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00:03:06.620 Well, everybody's quite upset today because they cannot believe that Donald Trump would

00:03:12.440 dare think about, you know, looking into domestic terrorist organizations and deeming something

00:03:19.120 like, oh, I don't know, Antifa, domestic terror organization. How could the president even think

00:03:25.500 about doing anything like that? My gosh, he's a fascist. Did you say the F word again? Are you

00:03:32.660 calling him a fascist again? Boy, there's no trouble that ever comes out of that, is there?

00:03:38.100 Fascists. Why did you just get a t-shirt and write fascist on it, to quote Keith Olbermann?

00:03:44.280 Uh, I guess I should explain who he is, but nobody really cares. So I'm going to move on from that.

00:03:51.240 We're going to talk about all the things that are going on, including the latest polls on violence.

00:03:56.320 Gee, who really likes violence? Who doesn't like violence? You're going to find this

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00:05:30.620 credit costs and terms. Wow, this is trouble, Stu. This is trouble. President Trump is supportive

00:05:39.160 of designating Antifa, a domestic terror organization. Oh no. And he, as he and his

00:05:46.300 aides consider how to respond to an increase in political violence, a concern pushed into the

00:05:52.420 spotlight after last week's assassination of Charlie Kirk. Now, he's also, brace yourself for this too,

00:06:02.560 because the Democrats would never do this. He's also looking into RICO charges. He's looking at

00:06:11.120 people who have been putting millions and millions of dollars up for this agitation and actually

00:06:16.140 charging them with RICO. Now, if you don't know what RICO is, RICO is what the state AG in Georgia

00:06:27.640 used to charge Donald Trump to overturn Georgia's election results in 2020. Oh, wow. So it's what

00:06:35.600 the Democrats used against Donald Trump when they were trying to put him in prison. But how dare him

00:06:42.640 think about using RICO charges? No. What kind of fascistic, fascist, fascist, fathead, fascist is this

00:06:51.280 guy? My God. Can you believe it, Glenn? I can't. Can you believe that a president would use the law

00:07:00.560 and target his political opponents? I know. It seems crazy. You know, one person who actually could

00:07:11.420 believe that that might happen? Me. You. Every single person in this audience who just had to deal with

00:07:19.340 multiple Democratic administrations who kept doing that over and over and over and over again.

00:07:25.700 I seem to remember. Oh, that's exactly what a fascist would say. Oh, speaking of fascism, good thing to bring up.

00:07:30.920 I seem to remember a giant speech in front of a red wall that looked like a scene out of a Star Wars sequel

00:07:39.380 where the president of the United States spent an hour outlining how every single one of his opponents

00:07:46.220 were domestic terrorists and incapable of violence at any moment and how we needed to crack down on it.

00:07:52.740 I seem to remember this over and over. Here you are engaging in whataboutism when all we're talking

00:07:59.220 about the fascistic, fascist, fathead that is nothing but a fascist who loves fascism.

00:08:06.740 You know, Donald Trump trying to use the RICO Act and forget about what the Democrats used the RICO Act

00:08:14.780 for last time. How dare he try to use the RICO Act to get people and put them in jail for actually

00:08:23.100 financing revolution in our country? Yeah. You just don't get it, Stu. It's I know I'm terrible at this

00:08:30.580 game. And I will say I am sensitive to the charge of whataboutism. We were critical of those

00:08:35.480 efforts in both of those administrations. And so I stand up here to, we will make an important

00:08:43.560 designation here in a moment because there is a massive difference as to what we were talking about

00:08:49.660 then and what we're talking about now. These are not the same. They're not the same at all. But I just

00:08:55.160 want to make it clear that I very much can picture, I can picture a president going after his political

00:09:02.960 opponents and calling them all terrorists and saying he's going to crack down on all their organizations.

00:09:07.020 I can even picture, you want to say, you want to go crazy. I can even picture a time in which people like

00:09:13.020 David Barton were put on extremist lists. I can remember that time. I can remember, I can even remember,

00:09:21.180 Glenn, a time in which that we put mothers and fathers who went to school board hearings on domestic terrorist

00:09:31.120 watch lists. This I can remember. It's okay. Hang on just a second. I am having a hard time with your

00:09:37.440 logic here because you said you wanted to picture it and you could picture. Well, are you picturing

00:09:43.800 it or are you remembering it, Stu? Be consistent. I've fallen out of character. I can picture all of

00:09:51.020 these things occurring because they very much did occur over and over and over again. Most of my adult

00:09:58.260 life, Glenn, has been spent being either rumored or directly accused of being on a terrorist extremist watch

00:10:06.440 list. For what? I want lower taxes?

00:10:10.620 I, I, I, I, this has been an entire, the entire run of this show. We are in, if you go to Apple iTunes, I'm pretty

00:10:18.400 sure we're under the domestic extremist category.

00:10:21.040 So I very much can understand and picture how this could occur. Now, as we, as I'm sure someone

00:10:31.860 yelling, what about ism at their radio can attest, we were very critical of those efforts. And it is

00:10:39.420 absolutely true and, and, and legitimate to bring up that criticism. So what is the difference?

00:10:46.420 The difference is clear. And if you listened, actually listened, and I know a lot of you people

00:10:52.660 who are in the media today that might be tuning in now to try to catch us saying something bad today,

00:10:57.700 whatever your stupid failure of a life job is, where you, you know, critique and transcript our

00:11:02.660 shows, you might be thinking, well, well, wait a minute. Yeah. You know, they, I remember this

00:11:06.580 because I was listening and obsessing about everything that has been said on this show for multiple

00:11:10.380 years, that they were critical of those efforts. That is true. And if you listen to the actual vice

00:11:15.480 president in his filling in for Charlie Kirk yesterday, he outlined very clearly what he

00:11:22.420 was talking about. First of all, he did name specific groups like the Ford Foundation, like

00:11:28.040 the Open Society Institute that are starting, that, that, that are pathways for all of this

00:11:33.600 stuff. And we've talked about that many times. I heard the phrase without evidence over and

00:11:38.640 over and over again. Donald Trump said without evidence. J.D. Vance said without evidence.

00:11:43.220 That one was bothering me for multiple reasons. Let me, let me just play, um, the, the funding

00:11:49.880 of violence by George Soros. Here's J.D. Vance yesterday. Cut to first, we must tell the truth.

00:11:56.920 It's the only way to honor Charlie for what was he, if not a man who told the truth in every place,

00:12:04.340 in every environment. Another truth is that 26% of young liberals believe political violence is

00:12:11.880 sometimes justified. 26. And only 7% of young conservatives say the same. Again, too high a

00:12:18.400 number. In a country of 330 million people, you can of course find one person of a given political

00:12:25.080 persuasion justifying this or that or almost anything. But the data is clear. People on the

00:12:32.720 left are much likelier to defend and celebrate political violence. This is not a both sides

00:12:39.260 problem. If both sides have a problem, one side has a much bigger and malignant problem. And that

00:12:45.720 is the truth we must be told. Now the most influential conservative activist in generations,

00:12:51.780 our friend Charlie has been murdered. This violence, it doesn't come from nowhere.

00:12:59.800 Now any political movement, violent or not violent, is a collection of forces. It's like a pyramid

00:13:04.620 that stacks on top, one support on top of the other. That pyramid's got a foundation of donors,

00:13:12.780 of activists, of journalists, now of social media influencers, and of course of politicians.

00:13:17.400 Not every member of that pyramid would commit a murder. In fact, over 99%, I'm sure, would not.

00:13:24.600 But by celebrating that murder, apologizing for it, and emphasizing not Charlie's innocence,

00:13:30.820 but the fact that he said things some didn't like, even to the point of lying about what he actually

00:13:36.160 said, many of these people are creating an environment where things like this are inevitably

00:13:41.800 going to happen. We can thank God that most Democrats don't share these attitudes, and I do,

00:13:47.760 while acknowledging that something has gone very wrong with a lunatic fringe, a minority,

00:13:54.960 but a growing and powerful minority on the far left. There is no unity with people who scream at

00:14:03.440 children over their parents' politics. There is no unity with someone who lies about what Charlie Kirk

00:14:09.120 said in order to excuse his murder. There is no unity with someone who harasses an innocent family

00:14:15.240 the day after the father of that family lost a dear friend. There is no unity with the people

00:14:21.320 who celebrate Charlie Kirk's assassination. And there is no unity with the people who fund these

00:14:27.540 articles, who pay the salaries of these terrorist sympathizers, who argue that Charlie Kirk,

00:14:33.220 a loving husband and father, deserved a shot to the neck because he spoke words with which they

00:14:40.700 disagree. Did you know that the George Soros Open Society Foundation and the Ford Foundation,

00:14:47.500 the groups who funded that disgusting article justifying Charlie's death, do you know they

00:14:52.540 benefit from generous tax treatment? They are literally subsidized by you and me,

00:14:58.220 the American taxpayer. And how do they reward us? By setting fire to the house built by the American

00:15:04.600 family over 250 years. I'm desperate for our country to be united in condemnation of the actions

00:15:12.760 and the ideas that killed my friend. I want it so badly that I will tell you a difficult truth.

00:15:19.140 We can only have it with people who acknowledge that political violence is unacceptable.

00:15:24.960 And when we work to dismantle the institutions that promote violence and terrorism in our own country.

00:15:35.380 You know, listen to his facts. He said 99% of those on the left would never do anything like this.

00:15:46.700 He was talking about the pyramid and 99, I'm sure 99%. Listen, the guy can't even do math. It's 74%

00:15:53.960 wouldn't do it because 26% say they're for the violence.

00:16:00.640 And it's only four times. We're told over and over again, this is a both sides problem. And if I

00:16:05.700 look, if I, I, if I have to hear another person acknowledge an incident that was legitimately

00:16:11.900 terrible, uh, the Minneapolis, uh, shooting of the two people, um, in Minneapolis, which was

00:16:20.520 legitimately bad. And if you want to blame that on one side, it did made a big deal out of it.

00:16:25.960 Yep. Absolutely horrible. I literally, literally met zero people or even saw even one tweet

00:16:34.580 supporting that, celebrating it, laughing about it. I saw nothing now. I'm not saying it doesn't

00:16:41.220 exist. I mean, they don't go to the darkest corners of the internet. Why isn't this as big

00:16:45.380 as the Charlie Kirk murder? Well, why isn't this just as big? It's the whataboutism. You have your

00:16:52.800 murder. We had our murder. How come you make a big deal out of Charlie Kirk? Well, first of all,

00:16:58.880 I think as most people would know, Charlie Kirk is one of the most famous people in politics. He was

00:17:03.680 one of the most well-known and powerful people in the entire conservative movement. That does not mean to

00:17:08.860 demean the life being taken by the people in, of the people in Minnesota. But quite clearly, as you,

00:17:14.880 as you know, every time they recount this, they don't say their names. They didn't even know their

00:17:19.120 names before. They don't even know them now. They're just using them as an argument. These poor two

00:17:22.980 people that were killed, uh, they're using them as an argument to try to deflect off of their own

00:17:27.600 side and the violence problem that the left has. This is a real thing. You could try to deflect it all

00:17:33.180 you want, but all of these examples keep piling up on one side of the ledger. And you know, what, what,

00:17:38.860 J.D. Vance points out with facts, he gave several polls there showing three, four, five X the problem

00:17:44.720 on the left, as we do have the right. We do have a problem on the right. As J.D. Vance acknowledged

00:17:50.000 multiple times, even 7% is way too high to accept political violence. That should be zero. However,

00:17:57.780 the problem is much larger on the other side. And to be clear here, we keep hearing this giant

00:18:05.240 crackdown, an awful thing that's going to happen that's going to trample all of our rights.

