The Great America Show - AMAZING COINCIDENCE! JUAN MERCHAN IS THE JUDGE IN TRUMP HUSH MONEY CASE, THE TRUMP ORG. CASE AND STEVE BANNON’S BORDER WALL CASE

00:00:00.000 Hello everybody, I'm Lou Dobbs and welcome to the Great America Show. Great to have you with us.

00:00:05.600 Crazy times, right? President Biden in Ireland for what appears to be a taxpayer-funded

00:00:11.300 nostalgia trip. Ireland, the home of his ancestors, Jill Biden not with Joe, his sister Valerie and

00:00:18.780 famous son Hunter are. It seems to me that we ought to be able to demand reparations from Ireland

00:00:25.240 of some sort from the old country for what the old sod has done to our country. It's in the trillions

00:00:31.340 of dollars, I tell you. Security breach on the president's visit. Travel documents found lying

00:00:37.320 about on a Belfast street they were. Sensitive stuff, too. Travel documents, police names, jobs of

00:00:44.360 officials. A rough itinerary as well, but temporary wasn't on the itinerary. I couldn't resist that.

00:00:51.600 I shouldn't make fun of a security breach of any sort. Not with all of the security breaches and

00:00:57.740 leaks afflicting the Biden regime. They still don't know who or how someone leaked a bunch of top

00:01:05.100 secret documents from the Pentagon, leaked them to social media. But it's a big deal, revealing top

00:01:11.480 secret intelligence on Ukraine, China, spying on our allies, who knows what else. Other breaches include

00:01:18.740 those top secret documents, of course, taken by President Biden himself over his half century in

00:01:25.140 government, who then ordered a raid on President Trump's Mar-a-Lago home to take his documents from

00:01:32.540 four years as president. And now, according to the congressmen and the senators who've seen the so-called

00:01:38.720 top secret documents, none of them has anything to do with national security. In other words, not really

00:01:46.320 top secret documents, which means that it was all about politics and intimidation as played always

00:01:54.520 by the Marxist Dems once again. None of it working on President Trump, however. If anything, the

00:02:00.860 Marxist Dems' political persecution of Trump is helping the presumptive 2024 GOP presidential nominee.

00:02:08.380 In the latest interactive polls survey, Trump wins over DeSantis by 41 percent in a seven-candidate

00:02:16.960 field. 41 percent. Just 40 percent, however, in a two-way race. The latest morning consult poll

00:02:25.700 has Trump ahead of DeSantis by only 33 points, but I think that's what you and I would still call a

00:02:32.260 commanding lead for Mr. Trump. Trump with a surprise this week, filing a half-billion-dollar

00:02:38.620 lawsuit against his former attorney and fixer Michael Cohen for breaking the attorney-client

00:02:44.660 privilege for breaking his confidentiality agreement. A $500 million lawsuit against Michael Cohen. The man

00:02:53.200 attorney Robert Costello once called a pathological liar in front of a grand jury. Our guest is that

00:03:01.020 attorney, New York attorney Robert Costello, who is representing, among others, former Mayor Rudy

00:03:06.660 Giuliani, to take up the Marxist Dems' legal broadside against President Trump, and of course,

00:03:13.580 those special counsel investigations. Bob, great to have you back with us here on The Great America

00:03:18.820 Show. Any reaction to the breaking news that President Trump has sued his former attorney, Michael Cohen?

00:03:25.800 Well, frankly, I'm surprised at this filing. I certainly had no idea this was coming. I understand

00:03:32.940 that it's been filed down in Florida. Until I read it, I really don't have any reaction to it because I

00:03:39.960 don't know what they're alleging. So, you know, I'd just be talking in a vacuum here. It apparently goes

00:03:45.280 to breaches of the attorney-client privilege confidentiality agreements that alleged were,

00:03:51.940 you know, breached by Cohen. Some people might look at it as simple retaliation. There's nothing

00:03:59.520 simple about $500 million, however. You mentioned retaliation. You want to talk about retaliation.

00:04:05.240 Take a look at the cover of Michael Cohen's newest book. It's called, and I said this to the DA's office

00:04:13.080 because they seemed not to know. I said, the title of the book is Revenge. I said, you can't make this up.

