The Golden One - February 26, 2018


Survive The Jive & The Golden One. Traditionalism, Paganism, Islam, Evola, Guenon, The Cheddar Man


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31 minutes

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5,068

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252

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00:00:00.000 Now the question I want to ask. Who are you? I've actually heard of you. Many of
00:00:06.280 my subscribers have heard of you. You have the charisma of a Saxon chieftain
00:00:10.560 and the appearance of a European gentleman. That was my Nigel Farage but
00:00:17.280 in a good way, obviously, introducing my man, Survivor the Jive. So first and
00:00:23.060 foremost, before you watch this video, Tom has just gotten back from good old
00:00:27.300 India and made a very good documentary which you can watch below. First link in
00:00:32.340 the description, give him a subscription as well. Anyway, I thought to have a
00:00:37.680 little conversation with Tom regarding some things which might be
00:00:43.420 interesting for you all to partake in. So yeah, welcome. Thank you, Marcus.
00:00:52.020 Good to be on the channel. Yeah. Okay, so I've talked about this in a few videos, in a few
00:00:59.340 podcasts, but I haven't addressed it directly like to the actual channel and
00:01:04.020 my audience. So, and that's obviously about traditionalism because a lot of
00:01:08.340 people, they misunderstand the meaning of traditionalism with a big T like
00:01:14.960 Ebola and Gunon, etc. So, do you have anything to add to that? I know that you've
00:01:19.620 been talking a bit about that earlier on as well, but to keep people up to date, do
00:01:24.940 you have anything to add to my...? Yeah, so the word tradition is obviously has a
00:01:31.940 wider understood meaning or which can be literally any custom that is preserved
00:01:37.220 between generations. And traditionalism then people will assume is any ideology
00:01:44.040 that is in favour of the continuation of this tradition. But there is another meaning
00:01:49.860 to traditionalism that we're capital T, as you say, which is associated with a
00:01:53.880 specific school of thought, sometimes called Sophia Perennis or the perennial
00:01:58.080 philosophy. And in that there isn't really a major concern with the
00:02:03.060 continuation of all of it or of any specific custom of just random customs.
00:02:07.920 Rather, there's an idea, it's about, it's centred around the idea that, well, it's
00:02:15.640 synonymous with the word truth. Tradition in that context means truth. And it's
00:02:19.700 basically centred around the idea that different traditions, and in that is
00:02:24.000 specifically referring to religious traditions, each of them are centred around
00:02:28.540 the same truth and therefore all legitimate. But that they each reflect
00:02:35.200 different peoples and different perspectives on the world and being in the
00:02:38.560 world and therefore are proper and distinct to different peoples, but that
00:02:43.360 they are all legitimate for their own parts of the world and for their own types of
00:02:47.920 people. And that tradition is basically the preservation of your people's
00:02:54.220 tradition, which is its own, is the correct way for your people to engage with that
00:03:01.960 one truth. Yeah. And a note here, you probably all heard me say this Jonathan
00:03:08.560 Bowden quote, and it's like, yeah, you've heard me saying like a thousand times, I
00:03:12.760 always greet him with it, so, and it's like, and this I'm quoting now, and this is
00:03:18.460 true for quite a lot of rightist and perennially minded people, I'm not
00:03:21.900 philosophically perennial, but many right people are, actually admire elements of
00:03:26.460 Islam for the strength, for the belief, for the ferocity, for the knowledge who
00:03:31.200 they are, end quote. And that, he says, philosophically perennial, and that is what
00:03:36.780 Thomas is talking about now in the perennial truth. So a truth that is, yeah,
00:03:40.980 yeah, it goes from most cultures and...
