The Golden One - Astrology and Evola With Philosophicat

00:00:00.960 Greetings, my esteemed audience. Today we are joined by a woman who knows a thing or two about astrology, per your wishes and per my wishes as well.

00:00:13.400 So, without further ado, I would like to welcome Philosophy Cat to the show.

00:00:20.260 Thank you, Marcus. It's great to be here. I love to talk about astrology, so I'm very excited about this.

00:00:26.560 Hopefully, your audience will find this entertaining and enlightening.

00:00:31.500 All right, awesome. Yeah, let's get straight into it.

00:00:35.780 As is my custom, I usually like to ask about the origin story of guests.

00:00:43.340 So, if you could give Philosophy Cat origin story, primarily, actually, I want to hear how you got acquainted with Julius Evola.

00:00:52.100 You have, of course, made a very good series on his work, which everyone can check out.

00:01:00.200 And, yeah, how did you stumble upon the good Baron Evola, and how did you get into astrology?

00:01:06.580 I suppose they are interlinked, the story of how you got into Evola and the story of how you got into astrology.

00:01:13.980 So, yeah, give us a background story.

00:01:15.980 They definitely are linked. So, kind of in a nutshell, I've been a long-time student of philosophy.

00:01:23.420 I did my degree in political science, but I kind of focused on the political theory.

00:01:27.200 So, it's really more like a glorified philosophy degree than anything.

00:01:30.680 And, you know, I've been aware of Evola since the late 2000s, but I was really too young to appreciate him.

00:01:36.260 At that point, I didn't start seriously studying his work until about several years ago.

00:01:39.980 And I think my story in that regard is a fairly common one that a lot of people who come to this stuff seem to share.

00:01:46.540 So, I'd basically kind of like, I'd reached a crisis point in my life.

00:01:50.040 I didn't really know it at the time, but it was the beginning of the end of my atheist phase.

00:01:54.440 And I was no longer satisfied with just these purely material answers.

00:01:58.940 You know, they can only go so far, but they never really quite touched the root of the problem,

00:02:03.900 which was essentially a chronic nihilism and despair at that point.

00:02:07.600 It's just, you know, it's the sickness of the modern world, right?

00:02:10.820 Yeah.

00:02:10.980 And so, at the urging of one of my close friends, I picked up Evola's Doctrine of Awakening, his Buddhist text.

00:02:17.800 I'm sure you're familiar with that.

00:02:19.180 I think you've done a review on that.

00:02:20.700 Yeah, I read it during the summer, and I reviewed it.

00:02:23.780 And, of course, everyone, everyone of my esteemed subscribers here on YouTube and Odyssey,

00:02:28.740 they read all of my book reviews I've heard.

00:02:31.760 No, I'm joking.

00:02:32.700 I don't think that's the case.

00:02:34.040 I wish it were.

00:02:34.960 But, yeah, I did review it, and I found it really nice.

00:02:38.680 One of the most epic quotes.

00:02:41.000 I will actually read it now.

00:02:42.840 I'm sorry to interrupt your origin story.

00:02:45.040 But, so he describes Buddha, and I think this is a good, because you have this image of the Buddha as being a pudgy, well, a jolly and pudgy guy, to put it mildly.

00:03:02.700 But, here in...

00:03:04.560 Not great physique.

00:03:05.900 Yeah, exactly.

00:03:06.760 Not the best physique.

00:03:08.300 But, Evola here, he quotes the Jakarta.

00:03:11.880 And, in there, it says of the Buddha, the Enlightened One, that,

00:03:16.100 thou hast a perfect body, thou art resplendent, well-born, of noble aspect, thou hast a golden color and white teeth, thou art strong, all the signs that thou are of noble birth are in thy form, all the marks of a superior man.

00:03:32.340 So, that is how you should view the Buddha.

00:03:35.840 Yeah, anyway, great book.

00:03:37.040 So, sorry to interrupt.

00:03:38.480 Continue with the story.

00:03:40.240 It is a great book, and I would recommend everybody to read it, even if they're not into Buddhism.

00:03:45.360 Like, you don't have to be a Buddhist or interested in pursuing that path to get a lot out of the book, in terms of just what it outlines, as far as being, like, noble, being Aryan.

00:03:58.220 And, you know, but that book was, it was exactly what I needed at that time.

00:04:02.440 It really appealed to me, because Buddhism doesn't ask you to believe in anything.

00:04:07.820 It just says, here's the path, here's how to walk it, see what you find at the end.

00:04:11.240 And that was perfect for me, for where I was at, because I wasn't really at a place yet where I was ready to believe in anything.

00:04:17.780 You know, I was just coming out of, like, my atheism.

00:04:20.100 And so, I liked that it was just about my journey and the experiential wisdom gained from following the path.

00:04:26.800 And it was just a life-changing book for me.

00:04:29.160 I became a lot more interested after that in reading Evola's other work.

00:04:33.800 And so, if you then fast forward a few years, and I'm working on the Revolt Against the Modern World series on my channel,

00:04:38.860 and I'm putting in this huge amount of study into it, because if you want to teach something to someone else,

00:04:43.880 you have to understand it really well yourself.

00:04:46.040 So, not only was I making a deep study of Revolt, but also all of his other books,

00:04:50.320 because he references all of them in Revolt.

00:04:52.400 And at some point, you know, he also references, like, many other texts.

00:04:55.800 And I'm diving into all of those.

00:04:57.340 And one thing that I started to notice among all of this esoteric study is that astrological symbolism is in everything.

00:05:04.080 And I was quickly reaching a point where my existing astrological knowledge was just not sufficient to go further with this study.

00:05:11.580 And I've always been interested in astrology, but I never took it super seriously.

00:05:15.840 And it was now time to take it seriously.

00:05:18.420 What was it that the ancients thought was so important about this practice?

00:05:22.740 Like, I had to know more.

00:05:24.340 So, I started studying astrology more in depth, taking courses and stuff like that.

00:05:28.780 And I didn't initially intend to set up an astrology practice.

00:05:32.420 That just sort of happened organically.

00:05:34.300 I was mainly interested in getting this more nuanced understanding of the symbolism and the allegories.

00:05:39.300 And how does it all fit in with this divinely ordered cosmos?

00:05:43.800 But I will say, I am glad that I did start practicing as an astrologer,

00:05:47.580 because working with people's birth charts has also deepened my relationship to the planets and their cycles,

00:05:52.980 and allowed me to see real-world examples of this stuff actually at play in our mundane lives.

00:05:59.380 And then I also saw that there's actually this real need for this sort of service among the right,

00:06:04.320 because our people have very few options for where to turn when they need help and guidance.

00:06:11.020 Because almost every, you know, like, quote-unquote, helping industry,

00:06:14.120 like whether it's astrology or psychology or even churches or whatever,

00:06:17.400 it's all kind of been taken over by leftists.

00:06:20.700 And to steal a term of theirs, they don't exactly create, you know, safe spaces for people on the right,

00:06:26.180 especially young men, as you know.

00:06:28.620 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:30.280 I'm sure you hear a lot from young men about this kind of stuff.

00:06:34.460 I'm sure you get a lot of people reaching out to you looking for guidance.

00:06:37.340 And there's just, there really is nowhere else for them to go.

00:06:40.080 So, I kind of, I feel it's a little bit my civic duty.

00:06:44.020 I don't know that I'm necessarily, like, the best or most qualified person to be giving life advice to people,

00:06:49.060 but I can certainly say, you know, here's what your birth chart says,

00:06:51.860 and here's what tradition says, and you make your own choices.

00:06:55.920 Yeah, I mean, here's my perspective on astrology.

00:06:59.260 I suppose most of our listeners now saw my recent video where I acknowledged that astrology is real.

