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00:01:22.060 Hello, everybody. I'm Lew Dobbs.

00:01:24.380 Welcome to The Great America Show.

00:01:26.200 Great to have you with us.

00:01:28.020 We're just days from a potential government shutdown and House Speaker Kevin McCarthy still has no plan to fund the federal government.

00:01:36.380 In the midst of all that is going on, McCarthy sent all members of Congress home last Friday.

00:01:42.300 The House Conservatives and the Freedom Caucus proposing now four single-subject spending bills that McCarthy could take up this week,

00:01:50.620 if he so chooses, that will be stopgap spending measures, short-term funding of the government.

00:01:57.540 Congressman Matt Gaetz telling Fox News without the Freedom Caucus McCarthy wouldn't even entertain the idea.

00:02:04.780 By the way, don't give Kevin McCarthy credit for the fact that we're moving on to these four appropriations bills.

00:02:10.040 That was the deal that House Conservatives foisted upon Kevin McCarthy when he couldn't just move the big spending bills without moving the bills that cut spending.

00:02:17.960 We said, no, no, no. You have to move bills like the state and foreign ops bill because we don't think we should be borrowing money from China to go fund gay pride parades in Prague or LGBTQ seminars in Indonesia.

00:02:30.940 We don't think that that's a good use of our money.

00:02:33.180 And the only way to do this, Maria, is line by line.

00:02:35.780 Kevin wants it in one big up or down vote.

00:02:38.180 Keep the government open. Shut it down.

00:02:39.640 I'm saying single-subject spending bills.

00:02:41.780 It's the only way to break the fever and liberate ourselves from this out-of-control spending.

00:02:45.440 It's also worth noting that McCarthy has backtracked on removing Ukraine funding from the Pentagon spending package.

00:02:53.280 The speaker is clearly not on board with the America First agenda.

00:02:57.700 In other big congressional news this week, House Oversight Committee begins their first impeachment inquiry hearings.

00:03:05.380 Just last week, James Comer, chairman of the committee, subpoenaed more bank records from the Biden crime family.

00:03:12.340 Initially, Comer has said the Biden family made roughly $10 million from overseas business dealings.

00:03:19.600 The latest number now, according to the chairman, is upwards of $50 million.

00:03:25.080 Turning now to the stunning Washington Post-ABC News poll out over the weekend,

00:03:30.120 it shows President Trump with a commanding 10-point lead over Joe Biden in a general election matchup.

00:03:37.900 That ABC WAPO poll shows Biden's approval rating diving to Jimmy Carter levels and lower.

00:03:45.680 Biden with a 37% approval rating, 19 points lower than his disapproval rating of 57%.

00:03:53.820 He is 19 points underwater.

00:03:56.900 And the internal numbers in this poll make the poll arguably unsurvivable for Joe Biden.

00:04:03.940 A record number of Americans say that they're worse off under his presidency.

00:04:08.420 His ratings on handling the economy and immigration dismal. 0.99

00:04:12.740 Only 30% approve of his job on the economy.

00:04:16.780 And Biden's approval rating on immigration and the border is even worse.

00:04:21.600 23%.

00:04:22.280 These numbers reveal that despite owning the national corporate Marxist Dem propaganda machine,

00:04:29.420 Americans are now fully aware of the disaster that is this puppet president and his Marxist Dem regime. 0.77

00:04:37.840 There is no point in any further pretense on the part of the Marxist Dems.

00:04:42.320 The curtain has been pulled back on the puppet president.

00:04:45.440 The strings are in full view and the Biden's troubles becoming impossible to overcome.

00:04:52.020 His future seems to me, at least, to be of one of two likely paths.

00:04:57.440 Either he resigns or he is impeached.

00:05:00.720 We'll see.

00:05:02.120 Meanwhile, President Trump grows stronger electorally.

00:05:05.000 Among GOP primary voters, a new NBC News poll last night showing President Trump polling at 59%.

00:05:12.860 Governor Ron DeSantis down at 16%.

00:05:16.260 In that same poll, Joe Biden's disapproval rating has hit a new all-time high of 56%.

00:05:22.820 All of these polls, no matter which you look at, spell big trouble ahead for Joe Biden,

00:05:28.600 the Marxist Dems, and the Rhinos, and the likelihood of a Trump victory, a major victory in 2024.

00:05:37.340 Let's bring in our guest today to take all of this up and more.

00:05:40.820 Joining us now is the CEO of Trump Media and Technology Group,

00:05:44.720 former congressman, former chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Devin Nunes.

00:05:49.840 Devin, great to have you back with us.

00:05:51.540 It's always fun to talk with you and to hear your insights, your perspective, with your knowledge.

00:05:56.460 And right now, let's talk about this 118th Congress.

00:06:01.180 It looks like it may be historic in a number of ways.

00:06:04.820 One of them, we'll find out, I suppose, this week, would be to shut down the federal government.

00:06:10.760 Your thoughts about what's likely to happen?

00:06:13.900 Well, Lou, it's always a pleasure to be with you.

00:06:16.700 And, of course, we love having you on True Social.

00:06:19.640 And it's been, you know, just being out of Washington now for, you know, a year and a half, running a startup company,

00:06:31.920 then kind of going back into the swamp.

