The Glenn Beck Program - 'When Delusion Becomes a Reality'？

00:00:00.000 The Blaze Radio Network, on demand, Glenn Beck.

00:00:08.140 Nobody likes a bully. I mean, even bullies dislike bullies.

00:00:11.600 They dislike themselves, and that is the reason why they're bullies to begin with.

00:00:16.120 They dislike themselves. They don't feel anything.

00:00:20.500 They want other people to feel the same.

00:00:23.660 The left has especially made it their mission to eradicate bullies,

00:00:28.560 which is noble, but I haven't bought it from them,

00:00:34.100 and I don't agree with their tactics of eliminating it.

00:00:38.020 They tend to be blind or unaware of their own habitual bullying.

00:00:42.540 That is the real problem.

00:00:45.300 Ideologically speaking, they're trying to get rid of bullies by being a bully.

00:00:51.260 They will bully anyone who even remotely disagrees with their rigorous code of conduct,

00:00:58.900 even their fellow leftists.

00:01:01.260 They are eating themselves now.

00:01:03.600 As if we need more examples, here's one coming out of Arizona.

00:01:07.220 Arizona congressional candidate, her name is Anna Kirkpatrick.

00:01:12.160 She is a Democrat.

00:01:13.100 She was booed repeatedly, you could say, I guess, bullied,

00:01:18.960 for condemning Maxine Waters' recent call for people to bully Trump administration officials.

00:01:25.700 Yes, she was bullied by the anti-bully people for stating that bullying is wrong.

00:01:34.240 You do the math.

00:01:35.220 She was heckled and booed again when she raised her hand in support of Immigrations and Custom Enforcement, ICE.

00:01:43.060 Listen.

00:01:43.780 So I just want to be really clear.

00:01:45.400 If you would have declared your support for ICE agents without any increased oversight.

00:01:53.380 Would you have supported Democratic leadership in condemning Ms. Waters' comments?

00:02:13.160 She's the only one on this panel of Democrats that raises her hand.

00:02:17.260 What explains this cognitive dissidence?

00:02:23.780 Well, it is this one word, and we all need to learn it, and it is called postmodernism.

00:02:30.440 Obviously, the issue is incredibly complex, but incidents like the one in Arizona will only continue to perplex and annoy us

00:02:41.080 until we get to the root of the problem, which, as I said, is exceedingly complicated,

00:02:45.700 but it is important to understand.

00:02:49.660 We, this is the new progressivism.

00:02:54.240 Progressivism now has been eclipsed.

00:02:57.020 And just like when I said years ago that Woodrow Wilson, you have to understand what happened to Woodrow Wilson

00:03:04.000 and what he did to be able to understand today.

00:03:08.000 You need to now understand postmodernism, because it is what is being fought in our universities and in our media and on the streets.

00:03:19.680 It is the foundation of modern leftism.

00:03:23.060 It was designed by leftist radicals, and nearly every single one of its followers is radically left-leaning.

00:03:30.600 It is what allows for the nonsensical world that they have created around them.

00:03:36.480 Stephen Hicks, he wrote this great book called Explaining Postmodernism that everybody should read.

00:03:42.800 Quote,

00:03:43.020 Postmodernism is not a leap of faith for the academic left, but instead a clear-eyed political strategy that uses relativism but doesn't believe it.

00:03:55.380 This relativism is what they, what allows them to get away with the contradictions that we all see.

00:04:01.500 And we're like, wait a minute, that doesn't make any sense.

00:04:03.300 They know that.

00:04:04.500 Hicks, again, quote,

00:04:07.360 Contradiction is a psychological form of destruction, but contradictions sometimes do not matter psychologically to those who live them,

00:04:18.880 because for them, ultimately, nothing matters, end quote.

00:04:25.600 Postmodernists have developed a system without any logic or any reason, and it is what your children are being taught.

00:04:33.300 It is the political and cultural equivalent of a boxer putting razor blades in his boxing gloves.

00:04:41.800 Much of what allows them to get away with this rhetoric is this, part of what Hicks describes as Machiavellian postmodernism.

00:04:54.100 He says,

00:04:54.700 Machiavellian postmodernists say they want equal respect for all cultures, but that's not what they want.

00:05:00.680 What they really want in the long run is to suppress the classic liberal capitalist one, end quote.

00:05:10.200 That's it.

00:05:11.760 That's what's behind all of this.

00:05:13.760 So now, are we going to engage in the same kind of postmodernist hypocrisy, where there is no truth, there is no right or wrong?

00:05:27.600 Leftists want to take down capitalism and the Western world and conservatives and classic liberal principles.

00:05:36.960 They're going to do whatever they have to do to accomplish this delusional goal.

00:05:42.180 But if we're not careful, that delusion becomes a reality.

00:05:47.920 Bullying becomes the norm.

00:05:50.080 And the real bullies don't stop until the world as we know it is smoldering in a pile of ashes.

00:05:58.880 It's Monday, July 23rd.

00:06:09.700 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:06:14.340 Well, welcome back to Mr. Stubergeer.

00:06:16.840 Hello, Steve.

00:06:17.520 Very happy to be back.

00:06:18.560 How are you?

00:06:18.920 Thank you.

00:06:19.560 Good.

00:06:19.920 Right out of the pile of ashes.

00:06:21.300 Right out of the pile of ashes.

00:06:22.360 Right back into it.

00:06:23.780 Yeah.

00:06:24.120 Yeah.

00:06:24.660 Yeah.

00:06:24.860 So it's been an interesting weekend for me.

00:06:29.100 And I don't know.

00:06:30.180 Do you follow me on Twitter?

00:06:31.220 I do.

00:06:31.820 Yeah.

00:06:32.420 So I don't know if you I felt very alone this weekend.

00:06:37.260 Stu, very alone.

00:06:39.600 Because I begin to question myself and then I have to go back and read everything.

00:06:45.560 And I'm like, no, no, I think I'm right.

00:06:47.960 I think I'm right.

00:06:49.160 Is this on the James Gunn situation?

00:06:51.040 Yes.

00:06:52.200 You follow that?

00:06:53.240 I did.

00:06:53.780 Yes.

00:06:54.920 Where do you stand on that?

00:06:56.420 I would just stand actually completely with you on this.

00:06:59.160 Oh, my God.

00:06:59.900 Because, you know, I'm amazed by it.

00:07:03.560 You know, this idea that, you know, that and this goes back a long way from a he's a moron,

00:07:10.400 by the way, James Gunn.

00:07:11.700 I mean, in many ways, he came out and was critical of Ben Shapiro on.

00:07:17.060 Well, I mean, let me start at the very beginning.

00:07:18.720 Yeah.

00:07:18.960 Let me start at the very beginning.

00:07:19.780 Last week, what happened was, what's his name?

00:07:26.240 A friend of ours, Mark Duplass.

00:07:28.480 Mark Duplass is a Hollywood lefty, a very good filmmaker, but he's a lefty.

00:07:35.220 But he's at least an honest lefty.

00:07:38.020 He's trying to understand.

00:07:40.240 Okay.

00:07:41.480 And he was doing a documentary on guns.

00:07:45.720 And so he said, I really want to understand.

00:07:49.060 He's not a gun person.

00:07:49.960 He said, I really want to understand why the Second Amendment people are why they really

00:07:57.200 believe what they believe.

00:07:58.880 And he said, I could have gone just to the old tropes and I could have just, I could have

00:08:03.160 asked the left, why is it these gun nuts are gun nuts?

00:08:07.060 Because they're nuts.

00:08:08.920 Okay.

00:08:10.260 Instead.

00:08:10.960 Problem solved.

00:08:11.700 Right.

00:08:11.900 Instead, he lives down the street from Ben Shapiro and he said, Ben, can I come over and

00:08:18.480 talk to you?

00:08:19.080 So Ben spent like two hours with him and they had a great conversation and he explained the

00:08:25.560 Second Amendment to a guy who's never heard the explanation of the Second Amendment from

00:08:31.800 somebody who actually believes in it.

00:08:35.220 Really good, right?

00:08:36.840 Supposed to be what conservatives are doing, right?

00:08:39.260 Trying to convince others that their opinions are right.

00:08:42.540 And what we're all wanting to happen, be open enough to have somebody that's making a documentary

00:08:51.660 not go to the standard, just open up the file of nuts and just pull some stuff out.

00:08:57.740 So they pull Alex Jones out as the gun rights advocate.

00:09:00.620 Want to find out what the truth is.

00:09:03.180 So he does.

00:09:04.660 So then Ben doesn't say anything on the air and Mark just tweets, hey, I've been

00:09:12.520 I've been working on something and this guy who had no reason to be nice to me was very

00:09:18.600 nice.

00:09:18.920 I think he's a really nice and sincere guy.

00:09:21.360 If you really lefties, if you want to open up your mind, you should follow Ben Shapiro.

00:09:30.660 Hello, celebrate, right?

00:09:33.340 Victory.

00:09:34.160 That is opening up both worlds to new ideas that should be celebrated.

00:09:40.440 Okay, well, it wasn't celebrated by the left.

00:09:43.820 The left came out last week and started hammering Ben Shapiro.

00:09:49.500 And what did they do?

00:09:50.400 They took out old tweets as something.

00:09:53.840 One of them was from like when he was 17 years old.

00:09:57.000 Okay, 17.

00:09:58.720 And Ben even has said years ago, this was a huge mistake.

00:10:03.560 And, you know, I was 17 and I was stupid, but didn't didn't bother the left.

00:10:09.400 They took out all this old stuff.

00:10:11.480 They took stuff out of context.

00:10:12.920 They painted him into a monster.

00:10:14.980 Now, it was it took courage for Mark to plus to to suggest to his followers that you listen

00:10:23.860 to Ben Shapiro, it would have been heroic for him then to actually stand against the mob.

00:10:32.120 But he didn't.

00:10:33.240 He folded.

00:10:34.460 And one of the guys he folded to was James Gunn.

00:10:38.040 Now, James Gunn is a guy who did the Guardians of the Galaxy movies.

00:10:44.600 He's he was working on the third one for Disney.

00:10:48.260 Now, I don't know anything at all about James Gunn.

00:10:52.720 Nothing.

00:10:53.460 I like his Guardians of the Galaxy movies, but keep that singular.

00:10:58.180 Will you let's be honest about it.

00:10:59.680 The second one was terrible.

00:11:00.760 I liked him.

00:11:01.560 I liked him both.

00:11:02.280 But anyway, so but that's not a reason to support somebody.

00:11:07.360 No, I mean, you can like their work.

00:11:08.860 Yeah, I like their work and despise them.

00:11:10.800 You know what I mean?

00:11:11.580 So we don't agree on anything.

00:11:16.760 Now, James Gunn is the guy who really kind of whipped everybody up into a frenzy.

00:11:22.740 He's the guy very good at smearing, apparently.

00:11:25.960 And he's the guy who took the old Ben Shapiro stuff and he put it out.

00:11:32.900 And he said, look, look, he's crazy.

00:11:34.920 He's a racist.

00:11:36.380 OK, out of context and wrong.

00:11:41.580 So now what does the right decide to do?

00:11:46.820 The right decides something that everybody's been saying for a long time.

00:11:51.560 You got to hit back.

00:11:53.940 But I believe you hit back with rules.

00:11:59.140 Glenn, that never works.

00:12:01.100 Well, OK.

00:12:02.260 All right.

00:12:02.700 So what happened?

00:12:05.760 The right took his stuff, old stuff, and intentionally took it out of context.

00:12:14.580 First of all, he wrote some really disgusting stuff.

00:12:18.940 They were jokes.

00:12:20.320 He's not posting pedophilia, you know, videos.

00:12:25.800 And he's not a pedophile that I know of.

00:12:29.240 And he's just he's writing some bad jokes.

00:12:33.220 He's a joke writer.

00:12:35.840 He also admittedly is a very dark joke writer.

00:12:40.280 OK, so he writes these jokes.

00:12:43.760 This like in 2009, he comes out after and not recently years and years ago, 2012, 2012.

00:12:51.200 He comes out and he says, you know, I've had this awakening and these jokes.

00:12:57.860 I've made these for years and they're just not funny.

00:13:00.680 And I don't want to be this way.

00:13:02.480 And I think I'll be a better person if I don't do these kinds of things.

00:13:07.460 OK, these write these kinds of jokes.

00:13:09.820 And this was not under pressure, by the way.

00:13:11.920 This was just him coming to a pivot point.

00:13:14.840 Life change, right?

00:13:15.680 Correct.

00:13:16.140 And he he states it on the record.

00:13:19.560 I think I'll be a better person for not doing this.

00:13:24.820 So the right takes these forgets the pivot point and they go after him.

00:13:32.480 And he loses his job at Disney.

00:13:37.340 OK, so how I mean, are we are we officially on witch hunts now?

00:13:42.280 Is this our is this our deal?

00:13:44.240 Is this what we want to happen now?

00:13:46.300 Do we want to start getting people fired?

00:13:48.560 Because we've always hated that.

00:13:50.560 We've always thought that was wrong.

00:13:52.780 But is that what we're going to do now?

00:13:55.480 Some people will say yes until they learn their lesson.

00:14:00.320 OK, well, that's going to be, you know, let's just dip our toe into fascism.

00:14:06.100 But let's make sure we don't get into the pool.

00:14:08.340 Is that what that is?

00:14:11.620 Good luck on stopping that once you feel feel the power.

00:14:16.560 Once you once you feel the power of the dark side, good luck on pulling yourself out.

00:14:24.420 So that I can understand, not endorse, but I can understand.

00:14:29.880 But that's not what happened.

00:14:31.940 The right publishes this.

00:14:33.880 I think it came from the Daily Caller and people go crazy.

00:14:38.000 They go crazy.

00:14:40.080 By Saturday night, people are tweeting this guy should be in jail.

00:14:45.100 This guy is a child molester.

00:14:48.320 No, no, he's not a child molester that we know of.

00:14:52.820 There's no reason to believe he is.

00:14:54.260 There's no reason to believe that.

00:14:55.440 Now, if a victim stands up and says, yes, that's when we can look and say he's been accused.

00:15:04.340 But we are not even taking innocent until proven guilty.

00:15:09.420 He's not even innocent before there's a victim.

00:15:13.380 There's nobody accusing him.

00:15:15.000 There's nobody accusing him.

00:15:16.780 Correct.

00:15:17.280 All right.

00:15:17.440 So that's where it was left on Saturday night when I started to get a little pissy about it.

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00:16:54.440 Okay, so Mark Duplass, last week, tweets,

00:17:03.040 Hey, people on the left, you follow me, you should follow Ben Shapiro.

00:17:08.040 He gets mugged by his own mob, and he, you know, no deed goes unpunished.

00:17:16.080 No good deed goes unpunished.

00:17:17.260 He is, he's mugged, he relents, and one of the guys who was chief among the Shapiro muggers

00:17:25.140 was a guy named James Gunn.

00:17:27.480 James Gunn is then mugged by the right, and he loses his job.

00:17:33.020 Ben Shapiro then writes an article about James Gunn and says,

00:17:38.860 This guy should not have been fired.

00:17:40.960 Okay, so he's defending the guy who mugged him.

00:17:47.400 So, I write, I tweet, James Gunn, I'll stand with you.

00:17:51.560 We all make mistakes, but we have to come together as each of us grow and change.

00:17:56.020 Forgive others in hopes that they will forgive themselves and others as well.

00:18:01.460 Reach beyond your comfort zone and be kind.

00:18:04.240 You don't need my forgiveness, but I offer friendship.

00:18:07.260 Well, then, then I'm, then I start to become a child molester, apparently.

00:18:14.560 There you go again, Beck.

00:18:16.400 And I respond, if you mean standing up for justice only to have my head kicked in,

00:18:20.960 yep, it is what I do, apparently.

00:18:23.240 You should try it sometime.

00:18:25.040 It's not fun, but it is what people who actually mean the words of the Bill of Rights do.

00:18:31.540 Um, have you read through all of this pedo and rape tweets?

00:18:37.520 It's pretty sick and messed up.

00:18:40.200 Yes.

00:18:41.260 Yes, I have.

00:18:42.920 Somebody else writes, Glenn, you should have set this one out.

00:18:45.500 You're trying too hard.

00:18:47.500 I refuse to sit when others are wrongly accused and destroyed.

00:18:51.480 First, they came for the trade unionist.

00:18:54.180 Do you remember?

00:18:55.040 Uh, no, Glenn saying two plus two equals five is a mistake saying red plus blue equals orange

00:19:02.040 is a mistake.

00:19:02.860 What gun did was no mistake.

00:19:05.160 Not totally sure what it was.

00:19:07.840 You're not totally sure what it was, but it was no mistake.

00:19:12.420 They were jokes.

00:19:13.460 That's what they were.

00:19:14.160 Yeah, that's what they were.

00:19:15.720 Great.

00:19:16.160 I love this stand a stance.

00:19:17.820 I'm not sure what it was, but off with his head.

00:19:20.020 Uh, it was a number of very dark jokes followed by an apology in 2012 years of not joking

00:19:26.380 like that only to be fired because of a mob.

00:19:28.880 I know he started it, but must we become that which we despise?

00:19:35.200 Ooh, justice is justice.

00:19:38.000 Glenn, Glenn, you're consistently on the wrong side of things.

00:19:41.880 It's the reason you're irrelevant.

00:19:43.300 I am.

00:19:43.980 I'm shocked that you have any audience more considering how long you've been, how many times you've

00:19:49.400 been wrong?

00:19:50.180 Yep.

00:19:50.660 I respond.

00:19:51.680 Me too.

00:19:52.640 Fortunately, there are more people like me than you.

00:19:55.600 Mobs and bullies often show up.

00:19:58.140 We saw them in grade schools, but it only takes a few that are willing to stand up to change

00:20:04.260 the world.

00:20:07.360 All right.

00:20:08.940 Welcome to the program.

00:20:10.320 All right.

00:20:10.740 Now look, we need to have actual conversations, not knee jerk conversations, but if, you know,

00:20:22.520 the, the, the, the, the declaration of independence and the bill of rights was, was written for

00:20:28.600 a serious people.

00:20:31.160 It's not written for, you know, people who are just in an argument at a bar going, that's

00:20:38.260 not what this is about.

00:20:39.560 So many of the arguments that formed it were actually made in bars.

00:20:42.300 Yes.

00:20:42.880 Oddly.

00:20:43.340 Correct.

00:20:43.760 Yes.

00:20:44.180 Um, uh, most of them were made in churches.

00:20:46.860 Yes.

00:20:47.080 However, from the pulpit.

00:20:48.580 Um, so this is a serious conversation and it revolves around who do you want to be?

00:20:57.520 What are we?

00:20:58.920 What do you want the future to be?

00:21:00.700 Now I know it feels good to win, feels good to win, but you can't dip your toe into fascism.