00:07:06.880 And one perspective that I kept in mind when I started thinking about it was that it was so important for the ancients.

00:07:17.100 So, it probably has some bearing even now.

00:07:20.340 And since I do believe, at least, that we do need in the great awakening of the European civilization,

00:07:29.420 revival of European civilization,

00:07:31.220 I do believe that the spiritual component is very important,

00:07:35.240 which is why I have started talking more about these matters.

00:07:40.620 So, yeah, definitely, it is important.

00:07:43.120 So, basically, to get into the main topic of astrology,

00:07:48.960 for anyone who is completely new to astrology,

00:07:51.580 perhaps we have a young listener here who has only heard of astrology in the context of, you know,

00:07:59.280 the star signs and everything like that, and hasn't really thought about it.

00:08:04.160 How would you, first and foremost, define astrology?

00:08:07.280 What is it when we talk about astrology?

00:08:09.700 And when we say that astrology is real, and we should study it, what exactly are we talking about?

00:08:14.560 Okay, well, so, obviously, like, most people just think of, like, newspaper horoscopes

00:08:20.540 that read, like, generic fortune cookies when they think of astrology.

00:08:23.520 And that is what most people only know of it.

00:08:26.400 So, I can forgive that because there just isn't really a lot of exposure to it beyond that for the average person.

00:08:32.140 But I'm hoping that anybody listening to this is probably aware that there's maybe a little bit more to it.

00:08:37.520 So, what is it exactly?

00:08:39.320 Without getting into all the technicalities of how you actually read a chart or anything like this,

00:08:43.720 the basic principle is this.

00:08:46.120 It's about light.

00:08:47.600 So, in Vedic astrology, it's called jyotish, and it means the science of light.

00:08:53.220 And this is probably a good framework in which to consider astrology.

00:08:57.360 So, first of all, it's a sacred science.

00:08:59.700 It's not a physical science, which is what most people mean when they say science.

00:09:03.640 And when they say that astrology is a pseudoscience, what they mean is that,

00:09:07.160 oh, it's just not a physical science, since that's the only way of knowing that is acceptable to the majority of modern minds.

00:09:13.660 And they're like, oh, astrology is a pseudoscience.

00:09:15.800 But astrology doesn't claim to be a physical science.

00:09:18.580 It is a sacred science.

00:09:19.880 So, that's our science part of the science of light.

00:09:22.180 The light part is that the concept of light bouncing around is very important in ancient astrology.

00:09:29.060 The modern astrologers seem to have left this behind almost entirely.

00:09:32.300 But the way that astrology works is essentially that what you're looking at is the divine power of the sun.

00:09:41.100 You're a Leo, right?

00:09:44.220 Yeah.

00:09:44.760 How did you know?

00:09:46.640 I feel like somebody told me that at some point.

00:09:50.260 Yeah.

00:09:50.840 You know, Blair told me.

00:09:54.580 I was friends with him.

00:09:56.120 He mentioned that to me once.

00:09:57.240 Yeah.

00:09:57.580 So, you'll probably like this because this is all about the sun, which is kind of, you know, it's your planet.

00:10:02.720 And in many cultures, the sun is considered the manifestation of the divine.

00:10:07.420 So, like in Egypt, they looked at the sun as the soul of the universe.

00:10:10.620 In the Vedic literature, it's called the eye of God.

00:10:12.940 But the principle is like just like our souls have the power of consciousness and it illuminates the body with life,

00:10:19.660 this is how the sun was considered in relation to the universe.

00:10:22.240 And that light of the sun shines out and sustains all life.

00:10:26.140 And in many of these ancient religious traditions, you also have this idea where the sun is representative of the supreme God.

00:10:32.880 And all other gods are just expansions or powers or emanations of that one supreme God, right?

00:10:39.180 So, the sun is considered the king of all planets.

00:10:42.460 And it's seen as a direct manifestation of the supreme force of creation.

00:10:46.400 It's seen as having unlimited power and effulgence that can just give and give and give without diminishing.

00:10:52.860 It has this very regal quality to it.

00:10:55.200 And for yourself and your listeners who are familiar with Evola, you know, you'll see where this solar symbolism,

00:11:01.380 this solar nature starts to fit into this concept of divine kingship.

00:11:04.920 It's also something that just features very prominently in mythology.

00:11:08.100 So, it's like, okay, this is a sign we need to at least pay some close attention to what the sun's doing, if nothing else.

00:11:13.840 But the life and the power of the sun, it shines throughout the universe.

00:11:18.480 The light then bounces off all the various physical objects.

00:11:21.840 It's hitting your physical body, but also your astral or subtle body.

00:11:25.000 And it has effects on that.

00:11:26.960 The sun was considered to be this powerful force that shines not only through the material realm,

00:11:32.260 but also through the supernatural realms, in some cases in the underworld.

00:11:35.840 So, it really touches all of creation, this divine light, so to speak.

00:11:40.700 So, for example, the rays of the sun will hit, say, like Mars, and it will then bounce off Mars and hit you.

00:11:47.920 Well, now that has a certain color, the rays of the sun are now being colored by these Mars-like qualities,

00:11:54.140 these warrior-type qualities that we associate with Mars, right?

00:11:57.200 Or it bounces from Venus to Saturn to Mercury and then to you.

00:12:00.160 And there's this extremely complex interplay of light bouncing around the universe and creating this web.

00:12:06.600 And you're caught in that web.

00:12:08.460 So, this is what is meant by the science of light.

00:12:10.860 How are you affected by the light of the sun as it bounces and bends and refracts around the universe?

00:12:15.820 And what does that say about our mundane lives down here on planet Earth?

00:12:21.700 And I saw in your video that you put out, admitting that astrology is real, you focused a lot on the moon.

00:12:29.780 Yeah.

00:12:30.560 And the moon also plays a big role in this because the moon is not only the second luminary in the sky,

00:12:36.580 but it also moves really quickly around the zodiac.

00:12:39.180 So, the moon is thought to govern over the material world.

00:12:41.740 You know, you'll sometimes hear our world referred to as the sublunary realm.

00:12:46.360 The moon collects and disseminates the light from the sun and the other planets.

00:12:50.240 It's weaving this intricate web.

00:12:51.960 It's like the spinner of this web, the spider that's going around connecting everything and then disseminating it all down to us.

00:12:58.340 So, however the moon goes, you know, so goes everything else.

00:13:01.400 And a lot of astrologers will pay special attention to the lunar cycles and their forecasting work for this reason.

00:13:07.480 So, sorry, did you have a question?

00:13:10.260 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:10.880 So, basically, to simplify matters, if then we have Mars, which I can only suppose imbues us with aggression and a quarrelsome nature,

00:13:24.220 would that be correct to say that if Mars hits us with aggressive energy, you have a more thumos, so to speak,

00:13:34.480 an inclination to fight and confront people?

00:13:38.520 Is that correct?

00:13:39.080 Well, one of the things that Mars is associated with is that conflict and aggression, but it's also associated with action and will in just like a more pure sense.

00:13:50.220 And that action and will can take on the aggressive nature, which is it is more likely to go that way with Mars because it's, you know, it's such a hot, excessive planet.

00:14:00.300 Mars tends to naturally go to excess in that way.

00:14:02.920 But it really depends on how Mars is configured in a person's chart.

00:14:07.900 So, you know, a person with Mars in Capricorn, where Mars is exalted, you're going to get a tempering of these more problematic qualities of Mars.

00:14:17.660 And you're just going to have a Mars that is actually willing to do some real productive work and can be quite a powerhouse.

00:14:24.220 If you put Mars in the opposite sign in Cancer, where it's in its fall, you're going to maybe get a Mars that is very passive aggressive, for example.

