The Great America Show - January 30, 2025


A NATION OF LAW, ORDER AND BORDERS


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Victor Avila is a former supervisor and special agent with ICE. He talks about the recent crash of an American Airlines Boeing 737 with a U.S. Army Blackhawk helicopter, and what the government should have done to prevent it.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.
00:00:05.060 It's great to have you with us today.
00:00:06.300 Thanks so much for joining us.
00:00:08.000 I want to begin today's show with sending our condolences and prayers to the families
00:00:12.800 of those 67 so tragically killed last night in Washington, D.C., when that commercial
00:00:18.580 American Airlines airliner was collided with by a military U.S. Army Blackhawk 3.
00:00:24.940 Three killed in that and 64 killed in the passenger airliner.
00:00:30.780 I'm still not sure what happened.
00:00:33.520 Investigation underway.
00:00:35.360 But what we do know is 67 confirmed dead, the first major tragic airline incident since 2009.
00:00:43.020 We pray for those families who were so tragically taken away, not able to go home to their loved
00:00:48.320 ones last night.
00:00:49.960 So our thoughts and prayers are with you all and the families of those three military members.
00:00:54.940 Today's episode, folks, we're going to be talking about the border, something that we
00:00:59.180 often talk about on this show.
00:01:00.820 It's not often talked about in the mainstream media, which is why we cover it so heavily
00:01:06.300 on this show.
00:01:08.220 Deportation raids are underway across all major blue cities and some red cities across America,
00:01:15.040 taking out the worst criminals in this country.
00:01:17.660 President Trump this week floating the idea and apparently moving forward with reopening Guantanamo
00:01:22.760 Bay.
00:01:23.220 We're also hearing from Don Trump Jr.
00:01:26.480 About maybe opening Alcatraz once again to home some of those illegals as we wait to deport 1.00
00:01:33.420 them.
00:01:34.260 Our guest today is Victor Avila.
00:01:36.280 He's a former supervisory special agent with ICE.
00:01:40.060 Victor, it's great to have you back with us here on The Great America Show.
00:01:42.520 I want to start today's show by offering condolences and prayers for the families of those three
00:01:48.560 helicopter pilots in D.C. last night and the 64 on that American Airlines flight.
00:01:54.520 We were talking before the show and you'd brought up a really good point.
00:01:57.820 The Trump administration and how they've reacted to this.
00:02:00.960 We got statements from Pete Buttigieg.
00:02:02.720 Pete Buttigieg.
00:02:03.900 God, he's gone.
00:02:05.100 Thank God.
00:02:05.520 From Pete Hagseth last night, from Sean Duffy, the transportation secretary, on the scene,
00:02:11.440 as you told me before the show.
00:02:13.420 Just a different administration.
00:02:15.340 But how do we move forward from this?
00:02:16.960 As I said, you and I were talking before the show.
00:02:19.120 How many near misses we needed to have over the last year for this tragedy to happen?
00:02:23.860 It's disgusting.
00:02:24.940 It should have never happened.
00:02:26.320 Totally preventable, in my opinion, as a pilot.
00:02:28.780 Your thoughts?
00:02:29.380 It really is 100% preventable.
00:02:32.280 And we know about the close calls that we've had throughout the last years because of the
00:02:35.580 prior administration and the people in these posts and these positions that didn't know
00:02:40.720 what they were doing.
00:02:41.360 And as a matter of fact, they knew what the problem was, but did nothing to solve it.
00:02:44.880 And now, here we go.
00:02:46.420 Leave it on the hands of Trump to fix it.
00:02:48.820 Something else that's broken.
00:02:50.560 And you know what?
00:02:51.480 It's kind of, it's like a sound like a broken record, but Trump is like, I'm fine with it.
00:02:56.340 Give it to me.
00:02:56.920 I'm going to fix it.
00:02:57.700 The tragedy here is the loss of life that it requires to get people's attention all
00:03:02.960 over the United States and the world, for that matter, because of world travel, that
00:03:06.880 this requires attention, the air traffic controllers, all these issues.
00:03:12.440 And you, with your expertise as a pilot, you understand this better than anybody, that
00:03:16.500 it needs to be looked at.
00:03:17.920 It needs to be possibly overhauled.
00:03:19.320 I don't know.
00:03:20.260 But I have a very good feeling that now it will be addressed, that now we will put the
00:03:25.800 right people in the right position.
00:03:27.380 Just right there with having the new Secretary of Transportation, Duffy, you know this is
00:03:32.700 going to be looked at.
00:03:33.460 You know this is going to be taken care of and fixed.
00:03:36.860 And that's the good thing.
00:03:38.480 Now, you have the left already blaming Trump for some reason.
00:03:42.060 I don't know how it's his fault.
00:03:43.080 But this is what we still have to deal with on the left.
00:03:46.980 But I think the American people are confident that the new administration, I mean, like
00:03:51.180 you said, they're on the scene.
00:03:53.440 They're talking to the American people.
00:03:55.820 When did you have the Secretary of Defense put out a video telling you what he's doing?
00:04:00.520 No, you never did.
00:04:01.900 They're telling you in real time, President Trump's going to have a press conference and
00:04:05.800 address the people immediately.
00:04:07.720 Not six, eight, ten days later after a tragedy.
00:04:10.380 Right now, he's on top of it.
00:04:12.540 And that's what we look forward to with this and many other issues happening at the same
00:04:17.480 time.
00:04:18.220 Yeah, you're right.
00:04:18.720 We got reaction right away.
00:04:20.140 Caroline Leavitt was on Fox News, said the president was reading.
00:04:22.660 And you know what?
00:04:22.980 President Trump, some say it's his own demise.
00:04:25.920 I disagree.
00:04:26.620 I think it's excellent.
00:04:27.360 He uses Twitter.
00:04:28.080 He knows how to use Twitter.
00:04:29.360 The guy's awake like 18, 19 hours a day.
00:04:32.460 The guy doesn't sleep, knows what's going on.
00:04:35.760 And you know what?
00:04:36.760 You don't get, Victor, you don't get some BS press statement written up.
00:04:40.380 By some 18-year-old kid working in the White House drafting press statements.
00:04:44.120 You get it right from President Trump himself.
00:04:46.080 And when you read his tweets, you know right away this man wrote this thing.
00:04:49.740 Sometimes there's grammatical errors, which tells you the guy's human like the rest of
00:04:53.160 us.
00:04:54.660 But you're getting it right from his mouth.
00:04:56.700 You get it from his standpoint on where it is.
00:04:59.220 You'd mentioned about a point that we need to fix.
00:05:01.980 And I was talking to you before the show about this.
00:05:04.720 When I was in college, I went to an aviation college, midway through college.
00:05:08.860 This started in the Obama administration.
00:05:10.860 They got rid of college requirements for people who wanted to be air traffic controllers.
00:05:16.240 Victor, I'd argue with you, an air traffic controller is just as important as a doctor.
00:05:20.160 Maybe, if not more important.
00:05:21.940 You know, you have flights with 64 people.
00:05:24.140 You have flights with 350 people.
00:05:26.220 You have Air Force One.
00:05:27.600 You have other dignitaries.
00:05:28.820 And go down the list of people who are in the air flying at any given point.
00:05:32.660 You even got Taylor Swift out there.
00:05:34.900 It's these people's responsibility, Victor, to keep separation.
00:05:39.200 Radio frequencies are different.
00:05:41.440 If you're in the military, if you're a civilian, you're not on the same radio frequencies most
00:05:45.200 times.
00:05:45.980 So it's up to them to keep separation from you.
00:05:48.580 You know, if you're in the clouds, it's up to them.
00:05:51.020 They have the world at their hands.
00:05:52.960 Their job is more important than a pilot. 0.69
00:05:54.380 Yet, under the Obama administration, we found it was necessary to take away the college
00:05:59.420 degree requirement and hire people off the streets, hoping to find some DEI hires. 0.69
00:06:04.600 Now, I'm not saying this incident or this air traffic controller, this lady who was on at
00:06:09.160 the time, is part of that problem.
00:06:11.220 But generally, Victor, this is where this country has went.
00:06:15.040 We've gotten rid of merit-based hiring.
00:06:18.280 And we've went to this, you're black, you're Asian, you're Hispanic.
00:06:22.360 We're going to hire you.
00:06:23.280 You're white, you're not getting hired. 1.00
00:06:24.920 You're a female, we won't hire you. 1.00
00:06:26.360 You're a male, we'll hire you. 0.99
00:06:28.340 How do we get away from that?
