Three people were shot yesterday in an attack on YouTube headquarters in San Bruno, California, and the shooter is dead. Who is to blame? Is it the police, the left, the right, the middle, or the middle?
00:08:09.600And the only ones, the only ones that want to really express something are the radicals that are only using these things for radical change.
00:10:33.080The focus, when it comes to violence, should not be on, you know, weapons, which 99.99% of which are never used in any negative way, like this woman did.
00:10:49.020I mean, trying to find some way to take these real outliers in our society who have obvious mental illness and trying to get them the help that can make them not turn into this person.
00:11:01.080There's lots of mentally ill people who don't act like this.
00:11:08.220I don't know if we could just find an algorithm that could listen to us and watch us and analyze everything that we do and then just remove the people that are problems.
00:11:17.320I don't know if that's the answer, but I mean, it's going to be the one they try.
00:11:46.360YouTube went through and tried to say, OK, well, this material is not appropriate for, let's say, younger people.
00:11:52.160And they age restricted her videos, tearing her videos down.
00:11:55.600And when you live your life with the only value you can come up with is how many YouTube views you have.
00:12:01.440And that suddenly changes with something that's out of your control.
00:12:04.800People it's it's it's an empty, hollow life goal.
00:12:10.020And when you live your life with nothing, when it's just no nutritional value whatsoever to your life, you know, when that little thing changes, people are going to act really strangely.
00:12:20.440Well, it's it's interesting because Facebook has changed their algorithm.
00:12:25.880Dennis Prager is being targeted by YouTube.
00:12:29.680Dennis, I haven't seen Dennis with a rifle.
00:12:34.160You know, the press has already done a story on how the right has been damaged by Facebook's algorithm, how they have just decimated several businesses.
00:12:48.480OK, what you just said is, you know, it's a shallow thing.
00:12:52.340You know, if you're if you're getting your your your meaning in these clicks and these followers and everything else.
00:12:59.560But also and I'm not talking about her at all.
00:13:01.880Also, there's a lot of money involved.
00:13:45.080I mean, you know, instability, we're going to have to get used to because things are going to change all the time.
00:13:55.600Now, the only thing that will be constant is change because the rate of technology changes.
00:14:02.140The the the exponential growth of technology is going to change our lives.
00:14:08.260And we need to mentally prepare for that and become much more agile and much more willing to adopt change because it's going to happen over and over and over and over again, because that's the way of the world.
00:14:25.920Now, there's a healthy way to work with that.
00:14:30.480And that is to openly talk about it, to talk about the fact that that Bain Capital said we're going to have an unemployment rate of 25, a permanent unemployment rate of 25 percent by 2030.
00:14:46.580As it's a that's 11 and a half years from now, that's no time.
00:15:20.600Listen to the interview with the guy who was there at at YouTube and they were interviewing him right after the shooter, asking him, what what what what were you thinking?
00:15:35.020Listen, what's going through your mind with I mean, people dropping, being shot multiple times, bullets whizzing, people bleeding.
00:17:12.500But I want to shutter on it that when you hear it, you can hear it open and you can hear it closed.
00:17:18.100And so they could have made it in certain different ways to be silent.
00:17:22.960They intentionally made this thing loud so you can hear it go.
00:17:27.120So, you know, when it's open and closed, so you you feel secure that nobody's watching you and you feel secure when you turn it on and you're going to bed.
00:17:41.600You know that that's that camera is going to catch whatever has happened.
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00:21:24.260I guess my point, you actually hit it, the nail right on the head with, it's a mental issue as far as all the gun violence that we have.
00:21:35.140But we have to figure out a way to do it in a legal way to where it's fair to everyone to get these, these mentally ill people in the next system to where they cannot purchase a gun anymore.
00:21:50.680And what I would like to propose is we treat it just like a trial.
00:21:55.080So let's say that someone wanted to say that I'm mentally unfit to own a gun.
00:22:02.600Well, I think that they should take that to the state.
00:22:05.380And I think the state should have a trial against me where the evidence is presented.
00:22:11.540And then I could have a jury of 12 of my peers where I live decide on the facts where I'm able to defend myself, whether or not that that's the case.