00:14:32.380 Oh, because it's natural abilities, it's natural way of wanting to express itself are being restricted by being in the temple of the moon and Mars and the moon are very, very opposite types of energies.

00:14:44.360 Right.

00:14:44.760 So now Mars has to play by the moon's rules and it can't do that.

00:14:48.380 So how does it express its action and its will?

00:14:50.760 Well, in a really passive aggressive way, for example.

00:14:53.320 Right, right.

00:14:54.080 So for a man, you should hope that Mars is allowed to express itself in a good action oriented manner.

00:15:03.180 But if it doesn't, yeah, I suppose it can be good for a man to know if he has that deficit in his astrological makeup, so to speak.

00:15:15.740 So he can, you know, if he is aware that he can act in a certain way, he can take measures to counteract it.

00:15:22.280 And by the same token, if he knows that, so I suppose if you do a reading for a guy and he has Mars in a good way, he can also sort of plan in certain activities in accord with the moon or the star faces.

00:15:37.660 Is that correct?

00:15:39.680 Yeah.

00:15:39.960 So one of the things that I would do with people, if they come in for a natal chart reading, usually when people come in for a reading, they've got some reason that they're coming.

00:15:48.460 Like there's something in their life that they're trying to figure out.

00:15:50.800 And those are the best kinds of readings.

00:15:53.380 It's nice to have that kind of context to work with rather than just kind of a general curiosity where it's kind of like, all right, like, why are you bothering the oracle with your just curiosity?

00:16:03.360 Like, do you have a problem or not?

00:16:05.320 Like, let's hear it.

00:16:07.100 But, you know, everybody has, you know, we all have our seven traditional planets in the chart.

00:16:12.600 We've all got them in different combinations, in different ways that they interact.

00:16:16.100 And we can certainly identify in a birth chart which planets are the ones causing the problem in your life and how can we potentially remediate that?

00:16:24.820 What are, you know, where else in your chart can you lean into in order to compensate for where the shortcomings are?

00:16:32.360 Or even when you have a debilitated planet in the chart, you know, it's not necessarily all bad.

00:16:37.540 It's just a different way of that planet expressing itself.

00:16:40.660 So how can you get the good out of a debilitated planet, for example?

00:16:45.100 I have a debilitated Mercury.

00:16:46.720 Would you guess that based on the way that I speak and write?

00:16:49.340 Probably not, you know.

00:16:51.200 No, no, I wouldn't. 0.99

00:16:52.580 It's, you know, and most people would look at a debilitated Mercury and be like, oh, she must be dumb. 0.97

00:16:57.840 She must have learning difficulties or something like that.

00:17:00.000 And it's like, no, I've just figured out how to make my Mercury do its best job with the situation that it has.

00:17:07.800 So it's not like it's not hopeless.

00:17:10.680 A lot of people will come in with charts that look really problematic, but they have a great attitude and they manage their chart really well and they have really positive lives.

00:17:20.820 And other people come in with charts that just look so easy breezy and their lives are falling apart.

00:17:25.580 So it's really, it's more about like, how do you manage it?

00:17:28.640 Like our job as individuals is to kind of figure out how to make all our planets like dance in harmony and stop stepping on each other's toes.

00:17:35.540 And some people do that better than others.

00:17:38.300 All right.

00:17:38.980 Yeah.

00:17:39.160 So if we take some, something like charisma, would you say that that's something that the gods give you via the stars?

00:17:48.500 Or do you have any take on charisma as a, what should you call it, a metaphysical force within certain individuals?

00:17:56.860 Yeah, I think that is definitely something that you could see in a birth chart.

00:18:01.100 However, you know, charisma, that's something I would typically relate to the sun.

00:18:05.980 So I have actually seen Leos come through my practice who I expected to be very flamboyant and charismatic and then I talk to them and they're like shy and timid and awkward.

00:18:17.120 And like, there's something seriously afflicting their solar quality that should be shining really bright.

00:18:24.460 And then it's like, okay, how do we unpack this?

00:18:27.460 What's caused this to happen and how can you actually gain access to your solar power again so that you can have that charisma and confidence that's naturally appropriate to a Leo, you know?

00:18:39.060 Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

00:18:41.060 Since we do live in the modern world where we are sort of like almost poisoned on so many fronts.

00:18:49.800 So I do believe that many charismatic individuals, they have their divine energy sort of hampered by, yeah, by a poor diet, by not getting enough actual sunlight, by not getting enough sleep and everything like that.

00:19:03.600 So I do also believe that it has a purely biological so that biological components that aren't correctly configured in a person's life, they will inhibit the ability to actually express the divine blessings that in other ages they could have gotten naturally, so to speak.

00:19:23.940 So keep that in mind for everyone who seeks to attain divine blessings that you have to take care of your temple, your body, your physique, you have to take care of everything like that, then you can allow the divine light to shine upon you.

00:19:39.040 So, yeah, but I recognize what you're saying that there are individuals who could, you can sort of see there is a divine spark in them, but because they're so pushed down, so downtrodden, a lot of guys, of course, they've been,

00:19:53.940 they've been mugged by pornography, so sort of their, their thumos is completely gone because they have been so, yeah, subject to this conditioning things.

00:20:05.940 Yeah, exactly. And I mean, sometimes, you know, somebody will, there are things that you can do to remediate planets in your chart that have to do with diet and lifestyle.

00:20:14.140 I mean, if somebody's got a really excessively problematic Mars in their chart, I'm going to probably say, you know, lay off the spicy foods.

00:20:20.920 That's aggravating your Mars quality, or if they have a really problematic Venus, so, you know, lay off the sweets.

00:20:27.920 Sometimes, you know, when a planet is going to excess or to detriment in somebody's chart like that, you can actually see it in their physical bodies and their mannerisms.

00:20:35.960 And that's always kind of a clue as to, you know, what might be going wrong and where the problem is.

00:20:42.300 All right, right. So can you, can you elaborate on the sweet tooth and Venus connection?

00:20:47.600 Oh, Venus is the planet of pleasure, joy, romance, love, harmony.

00:20:55.180 So when you have a Venus that is going to excess in the chart, you will often get hedonistic indulgences of some kind or another.

00:21:04.460 So for with food, it's often going to be a sweet tooth, but it could also be something like, as you mentioned, a porn addiction.

00:21:10.340 It could be something like that as well. So those are all the kind of things that you want to look at.

00:21:16.120 And interestingly enough, you know, you mentioned like the porn addiction kind of lowering a man's thumos.

00:21:22.420 And that's kind of like, that's an, that's a Venus problem there.

00:21:27.960 Well, the way that you mitigate that is to lean more into the Mars and to reinvigorate that vitality and that, that male virility through, through the Mars aspect and kind of pull back away from some of those Venusian indulgences.

00:21:44.280 Really interesting stuff. So just to move on to a question for, for those who are new again, a question here, how is it possible for the planets to affect us?

00:21:57.380 Is it gravity or something else? If you could elaborate on, on that.

00:22:02.280 Okay. So we've talked about how the light kind of bounces around and this sort of like colors our experiences of the world, right? Let's just, let's back up kind of back to that idea.

00:22:13.820 The planets, the zodiac signs, the houses, you know, they're all qualities of this absolute truth manifesting in the universe, right?

00:22:20.380 Each of these things is going to be a strainer for a particular quality of God, right?

00:22:25.080 So you take Jupiter, for example, it's straining out one particular quality of God, bringing that quality to the forefront.

00:22:30.540 And then these various qualities kind of like shine down upon us in this complex webbing of solar rays.

00:22:36.160 So when you're born and your birth chart is cast for the moment, you take your first breath.

00:22:40.640 I know some people are like, oh, but I was born by C-section. Doesn't matter. First breath.