00:04:20.720 I said, well, that should cause you guys to pause just that, that this guy writes a book called

00:04:28.420 Revenge because that's what he's on. He's on a revenge tour. Well, revenge, vindictiveness,

00:04:35.420 whatever you would like to call it. The Manhattan DA, Alvin Bragg is, I mean, he has lumped together

00:04:42.040 quite a lawsuit and now a rejected request for a temporary restraining order. I just would like to

00:04:49.040 understand how a man has the temerity to talk about being harassed by the federal government

00:04:58.860 in the form of the Judiciary Committee when he has been part of a Marxist, dim political persecution

00:05:07.720 that's now in its eighth year. I mean, that's beyond ironic, isn't it?

00:05:11.400 It is, especially because, you know, you would think that he would have pause when he's bringing

00:05:19.560 an unprecedented criminal action against a former president of the United States, that it would

00:05:25.780 only do so if he was on absolutely sure-footed legal and factual grounds. Clearly, that's not

00:05:33.100 the case here. Factually, he's relying upon Michael Cohen, who's an admitted perjurer, and that doesn't

00:05:40.880 include all of the lies that he told us and the fact that he told us the exact opposite story to the

00:05:47.140 story he's told the grand jury about Donald Trump's involvement in the payment of the $130,000

00:05:53.380 to Stormy Daniels. But not only is he on shaky factual grounds with, as I said, a convicted perjurer,

00:06:00.860 he's on shaky legal grounds because this indictment has all sorts of flaws in it that are seen by

00:06:09.460 both sides. I'm not just talking about Republican zealots pointing things out. I'm talking about

00:06:14.660 people on CNN and MSNBC questioning the legality of Mr. Brad's moves. There's problems with the

00:06:21.900 statute of limitations. There's problems with the allegation that these misdemeanors have been

00:06:27.540 turned into felonies. There's going to be problems about the venue because it's going to be very

00:06:35.240 difficult for Donald Trump to get a fair trial in Manhattan, which is entirely the reason why they're

00:06:40.220 bringing it in Manhattan. There's problems about the selection of the judge in this case because it's

00:06:46.820 hardly a coincidence that this judge was the judge on not just the Trump organization case, but I haven't seen any

00:06:54.600 of the media report that he's also the judge on the Steve Bannon case, and now he's the judge on the

00:07:00.380 Donald Trump case. That's just rather extraordinary. It's like getting hit by lightning three times while

00:07:06.040 standing in the same place. So there's lots of questions, legal and factual, that have to do with

00:07:11.580 this indictment. You know, I don't take a side here because I'm not representing Donald Trump or the

00:07:17.260 Trump organizations. I know the left-wing media likes to paint me as a Trump ally. I guess that's

00:07:24.100 because, you know, I represent Rudy Giuliani and I have represented Steve Bannon, but that doesn't

00:07:30.200 necessarily make me a Trump ally. I'm somebody who was telling the truth and brought that truth

00:07:35.400 about Michael Cohn's difficulty telling the truth to both sides. I gave that information to the Trump

00:07:42.660 lawyer, Ms. Necklace, and I gave it to the Manhattan District Attorney's Office, and then I gave the

00:07:47.760 Manhattan District Attorney's Office the courtesy of an hour and 20-minute Zoom meeting with them on

00:07:53.800 the Friday before I testified. So they knew exactly what exculpatory information I was going to tell the

00:08:02.000 grand jury on Monday, what was expected. But on Monday, when I went into the grand jury, they started

00:08:07.840 asking me questions that would not have elicited that exculpatory information. Once I realized that,

00:08:14.560 I realized that I had to expand my answers to include the exculpatory information because they

00:08:19.980 certainly weren't going to elicit it with the questions they were bringing up. The other real

00:08:25.300 problem that I noticed was I gave them 321 emails as well as at least four different, and I'm talking

00:08:34.940 about 25 to 35-page typewritten memos of the meetings that I had with Michael Cohn initially

00:08:43.760 at the Regency Hotel, and then thereafter the meeting that I had down in the U.S. Attorney's