00:22:25.180Yeah, if you could have a jury of your peers, I would I would tend to agree with you because we've seen, you know, children and family services, how that operates.
00:22:37.300I mean, look how they were look how they were signing guardians in where was that Arizona or Nevada where they were signing guardians.
00:22:44.820And these guardians were coming in and saying, hey, these people are unfit, putting them in into institutions and then drugging them and killing them all for their money.
00:22:53.980And it looks like the courts were somewhat involved in that.
00:22:57.600So, you know, I'm I am with you, Will, that we have to be very careful on how this is is happening.
00:23:05.020You know, but if the state starts to say, hey, you know, you're mentally ill and we're going to take away your guns, you know, there's a and you're going to go to trial for it.
00:23:17.040How are the how is the average person going to be able to afford it?
00:23:19.520And how is the court system going to be able to handle that?
00:23:27.460But at least in that case, he could, you know, he or she could have a public defender and would at least be able to argue the facts, you know, and then to even take that a little step further.
00:23:44.140So when you're when you're starting to talk about taking away people's rights, you know, when you have a trial by jury, let's say in a felony case, would you take away their voting rights, too, as well as their gun rights?
00:23:55.700So, I mean, that's another question that has to be asked.
00:23:59.520And in my opinion, a vote is so much more dangerous than a gun.
00:24:03.480I know that probably people don't want to hear that, but it's the truth.
00:25:09.580Police didn't have the right to pick her up or did they?
00:25:15.380Should we have a system that when you when somebody calls and says and they are verified family member, hey, I'm concerned about this person.
00:25:27.460Do they have a right to go and make sure that you are taken care of, that the guns are you don't have access to any guns?
00:25:35.080Yeah, I mean, obviously, there are systems in which, you know, you can you can restrict you can you know, if you're a loved one, you think your loved one's going off the rails.
00:25:59.140They still they seem to be OK at doing that.
00:26:01.260They figure out their ways to get what they need, you know, and and if even if they can't get that, they can get lots of legal things that can also kill you like cars and like knives and all of these other.
00:26:12.040You know, there's a there's a larger issue here.
00:26:14.700And I think in a sane world, if there is a sane common sense parallel universe that we all lived in, in which, you know, people understood like they were honest and and there were there are ways to handle these things with common sense and people had common sense.
00:26:55.180I mean, like this person, I think we all can look at this now, the YouTube shooter from yesterday and say, OK, it seems like they were pretty mentally ill.
00:27:08.100But as you point out, a police officer actually engaged with this person hours before and was not able to recognize it, did not think that there was something that was a huge threat there.
00:27:20.460If you've ever dealt with someone with mental illness, it's not like every conversation you have with them, they're flailing their arms around and making crazy noises.
00:27:28.140Like people are completely capable of having completely normal conversations with you when they're mentally ill at times.
00:27:35.920These are very difficult things to manage.
00:27:38.220And I think there's a there's a there's a there's a systemic issue that's that's something that over a very long period of time with maybe a return to some basic principles that we used to all kind of agree on that can be solved.
00:27:52.660But it's not a short term thing, I think, where we can be like, oh, well, let's pass this law or, you know, what did the David Hoggs of the world would say?
00:27:59.840Oh, well, let's, you know, ban future purchases of AR-15s.
00:28:42.660And, you know, for her to have lost her monetization, she had to have under 4,000 minutes a month of view time for under 1,000 subscribers.
00:28:52.660And so based on those numbers, she wasn't even making $5 a month.
00:28:56.460So it wasn't that she lost her income.
00:28:58.700It wasn't that she snapped because of a YouTube policy.
00:29:01.740So I just want to make sure that the air is clear on that.
00:31:38.720That said, I think we better watch out that the left doesn't argue that she was a constitutionalist
00:31:45.840because she was defending her First Amendment rights with her Second Amendment rights.
00:31:50.680As crazy as that sounds, you know as well as I do that if we start seeing a rise in violence by anybody who claims they're protecting their rights,
00:32:03.840it's going to start on the fringe, and as we see the restrictions and the changes in algorithms by what really amount to public utilities when you get down to it,
00:32:16.060you're going to see a rising level of violence, not motivated by anything but changes in the computerized world we're in.
