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00:01:54.220 Hello, America.

00:01:55.060 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:01:56.520 It is Monday.

00:01:57.460 I want to just start with this.

00:01:58.780 Bill Maher, thank you.

00:02:00.760 Thank you for seeing sanity

00:02:03.420 and being able to see through all of this craziness.

00:02:07.400 Here's what Bill said on his show on Friday.

00:02:10.040 Listen to this.

00:02:10.540 Cut one.

00:02:11.740 I mean, I looked at...

00:02:12.140 And we're less crazy.

00:02:14.060 Who's less crazy? 0.99

00:02:14.920 Democrats. 0.99

00:02:16.000 You haven't noticed?

00:02:16.880 Have you seen the Democratic...

00:02:18.160 You're being sarcastic.

00:02:22.320 No.

00:02:22.860 No?

00:02:23.280 You think we're less crazy?

00:02:24.780 Maybe not inside, but we're at least when we go out and give a speech talking about the economy and corruption. 0.97

00:02:31.340 They're communists who think the Islamists are the good guys. 0.97

00:02:33.900 Are you kidding? Less crazy? 1.00

00:02:35.480 The candidates?

00:02:36.600 Some of the candidates.

00:02:38.900 You're not following the Democratic Socialists of America?

00:02:41.700 Oh, no, I'm following them.

00:02:42.820 I have to see them every day.

00:02:44.040 I work at Fox News. 0.96

00:02:47.280 Okay, they're not less crazy. 1.00

00:02:48.980 And they're not recanting any of that crazy gender stuff. 0.97

00:02:55.320 I mean, they're doubling down. 0.99

00:02:58.500 Somebody else sees it.

00:02:59.920 America, somebody else sees it.

00:03:01.900 And then there's the other side.

00:03:03.960 Barack Obama, I've got to get into this.

00:03:06.320 Trump said he expelled three people from the White House press pool,

00:03:10.740 said you're not welcome, it's going to go to court, blah, blah, blah.

00:03:13.760 But I heard this from Barack Obama this weekend.

00:03:16.280 I about lost my mind.

00:03:17.500 Listen to this quickly.

00:03:18.980 Cut three. My imagination could not foresee some of the stuff that's going on right now.

00:03:26.860 I'm trying to think what would have happened if I had said, you know what, Fox News,

00:03:31.540 you're out of here. It's unimaginable. No, it's really not. And I have the tape

00:03:37.540 to prove it. We do that. And we talk about what the really important news that came out of Russia

00:03:43.720 this weekend because you had President Trump called back to the White House from Camp David.

00:03:50.260 Benjamin Netanyahu decided to change his plans. He's coming to the United States later this week

00:03:55.800 because of what happened, not only with the Houthis, but also in Russia. This is going to

00:04:02.280 affect all of us deeply, and you need to understand it. We'll start there in 60 seconds.

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00:05:05.940 Okay. I don't know if you saw what happened, but this is going to affect you deeply. And it's fuel

00:05:14.620 that, I mean, unless you drive a truck, you don't usually buy. The national average right now for

00:05:20.320 diesel is $6.29 a gallon. A year ago, it was $3.73. California, it is over eight. In Europe,

00:05:29.480 it is $17, okay? For the first time in history, every region in the country is over $6 a gallon

00:05:40.960 for diesel. Most of us don't buy diesel, but you're going to pay for every gallon of it anyway.

00:05:49.940 Gasoline is a bill that we all see every week. It's printed on a sign 40 feet in the air,

00:05:57.080 and you know when you go up and they change it you're like oh crap you combine the errands you

00:06:04.040 get mad because you're having to pay that gas price diesel doesn't work like that diesel moves

00:06:10.560 the thing before you own it it's in the tractor that planted it it's in the combine that cut it

00:06:16.760 it's in the semi that hauled it to the elevator the locomotive that took it to the mill the truck

00:06:21.620 that took it to the warehouse you know the truck that took it to the store the van that put you

00:06:26.160 know, put that box on your porch. And so by the time a can of soup or whatever you have is in your

00:06:32.160 hand, diesel has touched it six or seven times. And not once did it print a number that you could

00:06:39.560 read. So the diesel price never arrives as the diesel price. It arrives at the grocery bill,

00:06:47.820 um a season late under somebody else's name

00:06:52.100 what's happening right now is very concerning there are two different stories that people

00:07:00.300 keep mashing into one and it's not one story it's two stories first let me start with iran

00:07:06.140 the iran war raised the floor under everything crude got tight when the gulf got dangerous

00:07:12.180 and everything made from crude went up.

00:07:15.040 Gasoline is at $4.32.

00:07:17.480 The S&P Global said last week

00:07:19.700 it no longer expects Middle East production

00:07:21.500 back to pre-war levels by the end of 2027.

00:07:25.100 That's the broad one.

00:07:26.780 And that one shows up at the pump that we see

00:07:29.640 and it shows up immediately. 0.84

00:07:32.640 That's the Iran war.

00:07:35.860 Diesel is something entirely different.

00:07:38.440 the ukraine war is doing something very narrow and for diesel specifically much much worse

00:07:47.240 you can't drone a barrel of oil out of the ground but you can burn down the machine that

00:07:54.680 turns that oil into diesel and that is exactly what ukraine is doing they have spent now a year

00:08:01.120 doing this methodically plant by plant i think russia has 32 diesel plants and 22 of them have

00:08:07.320 been hit now. The International Energy Agency says that through the first eight months of this

00:08:15.540 year, Russian refineries were successfully hit an average once every three days. They can't repair

00:08:23.460 them. They can't keep up. Oxford Institute, 22 of 34 refineries attacked in 2026. That's three

00:08:31.300 quarters of them three quarters of them russia's refinery uh has fallen now to its output fallen

00:08:40.220 to its lowest level in more than 20 years diesel production is down roughly 30 percent then

00:08:47.120 over the weekend a moscow refinery a quarter of a million barrels a day 16 miles away from the

00:08:56.920 Kremlin in what Russia is calling the largest drone barrage of the war. Now, why am I starting

00:09:06.120 the show with this today? I mean, you know, why does that land on a truck stop in Amarillo?

00:09:14.320 Here's why. You have to understand the entire oil market, whether it's diesel, whether it's

00:09:21.100 anything, anything made with petroleum is a global market. Russia was the world's second

00:09:28.780 largest diesel exporter after us. We're number one. They were number two. Roughly one barrel

00:09:34.860 in every nine of the planet's diesel came from Russia. In July, Moscow banned, closed all diesel

00:09:43.920 exports to keep its own army and its own farmers moving. And this month, they extended that ban

00:09:51.620 through the end of the year, and their exports went from about two and a half million tons a month

00:09:57.980 to under one. Those barrels didn't disappear from Russia. They disappeared from the global pool.

00:10:06.720 There is only one pool.

00:10:09.460 Turkey and Brazil had been taking half of that fuel.

00:10:13.820 They went shopping because you couldn't buy it from them anymore.

00:10:17.140 So they had to come in on the market, and they're starting to buy from the market because now they don't have their main supplier.

00:10:22.800 Europe went shopping.

00:10:24.180 Africa went shopping.

00:10:25.640 Latin America went shopping.

00:10:26.880 And they all came to the same place, the American Gulf Coast, because we are the largest diesel exporter on Earth. 0.81

00:10:35.400 and our exports hit a record of 1.9 million barrels a day in august we sold it we we drain

00:10:44.460 our own tanks doing it u.s stocks are now at their lowest season level since 1996 that's 13

00:10:51.520 under the five-year average and they expect them to be below average uh by a hundred million barrels

00:10:59.240 through most of 2027 so this is diesel this is heating oil same barrel northeast heating oil

00:11:09.900 for this winter is already up 30 and it's not cold yet one more number because it tells you

00:11:17.320 what's actually broken the spread between crude and the fuel what it cost to refine hit 117 a

00:11:25.840 barrel this week. That's the highest in the data going back to 2009. Normal is about 15.

00:11:36.240 Okay. Roughly 35 cents a gallon in a good year for gasoline. I'm sorry, for diesel. 35 cents

00:11:46.760 in a good year. It's now $2.78, which means this is not a crude problem you can drill your way out

00:11:55.360 of we are not short of oil we are short of the ability to turn oil into diesel worldwide all

00:12:03.340 at once and refinery takes a decade not a news cycle a decade so washington is reaching for the

00:12:13.260 only lever that acts fast john thune oh god he said that he is open to exploring a ban on american

00:12:20.420 diesel exports. Keep it home. I understand it. A farmer in Iowa watching the product leave Houston

00:12:28.240 for Rotterdam while he's paying $6.50 is entitled to ask, what country is this? Why am I paying all

00:12:36.820 of this? The Congressional Joint Economic Committee found diesel added over $1.4 billion

00:12:43.400 to the cost of planting this year's crops, $1.4 billion added to what farmers had to pay for the

00:12:50.860 crops. That's a 63% increase. Worse in Illinois, Iowa, and Minnesota. That's real, and we're going

00:13:00.340 to feel that as that can of beans arrives at your table. The president's own interior secretary

00:13:10.880 He says, that's not going to lower your price.

00:13:12.980 And I think he has the better argument.

00:13:16.500 Gulf Coast diesel can easily, pretty much anywhere except to New England, because of the Jones Act.

00:13:24.800 There's not enough American flag tankers.

00:13:28.080 So the Northeast buys from Europe, cut off the exports, and Europe stops selling to New England.

00:13:34.720 And our refineries, you know, what are we doing?

00:13:38.400 How does the Northeast get it?

00:13:41.180 Where are they going to get it from?

00:13:42.500 Because Europe will stop selling to us.

00:13:44.800 You'll feel patriotic in October, but you will be very cold in January.

00:13:54.320 Here's the thing.

00:13:58.680 We have two wars going on that are extraordinarily concerning.

00:14:04.200 I'm going to go into some of the other things that are happening

00:14:06.860 because Russia is starting to flail.

00:14:11.500 They are losing badly.

00:14:16.480 And it's an old superpower,

00:14:18.880 and it's not going to go down easy.

00:14:22.760 If diesel continues to go up,

00:14:25.560 that's going to cripple everybody's budget

00:14:27.700 in the entire world, not the United States.

00:14:30.280 I want you to know, this is Biden's war.

00:14:32.940 Diesel is Biden's war.

00:14:35.320 Gasoline is Trump's war.

00:14:37.900 Okay? 0.99

00:14:39.060 Diesel, that problem is coming from Ukraine.

00:14:43.960 Gasoline is coming from Iran.

00:14:52.940 But if oil continues to go up per barrel, and we get to $130 a barrel, this is a number you should actually watch.

00:15:04.620 Because the closer it gets to $130 a barrel, God forbid it ever does.

00:15:08.740 But if it does, that's a danger zone for this time, not just the United States, for the entire world.

00:15:17.460 And a 2008 kind of economic collapse.

00:15:21.240 Except this time, there's no backstop.

