The Great America Show - A TALK WITH DR. MALONE ON VAX EFFECTIVENESS & RISK

00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Great America Podcast with Lou Dobbs,

00:00:04.200 always in the fight for truth, justice, and yes, our American way of life.

00:00:09.220 And now, here he is, the Peabody award-winning voice of truth, the great Lou Dobbs.

00:00:14.820 Hello, everybody, and good to have you join us here on the Great America Show. Welcome.

00:00:20.000 Today, we have a guest I've been looking forward to talking with for some time.

00:00:24.360 Our guest is Dr. Robert Malone. You know him best probably because he and the intrepid Joe Rogan went and broke the Internet for a spell.

00:00:35.120 Dr. Malone, who is a medical doctor, a virologist, he is recognized by many as the inventor or among those who invented mRNA technology

00:00:45.440 that is the essence of the vaccines that are right now at the heart of the vaccine program in America.

00:00:55.160 But Joe Rogan had Dr. Malone on his podcast because Dr. Malone is a vaccine skeptic,

00:01:01.180 and that makes for an incredible story, of course.

00:01:03.820 And what ensued was an explosion of outrage and protest from the medical and pharmaceutical orthodoxy that,

00:01:11.540 well, that swept over social media and outraged Twitter and Google's oligarchs to the point of momentary madness.

00:01:19.080 We can only hope that it's momentary, but either way, Dr. Malone is banned by the oligarchs and their orthodoxies

00:01:26.660 for speaking with knowledge, intellect, critical judgment, and skepticism about science, medicine, vaccines,

00:01:36.080 and vaccines that he himself authored.

00:01:40.140 And Dr. Malone, in his talk with Joe Rogan, also, well, he did a secondary, I guess, event

00:01:48.240 that quickly popularized another heretical element as he was setting the Internet ablaze

00:01:55.620 with his skepticism about vaccines.

00:01:58.940 Banned by Twitter for life, no less, Dr. Malone diagnosed those in Silicon Valley

00:02:04.060 who would censure truth, who would crush dissent and skepticism as manifesting what he calls

00:02:11.460 mass formation psychosis.

00:02:14.460 We'll ask the good doctor to explain the diagnosis, and you see why I've been so eager to talk with Dr. Malone

00:02:22.200 and why we all will be thrilled to hear his thinking on vaccines, the pandemic, the virus,

00:02:28.160 our public health system, our corporate media, the mental health of our particular modern American society.

00:02:35.900 Dr. Malone, I can't tell you, I can't express how great it is to have you with us.

00:02:42.080 Thanks for being here.

00:02:44.400 Well, thank you, Lou, and thanks for all your service to the country

00:02:47.560 and for the opportunity to speak both to you and share some ideas and also with your audience.

00:02:55.880 Well, thank you, and believe me, the honor is mine.

00:03:00.160 Let's start with, first of all, do these vaccines work or do they not?

00:03:08.460 Ah, that's a great question.

00:03:10.100 Of course, work is like defining the meaning of the word is, and often people say, well, these aren't really vaccines.

00:03:20.320 They don't meet the criteria of vaccines.

00:03:22.260 I say vaccines is as vaccines does, and that's certainly their intended purpose.

00:03:29.020 Work, I think the key thing with any product like this, and understand I've been making vaccine products

00:03:36.180 and other developing platform technologies that mRNA is not the only one that I've discovered or invented.

00:03:45.240 It's pushing 40 years now.

00:03:47.480 I'm profoundly a vaccine developer, is what I do, but I'm really rigorously trained in the proper ways to do it

00:03:55.860 and what the rules are, the international rules, the U.S. rules.

00:03:59.920 I'm an expert in regulatory affairs.

00:04:02.340 It goes on and on.

00:04:03.280 So, usually, you want a vaccine that is, at a minimum, 50% effective in blocking transmission,

00:04:13.800 and these do not meet that criteria.

00:04:17.600 They've defined kind of a modified limited hangout that while they're reducing disease and death,

00:04:25.680 the problem is that the incidence of disease and death, unless you're in one of the high-risk groups,

00:04:32.320 the very elderly, morbidly obese, diabetes, a number of other things, is a fraction of a percent,

00:04:39.860 and in many cases, a fraction of a fraction of a percent, particularly for children.

00:04:43.780 And so saying it's protecting you against something that you are already protected from

00:04:49.420 because of your natural God-given immunity and immune system, is a little contrived, let's say, gently.

00:05:01.000 One could make the case that they're asserting credit for evolution or an act of God, depending on how you see things.

00:05:14.020 And at a minimum, it's disingenuous, I think, is a good word for that.

00:05:21.480 They are not particularly effective at protecting from infection, replication, and virus spreading.

00:05:31.560 They just aren't.

00:05:33.200 They aren't good enough to get us to herd immunity, full stop.

00:05:36.780 But the calculations are, even with Delta, you would have to have something like 140% uptake of the vaccines.

00:05:45.680 In other words, no way.

00:05:46.760 You can never get there.

00:05:48.080 They're just too leaky.

00:05:50.720 And then there's the problem about the side effects.

00:05:54.060 Right.

00:05:54.920 Let's talk about that vaccine because many people, and I will include myself among those folks,

00:06:01.840 you know, think, I'm looking at Pfizer's numbers, I'm looking at Moderna's numbers, both mRNA vaccines.

