58.440 about halfway

01:25:59.100 through.

01:25:59.820 Okay.

01:26:00.220 Glenn, you've

01:26:00.940 got to forgive

01:26:01.480 me.

01:26:01.880 I'm in a

01:26:02.360 little bit

01:26:02.640 of a brain

01:26:03.080 frog.

01:26:03.800 No, no, no.

01:26:04.300 That's fine.

01:26:04.980 That's fine.

01:26:05.280 Three concussions

01:26:06.400 through my

01:26:06.920 military service.

01:26:08.260 Thank you for

01:26:09.000 that.

01:26:09.340 And that's

01:26:09.680 right now.

01:26:10.660 Are we taking

01:26:11.580 care of you

01:26:12.180 as a country?

01:26:14.360 Yeah.

01:26:15.000 Actually, I'm

01:26:15.560 one of the

01:26:15.920 fortunate ones,

01:26:16.980 but, you know,

01:26:17.520 I mean, I'm

01:26:18.500 also a jerk

01:26:19.160 about it and

01:26:19.820 fight to make

01:26:21.020 sure that they

01:26:21.560 do the right

01:26:22.840 thing.

01:26:23.280 Good.

01:26:23.400 Sean, when

01:26:26.440 you get to

01:26:26.840 the unum

01:26:27.340 part, you

01:26:28.100 will, I

01:26:28.820 think,

01:26:29.660 possibly, and

01:26:30.540 I would love

01:26:30.940 for you to

01:26:31.300 call back and

01:26:31.860 tell me if

01:26:32.360 this is right,

01:26:33.640 you will

01:26:34.000 possibly

01:26:34.480 understand why

01:26:35.700 the two of

01:26:36.420 you can get

01:26:37.140 along.

01:26:38.060 If it's not

01:26:39.360 because of

01:26:40.360 that, I

01:26:41.980 really want to

01:26:42.620 know, because

01:26:43.980 my thesis is

01:26:45.780 that we can

01:26:49.040 fix this and

01:26:50.040 we can come

01:26:50.880 together, but

01:26:52.140 only if we

01:26:53.640 only if we

01:26:55.620 can unite

01:26:56.460 around the

01:26:57.640 things that

01:26:58.220 brought us

01:26:58.720 together in

01:26:59.520 the first

01:26:59.880 place, and

01:27:01.100 that's the

01:27:01.500 Bill of

01:27:01.780 Rights.

01:27:02.620 That allows

01:27:03.980 people to

01:27:04.800 disagree and

01:27:06.200 walk away from

01:27:06.960 each other

01:27:07.360 without hating

01:27:08.040 because you

01:27:09.000 understand you

01:27:10.160 have a right

01:27:11.120 to believe

01:27:11.780 that, and

01:27:13.040 if you have

01:27:13.880 the same

01:27:14.460 unum of

01:27:15.340 the Judeo-Western

01:27:16.880 culture, which

01:27:17.720 is, you know,

01:27:18.440 don't steal,

01:27:19.240 don't lie,

01:27:19.780 don't cheat,

01:27:20.440 don't kill,

01:27:21.860 well, those

01:27:22.640 things are what

01:27:23.300 brought us

01:27:23.660 together, our

01:27:24.660 Judeo-Christian

01:27:25.460 culture and

01:27:26.660 our Bill of

01:27:27.240 Rights.

01:27:28.300 If we have

01:27:29.400 those things in

01:27:30.420 common, we

01:27:31.580 can unite.

01:27:33.140 Unfortunately,

01:27:34.100 the people in

01:27:34.800 Antifa do not

01:27:36.060 have those

01:27:36.800 things.

01:27:37.300 The Nazis do

01:27:38.400 not have those

01:27:39.520 things.

01:27:40.560 I think the

01:27:41.460 parties are

01:27:42.500 disavowing those

01:27:43.920 things because,

01:27:45.160 well, it'd take

01:27:45.860 everything we have

01:27:46.960 to win.

01:27:48.440 the people, if

01:27:51.140 they're reminded,

01:27:53.000 I believe they

01:27:55.100 do have those

01:27:56.040 things.

01:27:56.900 We just don't

01:27:57.680 believe the

01:27:58.360 other person has

01:27:59.660 it as well.

01:28:00.880 When we can

01:28:01.820 find that in

01:28:03.640 the other

01:28:04.120 person.

01:28:05.440 Ten Commandments,

01:28:06.640 man, forget

01:28:07.360 about the God

01:28:08.020 stuff.

01:28:09.260 Thou shalt not

01:28:09.700 kill, we

01:28:10.360 shouldn't sleep

01:28:11.020 with, you know,

01:28:11.720 the neighbor,

01:28:12.680 the neighbor's

01:28:13.280 wife, I

01:28:13.900 shouldn't covet what

01:28:14.860 you have, you

01:28:16.300 know, all those

01:28:16.860 things, lie,

01:28:17.720 cheat, steal, and

01:28:19.440 the Bill of

01:28:19.800 Rights.