00:08:48.940 Office for the Southern District of New York, where we were called because Michael Cohn had alleged to

00:08:56.220 the Southern District of New York that Rudy Giuliani and I had conspired to obstruct justice by tampering

00:09:03.060 with a witness, namely Michael Cohn. It's the same silly story that he's telling about this dangling

00:09:11.060 pardons in order to keep him quiet, whereas the proof that we had, those emails that I talked about and

00:09:17.820 those memoranda showed definitively that it was Michael Cohn who was pushing for me to ask Rudy Giuliani

00:09:26.140 about a party. And by the way, he says that that happened right off the bat at the Regency Hotel.

00:09:32.840 Rudy Giuliani was not representing the president at that point in time. He only began representing

00:09:38.360 Donald Trump about four days later. So there's just no substance to Michael Cohn's allegations,

00:09:44.000 but that's why the U.S. Attorney's Office made him waive the attorney-client privilege.

00:09:48.680 And once they heard from me and they saw the evidence, they decided that Michael Cohn was not

00:09:54.740 worthy of belief. I was, and that's why they never did any more business with Michael Cohn.

00:09:59.420 But the DA's office apparently hasn't learned that lesson. They should have. They should have

00:10:04.460 consulted with the Southern District of New York, but they apparently did not because they didn't

00:10:09.700 even know that Michael Cohn had waived the attorney-client privilege. And then, if you remember,

00:10:14.960 Michael Cohn went on TV right after I went to the grand jury, he went on MSNBC and he claimed to

00:10:22.180 Ari Melbert that he did not waive the attorney-client privilege, which, of course, about an hour later,

00:10:28.460 I held up on TV and showed his signature on the Tucker Carlson show. So Michael Cohn continues to lie,

00:10:36.100 yet the DA's office continues to rely upon him. And that's really foolish. I don't know why they're

00:10:41.580 doing it. There's no explanation other than politics, because this certainly is not what

00:10:47.660 normal lawyers would do in a situation like this. I wonder how many normal lawyers are in the

00:10:54.160 Manhattan DA's office. They just had their request for a temporary restraining order against Congressman

00:11:03.640 Jordan and his committee and had it rejected out of hand, with the clear implication that under most

00:11:11.960 circumstances, that TRO would at least require some hearing and some time for the judge to go through

00:11:18.440 out of hand. She simply said no. Your interpretation?

00:11:25.680 Well, I don't think it's quite that simple. Although she did turn down the TRO,

00:11:30.120 I believe she set a date for a hearing on a preliminary injunction, so that she could issue

00:11:37.720 an injunction based upon her findings at that hearing. But it's certainly not a good sign for

00:11:43.460 the Manhattan DA's office or the Gibson-Dunn firm, which appears to be representing them,

00:11:50.340 I guess for free. I don't know. But the fact that you start off by losing your request for a

00:11:59.560 temporary restraining order is not a good sign. But we'll have to see what happens at the hearing,

00:12:05.540 what facts are going to come out there. You know, we can't predict the future because we don't know

00:12:09.780 what the facts are. But we'll find out soon.

00:12:12.800 Absolutely. And we are talking with Robert Costello, a powerhouse New York attorney.

00:12:19.120 We are talking about his testimony before the grand jury. And we're going to talk when we continue

00:12:25.520 here in just one moment after these words from our sponsor about what made the grand jury decide

00:12:32.400 as it did. Again, with Robert Costello, we continue in one moment. Please stay with us.

00:12:38.840 We're back now talking with Robert Costello. Bob, I want to start with the grand jury,

00:12:44.460 which decided to go ahead and indict the president. Despite your powerful testimony before them,

00:12:50.820 pointing to the jury, all of the dissembling that he had done, the outright lies. You mentioned over

00:13:01.080 300 emails, which I'm grateful to you for sharing some of those with me. And I have to say, it's

00:13:09.680 mind-numbing to see the documentary evidence that you had with you to think that they could come to

00:13:16.480 a conclusion that he was in any way believable. What was your reaction to the jury's decision?