00:03:43.060 So Bowden, like, he read some perennial philosopher, like,
00:03:47.220 Julia Sevilla, but he wasn't necessarily perennial, he wasn't perennial in the mind,
00:03:52.320 as he says to himself. Many people nowadays often are interested in the right in
00:03:58.440 general, they'll be also reading Julia Sevilla, but they're not so much interested in Sophia
00:04:02.420 Perennis. There are many, like, authors within that school, none of them are associated
00:04:07.660 particularly with right-wing politics, except one, Julia Sevilla, the rest weren't really
00:04:11.940 in any way associated with politics. There are some, even today, who are quite well-known,
00:04:18.320 and Professor Nasser is in Canada. He's an Iranian who lives in Canada. He teaches Islamic
00:04:27.140 studies at a university there. He's quite a famous perennial philosopher. The main names
00:04:35.640 in the school are René Guannon from France, Frithof Stern, who's a German, and Julius Eveler,
00:04:44.920 of course. Martin Lings is a more recent one. I think he only died quite recently. He was
00:04:53.740 in contact with the Prince of Wales, who is in fact the patron of a perennial philosophy
00:05:00.740 school in the United Kingdom, called the Telmos Academy, and that has various speakers on different
00:05:16.560 traditions and religions, and tries to bring people into that philosophical worldview, which
00:05:22.400 Prince Charles is sympathetic to.
00:05:24.740 All right, right. So, René Guannon, obviously, he admired elements of Islam, if I've understood
00:05:30.240 things correctly.
00:05:31.160 Yeah, he did. He was, when he wrote the first, his book was about Hinduism, and I made a video
00:05:36.840 on that book. But he was, at the time, a Catholic. He was raised in France as a Catholic. Later,
00:05:43.680 he decided that the traditional virtues in Catholicism had been compromised, and therefore he decided
00:05:51.680 it was better to look for a more well-preserved tradition, and he became a Sufi. It's a form
00:05:57.860 of Islam practiced in the easternmost regions of Europe. It's a mystical type of Islam, which
00:06:08.960 is less concerned with the letter of the law of the Qur'an, and has some more nuanced conceptions of divinity,
00:06:19.380 and also is within Sufism. There is the potential for appreciation of other traditions, whereas Islam,
00:06:29.840 more broadly, as a religion, has no appreciation, especially for the pre-Abrahamic traditions.
00:06:36.980 Yeah. And also, when René Guannon admired elements of Islam, this was obviously before
00:06:44.360 this whole invasion of Europe, so it's not that he cocked to Islam or anything, it was
00:06:50.200 just a scholar on the search for truth, and that was beforehand, so...
00:06:54.080 Well, he did become a Muslim, and he did move to Egypt and leave Europe, so...
00:06:59.260 Yeah, I mean, a bit cockish, but it's still not...
00:07:02.000 And married an Egyptian, and...
00:07:03.520 Okay, I'm a bit of a heretic, to be honest, but...
00:07:06.640 I mean, it's not my place, I'm not going to say what's right and what's wrong, but he
00:07:11.500 tries to do that, and I think Shun as well became a Muslim. Many of the original traditionalists
00:07:17.180 became Muslims, but not at all. There was also a whole collection of European traditionalists
00:07:22.760 in Thailand for a while who became Buddhists, and there are also... I mean, Ovala was originally,
00:07:30.260 he called himself a Catholic pagan, but he moved away from paganism a bit, but he was
00:07:35.320 never a Christian.
00:07:38.400 But in regards to Guannon, I'd say it would have been worse if he did it today, because
00:07:43.500 now we're, like, the West and Islam is today in a bit more of a metaphysical boxing match
00:07:49.260 than, say, 50 years ago. So, I mean, I'm just pointing out that... I'm not condoning of
00:07:55.460 his behaviors, but... Well, actually, in a way, I am, because he was obviously on the quest
00:08:01.840 for enlightenment, and he took him there, and he shared his wisdom and his teachings with
00:08:08.940 us, so we have that. He was correctly recognizing a problem in the West, which was growing, and
00:08:21.500 had been growing for a long time, and his ultimate diagnosis was that it was not likely to be solved.
00:08:30.800 He predicted two likely outcomes for the West. One, or two, one, the more preferable one, would
00:08:40.680 be that the West would be spiritually renewed by an understanding of spiritual tradition,
00:08:49.420 which it learned from other cultures it came into contact with. It doesn't necessarily mean
00:08:55.300 that they have to become Hindus or Muslims, but that they would learn from the need for the
00:09:00.000 tradition. Alternatively, if that never was achieved, he predicted that it would be that
00:09:06.520 the West would be absorbed by the neighboring civilizations which had traditions, most likely
00:09:13.300 Islamic civilization, because that was the closest one. Yeah. And if that was written in the 20s
00:09:18.300 or something, I'd say about 90 years later, close to 100 years later, and it seems like he
00:09:24.560 was on to something there. Yeah. And also, I don't know if I've ever said this in a video.