01:28:20.700 You have

01:28:21.380 those?

01:28:22.960 We can fix

01:28:23.820 it.

01:28:25.000 Find those

01:28:26.260 people.

01:28:29.480 Arthur Herman

01:28:30.200 is the author

01:28:31.720 of Gandhi and

01:28:32.760 Churchill, a

01:28:33.700 finalist for the

01:28:34.440 Pulitzer Prize, but

01:28:35.380 he's also the

01:28:35.900 author of one of

01:28:36.340 my favorite

01:28:36.760 books, Freedom's

01:28:37.980 Forge.

01:28:38.320 It came out a

01:28:38.780 few years ago,

01:28:40.220 and I've wanted

01:28:41.620 to have him on

01:28:42.320 the show for

01:28:42.820 quite some time,

01:28:44.000 but he's here

01:28:44.880 with us today.

01:28:45.660 Arthur, welcome

01:28:46.320 to the program.

01:28:47.000 How are you?

01:28:48.120 I'm doing very

01:28:49.020 well.

01:28:49.380 It's a pleasure

01:28:49.740 to be on.

01:28:50.520 Hey, are you

01:28:50.940 going to send

01:28:51.300 me a copy of

01:28:51.920 your new book?

01:28:53.340 Yes, I will.

01:28:54.120 If you'd send

01:28:54.500 me a copy of

01:28:56.220 Freedom's Forge

01:28:57.300 signed, I

01:28:57.920 would cherish

01:28:59.660 it.

01:29:00.840 Delighted to do

01:29:01.460 that.

01:29:01.640 Yeah.

01:29:02.760 Freedom's Forge,

01:29:03.400 and we'll get

01:29:03.700 into it a little

01:29:04.140 while, Freedom's

01:29:05.320 Forge is just a

01:29:06.940 tremendous,

01:29:08.240 tremendous history

01:29:09.900 book that I think

01:29:10.820 everybody should

01:29:11.480 have.

01:29:13.000 I appreciate

01:29:13.700 that.

01:29:14.000 Let me go back

01:29:15.160 to Churchill

01:29:15.880 and Gandhi.

01:29:18.360 Sure.

01:29:18.940 If you were

01:29:19.700 from India,

01:29:21.620 you see

01:29:22.060 Churchill

01:29:23.340 completely

01:29:25.600 differently than

01:29:26.760 those in the

01:29:27.320 West do.

01:29:29.140 Yeah, I think

01:29:29.640 that's probably

01:29:30.260 true, especially

01:29:31.160 today.

01:29:31.880 I would say

01:29:32.320 less so

01:29:33.540 during the

01:29:35.600 wartime

01:29:36.440 period,

01:29:37.380 when you saw

01:29:38.640 that there was

01:29:39.200 a lot of

01:29:40.100 respect,

01:29:40.860 including by

01:29:41.440 Gandhi,

01:29:41.820 Churchill for

01:29:43.660 his defiant

01:29:44.580 stand against

01:29:45.380 the Nazis

01:29:45.920 and his

01:29:46.360 ability to

01:29:47.340 really rally

01:29:48.500 Britain,

01:29:49.380 which a lot

01:29:49.920 of Indians

01:29:50.340 thought,

01:29:51.200 hey, you

01:29:51.560 know,

01:29:51.780 Britain,

01:29:52.160 it's on

01:29:52.460 the decline,

01:29:53.500 it's losing

01:29:54.500 its credibility

01:29:55.900 around the

01:29:56.540 world,

01:29:57.580 it's an

01:29:58.400 imperialist

01:29:58.980 power,

01:29:59.960 and they

01:30:01.080 were, I

01:30:01.580 think,

01:30:01.820 quite shocked

01:30:02.380 and surprised

01:30:02.980 with the way

01:30:03.360 in which

01:30:03.620 Churchill was

01:30:04.160 able to

01:30:04.820 rally the

01:30:05.680 British people

01:30:06.260 and then

01:30:06.840 basically

01:30:07.460 rally the

01:30:07.980 free world

01:30:08.540 to fight

01:30:09.540 against

01:30:09.840 Nazism.

01:30:10.660 But you're

01:30:11.040 right,

01:30:11.380 today a lot

01:30:12.360 of the

01:30:12.560 focus is

01:30:13.100 on

01:30:13.480 Churchill

01:30:14.020 as a

01:30:15.780 white

01:30:15.940 supremacist,

01:30:17.080 as supposedly

01:30:18.680 the guy

01:30:20.080 who triggered

01:30:21.180 the Great

01:30:21.760 Bengal Famine

01:30:22.960 during the

01:30:23.960 course of the

01:30:24.420 war in

01:30:24.780 43-44.

01:30:26.120 You don't

01:30:27.380 think so?

01:30:28.440 No, I

01:30:29.140 don't think

01:30:29.500 so at

01:30:29.800 all.