00:06:35.080 It's just like, you know, some things just never change.

00:06:38.040 And I think where you have to start is that all roads lead back to the Obama administration.

00:06:48.240 A lot of people are focused on Biden and Hunter Biden.

00:06:51.120 And, you know, there's no question the most corrupt, you know, political family in history, I think,

00:06:55.540 when this is all said and done, if the Department of Justice actually does an investigation.

00:07:00.440 But, you know, the Congress, the Republicans in Congress, and I was there last week talking to a few of them,

00:07:10.780 you know, they're just in a very tough position because they only have a five-seat majority.

00:07:17.220 And a lot of people, you know, they say, well, the Republicans can, as you know, the Republicans,

00:07:24.380 you know, they can start a spending bill, which is true, but they can't finish one.

00:07:29.680 And that's where a lot of people, I think, get lost.

00:07:32.380 And, you know, the Senate has to approve it, and it has to get a signature by Biden.

00:07:38.340 So, you know, look, my take on this is that, I don't know, you know, you're asking me to kind of strategize,

00:07:45.780 put my strategy hat back on politically here.

00:07:50.460 You know, look, I think they should go slow.

00:07:53.780 I don't think they should actually let the government shut down,

00:07:56.680 because I think that's just a, you know, with the, as we learned during the Obama administration,

00:08:02.220 they will target every single Republican across this country first.

00:08:07.940 They'll go after the small businesses and all those kind of games.

00:08:11.720 But I also don't think that, I think it would also be a mistake to just fund the government for a year.

00:08:18.300 And, you know, kind of what my recommendation is, is that, you know, look, do 30 days, continue in resolution.

00:08:28.880 They need to hone their message, right?

00:08:30.820 And that's one of the challenges they have, Lou, is that the Biden administration,

00:08:36.880 along with all the Obama people that are running it,

00:08:39.320 have created such a train wreck in this country that there's so many things that got to be fixed, right?

00:08:46.960 So you start with kind of the overall, well, let me just tell you what I think most,

00:08:53.580 the most important issues at the highest level are.

00:08:55.860 And I don't want you or your audience to think that just because I don't say something doesn't mean it's not there,

00:09:01.500 because we could probably sit, you know, for the whole show here and just talk about all the problems.

00:09:06.500 But here's where I start.

00:09:09.280 The Department of Justice and the FBI are more corrupt than they've ever been,

00:09:16.040 and they get worse day by day.

00:09:18.080 And we don't have a country if you don't have a fair justice system.

00:09:21.980 And so I think they've got to continue to highlight that,

00:09:26.800 that we're not interested in continuing this two-tiered justice system that we have going in this country right now.

00:09:34.500 So we're going to give you two weeks, a month, and we want to see Merrick Garland,

00:09:38.900 and we want to see these investigations, you know, stop and the nonsense stop.

00:09:44.000 That, to me, is the biggest problem we face right now.

00:09:49.000 Some people can argue other sides of that, but, you know,

00:09:52.180 we passed the Rubicon when we have a former president's house being raided

00:09:55.660 and now being indicted four different times in four different locations.

00:09:59.060 Never happened.

00:10:00.120 Never happened in the history of this country to any citizen.

00:10:03.500 I think the record is being indicted in two different locations.

00:10:07.200 And I don't think there's a, as far as I know,

00:10:09.340 there's not even a person that's been indicted, you know, three times in three different locations,

00:10:13.200 you know, at the same, you know, basically simultaneously.

00:10:17.200 The second issue that I think is, you know, at the highest level,

00:10:24.200 and I know it's one that you focused on for many, many years,

00:10:28.040 and that is the uncontrollable flow of people coming into this country across the border.

00:10:34.120 They took a problem that's been there for 30 years,

00:10:36.660 and they basically just opened up all the floodgates and said, come on through.

00:10:40.820 And now, you know, you have some 8 million people that have been let in in the last couple of years,

00:10:45.940 and you have people coming from, this isn't just like, you know, back in the day, Lou, you know,

00:10:49.740 you remember, you know, these were people that were coming, you know,

00:10:53.260 there were jobs that weren't being filled here.

00:10:55.680 And so, you know, most of the people were coming from Mexico, maybe Central America.

00:11:00.920 Lou, they're coming from over 100 different countries.

00:11:04.040 We have Chinese nationals coming into this country of military-aged men.

00:11:08.540 I saw a number the other day, they estimate like 15,000.

00:11:12.440 I mean, 15,000, Lou, is like a military brigade, right?

00:11:16.580 That's right. Absolutely.

00:11:17.960 So that's got to stop.

00:11:20.300 So DOJ, two-tiered system of justice, the border's got to be stopped.

00:11:24.580 To me, that's one and two.

00:11:26.880 And we can argue over, there's a lot of others,

00:11:29.640 but I think the Republicans, because they have such a small majority,

00:11:33.720 they better keep their messaging tight because, as you know, the fake news,

00:11:38.680 they're just going to go out and say, oh, Republicans are just shutting down the government again, you know.

00:11:42.600 And then if the Republicans are kind of scattered in terms of their description of why, you know,

00:11:50.420 the government was shut down, because it doesn't matter.

00:11:51.760 They'll get blamed.

