The Golden One - September 14, 2022


Talking to Styxhexenhammer666 About the Occult, Satanism, Magic, and Religion


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00:00:00.000 my esteemed audience welcome to the greatest interview of all time this is the first time
00:00:22.620 i'm actually doing an interview and we have a very special guest now a quick disclaimer before
00:00:29.020 get straight into it sticks and i are not affiliated politically in any way this is merely a
00:00:35.600 conversation i wanted to have on a personal note and the the backstory here is that some of you
00:00:44.260 well many of you hopefully have read my book reviews and i have touched upon the topic of the
00:00:51.040 occult quite a few times in many of the books and one of the the reoccurring topics then
00:00:58.540 is satanism and i thought to ask sticks here what satanism is so uh yeah without further ado sticks
00:01:07.480 welcome to the show hello hello thanks for having me on so to uh yeah get straight into it if you
00:01:16.060 so for me personally as i said i have only over the last year i've gotten a bit more acquainted
00:01:23.040 with the concept of satanism but if i were to ask you or if someone without any previous knowledge
00:01:30.660 whatsoever asked what is satanism how would you how would you introduce it i would say that well
00:01:38.940 the form of satanism that i was involved with and this is you know a decade ago at this point it's
00:01:44.100 vanishing into the past uh the form of satanism i was uh in was independent number one i never joined
00:01:51.180 i joined any specific like satanic order or anything cringy like that uh and it was fundamentally
00:01:56.280 atheistic so with with lavey and other similar satanists what you're getting is basically godlessness
00:02:03.520 with a floor show what lavey did is he sort of made a mock-up of catholic rituals specifically
00:02:09.780 and sort of inverted some of the meanings appropriated the cross of saint peter uh to an
00:02:15.560 extent and then did his various rituals and to him it was mostly a corporate scam but it was basically
00:02:22.000 a satire of of the christian religion and catholicism especially with his particular path what i came to
00:02:28.460 the conclusion of is that a satanism at least in the atheistic sense is really more of an initiatory step
00:02:35.920 um so what i used it for basically was i had left religion i had become atheistic i still wanted
00:02:43.360 ritualism and things like that and it sort of dawned on me that it's sort of an initiatory framework in
00:02:49.640 order to purge false guilt and fear through psychodrama and through mock-up rituals and then once
00:02:56.080 things are cleared out then you can go on and study more authentic magic and things of that nature which
00:03:01.680 is actually spurned by the church of satan i got regarded i remember one time contacting peggy
00:03:07.720 nadromia their pr spokeswoman which is hilarious and being called an occult nick for merely asking
00:03:13.860 questions about the topic of magic at the time as a as a somewhat cringy dude barely in his 20s and i
00:03:20.740 thought that was very funny yeah so you would say that you said that you you came from a religious
00:03:28.600 background uh is that correct uh well religious in the sense that we were christians but in the
00:03:34.400 nominal liberal sense so you go to church on christmas and easter you read the bible you pray
00:03:39.960 the lord's prayer at night and that's kind of it there was no larger religion later on in my teens i
00:03:46.140 became more religious for several years before i abandoned that in favor of it first hardline atheism
00:03:51.900 and then later other things ah right right yeah i suppose uh many guys have had their atheist stage
00:03:59.160 so essentially you went from regular christian that yeah many many people are grown up with
00:04:05.620 uh then atheism and then you you wanted to get back to a bit more um spirituality uh including rituals and
00:04:13.660 stuff like that yes definitely although again uh it was liberal christianity at first and then for a few
00:04:20.460 years it was i wouldn't exactly say i was a fundamentalist per se but it was definitely more
00:04:26.180 religious like we were going to church on every sunday being more into religion as a family yeah this
00:04:32.580 is this was sort of a family event for me it was led mainly by my mom um she just she decided she
00:04:38.280 wanted to go to church and stuff and and i sort of was brought along uh but it was all right it was fun
00:04:44.300 and uh you know you got picnics and stuff like that so there's nothing wrong with a picnic
00:04:48.220 all right nice nice yeah so for for the context you're grown up on the east coast of good old
00:04:55.600 america that is correct yes yeah vermont yeah cool cool uh i'm grown up in sweden of course perhaps a
00:05:03.140 bit more atheist than than the united states but when i grew up we had still you know school ceremonies in
00:05:10.320 in church so for christmas and for uh for summer and stuff like that uh a bit a few ceremonies
00:05:18.200 regarding easter as well but i mainly remember the christmas ceremonies so they weren't overly
00:05:24.620 christian in their nature but it still got a nice uh nice sense of it so anyway i wrote a review a while
00:05:31.940 back uh of lords of the left hand path by stephen e flowers and in my review i gave a first impression
00:05:41.620 of satanism and basically what i wrote was that as i see it from a swedish perspective from a
