The Great America Show - December 30, 2022


2022 WRAP-UP： LOU DISCUSSES SOME OF THE TOP ISSUES THAT PLAGUED AMERICA THIS YEAR WITH THE NATIONS TOP GUESTS

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corruption in FBI Kevin McCarthy leadership
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Lou Dobbs John Fawcett
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Kevin McCarthy Matt Gaetz James Galeano Robert Malone Jim Jordan Bob Good Matt Rosendale Liz Cheney Paul Ryan Hanlon Michael Turner Bill Barr Ron DeSantis Mark Meadows Jake Tapper Andy Biggs Anthony Fauci Elon Musk McConnell Goode
HARMEET DHILLON SAYS THE RNC IS NOT WORKING TO THE BENEFIT OF THE GOP, PAYING FUNDRAISING FEES AS HIGH AS 40%. SHES RUNNING TO UNSEAT RONNA MCDANIEL TO FIX THE PROBLEMS. WILL IT BE THE YEAR OF THE RINO OR WILL THE AMERICA FIRST REPUBLICANS BLOCK KEVIN MCCARTHY FROM BECOMING SPEAKER？

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As we say goodbye to 2022, I thought it might be interesting to listen to a few folks talk about a few issues that we have to resolve soon, certainly in 2023. First up, former FBI agent James Gellano talks about all of the corruption in the DOJ and FBI, and the COVID virus that is spreading from China to the rest of the world. Then, Dr. Robert Malone talks about whether we should be vaccinating at all. And on January 3rd, the 118th Congress convenes with a new Republican majority.

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00:00:00.000 Hello everybody and welcome to the Great America Show. I'm Lou Dobbs wishing you a very happy new
00:00:06.160 year. 2022 is coming to an end with greater speed than we might have imagined. For a while there,
00:00:13.300 2022 was a bit of a drag. I'd say right after the disappointing midterm elections, it was
00:00:19.460 deeply disappointing. It took a week for all of us, I suspect, all of us America firsters and
00:00:25.880 MAGA supporters to collect ourselves and ready ourselves for the long march battle that faces us.
00:00:33.040 The Marxist Dems are reveling in their victories and there's no sense whatsoever in the rest of us
00:00:38.900 spending our time calling them out for their lies, their bad faith, and even worse, their criminal
00:00:44.560 efforts to destroy the nation. They're advancing their agenda and we're doing too little to slow
00:00:50.400 them to stop them. And that has to change and change in the new year. Today, as we say adios to
00:00:58.020 2022, I thought it might be interesting to listen to a few folks about a few issues that we have to
00:01:05.200 resolve soon, certainly in 2023. We talked a lot about DOJ FBI corruption in 2022 and with good reason.
00:01:14.780 There was lots of it. We talked with FBI veteran and CBS News security analyst James Galeano about all
00:01:22.660 of that corruption and the COVID virus that is again spreading from China to the rest of the world.
00:01:29.700 We turned to biochemist, virologist, and inventor of mRNA on whether we should be vaccinating at all,
00:01:37.020 Dr. Robert Malone. And on January 3rd, the 118th Congress convenes with a new Republican majority.
00:01:44.520 And one of the many big issues is who will lead Congress as Speaker of the House.
00:01:50.560 Now that battle pits rhino Kevin McCarthy versus conservative Congressman Andy Biggs
00:01:56.400 and the America First Republicans. Virginia Congressman Bob Good, member of the Freedom Caucus,
00:02:03.060 on why the Republicans must find a committed America First leader to be their speaker.
00:02:09.040 Also, you'll hear from Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz. He opposes Kevin McCarthy.
00:02:13.980 Congressman Gaetz says he would consider almost any other congressman but Kevin McCarthy.
00:02:20.780 You'll hear why here today. First up, former FBI agent James Galeano.
00:02:26.620 We now know because of the Twitter files, William Barr's book, and more than a few FBI whistleblowers
00:02:32.980 that the Justice Department, the FBI, has been riddled with corruption for years.
00:02:39.340 And the top officials of the FBI and DOJ have led the way.
