The Great America Show - March 14, 2023


AMERICA IS A FULL FLEDGED SURVEILLANCE STATE SAYS FORMER NSA INTELLIGENCE ANALYST AND WHISTLEBLOWER RUSS TICE

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Lou Dobbs John Fawcett
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Donald Trump Russ Tice Joe Biden Barack Obama Ron Paul Mike McClure Michael General Hayden Hillary Clinton Mike Pompeo Mike Pence Putin Crossfire Hurricane Tucker Carlson Chuck Schumer Ron DeSantis Mickey Mouse Derek Maltz Fort Meade Bill Barr W. Bush and 6 more
EVERY SINGLE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY HAS KNOWN THE ORIGINS OF COVID FOR ALMOST 3 YEARS AND COVERED IT UP TO MANIPULATE AN ELECTION IN MEXICO, BIDEN IS KNOWN AS THE “MIGRANT PRESIDENT” AND ILLEGAL MIGRANTS HAVE BEEN POURING INTO THE USA BY THE MILLIONS

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Former U.S. Navy Intelligence Analyst Russ Tice joins Lou Dobbs on the Great America Show to talk about his career in intelligence, his experience as a whistleblower, and his views on the surveillance state that America has undoubtedly become.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show. I'm Lou Dobbs, and delighted you're with us.
00:00:06.080 One thing we can all agree on is Joe Biden has made a mess of this economy in two long years.
00:00:12.960 Even the hard left in this country is tiring of pretending that Biden is really, truly the President of the United States.
00:00:21.640 He's not, and no one man in charge could have messed the country up this much, not even Biden.
00:00:28.520 No, America's so messed up, it has to be the work of some kind of committee.
00:00:35.000 Maybe a dark, secret cabal of crazed Marxists who pull all the strings of our puppet President.
00:00:42.960 Biden with another mental moment, by the way, another mental moment or two, when talking about the number of bank failures rising by the day.
00:00:52.520 Biden promises banks are safe. Taxpayers won't be covering bank losses.
00:00:59.180 And he blames Trump and says the Silicon Valley bank executive should be fired, by golly.
00:01:06.320 Someone might tell the President that the FDIC fired them a few days ago.
00:01:13.000 Speaking of a mess, Congressman Mike McCaul made a mess of his moment in the TV lights this past weekend,
00:01:19.980 declaring Mike Pence was right to condemn Trump for January 6th.
00:01:25.640 And McCaul says the January 6th videos will not show what he called tourism at the Capitol.
00:01:32.640 The problem is, that's exactly what those videos show.
00:01:36.800 Unfortunately, McCaul was so busy trying to tell people what he wanted them to see that he missed the video that already has made liars out of the Marxist Dems and the Liz Cheney Republicans.
00:01:49.920 And now, with the intelligence community and so many of the recent reports and central to the issues facing the nation,
00:01:57.800 whether Chinese spy balloons, the Nord Stream pipeline sabotage, the Russian war against Ukraine, or domestic surveillance of American citizens,
00:02:08.520 we thought now would be a good time to bring in people who've worked in intelligence gathering
00:02:14.640 and get their perspectives on the surveillance state that America has undoubtedly become.
00:02:21.140 Our guest today is former NSA intelligence analyst Russ Tice.
00:02:27.360 Russ worked as an analyst and operations officer for the Air Force,
00:02:32.980 the Navy Intelligence's Naval Security Group, Defense Intelligence Agency, and the National Security Agency.
00:02:40.960 Russ conducted many global intel missions, including those related to the Kosovo War,
00:02:47.820 the USS Cold Bombing, Afghanistan, and Operation Iraqi Freedom.
00:02:53.720 Russ Tice was also a whistleblower, speaking out publicly in 2005 about NSA retaliation against him
00:03:02.660 for revealing the agency's covert spying on American citizens.
00:03:07.780 We'll be talking about Russ's career, what he lived through as a whistleblower,
00:03:12.880 about his service to the nation, and today, his views on what is happening in this current era
00:03:19.160 of espionage and surveillance in America.
00:03:23.320 Russ, thanks for being our guest, for being here today.
00:03:26.560 What is your perspective of what's happening now in our country to our country?