00:11:52.840 So if you've got one member saying, well, I didn't get this, or I want that, or I want it,

00:11:57.360 they're not going to be on message.

00:11:58.900 I think the American people will understand the two points that I just made.

00:12:03.880 The election interference has got to stop.

00:12:06.920 It's over.

00:12:07.700 We're not going to fund this government fully until, we're just going to keep going 30 days at a time

00:12:12.300 until you guys decide to stop this, you know, sorry, I know you have a family-friendly show,

00:12:16.820 but I almost said a bad word.

00:12:19.420 And then secondly, the flow of the border has got to stop.

00:12:21.780 Got to stop.

00:12:22.980 I have to say to you, I've talked with a lot of folks over these issues.

00:12:27.880 You have just laid out what I think is the most intelligent, rational, and effective approach

00:12:34.460 and strategy encompassing what, and I would agree with your priorities 100%,

00:12:40.660 and I would wager this audience is in agreement with you as well.

00:12:46.180 I think that's terrific.

00:12:49.080 I'd really like to follow up on a lot of this and talk about it,

00:12:53.400 and I hope that the folks you were talking to last week in D.C. are listening very, very carefully

00:13:00.000 once again to you here on The Great America Show.

00:13:03.520 We'll be back with Devin Nunes in just one moment.

00:13:12.100 We're back now talking with Devin Nunes, former chairman of the House Intelligence Committee,

00:13:18.060 a great American now running the Trump Media and Technology Group.

00:13:24.340 And again, it's just great to have you with us, Devin.

00:13:26.400 And let's follow up on what you were saying, because what you were saying makes so much sense.

00:13:33.480 But there is, after all, a fellow by the name of Kevin McCarthy, who's Speaker of the House.

00:13:38.580 And I can't judge whether he would be either intelligent or talented enough to listen to you and your reasoning.

00:13:48.060 What has been the response of leadership in the House?

00:13:53.300 Yeah, you know, look, when I was there last week, it's, you know, Kevin McCarthy is, you know, a friend of mine.

00:14:02.920 And he's been, you know, he's one of the best in terms of knowing all the districts, all the members.

00:14:11.800 And he's, you know, he's not afraid to fight.

00:14:16.720 And I think he's also smart enough to know, you know, the fights that he can win and the fights that he cannot.

00:14:23.180 And I think the challenge he has right now, he's trying to listen to everybody.

00:14:26.300 And this is all the Republican leadership, from Steve Scalise to Tom Emmer and all of them.

00:14:31.760 You know, and I worked with these guys, you know, many, many years, you know, two decades.

00:14:36.140 Worked with a lot of these guys.

00:14:37.620 And, you know, here's the challenge.

00:14:40.900 And that was kind of what I was laying out in the last, the last segment.

00:14:47.140 You have to, because, you know, you have the power of propaganda that's going to hurt you with the fake news.

00:14:53.680 That's run by the Democrats.

00:14:55.800 So once you know that, then, you know, you can't take a scattered kind of a shotgun approach to how you message on this.

00:15:03.460 So what are your priorities?

00:15:06.200 And you've got to agree on those priorities.

00:15:09.260 And what I sensed, what the Republican leadership was dealing with, is you had a lot of members who were saying, and look, and I'm not, I don't, you know, I have no, like we talked about, there's so many issues you and I can go through that are problems in our government.

00:15:26.560 And, I mean, look, they corrupted the National Archives, for God's sake, right?

00:15:31.220 So you could have one member saying, I want to shut off funding for the National Archives until they figure out the corruption at the National Archives.

00:15:37.880 That's a legitimate request.

00:15:40.280 It's real.

00:15:41.180 The archives have been corrupted, Lou.

00:15:43.180 But, you know, you start talking about archives and, you know, the guy that doesn't pay attention all of a sudden, you know, his little shop that's on the edge of Yosemite National Park, you know, areas that I used to represent.

00:15:55.840 You know, he's like, I don't know what the archives are, and I'm now losing thousands of dollars a day.

00:16:00.340 What the hell are you guys doing?

00:16:01.700 You can't fall into that trap.

00:16:02.960 But now the guy at the National Park understands that Mar-a-Lago got raided.

00:16:09.640 You have multiple investigations.

00:16:11.280 You've got poor people like Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro that are going to be put in jail and convicted for not disclosing things to Congress that you have the Biden administration and their whole host of issues.

00:16:22.480 Those things the American people understand.

00:16:25.380 And, of course, the flow across the border, that's starting to, you know, even resonate in places like New York City.

00:16:33.460 Look, another issue that I heard last week that's totally legitimate.

00:16:40.600 Zelensky was at the U.N. last week.

00:16:43.580 Zelensky, the president of Ukraine.

00:16:46.660 He was in the U.S. Capitol.

00:16:50.460 And, you know, he wants money.

00:16:54.180 And, look, you know, I'm not a fan of Putin.

00:16:58.180 I think Putin's a bad guy.

00:16:59.780 I've covered and worked those issues for many, many years, as you know.

00:17:06.660 But, you know what?

00:17:08.400 When Zelensky shows up at the U.N. in the camouflage, okay, all right, whatever, you can dress however the hell you want at the U.N.