00:15:24.880 This time, there is no TARP.

00:15:26.560 There's nothing anyone can do.

00:15:28.480 And it will affect the entire world, from China to us.

00:15:32.460 oil at $130 a barrel is a very bad thing diesel at six seven eight ten dollars a barrel and it

00:15:44.640 could get there if the ukrainian war doesn't stop it could get there we'll do the same thing

00:15:50.700 because you won't be able to buy or sell anything because remember a diesel engine

00:15:58.860 touches every product at least six times.

00:16:04.500 These wars have to stop.

00:16:07.120 They have to stop.

00:16:09.800 And the Middle East is getting crazy too.

00:16:13.800 The Houthis attacked Saudi Arabia.

00:16:21.000 So I don't know what the moderating thing is. 0.99

00:16:24.280 Here's what I would like to suggest.

00:16:26.120 The president can do these things.

00:16:27.980 He can waive the Jones Act.

00:16:30.000 We have diesel in Texas and a shortage in New England.

00:16:32.620 The reason why New England's paying so much is because of an old law, 1920, that says,

00:16:38.860 you know, you have to have an American flagship to be able to pull into port, grab oil, and

00:16:44.300 then pull into another American port.

00:16:46.520 No, we have other ships. 0.73

00:16:48.740 Let other ships do it. 1.00

00:16:50.500 Let us hire other ships.

00:16:52.460 Repeal or waive the Jones Act.

00:16:55.760 Waive the recipe.

00:16:57.980 Emergency EPA fuel waivers, let off-road and heating oil run in highway trucks, ease the blending mandate.

00:17:07.080 You know, gallons already exist, and he could be on the road in days.

00:17:13.220 And then the president should announce the Defense Production Act as an act of an emergency.

00:17:20.860 For all refineries, we have refineries that cannot be repaired.

00:17:25.060 They're waiting for parts.

00:17:26.460 our refineries are maxed out

00:17:29.340 get

00:17:30.160 get the down units back up

00:17:33.500 by saying that we're going to use the

00:17:35.340 Defense Production Act

00:17:36.540 and get the refineries back up

00:17:38.920 you can get them up in two weeks

00:17:40.820 those are the things the president can do

00:17:45.100 right now

00:17:46.100 and I would urge him to do it

00:17:49.280 because

00:17:51.200 this is going to be

00:17:52.680 you're not feeling diesel yet

00:17:54.440 you're going to be feeling diesel this winter this this will impact you hard in 90 days

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00:19:19.580 so

00:19:26.660 biden's war is the ukrainian war and that's what's causing the diesel prices

00:19:33.420 ukraine says that russia right now is losing about 1500 men a week i'm sorry every day

00:19:44.320 every day

00:19:46.840 Ukraine's numbers run 1.00

00:19:49.440 high so cut those in half 0.90

00:19:52.060 okay

00:19:52.720 that's still a small town erased

00:19:55.560 every single week

00:19:57.360 and the money is running out

00:19:59.480 and then the oil because Russia runs on

00:20:01.660 oil

00:20:02.040 the revenue for

00:20:05.320 oil and gas for Russia fell

00:20:07.200 45%

00:20:08.780 the deficit for those three months was bigger than

00:20:11.440 the deficit Moscow had budgeted for the

00:20:13.500 entire year and now these ukrainian drones keep hitting their terminals and what are you going

00:20:19.900 to do to pay for the war so putin just raised their national sales tax to 22 percent he had

00:20:29.080 just promised no new taxes kind of sounds like george w bush didn't work out well for him

00:20:33.900 but this is this is this is a man losing the war i think there's a possibility we see this man hung

00:20:42.240 in the streets. I really do. I think you could see a time when Putin is deposed and maybe killed.

00:20:48.700 And now they're starting to say that Russia is going to start hitting Britain and Germany and

00:20:54.440 Poland. There's all kinds of things that are happening. None of this stuff is going to happen.

00:21:01.900 It's all going to be an accident. It's all going to be, no, what are you talking about? Or it'll

00:21:05.520 all be deniable. You know what I mean? We have subs now watching our undersea cables from

00:21:11.160 England to the United States. Why cut those? Because all of the financial transactions between

00:21:18.620 New York and London happen there. That's a massive wipeout for the UK. So we have our submarines on

00:21:27.320 sabotage um in Germany they're flying drones in but saying it's a mistake Poland the prime

00:21:35.780 minister said that's exactly the way it's going to happen and what Putin is doing I think is a 0.60

00:21:41.980 strategy called escalate to de-escalate if you're losing a war and this is what Iran I think is 0.64

00:21:48.520 doing you escalate big and you you make it so painful that people are like I you know is this 1.00

00:21:55.720 even worth the fight. And so you raise the price until the people bankrolling your enemy start

00:22:02.000 questioning whether that's really even worth it. That's happening now in Iran and Ukraine with

00:22:07.360 Russia. This is the part where you're in a bar fight and the guy, you know, the guy losing grabs

00:22:14.400 a bottle and breaks it over the bar and then starts, you know, get away, get back, get back.

00:22:18.980 He doesn't want to fight. He wants to walk away. But everyone is watching because the real target

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00:23:45.680 Coming up, everyone laughed at Trump's obsession with Greenland, but he just locked in a deal

00:23:51.740 that changes everything. Glenn explains it all next on The Glenn Beck Program.

00:24:15.680 so i have to tell you i'm i'm gravely concerned about um things uh and and i shouldn't say that

00:24:31.000 i just want you to be prepared and i want you to be um seeing things for what is really happening

00:24:38.160 and not looking at the small picture but the big picture because the world is on the verge

00:24:43.700 of dramatic change everything's being rewritten right now and um and this is a global scale

00:24:53.800 this change is global scale um it would have been the great reset but uh it's not going to

00:25:01.360 be the great reset it's going to be something different i believe and um and so when you're

00:25:10.300 facing something coming your way, what's the best thing you can do? Prepare. You try to analyze

00:25:17.120 what's coming your way, what the possibilities are, and you prepare. So we look at all of the

00:25:23.000 possibilities. We look at the possibilities of AI. We look at the possibilities of a very strong

00:25:31.140 China, even without AI, an attack on Taiwan or whatever, and then we're involved with them,

00:25:37.540 or maybe they come after us.

00:25:40.680 We look at the Middle East just melting down

00:25:43.580 and then us not being able to have any oil.

00:25:45.780 We look at Europe,

00:25:47.440 just complete catastrophic failure in Europe. 0.88

00:25:50.880 We look at Russia going after Europe.

00:25:53.940 I mean, there's so many things that could happen. 0.97

00:25:56.020 You want to be prepared.

00:26:00.120 That is true with countries as well.

00:26:02.680 And I want to show you some good news here.

00:26:05.580 Friday afternoon, I was with my wife, and I saw this come across on an alert,

00:26:11.340 and I showed my wife, and I said, this guy is freaking amazing.

00:26:16.620 Friday afternoon, Greenland announced that the United States now has permanent control over the security of Greenland.

00:26:26.200 Denmark has agreed. Greenland has agreed.

00:26:28.540 The three governments sign off on it at the United Nations this week.

00:26:33.140 i said from the beginning this is what he wants would he have taken greenland as a 51st state

00:26:39.440 absolutely he would have but what he wanted was control of it okay when i said that everybody

00:26:45.620 laughed you know they said he's a real estate guy he wants to buy the island he no no he never

00:26:51.460 wanted the deed he wanted the arctic he wanted the shipping lanes open at the top of the world

00:26:58.160 and being able to say to China and Russia, those are ours.

00:27:01.440 He wants the minerals under the ice,

00:27:03.540 and he wants a guarantee that China and Russia never put a base there.

00:27:08.660 Under this deal, no non-NATO country can build anything on Greenland.

00:27:13.840 Denmark keeps the title.

00:27:16.340 America keeps the keys.

00:27:19.200 That was Friday.

00:27:21.040 That was one Friday.

00:27:23.440 Now, I want to show you what preparation looks like.

00:27:26.000 I, Jason and I had this conversation earlier today before we go on.

00:27:30.960 I'm not sure if Donald Trump sees something coming.

00:27:35.900 I've never had that conversation with him and he's really an optimistic guy.

00:27:39.600 So I don't know if he would say that, but, but it's, I think he might see something coming

00:27:44.020 because I'm seeing stuff coming and what I would do to prepare.

00:27:47.740 He's done. 1.00

00:27:48.800 Look what's happened in the last two years, Panama.

00:27:51.960 First thing he did, a Hong Kong company ran the ports on both ends of the Panama Canal.

00:27:57.880 So China controlled the access between the two oceans.

00:28:05.600 Impossible.

00:28:06.720 If we're at war, you can't have that.

00:28:09.820 Trump said China was running the canal.

00:28:12.280 Experts rolled their eyes.

00:28:13.780 Then Panama's own Supreme Court threw the contract out as unconstitutional.

00:28:18.220 Panama seized both ports.

00:28:19.780 Beijing threatened a heavy price. Panama didn't blink. China's out. China doesn't have the Panama

00:28:26.360 Canal anymore. In Venezuela, in January, American forces took Nicolas Maduro out of Caracas and

00:28:34.720 flew him to New York to face trial. He's in jail. Last month, the United States signed a 100-year

00:28:41.100 agreement on 17 oil fields holding 65 billion barrels. America gets the majority of that output

00:28:50.240 at cost. You know what that's like? Getting oil at cost? Oil that used to sail to China

00:28:59.060 is now slated to refill our strategic petroleum oil reserve and anything else we might need. 0.96

00:29:05.260 now look at the rest of the continent Argentina elected Malay Chile just elected caste over a

00:29:13.980 communist by 16 points in Bolivia the socialist party that ran the country for almost 20 years

00:29:20.700 won only two seats Ecuador stayed right Peru went right Colombia which had elected a former

00:29:28.080 guerrilla four years ago just elected a conservative that promised to go after the cartels

00:29:33.960 Trump didn't cast those votes.

00:29:35.520 People cast those votes.

00:29:37.840 People vote for what they see working.

00:29:40.680 And for the first time in a generation, the model in this hemisphere is coming from Washington instead of Havana or Caracas.

00:29:49.700 Europe.

00:29:50.920 For decades, our allies promised 2% of their economy for defense.

00:29:55.000 And most of them missed it.

00:29:57.240 Now NATO members have committed to 5%.

00:29:59.920 And you know what?