00:13:23.540 Well, listen, this wasn't my first rodeo with grand juries, but it was my first rodeo with a

00:13:30.600 state grand jury. And they were sitting there. We counted actually 21 people were present when I was

00:13:37.620 testifying, not 23. And all they need at the end of the day is a majority. They need 12 votes out of

00:13:45.460 23 to go ahead. And you know, the old saying that, you know, a grand jury would indict a ham

00:13:51.400 sandwich if the district attorney or the U.S. attorney recommends it. And that's exactly what

00:13:56.380 was to be expected here. Quite frankly, it was a long shot that they would do anything other than

00:14:02.720 what the DA intended from the beginning. But I thought that I was under an obligation to bring

00:14:08.460 the truth as I knew it to their attention. But I don't think all of my truth got to their

00:14:14.120 attention, which is the basis for another motion to dismiss the indictment, which I'll explain in a

00:14:19.500 minute. The grand jury sat there. When we had an issue, when the DA was putting into evidence six of

00:14:28.480 the 321 emails, I said to him in front of a court reporter and the grand jurors are seated in front

00:14:35.460 of me, like in a classroom, and I'm seated at the what would be the teacher's desk. And the assistant

00:14:41.420 DA who's asking the questions is to my life, my left. I said, are you going to put in the other 315

00:14:47.900 emails? And he said, no. And I said, why not? And this is all in front of the grand jury and the

00:14:54.800 court reporter. And he said, because they contain inadmissible evidence. I said, like what? And he

00:15:01.140 said, hearsay. I said, really? In that case, you'll be interested in the following two sentences,

00:15:07.600 that these documents were made in the regular course of business. And it was the regular course

00:15:12.120 of business to make and maintain documents such as these out or about the dates indicated on the

00:15:16.860 documents. That is the way that we introduce documents like this all the time into evidence.

00:15:22.160 It turns those documents into business records. And I then turned to him and I said, and you know,

00:15:29.800 because these are now business records, you know, and I know, but the grand jurors don't know

00:15:34.940 that business records are an exception to the hearsay rule. And therefore, your basis for denying these

00:15:41.740 documents to the grand jurors doesn't have any basis. I think you should turn them over now. And then I

00:15:48.120 turned to the grand jury and I said, and you people should demand that they turn over the, not only

00:15:52.740 those documents, but the other memos that I gave to both Trump's lawyers and to the Manhattan DA's

00:15:58.180 office. You people should be entitled to read all of that. So you really understand who the real

00:16:04.860 Michael Cohen is and how he acts on a day-to-day basis when he thinks no one is looking and no one

00:16:10.160 will ever see these conversations. I said, that's what you should be looking at. Now, I'm pretty sure

00:16:17.320 that they did not turn that material over to the grand jury because they announced that they wouldn't.

00:16:23.700 And if they did not do that, they have therefore failed to turn exculpatory information over to the

00:16:30.960 grand jury. And that's a basis in and of itself to dismiss the indictment. So it was really a foolish

00:16:38.000 move on their part, but I think that's what they did. I can't be assured that that's what they did

00:16:42.980 because I don't know what happened after I walked out of the grand jury room, but it's pretty likely

00:16:47.980 that's the case. It's a brazen district attorney's office that ignores procedure, rules, and the law

00:16:56.540 all in one swoop. You mentioned 23 jurors. I don't think most people have no reason to...

00:17:03.920 There's 21 there. Yeah. 23, though, is the requirement for New York judges, for jurors

00:17:11.940 in New York State for a grand jury. And to have 23, as you said, that almost assures that that ham

00:17:20.540 sandwich will be indicted. It's onerous to begin with. Why do we tolerate that level of, well,

00:17:30.920 I would say vulnerability in the system in favor of the prosecutor?

00:17:36.760 The reality is that an indictment is just the charge. It's not supposed to have any more

00:17:44.060 significance than just being a charge to basically start off the criminal proceeding. However, the

00:17:51.060 media turns an indictment into a conviction immediately in the media. He's been charged with X,

00:17:58.100 Y, and Z, and therefore he must be guilty. I mean, that's the general impression. That's why people

00:18:02.780 try to avoid indictments. But really, the significance of an indictment legally is not

00:18:08.500 much. It's just like the filing of a complaint in a civil case. It's just the number of allegations.