00:17:15.620 Do what you want.

00:17:17.660 But, and this is what I was hearing from people.

00:17:21.600 And people are like, look, this acting is getting a little old, right?

00:17:25.500 Like, okay, look, we understood when you were under attack and you're in the camouflage for the first, you know, month or two.

00:17:30.220 And you're, we get all that.

00:17:31.880 But when you couple that with, and I'm going to paraphrase what he said, but, you know, he made some references to, at the United Nations, to wanting to, you know, to this big problem with global warming and climate change.

00:17:48.420 And a lot of Republican members, and, you know, myself as just a citizen now, what did he say?

00:17:55.960 What?

00:17:56.880 You just lost, like, maybe, we don't know the real numbers because we don't get the real numbers, but 50,000 casualties this year?

00:18:05.660 And you're going to the United Nations in your camouflage and you're talking about global warming?

00:18:11.020 You know, something doesn't make sense.

00:18:13.420 And I think a lot of Republicans, including Speaker McCarthy, are like, yeah, you're not going to come and give that speech to, you know, to the U.S. Congress.

00:18:20.220 So, look, I'm bringing this up because it's a legitimate issue for people not to want to fund Ukraine or to raise questions about what's happening in Ukraine.

00:18:31.260 But does it rise to the level of corruption at the DOJ and corruption at the border?

00:18:38.360 It does not.

00:18:39.920 It's all important.

00:18:40.820 But if you start spreading out your message too far and wide, and we can go on and on, but I just mentioned, you know, it's a big issue.

00:18:49.620 People care about it, and I get it.

00:18:51.640 But it's not going to move the ball at the end of the day when you've got to stay tight and focused and really deliver to the American people.

00:19:00.820 Why are you not doing a fully funded budget for a year?

00:19:04.560 And why are you doing this – you know, why are you just doing, like, short CRs, which is called the continuing resolution?

00:19:11.460 It's because these problems have not been dealt with.

00:19:15.100 Solve the DOJ problem and solve the border problem, then we can deal with the other stuff.

00:19:19.620 And I think they can – you know, look, it's not easy to win these messaging wars, Lou.

00:19:23.920 It's not easy.

00:19:24.840 I mean, I feel for these guys.

00:19:26.120 I mean, that's why I left, to go start True Social because we were all being censored.

00:19:30.120 And, you know, as I realized – I think I mentioned this last time I was on your show – when I did the Russia hoax investigation, I was amazed that by – remember, that started in 2017.

00:19:43.380 And, you know, we did all the investigation.

00:19:46.320 We had – you know, we sent it all over to the DOJ.

00:19:49.080 We had the Durham investigation.

00:19:50.340 We had the IG Horowitz.

00:19:51.980 We had all these reports that had come out.

00:19:53.580 It was clear that the Russia deal was a hoax.

00:19:57.600 But when you looked at the polling after 2020, half of Americans still believed that Donald Trump and the Republicans, including in the House, like guys like me, had a Russia problem, that we were – that we were somehow had done something nefarious with Russia.

00:20:14.160 Now, you see that, and you know that the power of propaganda that the left has today is more powerful than it's ever been.

00:20:22.840 And you see that every day with their control, what comes out daily on their control over the social media companies.

00:20:29.100 And you're reaching now into the – if you will, the holistic number one message.

00:20:36.400 And that, in my judgment, is the American people have to understand that the Biden regime, the Obama-Biden-Marxist-Dem regime that has controlled now three different presidencies, Obama, two terms, and Biden, hopefully one term.

00:21:02.520 It is incredible that people don't understand we're not only talking about the problems, but these problems that you've enunciated, whether it is the corruption, whether it is the border, whether it is the budget, whether it is intelligence, whether it is foreign policy, whether it extends to China as well as to Russia, whether it extends to Iran as well as this hemisphere and what we've permitted.

00:21:31.180 We are talking about all of this – going back to your point – the inception of all of this is Obama.

00:21:40.280 And the reason there is such wild, I think, crazed protection of a puppet president is because it reaches to the deep state broadly and specifically back to the Obama presidency, just as you've outlined.

00:21:59.680 We're going to continue with Devin Nunes.

00:22:29.660 You're talking about the policies that you're talking about the policies that you're talking about and the architecture of corruption that the Republican Party faces and the Marxist party and the Obama, if you will, the Obama legacy that is, in fact, animating the Biden puppet presidency.

00:22:50.160 You're thinking.

00:22:51.160 Well, one of the things that you said in the last segment that I thought that maybe I would just add to – and I hate to say this, but I think it's important to actually lay it all out there so that people understand.

00:23:08.160 You made the comment that they've controlled Obama, you know, eight years of Obama, four years of Biden.

00:23:17.020 But I would actually add to that, sadly, that I think we – the American people need to understand.

00:23:25.160 They also controlled most of the Trump administration, not Donald Trump, not, you know, not, you know, the good guys that were many good people that served for the Trump administration.

00:23:35.060 But let's not forget that – and this has yet to be dealt with.

00:23:40.520 It goes back to my issue of why the DOJ corruption is so important.

00:23:44.740 And we – I had to sit and investigate the Ukraine impeachment hoax.

00:23:50.840 I was the lead Republican on that ridiculous investigation, okay?