00:06:11.520 I immediately think, okay, well, it's, you know, I'm an older fellow, so I better get the vaccine.

00:06:18.020 My wife and I do so.

00:06:20.240 And then we start learning a little more.

00:06:22.920 And we hear about vaccines, and we equate, first of all, our experience with a flu vaccine, with a pneumonia vaccine,

00:06:32.680 which doesn't require a booster for ages.

00:06:35.920 And is this anything like the flu vaccine, either an efficacy in preventing transmission?

00:06:43.080 Does it rise to that level?

00:06:46.260 Well, you picked a sore scab right there because the flu vaccines have not been doing particularly well.

00:06:52.080 But at least they're based on well-established technology, and we know what the risks are.

00:06:57.300 This is new technology not tested before with any rigorous, you know, to any rigorous extent.

00:07:05.840 There are no long-term safety data, unlike flu or the pneumococcal vaccines.

00:07:12.060 And these are not licensed products.

00:07:14.120 There are no licensed vaccines available in the United States for COVID-19 or SARS-CoV-2.

00:07:20.460 Look, this is a misrepresentation by the administration, kind of a shell game, that they licensed Cominarty.

00:07:28.120 Well, they may have licensed it, but Pfizer doesn't allow it to be marketed in the United States,

00:07:32.680 presumably because of the liability burden that would happen if they were to do so.

00:07:38.100 So these are very different.

00:07:39.980 It's a very different technology.

00:07:41.640 It is truly untested.

00:07:43.040 And in my opinion, what they're now seeing is a cluster of inflammatory problems.

00:07:49.700 That means, you know, it's activating your immune system in ways that is damaging, causing inflammation in your body, in various organs.

00:08:01.660 And it's a problem that has been plaguing this technology platform since I originally developed it.

00:08:09.820 It's the reason I moved away from it in the 1990s as a researcher.

00:08:14.320 And they had asserted that they had solved these problems, but clearly they haven't.

00:08:19.800 There was a fascinating reveal by Moderna when they rolled out the data on their influenza vaccine version.

00:08:26.400 So these are products that don't express spike.

00:08:30.220 They have the same formulation.

00:08:32.740 And at the 100-microgram dose, which is that that's used by Moderna for their COVID vaccine,

00:08:39.180 at 100-micrograms for their flu vaccine, 90% of the people experienced adverse events,

00:08:45.360 compared to about 30% for the placebos.

00:08:49.020 That's an unacceptably high rate of adverse events.

00:08:52.460 And it shows that it's not just the spike, it's also the formulation.

00:08:56.420 It's the basic technology.

00:08:58.360 It's not ready for prime time, but it's been rolled out in the largest experiment in human beings in the history of the world.

00:09:07.100 Experimentation.

00:09:07.840 We were told that all of these vaccines approached, I shouldn't say all,

00:09:13.580 but certainly Moderna and Pfizer in the BioNTech vaccine.

00:09:17.860 They approached 90% advocacy, that they were perfectly safe,

00:09:24.780 but there's an authorized use with them rather than FDA approval.

00:09:33.320 So we knew that lawyers were involved at some level.

00:09:37.080 Your thoughts about what happened?

00:09:39.540 How is it that we so quickly went from what is a pretty rough equivalent to certitude

00:09:46.080 to a lot of questions suddenly?

00:09:50.340 Well, one of the things is that the way the data were pronounced to be 90% effective

00:09:55.960 involved a bit of another shell game, another sleight of hand,

00:10:00.260 because they were claiming that they were reducing the incidence of infection or disease

00:10:07.260 on top of a very low baseline.

00:10:11.740 And so there's a great video that illustrates this by the Canadian COVID Care Alliance.

00:10:19.660 It's actually the video that got me deplatformed from Twitter for posting.

00:10:24.380 So that was my crime, is I posted a video that's factually true,

00:10:29.080 that clearly rolls out and makes it transparent to average folks.

00:10:35.520 The games that were played to get to that number of 90%,

00:10:39.500 that's really a pretty significant misrepresentation.

00:10:43.940 Wow.

00:10:45.060 And as we are talking now,

00:10:50.740 the vaccine does not seem to be working.

00:10:54.380 Israel's saying now that you will need something more than a fourth booster shot.

00:11:00.600 They have been, I think, the most amongst, as a layman,

00:11:05.420 they've been very forthcoming about their experiences with the COVID virus,

00:11:11.620 the China virus.

00:11:13.240 But now it looks basically like we're on boosters forever

00:11:18.400 if this is to be the approach.

00:11:21.840 That is, Moderna and Pfizer.

00:11:25.400 So the good news is called Omicron.

00:11:28.360 And I was on Laura Ingraham's show before Christmas,

00:11:31.200 and I said, Omicron looks like a Christmas present.

00:11:34.180 And lo and behold, that's the case.

00:11:36.020 So it's Omicron that has caused the narrative to collapse catastrophically like it is.

00:11:41.840 And that plus pressure from his own party is what caused Boris to suddenly have an about turn in the UK.

00:11:51.700 I think that what we've got here is we're not going to have boosters forever.

00:12:03.100 It's unsustainable.

00:12:04.720 There's multiple papers out that this is wrong.

00:12:07.780 It's going to damage people's immune systems.