00:09:31.080 I know I've said it in a speech at least. I might have said it in a podcast. I don't know if I've said it in an English
00:09:37.600 podcast, but just to clarify, I have expressed admiration for Islam for the same reason Bauden
00:09:44.120 for their knowledge of who they are. Exactly. And he has a point. But what I mean then is not that
00:09:54.240 I want white sharia and that I want us to become Muslim. I want to see what makes them strong. Okay.
00:10:01.120 Because they are very passionate about what they're doing. And like you said, in the first alternative
00:10:05.940 that we learn from other cultures, see how strongly passionate they are. They have a fire within them.
00:10:12.280 I want the same thing, but perhaps in, for us, a pagan version. So that is why I, if I say I admire
00:10:20.120 elements of Islam, it's not that I want Northern European women to have like burkas or anything,
00:10:26.140 because that's not our way. But I want to see, it's almost like if you have a guy with a magic sword
00:10:32.620 on flame, and then I want like, okay, I want the same sort of sword. I can't have that sword because
00:10:38.040 it's suited to his hand and everything. But I want to know the ingredients, what kind of metal,
00:10:42.080 what kind of magic does he use? So I think it's, and this is also, we're talking about these country
00:10:48.920 yihadist individuals who are just finding faults with Islam all the time. And they're criticizing Islam
00:10:54.220 from the wrong perspective. It's like, oh, Islam is too traditional. And it's like, there are good
00:11:00.060 things with Islam, then there are bad things with Islam. Yeah, as I was saying, what I want to see
00:11:05.060 is that, okay, they have something. I want to know what it is, and I want to utilize it to revive our
00:11:11.620 own spirituality, our own culture. And this is also something Jonathan Bowden said, I know, and that's
00:11:17.760 Europe will completely disappear unless we revive, basically. I don't know which speech it was, but it
00:11:25.260 was really good. And I totally agree, we need to revive. And this sort of country yihadist mindset
00:11:30.700 that, oh, everything Islam does is wrong, and we have to do the opposite. It's really, it's not
00:11:36.400 particularly glorious, in my humble view, at least. Well, it overlooks some of the problems, and it's kind
00:11:45.200 of indicative of a tendency to look at the symptoms rather than the causes of problems that we have as
00:11:55.100 Westerners. Things were on our way, things were on their way to the current conditions, before they, they,
00:12:06.140 they reach the state that they're currently in. And that, and that's what needs to be addressed. If, and
00:12:11.740 that's what one of the problems with the less, with the more broadly understood meaning of
00:12:17.600 tradition, where, how it doesn't really, and conservatism, that doesn't really want to, it's a reflexive
00:12:26.300 desire to preserve something, just because it's familiar, which isn't, which isn't good at all. And that is
00:12:33.740 not what I mean when I talk about tradition and preserving tradition. If you, if a beautiful house is
00:12:40.160 destroyed, and then an ugly one is built in its place, and then people, at first, they hate that ugly building, but
00:12:46.180 over time, they've become to find it familiar. Then if someone says, I wish to rebuild a beautiful
00:12:51.140 building where this ugly one currently stands, there will be those who, having grown so attached
00:12:56.180 to this familiar, ugly building, will say, no, let us preserve this ugly building. They are not
00:13:02.580 traditionalists. They're just reflexive conservatives, and I have nothing to do with that ideology. I have
00:13:07.960 no interest in that kind of perspective, resisting change because it's unfamiliar.