00:06:29.920 Because as we've said, Victor, how many near misses do we need to have?
00:06:34.400 And it's not just air travel, it's trains.
00:06:36.720 We saw what happened in East Palestine.
00:06:38.980 It's boats.
00:06:39.840 It's everything.
00:06:40.780 It's across the board, Victor.
00:06:42.440 These issues.
00:06:43.820 These are the identity crisis, right?
00:06:47.060 Let me tell you, I agree with you so much on this.
00:06:49.900 And I never use what people, when I ran for Congress, and I never mentioned ever my heritage
00:06:59.440 or anything, because I didn't want to be selected for that.
00:07:02.380 I wanted to be selected because of my merit, because of my experience, because of my ideology,
00:07:07.860 but all that.
00:07:08.560 And I think we have to go back to that.
00:07:11.120 This kind of goes back to the school systems and the school boards, the same thing.
00:07:15.540 You know, your teacher really needs to look like you, like my son.
00:07:19.280 You can't identify with his teacher because his teacher looks different.
00:07:22.420 I don't care.
00:07:23.200 My parents didn't care.
00:07:24.580 My parents didn't.
00:07:25.360 They cared that the teacher was the best teacher available to teach their children.
00:07:31.200 We want the best air traffic controller.
00:07:33.420 If they happen to be black, great. 1.00
00:07:35.700 If they're Asian, if they're white, great. 1.00
00:07:38.380 That's where I think we're going to go back.
00:07:40.440 And you already heard President Trump mention the word merit.
00:07:43.400 We're going to go back to that.
00:07:44.560 As a matter of fact, he's starting to do it.
00:07:46.940 What's the deadline?
00:07:47.920 February 6th, I think, for all these federal employees?
00:07:50.700 Get out.
00:07:51.740 Let's go.
00:07:52.940 Here's your payout.
00:07:54.380 Get out, because we're going to clean house.
00:07:56.860 Obviously, you have been taking advantage of the federal government and the fleecing of America,
00:08:02.180 taking a paycheck from your home because you're babysitting now your kids.
00:08:07.200 And guess what?
00:08:08.080 I'm surprised.
00:08:08.860 There's a lot of people that are actually going to take this.
00:08:11.620 They don't want to come back to the office and work Monday through Friday, 8 to 5.
00:08:16.640 What the?
00:08:17.300 You know, in my case, I didn't reply because I worked odd hours at law enforcement.
00:08:21.000 You work weekends and Thursdays and Tuesdays.
00:08:23.040 They're all the same to me.
00:08:24.600 And I knew that going into this profession.
00:08:27.940 My family knew that.
00:08:29.240 And so it was, first of all, it was a dedication aspect of it.
00:08:34.720 You understood what your job was going to be.
00:08:37.820 Imagine as a law enforcement agent, and believe me, we have a lot of them that, well, I got to go do this personal thing.
00:08:44.500 But you have this professional responsibility as a police officer or as an agent, and there's a lot of conflict.
00:08:51.120 Like, you forgot that you signed up.
00:08:53.160 As a matter of fact, we have a mobility agreement that we have to sign that at any moment, the government, based on their needs, could move you from one city to another.
00:09:01.280 And agents seem to forget about that.
00:09:03.480 Well, that's what you signed up for.
00:09:04.820 And I bring that experience to tell people that, listen, we've got to go back to merit.
00:09:11.420 We've got to go back to integrity.
00:09:13.720 We've got to go back to education.
00:09:15.160 We've got to put all that together and fill these positions that are going to make the hard right decisions instead of the easy wrong one.
00:09:24.020 So you're telling me it's not in the nation's best interest or the state's best interest for a Border Patrol agent to be working from home, Victor?
00:09:30.760 Right.
00:09:31.560 I'm not buying that.
00:09:32.980 Let me tell you, we had HSI, a special agent where I worked, working from home for a long time.
00:09:38.540 And I'm like, wait a minute.
00:09:39.640 I never solved the case from my house.
00:09:42.620 I worked from my house a lot when I came from the office because I had worked a 16-hour day.
00:09:48.880 And I'm still logging on to my laptop because I have a pole cam up looking at a stash house. 1.00
00:09:55.180 And I have the computer next to me as I'm taking a shower to see if I see any activity.
00:10:00.440 That's how I continued to work and technically still on the clock.
00:10:04.500 So it wasn't because of or an exception to.
00:10:10.060 No, I worked in both places.
00:10:12.280 Yeah.
00:10:12.840 Common sense, Victor.
00:10:14.140 It seems it's not so common anymore.
00:10:16.320 I had on the show yesterday a man by the name of John Lonsky.
00:10:20.300 He's a brilliant economist.
00:10:21.840 And I'm going to ask you the same question because he couldn't answer it.
00:10:24.140 I can't answer it.
00:10:25.060 And I want to know someone who can.
00:10:26.800 Why do we still have on job applications on, and I often say this on the show, I invite all of you listeners out here to go look at a job application for Netflix.
00:10:36.240 Go look at any position you want to get hired for there and look at the questions they ask you.
00:10:40.780 But among them is your race, your ethnicity.
00:10:44.020 Why are we still asking?
00:10:46.680 I mean, we've moved away from this, Victor, a very long time ago where we judge on gender and we judge on race.
00:10:55.780 And we're never going back to that.
00:10:57.820 Why are we still on job application and college applications asking what color your skin is?
00:11:04.040 I think it comes to a couple of things.
00:11:07.340 One, I think it's money.
00:11:08.740 And the way I think it's money, it's because of certain funding that they might get because they'll get a certain person that they need there.
00:11:16.760 Whether it's an Asian, Indian, African-American, Hispanic, white, whatever, thin, fat, short, tall, that has nothing to do with the position.
00:11:29.220 I'm not talking about an actor here.
00:11:30.380 I'm talking about an office position within Netflix or these positions.
00:11:34.440 And, yeah, I've seen those.
00:11:36.720 I tell you, I have my daughter applying for jobs right now as she's about to get her MBA. 1.00
00:11:40.720 I know exactly what you're talking about.
00:11:43.400 None of this matters.
00:11:44.820 What they should be mattering is what kind of grades are you getting?
00:11:47.240 What kind of internships did you do?
00:11:49.040 What kind of, you know, all this other stuff that matters to what you're going to be applying for in that position?
00:11:54.780 I think money is one.
00:11:56.140 And obviously, the bigger picture is ideology, right?
00:11:59.920 We have been brainwashed for a long time, especially from the left.
00:12:04.560 I'm not excusing the conservatives either, but we have been acceptance on the right of this change because it didn't matter before.
00:12:13.600 My third grade teacher was a black lady, Mrs. Phillips, that I love her because the reason I wrote a book and can write and I'm a good speller is because of her.
00:12:23.380 And you know what?
00:12:24.000 My parents didn't care that she was black. 1.00
00:12:26.660 And so it didn't matter back then.
00:12:29.360 And El Paso, Texas, is 84% Hispanic.
00:12:32.480 So we shifted away from that because somehow we started getting offended because we didn't look like each other.
00:12:40.740 Believe me, I went through this identity crisis growing up in El Paso as a Hispanic.
00:12:45.160 I grew up in Texas.
00:12:46.700 I never lived in Mexico.
00:12:48.480 Yes, my parents came from Mexico legally.
00:12:51.060 But then I had to kind of prove to the Mexicans that I was Mexican and the Americans that I was American, even to my own family that lived in Mexico.
00:12:59.460 I was looked at differently.
00:13:01.660 And so that was also something that I saw that growing up, that shift of why does it matter instead of the people that I applied for jobs are looking at the merit of the person.
00:13:16.780 Yeah, you know, I pray you said earlier that President Trump is constantly brought in to fix things.
00:13:24.160 He's the man to save the day.
00:13:25.820 I just hope this is one of the things because it's really it's just been bugging me, the fact that we've got so far towards this.
00:13:33.860 Now, if you look at it, you know, statistically, obviously, because of the way that society is, the white male is going to be in the majority because that's, you know, that's just the way the numbers fall.
00:13:48.600 You know, it's not by any creation of its own.
00:13:50.140 It's just the creation of society.
00:13:51.780 But that should someone shouldn't be penalized based on the fact that you're a white male.
00:13:56.540 We don't choose what we're born into, Victor.
00:13:58.400 We don't choose if we're born poor.
00:14:00.520 We don't choose if we're born rich.
00:14:01.980 We don't choose if we're born Hispanic or Asian or, you know, African-American.
00:14:07.560 It doesn't matter.
00:14:08.700 You know, you're born, you're dealt the hand and it's your hand to play.