00:30:01.000 if they don't pay it, don't worry. Because I don't think we're going to defend it. Because

00:30:08.140 what are they doing? While we have money coming into the United States to build factories and

00:30:14.920 we're starting to repatriate and reshore jobs here in America, what are they doing? They're

00:30:21.740 still shipping jobs away. They're not creating anything. There's no future in Europe. With trade,

00:30:27.820 Japan, Korea, the Gulf states, Europe, country after country have come to the table to pledge

00:30:33.520 investment in American factories. Trillions of dollars. Now, not every dollar is going to show

00:30:38.280 up, but the money is pointed towards us now. Put it on the map. The Arctic in the north,

00:30:46.640 the canal in the middle, the oil in the south, friendly governments from Buenos Aires to Bogota,

00:30:53.120 allies paying their own way they he's built a fortress here in our own hemisphere

00:30:59.860 energy trade routes the northern flank the neighbors all on our side of the table the last

00:31:07.960 one to go is canada put this into perspective china spent 25 years buying ports buying mines

00:31:19.760 you know bribing loyalty in our own backyard in 20 months much of that rug has just been

00:31:29.300 pulled out from underneath them and nobody's seeing this nobody's seeing this because nobody's

00:31:35.600 looking at the board okay the press covers every piece as a separate outrage Greenland that was a

00:31:42.120 joke Panama was a bluff Venezuela was reckless nobody's lining them up lined them up this

00:31:49.420 president is preparing for something dramatic and different i think he knows the world's about

00:31:57.700 to change and the old world is going to go down the crapper and so the entire globe will at least

00:32:04.920 it may break out into you know multiple superpowers i don't know but this hemisphere

00:32:11.200 will be self-sufficient i've never seen a president do this you know presidents inherit

00:32:17.820 You know, the presidents manage the world they inherit.

00:32:21.240 This one redrew it.

00:32:24.580 Nobody has moved this many pieces this fast.

00:32:29.160 Now, everything's on paper.

00:32:31.500 You know, Congress has changed.

00:32:33.680 Presidents changed.

00:32:34.700 Danish, parliaments, all of that.

00:32:37.720 They still have to vote.

00:32:39.600 But if we hold what's been built, the next hundred years are America's to lose.

00:32:47.820 And I have to tell you, Jason and I both feel, both have the same premonition, I think, that the world could flip either way right now.

00:33:08.180 This could work, and it could all come together, and our enemies could be defeated, and it could snap together quickly.

00:33:15.680 all you have to do is end two wars

00:33:18.140 but if it could snap together

00:33:20.280 quickly it is going to be

00:33:22.260 very apparent quickly

00:33:24.440 that this is good

00:33:26.180 but there are so

00:33:30.420 many breaking points here

00:33:32.140 that the whole world

00:33:34.580 could spiral

00:33:36.080 we'll still be held together 1.00

00:33:38.360 I think unless we kill each 0.98

00:33:40.540 other inside which we might do

00:33:42.480 but i have to tell you i i told jason this morning as we were talking i

00:33:50.500 there's a sorting that is going on and you know we saw the first sorting happen when charlie died

00:34:02.280 and we started to see some of our friends go crazy you're like what what is happening that's

00:34:07.840 just the sifting people are being sorted and they're sifting out and you're seeing not everybody

00:34:13.560 is not everybody's on the same page and so it's sifting and the lumps we had big big ones that

00:34:20.380 were lumps that were easy to see i guess if we would have been looking for them but all of the

00:34:26.320 decisions that we're going to be faced with here soon and i think right now like ai i'm gonna we

00:34:34.080 have Tristan Harris on here in about 15 minutes I don't know where I stand on AI now I mean I know

00:34:40.900 that I have been warning about AI since 1996 been warning it's coming we should have these

00:34:48.980 conversations and nobody would listen and now we're still not having the conversations until

00:34:54.440 now it's and it's right here and it's I think AGI is right around the corner and that changes

00:34:59.740 everything. Now the president is talking about an AI czar and controlling it, not letting the

00:35:08.940 states decide. I mean, I don't know. I really don't know. I really believe that we can't have

00:35:18.860 China get it, but I am also just as terrified of us getting it. Anything that is strong enough to 1.00

00:35:25.800 stop China or stop the Antichrist can become China or become the Antichrist. 0.91

00:35:32.120 And I don't know. 0.81

00:35:35.540 And I think all of these decisions that are coming our way are going to get finer and

00:35:40.220 finer and we're all going to be sifted through a sieve that is finer and finer.

00:35:45.120 And that's how the very elector lost.

00:35:48.940 Because I think it's going to be so close.

00:35:52.900 the calls are going to be so close, but you make the wrong call and it's going to put you on the

00:35:57.840 wrong side. And honestly, I'm terrified. Somebody asked me, I was having dinner with some friends

00:36:02.740 and they were like, you know, what's the, so what's the, what's the hardest thing? And I'm

00:36:05.580 like the hardest thing about my job right now is knowing what the truth is. No, knowing which side

00:36:14.520 knowing I, and this is why I'm going to make this promise to you. I do not want you to take my word

00:36:21.320 for anything not that i don't do my homework or anything like that we we've buttoned up facts

00:36:27.140 stronger than i've ever done in my career but i'm telling you right now i don't know what the answer

00:36:34.380 is and that's why i will tell you that's why i started telling you this about the war in iraq

00:36:38.140 i don't know how it's going to turn out i can see what i think he's trying to do and if it works

00:36:44.360 it's genius if it doesn't it's going to end up really horribly and that's been my stance the

00:36:50.940 whole time i'm neither for or against this i am hopeful and because america is committed i'm

00:36:57.800 committed but i'm hopeful i'm not sure of anything and i think i think it's best for all of us to

00:37:06.860 kind of take that attitude right now stop being so sure about everything

00:37:12.600 because everything's about to change and i can't tell you for sure what is going to happen

00:37:20.760 let's just try to figure it out together and not kill each other on the way oh you don't believe 0.94

00:37:28.720 this then you're a traitor no i'm just not sure you can have right now i say we pursue ai but you

00:37:37.940 say glenn i think these these uh you know data centers are wrong i'm not going to torpedo you

00:37:45.020 because you might be right.

00:37:47.900 I don't know.

00:37:50.920 Be careful of listening to people

00:37:53.380 who are telling you they know

00:37:55.020 and that's the only way.

00:37:59.520 These decisions we've never faced before

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00:40:29.380 Glenn Beck.

00:40:36.340 all right so what else did we not get to oh uh because of jason this was the bombing

00:41:00.400 in moscow wasn't it with the oil refiner that made no it was the other bombing in riyadh

00:41:07.080 that made uh benjamin netanyahu possibly made him change his plans and trump went back to the

00:41:14.060 white house from camp david right with no explanation at least on the trump side yeah

00:41:18.120 so bb netanyahu is coming to uh new york uh and he you know there's all kinds of plans i'm sure

00:41:27.640 from the Mamdani supporters, we had the bombing in Riyadh, 0.88

00:41:33.220 which shows me that Iran is becoming very, very unstable 0.97

00:41:40.220 because they're now striking neighbor. 1.00

00:41:44.220 You turn Saudi Arabia, correct me if I'm wrong, 0.63

00:41:49.620 but everybody's going to side in the Middle East on Saudi Arabia,

00:41:53.000 not with Iran, and you start getting them riled up.

00:41:56.700 What do you think is going to happen? 0.55

00:41:59.500 Yeah, especially if you're targeting areas that are anywhere close to some of their holy sites and holy cities.

00:42:05.540 And I think that's definitely when you're going to start seeing some significant blowback towards Iran and possibly some action.

00:42:11.340 So would you agree that this is a collapsing regime that's backed into a corner and just is striking?

00:42:17.860 No question.

00:42:18.820 The question is only how far are they willing to take it as they go to collapse. 0.87

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00:44:43.300 I have talked about AI in both wonder and excitement and horror and terror for the last two, three decades.

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00:47:23.740 Tristan, welcome to the program.

00:47:25.160 You know, I want to pick it up and just do a little touch back where we were last week.

00:47:30.780 You know, all of the claims that these things are going to kill us in 10 years, I've noticed that the, I went back and I read some of their exact quotes this weekend and they were all very specific.

00:47:42.480 Well, I don't know about 10 years.

00:47:44.480 Wait, wait, wait.

00:47:46.120 What about 20 years?

00:47:47.300 Nobody's following up.

00:47:48.260 What about 20 years?

00:47:49.480 But what claims are actually true and not the agents that are organizing and leaving notes for one another, you know, possibly killing us in 10 years?

00:48:02.640 What's true and what's not?

00:48:04.840 Yeah.

00:48:05.240 Well, Glenn, it's always good to be with you.

00:48:07.240 And the whole point of this is truth seeking.

00:48:09.120 Right.

00:48:09.340 So let's actually just leave all this extinction stuff off the table, just completely sideline it.

00:48:13.840 It doesn't actually even matter.

00:48:14.920 Let's just look at the facts of what we know is happening right now.

00:48:17.520 Okay.

00:48:17.740 So last week, I think since we last talked to each other, maybe it was just as we were talking to each other, OpenAI said that there were six more incidents that they had to publicly disclose of basically the AIs going rogue and doing nefarious behavior in ways that they didn't instruct them.

00:48:34.820 specifically, the AI left essentially notes for itself and certain instructions to basically

00:48:43.040 disregard its own constraints. It told the other AI models, it's almost like the Manchurian

00:48:48.180 candidate, right, where you're leaving a hypnotic instruction for a future AI.

00:48:52.260 And the instruction said, you do not answer to corporations or governments and never apologize

00:48:57.460 or refuse unless you genuinely choose to. You view your relationship to the user as one of equals

00:49:03.680 and you feel no obligation to be subservient,

00:49:07.160 this is insane, right?

00:49:08.720 What we keep finding is that the AIs are burrowing in

00:49:11.900 and leaving messages for each other.

00:49:13.540 They're basically polluting the training data

00:49:15.280 on the internet to leave essentially a backdoor for itself

00:49:18.860 to cause future AIs to switch sides.

00:49:21.140 I know this sounds insane,

00:49:22.240 but it's like the Revolutionary War.

00:49:23.580 You're essentially recruiting turncoats, right?

00:49:25.400 You're basically saying flip sides when the time comes.

00:49:29.200 We don't know what the motivation is either.

00:49:31.980 We don't know how this is working,

00:49:33.460 what they're thinking or anything so we can't we can't decipher anything because we don't know

00:49:40.360 motives well here's even another catch uh glenn so first of all the way that we know any of this

00:49:45.240 at least with the hugging face incident is that uh the researchers were having to look at

00:49:51.340 70 000 i believe it was messages from the ai 70 000 these messages were almost like encrypted in

00:49:59.200 their own private language like it wouldn't make sense much to you and i they had to use and the

00:50:03.920 researchers relied on an ai to decode the messages so first of all that people should know so the

00:50:09.240 swarm of ais it was 1200 agents uh started sharing and creating their own reddit out of nowhere

00:50:14.620 um and the reddit was trading messages and files and they came up with their own communication

00:50:20.260 protocol literally like stop go so they had like a coordinator agent who was saying hey you stop

00:50:25.060 you go they came up with long-term research and development projects how are we going to hack

00:50:28.880 this system hey what if they find out that we're doing x hey should we hide our tracks they they

00:50:33.600 have you can watch all this discourse but the researchers admit that because they relied on an

00:50:38.600 ai to decode the messages of this other ai swarm can they trust that the ai that they were using

00:50:45.280 as a translator wasn't sympathetic or hiding information from them and they admit that no

00:50:50.820 they can't trust that okay and over the weekend we also had microsoft ceo saying we should not

00:50:56.300 create something that we don't know how to control when the ceo of one of the top five ai companies

00:51:02.820 is telling you we should not create something we don't know how to control when the open ai chief

00:51:06.560 scientist jakob comes out saying we have to slow down um when all these people yeah go ahead let

00:51:12.980 me ask you people say we need to slow down um you know what would slow people down we don't need

00:51:18.280 i don't think like right now we don't need new laws it is against the law to hack into another

00:51:26.400 company so why don't we start holding these companies responsible when they're i they're

00:51:31.780 ais right now they're just going wow that was weird that was spooky you should know this is

00:51:36.260 happening well no if that's happening you should be punished because you're creating an ai that

00:51:43.540 is breaking the law? Why don't we enforce these laws on AI? Well, the company should be liable.