00:13:11.920 Yeah, it sort of reminds me about the sort of capitalist, uh, American conservative who view
00:13:19.200 Americans in the fifties as the epitome of, uh, and, uh, uh, they don't understand that capitalism,
00:13:27.160 communism, it's, um, and I mentioned this in my, one of my recent videos as well, that it's, uh,
00:13:32.720 sort of, I wouldn't say, like, if you have a horseshoe theory, and you can have the, I'm just
00:13:39.520 throwing something out, a pyramid theory, where you have, uh, socialism and capitalism on the bottom,
00:13:44.080 and then you have traditionalism on top, because traditionalism is, um, more concerned with the
00:13:49.760 higher values, uh, metaphysical qualities, whereas socialism is here to the left, capitalism is here,
00:13:56.160 it's still based upon money, uh, yeah, yeah, and then if I compare certain, um, islamists or muslims,
00:14:06.480 and obviously this is controversial to say, but if I compare them, and I know we talked about this in a,
00:14:11.440 in a car about half a year ago or something, I don't know if you remember, but I was on the way to
00:14:15.440 training, uh, but anyway, um, if we compare, like, a muslim man who lives for something higher,
00:14:20.480 a set of metaphysical ideals he's striving towards, compare that to a western man that perhaps,
00:14:26.960 his main interest is to watch, uh, American football every Sunday, or even British football,
00:14:32.560 like, he shares for a team, and without any real connection to it, I'm not opposed to sports,
00:14:38.400 but I'm opposed to that sort of, sort of false identity kind of, um, kind of thing, so, uh,
00:14:46.720 and that is what I mean with, I can always admire someone, uh, that dedicates themselves to higher
00:14:53.520 ideals, and it doesn't have to be a muslim, it can be anyone really, it can be a christian monk,
00:14:58.000 a christian priest, a buddhist monk, yeah, yeah, and I'm the same, but I also feel, feel though, that it is not,
00:15:06.960 um, desirable for people to adopt the traditions of other peoples,
00:15:15.520 and this is something that the Dalai Lama has said recently, he was, he said, I'm against conversions,
00:15:21.680 because the conversion puts an unnecessary strain on the culture of the people around,
00:15:29.600 on the people of that culture, no man is an island, you don't exist as an individual, as in the liberal
00:15:35.520 perspective, you exist as an amalgamation of the cultural components of your family, and your nation,
00:15:42.560 and your people, or your tribe, or whatever, you live as part of other people, you're not a, you're
00:15:49.520 not a atomized, single, complete unit, man has never existed in that way, it's a, it's a fiction.
00:15:57.280 Um, there you have it liberals. Sorry, sorry Sargon, but, uh, it's, um, okay, so, and the Dalai Lama said
00:16:06.720 that this means that when some, a westerner converts to buddhism, what happens to their christian family?
00:16:11.680 When a, when a, when a, uh, a buddhist converts to christianity, or whatever, the same problems happen.
00:16:19.840 Yeah.
00:16:20.400 Even if there's nothing wrong with that tradition in itself, it can create these problems. Now,
00:16:25.120 there are instances where perhaps it has to happen, there's no other option. That's what Grinan believed,
00:16:30.160 that's why he converted to Islam, because he thought that the Catholic Church was the only legitimate
00:16:34.480 Western tradition remaining, and that that was then compromised, leaving no Western traditions left,
00:16:40.080 and therefore he decided he had to move to the next nearest thing, which is Sufi Islam, the closest
00:16:46.320 Eastern tradition for the Western mindset, because he thought that, um, the next closest thing was the
00:16:52.960 Arab, uh, tradition, and that among the Arab tradition, the Sufi one was the nearest to Europe. But, uh,
00:16:59.280 yeah, he wasn't anti-pagan. He, he wrote great things on the Celtic paganism. He, he was, uh, uh,
00:17:06.160 you know, respectful of his Celtic ancestors, but he decided that, uh, that was, that were the Celtic,
00:17:11.120 in his, in his view, not mine, that the Celtic tradition was, uh, was done for, and there was
00:17:16.560 nothing remaining of it, and that the Catholic tradition had gone the same way, and therefore that
00:17:20.320 was the only option. Uh, I would say, I personally believe that we know enough about, in the European
00:17:26.160 traditions, in general, and specifically ones local to us, like the Nordic Germanic tradition,
00:17:32.880 that we can properly practice, uh, uh, uh, a sincere and complete tradition, uh, our Indo-European
00:17:41.840 tradition today. Um, but it, it does present problems that aren't, that aren't, uh, aren't there
00:17:48.960 for Christians. However, those that choose to be Christians have to recognize that they're not living
00:17:55.120 in the four, in, in 14th century, where, where Catholicism, uh, or the old Christian values are,
00:18:00.880 you know, uh, ubiquitous and all dominant in every area of society, and much of the, uh, infrastructure
00:18:07.520 and the power, the powerful, the power levels, hierarchies in the Catholic Church are completely
00:18:13.200 compromised and anti-traditional. So you're, you're, you're, you're fighting an uphill struggle,
00:18:18.800 whether you choose to be a pagan or a Christian at this stage.