00:23:54.940 Right.

00:23:55.800 And the FBI and the DOJ were sitting on documents about exactly what Donald Trump had every right to do about the corruption in Ukraine.

00:24:08.160 I had – all my time in Congress, every time I went to Ukraine, every time I met with Ukrainians, the State Department, I'm talking to the Bush administration, to the Obama administration, you would always get briefed and they would say, now, you know, congressmen, you know that Ukraine has a lot of corruption here. 0.76

00:24:27.080 You need to make sure that you talk about good governance, having a good justice system, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, because they've got a lot of corruption in Ukraine, okay?

00:24:35.480 So that was the position of our government.

00:24:38.280 It's been that way for a very, very long time.

00:24:40.860 So Donald Trump has a phone call.

00:24:42.640 He brings up that there's a corruption problem.

00:24:44.840 Never mind that even the fake news had reported on the Biden problems back as early as 2015.

00:24:51.920 It was not, you know, Lou Dobbs at Fox Business that had reported on it.

00:24:57.160 It was the fake news, Lou, that had reported on the Biden corruption back in 15 and 16.

00:25:01.920 So then you fast forward when, you know, so you've got Rudy Giuliani raises this.

00:25:07.940 He was very out there in the news.

00:25:09.340 A good friend of yours and ours, John Solomon, you know, he had to go start his own news organization because where he was at, he was reporting on the Ukraine corruption and the ties to Biden.

00:25:23.820 And we went through this whole, you know, impeachment hoax, and it was the Ukraine impeachment hoax, and it was a hoax, knowing that the FBI, so this is why I say they controlled, the deep state controlled the narrative.

00:25:38.860 They sat on information where they knew that Hunter and Joe Biden had many problems in Ukraine.

00:25:45.420 So what Trump did was exactly what he was elected to do as the president of the United States, which is to support the position of both Republicans and Democrats that Ukraine has a corruption problem, and our own government not only sat on those documents, even under subpoena, where they should have provided all that information to me and my committee back at the time when we were running that investigation. 0.99

00:26:09.520 And these bastards hid that. 0.94

00:26:12.400 So how do I, you know, I hate to say this, but, you know, Donald Trump and all of us, I mean, we didn't even realize that how deep the corruption was. 1.00

00:26:21.300 And we impeached President Trump over something that our own government knew was nonsense.

00:26:27.200 And which has been proved and demonstrated throughout as a result of some investigative reporting, some considerable number of whistleblowers in various levels, and the John Durham investigation, which is overall a disappointment, but which has within it elements of important truths that he did reveal.

00:26:52.620 The matter is to me, and I think you've raised just a really profound thought that should be in everyone's forefront of their thinking about all that has transpired from Obama forward to the present moment.

00:27:10.300 And that is, and that is, the deep state has been the constant current that runs through it all.

00:27:16.440 Our corrupt intelligence agencies, our corrupt Department of Justice, our corrupt, in many cases, judiciary, and particularly the D.C. judiciary, and I'm talking about from district courts to the appellate courts in D.C.

00:27:33.700 But the fact of the matter is, we witnessed over the course of that time, the efforts of the Marxist Dems to destroy the first political opponent in Donald Trump.

00:27:47.840 They did everything they could in 2015 and 16, and obviously so in 16, then throughout his presidency to overthrow him as a duly elected president.

00:27:59.700 And now, four indictments, I think, what is it, 90-some-odd charges, facing 700 years in prison if they were all to be a conviction.

00:28:14.380 I mean, this is sickening.

00:28:16.540 And if the Republicans don't have the sense to stand up and say, we're not talking just about the budget.

00:28:24.520 We're not talking just about the border.

00:28:26.780 We're not talking just about these issues with the intelligence division or the national debt.

00:28:34.960 We are talking about what the Marxist Dems, from the Obama presidency forward to this very moment, have caused.

00:28:45.020 They are the cause.

00:28:48.100 They're not working on problems.

00:28:50.620 They're creating problems.

00:28:51.760 And that should be the mantra of every Republican, just as you said.

00:28:56.200 Talk about messaging.

00:28:57.600 That's the fundamental message, it seems to me.

00:29:00.500 Your thoughts.

00:29:01.620 Yeah.

00:29:01.820 And the only thing I would add, Lou, is that just because, you know, the fake news loves to, and the Marxist Dems, as you say, you know, they love to, oh, deep state.

00:29:13.260 Oh, that's a conspiracy.

00:29:14.480 That's a conspiracy.

00:29:15.080 So let's just define, you know, what is the deep state, because I think a lot of people, you know, have different views of what that means.

00:29:23.080 What it really is, is the deep state is a cabal of left-wingers that originate with Obama that are either still in government, are out of government, maybe sitting on boards as, you know, getting big book contracts out on talk shows.

00:29:46.700 But they're still at the highest levels of the Biden administration within the DOJ, within the FBI, and many other government agencies.

00:29:56.200 So it's not a, it's not so much that there's just some, like, grand conspiracy where it's, you know, hundreds or thousands of people.

00:30:05.080 It's actually a very small group that is essentially, has been using the National Security Division and other areas of the justice system, the Department of Justice.