00:14:12.020 We shouldn't exploit that.
00:14:13.440 You know, I have an idea for anyone who's applying for a job or a college application.
00:14:17.020 Why don't we take the names off the application?
00:14:18.780 The name applies to a number.
00:14:20.440 When you apply, your number is your number.
00:14:23.100 I'm going to hire number 52.
00:14:24.700 After he's hired, we find out his name is John Smith.
00:14:27.540 We hire number two.
00:14:29.760 Her name is Shannon O'Connor.
00:14:31.200 You know, why don't we do that?
00:14:33.320 It seems like it's just we've gone so far down this rabbit hole that there's no coming back.
00:14:38.600 And I think the people who are Hispanic, the people who are African-American, the people who are Asian, they probably find this more offensive than anybody because now they're always going to think in the back of their head. 0.96
00:14:47.520 I was hired because I'm not white.
00:14:49.660 Do you agree?
00:14:50.900 I think as a matter of fact, and even more so now, they're like, oh, so you even if I was qualified, then you feel inferior because, well, did you hire me because of the color of my skin or did you hire me because I'm a good, the best candidate for this position?
00:15:07.020 And so that how are you going to perform then at that position?
00:15:10.800 If you're going in with that mentality, just hire me because I can do the job.
00:15:14.800 The same thing with teachers, the same thing with other professions.
00:15:18.680 I mean, the Japanese, Chinese, they've gone through this problem with the universities.
00:15:22.940 They've actually been discriminated against because they're too smart.
00:15:26.920 I never had anybody be discriminated because they were too smart and get the highest scores on the test.
00:15:32.860 And so there's a lot of issues there that I think, you know, affirmative action and other things that I think they tried to solve the problem of inequality in the sense of I remember the big case with FBI.
00:15:45.240 I mean, FBI was almost, you know, 100 percent white males.
00:15:50.820 And then one guy, one Hispanic guy that I had met one time applied to be a special agent with FBI and he was denied and there was a big case.
00:16:01.380 And that then the cause or the action that he took was to say, listen, I'm qualified.
00:16:08.760 You shouldn't be looking at me because of my color, my skin, what you and I are talking about.
00:16:12.520 But then it shifted to say, well, then we're going to hire a bunch of black and Hispanic just because, just because.
00:16:20.580 And because then all of a sudden it became a quota.
00:16:22.740 All of a sudden it became, well, we need our token Hispanic or we need our token to fill the void. 0.74
00:16:29.980 And that's not that's not what this was about.
00:16:32.040 This was about, hey, just give us the opportunity to show you that we're also qualified.
00:16:35.920 But by the way, Victor, I'm not for anyone listening.
00:16:37.800 I'm not advocating that these departments should be all white males.
00:16:40.800 I wouldn't care if they're all Hispanic, if they're all black. 1.00
00:16:43.300 As a matter of fact, you go look at these people who've come after President Trump.
00:16:46.780 They're all white males. 0.94
00:16:47.700 So, you know, out in the FBI and the DOJ, I'm not advocating for that.
00:16:53.140 I'm advocating for you hiring the best possible candidate, black, white, Hispanic, male, female.
00:16:58.300 I don't care what it is.
00:16:59.360 But don't look at the name.
00:17:00.520 Don't look at the race.
00:17:01.720 Look at who they are.
00:17:02.660 I want to take a quick break here.
00:17:03.760 We're talking with Victor Villa.
00:17:04.720 He's a retired supervisory special agent with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, also known as ICE.
00:17:11.860 We're going to take up Tom Holman and the job that he's doing when we return.
00:17:16.960 He's rounding them up, folks.
00:17:18.440 And I got to be honest, I'm more surprised than I thought I'd ever be.
00:17:22.320 We're coming right back with Victor.
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00:18:27.780 Folks, we're back with Victor Avila.
00:18:29.440 He's a retired supervisory special agent with ICE, U.S. Customs and Immigration Enforcement.
00:18:34.860 Victor, I want to turn to, before we get to Tom Holman and the job he's doing with rounding up the illegal criminals,
00:18:40.280 with a little scuffle President Trump had with the president of Colombia this week.
00:18:44.360 I told everyone yesterday, for everyone who doesn't know, this is the Colombian president.
00:18:48.380 He's a socialist.
00:18:49.280 He's a man who got caught with a transgender prostitute just a few years ago.
00:18:53.440 It wasn't so widely covered.
00:18:55.220 But yet, this is the big tough guy who sent our planes back with migrants that belong to him, 1.00
00:19:00.840 criminals that belong back to him that were sent here from him.
00:19:04.180 As I said, he's a socialist.
00:19:06.060 He's flooding Venezuela, Colombia, with Venezuelans, like Joe Biden has done to this country,
00:19:11.980 with every single race you can possibly find on the planet through our southern border.
00:19:15.800 Victor, I want to get your thoughts.
00:19:16.760 Is it President Trump's first test as commander-in-chief with the power of the tariff?
00:19:21.400 Well, the old saying, you mess with the bull, you get the horns, right?
00:19:25.680 Boy, do we see the horns.
00:19:27.140 And I'm going to tell you, I was watching it live as it was unfolding because, you know,
00:19:31.160 the message just came out right away.
00:19:32.820 And I was just, I was cheering and I was like, this is leadership.
00:19:37.160 This is what we have been lacking, strength, leadership, conviction,
00:19:42.380 all those good words that describe President Trump and the administration that
00:19:46.280 you're not going to bully us anymore.
00:19:48.240 We're not going to take this from anyone, especially Colombia. 0.53
00:19:51.100 And then, what, it took about an hour?
00:19:54.020 And then all of a sudden it all switched away.
00:19:55.940 But it wasn't so much that the terrorists, because a lot of people are saying,
00:19:59.360 you know, he threatened terrorists.
00:20:00.680 It's the other things that he threatened in that statement that he said,
00:20:04.920 one, was going to take and revoke all of the visas of the Colombians in the United States,
00:20:11.100 like in the U.S. Embassy and diplomats.
00:20:13.180 Yeah.
00:20:13.480 They're going to be gone.
00:20:14.800 And who has these visas?
00:20:16.420 Who comes to the United States from Colombia?
00:20:18.380 The oligarchs, the multimillionaires and billionaires.
00:20:21.100 That have their children here at Stanford and University of Miami and all that.
00:20:25.660 And they're like, well, wait a minute.
00:20:27.300 I think they're the ones that actually called their own president and said,
00:20:30.020 what are you doing, man?
00:20:30.700 We have our kids over here.
00:20:31.680 We're not going to be able to come visit them.
00:20:33.700 And I don't think they realized that.
00:20:35.960 I read somewhere that he might have been doing this, you know,
00:20:38.940 at three in the morning, possibly drunk.
00:20:40.880 And I don't know about himself.
00:20:42.820 He didn't know what he was getting himself into.
00:20:44.540 But I'm glad it happened because he kind of broke the ice.
00:20:48.240 So we knew it was going to happen.
00:20:49.420 We don't know if we were going to do it first.
00:20:50.600 I thought maybe Mexico, because Mexico was pushing back a little bit.
00:20:53.480 But they actually have been cooperating, believe it or not.
00:20:56.420 And then, so it's Colombia.
00:20:58.540 I'm telling you what's going to happen here.
00:21:00.240 This is going to happen, but it's going to happen with a local mayor or a governor in our own country.
00:21:06.200 You're going to see one of them is going to get very, very courageous and impede.
00:21:10.600 I'm not talking about ignoring and we're not going to help ICE.
00:21:14.620 And Tom Homan has said this.
00:21:15.740 We don't care if you don't help us.
00:21:16.800 We're going to go do it anyway.
00:21:18.060 But if you get in our way, then you're going to see consequences of finding yourself in handcuffs.
00:21:23.960 And so I think that someone in Chicago, Denver, I don't know where, maybe Portland is going to, California is going to say, no, we're going to stand in front of ICE agents and maybe a protest or something and people are going to get hooked up.
00:21:37.120 Yeah, I think you're absolutely right.
00:21:39.180 You mentioned the 3 a.m. thing.
00:21:40.920 I think we've all learned a lesson.
00:21:42.480 I haven't learned it.
00:21:43.340 I haven't been on the receiving end of it, but these people have.
00:21:46.200 Don't mess with Trump at 3 o'clock in the morning or 4 o'clock in the morning.
00:21:49.420 It's just primetime hours.
00:21:51.020 You stay away from that man.
00:21:52.740 You know, it was so funny to see, Vic, do you have idiots like AOC, some of these other liberals coming out here?