00:05:48.740 semi-atheist as i grew up as i'm not an atheist now but from what i saw it i saw that perhaps many
00:05:58.540 americans that had grown up with a very strict christian upbringing they sort of revolted against
00:06:06.720 christianity and therefore satanism had a certain allure because of the inversion of christian as you
00:06:13.940 said a mockery of a catholic ritual that anton levey did would you say that's a good analysis
00:06:19.600 i would say that's definitely the case if you're looking at the 1980s especially with the the rise of
00:06:26.020 the moral majority the satanic panic there was definitely an influx into not just the church of
00:06:30.540 satan but other groups as well and independent satanism and and outright devil worship which
00:06:36.320 doesn't have anything to do with them but it was part of it uh yeah i would say that there was
00:06:41.400 definitely a rebellion aspect of it sort of leaving behind the nifty 50s sort of leave it to beaver
00:06:46.420 americana mentality that was espoused effectively by the reaganites and of course the tipper gores
00:06:53.160 later on into the 90s yeah i would say that um there's also another sort of resurgence that you
00:06:58.660 have in the middle of the 2010s uh with the satanic temple and groups like that and again uh people
00:07:04.900 miss misinterpret what they're doing pulling up like a moloch statue or something like that a lucifer
00:07:11.020 statue at a courthouse effectively was just a form of protest these are not theistic individuals they
00:07:16.840 don't believe in a literal devil so you would say that from from anton levey and onwards you have more of
00:07:25.440 a spectacle and not so much uh not so much a deeper concern with the metaphysics of things
00:07:32.700 yeah there's nothing metaphysical about uh levain satanism i remember boyd rice used to go to concerts
00:07:39.420 he was a one of the higher ranking members of the church of satan i think he's left them now or
00:07:44.320 no longer particularly active he used to go up on stage with a shirt that said rape and uh just say
00:07:50.900 and do weird things all of the time just be as edgy as possible and i found it hilarious
00:07:55.600 ah right right yeah makes makes total sense and i suppose that every society has uh will eventually
00:08:04.080 have a counterculture based upon the dominant culture and i can definitely understand that yeah
00:08:09.740 maybe some people were fed up with a over-the-top christianity and sort of revolted now of course for
00:08:15.400 me personally as as i view satanism uh in america during the 80s and and onwards yeah it looks a bit
00:08:22.240 cringe to to be perfectly honest um then of course it can be yeah yeah and and i mean i'm not talking
00:08:29.200 about the anyone who has a deeper metaphysical speculation about the nature of the first intelligence
00:08:36.680 or whatever but i'm i'm talking about the more antinomian provocateur archetype but i thought to ask you
00:08:45.040 about the temple of set so uh michael aquino if i'm not mistaken he uh he stepped aside from the
00:08:54.340 the church of satan because he believed it was too too little spiritualism and too much show
00:09:01.160 uh do you have any take on the temple of set yeah basically imagine the church of satan but they
00:09:07.860 re-inject some of like the secret society nonsense back into it so instead of it being understood to be
00:09:13.780 psychodrama there's more of a facade of actual spirituality but uh michael aquino who looks you
00:09:20.600 know sort of like a vulcan i suppose uh he took part of the church of satan's leadership with him
00:09:25.860 and later on there was a re-schismatic movement of the temple of set as well so as far as i know
00:09:30.940 they're now defunct because they only had maybe a few hundred members i think at peak
00:09:35.560 all right right yeah these these smaller organizations they usually go off into
00:09:42.220 different splinter groups it's sort of like comparing dogecoin to bitcoin
00:09:46.620 right right yeah so um going back a bit further in terms of perhaps not satanism but i thought to ask
00:09:57.040 you about your username so sticks hexenhammer 666 and 666 then i think about alistair crowley is that a
00:10:05.340 person who have had some influence on you uh no not really i'm not into crowley okay right right so
00:10:12.660 the 666 is that just uh is something you added to your um your username or does it have a story
00:10:20.680 your username yeah originally it was just sticks hexenhammer um i decided to get more edgy though
00:10:26.140 anyway uh you know sticks is the river in hell or the marsh rather uh from the inferno and and from
00:10:32.880 that sort of lore it's quasi paganistic hexenhammer is is the hammer of the witches the german term for
00:10:38.820 the malleus maleficarum famous witch hunting guide and then 666 partially remains there only because it
00:10:46.380 helps to prevent people with small minds from subscribing to the channel so people who might
00:10:51.220 look the hazard that i run is that a lot of people mistake me for far right or conservative or
00:10:56.620 or moralistic i've had people claim i'm a jesus freak based on a tweet that i make what that helps
00:11:02.140 to do is that i don't want people to come come aboard see my political beliefs and they're like wow i found
00:11:07.740 this great youtuber named sticks hexenhammer and then i make a video about religion and they get all salty