00:30:16.860 And they have, you know, systematically just taken over the government so much so that they've destroyed the justice system, and especially the Department of Justice.

00:30:26.760 But I think you're exactly right, Lou, that the judiciary branch, which really should stand as the backstop for a lot of this, has itself been corrupted also.

00:30:42.900 And I hate to say that, but look, you had a leak for the first time in history of the decision on Roe v. Wade that leaked out of the Supreme Court, and nothing was done about it.

00:31:03.220 You had Supreme Court justices that were then targeted by extremists, and nothing was done about it.

00:31:11.440 And so, you know, I just think that you're, it's just important to get out there that this isn't some deep state conspiracy of thousands and thousands of people.

00:31:21.260 No, it is Obama and a small group of people that have managed to then, that are sitting in government or just outside of government.

00:31:29.020 They control the fake news narratives and the propaganda, and, you know, it seems like the judges and DOJ, they kind of get the message.

00:31:38.060 And, you know, you see it time and time again, and how many times have we seen where, you know, judges are, you know, making these, these, I mean, let's just, we haven't talked about January 6th.

00:31:50.060 You know, there's a situation where, so you're telling me that, like, and I'm not, I have no issue, Lou, with the people who broke windows, who, who attacked police officers, who tried to organize getting into the Capitol.

00:32:05.820 I have no problem with those people, I have no problem with them, you know, being indicted.

00:32:12.580 I have no problem with them, you know, facing consequences for, you know, destruction of federal property, which is against the law.

00:32:18.560 But where I have a problem is, is that why are these people, number one, a lot of them have been held with no hearings, okay, and they've been tried to force to plead guilty to something.

00:32:31.280 You've got thousands of these people, many of whom were not even in the building that day.

00:32:36.400 And then look at the difference in, these people are getting sentenced to, you know, 10 years, five years, 20 years.

00:32:45.260 Okay, well, we have people that commit murder, but don't, that don't serve that much time.

00:32:52.080 Right.

00:32:52.580 So that's the other challenge here that's got to be unwound that all that goes back to my point of the two tier justice system.

00:33:00.480 And we can give many other examples, but it's scary that you're seeing, and people are cheering, and cheering these justices on.

00:33:13.040 I mean, in some cases, you've had judges that give a longer sentence than what the corrupt DOJ even requested.

00:33:20.560 Right. Absolutely.

00:33:22.700 And what we've seen in this is it's where both the Department of Justice, the corrupt DOJ, the FBI, and the corrupt judiciary come together.

00:33:32.280 We have seen annually, I would say, well, I'll just say safely, the vast majority of the cases involve overcharging by the Department of Justice,

00:33:45.040 and doing so drooling as they punished these people who became really political prisoners of the Marxist left in the D.C. gulag.

00:33:56.440 And they not only overcharged them, then the corrupt judiciary in Washington, D.C., imagine this, in the nation's capital, rife with corruption in our courts,

00:34:08.020 they over-sentenced these people.

00:34:10.280 I mean, this is madness.

00:34:12.360 And where has the Republican Party been?

00:34:15.000 I have to tell you, where has Lou Dobbs been?

00:34:18.040 I'm telling you, I've talked about this.

00:34:19.900 Nothing frustrates me or embarrasses me more than the fact that I can't come up with a solution on what to do to save these people.

00:34:28.740 And I don't know anyone who has to this point.

00:34:32.300 But this report—

00:34:33.100 Lou, the other—

00:34:33.760 Go ahead.

00:34:34.720 I was just going to say the other thing to point out is that, you know, if it's now against the law to—you know, and you're going to be facing 10, 15, 20-year sentences for stopping a proceeding, okay?

00:34:53.200 Well, I served in Congress, like, you know, for nearly two decades.

00:35:01.940 Do you know how many times people would come into committee hearing rooms and stop a proceeding? 0.99

00:35:07.480 I mean, I remember several times—I can't even tell you how many times I was there, but these idiots would come into the Capitol. 0.96

00:35:13.920 They'd chain themselves together, and they'd all sit on the floor of the rotunda, and you'd have to evacuate all the—all the tourists would have to leave. 0.99

00:35:21.720 And the Capitol Police would sit there for hours to remove them, and I don't think any of those people got any more than a slap on the wrist, if anything at all.

00:35:33.700 So, you know, that's just—and then you've got—if you just juxtapose, which the left hates to do this in the fake news, but just months before that, you had the White House—you know,

00:35:48.020 there were buildings that were caught on fire right across the street.

00:35:52.640 You had people trying to storm the White House when Donald Trump was in there.

00:35:59.180 Nothing happened to those people.

00:36:01.280 You also had federal courthouses.

00:36:02.740 I think there's federal courts that are still being attacked today in parts of this country that are, you know, being graffitied.

00:36:10.580 You can't go into them because they're too dangerous.

00:36:12.380 But, you know, you had the whole BLM riots that went on, you know, all summer, even though, you know, it was—remember that?

00:36:19.380 It was COVID.

00:36:20.280 Everybody had to be in the house except for all these people that could go out and destroy property, catch things on fire, break windows, attack police.

00:36:28.080 Nothing happened to them.

00:36:29.160 And, look, I know you've talked about this.