01:30:30.120 I think

01:30:30.320 what you

01:30:31.020 come to

01:30:31.500 realize about

01:30:32.160 the Great

01:30:32.520 Bengal Famine

01:30:33.380 is it

01:30:33.760 was a

01:30:34.040 concatenation

01:30:34.840 of bad

01:30:36.720 circumstances,

01:30:38.020 the loss

01:30:38.620 of Burma,

01:30:40.320 which had

01:30:40.640 been India's

01:30:41.800 main source

01:30:42.460 for rice

01:30:44.200 imports,

01:30:45.340 and a lot

01:30:46.460 of mishandling

01:30:47.440 on the ground

01:30:48.020 by the

01:30:49.060 British

01:30:50.020 bureaucracy.

01:30:51.020 The civil

01:30:51.320 service bureaucracy

01:30:52.320 basically failed

01:30:53.880 to deal

01:30:54.440 with the

01:30:55.060 problem that

01:30:55.700 for 30

01:30:56.740 years they

01:30:57.240 had been

01:30:57.460 assuring

01:30:57.860 Indians

01:30:58.320 they could

01:30:58.720 deal with.

01:30:59.520 I mean,

01:30:59.780 it's big

01:31:00.160 government

01:31:00.480 in action,

01:31:01.320 Glenn,

01:31:01.960 and they

01:31:03.120 failed

01:31:03.560 utterly

01:31:03.960 until

01:31:04.660 Churchill

01:31:05.620 appointed

01:31:06.380 Archibald

01:31:07.560 Wavell

01:31:07.940 as

01:31:09.200 Viceroy

01:31:09.840 and he

01:31:10.180 managed to

01:31:10.640 turn the

01:31:10.980 situation

01:31:11.460 around

01:31:11.880 with

01:31:12.220 Churchill's

01:31:12.900 encouragement.

01:31:14.480 So, you

01:31:14.800 know,

01:31:14.940 Churchill,

01:31:15.540 if I may

01:31:16.200 speak on

01:31:16.620 this subject,

01:31:17.540 people talk

01:31:18.260 about the

01:31:18.620 similarities

01:31:19.240 between

01:31:19.580 Churchill

01:31:19.940 and Donald

01:31:20.740 Trump,

01:31:21.640 and I

01:31:22.340 don't think

01:31:22.760 sometimes

01:31:23.180 that's a

01:31:23.560 bit overblown,

01:31:24.260 but Churchill

01:31:25.180 had his own

01:31:26.200 version of

01:31:26.780 tweets,

01:31:27.700 which was

01:31:28.520 his outbursts,

01:31:30.580 especially in

01:31:31.500 front of the

01:31:31.840 War Council,

01:31:32.620 in which he

01:31:33.020 would denounce

01:31:34.640 India for

01:31:36.700 bothering him

01:31:38.720 about the

01:31:39.280 food shipments

01:31:40.220 and about the

01:31:40.680 need to

01:31:41.060 divert food

01:31:42.760 supplies to

01:31:43.540 India when

01:31:44.100 they were

01:31:44.360 needed for

01:31:47.060 the armed

01:31:47.780 forces,

01:31:48.540 and he was

01:31:49.300 capable of

01:31:49.900 saying some

01:31:50.340 quite shocking

01:31:51.060 things.

01:31:52.060 And so,

01:31:52.940 just as people

01:31:53.800 focus on

01:31:54.760 Trump's

01:31:55.580 Twitter feed

01:31:57.060 and think

01:31:58.240 that that's a

01:31:58.800 clue to

01:31:59.240 understanding his

01:32:00.400 mind and his

01:32:00.960 policies,

01:32:01.980 there's been a

01:32:03.080 tendency to

01:32:03.660 look at

01:32:04.140 Churchill's

01:32:04.840 kind of

01:32:05.460 irritated

01:32:06.000 outbursts.

01:32:06.520 He had a

01:32:06.720 lot in his

01:32:07.140 mind in

01:32:07.660 1943.

01:32:08.820 Yeah, a

01:32:09.220 little bit.

01:32:09.700 A little bit.

01:32:10.480 Yeah, a

01:32:10.800 little bit.

01:32:11.300 And having to

01:32:12.040 deal with a

01:32:12.520 crisis far,

01:32:13.980 far away in

01:32:15.480 a country

01:32:17.800 which was

01:32:18.760 already plunged

01:32:20.480 into chaos

01:32:21.660 because of

01:32:22.180 civil disobedience

01:32:23.260 kind of

01:32:25.320 strained his

01:32:26.700 patience.

01:32:27.340 And so he

01:32:27.840 said things

01:32:28.520 let off steam

01:32:29.340 that historians

01:32:30.620 today,

01:32:31.380 particularly

01:32:31.680 certain Indian

01:32:32.560 historians,

01:32:33.420 capitalize on

01:32:34.300 as a way to

01:32:35.200 promote the

01:32:35.680 idea that

01:32:36.600 Churchill was

01:32:37.980 somehow either

01:32:39.380 responsible for

01:32:40.440 or even the

01:32:41.160 architect of the

01:32:42.240 Great Bengal

01:32:42.960 famine.

