The Glenn Beck Program - Will 2021 Just Be More of the Same？｜ 12⧸31⧸20

00:00:00.000 What you're about to hear is the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

00:00:06.880 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:00:12.880 Happy New Year!

00:00:14.300 Can I say that yet?

00:00:16.440 I mean, technically it's not quite New Year.

00:00:21.720 I mean, we have, well, somewhere maybe it has already.

00:00:25.360 Look, I am more than ready to get this year over with.

00:00:30.400 I'll do the next one.

00:00:32.320 But what does 2021 have in store for us?

00:00:36.020 Turns out, probably much of the same as 2020.

00:00:39.580 We'll talk about all of it.

00:00:40.840 Matter of fact, some major things you want to hear about in this slow, traditionally slow news time.

00:00:48.260 In fact, you're not hearing about them.

00:00:50.080 What happened in Georgia yesterday?

00:00:52.500 Some bombshells dropped and much more.

00:00:55.820 We'll get to all of it coming up.

00:00:57.220 Justin Barkley from WOD in Grand Rapids on Wood Radio filling in for Glenn today and the Glenn Beck Program.

00:01:02.920 So what's in store for 2021 as we knock on that door?

00:01:09.980 You know, the time is ticking.

00:01:11.680 2020 is swiftly flying out of our hands.

00:01:17.760 And a lot of folks celebrating that.

00:01:20.220 A good thing in a lot of ways.

00:01:23.600 But I don't mean to be the bearer of bad news.

00:01:25.580 I'm just saying, if you want to look forward to what is to come, you don't have to go too far.

00:01:34.000 We'll talk about some of those things that you can do to really get a grip on what is coming and, you know, maybe to shape some of it.

00:01:48.260 Meanwhile, let's go to Georgia, because one of the things we saw this last year and most recently is a complete media blackout.

00:01:56.000 Blackout.

00:01:57.500 Yeah.

00:01:59.440 It has been, especially since the election, quite something.

00:02:06.640 Not just on the usual suspects, the sources, the mainstream media outlets, the networks and the papers, etc.

00:02:13.720 But also on social media.

00:02:18.300 It's been tough to get the word out.

00:02:22.100 Oh, about election fraud.

00:02:24.740 Questions of this alleged election fraud.

00:02:28.220 In fact, yesterday, big hearing happening in Georgia.

00:02:30.960 Did you see this on the news?

00:02:32.340 Chances are you didn't.

00:02:35.020 President's attorney, Rudy Giuliani, yesterday.

00:02:36.920 There are 10 ways to demonstrate that this election was stolen, that the votes were phony, that there were a lot of them, dead people, felons, phony ballots, phony mail-in ballots.

00:02:51.540 How is it that in every single Republican county in this state, state senators ran ahead of the president by four to six percent?

00:03:01.640 Every single one.

00:03:03.020 Exactly the same.

00:03:03.960 Four to six percent.

00:03:05.380 We know the president's favorability in this state.

00:03:08.520 We know that, at least in a few of those cases, he's going to run ahead of the Republican senators.

00:03:13.980 And it just so happens, it's just in the states where they fixed the vote that that happened.

00:03:18.120 In other states, the president ran ahead of most Republican state senators.

00:03:22.900 So, I'm tired of demonstrating it.

00:03:25.460 There are so many ways of demonstrating it.

00:03:27.080 You know it.

00:03:27.980 This is a question of courage.

00:03:30.100 It's ultimately a question of courage.

00:03:31.800 Do you have the courage to stand up to the obligation the Constitution of the United States put on you to save our people from fraud, to save the reputation of the state of Georgia from, in history, certifying a phony vote that led to the wrong result in an election, which will be the verdict of history?

00:03:52.980 Or do you have the courage to put up with what's going to happen if you, in fact, change that certification and do the right thing?

00:04:01.100 The president's attorney, there's former mayor Rudy Giuliani there, letting it out.

00:04:06.540 Compelling argument.

00:04:07.620 The problem is, Americans aren't hearing it.

00:04:10.740 And even with the fact that most Americans aren't hearing it, there are a lot that stand up and say, hey, we think maybe something's a little off.

00:04:20.300 But, you know, it's interesting because you can't have that conversation.

00:04:24.360 You can't ask questions.

00:04:26.760 And social media is censoring everything.

00:04:29.040 And, in fact, that video, I still, have we heard, I think we've yet to even hear, what happened with that video where they're pulling boxes, cases, out from underneath the table after they closed things down.

00:04:47.220 That night, it was reported that a water main had broken in State Farm, and they had to get in there and repair it.

00:04:55.280 And so they sent everyone home.

00:04:56.740 You see on video them leaving.

00:04:58.540 This is security camera footage.

00:05:00.360 And then just a bit later, after all the folks have left, the observers, well, they pull these cases out from underneath the table and go to town counting these things.

00:05:10.980 We have yet to receive an explanation of what happened.

00:05:13.820 We have yet to hear from those people who were there in the room.

00:05:20.200 You know, if this was any other day and age, we'd have investigative reporters knocking on their doors, asking questions.

00:05:25.900 They'd be sitting down and they'd be answering these questions.

00:05:28.360 In fact, this Georgia Senate or the legislature, they would have these people testifying in front of them as to what happened.

00:05:37.660 Look, if there's nothing to see here, be transparent about it.

00:05:43.140 Be open about it.

00:05:44.900 But that's not what we've seen this entire time.

00:05:47.520 The absolute lack of transparency, I believe, is the evidence that something nefarious went down.

00:05:55.620 Something very wrong.

00:05:56.740 And how is that going to affect and play out coming up with the Georgia election?

00:06:03.540 In just days, we shall see.

00:06:09.100 But I got to tell you, when it comes to 2021 and what's on the horizon, more of what we've witnessed in 2020.

00:06:16.780 Unless people stand up and unless we start to see some change.

00:06:26.500 We'll talk about what some of that is and also what you may have missed yesterday.

00:06:31.460 Because there was bombshell after bombshell.

00:06:33.620 One particularly big one drop yesterday when it comes to those Dominion machines in Georgia.

00:06:41.420 That I found really fascinating.

00:06:46.780 We've heard all along that these machines, nothing to see here.

00:06:53.380 They can't connect to the Internet.

00:06:54.620 There's no issues.

00:06:55.600 There's no chance or problem to hack these machines.

00:06:58.840 But as I've said all along, there should never be even appearance of impropriety.

00:07:06.580 We can't afford that in our system.

00:07:09.400 Because if that is possible, all bets are off.

00:07:16.920 I saw a story.

00:07:20.680 I don't know.

00:07:21.720 It's a poll.

00:07:22.940 Actually, it's on the Blaze right now.

00:07:24.260 You can go over and check it out.

00:07:25.520 55% of very conservative folks who label themselves very conservative Georgia voters say they won't vote in the runoffs.

00:07:36.200 And they're going to stay home because they think it's a rigged process.

00:07:40.080 And I don't know who did the poll.

00:07:44.980 And we'll get into more of that coming up and whether it's legit or not.

00:07:48.340 But I don't blame them.

00:07:50.560 I understand.

00:07:51.840 If you're in Georgia, I get it.

00:07:53.780 If you're anywhere in this country and you voted and you're scratching your head, heck, I'm in Michigan.

00:07:58.760 We certainly have plenty of questions about what happened here.

00:08:04.440 And we have some answers, in fact, about what happened in Antrim County.

00:08:08.940 We got to look into those voting machines.

00:08:12.800 And if you know Antrim County, if you don't, it's a tiny little county up north that generally votes and swings Republican.

00:08:21.760 There were some issues this year.

00:08:25.500 And all was revealed.

00:08:28.760 Oh, and more questions than answers.

00:08:31.300 And the answers that we got were pretty shocking.

00:08:34.000 We've talked about some of this before.

00:08:35.520 And, matter of fact, when I fill in for a while back, we've had a guest on, the attorney that was a part of that lawsuit, Matt DiPerno.

00:08:42.780 We've talked to him.

00:08:43.800 Going to talk to another friend.

00:08:44.940 He's a former Michigan senator.

00:08:48.200 He was actually there at the TCF Center, the big convention center in Detroit.

00:08:53.140 You've probably seen the video and the photos where, again, for transparency purposes, in the middle of this counting, not only did they stop in the middle of the night like a handful of other states, but in the middle of the counting the next day, they decide for transparency purposes, you know, best practices.

00:09:13.420 What they were going to do was put up cardboard over the windows.

00:09:21.260 So that folks that were outside trying to get in, after they'd kicked observer after observer out, trying to get in, they wouldn't be able to see anything.

00:09:32.600 A complete lack of transparency.

00:09:35.940 So what happened in that room?

00:09:37.940 Matter of fact, he'll shed some more light on that.

00:09:39.720 Plus, what we're learning about those Dominion machines from Antrim County.

00:09:43.400 And you've heard a lot of talk about January 6th.

00:09:46.640 There's big news about that coming out of yesterday with Senator Josh Hawley.

00:09:52.080 We'll talk about that.

00:09:53.720 What could happen on January 6th?

00:09:56.860 What is in store for this country as we inch closer to 2021?

00:10:03.120 Back right after this on the Glenn Beck Program.

00:10:07.400 Welcome back in.

00:10:08.300 Justin Barkley in for Glenn Beck today on the Glenn Beck Program.

00:10:12.000 And the questions that are still unanswered for 2020, we march forward into the new year trying to get some answers.

00:10:20.340 We do have some, but a lot of questions remain.

00:10:23.240 And what I find is the smugness of some of these folks who refuse to even ask or entertain questions.

00:10:32.620 These are the journalists, and I use air quotes, that should be curious.

00:10:39.260 I am.

00:10:40.220 I'm genuinely curious.

00:10:41.820 I want to know what happened.

00:10:45.760 And it turns out we have some ideas.

00:10:50.900 Joining me right now is former Michigan Senator Pat Kolbeck.

00:10:54.520 He's the host of a podcast, Let's Fix Stuff.org.

00:10:57.180 A good friend of mine.

00:10:58.060 And, Pat, I appreciate you being here with us today.

00:10:59.760 How are you?

00:11:00.920 Oh, great.

00:11:01.900 How are you doing, Justin?

00:11:03.220 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:11:05.160 And Happy New Year, I guess I can say that.

00:11:07.260 Well, we've got a lot of ground to cover here.

00:11:10.320 But, Pat, yesterday in Georgia, I don't know if you're going to be able to hear this or not.

00:11:13.980 I'm just going to play a little bit of this audio from this bombshell that broke down about the Dominion machines being connected to the Internet.

00:11:23.760 This was broke early in the weekend last week about connected devices.

00:11:28.860 At this very moment, at a polling location in the county, not only do we now have access through the devices to the poll pad, the system, but we are in.

00:11:41.740 And it's not supposed to have Wi-Fi, and that's not supposed to be able to happen.

00:11:46.940 So we've documented now it's communicating two ways in real time, meaning it's receiving data and sending data.

00:11:53.380 Should never happen.

00:11:54.620 Shouldn't be Wi-Fi.

00:11:55.920 We've now documented it in real time so we can suck down the data.

00:11:59.240 But that's going on right there where everybody's voting.

00:12:03.580 So I've just got to stop this so that people can understand what's happening.

00:12:08.080 There was a hearing yesterday in Georgia.

00:12:11.060 And in the hearing, this man announces, as the election for the senators, the runoff, is happening in Georgia.

00:12:21.380 As it's happening, these folks are connected to a Dominion machine.

00:12:28.100 They are connected because it's connected to the Internet.

00:12:31.420 And he says, we are in.

00:12:33.480 We're seeing this happen right now in real time.

00:12:36.760 So regardless of what happened in the election back in November, we're seeing this happen right now in real time.

00:12:45.960 Why should any of us?

00:12:47.780 We saw this poll.

00:12:48.820 55% of very conservative Georgia voters say they're not going to vote in this election, which I believe is a mistake.

00:12:55.720 I think we ought to vote, regardless of whether we believe it's rigged or not.

00:12:59.940 I understand it.

00:13:01.800 55% say they're not going to.

00:13:04.760 I mean, looking at these results, Patrick, and what we're hearing, how should any of us have any faith or trust that our elections are secure?

00:13:15.600 Well, we should listen to our folks out in D.C. who told us that this is the most secure election in American history.

