The Great America Show - AMERICA AT THE CROSSROADS, END MASSIVE CORRUPTION OR LOSE THE REPUBLIC

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs, and welcome to The Great America Show. Great to have you with us.

00:00:05.920 And we're all about politics today. Political corruption and the Republican leadership,

00:00:12.080 the rhino left, and their agenda to get as close to the Democrat Party as possible,

00:00:18.040 and then abandon the working Americans and their families, our great middle class,

00:00:22.880 distance themselves from true border security, from controlled immigration into our nation,

00:00:28.880 not wide open borders that suit the corporatist media, the Business Roundtable, the Chamber of

00:00:34.540 Commerce, and Wall Street, all in league with the Marxist left, Dems, and their demand for amnesty,

00:00:41.300 wide open borders, and social programs in the billions for illegals, and the duplicity of 0.90

00:00:47.900 Republican leaders in the House and Senate. Their political corruption includes deceiving all voters

00:00:54.720 for Donald Trump, all voters who will vote Republican because they want this country fixed,

00:01:00.500 turned around, prosperity restored, and America first policies only in our foreign policy.

00:01:07.560 But you'll hear today the audio tape that proves House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy lied about his

00:01:14.480 support of President Trump, lied about January 6th and his alignment with the RINOs,

00:01:20.000 and the radical Dems who are still trying to impeach President Trump and destroy this country.

00:01:27.280 Today I'll have some special words for Kevin McCarthy and the Republican leaders who support him,

00:01:33.720 not only as Minority Leader, but for Speaker of the House if the GOP does succeed

00:01:38.980 in the November midterms with a wave election. Those Republicans on Capitol Hill,

00:01:45.140 who know full well that McCarthy is as phony as he needs to be in order to achieve his political

00:01:53.020 ambitions for himself. And I'll reserve a few thoughts for those who are accomplices and enablers

00:01:59.280 of McCarthyism. McCarthyism is what we call on this podcast, the practice of putting rhinos

00:02:06.520 in positions of GOP leadership. That's coming up here today.

00:02:11.560 And now we have with us Peter Swiser, intrepid and inspiring investigative reporter,

00:02:17.060 author of his most recent bestseller, Red Handed, the book that reveals the monies the Biden family

00:02:23.560 as an enterprise received from China. And he's also president of the Government Accountability

00:02:29.220 Institute, senior editor-at-large at Breitbart News, and one great American. Peter, great to have you

00:02:36.040 back with us. You've authored this new special report on corruption in particular at the Commerce

00:02:42.340 Department. Now, a lot of people are going to be surprised that you focused at least initially

00:02:48.420 on the Commerce Department. Why? Yeah, it's always great to be with you, Lou. Thanks so much for having

00:02:54.660 me. We want to look at commerce because honestly, it tends to be a dumping ground for political favors.

00:03:01.100 The Commerce Department, it's kind of sleepy. Very few people pay attention to it. But the fact is,

00:03:06.980 it has a lot of power in picking winners and losers in corporate America. And it also has a strong

00:03:13.660 influence over if we're going to put tariffs on foreign countries like China. A lot of the details

00:03:21.620 there are determined by the Commerce Department itself. And what we found, Lou, is that this agency

00:03:28.040 that was really set up to kind of protect American business, protect American workers, make us more

00:03:33.840 competitive around the world, make sure that, you know, trade agreements and rules are being enforced,

00:03:39.320 has really become the subject of an extensive lobbying effort that also includes efforts by Beijing

00:03:46.980 to curry favor with executives at that agency by giving sweetheart deals and forging commercial ties 0.59

00:03:55.460 with family members. And you, you talk about in this new report, you talk about elite capture.

00:04:02.340 You introduced millions of Americans to the term elite capture, which is a strategy by the,

00:04:10.600 particularly the Chinese, the communist Chinese, to basically buy out the souls of Americans and hold 1.00

00:04:21.680 them captive until they're needed. And they're needed frequently, aren't they?