00:02:45.560 James, your reaction to learning the depth of the corruption in the FBI?
00:02:50.860 Well, I got to tell you, Lou, you're right.
00:02:53.640 I spent 25 years, a full one half of my life when I retired at the age of 50.
00:02:59.900 And I love the organization. I continue to love it.
00:03:04.480 I believe the core tenets of it, fidelity, bravery, and integrity, still resonate,
00:03:10.960 and they still mean something to the vast majority of agents that work there.
00:03:15.380 Look, I served under four of the only eight FBI directors in the Bureau's history,
00:03:21.080 and the Bureau started as the Bureau of Investigation back in 1908.
00:03:24.620 And, Lou, I think for a long time now in the media, you know, I've been out for six years,
00:03:29.880 I've been holding on to Hanlon's razor.
00:03:33.100 And, you know, Hanlon's razor is that famous aphorism that says, 1.00
00:03:37.980 never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity or incompetence. 0.98
00:03:44.600 And I held on to that throughout all the insanity of, you know, mid-year review 0.98
00:03:50.700 and the Russian collusion case and those investigations and the IG investigations and reports.
00:03:58.420 But I'll tell you, Lou, I mean, corruption is a strong word,
00:04:02.220 but I struggle now not to sense there to be the pervasion of partisanship
00:04:10.060 in an agency that needs to remain nonpolitical, apolitical, nonpartisan.
00:04:15.880 Yeah, I think that they are, as you say, deeply partisan.
00:04:21.420 It's a deeply corrupted agency.
00:04:25.580 And I think the difficult thing for most of us is to say they are so corrupt
00:04:32.780 that there is no longer a basic core to the FBI that is both decent and honorable
00:04:41.620 and faithful to their constitutional oaths of office.
00:04:47.380 We are looking at what has been an assault on a president for now.
00:04:53.020 It's in the seventh year.
00:04:54.700 We're looking at two impeachments, two special counsels now.
00:05:00.120 We've had more than three years of investigations of this president.
00:05:04.180 And frankly, the only wrongdoing that's been uncovered is the straight-out lies
00:05:11.100 of four successive directors of the FBI and a large number of FBI agents
00:05:20.640 and Department of Justice officials who are clearly politically corrupt.
00:05:28.500 The American people right now, I truly believe, are in something of a state of shock
00:05:35.060 at what we are now coming to terms with.
00:05:38.800 Yeah, I think some of it, look, we're all fallible, flawed human beings.
00:05:43.620 I'm not breaking new ground there.
00:05:45.740 And we're all, you know, we all have our own implicit biases.
00:05:49.760 But one of the things that I felt that allowed me to pride myself
00:05:53.420 on being a part of the Federal Bureau of Investigation was,
00:05:57.640 Lou, the 25 years that I was in that organization,
00:06:01.380 and I left on December 31st of 2015,
00:06:06.080 was the fact that I never knew what my colleagues' political, ideological bents were.
00:06:12.220 We didn't talk about it.
00:06:13.840 We talked sports.
00:06:15.280 We talked home life.
00:06:17.860 You know, we broke stones.
00:06:19.220 We left.
00:06:19.820 We did what cops do.
00:06:20.900 We never, ever, ever discuss matters of a political stripe.
00:06:27.100 And I just believe that as the Bureau is changing demographically,
00:06:30.940 and I'm not speaking about race, creed, color, ethnicity, sexual orientation,
00:06:36.780 but as it changes ideologically, where for the longest period of time, Lou,
00:06:42.500 the Bureau was a staunchly conservative outfit.
00:06:45.840 That didn't mean that people just voted Republican who were FBI agents,
00:06:49.260 but it was a conservative outfit.
00:06:52.480 It's not anymore.
00:06:54.020 And I think a lot of the ideological changes has resulted in,
00:06:59.680 and I'll use the A word, activism,
00:07:02.040 just like we see on the Supreme Court,
00:07:04.060 and we see on the federal bench where you have liberal justices that decide
00:07:07.980 not to read the Constitution the way it is written,
00:07:12.020 but to interpret it to fit their worldview.