00:21:13.160 And I, I mean, I, I hate to keep going back to star Wars, but you can't feel the power of

00:21:19.440 the dark side and then go, I'm only going to use this on weekends.

00:21:23.940 You will eventually be consumed by the dark side.

00:21:29.900 So once you feel the power, you are not going to let it go because it's fun to destroy apparently.

00:21:39.800 And is it a win?

00:21:40.920 I mean, is this a win?

00:21:41.960 No.

00:21:42.760 Where you're what?

00:21:43.580 It's not for the constitution.

00:21:45.480 You're getting a guy fired from a movie that made jokes.

00:21:48.780 Like, I mean, I guess you're punishing him for some wrong that he's done, which I think

00:21:53.480 is, I think it's legitimate.

00:21:54.720 He was completely wrong on the Ben Shapiro thing.

00:21:57.080 And, and, but I mean, is that the win that you feel?

00:22:00.800 Cause it's, it didn't do anything for you.

00:22:02.840 It didn't do anything for quote unquote, our side.

00:22:05.460 It just punished someone for doing something that we don't like.

00:22:10.020 So now people will say, well, where were you on, on Roseanne bar?

00:22:13.000 Same place.

00:22:13.560 I don't think I'm glad that she is no longer around, but it's a selfish reason.

00:22:20.900 Honestly, here's my reason.

00:22:22.260 I'm glad Roseanne's not around because I'm afraid that.

00:22:26.680 Too many people, and this is really wrong of me.

00:22:29.820 And I know this, I'm afraid too many people would have started liking what she said.

00:22:35.740 And then, and thinking, well, she speaks for me.

00:22:39.440 She's a crazy person.

00:22:42.960 She is a crazy communist who has called for the guillotine on bankers.

00:22:50.140 And she wasn't joking.

00:22:53.160 Okay.

00:22:53.360 She's crazy.

00:22:54.320 She should not have been anywhere near a television room in the first place.

00:23:00.560 And my selfish reasoning for that is I'm glad she's not around because her association was

00:23:07.380 became with the right.

00:23:08.620 That's what I mean.

00:23:09.240 Like it's, it's frustrating to see her out there as a spokesperson of conservatism.

00:23:13.600 She's not this person who ran as a socialist for president of the United States in 2012.

00:23:19.020 Right.

00:23:19.360 She's not, she's not helping.

00:23:21.060 No, she's not helping.

00:23:22.120 So that was my selfish reason.

00:23:24.220 But my, if, if I had to make the decision, if I'm Ben Sherwood and I'm sitting at ABC,

00:23:30.820 I don't hire her in the first place.

00:23:32.680 Right.

00:23:33.220 But he did.

00:23:34.820 Okay.

00:23:35.780 Now, what are you going to do?

00:23:37.020 Well, now you have to answer your shareholders.

00:23:39.640 Disney doesn't allow anything to hurt the mouse.

00:23:41.640 So of course, Disney fires her.

00:23:43.260 Of course.

00:23:44.260 And they have every right to fire her.

00:23:46.060 The same thing with James Gunn.

00:23:47.800 What is he going to do?

00:23:48.820 They don't want another, they don't want another hassle.

00:23:51.580 They don't want to be saying that they've got somebody who's a pedophile and blah, blah, blah.

00:23:55.500 So, because that's what the right is saying.

00:23:57.560 So they fire him.

00:23:59.060 Well, you know, first they come for the trade unionist.

00:24:02.360 Then they come for somebody else that you're not a part of group of.

00:24:05.820 And then somebody else.

00:24:06.660 And then somebody else.

00:24:07.220 By the time they come for you, there's nobody left.

00:24:09.460 That's what that poem means.

00:24:13.280 You have to stand for the person you are not with.

00:24:18.940 And you better do it early.

00:24:22.900 I tend to agree with what you're saying here.

00:24:26.560 You know, this idea, this is, I think, the most interesting conversation that we should be having on the right right now.

00:24:36.960 Which is this, and this is all from our perspective.

00:24:41.100 The left introduces a ridiculous new standard.

00:24:45.420 A standard of behavior.

00:24:47.720 Okay?

00:24:48.060 Whether it's, this was the easiest example since we're talking about it, that old jokes should be, or old comments that are taken out of context, some of which you've already apologized for, should be brought up multiple years later to get you fired from your current job.

00:25:03.360 Okay?

00:25:03.860 There's that standard.

00:25:04.620 The left brought that up with Ben Shapiro.

00:25:06.860 All right?

00:25:07.520 So you should, Ben Shapiro should be targeted because of these old comments.

00:25:11.160 And we all agree, and we get defensive of Ben Shapiro and say, that standard is ridiculous.

00:25:17.180 We shouldn't use that standard.

00:25:18.920 It's a dumb standard.

00:25:20.460 And Ben should not have these problems.

00:25:22.640 And we all agree, on the right, that that is a dumb way of doing business.

00:25:26.900 Okay?

00:25:28.220 The question is, we have a part in the road at that time.

00:25:31.380 Do we say and try to make the point that you can use this against anybody and you can, and it's wrong to use, and we should stand up for James Gunn, even though we don't like James Gunn, he's a bad guy.

00:25:47.460 He tried to take down Ben Shapiro.

00:25:50.080 Right.

00:25:50.180 He was the guy who led that.

00:25:51.920 So should we stand up for him and say, look, we think this standard is bad, and therefore we should not apply it to James Gunn.

00:25:59.500 And here's the point, liberals, understand this.

00:26:01.780 It shouldn't be applied here, because we can apply this to everybody, and we should make a stance here on principle.

00:26:07.520 The standard you've tried to implement is wrong, and I'm standing up against it.

00:26:11.660 Okay.

00:26:11.800 Or do we go the other way and codify the standard and say, you have set the standard, liberals, we're letting you control the way this is all going to be litigated.

00:26:23.500 You have set the standard, therefore we're using that standard, and we're going to attack everyone on the left with the same crappy standard we say we don't like.

00:26:31.980 And that is a real argument in right-leaning conservative media right now.

00:26:37.360 So here is the argument.

00:26:39.100 I would be more open to that argument if everyone knew that that's what we were doing.

00:26:47.280 But that's not what happened.

00:26:48.960 No.

00:26:49.580 You know, if everybody on the right said, look, this is a ridiculous standard, and you said these things about Ben Shapiro, so look what we can do.

00:26:57.840 You said these things, well, you said this in 2008, what a bad person you are, okay?

00:27:06.820 Except what happened was the right started this, and then it just spiraled out of control.

00:27:13.960 I would bet most people, if they even know about the James Gunn thing, most people think that this has nothing to do with Ben Shapiro and Mark Duplass.

00:27:27.840 Remember, this started with Mark Duplass trying to do the right thing by saying, hey, we should open up our minds and listen to each other, okay?

00:27:39.760 That's what started this.

00:27:42.800 Most people don't even know that.

00:27:45.260 They just see this guy who was working for Disney, he's making all these pedophile jokes.

00:27:50.000 And nobody makes pedophile jokes.

00:27:53.080 Those are, you gotta be a pedophile to make pedophile jokes.

00:27:56.720 Yeah, and first of all, that's a completely ridiculous point.

00:27:59.020 This idea, and the right embraces this even more than the left.

00:28:02.360 There are not areas, there aren't areas that you have to avoid with comedy.

00:28:07.200 There are no exceptions to this.

00:28:09.300 The Producers is a comedy about glorifying the legacy of the Holocaust.

00:28:16.200 Is there any darker thing than that?

00:28:20.400 Glorifying the rounding up of Jews and Hitler.

00:28:23.180 And Hitler.

00:28:24.160 And murdering them.

00:28:25.880 It's a comedy about that.

00:28:28.340 If you can cross that line, you can cross any line.

00:28:30.580 Well, that's only because Mel Brooks hates Jews.

00:28:33.720 No, he doesn't.

00:28:34.640 Yeah, he was just doing this because he secretly hates Jews and loves Hitler.

00:28:39.100 Yeah, I mean, it's absurd.

00:28:41.960 We all know that's not true.

00:28:43.180 Yes.

00:28:43.580 And we all know what his motivation is.

00:28:45.980 Because, you know, in the darkest parts of life, lives the best comedy many times.

00:28:54.140 And the idea that you can't go to certain areas for comedy is something that unfunny people say.

00:28:59.140 Yeah.

00:28:59.320 And who are you to judge?

00:29:01.960 You judge for you.

00:29:03.920 Right.

00:29:04.340 If you want to listen to that stuff, fine.

00:29:06.420 If not, fine.

00:29:07.200 I mean, two shows, huge hits on the air right now.

00:29:10.640 Two of the longest running comedies on television right now.

00:29:15.020 It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia and Family Guy.

00:29:18.200 Both of them feature prominent characters that run throughout the entire series that are clearly pedophiles.

00:29:26.080 And they constantly are making pedophile jokes.

00:29:29.560 They are constantly, Herbert and Family Guy is constantly creeping up on Peter's son.

00:29:34.520 And it's clear his intent constantly is to molest children.

00:29:38.280 That is his entire role in the series is to make pedophile jokes all the time.

00:29:43.720 And by the way, he's one of the most beloved characters on the show and is hilarious.

00:29:48.280 Jack Kelly, Charlie Kelly's uncle, he's known for two things.

00:29:54.640 One, having very abnormally small hands.

00:29:57.800 And two, clearly has at some point either molested Charlie or really wanted to molest Charlie and has molested many other children.

00:30:06.780 Now, that does not mean, does not mean we think child molestation, the actual act, is funny.

00:30:15.020 The joke is about how ridiculous these people and characters are.

00:30:20.600 It's mocking these things.

00:30:22.720 Was Mel Brooks, for example, was Mel Brooks glorifying the Holocaust?

00:30:27.400 No, he was mocking it, and he was mocking more than that.

00:30:31.000 The lengths a desperate person in desperate need of money would go to to line his pockets, right?

00:30:41.520 This bad person who would make a play glorifying Hitler to try to come up with the worst play.

00:30:46.880 But he was also taking the power away from Hitler.

00:30:50.400 By making pedophile jokes, it takes the power away from the pedophile.

00:30:58.660 Now, you can say that it normalizes it, and you know what?

00:31:03.780 You're probably right if it wasn't creepy.

00:31:09.700 It is.

00:31:10.500 If the characters are creepy, it doesn't normalize it.

00:31:14.460 If they're fun and you love them because they're funny

00:31:18.120 and you don't find what they're doing or talking about

00:31:21.080 when they're talking about wanting to molest a kid creepy,

00:31:23.900 then it normalizes.

00:31:26.080 Right, and we talked about this with Plural Marriage, right?

00:31:29.760 There have been shows that have glorified it and made it seem normal,

00:31:33.460 and it's tried to normalize the behavior, right?

00:31:36.540 That is not what is happening with these characters

00:31:39.800 or the jokes that have been made.

00:31:42.060 They're creepy.

00:31:42.780 They make you feel internally awful, which is what's kind of funny.

00:31:46.280 It's cringe humor, right?

00:31:47.940 It makes you immediately repel from it,

00:31:50.460 and there is nothing wrong with that.

00:31:53.700 How many times have you heard a comedian make a joke

00:31:56.040 and then the audience groans and they say,

00:31:59.400 oh, really? Too far?

00:32:00.820 That one was too far?

00:32:02.880 That's what these are.

00:32:05.380 Now, you don't have to listen to them.

00:32:07.720 You don't have to like them.

00:32:09.180 I don't like them.

00:32:10.640 I don't like them.

00:32:11.240 But I'm a guy with a very dark sense of humor.

00:32:14.880 Yes.

00:32:15.460 Only my friends and my family know how dark my humor is.

00:32:22.020 It used to come out on the air a lot,

00:32:25.260 but it doesn't anymore because no one has a freaking sense of humor.

00:32:31.040 Nobody can handle it.

00:32:33.820 And it's not the right that can handle it.

00:32:36.660 It's the left.

00:32:37.480 It's the left that can't happen.

00:32:39.040 These are all left-wing tactics.

00:32:40.180 Correct.

00:32:40.500 Which, again, that's, I think, the central point is.

00:32:43.080 These are all left-wing tactics.

00:32:44.560 That used to be something we weren't proud of.

00:32:47.220 As conservatives, we wouldn't want to use the left-wing tactics.

00:32:51.460 We wouldn't want to embrace them

00:32:53.040 because it's one of the things we don't like about progressivism.

00:32:56.280 Media matters.

00:32:56.880 I mean, people are like,

00:32:57.540 oh, well, James Gunn, I can't believe he's being targeted.

00:32:59.660 These are, it's just media matters.

00:33:01.740 They're just doing what media matters has done

00:33:03.660 for years and years and years and years.

00:33:04.920 It's the exact same, I believe, crappy tactic.

00:33:08.940 Yeah.

00:33:09.240 Taking things out of context intentionally.

00:33:11.400 Using things in ways that we know they weren't intended.

00:33:15.040 And that is something that we, for years and years,

00:33:18.620 have looked down upon as what a pathetic,

00:33:21.040 use of your time.

00:33:22.380 Yes, but Stu, it works.

00:33:23.920 And we're losing.

00:33:25.260 Well, I will tell you this.

00:33:26.960 You will train yourself to think that way.

00:33:30.600 You will train yourself to think.

00:33:32.760 If you win by using those tactics,

00:33:36.120 then you will have to become a fascist

00:33:39.660 to hold on to your power.

00:33:42.380 The only reason, they have nothing.

00:33:44.800 They have nothing.

00:33:45.800 They're not convincing.

00:33:47.260 They're not winning the hearts over people.

00:33:48.680 They are indoctrinating and they are bullying.

00:33:52.420 We have the right message.

00:33:55.720 We are bringing people over from the left.

00:33:59.800 They are coming, not from the far left.

00:34:02.240 Democrats are coming.

00:34:03.980 The people from the, that consider themselves

00:34:06.340 classic liberals who have always found a home

00:34:09.440 with the Democrats are coming.

00:34:11.820 They're not coming to the, to the Republicans.

00:34:14.020 They are coming and saying, I can't live this way.

00:34:18.300 It doesn't make any sense.

00:34:19.980 We must show them there is a different way.

00:34:24.180 And that way is the bill of rights.

00:34:28.360 And if you don't stand for someone's right

00:34:32.580 to, to say things that are horrible,

00:34:37.580 to believe things that you disagree with,

00:34:42.120 then the bill of rights mean nothing.

00:34:44.860 Well, the government bill of rights

00:34:46.440 only for the government.

00:34:47.820 The bill of rights is a principle that we all hold.

00:34:51.900 Bill of rights should be what we look to and say,

00:34:55.500 yes, that is our governmental manifestation

00:34:58.440 of what we believe.

00:35:01.700 If we don't practice it in our own homes

00:35:04.320 and in our own lives,

00:35:05.900 they are certainly never going to enforce it

00:35:09.680 in government.

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00:36:21.580 I'm not sure who you root for in this.

00:36:27.660 A case between Facebook

00:36:31.180 and the New York Times.

00:36:35.040 One is calling for more regulation.

00:36:37.760 The other is saying no.

00:36:40.000 Which one is on the right side?

00:36:43.180 When we come back.

00:36:47.000 Glenn Beck.

00:36:48.040 Back.

00:36:48.780 Okay.

00:36:49.240 We are still on the air.

00:36:50.680 We don't know if our transmitters

00:36:53.100 are still on.

00:36:54.380 We're not sure.

00:36:55.900 We've been in our fallout shelter

00:36:57.920 for over a month now.

00:37:00.400 America,

00:37:01.100 if you can still hear us.

00:37:03.580 Hello.

00:37:04.540 There are humans alive.

00:37:06.920 We are in a bunker.

00:37:08.080 I don't want to give you our location.

00:37:09.520 We don't know if anyone,

00:37:11.540 especially the enemy,

00:37:12.940 might be listening.

00:37:15.120 Have planes fallen from the sky?

00:37:17.280 We don't know.

00:37:18.040 We're still in our underground.

00:37:19.200 Have skyscrapers fallen like dead trees?

00:37:21.720 We're sure of it.

00:37:23.040 People are probably above,

00:37:25.560 just above us,

00:37:26.700 in the cities above us,

00:37:28.080 are resorting to cannibalism,

00:37:30.560 or even worse,

00:37:32.820 capitalism.

00:37:34.560 Now,

00:37:35.000 if I would have listened to the left,

00:37:39.620 that's probably the broadcast

00:37:43.020 I'd be giving today,

00:37:44.380 because the apocalypse happened

00:37:47.180 on December 14th,

00:37:48.800 2017.

00:37:52.040 Where were you?

00:37:53.240 Do you remember?

00:37:54.180 Do you remember where you were

00:37:55.240 December 17th,

00:37:56.600 when the apocalypse happened,

00:37:58.320 and they repealed net neutrality?

00:38:01.120 I'll never forget,

00:38:02.660 or I'll always forget,

00:38:03.920 because I didn't remember.

00:38:06.600 People didn't realize

00:38:07.740 that the apocalypse,

00:38:09.600 in fact,

00:38:10.180 did not happen,

00:38:13.340 mainly because some of them

00:38:15.320 have to have been bunkered,

00:38:16.940 you know,

00:38:17.300 in a safe room,

00:38:18.080 and pulled their

00:38:19.380 Women's March beanies

00:38:20.660 over their eyes.

00:38:22.400 I'm only

00:38:22.920 slightly joking.

00:38:25.380 If you used the internet

00:38:26.720 in November or December

00:38:27.740 last year,

00:38:28.400 especially social media

00:38:29.380 platforms of Twitter

00:38:31.100 and Reddit,

00:38:32.340 you were inundated

00:38:33.640 with alarmist rhetoric

00:38:35.420 about how appealing,

00:38:36.920 repealing net neutrality

00:38:38.400 is going to be a death blow

00:38:39.640 to modern civilization.

00:38:41.480 For a solid month,

00:38:44.300 the entirety of Reddit

00:38:45.460 was full of the appeals.

00:38:46.960 ACLU warned

00:38:48.360 the repeal could lead

00:38:49.580 to the erosion

00:38:50.120 of the biggest free speech

00:38:51.600 platform the world

00:38:52.680 has ever known.

00:38:53.900 My gosh,

00:38:54.640 look at it.

00:38:56.520 Net neutrality

00:38:57.100 is supposed to be

00:38:57.600 Obama's biggest achievement,

00:39:00.660 crowning jewel,

00:39:02.980 right there next to healthcare.

00:39:05.340 It would ensure

00:39:06.020 that the internet

00:39:06.660 remained free

00:39:07.640 and opened

00:39:08.340 by being regulated

00:39:11.020 by a bloated government.

00:39:13.160 Makes sense to me.

00:39:14.840 When net neutrality

00:39:16.000 was repealed,

00:39:16.960 it was as if Trump

00:39:18.300 was being elected

00:39:20.420 all over again.

00:39:21.720 Oh my God!