00:21:58.260 Oh, we get all of our coffee from Colombia.
00:22:00.960 First of all, that's not true, number one.
00:22:03.160 Go, I invite everyone to go look at where your coffee's made.
00:22:05.660 I can guarantee you, probably 8 out of 10 of you guys listening, it's not in Colombia.
00:22:10.080 You're going to be surprised to where it's from.
00:22:11.500 So I want you guys to tweet me on Twitter when you check where your coffee's made and let me know because it's probably not going to be Colombia.
00:22:17.800 So she comes out here about the Colombian coffee and then she comes out.
00:22:20.800 By the way, Colombian coffee is amazing.
00:22:22.480 But then the flowers, Victor, where are we going to get our flowers for our nurseries?
00:22:28.760 They come from Colombia.
00:22:29.680 They're going to put tarot.
00:22:30.760 Valentine's Day is around the corner.
00:22:32.780 All these women were so upset. 1.00
00:22:34.440 Their boyfriends weren't going to get the flowers up here in the northeast.
00:22:37.460 There's nothing growing because it's cold as heck.
00:22:40.020 But, you know, these people don't realize, Victor, you had mentioned Canada and Mexico.
00:22:45.760 The tariffs actually go into effect on Saturday for February 1st for Canada and Mexico.
00:22:51.620 Justin Trudeau is pooping his pants right now because he doesn't know how he's going to be able to stimulate his economy.
00:22:56.980 He had mentioned he's resigning.
00:22:58.220 Their whole parliamentary procedure, it sort of freezes him.
00:23:03.220 It doesn't allow them to do anything until the end of March.
00:23:05.360 So he wants to do some COVID-style bailouts.
00:23:07.480 They're in trouble.
00:23:08.420 You've got the president of Mexico, Scheinbaum, who's talking like this big tough woman.
00:23:12.900 She's owned by the cartels. 1.00
00:23:15.040 Trump's not playing the games anymore.
00:23:16.560 We heard about in the first administration from Mark Esper that Trump wanted to blow up the drug facilities.
00:23:22.980 I think that's on the table.
00:23:24.420 We see Guantanamo Bay, Victor, is opening back up.
00:23:28.960 Donald Trump Jr. is floating the idea of opening back up.
00:23:31.240 Alcatraz, what's easier than getting – L.A. has a massive, massive illegal migration problem.
00:23:39.880 San Francisco, another one.
00:23:41.100 What's easier than putting these guys in boats and shipping them out to Alcatraz?
00:23:44.720 You want to come to this country illegally, you're going to pay the price. 1.00
00:23:48.360 I've got to tell you a couple things.
00:23:49.560 One, the AOT thing.
00:23:52.040 The left didn't realize after the law so dramatically on November 5th is that we don't care.
00:23:59.980 We don't care about the coffee.
00:24:02.360 Let's say all the coffee did come from Colombia.
00:24:05.020 We still wouldn't care because we're putting America first.
00:24:08.680 They don't get it through their thick heads that that's why they lost the election, that the American people are like, just take care of us, defend us, protect us, and that's what we want.
00:24:21.120 And when they see President Trump stepping up and doing that for the American people, he does it for everybody, by the way.
00:24:27.360 They still don't get it.
00:24:28.840 We don't care.
00:24:29.680 So the same thing with Mexico.
00:24:32.220 The avocados, well, we don't care.
00:24:34.100 I mean, if it's going to come down to it, well, we are willing to sacrifice at this point whatever it takes to take our country back.
00:24:41.280 That's one thing.
00:24:42.280 Now, when it comes to the incarceration, when I saw that Guantanamo Bay thing, oh, my goodness, I was like, yes.
00:24:48.680 Listen, we have some bad people.
00:24:50.280 I was just being texted this morning about two potential illegal aliens in custody in Chicago on murder charges, murder charges.
00:25:01.300 And President Trump is right.
00:25:04.500 We're not sure we actually want to send them back to their country because their country is corrupt.
00:25:09.040 They're socialist, communist.
00:25:10.120 They're just going to release them.
00:25:11.620 And they're going to make their way right back into this country. 0.99
00:25:13.960 And now that they know that the border is going to be protected, it's all going to be smuggled.
00:25:18.800 By the way, you're going to see a huge spike in smuggling because here's another thing.
00:25:24.280 The cartel is not going to stop.
00:25:26.600 The cartel right now is, okay, there was a little bit of shocking on this last week.
00:25:31.020 And the cartel is like, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute.
00:25:32.900 What the hell is going on?
00:25:34.020 They've had a free-for-all for the last four years.
00:25:37.200 And they don't like it.
00:25:38.480 They don't like it.
00:25:39.100 The cartel has always incorporated their loads that they lose and the money all incorporated as part of their businesses.
00:25:47.300 But they've actually been ahead of it because they haven't been suffering that many seizures and stuff.
00:25:55.260 But you're going to see, especially at the ports of entry, a tremendous amount of spike in seizures.
00:26:01.500 And it's all going to be smuggling now because they're not going to be able to turn themselves in.
00:26:05.620 But it doesn't mean that they're going to stop.
00:26:07.440 They need to bring – the fentanyl is piling up, by the way, in Mexico.
00:26:10.660 It's piling up, and the bodies have to move, and the drugs have to move, and there's going to be a response.
00:26:17.300 I'm telling you, I don't like it, but the cartel is not going to go down and take it.
00:26:22.300 They will respond.
00:26:23.400 As a matter of fact, they shot at our border agents a couple of days ago down in South Texas.
00:26:27.780 So this is very concerning.
00:26:31.680 That's why I like the military on the border, the Marines, because I need, as an American, I need that backup from the military.
00:26:41.080 Obviously, our border agents are not that.
00:26:43.420 Our border agents are concerned with the process and deporting of illegal agents and illegal immigrants and interdicting these people, right? 1.00
00:26:52.640 We need the military because, yes, the cartels are heavily armed.
00:26:57.080 Yes, they do have military-grade weapons.
00:26:59.540 And, yes, they're very dangerous.
00:27:00.900 Yes, they can shoot down a helicopter from the air.
00:27:03.300 So we do have to give them the credit where it merits there for them.
00:27:07.700 They're dangerous.
00:27:08.720 But can our U.S. military take them on?
00:27:10.400 Not in a heartbeat, and we'll destroy them in an hour.
00:27:13.940 But they're forcing us to make that decision.
00:27:18.520 And I think we will start with possibly taking out these precision attacks on these so-called 100 super labs in Mexico.
00:27:26.400 Real quick before I react to that, some people aren't going to go look back at the coffee thing.
00:27:31.360 Just to give you guys the idea, 55% of our coffee in America comes from Brazil and Vietnam.
00:27:37.540 Just 8%, Victor, comes from Colombia.
00:27:39.480 So they can take their coffee, and you know what to do with it.
00:27:42.820 Because, like you said, people don't care.
00:27:45.100 They really just don't care anymore because the cost of the American lifestyle and the American freedoms is worth way more than a 50% attack on coffee from Colombia.
00:27:57.580 So take your coffee and keep it, Colombia. 1.00
00:27:59.640 We don't want it.
00:28:01.280 As to the cartels, the only thing these guys are going to respond to, Victor, is force.
00:28:05.240 You know, some countries, Trudeau and China Bomb and the president of Colombia, these guys, you can talk to them.
00:28:12.080 You can use force of words with them because they know that there's an action behind it.
00:28:16.360 These cartel guys, you're absolutely right.
00:28:18.680 They're going to start shooting.
00:28:19.540 They've already started shooting.
00:28:21.000 What's next?
00:28:21.640 Is it going to be missiles?
00:28:22.320 We've heard reports of missiles coming through our southern border.
00:28:25.940 Drone missiles is another one.
00:28:29.080 So what's next?
00:28:29.740 Are we supposed to wait and sit back and wait for these people to come and start using incredible force and taking out masses of Border Patrol agents?
00:28:38.660 I don't think so.
00:28:39.480 I think President Trump knows just exactly where those drug cartel centers are, where these people are harbored.
00:28:45.440 I think we've got to start using force on them.
00:28:47.340 I really just don't think there's another way.
00:28:49.180 As we spoke about in the first segment, Victor, we had to wait for a tragedy in the air to happen for us to open our eyes.
00:28:56.640 Are we going to sit here and wait for, God forbid, and I pray this doesn't happen, one or two or 10 or 15 or 20 Border Patrol agents to be killed before we say, okay, it's time to use force?
00:29:07.680 Because these guys, Victor, you know better than anybody, these drug cartel members, they do not give a damn if they go down swinging.