00:07:15.580 And, Lou, I think that's affected the FBI as well.
00:07:19.980 James Galliano, a great American.
00:07:22.700 Let's turn now to what appears to be an upcoming rerun of January of 2020.
00:07:27.880 That's right, COVID returns.
00:07:30.640 Public health officials seem confused about that new variant of the Chinese virus COVID,
00:07:35.720 so we face perhaps a triple threat of the Chinese virus,
00:07:39.560 the return of the flu virus, and RSV, a highly contagious respiratory virus.
00:07:46.520 Turning to Dr. Malone, his thoughts on this iteration of COVID
00:07:50.700 and the role of public health agencies, the medical establishment, and big pharma.
00:07:55.780 Okay, so absolutely we have been subjected to three years of chronic fear porn
00:08:06.060 and information warfare to serve a variety of interests.
00:08:11.360 It's hard to disambiguate exactly what they are.
00:08:13.880 Long ago, it seems like forever, I had mentioned in various podcasts
00:08:18.420 that the general arc of what happens when a new pathogen,
00:08:24.080 especially a viral pathogen, especially a RNA respiratory virus pathogen,
00:08:30.060 enters the global human population.
00:08:32.860 And the tendency is when it jumps from another species or from a laboratory,
00:08:38.660 so it's a novel pathogen, it enters the human population.
00:08:42.040 In general, what happens is that it will go through an evolutionary process fairly rapidly
00:08:48.380 and typically become less pathogenic and more highly infectious.
00:08:54.980 And the alternative hypothesis has been that that Gert van der Basche has promoted appropriately.
00:09:03.580 I'm not criticizing him in any way.
00:09:05.380 But there's always the risk in virology and public health that a virus could take a different path
00:09:15.020 and evolve to become more pathogenic.
00:09:17.800 The good news is that it looks like this thing is on track as I had originally hoped it would be,
00:09:25.760 and we are getting agents which are more highly infectious and less pathogenic.
00:09:32.280 So we absolutely have clear indications that the virus has evolved to escape the immune response
00:09:44.920 elicited by the vaccine products.
00:09:49.700 And I hesitate to call them vaccines, whatever we want to call them, the jabs. 0.99
00:09:53.860 And it also has evaded virtually all of the monoclonal antibody products that were generated here in the United States
00:10:04.640 for the American population.
00:10:06.980 And those have all been basically withdrawn because they're no longer effective.
00:10:11.740 So that teaches us a lot about monoclonal antibodies and respiratory viruses.
00:10:18.580 But I think that it's, you know, the administration has yet again spun up another kind of dark winter,
00:10:31.980 ominous foreboding storyline, go get your vaccines, et cetera.
00:10:37.620 Remember that they've appropriated, without congressional authorization,
00:10:42.400 they have essentially reappropriated HHS funds to the tune of about $475 million
00:10:48.700 to promote the bivalent vaccines, which, depending on which study you look at,
00:10:55.960 only 11% to 14% of the population have accepted.
00:11:00.160 And they're very frustrated because we're not all willing sheep.
00:11:03.840 And we think, so many of us are thinking for ourselves,
00:11:07.920 even Tony Fauci was on record during his, you know,
00:11:12.920 last pass at the D.C. press tour a couple weekends ago,
00:11:16.820 expressing frustration that his opponents seem to be winning,
00:11:22.840 as measured by the unwillingness of the population to take the products,
00:11:28.380 particularly these bivalent boosters and the jabs for kids.
00:11:33.840 So that's where it's at.
00:11:36.360 I think we've now been through two dark winter forecasts from the president of the United States,
00:11:42.780 particularly last year.
00:11:44.140 As I remember, he was predicting widespread death in the unvaccinated.
00:11:48.960 I'm very glad that that prediction did not come to pass.
00:11:54.420 We all are.
00:11:55.200 We all are.
00:11:55.760 I hope he is glad, too, that those dark warnings did not manifest.