00:13:25.300 Right.

00:13:26.000 Krebs from.

00:13:27.280 These are the droids you're looking for.

00:13:29.820 Everything's all set.

00:13:30.860 You don't have to worry about it.

00:13:31.860 You know, I think the key point of what happened in Georgia in particular yesterday is, number one, realize that the official narrative was that there was no Internet connection with these devices.

00:13:46.240 Number two, the only way that they could demonstrate that there was an Internet connection was they got some white hat hacker to get into the system and demonstrate that there was two-way communication going on with these election devices.

00:14:02.020 Now, just for listeners who don't know what a white hat is, a white hat is a good guy that hacks ethically. 0.58

00:14:09.540 A black hat is a bad guy that hacks unethically.

00:14:12.720 We think there are a lot of black hats involved in this election.

00:14:15.880 In fact, we think a lot of those may have been representative or agents of other countries like China and Iran.

00:14:24.340 Another key point to take away is, why did it take a white hat hacker to go in and demonstrate that these machines were accessible to the Internet?

00:14:34.840 And the answer to that question is because everybody has been denied access to the electronic data all across the country, with one notable exception, and that was in Antrim County,

00:14:45.940 where Judge Kevin Elsenheimer granted access to a third-party team working with Matt DiPerno, the attorney you were mentioning earlier.

00:14:56.000 Matt would have been a rock star on this.

00:14:57.860 He got access to the data on those Antrim County servers, but the report that came out at the request of the Michigan Attorney General was redacted,

00:15:07.860 and the redactions removed some key information that, frankly, conflicted with the information conveyed by Dominion CEO John Paulus,

00:15:17.460 who was under oath testifying before a Michigan Senate Oversight Committee.

00:15:24.740 So those are kind of some three key data points.

00:15:27.580 Number one, election official narrative was that they were not connected to the Internet.

00:15:32.360 Number two, it took a white hat hacker to go off and demonstrate that that was false on the face of it.

00:15:41.360 And number three, why are we being denied access to this data in the first place?

00:15:48.140 This should be accessible to everybody to go off and look at.

00:15:52.280 Again, we're talking about transparency, and we've had about as much transparency as they had in Detroit with the cardboard over the windows in this entire thing.

00:16:00.140 Speaking of Detroit, Pat Kolbeck's with us right now.

00:16:03.600 He's a former Michigan senator here.

00:16:05.100 In fact, he was part of the Michigan Election Fraud Committee, the folks who went in, and this was years ago when you were still serving,

00:16:15.100 looking at our elections, trying to make sure they're safe and secure.

00:16:17.940 I know you were there at the TCF Center, at the Convention Center, looking at the things on that day.

00:16:24.120 Now, I want folks to know who Pat is.

00:16:26.740 He's an engineer by trade.

00:16:27.980 He worked on the space station.

00:16:30.120 He's worked with NASA.

00:16:31.000 I mean, this is not some just random guy off the street.

00:16:34.180 Although, you did notice some things that day, specifically with the connectivity of these machines.

00:16:41.000 You saw they were connected or had the ability to be.

00:16:44.380 Exactly.

00:16:45.260 And actually, a little bit more pertinent background to this topic is that I'm a certified Microsoft small business specialist,

00:16:51.940 which means I've connected my share of networks in my time.

00:16:55.800 And when I walked into the TCF Center, which is the home of the Detroit AV accounting board, I zeroed in on how these machines were connected.

00:17:04.900 Now, we weren't allowed to take photographs, and I've seen some places where they've actually been able to go off and do that.

00:17:10.560 I couldn't do that, although we did have some folks that did it.

00:17:13.640 If I would have done it, I immediately would have been kicked out of the facility, and my usefulness for the night would have been over.

00:17:19.300 But I did note and took note of the connectivity between all the different devices in that facility.

00:17:29.260 And the first thing that I noticed was that all of the tabulator machines, these tabulator workstations, were connected together via Ethernet cables to a router.

00:17:38.820 That router was, in turn, connected to another router that was connected to a series of adjudicator machines.

00:17:45.500 Now, the adjudicator machines, just for your audience, whenever the scanner can't read a ballot correctly, it dumps it into kind of a flex file, a flex bin, if you will,

00:17:55.620 that allows people to go off and change the votes as they see fit.

00:17:59.540 And you're supposed to have a Republican and a Democrat reviewing that when it happens.

00:18:03.360 But anyway, in any case, from a network perspective, the tabulators, where they were scanning the ballots, were connected to the adjudicators,

00:18:13.000 which were also connected to a local data center, if you will.

00:18:16.480 It was like the master mission control center for the whole enterprise, and there's 503 precincts in the Detroit A.V. County Board.

00:18:24.020 Pat, hang on, hang on.

00:18:25.200 I want to make sure people are able to hear this information.

00:18:27.800 And we're going to take a quick break, so we can bring it all to you.

00:18:30.180 Plus, what happens next?

00:18:31.380 Like, what do we do with this?

00:18:32.300 Some of this you may have heard before.

00:18:33.760 A lot of it's new.

00:18:35.100 But now what?

00:18:36.240 We'll talk about that.

00:18:38.480 In fact, when we come back.

00:18:39.640 Justin Barkley in for Glenn Beck today.

00:18:42.260 888-727-BECK.

00:18:44.340 You can join the program at any time.

00:18:47.100 Welcome back.

00:18:47.820 Justin Barkley in for Glenn Beck today in the Glenn Beck program.

00:18:51.180 888-727-BECK.

00:18:54.340 I'd love to hear from you if you are in Georgia.

00:18:56.120 What happened there yesterday, this video?

00:18:59.580 This was broke early in the week and last week about connected devices.

00:19:04.660 At this very moment, at a polling location in the county, not only do we now have access through the devices to the poll pad, the system, but we are in.

00:19:17.480 And it's not supposed to have Wi-Fi, and that's not supposed to be able to happen.

00:19:22.700 So we've documented now it's communicating two ways in real time, meaning it's receiving data and sending data.

00:19:29.140 Should never happen.

00:19:30.380 Shouldn't be Wi-Fi.

00:19:31.800 We've now documented it in real time so we can suck down the data.

00:19:35.060 But that's going on right there where everybody's voting.

00:19:39.300 And I just wanted to get it into the record.

00:19:40.960 It's happening.

00:19:42.060 In other words, it's happening now.

00:19:44.860 Former Michigan State Senator Patrick Kolbeck joins me.

00:19:47.960 He was there in Detroit where they put the cardboard over the windows.

00:19:52.120 He noticed that the machines looked like they might have been connected to the Internet.

00:19:56.540 They certainly had the capability.

00:19:58.900 He's got that background in engineering and not just some guy off the street, but he saw this and raised alarms about it.

00:20:06.760 In fact, he's dug into the reports of Antrim County.

00:20:10.700 What did you guys see when you spoke with Mr. Ramson about what happened there in Antrim County specifically?

00:20:19.880 Well, in Antrim County, what they found was an amazing error rate.

00:20:23.460 We were talking about punting data from the tabulator scanners, and when they couldn't read it, it would dump it to an adjudicator, right?

00:20:30.420 Well, in Antrim County, what they found out was there was an error rate of around 68 percent where they couldn't read these scans, and they'd dump it to an adjudicator.

00:20:39.040 Now, that's supposed to be the exception, not the rule.

00:20:43.140 Most of the time, this is well below 1 percent that any of this stuff should be transferred over an adjudicator.

00:20:49.620 And what happens with an adjudicator is essentially that's what tees it up for a man in the middle where you can actually go off and adjust what the vote was.

00:20:57.400 And that's what happened in Antrim County.

00:20:58.980 And for those of your listeners who don't recall what happened, but if it wasn't for the alert attention of a regular old citizen, Bill Bailey, who highlighted that Antrim County doesn't build blue, he said something's not right here when they saw there was like 6,000 votes slipped.

00:21:16.880 All right?

00:21:17.200 And this is how it's done.

00:21:18.980 It's done by putting them into this flex pool called the adjudication pool.

00:21:22.520 And that's what they identified in Antrim County.

00:21:24.560 They also identified that the ranked choice voting algorithm was enabled.

00:21:29.160 And John Polis, the CEO of Dominion, denied that that was – he denied under oath before a Michigan Senate committee that that was the case.

00:21:37.080 But the ranked choice voting algorithm, for those of your listeners who don't know, is what enables fractional voting, i.e. decimal points in your votes.

00:21:45.480 So my vote may be worth 1.2, and your vote may be worth 0.8, depending on who I vote for.

00:21:52.680 That's what happens with this.

00:21:54.280 And so those were kind of the two key things that we identified coming out of Antrim County.

00:21:59.300 Yeah, and you see this happening in Georgia as well.

00:22:05.020 They just revealed last night there were flips in Georgia in certain counties they saw mathematically.

00:22:10.780 The charts – some of the Trump votes went negative at some point.

00:22:14.320 Very strange.

00:22:15.320 None of this is being examined or looked at or even given the time of day by any of the broadcast networks, any of the mainstream sources.

00:22:24.580 Well, they're the ones casting the negative votes for Trump.

00:22:30.060 So, Pat, I've got to ask you, big news yesterday.

00:22:33.020 I mean, this was a bombshell that kind of made its way out.

00:22:36.620 But also, Senator Hawley comes out, Josh Hawley comes out and says, you know, I'm going to stand up on the 6th and object to this certification, the Electoral College.

00:22:51.980 So, tell us what he says and what does that mean in this whole process as it comes down?

00:22:59.540 Well, this is important because on January 6th, when Vice President Pence opens up all the envelopes from the states with the Electoral College votes,

00:23:07.820 there's an opportunity for House members and Senate members to object to the votes that were cast.

00:23:15.160 And we've got a lot of House members that have been very outspoken on it.

00:23:19.900 And I remember Congressman Mo Brooks in particular has been very outspoken on this topic.

00:23:24.940 But we hadn't had any senators until Senator Hawley from Missouri, which coincidentally is a show-me state, stood up and said, no, I'm in on this.

00:23:36.100 And I'm hoping that some other senators, like Senator Rand Paul and Senator Ted Cruz, are going to step in.

00:23:41.840 I know Senator Ron Johnson's expressed sentiments along those lines.

00:23:45.140 It's a case where the more the merrier.

00:23:46.780 If you're just singled out, what happens in caucus discussions, it gets kind of ugly.

00:23:51.800 You don't want to be the only one stating a particular opinion.

00:23:55.040 So it would be good for him to have safety in numbers, and I don't understand why every single member of the Republican Senate caucus is not standing with Josh.

00:24:06.320 If this happens, and I know it's only part of the process, what are the chances that the next steps are taken?

00:24:17.400 And what's the likelihood, and maybe follow us down that road of what that looks like and possibility of outcome.

00:24:26.300 Okay, well, if you get one House member and one Senate member objecting to a particular vote, it goes back to a nice little huddle in the House and a huddle in the Senate.

00:24:39.300 And they'll come back and say, hey, do we accept them or do we reject them?

00:24:42.480 And if they reject them, then those votes, or if both of those chambers don't accept them, those votes don't go into the tally for the Electoral College votes.

00:24:52.060 And if you don't get to a majority number, you don't get to the 270 mark inside when all the Electoral College votes are cast, then it goes to invoke the 12th Amendment.

00:25:04.020 And 12th Amendment, what happens is that the U.S. House decides who the next president is.

00:25:10.760 And before everybody panics and says, wait, don't we have Speaker Pelosi in there right now?

00:25:15.140 Yeah, explain that process.

00:25:17.100 Right. It's actually not cast by all 435 members of the U.S. House.

00:25:25.560 What happens is that each state gets one vote, and that's based on their delegation.

00:25:31.340 So if you have a majority of Republicans in your delegation, then you have control of that particular state's vote.

00:25:37.560 And what happens when you actually look at the layout of the U.S. Congress, there are 26 states with Republican-controlled delegations and 24 with Democrats.

00:25:48.860 So in that context, President Trump would get another four years as president if all those delegations voted to along party lines.

00:25:58.300 So we'll see what happens.

00:25:59.680 A couple of questions about this. Former Michigan State Senator Pat Kohlbeck joining us right now to talk a little bit about this.

00:26:04.780 But in Michigan, what are the odds of that happening here?