00:12:09.900 The WHO, apparently today, I'm told, has come out with a statement that these mandates and the boosters are wrong.

00:12:18.420 The Israeli government is acknowledging that the fourth booster isn't working.

00:12:23.340 And there's data from Europe, and I'm hearing anecdotally more and more from the United States,

00:12:28.560 that with Omicron, the people that are vaccinated are having more trouble with the infection than the people that aren't vaccinated.

00:12:38.740 One of the problems with looking at comparing now unvaccinated to vaccinated is that a large fraction of the, quote,

00:12:45.720 unvaccinated have actually been infected and developed natural immunity.

00:12:50.100 So that's the next big lie that's coming at us right now is that the vaccines are more effective than natural immunity

00:12:56.800 at protecting against reinfection, and that's just false.

00:13:00.200 There's over 140 publications that demonstrate that.

00:13:02.900 But that's the latest limited hangout that the CDC is falling back on.

00:13:08.620 But this business about the vaccines increasing the probability of people getting infected with Omicron

00:13:17.620 and maybe making it more severe is really worrisome,

00:13:21.760 because this now plunges us into that zone that we've all been worried about,

00:13:28.860 including the FDA since the outset, which is vaccine-enhanced infection and disease.

00:13:36.880 And with that, there is the counterweight in the way of popular media,

00:13:42.600 and that is that Omicron could be the burnout variant for this disease.

00:13:49.500 Please give us your assessment of both possibilities.

00:13:53.960 So what I've been saying since Omicron popped onto the scene,

00:13:58.560 really I may have been one of the first, is that Omicron looks an awful lot like if I was to design

00:14:05.840 an infectious attenuated viral vaccine, it would be hard for me to come up with something better than Omicron.

00:14:14.800 Omicron is highly, highly infectious.

00:14:17.560 It's spreading like wildfire, whether you wear masks, whether you've been vaccinated.

00:14:22.480 As I said, maybe even the vaccines make it more likely that you'll get infected.

00:14:26.480 And people that get Omicron and recover from it are developing robust B and T cell immune responses.

00:14:33.560 That paper's just out, peer-reviewed.

00:14:35.640 So Omicron is eliciting a very powerful, probably predominantly mucosal immune response,

00:14:44.980 which is what is ideal.

00:14:47.020 And it has, I'm not saying that it's nothing, but it's much less severe,

00:14:55.300 and the risk of death is pretty close to zero, unless you're somebody with one of the major high risk factors

00:15:02.900 that hasn't been previously vaccinated or infected and recovered.

00:15:06.680 So Omicron will infect all of us that haven't been previously vaccinated.

00:15:12.400 That's probably for sure.

00:15:13.900 I mean, all of us that have not been previously infected.

00:15:17.480 And it'll infect a good fraction of those that have been infected and recovered.

00:15:22.120 It will infect those that are vaccinated, and they will recover,

00:15:27.940 and especially if they get early treatment.

00:15:30.740 And it's hopefully going to elicit a robust, long-lasting natural immunity

00:15:39.540 that may well finally get us to something approaching herd immunity,

00:15:44.840 even though the vaccines can't do it.

00:15:46.540 Well, that is encouraging indeed.

00:15:50.560 Meanwhile, Pfizer has gotten authorization to use its vaccine on those five years of age,

00:15:58.080 up to 11.

00:15:59.200 And there's a lot of concern on the part of parents, of course,

00:16:05.200 as to whether or not to vaccinate children.

00:16:08.980 And that is deeply troubling to all of us who have either children or we have grandchildren.

00:16:16.780 Give us your best counsel on that.

00:16:21.180 So I have put out a little four-minute clip,

00:16:25.420 and some people call it a hostage video,

00:16:27.220 where I read a script that I've written together with some colleagues about this.

00:16:34.100 Number one, children have better immune systems than adults do.

00:16:38.780 That's just the truth.

00:16:40.560 And it has to do with this organ in their body that's in their neck called the thymus.

00:16:45.060 And it gradually shrinks as you get older and you're less able to generate robust T-cell immune responses,

00:16:54.000 which is what really controls viruses.

00:16:56.340 But kids have like a super-duper immune system.

00:17:00.240 And those of us that have been parents or are parents know that's to be the case.

00:17:05.000 Our kids shrug off all kinds of infectious disease they get that they encounter in the environment.

00:17:11.120 And COVID is another one that they shrug off.

00:17:13.360 Unless your child has significant pre-existing conditions, there is virtually a 0% chance they're going to die.

00:17:23.140 They handle COVID very, very well.

00:17:25.540 Healthy children do.

00:17:27.160 There's no reason to vaccinate them.

00:17:29.580 They do have risk of vaccine-induced damage.

00:17:33.120 And that risk is something all in.

00:17:37.500 It's something in the range of 1 in 1,000 to 1 in 3,000 children that get vaccinated will have some sort of significant adverse event like myocarditis.

00:17:47.120 Myocarditis incidence has been measured in Hong Kong for hospitalized myocarditis in young boys at a range of 1 in 2,700,

00:17:55.980 which may seem like pretty rare to you unless your child is one of the ones that gets it.

00:18:02.700 Exactly.

00:18:03.120 So what I've said in my little video clip that lit the world on fire a bit and got the Israeli Ministry of Health really worried

00:18:10.860 because people were listening to it, is that as a parent, it's your responsibility.