00:18:09.100 What if we have one example of the types of policies they're talking about here that was

00:18:14.360 outlined by the vice president of the United States, targeting the favorable tax treatment

00:18:20.560 of the organizations fomenting this violence. That is what has been proposed here, as far as I can tell,

00:18:28.200 and Antifa being designated a terrorist group. Those are the two things that have been

00:18:32.240 tossed out there. But you're forgetting that they want to use the RICO Act, something that is

00:18:36.760 clearly only something that the attorney general in Georgia could use against Donald Trump. Let's

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00:20:34.020 back in just a minute. Yeah, but it's only 26% say that political violence is okay, Stu. Only a

00:20:52.260 quarter. Only 26%. A little more than a quarter, I suppose. Just so you know, do you think it's pretty

00:20:58.460 out there when you hear people go, uh, gee, we never went to the moon? We never went to the moon.

00:21:04.520 Oh yeah. That's way out there. That's pretty out there, right? Yeah. Okay. But you could say it's

00:21:09.120 growing. There's a growing number of people that are saying we never went to the moon. Yeah. It

00:21:14.800 seems the current number I think is 16%. Okay. 16, 16, which is up, but it's still very way up. It used to

00:21:22.960 be seven. Yeah. It used to be seven. It used to be seven. Still very much lower than 26. I'm not a

00:21:27.920 mathematician. Um, though my understanding is that 26 is still to this day higher than 16 or seven.

00:21:35.440 Yeah. That's weird. That's, that's weird. Uh, so you're not, you're, you're, you're, you're looking

00:21:41.920 at a, a pretty large, uh, dare I say it, dare I say it. I don't want to get, I mean, this show is

00:21:48.080 known for its science and its math and its mathematics. Uh, we get into heavy math and

00:21:53.300 heavy science all the time here, but dare I say it and bring it up and Stu, maybe you can

00:21:57.560 break this down for the people. That's just one percentage point over a quarter of the

00:22:02.780 population, uh, for the left of the left. Yeah. Um, that's interesting. Can you, uh, I would

00:22:08.300 also argue, you know, you have the 7% of the moon supporters when it was really, really fringe

00:22:13.500 and no one ever, ever talked about, uh, the, you know, the moon landing was faked. Uh, that's

00:22:17.860 the same percentage it currently is for the right to approve of political violence. As

00:22:23.300 the vice president said, very much too high, but it's almost impossible to have percentages

00:22:29.960 lower than five to 7% in, in these posts. Somebody always believes something crazy.

00:22:35.300 Right. When we were doing interviews on the moon, you know, 7% were like, we're not on the

00:22:41.440 moon. That's a movie set. Okay. Uh, when it was very, very clear, yeah, we went to the

00:22:47.520 moon now with all of the, you know, indoctrination and everything else that everybody's questioning.

00:22:52.880 Now you've got, you know, 10% more just under 10% that are like, yeah, we never went to the

00:22:58.700 moon. We never went to the moon. That number is growing, but unfortunately, so is the call

00:23:04.760 for political violence. Okay. And, uh, yeah, it is bad on the, uh, on the right. I'd like

00:23:14.560 that number to be zero, but again, that's, you know, the number of people who thought

00:23:20.120 we didn't go to the moon, uh, about 20 years ago when everybody knew we went to the moon.

00:23:25.420 Uh, still 7% is really bad. 26% is much, much worse. I just want to point that out. One

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00:25:11.760 Welcome to the, uh, Glenn Beck program. I'm on my way to, uh, Phoenix for the rest of the week.

00:25:27.040 Uh, I will be at, uh, TP USA, uh, tomorrow filling in for Charlie Kirk and I am honored to, uh, I have to

00:25:36.340 tell you, boy, I don't know what it's going to feel like to sit in his chair. Um, but, uh,

00:25:43.060 we'll do that tomorrow. Um, listen, I want to talk to you about a friend of mine. I have a,

00:25:49.360 a very dear friend. She's mom. She has some older kids later in life. She had a surprise and it was

00:25:55.900 a joyful surprise. So she still has one young son at home. I remember she told me years ago when her son

00:26:05.080 was four, um, uh, he, he was getting ready for bed one night and she pulled his pajamas on over his

00:26:15.800 head and she took her face in his hands. Uh, and she said, I just love you so much. And her son reached

00:26:23.380 out, grabbed her face and said, mom, someday I'm going to have to fight a great battle and you are

00:26:31.160 not getting me ready for it. Now, when she told me this, I said, what are you telling your four year

00:26:40.040 old? You're like, by the way, Jesus is coming and there's going to be a great battle and the devil's

00:26:47.440 going to get you. You know, I'm like, what are you telling your kid? She's like, Glenn, we have never

00:26:52.400 had a conversation about any of that. Never. She's like, he's four. Why would I be saying anything like

00:26:59.400 that? And, um, she was just, her and her husband were like, what, what is happening? And he was

00:27:07.580 dead set. There is a great battle coming and I have to fight it and you're not preparing me for it. Now

00:27:14.240 he's 11. She called me, uh, after the shooting with, with Charlie. And she told me that the shooting

00:27:25.960 reminded her of that moment with her son. And then she said something so tragic because I know this

00:27:32.700 woman. I just, I love her to death. And I know, I know her heart and I know the way she's raising her

00:27:40.220 kids. And she said to me, I don't think I have been raising him, Glenn. I, I, I, even, even knowing

00:27:50.740 that I'm supposed to, I don't know if I've done enough to prepare him for what's coming next to

00:27:57.960 get ready for him, to get ready for what he has to do in his life.

00:28:02.840 We all go through this one way or another as our kids, my kids, my two younger kids moved out of the

00:28:14.020 house this year and I'm terrified. I'm terrified because Tanya and I both say we didn't do enough.

00:28:22.880 We didn't do enough. And I got to believe our heavenly father might have had a moment of that

00:28:30.840 as he's sending us through the, you know, through the veil and through the birth canal going, did I do

00:28:37.200 enough to make sure? I mean,

00:28:42.680 the work we have to do is the work of uniting all of us.

00:28:55.460 This generation, I'm absolutely convinced this generation is the generation that

00:29:00.800 has been sent here at this time for a reason. And I think I know what that reason is, but I could

00:29:06.960 be wrong. I don't know. But I know it. And I've seen it. I've had two gatherings of youth at my house in

00:29:18.100 the last 10 days. I had about 70 people over at my house last Sunday, and I think I had about 50 people

00:29:25.660 over the Tuesday before Charlie was shot. And I sat there and I taught them civics and history of our

00:29:35.420 country. And I showed them artifacts and tried to engage with them to get them to see the things that

00:29:42.680 I see that they have never been taught. And I saw it in their eyes. They are engaged. And many of them know

00:29:52.600 tough times are coming. And while they don't want to talk about it per se, they know. They know they're

00:30:01.460 going to be the ones that are going to fix this and change this and take all of this on.

00:30:06.940 I see it in the faces of my own children. My friend sees it in the face of her four-year-old who's

00:30:13.280 now 11. And I think you see it too. The God-given potential of the generations that are behind us,

00:30:26.360 that are now coming up. William Wordsworth, the poet, said that birth is not the beginning of our

00:30:35.580 existence. Quote, trailing clouds of glory do we come from God who is our home. Each child comes to us

00:30:47.340 with this divine light inside, an infinite potential. And if you've had more than one kid, you know it's

00:30:55.340 not just nurture. Because all four of my kids are wildly different. As the kids raised the flag

00:31:07.260 here at my ranch on Sunday, I looked around at them and I wished I could show them what I saw in them,

00:31:19.440 the potential that all of them. I wish I could share with the youth just a glimpse of what I see.

00:31:32.880 I wish I could send them a YouTube or Instagram or TikTok video of who they really are.

00:31:37.120 a video of how I really see them, how God sees them. But I think that is our mission. And we have to

00:31:48.500 understand, can you imagine what the parents of the shooter feel like today? Hush, if you live in

00:31:56.360 their community, I hope you let them know they're not alone. I mean, not to excuse the shooter or

00:32:05.340 anything else. But my gosh, I've, I've raised 14 teenagers now. And it is not easy. And all of us,

00:32:16.660 all of us, we all know, you got a wayward kid. And in today's world, it's even worse because there

00:32:25.760 are predators out there waiting to take your kid. Our job.

00:32:30.320 I used to think it was to save America, but our job is actually bigger than that. Our job is to lead

00:32:38.140 the next generation to their work and not tell them exactly how to do it. Because I don't know

00:32:44.540 how to do it. Do you? If I knew how to do it, I think we'd be doing it. I think too many of us think

00:32:51.760 they're not capable and we're treating our kids like kids. Stop it. They're not kids at 26. I don't think

00:32:58.200 they're kids at 16. Things have changed. Childhood has changed. Stop treating them like children.

00:33:11.660 I mean, I, I'm, I know I'm like you. I get frustrated that our,

00:33:16.340 that our kids, you know, they, they're not like we used to be. They didn't have,

00:33:23.680 you know who used to say that too. The greatest generation, their parents used to say that too.

00:33:30.800 They didn't have to work hard for a living. They don't know what it's like without these,

00:33:35.240 this is literally what they said without these fancy cars and refrigeration.

00:33:40.780 They don't know what it was like to get a block of ice out of the lake and bring it to keep your

00:33:46.860 food cold. They're never going to be able to fight anything. They're weak.

00:33:51.160 They were the greatest generation.

00:33:57.520 We got to stop calling these guys lazy and lost because they're not, they may be lost,

00:34:02.940 but just as lost as you and I are, I got to tell you, I'm lost.

00:34:08.120 I fight every single day with something. There's something in my head. Oh man, pray for me, please.

00:34:14.960 I've got so many things. I got this tangled knot in my head right now. And I haven't had this,

00:34:20.980 honestly. I had the opportunity to baptize my niece on Saturday and her husband.

00:34:28.940 And I stood in the waters and I'm like, Lord, can, can we just start over with me too? Can I just,

00:34:35.280 you know, I know I'm not going under the water. I'm baptizing somebody, but can we just start all

00:34:39.260 over? Cause I got this tangled knot in me and I've got so many things that what I did,

00:34:43.340 what I didn't do. And I got to get rid of it all. Take it from me, please take it.