00:39:24.260 It's the end of the world!

00:39:27.960 There was Kavanaugh

00:39:29.540 and tax cuts!

00:39:32.860 Net neutrality!

00:39:34.920 It's been a tough year.

00:39:37.120 They can't handle

00:39:38.020 this much.

00:39:39.540 The left can't.

00:39:41.560 So we have to go easy

00:39:42.880 on them.

00:39:44.200 Or at least...

00:39:45.720 Wait.

00:39:46.900 I mean,

00:39:47.280 don't ask them

00:39:48.340 to start acting like adults

00:39:49.300 until after the daily nap time

00:39:50.920 and their apple juice

00:39:51.720 in a sippy cup.

00:39:52.700 Then we can expect them

00:39:53.840 to have an adult conversation.

00:39:55.940 But it looks like

00:39:56.880 net neutrality

00:39:57.800 didn't really end the world.

00:39:59.740 The ultimate irony

00:40:00.820 is that people

00:40:01.680 on the left

00:40:02.320 can complain

00:40:03.300 about the internet

00:40:04.660 censorship

00:40:05.380 on the internet.

00:40:07.600 Their voices

00:40:08.320 aren't being silenced

00:40:09.600 online.

00:40:10.900 Strangely,

00:40:11.720 it seems

00:40:12.420 conservative voices

00:40:13.500 are.

00:40:14.940 Ask Dave Rubin

00:40:15.940 who regularly

00:40:18.840 has videos

00:40:20.080 demonetized

00:40:21.380 by YouTube

00:40:22.020 or Google

00:40:23.000 for expressing

00:40:24.320 controversial content.

00:40:26.120 Here's Dave Rubin's

00:40:28.540 on-point take

00:40:29.460 on the matter.

00:40:30.500 For those of you

00:40:31.460 just catching up,

00:40:32.280 about six weeks ago,

00:40:33.660 YouTube lost

00:40:34.380 about $750 million

00:40:36.280 in ad sales

00:40:37.540 after a bunch

00:40:38.580 of stories

00:40:39.040 ran across

00:40:39.700 mainstream media

00:40:40.620 about how ads

00:40:41.420 were being played

00:40:42.340 on offensive content

00:40:44.420 on the YouTube platform.

00:40:46.440 Putting aside

00:40:47.360 what's actually offensive

00:40:48.880 or that you rarely

00:40:50.140 associate the ad

00:40:51.260 playing before the video

00:40:52.320 with the content itself,

00:40:53.960 YouTube found itself

00:40:54.900 in a tough spot.

00:40:56.120 $750 million

00:40:57.380 isn't chump change

00:40:58.300 even to a company

00:40:59.060 like Google

00:40:59.820 and suddenly

00:41:00.700 there were less ads

00:41:02.000 to go around

00:41:02.780 the entire platform.

00:41:04.620 I should pause here

00:41:05.400 and say that

00:41:05.960 as a private company,

00:41:07.300 of course,

00:41:07.920 YouTube absolutely

00:41:09.320 has the right

00:41:10.380 to do whatever

00:41:11.000 they want

00:41:11.560 with their business

00:41:12.420 and in this case,

00:41:13.440 if there aren't ads

00:41:14.220 to go around

00:41:14.740 on all the content,

00:41:15.720 well,

00:41:16.000 nobody's forcing me

00:41:17.400 or anyone else

00:41:18.260 to create videos here.

00:41:19.840 At the same time

00:41:20.500 this demonetization

00:41:21.460 was happening,

00:41:22.180 there was also another

00:41:23.000 problem unfolding

00:41:24.060 for channels

00:41:24.640 such as this one.

00:41:25.580 Some of our videos

00:41:26.600 which deal

00:41:27.380 with certain

00:41:28.040 controversial topics

00:41:29.580 aren't getting

00:41:30.500 served ads at all.

00:41:31.920 So, for example,

00:41:32.680 videos we've done

00:41:33.560 with people

00:41:34.100 from Lauren Southern

00:41:35.380 to Bishop Barron

00:41:36.560 to Yasmin Mohamed,

00:41:38.020 there's some real

00:41:38.520 diversity in that group,

00:41:40.020 aren't being served ads

00:41:41.640 due to the nature

00:41:42.500 of their content.

00:41:43.900 Again,

00:41:44.460 that is within

00:41:46.120 YouTube's right to do

00:41:47.660 and it isn't censorship

00:41:48.920 because they aren't

00:41:49.700 stopping us

00:41:50.380 from putting up

00:41:51.140 those interviews,

00:41:51.840 but eventually

00:41:52.920 every creator

00:41:54.020 has to make a dime.

00:41:55.720 Creators will eventually

00:41:56.500 self-censor

00:41:57.300 if they know

00:41:57.880 that certain topics

00:41:58.980 won't make them

00:41:59.620 any money.

00:42:01.240 Now imagine

00:42:02.160 what would happen

00:42:02.860 if YouTube

00:42:03.360 did the same

00:42:04.180 to the Young Turks

00:42:05.100 or Linda Sarsour.

00:42:08.000 Actually,

00:42:08.620 I know what the left

00:42:09.900 would have to say

00:42:10.580 about it.

00:42:11.440 They'd see it

00:42:12.160 as the end

00:42:12.660 of all mankind,

00:42:13.400 the apocalypse

00:42:14.920 for real

00:42:16.700 this time.

00:42:24.240 It's Monday,

00:42:25.400 July 23rd.

00:42:26.640 This is the

00:42:27.400 Glenn Beck Program.

00:42:29.200 Does it feel like

00:42:30.220 you can't keep track

00:42:31.480 of arguments anymore?

00:42:34.380 Because

00:42:35.060 nobody seems

00:42:37.140 to really actually

00:42:37.880 believe what they're saying?

00:42:39.420 It is because

00:42:40.560 of something

00:42:41.380 called postmodernism.

00:42:43.440 Postmodernism

00:42:44.120 is really

00:42:45.500 quite diabolical.

00:42:47.220 Anybody who

00:42:47.960 believes in

00:42:49.000 postmodernism

00:42:49.980 or

00:42:50.400 buys into this

00:42:52.400 or is teaching

00:42:53.140 this at universities,

00:42:54.080 I can't come up

00:42:55.020 with another word

00:42:56.640 for you.

00:42:58.880 Well,

00:42:59.180 I mean,

00:43:00.300 synonyms.

00:43:01.900 Evil.

00:43:05.820 Destructive.

00:43:07.360 Anarchist.

00:43:10.600 It is this idea

00:43:12.460 idea that

00:43:13.080 there is

00:43:16.440 no truth.

00:43:17.480 There is no truth.

00:43:20.100 It's all

00:43:21.100 subjective.

00:43:23.240 And so,

00:43:23.560 the only truth

00:43:24.800 that is

00:43:25.860 true

00:43:26.940 is the truth

00:43:30.220 that takes

00:43:31.920 apart

00:43:32.480 capitalism,

00:43:33.720 the western

00:43:34.220 world,

00:43:35.060 the patriarchy,

00:43:36.220 whatever it is.

00:43:37.140 Now,

00:43:38.220 this is a

00:43:38.720 very leftist

00:43:39.860 idea,

00:43:40.820 and so,

00:43:41.920 it is

00:43:42.320 anything that

00:43:43.660 challenges or

00:43:44.760 destroys

00:43:45.420 the power

00:43:47.020 structures

00:43:47.700 is true.

00:43:49.860 Anything that

00:43:51.420 doesn't

00:43:52.300 is not

00:43:53.420 true.

00:43:54.420 However,

00:43:55.140 remember,

00:43:55.800 there is

00:43:56.500 no truth.

00:43:58.160 Sound a little

00:43:58.800 chaotic?

00:43:59.300 Let me

00:44:01.540 show this

00:44:02.120 to you.

00:44:02.640 Let me

00:44:02.800 show you

00:44:03.400 how crazy

00:44:05.880 things have

00:44:07.840 become.

00:44:11.320 The New York

00:44:12.280 Times and

00:44:13.360 Mark Zuckerberg.

00:44:14.440 Where do you

00:44:15.340 think the New

00:44:16.120 York Times

00:44:16.880 would stand,

00:44:18.500 traditionally

00:44:19.040 speaking,

00:44:19.980 about Mark

00:44:20.680 Zuckerberg?

00:44:22.280 Usually aligned

00:44:23.260 with him,

00:44:23.760 you'd think,

00:44:24.500 right?

00:44:24.720 And the

00:44:26.860 charge against

00:44:27.560 Mark Zuckerberg

00:44:28.500 and Facebook

00:44:29.040 from the

00:44:29.740 right?

00:44:30.860 Is there

00:44:31.080 censoring

00:44:31.900 conservative

00:44:32.420 content?

00:44:33.200 Okay,

00:44:33.480 and the

00:44:34.020 left says

00:44:35.640 they're not

00:44:36.140 doing that,

00:44:37.960 right?

00:44:38.820 Okay,

00:44:39.800 so,

00:44:40.380 have you ever

00:44:40.780 listened to

00:44:41.140 The Daily?

00:44:42.660 A couple

00:44:43.100 times,

00:44:43.480 I think.

00:44:43.720 Okay,

00:44:43.920 so The Daily

00:44:44.540 is a podcast

00:44:45.200 from the

00:44:46.440 New York

00:44:46.860 Times,

00:44:47.320 and if I

00:44:47.640 get up

00:44:47.880 early enough,

00:44:48.440 I listen

00:44:49.000 to a few

00:44:49.400 minutes of

00:44:49.700 The Daily

00:44:50.020 once in

00:44:51.240 a while.

00:44:52.300 This one

00:44:52.800 I listen

00:44:53.340 to because

00:44:54.640 it was

00:44:55.140 about

00:44:55.600 policing

00:44:56.500 at

00:44:57.200 Facebook,

00:44:57.780 and

00:44:59.140 the

00:44:59.600 New York

00:44:59.880 Times

00:45:00.260 was

00:45:00.800 talking

00:45:01.720 to

00:45:01.940 one

00:45:02.160 of

00:45:02.320 their

00:45:02.680 experts

00:45:04.380 at the

00:45:05.100 New York

00:45:05.440 Times

00:45:05.820 on the

00:45:06.820 internet,

00:45:07.200 and they

00:45:08.260 were talking

00:45:08.700 about going

00:45:09.280 out and

00:45:09.860 meeting with

00:45:10.280 Zuckerberg

00:45:10.800 about

00:45:11.840 fake news.

00:45:14.500 So,

00:45:14.700 here's a

00:45:15.220 room full

00:45:15.760 of journalists,

00:45:16.940 and they

00:45:17.860 discuss how

00:45:18.940 they are

00:45:19.400 going to

00:45:19.920 go get

00:45:21.180 rid of

00:45:21.960 fake news,

00:45:22.740 and how

00:45:23.220 difficult

00:45:23.780 this was.

00:45:24.500 There was

00:45:25.620 this nine

00:45:26.380 minute film

00:45:27.120 that they

00:45:27.520 apparently

00:45:27.920 played,

00:45:28.920 and in

00:45:29.480 it,

00:45:30.160 they

00:45:30.380 basically

00:45:30.960 said,

00:45:31.900 we can't

00:45:33.320 judge

00:45:33.840 what's

00:45:34.440 fake and

00:45:35.300 what's

00:45:35.640 not fake.

00:45:37.320 It's not

00:45:38.020 our position

00:45:39.060 to do

00:45:39.920 that.

00:45:41.300 It's

00:45:42.060 subjective,

00:45:43.040 and it's

00:45:43.420 also global.

00:45:44.820 Now,

00:45:44.960 this is

00:45:45.220 exactly what

00:45:46.220 Mark Zuckerberg

00:45:47.000 told me.

00:45:48.100 When he

00:45:48.740 was telling

00:45:49.380 the

00:45:49.920 conservatives,

00:45:50.660 we're

00:45:51.920 not

00:45:52.120 targeting

00:45:52.640 you,

00:45:53.660 we don't

00:45:54.740 want to

00:45:55.180 be in

00:45:55.460 that

00:45:55.640 business,

00:45:56.180 it's

00:45:56.640 not our

00:45:57.240 business,

00:45:57.680 and it

00:45:58.040 would cut

00:45:58.680 our business

00:45:59.240 in half

00:46:00.000 in America

00:46:00.640 if we

00:46:01.080 did that,

00:46:01.740 so we

00:46:02.200 don't want

00:46:02.920 to do

00:46:03.240 that,

00:46:04.620 and nobody

00:46:05.980 believed him.

00:46:06.820 Now,

00:46:07.420 here comes

00:46:07.840 the left,

00:46:08.580 the mainstream

00:46:09.060 media,

00:46:09.900 and he

00:46:10.180 says the

00:46:10.560 same thing

00:46:11.120 to them,

00:46:11.900 and they

00:46:12.640 don't believe

00:46:13.140 him.

00:46:13.320 Now,

00:46:15.200 listen to

00:46:16.380 this

00:46:16.620 conversation.

00:46:17.820 This is

00:46:18.320 from the

00:46:19.680 daily,

00:46:20.380 the podcast,

00:46:21.760 the New

00:46:22.160 York Times,

00:46:23.040 the interviewer

00:46:24.000 you're going

00:46:24.240 to hear in

00:46:24.620 the studio,

00:46:26.600 is the

00:46:28.960 male voice,

00:46:29.980 is the

00:46:30.720 New York

00:46:31.020 Times reporter.

00:46:33.020 The female

00:46:33.600 is another

00:46:34.420 New York

00:46:34.840 Times reporter

00:46:35.680 from an

00:46:36.240 earlier

00:46:36.640 interview with

00:46:37.520 Mark Zuckerberg

00:46:38.400 at the New

00:46:38.920 York Times.

00:46:39.340 Now,

00:46:39.460 listen to

00:46:39.760 what they're

00:46:40.020 saying.

00:46:40.500 Someone

00:46:40.820 was saying

00:46:41.260 to me,

00:46:42.300 you can't

00:46:43.600 just pass

00:46:44.000 power along.

00:46:44.820 You have

00:46:44.980 an enormous

00:46:45.560 amount of

00:46:46.120 power.

00:46:46.980 Do you

00:46:47.320 understand

00:46:47.860 that,

00:46:48.460 or do you

00:46:48.920 think about

00:46:49.860 that,

00:46:50.340 or you

00:46:50.660 don't think

00:46:51.120 you have?

00:46:52.580 No,

00:46:52.780 I think

00:46:53.060 we have

00:46:53.360 a big

00:46:53.680 responsibility,

00:46:54.880 but I'm

00:46:56.580 not sure

00:46:56.880 what you

00:46:57.100 mean by

00:46:57.440 pass

00:46:57.740 power

00:46:58.060 along,

00:46:58.580 but I

00:46:58.800 actually

00:46:59.040 think

00:46:59.420 one of

00:47:00.740 the

00:47:01.120 things

00:47:02.380 that we

00:47:02.800 should be

00:47:03.160 trying to

00:47:03.640 do is

00:47:04.640 figure out

00:47:05.160 how to

00:47:05.500 empower

00:47:05.980 and build

00:47:07.100 other

00:47:07.420 institutions

00:47:08.040 around us

00:47:09.280 that are

00:47:10.360 important

00:47:11.300 and can

00:47:12.140 help figure

00:47:12.700 out these

00:47:13.160 new issues

00:47:13.700 on the

00:47:13.980 internet.

00:47:14.520 And he

00:47:14.680 keeps saying,

00:47:15.560 I think

00:47:15.960 about it

00:47:16.160 as a

00:47:16.340 responsibility.

00:47:17.360 He's very

00:47:18.080 uncomfortable

00:47:18.480 with the

00:47:18.860 idea that

00:47:19.340 he is

00:47:19.660 the most

00:47:19.920 powerful,

00:47:21.040 one of the

00:47:21.340 most powerful

00:47:21.700 people in

00:47:22.140 the world,

00:47:23.220 and he

00:47:23.700 keeps insisting,

00:47:24.600 you know,

00:47:24.800 I want to

00:47:25.340 empower other

00:47:26.220 people.

00:47:26.820 I don't want

00:47:27.480 to be the

00:47:27.780 emperor on

00:47:28.660 the throne.

00:47:29.540 I want to

00:47:30.800 give other

00:47:31.700 people the

00:47:32.180 ability to

00:47:32.960 govern their

00:47:33.680 own communities

00:47:34.780 and lives.

00:47:36.140 Let's talk

00:47:36.720 about Infowar.

00:47:37.380 Let's use

00:47:37.780 them as the

00:47:38.300 example.

00:47:38.840 Sure.

00:47:39.020 Make the

00:47:40.020 case for

00:47:41.480 keeping them

00:47:42.940 and make

00:47:43.240 the case

00:47:43.520 for not

00:47:44.280 allowing them

00:47:45.540 to be

00:47:46.500 distributed

00:47:46.900 by you.

00:47:47.580 Kara and

00:47:48.200 Mark start

00:47:48.900 talking about

00:47:49.620 Infowars.

00:47:50.900 We feel like

00:47:51.540 our responsibility

00:47:52.340 is to prevent

00:47:53.960 hoaxes from

00:47:55.760 going viral

00:47:57.360 and being

00:47:57.880 widely

00:47:58.320 distributed.

00:47:58.900 Okay.

00:47:59.800 So the

00:48:00.760 approach that

00:48:01.180 we've taken

00:48:01.640 to false

00:48:02.120 news is

00:48:03.460 not to say

00:48:05.380 you can't say

00:48:05.920 something wrong

00:48:06.560 on the internet.

00:48:07.080 I think that

00:48:07.680 would be too

00:48:08.180 extreme.

00:48:08.600 Everyone gets

00:48:09.220 things wrong.

00:48:10.340 If we were

00:48:11.360 taking down

00:48:12.580 people's accounts

00:48:14.240 when they got

00:48:15.600 a few things

00:48:16.340 wrong, then

00:48:17.180 that would be

00:48:18.100 a hard world

00:48:18.620 for giving

00:48:18.980 people a voice

00:48:19.680 and saying

00:48:20.240 that you care

00:48:20.640 about that.

00:48:21.740 But at the

00:48:21.960 same time,

00:48:22.420 I think that

00:48:22.760 we have a

00:48:23.060 responsibility

00:48:23.520 to, when

00:48:23.940 you look at

00:48:24.360 the top

00:48:25.520 hundred things

00:48:26.780 that are going

00:48:27.160 viral or getting

00:48:27.840 distribution on

00:48:28.600 Facebook within

00:48:29.200 any given day,

00:48:30.260 I do think we

00:48:30.880 have a responsibility

00:48:31.600 to make sure

00:48:32.720 that those aren't

00:48:33.200 hoaxes and

00:48:33.840 blatant

00:48:34.160 misinformation.

00:48:35.080 Kara asked

00:48:35.700 Zuckerberg about

00:48:36.920 Sandy Hook

00:48:38.140 and the

00:48:38.600 massacre that

00:48:39.320 happened there.