00:26:10.900 Are we lined up to go that way or no?

00:26:14.880 I don't have a lot of faith in our Michigan.

00:26:18.180 That's why I asked.

00:26:19.140 No, but it doesn't matter, because these can be from other states that say, we don't have confidence in the folks in Michigan.

00:26:27.540 So it doesn't have to be the Michigan delegation to say, hey, we don't trust our votes.

00:26:32.460 And frankly, they could have done that already at the state level and said, hey, you know, we're going to go off and reassign the electors

00:26:39.240 because we don't trust the election results.

00:26:40.740 But our state legislature did not do that.

00:26:43.120 Why not?

00:26:45.860 Have they not heard from enough people?

00:26:47.700 But they took action.

00:26:49.660 Now, what they've been doing is just going through the motions.

00:26:52.200 You know, they actually, I highlighted at the beginning of the segment that one of the key problems we've been having is getting access to the electronic data.

00:27:00.360 It's taken an act of God to get it from Antrim County.

00:27:03.400 So the legislature, and this is how it works, they went off and actually subpoenaed that electronic data.

00:27:09.600 But guess when they put the deadline for when they get that data back?

00:27:13.440 They submitted this as subpoena on December 15th.

00:27:16.360 They said, hey, can you get that data to us from Detroit electronic election data?

00:27:21.540 Can you get all that electronic data to us by January 12th?

00:27:26.320 Well, the meeting we were just discussing takes place on January 6th, right?

00:27:31.180 That's the milestone.

00:27:32.820 So January 12th.

00:27:34.000 Thank you, guys.

00:27:34.640 So, oops, you know, we made a mistake here.

00:27:36.800 Sorry.

00:27:37.200 Don't rush.

00:27:37.520 We shouldn't have gone.

00:27:38.500 Yeah.

00:27:39.360 No, we don't.

00:27:40.260 It's not an emergency.

00:27:41.220 We don't need this.

00:27:41.940 Matter of fact, meanwhile, we've been in an emergency here to lock down this entire year, almost.

00:27:48.580 And the question of what really constitutes an emergency has been something else that we've been talking about, not just in this state, but all across the country.

00:27:54.820 All right.

00:27:55.760 Before I let you go, on the 6th, I know folks are going to D.C.

00:28:00.160 You're going to be in Lansing at the state capitol.

00:28:03.340 What do people do?

00:28:04.820 I mean, I really, you know, because we've talked about this quite a bit.

00:28:10.300 I don't want to beat a dead horse because I know folks are, we're balanced.

00:28:15.160 We're kind of on this line right now.

00:28:16.600 55% of very conservative folks in Georgia said they're not voting.

00:28:19.780 I mean, people are either going to be just completely, like, tuning this out and saying, look, I've heard all this.

00:28:27.640 I'm done.

00:28:28.420 I'm out.

00:28:29.040 You know?

00:28:29.840 Or they're going to step up and say, look, I don't know what the next step is, but I'm just going to try and do the next right thing here.

00:28:37.060 And what is that for people?

00:28:40.260 Well, people need to realize that we're in a battle for the future of America and, frankly, the future of the free world.

00:28:46.060 And so if you tune out and say, I'm done, you just lost the battle.

00:28:50.860 There are people that are trying in the media.

00:28:54.460 There are people that are deliberately trying to get that reaction from you.

00:28:58.320 It's a PSYOP campaign, psychological operations in the military, where they actually try to get rid of the will to fight by the enemy.

00:29:07.060 And that's exactly what they're doing right now.

00:29:09.080 When they say that Joe Biden is the president-elect, just deal with it.

00:29:12.540 That's what they're saying.

00:29:13.540 And that's why every day I start off on my social media feed saying Joe Biden is not the president-elect.

00:29:18.880 You can't succumb to that PSYOP.

00:29:21.560 You can't lose the battle that way.

00:29:23.820 We've got to go out there and demonstrate on January 6th that we support the president.

00:29:28.700 We support free and fair elections in America because this is much bigger than the 2020 election.

00:29:34.360 This is about the 2022 election, the 2024 election.

00:29:37.880 Ongoing.

00:29:38.520 If we don't have faith in our election, we can't have faith in our country.

00:29:41.160 Pat, I know people will say, like, you just want Trump to win.

00:29:44.560 You're trying to overturn this thing.

00:29:45.820 But you actually have an interesting record going back to 2016 here in the state of Michigan.

00:29:50.280 Absolutely.

00:29:51.120 Back when Jill Stein went off and did a call for a recount in Michigan, for all the people that say, hey, you wouldn't be pushing this election integrity thing so much if Donald Trump had won.

00:30:01.600 Well, no, unfortunately for them, that's exactly what I did back in 2016.

00:30:07.000 I called on our Michigan attorney general and secretary of state to do an investigation in the wake of the 2016 election to go off and see what was going on, in particular, in the city of Detroit, where they had at least one instance where we discovered that there were 306 votes on a poll book.

00:30:27.000 But when you actually looked in the machine, there was only 50 ballots.

00:30:31.100 So did somebody find a ballot that they liked and just run it through a few times?

00:30:34.920 So there are games that were being played back then.

00:30:39.000 The investigation revealed 31 counts of voter fraud in 34 jurisdictions that did not comply with data requests.

00:30:45.100 So there was already smoke back in 2016, 2017 time frame.

00:30:49.400 And regrettably, nothing was done about it.

00:30:51.580 Congratulations, by the way, former Michigan State Senator Pat Colbeck, recovering from this COVID-19, the coronavirus.

00:31:00.820 I know you talked a little bit about that, but you've got some interesting information up on your website, letsfixstuff.org.

00:31:09.120 Just briefly, we've only got 30 seconds left with you.

00:31:11.740 Tell us what you did and what worked for you.

00:31:14.500 Well, I wasn't feeling too good for a few days right after Mayor Giuliani came in and testified before our Michigan house.

00:31:21.560 And that's when I think I picked up the bug.

00:31:23.700 But so a couple of rough days there, I finally went off.

00:31:26.820 Once I started getting respiratory issues, I got tested.

00:31:29.380 And literally, once I tested positive, I sought treatment and all the cocktails that everybody's trying to discourage here in the state of Michigan, featuring hydroxychloroquine, Z-Pak, and zinc with a little bit of steroids thrown in.

00:31:47.580 And I took that treatment that are being actively discouraged by despots like our Governor Whitmer here in Michigan.

00:31:54.280 And within five hours, I was feeling pretty much 100 percent, except for some lingering respiratory issues.

00:32:00.220 So we shouldn't fear COVID.

00:32:02.620 We should fear the government response to COVID.

00:32:06.320 Former Senator here in Michigan, the state, we appreciate you being here.

00:32:10.700 Patrick Colbeck, you can check him out, letsfixstuff.org.

00:32:13.740 Always a pleasure, my friend, and Happy New Year to you.

00:32:16.560 Great to be with you, Justin.

00:32:17.760 Happy New Year.

00:32:19.080 We appreciate you.

00:32:19.960 Yeah, you can go on over and check his stuff out.

00:32:22.140 By the way, it's people like that.

00:32:23.720 And it's obviously people like the Blaze.

00:32:26.100 You think about who can you trust, where can you get your information.

00:32:28.760 It's people like that.

00:32:29.480 It's people like the Blaze, where you continue to get the information, the stories that matter.

00:32:33.660 Matter of fact, I got a good newsletter as well.

00:32:36.720 You can go on over and get signed up for mine.

00:32:38.820 Justin Barclay, B-A-R-C-L-A-Y, justinbarclay.com, slash good news.

00:32:43.460 Here are the stuff that they're not telling you.

00:32:45.760 The things that they're hiding from you.

00:32:49.500 I believe there's a lot more good happening in the world.

00:32:51.840 Matter of fact, we'll talk about that coming up here in a little bit.

00:32:54.100 And some more, well, what you can do.

00:32:57.140 What happens next as we close the door on 2020 and move forward into the new year.

00:33:03.820 Back right after this, Justin Barclay filling in for Glenn today on the Glenn Beck program.

00:33:07.740 Yeah, I don't know about you, but this is important.

00:33:12.040 This matters because the future of our country, and we say that, I think it sounds too grand.

00:33:18.200 Maybe it sounds too broad.

00:33:22.700 We say the future of our country depends on it.

00:33:24.720 But let me break it down, because after all, who is the country?

00:33:31.580 It's my daughter, who was just born on the 6th of December, who's fighting right now, like a little warrior.

00:33:38.420 This little baby girl, she's just 3 pounds, was born 2 pounds, 6 ounces.

00:33:44.040 She's fighting.

00:33:44.800 She's got the fight in her.

00:33:45.820 And I know some of us have lost that fight.

00:33:48.420 We've been beaten down.

00:33:49.600 But when I say, or when you hear, the future of our country depends on it, and if not the world, it's your kids.

00:34:00.680 It's mine.

00:34:01.820 It's your grandkids who we're fighting for.

00:34:05.640 Fighting for the truth, a return to honesty, a return to what America is all about.

00:34:12.760 We continue that fight.

00:34:15.160 Find me on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, wherever you are on social media.

00:34:20.120 Including the new ones, right?

00:34:21.200 At Mr. Justin Barclay.

00:34:23.460 And for Limbeck today, we continue that fight after this.

00:34:28.980 Happy New Year, America.

00:34:30.260 It's Justin Barclay from WOD Wood Radio in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

00:34:36.140 Today in the last show.

00:34:39.980 Counting down the last few hours here in this year, 2020.

00:34:45.160 Coming up this hour, though, some great conversations.

00:34:50.600 Is public health being weaponized?

00:34:53.200 Vera Sharov is a Holocaust survivor.

00:34:55.620 We're a champion for human rights.

00:34:57.340 An expert on biomedical research ethics.

00:35:00.200 And coming up, she sees some eerie parallels to what's happening now.

00:35:05.160 In this pandemic, we'll talk to her and a man who witnessed a miracle.

00:35:09.780 He was in that bombing in Nashville.

00:35:13.140 And what happened to him is nothing short of a miracle.

00:35:17.140 We'll talk about that coming up in just minutes today on the Glenn Beck Program.

00:35:21.020 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:35:30.240 She's a Holocaust survivor who is witnessing some eerie parallels to what we're seeing play out right now during this last year of the pandemic.

00:35:40.380 Vera Sharov has a lot to say, in fact, about what is happening here in America, if not the world.

00:35:50.060 When medicine veers away from the Hippocratic oath that promises to respect the individual right, to do no harm to the individual,

00:36:02.360 then you're going to harm the community as well, because the community is a bunch of individuals.

00:36:09.440 There are crossroads in life where you have to make choices.

00:36:13.320 And if you don't, someone who will make the choice for you is not going to make it for your best interest.

00:36:21.440 The idea of just following authority without considering, what if they're wrong?

00:36:30.820 What if it's not in my best interest?

00:36:35.060 I wouldn't want to live under such a regime.

00:36:37.760 I know what it's like.

00:36:39.320 I know what that is.

00:36:40.560 I don't want, I would not do it again.

00:36:43.140 Vera Sharov, thank you so much for being here with us today, Vera, and taking the time.

00:36:47.500 I know this is something that's a passion close to your heart.

00:36:51.220 A project, obviously, is the founder and president of AHRP, the Alliance of Human Research Protection.

00:36:57.480 Is public health being weaponized?

00:36:59.300 Yeah, so tell us.

00:37:00.320 I mean, I can't imagine everything that you've seen and what you've gone through.

00:37:03.780 And I believe we have to learn from our past.

00:37:07.180 What are you seeing the parallels?

00:37:09.120 And what do we need to keep in mind here?

00:37:11.620 Your call to all Americans and folks throughout the world right now?

00:37:16.140 Essentially, not to blindly listen to authority.

00:37:20.220 This is really, it's so against what America was about.

00:37:24.840 America, unlike other countries, guarantees to its citizens rights, individual rights, the right to religion, to speech, to assembly, and all of these things are being wiped away by would-be dictators.

00:37:45.180 I mean, in the United States, you have different governors.

00:37:49.740 I mean, I'm in New York.

00:37:52.400 Well, I've got Governor Cuomo who, well, guess what?

00:37:56.460 He just had one of his restrictions on religious services knocked out by the court just now on Monday.