01:32:43.400 It was a

01:32:43.640 terrible famine.

01:32:44.580 One and a

01:32:45.100 half million

01:32:45.500 people died.

01:32:46.200 But Churchill's

01:32:48.900 responsibility for

01:32:49.920 this shrinks

01:32:50.900 away when you

01:32:51.640 look at what

01:32:52.780 the real

01:32:53.180 situation was

01:32:54.100 and understand

01:32:54.600 it in the

01:32:55.000 course of the

01:32:56.860 history of

01:32:57.300 India under

01:32:57.900 British rule.

01:32:58.580 Talking to

01:32:59.060 one of my

01:32:59.380 favorite authors

01:33:00.660 and historians,

01:33:01.920 senior fellow

01:33:02.400 of the Hudson

01:33:02.800 Institute,

01:33:03.440 Arthur Herman,

01:33:05.160 author of

01:33:06.100 Freedom's Forge,

01:33:07.320 also Gandhi

01:33:08.700 and Churchill,

01:33:09.680 wouldn't you

01:33:10.400 say that all

01:33:12.340 great men are

01:33:14.280 both good

01:33:16.120 and bad

01:33:16.940 when you

01:33:17.320 look back

01:33:18.020 through the

01:33:18.900 eyes of

01:33:19.420 today's

01:33:20.120 history that

01:33:20.820 there is no

01:33:21.980 perfect man.

01:33:23.340 Gandhi was

01:33:24.360 a racist as

01:33:25.580 well.

01:33:25.980 He didn't

01:33:26.460 see the

01:33:28.160 plight of

01:33:29.320 the Africans,

01:33:31.880 which was

01:33:33.940 very similar

01:33:34.580 to his own

01:33:35.440 in India.

01:33:36.480 He didn't

01:33:36.900 want to be

01:33:37.300 seated on

01:33:37.780 the same

01:33:38.120 train car

01:33:38.720 with an

01:33:40.060 African.

01:33:41.360 Yes,

01:33:41.800 as the

01:33:42.780 derogatory

01:33:43.500 term of

01:33:44.180 the day,

01:33:44.660 the equivalent

01:33:46.780 of the

01:33:47.180 N-word

01:33:47.480 for us

01:33:47.880 kafirs.

01:33:49.320 And Gandhi

01:33:50.480 was fairly

01:33:51.320 contemptuous

01:33:52.020 of the

01:33:52.720 blacks in

01:33:53.860 South Africa.

01:33:55.400 And it

01:33:55.740 explained in

01:33:56.400 the book,

01:33:58.580 he began

01:34:00.160 his civil

01:34:00.620 disobedience

01:34:01.320 campaigns in

01:34:02.760 South Africa

01:34:03.760 to call

01:34:05.880 attention to

01:34:06.480 the plight

01:34:07.000 of Indians

01:34:08.660 living there

01:34:09.980 who he

01:34:10.720 believed,

01:34:11.400 I think

01:34:11.720 correctly,

01:34:12.400 should be

01:34:12.760 treated with

01:34:13.320 the same

01:34:13.760 rights as

01:34:14.600 any other

01:34:15.120 British

01:34:15.400 subject.

01:34:16.300 But his

01:34:16.960 big complaint

01:34:17.720 was that

01:34:18.300 they had

01:34:18.600 been

01:34:18.760 relegated

01:34:19.360 on the

01:34:20.240 other side

01:34:20.700 of the

01:34:20.920 color line

01:34:21.820 away from

01:34:22.460 white

01:34:23.060 inhabitants

01:34:24.580 and citizens

01:34:26.560 in South

01:34:27.160 Africa,

01:34:27.860 but relegated

01:34:28.680 to the

01:34:29.000 same side

01:34:29.660 as South

01:34:31.520 Africa's

01:34:32.020 blacks.

01:34:32.500 He wanted

01:34:33.080 Indians pushed

01:34:33.980 to the

01:34:34.580 correct side,

01:34:35.580 the upper

01:34:35.900 side.

01:34:36.440 Right.

01:34:36.820 With nothing

01:34:37.780 to say

01:34:38.220 about the

01:34:38.700 blacks.

01:34:40.020 Very

01:34:40.320 little to

01:34:40.880 say about

01:34:41.380 that.

01:34:41.680 It was

01:34:41.820 not his

01:34:42.200 concern,

01:34:43.280 and it

01:34:44.180 was not

01:34:44.620 an issue

01:34:45.120 that really

01:34:46.560 motivated his

01:34:48.160 multiple visits

01:34:49.360 with the

01:34:51.080 British

01:34:51.420 regard to

01:34:52.960 the Indian

01:34:53.660 presence in

01:34:54.700 Africa generally.