00:04:26.500 Yeah, that's exactly right, Lou. I mean, you, you define it very clearly. And this is an overt

00:04:31.200 strategy. They started doing this first in New Zealand and Australia. They've been doing it in

00:04:37.340 the United States for quite a long time. And basically what they're looking for is a way to sort of

00:04:43.300 lobotomize America's political leadership. I mean, some people think our leaders are already

00:04:48.880 lobotomized literally, but the goal, the goal here is to, you know, find ways to help make American

00:04:56.800 politicians wealthy, make sure that they know that it's coming from the hand of Beijing. And they

00:05:02.580 usually do it by giving sweetheart deals to family members, people like Hunter Biden, but also people

00:05:08.640 like Mitch McConnell's family. And the idea is pretty genius. Once these political families start getting

00:05:15.060 wealthy and they know that it's coming from the government in China, they're going to start looking

00:05:20.380 the other way when China does certain things. What they're looking for are not robots, you know,

00:05:27.020 politicians that do exactly everything they want. They know that that makes those politicians not

00:05:33.060 viable politically. So the way it's defined, if you translate it from the Chinese, is they're looking

00:05:39.380 for big help with a little bad mouth. The little bad mouth is if you want to ding us on the Uyghurs, if you 0.95

00:05:46.100 want to talk about human rights, if you want to sort of vent your frustration about our trade policies,

00:05:51.120 that's fine. What they want is help on the big stuff, which is unfettered access to technology, to US

00:05:57.780 capital markets, and minimal restrictions on their ability to send subsidized goods to the United States. If you do

00:06:04.820 those things for them, they are happy to play ball and make you very wealthy, and that's indeed what

00:06:10.300 they've done. Well, amongst those people who are very wealthy to begin with, and I'm going to start,

00:06:17.220 and people may be surprised to hear me even say this, but Wilbur Ross, the Commerce Secretary under

00:06:23.720 President Trump, you raised some startling, I think is a fair word, connections and business dealings

00:06:32.980 that I don't think passed the smell test. I don't know whether they're illegal, frankly,

00:06:39.620 but they sure do look bad. Let's start with his shipping business.

00:06:45.600 Yeah, I mean, Wilbur Ross has a number of investments, but he's involved with two shipping

00:06:50.920 companies, and the co-owners of those shipping companies happen to be Chinese state-owned firms.

00:06:57.780 And so people would ask, well, why is this relevant? Well, it's relevant when President

00:07:02.800 Trump was in office. He did, I think, a lot of great work in trying to reorient our approach towards

00:07:10.380 China, recognizing their predatory practices in the area of economics, the military sphere, etc. 0.86

00:07:18.200 So part of his strategy was to erect tariffs. Those tariffs were enforced by the Commerce Department,

00:07:25.360 which was run by Wilbur Ross. If you go back and look what happened, the Commerce Department really

00:07:31.420 loosened those restrictions. They created exemptions. The exemptions included some of

00:07:37.520 Wilbur Ross's companies. He really gutted what President Trump was trying to do. That's not what you want

00:07:43.900 your own Commerce Secretary to do. And so the question becomes, is why was Wilbur Ross doing that? And I think

00:07:50.120 one of the reasons was he had these deep commercial ties with Beijing, and that influenced his decision-making

00:07:57.340 process. It's just another example, unfortunately, of how Wall Street and the swamp work to undermine

00:08:04.640 policies that are popular, that are put in place by an elected president, but they, behind the scenes,

00:08:11.620 work to weaken and gut those rules and regulations. 0.61

00:08:15.300 Now, President Trump lived up to his promise to the voters that he would curtail lobbyists. He was not

00:08:24.880 going to let there be that circular flow between Washington, D.C. and corporate America that is

00:08:32.500 so lucrative for congressmen, for their staff members, so forth, and others. But this goes on,

00:08:39.700 and meanwhile, the chairman, the chairman, the secretary of the Commerce Department retains

00:08:46.620 ownership in shipping companies that you say 62% of their business came from, guess where, South Korea,

00:08:58.320 even as, well, anyway, give us your explanation for that.