00:18:16.740 It's not the responsibility of the state.

00:18:18.940 It's your responsibility to protect your children and to get educated and make an informed decision

00:18:24.760 about whether or not they should be vaccinated.

00:18:27.320 Don't abdicate your responsibility to the school district or to the governor of California.

00:18:33.120 Don't abdicate your responsibility to protect your children.

00:18:38.860 Don't abdicate your children and you're going to have to live with it because they've created this whole web of indemnification. 0.76

00:18:44.940 And if your child is harmed, good luck on that because there's no place you can go to to to get compensated.

00:18:53.100 And you're going to have to live with the fact that your child has been damaged and that you could have stopped it.

00:18:59.400 And you're going to live with that for the rest of your life.

00:19:01.220 And so are they.

00:19:01.780 So think twice.

00:19:04.000 Yeah, it is a very sobering responsibility, parenthood, and this making it all the more so those choices and those decisions for any of us.

00:19:14.480 But that, after all, is also a product of living in a free society.

00:19:19.400 I want to turn to how we got to vaccines before we got to therapeutics.

00:19:27.280 And have we gotten to therapeutics in response to the disease?

00:19:33.100 Good question and good lead.

00:19:34.820 Thank you.

00:19:35.220 When I got this call from the CIA officer that was in Wuhan, he called me on January 4th.

00:19:43.080 This is a guy that I had published with in the past.

00:19:45.880 And he told me that I needed to get my team spun up because this virus looked like it was going to be a real problem.

00:19:53.420 And so I get this call from Wuhan and I am already working with a team developing drugs as treatments for various chemical nerve agents.

00:20:05.220 And I get the guys and gals to volunteer to start working on using our fancy computational tools for discovering drugs for this virus, repurposed drugs,

00:20:16.280 because I had made the assessment that it was going to take too long to develop safe and effective vaccines.

00:20:23.400 And frankly, I think time has proven that to be the case.

00:20:27.420 We got going focused on drug repurposing, and I've been very much involved in that world.

00:20:33.240 And by the way, we now have clinical trials finally started, despite all the obstacles the FDA could throw at us under Department of Defense funding through the company called Lidos for the drug combination that we've identified,

00:20:47.360 which is the combination repurposed drugs of Fumatidine, which is you call Pepsid, and Celecoxib, which is Celebrex.

00:20:58.280 So those are two off patent drugs.

00:21:00.900 One is by prescription.

00:21:02.140 One, you can walk into Walmart and buy anytime.

00:21:04.140 And those trials are finally started.

00:21:07.280 But I work closely with the likes of Pierre, Corey, Paul Merrick.

00:21:11.000 As a matter of fact, I just had lunch with them a moment ago.

00:21:12.940 And the leaders at the FLCCC, and Peter McCullough, Richard Urso, there's many, many George Fareed, many that have pioneered, Zeb Zelenko is another one I should mention, that have pioneered early treatment, and that are being, frankly, hunted.

00:21:32.780 They're being run out of their hospitals.

00:21:35.700 People are trying to take their license.

00:21:38.680 I know this lovely little old lady. 1.00

00:21:43.460 She'd probably kill me if I said that. 1.00

00:21:46.760 She's in her 70s.

00:21:48.400 She's been practicing medicine her whole life.

00:21:50.360 She's the one that prescribed ivermectin for me for my long COVID.

00:21:54.980 They've taken her license, and they're forcing her to get a psychological examination because she's giving early treatment,

00:22:01.260 trying to save patients' lives.

00:22:03.400 What has been done here?

00:22:05.280 And I know that pharma has been partially behind it, but we're still yet to find out what's really happened with the government and its bizarre attempts to suppress these agents that are clearly effective.

00:22:22.180 Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and there's many, many others.

00:22:26.220 And I think that's a story still to be told.

00:22:29.980 Zev Zelenko has a fantastic video in which Rick Bright, the former head of BARDA, directly states that he intentionally circumvented the will of the president of the United States, whether you like Donald Trump or not.

00:22:44.260 You know, when the president tells you to do something, generally, if you're a bureaucrat, you ought to do it.

00:22:48.780 And Rick Bright was fourth down from the president, and he conspired with Janet Woodcock, a formerly acting director of the FDA.

00:22:56.540 Excuse me, can I interject?

00:22:58.600 And Bright was head of the vaccine.

00:23:03.780 No, he's head of Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Agency, which gives out the big, big money for advanced development of medical products.

00:23:12.720 So they directly conspired to make it so that physicians wouldn't be able to give out hydroxychloroquine in the outpatient environment.

00:23:22.060 I mean, it's incontrovertible.

00:23:23.620 So I really look forward to what I anticipate is going to be a turnover in the Senate and the House at the midterms.

00:23:31.160 And to my friend, my respected friend, Senator Ron Johnson, becoming head of the investigation subcommittee, because I know that he will get to the bottom of this.

00:23:43.980 And by the way, he's having hearings next Monday.

00:23:46.720 So you might want to tune in for those also, in addition to the rally on Sunday.

00:23:51.920 Absolutely.

00:23:53.020 I want to wrap up a couple of threads still on therapeutics.

00:24:00.480 Do you recommend if people just simply treat themselves, as it were, for COVID, whether it's Omicron, it is almost always, as I understand it now, Omicron, or how should people react when they get the virus?