00:11:14.260 about it and it still happens anyway but i think that having the 666 and the username helps to to
00:11:19.600 limit that and so it uh keeps things a little bit easier for me yeah yeah makes perfect sense actually
00:11:25.700 a fun fun little anecdote just for from the other day i posted to instagram a picture of me at a grotto
00:11:32.980 for saint birgitta of sweden so it's a medieval saint uh it had a cross in the background and i asked
00:11:40.200 have you read all of my book reviews in the post on instagram and for anyone who's actually read my
00:11:45.980 book reviews it's quite clear that i'm not a christian but many comments were saying have you
00:11:51.280 become a christian now and uh that points to the fact that and this is general advice for all content
00:11:57.580 creators out there many people they only look at they give your content a quick glance and then
00:12:03.700 they form an opinion uh so without reading anything just based on a title of a video or a or a picture
00:12:12.160 they draw conclusions so i think it's a quite a good way uh a good strategy for you to not have to
00:12:18.380 deal with these people but yeah as you say you you will have to deal with them yeah uh anyway and a
00:12:23.800 quick note here i'm not anti-christian in any way uh for me on a personal note i have grown up in
00:12:29.120 again a quite atheistic sweden so for me uh in a fun sense all of these religious traditions so
00:12:36.700 christianity and paganism they have in a sense been on the same side so you have had atheism on one side
00:12:42.820 and then you've had any belief system which has some sort of metaphysics in it on the other side
00:12:50.380 so i haven't really viewed it as a conflict between the two and i know it's completely different in
00:12:55.540 for others who view paganism as a sort of response to christianity so i suppose that
00:13:01.640 in the 80s many people they perhaps turn to satanism as response to christianity and i see
00:13:08.140 how certain individuals they interpret paganism only as a reaction to christianity and on a personal note
00:13:16.340 for me i appreciate paganism because it's older than christianity so i don't see paganism as being a
00:13:23.180 reaction uh to christianity at all so so they also they've co-evolved for a very long time so christian
00:13:30.640 ritual is informed by paganism and at this point the neo-pagan movements oftentimes they draw from
00:13:35.980 christianity or at least in the moral sense yeah definitely definitely that's something to uh to keep
00:13:42.320 in mind when discussing catholicism as well and uh for me of course sweden has been protestant for
00:13:48.560 four or five hundred years depending on how we count it but i view it as um as a source of sadness
00:13:55.360 that we went from the more pagan catholicism to the more um we can say purely christian christianity
00:14:03.460 um then of course as it is today uh mainly atheist of course the church of sweden they still exist but
00:14:10.700 at this stage they are one could argue one could say that they are more or less uh just another arm of
00:14:18.160 the social democratic party which has ruled sweden on and off for uh the last hundred years so yeah
00:14:25.100 i wouldn't say the church sweden today is um particularly friendly to guys like me but uh i'm
00:14:32.940 not saying that christianity necessarily is uh is all bad or anything that sounds like uh then that
00:14:38.940 sounds like the netherlands actually i mean there are quite a few churches here but they all seem to
00:14:42.720 be tourist landmarks for the most part the bed i mean the bells are ringing but nobody's going to mass
00:14:48.180 you know yeah yeah definitely same here uh and of course the um the the church they have adopted the
00:14:56.220 general zeitgeist and they cherry pick quite a bit from the christian theology so it's i remember when i
00:15:02.600 was in rutland the last time there was a pride flag actually out in front of the baptist uh church in
00:15:08.240 rutland now vermont of course is a little bit oddball as far as religion goes it's the most
00:15:12.700 atheistic state anyway and most of the christians are liberal but i thought it was funny that it was
00:15:17.080 outside of the baptist church of all places like i thought the unitarians were the ones that did that
00:15:22.100 uh yeah yeah same same in sweden so and this is also something i could just briefly uh elaborate on
00:15:28.800 since we're on the topic of religion so i would say that so if anyone comes to stockholm in july
00:15:34.800 and they see pride flags all over the place you could view yeah the pride flag pride ideology as
00:15:41.720 the main as a dominant religion in sweden since christianity has lost its role but i do believe
00:15:47.820 at least that our people will have a certain need for a moral framework and a religion something that
00:15:55.940 you could adhere to now of course it's been uh the the pride ideology for for quite some time i'm i'm not
00:16:02.920 sure how long that will last but certainly now that is how you should view it at least so don't
00:16:08.300 necessarily if someone comes to to stockholm then sees all of these flags don't necessarily view it as
00:16:15.460 an expression of lbtq rights but more as an expression of religion as an expression of adhering to the
00:16:24.000 socially acceptable norms oh and also it'll go away if it stops being profitable so
00:16:31.300 when they move on to the next zeitgeist basically yeah yeah definitely that's something to keep in