01:34:56.360 He was a

01:34:57.180 nationalist.

01:34:57.840 I mean,

01:34:58.440 and this is

01:34:58.900 one of the

01:34:59.260 things that I

01:34:59.700 think both

01:35:00.200 he and

01:35:00.600 as I

01:35:00.840 explained in

01:35:01.200 the book,

01:35:01.520 both he

01:35:01.960 and Churchill

01:35:02.720 were both

01:35:03.880 very strong

01:35:05.200 nationalists,

01:35:06.460 and Gandhi

01:35:07.200 has come

01:35:07.740 to be

01:35:08.500 given a

01:35:08.860 kind of

01:35:09.180 this

01:35:09.400 universalist,

01:35:10.720 globalist

01:35:11.460 kind of

01:35:12.380 agenda because

01:35:13.220 of his

01:35:13.540 pacifism and

01:35:14.540 his belief

01:35:15.440 in passive

01:35:15.940 resistance.

01:35:17.100 But he was

01:35:17.520 an Indian

01:35:17.880 nationalist from

01:35:18.580 beginning to

01:35:19.100 end, and

01:35:20.160 that's what

01:35:20.640 drove him,

01:35:21.340 and that was

01:35:23.000 his legacy.

01:35:23.980 So do you

01:35:24.480 walk away

01:35:25.080 feeling the

01:35:25.740 same way

01:35:26.220 about Gandhi

01:35:26.920 and Churchill,

01:35:28.020 that you

01:35:29.740 could just

01:35:30.360 concentrate?

01:35:30.920 What I'm

01:35:31.300 driving towards

01:35:32.000 is we're

01:35:33.220 asking now

01:35:34.440 if America

01:35:35.120 is a good

01:35:35.640 place or a

01:35:36.180 bad place.

01:35:36.700 It's both.

01:35:38.100 It's both.

01:35:38.900 It's what

01:35:39.680 are we getting

01:35:40.540 better or are

01:35:41.500 we getting

01:35:41.840 worse?

01:35:42.440 I think we're

01:35:43.160 getting better

01:35:44.000 in the long

01:35:45.380 term.

01:35:45.860 We're getting

01:35:46.120 much better

01:35:46.820 as a people.

01:35:47.860 But we've

01:35:48.400 done horrible

01:35:49.060 things.

01:35:49.720 We've done

01:35:50.080 really amazing

01:35:51.160 great things.

01:35:52.180 We're neither

01:35:53.400 bad nor good.

01:35:54.800 We're both.

01:35:56.000 And that's

01:35:56.440 what a proper

01:35:57.020 study of history

01:35:57.720 should bring,

01:35:58.360 Glenn, and

01:35:59.360 also of the

01:36:00.400 study of

01:36:00.980 historical figures.

01:36:02.280 I think you're

01:36:02.620 absolutely on the

01:36:03.360 mark here.

01:36:04.120 And you know,

01:36:04.440 I've written

01:36:04.880 about, look

01:36:06.460 at my record

01:36:07.740 of biographies,

01:36:08.600 the Gandhi

01:36:08.980 and Churchill

01:36:09.460 book, my

01:36:10.500 book on

01:36:10.860 Douglas MacArthur,

01:36:12.260 reaching back

01:36:12.940 almost 20

01:36:13.480 years, my

01:36:13.840 book on

01:36:14.180 Joseph McCarthy.

01:36:15.240 You know, I

01:36:15.500 did a book on

01:36:16.040 McCarthy, and

01:36:16.720 what I explained

01:36:17.960 in there was

01:36:18.680 that, yeah,

01:36:19.280 there was a lot

01:36:19.760 of bad about

01:36:20.920 McCarthy.

01:36:21.400 There was a

01:36:21.660 lot of good

01:36:22.240 too.

01:36:22.660 He was on to

01:36:23.560 a real issue,

01:36:25.200 namely the

01:36:25.640 communist

01:36:26.000 conspiracy to

01:36:27.180 subvert the

01:36:27.980 U.S.

01:36:28.720 government, and

01:36:30.340 the way in

01:36:30.740 which it

01:36:31.040 had infiltrated

01:36:31.860 into the

01:36:32.760 federal government

01:36:33.340 in the 1930s

01:36:34.460 and 1940s.

01:36:35.740 But people

01:36:36.460 were outraged

01:36:37.100 because in

01:36:37.860 many cases

01:36:38.360 people want,

01:36:39.440 you know,

01:36:40.200 saints and

01:36:42.200 villains.

01:36:43.420 Yeah.

01:36:43.880 And it's

01:36:45.700 really hard to

01:36:46.380 do, it's

01:36:46.780 really hard

01:36:47.200 with a

01:36:47.500 handful of

01:36:48.360 characters in

01:36:49.840 history, I

01:36:50.300 think you

01:36:50.580 know who

01:36:50.820 they are,

01:36:51.460 it's really

01:36:52.140 hard to find

01:36:52.920 ones in

01:36:53.440 democratic

01:36:54.000 western

01:36:54.760 societies who

01:36:55.680 fit either

01:36:57.380 one of those

01:36:57.980 bills.