00:24:24.900 So for some of us that are elderly or have hyperglycemic states, have diabetes, are morbidly obese, we're still at risk.

00:24:40.320 Omicron is not nothing.

00:24:42.980 My recommendation, number one, is live a healthy life.

00:24:47.460 Try to drop your weight if you can.

00:24:49.840 Absolutely make sure that your vitamin D levels are up.

00:24:52.740 Go to the doc, get the blood test.

00:24:55.500 Don't just assume that you're taking enough vitamin D.

00:24:57.640 You're certainly not getting enough in your milk.

00:25:00.080 So get your vitamin D levels up and find a doc that will treat you as an outpatient.

00:25:04.860 This is bizarre, this thing of we're not going to treat you until you're sick enough that we can admit you and put you on the ventilator and give remdesivir, which is a toxic drug.

00:25:15.500 But the hospitals are incentivized to do this.

00:25:17.740 And strangely, it's the hospitalists and the hospital administrators that are attacking the outpatient physicians that are saving lives by giving early treatment.

00:25:27.560 So find those docs. 0.97

00:25:29.420 Find a doc that will do it now, that will treat you.

00:25:34.640 FLCCC website can help you with that.

00:25:37.560 There's many others.

00:25:38.580 So I don't advise that you treat yourself.

00:25:42.580 In my case, when I got Delta, because I've both been double jabbed and had the infection twice, I had the initial Wuhan strain and then I got Delta strain last fall.

00:25:53.880 So I got a prescription for hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin and some other agents.

00:26:00.980 My pharmacist wouldn't fill them.

00:26:03.460 And so because I know what I know, I use Fumatidine plus adult aspirin.

00:26:09.540 Aspirin is shown to be effective.

00:26:11.960 It will block a lot of the coagulation problems, which are at the root of much of the toxicity.

00:26:16.880 And Fumatidine is helpful, but you have to take it at the right dose and you have to make sure that you have good renal function.

00:26:25.220 But I did that.

00:26:26.740 I'm a physician.

00:26:27.860 I did it because I know these drugs.

00:26:30.700 I know the virus.

00:26:32.960 I know how to treat it.

00:26:34.740 I really strongly recommend that you do get a physician's assistance in treating and find that doc now.

00:26:44.420 Don't wait.

00:26:45.220 And I encourage everyone to follow the doctor's advice.

00:26:50.280 I know I will.

00:26:51.620 Let me let me turn, if I may, to to this issue of experimentation and to where we are with our public health organizations, because we're two years into this experience, this crisis, this pandemic.

00:27:09.320 I don't have the feeling I have a high level of discomfort that the public health agencies aren't two years smarter and they aren't two years better.

00:27:21.760 And we need real focus from those who know what they're talking about, you, Dr. Peter McCullough, and the others, to say, what do we need to do to make this thing work?

00:27:37.600 Is it really too high an expectation that public health would know what they're doing in the midst of a pandemic of this nature?

00:27:47.240 I'm reminded of another one of these cartoon memes that circulated where it shows the gravestone and it says CDC on the gravestone.

00:27:59.540 It says the credibility of the CDC on the gravestone and one character is saying to the other, did it die with COVID or of COVID?

00:28:07.900 And I think you're right, where I've been predicting this for months and months and months, what would happen to public faith in the public health enterprise, in the medical enterprise, if it turned out that this lab leak hypothesis had merit and that ivermectin was effective and that the vaccines are not fully safe and effective.

00:28:35.680 And here we are, and what a surprise, the public has lost trust, I think for good reason.

00:28:45.360 And what we see is, long ago, I kind of started this whole wordplay of the noble lie, as it applies to Tony Fauci, and Tony and Rochelle Walensky just seem to keep doubling down.

00:29:00.500 And I don't know how we get to the point of having rational, objective, unbiased advice and policy, public policy.

00:29:18.120 It is, you know, this is, it's just, our public policy is too closely aligned with financial interests of the pharmaceutical industry.

00:29:28.760 And let's leave it at that.

00:29:29.680 I don't want to make assertions about what people are doing or why, but I think all of us can see that if you follow the money,

00:29:38.780 there is a remarkable parallelism between our public policy and the interests of the large pharmaceutical companies.

00:29:47.560 And that's, that's just not okay.

00:29:50.900 It shows what a lot of us have been complaining about for a long time, is rampant regulatory capture in the CDC and the FDA.

00:30:01.800 And I think this is a consequence, I really think the blame goes back to our legislators.

00:30:08.800 Many of them are funded by pharma.

00:30:11.080 Oh, absolutely.

00:30:12.280 Pharma generates enormous, I make the case that basically pharma makes so much profit that it ends up funding most of our elections down to the local administrator level.

00:30:24.260 And that's, you know, we're living with the consequences.

00:30:27.680 They kind of own our politicians because they paid for them. 0.97

00:30:32.100 Yeah.

00:30:32.280 And in this country, occasionally we do get what we pay for.

00:30:35.900 This, unfortunately, is one of those.

00:30:38.420 Just so.

00:30:39.720 One of those that could be included.

00:30:41.840 You also, when you were talking with Joe Rogan, came up with a diagnosis.

00:30:45.700 This is one of your assertions that we're going through something called, I think I've got this right, mass psychosis formation, which I thought was fascinating because most of us just talk about this is mass hypnosis because we saw a B movie somewhere in our childhood.