00:09:03.100 Yeah, I mean, this is another interesting case. So the shipping business,

00:09:06.540 a lot of its business is shipping steel goods, steel, from South Korea to the United States. And if

00:09:14.900 you remember, one of President Trump's initiatives to restart or encourage greater manufacturing in the

00:09:21.140 United States was to protect the American steel industry. And they were protecting them from China, 0.98

00:09:26.660 but also from South Korea. Well, what Wilbur Ross did was exempt certain South Korean steel companies

00:09:33.660 from U.S. tariffs. Those happened to be the steel companies that his shipping business was carrying

00:09:41.120 their goods to the United States. It's a massive conflict of interest. And to your point about

00:09:46.800 lobbying, I mean, this is the other problem. The Commerce Department became a focal point for

00:09:53.780 lobbying efforts by large American corporations. And here's the scary part, Lou. A lot of the companies

00:10:00.580 that were lobbying the Commerce Department were trying to limit these tariffs that President

00:10:06.540 Trump had put in place as it related to Asia in general. And these American companies were lobbying

00:10:13.220 to get those tariffs removed. A lot of lobbying wasn't done by Chinese or South Korean firms. It was done

00:10:19.520 by American firms doing their bidding for them. And that is part of the problem we face. A lot of our

00:10:25.940 largest corporations are not looking out for the interests of the country, American workers or the

00:10:31.160 United States. They're looking out for their own bottom line. And they're looking out for the interests

00:10:35.860 of their partners, which oftentimes reside in mainland China or somewhere else in Asia. It's an enormous

00:10:43.060 problem when you look at where corporate America is today. And to see also Jared Kushner's name

00:10:51.860 seeking partners to buy distressed industrial properties, Invesco that bought the W.L. Grayson,

00:11:01.780 W.L. Ross. I'm going back a few years. W.L. Ross and Company. It's this, you know, it is the nature of

00:11:13.200 business, networks and relationships. But there seems to be very little constraint. I'm surprised

00:11:21.720 at the constraints that were placed on board members, family members of the Trump family I'm

00:11:28.180 referring to, and what they were doing in business. It just seems to be outside, if you will, the bounds

00:11:37.880 of what President Trump stood for. And that troubles me deeply because I know that he really meant to

00:11:46.680 bring integrity to D.C. Yeah, I agree. And I mean, look, this is a classic example of, you know,

00:11:53.560 Donald Trump is a loyal guy and he's loyal to his family and he's loyal to his friends. And

00:11:58.520 unfortunately, sometimes people try to take advantage of that. And I think, you know, one of the big

00:12:04.860 mistakes, and I've said this before, one of the big mistakes he made, I think, was bringing his family

00:12:10.340 members into the White House, both his daughter and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, because you're not

00:12:17.380 going to get the sort of unfettered advice that you're going to get from somebody who's there that

00:12:23.440 shares your agenda. If they're a family member, I think they're going to have certain influence on

00:12:28.700 you that is really just not good. And I think that applied in this case, because it's pretty clear

00:12:34.120 there were certain key elements of Trump's agenda that were not shared by certain members of his

00:12:39.540 family, at least Jared Kushner and Ivanka. And that was a problem. And I think it was particularly

00:12:45.540 as a problem as it related to some of these foreign entities. Because let's remember, Jared

00:12:50.480 Kushner came in, his family has a lot of international business dealings, they own a lot of real estate,

00:12:56.700 and they have global interests. And to ask somebody like that to separate their interests while they're in

00:13:02.960 the White House, you need to be darn sure that they share your agenda. And unfortunately, in this case,

00:13:08.040 I don't think he did. And I don't think the president was well served by it.

00:13:12.640 Yeah. And, and we started there, because frankly, that is shocking to me. I've got high regard for

00:13:19.060 Wilbur Ross. And I think that perhaps he could have used better judgment. I'll put it that way.

00:13:25.600 Then you point out these qualified opportunity zones, QOZs. I love that acronym anyway. 1.00

00:13:32.160 And you mentioned Jared Kushner, you mentioned Chris Christie, Quicken Loans founder. But also,

00:13:39.040 we have former mayor, Pete Buttigieg, and now a cabinet member for President Biden, which I consider 0.97

00:13:49.020 to be one of the most corrupt administrations in history, not only inept, but crooked,

00:13:56.500 with projects in South Bend, which he was for the former mayor, opportunity zones, he helped identify 0.84

00:14:06.160 where those projects would be. And it's just so, again, circular, and raises huge questions.