01:36:58.300 So let

01:36:59.260 me, let

01:37:00.020 me break

01:37:00.480 here and

01:37:01.000 then I

01:37:01.480 want to

01:37:01.740 pick it

01:37:02.020 up because

01:37:02.520 I think

01:37:03.220 McCarthy is

01:37:03.980 a really

01:37:04.580 great example.

01:37:06.140 I first

01:37:06.640 started reading

01:37:07.200 about McCarthy

01:37:08.280 and, and,

01:37:09.160 and realizing

01:37:10.220 wait a minute,

01:37:10.740 wait a minute,

01:37:11.140 he's not

01:37:11.840 this, this,

01:37:13.400 you know,

01:37:14.100 black cloaked

01:37:15.140 Darth Vader,

01:37:16.360 you know,

01:37:16.940 villain every

01:37:18.600 step of the

01:37:19.260 way.

01:37:19.840 He, he

01:37:20.440 really did

01:37:21.460 have some

01:37:22.140 things right.

01:37:22.920 But if we

01:37:23.620 can't recognize

01:37:24.600 that nuance,

01:37:25.500 because we're

01:37:25.960 now in a

01:37:26.880 society where

01:37:27.940 you're either

01:37:28.720 100% in

01:37:30.320 the boat or

01:37:30.900 on the

01:37:31.240 train, or

01:37:31.940 you're 100%

01:37:33.060 off the

01:37:33.660 train.

01:37:34.540 And that's,

01:37:35.140 that's not

01:37:36.140 where a healthy

01:37:37.100 society should

01:37:38.000 be.

01:37:38.420 We'll, we'll

01:37:39.020 pick it up

01:37:39.500 there when we

01:37:40.260 come back.

01:37:41.120 Arthur Herman,

01:37:42.160 you must read

01:37:43.600 his, his

01:37:44.560 work, especially

01:37:45.620 start with

01:37:46.060 Freedom's Forge.

01:37:46.840 It's just

01:37:47.480 remarkable.

01:37:48.580 We'll talk

01:37:48.900 about it here

01:37:49.360 in just a

01:37:49.780 second.

01:37:53.780 Historian and

01:37:54.760 just fantastic,

01:37:56.460 fantastic Arthur,

01:37:57.560 author, Arthur

01:37:59.240 Herman is with

01:38:00.220 us, he's a

01:38:00.540 senior fellow at

01:38:01.340 the Hudson

01:38:01.900 Institute.

01:38:02.920 He has written

01:38:03.480 The Idea of

01:38:04.100 Decline in the

01:38:04.820 West, MacArthur,

01:38:07.120 1917.

01:38:09.740 I mean, it's

01:38:10.080 about Wilson.

01:38:10.760 You had me at

01:38:11.300 hello.

01:38:12.800 And, and one

01:38:17.000 of my favorite

01:38:17.420 books, Freedom's

01:38:18.620 Forge.

01:38:19.100 Welcome back to

01:38:19.580 the program.

01:38:20.960 It's a pleasure.

01:38:21.640 You know better

01:38:23.000 than most, the

01:38:25.400 one thing we

01:38:26.260 haven't injected

01:38:27.660 into this is

01:38:28.920 real fear, like

01:38:30.580 a war.

01:38:31.600 I mean, you

01:38:32.180 know, you, you

01:38:32.720 wonder how

01:38:33.380 anyone could

01:38:34.440 believe that

01:38:35.040 aliens were

01:38:36.060 attacking, you

01:38:37.840 know, when

01:38:38.300 Orson Welles did

01:38:39.200 War of the Worlds.

01:38:40.020 It wasn't that

01:38:40.980 the medium was,

01:38:42.460 it wasn't just

01:38:43.340 that the medium

01:38:43.860 was new.

01:38:44.520 They were used

01:38:45.680 to hearing all

01:38:46.880 about this

01:38:47.440 foreign enemy

01:38:49.160 that was going

01:38:50.020 to be invading

01:38:50.880 and it, the

01:38:52.280 fear lived, they

01:38:54.880 were living it

01:38:55.500 daily, plus

01:38:57.100 you add into

01:38:58.600 that any kind

01:38:59.560 of economic

01:39:00.080 collapse, we

01:39:01.500 don't have the

01:39:02.300 infrastructure

01:39:02.900 anymore.

01:39:03.520 I mean, the,

01:39:04.280 the personal

01:39:05.220 infrastructure

01:39:06.000 anymore to be

01:39:08.080 the people that

01:39:08.780 we were, that

01:39:09.780 our grandparents

01:39:10.420 were.