00:48:40.240 Okay, Sandy

00:48:41.120 Hook didn't

00:48:41.720 happen is not

00:48:42.600 a debate.

00:48:44.060 It is false.

00:48:45.760 You can't just

00:48:46.480 take that down.

00:48:47.880 I agree that

00:48:48.620 it is false.

00:48:49.640 And this was

00:48:50.120 really sort of

00:48:50.800 Infowars'

00:48:51.820 flagship issue

00:48:53.020 for years.

00:48:53.760 What they were

00:48:54.140 known for was

00:48:55.340 their promoting

00:48:56.600 of a conspiracy

00:48:57.380 theory that

00:48:58.120 Sandy Hook

00:48:58.640 had been a

00:48:59.560 hoax.

00:49:01.040 And I also

00:49:01.640 think that going

00:49:02.260 to someone who

00:49:02.860 is a victim

00:49:03.400 victim of

00:49:04.460 Sandy Hook

00:49:05.040 and telling

00:49:06.700 them, hey,

00:49:07.180 no, you're a

00:49:07.640 liar, that is

00:49:09.080 harassment and we

00:49:09.880 actually will take

00:49:10.480 that down.

00:49:12.020 But overall,

00:49:13.080 let's take this

00:49:14.300 a little closer

00:49:14.740 to home.

00:49:15.280 So I'm Jewish.

00:49:16.880 And then he

00:49:17.460 unprompted

00:49:18.200 brings up this

00:49:19.140 example of the

00:49:20.180 Holocaust.

00:49:21.000 And there's a

00:49:21.880 set of people

00:49:22.420 who deny that

00:49:23.780 the Holocaust

00:49:24.120 happened.

00:49:25.080 I find that

00:49:26.020 deeply offensive.

00:49:27.420 But at the

00:49:28.700 end of the

00:49:28.940 day, I don't

00:49:31.000 believe that our

00:49:31.940 platform should

00:49:33.320 take that down

00:49:34.160 because I think

00:49:34.880 that there are

00:49:35.240 things that

00:49:36.340 different people

00:49:36.940 get wrong.

00:49:38.660 I don't think

00:49:40.140 that they're

00:49:40.380 intentionally getting

00:49:41.080 it wrong, but

00:49:41.700 I think that

00:49:42.080 it's hard to

00:49:46.440 impugn intent

00:49:47.600 and to

00:49:48.380 understand the

00:49:49.060 intent.

00:49:50.880 But I just

00:49:51.140 think for as

00:49:52.160 abhorrent as

00:49:53.620 some of those

00:49:54.020 examples are,

00:49:55.360 I think the

00:49:55.780 reality is also

00:49:56.680 that I get

00:49:58.860 things wrong

00:49:59.340 when I speak

00:49:59.860 publicly.

00:50:00.920 I'm sure you

00:50:01.720 do.

00:50:01.940 I'm sure a

00:50:02.340 lot of

00:50:02.540 leaders and

00:50:03.200 public figures

00:50:03.920 we respect

00:50:04.500 do too.

00:50:05.420 And I just

00:50:06.420 don't think

00:50:06.960 that it is

00:50:07.360 the right

00:50:07.740 thing to

00:50:08.660 say we

00:50:09.640 are going

00:50:10.060 to take

00:50:10.820 someone off

00:50:11.360 the platform

00:50:11.860 if they get

00:50:12.420 things wrong

00:50:13.140 even multiple

00:50:14.900 times.

00:50:15.900 He's

00:50:16.380 essentially

00:50:16.960 appealing to

00:50:18.640 ideas that

00:50:19.820 we've developed

00:50:20.540 in our

00:50:21.520 democracy over

00:50:22.840 hundreds of

00:50:23.560 years.

00:50:24.540 I mean,

00:50:24.820 he's saying

00:50:25.200 that's the

00:50:26.240 way we think

00:50:26.880 about free

00:50:27.300 speech is the

00:50:27.920 way the U.S.

00:50:28.800 government thinks

00:50:29.280 about free

00:50:29.640 speech.

00:50:30.060 There's no

00:50:30.460 rule that

00:50:31.120 that has to

00:50:31.740 be the

00:50:32.000 case.

00:50:32.300 There's no

00:50:32.600 reason he

00:50:33.660 has to say

00:50:34.540 we're going

00:50:35.120 to draw the

00:50:35.540 line on free

00:50:36.140 speech here

00:50:36.860 as opposed to

00:50:37.680 somewhere else.

00:50:38.920 That's a choice

00:50:39.820 that he's making

00:50:40.460 and I think

00:50:41.400 that's sort of a

00:50:42.620 way of avoiding

00:50:43.760 the choice

00:50:44.240 altogether is

00:50:45.000 just to say,

00:50:45.700 well, free

00:50:46.680 speech is

00:50:47.100 protected in

00:50:47.900 the public

00:50:48.320 sphere, so

00:50:48.960 we're going to

00:50:49.700 protect it in

00:50:50.320 largely the same

00:50:51.120 way on Facebook.

00:50:51.920 Okay, so

00:50:53.400 a lot to

00:50:55.600 unpack here,

00:50:56.260 but I want

00:50:56.560 to start at

00:50:56.900 the end.

00:50:59.620 Here's the

00:51:00.360 New York

00:51:00.840 Times

00:51:01.360 chastising

00:51:03.700 him for

00:51:04.920 saying,

00:51:05.620 you know,

00:51:06.060 he's essentially

00:51:06.780 appealing to

00:51:08.280 the notions

00:51:10.420 that we've

00:51:12.880 developed over

00:51:13.440 the past

00:51:13.920 several hundred

00:51:14.560 years through

00:51:16.060 our democracy.

00:51:17.340 No, actually,

00:51:17.960 this happened

00:51:18.520 before our

00:51:19.180 democracy.

00:51:19.620 It was called

00:51:20.120 the Enlightenment.

00:51:21.940 Okay, a case

00:51:22.940 for reason.

00:51:24.400 It was called

00:51:24.960 the Enlightenment.

00:51:26.640 It's what

00:51:27.660 liberals

00:51:28.860 claim

00:51:30.240 they are.

00:51:32.300 Classic

00:51:32.900 liberals.

00:51:34.500 Liberalism

00:51:35.140 means

00:51:36.100 I

00:51:36.960 believe

00:51:38.480 I need

00:51:39.180 to manage

00:51:39.580 my life.

00:51:40.340 You need

00:51:40.800 to manage

00:51:41.220 your life.

00:51:42.100 I'm not

00:51:42.680 going to

00:51:43.040 impose my

00:51:44.020 feelings

00:51:44.560 onto you.

00:51:45.660 It's, of

00:51:46.000 course,

00:51:46.240 changed over

00:51:46.860 the years

00:51:47.300 into something

00:51:48.080 completely

00:51:48.480 different.

00:51:48.920 liberalism

00:51:49.700 means

00:51:50.140 something

00:51:50.280 totally

00:51:50.820 different

00:51:51.120 today.

00:51:51.500 Classic

00:51:51.980 liberalism.

00:51:54.080 So,

00:51:54.520 here's the

00:51:55.020 New York

00:51:55.320 Times

00:51:55.720 fighting

00:51:56.440 against

00:51:57.580 classic

00:51:59.300 liberalism.

00:52:00.600 Fighting

00:52:01.000 against

00:52:01.440 the things

00:52:01.960 that the

00:52:02.320 ACLU

00:52:03.260 always said

00:52:04.560 they stood

00:52:05.220 for.

00:52:06.480 But we

00:52:07.100 all knew

00:52:07.720 that that

00:52:08.100 was a

00:52:08.440 sham.

00:52:10.400 Now,

00:52:11.000 here's the

00:52:11.480 New York

00:52:11.780 Times

00:52:12.120 fighting

00:52:12.780 against

00:52:13.500 it and

00:52:14.480 saying that

00:52:15.320 there's no

00:52:15.700 reason why

00:52:16.420 he has to

00:52:17.060 do that.

00:52:17.580 I mean,

00:52:17.880 you're going

00:52:18.000 to say,

00:52:18.300 well,

00:52:18.480 I don't

00:52:18.660 think about

00:52:19.120 it the

00:52:19.300 way the

00:52:19.820 U.S.

00:52:20.180 government

00:52:20.480 thinks about

00:52:21.080 it.

00:52:21.320 No,

00:52:21.560 I don't

00:52:21.760 even think

00:52:22.080 the U.S.

00:52:22.540 government

00:52:22.800 thinks it

00:52:23.280 that way.

00:52:24.460 But people

00:52:25.120 who believe

00:52:26.560 in what

00:52:27.940 brought us

00:52:28.580 into the

00:52:29.480 modern world,

00:52:30.340 the

00:52:30.480 Enlightenment,

00:52:32.820 yes,

00:52:34.380 yes,

00:52:34.680 they do

00:52:35.160 think that

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00:54:45.100 Glenn Beck.

00:54:46.240 You know,

00:54:46.640 I'm wondering

00:54:49.540 what the

00:54:50.220 New York

00:54:51.080 Times has

00:54:52.400 to say

00:54:52.660 about David

00:54:53.640 Hogg.

00:54:54.720 Should

00:54:55.220 Facebook

00:54:55.720 ban David

00:54:56.480 Hogg?

00:54:58.340 Now,

00:54:58.980 I know

00:54:59.160 the knee-jerk

00:54:59.780 feel-good

00:55:00.320 reaction is

00:55:01.020 yes.

00:55:04.260 I wonder

00:55:05.080 if the

00:55:05.420 New York

00:55:05.680 Times is

00:55:06.260 going to

00:55:06.680 out

00:55:07.080 David

00:55:07.640 Hogg.

00:55:09.200 You know,

00:55:09.740 they spend

00:55:10.020 so much

00:55:10.320 time building

00:55:10.900 him.

00:55:11.960 I mean,

00:55:12.740 CNN's

00:55:13.420 got to

00:55:13.600 be mighty

00:55:14.120 proud.

00:55:14.700 They gave

00:55:15.100 birth to

00:55:15.720 this little

00:55:16.100 baby,

00:55:16.700 and now

00:55:17.260 he's all

00:55:17.560 grown up

00:55:18.000 to be

00:55:18.280 a

00:55:18.420 conspiratorial

00:55:19.320 man.

00:55:20.700 David

00:55:21.140 Hogg has

00:55:21.720 come out

00:55:22.100 over the

00:55:22.340 weekend and

00:55:22.920 said,

00:55:23.720 I just

00:55:24.440 want you

00:55:24.740 to be

00:55:24.900 aware.

00:55:26.140 I just

00:55:26.340 want you

00:55:26.580 to be

00:55:26.700 aware.

00:55:28.420 Looks

00:55:28.900 like Donald

00:55:29.300 Trump is

00:55:29.740 going to

00:55:30.200 probably

00:55:30.820 cancel the

00:55:32.020 midterm

00:55:32.400 elections.

00:55:32.840 This might

00:55:33.700 be the

00:55:34.180 last time

00:55:35.020 you're

00:55:35.300 able.

00:55:36.260 to vote.

00:55:37.080 If the

00:55:37.780 vote happens,

00:55:38.420 it might be

00:55:38.980 the last

00:55:39.440 time you

00:55:39.800 ever get

00:55:40.180 the chance

00:55:40.540 to vote.

00:55:41.460 So David,

00:55:41.880 hang on

00:55:42.100 just a

00:55:42.340 second.

00:55:42.580 If you

00:55:42.820 actually

00:55:43.420 believe that

00:55:44.500 thanks for

00:55:45.120 expressing it.

00:55:46.000 But if

00:55:47.600 you believe

00:55:47.980 that, why

00:55:48.720 would you

00:55:49.220 be forgiving

00:55:50.100 that

00:55:50.560 government

00:55:51.120 all of

00:55:51.880 the guns?

00:55:53.720 That one?

00:55:56.120 And

00:55:56.260 and

00:55:57.700 CNN, I

00:55:59.940 mean, I'm

00:56:00.180 just thinking,

00:56:01.100 you know,

00:56:02.220 doesn't this

00:56:03.420 make him

00:56:04.020 Alex Jones?

00:56:06.900 Because that's

00:56:07.820 the kind of

00:56:08.020 stuff Alex

00:56:08.420 Jones was

00:56:08.880 saying.

00:56:09.940 Yeah, he's

00:56:10.240 saying Barack

00:56:10.680 Obama is going

00:56:11.260 to cancel the

00:56:12.440 elections.

00:56:12.860 I don't

00:56:14.420 know if

00:56:14.780 Trump is a

00:56:15.420 secret

00:56:15.680 Muslim, but

00:56:17.580 you know, I'm

00:56:19.180 just throwing that

00:56:20.140 one out there.

00:56:20.760 He was born in

00:56:21.340 Saskatchewan, we

00:56:22.040 know that.

00:56:23.200 We do know that

00:56:23.920 Donald Trump was

00:56:24.620 born in Saskatchewan

00:56:25.660 or something.

00:56:26.540 Which is

00:56:27.180 north someplace.

00:56:29.360 Yeah, in a

00:56:30.040 scary northern

00:56:30.860 place.

00:56:31.580 Scary northern

00:56:32.360 place.

00:56:32.880 Way, way up by

00:56:34.360 in the dark

00:56:35.220 where all the

00:56:36.240 spooky things

00:56:36.900 come from.

00:56:37.520 You're not

00:56:38.220 allowed to

00:56:38.520 question anything

00:56:39.120 David Hugg

00:56:39.620 says, but

00:56:40.080 you know that.

00:56:40.660 I know, I know.

00:56:41.300 America knows

00:56:41.920 it.

00:56:42.220 I'm wondering

00:56:42.460 why CNN's

00:56:43.260 not covering

00:56:44.420 that cute

00:56:45.080 little quote.

00:56:49.340 In Missouri,

00:56:50.600 there was this

00:56:51.140 horrible accident

00:56:53.220 with this

00:56:53.960 duck boat

00:56:55.140 and

00:56:56.440 almost an

00:56:59.940 entire family

00:57:00.700 died.

00:57:01.360 Tia Coleman

00:57:01.860 was the

00:57:03.820 lone survivor,

00:57:04.860 if you will,

00:57:05.340 of the

00:57:06.560 Coleman family.

00:57:08.320 Here's her

00:57:09.300 describing

00:57:10.020 what happened.

00:57:12.500 I had my

00:57:13.420 son right

00:57:13.900 next to me.

00:57:15.680 But when

00:57:16.460 the water

00:57:16.800 filled up the

00:57:17.400 boat, I

00:57:18.220 could no

00:57:18.560 longer see.

00:57:19.880 When I got

00:57:20.480 out into the

00:57:20.980 water, it

00:57:21.800 was ice cold.

00:57:23.320 And I remember

00:57:23.780 as we were

00:57:24.380 going into the

00:57:24.940 water, they

00:57:25.340 said that the

00:57:26.360 lake stays

00:57:26.940 pretty warm

00:57:27.480 like in the

00:57:27.940 80s.

00:57:28.840 So I knew

00:57:29.700 since it

00:57:30.100 was being so

00:57:30.840 cold that I'm

00:57:31.640 close to the

00:57:32.640 bottom, not

00:57:33.280 close to the

00:57:33.720 top.

00:57:34.580 And I just

00:57:34.980 remember kicking

00:57:35.560 and swimming,

00:57:36.860 swimming up to

00:57:37.440 the top.

00:57:38.200 And as I

00:57:38.640 was swimming

00:57:39.000 up, I was

00:57:39.420 praying.

00:57:39.940 I said, Lord,

00:57:40.540 please let me

00:57:41.840 get to my

00:57:42.280 babies.

00:57:42.680 I got to get

00:57:43.080 to my babies.

00:57:43.760 I got to get

00:57:44.120 to my babies.

00:57:45.160 And I was

00:57:45.540 kicking.

00:57:46.020 And the harder

00:57:47.040 I fought to

00:57:47.720 get up to

00:57:48.060 the top, I

00:57:49.160 was getting

00:57:49.540 pulled down.

00:57:50.700 And I kept

00:57:51.360 fighting and I

00:57:51.960 kept fighting.

00:57:53.000 And then I

00:57:53.340 said, Lord, if

00:57:53.940 I can't make

00:57:54.580 it, there's no

00:57:55.500 use in keeping

00:57:56.140 me here.

00:57:57.460 And so I just

00:57:58.160 let go and I

00:57:59.940 started floating.

00:58:00.680 floating and as

00:58:02.040 I started floating,

00:58:03.860 I felt the

00:58:04.500 water temperature

00:58:05.160 change and it

00:58:07.360 got warmer.

00:58:08.640 And as it got

00:58:09.240 warmer, I knew I

00:58:09.880 was to the top.

00:58:10.740 So I stuck my

00:58:12.120 hand out and I

00:58:14.900 kept swallowing tons

00:58:16.380 of water.

00:58:19.600 The waves were

00:58:20.520 crashing over my

00:58:21.320 face and every

00:58:22.400 time I'd give my

00:58:23.060 head a little bit

00:58:23.700 above water, I

00:58:24.360 screamed, help,

00:58:25.240 help.

00:58:25.540 And finally I

00:58:26.780 came up to the

00:58:27.440 surface and I

00:58:28.660 saw, it was a

00:58:29.560 great big boat

00:58:30.340 out, like a

00:58:31.980 riverboat.

00:58:33.240 And they were,

00:58:34.180 oh my God, they

00:58:35.160 were jumping in

00:58:35.900 saving people.

00:58:37.180 They were throwing

00:58:37.720 life rafts out to

00:58:38.840 everybody.

00:58:39.960 But I couldn't

00:58:40.840 reach it, I

00:58:41.440 couldn't get there

00:58:42.020 in time.

00:58:43.360 And so somehow I

00:58:44.260 managed to get to

00:58:44.940 the boat.

00:58:46.660 These beautiful

00:58:47.300 people, angels, I

00:58:48.700 don't know who

00:58:49.100 they were, they

00:58:49.980 pulled me up.

00:58:52.160 And when they

00:58:52.900 pulled me up from

00:58:53.500 the boat, I

00:58:55.440 didn't see any

00:58:56.040 of my family.

00:58:58.800 But I believe I

00:58:59.820 survived by God

00:59:01.020 and by good

00:59:02.540 Samaritan.

00:59:04.660 She lost three

00:59:06.300 children, nine

00:59:09.220 family members.

00:59:11.800 I, I, I,

00:59:14.020 oh, pray for

00:59:17.320 her.

00:59:18.180 You saw the

00:59:19.080 footage, I

00:59:19.980 assume, of, uh,

00:59:21.300 of, of this

00:59:22.220 incident happening.

00:59:24.140 It's impossible.

00:59:25.440 To believe that

00:59:26.100 these boats were

00:59:26.720 out there in

00:59:27.260 this.