00:34:54.980 They're lost, but let's admit it. So are we.

00:34:59.260 And I know the answer for me. We just have to put our hand out to bring them,

00:35:04.580 to bring them with us and ask them to bring us with them as they fight for freedom.

00:35:13.580 Bible says, and about the 11th hour, he went out and found the other standing idle and saith unto

00:35:20.520 them, why stand ye here all the day idle? They said unto him, because no man has hired us.

00:35:28.980 We have left them idle because we have, we've made the decision that they're not as capable as we

00:35:39.580 are. You ever worked for somebody like that? Nah, I'll just do it myself. You don't get anywhere with

00:35:45.240 that kind of person. They weren't sent here to be like us. That's the point. Again, if we could have

00:35:53.120 fixed it, we would have fixed it. They weren't sent here to be like us. They were sent here to be the

00:35:58.660 battalion that God needs them to be for this time and for this moment. Let's stop trying to shape them

00:36:05.540 in our image. It's our call to help them see who they are and to grow into the image that God has

00:36:14.280 intended for them. I would love for my, I'd love for my son or daughter to be like me, you know, like

00:36:24.960 the things I like because we'd have such an easy time on things and, you know, do the things that I

00:36:30.480 want you to do. That's not the way it is. It's not the way it's supposed to be. It's our call to help

00:36:35.840 them. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together

00:36:45.060 his elect from the four winds and from one end of heaven to the other. I think Charlie was one of

00:36:51.460 those angels. I do. He saw, he saw the potential in the youth, even though the culture was saying

00:36:59.260 they were addicted to screens and they're apathetic and they don't, they don't know what it's like to

00:37:05.660 go drag the ice out of the lake. Charlie was gathering the elect so they could bring together

00:37:11.360 all of God's children from the four corners of the earth. Now it's our turn.

00:37:18.980 We are the angels and they are the elect. Charlie saw that. Charlie lived that. And it's time for

00:37:26.300 people of my age to live that too. Mom, dad, someday I'm going to have to fight a great battle.

00:37:43.420 Please get me ready for it.

00:37:51.400 Back in a minute.

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00:41:49.440 89. 89, actually. 89 years old. Wow. 89 years old. He's passed away. Now, imagine if I got on and

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00:42:03.580 you would think, what a monster you are. Because I'm not glad he's dead. I really despised his

00:42:10.700 politics. But the guy brought a lot of joy to a lot of people, including me. Well, he did.

00:42:17.300 Well, I should say, I crashed into him on the ski slopes at one point, and he was very

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00:42:28.720 slopes. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What? What did you just say? You crashed into Robert

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00:43:55.620 Robert Redford.

00:43:59.260 This is Glenn Beck.

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00:45:22.620 Welcome to the table.

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00:46:51.720 You mean that RICO Act?

00:46:53.700 I can't believe a president would use that.

00:46:56.240 This time the president is actually using it to stop homegrown terrorism and people who are trying to overthrow our nation.

00:47:05.180 I don't know.

00:47:05.940 Seems like a good use of the RICO Act.

00:47:08.760 We'll have more on that in just a second.

00:47:10.240 Also, Stu, I don't know if you noticed, but I think the president took your advice when, you know, you were saying last week,

00:47:17.860 I wish instead of Chicago, we would go into places like Memphis where the governors would welcome the help on crime.

00:47:25.860 And that's exactly what the president is doing.

00:47:28.380 That's really good news and strategically, I think, pretty brilliant.

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00:48:43.020 So do we have the audio of Pam Bondi by any chance when she was talking about hate speech?

00:48:50.900 Listen to this.

00:48:52.140 There's free speech and then there's hate speech.

00:48:55.080 And there is no place, especially now, especially after what happened to Charlie in our society.

00:49:02.040 Do you see more law enforcement going after these groups who are using hate speech and putting cuffs on people?

00:49:09.800 So we show them that some action is better than no action.

00:49:12.860 We will absolutely target you, go after you if you are targeting anyone with hate speech, anything.

00:49:21.860 And that's across the aisle.

00:49:23.000 Hmm.

00:49:25.440 Okay.

00:49:26.700 No.

00:49:28.420 No.

00:49:29.820 Hate speech does not exist.

00:49:32.520 Now, let me just say this.

00:49:34.960 Anybody who happens to be listening and go, you know, Glenn Beck, he's just lock, stock, and barrel, and just walking because his Zionist masters or Donald Trump tells him what to say or whatever.

00:49:48.480 I've never been that guy.

00:49:49.560 You know that if you've listened to this program, believe me, Donald Trump knows that.

00:49:56.680 Just thinking, I'm sorry, thinking of a funny exchange, Donald Trump and I had about this very thing.

00:50:01.000 But I say it like I feel it is.

00:50:04.120 Okay.

00:50:04.420 It doesn't make it right or wrong.

00:50:05.840 That's up for you to decide.

00:50:06.840 I'm telling you my opinion.

00:50:08.140 And my opinion is this is wrong.

00:50:11.300 And luckily, we'll get to it here in a second.

00:50:13.280 She has changed it.

00:50:14.200 But let me explain.

00:50:14.900 Hate speech doesn't exist.

00:50:17.620 The only kind of speech that anybody can do anything about, especially the government, is speech that directly and what is it?

00:50:32.560 Not urgently, but quickly.

00:50:35.240 Imminently.

00:50:35.640 I can't remember.

00:50:36.520 Imminently.

00:50:37.320 Imminently leads to violence.

00:50:39.460 It has to be you saying, I want you to pick up that gun and shoot somebody.

00:50:47.800 And then that person picks up the gun and shoots somebody quickly.

00:50:52.320 Yeah.

00:50:52.600 I think the term is it's likely to lead to imminent violence.

00:50:56.060 It doesn't necessarily have to.

00:50:57.520 Correct.

00:50:57.840 But it has to be.

00:50:58.820 Correct.

00:50:58.920 Yeah.

00:50:59.080 So these are really high standards.

00:51:01.360 Very high standards.

00:51:02.620 Very high standards.

00:51:03.380 Why?

00:51:03.700 Because if you don't have that, you turn into, oh, I don't know, England.

00:51:09.240 Have you seen what's happening with England?

00:51:11.200 And let me ask everybody on the left and the right, do you want to put people in jail?

00:51:17.960 I don't want to answer.

00:51:19.260 I don't want to ask this question because I'm so afraid of the answer from half the population.

00:51:23.380 Because 26% we just found out in a new poll, 26% of those on the left say it's okay to kill Charlie Kirk.

00:51:32.860 25% of Americans on the left that vote Democrat say the world is a better place without Charlie Kirk.

00:51:39.560 What is wrong with you?

00:51:40.660 What is wrong with you?

00:51:43.340 So I'm a little afraid to ask this question.

00:51:46.960 But do you want to put people in jail for what they say, what they believe?

00:51:51.400 You know, I don't want to put anyone in jail because they call me a fascist.

00:51:56.200 You're just wrong.

00:51:57.640 You're ignorant.

00:51:59.100 And you're wrong.

00:52:00.060 I mean, the more you say it, the more ignorant you become.

00:52:03.060 Because all I have to do is go to the dictionary and look up what fascism is.

00:52:06.600 And I don't fit in that category.

00:52:08.860 I look up what fascism is, the actual definition of fascism.

00:52:13.040 And there's one president, one, one, that I can actually say was going down a fascistic road.

00:52:20.340 And that was Joe Biden.

00:52:22.300 And literally fascistic road because of his public-private partnership.

00:52:26.900 Now, a lot of presidents have done that.

00:52:29.080 But he took that and went way, way, way, way, way down the road.

00:52:33.800 He was trying to change capitalism entirely into these public-private partnerships.

00:52:38.260 That is the definition of fascism.

00:52:41.120 So please don't start in on your fascistic stuff.

00:52:45.500 You're an idiot.

00:52:47.140 But idiots have a right to exist.

00:52:49.220 You have a right to your opinion.

00:52:50.880 I would like, I'd like to live in a world where we can all look at each other and go, we're all on the road of being right.

00:52:58.280 I don't know where you are.

00:53:00.500 You might be a few blocks ahead of me or a few blocks behind me or maybe miles behind or miles ahead.

00:53:05.280 I don't know.

00:53:06.520 But I just want to understand where you are.

00:53:09.300 How did you get there?

00:53:10.420 How did you get there?

00:53:11.620 And I want to have a decent conversation with you.

00:53:14.620 This is why I admire Charlie Kirk so much.

00:53:16.820 I could never do that.

00:53:18.440 Never.

00:53:19.100 I couldn't go to, I could not be surrounded by so many people who are just so stupid and won't, and just won't listen.

00:53:28.600 I'll listen to you.

00:53:29.680 I'll listen to you.

00:53:31.160 Can you stop trying to be right?

00:53:33.900 And can we just listen to each other?

00:53:36.960 How did you get there?

00:53:38.620 What makes you feel that way?

00:53:41.040 Okay.

00:53:41.920 Well, let me throw this out.

00:53:44.300 Do you know what that actually means?

00:53:46.080 Do you know what the definition is?

00:53:47.440 Oh, no, you're on blah, blah, blah.

00:53:48.880 That's where I stop.

00:53:50.040 That's where I stop.

00:53:50.960 I'm not Charlie.

00:53:52.940 I'm not a good enough person to be Charlie Kirk and listen to all of that.

00:53:57.240 I try, and we need to get better at it, and I need to get better at it.

00:54:02.060 But that's where I want to live.

00:54:05.660 I want to live in a world where we can actually have a conversation with each other.

00:54:09.180 But facts actually matter.

00:54:12.060 Facts matter.

00:54:14.320 Logic, critical thinking actually matters.

00:54:18.420 History actually matters.

00:54:21.260 I don't know if we live in that world.

00:54:24.660 But I know this.

00:54:25.760 I don't want to live in a world where you can be shot for your opinion.

00:54:30.600 Okay?

00:54:30.820 That's not America.

00:54:31.780 I don't know what country that is, but that's not America.

00:54:35.740 That's not even England.

00:54:37.040 That's not France.

00:54:38.260 That's nothing Western.

00:54:40.720 I don't want to live in that world.

00:54:42.600 I also don't want to live in a world like England is doing right now where if you disagree with me,

00:54:48.420 you can cancel me or you can throw me in jail.

00:54:53.520 It starts with cancellation, and when cancellation isn't good enough, well, then they start throwing you in jail.

00:55:00.060 And there is a difference between canceling somebody for what they might have said or what they did or whatever 20 years ago.

00:55:08.820 Canceling somebody because I won't put the black box on my screen.

00:55:15.800 I'm sorry.

00:55:16.640 I don't think, and as it turns out, one of us was right and one of us was wrong.

00:55:21.220 I'm sorry.

00:55:22.640 One of us was ahead of the other on the road to being right.