00:22:44.380 It's capturing a snapshot of that solar webbing that your soul had to pass through to descend into materiality.

00:22:50.080 And you're taking on this unique blend of qualities in your current embodiment.

00:22:53.320 So think of it kind of like this. Imagine that your soul is sitting outside this ever-turning wheel of the zodiac.

00:23:00.960 And you can think of this as basically like the churning of samsara, if you want to take the Buddhist analogy or the current materiality, the wheel of fortune, whatever you want to call it.

00:23:09.760 As soon as your soul sees something it desires in the material world, it drops into that wheel.

00:23:14.080 All the desires and actions and outcomes take shape according to these cycles of energy.

00:23:18.160 You know, it's karma, essentially.

00:23:21.100 We project ourselves through our cravings into this turning wheel.

00:23:24.500 And as soon as we do, we become bound by the same cosmic cycles and rules that determine when a flower will bloom or what happens when one person does something to another.

00:23:34.900 That's your conditioned existence in the world.

00:23:37.620 And then, you know, you'll have your house placements, which kind of represent the ways in which they become concretized in your day-to-day existence.

00:23:44.540 For anyone who doesn't know, the houses refer to very specific areas of our lives, such as, you know, marriage, career, money, things like that.

00:23:51.700 That's where an accurate birth time becomes really important because that's how your houses are determined.

00:23:55.880 And that's what gives you a very unique chart, different to a person who may have only been born an hour before you.

00:24:01.300 You'll have a very different chart.

00:24:02.480 So, you know, speaking of that, just a quick question.

00:24:05.900 How accurate does it need to be?

00:24:07.880 Does it need to be on the minute or can it be like 10 minutes here and 10 minutes there or how?

00:24:12.460 Depends what you're doing.

00:24:14.340 But generally, with Hellenistic astrology, I use whole sign houses.

00:24:19.020 So, you know, within 15 minutes, as long as it's not like bordering on a cusp.

00:24:23.020 Like right now, I've got somebody who's got a very cusp-y ascendant.

00:24:27.520 She's not sure what time she was born.

00:24:29.660 And we're having a really hard time rectifying her chart because even a 15-minute difference changes her chart dramatically.

00:24:36.540 But usually that's not the case.

00:24:38.300 For most people, just knowing like, you know, it was around 7 or 7.30 or whatever, right?

00:24:43.740 Like that's usually sufficient.

00:24:46.700 Occasionally we get a case where it isn't.

00:24:48.800 But, you know, so we've got this sort of like as above, so below sort of thing going on.

00:24:54.800 And it's not that the planets cause things to happen or that we're affected by their gravitational pull, which is a really common misconception.

00:25:03.340 The planets were understood to be the stars of the gods, but not the gods themselves.

00:25:08.120 So they can indicate the will of the gods and the movements of the planets illustrate like this inherent mandala of creation.

00:25:15.180 So in that sense, they're more like omens rather than causes.

00:25:18.800 And we can look at the patterns of the planets to understand better the cosmic rhythms that we're all subjected to, you know, or another way of thinking about the planets is that they're offering us a testimony or a witness to the kind of things that will happen in our lives or as administrators of fate and karma.

00:25:36.900 So that's essentially how it works.

00:25:38.980 It's not that the planets make you do anything or that they are an agent of cause and you're subject to their effects.

00:25:48.580 But there is a certain cosmic cycle that is occurring and those planets participate in that cycle.

00:25:56.000 And so do we.

00:25:56.860 But the planets have very neat and tidy cycles that are not encumbered by human emotions and relationships and day-to-day mundane crap.

00:26:06.180 So we can look at the planets and we can see those patterns much more clearly than what we can see them in our own individual lives.

00:26:12.800 And neither are those planets affected by like an individual person's birth chart.

00:26:17.220 You know, that always is going to color things too.

00:26:19.300 It's one thing to like track the transits of the planet.

00:26:22.680 It's another thing to try to figure out what the cycles are based on how they're impacting your own personal birth chart, which is going to make it a little bit, well, a lot messier.

00:26:31.420 All right. Awesome.

00:26:32.660 So another question.

00:26:34.960 So your chart is determined by your birth.

00:26:38.520 How is it that it's determined by your birth and not by the time of conception?

00:26:43.560 That's a really good question.

00:26:45.100 I know a lot of people, like especially in Vedic astrology, they often tend to kind of favor conception stuff.

00:26:51.500 But how can you pinpoint when that occurs?

00:26:54.080 Even modern science can't tell you exactly when that occurs.

00:26:58.860 You know, you also have babies who are born early, born late, born by C-section.

00:27:04.540 Like there's just so many different ways and different time frames in which a human being can come into the world.

00:27:11.700 And I like the idea of, you know, the first breath is your first moment completely independent of your mother.

00:27:20.020 The cord has been cut.

00:27:21.440 You are your own person now.

00:27:23.100 You have your own body.

00:27:24.700 You have to live on your own now.

00:27:27.100 Whereas when you're in the mother's womb, is there some way in which she is shielding you from these cosmic influences?

00:27:33.700 You know, maybe oftentimes transits to the mother's birth chart can indicate things about how the pregnancy or the labor will go.

00:27:42.100 That tends to be something more impactful to the mother, but then will often show up in the baby's birth chart when it's born.

00:27:47.380 For example, a baby that I know of was it was quite a traumatic birth emergency rushing to the hospital kind of thing.

00:27:56.300 And this was, you know, his mother had to have an emergency C-section.

00:28:01.220 And this is reflected in his birth chart with Mars on the Ascendant, a very bloody, brutal entry into the world.

00:28:08.420 Right, right.

00:28:09.420 So it's really interesting how these things happen.

00:28:11.860 And sometimes you'll even kind of see these echoes of family karma in birth charts of relatives.

00:28:17.400 Yeah.

00:28:18.740 So you mentioned, to jump on to another question, you mentioned Hellenic and Vedic astrology.

00:28:27.000 What would be the main differences between the two?

00:28:30.700 Okay, so these systems are quite different from each other.

00:28:35.680 So Vedic versus Hellenistic, these are kind of like the two main forms of ancient astrology.

00:28:41.620 And it would be really easy to think that they must have a lot of similarities.

00:28:45.140 And they definitely do have some similarities in terms of the philosophy behind it.

00:28:49.500 Some aspects of Hellenistic astrology have been borrowed directly from Vedic astrology or reconstructed from it.

00:28:55.800 But the primary difference, and it's a big one, is that they use different zodiacs.

00:29:00.260 And this has to do with the procession of the equinoxes.

00:29:02.880 So roughly, because the Earth is tilted on its axis, the signs and the stars don't stay in exactly the same position.

00:29:13.480 So roughly every 2200 years, the sign that is rising at the spring equinox changes.

00:29:19.320 So Vedic astrology uses what's called the sidereal zodiac.

00:29:22.800 And their system is designed to roughly match the constellations in the sky.

00:29:27.160 They are taking into account this procession of the equinoxes.

00:29:30.240 But Hellenistic astrology uses what's called the tropical zodiac or the western zodiac.

00:29:35.160 And this is tied to the seasons.

00:29:37.560 So initially, the tropical and the sidereal zodiacs were the same.

00:29:40.580 But as time marched on, of course, they got out of alignment.

00:29:44.040 So in the Hellenistic system, the sign of Aries always marks the spring equinox, regardless of what sign is actually rising at that time.

00:29:52.780 And upon hearing this, most people assume, well, the sidereal zodiac used by the Vedics must obviously be the correct one,

00:29:58.300 because isn't astrology supposed to match the sky?

00:30:00.920 Or they'll claim that astrology is invalid because of this, not realizing that the ancients did, in fact, know about precession.