00:18:21.040 Yeah. So basically I've said, uh, in Sweden's case, at least, or perhaps all of Scandinavia,
00:18:29.600 that Christianity is dead. Like the, the link has been caught like 50 years ago or so, more or less
00:18:34.720 dead. I know some Christians would obviously not agree with me here, but it doesn't permeate the
00:18:38.720 society. Like, yeah, you said the Catholic Church during the, um, Middle Ages. Yeah, exactly. I mean,
00:18:44.960 you said this before in a private conversation that, that was like, it permeated the entire society.
00:18:49.760 Like, yeah, everything was built on it. But the hierarchy of, of medieval Europe was entirely
00:18:56.160 built around God, the legitimacy of the king, the nobles, everything was believed in, in, in a notion
00:19:04.080 of, of Christian morality. The, the, the Arthurian, uh, chivalric culture, the courtly cult, courtly culture
00:19:12.800 that is depicted in medieval romance is structured around Christian virtues. Although, Avola has
00:19:19.200 pointed out there are many elements in that have been taken from the warrior pagan religions that
00:19:24.000 preceded Christianity. That doesn't change the, the, the fact that this was a entirely Christian culture.
00:19:30.560 Now Christianity does not have, uh, the same sway and hasn't done for several decades.
00:19:37.600 So yeah, you're no longer, I mean, we can say the West is Christian. It certainly was,
00:19:43.360 but you're not, you're not supported by a Christian society when you, when you practice Christianity now.
00:19:48.960 In fact, you're very often actively opposed by the society around you, by the, by politicians, by, um,
00:19:56.480 other powerful forces, uh, the media. So yeah, I mean, I'm not saying don't be a Christian. If you
00:20:04.800 want to be a Christian, be a Christian. I won't, I'm not a Christian. I'm a pagan. And I, obviously,
00:20:09.680 because I believe that the pagan tradition is legitimate. Yeah. Same here. I might have mentioned
00:20:15.760 this sometime somewhere as well, that for me growing up, I am not baptized. I'm not confirmed.
00:20:22.080 I don't really have any connection with the Christian church. So for me, it was choosing
00:20:26.000 between the religion that best suit me. And I mean, Germanic paganism is more attractive.
00:20:33.280 Uh, and I've been the, I've been, um, firm supporter of Christianity, of Catholicism,
00:20:39.680 but when push comes to shove, I'm obviously gonna be closer to, uh, a tradition, uh, a truth that is
00:20:46.000 more in line with, uh, our values as Indo-Europeans. I'm thinking about, um, like the, the sin of the
00:20:53.200 Christian world versus the shame of the, um, it's two completely different things. Uh, because in
00:20:59.120 Christianity, it's almost like you're always guilty. There are no good Catholics because
00:21:03.840 they're, they have inherited a sin. A good Catholic knows he's a bad Catholic. Exactly. Whereas for us,
00:21:08.800 as pagans, we have shame as a barrier towards the inherent behavior. So we're not guilty until
00:21:15.760 we are guilty and we have shame as a sort of regulatory thing there. And then also something,
00:21:21.840 I think, Stefan MacNallan wrote in his book, also through, and was like, a key difference is how you
00:21:27.840 view life. Christians view it as you get your reward. If you're a good boy, you get it in the
00:21:33.600 next life. Whereas pagan, be a force of nature right now, live life to the fullest right now,
00:21:39.440 and obviously not live life like, oh, YOLO, you should do a lot of drugs and be a hedonist. It's
00:21:44.960 not that sense, but it's about enjoying yourself still while obviously continuing, uh, align, etc.