00:12:01.600 They may not have been politically useful that that didn't happen,
00:12:05.120 but I hope he's committed to the health of absolutely some respiratory virus cruising around.
00:12:17.860 I don't I'm not convinced it's COVID or SARS-CoV-2.
00:12:22.200 I picked it up in Mexico City.
00:12:25.940 I've heard the cough all over the world as I've traveled.
00:12:29.040 I heard it in Istanbul.
00:12:31.220 There's something that's that's circulating.
00:12:33.620 It doesn't appear to be COVID.
00:12:35.340 I don't know exactly what it is, but it's not killing people.
00:12:38.900 So I think we can all tell Jake Tapper and his buddies at CNN to go pound sand and and not that I have anything personal against Jake and his family,
00:12:54.140 but I am a little tired of of his fear porn business model.
00:12:58.320 Well, he is he's fundamentally a left wing activist.
00:13:04.520 He is a he comes from the Marxist dim school of broadcasting.
00:13:10.740 That is, he was working for the Democrats in the open before he began working for them.
00:13:17.240 And I think he's a member of the he's CNN has got this amazing squad of members of the Council of Foreign Relations.
00:13:24.740 Right.
00:13:25.160 And he's one of them.
00:13:27.180 Well, there's a lot of that in the national media.
00:13:30.300 The CFR is, of course, their refuge from reality when they want to talk geopolitics.
00:13:37.020 It's it's really quite an organization funded to the hilt by corporate the corporatist driven by left wing politics and a neoliberal world order view.
00:13:51.320 So there you are.
00:13:52.560 Whoever's that.
00:13:53.140 I would love, Lou, if any time you want to riff on that, give me a call, because I think we could all learn a lot from you.
00:14:00.640 You've been around this business a long time and you kind of know where the bodies are buried.
00:14:05.400 Well, I know where some of them are.
00:14:07.040 My my my chief task over the years has been to keep mine from being buried.
00:14:13.100 But I would be delighted to do that.
00:14:16.600 Talk with you any time.
00:14:17.900 Always educational and entertaining, talking with another great American, Dr. Malone.
00:14:24.140 Well, January 3rd is now just days away.
00:14:27.380 What will happen on Capitol Hill in the battle for Speaker of the House?
00:14:31.680 Will it be another rhino or my personal favorite?
00:14:34.460 Will it be Congressman Jim Jordan?
00:14:36.600 Jordan, by the way, says he doesn't want the job, period.
00:14:39.500 Here now is Congressman Bob Good of Virginia on the fight for the leadership of the House of Representatives.
00:14:47.760 And will the Republican conference cave once again to the rhinos?
00:14:52.480 Well, we are resolved to demonstrate the courage necessary to bring true transformational change in the interest of the country, in the interest of the Congress and in the interest of the Republican Party.
00:15:04.320 I tell my colleagues who are in this battle with me, we will remember for the rest of our lives what we did at this time.
00:15:12.520 And we've got to make historic change.
00:15:15.000 The country is teetering, as you know.
00:15:17.600 There's so many crises that we could point to as the greatest threats to the country.
00:15:22.480 But the point is we can't do what we've always done.
00:15:25.380 As you know, we'll get what we've always got.
00:15:27.220 And the country cannot survive another two years of that.
00:15:30.340 And so we're resolving the battle.
00:15:31.780 We are going to deny Kevin McCarthy the speakership.
00:15:35.140 It's just a matter of that recognition being more widespread so we can more publicly vet quality candidates who can get us to 218 that represent the conservative center of the conference.
00:15:46.300 Well, that is that is that is absolutely warms my heart to hear you say that.
00:15:53.860 And I and I appreciate your forthrightness and and concrete statement that you're going to deny him the speakership, because I want to read everybody a tweet from the congressman about a week ago.
00:16:08.980 So what he tweeted this.
00:16:13.040 What has Kevin McCarthy done over the last two years to demonstrate he will challenge the status quo plaguing Washington and fight for the will of the American people as House Speaker?
00:16:24.820 Now, that was a that was over a week ago.