00:31:04.160 But this is, this is looking a little like that, but you're using it clinically and professionally.

00:31:12.200 Give us, give us your diagnosis and what it all means.

00:31:17.000 So it's actually not my theory.

00:31:19.180 It's Matthias Desmets from the University of Ghent.

00:31:22.840 And the fact checkers immediately jumped on this and said, oh, no, there's no such thing.

00:31:28.820 And so I put out a sub stack with Matthias editing it and helping me that documented the over 200 year history.

00:31:35.620 Now, using the term psychosis is a little bit edgy.

00:31:39.780 It certainly got people's attention.

00:31:41.320 And it is the madness of crowds and there's huge, you know, like I said, 200 years plus of deep academic research and thought in this area, including some of the great philosophers of the 20th century.

00:31:57.000 I'd love to read, if you don't mind, a couple of quotes from Matthias's new book, The Origins of Totalitarianism.

00:32:06.100 It's out in Dutch and it will soon be out in English.

00:32:08.580 So this is him writing, and as I mentioned, I was just with Matthias on an extended documentary photo shoot in Spain over the last five years, just returned last night.

00:32:19.120 So regarding the current situation, here's a quote from this book.

00:32:23.320 Alternative voices are stigmatized by a veritable ministry of truth, which is crowded with fact checkers.

00:32:30.440 Freedom of speech is curtailed by various forms of censorship and self-censorship.

00:32:34.440 People's right to self-determination is infringed upon by coercive vaccination strategies, which impose heretofore unthinkable social exclusion and segregation upon society.

00:32:45.340 And here's his comment in general about mass formation and the origins of totalitarianism.

00:32:55.280 He says,

00:32:56.840 Gustave Le Bon famously stated that crowds are only powerful for destruction.

00:33:02.480 Devoted to the principle of solidarity, they always aim to pursue the greater good in the belief this will lead to an ideological paradise.

00:33:10.460 Sound familiar?

00:33:10.900 However, the outcome is invariably the same, an infernal abyss.

00:33:17.220 Crowds and their rulers are blindly dragged down into a malice term of destruction until they're faced with the ultimate consequence of the rationale that monopolizes their mind.

00:33:27.240 Mechanistic worldview of a dead, soulless universe.

00:33:30.960 This is the process that led the Russians down into their own private little hell. 0.99

00:33:39.480 This is under the Soviet Union. 0.95

00:33:42.040 This is the process that led the Germans to their unique form of crazy. 1.00

00:33:48.360 A case can be made.

00:33:49.480 This is what happened with the Red Scare in the United States in the 50s.

00:33:55.820 And perhaps even to an extent, what happened to us after the Twin Towers came down.

00:34:03.180 This is a fundamental process that has been with human society as long as there has been human society.

00:34:10.140 But Matthias says that the trend is quite clearly getting more severe during the 20th and 21st century.

00:34:18.260 And that that is the consequence of the rise of mass media.

00:34:21.700 It's media that is driving this whole process together with our becoming so disassociated with each other.

00:34:31.620 The underlying illness is that we have lost connectivity with each other and with our social organizations, whether it's church or other social groups.

00:34:43.620 And we've substituted it for, you know, our cell phones and social media.

00:34:49.000 So it's really what we're facing is a consequence of a sickness that has come to us because of mass media and to a significant extent because the role of big tech in changing everybody's lives and fragmenting us in the way that they have.

00:35:04.760 And there arises, then the question, to what degree is this mass formation?

00:35:14.060 Is it intent or is it a causal byproduct of a quarantine and isolation imposed by a virus that just happened to originate in a laboratory in a country that is totalitarian? 0.52

00:35:32.820 And subject itself to that very same diagnosis, it would seem to me, your thoughts?

00:35:39.700 I completely concur.

00:35:41.740 And but in terms of the origin of the virus, you know, the data are in now.

00:35:46.740 Yes, it arose in the Wuhan lab, highly likely, but it did so with funding provided by the good Dr.

00:35:54.240 Tony Fauci, Tony Fauci and the.

00:35:57.100 Speaking of madness.

00:35:58.840 Yeah.

00:36:00.120 And in it, we do this.

00:36:04.520 You're right.

00:36:05.500 The specter of what has gone on in the People's Republic of China is is a warning to us all things that we all thought.

00:36:17.220 You know, we we felt sorry for the Chinese people just a few years ago because the Internet was filtered.

00:36:23.100 They weren't allowed to think for themselves.

00:36:24.900 They weren't allowed to communicate about issues.

00:36:27.060 The state controlled everything they could do.

00:36:29.000 And here we are.

00:36:30.000 And so if we look to them, well, the next things that we might see is these various forms of social control through social credit system, AI driven facial recognition and everything else.

00:36:43.600 I think that the big question and I direct your, you know, Neil Oliver from GB News, a fantastic commentator, put out a video the other day where where he was, you know, he was just spoke clearly, concisely, logically, without any drama, particularly about the role of the World Economic Forum in driving all of this.

00:37:13.600 And and and I think that people are really starting to focus on what the heck has happened with the World Economic Forum.

00:37:23.360 They have I you know, you remember you're old enough and I am.

00:37:27.800 We remember this old movie called The Manchurian Candidate.

00:37:31.700 You bet.