00:38:06.180 I mean, the courts are about the only institution left where they take seriously those rights that are in the Bill of Rights in the Constitution.

00:38:19.960 And I think that people need to understand that it's really up to us.

00:38:25.520 If we don't insist on our rights, they will be taken away from us.

00:38:31.060 And we can see that with this so-called pandemic.

00:38:36.260 I know a lot of folks who have even asked questions throughout this entire process.

00:38:39.720 I mean, well-meaning and well-intentioned individuals who are just trying to understand what's happening.

00:38:46.780 You know, first it's masks.

00:38:48.220 And, you know, I wear a mask.

00:38:50.580 I visit my daughter in the Children's Hospital.

00:38:52.580 She was born on the 6th.

00:38:54.160 She's only three pounds now. 1.00

00:38:55.360 She was born three months early.

00:38:56.720 I have to wear a mask when I go into the hospital.

00:38:58.700 I don't – that's not something that I have a problem with.

00:39:02.360 I'm not fighting that.

00:39:04.160 But what I am fighting is for the ability for people to make their own decisions when it comes to their health.

00:39:09.860 And I think that's what I hear you saying, too.

00:39:12.880 Yes, and I want to bring up the fact that what made the Holocaust and the Nazi regime unique 0.93

00:39:25.660 was its use of public health and the medical profession to implement.

00:39:34.700 They both designed some of the horrors, conducted them, gave the orders.

00:39:40.900 They made the selections at every step.

00:39:46.380 And it is very, very upsetting to see that, again, public health is being used as a weapon

00:39:56.980 to force people to do things without asking questions.

00:40:05.180 I know we're looking at this vaccination, these inoculations in the coming days,

00:40:13.820 but there are questions about the vaccine and the fact that you would ask questions,

00:40:17.420 it kind of automatically puts you in a strange category.

00:40:21.620 But shouldn't we ask about the effectiveness of this vaccine?

00:40:27.860 Maybe the side effects as well?

00:40:29.680 We're hearing some stories that are concerning.

00:40:31.500 Well, it's more than stories, yeah.

00:40:34.780 I mean, of course we should be asking.

00:40:37.020 We should have been given information before, before the vaccination project, really.

00:40:46.380 These vaccines follow, you know, we've had two other pandemics before this,

00:40:53.360 in 1976 and in 2009.

00:40:59.640 At that time, they were swine flu.

00:41:03.720 Okay?

00:41:04.320 In 76, and in each case, what happened was that the government,

00:41:10.040 in partnership with pharmaceutical companies, quickly came up with the vaccine,

00:41:16.200 and those vaccines caused irreparable damage.

00:41:22.260 Okay?

00:41:23.040 The 76 vaccine caused Guilaine Barry, which is a rapid destruction of muscles.

00:41:35.800 And then in 2009, it caused necrolepsy in 1,300 mostly adolescents.

00:41:43.060 What that should teach us is you don't test something like a vaccine that goes into your body rapidly,

00:41:55.120 skipping safety studies, and it takes time to elicit, to find out what the most serious adverse effect could be.

00:42:05.420 And instead, unleash this on millions of people.

00:42:10.500 And, of course, this vaccine isn't even really a vaccine.

00:42:14.680 It's using technology that manipulates genes in a way that has never, ever been done before.

00:42:25.420 No other vaccine or drug or anything has been brought to market using this technology.

00:42:36.120 So, why should we blindly just trust it and have everybody exposed before we even know what it might do?

00:42:45.720 Vera Sharab is here with us.

00:42:48.580 She's the founder and president of AHRP, the Alliance of Human Research Protection.

00:42:52.500 And, Vera, we've got to take a quick pause here.

00:42:55.860 But coming up, I want to talk about why this is so important.

00:42:58.140 One of the things we're starting to see is this idea of vaccination papers.

00:43:01.280 You've got to have your papers.

00:43:03.640 In fact, it's now moving into an electronic phase.

00:43:07.620 Vera's a Holocaust survivor.

00:43:08.920 She's seen this play out before.

00:43:10.540 What does it look like?

00:43:11.340 What did she see in her experience, and where are we headed as a country, as a nation, and the world?

00:43:18.180 Back with Vera.

00:43:19.600 In for Glenn Beck today in the Glenn Beck program.

00:43:21.420 Justin Barkley, right after this.

00:43:24.460 She survived the Holocaust, and she's seeing some very parallels to what's happening now.

00:43:28.980 Vera Sharab is with us.

00:43:30.160 The founder and president of AHRP.org.

00:43:35.380 Biomedical research ethics, I mean, human rights, you've been involved in this process for a long time.

00:43:40.600 And now we're starting to hear, maybe the government won't force us to get this vaccine, although there's still question about that.

00:43:48.860 However, corporations might, in fact, make it mandatory that you have this vaccine, or you can't go to a visit a business.

00:43:58.000 You can't go to a concert.

00:43:59.360 You won't be able to fly.

00:44:00.920 What should we be concerned with there, Vera?

00:44:02.800 It's ironic, isn't it, that Americans have, for decades, resisted the idea of an identity card, which was common in Europe.

00:44:16.000 Excuse me.

00:44:16.820 And now, it's not just an identity card.

00:44:22.200 Now they're planning, essentially, to have on one card everything, your health record, your vaccination record, your bank account, you name it.

00:44:34.420 Your life, essentially, all the things that you need to use in daily life will be all in one, and soon it's going to be a chip, not even something you have to carry, but that'll be embedded in you.

00:44:47.400 Well, I think people need to rebel.

00:44:50.620 I think people need to say, hey, you're going far too, far too extreme as a government.

00:44:59.580 We never really voted for any of this.

00:45:04.400 What have you seen in your time, and specifically in those instances during the Holocaust, that this is leading us down a road that we really need to think about?

00:45:19.080 Well, one of the things that I learned later, I was a child, remember, I was a little child, was that the IBM punch card system, the censorship that was done in Germany, Austria, everywhere, really,

00:45:39.220 that facilitated the roundup, the identification, the eventually extermination of the Jews of Europe, okay?

00:45:54.580 And as I said, doctors were involved right in the front lines.

00:46:01.540 Actually, originally, the first victims were young German babies and children under three, children who had some abnormality.

00:46:21.020 They were identified by midwives, by doctors, preschools, which sent reports to the government, and then doctors selected those children that they deemed to be not worthy of life.

00:46:44.320 And the children were taken away from their parents.

00:46:50.460 The parents were deceived.

00:46:52.200 They were told that the children would get special treatment.

00:46:57.220 That special treatment was later known as the program T4.

00:47:02.000 However, the children were killed, they were murdered, either by lethal injection, and some were even subjected to starvation diets so that the doctors could document how long it would take for a child to survive without nutrition.

00:47:29.240 Vera, Vera, this isn't that far off, though.

00:47:32.300 I mean, we think about this Holocaust and how long ago this Nazi Germany and these things were, and it may be a different world, but in fact, these types of experiments and things have happened on American citizens.

00:47:44.460 Absolutely.

00:47:45.940 And, you know, most people don't know about these things, and some don't want to know.

00:47:55.180 But I think it's very important that we know exactly the fact that, you know, governments, if they're not being watched, if they're not being watched, that they only rule in areas that they're supposed to, not where they're not supposed to.

00:48:15.800 But then, yes, horrors will happen.

00:48:20.420 The dark is the best way for horrors to happen.

00:48:23.900 And right now, we, the people, are being kept mostly in the dark, and any scientists or doctors or any of us speaking about these things are being censored all over the Internet, and, of course, the mainstream media doesn't allow any such voice.

00:48:48.980 That's, you know, that's exactly how dictatorships work.

00:48:55.320 That's how the Nazis kept the German people in the dark.

00:48:59.340 Look, most, most German people did not commit the crimes, but they stood by and did nothing. 0.91

00:49:07.720 What do you say to people, Vera, as someone who survived the Holocaust and your background here, with speaking out, who say, you know, I'm afraid I'm going to end up on a list?

00:49:18.360 I think you and I might already be on one, but I'm afraid I'm going to end up on a list.

00:49:23.340 I just want to go along.

00:49:25.740 I mean, people are really facing decisions.

00:49:27.720 They really, you know, fear is the way that the Nazis did it, that the Soviets did it, that the Chinese did it. 0.88

00:49:36.980 They all operate on that same formula.

00:49:40.580 You keep the people in dread and great fear, whether it was, you know, it used to be about war, the enemies coming.

00:49:50.080 Now we have a situation where our government is pointing, you know, the gun essentially at us, as if we were the enemy.

00:49:59.400 Now, one of the aspects of this vaccination is that under Operation Warp Speed, there's going to be tracking, and the tracking is going to be done by the military, technology companies, and intelligence agencies.

00:50:29.400 Now, why?

00:50:30.880 This is like as if we were, you know, an enemy country.

00:50:38.760 I know folks are going to have to make decisions here in the coming days.

00:50:42.480 Absolutely.

00:50:44.080 They really will have to make decisions.

00:50:45.940 Go ahead.

00:50:46.740 Why we're talking about this now is that so you can have these conversations early.

00:50:51.660 You don't want to wait to the last minute to have to make that decision.

00:50:54.900 This is something that you want to hear about now so that you can have a conversation.

00:51:00.840 You know, one of the things is that informed consent, you know, that's really the holy grail.

00:51:06.920 And informed consent was mandated by the Nuremberg Code, the Nuremberg trials of the doctors, of the Nazi doctors, in their decision, in that trial, they handed down the Nuremberg Code, which is ten items like the Ten Commandments.

00:51:30.780 But the first and foremost is the voluntary, informed consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.

00:51:38.760 And that's the cornerstone.

00:51:43.660 And informed consent means disclosure of the potential and known risks.

00:51:50.720 We are calling for transparency throughout this entire process, this whole year, and in so many different ways.

00:51:59.460 That's the only way you can have informed consent is if there is transparency and if the folks, the populace, can actually be informed.

00:52:07.140 I know you've got resources at your website.

00:52:09.500 I want to give you a chance, ahrp.org.

00:52:12.020 We'll make sure that folks can go over there.

00:52:13.580 But Vera, I want to thank you for your courage to stand up, to speak out, to use your experiences as a gift for everyone else.

00:52:23.420 Because if you're not doing this, then who else will?

00:52:26.460 Well, it's exactly why I'm doing it.

00:52:28.220 I couldn't possibly keep quiet because when I came out of the hell that I was in, I sort of asked, where was everybody?

00:52:37.700 Where was everybody?

00:52:38.940 Why did they allow this to happen?

00:52:40.600 And now it is, yeah.

00:52:45.920 Vera, Vera Sharab, the president and founder of Alliance of Human Research Protection.

00:52:51.620 Thank you for being here with us today.

00:52:52.960 God bless.

00:52:54.140 Thank you.

00:52:54.580 Coming up, a little bit of hope as we continue, even in these dark days.

00:52:59.060 He survived that Nashville bombing.

00:53:01.580 His family was right in the middle of it.

00:53:04.160 The miracle that he witnessed with his own eyes after this.

00:53:07.540 Justin Barkley in for Glenn Beck today on the Glenn Beck program.

00:53:11.140 Justin at JustinBarkley.com.

00:53:12.720 You can reach us, too, at 888-727-BECK.

00:53:15.700 That's 888-727-BECK. 0.81

00:53:18.960 And I just had a brief conversation off the air with Vera.

00:53:22.700 If you didn't get a chance to listen, you want to go back and listen to her in the podcast.

00:53:27.960 Go to Glenn Beck.com and you'll be able to pull that up and listen to her.

00:53:31.360 But she is the president and founder of AHRP, the Alliance of Human Research Protection and a Holocaust survivor.

00:53:41.740 And she said to me, I can't imagine.

00:53:44.820 She said, this is very hard to talk about the horrors of what we went through, what we've experienced is happening again.

00:53:58.780 And to have to stand up and to fight this happening again in a world and in a place where she never dreamed in a million years.

00:54:07.560 It would come to America. 0.99

00:54:11.580 It is a it's a conversation that I think a lot of folks need to hear.

00:54:18.060 Go check that out in the podcast there at Glenn Beck.com later.

00:54:24.100 Well, from dark times.

00:54:28.380 To some light and there is hope.

00:54:31.000 As Vera speaks up and stands out, it's her hope that you will hear her message.