00:55:25.840 And that is BLM turns out to be a total sham.

00:55:31.460 It wasn't a civil rights movement.

00:55:32.760 It was a sham.

00:55:33.840 And we all knew it at the time.

00:55:35.240 People just denied it.

00:55:36.680 And you canceling me because I won't stand up for BLM?

00:55:39.960 No.

00:55:40.780 Not going to.

00:55:41.860 Not going to.

00:55:42.480 There's a difference between that and then saying, wait a minute, you celebrated death?

00:55:48.820 You think it's okay to kill somebody for their political ideology and what they say?

00:55:56.220 You think it's okay to shoot them and assassinate them?

00:56:01.980 No.

00:56:02.580 I don't want to work with you.

00:56:03.780 And I would be like that if anybody in my employ ever said, you know what?

00:56:08.880 You know what we got to do?

00:56:09.900 We just have to kill XYZ because of their opinion on XYZ.

00:56:14.380 You're fired.

00:56:15.780 You're fired.

00:56:17.080 And not because I want to punish you.

00:56:19.420 I don't want you in my organization.

00:56:21.200 I think you're poison.

00:56:22.460 I think you're poison.

00:56:23.160 And don't think I wouldn't do it because I would do it.

00:56:27.340 And I would feel justified in doing it.

00:56:31.120 You can't have teachers that are teaching the young that think it's okay to have political violence.

00:56:37.940 It's not okay.

00:56:39.020 You know, I'm not neutral on a few people.

00:56:42.660 Doctors.

00:56:43.200 You see that story about the doctor that, you know, was fired.

00:56:46.840 The nurse was going to be fired because the doctor's coming out with a patient and comes up.

00:56:54.440 And one of the nurses said, do you hear that Charlie Kirk died?

00:56:57.100 And he said, good.

00:56:57.760 I'm glad he brought it on himself.

00:56:59.200 I didn't like Charlie Kirk.

00:57:00.880 You know, I think that's fine.

00:57:02.140 And the nurse is like, how can you possibly say that?

00:57:04.880 How can you possibly say that?

00:57:06.380 And then tell this patient that, you know, you're going to help them out and everything.

00:57:12.520 Would you help out Charlie Kirk?

00:57:13.800 What if this patient actually believes what Charlie Kirk does?

00:57:16.640 Are you going to give them less service?

00:57:19.340 She was fired.

00:57:20.820 She put it up on social media.

00:57:22.920 Now she's got her job back and the doctor's been fired.

00:57:25.720 And quite honestly, that's a position of trust.

00:57:29.340 And don't tell me that I'm making something up because how many doctors said, doctors said that if you disagreed with what the government said about COVID and the vaccines, you shouldn't be treated.

00:57:43.620 That somehow or another, you were subhuman.

00:57:47.340 How is that possible?

00:57:48.660 How is that possible?

00:57:49.460 It's possible because you let politics start playing a role and you start dehumanizing people.

00:57:59.820 So anyway, I'm sorry.

00:58:01.040 I was off on a rant on a tangent here.

00:58:02.880 I just wanted to talk about freedom of speech.

00:58:06.100 There is no such thing as hate speech.

00:58:08.740 There is speech that leads directly to violence and that has to be stopped.

00:58:14.600 But speech is just speech.

00:58:16.560 It might indicate that you're a hater, but there's no punishment for hate speech, period.

00:58:28.420 If you're threatening members of Congress, if you're threatening other people, that's not hate speech.

00:58:34.140 That's threatening speech.

00:58:35.900 And that's in its own category.

00:58:38.360 We've got to stop with this.

00:58:39.740 You know what hate speech leads to?

00:58:41.120 Oh, that person killed this person and we got them on hate speech too.

00:58:45.700 So we can give them more time.

00:58:47.600 Well, wait a minute.

00:58:48.540 Why give them more time than the other person that was killed over here?

00:58:52.600 That person hated them too, but they don't fall into a certain category.

00:58:56.340 So we don't give them the same kind of punishment.

00:58:58.800 What is that?

00:59:01.300 What is that?

00:59:02.060 That's not a country I want to live in.

00:59:03.680 That's not equal justice.

00:59:05.120 No, and I will say I'm pretty encouraged by the reaction on the right to what Pam Bondi said.

00:59:16.340 You know, it's been pretty much universal.

00:59:19.820 No thanks on that one.

00:59:21.900 And, you know, look, we've all seen one of the reasons we've worried and warned the left about this type of behavior was you're not going to like it if it gets applied to you.

00:59:32.240 And they won't.

00:59:34.740 I mean, and it shouldn't be.

00:59:35.880 Look, this is a country where we do allow, I mean, the standards for speech that violates these sorts of ideas are, as you point out, really, really high, appropriately high.

00:59:51.680 At times it feels too high.

00:59:54.100 And that's exactly how it should feel.

00:59:56.480 It should make you feel uncomfortable that we're allowing too much.

00:59:59.540 That is exactly the correct standard.

01:00:02.500 And there's going to be a lot of times where we're going to hate that.

01:00:05.360 We're going to not like it.

01:00:06.300 We're going to be angry about it.

01:00:07.760 I'm angry about it a lot.

01:00:09.760 But it's the correct way to approach this stuff.

01:00:13.720 And even people who are, you know, maybe not as free speech absolutist or as close to that as we might be, Glenn, even people on the right that are not necessarily in our lane on that particular issue are critical of this.

01:00:29.200 This is a road you do not want to go down.

01:00:31.220 I think it's a really good thing.

01:00:32.120 You do not want to go down that.

01:00:33.640 And I would just like to point out to the New York Times and Washington Post and everybody else, if you don't think that we don't have the ability, the power, the righteous indignation, and the moment that the things like the Patriot Act are born in, which was a very bad thing, you're wrong.

01:00:55.780 If those on the left or those on the right decided to be the monsters that some on the left are that just want to just my way and everybody else can go to jail or be dead, we could do that right now.

01:01:10.980 And we're not.

01:01:11.940 I think our side is showing extraordinary restraint, extraordinary, I shouldn't say that, appropriate American constitutional restraint for everything that the left has put the right through, all the names you have called us and everything else, all of the, you know, I totaled it up with my wife the other day.

01:01:34.560 Since 2008, I think my family has spent about $15 million on security.

01:01:41.700 That's insanity.

01:01:43.560 That's insanity.

01:01:45.360 You know how many jobs I could have created with that?

01:01:47.320 Do you know how many things I could have done with that?

01:01:49.600 How many people I could have sent to college on that money?

01:01:54.380 Why do I have to do it?

01:01:55.500 I shouldn't have to do it.

01:01:56.680 I do because the left is out of control.

01:01:59.320 And I warn everybody in my position, you need to spend the money.

01:02:06.340 If you want your voice to be heard and you to live and be with your family, you have to spend the money.

01:02:12.700 And even then you're rolling the dice.

01:02:15.300 Why?

01:02:17.560 Why?

01:02:19.960 Because one side is completely out of control.

01:02:23.340 The other side has a problem.

01:02:27.320 7%.

01:02:27.800 The left has a 26% number.

01:02:33.120 They think it's okay to kill people.

01:02:34.820 7% is out of control.

01:02:36.760 26% is a radical disease.

01:02:42.020 I am proud of our side.

01:02:45.020 Thus far, not screaming for blood, not screaming for the Patriot Act,

01:02:50.100 not screaming for extra constitutional things to be done.

01:02:55.180 So far, we have handled this perfectly.

01:02:59.600 Let's continue to do that.

01:03:01.560 But I would just like to point that out for those who might be listening from the New York Times or Washington Post or anywhere else.

01:03:08.780 Shame on you.

01:03:11.200 Shame on you for pretending that we are not restraining ourselves.

01:03:17.820 We're pretending that what is happening in this country on one side is damn near miraculous.

01:03:26.300 In this climate, do you really think if the roles were reversed that your side wouldn't be confiscating guns and everything else right now?

01:03:39.440 You know you would be silencing speech.

01:03:43.580 There would be all kinds of new laws being proposed.

01:03:46.800 The government, the president would be taking extra constitutional action.

01:03:51.200 We're not doing it.

01:03:53.100 And don't kid yourself.

01:03:54.320 You would be.

01:03:55.940 Just notice that.

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01:05:16.280 Back to the show.

01:05:16.760 You know, Glenn, one other thing that's a little disturbing on this, and I know Pam Bondi has taken a lot of criticism, but, you know, she kind of doubled down on this after and said,

01:05:35.000 if someone requests a Charlie Kirk poster to be printed, the printing store should have to print it, and we can go after you.

01:05:42.780 I mean, this is the bake-the-cake story in reverse.

01:05:46.560 And, like, these are – my issue here is this is not graduate school conservatism.

01:05:52.880 You don't need to get through 12 years of conservative college to get to the points where you should understand that the hate speech thing is not a thing and that you should not be forcing people to bake the cake.

01:06:05.200 These are things you should learn really early on.

01:06:07.640 And if she's running all of these very important pieces of our Justice Department right now with this sort of, like, I don't know, reactionary sort of position on a lot of this stuff, it's really a disturbing situation.

01:06:25.540 And I know the president's been very defensive of her.

01:06:28.080 I'm sure she's done some good things behind the scenes, but you've got to have more depth on this.

01:06:32.840 So, at the very least, you've got to be able to say, hey, this is why I think this is different than all of these positions we've all held all of these years.

01:06:40.220 I'm not sure what's going on here.

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01:08:50.860 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

01:08:54.680 May I compliment somebody on the left that does not agree with a word I say, and I know because I know this individual, Jamie Lee Curtis.

01:09:04.200 Um, Jamie Lee Curtis came out and made a statement about Charlie Kirk, and I want you to hear it.

01:09:10.940 Charlie Crist was killed two days ago.

01:09:14.160 Kirk, not yet Charlie.

01:09:15.600 I'm sorry.

01:09:16.760 Kirk.

01:09:17.320 Kirk.

01:09:17.820 I just call him Crist.

01:09:18.820 Yeah.

01:09:18.940 I think because of Christ.

01:09:20.120 Yeah, yeah.

01:09:20.440 Because of, because of his deep, deep belief.

01:09:26.520 I mean, it, it, I disagreed with him on almost every point I ever heard him say.

01:09:32.480 Yeah.

01:09:34.120 But I believe he was a man of faith.

01:09:36.280 Mm-hmm.

01:09:36.560 And I hope in that moment when he died, that he felt connected to his faith, even though I find what he, his ideas were abhorrent to me.

01:09:48.920 Yeah.

01:09:49.180 I still believe he's a father and a husband and a man of faith.

01:09:53.720 And I, I hope whatever connection to God means that he felt it.

01:10:01.260 Yesterday was 9-11.

01:10:05.580 I know there is video of his assassination.

01:10:10.540 Mm-hmm.

01:10:11.360 I know people who've seen it.

01:10:13.320 Yesterday, we watched again, these images of those buildings coming down.