00:30:07.200 And, you know, there was this kind of conscious choice as to which zodiac to use.

00:30:10.800 So let's kind of try to break this down a little bit.

00:30:13.660 First of all, the constellations are widely varying sizes.

00:30:17.600 And they came to initially just kind of denote general areas of the zodiac.

00:30:21.860 And then this was later refined into 12, 30 degree segments of the zodiacal circle.

00:30:26.880 And one thing that any student of Esoterica will notice pretty early on, I'm sure you have as well,

00:30:32.240 is that math is actually quite important in the ancient sacred sciences.

00:30:36.900 So the zodiac comes to represent the mathematical perfect circle.

00:30:42.340 360 degrees, 12 signs, 30 degrees in each signs.

00:30:46.140 That, of course, is already not matching the sky.

00:30:49.900 But the math is beautiful.

00:30:51.760 And I think you could make the case that the math is in itself this very pure divine language, so to speak.

00:30:58.580 And there's a lot of math involved in astrology.

00:31:01.820 So I personally prefer the tropical zodiac.

00:31:04.320 I use the Hellenistic system.

00:31:06.220 And this is the one that lines up with the seasons.

00:31:08.520 Why do I do that?

00:31:09.420 Because it's about the mathematical principles that underlie it,

00:31:12.660 not whether or not the stars have apparently drifted.

00:31:16.460 Just because the stars appear to have moved doesn't mean we start moving the mathematical slices of the pie of the zodiac around,

00:31:23.160 because that math is really foundational to how these things are measured.

00:31:27.120 And that's not to say that both zodiacs can't have value,

00:31:29.800 because they are both attempting to convey a symbolic language.

00:31:33.480 I guess you could, you know, you could even think of them as different dialects of the language of heaven.

00:31:37.800 But the reason I prefer the tropical over the sidereal zodiac is for those mathematical and philosophical reasons,

00:31:44.160 because it seems to me like the sidereal is putting the cart before the horse,

00:31:48.420 because empirical reality is something that, in my opinion, feel free to disagree,

00:31:54.760 emanates from the metaphysical realm of forms.

00:31:56.960 And therefore, materiality is rooted in that higher eternal pattern.

00:32:01.220 This pattern is reflected in the math, in the synodic cycles of the cosmos.

00:32:05.840 So the seasons don't define the zodiac, but the zodiac defines the seasons,

00:32:09.940 because the seasons are the material emanation of something metaphysical.

00:32:14.140 Again, it's kind of that idea of the divine mandala, right?

00:32:18.280 Yeah.

00:32:18.480 Yeah, if you give empirical reality primacy over the symbolic, you know,

00:32:23.620 that doesn't really make sense to me in that context.

00:32:26.280 And that seems to be what the sidereal zodiac is doing by emphasizing the material and visible world of the night sky.

00:32:32.640 The metaphysical defines the physical, not the other way around.

00:32:35.660 And the sidereal is looking at empirical reality and then trying to extract the symbolic patterns from that

00:32:40.340 in like this sort of bottom up way.

00:32:42.360 And tropical is looking more at the symbolic patterns and then looks for how it's reflected in material reality.

00:32:47.800 This more like top-down approach.

00:32:50.620 All right.

00:32:50.980 So another quick question about a really big topic, but I just thought to ask,

00:32:56.480 since I saw recently on Telegram there were some discussions regarding Platonism,

00:33:00.860 Platonism and heathenism, paganism.

00:33:04.060 Do you have any thoughts?

00:33:05.160 Are you a Platonist?

00:33:06.400 Do you adhere to Plato?

00:33:08.480 Well, Platonistic philosophy informs a lot of astrology.

00:33:12.280 You know, Plato was a big fan of Pythagoras and all of the Pythagorean numerical stuff.

00:33:18.020 Features in a lot of the astrological math.

00:33:21.460 I'm not a super serious student of Plato.

00:33:24.140 I like Plato.

00:33:25.040 I have read a lot of it, but I certainly haven't gone as in-depth with it as I have with Evola,

00:33:29.940 just because I'm making videos about Evola, not about Plato.

00:33:33.960 But, you know, I do tend to lean more towards that kind of metaphysical framework.

00:33:41.780 So, yeah.

00:33:43.140 All right.

00:33:43.520 Okay, cool.

00:33:44.980 So I misspoke.

00:33:47.280 I said Hellenic, but it should be Hellenistic, of course. 1.00

00:33:50.560 And that led me to mention Hermes Trismegistus, if I pronounce that somewhat correctly.

00:33:57.720 He is then sort of like a god, a historical god of some sort.

00:34:02.660 But he said as above, so below, if I'm correct.

00:34:06.920 Yes, yes.

00:34:07.740 Those are the, that's one of the hermetic principles, this as above, so below.

00:34:11.920 Hermes Trismegistus was thought to be the founder of astrology, kind of a mysterious figure.

00:34:16.640 There's a lot of debate as to like who he was, whether he was actually real.

00:34:21.040 Was he a god or an incarnation of a god?

00:34:26.360 You know, again, not something I've studied like super in depth, so I probably can't give

00:34:30.920 you like a full-on dialogue about him.

00:34:33.480 But he is related to Mercury as a planet and all of that kind of like, you know, science-y,

00:34:43.780 like exchanging of information, understanding the cosmos.

00:34:47.220 Like that's all like very mercurial stuff.

00:34:50.680 Yeah.

00:34:52.000 All right.

00:34:53.060 Moving on with the questions.

00:34:56.480 So this could be asked by a skeptic, a skeptic of astrology might ask, how can astrology be

00:35:02.260 real when twins are so different?

00:35:04.980 If they are different, I haven't encountered any twins that are different, but perhaps some

00:35:09.560 twins are, I don't know.

00:35:10.840 But yeah, go ahead and respond if you, if you will.

00:35:13.820 Yeah.

00:35:14.840 So the first thing I would recommend to anybody who is really interested in like the astrology

00:35:19.340 of twins, the astrology podcast actually has a whole episode specifically on that.

00:35:24.080 And I think it's like two hours long where they just go really in depth with it.

00:35:27.420 But a lot of people say, you know, especially parents of twins will say that their, their

00:35:31.880 kids are like so different from each other.

00:35:33.800 And it's like, but they were born within minutes of each other usually and have like really similar

00:35:38.520 birth charts, like almost identical.

00:35:40.100 And, you know, you might be like, well, if their lives are so different, their personalities

00:35:46.260 are so different, like what's going on here?

00:35:49.000 And the answer to that is essentially like in its most basic form, a birth chart has a

00:35:57.140 number of options for how those signatures will express themselves.

00:36:01.440 So let's say you've got a set of twins and they've got, I don't know, moon square Mars

00:36:10.420 or something like that in their chart, right?

00:36:12.840 Well, one of those twins might experience that aspect as a lot of conflict with their mother.

00:36:18.820 The other one might experience that as they have like a terrible accident that seriously

00:36:24.720 injures them.

00:36:25.340 Both of those are like moon, Mars kind of things, but there's this range of options and the birth

00:36:32.500 chart starts to narrow down those range of options.

00:36:35.080 But, you know, these are two different people.

00:36:37.540 They're not living their lives identically.

00:36:40.820 They are doing different things at different times.

00:36:43.060 They're taking different paths in some way.

00:36:45.180 And as they do that, the birth chart is going to start to reflect that within the context of

00:36:50.200 their lives.

00:36:51.720 All right.

00:36:52.000 Right.

00:36:52.600 Does that make sense?

00:36:53.480 Yes, definitely, definitely.

00:36:56.060 It does.

00:36:56.760 At least if I can meditate upon it a bit longer.

00:37:01.680 But yeah, definitely.

00:37:03.880 So speaking of which, I also thought to ask about the zodiacs and stuff like that.