00:54:37.560 And speak up and stand out, too.

00:54:40.880 It's not all bad news.

00:54:42.760 Even in the midst of some of the most.

00:54:47.540 Trying times that we've experienced over this last year, even in the midst of the chaos, there are good things happening.

00:54:53.460 And as one man in his family.

00:54:57.980 Spent Christmas Day in Nashville.

00:54:59.500 Outside of the building where they stayed in Airbnb, this message was playing early that morning.

00:55:07.980 That this area must be evacuated now.

00:55:13.300 That this area must be evacuated now.

00:55:18.140 That this area must be evacuated now.

00:55:22.820 And you can hear this message.

00:55:26.040 We evacuate now.

00:55:28.180 If you can hear this message.

00:55:31.640 We evacuate now.

00:55:33.040 And then the explosion occurred that we all woke up to on Christmas morning.

00:55:40.680 Our next guest, as I said, was there with his family.

00:55:43.340 Buddy Ganey joins us right now.

00:55:45.920 Buddy, I read, Buddy's actually a friend of mine on Facebook.

00:55:49.540 He lives here in West Michigan where I'm from, and I saw his post on Facebook,

00:55:54.620 and my jaw just dropped as I read through it.

00:55:58.080 Buddy, you went down to visit in Nashville,

00:56:01.380 thought you'd spend some time there in Airbnb,

00:56:03.680 and you were right on that street, just steps away from where this bomb went off.

00:56:09.980 Yeah, our daughter, Kamen, lives in Nashville.

00:56:13.180 She moved there about four months ago.

00:56:14.900 So my wife, Michelle, and my daughter, Quincy,

00:56:17.320 and I decided to fly down and spend Christmas with her.

00:56:20.700 And she has an apartment with three other girls,

00:56:23.120 so we needed to find a place to stay.

00:56:25.000 And my wife found this Airbnb at 178 2nd Avenue.

00:56:31.380 So, I mean, you're just a couple of doors away from where it went off.

00:56:36.540 That's incredible.

00:56:38.020 Now, you described the Airbnb in your post.

00:56:42.120 You said you were a little bit disappointed at first that when you got inside,

00:56:47.220 there were no exterior windows?

00:56:49.180 Yeah.

00:56:52.620 On the way down at the airport,

00:56:54.900 I was just reading some of the finer print that we must have missed,

00:56:58.100 and this condo was actually an interior condo,

00:57:01.640 so there was no windows to the exterior other than there was a couple windows

00:57:07.180 in their family room that looked into a very small, completely enclosed atrium.

00:57:11.220 So I had called and said, hey, I'm not very happy about this.

00:57:15.300 Is there a way we could move somewhere else?

00:57:17.180 And they were fully booked.

00:57:19.080 As it turns out, that was God really looking out for us in that scenario.

00:57:23.980 Had we been on the street side where the windows were right there on the street,

00:57:28.700 we would have probably been injured or possibly killed by the breaking glass

00:57:32.760 and the debris that would have come in the room.

00:57:34.520 It's absolutely unthinkable to wake up to see this news anyway on Christmas Day.

00:57:41.940 It happened right outside where you slept.

00:57:45.040 Tell us what that experience was like, buddy.

00:57:46.800 What did you hear?

00:57:48.500 We heard reports of gunshots fired.

00:57:50.560 We heard this message that was playing.

00:57:53.380 What did you experience?

00:57:54.520 What were you hearing that day?

00:57:56.460 We did not hear any of the messages or gunshots.

00:58:00.920 I know the police were evacuating people.

00:58:04.660 I think they were coming in the back of the building

00:58:07.260 and they back in rear to First Avenue.

00:58:10.360 And I just don't know if they didn't get to us

00:58:13.440 or if they pounded on our door and we didn't hear them.

00:58:16.480 Our bedrooms were actually on the second floor.

00:58:19.280 The first floor was the kitchen and family room.

00:58:21.500 The second floor was our bedrooms.

00:58:22.680 But I'm a very light sleeper, so I feel like I would have heard that.

00:58:26.460 So I just don't know if they didn't have time to get to us.

00:58:29.380 So we were sound asleep.

00:58:30.920 At the time of the explosion, 6.30 a.m.,

00:58:34.240 and it was just one of the loudest sounds I've ever heard,

00:58:37.260 combined with the entire building shaking,

00:58:39.700 glass and debris falling over the condominium,

00:58:42.820 jumped up and could immediately smell smoke.

00:58:46.660 So I yelled to my daughters down the hall and my wife.

00:58:49.460 I said, we have to get out of here as soon as possible.

00:58:51.300 I can't even imagine what you're thinking and what's going through your mind as that's happening.

00:58:59.760 You hear the explosion.

00:59:00.880 You know, something has gone wrong, but you're not quite sure yet.

00:59:05.200 You grab the kids and, you know, as a new father myself, I mean,

00:59:08.120 I can't even imagine to fathom what you're doing to protect your wife and your kids at that point.

00:59:13.260 But you grab them and run.

00:59:16.280 What's happening?

00:59:18.580 Yeah.

00:59:18.880 At first, you know, my only thought was this has got to be an earthquake or something.

00:59:22.540 I couldn't imagine what would cause this kind of, you know, sound and shaking the whole building and possible fire.

00:59:29.320 So luckily, outside of our bedroom, there was a kind of a couch there.

00:59:35.280 And I had placed the keys to the car on my wallet, a couple other things on that on that couch.

00:59:39.800 And I just saw it and I was able to grab it, which, you know, if it was somewhere else, I wouldn't have been looking for it.

00:59:44.620 So thank thank the Lord that that was right there.

00:59:47.280 And so we went downstairs and fear was opening the condo door to seeing like massive flames and smoke and being trapped.

00:59:55.500 And thankfully, that wasn't the case when we opened the door to the right to the back of the building to First Avenue.

01:00:04.080 The hallway was completely filled with smoke.

01:00:06.400 So the closest exit was really to the front on the Second Avenue.

01:00:11.580 When you when you came into our building and you can see it on the body cam video about 230,

01:00:17.020 the officer turns to the right and you'll see our entrance there at 178.

01:00:21.160 There were two that had to be 20 foot tall, double glass and wood doors.

01:00:27.600 And you had a keypad access to go in.

01:00:30.220 And then you had another 10 feet, another keypad and then a set of identical 20 foot tall glass and wood doors.

01:00:36.720 And when we came out of our condo door and rounded the corner, there was nothing left.

01:00:41.520 It was just obliterated.

01:00:42.860 There was glass and wood and debris everywhere.

01:00:45.980 I think a water pipe had broken because there's just water just gushing down into the whole area.

01:00:51.160 So, buddy, as I said, I can't imagine being awake to all of this.

01:00:59.760 I know that it was your wife or your daughter who ran out.

01:01:03.080 You guys just grabbed what you could and got out of there without shoes on.

01:01:06.980 Is that what happened?

01:01:08.720 Yeah.

01:01:08.860 My wife, Michelle, and my daughter, Quincy, both did not have shoes on.

01:01:12.880 And so we get to the to the street and it's, you know, looks like a war zone.

01:01:18.680 I've never been in war, but just from watching movies and, you know, just there was debris everywhere on the sidewalk.

01:01:24.460 And literally right across from us was a car that had exploded and was completely engulfed in flames.

01:01:31.620 Another interesting thing is that the night before we we were there, I was going to park my car right in front of the condominium.

01:01:38.940 There was a spot on the street, a metered spot.

01:01:42.260 And, of course, the meter ran out about 6 p.m.

01:01:44.380 So I thought, well, I'll just park here and then, you know, get the car in the morning.

01:01:48.120 But I didn't know what time we'd get up.

01:01:49.600 So, you know, I think the Lord was just kind of directing me that, yeah, don't park here.

01:01:53.200 So I went and parked across the street in the surface parking lot, which turns out was a big thing because if the car had been there, it would have been destroyed.

01:02:01.760 So anyhow, yeah, my wife and daughter had no shoes.

01:02:05.740 The girls kind of ran to the corner and I looked and my wife, I mean, we're all in shock.

01:02:09.920 But my wife was kind of frozen, trying to slowly step her way around all the debris. 0.93

01:02:15.640 And I'm thinking, I don't know what's going to happen.

01:02:17.700 Is this building going to come down?

01:02:19.160 Is there another bomb?

01:02:20.220 Is there, you know, a shooter?

01:02:21.820 So I just, you know, pure instinct, ran back, grabbed her through over my shoulder and we ran to the corner.

01:02:30.160 You took some pictures.

01:02:31.780 We haven't really been able to see the full scale of the damage with the pictures that have been on TV and floating around.

01:02:38.020 I'm not really sure why, but you took some pictures on your way out and it looks like hell.

01:02:45.800 It was the most terrible experience in our life and I certainly wouldn't wish it on anybody.

01:02:53.460 And you just, you know, you kind of keep replaying that moment in your mind over and over again, which is probably not a good thing to do.

01:03:01.520 But then you go through scenarios of, you know, what if this building collapsed?

01:03:05.940 Because literally right next to our building, that building collapsed.

01:03:09.680 And, you know, we'd have been trapped under concrete and wood and glass, you know, probably seriously injured or killed.

01:03:16.460 And so you just, you know, that God was in control, making sure he was protecting us.

01:03:20.900 And, you know, it's just a miracle that we got out with our lives.

01:03:24.380 How are you guys doing right now?

01:03:30.260 Well, Justin, physically we're fine.

01:03:34.060 Emotionally and mentally, it's tough.

01:03:36.680 As I said, you just keep replaying that moment in your mind.

01:03:40.320 And, you know, sometimes you'll just have it pop in your head and, you know, start crying about the whole thing because you're just so emotional.

01:03:47.620 So I think, you know, I don't like to use the term PTSD because I think that's reserved for soldiers that have been in war.

01:03:55.880 But we definitely have some kind of emotional trauma that we probably need to talk to some people about, kind of work through that.

01:04:02.980 Loud sounds will startle us.

01:04:06.340 That's just kind of, yeah, it's kind of tough.

01:04:08.060 I am praying for your family, and I know that the rest of the folks listening today are too, buddy.

01:04:19.740 I am so grateful that you made it out and that everyone did make it out.

01:04:26.780 And what you describe, and I completely agree, is only as if God had his hands on you all that day and was keeping you safe through this.

01:04:38.320 It is a miracle.

01:04:40.560 And I am so glad that you shared this story with us because this, and especially the time that we're in right now, is the glimpse of hope, that glimmer that we all need right now.

01:04:53.620 No matter what is happening, I just appreciate you sharing it with us today.

01:05:00.060 Thanks, Justin.

01:05:01.040 And we really appreciate all the support and loves and prayers that people have been giving to us on Facebook and people that we don't even know.

01:05:09.640 And I just also want to say I'm just so proud and grateful for all the police and fire personnel that were there.

01:05:17.180 Those police officers certainly saved many lives.

01:05:20.280 And if you watch on the body cam video at the two-minute mark, you'll see them walking by that RV.

01:05:26.460 And obviously, if it exploded at that point, they would have been killed.

01:05:29.840 And so they just moved into the face of danger without any regard to their safety, and they saved lives.

01:05:34.960 And they're the real heroes here.

01:05:37.760 And some are calling to defund the police.

01:05:39.720 The heroes are running towards the danger, not away from it.

01:05:44.880 And, boy, there is no greater moment than what took place that day and what happens every day when those folks go out to serve and protect.

01:05:56.340 Buddy, thank you so much for being here with us today.

01:05:59.060 Justin, I really appreciate it.

01:06:00.200 God bless.

01:06:01.280 God bless, brother.

01:06:02.120 Happy New Year to you.

01:06:03.800 In fact, he mentioned the police.

01:06:06.280 Another miracle.

01:06:07.020 I don't know if you saw the story or not, but one of the officers said he heard what he could only describe as a voice from God warning him to move in the opposite direction.

01:06:20.500 And just moments later, that RV exploded in Nashville.

01:06:26.220 You'll hear that story coming up.

01:06:28.120 Justin Barkley in for Glenn Beck today on the Glenn Beck program.

01:06:31.200 Welcome back to the Glenn Beck program.

01:06:33.380 Justin Barkley in for Glenn today at Mr. Justin Barkley on all the social media platforms.