00:18:15.000 It doesn't mean that they're true. It just means these are the issues that we require a judge and a jury

00:18:22.080 to decide. And once we decide those issues, we'll see whether the law then says that we have to pay

00:18:28.240 a penalty if it's a civil case, or we go to jail or face jail time if it's a criminal case. But really,

00:18:34.520 an indictment is not that significant of a step, except in the public eye. You know, obviously,

00:18:40.760 your reputation is immediately impacted. Right.

00:18:43.420 Yes. And because of the vast power of the corporate left-wing media, in collusion with

00:18:52.480 big law and lawfare, it's quite more than a passing piece of paper. Now, it is part of what has become

00:19:01.900 the censure culture, the cancel culture. It is an extraordinary—I would argue that it's an

00:19:09.280 extraordinarily powerful device now in the hands of an Alvin Bragg, for example, to bring. And I'd like

00:19:18.660 to go to that point now. And what happens next? We know that the motions for dismiss are going to be

00:19:25.080 coming. Everything you've told us about the process, just getting the indictment, there doesn't

00:19:31.000 seem to be any reason in the world why a judge who is fair and just would let this move on. But we're

00:19:39.220 talking about New York right now, and we're talking about an entirely different process, aren't we?

00:19:46.800 Apparently, we are. And it appears that the DA's office is relying on that, which is why

00:19:53.340 they probably suggested that this Trump indictment was a related case to the Trump Organization case—I

00:20:02.600 don't frankly think it is, except for the name Trump being in both places—in order to secure that same

00:20:09.880 judge. Obviously, they liked his rulings, and I didn't follow that Trump Organization case on a daily

00:20:15.800 basis, so I really am not familiar with his rulings. But it's clear that the DA likes him, and they like

00:20:22.440 his rulings, and they like his proclivities, and that's why they managed to get him assigned to this

00:20:28.840 particular case. If we had a fair and neutral arbiter, I think all of the talking heads on

00:20:38.120 both sides of the equation, on MSNBC, CNN, Fox, everybody seems to agree that this indictment is

00:20:47.320 riddled with holes and should be dismissed. Will it? Only time will tell. It really depends. You know,

00:20:54.040 perhaps this is a moment for a profile in courage with whoever the judge is that winds up with this

00:21:00.040 case, whether it's Judge Marchand, who currently has it, or if they replace him with somebody else,

00:21:05.240 because that judge will be criticized in the media if he dismisses the indictment. You can see the

00:21:11.480 headlines now. This is the person that let Trump get away with something. No, in fact, the truth of the

00:21:18.040 matter is, this is an indictment that never should have been brought, because it was legally and

00:21:23.160 factually deficient. And, you know, it's going to take the guy with some guts and courage to do that.

00:21:29.400 And I just, I don't know the judge in question. I've never appeared before him. I don't know much

00:21:34.520 about him. So I can't say whether he's that kind of a guy or not. I hope he is. I hope he can be fair.

00:21:40.680 Yeah, I would like that too. But he doesn't have a record that would suggest anything approaching

00:21:44.680 that level of integrity, frankly. And we know that we've got now another, President Trump will be in

00:21:51.640 New York taking a deposition, the state attorney general, Letitia James, and another case alleging

00:22:03.560 business fraud. Suddenly business fraud is the order of the day. Your reaction to that?

00:22:08.120 Well, it's interesting because I believe that's the same case in which last week,

00:22:15.320 Michael Cohen, the same Michael Cohen that's appearing everywhere, Michael Cohen refused to

00:22:21.240 participate in a deposition, claiming that the papers were defective. This barred attorney making

00:22:28.200 a claim that the papers were defective. So now they want to put Donald Trump to testify in a deposition

00:22:36.280 before Michael Cohen testifies. Well, I'm pretty sure that you're going to find that Trump's lawyers

00:22:41.720 will make a motion to stay those proceedings because of the indictment in the criminal case,

00:22:48.360 which obviously affects everything. And certainly to stay President Trump's deposition until after

00:22:57.640 Michael Cohen's deposition. And Michael Cohen's deposition may be very interesting in light of the

00:23:02.840 fact that his credibility has been challenged and they will undoubtedly find out at the deposition

00:23:10.040 what he testified to in the grand jury. I'm sure those subject areas will be covered.