00:37:32.720 But but we're in a situation where the World Economic Forum has groomed world leaders.

00:37:38.500 And many of those world leaders are now running Western countries and they have been raised in the ideology of.

00:37:49.960 A transnational world and a new world order run from a single governmental entity there, there, they are trained in the logic of one world government and the logic of the World Economic Forum.

00:38:11.140 And frankly, as far as I'm concerned, I wrote today in a sub stack, these people are not patriots, I'm not even sure that they really meet the criteria of being American citizens.

00:38:26.000 I think their allegiance is not to America, their allegiance is to the World Economic Forum and the new transnational one world order.

00:38:34.180 And I will share with you something I've never discussed on the air, but I was the guy who had been working for CNN 30 years ago.

00:38:45.520 No, I was the guy who put the World Economic Forum on television.

00:38:52.260 I walked away from the World Economic Forum within a matter of two or three years, because what I saw disturbed me deeply.

00:39:03.940 There was at that point, there was a lot of talk about the NWO, but we all thought it was some sort of fiction that that George H.W. Bush had fantasized.

00:39:16.980 But, you know, Klaus Schwab, it is his imaginings that is at the root of all of this.

00:39:27.480 And I think it is, I'm just delighted, I'm surprised, but I'm delighted to hear you take it up, because it is truly a force not for good.

00:39:36.720 I have been dragged there, you know, by my heels, resisting every step of the way, but it is the only thing that explains the data.

00:39:51.820 And I am fundamentally a scientist.

00:39:53.300 And I find it shocking that the likes of Justin Trudeau and most of the Western leaders have basically been trained by the World Economic Forum and then brought up.

00:40:07.620 Pete Buttigieg is another one.

00:40:11.160 That's, these are the leaders that have been placed.

00:40:15.280 You know, Jeff Bezos.

00:40:16.180 It's just, the list goes on and on and on.

00:40:19.740 And you see that, and it's hard to, it's hard, it is the one thing which ties together this odd observation of horizontal integration across tech, pharma, media, and the government.

00:40:43.500 That is hard to explain, and none of us have ever seen before with prior outbreaks, and it is global.

00:40:51.180 And it's very difficult to dismiss it all as coincidence or at any point to try to escape the rational conclusion as to what it is.

00:41:02.340 Well, and they're very, to their credit, I think, give credit where credit's due.

00:41:08.140 The World Economic Forum is really quite transparent about what their plans and operations are.

00:41:13.180 You can look all this stuff up, so you don't have to make up anything.

00:41:16.840 The data's right there.

00:41:18.860 So are the Chinese. 0.98

00:41:20.780 Well put.

00:41:21.780 Which helps me segue back to that.

00:41:25.860 How is it such a well-meaning doctors?

00:41:29.020 And I know several of them.

00:41:30.840 I am shocked by the illusion that obviously some of our leading virologists were under, that the Chinese communists were to be trusted, that we had something to gain from investing in their laboratories, whether in Wuhan or wherever else, and that we should share our knowledge with these folks.

00:41:58.020 It's just, it's stunning.

00:42:00.820 Do you have a thought on that?

00:42:05.620 Hmm.

00:42:07.860 I'd not, so that's a complex topic.

00:42:11.620 The logic of interest is that it's still ongoing.

00:42:17.020 I've spoken to close friends that work for a defense threat reduction agency, and apparently the threat mitigation branch of DITRA continues to fund the Wuhan lab.

00:42:29.080 The logic is akin to the buying up of the loose nukes in Russia, that if we only provide funding for these poor errant Chinese scientists, then they won't go on and do bad things. 0.99

00:42:46.180 I, it's hard, it, it, the paper trail seems to indicate that EcoHealth Alliance and DASIC, and now we know that DASIC, according to, to a recent account on Twitter, from a scientific colleague, DASIC has ties to the CIA.

00:43:08.360 And they, they appear to have used the Wuhan laboratory pathway to escape, escape a mandate that they shall not perform gain of function research.

00:43:23.760 And we had Tony asserting, you know, kind of doing the, Bill Clinton, redefining the meaning of words in his testimony, you know, Tony did that in his testimony in the Senate by saying, well, no, this wasn't really gain of function research.

00:43:39.540 Yet, we have the review, we have the proposal from DASIC and EcoHealth submitted to DARPA now, thanks to Veritas, and we have the review from DARPA, in which they clearly state that this is gain of function research.

00:43:57.040 Apparently, that proposal, after they rejected it because it was too high a risk and the risks hadn't been mitigated, then it went over and was submitted to Tony's shop and he funded it.

00:44:07.180 And, you know, this is just, you know, this is just duplicitous at best, Tony, Tony asserting that this was not gain of function research, it clearly was gain of function research.

00:44:18.320 Deplicitous, and when, and in speaking with Senator Paul, he straight out lied.

00:44:25.520 And I think there will be an account, I think there will be an accounting for that, and I know that Senator Paul means to do so.

00:44:34.160 Think this through with me.

00:44:35.260 Okay, I'm delighted that you spent all of this time with us, and we appreciate it greatly.

00:44:43.900 Yeah, just think for a minute.

00:44:46.780 We now have documentation that pretty clearly establishes how and why the U.S. government funded the development of this virus.

00:44:57.800 There is going to have to be a reckoning, and the economic and sociologic and damage and the damage to world health is profound.