00:16:36.680 mind as well that most companies and many institutions the church in this case they're
00:16:42.900 simply following the zeitgeist and who determines the moral framework i have talked about this in
00:16:48.420 telegram posts the the moral framework who controls it yeah it's basically who steers the ship in in what
00:16:55.760 direction so yeah moving on i i thought to just ask you about um your own enlightenment journey so if
00:17:03.540 you could elaborate a bit on your on your belief in um in the higher do you believe in god uh i'm
00:17:11.320 apatheistic with regards to a deity that is uh i've just stopped thinking about it for the most part
00:17:17.020 and i'm more interested in tradition in magic the occult in general pan-occultism um lore history i'm
00:17:24.860 interested in it partially from an academic perspective partially from a practitioner's
00:17:29.120 perspective but i don't think that they can be genuinely objectively known whether there is a
00:17:34.120 deity and even if that could be proven the form of that deity or that cosmic force pantheon whatever
00:17:41.180 you want to call it so i don't really i don't spend as much time thinking about it anymore i'm not
00:17:46.320 atheistic i don't say that there is no god god is dead but at the same time i'm not a theist i don't
00:17:52.460 say well there's got to be some higher power i simply don't know but if we're talking about magic
00:17:59.120 would you agree that there is uh what shall we call it a metaphysical dimension that we can reach
00:18:04.900 with our will and by accessing that power we can influence the the physical realm the the reality as
00:18:11.600 we see in front of us yes i would agree with that i would also say to people i mean there might be
00:18:17.340 someone who watches this who's more secular and more skeptical about these things if you study
00:18:22.160 uh string theory and a few other elements within just physics we're talking just mainline science
00:18:28.520 you can conclude from that if you interpret that material in certain ways that magic would be very
00:18:35.520 very real it also could admit the existence of a deity yeah yeah so uh on a related note i'm actually
00:18:42.620 writing on my second book now and i am elaborating in the book on the placebo effect which i think is
00:18:49.740 supremely uh interesting so i suppose most of our listeners now know that i have been in the the gym
00:18:57.760 world for uh well for a decade or even more than a decade and of course i do own a supplement company so
00:19:03.680 i i try to keep um keep updated on the latest research and i will make probably a separate video on this
00:19:11.880 but i will mention it here that the greatest supplement you can possibly take is the one you
00:19:17.580 believe in so if you believe that a certain supplement will do a certain thing or even a
00:19:23.060 medication and you believe in it enough it will have an effect so this and there are many studies
00:19:30.900 showing this by the way uh this tells me at least that you know you can do so many things via magic
00:19:38.020 uh if we use the term magic to denote you know uh a change in the physical so a change in your
00:19:45.760 physiology in your body based on your own shall we say metaphysical powers so to speak so for someone
00:19:54.280 who is skeptical that is something too that's a good starting point that's actually one of these things
00:19:59.240 that got me thinking about the um uh yeah the the magical side of things so when i say magical i mean
00:20:06.040 a change you can influence in the physical world via your your metaphysical so to speak so you enter
00:20:15.840 um a state of mind with your will uh and who gives you your will perhaps god i am not i need to meditate
00:20:24.000 more upon it but anyway you can reach that and you can influence the the physical extremely important
00:20:30.540 when uh when talking about things such as yeah supplementation or or training or or uh whatever
00:20:37.400 really yeah it extends to the idea of the iron will just using sheer willpower to do things i think
00:20:44.380 that the effects that are caused by magic which you know i've personally witnessed so i have no reason
00:20:49.480 to doubt them i think they go beyond placebo effects and simple willpower i think there's something
00:20:54.400 considerably more unexplained there but in many cases yes that would definitely be the case and i
00:21:00.140 one thing i would say is i fail to see how putting and i know you're not saying this but i mean some people do
00:21:06.300 uh how putting one's iron will to a particular goal and causing mass change thereby think of napoleon
00:21:14.180 or something like that is really remarkably different from ritualism anyway and if we look at some of the
00:21:20.260 greatest thinkers and leaders of the world the enormous proportion of them have at least dabbled with the occult
00:21:25.840 yeah yeah definitely so uh you have uh you have dabbled in the occult yourself do you have any
00:21:34.440 how how did you start was it by meditation and stuff like that or was it via some grimoire some sort of
00:21:41.880 meditation you found or give us give us an origin story well when i was a small child i was visited by
00:21:48.520 what you know christians at least would colloquially term a demon specifically stole us uh giving me various
00:21:55.000 inspiration and uh later on when i sort of remembered about those experiences because i had
00:22:00.380 gone through you know the christian phase you're not going to you know do demonology as a christian