00:29:15.780 They'll take 10 of you.
00:29:17.180 They'll go down.
00:29:17.880 They don't care.
00:29:18.720 These are people that cut people's heads off.
00:29:20.780 Cold blood in the middle of a city.
00:29:22.180 They don't care.
00:29:22.840 They don't have a heart.
00:29:23.760 They don't have a conscience.
00:29:24.860 So what's your thinking?
00:29:26.040 Should we start using force before it's too late to send a message that we're not playing around?
00:29:31.300 So we've actually already started with a designation of foreign terrorist organizations.
00:29:35.660 And let me tell you, that is big because now it gives us the authority, the DOD resources.
00:29:41.040 And as a matter of fact, I think that's why the military is down there.
00:29:43.840 And I think the military that's staging down there, even though right now it might be in a supportive role, I think that role can be immediately switched into an offensive role and a full-blown military type of operation.
00:29:57.740 But also, I think right now it's in the back burner, right?
00:30:01.880 Right now I think we have it there at a moment's notice when we need it.
00:30:06.580 Not quite.
00:30:07.520 I don't want any tragedies to happen either.
00:30:10.320 But we're going to start picking up these people.
00:30:12.680 And I'm talking about gang members and illegals that are dealing with now terrorist organizations, the Sinaloa Cartel, Cartel Jalisco New Generation.
00:30:22.800 Well, you know what?
00:30:23.980 They're categorized just as ISIS.
00:30:25.820 And you can't be in Chicago talking to ISIS because you can't.
00:30:29.440 It's against the law.
00:30:30.540 So now that's where we're going to be putting these people in Guantanamo Bay.
00:30:34.980 And so you have the Latin kings.
00:30:37.000 You have all these other gangs that are dealing with the fentanyl and the meth and all that.
00:30:41.860 Well, they're going to realize you're financing a terrorist organization and you cannot do that.
00:30:46.080 We get to go pick you up.
00:30:47.740 And it's a very different due process because now you're a terrorist and you're financing a terrorist.
00:30:54.420 So we're not going to put you in Cook County jail.
00:30:57.380 We're sending you to Cuba.
00:30:58.900 Then we have plenty of space over there.
00:31:00.780 And so I think a lot of these gangs and a lot of these people that work throughout the United States, by the way, they work in over 40 countries abroad, that work with these cartels that are highly sophisticated are going to stop working with them.
00:31:13.720 They're going to say, hey, my cousin, so-and-so got picked up because he was selling drugs for the single-law cartel.
00:31:21.520 I'm not going to do it.
00:31:22.780 I'm not going to work with them.
00:31:23.800 I'm out.
00:31:24.920 And that's how you start breaking them up and dismantling them.
00:31:28.180 Now, I do agree with you that I think at one point we have to be on the offense and not wait to be reaction on the defense.
00:31:36.900 And I think doing some very surgical strikes in Mexico to take these labs, take out some of these tunnels and all these other things that facilitate the movement for the cartels, that's going to send a tremendous message to them, not just to the cartels, but to the Mexican government, really, to say, are you in or are you out?
00:31:58.960 Now, so publicly, Mexico is saying, oh, we're not going to allow the United States to, you know, violate our sovereignty, blah, blah, blah.
00:32:06.560 But in the background, what I'm getting from my sources is they actually do want to help and they actually do want to work, but they don't want to say it publicly because they're very proud people.
00:32:14.820 You know, whatever.
00:32:15.740 I really don't care at this point.
00:32:17.820 Right.
00:32:18.000 Let us do it.
00:32:19.200 Kind of Colombia.
00:32:20.040 Speaking of Colombia, kind of Colombia in the late 80s, early 90s, the same kind of thing happened.
00:32:24.380 Now, it's very, it's very wrong to compare Colombia in the 80s to Mexico today.
00:32:29.940 It's not the same operation.
00:32:31.800 If you want to treat it the same, you would be gravely mistaken on how to approach this because it's not the same.
00:32:38.680 However, the military thing, Colombia did that and then eventually said, OK, let them in.
00:32:45.020 I think they'll let us in.
00:32:46.080 I think we'll do some strikes.
00:32:47.180 And then we get that reaction to go after actual cartel members.
00:32:53.620 Yeah, there's no similarity to that.
00:32:56.060 Pablo Escobar was like a drug dealing businessman.
00:32:59.020 I think at one point he tried to pay off the government's debt at Colombia.
00:33:02.820 Yes, he did.
00:33:03.720 You guys were president.
00:33:04.620 Remember that?
00:33:05.280 Right.
00:33:05.680 So, you know, I think you compare that to not justifying what Pablo Escobar did, but obviously a very bad man.
00:33:12.520 But he was a businessman.
00:33:13.820 He cared about selling drugs and doing business.
00:33:15.780 And he was sort of like a vigilante.
00:33:17.340 It was like the mafia in New York in the early 90s, in the late 90s.
00:33:23.180 You know, they wanted to do their business, but they kept the streets safe.
00:33:26.680 There was really no crime on the streets when the mafia was around.
00:33:29.860 I'm not parading these people by any means, but it's just the way that it worked.
00:33:33.780 They patrolled the streets and they kept the streets safe because they were running their own businesses.
00:33:37.580 The same thing Pablo Escobar was doing in Colombia.
00:33:40.440 He kept the place safe because he was running his drug business.
00:33:42.660 He wanted no problems.
00:33:43.940 He want everything to be OK and everything was OK.
00:33:45.940 Mexico right now is just complete and total chaos with the corruption.
00:33:51.040 Scheinbaum is just as corrupt as Lopez Obrador, who's corrupt.
00:33:54.620 He's worse.
00:33:55.060 By the way, she just blamed yesterday or the day before yesterday, blamed the United States government.
00:34:00.580 It's our fault that they have a war in Mexico and Sonora between the Sinaloa cartel because we arrested Miles Zambada, the main guy from the Sinaloa cartel.
00:34:11.640 So because we arrested him, which is a good thing, it caused this reaction in Mexico for them to go into war.
00:34:19.440 What?
00:34:19.980 What kind of a justification is that?
00:34:22.240 But that's the way they're thinking of these things.
00:34:24.860 And somehow it's always all the United States fault.
00:34:28.200 Yeah, it's unbelievable.
00:34:29.160 Nobody takes accountability, Victor.
00:34:30.780 Everyone points the finger at the next guy, the next guy.
00:34:33.420 Own it.
00:34:34.280 Own it and fix it.
00:34:35.260 It's so simple.
00:34:35.940 That's what we do as adults, Victor.
00:34:37.240 At a certain age, I was taught that I have to start taking accountabilities for my action and I can't blame my buddy or I can't blame the teacher.
00:34:44.580 I can't blame my dog for eating my homework.
00:34:46.360 That's something I learned, Victor, at a very young age that some of these people who are 40, 50, 60 years old still haven't learned.
00:34:52.380 It's pathetic and it's sad.
00:34:53.860 We're coming right back.
00:34:54.700 I want to take one more quick break.
00:34:56.000 We're talking with Victor Avila.
00:34:57.100 He's a former, he's retired supervisory special agent with ICE.
00:35:01.560 Victor, when we return, I have an idea.
00:35:03.160 I want to bounce off you and see what you think of it.
00:35:05.320 I also want to go a little bit further into, you had mentioned, these sanctuary cities and these mayors protecting these illegals, helping them to evade ICE.
00:35:15.200 Tom Holman's having no part of it.
00:35:16.840 We've also got some celebrity influencers who have had enough and they want to see these deportation raids stop.
00:35:22.640 Coming right back with Victor, folks.
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00:36:30.120 He's a retired supervisory special agent with ICE.
00:36:33.000 Victor, I got an idea.
00:36:34.740 Why don't we go into these cities, and this may be an idea for Tom Holman,
00:36:38.020 and find some of these guys who are gangbangers who haven't yet killed anybody,
00:36:42.640 who are on the brink, who can maybe be swayed into becoming a decent person
00:36:47.520 and not a gangbanger anymore, and turn them into informants.
00:36:50.760 We've done it overseas.
00:36:53.060 We've used the CIA as informants right here in America.
00:36:56.820 This FBI right now knows all too well about planting informants into places,
00:37:01.200 as they do with the Trump campaign everywhere.
00:37:03.460 Is that a possibility?
00:37:04.540 Absolutely, and I think what you're describing here is on the Homeland Security investigation side,
00:37:10.160 the special agents where I work, that they have the ability when they start with these investigations.