01:10:21.680 We as a society are bombarded with imagery.

01:10:26.280 So, we don't know what the longitudinal effects of seeing those towers come down over and over and over and over again.

01:10:37.080 Or watching his execution over and over and over again.

01:10:46.760 We watched the Zabruder film, by the way, my birthday, November 22nd.

01:10:52.060 Mm-hmm.

01:10:53.220 I'm associated with this awful day of someone being assassinated on television.

01:11:00.240 But it's, as you know, this Zabruder film is the only visual document that moves, that shares that horror of what happened.

01:11:12.060 But here we have now these images.

01:11:15.140 All the time, every day.

01:11:16.220 And we are inured to them, and we are numb to them, but they are in there.

01:11:21.700 We don't know.

01:11:23.440 We don't know enough, psychologically, about what that does.

01:11:29.260 What does that do?

01:11:31.080 That kind of, I don't ever want to see this footage of this man being shot.

01:11:34.980 I didn't watch it.

01:11:35.880 I think it diminishes the depth of humanity.

01:11:38.300 Now, I would like to point out that she is making a very good point of what this does to you psychologically.

01:11:50.000 She is also, you know, making, you know, the Halloween movie, the Halloween movies as well.

01:11:58.220 And I would like to just point out, and this is not a critique on her, because I love her.

01:12:04.080 I love what she just said.

01:12:05.100 Okay, she strongly disagrees with him, but she handled it perfectly.

01:12:10.000 But I, you know, I would like people who make movies to ask themselves,

01:12:16.960 okay, but are we also cheapening death and life by the movies we make?

01:12:25.380 Because I think the answer to that is yes.

01:12:27.660 I don't know by how much, you know, but it has to.

01:12:31.040 You put garbage in, you get garbage out.

01:12:33.540 But, again, she handled that perfectly.

01:12:38.460 And I don't know how, if she's getting hate or anything else.

01:12:41.740 I know, it's talked about this yesterday that Kristen Chenoweth, a big Broadway star, did the same thing.

01:12:48.980 And she is being blackballed now by her own industry.

01:12:53.020 For what, for standing up and saying, this guy shouldn't have been shot?

01:12:59.400 I mean, it just shows the depth of darkness that is living in our society.

01:13:09.880 And it just has to stop.

01:13:11.520 So, thank you, Jamie Lee Curtis, for handling this the right way.

01:13:18.560 And, you know, it's funny because I met Jamie Lee Curtis.

01:13:22.520 She was on my show years ago.

01:13:25.140 And, oh, my gosh, you found a picture.

01:13:28.880 Oof, if you're watching The Blaze.

01:13:30.500 Wow.

01:13:31.120 Is that even me?

01:13:32.300 No.

01:13:33.180 Wow.

01:13:33.760 But, look at that.

01:13:34.740 She looks great then and now, weirdly.

01:13:37.300 I know she does.

01:13:38.160 You can't say the same.

01:13:39.760 No, thank you.

01:13:41.340 But she was on my show at that time.

01:13:43.620 And I'll never forget.

01:13:44.500 Do you remember I spent an hour with her?

01:13:46.100 And at first, she was sitting in her chair.

01:13:49.060 And she was just pushed back.

01:13:50.420 And she had her arms crossed her chest.

01:13:53.560 And I said to her at one point, I said, are you okay?

01:13:57.120 And she said, you scare me.

01:13:59.040 And I said, what do you mean?

01:14:00.980 And she said, you scare me.

01:14:02.800 I watch your show and sometimes you say things that scare me.

01:14:06.960 And so we talked about it.

01:14:08.420 And that picture was taken after.

01:14:10.620 And look at her.

01:14:12.780 I mean, she's next to me.

01:14:15.020 She's got her head on my shoulder, her arm around my arm.

01:14:19.420 And I thought we had become, not friends, but friendly to one another.

01:14:25.300 And we still disagreed with each other.

01:14:27.840 We still disagreed with each other.

01:14:29.200 But she was a reasonable human being.

01:14:31.740 And obviously, she is still a reasonable human being that I disagree with almost everything she says.

01:14:38.080 And I'm sure she says the same thing about me.

01:14:39.720 But thank you, Jamie Lee Curtis, for being a decent human being.

01:14:43.380 Thank you for that.

01:14:46.900 Now I wish that could happen to everybody.

01:14:49.420 Who steps out of line.

01:14:51.860 And I mean that on both sides.

01:14:53.220 Not on this issue.

01:14:53.980 But, you know, sometimes, you know, you step out of line.

01:14:56.260 Who are you to say that?

01:14:58.040 Now, let me take you to New York.

01:15:00.400 A decision has just been made.

01:15:02.100 And one I absolutely, positively do not understand.

01:15:06.560 And we're going to get, we need to get Andrew McCarthy or somebody on today or tomorrow to help me out with this one.

01:15:13.980 But the killer of the UnitedHealthcare CEO, let's remember who he is.

01:15:20.960 He went to New York with a gun with the intention of killing that guy.

01:15:27.180 Stu, I know we have laws.

01:15:30.660 When you have a plan to murder someone, and it's a well-thought-out plan, and then you do murder them, what is that called?

01:15:43.340 We usually call it first-degree murder.

01:15:46.840 First-degree murder.

01:15:48.640 Why?

01:15:49.960 It's the premeditation.

01:15:52.180 Premeditation, okay?

01:15:55.380 Premeditation.

01:15:56.540 Did he have premeditation?

01:15:59.500 Absolutely, without question.

01:16:01.840 Without question.

01:16:03.240 Without question.

01:16:04.400 Have you heard any piece of evidence that would make you say, well, that is kind of questionable?

01:16:09.800 No, not at all.

01:16:11.900 Not at all.

01:16:13.860 The New York, is it the Supreme Court?

01:16:15.840 The New York Supreme Court?

01:16:17.100 New York Supreme Court Justice Gregory Caro is his name.

01:16:21.100 He said the evidence presented to the grand jury does not support charges of murder in the first and second degrees under the state's terrorism statute.

01:16:30.020 Now, when I first read that, and this is why Andy McCarthy would be perfect on this, because he actually operated in this world constantly.

01:16:36.840 But, like, you know, a terrorism statute, there are certain things, and we've seen this in previous cases in New York, where the normal way we use a term is not the way the law is exactly written.

01:16:49.400 And so, to me, this is absolute, crystal clear terrorism.

01:16:55.940 This is what he was trying to do.

01:16:57.480 He was trying to create a sense, in his own words, basically, about how he wanted these executives to walk around constantly turning their heads, wondering whether they're going to get shot or not.

01:17:08.740 Right?

01:17:08.840 Like, this is the goal.

01:17:09.400 That is the textbook definition of terrorism.

01:17:13.860 By the way, Andy McCarthy just confirmed he'll be with us in 45 minutes.

01:17:17.540 Oh, perfect.

01:17:18.120 He'll explain this.

01:17:19.600 Yeah, he'll explain this.

01:17:20.640 We're going to get the answer on this one.

01:17:22.280 But that is the textbook definition of terrorism.

01:17:26.020 Murder in the first degree, the textbook definition is, I've got a plan.

01:17:31.620 I'm going to go kill this guy.

01:17:33.020 I'm bringing a gun.

01:17:34.080 I'm driving through the tunnels.

01:17:35.560 I'm going in.

01:17:36.420 I'm parking my car.

01:17:37.540 I'm waiting for him outside of his hotel to come in or come out so I can shoot him.

01:17:43.260 That's the definition of premeditated murder.

01:17:46.920 And the Charlie Kirk situation would be the same type of thing, right?

01:17:49.380 Like, both terrorism and premeditated first degree murder.

01:17:53.300 I mean, it is as.

01:17:54.360 Exactly right.

01:17:54.940 Now, again, not being an attorney in New York, it's possible that that terrorism situation has some distinct characteristic that makes this not qualify.

01:18:05.120 We'll know that from Andy very soon.

01:18:06.540 We'll do terrorism and just try him for first degree murder.

01:18:09.280 This is what they say.

01:18:10.140 I mean, this murderer, which I'm not going to say his name for many reasons, will still face trial on murder in the second degree and other related counts.

01:18:18.960 But he no longer, Glenn, faces the possibility of life in prison without parole.

01:18:25.900 Let me just tell you something.

01:18:27.760 New York, you keep going down this road.

01:18:31.280 You're going to elect mom, Donnie, and you're going to have free buses, which are going to be basically mobile homes for the homeless.

01:18:37.660 You're going to have crime that is absolutely out of control.

01:18:41.080 Your industries in New York City are absolutely going to collapse.

01:18:45.660 You keep passing these laws.

01:18:47.140 You keep doing these things with these Democrats that are far leftist in your state.

01:18:53.940 You are going to get the future you so richly deserve.

01:18:57.280 Now, when I say that, I just want to put a caveat.

01:19:00.120 When I say richly deserve, do not confuse that with being rich because there won't be any businesses that will want to do business in New York State or New York City.

01:19:11.140 So don't confuse the future that you so richly deserve with actually being rich.

01:19:17.560 You will be poor.

01:19:19.360 You will be destitute.

01:19:20.940 You will be living in an absolute hellhole.

01:19:24.800 You cannot look at, I mean, the choices between left and right, good and evil have never been more clear in my life.

01:19:34.060 In my lifetime, they've never been as clear as they are this week, just this week.

01:19:38.000 Are you celebrating the death of somebody?

01:19:40.280 Are you excusing the death of somebody?

01:19:44.200 Okay, nobody excused.

01:19:45.580 I mean, well, I'm sure there were people that excused the death of Martin Luther King, but is it anybody you'd want to be associated with?

01:19:55.000 Was there anybody that was excusing the death of JFK or RFK?

01:20:00.140 Sure there were.

01:20:01.380 Is it anybody you would want to be associated with?

01:20:04.800 Why are you doing it today?

01:20:06.900 Why are you doing it today?

01:20:07.780 You should be crystal clear on that, crystal clear.

01:20:12.320 And so much of America is not crystal clear on that.

01:20:16.240 When it comes to policing our own streets, you can disagree with what the president is doing.

01:20:22.280 Well, you actually can't because he did it legally in D.C.

01:20:25.500 And he's doing it now in Memphis because he was invited in by the governor, exactly the way the Constitution calls.

01:20:31.860 You could have argued with him if he would have gone into Chicago, and I would have been on your side, making a case both ways, but probably leaning more towards your way.

01:20:41.160 You could have to see how he did it, but he can't just bring in troops without very specific things, so he didn't do that.

01:20:48.420 But how are you arguing against policing your own streets?

01:20:51.820 How are you arguing against this guy not being tried for first-degree murder?

01:20:59.780 Sure, like Stu said, I don't know the terrorism part.

01:21:02.780 We'll find out about that.

01:21:04.320 But what kind of loophole is that?

01:21:07.520 That's insane.

01:21:09.000 If you don't start punishing people, if you don't start holding people accountable, it's only going to get much worse.