00:03:31.800 Russ Tice, Well, the body politic.
00:03:34.480 Apparently, we've gotten to a point now where everything that's being done in this country
00:03:42.440 is being monitored by the intelligence services, in particular, a national security agency.
00:03:49.840 Anything that's done electronically in this country is collected.
00:03:52.660 Of course, word for word, not just metadata, word for word, all conversations on the telephone like we're having now,
00:04:02.340 all your digital communications, your texts, your emails, all transactions on your credit cards,
00:04:10.720 and any other financial means, your bank accounts, it's all being collected, every bit of it,
00:04:16.280 every citizen of the United States right now.
00:04:18.420 We are truly, you're saying, we are truly now the surveillance state.
00:04:25.300 We certainly are, full-fledged.
00:04:28.600 And when we talk about intelligence, every communication, in point of fact, being recorded by NSA,
00:04:38.680 how in the world are we to maintain any semblance of what are the basic American values,
00:04:46.100 that is the right of privacy, the right, of course, of the public to know what is happening and who is doing what to whom.
00:04:56.980 In the course of the past seven years, as you know, we've watched a president be the target of a years-long political persecution
00:05:06.680 by the very people who are supposed to be surveilling our enemies who are supposed to be stopping espionage and defending the republic.
00:05:18.700 It now appears that the spears are pointed, the federal spears are pointed at the everyday American citizen.
00:05:28.620 Well, they have been for quite some time.
00:05:32.540 And as far as our former president, I made mention when he first became president that this man had no idea what he was up against.
00:05:40.340 The cess swamp that is Washington, D.C., realized that this man could not be controlled,
00:05:45.540 and he was not going to kowtow to their whims like I do believe Mr. Obama did.
00:05:51.980 So they were against him, and they had the knives out from the very beginning with Mr. Trump.
00:05:58.200 Well, it was the intelligence community of Barack Obama that were working against President Trump.
00:06:06.880 There was no secret about that, in point of fact.
00:06:10.380 And Crossfire Hurricane, the Russian collusion, the attempt by the Justice Department, the FBI,
00:06:17.720 elements of the intelligence community, to frame Donald Trump are a matter now of historical fact.
00:06:25.520 And now the American public may not know, but all of the information is there for them to educate themselves.
00:06:31.980 Your thoughts about where we are now?
00:06:35.120 We're approaching the reauthorization of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the FISA Surveillance Act.
00:06:44.760 And we're going to require a reauthorization of Section 702, which is the basis for all of this wiretap, or at least much of it, that goes on in this country.
00:07:02.060 What are your thoughts about that impending vote?
00:07:06.940 Well, under the W. Bush administration, NSA totally ignored the FISA regulations illegally and unconstitutionally
00:07:16.940 and started off on their campaign with the collecting metadata.
00:07:23.380 So then we see abuse after abuse, and then they say they're going to come out with a new ability to control this,
00:07:31.920 and then they're going to, now we're going to go to the FISA court, now we find out the FISA court has been ignored again, or they've been lied to.
00:07:38.720 The interesting thing about the FISA court is they have no means of pushback.
00:07:42.040 They have to take whatever the intelligence community tells them as gospel and trust that they're honorable people.
00:07:50.200 Unfortunately, these are not honorable people anymore.
00:07:52.540 So the entire system has been basically jumped to the point where there is no oversight anymore.
00:08:05.160 And we have a system where Congress itself can possibly be blackmailed by, and the former president, by the way,
00:08:14.260 because in 2004, NSA started collecting all of, targeting all of Barack Obama's and a whole lot of other important folks' communications.
00:08:25.380 So, you know, Barack Obama at first said he was going to clean up the intelligence community,
00:08:30.600 and to be honest, I was kind of for Mr. Obama, even though I'm basically a conservative, you know, with that promise.
00:08:39.660 Of course, once he got in there, he just doubled down on the intelligence collection, and I believe he was compromised.
00:08:47.000 Now, you're making that very clear, implying certainly now saying it straight out.
00:08:54.180 You think he was blackmailed.
00:08:56.700 Correct.
00:08:58.140 And on what do you base that?
00:09:02.160 Well, the fact that they said he was going to clean up the community, he did not.