00:14:15.860 It does. Yeah, Mayor Pete has positioned himself as sort of the fresh new face of politics. He's the

00:14:24.460 mayor of this, you know, neat industrial town in South Bend. I've been there. It's a nice place. But

00:14:30.000 the problem is, he was steering these opportunity zones, grants and loans to political patrons and

00:14:38.160 political supporters of his. If you're really, truly interested in revitalizing urban America,

00:14:44.440 which I think is a great idea, it's a good America first agenda, it should not be handled by

00:14:50.620 politicians like Pete Buttigieg, who are doling them out to his political sponsors. So it's another

00:14:56.600 example of kind of the ugly side of the Commerce Department. I think we need a Commerce Department 0.65

00:15:02.000 that does what its original mission was, which is to protect American business and encourage

00:15:08.280 their success overseas. But when you get these politicians that are using it to either line

00:15:14.120 their pockets, benefit their, you know, their families or friends or their political donors,

00:15:19.160 that is a disservice to the country. And it's frankly surprising to me. You know, we talked a

00:15:26.220 little bit about Jared Kushner, some of that got some reporting, no real reporting on Pete Buttigieg. And

00:15:33.120 the media has not reported on this. When they should have given all the press attention he's given,

00:15:38.800 and given the fact that he was the mayor of a relatively small town, it's not hard to find

00:15:44.620 this stuff out. Unfortunately, they chose not to because they apparently weren't that interested.

00:15:50.660 Not that interested. And we have the same example with the current Commerce Secretary,

00:15:56.060 Gino Raimondo's husband, Andrew Moffitt, an executive at the Chinese funded technology firm called Path

00:16:05.620 AI, subject to regulations by the department that his wife runs. There's that good old Commerce

00:16:14.760 Department right in the middle of it again. That's right, Lou. And what's really interesting

00:16:20.360 about this case is when the Secretary Raimondo came into office, the initial claims of the Biden

00:16:28.140 administration is they were going to, you know, sort of leave Trump's tariffs in place at some level

00:16:33.920 and use it as a bargaining chip. That's really been melted away. If you look at some of the

00:16:39.820 initiatives and things that she's done as Commerce Secretary, she significantly strengthened the hands

00:16:46.180 of Chinese firms like Huawei. This is the, you know, communications technology company that seven

00:16:52.900 governments, including the United States, Australia, the UK, etc., have all said is joined at the hip with

00:16:59.740 Chinese intelligence. She has done considerable benefit to them, loosening restrictions on some

00:17:06.400 of the things they can do in the United States. And the question is, why? Why is she doing this? And I

00:17:11.820 think part of the answer is her husband is involved at a very senior level and major stakeholder in this

00:17:19.500 Path AI company that works in the field of artificial intelligence, which is of extreme interest to the

00:17:25.500 Chinese government. And it is partly owned by Chinese state backed investment funds. So, you know, her net worth,

00:17:34.740 her family's net worth is directly tied to the Chinese government. And I don't think you can separate the two.

00:17:42.220 And my view, Lou, is if you look at the way that the Pentagon has requirements for people that are put in senior

00:17:49.500 positions in the Pentagon, you're not allowed to have major shareholdings in companies that do major

00:17:56.940 business with the Pentagon. There was a famous case a few years ago where a executive in the Bush, George W. Bush

00:18:05.460 administration was going to take a Pentagon position, but he had major shareholding in Coca-Cola, which is a major

00:18:13.260 contract. So he could not take the position. And yet you've got people at the Commerce Department who

00:18:19.380 have major stakes, major ties to the Chinese government. And yet there's no restrictions on them

00:18:25.820 being able to do that. So one of the reforms we should propose is we should not have people running

00:18:31.780 the Commerce Department that have financial ties to Beijing, period. That seems like just a starting

00:18:37.620 point on where we should be. I have to say that I think that your idea is exactly right.

00:18:43.900 And I think you and I both remember when it wouldn't have been necessary to legislate or regulate

00:18:49.480 any of these issues because one would expect of the of the so-called elites in both the Republican

00:18:57.340 parties that they would never dream of having that conflict of interest with a foreign power that is

00:19:04.200 the enemy, the principal enemy, I would argue, of the United States right this very moment.

00:19:11.920 It's it's it's it's appalling to see where we have descended.