01:39:11.620 No, we face

01:39:12.640 some enormous

01:39:13.240 challenges, Glenn,

01:39:14.760 and I've been

01:39:15.440 talking about this,

01:39:16.560 you know, the

01:39:17.260 Freedom's Forge is

01:39:18.140 a book which is

01:39:18.780 now really

01:39:19.740 beginning to

01:39:20.300 grab the

01:39:20.700 attention of

01:39:21.960 policymakers at

01:39:23.220 the Pentagon

01:39:23.660 and elsewhere.

01:39:25.720 And two weeks

01:39:26.340 ago, in fact, I

01:39:27.240 was at a

01:39:29.160 meeting at the

01:39:30.220 National Defense

01:39:31.060 University organized

01:39:32.100 by the Pentagon's

01:39:33.500 Office of Net

01:39:35.060 Assessment, which

01:39:36.340 is the one that

01:39:36.820 looks, that's the

01:39:37.740 office that looks

01:39:38.420 ahead, what's

01:39:39.600 coming up on the

01:39:40.320 horizon, and the

01:39:41.600 discussion was,

01:39:42.500 would the United

01:39:43.140 States be able to

01:39:44.120 mobilize in the

01:39:45.680 event of a

01:39:46.400 protracted conflict

01:39:47.460 with a near-peer

01:39:48.260 competitor.

01:39:49.380 And they brought

01:39:49.940 me there to talk

01:39:50.740 about it.

01:39:51.480 Freedom's Forge has

01:39:52.280 become very much

01:39:53.660 sort of one of the

01:39:55.500 key texts for

01:39:56.840 discussing these

01:39:57.720 issues about

01:39:58.480 mobilization at the

01:39:59.560 Pentagon, also with

01:40:01.420 the White House, and

01:40:03.080 it's very gratifying to

01:40:04.140 see that happen and

01:40:05.040 know that your words

01:40:05.840 can have an impact,

01:40:07.000 you know, on where

01:40:08.740 policy is going.

01:40:10.140 But what I stress to

01:40:11.360 them is I said,

01:40:12.140 look, from the point

01:40:13.440 of view of

01:40:13.840 mobilization, we've got

01:40:14.800 two issues.

01:40:15.440 One is on the

01:40:16.200 technical and

01:40:16.980 industrial side, and

01:40:18.620 there's a host of

01:40:19.680 reasons why this is

01:40:21.260 going to become a

01:40:22.280 challenge.

01:40:23.020 You know, our

01:40:23.300 traditional defense

01:40:24.240 industrial base has

01:40:26.100 decayed.

01:40:26.860 There's no doubt

01:40:27.420 about that.

01:40:28.360 We're going to have

01:40:28.860 to look, in World

01:40:30.560 War II, we had the

01:40:31.900 industrial base that

01:40:32.860 was necessary and

01:40:33.740 sufficient to

01:40:34.780 mobilize.

01:40:35.360 Today, we're going

01:40:35.940 to have to have a

01:40:36.520 global supply chain

01:40:37.740 and look to our

01:40:38.240 allies to help.

01:40:39.540 With the new

01:40:40.360 technologies that

01:40:42.080 underpin weapon

01:40:43.960 systems of the

01:40:44.720 future, AI and

01:40:46.440 quantum technology

01:40:48.340 and 3D printing

01:40:49.900 and robotics,

01:40:52.060 that we're going to

01:40:52.920 have to, this is a

01:40:53.580 whole different way

01:40:54.600 of thinking about

01:40:55.300 what an industrial

01:40:56.080 base is.

01:40:56.800 We'll have to look

01:40:57.220 at commercial

01:40:57.660 companies.

01:40:58.700 But Glenn, the

01:40:59.280 other thing that I

01:40:59.940 stressed to them was

01:41:00.860 the real obstacle

01:41:02.900 we're going to face

01:41:03.740 is not in the

01:41:05.260 industrial economic

01:41:06.400 areas, it's in the

01:41:07.020 cultural area.

01:41:08.180 In World War II,

01:41:09.280 when Bill Newton,

01:41:10.020 as I described

01:41:10.760 in my book, went

01:41:12.800 to meet his

01:41:14.480 fellow colleagues

01:41:15.420 in the auto

01:41:16.200 industry and their

01:41:18.180 suppliers and said,

01:41:19.320 we need you to

01:41:20.080 help build planes,

01:41:21.400 to build parts for

01:41:22.440 planes, to build

01:41:23.240 tanks.

01:41:23.980 They said, Bill,

01:41:25.240 we'll do it.

01:41:26.000 Our country calls

01:41:26.960 and we'll answer.

01:41:27.900 I don't think we

01:41:28.840 have that kind of

01:41:29.740 response from our

01:41:30.600 leading industrial

01:41:31.440 and economic powers

01:41:32.640 today, especially

01:41:33.740 in Silicon Valley.