00:09:08.160 And then, you know, things like when they had government lockdowns, the intelligence community was not affected by any of that.
00:09:17.480 The intelligence community and NSA has been swimming in money since 9-11.
00:09:22.660 I mean swimming in it.
00:09:24.140 Whatever they want, it goes right through Congress, and there's no opposition.
00:09:29.780 So you've got to wonder if no one is throwing up a red flag and saying, you know, what's going on here, and everyone just kowtows that something is going on here.
00:09:45.060 And I believe that the NSA is the lifeblood of the deep state, and this is a bipartisan thing.
00:09:53.920 And, you know, whether you're conservative or liberal or whatever, you know, this thing can be turned against anyone.
00:10:00.580 So this is not just a, oh, this is against Republicans or this is against this organization or that.
00:10:06.800 This is basically an internal cabal that is controlling our government.
00:10:15.060 The deep state, as we refer to it on this podcast, that is the permanent bureaucracy and the group of Marxist Dems who, with the deep state, are managing the federal government.
00:10:32.800 It's as if the presidency is a sidebar to the entire governance of the nation.
00:10:40.920 When you mention NSA, and we probably said NSA here more in the first few minutes of this podcast than most people have heard the reference in probably years.
00:10:55.840 NSA is just not an agency that people talk about.
00:11:00.040 It doesn't seem to make its way into the news.
00:11:02.680 As a matter of fact, reading a number of articles recently talking about 702s, the NSA wasn't even mentioned in the stories.
00:11:14.420 Why is that?
00:11:16.440 Well, you've got to wonder what kind of clause the deep state with NSA has within the press as well.
00:11:22.920 So they perniciously now control what's going on to the point where information is power, and the top of the heap as far as information is NSA, and they try to keep a very low profile.
00:11:40.060 So then they have these little campaigns of positive press, or they just try to pretend like they don't exist.
00:11:48.600 As a matter of fact, way back when, when I first started at NSA or in the business, the moniker was NSA meant no such agency.
00:12:01.660 And things, of course, have gotten a little, you know, people kind of, you know, they hear NSA and they go, oh, I kind of heard of them.
00:12:08.680 They're like, you know, they collect the information.
00:12:13.320 Well, yeah, they do, and they're collecting it onto you, the American citizen, illegally and unconstitutionally.
00:12:19.480 The American people are being told by their elected representatives in the House, the Senate, and the Gang of Eight.
00:12:26.680 I want to talk with you about the Gang of Eight situation here as we discuss this further.
00:12:32.620 But the idea that it's metadata, that there is this vast, overarching collection of data, but they don't get down into the detail or the minutiae of single words or sentences spoken by an American citizen, because that would be unlawful.
00:12:52.880 Is that the reality as you understand it to be?
00:12:56.440 These are semantics that are talking.
00:12:58.340 Here's what's happening.
00:13:00.560 The information is being collected and then stored.
00:13:03.640 Now, could every communication in this country be listened to by a human, you know, NSA analyst with the earphones on it?
00:13:11.600 Well, of course not.
00:13:12.420 That's not capable.
00:13:13.500 But what happens is they have mechanized the system that it goes through all sorts of filters.
00:13:20.300 First of all, all the information is stored at this huge facility in Bluffdale, Utah.
00:13:25.680 This humongous data system as far as a memory collection system that they put out there.
00:13:34.920 A giant black cube out of the middle of Utah.
00:13:41.300 Well, it's more expansive than just a cube, and it has the ability to expand if wanted.
00:13:48.180 But there's no way that that system, that facility, was there just for metadata.
00:13:54.440 Metadata you could put into a building the size of, I don't know, the Trump building or less.
00:14:01.480 But so this thing is designed to collect everything.
00:14:06.320 So basically what they're saying, their semantics and their little wiggle is that they don't consider anything a collected or surveillance until they have someone who is listening to it and actively working that information.
00:14:22.840 So they're playing a little game with us.
00:14:26.380 Well, it's a game, but it's a deadly game in point of fact, because we have seen this country change markedly since September 11th.
00:14:35.840 And part of that reason is the upsurge in the activities of our intelligence agencies.