00:19:16.820 No, you're right, Lou. And I mean, just look at this particular case involving Raimondo and her

00:19:21.220 husband, Andrew Moffitt. So he is a, you know, a executive, a stakeholder, a major owner of Path

00:19:29.520 AI, which is an artificial intelligence. President Xi of China has said that whoever wins the AI

00:19:37.140 technology race is going to seize the commanding heights in the technology war. That's what he 0.81

00:19:43.960 calls it with the United States. And so her husband runs an AI firm which takes a major investment from

00:19:50.400 the Chinese government. Where are they expecting that their technology and their intellectual property 0.93

00:19:55.500 is going to end up with that kind of arrangement? It's going to end up in Beijing. And yet she's

00:20:00.180 supposed to be helping American business be competitive around the world against China.

00:20:04.660 I mean, it's a massive, massive conflict of interest in a very important space. Artificial

00:20:10.280 intelligence, which is, Xi says, is so key to the future of this technological war we have going on.

00:20:15.820 I'm very suspicious of people who are ideologues, leftists, Marxists, who are also at the same time

00:20:26.580 agnostic on the issue of national security and national interest. This is deeply troubling. And

00:20:34.040 she is, she's the very, I think, among the foremost examples of what we're talking about. I want to talk

00:20:42.380 about, because no one has reported more than you on a Hunter Biden, the Hunter family, and their

00:20:49.580 corruption. I want to talk about that. And Joe Biden's compromise, and a number of other things.

00:20:58.740 Particularly, I want to talk about McCarthyism, as we call it here on the podcast. But I want to also

00:21:05.160 ask first about the laptop, and where you, well, where you, where you stand on the grand jury that's

00:21:14.400 been investigating Hunter Biden for four years now. Yeah, it started in 2018, in the summer of 2018,

00:21:22.740 about four or five months after my book, Secret Empires came out. I, one of the first interviews I

00:21:28.600 did was with you, Lou, where we exposed that the Bidens had these financial ties to China. The grand

00:21:34.920 jury met, and then COVID hit, and then essentially, grand juries, unless they were deemed to be high

00:21:41.220 priorities, apparently this wasn't, it basically, you know, shut down for COVID. It restarted a few

00:21:50.760 months ago. So they lost some time. And the concern here is not just the fact that we have the 2020

00:21:57.880 election, and a lot of voters weren't made aware of these facts. You also have the issue of statute of

00:22:03.680 limitations, because some of the stuff we're talking about that I believe involved criminal

00:22:08.000 violations, the statute of limitations are seven years, six years, eight years. So the grand jury,

00:22:14.940 I think, is moving pretty quickly. I think we're going to see indictments. I think one of the reasons

00:22:19.680 that the Team Biden has been more accessible, let's say, to the media on these topics, is they anticipate

00:22:28.120 there are going to probably be indictments, particularly on the tax evasion issues. But my

00:22:34.040 biggest concern, Lou, is that the grand jury is going to come back. They're going to recommend that

00:22:39.620 these things be investigated. And this Department of Justice, which let's remember, the leadership is

00:22:45.020 appointed by the suspect's father, Joe Biden, is basically going to come up with some kind of plea

00:22:51.520 deal. And maybe Hunter even goes to jail for a few months. But they desperately don't want there to

00:22:58.000 be an open trial where these facts are discussed and where the American people understand and learn

00:23:04.800 about the sordid way in which the Biden family operates. And the fact that Joe Biden was a

00:23:10.220 beneficiary, that he was meeting with Hunter Biden's clients, you know, the whole collection of

00:23:17.600 criminals and corrupt government officials and spies that the that the Biden family was taking

00:23:24.180 money from. I think that's their biggest concern. And my view is Hunter Biden is the symbol of the

00:23:31.580 larger problem. It doesn't begin with Hunter Biden. I really believe the American people need to know

00:23:37.540 all the facts here. And that's where it's going to really come down to these congressional committees.

00:23:42.420 When the new Congress convenes in January, if you, in fact, have a Republican majority,

00:23:48.420 which I think I'm pretty confident in saying we're going to, is the leadership going to really

00:23:52.820 aggressively pursue these issues with their subpoena power? Or are they just going to play

00:23:57.420 lip service to it? Well, I want to come back to that as well. But I want you've you've set this up.