00:22:04.680 and i went through the atheistic phase where i just sort of lost faith in anything now so you're not
00:22:09.640 going to delve into magic there i had i had an interest in uh studying about it but i didn't have any
00:22:15.960 interest in in really doing a deep dive but when i sort of reconsidered you know my life and the
00:22:22.080 experiences that i had i said well there might be there might be something there uh let's see what
00:22:26.980 we can do and i ended up uh delving into occult literature and that became the backbone of all
00:22:32.920 of my success really i don't think people realize um up until you know starting streaming every day
00:22:38.620 more recently the bulk of all of my income has been related to books it hasn't been related to video
00:22:43.880 making all right right i've i've released uh 400 different editions on amazon all right so uh if i
00:22:52.700 understood it correctly you have written some books yourself and then you have edited previous works
00:22:57.440 yeah i've edited about 400 works and i've got a half a dozen already done for the next slew of them but
00:23:03.300 i've authored about two dozen works as well a small number of full-length works a couple of fictional
00:23:09.640 works and mostly uh my thoughts and i like i did fruits of eden which is a about a cult botany
00:23:15.280 basically and uh some political works and then some funny satire works like i did 101 commie jokes
00:23:22.480 and things like that critical race theory debunked which which became a bestseller somehow oh yeah i i
00:23:30.260 have i have fun doing it so i figure i'm going to keep a good thing going all right nice nice so do you
00:23:36.120 do you do in a special ritual do you do you pray to the muses to come and visit you with creative
00:23:41.200 inspiration or do you just have it uh all the time no i just find it comes automatically especially
00:23:46.860 when i get into a goofy mood where i'm like having my jollies off thinking about deranged things i find
00:23:52.600 that's when i get my best inspiration yeah makes sense makes sense so what would you say for anyone who
00:23:59.040 is listening to this who thinks you know this occult stuff magic it sounds interesting if you could
00:24:05.460 give a few a few book recommendations to start with to to get a good yeah a first uh first step
00:24:12.260 into the occult what would you say yeah if they're interested in magic in general you can do a deep
00:24:17.920 dive and get free digital material on archive.org of basically every description so think about
00:24:23.680 something related to magic like alchemy um black magic um shintoism it doesn't matter any any religion
00:24:31.300 any anthropological subject either just search for it on archive.org and then you can potentially find
00:24:36.660 a hardcover or paperback copies of those works if you're interested in perusing them physically i would
00:24:42.300 say uh the black arts by richard cavendish is a good one the book of ceremonial magic by a.e. wait
00:24:48.900 that's an old classic originally under a totally different title that was uh released uh by
00:24:54.300 de laurence and uh i can't remember i think it was called the book of black magic and of pacts or
00:24:58.820 something and had a bunch of filler and weight was probably flipping out at the time uh occultism for
00:25:04.360 beginners by william dower that's a theosophical work but it delves far beyond the realm of just core
00:25:09.960 theosophy so and i also be oh sorry sorry for interrupting is to clarify theosophy is the the teachings of
00:25:17.540 madame blavatsky correct yeah and later on of others annie besant notably all right and veity is
00:25:24.940 um is the found is the well perhaps not creator but he has a famous tarot deck correct uh yes all
00:25:32.100 right right okay sorry for for interrupting do no i oh no i was just going to say that i've also
00:25:37.140 released a number of compilational works that take some of the works that i've edited and compress
00:25:41.820 them together like there's a compilation for alchemy there's a compilation for demonology
00:25:46.400 specifically from the more historical and academic perspective on that one um folk folk
00:25:51.600 medicine folk magic and incantations i released those because i realized i had this vast core of
00:25:57.680 literature and it made sense to make some full length work so these are three four hundred pages in
00:26:02.860 length oh right right so uh since you mentioned alchemy um i thought to to ask you about it um i read
00:26:12.400 the hermetic tradition by julius evola a while back i had to reread it directly upon finishing it it was
00:26:19.340 quite uh quite heavy quite uh hard to uh to get through but uh is that something you have uh delved
00:26:26.860 into as well alchemy yeah i have a deep interest in alchemy um what i would say is what i've what i've
00:26:33.100 come to the conclusion of is that virtually all alchemical works fall under one of two banners
00:26:38.120 there are works about chemistry that use spiritual language as a mask so that so instead of talking
00:26:45.340 about uh decanting the spirit you're talking about the ascent of the angels or something
00:26:50.000 and spiritual works and this is converse this is something that's not mentioned enough spiritual
00:26:54.960 works that masquerade as chemical works so you're i'm the two things are basically twain i guess as