01:21:18.960 And that is simple common sense.

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01:22:42.720 More Glenn Beck, coming up next.

01:22:46.580 Welcome to the Glenn Beck program.

01:23:04.720 We are raising money for not only Erica and her children, the Kirk children, but also for TPUSA.

01:23:12.480 I so strongly believe in their mission, and what Charlie built was truly amazing, and I know some of their plans for the next election, and I know how they have gotten the youth involved, and that must go on.

01:23:25.920 If you would like to just say thank you for everything that Charlie and TPUSA have done, and you would like to help them, every dollar that is raised will go directly to Erica so she can direct it either for her children or for TPUSA.

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01:24:01.100 And I think, too, givesendgo.com slash 912project.

01:24:05.880 Yeah, Erica, I think, has really moved people in the way that she's reacted to this.

01:24:11.500 You know, my wife just keeps sending me videos of them and the family together.

01:24:15.700 She's totally distraught.

01:24:17.520 I mean, legitimately distraught on a day-to-day basis by all of this.

01:24:21.860 Understandably, it's just so shocking that this could happen in our country, and at the same time, somewhat predictable, which is why I think it's hitting us all so hard.

01:24:34.220 But I'm really glad to see that the audience is stepping up.

01:24:38.640 And it's, by the way, givesendgo.com slash 912project.

01:24:43.160 Yes.

01:24:43.840 I'm going to be in Phoenix tomorrow at TPUSA.

01:24:47.600 I'll be filling in for Charlie on the Charlie Kirk program tomorrow, and it is a real honor to sit in this chair.

01:24:56.380 It's going to be really hard.

01:24:57.320 It's going to be really hard tomorrow.

01:24:58.740 I mean, you cry over the most basic things that don't make any difference at all, let alone this.

01:25:03.400 I can't even imagine.

01:25:04.340 There's going to be, like, four words spoken on this show.

01:25:06.800 It's going to be a disaster.

01:25:08.140 I know.

01:25:08.880 I know.

01:25:09.320 His carpet's going to be just soaked in tears after you get rid of it.

01:25:14.040 Yeah.

01:25:14.080 You get done with this.

01:25:15.360 But it's a great tribute.

01:25:17.080 And I know you were close to him.

01:25:19.480 And, you know, I mentioned this the other day, but to somebody, but like, this isn't just like he's one of us as a conservative.

01:25:26.860 He's one of us as in he was an audience member of this show in high school.

01:25:31.320 Like, that is how one of the main ways he kind of came up through the movement.

01:25:35.780 And it's just so terrible to think about it.

01:25:38.320 But I'm so proud of him and everything that he accomplished.

01:25:40.740 Yeah.

01:25:41.540 He was the one, and I know there are others, but he was one of them that I was thinking of when I said, the next George Washington is in this audience.

01:25:48.720 The next president who's going to turn this around is in this audience.

01:25:52.100 He was one of them when he was very young.

01:25:54.380 All right.

01:25:55.960 Live from Phoenix, Arizona, tomorrow.

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01:28:10.540 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

01:28:11.660 I have to tell you, I am so proud of my nation.

01:28:13.740 I'm so proud of the response of people all across the country with Charlie Kirk.

01:28:19.820 I think the response has been incredible.

01:28:22.260 I showed you a poll earlier today that shows 26% of those on the left say that Charlie Kirk

01:28:27.580 in a political assassination is okay.

01:28:32.940 It's okay to kill Charlie Kirk.

01:28:35.060 About 25% of those on the left now think that the world is a better place without Charlie

01:28:40.760 Kirk.

01:28:41.120 It's insane what's happening.

01:28:42.960 But I want to talk about our side.

01:28:44.480 Our side so far has been, for the most part, very, very cool.

01:28:49.440 And there is a Jesus thing that I think is happening all over the world that is amazing

01:28:55.440 to watch the miracles that are coming.

01:28:57.600 But we have to be very, very careful that we don't fall into some sort of a Patriot Act

01:29:02.880 kind of thing.

01:29:04.000 And I want to start with a Smith-Munt story.

01:29:07.860 Okay?

01:29:08.560 This is something that happened in 1948, and it was very important.

01:29:12.400 I want to take you back to World War I, and then I'll take you to today, because Mike Lee

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01:30:43.900 Okay, I want you to just spend a couple of minutes with me and switch everything that you've been

01:30:48.060 thinking on off for a minute.

01:30:49.760 This is very important.

01:30:50.680 I want you to, I want to take you back to the world in 1948, okay?

01:30:54.520 The ashes of World War II are still warm.

01:30:57.600 The Cold War is already beginning to chill in the air.

01:31:01.700 And the Soviet Union has a propaganda machine that is in full swing.

01:31:07.000 Radio Moscow, Pravda, endless streams of anti-American stories are pouring into the homes of men and women all across the globe.

01:31:15.980 And Congress looked at this and said, we need a counterbalance on this.

01:31:20.060 America needs to tell her story to the world about liberty and about our founding ideals.

01:31:24.340 And we need to tell it to the rest of the world.

01:31:27.520 This is the birth of the Smith-Munt Act, okay?

01:31:32.420 We needed to launch things at that time like the Voice of America and Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty.

01:31:39.580 These were not just radio stations for many who were behind the Iron Curtain.

01:31:44.240 These were lifelines.

01:31:45.420 A Polish dissident in the 1970s or a Hungarian who lived through the 1956 uprising, they'll tell you they're huddled in the dark and they have that dial or that radio and they can tune it and they carefully tune it listening to an American voice break through the static and break through the darkness and says freedom is real.

01:32:07.900 And the world hasn't forgotten you.

01:32:11.140 They remember that as being very important.

01:32:14.520 But, and here is the key, we as a society drew a very bright red line.

01:32:22.720 None of this could ever be used in the United States.

01:32:27.100 Congress rightfully was terrified of unleashing a government propaganda machine on its own citizens.

01:32:34.300 Now, I want you to remember, 1948, Congress is still Democrat, okay?

01:32:39.380 You just had 20 years of the same president, FDR.

01:32:44.060 They're about to say no president can serve that long.

01:32:47.160 The Democrats said no Democrat president, no Republican president can ever serve that long because we were so close to fascism.

01:32:54.640 So, the Democrats are very concerned about the government going fascistic.

01:33:00.360 And they should know about it because they remembered the Creel Commission.

01:33:05.740 Now, let me take you back to World War I.

01:33:08.240 The Creel Commission is something that nobody remembers and everyone should.

01:33:13.440 Because it's what whipped America up into a frenzy to get us to go into World War I.

01:33:20.340 You know it because you remember the I Want You Uncle Sam poster.

01:33:26.860 And I've always hated that Uncle Sam poster because of the Creel Commission.

01:33:30.600 I love it.

01:33:31.080 I think it's really beautiful.

01:33:32.260 It was created by an artist that he didn't create it for the Creel Commission.

01:33:37.080 And so, you know, he was innocent.

01:33:39.640 But it was the Creel machine that plastered it on every wall, every post office, every train station.

01:33:46.520 And suddenly, Uncle Sam's finger was pointing at you.

01:33:51.700 It wasn't just a poster.

01:33:53.140 It was a summons.

01:33:54.400 You.

01:33:55.440 We need you to go to war.

01:33:57.860 Americans did not want to go to World War I.

01:34:00.200 In fact, Woodrow Wilson said, you know, the other side, he's going to put you into war.

01:34:04.520 I'm going to keep us out of war.

01:34:05.620 He knew that wasn't true.

01:34:07.420 Within three months after his re-election, we're at war.

01:34:11.640 But he had to bring the country along.

01:34:14.180 So the Creel Commission, through films and songs, films like The Kaiser, The Beast of Berlin,

01:34:21.160 it turned Germany into a cartoon villain.

01:34:25.800 George Cohen, he wrote songs over there, over there.

01:34:29.500 All of these things were done by the government as propaganda to get Americans to go over there and fight.

01:34:38.740 But then the government went even further, and they started hiring these what were called four-minute men.

01:34:44.700 Now, imagine this.

01:34:45.440 You're sitting in a movie theater.

01:34:47.460 The film, you know, you're watching maybe the, you know, the newsreel.

01:34:51.840 And as they're changing the reels, some guy who's just in the audience stands up, walks to the front, clears his throat,

01:34:58.620 and he delivers this really well-thought-out and rousing four-minute speech about patriotism and liberty and crushing Germany.

01:35:07.320 The government had 75,000 volunteers.

01:35:13.380 They gave millions of speeches when anybody would pause in churches and schools, in parks, in theaters.

01:35:20.000 They were called four-minute men.

01:35:21.600 This was social media before social media.

01:35:24.540 They were short bursts, and they seemingly were everywhere and always on message

01:35:30.060 because the message was crafted by the government.

01:35:33.440 Then the Creel group, through our government, published booklets, official bulletins.

01:35:40.400 They planted stories in the press.

01:35:42.580 This is when we really started really getting into the press.

01:35:46.440 And information had one goal, all of the information,

01:35:51.220 and that was rally support for the war and drown out anybody that was disagreeing with that.

01:35:59.460 The government actually encouraged kids to spy on their neighbors.

01:36:08.680 You were encouraged, and postmen did this, to go through the mail.

01:36:15.300 If they saw letters that were coming in and they wanted to know who it was

01:36:19.520 and are you a German spy, are you somebody who is going to be against the war,

01:36:24.520 postal workers went through your mail, and it was legal at the time.

01:36:28.460 You were encouraged, operators were encouraged to listen to people's phone calls

01:36:32.920 and to report if they were on the other side.

01:36:35.820 This is Germany.

01:36:36.860 In fact, because of the Creel Commission, Germans, and what's his name,

01:36:43.020 the head of the German propaganda, oh, what's his name, the German douchebag.

01:36:49.880 I can't remember his name.

01:36:50.940 Anyway, what was his name?

01:36:53.460 Goebbels, are you talking about?

01:36:54.700 Goebbels, yeah, Goebbels.

01:36:56.540 Although I like your name for him better.

01:36:58.460 Yeah, frankly.

01:36:59.260 Yeah, Goebbels the douchebag.

01:37:00.640 Anyway, he said, we lost World War I because of American propaganda,

01:37:07.760 but we learned how Americans did it, and that's what Goebbels did in World War II.

01:37:13.920 All of this propaganda, okay?

01:37:15.600 By the way, American advertising up until World War II, it was called propaganda.

01:37:22.020 What you heard, I wouldn't have said now a message from our advertiser.

01:37:26.160 I was delivering literally, and it was cool at the time, to call it propaganda because that's what it was.

01:37:32.120 Paid for propaganda.

01:37:33.320 But after Goebbels took it and did what he did with it, we were like, oh, propaganda is bad, okay?

01:37:40.400 So here's what happened because of the Creole Commission.

01:37:43.680 They were pushing uniformity of thought.