00:45:14.340 Who's going to have to take responsibility for that?

00:45:18.220 It's a deep question, and we're going to have to deal with it pretty soon.

00:45:24.000 Are you optimistic that we will see resolution?

00:45:27.980 We'll get answers?

00:45:29.160 Because Washington is a place where truth goes to die, after all.

00:45:32.660 I can't see how the United States can confront this in an honest, transparent way, because the liability is enormous.

00:45:46.220 It would bankrupt us, it would bankrupt us.

00:45:49.020 I don't see how they can do it.

00:45:52.380 And therefore, this is going to further erode America's geopolitical interests, which have already been deeply damaged, because the defects in our system, the corruption, is now out there for the world to see.

00:46:13.060 But, Lou, I've got a positive thing, too.

00:46:16.200 So I'm just back from Spain, where I spent a lot of time with Belgians and other Europeans, as I mentioned, with Matthias and with Gert van den Bosch, among others.

00:46:25.440 And the world still looks to the United States for leadership, despite all this.

00:46:31.700 They still hope that we are the shining city on the hill, that we are Camelot, that we can be that again.

00:46:39.040 We are seen as still the great experiment in democracy.

00:46:47.380 And we, I think that we can step up, and maybe the demonstrations this Sunday are a step in that direction.

00:46:55.760 I think that the American people have begun to see through this, and they're good.

00:47:02.900 They are fundamentally good.

00:47:04.920 And I think that we can return to being a beacon for the world.

00:47:14.360 But we're going to have to go through a period where we hold some people accountable, in my opinion.

00:47:21.720 You know, and I want to, if I may, address two issues.

00:47:26.180 One is accountability and the immense liability.

00:47:29.900 It seems to me that the immense liability rests with Xi Jinping and the People's Republic of China.

00:47:37.040 He unleashed a virus on the world that he knew to be highly transmissible, to be lethal.

00:47:44.580 And he did not issue a warning to a single, solitary leader in the entire world.

00:47:51.640 He issued such guidance to his own provinces, but not to the world.

00:47:58.420 And he has immense liability.

00:48:02.580 And it seems that discussion is something that is avoided in every state capital in the world.

00:48:09.320 Yeah, this was, so this fascinating book from the head of the Wellcome Trust, in which he reveals that Fauci and himself and Francis Collins all got burner phones, so that they could discuss how to cover all this stuff up.

00:48:30.080 And the frank discussion that it was covered up because of the potential embarrassment it would cause to certain worldwide groups and harm to science.

00:48:41.600 I mean, that's pretty close to saying, yeah, we covered it up because we didn't want to embarrass China. 0.73

00:48:46.200 Yeah, it's just the irrationality of these folks who consider themselves to be so bright and for some reason.

00:48:58.120 Ah, you just put your finger on it, okay, is this all comes down to hubris.

00:49:04.520 Yep, exactly.

00:49:05.600 A man who was 81 years old who is still in the same job that he's held for 40 years and is the highest paid individual.

00:49:15.200 He's the J. Edgar Hoover of our age.

00:49:20.100 And, you know, you know, you know how he got that big raise was it was part of the, I think it's the Pandemic and All Hazards Preparedness Bill.

00:49:30.760 Basically, they gave him a big raise because of his important contributions in biodefense.

00:49:38.180 That's what the justification.

00:49:40.200 Biodefense.

00:49:41.220 He was so central to the American biodefense enterprise.

00:49:45.200 And stunning stuff, as always.

00:49:49.220 The layers of irony just don't stop.

00:49:51.980 Well, the layers of intellect and knowledge that you have shared with us today.

00:49:57.720 I know we'll never stop, but we're delighted that we hope you'll come back soon and share more.

00:50:04.820 But we're delighted that you shared your time with us and your knowledge and your perspective.

00:50:10.880 Thanks so much.

00:50:11.680 Hey, if I can give one shout out, everybody that's going to go to the rally, wear your white coats if you're a medical professional or you're in the medical professions, okay?

00:50:21.060 Wear your white coats when you come.

00:50:22.580 Dr. Malone, we did not touch on that.

00:50:25.360 And I will guarantee you that we will hawk the march in Washington Sunday to step up against the vaccines that Dr. Malone has just described, the reasons that he's described.

00:50:41.620 Yeah, if you're concerned about it all, I think I can speak.

00:50:46.460 Well, I won't.

00:50:47.120 I'll just let you have the last word, doctor.

00:50:49.460 Stop the mandates and save our children.

00:50:52.620 And I always like to say, remember the Harry Truman call and reply when they would say, give them hell, Harry.

00:51:00.440 And he would say, I just tell the truth and they think it's hell.

00:51:03.480 Amen, doctor.

00:51:06.100 Amen.

00:51:07.380 Dr. Malone, thanks so much.

00:51:08.800 Enjoyed it thoroughly.

00:51:10.000 Thank you, Lou.

00:51:10.600 Bye-bye.

00:51:11.300 Appreciate it.

00:51:12.340 Join us again tomorrow for the Great America Podcast.

00:51:15.520 Stay in the fight.

00:51:16.500 Truth, justice, and the American way will prevail against all enemies, against all odds.

The Great America Show - January 25, 2022

A TALK WITH DR. MALONE ON VAX EFFECTIVENESS & RISK

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