00:32:24.680So are you, wait, wait, wait, are you calling YouTube and Facebook, are you calling for them to be made utilities?
00:32:30.900I think we should look at that, especially when you cite the example of that company that hired all those employees that was putting out nothing but good news.
00:32:41.220They had a certain right to rely on the situation remaining as it did, or at least have a say in the change which occurred.
00:32:52.040They did not, and their whole business was shut down in a matter of, as you said, a month.
00:32:57.180And why? Because of a change in an algorithm?
00:33:01.560Right, but it's their own private business.
00:33:03.320It's their own private business that they give away for free, by the way.
00:33:06.980I think there's a, there will, I think, I do think Facebook and others will get sued by a lot of these companies
00:33:13.460because of the fact that a lot of them paid them money for advertising to get these followers
00:33:18.940and then are no longer being given access to them.
00:33:21.180And so, and while I guarantee that contract you sign with Facebook and when you click accept is airtight,
00:33:28.160as far as this goes, because they can say, we can switch it whenever they want.
00:33:32.860I will be surprised if someone doesn't dig up an email from a Facebook employee that says,
00:33:37.820ah, you know, they're not going to change it that drastically, and they're going to have problems with it.
00:33:41.920And here's the problem with making these things utilities.
00:33:44.180You make them utilities, then the federal government has control, then they become cable,
00:33:50.640then the big institutions get to go and lobby, and they have all of their special interests
00:40:23.080The professor is Timothy Cain, and he plans to explore how Christians in the U.S. experience life in an easier way than non-Christians.
00:40:31.720Hmm, yeah, probably, because we're about 70%.
00:40:36.620We claim to be about 70 or so percent Christian.
00:40:39.500I don't know if anybody's actually living it anymore, but yeah.
00:40:42.780I'm sure it'll include a full analysis of the way, you know, Christians, for instance, in Sutherland Springs, Texas, have experienced life in an easier way since last November.
00:40:54.640In his seminar description, Professor Cain asks,
00:40:57.840Even with the separation of church and state, are there places where Christians have a built-in advantage over non-Christians?
00:41:09.200Because I'm sure he's going to discuss the special Christian privilege of the California cafe owners who get to play their Christian music whenever they want in their privately owned business.
00:41:21.720They don't actually get to enjoy that special privilege.
00:41:24.520They were actually singled out because they were Christian, and they're about to be evicted from the building where they run their business and have run it for 11 years because one person complained.
00:41:36.440If Professor Cain honestly thinks Christian privilege exists in America, much less the world, I don't think he gets outside of his bubble very often.
00:41:45.020A more enlightening seminar might be one on the progressive university privilege to help us understand how professors like Cain continue to get paid for coming up with crap like this.
00:42:37.420You may not get everything that you want.
00:42:40.960You may not get anything that you want.
00:42:44.420But continue to pick yourself up and keep going.
00:42:48.580The Constitution and with Lady Justice, who is blind, is not supposed to be granting special favors for anyone, no matter their color, their creed, no matter what it is.
00:43:47.340He wrote Losing Ground, which was credited as the reason why we had the Welfare Reform Act of 1996.
00:43:56.560He's also written What It Means to Be a Libertarian, In Our Hands, Real Education, and then Coming Apart, which I just finished reading, and I know I'm way late on it because it came out in 2012.
00:44:07.060But it's a fascinating look at America and how we are coming apart.
00:44:41.620I understand that it's serious and that I would be very unwilling to pay $60,000 a year to college these days like I did with my kids in earlier years because it's gotten so bad.
00:44:55.240So, I'm not laughing because it's not a problem.
00:45:01.400The privilege is the one you refer to.
00:45:07.680If you want to talk about privilege, it is that if you go to Harvard or Princeton or Yale or a variety of other highly prestigious colleges, you get interviewed by places that aren't going to interview you for jobs.
00:45:21.100I mean, I'm talking about Goldman Sachs and things like that.
00:45:25.320That's privilege when you get access to that kind of job opportunity that can make you fabulously wealthy.