00:23:15.240 So you can see that one case impacts the other. Right.

00:23:17.960 We're talking with Robert Costello. Please stay with us. We're coming right back after this brief

00:23:22.920 message from our sponsors. We're back now talking with Robert Costello. Bob, let's talk about the

00:23:32.200 New York Bar and what is going on. It looks like it's as politically corrupt as any jurisdiction in

00:23:40.440 the country. Your thoughts about the New York State Bar? Well, when you say the New York State Bar,

00:23:45.720 are you talking about the lawyers or are you talking about the judges? I'm talking about the judges.

00:23:50.440 I'm talking about the prosecutors. Well, you know, it's really impossible to make a generalization.

00:23:58.040 There are, I'm sure, some really excellent, fine judges, many of them. And there are probably a few

00:24:04.760 that aren't so fine. But I don't want to make a generalized remark because that would require that

00:24:11.080 I have knowledge of all of the different judges. And I don't. I mean, I've obviously dealt with quite a

00:24:15.640 number of them, but not everybody. So I think making a generalization would be a mistake.

00:24:21.240 There are. Unfortunately, though, in New York, judges are selected politically. You don't get

00:24:29.000 on the ballot. They're elected, but you don't get on the ballot without the approval of the local

00:24:33.320 Democratic Party. And I think that means if you're a normal human being, you have an allegiance to those

00:24:40.760 people who put you in that position to get you elected as a state Supreme Court judge or an

00:24:45.960 appellate division judge or even a court of appeals judge. It's human nature to recognize that you

00:24:52.360 owe something to the people who put you in that position. Does it influence your decision?

00:24:58.360 Sometimes it will. Hopefully most of the time it won't. But, you know, you have to judge that on

00:25:03.800 an individual basis and an individual case basis. And I think it's a mistake to make a generalized

00:25:09.960 proclamation. Well, you know, Alan Dershowitz, who I've known a very long time, made just such a

00:25:16.600 generalization saying it's impossible for for President Trump to get a fair trial in the state

00:25:23.320 of New York for those very reasons. And that's Dershowitz's view. I would like to join you in your

00:25:30.840 idealism. Frankly, I've seen nothing in the evidence that suggests that a fair trial is in

00:25:36.520 any way possible for anyone who does not have both the proper ideological and partisan

00:25:45.560 labels attached, as well as a pretty good, pretty good sized wallet as well. It's a very difficult

00:25:52.760 state to prevail, in my opinion. But that's my opinion. I do know after Dershowitz, I've had matters

00:25:58.040 with him. And I'd like to point out for the record that Alan lives in Massachusetts and not in New

00:26:04.200 York. Well, I think that is... And therefore, he can sling arrows from Massachusetts. But I live in New

00:26:12.520 York, and I practice in New York, and I don't want to make the same generalization. I hope I'm right.

00:26:19.720 Counselor, I think you're not only right, but I think you're a very courageous attorney,

00:26:26.600 as well as, well, quick to find, mitigating evidence. So I both salute you and thank you for

00:26:36.440 that. I want to turn to the President and what lies before him now. So many cases. We have the

00:26:46.120 special counsel cases on Mar-a-Lago on January 6th. We have Letitia James, her civil case. We have

00:26:54.040 Alvin Bragg, this prosecution. We have Fulton County in Georgia as well. These cases are,

00:27:02.040 it looks to me, to be not a thing of happenstance. They look as orchestrated as they can be

00:27:07.960 to the detriment of President Trump and to the benefit of the Marxist Dems political regime of

00:27:16.040 Biden and all in the Democrat Party. Your thoughts?