00:16:27.820 And I think you succinctly put forward the the proposition that a lot of people, whether they be in the national corporate media, whether they be on Capitol Hill is either Republican or Democrat.
00:16:41.420 That that that that was not succinctly anywhere else, as far as I know, put forward.
00:16:47.960 And I think you hit it right, right on the head from the from Jump Street in this collision of forces within the GOP conference itself.
00:16:58.960 What have you seen anything that would change your mind?
00:17:02.560 No, sir.
00:17:03.340 And really, Lou, if Republican members of Congress are honest, they would tell you that not supporting Kevin McCarthy is actually doing the will of the people who elected us.
00:17:16.380 You know, I often will say I'm not here to do the will of the people who voted against me because I told them what I was going to do and they voted against me.
00:17:24.300 I am here to do the will of the people who voted for me, the promises that I made to them on the things that I would fight for, the things that I would stand for and how I would cast my votes on their behalf.
00:17:33.840 And over the last three years, since I first started my journey to run for Congress in 2020, you know, in 2019, when I began the campaign, I have had hundreds and hundreds of voters and constituents in my district plead with me and beg me and implore me not to support Kevin McCarthy.
00:17:48.780 I came in 2020 and there was no challenge to him and no one was standing up against the status quo.
00:17:55.820 He was elected by acclamation.
00:17:57.480 I saw that as a freshman and I said, I will judge him based on what he does in my first two years.
00:18:03.640 And, Lou, he had an almost unique opportunity just as the minority leader to candidate alone for the opportunity to be speaker when we took the majority.
00:18:15.960 And there was nothing that he did during my first two years to earn my vote.
00:18:21.160 He failed time and again to lead.
00:18:23.520 He failed time and again to have a plan.
00:18:25.720 He failed time and again to use every tool at our disposal in a tight minority where we're just a few votes short of the majority.
00:18:32.980 And there's nothing, again, that you can point to to say, hey, that's the reason why he should be the leader.
00:18:38.440 And we're in it right now, Lou, as you know, what's going to happen in this lame duck spending fight?
00:18:44.660 You know, near and dear to your heart, get this better than anybody.
00:18:48.580 But we're not seeing the demand now.
00:18:52.740 The challenge to McConnell in the Senate that we in the House will provide no votes for this terrible spending package is going to try to get jammed down our throats and that we're not going to give no bipartisan cover to these weak, feeble senators who want to give them the 60 votes they need.
00:19:09.840 And that if they do this, we will fight them tooth and nail with everything we've got in the majority in 2013 and beyond if they do this to us and do this to the country.
00:19:21.500 Most importantly, he's got an opportunity in these two weeks to show the fight we haven't seen in two years.
00:19:27.480 Well, he does have that opportunity.
00:19:30.360 But instead, what we're getting is a sort of an a la carte version of an agenda.
00:19:35.320 Now he is promising because he sees that you guys are your backs are your spines are stiffening and you are really a now he understands, I believe, the dimension of the threat you pose to his dreams of the speakership.
00:19:50.720 He's saying that, yes, we'll have subpoenas.
00:19:53.280 We'll subpoena every one of those 51 intelligence veterans who will come before the for the House.
00:20:01.140 Now, my guess is he means that the House Intelligence Committee will will send those subpoenas out and then you will have a congressman chairing that committee that I personally don't believe is quite the right fellow for the job.
00:20:19.180 And I'm talking about Congressman Michael Turner.
00:20:23.020 He is he's a rhino. 0.50
00:20:25.700 There is no doubt of it.
00:20:27.540 He is not a man who had when he had an opportunity to take to take charge of an investigation, chose not to.
00:20:37.020 And I'm talking about with the CCP China.
00:20:40.620 He has disappointed me on numerous occasions.
00:20:44.580 I'd like to get your thinking on that.
00:20:48.020 Well, you're exactly right.
00:20:49.260 And unfortunately, sadly, though, Lou, he is representative of the majority of the chairman that we will have in the short run.
00:20:57.740 What this is about, it's not about a person or a personality.