00:37:15.620 So there's two things going on at the same time.
00:37:18.940 You have ICE, ERO, Enforcement Removal Operations, and a bunch of other people right now,
00:37:23.440 even DEA, FBI, ATF, U.S. Marshals, HSI.
00:37:27.220 Everybody's in there because President Trump requested this now.
00:37:31.320 Let's start getting bodies out. 1.00
00:37:32.860 But in between all that, and once this thing becomes mainstream, because it'll be mainstream,
00:37:37.560 this is not going to stop.
00:37:38.640 This is not going to end in two, three months.
00:37:40.400 This will be four years every single day.
00:37:44.200 Mark my words.
00:37:45.060 This is not going to stop for four years.
00:37:47.380 Every day that President Trump is in custody, is in custody, is in office, is going to continue.
00:37:52.600 So that being said, the investigators, it's a great point.
00:37:57.700 Well, we do a lot of investigations.
00:37:59.080 I had a lot of sources when I was an agent, and you tell me where these guys at, especially the bad ones,
00:38:04.580 because the Fender Aragua from Venezuela and many other gangs, as a matter of fact,
00:38:09.180 cartel members that are illegally present in the country, I'm a Sinaloa cartel member.
00:38:13.620 I need to know, because some of these individuals might not actually have a criminal history.
00:38:19.600 They might have come in, they put down their fingerprints, we got their picture,
00:38:24.340 and they came back negative, and we let them in, just like the one that killed Lakin Riley.
00:38:29.260 We let him in.
00:38:30.820 He didn't even release them a couple of times, even after he was arrested.
00:38:33.520 By the way, a lot of those that have been in, committed, and you saw the Lakin Riley Act
00:38:41.480 signed by President Trump yesterday, which actually now allows us to go to those with misdemeanors
00:38:48.400 that wasn't available before.
00:38:53.180 So now you have a DUI, you have a fifth of a chocolate, and the left is going crazy.
00:38:59.160 Well, oh, they only stole a piece of gum.
00:39:01.120 I don't care.
00:39:01.720 It's illegal to steal, whether you're a U.S. citizen or illegal, but for some reason,
00:39:06.920 John, I don't know what it is, that when we start, when we bring up immigration, it's a pass.
00:39:14.260 Theft is a pass if it has to do with immigration, but if you're a U.S. citizen, theft's not a pass. 0.59
00:39:19.340 You're going to get arrested.
00:39:20.840 So I don't know why the protection of these individuals, so going back to the point,
00:39:27.500 we might not know who these guys are because they're technically clean.
00:39:31.400 They haven't been in a county jail.
00:39:33.480 They haven't been incorporated or identified by a criminal justice system somewhere.
00:39:38.360 So we do need those sources to tell us, hey, that guy right there is a leader of a clique down in,
00:39:44.480 you know, Denver, in Tennessee, wherever, and build a case against these guys and then go grab them.
00:39:52.620 You know, you brought up a really good point about the Democrats looking at these crimes as a past.
00:40:00.240 And it just made me think back of something.
00:40:02.360 President Trump pardoned the January Sixers 10 days ago today, today, right?
00:40:06.960 He pardoned all the January Sixers. 0.94
00:40:08.500 And what we heard from the left was, Victor, what if they come out, because they're such criminals, right?
00:40:13.200 What if these guys come out and they commit crimes again?
00:40:16.520 Like the man who killed Lake and Riley, huh?
00:40:20.480 Or the constant repeat offenders out in L.A. or out in New York when these guys get picked up and bagged.
00:40:26.120 And they're out the next day.
00:40:27.400 They're out the next hour.
00:40:28.900 Repeat offenders.
00:40:29.700 Illegal.
00:40:30.340 You saw the guys, Victor, who, what'd they do?
00:40:33.160 They beat the piss out of the cop in New York.
00:40:34.560 They walked out and they flipped the bird to the camera because they knew they were getting out.
00:40:37.800 They knew there was no price to pay.
00:40:39.140 They knew they could come back and be repeat offenders, and it's fine.
00:40:42.060 But the Democrats were worried about these insurrectionists, Victor, these guys who were waving American flags at the Capitol.
00:40:49.380 Some people that never even went in or were even present.
00:40:52.380 Right.
00:40:52.800 Victor, these are the same criminals who recorded a soundtrack at a prison of God Bless America.
00:40:58.780 I mean, these are the criminals that the Democrats were so worried about pardoning.
00:41:03.460 It's not even funny.
00:41:04.480 I shouldn't be laughing on it.
00:41:05.600 But we watched what happened to Lake and Riley.
00:41:07.420 What was the track record that guy had that we let out again and again and again?
00:41:11.580 You look at the migrant who lit the woman on fire in New York City. 1.00
00:41:14.840 The guy didn't give a damn.
00:41:16.040 I don't know if he was on drugs or not.
00:41:17.680 Lit the woman on fire in a subway, and he thought it was funny.
00:41:20.520 He watched her.
00:41:21.360 He watched her.
00:41:22.220 People sat there and watched her.
00:41:24.140 You know, I ride the subway from time to time in New York City when I'm going to the Knicks games because it's just easier to go.
00:41:31.060 And I think to myself time and time again, like, what would I do if I witnessed this happen?
00:41:35.300 We saw what happened to Daniel Penny, a man who was a great American, a man who probably saved lives that day, and they put him through the ringer.
00:41:43.180 And I think to myself, Victor, as I sit on that subway, what would I do if I watched someone committing a crime?
00:41:49.040 Am I supposed to do something about it?
00:41:51.280 I mean, my conscience would tell me I have to, and I probably would, Victor, at all costs.
00:41:56.100 But what are you supposed to do?
00:41:58.620 I was going to say, I was brought up to be a good Samaritan.
00:42:02.520 That's how my parents raised me, that if you saw somebody with a flat tire on the side of the road, you pull over.
00:42:08.620 Somebody's car stalls in the middle of the intersection.
00:42:11.480 You jump out of the car.
00:42:12.400 You push.
00:42:13.320 Believe me, I did that.
00:42:15.280 Why?
00:42:16.040 Because my parents taught me that way, that being a good Samaritan is a good thing to help someone else in need.
00:42:21.400 It might be for five minutes, it might be something else, but the left vilifies that, vilifies that, but they reward the criminal.
00:42:32.080 And there's another, I talked to the mother of Lizbeth Medina, the cheerleader in South Central Texas a little over a year ago, that was killed by an illegal alien that also, get this, was on probation.
00:42:44.820 How can you be on probation if you're illegal?
00:42:46.800 You mean you're reporting to a probation officer and nobody said anything, nobody came and picked you up?
00:42:51.720 Listen, this is the overhaul that is happening as we speak here under the Trump administration.
00:42:58.840 First of all, personnel are moving.
00:43:01.080 New people are coming in.
00:43:02.880 People that are talking like you and I.
00:43:05.340 By the way, the way you and I are talking, it's not crazy right wing nut.
00:43:09.320 This is public safety we're talking about.
00:43:11.480 We want everybody to be safe in their neighborhoods, on the subway, in the grocery store, at the gas station.
00:43:17.540 We don't want our daughters raped and beaten and carjacked.
00:43:20.860 We want us to be safe.
00:43:23.220 Everyone, everyone benefits from this, not just the conservatives.
00:43:28.420 No, everyone's a victim of a crime.
00:43:31.240 This is one thing I, it pisses me off that being victims of a crime are, they don't realize that the bad guy doesn't care what your ideology is when you become a victim of the crime.
00:43:46.100 They don't ask you who you voted for.
00:43:48.300 And so when the liberal gets, becomes, unfortunately becomes a victim of a crime, all of a sudden they're like, you know what, we do need the police.
00:43:57.100 You know what, we better not defund the police.
00:43:59.180 Well, my goodness, we've been saying that for all these years, and the change is finally going to come, and they are going to see the difference.
00:44:06.720 You will see the difference in your neighborhood slowly, because this is a lot of people, and this is a lot.
00:44:11.880 By the way, we have a lot of U.S. citizen crime.
00:44:14.020 I don't want to put that.
00:44:14.760 Oh, absolutely.
00:44:15.660 It would allow us, and what, you start getting rid of the illegals, now the police can actually focus on their communities and get the police down at the community level. 1.00
00:44:25.160 Remember the police officer, community policing and walking?
00:44:31.040 Hey, we want presidents of the police.
00:44:33.280 And all of a sudden, you're going to say yes to your kid riding the bike down the street.
00:44:38.180 Go ahead, because you're going to feel good about it.
00:44:40.360 You're going to feel safe.