01:37:46.980 They did that by making sure that Americans were hearing the same slogans, the same images, the same stories from every direction,

01:37:54.420 which created the illusion of unanimous consent.

01:37:57.860 I want you to think about life today.

01:38:01.240 I want you to think about life during COVID.

01:38:05.400 What was the goal of the government?

01:38:08.540 To crush any dissent and to control all of the messages that were going out

01:38:14.180 to make sure that you were hearing the same slogans, the same images, the same stories from every direction

01:38:21.420 to give you the illusion that it was unanimous consent.

01:38:25.720 What about global warming?

01:38:28.900 It's exactly the same.

01:38:31.340 Then on top of it, the Creole Commission demonized dissent, okay?

01:38:37.300 German-Americans were part of this country forever.

01:38:40.780 In fact, we were, I think, two votes away from making German our official language as the United States, not English.

01:38:47.940 But they were all of a sudden branded as traitors.

01:38:50.500 You couldn't, a priest went to jail because he gave the last rites to a German who fell down in front of him on the streets

01:38:59.420 and was dying and a priest spoke German and gave him the last rites in German.

01:39:07.240 That priest went to jail, okay?

01:39:10.100 So they demonized dissent.

01:39:11.980 Then they suppressed free speech.

01:39:15.360 The propaganda campaign dovetailed with the Espionage Act of 1917, the Sedition Act of 1918.

01:39:22.000 If you criticized the draft, if you questioned the war, you could be fined, you would be ostracized, and you could go to jail.

01:39:30.160 This is Woodrow Wilson, gang.

01:39:32.000 Does any of it sound familiar?

01:39:33.820 Now, here's what the aftermath of, was after the war.

01:39:39.440 When the war ended, the mask came off.

01:39:42.300 Millions were dead.

01:39:44.500 And Americans felt absolutely duped.

01:39:47.760 They felt that they were tricked into going to a war that they were manipulated into.

01:39:53.020 They didn't even understand it.

01:39:54.440 And that's why we were such isolationists in 1920s and the 1930s, because our own government had manipulated the population to go in to fight this war.

01:40:06.560 And they felt so manipulated and so betrayed by their own government, they were like, I don't want anything to do with foreign wars, okay?

01:40:15.140 So, why did this happen in 1948?

01:40:21.440 Well, because in 1948, all of this stuff is happening, and we're saying, okay, we need to have some sort of boundary, because we're going to start all of this propaganda for the United States.

01:40:39.040 And it cannot ever be turned on the people of the United States.

01:40:44.160 Okay.

01:40:46.000 So then why, why was it repealed?

01:40:51.440 It was repealed without any really kind of conversation, because it was slipped in, called the Smith-Mount Monitornization Act.

01:41:00.760 It was slipped into a defense authorization bill.

01:41:04.460 Just like it's happening right now, the government didn't pay its bills.

01:41:09.240 They couldn't come up with a, you know, with a way to actually fund everything.

01:41:13.520 And so, we've got to act as an emergency, otherwise, all of our war machine, and it's all going to stop, and we're all going to die in panic, the world's on fire, and all of that.

01:41:23.100 And so, somebody has slipped the bill in, and we modernized it.

01:41:28.400 Why did we modernize?

01:41:30.500 Well, because don't you like transparency?

01:41:33.220 I mean, we're doing this overseas.

01:41:36.780 We're doing all this propaganda overseas.

01:41:39.580 You're the taxpayer.

01:41:40.800 You're paying for it.

01:41:41.740 Shouldn't you see it?

01:41:43.680 There was a congressman, Mac Thornberry.

01:41:46.160 He was one of the sponsors, and he said, quote,

01:41:48.600 Today, the law prevents the American people from seeing or hearing the same things we broadcast overseas, and that doesn't make any sense.

01:41:54.840 We paid for it.

01:41:55.760 Okay.

01:41:57.500 Then, they switched that from transparency to, and it's helping fight terrorism.

01:42:02.840 It'll let the Department of Defense and the State Department share counter-radicalization material, both abroad and at home, because we've got to modernize this.

01:42:13.000 The Internet is everywhere.

01:42:14.600 Okay?

01:42:15.540 So, who doesn't want to fight terrorists?

01:42:18.000 Who doesn't want transparency?

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01:43:33.340 So in 2012, the left decides we've got to get rid of this propaganda thing, okay?

01:43:48.480 Once the firewall was gone, and it was just a blip, nobody even really noticed it,

01:43:53.280 suddenly the government agencies could circulate public diplomacy campaigns inside of the United States.

01:44:01.700 And we saw this.

01:44:02.940 This is where you get your USAID, the NGOs, doing all the things here in the United States because they can now do it.

01:44:10.460 During COVID, you saw this.

01:44:13.280 You saw government-funded messaging quietly merging with the media campaigns and big tech content moderation.

01:44:20.720 Narratives weren't debated.

01:44:22.440 They were handed out by the government, and then they were enforced.

01:44:26.600 Then take the DHS Disinformation Governance Board.

01:44:30.400 This is a direct descendant from this shift, okay?

01:44:35.140 It was the government openly declaring it had a role in policing speech at home.

01:44:40.500 Look at the 2016 aftermath of the elections.

01:44:44.060 Reports now confirm that the U.S. government funds, originally intended for overseas information campaigns,

01:44:49.960 had filtered into domestic projects that fact-checked, flagged, and suppressed certain narratives online.

01:44:58.040 The line between foreign propaganda and domestic persuasion was completely gone.

01:45:03.060 Everything they worried about in 1948 was now happening after 2012.

01:45:08.180 Okay, so why am I bringing this up today?

01:45:12.100 Because after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, we have been asking for this to be reinstated.

01:45:17.320 This Smith-Munt Act has to be reinstated.

01:45:20.540 But after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, there is a new wave of enthusiasm for this, as there should be.

01:45:28.880 But some people on our side are now demanding more than just a firewall.

01:45:34.020 You go to change.org, and there's petitions for a Charlie Kirk Act.

01:45:38.300 And it will not only stop government propaganda, but it goes further than that.

01:45:42.840 It starts to punish private media, educators, social platforms, for spreading what they call false narratives.

01:45:50.120 So this is our side saying, yeah, well, now we want the power to do what they did.

01:45:56.520 Okay?

01:45:56.900 Hear me clearly.

01:45:59.240 Accountability matters.

01:46:01.520 Lives are destroyed.

01:46:03.080 Reputations are smeared.

01:46:04.580 And that matters.

01:46:06.440 But we have systems in place for that.

01:46:08.820 What this proposal opens is a new door, a door where government decides what is and isn't falsehood.

01:46:15.520 And the government cannot do that.

01:46:18.160 History teaches us once the government claims the authority to define truth, liberty is gone.

01:46:24.100 Okay?

01:46:25.720 Now enter Mike Lee.

01:46:27.680 Mike Lee has another proposal.

01:46:29.960 Mike Lee has a version that he is submitting to Congress and trying to get it passed.

01:46:33.780 And every American should be for this, right or left.

01:46:36.940 Every American should be for this.

01:46:38.820 He's not going to reinvent the wheel.

01:46:40.740 He just wants the old firewall put back.

01:46:44.260 Period.

01:46:44.780 That's it.

01:46:45.960 The government must not and cannot propagandize its own people.

01:46:52.120 Restore the very bright red line that was established in 1948.

01:46:57.000 It's not about silencing speech.

01:46:59.040 It's about preventing the most powerful institution on earth with the endless resources of that institution, the government, and the endless reach from turning its fire hose of influence in on the American people.

01:47:13.880 So, this is why it matters.

01:47:17.800 I want you to think of football.

01:47:22.500 Oh, boy.

01:47:23.260 Dangerous.

01:47:23.700 You wouldn't let the referee in a football game put on a jersey and join one of the teams.

01:47:30.240 Okay?

01:47:31.120 But that's what the repeal did.

01:47:32.820 It let the government become both the referee and the player in the arena of ideas.

01:47:38.200 Mike Lee is saying, put the stripes back on their jerseys.

01:47:43.740 Make sure they're in black and white stripes so we know exactly who they are.

01:47:49.120 Change.org and some people on our side want to make the ref not only a player but the judge, the jury, and the executioner.

01:47:56.260 It cannot happen.

01:47:58.160 This is, I'm telling you, if this goes through, Mike Lee is proposing something that is clean, doesn't have any of this in.

01:48:05.480 So, support the Mike Lee Monk Act.

01:48:09.280 But if you're hearing people talk about we have to go further, that is the Patriot Act of our day.

01:48:14.220 We are standing at a fork in the road.

01:48:17.480 Reinstating the Smith-Mundt protections, they're not going to solve all the problems of misinformation,

01:48:22.340 but it reestablishes the ground rules and it tells Washington, you cannot propagandize us.

01:48:29.660 Period.

01:48:31.520 Once truth belongs to the state, truth itself ceases to exist.

01:48:37.340 Support Mike Lee's bill.

01:48:39.700 Restore the Smith-Mundt Act.

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01:50:08.760 We have a good friend, Annie McCarthy, who is a National Review contributing editor.

01:50:31.300 He's also a former chief assistant U.S. attorney and a guy who, when he speaks, I almost always agree with him.

01:50:38.100 And when I don't, I'm probably wrong, especially when it comes to things like this, because this is his expertise.

01:50:45.320 He was a former chief assistant U.S. attorney, and he worked on terror most of his career.

01:50:53.040 I mean, he is well-versed on terror charges and how to try them.

01:50:58.660 This Luigi Mangione case, the terrorism charges have been dropped.

01:51:05.740 And Andy, if I remember right, came out with an article, I think of last year, and said, this is not going to stand.

01:51:12.080 These terrorism charges aren't going to stand.

01:51:13.820 And I don't understand why they won't.

01:51:16.180 And I also don't understand how he's now only going to be charged with second-degree murder.

01:51:22.200 When it was clear he was stalking the guy, he was, I mean, he planned on killing him.

01:51:26.900 He was waiting for him outside.

01:51:28.680 I mean, that's premeditation, which is murder one.

01:51:32.540 But I know Andy will have all the answers for us.

01:51:35.720 Can you make sense of this for us, Andy?

01:51:38.280 Yeah, I'm afraid I can, Glenn.

01:51:40.060 I think to start with the second point first about why it's murder two rather than murder one.

01:51:46.380 Back in the Pataki days, which is like the 1990s in New York when he was governor,

01:51:52.260 they tried to revise the New York capital murder statute because they haven't done a death penalty case in New York in decades.

01:52:03.000 And this was not, this ultimately was not a successful effort.

01:52:07.380 They still haven't revived the death penalty.

01:52:09.860 But what they did was they took the things that you could get the death penalty for,

01:52:14.680 which in New York were only things like killing a police officer or killing a prison guard in the prison.

01:52:21.720 And they made those the only murder in the first degree varieties of homicide.

01:52:28.780 And all other murder, well, because they were trying to clean up their idea was they were trying to clean the statute in a way that murder one would be revived as capital murder death penalty.