00:21:00.900 But, yes, it is about the short run, this objective, this battle to get a better speaker for 2013 and 2014 for the next two years.
00:21:08.320 But the bigger long term picture is we're trying to break up the swamp cartel and we're trying to strike a blow against a system, a Republican system, mind you, that's hostile to conservatives, that's hostile to our base of voters, and it's hostile to the input of regular members.
00:21:26.520 Where we can't almost conceive, Lou, that we would have chairman of our committees that you would say, gosh, those are real fighters, those are real champions of conservatism, those are real change agents.
00:21:38.060 You know, Jim Jordan, sadly, is the exception.
00:21:41.020 And there's one or two others that are decent and okay.
00:21:44.520 But really, the majority of the rankers that we have that are in line to become chairman are those who will disappoint you.
00:21:51.460 They have played the game.
00:21:53.780 They have navigated the swamp system.
00:21:56.900 And that's what we're trying to do is to deal a blow to a system that's, frankly, hostile to the very things that we all run on and the very things we campaign against when we're asking folks to send us to Washington to battle against the Biden-Schumer-Pelosi agenda.
00:22:11.960 Bob Good, standing up for the American people and America First principles.
00:22:17.620 And now, Congressman Matt Gaetz, patriot, proud supporter of America First.
00:22:22.420 Congressman Gaetz, on where the contest for Speaker of the House will likely lead the Republicans come January 3rd.
00:22:30.800 I think the American people know that Washington is broken.
00:22:33.880 And we have a corrupt system that advances people through leadership based on their ability to launder special interest money from the PACs and the federal lobbyists into the coffers of members' campaigns.
00:22:47.760 And I think we ought to raise our gaze and be better than that and do something other than maybe what Washington would expect of us.
00:22:56.040 I think we need a fresh start.
00:22:57.540 I think in a very slim majority, we're going to need a speaker with broad credibility across every aspect of the Republican conference.
00:23:06.320 And we've got to find somebody who doesn't have five objectors.
00:23:09.980 And at the end of the day, we're in a process of elimination exercise right now.
00:23:15.300 I think there are 221 members of Congress out of the 222 I'd be open-minded to at least listen to and see if there's a vision to bring us together and to win against the Democrats.
00:23:28.780 Because what I recall out of Kevin McCarthy, when he was Paul Ryan's majority leader, and we actually had subpoena power, and Jim Jordan and Ron DeSantis and Mark Meadows and I were asking for it to expose a lot of these deep state lies before they manifested into what we see today, Kevin McCarthy sat on his hands.
00:23:49.380 He wasn't an advocate for strenuous oversight.
00:23:52.500 He was right there to do the bidding of Paul Ryan.
00:23:55.800 And I just don't think that he has passed the leadership test in the time that he's served in these various roles.
00:24:03.700 And I think if we had somebody new, we'd be far more effective.
00:24:08.180 And I think there are a lot of people who agree with you.
00:24:11.180 And what's really interesting to me, as I've covered these leadership battles over the years and votes, is that this is an outright threat against the conference.
00:24:23.680 There's Kevin McCarthy saying, you know, I mean, basically it would be Armageddon and the Democrats would take over.
00:24:30.520 And a lot of nonsense is spewed here.
00:24:33.900 When point of fact, what you're not doing is proceeding to follow the leader, as has been the case for the Republicans.
00:24:41.380 And it's how the Republicans got in this shape, in my opinion, Congressman, is they they are elected by moderates and conservatives and independents across the country and then come to Washington and then turn the whole thing over to rhinos. 0.72
00:24:56.860 And by the way, the Democratic Party doesn't have a counterpart to rhinos. 0.79
00:25:00.940 They don't have dinos.
00:25:01.980 So why do you guys always find a rhino to take over a conservative MAGA agenda, for example?
00:25:10.800 Well, the rhino is actually in its natural habitat at a lobbyist fundraiser.
00:25:15.780 They are the most adept and skilled and, you know, I think capable in an environment where basically you trade your vote to special interest groups that often have America last principles on trade and immigration that that they embrace.