00:36:30.980 I've talked to it, but it just—it can't be said enough that why are these people that were there for January 6th, why are so many of them being prosecuted versus just—I think if they just would have said,

00:36:45.880 look, we can't have this, people that broke the windows, we need everybody's help.

00:36:50.500 This is—look at this suspect, suspect one, suspect two, suspect three.

00:36:54.960 This guy had a hammer.

00:36:56.120 This guy, this guy, we have him on video breaking it.

00:36:58.360 Why didn't they release all that?

00:36:59.980 I think if they would have put out, like, the 30, 40, 50 people that broke windows or punched a cop, I don't think, Lou, you or I would have had a problem with that,

00:37:09.900 with those people being arrested, being prosecuted, with the normal types of sentences.

00:37:15.760 But you have—I mean, this is—I think they're like—I mean, they brag about, like, there are over 1,000 people now that have been indicted.

00:37:23.460 And more to come.

00:37:24.400 It's just outrageous.

00:37:25.980 And more to come, right.

00:37:27.420 And, you know, going back to Speaker McCarthy, why in the world he chose to side with Nancy Pelosi on the video

00:37:37.880 and handed it out to, I believe it was a half dozen forms of outlets, including Tucker Carlson and a couple of other people.

00:37:48.060 But here we are.

00:37:51.480 It is September 2023.

00:37:55.020 And those videos are still not in the hands of—and it should, it seems to me, be universally in the hands of everyone who is a journalist in this country.

00:38:05.360 Every attorney in this country.

00:38:07.400 The Republican Party should be demanding that Speaker McCarthy give those up and to make them available, because it's history.

00:38:15.780 And history is now being censored, not only by Nancy Pelosi and the Marxist Dems, but by Speaker McCarthy and the Republican leadership of the House of Representatives. 0.58

00:38:25.660 And that is a shame that I don't think is worth bearing.

00:38:30.440 Your thoughts?

00:38:31.240 Well, look, I agree.

00:38:32.620 I mean, I think that they need to release the tapes.

00:38:35.160 Look, there could be some that, you know, and I've advocated for the release of the tapes.

00:38:40.920 Look, they're trying to gauge the security of the House versus, you know, do they need to release everything?

00:38:47.340 Maybe not.

00:38:48.700 But I think there's just going to be continued pressure that I think eventually they're going to have to release the tapes.

00:38:54.420 I mean, I agree with you.

00:38:56.940 Working with Speaker McCarthy for many years, you know, this is not somebody who's operating in a nefarious manner.

00:39:02.580 I think it's trying to hurt everybody that, like we talked about in the earlier segments, if you're so shotgunned approach to, you know, everybody has their own issue that they're concerned about.

00:39:13.500 And this is why I continue to say focus on one thing, one or two things at a time.

00:39:19.440 The most important issues at the highest level is going to be the way to get a message through and to look and to be able to, you know, look, I'm with you, Lou.

00:39:28.620 I don't know that the Republicans, I don't know that there's a there's a fix for this.

00:39:31.960 I mean, these guys are so the Biden administration, DOJ are so corrupt.

00:39:37.220 That it could be that the only fix is going to be is to have a landslide election and get Donald Trump back into office, send more Republicans into the House of Representatives and take the United States back.

00:39:51.440 I mean, because I mean, that may be the only fix.

00:39:54.120 I mean, there's there's there's probably there's limited things that Republicans can do right now.

00:39:59.400 But I think that showing the corruption, getting more subpoenas out, going after all of this cabal at DOJ and FBI, including I think, look, this is this may you know, you might find this a little surprising, you know, coming from me.

00:40:16.900 But, you know, everybody talks about, you know, Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, impeachment, you know, inquire and all that.

00:40:23.700 Look, I get it.

00:40:26.040 I think they're the most corrupt political family in history.

00:40:29.600 I think that history will show that if DOJ ever does something.

00:40:33.320 But if you only focus on them, you have to ask the second the second layer of questions.

00:40:40.080 How did this happen?

00:40:41.800 And who are the people responsible for this?

00:40:43.460 Because DOJ and FBI knew in 2015 and 16 and 17 and 18, like we talked about, that the Bidens had this problem.

00:40:50.980 So who are the criminals here?

00:40:52.700 Yes, we know that the Bidens have a criminal problem.

00:40:56.000 But how about the people that covered it up?

00:40:58.460 And I've pushed, you know, Jim Jordan and Comer and these guys that are doing, you know, that are doing the Lord's work.

00:41:04.540 I've been there.

00:41:05.120 It's not it's not easy.

00:41:06.220 But but I think they have to to widen the net and the probe to focus on not just an impeachment inquiry of what Biden did wrong, but how did our own government allow this to happen for so long?

00:41:19.260 And the people who covered it up are just as guilty as what the Biden's of the Biden corruption.

00:41:26.840 They're just as guilty.

00:41:27.820 There's no there's no difference.

00:41:29.120 They were in on it.

00:41:30.560 Absolutely.

00:41:31.560 And again, you and I agree wholeheartedly that this is a time not to stop with questions and demand answers, because you don't solve this by just incarcerating a corrupt crime family.

00:41:51.100 You don't stop this by just simply taking a few leaders of the Department of Justice that is corrupt pervasively or the FBI.