00:27:21.080 Well, I agree with you on that. I mean, if you look out there, you say to yourself,

00:27:24.760 isn't it interesting that not one of these criminal investigations is being brought by

00:27:31.720 a Republican district attorney or Republican U.S. attorney? So you have this consistent wave

00:27:38.600 of attacks. I have a client, Rudy Giuliani, who's involved in many of these same venues,

00:27:44.360 and I explained to him that the objective here, the punishment is the process. They don't have to

00:27:51.960 convict you of anything. All they have to do is make allegations and cause you to be investigated and

00:27:59.080 cause you to spend a fortune on attorney's fees and run out the clock because they seem to have

00:28:04.760 unlimited resources. But these individuals do not have unlimited resources. So the process winds up

00:28:12.600 destroying your reputation. For example, Rudy Giuliani was investigated criminally by the Southern

00:28:18.200 District of New York for almost three years. I tried to nip that investigation in the bud the first

00:28:25.800 day I heard about it. We offered to go in and waive the Fifth Amendment and answer any questions that

00:28:32.440 they had. We were so confident Rudy Giuliani did nothing wrong that we said we'll waive the Fifth

00:28:36.920 Amendment and we'll come in and answer any question you have about any topic, one proviso. All you have

00:28:41.880 to do is tell us what the subject matter is because Rudy Giuliani is involved in about 10,000 different

00:28:48.120 things and he's not 29 years old anymore. So we just need a little advance notice to know what subject you

00:28:55.160 want to talk about. But we'll waive the Fifth Amendment. And I thought we could put that investigation

00:28:59.800 to bed right then and there. They refused to do that. This lingered on for three years and for three

00:29:05.400 years in the newspapers and on the media, it was said Rudy Giuliani is under criminal investigation

00:29:11.640 by the Southern District of New York, the same office he once led as the United States Attorney.

00:29:17.080 Ultimately, we wound up where we gave an interview. We did exactly what I promised to do three years before

00:29:23.880 and the U.S. Attorney's Office, after having reviewed 26 years worth of his electronic records,

00:29:30.520 couldn't find a single thing to charge him with. And they did the decent thing of making a public

00:29:36.520 statement, which they don't normally do, saying we've investigated and we're not bringing any charges

00:29:41.480 against them. Yet this man's reputation has been destroyed over that three-year time period.

00:29:46.600 The same thing is happening all over the country to anybody that was associated with Trump. They're all

00:29:51.880 we see. They're being investigated by disciplinary committees. Civil lawsuits are being brought.

00:29:57.480 How about this one? This civil lawsuit, one of the ones that's being brought against Giuliani,

00:30:01.960 is being brought by those two election workers, Ruby Freeman and her daughter,

00:30:06.760 from Fulton County, Georgia. And they're being represented by one of the major law firms in the

00:30:13.400 United States. How is that possible, that these two part-time workers can afford one of the most

00:30:19.880 expensive law firms in the United States, going after and raising everything possible in that

00:30:25.320 civil lawsuit? That's just an example. That's happening to Rudy Giuliani in that case.

00:30:30.040 Was that Perkins Coley?

00:30:32.680 No, no. No, Perkins Coley is not the firm in question.

00:30:37.480 All right.

00:30:38.360 I don't want to mention the firm because there's many, many nice people, good people there.

00:30:43.720 But I cannot explain how a firm of that magnitude and that expense can be represented. I'm sure it's

00:30:50.280 the only defamation case that firm has ever brought in their history. But they're doing it to get Rudy

00:30:56.280 Giuliani because Rudy Giuliani was Donald Trump's lawyer. And that's just unfortunate. That's using the

00:31:02.440 process as the punishment, trying to destroy these people, uh, financially and reputationally.

00:31:09.640 And that's what that's, if you look, that's what you see happening day in, day out.

00:31:14.680 I think it's a fair, I think it's fair to say that right now, uh, America, the American people,

00:31:21.880 American citizens, uh, working men and women, the middle class don't have any constitutional rights,

00:31:28.280 uh, that they can't, if they don't have the money to pay for a lawyer, if they don't have those

00:31:34.600 resources, uh, they might as well not have a constitution or, or law because lawfare is being

00:31:40.840 waged every day. Uh, and it will destroy this country. And my opinion, uh, sooner rather than

00:31:47.400 later, irrespective, irrespective of what other foreign, uh, enemies and domestic, uh,

00:31:54.440 ratchet up their attacks on our great Republic. I want to ask for your concluding thoughts on that.