00:37:10.500 So we said that charisma can be a solar quality and the Leo star sign is connected to the sun.

00:37:18.280 But it doesn't really apply to all humans.

00:37:24.440 Do you need to have a certain level of divine energy within you to be able to access the powers

00:37:31.940 of your zodiac?

00:37:32.860 I can only imagine, you know, not everyone born in July and August during the time of Leo.

00:37:42.720 They aren't charismatic.

00:37:44.020 So does it apply?

00:37:46.020 Does astrology apply to everyone?

00:37:47.860 Or is it only certain individuals who can access these powers?

00:37:52.460 Yeah, I would say that, yes, they do apply to everybody.

00:37:58.180 We're all subject to the same karmic laws while we're on this earth, for the most part.

00:38:02.580 You know, that kind of gets into discussions about fate versus free will and all of that.

00:38:06.240 But, you know, there are a lot of different ways for a signature and a birth chart to manifest.

00:38:09.880 Like we just talked about with twins or, you know, I don't know, take Mars and Leo, for instance.

00:38:14.960 Are you going to get somebody who is the kind of leader who inspires his men and rides into battle with them,

00:38:19.740 like Aragorn in Lord of the Rings, or are you going to get somebody who's a bully and a petty tyrant?

00:38:24.620 You know, both of those are options for Mars and Leo to manifest.

00:38:27.900 But which expression a person gets is going to depend on other factors in their birth chart,

00:38:32.320 their life environment, their overall character.

00:38:35.980 You know, like take Leo as a sign, for instance.

00:38:40.060 What is the sign of Leo about, right?

00:38:43.500 Well, it's the fire temple of the sun.

00:38:45.980 It's a fixed sign.

00:38:48.700 It's very, it's got this loyalty, regality, this authority, but also like lust and jealousy and tyranny and arrogance.

00:39:00.660 And like where along the spectrum is a Leo going to fall?

00:39:04.240 There's, this is a sign in which, you know, this time of the year, the light is sustained, but steadily and slowly decreasing.

00:39:13.720 And so there is this association with Leo with the need for transcendence amid impermanence and inevitable future loss.

00:39:23.560 You know, the autumn is coming and then winter, like this is kind of the last hurrah for the summer sun.

00:39:28.540 So all of the themes of Leo are associated with the sun, you know, rulerships and kings and transcendent and spirit and eternity.

00:39:36.740 But there's always the possibility for those themes within the material world to become perverted.

00:39:41.560 And then rather than authority, you have tyranny and rather than regality, you have arrogance and rather than nobility and transcendence, you have lust and cravings for fame.

00:39:51.280 You know, it's the same principles, but it's being perverted through this not being aware of our spiritual nature and the spiritual virtues in life.

00:39:58.760 And when those virtues aren't at work in life, you know, the strong solar disposition in the chart can devolve into those qualities.

00:40:06.120 So there very much is like an environmental component here.

00:40:09.840 Like, were you raised with like good morals?

00:40:12.360 Were you raised with some spiritual awareness of yourself?

00:40:15.660 Or are you just one of these people who's obsessed with the material world?

00:40:19.760 So, like, with Leo, you know, it's a sign that's interested in legacy and fame and nobility.

00:40:29.180 Archetypically speaking, Leo is trying to sustain the light amidst the presence of death and darkness.

00:40:34.860 Leo wants to live on forever.

00:40:36.600 And that's the delusion of fame and the legacy we have in the material sense.

00:40:40.400 You know, why do we want to be famous and rise above other people?

00:40:43.500 We think that way because, you know, we don't want to be irrelevant.

00:40:46.020 We don't want to be forgotten by history.

00:40:47.400 We don't want to be marginalized.

00:40:48.380 We want to be at the center.

00:40:50.400 And Leo has the sense of that soul's inherent dignity and pride and certainty of purpose.

00:40:57.440 But whenever a person is kind of falling away from those pure qualities of Leo or any other sign, you're going to start getting a more degenerated version of it.

00:41:08.600 So, like, for example, I'll say this.

00:41:12.080 Most of my client base for my professional practice are right-wing men, like 80%.

00:41:19.520 I would say that's extremely unusual in the astrological world to have that many male clients.

00:41:24.720 Yeah, I can imagine.

00:41:25.900 Very, very unusual.

00:41:27.040 Most of them are, like, predominantly female clients.

00:41:29.380 And of those men, I would say more than half have prominent Sagittarius placements, especially Sagittarius rising, as well as a preponderance of, like, fourth, sixth, and ninth house placements.

00:41:41.880 So, with Sagittarius, we see the same thing.

00:41:45.720 There's this search for a higher meaning with Sagittarius.

00:41:49.240 But if they don't have those spiritual principles guiding them, they tend to fall into this hedonistic nihilism.

00:41:54.860 You know, they're seekers.

00:41:55.820 And they tend to look for meaning in something bigger than they are.

00:41:59.660 But if they don't have that spiritual framework in which to do that, then you get, like, the traveling backpacking nomad who's just out to have a good time drinking ayahuasca in the Andes or whatever, right?

00:42:12.300 Yeah.

00:42:12.800 You know, we all know the type.

00:42:15.020 And interestingly, you know, with Sagittarius risings, they have Leo ruling their ninth house of higher-minded things, spirituality, philosophy.

00:42:22.120 And so, it's not really all that surprising that they'd be attracted to, like, an Evolian philosophy that's really highlighting the solar nature of spirituality.

00:42:29.780 And then it's no surprise that that makes up my client base.

00:42:33.040 And then, you know, with the fourth house people, they're the ones very interested in ancestry, roots, family, heritage.

00:42:39.160 We get sixth house people who are a lot more likely to be activists in some way, like, really putting themselves out there.

00:42:45.360 Really, they like the fight.

00:42:46.740 And then the ninth house people, you know, they're often the ones who are, like, very interested in, like, the intellectual discourse of the sociocultural wars.

00:42:54.600 Or they're, like, really seriously seeking out a spiritual path in some way.

00:42:59.060 And that's kind of just regardless of what sign is governing in those houses.

00:43:02.140 It's just a general trend that these houses come up a lot among my clients.

00:43:06.660 So, it's been really interesting to notice and also to compare that with some of the more normie clients that I get coming through because I do get some.

00:43:16.400 And, yeah, I mean, in that sense, there are certain things in a person's chart that might mark them out as, you know, being somebody who's a little bit more switched on versus being an NPC.

00:43:24.480 Yeah.

00:43:25.740 So, quick question.

00:43:27.300 Could you just elaborate quickly on when you say houses, what dost thou mean?

00:43:33.000 So, there are 12 slices of the pie, which we give to the signs.

00:43:39.160 And in Hellenistic astrology, we use whole sign houses.

00:43:42.180 So, whatever sign is rising on the ascendant, that entire sign is the entire first house.

00:43:48.920 And each of these 12 houses rules a particular area of life.

00:43:53.480 This is kind of how we concretize things.

00:43:55.260 Like, it doesn't mean much to say that you're a Leo sun.

00:43:58.740 But if we say, well, you're a Leo sun and Leo is your seventh house, and we say, oh, well, the focus of this person's life is going to be always kind of their plot lines always going to be kind of coming back to relationships.

00:44:11.320 And that's going to be kind of like the driving theme in their life versus somebody who's got a 10th house Leo sun.

00:44:16.740 We say, okay, well, that person's probably really going to want to put themselves out there in the world, and their public image is going to be a lot more important to them.

00:44:23.860 And so, this is kind of why the houses are very important.

00:44:27.660 Modern astrology tends to prefer using Placidus houses, which chop up the chart, and you get houses crossing sign boundaries and intercepted signs and all this kind of crap that doesn't make sense.