00:42:01.180 There has to be an accounting here and a full on investigation.

00:42:05.160 And the reason I'm begging for McCarthy to release those videos in one sign of one sweep of his pen, he can release those videos and honor the public's right to know.

00:42:19.020 And fundamental to all of this is the American public's traditional right to know.

00:42:25.240 And whenever government doesn't respect that right is when the nation takes a step backward and directly toward totalitarianism and authoritarianism, which is what this administration and the Obama administration before it have done.

00:42:41.600 Do we agree on that?

00:42:42.980 Yeah, look, I think we're in the only thing that I would add, you know, to this kind of litany of issues that's that's out there is to really the Republicans really just need to, you know, they have the one power that they do have is that subpoena power.

00:43:05.560 And they have they have the power to subpoena and they they just need to to widen that net.

00:43:12.060 They need more documents, more bank records, just like they've they've they've they've got to the point of they've got the goods on on the Biden.

00:43:20.700 Now they need to focus not so much on on that's going to take care of itself, but all the other people that are involved, which, as I've told you during this interview, it's not as many as you may think.

00:43:33.140 I mean, I think I think the net is maybe two to three dozen people.

00:43:36.200 I mean, you may find a few more, but the work they do today is critically important to make criminal referrals and that sort of thing, because, look, what would ironically glue here?

00:43:47.080 It's funny that the that the left, what they accuse you of doing, they're actually doing the irony that they use to RICO, the RICO statutes to go after Donald Trump.

00:43:58.000 That's what's happened here, that this Biden mess and Team Obama, they're the ones who have been running a criminal enterprise,

00:44:05.080 essentially defrauding the United States government for what now is nearly is nearly a decade.

00:44:13.120 Right. Well, it goes back, certainly to 2000, 2008, as the incipient point, I believe, with the Obama administration,

00:44:23.140 with his first secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, who followed her, his vice president throughout.

00:44:32.920 I mean, and it is so pervasive, as you've illuminated here today, that the Republicans are going to have to determine how much energy and conviction and power they really have.

00:44:47.240 Because if they try to do one thing at a time, they will lose.

00:44:51.940 I think they have to take it on holistically and comprehensively.

00:44:57.320 And most importantly for the American people, to your point about messaging, they've got to be comprehensible about what they're doing.

00:45:03.920 It has to be simultaneously and concurrently a an outreach to the American people about what has befallen their society, their democracy and this great republic,

00:45:17.700 because it is evil and it is it will be almost impossible to reverse if it doesn't happen now.

00:45:27.280 Well, we always give our guests the last word, and I always appreciate your last thoughts and concluding thoughts as I do everything you've said here today.

00:45:36.600 You've been absolutely brilliant as always, and we thank you so much for that.

00:45:40.440 Devin, your concluding thoughts.

00:45:42.560 Well, Lou, I just want to obviously thank you for having me on and thank you for for your post on True Social, since that's what I run.

00:45:50.920 And we're very appreciative to have you on True Social.

00:45:53.840 And look, I just leave you with this, I think the final thoughts.

00:45:57.980 I'm not sure that Biden's going to be their nominee.

00:46:02.740 I think that I think you see you're seeing Team Obama and the fake news start to move.

00:46:09.600 They're starting to do a little bit more reporting on the Biden problems.

00:46:13.380 You've seen that over the last few weeks.

00:46:16.240 And it's showing in the polling.

00:46:18.020 Biden continues to drop.

00:46:19.440 And that's what happens when the propaganda.

00:46:21.220 And I think that Team Obama have been unwilling to use the propaganda arm that they control because they know it splashes back on them.

00:46:30.420 But Biden's kind of left them no choice because I think they were trying to engineer a sweetheart deal for Hunter and then have Biden just kind of kind of step away.

00:46:40.360 But that didn't happen.

00:46:42.360 And so there's, you know, there's going to be, I think, a lot more surprises here to come in terms of the Team Obama versus versus Biden and his family and what the Democrats and the fake news are going to do about this.

00:47:02.020 Because if they can't get Biden out of the race, you know, they've got a big problem.

00:47:07.380 And so I look, my money is on that, that they're going to one way or another, they're going to get him out of the race. 0.89

00:47:14.860 Question is, you know, now you're going to ask me who's going to run.

00:47:16.900 You know, I don't know.

00:47:17.700 You've got, you know, Newsom, the governor of California.

00:47:20.580 He's out there running the shadow campaign and probably many others.

00:47:24.380 But that's kind of the last thought I'd leave you with.

00:47:29.340 Well, we thank you very much for it.

00:47:31.020 And it's an interesting thought indeed.

00:47:33.140 And as they say, a likely one.

00:47:35.900 Devin Nunes, we thank you for being with us here on The Great American Show.

00:47:39.140 God bless you.

00:47:40.320 Always a pleasure.

00:47:41.020 Thank you.

00:47:41.920 Thanks to Devin Nunes.

00:47:43.180 And thanks, everybody, for being with us tomorrow.

00:47:45.360 We're joined by a former FBI agent and whistleblower, Steve Friend.

00:47:49.920 Please be with us for that tomorrow and be with us each and every weekday.

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00:48:05.800 God bless you.

00:48:06.880 And may God bless and save America.

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