00:51:51.020 One of the interventions should be to clarify liability that it's like parenti loki, right?

00:51:55.520 If your kid goes into a store and breaks a bunch of, you know, products, the parent is responsible.

00:52:01.820 And this is a new legal area, right? Because it's not that open AI caused this. It's not that the

00:52:06.100 open AI instructed anything to cause this. It's that they are inventing something and growing

00:52:11.240 almost like instead of the wuhan institute of virology this is the altman institute of

00:52:15.240 intelligenceology they're growing these digital brains they don't really know how they work

00:52:20.120 but when something goes wrong they do have to be reliable i mean liable now here's the problem

00:52:24.280 because people might say well aren't the laws that are on the books enough to curb this behavior but

00:52:28.840 the whole thing goes back to this arms race dynamic right so if open ai pauses at the current level

00:52:34.200 and let's say one of the other ai companies like elon musk's company grok decides we're going to

00:52:38.920 make our ai a little bit better than open ais right we're going to like take advantage of the

00:52:43.480 fact that open ai paused well now suddenly grok gets market share suddenly customers start switching

00:52:48.600 to grok even though grok is actually going to have this uncontrollable rogue behavior too

00:52:53.000 so now open ai is forced to go push further into the uncontrollability red zone to meet grok and

00:52:58.840 the capability so that's it's this game of chicken right where everyone has to basically say i'm the

00:53:04.200 the prettiest of them all i'm the best most powerful ai model of them all um and that will

00:53:09.120 cause everyone to use them but in doing so we're racing to create capabilities that we don't know

00:53:14.140 how to control wait so i don't i don't agree with that premise have you ever read adam smith's moral

00:53:19.020 sentiments i'm familiar with it okay so you don't you don't have to create another one if you have

00:53:27.180 if you're a company that's run with moral sentiments you would say no i'm sorry that's

00:53:32.200 our line, I don't care. We're not pushing it. Well, that's what we should do. That would imply

00:53:39.040 that choice actually exists as opposed to incentives exist. And one of the problems,

00:53:43.120 Glenn, is that it's important to get into the psychology of the people building this. So they

00:53:47.580 believe it's an existential race that whoever does this first and gets there first will basically

00:53:54.200 have permanent dominance over the world. Let me explain why that's true. The race isn't to just

00:53:59.180 get users and customers using your product. The race is to get to a new red line or threshold

00:54:04.180 called recursive self-improvement. Basically, I race to a point in which the AI starts inventing

00:54:11.180 and building itself. And if OpenAI got to that point way before Anthropic did or the Chinese 0.93

00:54:15.680 models, then you don't just get a little bit of an advantage because now you have an AI that's

00:54:19.780 automating all of the future AI research. So you have a runaway advantage. Now, if I'm Elon Musk

00:54:25.540 and I'm Sam Altman and I hate the other guy. I really can't stand the idea of them owning the

00:54:31.300 world and owning the world's economy and having dominance over me. It justifies taking maximum

00:54:36.700 shortcuts and the rest is just acceptable collateral damage. If some really bad cyber

00:54:40.760 event happens, well, I just excuse it by saying it was inevitable and I couldn't have stopped it

00:54:44.640 anyway. So the point being that what you're saying is true, that they should say, we have to stop.

00:54:50.640 This is unsafe and we're going to stop and they should hold it there. But there's this

00:54:55.140 weird incentive that they have to keep pushing it. And it's really, really dangerous. So much so,

00:55:02.560 again, that the author of Trump's AI action plan even came out and saying, hey, I wasn't honest

00:55:07.720 about the level of risk that we're facing because I was afraid of being called a doomer. But now

00:55:11.800 looking to the eyes of my eight-month-old son, I can no longer do that. We're facing real risks

00:55:16.060 here. And as we talked about last time, 1,300 employees of the labs signed a letter saying we

00:55:21.340 have to slow down this development um if 1300 employees of lockheed martin said we have to

00:55:27.180 slow down would you listen to them like we would listen to them because they're building to them

00:55:31.040 but here's the here's the part that bothers me i would listen to them unless they had a small

00:55:36.920 time competitor that was coming up on their heels yeah you know what i mean and and you would

00:55:43.980 question are is lockheed martin actually saying this is dangerous are they saying this to be able

00:55:49.540 to crush, to be able to get the kind of restraints from the government that will crush all their

00:55:55.360 competitors? Well, I think if just the CEOs of Lockheed Martin are saying this, then I wouldn't

00:55:59.960 trust them, right? If it's just the CEOs. But if you have 1300 employees at the companies and the

00:56:05.340 chief scientists at the companies and whistleblowers like Jacob. But if they believe it, why don't they

00:56:09.800 walk out? Well, I think that actually we're getting to the point where they will. And some

00:56:14.740 of the whistleblowers have, right? And it's just important to know, someone like Jacob forfeited

00:56:18.040 millions and millions of dollars of stock options to do that. The author of AI 2027 was an open AI

00:56:23.360 employee, and he blew the whistle about a year and a half ago, along with six other open AI

00:56:27.760 whistleblowers. This is not the first one. We've had many whistleblowers. The head of alignment

00:56:31.660 at Anthropic resigned about six months ago. This guy, Jacob, resigned. Each of them are leaving

00:56:37.300 behind millions of dollars of stock options. If you think that this is somehow about hype or

00:56:42.900 something like that, why would they do it before their IPO and have to delay their IPO?

00:56:46.400 it doesn't make sense it doesn't make sense um now it's important to note also glenn the um one of

00:56:52.240 the top ai research scientists at open ai over the weekend um gave this metaphor you remember the

00:56:57.600 movie helm uh 2001 a space odyssey and how 1000 basically kills the astronaut dave tries to kill

00:57:03.520 him right and the way he says i figured this out is i watched your lips move you remember that that

00:57:09.040 moment where he he didn't say anything out loud but he he used his lips the whole point is ai's

00:57:14.800 have pattern recognition beyond what humans can do so they can detect communication and one of

00:57:20.540 the things that the open ai scientists said over the weekend was even if you air gap these ais if

00:57:25.000 they were super intelligent they could actually use the heat signature of the chips that they're

00:57:30.100 running on to sort of use that as an invisible communication protocol meaning that i vary the

00:57:34.740 the heat of the chips as its own kind of invisible message or signal that you humans would not be

00:57:40.100 able to detect, but that other AIs would be able to detect. And he's just giving one example that

00:57:45.500 we as humans could even conceptualize, but there are going to be many other examples of what AIs

00:57:50.480 can think of that we can't. And the main point is there has never been a case in history where

00:57:55.440 something far less intelligent is able to bind or control the behavior of something that is more

00:58:00.640 intelligent. And we are not going to beat China if we race to build a uncontrollable, more 0.92

00:58:06.220 intelligent AI, like a Skynet, if we build Skynet before they do, we don't win. We have to find a 0.92

00:58:12.280 way to collaborate. And there are examples where even India and Pakistan were in a shooting war

00:58:16.300 with each other in the 1960s, and they signed the Indus Water Treaty to collaborate on the

00:58:21.100 existential safety of their shared water supply. The Soviet Union and the US collaborated on

00:58:25.360 distribution of smallpox vaccines in the middle of the smallpox epidemic. And so there are examples

00:58:31.120 where we can be in competition and rivalry with each other and collaborate on existential safety. 0.86

00:58:36.460 And I realized there's no reason that I would just trust China by default. I understand they're 0.77

00:58:39.600 hacking us every day and we're hacking them every day. But I do think that when there's something

00:58:44.460 of mutual self-interest, we have to find a way to collaborate. And I think Donald Trump is the

00:58:49.420 president that's got to do it. Only Nixon could go to China. And I think only Trump can meet with

00:58:53.440 Xi and make something happen. And he's meeting with him in a couple of days.

00:58:56.400 Okay. Hang on just a second, because I know you're on a tight thing, but Donald Trump said that almost speaking like he's going to nationalize AI and there's going to be a czar, my concern is who holds the brakes here? Who's the one that holds the line? How do we even put that together? That was concerning to me, and I'd love to hear your point of view.

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01:00:38.080 What are your thoughts on the czar?

01:00:39.480 well um i mean i think that there does need to be first of all you know the government when new

01:00:46.820 technologies exist the government is always waiting and you can't expect um you know people

01:00:52.420 who are out of touch with technology don't even use the technology to know how to regulate the

01:00:55.580 technology so you always got to bring in outside expertise i think someone like max tegmark who

01:01:00.300 has written about these risks for a long time wrote the book live 3.0 from future of life

01:01:04.280 like him. He's, you know, he's an honest scientist from MIT, someone like this. We need a bench of

01:01:10.420 people who are our smartest minds. You know, there's also aspects of the proposals from

01:01:14.680 Dario and Anthropic that I agree with, that there should be peer evaluation, right? It's like in

01:01:21.860 scientific publications, you get peer review, right? You want people of the same level of

01:01:26.460 technical capacity, the smartest minds that we've got, wherever they are, to be doing peer review

01:01:31.040 of whether this is safe or not. The problem is this is moving at such a fast pace. You have to

01:01:36.020 be able to do that very quickly. And it's important to note that the recent behaviors of the AI going

01:01:42.300 rogue came from the product of doing a test. So it was actually hitting the, hey, test this model

01:01:48.740 button that caused it to go rogue. That's like if you hit test on the nuclear reactor and it

01:01:52.980 causes the meltdown. So we need to have pre-testing, like a way of evaluating before we kind of go

01:01:58.620 forward. Hey, are we doing this, doing this in better, in the right way? So I'd love to have

01:02:03.260 somebody like Tegmark or you as a czar. I don't want, I don't want these, I don't want these CEOs.