00:59:28.140 I mean, it

00:59:28.760 was, uh, you

00:59:29.920 know, these

00:59:30.920 little duck

00:59:31.520 boats, which

00:59:32.080 are basically, if

00:59:32.940 I, if I

00:59:33.600 understand it

00:59:33.960 right, just

00:59:34.180 basically trucks,

00:59:34.980 right?

00:59:35.200 Like floating

00:59:35.760 trucks rather

00:59:36.500 than boats.

00:59:37.300 I mean, they're,

00:59:38.200 you know, uh,

00:59:39.740 and, you know,

00:59:40.600 normal calm

00:59:41.780 waters.

00:59:42.440 They're completely

00:59:43.000 fine.

00:59:43.420 But in, in

00:59:44.240 that sort of

00:59:44.720 environment, I

00:59:45.360 mean, they're,

00:59:45.740 they shouldn't

00:59:46.080 have been out

00:59:46.420 there in the

00:59:46.760 first place.

00:59:47.280 I mean, I

00:59:49.960 can't even

00:59:50.460 imagine the

00:59:53.080 terror of

00:59:53.800 that.

00:59:54.940 It was really

00:59:55.740 difficult to

00:59:56.380 watch, honestly.

00:59:58.080 And I mean, to

00:59:58.940 go through,

00:59:59.300 obviously that

00:59:59.900 much worse.

01:00:00.760 And basically

01:00:01.640 her entire

01:00:02.020 family wiped

01:00:02.560 out.

01:00:03.040 I mean, you

01:00:03.220 get a, you

01:00:03.640 think of that,

01:00:04.100 you get a

01:00:04.620 gathering of

01:00:05.200 everyone, 11

01:00:05.880 family members

01:00:06.540 together.

01:00:07.180 We just had a,

01:00:07.920 uh, you know,

01:00:08.560 this past weekend

01:00:10.280 had a couple of

01:00:11.060 relatives in town

01:00:12.080 that we hadn't

01:00:12.520 seen in a while.

01:00:13.120 And it's like,

01:00:13.480 you know, those

01:00:13.780 are moments like

01:00:14.420 you take

01:00:14.700 pictures, you

01:00:15.360 you have that

01:00:16.500 moment of like,

01:00:17.000 Hey, we haven't

01:00:17.340 when's the last

01:00:17.800 time we were

01:00:18.140 all together.

01:00:18.560 It's been a

01:00:19.060 while.

01:00:20.060 And then you

01:00:20.840 have that

01:00:21.220 moment.

01:00:21.520 And then most

01:00:23.220 of your family

01:00:23.760 gets wiped out

01:00:24.560 in some ridiculous

01:00:26.700 incident like

01:00:27.480 this.

01:00:27.900 Uh, I mean,

01:00:28.740 really terrible,

01:00:30.020 really terrible.

01:00:31.780 You were up in,

01:00:32.960 uh, New York.

01:00:34.400 You went up,

01:00:34.940 uh, to see the

01:00:36.860 world trade center,

01:00:37.940 the, the

01:00:38.540 museum I have

01:00:39.400 not been in.

01:00:39.980 I saw the first

01:00:40.680 museum where it

01:00:42.180 was just a

01:00:42.640 makeshift across

01:00:43.460 the street.

01:00:44.420 Okay.

01:00:44.920 Um, but, uh,

01:00:46.300 I haven't seen

01:00:46.860 the new completed

01:00:48.000 museum.

01:00:48.840 Yeah.

01:00:49.020 I mean, there's

01:00:49.320 been a lot of

01:00:49.920 criticism, I feel

01:00:51.260 like, of that

01:00:51.840 because the

01:00:52.300 process was so

01:00:53.080 ridiculous and it

01:00:53.820 took so long, uh,

01:00:55.840 to, you know,

01:00:56.740 kind of come

01:00:57.380 together.

01:00:58.240 We talked about

01:00:59.080 this back in the

01:00:59.720 day.

01:01:00.080 I mean, one of the

01:01:00.700 first people who

01:01:01.400 was saying like

01:01:01.740 Donald Trump was

01:01:02.360 like, well, we

01:01:02.800 should build the

01:01:03.200 towers twice as

01:01:03.960 high.

01:01:04.280 It was something

01:01:04.520 we could kind

01:01:04.940 of all, uh,

01:01:06.120 cheer about.

01:01:06.760 This is back long

01:01:07.640 before, obviously,

01:01:08.140 he was a

01:01:08.720 presidential, uh,

01:01:09.800 candidate.

01:01:10.240 Um, and it

01:01:12.320 was, uh, but

01:01:13.740 like the process

01:01:14.300 took forever.

01:01:14.980 You know, the

01:01:15.620 building took a

01:01:16.060 long time to be

01:01:16.800 put up.

01:01:17.300 The, the, the

01:01:18.420 memorial took

01:01:19.120 forever to put

01:01:19.800 together.

01:01:20.120 I gotta say it

01:01:21.520 was pretty

01:01:22.160 impressive.

01:01:22.920 I mean, they

01:01:23.240 did a good job

01:01:24.080 with it.

01:01:24.640 They have, we

01:01:25.860 may have seen the

01:01:26.480 waterfalls that

01:01:27.260 fall into each

01:01:27.940 other, uh, where

01:01:28.960 the actual

01:01:29.820 footprints of the

01:01:30.640 towers, but

01:01:31.540 underneath that is

01:01:32.380 where the museum

01:01:32.860 is.

01:01:33.100 So the entire

01:01:33.520 museum is

01:01:34.000 underground and

01:01:35.200 you go all the

01:01:35.640 way down to a

01:01:36.200 sort of bedrock

01:01:36.800 level.

01:01:37.400 And under that

01:01:38.200 they, you can

01:01:38.880 see, they built

01:01:39.840 the outlines of

01:01:41.120 where the towers

01:01:41.700 were.

01:01:42.060 So you can kind

01:01:42.540 of get a sense of

01:01:43.320 how big they were

01:01:44.100 and exactly where

01:01:44.780 they are.

01:01:45.220 So the entire

01:01:45.720 time you're in

01:01:46.240 the museum, you're

01:01:46.840 walking in

01:01:47.500 between the two

01:01:49.000 towers and

01:01:49.720 where they

01:01:50.120 stood.

01:01:51.180 Uh, and you

01:01:51.820 can see, you

01:01:52.800 know, there's an

01:01:53.160 exposed slurry

01:01:54.700 wall there, which

01:01:55.520 is the wall that

01:01:56.360 separates the

01:01:57.560 Hudson River to

01:01:58.340 where you're

01:01:58.720 standing.

01:01:59.400 Like, I mean,

01:02:00.440 that's how crazy

01:02:01.520 this thing was.

01:02:03.020 Um, and they

01:02:04.240 show, you know,

01:02:05.480 they have, of

01:02:06.000 course, all the

01:02:06.540 bent steel and,

01:02:07.800 and, and, and

01:02:08.780 the fire trucks

01:02:09.880 that were, you

01:02:10.760 know, partially

01:02:11.340 crushed and, you

01:02:12.840 know, I mean,

01:02:13.380 really, it's just

01:02:14.980 awful.

01:02:15.560 There's an entire

01:02:16.320 room of just,

01:02:18.520 you know, the,

01:02:19.080 the minute by

01:02:19.980 minute, um,

01:02:21.640 ticker of what

01:02:22.580 happened that

01:02:23.100 day.

01:02:23.480 The first thing

01:02:24.140 you see as you

01:02:24.580 walk into the

01:02:25.020 museum is a

01:02:26.120 picture from

01:02:26.800 830 in the

01:02:28.180 morning from

01:02:29.460 Jersey of the

01:02:31.160 tower six

01:02:32.220 minutes before

01:02:32.720 they're hit of

01:02:33.520 like what it was

01:02:34.140 like that morning.

01:02:34.840 It's this beautiful

01:02:35.320 morning.

01:02:35.760 We all kind of

01:02:36.140 remember that

01:02:36.660 there's not a

01:02:37.080 cloud in the

01:02:37.520 sky.

01:02:38.420 Towers are still

01:02:39.160 standing.

01:02:39.660 Everything's fine.

01:02:40.760 And then six

01:02:41.480 minutes later, all

01:02:42.580 this happens, but

01:02:43.200 you go through this

01:02:43.720 one path where

01:02:44.400 they walk you

01:02:44.940 through minute by

01:02:45.340 minute.

01:02:45.560 The NBC

01:02:46.360 coverage, which

01:02:47.020 is now even

01:02:47.900 more bizarre was

01:02:48.680 Matt Lauer, right?

01:02:50.320 Matt Lauer on

01:02:51.140 the today show.

01:02:52.000 And they actually

01:02:52.860 got the news about

01:02:53.860 the world trades

01:02:54.340 that are being

01:02:54.740 hit and thought

01:02:56.160 they had cover

01:02:56.940 pictures of it

01:02:58.100 and actually went

01:02:59.520 to commercial.

01:03:00.940 We think about

01:03:01.820 how strange that

01:03:03.100 is.

01:03:03.560 Matt Lauer is

01:03:04.160 like, oh, well,

01:03:04.660 we got a picture

01:03:05.080 of something's

01:03:05.680 happened at the

01:03:06.080 world.

01:03:06.260 Tristan or do

01:03:06.640 we have the,

01:03:07.120 we don't have

01:03:08.140 them at, we're

01:03:08.520 going to go to

01:03:08.800 commercial.

01:03:09.140 We'll be back in

01:03:09.600 a minute.

01:03:10.000 And then they

01:03:10.460 came back for

01:03:10.920 the part that

01:03:11.320 you've probably

01:03:11.740 seen, you

01:03:12.820 know, cause MSNBC

01:03:13.540 reruns that

01:03:14.380 coverage over

01:03:14.960 and over again

01:03:15.380 or used to.

01:03:16.340 Were we, were

01:03:16.940 we on the

01:03:17.300 phone?

01:03:18.000 We were on

01:03:18.420 the phone.

01:03:18.740 Yeah.

01:03:19.280 So I read the

01:03:19.880 show.

01:03:20.240 Yeah.

01:03:20.600 So I remember

01:03:21.340 I was in the

01:03:22.980 bathroom and I

01:03:24.080 heard Katie

01:03:24.940 Couric say, and

01:03:26.000 a plane just

01:03:27.420 hit the world

01:03:28.100 trade center.

01:03:29.960 And, and we

01:03:31.600 don't know what

01:03:32.000 kind of plane it

01:03:32.660 was probably a

01:03:33.760 Cessna.

01:03:34.200 I mean, you

01:03:34.680 know, cause you

01:03:35.140 could avoid that

01:03:36.000 blah, blah, blah.

01:03:36.720 And I remember

01:03:37.480 I'm pressing my

01:03:38.080 teeth and I'm

01:03:38.800 listening to it and

01:03:39.400 I go into the

01:03:39.940 living room and I

01:03:41.160 look at the

01:03:41.620 hole and I'm

01:03:42.380 like, that's not

01:03:43.480 a Cessna.

01:03:44.380 And they're

01:03:45.340 not saying that

01:03:46.120 yet.

01:03:46.320 And I think I

01:03:46.860 called you and

01:03:48.060 I said, some

01:03:49.660 something big is

01:03:50.940 happening here.

01:03:52.440 And we were

01:03:53.160 talking about,

01:03:53.900 okay, well, let's

01:03:54.380 not jump to

01:03:54.960 conclusions.

01:03:55.560 Let's not freak

01:03:56.320 out.

01:03:56.740 And wham, the

01:03:57.880 second one hit.

01:03:58.860 Yeah.

01:04:00.040 Yep.

01:04:00.280 And that, I

01:04:00.960 mean, amazing.

01:04:02.540 I mean, they

01:04:02.760 had all the

01:04:03.180 footage, you

01:04:03.720 know, some

01:04:04.320 views that I

01:04:04.880 had never seen

01:04:05.920 of some of

01:04:06.740 it.

01:04:07.140 They had, you

01:04:08.020 know, the

01:04:08.260 phone, the

01:04:08.720 voicemails from

01:04:09.560 the people on

01:04:10.120 the planes.

01:04:10.780 I mean, it was

01:04:11.260 really, a lot of

01:04:11.920 it was really

01:04:12.280 tough to get

01:04:12.700 through.

01:04:13.300 Maybe the

01:04:13.840 craziest thing

01:04:14.480 actually wasn't

01:04:15.040 about 9-11

01:04:16.720 though, that they

01:04:17.420 had there, uh,

01:04:18.660 because it's the

01:04:19.300 world trade center.

01:04:20.140 It's a world

01:04:20.560 trade center

01:04:20.940 memorial.

01:04:21.600 It's not really a

01:04:22.560 9-11 memorial as

01:04:23.620 much as it's a

01:04:24.160 world trade center

01:04:24.800 memorial.

01:04:25.200 And there were

01:04:26.080 two terrorist

01:04:26.880 attacks at the

01:04:27.560 world trade center

01:04:28.080 in the 1993

01:04:28.960 bombing, which is

01:04:29.860 one that kind of

01:04:30.360 gets forgotten

01:04:30.820 for obvious

01:04:31.380 reasons.

01:04:32.000 But the

01:04:32.500 craziest thing

01:04:33.040 they, maybe the

01:04:33.940 craziest thing

01:04:34.420 they had on

01:04:34.780 display was the

01:04:36.220 guy who was

01:04:36.940 responsible for

01:04:38.780 the world trade

01:04:39.560 center bombing.

01:04:40.340 If you remember,

01:04:41.200 he had a rented

01:04:41.940 truck, he pulled

01:04:43.100 it in, and the

01:04:43.880 idea was he was

01:04:44.620 going to blow up

01:04:45.220 the parking garage.

01:04:46.060 It was going to

01:04:46.580 make one of the

01:04:47.620 towers fall and

01:04:48.480 knock over the

01:04:49.120 other one.

01:04:49.580 It was like an

01:04:50.260 attempt at

01:04:50.760 dominoes,

01:04:51.320 essentially, in a

01:04:51.940 really large scale.

01:04:53.560 Obviously, that

01:04:54.140 didn't wind up

01:04:54.700 happening.

01:04:55.200 But they didn't

01:04:56.040 know who did

01:04:56.480 it.

01:04:57.420 And it

01:04:58.300 wasn't, it was

01:04:59.180 because the

01:05:00.660 guy who was

01:05:02.480 responsible kept

01:05:03.720 going back to the

01:05:04.620 rental truck place

01:05:05.660 to get his

01:05:06.140 deposit back.

01:05:07.940 Oh my gosh.

01:05:08.700 He kept going

01:05:09.360 back to get the

01:05:10.120 deposit back, $400

01:05:12.000 deposit on a rental

01:05:13.300 truck, and kept

01:05:14.500 going back and

01:05:15.120 trying to get it

01:05:15.680 and arguing with

01:05:16.480 them, saying he

01:05:17.140 argued that his

01:05:17.960 van was stolen,

01:05:19.060 and he was angry

01:05:19.740 about it.

01:05:20.500 And he kept

01:05:20.960 trying to get his

01:05:21.380 $400 back.

01:05:22.620 In the rubble,

01:05:23.560 they found the

01:05:24.060 VIN number on

01:05:24.740 the vehicle, and

01:05:26.200 they were able to

01:05:26.780 tie it to the

01:05:27.480 rental truck and

01:05:28.140 figure out that

01:05:28.640 this guy was

01:05:29.140 responsible.

01:05:29.720 It's how they

01:05:30.020 kind of took the

01:05:30.580 whole thing down.

01:05:31.700 In the museum,

01:05:32.580 they have the

01:05:33.140 VIN number they

01:05:33.840 found in the

01:05:34.540 rubble on

01:05:34.980 display.

01:05:35.720 Wow.

01:05:36.320 Which is pretty

01:05:37.120 incredible.

01:05:38.620 But, I mean, a

01:05:39.880 $400 deposit, this

01:05:41.340 guy may have been

01:05:41.860 able to get away.

01:05:43.040 We may have never

01:05:43.780 been able to, you

01:05:44.760 know, give him the

01:05:45.480 justice he deserved.

01:05:46.260 Did they, by any

01:05:48.480 chance, find the

01:05:50.960 Dick Cheney

01:05:51.500 fingerprints or

01:05:52.400 anything like

01:05:52.800 that?

01:05:52.920 No, no.

01:05:53.720 They didn't?

01:05:54.560 No.

01:05:55.160 Huh.

01:05:55.720 Oddly enough.

01:05:56.860 You know, it's

01:05:57.140 weird, because I've

01:05:58.260 just, you know, we

01:05:58.760 just played that

01:05:59.220 thing from the New

01:05:59.700 York Times where

01:06:00.320 they said, you

01:06:00.840 know, Infowars

01:06:02.120 really made their

01:06:03.980 mark, their

01:06:04.760 flagship was Sandy

01:06:06.960 Hook.

01:06:07.380 No, no, it

01:06:08.020 wasn't.

01:06:09.100 No, it wasn't.

01:06:10.120 The flagship really

01:06:12.380 was the World Trade

01:06:13.360 Center, and that it

01:06:14.740 was a hoax, and

01:06:15.480 that 9, you know,

01:06:16.360 that 9-11 was an

01:06:17.300 inside job, and

01:06:18.240 Dick Cheney blew it

01:06:19.120 up, as well as

01:06:20.540 Katrina and the

01:06:21.520 Levies.

01:06:22.540 Those were also

01:06:23.500 blown up by Dick

01:06:25.980 Cheney and George

01:06:26.660 Bush, I don't know,

01:06:27.400 in Frogmen gear or

01:06:28.540 something like that.

01:06:30.440 Yeah.

01:06:30.600 So they didn't

01:06:31.240 have that.

01:06:32.080 I was kind of

01:06:32.880 wondering if they

01:06:33.580 might address some

01:06:34.380 of that, because

01:06:34.920 there's so many

01:06:35.860 pieces of evidence

01:06:36.700 that, you know,

01:06:38.060 disprove that

01:06:38.880 narrative there,

01:06:39.720 right?

01:06:40.860 But, again, they

01:06:41.820 didn't, and I

01:06:42.480 think that was the

01:06:42.860 right thing to do.

01:06:43.460 It's too

01:06:43.840 classy a joint,

01:06:45.660 you know, right?

01:06:46.240 Too classy a joint.

01:06:47.480 There's a classy

01:06:48.280 joint you got down

01:06:49.420 here on the ground.

01:06:50.920 But, again, remember

01:06:52.760 that more than

01:06:54.140 half, more than

01:06:55.260 half of Democrats

01:06:56.420 believed in the

01:06:58.220 Alex Jones

01:06:58.820 conspiracy theory

01:06:59.920 that George W.

01:07:01.180 Bush was behind

01:07:02.040 the 9-11

01:07:02.700 attacks.

01:07:04.600 More than half

01:07:05.540 of them in that

01:07:06.420 period did.

01:07:07.560 And it shows the

01:07:08.180 power of partisanship,

01:07:09.340 right?