00:25:33.900 And so the rhino is actually quite skilled at being able to convert special interest money into campaign money.
00:25:41.740 And it just so happens that's sort of the principal covenant of leadership to the members of the House of Representatives.
00:25:47.780 But it doesn't have to be that way.
00:25:50.040 We have work to do to investigate this administration on the border with the use of politics at the FBI,
00:25:57.680 with these horrible realizations that we're seeing through the Twitter files released by Elon Musk.
00:26:04.600 We have so much work to do.
00:26:06.280 And I just, you know, don't believe that we ought to begin that effort with somebody who, when the chips are down, seems to make poor judgment calls.
00:26:15.440 I mean, you'll remember when I initially sought the ouster of Liz Cheney after she backed impeachment and wouldn't shut up about it.
00:26:23.460 Kevin McCarthy stood before the conference and kept her in that position for months before ultimately acquiescing to her removal.
00:26:31.960 Like, that wasn't a good judgment call.
00:26:34.100 That's not someone who has passed the test of leadership.
00:26:37.260 You know, he was recorded on a phone conversation saying that because I traveled to Wyoming,
00:26:42.780 actually did your show from the steps of the Wyoming Capitol to make my political critique of Liz Cheney,
00:26:50.480 he said that that might have been provoking violence in our politics.
00:26:55.900 And, you know, I think we deserve leaders who understand that critique and debate are actually the things that stop a civilized society from devolving into violence.
00:27:06.300 But the argument people make for Kevin is that he's raised more money than anyone in the history of time for Republican candidates.
00:27:14.020 And so they think he just deserves it as a consequence.
00:27:17.400 And I don't think the country is well served if that is the principal metric.
00:27:22.620 And going to the metrics that I agree with you that do count, what has been his leadership moment?
00:27:29.540 What has been that decision he's taken, that position that he has staked out that required courage and principle and true leadership,
00:27:41.280 that for which he should be memorialized and also which would be the foundation of his seeking the speakership?
00:27:51.060 Well, he would point to the fact that he holds the record for the longest speech ever on the floor of the House of Representatives.
00:28:00.900 And to cite that in the absence of substantive wins for our people,
00:28:05.900 I think tells you all you need to know about the bloviating and blather that often constrains Washington, D.C., 0.94
00:28:12.840 rather than directing us to actually solve the problems that people are facing.
00:28:17.380 You know, the hobgoblin argument that's been thrown out there is that, oh, well,
00:28:23.720 if Republicans are divided on McCarthy, that somehow Hakeem Jeffries is going to become speaker.
00:28:29.460 The reality is Hakeem Jeffries has 212 votes and it takes 218 to become speaker.
00:28:35.060 And there are not six Republicans.
00:28:37.000 There's not one Republican that would vote for a Democrat, even the impeachers, even the most moderate among the group.
00:28:44.360 But, you know, the true question is whether or not Republicans will get into the posture of realizing that this is a process of elimination exercise,
00:28:54.820 or if we're going to begin our term in the majority, unable to elect a speaker.
00:29:01.100 And I've got to tell you, Lou, that could be a very real possibility.
00:29:04.340 We could go to the floor.
00:29:05.960 No person could be able to achieve 218 votes.
00:29:08.820 And we might have to work that out for a while.
00:29:12.440 And it might not be easy and it might not be quick.
00:29:15.180 But I'd rather make the right decision for the next two years than, you know,
00:29:20.520 have a bunch of hand rigging and bedwetting over whether or not it's going to take us two weeks or two months to figure it out.
00:29:27.480 Congressman Matt Gaetz, like all of the others you've heard here today, a great American.
00:29:32.540 Congressman Gaetz, Congressman Goode, Dr. Malone, and former FBI agent Galeano.
00:29:40.180 We thank them for their words of wisdom and their insight.
00:29:44.200 And thank you, everyone, for being with us today.
00:29:46.500 Please join us here Monday when our guest will be Congressman Matt Rosendale of the great state of Montana,
00:29:52.820 Congressman Rosendale among the Freedom Caucus fighters for America First principles and leadership.
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