00:45:33.280There are a whole variety of things that the new upper class, which is my label for this educated class, have going for them, whereby they have crafted a world that is perfectly suited to what they do best.
00:45:49.320But that's privilege in a real, concrete, powerful sense that makes any Christian privilege trivial.
00:45:59.240So, you know, in reading your book, it is just it's just fascinating the way you use stats and the way you view things and compare apples to apples.
00:46:09.140But, you know, you wrote this in 2012 and it is all it's all heavy on the tree.
00:47:04.120But what that did was over time, as the decades went on, it created a kind of new culture of all these kids who are really, really smart and who who become isolated from each from the rest of the country.
00:47:20.800I love in your book the way you describe this, that because we all went to school with a geek.
00:47:26.620I mean, I went to went to school with a guy who was a math genius, first chair violinist.
00:47:33.940I mean, the guy was, you know, and good looking.
00:47:35.960And I just I wanted to stone him to death.
00:47:37.960If I would have lived in biblical days, I would have led the charge.
00:47:40.740But, you know, I don't know what he's doing now, but he was very isolated in some ways because he was so smart.
00:47:50.240And, you know, I always you know, when when he went off to college, I always wondered what that was like, because now he was in a group of a bunch of other really, really smart people.
00:48:01.760And the way you describe this and what happens is fascinating.
00:48:07.100And it's much, much different than it used to be.
00:48:11.640But if you're talking about, let's say, people with high IQs and let's just say that's people with IQs of 130 above, which I hasten to add, does not make them wise.
00:48:34.800Only five or 10 percent of that really, really smart subset even went to college.
00:48:40.600Most of the people who were super smart were working as factory workers.
00:48:44.160About half of them were housewives and you had you had a huge mix in the country.
00:48:51.560And what's happened now is that you have these kids who are super smart, who increasingly are going to school with each other and they're getting jobs in the same kinds of cities afterwards.
00:49:04.040Let me give you a quick example that will give you an idea of it.
00:49:09.160When I went to Harvard in the fall of 1961, if you walked outside Harvard Yard, you were in a sort of middle class Boston neighborhood.
00:54:27.420If you live in an affluent neighborhood and you send your kids, even to the public schools, if it's in a rich neighborhood, you're probably not going to have your child meet anyone whose parents make a living with their hands.
00:54:45.340They're not going to meet anyone who isn't real smart.
00:54:49.420And as a result, they get to be 25, 30, 35 years old.
00:54:54.940And they sort of assume that all these people out in flyover country are really stupid and really can't be trusted to manage their own affairs.
00:55:03.660And it's we smart people who have to make the choices for them.
00:55:18.560And now in the book, I talk exclusively about white America.
00:55:23.540And the reason I did that, Glenn, was originally just because I didn't want people to think these problems are only in the black community, Hispanic community.
00:55:32.040As it turned out, there were even bigger problems going on in white America than we realized.
00:55:45.220Another part of it was the ways in which white working class Americans who were applying for the police academy or for the firefighting academy found that they weren't getting in because of affirmative action,
00:55:57.900even though they'd taken the entrance examinations very well, affirmative action was making it harder for them.
00:56:05.200There were a variety of other things going on that undermined the role of the male as putting food on the table and a roof over the head.
00:56:17.000And the respect he got for that, that was being undermined by feminism in large part, by the sexual revolution in another part, though, because guess what?
00:56:29.060A lot of guys in their early 20s who were getting all the sex they wanted to without getting married didn't feel any strong urge to get married.
00:56:39.480They plummeted in the white working class.
00:56:42.120And all of these things just change the nature of life in white working class neighborhoods for the worse.
00:56:49.980So now we have a group of people who are, you know, if you don't if you don't finish high school, you're most likely to marry somebody who didn't finish high school.
00:56:59.740If you went to college, you're most likely to marry somebody who went to college.
00:57:04.620So it's it's it's it's a normal, natural thing, I think.
00:57:11.480And and I don't necessarily think that's anything nefarious.
00:57:16.420It's just the way it has it has happened.
00:57:53.460But here's the bad part, which is that life gets really thinned out.
00:58:01.600When you are cocooned in this elite bubble, I live in a town of 152 people, 60 miles out of D.C.