00:24:03.420 So I want to deal with Kevin McCarthy and who is the minority leader, as you well know, of the of the

00:24:11.220 House. He is. He is has been caught lying about the president. By the way, my my questions and my

00:24:22.020 opposition to him holding any post has been because he is a rhino. He is far closer to a Democrat than 0.94

00:24:30.040 he is a Republican. I can't tell you the number of people. And I'm sure you've heard the same thing

00:24:34.800 who tell me what a nice guy he is. That is not an issue for me. What is an issue is he's a man who

00:24:43.340 too eagerly betrayed the president of the United States in a moment of crisis. And I'm talking about

00:24:49.300 January 6th. I'm also talking about the election in which he did nothing that highly questionable

00:24:56.560 election and election results in 2020. I want to play, if I may, from Rachel Maddow,

00:25:06.200 her reporting and her exclusive with an audio tape leaked to her by we do not know whom,

00:25:15.000 but leaked to her of the Kevin McCarthy talking with Liz Cheney. And here it is.

00:25:21.360 Liz, you on the phone? Yeah, I'm here. Thanks, Kevin. I guess there's a question. When we were

00:25:27.860 talking about the 25th Amendment resolution, and you asked what happens if it gets there after he's

00:25:34.740 gone, is there any chance, are you hearing, that he might resign? Is there any reason to think that

00:25:40.680 might happen? I've had a few discussions. My gut tells me no. I'm seriously thinking of having that

00:25:54.020 conversation with him tonight. I haven't talked to him in a couple of days. From what I know of him,

00:26:00.720 I mean, you guys all know him too. Do you think he'd ever back away? But what I think I'm going to do

00:26:06.940 is I'm going to call him. This is what I think. No one will pass the house. I think there's a chance

00:26:16.880 he'll pass the family even when he's gone. And I think there's a lot of different ramifications for

00:26:24.820 that. Now, I haven't had a discussion with the Dems that if he did resign, would it not happen? Now,

00:26:32.620 this is one personal fear I have. I do not want to get into any conversation about Penn's partying.

00:26:40.820 Again, I mean, the only discussion I would have with him is that I think this will pass,

00:26:46.380 and it would be my recommendation we should resign. I mean, that would be my take, but I don't think he

00:26:53.900 would take it, but I don't know. Your thoughts, Peter? Yeah, I mean, you know, I didn't think in a

00:27:03.240 leaked conversation between Liz Cheney and McCarthy that the more principled one would be Liz Cheney,

00:27:11.580 but that's essentially what you're getting. I mean, and you know, I think you're kind of the same way,

00:27:17.540 Lou. I mean, you know, somebody, you may disagree with them, and you may think they're wrong. You may

00:27:22.680 think they're unwise, but if they're open and candid to what their position is, you have more

00:27:27.840 respect for that than somebody who's telling some people some things and other people publicly

00:27:32.940 something else. So I think this is very damaging to McCarthy. I think there are other great leadership

00:27:39.360 options. I mean, I'm not great at sort of handicapping these things. I've always thought Jim

00:27:44.820 Jordan has a great fighting spirit. He's also smart. He's not an unguided missile, and he's

00:27:52.420 prepared to do the right thing. So hopefully the other people are going to step forward. But I think

00:27:56.340 this is severely damaging precisely because what people are looking for in leadership, this is part

00:28:02.340 of the attraction of Donald Trump, is people that are genuine. They don't tell you something

00:28:07.340 different privately than they tell you publicly. That's why I think this is so devastating

00:28:12.460 at this particular time. Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. And I also agree with you on Jim

00:28:19.260 Jordan. I'm told that he is reluctant ever to get involved in fundraising. He's desperately needed.

00:28:29.180 I hope that he will listen to people like you who are calling on him to take up this immense

00:28:37.420 responsibility because the Republican Party cannot afford any more rhinos. It's what I call McCarthyism.

00:28:45.420 Peter, what I call McCarthyism is Kevin McCarthy is a rhino through and through. And the Republicans seem

00:28:54.300 to be unable to break away from the Thunes, the Roy Blunts, the Barassos. And they must have 0.98

00:29:03.180 Mitch McConnell's who are, as you know, better than anyone. His family is an interesting one.

00:29:11.020 I'll put it that way. But his heart doesn't seem to be in the Republican Party.

00:29:16.540 And I just don't understand why the Republican Party continues to go this way, because in that

00:29:20.940 direction goes great corruption, great deception. And if they'll deceive you on one thing, they'll

00:29:26.380 deceive you on everything else, including corruption of all kinds. Do you agree?