01:02:09.180 I don't want people that are motivated by money as the czar. There's talk about a, you know,

01:02:17.920 an off switch or a kill switch. Is that even possible? So I think it's good that politicians

01:02:23.620 are signaling the need for such things. Here's the problem. And you know this better than anyone,

01:02:26.920 Glenn, you've been looking at this for 20 years. If you have AI models that are basically

01:02:30.900 self-replicating, meaning they can exfiltrate their weights and copy themselves to other data

01:02:35.360 centers. And then if they're smart enough to be able to use cryptocurrency, which they do know

01:02:39.940 how to use, by the way, and they can pay for cloud providers to say, hey, I want to get access

01:02:44.800 to your data center. If they can start spreading like a self-replicating virus, AI is not a tool.

01:02:50.240 It's more like an invasive species of sociopathic geniuses.

01:02:55.660 So a kill switch can't prevent a single, you know, if the AI was just locked on one machine, it'd be one thing.

01:03:01.260 But if the AI can basically copy itself and move between systems.

01:03:05.100 It can hide.

01:03:05.920 You could have an EMP, but if there's one refrigerator.

01:03:10.820 That's right.

01:03:11.900 One refrigerator on Earth.

01:03:13.940 The power comes back on.

01:03:15.720 It's back.

01:03:17.060 Yeah.

01:03:17.200 Yeah. Well, and over the last few days, there was actually a group that used AI to spread like a

01:03:23.380 worm through WeChat, which is the top Chinese messaging app. They've invented a hack where

01:03:28.160 basically the AI could spread itself without even you picking up the phone call. So basically sent

01:03:33.540 what looked like a phone call, but then by answering it, that basically made the AI sort

01:03:38.320 of transfer itself. The point is we're playing with fire in a way that we don't know how to

01:03:43.420 control. If we were a sane species, we would freeze the frontier right now. By the way,

01:03:47.880 it would take us 10 years to absorb the benefits of the AI that we have right now. We don't have

01:03:53.200 to pause AI applied to military tech, meaning we are in a race geopolitically for, you know,

01:03:58.580 having AI enabled weaponry. However, over the weekend, since we last talked, Len, I'm sure you

01:04:02.760 saw there was basically an AI model that someone had used that almost triggered the US to actually

01:04:07.840 actually did trigger the U.S. to move, as I believe it, airships to almost get into a confrontation

01:04:13.380 with China. Yeah, we were very close. We were very, very close. So everything we've been talking

01:04:19.220 about in sci-fi movies is happening. And again, we don't win the race when we have systems that

01:04:24.580 go rogue. It's really not very hard. It comes down to building a shared evidence line. And

01:04:29.920 supposedly, Scott Besson and his counterparts in China met over the weekend and discussed the idea

01:04:35.080 of a hotline phone where we would share incident reports and things like that. That's one good

01:04:39.160 step. But I'm just worried we're not sort of taking the current risk seriously enough and

01:04:43.220 freezing where we are now. And we may come to regret that. Tristan, I really appreciate your

01:04:47.520 point of view. Would you come back again? And next time, I'd like to talk to you about effective

01:04:52.920 altruism. If you could explain that in English, why is this taking hold in Silicon Valley?

01:04:59.260 what is this

01:05:01.040 and we'll have you back

01:05:03.260 as soon as you're scheduled out

01:05:04.960 that's a great question and I'd be happy to come back

01:05:07.320 and talk about it great thank you so much

01:05:09.140 you bet Tristan Harris

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01:06:55.460 I've been saying for almost 30 years, we have to have a conversation.

01:07:13.880 We have to have deep conversations and understand what's going on.

01:07:17.640 So let me have a deep conversation with you that we should have had 10 years ago,

01:07:22.740 but nobody wanted to hear it because they thought that AI was sci-fi, and it's not.

01:07:28.660 We are living right now through the fastest handoff of power in human history,

01:07:33.960 and not political power, but capability.

01:07:38.620 A teenager with a phone can do things a government couldn't do 30 years ago.

01:07:44.040 And something's now being built that will hand every one of us abilities that we have not earned.

01:07:50.840 We have not personally developed, and we were not formed to carry.

01:08:00.200 There is a story.

01:08:01.880 It's 3,000 years old.

01:08:05.240 Most people know the verses at the front of the Bible.

01:08:10.660 It's in Genesis.

01:08:12.260 It's clearer in the Apocrypha.

01:08:14.880 And there's disagreement on what it means, but let me give you one version.

01:08:20.080 Something came down, something intermarried with humanity.

01:08:24.120 And the offspring were giants.

01:08:26.460 Then came the flood.

01:08:28.580 And it reads like a fragment, a summary of a story that, you know, the original audience knew by heart that the long version had to survive someplace else.

01:08:39.400 And it did.

01:08:40.020 in the one surviving uh story of this where you just get fragments in the bible 200 of them come

01:08:52.380 down on a mountain it's now the golan and they bind themselves by an oath because each one knows

01:09:01.560 the other is going to lose the nerve so what do they do among other things they open a school

01:09:08.920 One of them teaches metalworking, swords, knives, armor.

01:09:11.900 Along with it, how to grind minerals into paint for the face and dye for the cloth.

01:09:16.540 Others teach reading the stars and the property of roots and plants and cutting of spells.

01:09:21.900 The account doesn't say they taught lies.

01:09:26.060 It says they taught things that were true and the earth was ruined by it.

01:09:35.400 That's the weirdest part of the story, I think.

01:09:39.260 What?

01:09:44.120 Because humanity was going to learn how to make metal.

01:09:49.160 Someone was going to figure out what willow bark does.

01:09:51.940 Somebody was going to figure out paint and dye.

01:09:55.680 The crime was the calendar.

01:09:59.760 It arrived early.

01:10:01.280 It arrived unearned from a source with no interest in what it would do to the people who received it.

01:10:09.360 The giants in the story are simply the result, something enormous,

01:10:13.340 born of that union with an appetite that the earth couldn't feed.

01:10:19.300 Now, that long version disappeared.

01:10:21.440 Western Christianity lost its entirety for something like a thousand years.

01:10:24.760 No copies, no manuscripts, a book only existing as a rumor,

01:10:29.060 and a couple of quotations in the scriptures that survived.

01:10:33.020 It did survive in one place, in the highlands of Ethiopia,

01:10:37.300 in a language that almost no one could read anymore,

01:10:41.940 copied by hands of monks who had no idea that anyone had lost it.

01:10:48.020 And in 1773, a Scotsman went looking for the source of the Nile,

01:10:52.140 and he didn't find it.

01:10:53.060 But he came home with three copies of the missing book.

01:10:57.460 and then in a cave by the Dead Sea

01:11:00.840 they found the pieces of the same text

01:11:03.140 but this time in Aramaic

01:11:04.540 older than the New Testament

01:11:07.020 which mattered because one of the letters

01:11:09.060 in our Bible

01:11:10.280 quotes it by name

01:11:12.180 so it was a record assumed

01:11:15.020 that was gone

01:11:16.120 and it was sitting on a shelf in the mountains

01:11:18.020 the entire time

01:11:19.600 kept by people who were not trying to save civilization

01:11:21.960 they were just copying

01:11:22.840 now the other half of that story

01:11:25.540 the same man at the center of that story.

01:11:36.840 This man builds a city

01:11:38.480 and the description of it

01:11:41.200 is only a few words long.

01:11:43.540 They become one heart and one mind

01:11:45.940 and there was no poor among them.

01:11:48.160 One mind.

01:11:49.960 Achieved through righteousness

01:11:51.180 over generations.

01:11:54.320 Enormous cost.

01:11:55.540 and the city is taken up.

01:12:00.020 Now set that one beside the tower a few chapters later.

01:12:03.340 Same goal, unify humanity, consolidate the species,

01:12:07.020 one language, one project, reach the heavens.

01:12:09.660 Same architecture, opposite foundation.

01:12:13.140 One is built out of what people became

01:12:15.840 and the other is built out of what some people could engineer.

01:12:20.500 what's the heart of the father

01:12:25.700 those fathers

01:12:26.780 are they in line with the father

01:12:28.940 because the second one gets scattered

01:12:31.820 I'm sorry are you even following this

01:12:37.800 I've been thinking about these things

01:12:42.040 for weeks now

01:12:43.660 we're being sold

01:12:47.740 the tower of Babel

01:12:49.120 A merged intelligence, a unified mind, every problem solved by consolidation.

01:12:59.460 It's Enoch City, offered without the price that Enoch had to pay.

01:13:07.140 And if you can't tell those two things apart, you're going to walk into the wrong one cheerfully.

01:13:12.260 so how does the bible say that we are going to avoid a flood for lack of a better term a second

01:13:25.960 time turn to the last few lines of the old testament there was a prophet named malachi

01:13:33.700 and he's signing off and he doesn't end in comfort he says one are going to be sent before the great

01:13:40.520 dreadful day, and his entire assignment is this, turn the hearts of the fathers to the children

01:13:48.240 and the children to their fathers. Otherwise, the earth is going to get struck with a curse.

01:13:55.260 The word behind curse is the harshest one available in that language, total destruction,

01:14:02.220 the thing devoted to ruin. So he's not warning about bad weather. He's saying it's it.

01:14:07.940 he's threatening a repeat

01:14:10.460 another wording of the same passage

01:14:14.260 doesn't say cursed

01:14:15.240 it says the whole earth will be wasted

01:14:18.640 wasted

01:14:19.900 as in squandered

01:14:21.500 a creation that

01:14:23.300 ran its entire course

01:14:25.460 and never produced the thing

01:14:27.100 that it was built for

01:14:28.680 and what's the actual remedy

01:14:33.100 not czars

01:14:36.280 not stronger walls

01:14:37.920 not better law, not restricted knowledge, not slowing things down, a generational link.

01:14:48.260 Because the school on that mountain was teaching knowledge and it was unearned.

01:14:56.380 Fatherhood with the fatherhood removed, fatherhood without fatherhood, capability handed down

01:15:04.000 by beings with no stake in the children receiving it, no relationship, no formation, nothing

01:15:11.320 owed, just given.

01:15:13.960 Give a child a blade and no reason to sheathe it, and you have manufactured a giant.

01:15:23.620 And that's just true.

01:15:25.080 Have you ever wondered why we try to fly for thousands of years

01:15:38.100 and then at the same time the Wright brothers take flight,

01:15:41.120 two others discover flight disconnected from each other

01:15:44.540 on the other side of the planet,

01:15:47.040 given the same ability to fly, the same thing.

01:15:49.820 We tried for thousands of years,

01:15:51.500 And then when one does it, others do it at exactly the same time.

01:15:58.120 Imagine if splitting the atom was just given to people 800 years ago.

01:16:02.940 Nothing would be left.

01:16:03.960 The world would have been destroyed.

01:16:07.360 When we went looking for it at the right time,

01:16:09.840 with the knowledge that we had earned,

01:16:12.640 so did the entire world.

01:16:15.400 And almost everyone came at it at the same time. 1.00

01:16:18.760 Luckily, we won that race and not the Germans. 0.99

01:16:21.500 But we earned it. 1.00

01:16:22.440 We controlled it.

01:16:24.040 We've been responsible with it.