01:06:38.320 888-727-BECK, B-E-C-K, is where you can get in and join the program at any time.

01:06:43.940 And we just spoke with a man who he and his family were right there on the street.

01:06:47.900 The Nashville bombing occurred.

01:06:49.580 They were sleeping in an Airbnb.

01:06:51.000 And by the grace of God, they were saved.

01:06:53.240 They were spared.

01:06:54.980 His story isn't the only one.

01:06:56.660 I don't know if you've seen the story of this Nashville police officer who said he heard the voice of God that saved him that Christmas morning.

01:07:06.660 Which is the parking garage and then a second to commerce to get out of the blast radius.

01:07:12.460 And at that point, I get out and I'm starting to go back toward Llewellyn and Hosey.

01:07:20.540 And as I'm getting ready to walk toward them, walking back toward the RV, and this might not be politically correct, but this is my truth.

01:07:28.420 And I literally hear a guy tell me to turn around and go check on Topping, who was by herself down on Broadway.

01:07:34.540 And as I turn around, for me, it felt like I only took three steps.

01:07:46.240 And then the music stopped.

01:07:47.740 And as I'm walking back toward Topping now, I just see orange.

01:07:52.100 And then I hear a loud boom.

01:07:54.080 And as I'm stumbling, because it rocked me that hard.

01:07:58.040 I started stumbling.

01:07:58.740 I just tell myself to stay on your feet, stay alive.

01:08:00.660 And I just take out in a full-out sprint, and I'm running toward Topping to make sure she's okay.

01:08:06.500 And we kind of meet in the middle, and we just grab each other, check each other.

01:08:10.600 And I'm yelling at her to get her gun out, because, like I said, I felt like there was going to be some...

01:08:15.020 I just had a feeling that, you know, it's just weird.

01:08:17.920 You know, it just felt like something out of a movie.

01:08:19.340 And so we're checking on each other, and she's asking me.

01:08:23.520 She's telling me that they're trying to raise me on the radio.

01:08:26.140 I couldn't hear.

01:08:27.260 So, you know, I just lost temporary hearing in my left ear.

01:08:31.980 It's an incredible story.

01:08:33.720 And there are many just like it, even in some of the darkest moments we've faced throughout this year.

01:08:39.360 There have been glaring, bright, shining ones.

01:08:46.260 That should give us hope.

01:08:47.680 No matter what we face, as we close out the last chapter here and the moments remaining in 2020, that 2021 is on the way.

01:08:56.720 Happy New Year, America.

01:08:58.040 It's Justin Barkley and today for Glenn on the Glenn Beck Program.

01:09:01.540 And, yes, we count down the last few remaining moments here of 2020.

01:09:06.900 Some folks are excited.

01:09:10.400 But what will 2021 look like?

01:09:12.200 Will it be any different or just more of the same?

01:09:17.020 Got to look into the window of what is yet to come here in the next few days, months, and throughout the entire year.

01:09:25.900 And we'll do that with you coming up right after this.

01:09:30.980 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:09:36.900 What a year.

01:09:40.080 Hey, 2020 has been, in a lot of ways, a blur.

01:09:45.540 It's Justin Barkley here from Wood Radio, WOD in Grand Rapids, in for Glenn today on the Glenn Beck Program.

01:09:51.880 And I got to tell you, I feel like the days have just flown by, but also in ways that they just lingered and lasted forever.

01:10:00.040 However, it's been the most strange year of my entire life, chaos swirling all around us in a lot of ways.

01:10:09.960 But it's been one of the best years of my life, too.

01:10:12.600 Can I tell you a secret?

01:10:14.320 It's been pretty amazing.

01:10:19.560 And I think there's a reason for that.

01:10:21.200 I'm going to talk about that here in just a little bit.

01:10:27.680 It's a bit of a secret.

01:10:31.820 My wife and I, although in a similar situation,

01:10:38.380 we're expecting the birth of our daughter in March in 2021.

01:10:42.420 One, she came about three months earlier in December on the 6th.

01:10:50.200 She was only 2.6 pounds. 0.99

01:10:54.760 We had to rush to the hospital.

01:10:56.460 My wife's water had broke. 0.66

01:10:57.580 We were there for about a week.

01:10:58.980 And I've told this story, and she's doing great, by the way.

01:11:03.720 Because of the prayers of the folks who are listening to this show and many others,

01:11:07.740 God's hand just present through the whole thing.

01:11:15.320 She's perfect, just a little early.

01:11:17.620 So on one hand, we have this, well, this stress of this emergency.

01:11:24.620 But on the other hand, we have this gift from God.

01:11:30.540 And she truly is.

01:11:31.820 I wouldn't trade it for the world.

01:11:33.320 Steve Jobs said that you can only understand things looking back when the dots connect.

01:11:39.720 And I don't know.

01:11:40.660 I wouldn't have picked this way.

01:11:42.500 But God had a plan.

01:11:46.220 Once her water broke, now that she's here,

01:11:48.980 otherwise my wife was going to have to spend seven weeks in that hospital on bed rest. 1.00

01:11:56.440 And I think everything happened the way it was supposed to.

01:12:01.020 Everything happened for a reason.

01:12:02.340 Could it be, though, that much of 2020 was the same way?

01:12:07.540 Could it be that everything happened for a reason?

01:12:09.500 I said a little later into this thing in 2020,

01:12:15.340 I thought, hey, it's 2020 vision.

01:12:17.200 Everything's going to be awesome.

01:12:19.220 I can see clearly now.

01:12:22.320 And now I am starting to see that I can see clearly.

01:12:26.420 And that there was a reason why everything happened.

01:12:32.340 I said that 2020 was a year of revelation.

01:12:37.100 And I don't mean necessarily like the book and the Bible, although I really see that everything.

01:12:47.240 And I saw this back then, that everything would be exposed.

01:12:51.500 It would all come to light.

01:12:52.860 In fact, we're seeing it in so many different ways.

01:12:59.360 Our society, who we are, even, down to the individual, is being exposed.

01:13:04.040 The good, the bad, and the ugly.

01:13:05.360 All of it.

01:13:05.800 Warts and all, right?

01:13:06.460 On one hand, through this entire pandemic, we've seen politicians make questionable moves.

01:13:13.920 Either for best intentions or power.

01:13:20.220 Who knows?

01:13:21.020 But they made questionable moves.

01:13:22.840 And they're front and center.

01:13:24.500 This one from Canada is the latest.

01:13:26.220 His name is Rod Phillips.

01:13:27.220 He gave this announcement to Canadians telling them not to leave or go anywhere.

01:13:33.300 Stay home for the holidays, he said.

01:13:34.960 Hello, everyone.

01:13:36.300 It's Rod Phillips, the MPP from Ajax.

01:13:38.660 On this Christmas Eve, I want to wish each and every one of you a very Merry Christmas.

01:13:44.260 I mean, there's music playing in the background.

01:13:46.740 He's got a fireplace.

01:13:48.260 Only problem with this whole thing, as he told his own constituents to stay home,

01:13:53.180 he was in his home on the island of St. Barts.

01:13:58.200 There's even a gingerbread house and milk and cookies or eggnog or something next to him on the table.

01:14:08.360 It's incredible.

01:14:09.560 Then you have the juxtaposition of the leader.

01:14:13.540 The governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis, yesterday asked if he had gotten the vaccine.

01:14:17.760 No, so what I've said is I'm willing to take it, but I am not the priority.

01:14:23.500 They're the priority.

01:14:24.420 I'm under 45.

01:14:26.280 And so the people under 45 are not going to be first in line for this.

01:14:30.860 And so when it's my turn, I will take it.

01:14:34.060 But this is who I want to be vaccinated.

01:14:36.420 I want my parents, our grandparents to be able to get it.

01:14:40.300 And, you know, granted, I mean, I'm an elected official.

01:14:42.720 But what we do at the end of the day, let's focus where the risk is.

01:14:46.460 Leaders eat last.

01:14:50.460 He said, you know, I understand these questions about the vaccine,

01:14:54.120 but I want the folks who are most vulnerable to have them.

01:14:56.580 Maybe we can save some lives that way.

01:14:59.520 There's a lot of questions about leadership that comes out of this year

01:15:02.460 that I think need some answers.

01:15:08.160 And who are our leaders?

01:15:10.120 Where do they come from?

01:15:12.740 You know, they say that you get the government you deserve,

01:15:14.760 and I believe that that has never been more true this year.

01:15:23.420 Maybe it's our fault.

01:15:25.460 Or we're at least responsible.

01:15:27.620 You know, I have some sense that we are looking and have been looking

01:15:37.900 in our institutions, in our leaders, to the media, even the parties, right?

01:15:44.220 For this perfect Savior to come and rescue us all.

01:15:54.520 We've lifted them up way too high, I think.

01:15:58.440 Even higher than our true Savior at times.

01:16:03.360 Maybe that's why we're constantly being let down, right?

01:16:12.020 Is that we're looking to the wrong place for all the answers.

01:16:18.960 Maybe that's why we feel so hopeless.

01:16:21.060 Maybe it's because our real hope lies elsewhere.

01:16:36.360 Coming up next, I'm going to talk to a man, a guest who posted something online the other day

01:16:41.240 that really resonated with me.

01:16:42.400 I think he'll have a little hope for you and for me, for all of us, to finish out 2020,

01:16:52.460 but also to see 2021 a little differently.

01:17:00.460 A wise man once said, what do you expect over the next 10 years?

01:17:03.020 And it's the question that I ask today.

01:17:04.260 What do you expect 2021 to be like?

01:17:09.020 Much of the same that we've seen through 2020.

01:17:12.820 And that can be good or bad, depending on your perspective.

01:17:20.000 We'll give you some that maybe give you a little hope coming up right after this.

01:17:26.180 Justin Barkley, in for Glenn today on the Glenn Beck Program.

01:17:34.260 Hey, welcome back to the Glenn Beck Program.

01:17:36.960 It is Justin and Mr. Justin Barclay on Twitter, Facebook, all of those places.

01:17:41.660 But we're joined now with a guy on Instagram.

01:17:44.060 In fact, I saw him post something this week that really resonated with me.

01:17:50.580 Let me read a little bit to you.

01:17:52.480 If a person lives as a victim, they will remain stagnant until they are rescued.

01:17:58.920 If a person lives as a villain, they will face justice or die.

01:18:04.260 If a person lives as a hero, they'll achieve much and receive rewards.

01:18:09.600 And if a person lives as a guide, they will earn the respect and adoration of heroes everywhere.

01:18:16.080 The energy we bring to our lives matters.

01:18:20.500 The stakes are high.

01:18:22.020 And the stakes are not only personal.

01:18:24.640 They're communal.

01:18:25.460 A country that collectively sees itself as a victim will not rise to their challenge, but instead resign themselves to their dark fate and continue to be oppressed by dictators from within their own country or beyond.

01:18:42.020 Donald Miller joins us right now on the Glenn Beck Program.

01:18:45.460 Don, thanks for being here.

01:18:46.960 I'm glad to be here.

01:18:47.620 There's more to this post, by the way.

01:18:49.600 I share it on Twitter if folks want to see it.

01:18:52.520 And, you know, this just really resonated with me.

01:18:55.160 Don is, you know, he's a guy, and I guess I'll give you a bit of an author or a background.

01:19:01.280 He's an author.

01:19:02.520 He's got a great company called StoryBrand.

01:19:04.280 He helps businesses walk through their stories and how they can resonate with folks that they want to sell stuff to.

01:19:11.400 And an amazing job with this.

01:19:12.920 But you have a background with faith.

01:19:14.720 And let's just talk a little bit about that first and maybe why that plays such an important role here.

01:19:21.440 Yeah.

01:19:21.680 You know, I got my career started writing memoirs.

01:19:24.920 And in order to make those memoirs more interesting, I studied a lot of narrative structure.

01:19:29.360 So story and how it works.

01:19:30.880 One of those memoirs was turned into a major motion picture and so studied story even more and was fascinated as I discovered the power of story and the power of narrative transportation.

01:19:43.080 So narrative transportation is a term that describes what happens when you believe a story.

01:19:49.860 And what's interesting is if you can frame a narrative that people will buy into, the narrative is so powerful in their mind, they will begin to reject facts that would threaten that story.