00:29:34.060 Well, I do. And I mean, I would just sort of personalize it. I mean, you know, if you have

00:29:38.140 a daughter, one of the things you want to teach your daughter when they reach into adulthood is

00:29:42.940 guys are going to tell you all kinds of things. Don't believe what they're telling you. Look at what

00:29:48.220 they're actually doing. And that's what I think the real question is here for the part that I have

00:29:53.100 focused on Hunter Biden. Talk is cheap. Telling us you're going to investigate, you're going to

00:29:58.300 issue subpoenas. That's really, you know, cheap. The question is, are you actually going to do it?

00:30:03.660 And I think oftentimes conservatives settle too much for the sweet talk. They're not being wise in

00:30:10.460 what they're hearing from their political leaders. And when their political leaders tell them they're

00:30:15.100 committed to something, they believe them. And I'm not saying you want to be totally cynical,

00:30:20.540 but I think you want to be a realist. You know, what was Reagan's old saying about the Soviets?

00:30:25.260 Trust, but verify. You know, we cannot verify a lot of the things that we have been promised over

00:30:33.260 the last decade by a lot of this leadership. So why do you think, why do we think we can trust them

00:30:38.540 going forward? Exactly. And Mitch McConnell in a recent book being quoted as saying to the Democrats

00:30:51.580 get the SOB referring to President Trump and their efforts to impeach him on the basis of January 6th,

00:30:58.700 for crying out loud. I've got to say this right now to this audience. I don't want Kevin McCarthy

00:31:08.300 to be speaker. I don't want Mitch McConnell to be the majority leader in the Senate.

00:31:18.460 I think if they had one ounce of integrity or the people around them has one ounce of integrity,

00:31:24.380 based on what they have said, disloyal remarks about President Trump, the deceit, the duplicity,

00:31:30.220 and the lies that make up Republican leadership in both the Senate and the House.

00:31:34.780 I'm calling on Kevin McCarthy to resign right now. This is absolutely an affront to everything that

00:31:43.180 any leader in any House or either party should ever have committed. And to betray the President,

00:31:51.420 uh, and to betray his conference in this way, if the Republican conference does not demand his

00:31:57.900 resignation right now, I don't think they're worthy of anyone's vote in November. I really don't.

00:32:03.100 It is, this has reached a level that is absolutely appalling. Uh, your thoughts, Peter, I don't mean to

00:32:10.940 put you on the spot, but I am somewhat exercised about what we're witnessing here today.

00:32:15.820 No, I, I, I think a principal leadership is the key. I mean, if you have the facts on your side,

00:32:22.460 you have the truth on your side, uh, you have the ideas and the vision for the country that is the

00:32:27.660 winning vision. It all comes down to principal leadership. And let's remember Lou, uh, when

00:32:33.580 President Trump came into office in January of 2017, uh, we had Republican majorities right in the

00:32:39.980 House and the Senate. Uh, and, and, uh, a lot of the agenda stalled, not because of Democrats. I mean,

00:32:46.140 yeah, they did try to muck things up in the Senate as their want to do. It was because Republicans were,

00:32:51.580 were, were jiggy. Uh, they, they weren't, uh, willing to advance that agenda. So, uh, you know,

00:32:57.260 it's very fine for these people to point at the Democrats and, you know, throw up their hands in

00:33:01.900 frustration. Uh, but Mitch McConnell was leading the Senate, uh, when a lot of these issues came up.

00:33:07.100 And again, I would say with Mitch McConnell, uh, you know, be honest. If, if you have, uh,

00:33:12.780 principled opposition to president Trump and come out and say it, uh, like you should, uh,

00:33:18.940 don't say one thing in private and another thing in public and try to split the difference. That's

00:33:23.740 the sort of thing I think people, uh, resent and dislike the most. And it, it appears that we're

00:33:28.940 getting that from, uh, both the man who is going to be the leader in this Republican leader in the

00:33:33.820 Senate and the man who at least at this point, uh, was, was, uh, the trajectory was, would be the

00:33:39.820 leader in the house. And I will, uh, I've given you my definition of McCarthyism. That is the

00:33:45.900 tendency of the Republicans to always put rhinos in position of leadership instead of a strong, uh,

00:33:52.220 all I, I will even accept a centrist Republican leader, uh, as long as they put America first, uh,