00:44:41.340 You can't do that now.
00:44:42.280 Yeah, I think this week, for the first time in, like, 40 years, New York, they went, like, five days or something without any violent crime.
00:44:52.260 This is just – I don't know if it's the Trump effect, but it's an awfully good coincidence, Victor.
00:44:57.280 Also happening in the last week is border apprehensions and border crossings are at, like, record lows over the last four years.
00:45:05.700 So, I don't – like I said, I don't know if that's a coincidence or that's the Trump effect.
00:45:10.500 Excuse me.
00:45:11.700 But across the board, it seems things are starting to shift.
00:45:14.660 We had mentioned last segment about some of these mayors and city councils and low-level politicians helping these illegal migrants with the ICE raids.
00:45:25.360 Tom Holman getting a little bit upset about it, that, you know, they're educating them about their rights and their roundup.
00:45:31.980 So, first of all, Victor, how do you even have – I'm all for rights, okay?
00:45:36.600 How do you have rights if you're here illegally?
00:45:39.060 What are your rights under the Constitution, Victor?
00:45:43.080 Yeah.
00:45:43.980 Yeah, they do.
00:45:46.040 They do.
00:45:46.580 And they have this due process, right?
00:45:49.000 And this is where I've been talking about the last few days because not every – you can't be blanketed across when it comes to immigration.
00:45:59.200 Every legal might have its own unique case.
00:46:03.040 So, in my career, people ask me, hey, so-and-so got arrested, got picked up.
00:46:06.900 Well, that's so-and-so, and that's not you.
00:46:09.480 Every case is different.
00:46:10.920 First of all, how did they come into the country?
00:46:13.720 How were they processed in?
00:46:15.260 And did they avoid detection altogether?
00:46:19.080 Were they – do they have some kind of permit?
00:46:21.060 All of these things matter as to how you actually remove them.
00:46:24.880 Right.
00:46:25.120 It cannot.
00:46:26.260 Some can.
00:46:27.120 Like, I'll give you an example.
00:46:28.080 If you came from a visa waiver country like Spain, you don't require a visa, you fill out a form, you get on an airplane, and you get to the United States, and then they stay here, right? 0.64
00:46:37.900 They're illegal.
00:46:38.480 So, we could actually pick them up and put them on a plane and send them back immediately, and that actual air carrier will have to pay for it.
00:46:46.920 That's the easy one.
00:46:48.660 That's a non-visa – it's a visa waiver country.
00:46:52.300 Right.
00:46:52.420 Everybody else has to go through a process.
00:46:55.480 You have to go through an extraordinary removal, a voluntary return, or a notice to appear in front of an immigration judge.
00:47:04.320 So, what happens is that's why you need detention beds to hold the people because you're not going to be able – from the moment you get them in New York or Chicago or wherever, we are going to start busing them, by the way.
00:47:15.760 You're going to see buses, and you're going to see airplanes down to the facilities along the border in El Paso.
00:47:21.280 And, by the way, I've been a big advocate to use the facilities that the Biden administration built.
00:47:26.980 They saw the facilities, and I've been inside of them.
00:47:29.880 Well, now, instead of processing centers, they're detention facilities, and there's thousands of beds there.
00:47:35.660 We have 30,000 more coming up in Cuba.
00:47:38.260 We have – and there's a bunch of – believe me, I've been getting the calls.
00:47:41.780 There's contractors.
00:47:42.700 They're ready.
00:47:43.500 We're going to have beds, and we're going to start filling them up pretty quickly, and then your process starts.
00:47:49.440 Most, in my experience, most illegals are going to choose to leave right then and there, fill out the paperwork, and get a different removal.
00:47:58.840 Not everyone is deported.
00:48:00.480 I know we use that word a lot, but they're removed under very different circumstances.
00:48:05.100 Some are going to say, no, I'm going to stay in custody for six weeks, eight weeks until I see a year or whenever because it's so backlogged until I see an immigration judge.
00:48:14.660 Okay.
00:48:15.220 So, they decide that, and then they'll go.
00:48:17.480 So, that's kind of the process in a nutshell, and so that's why we need beds to hold people.
00:48:23.860 But there's a big difference between Trenda Aragua, a gang member, right, and the poor migrant that came here to work. 0.88
00:48:33.220 You can't put them in the same cell.
00:48:35.140 You can't put a – because the Biden administration did that.
00:48:38.460 They put a 17-year-old male with an 11-year-old little girl in the same tank.
00:48:43.000 What the heck do you think was going to happen?
00:48:44.480 The 11-year-old girl was raped in the facility.
00:48:48.620 So, the Trump administration with the people like Tom Holman and others that they're going to put in these positions know better.
00:48:54.440 Know about putting people in different and designating them.
00:48:59.380 As soon as you go into any jail, any facility, the first thing they're going to do is they're going to be designated.
00:49:03.860 Are you going to general population?
00:49:05.420 Are you a crip?
00:49:06.180 Are you a blood?
00:49:06.980 What are you?
00:49:07.700 And then they separate you.
00:49:08.960 That's what we need to do.
00:49:10.160 And so, that gets a little bit more complicated to start the removal process.
00:49:13.940 But you're going to see these numbers that you've already seen this week, they're going to only go up higher on a daily basis.
00:49:20.640 Yeah, Tom Holman's not happy with those numbers, by the way.
00:49:23.160 He says he wants – we're not doing a good job with these deportations.
00:49:26.140 But I take your point, but I don't think we're going to experience that right now because from what I understand, and you correct me if I'm wrong, the people we're deporting right now, we're getting the hell out of here, are the worst of the worst, the real criminals.
00:49:36.720 You're not going to get the guy who overstayed a visa right now.
00:49:40.500 You're not going to get the guy.
00:49:41.380 Not yet.
00:49:42.380 Right.
00:49:42.940 Yeah, right.
00:49:43.900 You've had several hundred because the illegal is hanging out with the target that we're after.
00:49:49.460 So, don't hang out with the target that has – he's a prior deport or has a criminal conviction, right?
00:49:56.540 If he's your cousin, I'm sorry, stay away from your cousin because – now, you've got a great point.
00:50:02.360 That right there is the biggest change.
00:50:06.200 Mallorca said that being in the country illegally is not enough to pick you up.
00:50:11.360 Let me tell you right now, that does no longer exist.
00:50:14.740 That no longer is the truth.
00:50:16.220 That's why they call them collaterals.
00:50:18.660 They call them collaterals.
00:50:19.960 Well, if I'm – oh, and by the way, questioning U.S. citizens, and I think in New Jersey, there was an issue with a veteran that – listen, I want people to understand, as a police, as a federal agent, when I go look for Joe Blow, and Joe Blow is amongst 10 people, I need to interview everybody.
00:50:38.620 I don't care if you're a U.S. citizen or not. 0.65
00:50:40.180 I have the right to talk to whoever I want.
00:50:42.160 And so who cares?
00:50:43.500 Now the left says, oh, we don't need – we can't have an ICE officer or an ICE agent question a U.S. citizen.
00:50:49.660 Yes, we can.
00:50:50.260 We can question whoever we want because I'm determining alienage of each person so I could get to the target.
00:50:56.560 But then if I found – I found my target, and what about you?
00:50:59.740 Well, you're also illegal.
00:51:01.140 Now we're going to hook you up, too, and you're going to go into custody.
00:51:05.160 That's the biggest difference that – under this administration is that they kind of took that part of the discretion from the officer.
00:51:12.000 You got to go, man.
00:51:13.280 You're right here.
00:51:14.200 You're illegal.
00:51:15.140 Yeah.
00:51:15.300 You're going to go.
00:51:15.960 Even though you might not be the target, you're going to go.
00:51:19.380 Real two quick things I want to – before we wrap up here and get with you.
00:51:23.220 We're not getting word that U.S. consulate has sent out a travel warning over cartel explosives in Mexico.
00:51:28.580 I mean, this is what we had just spoken about, that it's going to start happening in Reynosa, which is up on the border of – what would that be like?
00:51:35.540 South Padre –
00:51:36.220 South Padre –
00:51:36.920 Brownsville area.
00:51:38.760 Brownsville area.
00:51:39.440 I mean, this is – these guys are next level, Victor.
00:51:43.060 These aren't your guys selling dime bags of cocaine and weed on the street corner.
00:51:47.460 These are real –
00:51:49.220 It's exactly what they are.
00:51:51.320 We need to start treating them like them, and I think President Trump is going to.
00:51:55.000 Before we wrap up, Selena Gomez, prominent – what did you call her? 0.81
00:51:59.840 An actress.