00:44:38.520 But, you know, I don't want to rag on modern astrology too much, because there are some out there that I like, and I don't want to offend them, but I don't have a super high opinion of modern astrology.

00:44:50.140 I actually thought to ask you about bashing modern astrology.

00:44:54.040 So, you can do it if you want.

00:44:55.820 If not, then not.

00:44:57.820 Yeah, well, let's do that, because I think most people who are aware of astrology have only really been exposed to modern astrology,

00:45:04.340 because that's what's been popular in the West, you know, for the last century.

00:45:10.020 But, you know, both are using the tropical zodiacs, so we don't have that issue that we had with the Vedic astrology.

00:45:15.620 We can set that aside.

00:45:16.600 But to understand modern astrology, we need to understand a little bit of history.

00:45:19.800 So, first of all, it's only been fairly recently that a lot of the ancient astrological source texts have been translated.

00:45:27.280 We just didn't have access to them before.

00:45:29.480 And when the theosophical and spiritualist movement started kind of reviving interest in astrology, they didn't have access to those source texts.

00:45:37.320 And as a result, modern astrologers were really left trying to just figure out on their own the rationale for astrological principles.

00:45:46.200 And, you know, not only did they not have source texts, but in most cases, they didn't even have like a good esoteric frame of reference.

00:45:52.500 Like they just they were not taking a solidly academic approach to this.

00:45:57.000 It was a lot of it was like just by feels.

00:45:59.460 And so modern astrology seems to have become this weird monstrosity of pseudo Jungian evolutionary psychology dressed up with astrological jargon.

00:46:11.820 And apparently the only way to be good at modern astrology is to be a psychic or intuitive or whatever other new age craft they want to throw at you.

00:46:18.640 And many of the principles of their craft are literally just made up.

00:46:22.700 Like I'm not exaggerating here.

00:46:24.320 Alan Leo, who's considered one of the founding fathers of modern astrology, he just decided to give the outer planets rulership because he just felt like that's how it should be.

00:46:34.560 I'm not making that up.

00:46:35.620 That's not an exaggeration.

00:46:36.800 His only rationale was his feels.

00:46:39.240 I just feel that Uranus should rule Aquarius.

00:46:42.320 He was like he didn't know that the ancients actually had this system of planetary rulerships that was foundational to how the whole system works.

00:46:50.740 And if you pull out this thread of root of and say, like, well, I don't think Saturn should rule Aquarius.

00:46:55.740 Let's make it Uranus.

00:46:56.820 Now your whole tapestry is becoming like unraveled.

00:46:59.440 But interestingly, he was charged and convicted of fraud quite a few times because his astrological practice left a lot of unsatisfied customers.

00:47:08.720 But in other, you know, you also have cases of like modern astrologers, they have in some ways really made an effort to try to explain things.

00:47:18.100 And they and one of the things that's very foundational to their practice is what's called the 12 letter alphabet.

00:47:24.460 And they've equated signs, planets and houses, just to put it really simplistically.

00:47:29.320 So, for example, they'll say something like the third house equals Gemini equals Mercury.

00:47:34.160 And you ask why?

00:47:35.420 And all you get is this circular reason.

00:47:37.720 Like, why is the third house related to Gemini?

00:47:40.340 Oh, because the third house is about communication.

00:47:42.840 OK, so why is that linked to Gemini?

00:47:44.640 Oh, because of Mercury, they'll say.

00:47:46.080 But why is Mercury linked to the third house?

00:47:48.340 Because of communication.

00:47:49.800 And it will just go round and round like that.

00:47:52.260 Like, it's so frustrating.

00:47:54.760 And they can't explain it any other way.

00:47:58.520 And fortunately, now we have texts that tell us otherwise.

00:48:01.540 But modern astrologers seem to really be clinging to their poorly constructed system and in general seem very reluctant to delve into the actual philosophy behind astrology and actually like just even learn correct delineation techniques.

00:48:13.540 Because it's hard.

00:48:14.400 Like, there's not going to lie.

00:48:16.060 If you guys want to get interested in astrology, there's a pretty steep learning curve.

00:48:20.060 Once you get past that curve, it's pretty smooth sailing.

00:48:22.220 But it's difficult.

00:48:24.000 And in this, I really become very much a scientist.

00:48:27.800 If your system is solid, you should be able to teach your method to someone else.

00:48:32.040 And they should be able to repeat your experiment and get the same result.

00:48:35.400 And modern astrology seems to struggle with this.

00:48:37.920 And all of this new agey stuff that has been grafted onto it tries to deflect accountability by making it seem like it's just intuitive.

00:48:45.340 And, oh, you just have to feel the chart.

00:48:48.260 That's not what ancient astrology taught at all.

00:48:51.320 To me, I don't really consider modern astrology to be real astrology, which isn't to say that you couldn't get a good reading from a modern astrologer.

00:49:01.520 But what they're doing is not anything like what was taught in ancient times.

00:49:08.840 And, you know, I wouldn't really consider it appropriate for, you know, timing rituals or anything like that, probably.

00:49:15.780 But if you just want to go and get your astrological Myers-Briggs done, you know, they could probably help you with that.

00:49:21.420 Um, you will get very different readings from, like, modern versus Vedic versus Hellenistic, though.

00:49:27.480 Like, and that doesn't mean that astrology doesn't work.

00:49:30.600 It's, um, in that sense, it's more like any divinatory science.

00:49:35.120 The oracle will kind of find a way to speak in a meaningful way. 0.92

00:49:38.440 But astrology does seem to be very much a closed system where you tend not to get great results if you start picking and mixing from different types of astrology.

00:49:47.220 Um, you know, I think you could get a worthwhile reading from any type of astrologer if they're good at what they do, but they're all going to be looking at your chart through their own lens.

00:49:55.820 And it's kind of like, if I ask your best friend to describe you to me, and then I ask your mom to describe you to me, they're both describing the same person, but they're going to have really different things to say because their relationships to you are so different.

00:50:07.040 Does that make sense?

00:50:08.920 Yeah, yeah, definitely.

00:50:10.660 All right.

00:50:11.200 So, hopefully that answers your questions.

00:50:13.400 Uh, yeah, I mean, uh, honestly, it's, it's a bit, um, uh, since I'm so new to this, uh, still a lot to take in, uh, but, uh, it's interesting stuff.

00:50:23.960 So, uh, and of course I will continue my astrological studies.

00:50:27.980 So in a year when I listen to this interview again, uh, it will make a lot more sense.

00:50:32.720 But yeah, I thought to mention something since you, you mentioned theosophy there and, uh, Julius Evola, he was not a fan of the theosophists.

00:50:42.280 And, uh, Madame Helena Blavatsky, uh, do you have any, uh, do you want to talk about them a bit?

00:50:49.420 It's always fun to, to bash, uh, new age hippie magicians.

00:50:54.680 Well, I think one of the biggest red flags about theosophy is their long time association with organizations like the United Nations.

00:51:02.420 Like they are very much a globalist type of, um, ideology.

00:51:08.800 They, I, to me, I'm kind of like, you know, look at the fruits of what any spirituality teaches.

00:51:16.700 And when I look at the fruits of theosophy, I see a lot of really questionable stuff and a lot of really unethical stuff.

00:51:23.460 Um, like, you know, what they did to J. Krishnamurti.

00:51:26.760 Um, also just the fact that everybody who seemed to join up with theosophy claimed to be clairvoyant.

00:51:32.100 It's like, huh?

00:51:33.000 So suddenly there's just like this influx of clairvoyance into the world and they all just happen to be theosophists.

00:51:38.640 Interesting.

00:51:39.340 What are the odds?

00:51:40.420 So, you know, um, but it's, it's very sync, sync, syncretic, syncretistic.