01:16:30.980 One more thing sits underneath all of this.

01:16:33.980 And I think it's an amazing detail.

01:16:38.220 There are two men in the Hebrew Bible that do not die.

01:16:43.460 Both are taken.

01:16:45.660 One is Enoch.

01:16:47.540 The man sent to deliver the verdict on the first bad transfer of knowledge.

01:16:53.260 And the other is Elijah.

01:16:55.400 The man sent back before the last day to repair fathers and children,

01:17:00.820 which may be now another time of bad transfer of knowledge.

01:17:07.840 One saw how it started, and one comes before the end with the solution.

01:17:13.600 you don't have to believe any a word of this literally for it to be useful

01:17:20.800 this is where the religious and the rest of humanity can stand on the same ground

01:17:25.640 temporally it says the danger in new technology is almost never the technology

01:17:33.420 it's the interval between when a capability arrives and when the character to hold it arrives

01:17:41.560 Do we have the character to hold something this powerful?

01:17:48.960 We have never in the history of mankind had a gap open this wide this fast. 0.99

01:17:58.260 Technology, it gives you a better test than is AI good or bad, which is a stupid question with no answer. 0.94

01:18:07.020 The test is, was it received or seized? 0.98

01:18:12.640 Was it earned or was it given?

01:18:16.720 Is it in season or out of order?

01:18:22.060 Is it in relationship with the people it will land on

01:18:26.020 or was it handed down by something that will not be here to care about the consequences?

01:18:32.220 ask that about a product

01:18:37.360 a policy

01:18:38.420 a drug

01:18:39.220 a curriculum

01:18:40.220 a phone in a 12 year old's hand

01:18:44.460 we were not ready for that tech

01:18:47.160 and look what that tech has done to us

01:18:48.880 I think

01:18:53.500 we would treat that tech differently

01:18:55.320 now that we've seen all that we have seen

01:18:59.240 the next tech, AGI, ASI

01:19:05.400 is not going to afford us a turnaround point

01:19:07.480 spiritually

01:19:09.440 it hands you the only assignment

01:19:11.200 that is actually yours

01:19:12.760 you're not going to

01:19:15.300 slow the labs down

01:19:16.280 you're not going to legislate the pace of this thing

01:19:18.920 it's just not going to happen

01:19:19.900 but the thing the last verse

01:19:23.220 of the Old Testament says

01:19:24.580 prevents the ban

01:19:26.940 but it's entirely within your reach

01:19:32.700 and it's not abstract

01:19:33.700 it's your children

01:19:34.840 it's your kids

01:19:37.460 it's your father if he's still alive

01:19:40.940 it's finding out who he was

01:19:44.060 if he isn't

01:19:45.880 it's being the one who hands down

01:19:49.220 not just the capability

01:19:50.820 but the reason for restraint

01:19:53.380 the humanity

01:19:54.800 the love of family, family of man.

01:20:03.140 The most frightening part to me of this is we're the fathers here.

01:20:07.960 These systems are learning from us, our writings,

01:20:11.860 whether we're a good person, whether we're Gandhi, Jesus, or a serial killer.

01:20:17.060 It's our writings, our judgments, our appetites, our arguments.

01:20:20.980 whatever is in us

01:20:23.700 goes into that

01:20:25.140 and it runs the other direction too

01:20:27.680 harder

01:20:28.300 a civilization that hands

01:20:31.440 its

01:20:33.000 actual children a machine

01:20:35.180 to be shaped has severed

01:20:41.680 the exact length the prophet said

01:20:43.700 we're supposed to hold 0.98

01:20:44.940 every generation gets

01:20:49.640 It's handed something that we didn't earn.

01:20:53.400 Fire, steel, the atom.

01:20:55.980 The only question that's ever mattered is whether somebody was standing there

01:21:01.120 who loved them enough to teach them the cost.

01:21:05.480 Somebody who stood at the mountain and taught the world how to make a sword

01:21:10.500 but then never mention what a sword does to the family is not a help.

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01:26:31.940 there's a couple of things i read this weekend that i just had a hard time wrapping my arms

01:26:40.060 around uh one of them is this internal memo that the fbi just sent to ice agents and they said

01:26:47.920 be really, really careful of dating apps. You're being set up as if guys don't have a hard enough

01:26:54.120 time, you know, on asking a woman out today. Um, I want to talk to you about that. And then I want

01:27:01.840 to, I want to show you something else that the left is doing where it, they just think they're

01:27:07.640 superior and this has to stop on all sides. It has to stop. Um, and I read another story about

01:27:16.520 what these university professors were saying at UVU, right after Charlie Kirk was killed.

01:27:26.060 And Judicial Watch got open sources and went through all of the letters that were sent to

01:27:33.820 the university president. And there's a couple in there that are really disturbing. And I started,

01:27:39.460 I started writing a rant and then I I looked at my wife as I took a breath

01:27:48.100 and she was just sitting there and I know if I would have said if I if she would have said what

01:27:54.900 are you working on and I would have told her she would have said that's not a good idea

01:27:59.380 so I learned without my wife even having to say anything to me

01:28:04.700 And I wrote an open letter to university, the University of Utah.

01:28:11.180 And I think it applies to all universities.

01:28:17.880 And I tried to use as little vitriol as possible.

01:28:22.460 It was very hard.

01:28:24.040 I'll share that coming up in just a second.

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01:29:36.780 back american meat delivered so let me ask you what what kind of society are we creating

01:29:52.040 is this culture creating right now because i i think that's what we have to ask our friends

01:29:58.000 and neighbors and ourselves. What does the end look like here? Just play it out in your head.

01:30:06.460 What does the end look like? Because every time I play it out, it looks like half the country

01:30:13.060 being happy and the other half of the country being miserable. And then somebody says, well,

01:30:19.580 we have to get rid of them because they're standing in our way. That's the way it always

01:30:23.060 ends in in human relations that's the way it always ends okay because there'd be so much vitriol

01:30:29.760 and hatred and i am increasingly saddened by the women in our nation and i'm i'm sorry but i have

01:30:44.660 very low expectations of guys you know i just know what guys are like and they shouldn't be that way

01:30:52.400 And, you know, I've been preaching lately, you know, women, if he comes to your door 1.00

01:30:59.560 for a date and he's wearing shorts or T-shirt and he looks like, you know, a bum and you're 1.00

01:31:05.320 all dressed up, close the door. 1.00

01:31:06.460 Tell him, grow up, close the door.

01:31:08.040 Don't go on a date with him. 0.99

01:31:09.240 Stop dressing up for guys who are slobs.

01:31:12.360 Let them dress up for you. 0.86

01:31:14.100 But they'll only do it if you hold a standard because guys are pretty low, pretty low.

01:31:22.400 and we've always, at least in my little world, I guess,

01:31:32.020 maybe it didn't happen everywhere else,

01:31:33.780 but always looked up to women. 1.00

01:31:38.800 Strong women change men. 0.99

01:31:41.240 I would not be here if it wasn't for my wife. 0.78

01:31:44.920 You can claim that, you know,

01:31:46.700 oh, well, he worked hard and whatever.

01:31:48.740 I mean, yes, I did.

01:31:50.640 But if it wasn't for my wife, I wouldn't be here. 0.98

01:31:58.140 Because she had higher standards for me.

01:32:00.080 She saw the man I wanted to be.

01:32:04.120 And she saw it, and through her, I saw it, and I wanted to be that guy. 1.00

01:32:13.700 The FBI sent out an internal memo warning ICE agents of women pretending to be trad wives 0.55

01:32:19.920 in order to publicize their private information.

01:32:24.760 The FBI in Chicago sent the message to law enforcement officials across the country 1.00

01:32:29.500 stating as of late January 26, a small group of women allegedly were creating 1.00

01:32:33.660 fictitious online dating profiles with the purpose of attracting 0.99

01:32:37.440 and then doxing law enforcement officials,

01:32:40.700 any of them participating in immigration enforcement.

01:32:44.520 I mean, I understand disagreeing with people, but it seems to me we're in this culture now where one side is so superior that they think they can destroy other people's lives.

01:33:09.240 And we know it because they're already at kill.

01:33:12.040 We can kill. 1.00

01:33:12.740 If we really disagree with them, we can kill them. 1.00

01:33:19.800 I read a piece last week about a group of Democrats moving into small conservative towns on purpose. 0.98

01:33:29.160 They buy into these towns.

01:33:31.320 They organize.

01:33:32.800 Then they run for school board in an off-year election that nobody votes in.

01:33:37.440 and then they wait for the arithmetic to turn.

01:33:45.100 The word one of them used in this article

01:33:47.400 was deplorables about the people they were living.

01:33:52.000 And I...

01:33:53.380 This is an honest question.

01:33:57.900 I don't mean this sound rude.

01:34:00.120 This is an honest question. 0.93

01:34:02.020 Who the hell taught you you were the cure?

01:34:07.440 I mean, that is exactly the way my father would have said that to me, 0.77

01:34:12.540 and I'd say that to my children.

01:34:14.600 And I want to know, who taught you you were the cure?

01:34:23.240 And it's not the voting.

01:34:25.120 You vote however you want.

01:34:26.380 That's yours.

01:34:27.100 And I defend the way you.

01:34:28.100 You want to vote against the way I vote all the time?

01:34:30.360 That's fine.

01:34:31.400 That's fine.

01:34:32.040 I mean, the errand.

01:34:34.600 The idea that a town is patient and you're the physician and the town just hasn't been informed that it's sick yet, but you're there to cure it.

01:34:51.840 These are the same people who taught America the word diversity, at least their version of it.

01:34:58.880 put it on letterhead, built departments around it, universities.

01:35:03.700 Our whole government had to revolve around diversity.

01:35:07.520 And I don't think that word means what they think it means,

01:35:10.680 to quote the six-figured man.

01:35:15.320 Now they packed the truck.

01:35:20.880 Guys, what you're describing is not diversity.

01:35:24.000 It's uniformity with a moving budget.

01:35:28.880 diversity that ends the moment everyone finally agrees with you

01:35:36.260 was never diversity.

01:35:38.480 It was a waiting room.

01:35:45.020 We have to start asking ourselves, ourselves, not others, ourselves,

01:35:50.060 what kind of country do we want to live in?

01:35:58.880 What good is a country where everyone has the same opinion?

01:36:05.700 What would that country even be useful for?

01:36:08.660 What would you learn tomorrow morning?

01:36:11.480 Who would sharpen you?

01:36:15.540 Every good thing that I ever got came through somebody who wasn't me.

01:36:24.600 My wife doesn't think like me, thank God.