01:07:09.620 We act as if this

01:07:10.640 is some new thing,

01:07:11.640 and the left is,

01:07:12.360 like, now trying to

01:07:13.040 say, well, look at

01:07:13.600 this.

01:07:14.160 You know, they're

01:07:14.780 spreading all this

01:07:15.320 fake news around,

01:07:16.580 and all these dumb

01:07:17.660 conservatives and

01:07:18.460 Republicans are

01:07:19.060 believing it because

01:07:19.540 they love Donald

01:07:20.080 Trump.

01:07:20.660 More than half, not

01:07:21.880 10%, more than

01:07:24.460 half of Democrats

01:07:25.760 in a neutral survey

01:07:27.040 said they believed

01:07:28.260 that Bush was

01:07:29.640 complicit in the

01:07:30.520 9-11 terror

01:07:31.160 attacks.

01:07:32.280 I mean, that is an

01:07:32.860 incredible thing,

01:07:33.500 and that was, it was

01:07:35.160 one of the problems I

01:07:35.760 had with that clip

01:07:36.360 because they bring up

01:07:37.020 multiple people,

01:07:38.040 and they say, well,

01:07:38.880 look at these, and

01:07:39.440 they give them as

01:07:40.060 examples of right-wing

01:07:41.140 fake news people.

01:07:42.000 All of those people

01:07:43.200 are left-wing people.

01:07:44.820 They're all big

01:07:45.920 government people.

01:07:46.740 They're all people who

01:07:47.660 believed the exact

01:07:49.240 opposite when it was

01:07:50.240 convenient for them to

01:07:51.080 do so.

01:07:51.960 When it was George W.

01:07:52.860 Bush, they were

01:07:54.080 absolutely against him.

01:07:55.800 They were snuggling up

01:07:56.920 to Cynthia McKinney,

01:07:58.700 who ran as a Green

01:08:00.060 Party presidential

01:08:00.880 candidate, who is at

01:08:02.460 least a socialist.

01:08:03.440 I mean, to the left

01:08:04.620 of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,

01:08:07.720 to the left of

01:08:08.600 Bernie Sanders, and

01:08:10.460 he was snuggling up

01:08:11.400 to them.

01:08:13.140 So, I mean, this is

01:08:14.080 not a, you know,

01:08:15.860 believing in crazy

01:08:16.840 conspiracy theories,

01:08:17.800 believing in fake news

01:08:19.300 that supports your

01:08:20.640 worldview is not

01:08:22.020 something that has

01:08:22.700 anything to do with,

01:08:25.160 it's not fresh on the

01:08:26.680 shelf.

01:08:27.080 You see what James

01:08:27.700 Coley did this weekend?

01:08:28.640 He came out and said,

01:08:30.000 Democrats, don't,

01:08:31.100 don't, don't.

01:08:31.560 What are you doing?

01:08:32.080 Stop running to the

01:08:32.940 extreme.

01:08:33.240 Stop running to the

01:08:34.000 democratic socialists.

01:08:35.160 Yeah.

01:08:36.060 That's odd.

01:08:37.700 It's an odd moment.

01:08:38.740 And a lot of the people

01:08:40.000 on the left are like,

01:08:40.620 yeah, James, we don't

01:08:41.300 really want your help.

01:08:42.200 We've, we've seen what

01:08:43.440 you do and we're not

01:08:44.540 really, we don't really

01:08:45.360 want your help.

01:08:46.160 This is a good thing for

01:08:47.720 Republicans.

01:08:48.440 You know, every once in a

01:08:49.120 while I get, you know,

01:08:50.100 the news cycle hits you

01:08:50.920 and you're like, gosh,

01:08:51.640 this, it doesn't seem

01:08:52.820 like it's, it's going

01:08:53.760 well.

01:08:54.380 And then you remember

01:08:55.580 how bad the Democrats

01:08:57.680 are at this.

01:08:58.620 I mean, the idea that

01:08:59.640 they're running on a,

01:09:00.680 yeah, their, their,

01:09:01.600 their answer to

01:09:02.740 Donald Trump and the

01:09:04.020 things that they don't

01:09:04.520 like on the right is to

01:09:05.420 say, eliminate ice.

01:09:07.400 Like that is such a

01:09:08.620 bonkers idea that the

01:09:10.580 American people will

01:09:11.280 never support to have

01:09:12.960 no border security, to

01:09:14.500 have no, no way to

01:09:17.120 process illegal

01:09:18.460 immigrants or legal

01:09:19.660 immigrants.

01:09:20.100 they're moving so far to

01:09:22.980 the left that there's no

01:09:24.780 place for them to go.

01:09:26.000 I mean, they're, they're,

01:09:26.700 they have, we knew under

01:09:28.600 Obama that they had

01:09:30.140 bedded the, the radicals,

01:09:32.060 but you know, you, you,

01:09:34.060 you couldn't point, well,

01:09:35.160 that was just fringe.

01:09:36.120 I don't know.

01:09:37.240 No, they, they have fully

01:09:38.400 embraced that.

01:09:39.240 Now they fully embraced

01:09:41.120 the fringe and the

01:09:42.320 democratic socialist.

01:09:43.380 You have to remember there

01:09:44.920 were what?

01:09:45.180 45,000 registered

01:09:47.140 democratic socialists,

01:09:48.400 45,000.

01:09:50.780 That seems like a lot

01:09:52.240 until you remember

01:09:52.820 330 million.

01:09:54.880 When you think that,

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01:09:57.200 even fill the average

01:09:58.540 football arena.

01:10:00.680 30, 35, 45,000.

01:10:03.040 I mean, that's where

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01:11:56.580 So I saw the movie

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01:12:04.080 If I, you know, I

01:12:05.460 don't know what it is

01:12:06.200 about the rock, but I

01:12:06.940 just like him.

01:12:08.100 I just like him.

01:12:09.100 Yeah.

01:12:09.420 I like his, I saw this

01:12:10.200 movie skyscraper.

01:12:11.040 Yeah.

01:12:11.160 Did you like it?

01:12:12.020 Yeah.

01:12:12.440 I mean, it's really

01:12:13.460 ridiculous.

01:12:14.620 There's no way this guy

01:12:15.880 would have been dead like

01:12:16.740 a hundred times.

01:12:18.080 Oh yeah.

01:12:18.560 I mean, it's so absurd.

01:12:19.980 Like just the climbing

01:12:20.800 that he does in that, it

01:12:22.180 would have taken six

01:12:23.160 times the length of the

01:12:24.080 movie and it is

01:12:24.740 physically impossible for

01:12:25.880 human to do, but it's

01:12:26.700 the rock.

01:12:27.180 So it's okay.

01:12:28.160 And it really

01:12:28.760 physically impossible for

01:12:29.780 him to climb that tower.

01:12:31.240 Well, I, it's certainly

01:12:32.480 in the amount of time it

01:12:33.500 took him.

01:12:34.060 Yeah.

01:12:34.300 And you know what?

01:12:34.940 I was just thinking

01:12:35.600 cause he was, but

01:12:37.140 didn't the fire start

01:12:37.960 on like 91.

01:12:39.000 So he would, yeah.

01:12:39.880 Yeah.

01:12:40.080 So he would have had to

01:12:41.120 climb a hundred stories.

01:12:43.080 No, that would, you're

01:12:44.040 right.

01:12:44.380 You're right.

01:12:44.860 It took him like six

01:12:45.820 minutes.

01:12:46.540 No, it took him like

01:12:47.220 three minutes to get to

01:12:48.400 the top.

01:12:48.920 Yeah.

01:12:49.500 So that you're right.

01:12:50.520 That, that probably

01:12:51.420 was completely ridiculous,

01:12:53.140 but really fun.

01:12:54.160 Yeah.

01:12:54.300 He's halfway up and they

01:12:55.480 start on the elevator and

01:12:57.220 he still beats them.

01:12:58.760 I don't know how that

01:12:59.820 works.

01:13:00.660 But anyway, did you see

01:13:01.940 the physics people, you

01:13:03.340 know, people did the

01:13:04.700 physics of him jumping

01:13:06.100 from, you know, the

01:13:08.260 crane, the crane into

01:13:09.540 the window, no matter

01:13:11.000 what speed he's running

01:13:13.080 at, he does not make

01:13:15.280 the building, but it's a

01:13:19.280 fun movie.

01:13:20.000 Yeah.

01:13:20.160 All right.

01:13:20.800 Back in just a second.

01:13:22.940 FISA, the FISA report.

01:13:25.340 When we come back.

01:13:28.000 Glenn back.

01:13:29.360 All right.

01:13:29.540 So when you look at the

01:13:30.180 news, you can look at it

01:13:31.660 and say, I want to be

01:13:32.320 outraged about something.

01:13:33.500 I want to be proven right

01:13:34.900 about something or whatever.

01:13:38.120 Or you can look at the

01:13:39.040 news and say, okay, what do

01:13:40.000 we do about this?

01:13:41.280 And I'd like to like to

01:13:42.700 address this FISA story with

01:13:44.740 that attitude.

01:13:45.880 First of all, let me give

01:13:46.780 you the update.

01:13:47.320 Remember the House

01:13:48.600 Intelligence Committee.

01:13:50.020 They had a game of

01:13:51.300 dueling partisan memos.

01:13:53.240 The Republicans claimed

01:13:54.280 that FISA, the FISA

01:13:56.540 warrant to surveil

01:13:59.880 Carter Page, Trump's

01:14:02.260 former advisor, was

01:14:03.460 obtained using unverified

01:14:04.980 information, the Steele

01:14:06.180 dossier.

01:14:07.080 And immediately the

01:14:08.240 Democrats said, that is

01:14:09.440 ridiculous.

01:14:10.380 We would never do that.

01:14:13.400 He is endangering

01:14:15.020 national security.

01:14:16.240 And they said that the

01:14:18.720 FISA application that

01:14:21.180 they had was based on

01:14:22.840 several things, not just

01:14:24.880 the Steele dossier.

01:14:27.220 Okay.

01:14:27.880 At the time I said, okay,

01:14:29.320 well, if that's true, then

01:14:32.240 we have to see the actual

01:14:34.760 FISA warrants.

01:14:36.520 That's the only way to know

01:14:37.740 the truth until we get our

01:14:38.980 hands on the original FISA

01:14:40.780 documents.

01:14:41.380 You can't, you can't know.

01:14:43.020 Well, that seemed like a

01:14:44.200 pipe dream when I said it,

01:14:45.380 but that all changed

01:14:46.560 Saturday after the Trump

01:14:47.940 administration released

01:14:49.240 400 plus page application

01:14:51.820 with heavy redactions.

01:14:54.420 Now, this is the first time

01:14:56.100 in 40 years we've been

01:14:57.340 given access to the

01:14:58.480 justification to authorize

01:15:00.480 surveillance on an

01:15:01.820 American citizen.

01:15:03.080 And only one word can

01:15:05.260 describe it.

01:15:05.980 And it is this terrifying.

01:15:09.420 We're supposed to be living

01:15:11.340 under a system of checks and

01:15:13.020 balances.

01:15:14.020 For example, if a high

01:15:15.960 ranking member of the DOJ or

01:15:18.120 FBI has it in for you,

01:15:20.180 they're supposed to be a check

01:15:21.700 and balance in place to

01:15:22.800 protect you.

01:15:24.260 That's where, you know, the

01:15:25.800 court comes in.

01:15:27.120 Well, after reading the Carter

01:15:28.400 page FISA application, the

01:15:29.860 only thing I can see is an out

01:15:31.540 of control FBI and DOJ and a

01:15:35.120 sham of a court system,

01:15:37.340 greenlighting whatever comes

01:15:38.740 across their desk.

01:15:39.780 The Republican memo appears

01:15:41.900 to be exactly correct.

01:15:45.200 This warrant was based almost

01:15:46.920 entirely on the Steele dossier.

01:15:50.140 Now, besides the dossier, there

01:15:51.480 were two other instances

01:15:52.680 referenced as part of the FBI's

01:15:54.820 case.

01:15:55.400 The first one was a five-year-old

01:15:58.080 dead case where two Russian

01:15:59.820 intelligence agents looked into

01:16:01.540 using page as a source, but they

01:16:04.240 literally, literally called him

01:16:06.760 an idiot and moved on and the

01:16:09.680 case went out.

01:16:11.560 The FBI didn't see page as a

01:16:14.500 threat, but suddenly this old

01:16:17.360 case, which they threw out was

01:16:20.100 brought up again in a FISA court

01:16:22.360 years later.

01:16:24.060 The second thing used was a Yahoo

01:16:26.880 News article, but guess who

01:16:29.400 sourced the information to Yahoo

01:16:31.440 News?

01:16:32.100 As we pointed out then and now

01:16:34.980 verified, Christopher Steele

01:16:37.100 using the information from the

01:16:39.780 unverified dossier was the one

01:16:42.320 who confirmed it for Yahoo News.

01:16:45.020 Oh, yeah.

01:16:45.440 And one more thing.

01:16:46.620 Steele was now working for and

01:16:48.920 getting paid by the FBI.

01:16:52.200 If you want to talk about, you

01:16:54.420 know, running an evidence circle,

01:16:57.280 this is it.

01:16:58.260 The wording of the entire

01:17:00.740 application appears to be built

01:17:03.260 to deceive.

01:17:04.660 For instance, the words opposition

01:17:07.440 research never used.

01:17:10.260 Well, that's what that is.

01:17:13.100 Why is opposition research so

01:17:15.540 important?

01:17:16.820 Well, because that means it's raw

01:17:19.540 data, the worst you can find on a

01:17:22.780 candidate that you oppose.

01:17:25.720 Candidate one is used.

01:17:28.020 Quite a bit.

01:17:28.700 And candidate one is obviously

01:17:31.080 Donald Trump.

01:17:32.220 But you never see the words

01:17:34.080 candidate two or anything else

01:17:36.820 that identifies Hillary Clinton or

01:17:38.740 the DNC as having anything at all

01:17:42.140 having to do with the commissioning

01:17:44.200 of this information.

01:17:45.760 Well, now that seems kind of

01:17:48.000 important, doesn't it?

01:17:49.940 Now, keep in mind, this is October

01:17:51.980 and the election is just weeks away.

01:17:55.420 Admitting information and writing

01:17:57.400 words that make material seem

01:17:59.240 softer has only one purpose, and

01:18:01.920 that is to deceive.

01:18:04.480 The FBI and DOJ were trying to

01:18:07.660 deceive the FISA court.

01:18:09.920 There's no other way to explain it.

01:18:11.860 But I don't really even know if it

01:18:15.380 made a difference.

01:18:16.900 The court looks like they just

01:18:18.440 rubber stamp these cases anyway.

01:18:20.180 We've heard rumors that FISA warrants

01:18:22.820 are overwhelmingly approved

01:18:24.880 rather than denied.

01:18:25.860 But this is ridiculous and

01:18:28.500 unconstitutional.

01:18:30.140 How many other Americans are being

01:18:31.480 spied on right now based off of a

01:18:35.380 political motivation or screw it,

01:18:38.080 maybe even a grudge from some pissed

01:18:40.560 off FBI or DOJ employee?

01:18:43.180 FISA, FISA needs an audit.

01:18:48.140 You want to know why this story

01:18:49.800 matters and what you can do about

01:18:52.300 it besides just yelling back and

01:18:54.680 forth, it's the Democrats, it's the

01:18:56.200 Republicans, it's the Democrats,

01:18:57.800 it's the Republicans.

01:18:59.320 Let's all stand up and demand a

01:19:02.280 FISA audit now.

01:19:04.560 It's Monday, July 23rd.

01:19:14.360 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:19:16.660 So I would say, I would ask Jason

01:19:19.760 Petrill how his weekend was, but I

01:19:23.740 know he spent it reading the FISA

01:19:26.780 document, 400 plus pages.

01:19:29.120 Nerd!

01:19:29.660 Nerd!

01:19:29.940 It's like every other week I'm reading

01:19:31.800 a several hundred page indictment.

01:19:33.800 This is getting out of control.

01:19:34.980 That's right.

01:19:35.520 That's right.

01:19:36.660 So you've been following this story

01:19:38.620 for a long time.

01:19:40.140 Tell me what you found.

01:19:42.280 Well, I was hoping to find that

01:19:46.880 there was something in there that we

01:19:48.560 were missing from the Republican

01:19:50.440 memo.

01:19:52.340 Basically, no, it seemed like it was

01:19:54.460 pretty much all correct.

01:19:55.480 Everything in there.

01:19:57.180 There was a whole lot of back and

01:19:58.880 forth over the weekend about, no, the

01:20:01.440 Democrat memo was correct.

01:20:02.560 See, they did name, you know, they

01:20:04.160 did mention that it was opposition

01:20:05.360 to research.

01:20:05.940 Well, my, and you just mentioned

01:20:07.140 this, the words opposition and

01:20:08.900 research were never put, thrown in

01:20:10.520 there.

01:20:10.960 Now, I thought that was kind of an

01:20:12.320 important designation there because

01:20:14.160 the way it was written and it was

01:20:16.000 written in a little footnote at the

01:20:17.700 bottom of one of the pages was, and

01:20:19.960 it's just, I don't have it in front

01:20:21.460 of me, but it was something along the

01:20:22.580 lines of law firm A, you know,

01:20:26.080 contacted, you know, U.S.

01:20:28.240 person, or no, source number one, all

01:20:31.820 these, like, very vague, you know, like

01:20:33.540 terms, never once, like, candidate one

01:20:36.340 or party two.

01:20:38.760 Yeah, here's that quote.

01:20:40.480 A U.S.-based law firm had hired the

01:20:42.400 identified U.S.

01:20:43.140 person to conduct research regarding

01:20:44.620 candidate one, Trump's, ties to Russia.

01:20:48.080 The FBI speculates that the identified U.S.

01:20:51.220 person was likely looking for information

01:20:53.120 that could be used to discredit Trump's

01:20:55.500 campaign.

01:20:55.820 Okay, right there.

01:20:57.200 Speculate.

01:20:57.960 Speculate.

01:20:58.440 My rear.

01:20:59.320 You knew where this came from.

01:21:01.080 You knew this came from Steele, hired

01:21:03.420 by Fusion GPS, hired by the DNC and

01:21:06.060 Hillary Clinton.

01:21:07.200 How can you speculate?

01:21:08.580 Yeah, the FBI, the FBI knew every step

01:21:11.920 of the way.

01:21:12.980 In fact, one of the people from Fusion

01:21:14.800 GPS was feeding the FBI information.

01:21:18.820 You remember?

01:21:19.440 Feeding the DOJ information through

01:21:21.180 Bruce Ohr and his wife, who was an

01:21:22.780 employee of Fusion GPS.

01:21:24.880 Yes.

01:21:25.380 So they knew.

01:21:26.660 They absolutely knew.

01:21:28.320 But I mean, you know.