00:21:50.960 So yeah, yeah. I think the pagan perspective also recognizes reward in a more immediate sense. So
00:21:57.520 in paganism, you don't just, you can pray for, uh, things in this life. So you don't just pray for
00:22:05.040 salvation. In fact, you don't pray for salvation really. You can, you can pray to be wiser. I, you
00:22:10.160 know, you can pray, I wish to have greater knowledge. I wish to be a wiser person now. And, um, yeah,
00:22:17.360 and that's not, that's normal. And part of, and you, as long as you perform the rites in the prescribed
00:22:22.560 traditional way and that you pray sincerely and give offerings, and then you can expect to become
00:22:28.720 wiser as long as you're dedicated to that endeavor. Uh, whereas I don't know, uh, Christianity is,
00:22:37.840 it's, you don't pray. I mean, yeah, it's a bit different for Christianity, what you can and can't
00:22:44.560 pray for. I mean, in, in practice, people pray very much like pagans anyway. In Mexico, Catholics
00:22:51.760 are very, you know, they, they do things with very much like pagans did and same in Europe. Uh,
00:22:58.480 because I think pagan religion doesn't come from, um, the, the, the traditions of pagans don't come
00:23:04.800 from a, from design. No one has sat down and designed the pagan religion. It is, it comes naturally
00:23:11.520 from how people actually behave. People will naturally behave as pagans because it is a
00:23:16.000 religion that is innate in human nature. Whereas prescribed religions like communism, for example,
00:23:21.840 which is essentially like a religion, it's written down, it's been constructed from the start to the
00:23:25.920 beginning as this is a logical way that one man has, or several men have perceived men should live.
00:23:32.560 But obviously when you try and impose that onto them, it isn't actually, it doesn't work because
00:23:37.280 it's not actually naturally how they choose, they want to behave. Yeah. Uh, on a semi-related topic,
00:23:45.520 uh, and I think since I have you on the channel, uh, you might want to, um, utilize this opportunity
00:23:53.200 to dispel some blasphemists that has, uh, um, with a cheddar man. Cheddar man. So I saw an article
00:24:01.680 the other day saying that it was, uh, they were wrong or something. Have you any insights into?
00:24:07.520 Yeah. Well, the, the initial, I knew before that article came out as wrong, I'd done a lot of videos
00:24:12.960 about Western hunter-gatherers and already I knew, uh, what could be expected from the study.
00:24:20.480 There was, for example, there have been other, there are, before, originally Europe had, was populated
00:24:25.360 quite homogenously with a single basic population of hunter-gatherers that geneticists call Western
00:24:32.000 hunter-gatherers. And whether you take a sample of one of these from Spain or Britain or anywhere else
00:24:37.200 in Western Europe, it's pretty much the same. There's not a great deal of genetic drift. There's some,
00:24:42.160 but they, if you, they all form one genetic cluster. There's no, uh, living population on earth today
00:24:49.840 that is exactly in that cluster because they don't exist as they did then. However, they're very close
00:24:56.160 to modern Europeans and that they're closer to Northern Europeans and to Southern Europeans
00:25:01.280 because Northern Europeans today have more genetic similarity, more descent from, from the original
00:25:06.880 indigenous hunter-gatherers of Europe than Southern Europeans do. No other race in the world has any
00:25:12.080 genetic affinity with them except Europeans, none at all. So, uh, we can say that they're Europeans
00:25:19.680 although they're a type of archaic European that no longer exists. However, studies on some samples
00:25:25.040 from Spain, uh, or a sample from Spain and some other ones, they determined that although every
00:25:30.160 single Western hunter-gatherer so far where their DNA has been sequenced entirely and looked at it,
00:25:35.040 they all had blue eyes. So they were all homogeneous in the fact that they all had the same color eyes,
00:25:39.920 but they lacked the genes that we associate nowadays with lighter complexions in Europeans.
00:25:46.000 So the previous studies have therefore concluded that he must have been darker than the European
00:25:52.240 today. That's about, that's all they've said. This later study found the same exact thing. No new,
00:25:58.000 no news there that yes, those genes for light skin were absent and yes, the blue eyes were there. Same
00:26:02.960 as that's exactly what we expected to see because he's just, Cheterman is just another Western hunter-gatherer.
00:26:07.360 But then they did something very unusual. They therefore claimed that he was black or that they assumed that
00:26:12.160 the default complexion of a human being is as dark as a sub-Saharan African, which isn't the case
00:26:18.880 because sub-Saharan Africans have evolved to become darker for, for, uh, necessity for that environment.