00:51:46.920 I'm not, I can't remember which is the right word to use, but there is a lot of picking and mixing going on and disregard for like real traditional principles.

00:51:54.500 Um, it, it is very much the origins of the new age movement.

00:51:58.940 And it's, I mean, it's perfect for, you know, the modern Kali Yuga person. 0.97

00:52:03.540 It's very, um, it's very feminized. 0.75

00:52:06.740 It's very in the fields and it's just very subversive.

00:52:09.220 And I, you know, I did look into some of their astrological stuff.

00:52:12.940 Like I've looked into Alice Bailey's esoteric astrology and just kind of largely found it to be like kind of hokey.

00:52:18.680 Like I just, maybe somebody brighter than I could get something out of it.

00:52:23.420 But I was just like, well, what is this?

00:52:25.360 Like, why would you just make this stuff up?

00:52:28.020 Like what purpose does this serve?

00:52:30.920 And, and more to the point, where are you getting this information from?

00:52:34.360 If you go and read Evela, every, his books are heavily footnoted.

00:52:39.080 Yeah.

00:52:39.680 He tells you where he's getting this from.

00:52:41.680 Oh, this idea is from the Vedas.

00:52:43.500 This idea is from Islam.

00:52:45.580 This idea is from some primitive tribe that nobody's ever heard of, but he cites his sources.

00:52:51.360 Theosophy doesn't do that.

00:52:53.120 Theosophy sources are the ascended masters.

00:52:55.800 Well, who are these?

00:52:57.640 How do we know that these are just like demonic entities that you're interfacing with?

00:53:01.460 Like that doesn't, that seems really sus to me.

00:53:04.180 I'm going to, I'm going to stay far away from that myself.

00:53:07.580 Yeah.

00:53:08.060 That sounds like a reasonable course of action.

00:53:10.420 And, and we can recommend our listeners here as well to stay clear of such heretics. 1.00

00:53:16.620 So anyway, we're coming up almost to an hour and yeah, it's been a lot of, a lot of interesting insights.

00:53:24.000 And as I said, I will continue to delve deeper into this and maybe we can have another conversation in a year or so when I can ask you some more in-depth and or interesting questions.

00:53:36.140 Yeah, definitely.

00:53:37.480 The introductory ones.

00:53:38.520 It is tough to talk about astrology because of that learning curve.

00:53:42.740 And it's like, how do you talk about this stuff that necessarily requires you to use all this jargon?

00:53:48.240 But now you have to explain what it is that that means to people so that they've got a frame of reference.

00:53:53.200 And there is, there always seems to be a bit of it that's going to go over the head of a newbie.

00:53:58.800 But my hope is that it at least sparks curiosity enough that, you know, you might want to go Google it or pick up a book or something.

00:54:05.480 Which to that, and I would recommend to you if you'd like to get started in studying astrology or anybody who's listening.

00:54:11.260 Um, the book that I tend to recommend most often to the people who come to my astrology study groups is Demetra George's Ancient Astrology in two volumes, volume one and volume two.

00:54:23.140 They're big, huge textbook size things, but they come with worksheets in it that you can use to work on with your own birth chart.

00:54:30.160 And I think that that's really helpful for a new student of astrology if you wanted to just do a study on your own.

00:54:35.360 Um, because courses are very expensive and time consuming and not everybody has, you know, the resources or the time for that.

00:54:42.580 So that's kind of like, that's where I would suggest people start if they really want to get interested in it.

00:54:47.940 Um, otherwise, you know, start with the astrology podcast, uh, and just kind of try to absorb it as you go.

00:54:53.740 All right, right.

00:54:55.640 And you have a page as well and you, you offer consultations, correct?

00:55:00.040 I do.

00:55:01.060 So it's astrologicat.com and I do offer, uh, you know, birth chart readings, forecasting, um, probably not next year, but the year after I'll probably start offering horary readings, which is a specific medieval technique, uh, for answering predictive questions, which I'm having a lot of fun with.

00:55:19.060 But it's, uh, I don't, I don't feel confident enough yet to kind of like offer that as a service because I feel like I still have a lot to learn.

00:55:27.880 Um, but yeah, so people, uh, are more than welcome to book readings, um, coming in, I want to say January or February, I'll start up the monthly study group again.

00:55:39.460 And that's just a very low key way for people who are interested to just kind of come and learn a little bit about astrology.

00:55:44.920 It's very low cost and it's like, it's just a casual small group.

00:55:49.400 Bring in your birth chart.

00:55:50.340 We'll answer your questions.

00:55:51.940 Um, any questions you've had from your study on your own that you're not sure about, you know, people can bring those kinds of questions in for discussion.

00:55:58.020 So that's always kind of a fun, uh, little group that we do every month.

00:56:01.800 I'm just kind of taking a couple months off for the holidays and then we'll be back.

00:56:06.100 All right.

00:56:06.780 Awesome.

00:56:07.440 And, uh, then you're also on Telegram.

00:56:09.660 Of course, I do believe probably most of our listeners here will, will subscribe to your channel, but it's philosophy cat, correct?

00:56:17.660 Yes.

00:56:17.920 So I have a philosophic cat, uh, telegram and an astrologic cat telegram.

00:56:21.900 And if you go on the astrologic cat telegram and read some of the old posts, a lot of them are set up to be kind of like instructional and build on each other in a logical way.

00:56:30.260 So that's also a good resource for people if they want to get their toes wet and learning a little bit is just to kind of scroll back to the beginning of the astrologic cat telegram and kind of read out the instructional posts.

00:56:42.320 All right.

00:56:43.020 Awesome.

00:56:43.460 And then you are on YouTube and Odyssey, of course, as well.

00:56:46.880 I am.

00:56:47.340 I am still on YouTube and hopefully, hopefully getting my Twitter back soon.

00:56:50.840 We'll see.

00:56:51.940 All right.

00:56:52.500 Right.

00:56:52.760 Yeah.

00:56:53.000 Yeah.

00:56:53.900 I will be sure to share if, uh, if you get it back.

00:56:57.500 Yeah.

00:56:57.740 But yeah, on, on YouTube, it's philosophy cat as well.

00:57:01.500 Yeah.

00:57:01.980 Philosophic cat.

00:57:02.860 Um, and I'm sure you'll have my name in the title of the video or something.

00:57:07.020 People can find it, or you can put the link in the description.

00:57:09.260 I will have the title as mysterious astrology guest, something like that.

00:57:15.140 No, I will, of course, uh, I will, of course, uh, title it something along the lines of astrology with philosophy cat.

00:57:22.680 Uh, but yeah, awesome.

00:57:23.880 Uh, thank you so much for coming to enlighten us, um, spiritual new newbies or astrological newbies.

00:57:33.780 And, uh, hopefully some of our listeners will, um, yeah, continue also on their astrological studies and, um, and learn to optimize their lives via the blessings of the stars.

00:57:45.920 So, uh, yeah, again, thanks a lot for coming on the show.

00:57:49.460 Thank you so much.

00:57:50.420 It's been, I love talking about astrology.

00:57:52.540 I don't get asked about it as often as I like to talk about it.

00:57:55.680 And, um, it's kind of like my mission at this point, like reclaim astrology from the left.

00:58:00.500 So, uh, anybody who wants to assist in that, you better start learning, but, uh, hopefully we can, uh, reclaim it in a way that will make our ancestors proud.

00:58:10.740 Yeah, definitely.

00:58:13.020 That's the goal.

00:58:14.580 Okay.

00:58:15.100 And, uh, thank you to everyone who has been listening to this fine episode.

00:58:20.820 XOXO.

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The Golden One - November 30, 2022

Astrology and Evola With Philosophicat

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