00:33:59.820 in every way, uh, that's not going to happen. So I guess I better just stick with America first

00:34:05.180 conservatives. Uh, I, I just don't understand why, uh, the American people should be asked to vote

00:34:12.140 Republican. If the conference doesn't have the guts to remove, demand the removal of those who have

00:34:19.500 deceived them, the leader of their party, Donald J Trump, uh, and deceived all of us throughout their

00:34:27.980 tenure as leaders in the house and the Senate, it is appalling, excuse me. Uh, and it, it has to

00:34:35.020 change. I really don't think there'll be a way of election unless we see this happen because we know

00:34:41.580 that all those millions of votes will amount to nothing calling for change and a steadfast secure

00:34:48.220 border, uh, stopping illegal immigration, removing people who have entered here illegally now, uh, 0.63

00:34:55.180 because of the whim of a mad Marxist, uh, puppet by the name of Biden. If we don't fix this now,

00:35:02.700 and I mean, bring great care and an understanding of what is, uh, page the patriotic thing to do in

00:35:10.540 our leadership, but we're lost. And these two men, McConnell and McCarthy are a huge part of the

00:35:18.460 problem. They are in no way a solution to anything. I'm going to give you the last word. You've been

00:35:25.820 kind to, uh, to stay with us a little longer than we intended. Uh, Peter, I just, uh, I, I can't wait

00:35:32.860 to see the book. I can't wait to see your further reporting. And this is astounding, astounding

00:35:38.620 reporting and, uh, our, our gratitude. Well, thank you, Lou, as always. Uh, no, I just, I think we're

00:35:44.940 at an incredible important juncture in the country today. Um, and that is, are we going to continue

00:35:51.260 doing what we're doing, which is leading us down this path, uh, where, uh, our country is damaged,

00:35:57.740 uh, where the American people have lost faith in their institutions, or are we going to demand

00:36:02.860 accountability from our political class that includes Republicans, Democrats, moderates,

00:36:08.780 even conservatives. Um, we need to hold our leaders in account. Uh, and that means shining

00:36:15.340 the light. That means expressing our views. And that means having a clear yardstick of what we expect

00:36:21.980 from our leaders. And I think gone are the days Lou where, you know, the Democrats are in power and

00:36:27.500 they're not doing well. So people are automatically going to vote Republican. Uh, that's not the day that

00:36:33.260 we live in anymore. What's going to happen in the present is if the Republicans don't present

00:36:38.380 principle leadership, uh, with a real agenda, uh, those people aren't going to vote Republican.

00:36:43.500 They're just going to stay home. Uh, and the Democrats are going to retain power. So it's not

00:36:48.060 about party. It's about principle and it's about holding people account. That's what your entire

00:36:53.420 journalistic career has been about Lou. That's what I'm trying to do. Uh, and we're going to continue to

00:36:58.220 do that. Amen, brother Peter. Well said as always. And, uh, I thank you for spending part of your day

00:37:06.380 with us and sharing with our audience. You're reporting, uh, powerful, powerful reporting that

00:37:12.620 every American needs to know. Uh, we appreciate it. God bless you, Peter. Peter Schweitzer, a great

00:37:19.900 American indeed. And before we go today, I'd like to share with you an important story that's being

00:37:26.140 heard at the U S Supreme court today. It's about a Washington state high school, assistant football

00:37:32.860 coach who prayed at midfield at games for years. He was suddenly let go because students started

00:37:39.820 praying with him. That was almost seven years ago. And finally, the Supreme court is hearing his case

00:37:47.580 on freedom of religion to take this long. And my opinion on a case involving a citizen's fundamental

00:37:54.620 constitutional right is outrageous and unacceptable. The hearing starts today. The case is

00:38:02.460 Kennedy versus Bremerton school district and watch if you will, justice, Amy Barrett. She's not only 0.98

00:38:09.740 wobbly on our bill of rights, it seems, but also fearfully ambivalent when she should be powerfully

00:38:15.900 certain of citizens and our rights, at least. So it seems to me, I really want to be wrong about

00:38:24.220 justice Barrett tomorrow. Nothing wobbly about our guest ever. Our guest is a strong defender of America

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The Great America Show - April 25, 2022

AMERICA AT THE CROSSROADS, END MASSIVE CORRUPTION OR LOSE THE REPUBLIC

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