00:26:24.720 And also they didn't actually even look for the genes associated with African complex, dark African
00:26:30.560 complexions, nor did they indeed look for the genes associated with light skin that are present in
00:26:36.160 Asians. So what complexion Cheterman was, we can't say for sure. We can presume he was, uh, darker than
00:26:43.920 the European that, that he might not be. He may have had the genes associated with light skin that, uh,
00:26:49.600 Europe that Asians have, but we don't know because that wasn't actually looked at. It's most likely he
00:26:54.480 was around the same complexion as a Middle Easterner. That's, that's far more likely. That's far more likely than,
00:27:00.880 I mean, I'm not saying we can't rule out the possibility that he was as dark as an African,
00:27:05.600 but that hasn't been proven. That hasn't even been looked for. So no one can say that. But not
00:27:09.360 only did the study itself say that he was that dark, but then these, uh, the people who did the facial,
00:27:14.160 the man who did the reconstruction of the face chose to make him very, very dark. And, uh, actually he didn't
00:27:19.840 make them as dark as the media darkened the images of the reconstruction to make it look yet darker.
00:27:25.600 And then the media chose to use headlines, not describing as having darker skin than Europeans,
00:27:30.480 but describing him as black and not has black skin, but he is black, which of course in popular
00:27:38.720 parlance that everyone understands that meaning means a sub-Saharan African, which he absolutely
00:27:42.800 was not in any respect at all in complexion, in genetics, in facial construction, in heritage.
00:27:50.560 He was not a sub-Saharan African and no one has ever argued that he is. So what they've done there is
00:27:55.920 extremely misleading and unscientific and dishonest. Yeah. And something I said in my
00:28:02.560 Chatterman video as well was that if there has been a scientific, um, find, like one must always
00:28:10.080 go to the source and see what the scientific reports actually says, because the media, yeah,
00:28:14.800 they take something and perhaps it's not entirely false, but it's so misleading. It might as well be
00:28:20.480 false. And I mean, fake news, uh, they, they've used up all, uh, all of their, uh, credibility by now. So,
00:28:27.440 um, yeah, all right, cool. Some people want to say, oh, what if he was, he wasn't related to us or
00:28:35.920 something? What if he was a foreigner? No, he was related to us and he wasn't a foreigner. I mean,
00:28:39.840 he was a native European undergatherer. They're all like that. Uh, but it doesn't matter even if they
00:28:45.840 did find out that they did have that dark complexion, which they haven't determined exactly
00:28:50.400 how dark, it still wouldn't matter because you're still a European genetically. His closest living
00:28:55.200 relatives in the world today are probably from Estonia. If you take an Estonian and take away the
00:29:01.840 genes that are in an Estonian for like complexion, what do you get? You get a dark skinned Estonian.
00:29:08.640 You don't get a black person. It doesn't make any sense to, to, to say that he's black or it doesn't
00:29:13.760 make any sense if you're looking at a rational perspective. It makes personal sense if you're,
00:29:17.680 perfect sense if you're looking at how can they use, uh, ancient population genetics to manufacture
00:29:26.320 an overall opinion or rather sentiment among European populations that their heritage is
00:29:31.440 illegitimate and that their claim to any kind of ancestral connection to the lands which they've been,
00:29:36.480 their cultures have emerged in, are also illegitimate. And, and that's a form of psychological
00:29:42.400 terrorism that should not be forgiven by anyone.
00:29:46.320 Yeah, I agree. And here's something to keep in mind also, regardless if we're talking about
00:29:50.960 politicized science or even such a thing as supplements or anything, there are people who,
00:29:56.800 like they want a conclusion and then they try to fit the science to, um, to that conclusion instead
00:30:03.040 of the other way around. Like a true scientist, someone who's out for the truth, will obviously look at,
00:30:07.760 okay, what does the finds say? What does the archaeology say? What does the biology say? And
00:30:13.280 then they draw a conclusion. For these heretics, it's the other way around. They want to say like,
00:30:17.520 oh, look, you have no claim to this land. Okay, scientists, find something that suits our narrative.
00:30:23.600 So yeah, very dishonest people.
00:30:25.680 So instead, look at all your population genetics directly from the, uh, sources or at least from
00:30:31.760 Survive the Jive.
00:30:34.560 Uh, so anyway, we're gonna hit the Temple of Ares now actually. So, uh, but yeah, this was just a,
00:30:41.520 I, I had the camera with and I just decided to throw up the camera and have a regular conversation.
00:30:46.560 So this wasn't, uh, anything more formal than that. But, but yeah, anyway, uh, thanks, um, Survive Jive.
00:30:52.960 And link in the description. So, uh, be sure to check his, uh, India video out and also subscribe to
00:30:59.120 his other content. Cheers, Flamingo. First. I get like three comments saying that every time.