00:52:00.460 I think she starred as an actress.
00:52:01.380 She's a singer now. 0.66
00:52:03.180 Crying about these deportation raids.
00:52:05.640 Was she crying when Lakin Riley was brutally murdered?
00:52:09.920 Was she crying when constantly across this country people were murdered by gang members?
00:52:15.580 Was she crying when that lady was set on fire on the train? 0.99
00:52:18.800 Was she crying when someone's daughter overdosed on fentanyl?
00:52:23.280 Was she crying when someone's son overdosed on fentanyl, Victor?
00:52:26.240 These people are so out of touch with reality.
00:52:29.500 It angers me, and it's very hard to anger me, Victor, but it angers me.
00:52:34.060 That angered me, and the way she was crying, my goodness.
00:52:38.520 She thought it was her family member that died, and it angers me because I'm a big advocate for the victims.
00:52:46.000 Why didn't she go and visit Lizbeth Medina that I just mentioned, which is very close to where she lives? 1.00
00:52:50.840 She's from Texas. 1.00
00:52:52.000 By the way, she's an American.
00:52:53.520 I think one of her parents is American.
00:52:54.860 One of them is that wasn't the abandoned them.
00:52:58.680 This lady has absolutely nothing, nothing in common with what's happening here in reality.
00:53:04.520 She said, my people?
00:53:06.160 Who the heck do you think your people are?
00:53:08.480 Your people are United States citizens that are here in this country legally.
00:53:12.380 We're not talking about them.
00:53:14.560 We're talking about the people that came into this country without any permission, and then on top of that, committed a crime? 0.99
00:53:22.200 By the way, one of the biggest ones for me is DUIs, man.
00:53:25.540 You know how many across the country, you know how many cases I've worked or known about that the illegal alien killed, a drunk illegal alien killed, a 16-year-old boy learning how to drive, and case after case after case.
00:53:38.860 In Denver, it was a guy that was arrested 15 times, illegal alien, 15 times for DUI.
00:53:47.960 Eventually, Colorado changed the law to mimic someone out of Texas that, at least in Texas, after the third one, it's a felony.
00:53:55.380 I think in Colorado, it's after the fifth one.
00:53:57.480 But my goodness.
00:53:58.520 New York, it's a second one.
00:53:59.340 Where is Selena Gomez when it comes to them and to represent her people? 1.00
00:54:05.420 Those are her people, that she should be, and because they do have a platform and because they do have a large following and a voice,
00:54:14.640 I wish they would actually come back and defend the United States of America because that's where they live.
00:54:21.320 If they hate it so much, why are you here?
00:54:24.820 Go live in Mexico. 1.00
00:54:26.080 Go live in Central America. 1.00
00:54:27.420 Go live in another country and see what they did, but they won't do it.
00:54:31.000 They want their cake, and they want to eat it too, and I think people are – that's why she dropped hat immediately from the social media of that video 0.99
00:54:39.380 because eventually they told her, what are you doing?
00:54:41.940 I think their own people said, listen, you can't do that, man.
00:54:44.500 You're not identifying with the majority of the people.
00:54:47.060 I don't know.
00:54:47.280 So we do have people that are praising her because those are the ones that are in Texas just this past week waving the Mexican flag
00:54:55.700 and protesting that they're going to possibly get deported.
00:55:00.120 This is the insanity that we're in.
00:55:02.080 And I'm like – I did an interview yesterday.
00:55:04.260 I said, well, maybe ICE is going to have to get together and visit one of these protests.
00:55:08.840 Right.
00:55:09.420 Yeah.
00:55:10.200 People they find.
00:55:11.420 You're absolutely right.
00:55:12.480 You know, it's – you would have thought these people would have learned, Victor.
00:55:16.460 Taylor Swift endorsed to Kamala Harris.
00:55:19.040 They did a poll after it that Donald Trump was more popular than Taylor Swift.
00:55:22.560 Didn't sway the vote.
00:55:23.640 Kamala Harris got her butt beat by Donald Trump. 0.99
00:55:26.660 The people don't resonate, like you said so eloquently, with these Hollywood actresses and these Hollywood elites.
00:55:34.360 They don't resonate with anyone, Victor.
00:55:35.820 They live in their compounds.
00:55:37.420 They drive million-dollar cars.
00:55:39.320 They fly a million-dollar private jets.
00:55:41.120 They don't assimilate with the general population like you and I.
00:55:45.020 When they go to a restaurant, you're not allowed to look at them.
00:55:47.060 Not that I want to see them.
00:55:48.700 But they're not the normal people.
00:55:50.420 Now, there are some actors and Hollywood elites who do.
00:55:54.980 Mel Gibson, I saw a picture of him putting air in his car tire.
00:55:58.040 You've got to find this video of people watching.
00:56:01.200 A Hispanic fellow comes up to him, and he's filming him, and he's going, oh, my God, it's Mel Gibson.
00:56:05.800 He goes, why are you alone, Mel Gibson?
00:56:08.080 And Mel goes, because I like being alone.
00:56:09.500 And the guy goes, well, what if I rob you?
00:56:11.580 And Mel Gibson looks at him and goes, well, what if I rob you?
00:56:14.540 There are some Hollywood elites who are normal people.
00:56:18.380 But the vast majority of them, Victor, don't resonate with the American people.
00:56:22.460 I want to give you the last word here.
00:56:24.960 The floor is yours.
00:56:25.940 Anything you want to talk about?
00:56:27.100 Well, first of all, thank you for having me on.
00:56:30.660 And I always feel very comfortable speaking with you because this is what the American people need to hear.
00:56:35.700 It's the truth.
00:56:36.540 Especially right now, there's a lot of information that is social media and confusing people about the immigration process and all this.
00:56:44.420 And I want to clear that up.
00:56:45.660 I want to be able to be a voice to clear that up.
00:56:47.700 But ultimately, all of this that's happening is for the better good of our country.
00:56:54.560 We want people to come to this country legally.
00:56:57.540 We want them to be vetted, processed, and do what they have to do.
00:57:00.840 I understand we have to fix that system, too.
00:57:02.980 And we will.
00:57:03.820 But we've got to start somewhere.
00:57:05.600 It's kind of like with the fentanyl.
00:57:06.880 We can't help the addicted to fentanyl and other drugs if it's right there in front of them for them to get the next dose.
00:57:13.700 So let's secure the border.
00:57:15.940 Let's stop the flow of the supply. 0.67
00:57:18.760 And then we'll deal with our problem because we actually do deal with it.
00:57:21.900 We do have a problem here.
00:57:23.100 Why are we having sex trafficking in the United States?
00:57:26.040 Because we have a problem with Americans. 0.96
00:57:27.960 One has sex with kids.
00:57:29.340 I understand that's what I did.
00:57:30.400 I rescued a lot of kids.
00:57:31.900 Oh, by the way, we have to rescue 320-some thousand kids, by the way.
00:57:35.760 That's another thing that Tom Holman has at the top of the list.
00:57:38.620 And we will.
00:57:39.360 We are going to find these children.
00:57:41.180 And so just know that the ultimate mission here of the federal government and ICE and others is for the betterment of all of us in our communities.
00:57:51.600 Yeah, you're absolutely right.
00:57:52.760 This is a big problem to fix, Victor.
00:57:54.860 I hope to God that someone from the Trump administration comes knocking on your door one day, not to interview you, to take you and bring you somewhere,
00:58:02.900 but to bring you to Washington, D.C. to help fix this problem.
00:58:05.640 There's very few people who can identify and fix a problem.
00:58:08.500 I think you're one of them.
00:58:09.460 And we hope to God they come and get you to save this country because it's going to take – what's it going to take?
00:58:15.660 An army, right?
00:58:16.360 Is that the saying?
00:58:18.280 Victor, I'm doing it.
00:58:19.920 You're absolutely right.
00:58:21.000 You're a great American.
00:58:21.880 Come back soon.
00:58:22.440 We'll talk to you soon, brother.
00:58:23.760 Thank you so much, Pam, again.
00:58:25.160 Thanks, everybody, for being with us today.
00:58:26.560 Please be sure to join us back here tomorrow for The Great America Show as our quest for truth, justice, and the American way continues.
00:58:33.720 Until then, may God bless you.
00:58:35.660 May God bless America.
00:58:37.380 May God bless the family of those loved ones on that tragic plane crash in Washington, D.C.
00:58:42.660 And may God bless the great Lou Dobbs.
00:58:44.740 We'll see you tomorrow.
00:58:45.240 We'll see you tomorrow.