00:32:01.640 Uh, if you would. Well, I think it's shame because if you, if you look, you will see that

00:32:08.280 everybody associated with Donald Trump, every lawyer, accountant, everybody is getting investigated.

00:32:14.680 People like Rudy Giuliani, for example, gets his license to practice law suspended in New York

00:32:21.720 for now two years without a hearing. Amazing. And you say to yourself, is this America?

00:32:28.680 I'm looking around for the country that I grew up in because I don't see that country these days.

00:32:34.120 I think that statement you made is fundamentally correct. It, they're abusing the legal system

00:32:40.200 to go after their enemies and that shouldn't be tolerated. And frankly, I don't understand the

00:32:45.480 Democrats doing that because sooner or later, they know that the tide will turn and the Republican

00:32:51.640 will be in power. And do they want the Republicans to do to them what they've done to the Republicans?

00:32:57.400 I don't think that's good for the country. It's certainly not. You can't have a conversation

00:33:01.400 these days. If you're a Democrat, you can't talk to a Republican. If you're a Republican,

00:33:05.880 you can't talk to a Democrat. And that's crazy. I mean, that didn't exist when I was growing up

00:33:11.240 and we could discuss issues and we could actually disagree with one another,

00:33:15.480 but we'd be reasonable and respectful of the other person's opinion. And once in a while,

00:33:20.920 they might actually convince you that they were right and you were wrong. But that doesn't seem

00:33:25.560 to exist anymore. Nobody wants to listen to the other side. That's unfortunate.

00:33:30.680 Could, could I impose on you for one, one other question? And that is about our law schools that

00:33:37.880 seem to have moved entirely to, to the left. They are Marxist. They have, and frankly, I was unaware

00:33:46.360 of this group of people until recently, but the National Lawyers Guild has shown up at now some

00:33:53.080 hundred of our law schools. They, and their origins were frankly communist and they're having a

00:34:01.800 significant impact. And many professors belong to those guilds in those universities. How, how concerned

00:34:09.240 should we be about what they represent and their influence on young lawyers coming out of our law

00:34:17.000 schools? Well, you should be very concerned about that because they're only hearing one side of the

00:34:23.240 equation at a time when their opinions are being formed, you know, as students. Now it's been a long

00:34:29.480 time since I've been in law school and when I was in law school, we didn't have organizations like

00:34:34.440 that proselytizing to the law students. And I think it's about time that they return to simply teaching

00:34:41.080 the law and keep their political philosophies out of the classrooms. Let people decide for themselves.

00:34:47.400 We're smart enough as a group of people, as American citizens to do that. We don't need somebody just

00:34:53.960 politicking in our face constantly. You know, when I was growing up, we used to call that

00:34:59.240 propaganda. And we used to see little videos about how the Russians were doing that. And we would

00:35:05.720 laugh at them. Look at these people being propagandized all the time. Well, that's happening

00:35:10.360 unfortunately in our school systems and it's, it has no place there. They should let young minds develop

00:35:17.800 just learning the law and forming their own opinions based upon their own eyes and ears. They don't have

00:35:24.440 to be told how to think. They can think for themselves and they should start doing it again.

00:35:29.080 And unfortunately, the process is being played out not only in law schools, but throughout higher

00:35:34.920 education and now our public schools as well. Robert Costello, you're a great American. We thank you for

00:35:41.720 spending some time with us. We appreciate your thoughts as always. God bless you and great talking with you.

00:35:48.200 Thank you, Lou. It's been my pleasure. Thanks to Robert Costello. Here tomorrow,

00:35:53.080 we'll be talking with Joe McBride, who represents a number of January six defendants about the Biden

00:35:59.320 regime's legal savagery against those political prisoners. So please be with us till then.

00:36:05.640 Thank you for listening. God bless you and God bless America.

The Great America Show - April 13, 2023

AMAZING COINCIDENCE! JUAN MERCHAN IS THE JUDGE IN TRUMP HUSH MONEY CASE, THE TRUMP ORG. CASE AND STEVE BANNON’S BORDER WALL CASE

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