00:58:13.140I'm talking to you right now, looking out my back window over the farmlands next door.
00:58:18.020And we moved here in 1989 in large part because I didn't want my little children at that point to grow up only knowing the people who lived in northwest Washington.
00:58:29.980OK, so hold on just a second, Charles, as we get to what can we do and not a government program.
00:58:36.620And I also want to talk to him a little bit about our own responsibility when it comes to social media.
00:58:42.760What's happening to us there when we come back.
00:59:32.220But Charles, you were talking about, you know, in 1989, you move your kids to the farm so they you know, they wouldn't get caught in this trap.
01:00:47.760The solution is for people who are currently living in these elite bubbles to realize life is more fun if you get out of them.
01:00:55.600So you talk also about the the middle of America that the other half that didn't go to an elite college.
01:01:05.060They're tending to lose some of the moral principles.
01:01:09.400Yeah, and then the collapse of marriage is the biggest problem here, because what makes communities work, whether they're urban communities or small towns, is the married couple that are trying to create an environment for their kids that is good.
01:01:26.580And that's why you have the little league teams that the fathers are coaching.
01:01:30.240That's why you have people attending the PTAs.
01:01:32.840That's why you have all sorts of these interactions.
01:01:36.100And once marriage goes downhill, single guys don't very often coach little league teams, you know, single dads don't.
01:01:45.140And this problem, I have no idea how you fix, except, I guess, Glenn, just as I want to say to the people in the bubbles that life is more fun outside the bubble, I want to say to people who are not getting married that a good marriage is the best thing that will ever happen to you.
01:02:05.480And it's worth just going way out of your way to try to find that.
01:02:10.600My daughter was going to Fordham, and she met her now husband, and she was a junior, I think, maybe a sophomore.
01:02:19.920And she said to me, you know, she was talking to me about him, and I really liked him.
01:03:10.560And an awful lot of that is exaggerated, too, once you get into the elite school.
01:03:16.000So even to get married in your 20s is considered too young.
01:03:21.380And you don't get married until you're 32, 33.
01:03:24.860You're already making a quarter million dollars a year.
01:03:28.800And, you know, that kind of approach to life, I think, is missing the point in lots of important things.
01:03:37.680One of the really interesting points you make, we're talking to Charles Murray, by the way, author of the book Coming Apart.
01:03:42.940One of the really interesting points you make in the book is how sort of the great society welfare programs of the 60s
01:03:47.960led to sort of a degradation of the four pillars of American exceptionalism.
01:03:58.680You just talked about marriage, the others being religiosity, industriousness, and honesty.
01:04:03.800Can you talk about the relationship between those programs and the changes in our attitude of those main points of American exceptionalism?
01:04:10.600Yeah, they're pretty simple in all sorts of ways during the 1960s when you greatly expanded the scope of things that government did for single women, for example.
01:04:23.000It made it economically a lot more feasible to have a baby without a husband than it used to be.
01:04:40.960When it becomes easier economically, then more women start to have babies in those circumstances, and then the stigma starts to erode.
01:04:49.340Because when you've got one girl in the high school class who's pregnant, that's kind of a tough position to be in.
01:04:56.540When you've got six, seven, eight, or nine, when you start to have a daycare center for the babies, you've got a problem in terms of the stigma.
01:05:06.000The whole problem with crime, the 1960s, when crime started to shoot up and continued to shoot up for the next three decades because of changes in the criminal justice system, whereby the old, rather simple formula, you commit a serious crime, you're going to go to jail, that broke down.
01:05:27.440People now talk about the incarceration, mass incarceration.
01:05:33.640The crime surge started when we stopped incarcerating people who committed serious crimes, and we've been trying to catch up with it ever since.
01:05:46.100And we were advocating all sorts of policies in the 1960s and 70s, which were just a disaster for the culture.
01:05:57.840That would be my sister that did that, not me, not me.
01:06:01.580I'm born in 1964, so I'm at the very last year of that.
01:06:05.560And, you know, I'm kind of sitting here watching it and seeing that, you know, it doesn't work, and nor do the policies that we're talking about today.