00:27:01.340 above so below applies here in my opinion virtually all alchemical works fall under one of those two banners
00:27:07.660 now there are just straight up chemical recipes and things like that that's more notably what
00:27:12.140 alchemy is regarded as but i've noted that there are some works that appear to be telling more of a
00:27:16.880 spiritual story like uh was it uh the keys of edoxus i think is one of them and uh they're telling a
00:27:22.620 spiritual story but there's there's chemical preparations or illusions that are made and it's
00:27:27.560 sort of like a masquerade it's cryptography of a sort to to be clear i don't think that most of
00:27:33.180 these people were actually attempting to turn uh other substances into gold they were making other
00:27:38.420 useful chemical preparations universal medicine or elixir or its precursor ixir and others there's a
00:27:45.580 fascinating work about the ever-burning lights of trithemius by a third party i can't remember which
00:27:51.280 author it was by it was talking about some of these uh sort of glow lamps that they had that for
00:27:56.660 centuries would continue to give light and it looks almost like uh they they developed a primitive
00:28:02.020 concept of phosphorescence or some sort of slow chemical reaction at the time it's not entirely
00:28:06.880 clear i remember a work of saturn by hollandis which was talking about uh using lead uh as a medicine
00:28:14.600 and sort of melting it down into wine and drinking it and this will sweat out the fever i'm thinking
00:28:20.540 yeah of course it will so uh speaking of julius evola have you read many of his books by the way
00:28:26.800 no i haven't okay right right because one of this reoccurring he has a few themes which they they
00:28:33.740 come up in many of his works and one of these takes he has uh as opposed to the the takes of
00:28:41.780 rené guinon so evola says that the red work in alchemy so the the more warrior element is uh the highest
00:28:50.540 whereas rené guinon uh puts the the contemplation of the priest caste uh on top in the hierarchy
00:28:59.820 so evola he points to the roman emperor being both emperor and pontifex maximus
00:29:05.300 so a combination of the the spiritual and the temporal uh and guinon then being perhaps a bit more
00:29:13.160 bookish than evola evola being of the kshatriya the warrior caste guinon claims that the the contemplation
00:29:19.720 of the brahman is the highest do you have any any take on these matters yeah i think that if
00:29:25.700 you're going to have a pragmatic society capable of functioning then both would be important you need
00:29:30.180 a warrior caste to defend from various threats uh simply contemplating them is not going to make
00:29:36.060 them go away and then those warriors will need a form of morality or order uh that would be uh from
00:29:42.540 without uh generally speaking i would say that ultimately the most important would be the uh the
00:29:47.620 peasant class though because they're the ones growing all the food and an army marches on its
00:29:51.640 stomach and the priest needs something to offer at the altar this is too often forgotten yeah yeah
00:29:57.900 definitely that is true uh and uh disclaimer here as well that um i thought to mention since i've
00:30:04.600 reviewed so many of evola's works i will say that i i don't agree with all of his takes i have said
00:30:11.040 this as well in at least one review that of course i i'm a bit more um um sympathetic to the common man
00:30:18.500 than evola of course he had his perspective as an aristocrat evola has very many interesting
00:30:25.060 esoteric teachings but his social and political takes aren't always uh perhaps the most reasonable
00:30:32.580 um so uh yeah i i just thought to mention that but anyway talking about um hinduism or perhaps i
00:30:40.640 shouldn't say hinduism perhaps i should say vedic spirituality uh i saw that you talked about it in
00:30:47.240 in a recent video actually you talked about some uh occult of the left-hand path uh in in india would you
00:30:55.380 uh would you just care to introduce the the right hand and left hand path to anyone who isn't familiar
00:31:01.600 with the terms yeah right and left hand path the right hand path is orderly religion it's prescribed
00:31:07.640 it's exterior it's going to church and things of that nature the left hand path is more individualistic
00:31:13.580 and can seem more drastic it would be returning to hinduism it would be like uh comparing the average
00:31:20.740 hindu worshippers okay they have their hanuman statue or ganesha or they pray to shiva they pray and
00:31:27.740 they go to the temple and leave the flowers or the money or something and and try to do good charitable
00:31:33.740 works and stuff that'd be very right hand path it's prescribed it's very orderly the left hand path would
00:31:39.400 be the agori who have decided no screw that shit and they've just decided to burn out all guilt all fear
00:31:45.760 and all all negativity from themselves by having absolutely no guilt and fear and simply not allowing
00:31:51.780 it through sort of dissociation through flagellating themselves urinating on one another imbibing drugs
00:31:59.600 cannibalism uh dwelling in charnel grounds they literally smear funeral ashes on themselves they're
00:32:06.180 considered very holy by some of the lower classes especially in rural india and what they do is they're
00:32:12.400 practicing effectively what what is referred to as a shabha meditation on on the corpse for instance