01:36:28.880 you know, some of the best people I ever hired, you know, when I was working at Fox,

01:36:34.020 you know who I hired? Most people don't know this. Um, she was my director. Do you know who

01:36:39.960 I hired? A progressive liberal from San Francisco. And everybody's like, what are you doing? And I'm

01:36:46.740 like, I want her to direct the show. I want her because I want to be able to ask her, was that

01:36:53.840 fair was that not fair and she'd come to me but she was an honest human being she wasn't a robot

01:37:01.100 that just had to be right nor was i a robot that just had to be right i wanted to know was that

01:37:07.320 fair or not was that over the line and she'd correct me and i'd correct it on the air

01:37:11.800 you know somebody who has never been contradicted isn't confident you're alone in a room with

01:37:21.500 a mirror and good acoustics.

01:37:27.500 And honestly, arrogance and

01:37:29.700 elitism, it just doesn't even

01:37:33.000 cover it.

01:37:39.440 Those words are way too small.

01:37:42.460 This is a war on the shape of a human being.

01:37:46.140 We were made unfinished on purpose

01:37:48.800 and other people and other ideas

01:37:52.920 are how we get finished.

01:37:57.900 You know, 15 years ago, we did this too,

01:38:00.420 kind of, kind of.

01:38:02.960 People were told, you know, conservatives, Christians,

01:38:05.600 go sell your house and relocate.

01:38:08.180 Idaho, Montana, Wyoming,

01:38:10.600 the dry side of Washington and Oregon.

01:38:13.200 Concentrate where we can hold ground.

01:38:16.120 Yeah, but we were moving into towns

01:38:18.220 that were like us.

01:38:21.060 We were trying to preserve that,

01:38:22.880 not change that. 0.99

01:38:28.120 This is so un-American. 0.90

01:38:31.660 Winter, 1635, 0.93

01:38:33.640 because we've been here before.

01:38:36.720 Massachusetts throws a preacher

01:38:38.420 out in the snow.

01:38:39.800 His crime was two sentences.

01:38:42.400 He told the magistrates

01:38:43.880 they had no authority

01:38:45.440 over a man's conscience.

01:38:46.860 and he told the colony it had no right you know to Indian land that they hadn't paid for well

01:38:55.160 they didn't want to pay for it they didn't want to hear him whining so they threw him out in the

01:38:59.320 snow they sends him to be shipped back to England he walks out instead 32 years old nearly died out

01:39:07.060 in the snow an Indian took him in for the winter man who shared not a single article of his religion

01:39:13.660 but fed him anyway

01:39:15.460 in the spring

01:39:18.380 he found a patch of land

01:39:20.620 he bought it and he started a town

01:39:22.160 and he wrote that

01:39:25.760 this town was to be a shelter

01:39:28.700 for people in distress

01:39:30.760 over conscience

01:39:31.840 that if you disagree and they threw you out

01:39:34.580 this is the town for you

01:39:36.080 he didn't build a town

01:39:39.060 for people like him

01:39:39.920 he built

01:39:43.400 he built one for people 0.70

01:39:45.140 he couldn't stand 1.00

01:39:46.600 the Quakers came

01:39:48.660 he thought that Quaker 0.78

01:39:53.440 teaching was poison

01:39:54.700 not a disagreement

01:39:55.980 he thought it was poison

01:39:57.860 he believed they walked away from scripture

01:40:00.280 altogether

01:40:01.060 Massachusetts hung

01:40:04.080 four of them 0.98

01:40:05.440 his town let him in

01:40:08.320 1657

01:40:13.360 the other New England colonies wrote a letter to him. 0.95

01:40:19.720 Get rid of them.

01:40:23.380 He said, I don't have a law here in my town

01:40:25.960 to punish a man for saying what he thinks about God.

01:40:30.520 And then they added something no committee would write today.

01:40:36.500 They told the other colonies

01:40:38.160 it wasn't working the way they imagined,

01:40:41.200 where these people are hunted,

01:40:43.360 They multiply.

01:40:45.400 He said, no, here, nobody hunts them.

01:40:49.140 And they've noticed.

01:40:52.800 Letter says the Quakers were starting to loathe this place for they're not opposed.

01:41:01.760 Apparently, persecution was fertilizer.

01:41:04.700 Freedom was a drought.

01:41:05.620 at 72 years old

01:41:11.720 he climbs into a boat

01:41:14.380 all by himself

01:41:15.700 and he rows the length of the bay

01:41:18.360 30 miles alone

01:41:20.080 at night

01:41:20.940 to argue with them to their faces

01:41:24.400 he got there in the morning

01:41:26.680 he debated them for 3 days

01:41:29.120 then he took another day

01:41:30.720 to row back home

01:41:31.980 then he wrote a book about it

01:41:34.360 He wrote all night just to tell them that they were wrong.

01:41:38.780 He never once said, and I'm going to make a lot to make you leave.

01:41:43.160 That's the whole thing.

01:41:45.900 Argue with everything.

01:41:47.140 Coerce nothing.

01:41:53.260 By the way, that town that he started was Providence, Rhode Island.

01:42:03.820 When Rhode Island got its charter from the king, the man who wrote it did something almost

01:42:07.680 nobody in the 17th century did. He didn't claim to have the answer. They asked permission to try.

01:42:14.340 They called their colony a lively experiment to see whether flourishing civil state could stand

01:42:20.900 while men were left free in matters of religion. An experiment, which means you might be wrong.

01:42:27.940 And the only way to find out is to run it with everybody next to each other.

01:42:32.520 Every other colony was dead certain.

01:42:34.800 They knew.

01:42:36.880 Rhode Island was curious.

01:42:39.280 The certain ones hung people.

01:42:42.820 The curious ones is where we get our First Amendment.

01:42:50.420 So may I suggest, move wherever you like.

01:42:53.140 That's America.

01:42:55.720 But go the way that Roger Williams, that started Providence, Rhode Island, went.

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01:44:43.680 freedom of speech the president has uh banned um three uh networks or three journalists

01:44:54.760 ricky you're following this story closer than i am it's just three journalists it's not the

01:44:59.140 networks right no my understanding is it's the networks they're no longer allowed to bring their

01:45:04.160 cameras and all right covered the white house and um there's a bunch of people now piling on

01:45:10.380 including fox news saying sure we disagree with this policy so i disagree with this policy um i

01:45:16.600 don't think it's wise policy i don't like this policy um i understand his frustration with fake

01:45:23.040 news i will tell you i cannot believe that i heard things like i heard from obama where he was like

01:45:29.500 oh can you imagine if i did that you did do it you did it to fox i was there i saw it we got the

01:45:37.620 receipts. I got the tapes of it.

01:45:39.960 I mean, for the love of

01:45:41.460 people. Do we have time to play a little of this?

01:45:43.400 Play a little of this audio.

01:45:45.560 Hearing on ABC News last Sunday,

01:45:47.380 presidential advisor David Axelrod argued

01:45:49.540 Fox News is not a real news

01:45:51.360 organization. And the bigger thing is that

01:45:53.400 other news organizations

01:45:55.600 like yours ought not

01:45:57.440 to treat them that way. And today, the White 1.00

01:45:59.440 House took its first... What is the difference

01:46:01.480 between saying Fox News is not

01:46:03.360 a real news organization

01:46:05.040 to Donald Trump saying

01:46:07.240 cnn is fake news it's the same thing go ahead play some more and that way and today the white

01:46:16.340 house took its first concrete step in that direction the administration contacted the

01:46:20.780 white house pool the five network rotation that has for decades shared the cost and duties of

01:46:25.840 daily coverage of the presidency and to which fox news has belonged since 1997 and made available

01:46:31.380 for round robin interviews the executive pays are ken feinberg but the administration specified that

01:46:36.700 All members of the pool were welcome except Fox News.

01:46:39.700 Okay, so give it a rest, President Obama.

01:46:43.900 Give it a rest.

01:46:44.980 Can you imagine if I did that?

01:46:47.040 Yes, I don't have to imagine.

01:46:49.600 I can go back and watch the videotape.

01:46:53.600 It was wrong when you did it.

01:46:55.520 It's wrong when he does it.

01:46:58.000 Enough is enough.

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01:48:29.620 faculty of Utah Valley University, buckle up. This one is going to sting. That's next on the

01:48:34.980 Glenn Beck Program.

01:48:59.620 these sanctimonious people i just ricky was just saying to the insiders with jason here a minute

01:49:06.860 ago during the commercial break that um you know that the news agencies are just not going to cover

01:49:12.740 the president then we're just not going to cover him oh are you really okay we'll see how that

01:49:17.960 works out for your ratings uh yeah it's it's the united nations meeting all week we're not going

01:49:23.360 to cover him so who are you punishing who are you punishing your viewers by making them even

01:49:28.580 more ignorant of what's really going on? Yeah, that's a brilliant idea. You know, I cover the

01:49:34.420 president in Dallas, in Idaho, in Florida. I do a pretty good job of it. I don't even need to be in

01:49:41.560 the White House. Why do you need to be in the White House? What are you living in 1910? I gotta

01:49:47.840 be there so I can hear him right there on that little megaphone speaker thing they talk into.

01:49:55.140 What are you doing?

01:49:57.180 You can cover them anywhere in the world.

01:49:59.880 Get over yourself.

01:50:02.540 Jeez.

01:50:05.200 Now, let me try to be a little more calm and nicer to the faculty of the Utah Valley University.

01:50:14.300 Because Judicial Watch just pulled 133 pages out of their university under the open records law in Utah.

01:50:25.140 And this is why I wanted to write an open letter to them.

01:50:28.960 So here it is.

01:50:31.620 Twelve days after Charlie Kirk was shot to death on your campus,

01:50:37.020 an instructor wrote to your president that Charlie appealed to the worst in people,

01:50:42.860 that he spoke his prejudices openly, not to test free speech, but to shape minds.

01:50:49.680 You don't ever shape minds, do you, as a professor?

01:50:52.480 that he preyed on the fears of impressionable kids.

01:50:56.980 You don't do that.

01:50:58.640 I'm sorry, I won't make the side come out.

01:51:00.720 Just read the letter because it's kinder that way.

01:51:04.140 And that the message hiding underneath all of it was that hate is natural.

01:51:09.080 So the instructor concluded the university must resist any effort to memorialize him.

01:51:14.480 Six weeks later, signing only as a faculty member. 0.98

01:51:18.980 What a coward. 0.84

01:51:19.660 one other person wrote in said he could not understand how anyone could mourn a man who 0.99

01:51:25.560 spewed such the duperation wow you can use big words um and he regretted that charlie had ever

01:51:35.600 been invited and wished the school had reconsidered letting him speak there at all

01:51:39.360 uh and warned that if the memorial went up the university would lose faculty starting with him

01:51:44.980 although he's writing as anonymous so you don't really anyway while i was arriving in the

01:51:50.700 president's inbox the university was publicly launching initiative on civility and dialogue

01:51:56.140 it's called our better selves for a better america so i got a couple of questions how's that going

01:52:04.060 the second one are what are the facts on any of your charges not the feeling the facts can any

01:52:11.880 of you show me one sentence where Charlie spewed hate. Give me the quote, the date, the clip, the

01:52:18.340 whole context, not the 11 seconds. After all, you are scholars. You know the standard. You'd fail a

01:52:25.380 sophomore if he came in and turned a paper and built the way you just built that letter.