01:21:29.260 So why use the word speculate?

01:21:30.720 And why not just say this is, this is.

01:21:32.840 If they were hiding it, wouldn't they

01:21:33.840 just not include it?

01:21:35.200 Well, why would they bother going through

01:21:36.680 the.

01:21:37.120 So you could have this argument.

01:21:39.120 Because you could say, look, we

01:21:40.640 speculate.

01:21:41.220 We don't know.

01:21:41.740 We speculate that this was higher.

01:21:43.380 You know, somebody was hiring somebody

01:21:44.900 to find out about Donald Trump.

01:21:48.120 Well, OK, who, why are you why are you

01:21:54.440 pushing this?

01:21:55.240 If it's the if it's the Republicans, you

01:21:58.000 know, that started this with Fusion GPS.

01:22:01.340 OK, well, we now know it's politically

01:22:02.820 motivated.

01:22:03.960 OK, so we'll take that into consideration.

01:22:06.220 If you say this is the information that the

01:22:12.440 person running against who's neck and

01:22:16.640 neck right now with Donald Trump, they are

01:22:20.600 currently running.

01:22:21.740 We're a month away.

01:22:23.120 Oh, and by the way, the FBI answers to

01:22:26.940 Barack Obama, who also is in bed with the

01:22:32.620 Clintons and the DOJ is in bed with the

01:22:35.300 Clintons by not saying that it's the

01:22:37.460 Clinton campaign.

01:22:38.640 I think it changes context entirely.

01:22:42.620 And the and the way they phrased that

01:22:44.000 there, they said law for U.S.

01:22:45.740 law firm or something like that.

01:22:47.600 Contracted source one, all this stuff

01:22:50.040 or U.S.

01:22:50.540 person one.

01:22:51.440 So even the way they did that.

01:22:53.120 So just just compare and contrast when

01:22:55.080 they wanted to when it was very obvious

01:22:57.240 that they were talking about the Republican

01:22:58.520 Party and Trump, they said candidate one

01:23:00.740 Trump and political party Republican.

01:23:04.340 Now, they should have said if they were

01:23:06.500 being fully forthright and trustworthy

01:23:08.520 here, they would have said candidate

01:23:11.040 candidate two and political party two

01:23:15.160 contacted U.S.

01:23:16.680 citizen one.

01:23:18.120 Now, that's that's what they that's what

01:23:20.180 they are working around.

01:23:21.460 They're talking around.

01:23:22.140 But the law U.S.

01:23:23.220 law firm is the law firm that was hired

01:23:26.040 by the DNC and the Hillary Clinton

01:23:27.700 campaign.

01:23:28.140 The U.S.

01:23:29.980 person was Glenn Simpson, head of

01:23:32.120 Fusion GPS.

01:23:33.260 Now, if they would have worded it the

01:23:34.700 other way, that would have been pretty

01:23:36.200 dang obvious to all the judges.

01:23:37.520 They're going, wait a minute.

01:23:38.680 So what you're telling us here is that

01:23:40.380 opposition research from this from

01:23:43.060 Donald Trump's rival

01:23:44.880 camp rival paid for this.

01:23:47.280 And you're using this as

01:23:49.600 your justification for surveillance

01:23:52.420 word.

01:23:52.960 No.

01:23:54.140 Right.

01:23:54.940 Yeah.

01:23:55.160 No.

01:23:55.280 You disagree with that?

01:23:57.600 There's not anything there.

01:23:59.840 I just like they did say that the

01:24:01.660 information was used being used to

01:24:04.160 discredit candidate one's campaign.

01:24:06.240 We speculate.

01:24:07.060 We speculate.

01:24:07.680 Right.

01:24:07.900 But I mean, well, I don't know.

01:24:10.540 Did the I don't know.

01:24:11.560 Maybe they knew.

01:24:12.140 Maybe they didn't at that point.

01:24:13.100 But I guess the argument, though, is

01:24:14.900 if you are going to a court.

01:24:17.100 Right.

01:24:17.800 If I'm going to a court as a

01:24:19.040 prosecuting attorney or I'm going to a

01:24:21.040 court as you know, I'm putting my

01:24:23.320 best case forward to the court.

01:24:25.020 Right.

01:24:25.420 The it's the court's job to look

01:24:28.340 at that and say, OK, here, you

01:24:29.860 know, they're not going to they're

01:24:31.540 going to look at that.

01:24:32.220 And it's the court's job to catch

01:24:33.580 that.

01:24:33.860 Right.

01:24:34.540 Is it is the court's job to look at

01:24:35.980 that and say, OK, they're saying

01:24:36.980 this is opposition research.

01:24:37.980 I should factor that in.

01:24:38.780 And again, what their point is, my

01:24:40.720 understanding, and you went through

01:24:41.620 this whole thing, I haven't read all

01:24:42.460 400 pages.

01:24:43.420 And honestly, of course, neither of

01:24:44.640 you, because a lot of it's

01:24:45.920 redacted.

01:24:46.640 Yeah.

01:24:46.820 And you don't even really don't.

01:24:48.060 We still don't know what's in this

01:24:49.360 fully.

01:24:50.220 We could.

01:24:50.740 Donald Trump could release all of

01:24:53.040 it.

01:24:53.300 Yeah.

01:24:53.560 And I mean, his prerogative.

01:24:55.280 We don't know because they do what

01:24:57.920 is in there that is redacted seems

01:25:00.660 to be by the intro that is not

01:25:02.320 redacted to be other sources of

01:25:04.200 information.

01:25:04.740 So we don't necessarily think for

01:25:06.540 sure that that the dossier was the

01:25:08.300 only source of what you know of why

01:25:10.920 they decided to do this.

01:25:12.320 However, they also seem to think that

01:25:14.720 steel was a legitimate source

01:25:16.540 previously.

01:25:17.800 So and I think this is a but they

01:25:19.840 didn't know.

01:25:20.780 They didn't.

01:25:21.220 They closed it.

01:25:22.560 It only showed the FBI threw this

01:25:25.100 case out and they actually said that

01:25:26.940 we don't think that they actually

01:25:28.340 pulled the transcripts from the

01:25:30.080 Russian agents who said this guy

01:25:31.420 just wants money.

01:25:32.200 He's a moron.

01:25:32.820 And the FBI concluded that in 2015

01:25:34.800 and said, yes, we we declared this

01:25:37.140 guy did not know that these people

01:25:39.080 Russian agents and on this

01:25:40.900 particular matter, because I know they

01:25:42.240 had referred to it in here, which I

01:25:44.060 had read only excerpts of it.

01:25:45.320 But that's what that's what was odd

01:25:46.660 is they brought it back as

01:25:48.560 going towards justification

01:25:49.980 to the that like that made this

01:25:52.540 steel dossier thing seem legit

01:25:54.280 was like, oh, yeah.

01:25:55.260 And he was approached by these

01:25:56.800 Russian agents back in 2013.

01:25:58.940 Well, that makes no sense because

01:26:00.640 you already said in your own

01:26:02.260 declaration that he was not guilty

01:26:03.880 there.

01:26:04.760 So why are you using it?

01:26:06.080 If you if you declared him not

01:26:07.460 guilty there, why are you using it

01:26:09.160 all of a sudden as evidence that

01:26:10.380 he's guilty now?

01:26:12.300 Right.

01:26:13.280 Yeah, it's it's really you know,

01:26:14.400 I what I kind of find found myself

01:26:15.980 as I was reading through this

01:26:17.000 over the weekend.

01:26:19.920 It really puts a question

01:26:22.640 mark as to why we have these

01:26:23.980 discussions.

01:26:25.040 I kept coming back to the idea

01:26:26.300 that there was this lengthy

01:26:27.480 discussion that you mentioned and

01:26:28.720 we talked about about how, okay,

01:26:30.440 well, did did they use the steel

01:26:32.520 stuff?

01:26:33.120 Is it one of those things?

01:26:34.120 Did they classify it as

01:26:35.320 opposition research?

01:26:36.120 And there was a multiple week

01:26:37.320 battle about this with both sides

01:26:38.860 saying they did.

01:26:39.860 They didn't.

01:26:40.260 And then the memos came out and

01:26:41.260 we had that whole discussion and

01:26:42.540 we all said when the FISA things

01:26:43.560 comes out, we'll be able to see

01:26:44.540 which side it is.

01:26:45.400 The FISA report comes out and

01:26:46.900 both sides are still saying this

01:26:49.160 supports exactly what we believed

01:26:50.440 before because nobody is actually

01:26:52.540 nobody's actually searching for the

01:26:54.300 truth.

01:26:55.020 That's the problem.

01:26:55.860 Very few.

01:26:56.380 Nobody is.

01:26:56.940 I know.

01:26:57.200 Yeah, very Jason read the whole

01:26:58.460 thing and is actually trying to

01:26:59.700 decipher it.

01:27:00.400 No, I know.

01:27:00.620 But there's very few.

01:27:01.940 Yeah.

01:27:02.940 When you talk about the people in

01:27:04.660 Washington and and the mainstream

01:27:06.580 media, I don't think that they're

01:27:07.960 actually looking for the truth.

01:27:09.660 No, they're looking to do it.

01:27:12.100 Look, let's just boil it down to the

01:27:14.340 evil capitalist.

01:27:15.560 The evil capitalist is looking to

01:27:17.820 tell their fans and their readers

01:27:20.400 or their viewers exactly what they

01:27:22.800 want to hear, because people are now

01:27:25.540 in a world where they don't want to

01:27:27.340 hear things and they will punish you

01:27:29.220 for it.

01:27:30.440 OK, so what is the New York Times

01:27:33.180 doing?

01:27:33.620 The New York Times and CNN, they're

01:27:35.680 telling this story that fits the

01:27:39.300 narrative that they their viewers

01:27:41.180 have come to expect.

01:27:42.880 And so is everybody else.

01:27:44.940 Yeah, we're looking for the truth.

01:27:47.280 Let just let the chips fall where

01:27:48.760 they may.

01:27:49.320 I will tell you that I, you know, I

01:27:52.540 can appreciate the benefit of the

01:27:55.020 doubt here, but I don't think these

01:27:57.040 actors have have earned that right to

01:27:59.680 have benefit of the doubt on any side.

01:28:02.900 I don't give the benefit of the doubt

01:28:04.360 to any side on this.

01:28:06.520 It just strikes me as the way this

01:28:08.280 plays out is at some point in the

01:28:10.640 future, Robert Mueller is going to

01:28:12.640 release this report and we're going

01:28:14.220 to get a lot more information that we

01:28:15.420 don't currently have.

01:28:16.900 And we're going to be able to look at

01:28:18.280 it and we're going to be able to say

01:28:18.980 this part's BS.

01:28:20.020 This part's real.

01:28:21.260 You know, like, but until that happens,

01:28:23.440 we're just all speculating on

01:28:24.820 unknowns.

01:28:25.520 The parts in the dossier that

01:28:28.320 supposedly got this this greenlit.

01:28:30.540 That is very easily verifiable.

01:28:32.940 Did he or did he not meet with this

01:28:34.260 person?

01:28:34.640 You would think they would be able

01:28:35.860 to somehow get other witnesses to

01:28:37.660 say, yeah, we saw Carter Page and

01:28:39.580 this other guy meet.

01:28:41.160 And so now this goes towards

01:28:42.560 collusion.

01:28:43.060 He lied.

01:28:43.980 But Carter Page has been hasn't been

01:28:45.620 convicted of a single thing.

01:28:47.280 In that time, we've had a couple

01:28:48.260 people convicted of lying to the FBI.

01:28:51.040 That's the extent of their charges.

01:28:52.600 And then Manafort, who probably has

01:28:55.580 been guilty since the 60s of similar

01:28:57.740 stuff.

01:28:58.500 Have either of you seen anything that

01:29:00.640 disproves either one of these two

01:29:01.740 points?

01:29:02.240 One, Russia tried to influence our

01:29:04.940 elections.

01:29:06.200 Two.

01:29:06.500 And yes, tried to.

01:29:07.960 Yes.

01:29:08.160 Yeah.

01:29:08.360 You can read it in the indictment.

01:29:09.620 It's very damning.

01:29:10.340 And two, I don't think Donald Trump

01:29:11.980 had anything to do with colluding with

01:29:13.220 Russians to try to win the election.

01:29:14.980 Neither one of those points.

01:29:15.620 I think he might have if they had

01:29:19.000 something.

01:29:19.640 Right.

01:29:19.820 Like he.

01:29:20.240 Yeah.

01:29:20.420 They had that meeting.

01:29:21.400 They tried to get information.

01:29:22.600 They didn't get it, though.

01:29:23.380 Right.

01:29:23.640 Right.

01:29:23.780 Like, I have not seen anything that.

01:29:25.340 No.

01:29:26.100 You know.

01:29:26.980 Yeah.

01:29:27.360 They tried.

01:29:28.260 So they tried it all different ways.

01:29:29.720 I don't think Donald Trump was

01:29:30.480 involved in a specific collusion

01:29:32.420 thing.

01:29:32.780 And until I see other.

01:29:33.720 I have not seen evidence that

01:29:34.720 disproves either one of those two

01:29:35.760 points.

01:29:35.880 This is why we did the chalkboard

01:29:37.680 last.

01:29:38.180 I think it was last Thursday or

01:29:39.380 Wednesday where I laid out the seven

01:29:42.320 the seven things this case revolves

01:29:45.380 around.

01:29:45.840 And we've solved all of the big ones

01:29:48.840 that answer about Trump.

01:29:50.300 We haven't even attempted to look at

01:29:53.000 the questions where it involves the

01:29:55.440 Democrats.

01:29:56.120 Yeah.

01:29:57.200 Well, so what are we doing until

01:30:00.280 we're serious and we're not just

01:30:02.880 looking to kill Donald Trump?

01:30:05.880 This means nothing.

01:30:07.800 I want to know what are we doing to

01:30:10.260 stop Russia from doing it again in

01:30:13.180 the midterms and God forbid in 2020.

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01:32:20.000 Did you while I was gone on vacation talk

01:32:22.140 about the Papa John's guy at all?

01:32:23.980 Yes.

01:32:24.540 What was your take on that?

01:32:26.440 Uh, that he's dumb as a box of rocks.

01:32:29.700 Okay.

01:32:30.260 It seems that seems accurate.

01:32:31.640 Yeah, I was interested in that it was

01:32:33.120 the first time I could ever remember

01:32:34.420 someone being fired specifically because

01:32:38.140 they didn't say N word where like it

01:32:42.060 wasn't that he said something that was

01:32:43.760 racist.

01:32:45.580 No, my understanding of it and correct

01:32:48.600 me if I'm wrong here.

01:32:49.240 What he said basically was, uh, you

01:32:51.360 know, there was, they were talking about

01:32:52.580 controversy around race and he said,

01:32:54.480 look, I mean, you know, the guy from

01:32:56.140 Kentucky fried chicken, the Colonel

01:32:57.460 Sanders was famous for using the N

01:32:59.220 word and he said the actual word.

01:33:00.620 Now that point, as I just said, it is

01:33:02.220 not offensive at all.

01:33:03.120 Right.

01:33:03.520 Like to say that, you know, someone else

01:33:05.700 said something and he wasn't fired and

01:33:07.060 he said the N word.

01:33:08.240 The issue is actually saying the N

01:33:10.420 word.

01:33:10.780 Well, it goes a little deeper than that.

01:33:13.520 I think we'll touch on that and also

01:33:17.200 the rest of the news of the day coming

01:33:18.320 up in just a second.

01:33:20.560 So let me just recap for Stu real

01:33:22.940 quick because he was gone when the

01:33:25.340 Papa John's thing happened.

01:33:26.700 I think what happened with with Papa

01:33:29.440 John's is there was somebody who was

01:33:31.320 out to get him in the company.

01:33:33.760 Now, it may have been with good reason.

01:33:35.280 Right.

01:33:36.160 Because, you know, why are you having

01:33:38.100 a PR, you know, drill?

01:33:41.740 You've had PR drills before.

01:33:43.360 Yeah, but only when PR drills.

01:33:44.760 That's only when you're expected to

01:33:46.480 be like attacked, attacked.

01:33:48.260 And he had mixed it up on the NFL

01:33:50.700 issue.

01:33:51.320 So I think that's why it had kind of

01:33:52.740 blown over.

01:33:53.340 So they obviously thought we're in

01:33:55.560 trouble with this guy.

01:33:56.340 He's going to say something again or

01:33:57.760 do something again.

01:33:59.480 And so in that, he said, well, I

01:34:02.580 don't understand the problem.

01:34:03.420 When I was growing up in Indiana, they

01:34:05.100 were dragging them behind trucks.

01:34:07.560 OK, probably not the thing you should

01:34:09.480 seem like a really bad thing to say.

01:34:10.880 Yeah, probably.

01:34:11.500 You know, you're in your try.

01:34:12.840 You're trying to do your best.

01:34:14.900 You know, the first time you say that

01:34:16.660 and you're like, OK, that's something

01:34:17.940 you don't say.

01:34:19.920 No, don't say that.

01:34:21.760 And then the second time he said, you

01:34:23.760 know, Colonel Sanders.

01:34:25.960 He called them and that's not good.

01:34:29.540 So at that point, I as a as a PR person

01:34:32.880 go, OK, all right.

01:34:33.780 We just got to get this guy out of the

01:34:34.740 company.

01:34:35.060 I can't.

01:34:35.380 I can't work with this guy because

01:34:37.000 there was that that was the thought of

01:34:38.300 like either someone's out to get him or

01:34:39.660 there is a well-known record of

01:34:42.160 things more serious than that behind

01:34:44.200 closed doors, perhaps, which is always

01:34:46.120 something you can't factor in if you're

01:34:47.880 not in the building.

01:34:48.600 So it could it could easily have been

01:34:50.820 that.

01:34:51.340 Do you think it had anything to do with

01:34:52.420 the idea that their slogan is

01:34:54.160 essentially eugenics?

01:34:56.980 Better ingredients, better pizza.

01:34:59.500 Papa John's.

01:35:00.480 So they're saying basically genetics

01:35:02.100 were people.

01:35:03.020 But, you know, it's a subtle eugenics

01:35:05.540 message, but it's clearly what they're

01:35:07.460 going for.

01:35:07.980 It's so subtle.

01:35:08.840 No one's ever picked up on it.

01:35:10.020 No, I know.

01:35:10.640 That's incredibly subtle.

01:35:12.960 Pat, welcome to the program.

01:35:14.320 A couple of other things.

01:35:15.160 There was in in church news, there was

01:35:20.980 Reverend Jeffers who came out this

01:35:26.320 weekend and said, yeah, you know, I

01:35:28.220 mean, Donald Trump is just like Ronald

01:35:31.520 Reagan.

01:35:32.000 I mean, you know, we went, you know, we

01:35:33.820 supported in the Christian community.