00:32:18.380 uh conceiving of yourself in the state of death still aware enough to feel crepitation to feel rot
00:32:25.980 and decay and to go cold because that will happen to the average person who dies unless they're
00:32:30.740 vaporized or something in an explosion uh i hate to tell people this but you're going to feel the early
00:32:36.460 part of your physical death um in bursts in in little bursts and spurts and it won't be pleasant
00:32:43.260 uh if you meditate upon the the inevitability of that fact before you die at least you won't be
00:32:48.780 afraid of it the agori simply take that uh hyperbolically like on steroids and they don't
00:32:55.120 care about their physical bodies uh they again they do bloodletting and and crazy stuff they assault
00:33:01.020 one another and they do it freely ah yeah i um i i suppose it's uh it's one way to reach the divine
00:33:09.260 perhaps not the the path i would take but uh each to his own so basically if i understood correctly as
00:33:16.360 well that left hand path uh is more about um antinomian controversial social behavior uh and
00:33:25.780 right hand path is to just stick to to dogma is that correct that's that's sort of what it pertains
00:33:32.080 to the left hand path invites experimentation and magic and things like that the right hand path
00:33:37.480 says there is a prescribed form of spiritual ritualism and you must adhere to that alone
00:33:43.140 so i suppose you are um without being an um a hindu agora uh you still believe that the left hand
00:33:53.460 path is a good path to take for anyone who um wants to explore the the occult today i don't think that
00:34:01.000 it's a good path for just anyone i think people should i think for the average person the right hand
00:34:06.040 path is the right way to go um because the average person is not going to be able to they're not going
00:34:11.980 to be able to make any use of the left hand path it requires personal experimentation and awareness on
00:34:16.520 a level that a lot a lot of people don't have the time to practice they have to they they want to do
00:34:23.060 their normal nine to five and things like that the left hand path is much more independent
00:34:27.280 so unless a person unless a person is in a very independent position like i happen to be and has
00:34:33.440 that sort of you could say luciferian or promethean drive towards these things and can't live a normal
00:34:39.560 right hand path existence spiritually they probably should just go to church or something like that
00:34:44.880 yeah makes perfect sense so moving on to more practical applications do you have any sort of
00:34:52.320 uh meditation daily routine anything of the sort yeah i meditate uh when i lay in bed at night
00:35:00.160 specifically i do some physical meditation just sort of being aware of the different parts of my body as
00:35:05.660 i start to fall asleep and sometimes this can aid in lucid dreaming so it's uh something that i've taken
00:35:11.580 up over the last few months i've never i've never been able to meditate to sound like you know oh breathe in
00:35:17.800 breathe out hear the sound of your breath let your mind wander or something like that i know because
00:35:23.720 i'm an adhd kid so i could never get the hang of that but what i did find is that if i focus on the
00:35:28.320 tangibility of my body like the sensation of its existence i can do that all right right so so you haven't
00:35:35.400 you aren't a fan of the wim hof breathing exercise no it doesn't work for me at all all right right yeah
00:35:41.840 so how about the chakras is that something you uh you meditate upon so activation of the chakras
00:35:49.080 i'm more interested in the self-awareness that comes with it but i did have an interesting
00:35:53.460 experience one on mescaline uh actually if i can describe that yeah yeah sure sounds interesting yeah
00:35:59.580 uh when i took mescaline the second time this was again years ago so don't worry the statute of
00:36:04.800 limitations is closed on my drug use by now uh i was a college kid i was confused i i took it and
00:36:12.340 uh i felt this weird tingling all up and down my spine and like i was seeing hallucinations because
00:36:18.400 you know i took mescaline i almost was ignoring them because of the physical sensation and it
00:36:23.120 really did align with sort of the chakra thing because it was exactly those same points that felt
00:36:29.320 like they were vibrating or being massaged sort of like inside of the flesh itself i thought it was
00:36:35.840 great all right yeah sounds uh sounds nice so speaking of this um i suppose you could call it
00:36:42.640 corrosive waters in alchemical terminology uh would you say that these type of drugs are they are a
00:36:51.060 shortcut to uh to certain uh states of mind do you think you could reach these uh sensations even
00:36:58.680 without drugs um they're not a shortcut to any full enlightenment but they can be a starting point
00:37:05.000 because they can sort of change the way in which you think about things a lot of people they won't
00:37:10.120 believe in magic or even regular spirituality because they don't believe that it's possible
00:37:14.400 but then you give them psilocybin uh and and they see the frogmen dancing around or you give them
00:37:21.020 dmt and they meet god or machine elves all of a sudden that changes the way in which they think
00:37:26.880 about the world admitting the possibility makes it possible with regards to spirituality otherwise