01:20:03.860 And so what narrative transportation proves is that story narrative is actually more powerful than truth.

01:20:11.320 And so it becomes very important that we begin to tell stories that are true and live stories that are true.

01:20:18.320 And I think in this day and age, it's fascinating that on the left, on the right, in every facet of society, we have people who are believing things that simply aren't true.

01:20:28.920 And not only that, we have a difficult time really getting to the heart of what is true.

01:20:32.240 You know, on Christmas morning here, Justin, in Nashville, Tennessee, where I am today, at 630 in the morning, I was in the bathroom brushing my teeth.

01:20:40.740 And I just felt the earth rumble a little bit and kind of wondered what that was.

01:20:46.660 And about 30 minutes later, it came on the news that a gentleman had pulled into downtown Nashville and set off a bomb in an RV.

01:20:52.820 And my wife said, gosh, you know, what do you think he was thinking?

01:20:56.760 Luckily, nobody was was killed.

01:20:59.020 There were three people injured, but it could have been much more devastating.

01:21:02.060 I said, honey, you know, I don't know.

01:21:03.520 But what they'll uncover eventually is that this person had bought into some kind of narrative in which they were playing a role in a story, whether he thought he was doing something heroic or he wanted to be the martyr.

01:21:15.920 However, it will probably be uncovered that that he subscribes some sort of narrative.

01:21:21.060 And so the FBI begins to investigate that.

01:21:22.760 That's exactly what they're uncovering is that he, you know, he believed in some conspiracy theories about literally about lizards and 5G networks controlling lizard aliens and things like that.

01:21:35.620 That's that's an absurd example.

01:21:37.060 But is it it still affects us, right, because he did go down in this fictional mindset and in the real world blow up a big portion of Nashville, Tennessee, at least two or three blocks.

01:21:49.940 So the roles that we believe we play in a story dictate how our lives go.

01:21:55.480 And and so what you read on Instagram was just a piece of some writing that I was working on and thought, you know, I might let the public see this and see what they think, because it seems very culturally relevant.

01:22:06.140 You know, you go on to say Donald Miller's with us, by the way, and he goes on to say in this post, as an American, I grew up in a country that, though certainly flawed, perceived itself as heroic inside an evolving story, attempting to perfect liberty for all to lay today.

01:22:22.540 The collective consciousness is increasingly attracted to political messages in which we are described as victims in need of rescue by political parties or their representative strongmen.

01:22:34.520 And we've seen that play out a lot in the last few years in some really damaging ways, in some divisive ways, whether it be identity politics or just the polarity of everyone picking a tribe.

01:22:48.780 But how do we get back to seeing our story, whether it's as individuals or this this country itself as a heroic story and to recognizing, although there are flaws, right, that that we've got a great country and that we have greatness inside all of us, those seeds anyway.

01:23:10.800 Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's the greatest country in the history of the world.

01:23:14.400 Our economic system is the greatest experiment in the history of the world at reducing poverty.

01:23:18.960 You know, it's got flaws. We need to change some things in the tax code and tweak some things in capitalism to make it work even better for everybody.

01:23:26.200 But you can't argue with the fact that this has been the greatest exercise.

01:23:30.120 We we we did that with a heroic mentality.

01:23:33.060 You know, as I studied story, what I discovered was there are four major characters, the victim, the villain, the hero and the guide.

01:23:39.080 Those are the four major characters and stories.

01:23:41.720 And those characters are the major characters and stories because they're the major characters inside of us.

01:23:47.620 On any given day, Justin, I play the hero, the victim, the villain, the guide.

01:23:51.140 Right. The hero wakes up early and gets started on his goals.

01:23:53.540 You know, within my computer, I forgot to charge it last night.

01:23:56.780 So I'm the victim and I've got to sit around and wait for this computer to charge.

01:23:59.700 I got a bad attitude with my wife. There's the victim. 1.00

01:24:01.840 And then she says, well, you know, if you just remember to charge your computer before you go to bed.

01:24:05.300 And I say, well, you know, I get vindictive and get mad at her.

01:24:07.440 Now I'm playing the villain.

01:24:09.380 And then she says, hey, you know, can you help me get something done?

01:24:12.700 I say, sure, I'll help you. And now I'm playing the guide.

01:24:14.900 Those are the four roles. The hero overcomes challenges, overcomes villains to free victims.

01:24:21.480 The victim is a bit part in the story.

01:24:24.120 It's what everybody needs to understand.

01:24:25.780 The victim exists only to make the hero look good and the villain look bad.

01:24:30.360 That's it. That's the purpose of the villain in the story.

01:24:33.100 The villain is seeking vengeance and trying to punish those who have hurt him or her.

01:24:41.220 And the guide is the one, the old sage, who's helping the hero win the day.

01:24:45.840 Again, those four characters exist in stories because they exist in us.

01:24:49.860 Now, stories make them really clean.

01:24:52.420 You know, we see this person is the hero and they separate the identities into different people.

01:24:56.180 But the truth is, it's much more nuanced in real life.

01:24:59.160 What we'll find, though, in life is that when you play the victim, your fate ends up very similar to the way the victim ends up in stories.

01:25:08.920 They either die or they're rescued.

01:25:11.180 And what you'll find at the end of a story is the victim is not given a reward.

01:25:14.520 The victim is not praised.

01:25:16.080 The victim is not respected.

01:25:17.280 They're usually hauled off in an ambulance and then the camera goes back to the hero who's given a reward.

01:25:22.760 We find that when we play the hero, we earn the respect of the people around us.

01:25:27.820 We accomplish our goals.

01:25:28.980 We accomplish our objectives.

01:25:30.400 We put villains in their right place, which is either dead or in jail.

01:25:34.180 And life goes pretty well for us if we play the villain.

01:25:38.520 And sometimes villains trick themselves into thinking they're being heroes.

01:25:43.900 But the difference between a villain and a hero is the villain is seeking vengeance and the hero is seeking justice.

01:25:50.880 And those can get very distorted.

01:25:52.780 But when we are hurting innocent people in the name of a good cause, we are definitely playing the villain.

01:25:58.280 And what happens to the villain is they either go to jail or they're killed.

01:26:03.520 The guide in stories is not the main character in the story, but it's arguably the most respected character in the story.

01:26:10.860 Gandalf is the guide.

01:26:12.660 Hamish in The Hunger Games is the guide.

01:26:14.920 This is a strong character who's already played the hero for many, many years and is now teaching other heroes how to win.

01:26:21.260 This would be our elder class in America, the greatest generation, those who've gone before us who can turn around and teach us something.

01:26:28.280 What I'm finding more and more and what troubles me, Justin, is that political messages that say you are being threatened by outside forces, people are out to get you, you deserve better, there's nothing you can do, you're helpless.

01:26:41.860 Let the government step in and be your rescuer.

01:26:46.740 Well, if the government is our rescuer, then who are we?

01:26:49.360 We're the victims.

01:26:50.060 And so what happens to a country when it collectively identifies as victims is what happens to a victim in a story.

01:26:58.380 They either decline and make somebody else look good or they perish.

01:27:04.220 And, you know, I don't want to be too dramatic, but the reality is, you know, those days when we were putting a man on the moon and we were building our economy and even in the civil rights movement, you know, we played a heroic role.

01:27:19.240 People look at the civil rights movement as a bruise on our country, and certainly it is. 1.00

01:27:23.500 But it's also a country that was willing to fight with itself to become better.

01:27:30.740 And so, you know, there's this heroic identity that is America.

01:27:35.120 Don, I've got to hold on one second.

01:27:36.560 We've got to take a quick break.

01:27:37.820 I'll be right back with you because I want to ask some questions about this.

01:27:40.860 How do we change from victims to victors?

01:27:43.860 Welcome back to the Glenn Beck program.

01:27:49.240 Justin Barkley in for Glenn today.

01:27:51.940 Well-deserved vacation as we count down the last few moments of 2020 and look forward to 2021.

01:27:57.780 I'd love to hear from you.

01:27:58.800 888-727-BECK.

01:28:00.560 That's 888-727-BECK. 0.81

01:28:02.960 I'm at Mr. Justin Barkley.

01:28:04.300 Facebook, Twitter, and all over the place.

01:28:06.800 And Justin at JustinBarkley.com.

01:28:08.700 And we're talking with Donald Miller right now who is sharing, you know, some of his thoughts behind this post that I saw on Instagram that really resonated with me.

01:28:18.060 And we're talking about how you can transform, not only in your life, but maybe we as a country, as a society, can transform from victims into victors.

01:28:29.760 And, Don, you just mentioned some of this, how we've been hearing the messaging from politicians and the media and different places.

01:28:38.700 About this victim mentality and why we've kind of all sort of settled into this in some ways, maybe individually in our lives.

01:28:47.020 It's very easy to do it.

01:28:48.600 But there's an alternative that you mentioned.

01:28:52.140 A couple of them, actually.

01:28:54.120 Just run through those quickly again, and then we'll get to, like, how we can maybe do that, not just in our country, but in our lives as well.

01:29:03.180 Well, you know, there are a few things to remember.

01:29:05.540 One is that there are actually victims in the world.

01:29:07.740 I mean, there are people, you know, Henry Cloud, a friend of mine, describes a victim as somebody who has no way out.

01:29:15.020 So if you actually use that definition, a victim has no way out, the majority of the time when we see ourselves as a victim, we are actually not victims.

01:29:22.640 We actually do have a way out.

01:29:24.100 It's just that the way out is hard, or the way out is going to request that we sacrifice.

01:29:30.300 And so a lot of times when we're playing the victim, a little bit of self-awareness would show that, you know, the reason we're playing the victim is that victims can get out of their responsibilities because, you know, they're in too dire a situation to take care of whatever they need to take care of.

01:29:46.040 Or they can attract a rescuer.

01:29:47.580 However, the problem is when we play the victim and we're not a victim, people actually get tired of us.

01:29:52.860 And, Justin, you know, I grew up in a home.

01:29:54.400 We were very poor.

01:29:55.600 You know, we stood in line for government cheese.

01:29:57.500 And I remember just being so embarrassed and worried that somebody at my school would see me doing that.

01:30:02.280 And, you know, mom had to work till 7 p.m. 0.71

01:30:05.140 We were latchkey kids.

01:30:06.380 We held, you know, our key was hung around our neck on some yarn.

01:30:09.880 And nobody was there to help us with homework and all that kind of stuff. 0.98

01:30:12.540 I really did grow up thinking I was kind of dumb. 0.84

01:30:14.860 And I was bullied a lot. 0.93

01:30:16.360 And because I was bullied a lot, I learned this defense mechanism of playing the victim.

01:30:21.020 And to some degree, it works.

01:30:22.440 You know, people leave you alone a little bit.

01:30:24.160 They don't bully you as much.

01:30:25.080 But at the same time, you have no progress.

01:30:27.220 You do not get better.

01:30:28.140 You do not transform into a better version of yourself.

01:30:30.140 You do not accomplish goals.

01:30:31.340 You just hide.

01:30:33.180 And so I think we want to have a lot of compassion for people playing the victims because it is a survival mechanism.

01:30:38.960 But what changed my life personally was when I realized it was, and I'm embarrassed to say it was even in my early 20s, it took that long, when I realized that everything I wanted in life, I wasn't going to get by playing the victim.

01:30:51.100 That it was, in fact, it was just an unattractive role to play in life.

01:30:56.860 And when I realized that and began to take some responsibility for my life, things slowly transformed over the next 10 years.

01:31:03.940 And I was able to, you know, develop a work ethic, lose some weight, start dating, write a few best-selling books, start a company.

01:31:13.660 And now, you know, I'm not embarrassed when I look back on the way I thought and the way I lived in my teens and early 20s.

01:31:21.880 But I do find myself completely unrecognizable.

01:31:24.820 So one of the things that happens in stories that's so exciting is that characters transform.

01:31:30.020 They actually do change.

01:31:32.140 The hero changes and becomes a better version of themselves.

01:31:35.880 They are ill-equipped at the beginning, and they are confident at the end.

01:31:39.540 You know, if you look at Star Wars, he doesn't know, Luke doesn't know if he can be a Jedi.

01:31:43.700 By the end, he's destroying the Death Star.

01:31:46.160 In King's speech, King George doesn't know if he can do this.