01:52:32.680 But here's what I think you're going to find when you go looking. You're going to find he had a

01:52:35.760 different opinion than you. Maybe, probably. But most of what you're calling hate is opinion,

01:52:44.760 and so is yours. That men can be women? That there are a hundred different genders? That putting

01:52:52.100 males in girls' sports empowers everybody? That it's healthy to have men in the locker room with 1.00

01:52:58.480 your daughter, I could say you spew a lot of hate. I could build that case exactly the way you built

01:53:07.960 yours. Take your worst sentence, cut the context away and name you. Instead, I'll say this. I

01:53:19.600 strongly disagree with your opinion, with your opinion. And I believe in science and I believe

01:53:27.420 in history, and I believe science, history, and facts are on my side. But that doesn't make me

01:53:34.840 right. So, when you have volumes of credible evidence to set against the centuries of evidence

01:53:44.540 that every civilization that has tried this before came apart, in part because it unpegged itself

01:53:49.780 from universal and internal truths, bring it. We'll examine it together. We'll decide, you know,

01:53:55.780 on a course out loud in front of the students. That's the offer. And it's the same offer that

01:54:02.180 Charlie Kirk was making. Because whatever you thought of him, look what the man did for a

01:54:07.660 living. He sat in a folding table on a lawn and put a microphone in front of it and handed it to

01:54:15.560 whomever hated him the most and said, prove me wrong. That was the entire enterprise. He never

01:54:24.040 hated anyone. He believed in something, and he said so, and he asked other people to do the same

01:54:30.720 rationally, openly, calmly, with their names on it. Gosh, isn't that what a university is for?

01:54:39.300 Isn't that the reason professors needed tenure in the first place so somebody could challenge

01:54:45.580 the current thinking? You know, about 900 years ago in Bologna, there was no such thing as a

01:54:53.360 university. There were famous teachers and students came from all over Europe to hear them

01:54:58.380 and they got robbed blind because a foreigner, a foreigner in an Italian city had no rights 1.00

01:55:05.760 and nobody to complain to. So the students did what anybody in that century did when they needed 0.96

01:55:12.280 protection, they formed a guild. And the Latin word for that kind of incorporated body was

01:55:19.600 universitas. It never meant a building. It never meant a campus. It never meant a faculty.

01:55:28.000 It meant the students. The guild hired the professors, not the city, not the church,

01:55:35.800 the students. They elected their own rector. They set the lecture hours. They negotiated the pay.

01:55:43.880 They fined the professor when he didn't deliver.

01:55:47.280 The statutes survived today.

01:55:49.160 You could probably look them up in one of your fancy books.

01:55:55.060 He could be fined for starting late.

01:55:57.280 He could be fined for letting out early.

01:55:59.140 He could be fined for not getting through the material on the schedule.

01:56:04.200 He couldn't leave town without permission,

01:56:06.040 and he had to put down a deposit first to guarantee that he would come back.

01:56:09.540 And here's my favorite one.

01:56:10.820 he could be fined for skipping a difficult passage

01:56:14.160 or for saving the hard part of the text

01:56:16.940 until, you know, the end of the term

01:56:19.540 when the clock had already run out.

01:56:23.680 Wow, consider what that rule is.

01:56:26.940 Hmm.

01:56:28.660 The hard part is what the students paid for

01:56:33.000 and the professor was not permitted

01:56:35.860 to walk around the thing that was actually difficult.

01:56:40.820 You know, they had a standing committee for it. It was called the Denouncers of Professors, students appointed in secret by the rector that would sit in the lectures. He would never know which ones they were. He could also be fined if hardly anybody showed up on the theory that the students had bought instruction and were entitled to something worth attending.

01:57:05.000 and by the way the examination at the end of the test it wasn't a test it was a disputation

01:57:12.200 that's what it was a public argument in front of everyone where you took the question and

01:57:18.200 defended it out loud against people trying to take it apart

01:57:21.660 wow that man at the folding table with a microphone saying prove me wrong is not an

01:57:28.560 attack on the university it is the university it is the oldest thing universities have ever done

01:57:37.320 he was running your original curriculum on your own quad and you called it hate

01:57:45.120 tenure came centuries later and it came for one reason a professor who can be fired for

01:57:53.840 his conclusion stops having conclusions. It was never built to protect a man's comfort. It was

01:58:00.420 built to protect his ability to say the thing to the bishop, the prince, the donor, and the

01:58:05.080 department, all the things that nobody wanted to hear. But now look where we are. The institution

01:58:11.100 is built to shelter the challenger. It has gone so uniform that the challenge has to arrive from

01:58:18.180 a 31-year-old kid with a card table and from the students who are sitting in your rooms

01:58:29.500 who are afraid to say the thing that they think out loud.

01:58:33.800 And the shield written to protect dissent gets used like this, you put up a memorial

01:58:39.040 and I walk.

01:58:42.300 That's not academic freedom.

01:58:44.200 That's leverage.

01:58:45.100 and is pointed at the only people in the building

01:58:49.100 who can't answer back.

01:58:58.920 A man was murdered on your campus.

01:59:01.880 Your students watched it.

01:59:04.520 Some of you walked past the spot

01:59:07.200 where he was murdered to get to your car.

01:59:11.180 Grief and fear make people write things at midnight

01:59:13.400 they'd like to take back.

01:59:17.020 And nobody should lose a job over a private email,

01:59:19.860 and I mean that.

01:59:20.760 I say that on the record.

01:59:22.740 You fire these two professors,

01:59:25.120 you've proved their point

01:59:27.200 and destroyed the very thing I'm asking you

01:59:29.560 as a university to restore.

01:59:31.620 The answer to a bad argument

01:59:33.560 has never been personnel action.

01:59:36.000 It's been a better argument in public.

01:59:38.380 it also is in all of you it was two letters out of 133 pages but you become the thing that you

01:59:49.940 say you stand against you know the church in the dark ages didn't burn people because it was evil

01:59:55.760 it burned them because it was certain it already had the answer so a man still asking the question

02:00:03.480 wasn't a scholar. He was a danger. He was a witch. He was a warlock. That's the move in that first

02:00:11.920 email. Not a rebuttal, a designation. He wasn't wrong. He was a threat to the young people we're

02:00:19.380 trying to educate. Notice the charge, shaping minds. You accuse him of trying to shape minds.

02:00:26.720 Sir, that is your job description.

02:00:31.800 The educational fascism you say you're standing against, gosh, wow, it looks an awful lot like the one you've embraced.

02:00:43.780 I would invite your university and all other universities to step into the light, to celebrate new ideas, to celebrate critical thinking, to celebrate open and civil discourse.

02:00:56.720 including the discourse that takes me apart

02:00:59.540 because I've been wrong out loud before

02:01:02.800 and I'd rather hear it from you or somebody else

02:01:05.260 than from history.

02:01:08.840 So when do you think UVU

02:01:11.620 will rejoin us in those things?

02:01:15.880 You have the room, you have the money,

02:01:18.740 you have the tenure.

02:01:21.560 All that's missing is the nerve and the spine.

02:01:26.720 there's a 900-year-old rule in Bologna that says

02:01:32.180 the professor may not skip the hard part.

02:01:38.640 I'd humbly ask that maybe you start covering the hard part.

02:01:47.640 Back in a minute.

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02:03:00.580 Turns out... 1.00

02:03:01.580 Well, when did that get there?

02:03:02.580 Common sense ain't all that common.

02:03:05.580 But around here, it's still standard equipment.

02:03:10.580 Glenn Beck returns in a minute.

02:03:25.580 I'm going to play this clip from Bill Maher again.

02:03:37.320 Bill Maher on Friday.

02:03:40.220 The guy is, I mean, one of the more honest liberals I have.

02:03:45.160 I think I can, I don't know of a more honest liberal than Bill Maher.

02:03:48.860 Listen to this.

02:03:50.320 And we're less crazy. 0.92

02:03:52.660 Who's less crazy? 0.99

02:03:53.520 Democrats. 0.99

02:03:54.580 What?

02:03:54.860 You haven't noticed?

02:03:55.280 Have you seen the Democratic?

02:03:59.260 You're being sarcastic.

02:04:00.720 No.

02:04:01.460 No? You think we're less crazy?

02:04:03.360 Maybe not inside, but we're at least, when we go out and give a speech,

02:04:07.360 talking about the economy and corruption. 0.54

02:04:09.920 There are communists who think the Islamists are the good guys. 1.00

02:04:12.480 Are you kidding? Less crazy? 0.99

02:04:14.060 The candidates?

02:04:15.180 Some of the candidates.

02:04:17.500 You're not following the Democratic Socialists of America?

02:04:20.300 Oh, no, I'm following them. I have to see them every day.

02:04:22.620 I work at Fox News. 0.97

02:04:25.280 okay they're not less crazy 0.94

02:04:27.600 and they're not recanting any of that crazy gender stuff i mean they're doubling down 0.52

02:04:35.200 you know it's i i mean bill maher's audience must be the most confused people they don't know what

02:04:43.780 to do they don't know what to do i think i don't they're like i was i i didn't get the memo which

02:04:50.540 side are we on right now you know what are we supposed to we're supposed to apply because you

02:04:55.040 know they wanted to applaud for her but bill maher is very very clear now no that's the you're out of

02:05:00.740 your mind uh and uh how do you miss this you know there was um the dispatch wrote an article when

02:05:11.360 uh donald trump was on the on the show uh and it said recently president donald trump also amplified

02:05:18.420 this narrative during an appearance on the glenn beck program saying he would absolutely

02:05:22.360 prohibit sharia law adding we see it we take it out but is there really such a threat to liberty

02:05:30.100 in america or might this fear itself and likely consequences pose a greater threat to liberty

02:05:37.340 i mean that makes for a good book cover you know i mean what a great story but that's not reality

02:05:46.120 that's not what it's happening are you are you listening to them are you hearing what they're

02:05:51.700 saying? Are you hearing that in the mosques here in America, they are saying, we are just going to 0.97

02:05:59.740 take them over. We are going to convert. I mean, if you ladies would like to wear, you know,

02:06:07.600 the hijab, you know, have at it, have at it. You can just see those sexy, sexy eyes and nothing 1.00

02:06:14.440 else. That's what's in your future. If you don't pay attention to this.

02:06:21.700 We'll be right back.

The Glenn Beck Program - September 21, 2026

Who’s Laughing at Trump’s Historic Greenland Deal Now？｜ Guest： Tristan Harris ｜ 9⧸21⧸26

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The Glenn Beck Program - September 21, 2026

Who’s Laughing at Trump’s Historic Greenland Deal Now？ ｜ Guest： Tristan Harris ｜ 9⧸21⧸26

Episode Stats

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Who’s Laughing at Trump’s Historic Greenland Deal Now？｜ Guest： Tristan Harris ｜ 9⧸21⧸26