00:37:31.780 you can achieve absolutely nothing yeah makes perfect sense so same thing with this um ayahuasca
00:37:38.560 i believe it's called yeah mescaline won't open your chakras but it can give you a sensation that
00:37:44.120 lets you know that something akin to that basic concept is physically possible to have as an experience
00:37:49.540 thus meaning that you can potentially get yourself to experiment further with meditation
00:37:54.620 yogic practice whatever you happen to be doing all right right so uh last question which religion or
00:38:03.400 metaphysics would you say that you're most uh uh most akin to or which which religion do you feel
00:38:11.180 makes the most sense to you as a person i don't think any organized religion makes sense
00:38:16.280 i am i am still i may not be anti-theistic i'm not against spirituality but i am against the
00:38:22.900 existence of organized religions from the left-hand path the organized side is all basically the same
00:38:28.980 there's good and there's bad in all of them the problem is that organizational structure creates
00:38:33.800 corruption and corrupt people will tend to be drawn to that centralized corruption the same way as as
00:38:40.040 having a too powerful state uh corrupts itself and collapses over time when i see uh churches i see
00:38:46.640 wonderful architecture but it's being inhabited by charlatans mainly the same mosques and synagogues
00:38:52.560 and temples even as a pagan i would say pagan temples are the same way you look at some asatru folk
00:38:58.840 assembly sets up a long house or something they built a beautiful long house with ornate gardens
00:39:04.240 they've got their sacred groves and rocks and all sorts of wonderful things that are very nature-like and
00:39:09.560 of course the more closely it approximates nature the more i'm going to like it but then you go inside and
00:39:14.580 and you see someone with pink hair uh preaching about uh diversity quotas possibly uh-huh right
00:39:20.280 or maybe there is a skinhead and they're telling you to hate other groups of people and insinuating
00:39:25.880 that maybe something should be done about them and it's it's that level of corruption that keeps me away
00:39:30.540 from any organized religion i would say as far as the founding doctrines of religion i'm interested
00:39:35.680 in them all um christianity islam especially sufism uh and mystic judaism hinduism would be a big one
00:39:43.700 for me but i'm not interested in any of the religions themselves in the uh structural sense
00:39:47.840 right right so i will just note though that i i don't know everything about them but as far as i
00:39:54.000 know the asatru folk assembly are good people though so i i will just say that as a yes i was just using
00:40:01.120 i was just using an example yeah yeah of course i i completely understand and i understand that you
00:40:06.400 mean um organized religion uh yeah generally know that there are neo-pagan groups that are very much
00:40:12.260 woke yeah yeah i i have encountered them uh myself and of course they they make me angry well not angry
00:40:20.780 because i don't let them influence my own mental landscape i think you make them more angry than
00:40:26.580 yeah probably probably i do i do so uh yeah just uh just a note on uh kabbalah uh is that something you
00:40:34.240 have uh any knowledge of yes yes i like kabbalah mystic judaism gematria associated with the uh
00:40:42.200 mystical uh numeric practices although there are so many different subsystems of it it's
00:40:47.020 almost impossible to actually study because you have to pick the right one for any historical work
00:40:51.900 all right right so if someone wants to read about the kabbalah is there any good starting place
00:40:58.040 um unless you really want to really get deep into an occult system that is extremely complex and
00:41:05.420 convoluted i would choose something else but read read the sephir yetzerah i would say all right cool
00:41:12.300 i know you have fatherly duties to attend to so i will uh i will stop with the with the questions now
00:41:19.300 but thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us and uh yeah i have sated my curiosity
00:41:26.180 very nice to get your take on things and hopefully it's been enlightening to all of our listeners as
00:41:33.600 well so uh where to find you i suppose most know where to find your youtube channel stick sex and
00:41:39.620 hammer 666 and of course on odyssey uh and on the other video platforms as well same on twitter uh are
00:41:48.600 you on i'm sticks i'm stick 666 official on twitter the original handle was uh sat upon by a by a fan of
00:41:55.780 mine and uh we fell out of contact so it's all right right okay that is noted so any any other
00:42:02.180 place people should know of yes since we're talking about the occult and things like that if you are
00:42:06.980 interested in paperback editions of some of those major occult works you can visit the tarl warwick
00:42:12.200 books blog uh that's on blogspot or on wordpress and all of those are links to amazon there's different
00:42:18.020 categories and i've tried to organize it as much as possible all right awesome i will link the i will link
00:42:24.520 your home page uh in the first link in the description box you can check that out if you're
00:42:30.180 interested and yeah with that being said i would like to thank you so much for coming on the show
00:42:38.240 yeah it was my pleasure anytime all right perfect xoxo boom
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