01:52:43.940 And all right.

01:52:45.320 And all other murder was going to be second degree murder.

01:52:48.240 So because what we're dealing with with with Mangione under New York law would not have qualified for the death penalty because that would have been very, very narrow.

01:53:00.420 And it's mainly killing police officers or prison guards that puts it into the category of second degree murder.

01:53:08.320 That doesn't mean, by the way, that it's unserious.

01:53:10.760 It has a I think the offense in New York is like 25 years to life.

01:53:18.100 So it's it's for the guy should.

01:53:20.320 I mean, you can you can argue against the death penalty, but the guy should get either the death penalty or life without parole, not 25 years.

01:53:29.840 This guy is what he's looking.

01:53:31.400 Help me out on this one.

01:53:32.600 How is he not a terrorist?

01:53:34.440 He had the intent to terrorize.

01:53:36.560 He said himself he wanted people to look over their shoulders.

01:53:39.300 I mean, he is a textbook terrorist.

01:53:44.100 And premeditation textbook.

01:53:47.220 Yeah.

01:53:48.020 To prove terrorism, you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt an intent to intimidate or coerce a civilian population.

01:53:56.760 And you have to sort of get out of the the mindset that murder is terrorizing.

01:54:03.520 I mean, all murder is terrorizing to the people who are obviously involved in it and to the extent that it intimidates people.

01:54:11.740 But we can't turn every murder into terrorism.

01:54:15.440 Correct.

01:54:15.940 Just terrorism is about.

01:54:18.960 But isn't terrorism about trying to scare the population to either vote different or change the laws to be so terrorized that they in this particular case, he was trying to send a message to the the industry.

01:54:34.100 You better watch your back because there's more of me and you'll you'll get it in the end.

01:54:39.520 That's terrorizing a group of people to get them to act in a way the terrorist wants them to act.

01:54:46.020 Yes.

01:54:46.840 But it's not terrorizing.

01:54:47.740 Is that how we define it?

01:54:48.720 It's not terrorizing the government to change policy or terrorizing the whole civilian population.

01:54:55.980 What the judge said is this was very narrowly targeted at the health care industry and this particular health care executive.

01:55:07.300 And I guess I just don't think it trivializes the murder to say that it's not a terrorism crime.

01:55:16.300 OK.

01:55:16.440 You know, the federal government, Glenn, just so you just so we're clear on this part of it, there were two charges brought here.

01:55:25.400 There's the federal charges and the state charges.

01:55:28.360 So Alvin Bragg, the New York D.A., brought the terrorism charge.

01:55:34.600 I said at the time I thought he was bringing it because he knew the Justice Department wanted to charge this guy.

01:55:41.020 So he wanted to make a splash like the Justice Department wanted to make a splash.

01:55:45.080 The Justice Department, when the Justice Department indicted it, even though Biden is against the death penalty and the Democratic administration was against the death penalty, they indicted it as a death penalty case because they wanted to make a big to do over it.

01:56:01.500 Even though, you know, if you look at the fine print, they would never impose the death penalty.

01:56:06.640 They had a moratorium on the death penalty.

01:56:09.000 So in order not to be out splashed, what Bragg turned around and did was indict this, what he would like 10 times out of 10 indict only as a murder case.

01:56:22.200 If you could get Bragg to indict something that was actually a crime.

01:56:25.320 And he decided he decided he decided to make it a terrorism murder case so that, you know, they could compete for the headlines in the press.

01:56:36.100 Unfortunately, this is kind of what happens in these in these turf battle cases.

01:56:40.780 But to your point about stalking and all that stuff, the federal charges, which are the death penalty charges, include exactly what you're talking about.

01:56:52.700 The fact that this guy was stalked, that it was done in a very cold blooded way.

01:56:59.920 And I think actually, if he gets convicted in the federal, in the federal system, now that Trump is running the Justice Department rather than Biden, if he gets convicted on the death penalty charge, he's going to get the death penalty.

01:57:16.880 Okay, so it's not like he's getting murder in the second degree and he'll be out in 25 years.

01:57:22.740 The federal government is also trying him.

01:57:27.400 Will it be the same trial?

01:57:29.920 No, no.

01:57:31.140 In fact, the interesting thing, Glenn, from just from a political standpoint, I hate having to get political in this stuff.

01:57:36.920 I know.

01:57:37.540 Me too.

01:57:37.880 Avoid it.

01:57:39.560 The Biden Justice Department was working cooperatively with Bragg.

01:57:45.880 I don't think the Trump Justice Department is going to work cooperatively with Bragg.

01:57:51.220 No.

01:57:51.440 The interesting thing about that is, under New York law, they have a very forgiving double jeopardy provision, which basically means if the feds go first, that will probably block New York State from going at all because of their expansive protection.

01:58:12.320 And I think what Biden's Justice Department was willing to let Bragg go first so that they'd go second and then everybody would have a piece of it.

01:58:22.280 Trump won't do that.

01:58:22.720 I'm not sure.

01:58:23.340 I'm not sure that Trump's guys are going to play ball like that.

01:58:26.880 OK, so are you confident that justice will be served in this?

01:58:31.540 Well, I think that, you know, look, I think if your idea is just to serve, will this guy be convicted of a severe murder charge and never see the light of day again?

01:58:46.320 I am confident in that.

01:58:47.920 Yes.

01:58:48.500 If you if you believe, as I do, that if you're going to have a death penalty in the law, which our Constitution permits, he deserves it.

01:58:58.600 If you're going to have it, he deserves it.

01:59:00.360 And if he doesn't get it, he would be, you know, he'd be among a long line of people who probably deserved it and didn't get it.

01:59:09.800 So I guess it depends on what your idea of justice is.

01:59:12.900 But I guess if we can agree that justice is this guy never sees the light of day again, I think justice will happen here.

01:59:18.980 OK, can I switch to Charlie Kirk?

01:59:21.800 How is this unfolding?

01:59:24.940 What are your thoughts on this?

01:59:26.580 What are your thoughts on, you know, I really want to make sure we don't go too far.

01:59:32.080 You know, I don't want another Patriot Act kind of thing.

01:59:35.120 But I do believe, you know, it appears as though there may have been many people involved, at least in knowing.

01:59:45.320 What does that mean to you and what should happen?

01:59:49.120 What should we be doing?

01:59:50.420 What are we doing that is right and wrong?

01:59:53.000 Well, I do think, Glenn, that this is being very aggressively investigated by both the state authorities and continuing by the federal authorities.

02:00:10.180 I heard Kash Patel, because I happened to be on television this morning and they broadcast that while I was on.

02:00:18.720 And he was talking about that, how they are going through all of the social media stuff to see who may have had an inkling about this beforehand.

02:00:26.920 And if there was any conspiratorial activity, they're going to go after it.

02:00:32.140 Now, the chats that have come out so far that that have been reported in the last couple of days are chats in which he in which Robinson admitted to committing the homicide and told the people that he was chatting with that he had already arranged his surrender.

02:00:52.220 If that's all these people knew, that is to say that he had, you know, he was and he was turning himself in.

02:01:00.420 Well, they might be good witnesses in terms of what his state of mind was at the at the trial of Robinson.

02:01:07.380 But I don't think that implicates them in criminal misconduct.

02:01:11.820 On the other hand, the feds are going to keep digging, and I assume Utah is going to keep digging.

02:01:17.680 And if they find out that somebody was involved in planning this, I think those people are going to be pursued.

02:01:27.200 You know, there's probably Texas would be a bad place to commit this crime.

02:01:32.020 Utah, however, they have the death penalty, and they use the death penalty.

02:01:37.240 And the governor, who I'm not a big fan of this governor, but boy, he has been very strong and I think right on top of this whole thing.

02:01:46.040 And he said, day one, you will get the death penalty.

02:01:49.080 We catch you.

02:01:50.060 We prove it in court of law.

02:01:51.500 You will get the death penalty.

02:01:52.760 And I think that's coming for this guy.

02:01:54.500 It should, well, it's deserving because if there's ever anything that's indicative of free meditation and repulsive intent, I would say this is a textbook case of that.

02:02:11.220 The idea that Trump is now going to go after possibly a RICO charges for people like George Soros and, you know, organizations like that that are pushing for a lot of the, you know, the Antifa kind of stuff.

02:02:31.340 Do you see any problems with that or is this a good idea?

02:02:35.500 I just think the first thing before you get into RICO and all these, you know, RICO is a very complicated statute, even when it obviously applies.

02:02:45.440 So I think the bedrock thing they have to establish is that you are crossing the line from protected speech, a lot of which can be obnoxious speech, and actual incitement to violence.

02:03:01.780 And if you can get incitement to violence, you know, I didn't need RICO to prosecute the blind shape, right?

02:03:09.400 I was able to do it on incitement to violence and that kind of stuff.

02:03:14.200 Those are less complicated charges than RICO.

02:03:17.540 But the big challenge in those cases, Glenn, is getting across the line into violent action as opposed to, you know, constitutionally protected rhetoric.

02:03:27.660 Is there anything to the subversion of our nation on, you know, that you're intentionally subverting the United States of America?

02:03:39.540 You're pushing for revolutionary acts?

02:03:43.300 You know, there's a lot of litigation that arose out of that in connection with the Cold War and the McCarran Act.

02:03:52.060 And, you know, you remember all the stuff from the from the 40s and 50s forward.

02:03:57.300 Yeah, I know.

02:03:58.000 And I think when that stuff was initially enacted, the country was in a different place.

02:04:06.240 I think when the McCarran Act was enacted, it was a consensus in the country that if someone was a member of the Communist Party,

02:04:15.100 hadn't actually done anything active to seek the violent overthrow of the U.S., but mere membership in the party.

02:04:20.660 I think if you asked that question in 1950, most people would have thought that was a crime.

02:04:25.840 And by 1980, most people would have thought it wasn't a crime based on what the Supreme Court was doing with the First Amendment.

02:04:33.480 If you're a member of the Communist Party, you can be a member of the Communist Party.

02:04:36.800 But if you are actively subverting and pushing for revolution in our country, I think that's a different cat entirely.

02:04:50.660 Yeah, that's exactly right.

02:04:52.660 But if you have that evidence of purposeful activity and look, if you have a conspiratorial agreement between two people that contemplates the use of force, you don't need much more than that.

02:05:06.080 You don't need an act of violence if you have strong enough evidence of conspiracy.

02:05:09.980 But you do have to establish that they get over that line into the use of force, at least the potential use of force.

02:05:17.360 Okay. Andy, as always, thank you so much.

02:05:19.860 Appreciate your insight.

02:05:21.200 Appreciate it.

02:05:21.780 Thank you, Glenn.

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02:07:15.700 I don't, I mean, that's going to be weird.

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The Glenn Beck Program - September 16, 2025

Why EVERYONE Should Stop Using the Term 'Hate Speech' ｜ Guest： Andrew McCarthy ｜ 9⧸16⧸25

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