01:06:17.000I mean, today, we're talking about the shooter in California, the killer that went out and tried to kill people at YouTube.
01:06:54.500And the problem is that it seems to be getting worse.
01:06:58.860Here's a problem we haven't talked about.
01:07:00.840In 1960, if you were a guy of working age and you were reasonably healthy, you were in the labor force.
01:07:07.900I mean, if you weren't in the labor force, everybody got in your back, whether it was your girlfriend or your parents or your – or the other guys would get in your back if you weren't either working or looking hard for work.
01:07:20.840Now we've got, even in a time of full employment, you've got something in the order of 15% of working-class guys in their 20s, 30s, 40s who aren't even looking for work.
01:07:34.360That is a new phenomenon whereby you have a breakdown in the social fabric that makes it – that's another thing that contributes to the deterioration of life in working-class America.
01:07:47.200Once again, it became possible to exist at the margins of society in ways that it was much harder to exist in previous years, and a lot of that was cultural.
01:07:59.220You were a bum if you behaved that way, and you're no longer a bum.
01:08:03.220Talking to Charles Murray, I want to continue our conversation here just a bit with you, Charles, and delve a little bit deeper into, you know, what can be done and the role of social media.
01:08:35.720We are our own worst enemy, and I'd like to hear your thoughts on that when we come back.
01:08:41.080Charles Murray, the book is coming apart.
01:08:46.480Came out a few years ago, but it's really well worth a read now because it's – you know, we're being pushed into racism and pushed into this is not the problem.
01:08:55.640I mean, no, no, there's some actual stats here that show what the problem is.
01:09:01.540Let's deal with the stats and the facts.
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01:11:04.180However – and we were getting better as a society on the whole.
01:11:09.000However, we are being pushed and painted as racist and, you know, Islamophobes and everything else.
01:11:16.160And this is allowing these crazy nutjobs to be able to come out from under, you know, under the wraps, out of the holes that they have always been in, and start to make points and say, see, they are coming after you.
01:11:44.620Back in the 1960s, when we adopted the rule that it is okay to treat people by their race as long as you're doing it for the right reasons, we opened Pandora's box.
01:11:58.260You know, at the 1964 Civil Rights Act, I wish they had had as the core of that, there shall be no law that gives one race advantage over another legally of any kind.
01:12:14.420You know, here we are on the anniversary of Martin Luther King's death, and that really was his point, wasn't it?
01:12:19.540His point was, America, live up to the words you wrote in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
01:12:25.780And what happened was that we said, we gave identity politics the green light.
01:12:32.520It's great for black people to identify with being black, and great for Latinos to identify as Latinos and so forth.
01:12:39.620And as that went on, and as the kind of anger that was coming out toward whites increased, all at once you had the 70-odd percent of the people in this country who are white, who started to say, or at least some of them did,
01:12:56.120hey, what's good for them is good for us.
01:12:59.980I'm going to start identifying as being white, as being my primary way of thinking about myself.
01:13:05.720So it was the inevitable consequence of saying it's okay to treat people differently by race.
01:13:14.920How much of a role is social media playing in the acceleration of our country being torn apart?
01:13:20.840It is amplifying all of our natural tendencies to only talk to people who think the same things we do.
01:13:32.360So now you can get your news from only sources that agree with you.
01:13:38.300You can interact with only people who politically agree with you.
01:13:42.720And that is happening big time on both the left and the right, which I think accounts for a lot of this tendency to say,
01:13:52.000if somebody disagrees with me politically, they are not just disagreeing with me on a political issue.
01:18:28.400I think stingrays can be used for more nefarious purposes, like spreading malware.
01:18:34.480In November, Senator Ron Wyden wrote a letter to the Department of Homeland Security requesting information about the possibility of cell site simulators in the D.C.
01:18:44.700In response, the Department of Homeland Security official Christopher Krebs wrote, which they leaked yesterday, that malicious actors have been using the devices to unlawfully track and monitor cell phone users.
01:18:59.600This threatens the security of communications resulting in safety, economic and privacy risks, end quote.
01:19:37.940Anyway, the letter was vague beyond that, not to mention the who, what and why and no mention of how many or how much the DHS has conducted a series of examinations.