01:41:36.080 If you look at

01:41:36.760 what Google did

01:41:38.240 with 3,000

01:41:39.800 employees protesting

01:41:41.260 Google's contract

01:41:43.560 to work with

01:41:44.500 the Pentagon

01:41:45.300 on Project

01:41:47.000 Maven and saying,

01:41:47.980 we don't want to

01:41:48.440 go in that way.

01:41:49.660 And then on the

01:41:50.140 other side, you've

01:41:50.980 got Google

01:41:51.560 building in China

01:41:52.940 an AI research

01:41:55.000 center hiring

01:41:55.880 Chinese research

01:41:57.160 scientists who

01:41:59.640 are developing

01:42:00.480 AI.

01:42:01.380 They're going to

01:42:02.040 be using for

01:42:02.760 their military.

01:42:04.020 We have a

01:42:04.460 problem.

01:42:04.860 Arthur, I have

01:42:06.200 to tell you

01:42:06.620 something.

01:42:07.280 You're going to

01:42:08.060 love my new

01:42:08.860 book.

01:42:09.480 You and I

01:42:09.900 should be best

01:42:10.520 friends.

01:42:11.040 I don't know

01:42:11.660 why.

01:42:13.420 You are

01:42:14.540 concerned with

01:42:15.560 exactly the same

01:42:17.100 things I'm

01:42:18.180 concerned about.

01:42:19.540 I know this has

01:42:20.460 taken a long time

01:42:21.280 for some reason.

01:42:22.360 Maybe it's our

01:42:22.840 fault of getting

01:42:23.360 you on the air.

01:42:24.980 But I would

01:42:25.720 love to, A, I'd

01:42:27.140 love to invite you

01:42:27.820 back just to talk

01:42:28.660 about Freedom's

01:42:29.280 Forge.

01:42:29.620 And if we could

01:42:29.980 do that soon,

01:42:30.880 that'd be great

01:42:31.420 if you have time.

01:42:32.120 And I'd also

01:42:33.560 like to bring

01:42:35.120 you down and

01:42:35.940 just spend a few

01:42:36.880 hours with you

01:42:37.740 on air because

01:42:38.600 your voice needs

01:42:41.780 to be heard.

01:42:42.560 You have the

01:42:43.420 history to back

01:42:44.420 it up.

01:42:45.600 And we are

01:42:46.040 facing things.

01:42:47.420 When you start

01:42:48.380 talking about

01:42:49.220 future wars and

01:42:50.980 tech and

01:42:52.380 Silicon Valley,

01:42:53.520 you are right

01:42:54.480 on the money.

01:42:56.120 And I don't

01:42:56.700 know what to

01:42:57.320 do about it.

01:42:58.180 Well, I think

01:42:58.900 we should really

01:42:59.600 talk about this

01:43:00.520 and get your

01:43:01.260 audience involved

01:43:02.000 with this too

01:43:02.420 because we are

01:43:03.160 facing a high

01:43:04.740 tech STEM

01:43:05.720 crisis, you

01:43:06.440 know, science,

01:43:07.080 technology, engineering

01:43:08.020 and math crisis

01:43:08.940 that is really

01:43:10.400 going to affect

01:43:11.200 how we're able

01:43:12.780 to handle

01:43:13.200 national security

01:43:14.020 issues in the

01:43:14.720 next decade.

01:43:15.700 This is something

01:43:16.580 that needs to be

01:43:17.380 addressed now.

01:43:19.100 The Pentagon is

01:43:19.680 getting its mind

01:43:20.500 around it, but we

01:43:21.500 need to get the

01:43:22.020 American public

01:43:22.680 behind it.

01:43:23.880 I've been talking

01:43:24.780 about a Manhattan

01:43:25.520 project for this

01:43:26.440 very thing.

01:43:28.220 We'll hang on

01:43:29.460 the phone.

01:43:29.880 I want to get

01:43:30.200 some information

01:43:30.800 from you and

01:43:31.320 let's book

01:43:32.100 you to spend

01:43:33.720 some more time

01:43:34.300 with us.

01:43:35.160 Arthur Herman,

01:43:36.040 the Hudson

01:43:38.000 Institute, author

01:43:39.680 and historian,

01:43:40.840 read Freedom's

01:43:42.080 Forge.

01:43:42.540 It's fantastic.

01:43:43.700 Read it.

01:43:44.540 Nice.

01:43:45.160 Get a room.

01:43:49.740 He's awesome.

01:43:50.780 Yeah.

01:43:51.180 I mean, it's like

01:43:51.820 he knows everything.

01:43:52.840 Yeah.

01:43:53.340 It's like talking

01:43:54.240 to a smart me.

01:43:55.300 I have no

01:43:57.840 experience with

01:43:58.520 that.

01:43:58.680 That's so weird.

01:43:59.300 I know.

01:43:59.660 It's well, you

01:44:00.040 just heard it.

01:44:00.820 He's a smart me.

01:44:01.760 He's got the facts,

01:44:02.940 you know.

01:44:05.280 Glenn Beck,

01:44:06.920 Mercury.

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