01:35:35.740 Ronald Reagan, you know, even though he

01:35:37.740 was having affairs.

01:35:38.860 He's a known womanizer.

01:35:40.220 Wasn't that except for?

01:35:41.960 No, he wasn't a known womanizer.

01:35:44.320 I've never even heard that before.

01:35:46.100 Not ever.

01:35:46.780 He loved Nancy.

01:35:47.420 I've never even heard it alleged before.

01:35:49.740 No, he loved Nancy.

01:35:51.540 In fact, the I think it was the National

01:35:55.020 Review reached out to a lot of people

01:35:57.080 that worked with Ronald and they were

01:35:58.800 all like, no, no.

01:36:02.400 Even the left never said that about him,

01:36:05.160 to my knowledge.

01:36:05.920 No, I've never heard that.

01:36:07.400 But thank you.

01:36:08.280 Yeah.

01:36:08.880 Pastor Jeffers.

01:36:09.900 Brilliant as always.

01:36:10.660 Yet another wonderful thing.

01:36:13.260 There was a church shooting also this

01:36:15.580 weekend, an LDS church.

01:36:18.660 Somebody came in.

01:36:19.600 Do we have the facts on that one?

01:36:21.800 Yeah.

01:36:22.420 One person was killed.

01:36:24.620 What was the motivation?

01:36:26.040 A gunman killed a resident.

01:36:29.400 They said it wasn't church related.

01:36:31.560 They said it was personal.

01:36:33.320 Yeah.

01:36:33.820 An individual.

01:36:34.840 So he went in there looking specifically

01:36:36.480 for somebody.

01:36:37.280 But I don't know what the deal was with

01:36:40.740 the individual.

01:36:42.460 Does it say that yet?

01:36:43.880 Does it?

01:36:45.340 As of last night, they didn't know.

01:36:48.020 And the other news that we haven't talked

01:36:50.100 about today that I think is pretty big is

01:36:52.460 Iran.

01:36:53.520 The only language that is understood in the

01:37:02.020 Middle East is the language of strength.

01:37:04.660 That's the only thing they understand.

01:37:06.720 And if you and it's it's clearly documented.

01:37:10.620 I mean, look at all of the heroes.

01:37:11.680 Look at Mohammed.

01:37:13.120 Jesus couldn't have been the Messiah

01:37:15.800 because he didn't bring destruction and

01:37:17.940 death.

01:37:18.960 He wasn't a strong arm.

01:37:20.360 He came in and his kingdom was one of

01:37:23.380 peace.

01:37:23.860 So he didn't even connect back then with

01:37:26.920 people.

01:37:28.900 Mohammed, on the other hand, was a warrior.

01:37:32.280 And everybody who is admired over in the

01:37:35.300 Middle East is a warrior.

01:37:36.520 They see a strong man as something to be

01:37:41.020 desired and something good.

01:37:42.500 The only thing that you can do is speak

01:37:45.040 power to that power.

01:37:48.920 Donald Trump just wrote a text message

01:37:53.420 back to Iran.

01:37:54.680 He actually screamed it all.

01:37:56.280 He screamed all of it.

01:37:57.980 All of it.

01:37:58.360 It's all it's all caps to to Iranian

01:38:01.500 presidential Rouhani and then capital

01:38:03.720 letters.

01:38:04.800 Never, never, ever threaten the United

01:38:07.620 States again or you will suffer the

01:38:10.020 consequences, the likes of which few

01:38:12.540 throughout history have ever suffered

01:38:14.520 before.

01:38:15.260 We are no longer a country that will

01:38:17.240 stand for your demented words of

01:38:20.340 violence and death.

01:38:22.260 Be cautious.

01:38:24.800 That's strong.

01:38:25.880 Pretty strong.

01:38:26.720 Really strong.

01:38:27.760 And Rouhani, of course, has warned him

01:38:30.560 back that the warning of a warning of

01:38:33.280 a warning.

01:38:33.620 Yeah, the that they could bring about the

01:38:36.260 mother of all the mother of all wars.

01:38:38.500 Well, last time we heard that about the

01:38:41.420 mother of all wars, it wasn't even the

01:38:42.820 second cousin twice removed of all wars.

01:38:45.920 I don't it wasn't even related to

01:38:48.400 the first Iraq one, right?

01:38:49.500 Yeah, that was the mother of all wars

01:38:51.200 in Iraq.

01:38:52.020 That was actually the thing he was

01:38:53.320 responding to.

01:38:54.160 Right.

01:38:54.540 At least reportedly, this is this is what

01:38:56.660 caused the Trump tweet.

01:38:57.900 This statement, America should know that

01:38:59.660 peace with Iran is the mother of all

01:39:01.180 peace and war with Iran is the mother

01:39:02.700 of all wars.

01:39:03.860 You are not in a position to incite the

01:39:05.600 Iranian nation against Iran's security

01:39:07.440 and interests.

01:39:09.480 So I don't know, is the all cap threat?

01:39:11.560 Is that the way to go with these guys?

01:39:13.300 I don't know.

01:39:13.960 Maybe it's really hard to, you know,

01:39:17.560 it seemed like it worked for a while

01:39:19.100 with North Korea.

01:39:20.600 Now, I'm not so sure because North

01:39:22.560 Korea seems to be back on track doing

01:39:24.400 whatever they please.

01:39:27.000 And maybe it'll work with with Iran.

01:39:29.120 Well, we know we've tried it the other

01:39:30.320 way.

01:39:31.100 Oh, for sure.

01:39:32.260 We had eight years of the other way.

01:39:34.320 Well, we've had 30 years of the other

01:39:36.160 way.

01:39:36.420 Yeah.

01:39:36.560 I mean, it's been going on and on and

01:39:38.600 on and on and we're not getting any

01:39:40.020 better with them.

01:39:41.580 And we've tried, you know, we've tried

01:39:43.540 shunning them.

01:39:44.480 We have tried blocking them from the

01:39:46.040 rest of the world.

01:39:46.820 That seemed to be working.

01:39:49.020 Now, what we are doing is we have put

01:39:51.200 people from my understanding, we've put

01:39:53.240 boots on the ground.

01:39:54.300 I mean, I don't mean military boots,

01:39:56.400 sneakers on the ground.

01:39:58.800 And we're helping, you know, the

01:40:02.020 the protesters.

01:40:03.280 We're helping the people on the street

01:40:04.820 organize and get their word out so they

01:40:07.300 can bring pressure from the streets.

01:40:10.200 Now, should we be doing that?

01:40:12.200 Well, that's what we called for with

01:40:14.080 Obama.

01:40:15.540 Right.

01:40:15.960 Isn't that what we wanted him to do?

01:40:17.180 And he didn't do anything.

01:40:18.120 No, I didn't necessarily put people on the

01:40:20.320 streets, but I do.

01:40:21.360 I wouldn't mind a a well-crafted speech

01:40:25.240 that says Iranian people, we stand with

01:40:27.460 you.

01:40:27.820 You're living under an oppressor.

01:40:29.820 You threw off the chains of one

01:40:31.400 oppressor just to take on the shackles

01:40:34.460 of a new one.

01:40:35.340 But if you tell them that and it sparks

01:40:37.480 insurrection, you kind of have to be

01:40:39.560 there for them.

01:40:41.320 Oh, no, no.

01:40:41.820 We never do that.

01:40:42.700 No, no.

01:40:43.680 They're on their own when that happens.

01:40:44.600 Yeah, we're going to help.

01:40:46.820 Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that.

01:40:48.900 Yeah, we're just saying, you want it,

01:40:50.540 you should go get it.

01:40:52.560 It's amazing, though, all this stuff,

01:40:54.700 right, like the tweet today.

01:40:56.320 And we haven't talked that much about

01:40:57.820 it.

01:40:58.240 I mean, look, that is a really important

01:40:59.900 thing.

01:41:00.220 We've spent years of the show talking

01:41:02.760 about the inner workings of Iran and why

01:41:04.440 they're so important.

01:41:05.580 And then this happens today and we're

01:41:07.020 like, yeah, whatever.

01:41:08.540 And I think it's honestly like there's so

01:41:10.580 much talk now.

01:41:11.980 There's so much of this every day.

01:41:13.760 You know, I was I was driving.

01:41:15.960 I was, I guess, late in the week last

01:41:17.780 week and someone on the radio said it

01:41:19.880 had been one month since the North

01:41:22.500 Korea summit.

01:41:24.100 That seems like it was 1885 to me right

01:41:26.960 now.

01:41:27.180 Like that seems like ancient, ancient

01:41:29.780 history.

01:41:30.400 And every day everyone gets worked up

01:41:33.600 over, you know, some tweet that Donald

01:41:35.220 Trump sends or something that somebody

01:41:36.860 in the media does or some boycott we're

01:41:38.580 all supposed to be involved in and some

01:41:40.000 some cards, whatever that controversy of

01:41:41.800 the moment are.

01:41:42.320 And it's like they're so fleeting and so

01:41:45.060 meaningless just a week or two later.

01:41:47.580 I mean, the North Korea things are really

01:41:48.720 big deal and it feels old with these

01:41:50.860 little disagreements and, you know,

01:41:52.640 issues about, you know, whatever the

01:41:54.900 controversy of the day is.

01:41:56.600 It just seems like so such such a big

01:41:59.360 nothing burger.

01:42:00.360 It's almost like we're addicted to

01:42:01.620 outrage.

01:42:03.300 Isn't it?

01:42:04.020 Yeah, that was what I was going for.

01:42:05.220 Let a promotion of your new book

01:42:06.780 coming out soon, coming out September

01:42:08.840 18th, the addiction to outrage.

01:42:10.880 But it is it is we we line up every day

01:42:14.300 to have somebody tell us something that

01:42:17.420 outrages us and then we get on Twitter

01:42:20.780 and Facebook and we read more and write

01:42:23.900 even more and we spend the day outraged

01:42:28.820 by something and then the next week we

01:42:30.820 don't even remember what it was.

01:42:33.540 Isn't that weird?

01:42:34.960 Isn't that a weird trait?

01:42:36.800 It's a strange thing we're going through

01:42:38.580 that I don't feel like we've gone through

01:42:40.580 before.

01:42:41.560 Well, I know that our kids go through it.

01:42:43.400 I mean, I went through it as a kid and I

01:42:44.740 just said to my kids just this weekend.

01:42:48.280 Rafe, she's always going to be your

01:42:50.240 sister.

01:42:50.700 And trust me, there's going to be times

01:42:52.760 that you look back at this time and you

01:42:54.400 won't even remember what you were mad at.

01:42:56.060 Yeah.

01:42:56.800 OK, we've done that with our kids.

01:42:58.120 Our parents.

01:42:59.140 Except it's now happening.

01:43:00.580 Not in a lifetime.

01:43:02.120 It's happening tomorrow.

01:43:04.740 Yeah.

01:43:04.900 You won't know what you were mad about.

01:43:06.420 Yeah.

01:43:06.760 It's it's a it's a day to day thing.

01:43:08.560 I was thinking about this a little bit

01:43:09.660 over vacation as well.

01:43:10.720 And that like we as people who've been

01:43:14.020 in radio for a long time and got into

01:43:16.460 this industry some for some reason by

01:43:18.740 choice.

01:43:20.260 One of the jokes among radio people

01:43:23.140 broadcasters in general are the people

01:43:25.620 that decide to go into this industry are

01:43:27.600 all insane.

01:43:28.520 Right.

01:43:28.660 Like it's just a bunch of crazy people

01:43:30.180 and lots of big egos and and people who

01:43:33.300 are unstable and you know it's kind of

01:43:35.320 like a joke and us and us.

01:43:37.340 We're obviously perfect.

01:43:38.500 But I think every you have to have to

01:43:39.740 be a little nuts to go into this

01:43:41.360 industry.

01:43:41.900 Right.

01:43:42.660 And it's weird because I think with

01:43:45.600 social media everyone is doing their

01:43:48.260 own show every day.

01:43:49.580 Right.

01:43:50.160 Everybody is a broadcaster now.

01:43:53.380 And I know this and we've done this

01:43:55.280 for many years.

01:43:56.700 You're constantly mining your own life

01:43:59.320 for these moments.

01:44:01.340 You walk by a sign and it makes you

01:44:03.320 think of something and you think about

01:44:04.460 bringing it back on the show the next

01:44:05.860 day.

01:44:06.080 You're constantly prepping your own

01:44:07.620 show.

01:44:08.300 It's what we do all the time.

01:44:10.200 And in addition to that you're also

01:44:12.240 looking for the most interesting way

01:44:13.740 to present that information.

01:44:15.600 Like what's the best way to tell that

01:44:16.920 story.

01:44:17.360 What's the what's the way that's going

01:44:18.560 to get most people interested in

01:44:20.140 listening to.

01:44:21.120 And as a society that's not necessarily

01:44:23.180 bad when 0.5 percent of your society

01:44:26.440 is in that business.

01:44:27.700 But when 95 percent.

01:44:28.740 95 percent are good.

01:44:30.540 It makes everybody crazy.

01:44:32.400 And I think maybe it's a reverse of

01:44:34.400 where the way we used to think about

01:44:35.540 it in radio in which everyone who

01:44:36.900 gets into radio is insane.

01:44:38.280 Maybe radio makes you insane.

01:44:40.240 Maybe broadcasting applies a bunch of

01:44:43.580 really weird treatments of your life

01:44:45.860 to your existence.

01:44:47.860 And it doesn't have good outcomes a

01:44:49.960 lot of the time.

01:44:50.520 And now everybody's doing it.

01:44:52.260 And many people who are doing it

01:44:54.720 without maybe doing the research of

01:44:57.220 of of a radio host or whatever.

01:44:59.740 It winds up really putting a lot of

01:45:02.620 really strange material out there and

01:45:04.740 people act in really weird ways.

01:45:07.220 It's when I first got into radio.

01:45:10.520 I had to work really hard to gain an

01:45:13.000 audience.

01:45:14.700 And the idea was if I could get their

01:45:18.100 audience just the audience just to say

01:45:20.280 to their friend you have to listen to

01:45:22.000 this guy.

01:45:22.480 I could gather a bigger audience.

01:45:25.640 OK.

01:45:26.520 Now my audience has an audience.

01:45:32.300 Everybody in the audience has an

01:45:35.000 audience if you're in social media.

01:45:37.940 Should make our jobs easier.

01:45:40.340 It's actually made our jobs more

01:45:42.180 difficult.

01:45:43.560 And it's exactly the point that you

01:45:45.960 were making.

01:45:46.400 And it ended up on the editing room

01:45:48.680 floor because it wasn't good enough for

01:45:49.880 the book.

01:45:53.000 Wow.

01:45:55.320 Comes out September 18th.

01:45:57.900 Seems like you had a lot of thoughts on

01:45:59.280 your vacation though.

01:46:00.260 Yeah.

01:46:00.520 You should have just enjoyed your

01:46:02.120 vacation.

01:46:02.940 Stop thinking.

01:46:03.740 It's a good point.

01:46:04.520 Stop thinking.

01:46:05.020 That's a good point.

01:46:05.580 Did you try to get away from all of it?

01:46:07.860 Oh yeah.

01:46:08.340 I did.

01:46:08.800 And you're really missing that day to

01:46:11.280 day back and forth.

01:46:12.260 You come back off of vacation and

01:46:14.020 realize you didn't miss anything.

01:46:15.920 It's the same people in the same

01:46:17.440 spots making the same arguments as

01:46:18.980 when you left.

01:46:20.140 And that's why I feel like we try

01:46:22.420 here to get to something that's a

01:46:24.420 little bit more lasting, a little

01:46:25.440 bit deeper.

01:46:25.920 I'm not saying we ever succeed on it.

01:46:27.660 But you try to at least think about

01:46:30.120 these things from a larger

01:46:31.200 perspective because that day to day

01:46:32.800 really means nothing.

01:46:34.900 And if anything, that's a gift from

01:46:36.320 Donald Trump.

01:46:37.280 Right?

01:46:37.460 Like I think because the media hates

01:46:40.300 him so much, they get so infuriated

01:46:42.820 over everything that you realize how

01:46:46.420 nonsensical it actually is.

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01:48:27.440 Now, what did I miss?

01:48:31.540 You missed a lot.

01:48:32.860 You haven't heard about the poop on the

01:48:34.040 streets?

01:48:34.680 Well, I experienced it when we were there

01:48:36.440 for the Super Bowl a couple years ago.

01:48:37.720 It's much worse.

01:48:39.080 Oh, my God.

01:48:39.420 Now, they don't know what to do.

01:48:41.820 People are shooting up and pooping on the

01:48:43.900 streets of San Francisco like there's no

01:48:45.960 tomorrow.

01:48:46.700 And there may not be a tomorrow.

01:48:48.380 So, maybe that's what you...

01:48:49.880 Well, it's true.

01:48:50.900 You've already outlined partially the end of

01:48:53.900 civilization as we know.

01:48:54.720 I mean, I don't know if we're going to be

01:48:55.700 back tomorrow.

01:48:56.320 We could all die, you know, from being

01:48:59.820 vaporized by Iran.

01:49:02.760 They may attack.

01:49:05.060 I don't know what else.

01:49:06.460 You know, the FISA courts could put us all

01:49:08.340 in prison.

01:49:09.800 Donald Trump could do a pact with Putin.

01:49:13.280 And we could all be in Siberia.

01:49:16.640 You know, the global warming could really

01:49:19.900 kick in.

01:49:20.440 They said it would pause for a while.

01:49:21.660 Today may be the day that it unpauses and

01:49:24.960 catch ups.

01:49:25.700 And I mean...

01:49:26.620 Seems to have unpaused all over Texas over the

01:49:28.600 past couple of weeks.

01:49:29.420 James Gunn could rape all of us.

01:49:31.220 We don't know.

01:49:31.820 We don't know.

01:49:32.400 We don't know what's happening.

01:49:34.100 We just don't know.

01:49:35.500 So...

01:49:35.900 Are you...

01:49:37.060 Because I'm just at that point where if it

01:49:39.180 comes to tweeting what you've tweeted in the

01:49:41.520 past, no one should get fired.

01:49:42.960 And occasionally there'll be someone who

01:49:44.340 tweeted something really offensive.

01:49:45.500 I don't know.

01:49:46.160 I kind of like the spirit of the McCarthy

01:49:48.780 era.

01:49:49.740 You know?

01:49:50.520 Mob justice?

01:49:51.200 You're in?

01:49:51.440 Yeah, I like mob justice an awful lot.

01:49:54.260 I think a lot of good things happen.

01:49:55.840 Look, it made Salem what it is today.

01:49:59.500 That's true.

01:49:59.920 We know...

01:50:00.440 We remember it all.

01:50:01.760 That's right.

01:50:03.400 Glenn Beck.

01:50:04.660 Mercury.

The Glenn Beck Program - July 23, 2018

'When Delusion Becomes a Reality'？ - 7⧸23⧸18

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