01:31:49.060 He thinks the wrong person, fate, if you will, has chosen the wrong person to be king.

01:31:53.220 But he works with his guide, that is Lionel, the drama teacher, teaches him how to talk.

01:31:57.300 And by the end of it, he delivers a speech without stuttering, and he is transformed.

01:32:02.940 When we meet somebody who hasn't changed in 5 or 10 years, they're complaining about the same things.

01:32:07.920 You're in the presence of somebody who sees themselves as a victim.

01:32:10.300 And one of the most tender, beautiful things you can do, if it's possible, and I think you don't want to do this unless you've earned the right to do it, is just to explain what happens to a victim.

01:32:21.580 They don't transform.

01:32:23.200 They don't get the girl.

01:32:24.320 They don't get the promotion.

01:32:26.220 They don't accomplish their goals.

01:32:27.820 They don't do that.

01:32:29.020 And the reality is they're seeing themselves as a victim.

01:32:31.700 So I want to be really careful because as soon as we start judging victims and thinking of them as lesser people than we are, we actually start playing the villain.

01:32:39.620 A hero has great compassion for victims and great understanding and also great understanding for liberty and free will.

01:32:47.840 If somebody wants to be a victim, they have every right to be a victim.

01:32:50.520 It's not my responsibility to change them.

01:32:53.200 But I think it is my responsibility to explain what happens to victims and what happens to heroes and invite more and more people into a heroic mentality.

01:33:01.700 That's a great way to put it, an invitation.

01:33:05.440 So Donald Miller with us right now.

01:33:08.880 StoryBrand.com is a website and author of some great books, including Building a Story Brand.

01:33:14.360 But you mentioned those memoirs beforehand.

01:33:16.800 You might want to grab some of those or go pick some of those up.

01:33:21.140 Scary Clothes, Blue Like Jazz, a couple of those.

01:33:23.440 Donald, you mentioned you kind of got your ideas as you wrote these books and were part of this movie and now helping businesses do this.

01:33:34.140 You got your basis and your background for the stories.

01:33:36.960 So we know how those formulas work in the movies and in books and whatnot.

01:33:40.800 They're very close to what happens in real life.

01:33:42.460 How do we choose, you know, in the real raw moments to become either a hero or a guide and say, you know what, I'm going to stop being the victim, maybe personally in our own lives and then also as a country?

01:33:57.420 Well, some things have to happen in order to play the hero.

01:34:02.560 And, of course, I don't mean in order to beat your chest and be the center of attention.

01:34:06.160 I mean in order to inside yourself, see yourself as somebody who's capable of change and capable of great impact.

01:34:12.260 One of the things that a hero does in a story, and it works in our own lives, too, is they have a clear, defined goal in mind.

01:34:21.180 They want to accomplish something.

01:34:23.580 And they've written it down.

01:34:25.180 It's very, very clear.

01:34:26.320 This is also in line with Viktor Frankl's work.

01:34:29.340 Viktor Frankl was the Viennese psychologist who was alive during the time of Sigmund Freud and contended, as Sigmund Freud said, that people's dominant pursuit and desire was a desire for pleasure.

01:34:40.500 Viktor Frankl said, no, it's the desire for a deep sense of meaning.

01:34:44.340 And he said, in order to find meaning, you need to take action on a goal.

01:34:49.760 You need to move forward.

01:34:50.960 That meaning is experienced in motion.

01:34:53.560 And so, Justin, you know, every morning, not every morning, but at least three or four mornings a week, I get up and I read my life plan that I created for myself.

01:35:02.000 And it starts with my obituary.

01:35:03.920 And it basically says, here's what I want my wife to say about me.

01:35:07.400 Here are the things that I want to have accomplished.

01:35:09.360 And so, there's a sense of movement toward a purpose.

01:35:14.960 Victims, on the other hand, are lost.

01:35:17.160 Victims only want to be rescued. 0.98

01:35:18.560 They're not trying to change the world.

01:35:19.840 They just want to be rescued.

01:35:20.940 They just want somebody to come and take their pain away.

01:35:23.760 And, of course, if you're a real victim, we hope that that happens for you.

01:35:26.320 We hope that somebody comes.

01:35:27.620 But a victim state is meant to be temporary.

01:35:30.440 It is not meant to be permanent.

01:35:31.720 It is not who you are.

01:35:32.860 It's a state that you are in and can get out of when we actually say, okay, this is what I want to accomplish.

01:35:38.720 Another characteristic that heroes have in common in stories and heroes have in common in life is that they're not afraid of conflict.

01:35:45.500 They're not afraid of challenge.

01:35:47.340 They want to change something, and they know changing something is going to be hard.

01:35:52.200 And so, when life gets hard, instead of saying, I don't want it to be like this and this is unfair, they say, oh, this is exactly what life is supposed to do to us.

01:36:00.980 It's supposed to challenge us.

01:36:02.280 And it's only through encountering pain that we become better people.

01:36:06.800 There is no other way in story to make somebody a better person than to encounter pain.

01:36:12.980 And so, what we find is that when we are in the heroic role, the pain doesn't change.

01:36:17.580 The challenge is still there.

01:36:19.340 It's just that we like it.

01:36:21.140 I mean, when Dwayne Johnson, the rock, is working out, he feels the same pain you and I would feel.

01:36:27.220 The difference with him is that he likes it.

01:36:29.120 He enjoys it.

01:36:29.980 And he enjoys the benefits of it, right?

01:36:31.820 He looks very different than me.

01:36:33.880 And so, you know, if we say this is what I want to accomplish in life, here's what I want to change, and I'm willing to go through great challenges and condemnation maybe and even people attacking me and those sorts of things.

01:36:47.920 In order to make this thing happen, we find ourselves in a heroic role.

01:36:52.200 And what you'll find, since I read Viktor Frankl 15 years ago, you know, there have been days that I've woken up and life has been sad.

01:37:00.380 Tragedy has hit my community.

01:37:02.260 And, you know, I don't want to do this work today, but I'm going to go do it.

01:37:06.620 You know, I'm not saying life is always happy.

01:37:08.240 But I promise you, Justin, in 15 years, since I've defined my goal and goals and read my life plan, I have not woken up a single day and not experienced a deep sense of meaning in my life.

01:37:18.920 I really like life.

01:37:20.120 I like it on its terms.

01:37:21.580 And its terms are, this is going to be difficult.

01:37:24.100 So, being willing to face the fight, right, and knowing exactly what you want and where you want to go, these are the individual things that define us.

01:37:35.900 Donald, what can we do as a nation?

01:37:39.200 How do we make the turn together?

01:37:43.260 Well, we need to choose leaders who are capable of a unifying mission.

01:37:48.860 In my opinion, the narrative that we are living as a country right now is Democrats against Republicans.

01:37:56.540 Our government is very expensive.

01:37:59.740 And we elect people who want to bring down the other team, if you will.

01:38:06.040 And what that means is we've got a Congress that fights with each other rather than getting things done.

01:38:11.100 And I'm sick of it because I think they're wasting my money.

01:38:14.740 And we have a media that incentivizes that sort of outrage at the other party.

01:38:21.060 And so, if you look at all the incentives, the incentives for the media, the incentives for Democrats to bash on Republicans and Republicans to bash on Democrats, if you look at the incentives, we are incentivizing this country into decline.

01:38:33.440 So, what we need is we need a leader who stands up and says, look, I think we're about to get passed by China in 2025. 0.79

01:38:42.100 Our debt is horrific.

01:38:44.080 Our military is not as strong as China's.

01:38:47.600 China's naval fleet just passed ours.

01:38:49.740 Our education system is in decline.

01:38:52.200 And the reason is none of these people are getting anything done.

01:38:56.180 They're too busy in a bar fight.

01:38:58.180 And we need to stop the bar fight.

01:38:59.760 We need to come together and decide that America will lead the world in education.

01:39:03.980 We will lead the world in our military capability.

01:39:06.520 We will lead the world in the freedoms that we enjoy.

01:39:09.920 And this is important because we want to prove to the world that democracy and freedom is the best nurturing environment for humanity.

01:39:20.160 It's important.

01:39:21.060 And instead, I think we have I think we've got on both sides of the aisle, Justin.

01:39:25.960 I think we've got some short sighted leaders who are winning the battle but are losing the war.

01:39:32.280 And so what it's going to take is leadership that unites the country for real.

01:39:37.540 And I think that's when we find our footing again.

01:39:41.240 But I'm not seeing a lot of leaders out there.

01:39:43.780 At least the microphone is not being handed to a lot of leaders who are willing to do that.

01:39:48.300 Donald Miller, StoryBrand.com.

01:39:50.360 I really appreciate this conversation with you.

01:39:54.520 And I look forward to hearing more in the future.

01:39:57.660 Great post on Instagram.

01:39:58.920 We'll share that, too.

01:39:59.800 It's over on my Twitter as we speak.

01:40:02.620 Donald, thank you so much for being here with us today.

01:40:04.700 And I'm looking forward to seeing what comes.

01:40:07.380 Justin, thanks.

01:40:08.100 Congrats on the new baby.

01:40:09.260 And Happy New Year.

01:40:10.140 Thank you.

01:40:10.560 You, too, my friend.

01:40:11.820 Donald Miller.

01:40:12.300 That is a conversation that we'll continue to have because it's, you know, it's not going away anytime soon unless we take action, as he pointed out.

01:40:24.860 So what are some of those things we can do?

01:40:28.800 We'll continue to look down the road and continue our conversation right here.

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01:40:53.940 In for Glenn today on the Glenn Beck program.

01:40:58.060 You're listening to Glenn Beck.

01:40:59.800 I just want to say it has been an honor and a privilege to fill in for Glenn during his well-deserved vacation.

01:41:15.740 It's Justin Barclay from Wood Radio in Grand Rapids as we count down the remaining moments here in this year, 2020, and look forward to 2021.

01:41:25.820 I guess we have some decisions to make.

01:41:28.040 Quite a few.

01:41:28.800 But in the most simplest terms, every year folks make resolutions and they fail.

01:41:34.780 I'm one of them.

01:41:36.940 But how do we make changes?

01:41:40.240 And can we?

01:41:42.460 That actually lasts.

01:41:43.800 I know we can.

01:41:45.140 I'm a guy who dropped almost 100 pounds not too far ago.

01:41:51.620 And I've kept it off even through this crazy pandemic.

01:41:55.180 And the craziness with my daughter in the hospital and the things that have happened.

01:42:01.780 I know that real change can be lasting and it can happen.

01:42:06.240 It's just up to us.

01:42:11.780 It's up to you and me.

01:42:13.240 It's our choice.

01:42:15.320 We get the government we deserve.

01:42:16.760 We get the bodies we deserve.

01:42:18.520 It's coming from a guy who's had a few cookies this holiday season, right?

01:42:23.000 But we can make change in our own lives and in our country.

01:42:33.900 Don't give up.

01:42:36.700 I don't know what's going to happen in 2021 in the first few days.

01:42:41.340 On the 6th of January in Washington, D.C., the Electoral College.

01:42:47.560 On the 20th, I don't know who will be sworn in.

01:42:51.140 But as I've said over the few days that I've had a chance to spend time with this wonderful audience in for Glenn,

01:42:57.400 I know that God is still in control.

01:43:00.560 And he's still on the throne.

01:43:01.980 So instead of putting my faith in institutions, organizations, political parties, maybe media, even leaders that I like,

01:43:17.060 I put my faith, my trust, where my real hope lies.

01:43:24.460 A higher purpose.

01:43:27.700 A higher calling.

01:43:29.100 That's it for me today.

01:43:30.620 Appreciate you being here.

01:43:31.540 Forget the good news.

01:43:32.300 My good newsletter, justinbarclay.com slash good news.

01:43:34.900 No matter what happens on social media or anywhere else after the beginning of the year, we can stay in touch.

01:43:40.780 That's it.

01:43:41.680 Happy New Year.

01:43:42.580 God bless.

01:43:43.820 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

The Glenn Beck Program - December 31, 2020

Will 2021 Just Be More of the Same？｜ 12⧸31⧸20

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The Glenn Beck Program - December 31, 2020

Will 2021 Just Be More of the Same？ ｜ 12⧸31⧸20

Episode Stats

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Will 2021 Just Be More of the Same？｜ 12⧸31⧸20