00:14:46.100 We talk about 17 agencies, 18 agencies.
00:14:50.100 And Russ, recently we learned that the Department of Homeland Security has an intelligence organization within it.
00:14:58.900 We found out that the Energy Department has an intelligence agency within it, from which we are learning that they decided to pronounce Wuhan as the Wuhan laboratory as the source of what most of us speculated at least was the source, and that is the Wuhan virology lab.
00:15:21.080 So how many intelligence agencies, do you have any idea yourself of how many intelligence agencies are operating?
00:15:28.900 Well, technically, I think they say there's 16, but think about it.
00:15:34.060 Now we're sharing all this information is being tapped into or being allowed to tap into by NSA, by the post office, by Homeland Security, by the IRS, by all these organizations are using NSA's collection databases to go after people.
00:15:58.040 And obviously what we're seeing is for political reasons and also to go after what was a current president, now a former president of the United States.
00:16:09.840 This is just all inclusive, and there's no bounds.
00:16:18.840 I mean, if they can do this to a president of the United States, what capability do us little people have against such a capability system?
00:16:28.000 Well, yeah, we have none is, I think, the correct answer.
00:16:32.520 And it's really very important that the House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate make a real determination on the reauthorization of 702 to be very careful what they do.
00:16:45.980 In 2000, I believe it was 2018, President Trump had argued against the reauthorization of the 702 section of the FISA Act and then suddenly changed his mind.
00:17:00.260 And I've never understood why he did.
00:17:03.820 Actually, I've never talked to him about it.
00:17:06.140 It was just so disappointing because I truly believe that a lot of pain and suffering, including some of that of the president, could have been at least mitigated if those 702s had not been reauthorized then.
00:17:21.480 So here we are six years, almost six years later, after 2018, about to do the same thing again.
00:17:29.820 The Republicans, many of them, are saying that they'll fight against it.
00:17:33.400 Your thoughts about whether they should, and your judgment, your assessment of how critical the 702 FISA section is to national security.
00:17:44.740 Well, I imagine as far as President Trump changing his mind about this, I imagine that these profligates in the intelligence community came to him and gave him some song and dance about, oh, if we don't do this, American citizens will be at the whim of terrorists all over the world, and now they'll be in our backyard.
00:18:09.300 So they basically did the old scare tactic, and Mr. Trump not being someone – I mean, obviously, he's from the business world, so he's a savvy guy, but he just did not understand at all what he was in for when he was dealing with this crowd.
00:18:27.220 So I think they gave him the song and dance, and he fell for it, and hence the extension thereof.
00:18:35.860 But I think he's smarter now.
00:18:38.240 I think the man has woken up to what's out there.
00:18:41.800 But as far as the 702, an extension or not, it doesn't matter whether they do.
00:18:46.720 NSA is going to do this regardless of what the law says because that is their history.
00:18:52.680 They've violated the law over and over and over again.
00:18:56.280 And then they just – they move back to another wall and say, okay, well, we won't go beyond this wall.
00:19:01.780 And then once you realize that they're lying on that one and you tear that wall down, they have another wall behind that one and another – just a labyrinth of walls.
00:19:10.940 So it's – until we hold them accountable.
00:19:16.160 Remember, these are criminal statutes that in violation, for instance, initially it was, I think, a $50,000 fine and five years in jail for one violation.
00:19:30.080 Now, who has been held accountable when General Michael Hayden started this off?
00:19:37.100 Michael General Hayden should be in jail right now for billions of violations of the law.
00:19:44.040 Except you see him on talk shows or he was one of the guys that signed the 51 intelligence professionals that signed the letter that said that the folks about –
00:20:01.720 The laptop from hell was Russian disinformation, they claimed.
00:20:05.780 Correct.
00:20:06.260 You know, well, of course that was done to put a veil around, you know, the candidate, Mr. Biden.
00:20:18.500 So –
00:20:20.020 It was interference in a presidential election.
00:20:22.860 Straight up, it was interference in a presidential election by the intelligence community, the Justice Department, Bill Barr, the attorney general, and the FBI.
00:20:33.200 And apparently some parts of the military is inclusive with General Milley basically committing treason with the Chinese in what he said.
00:20:44.960 You know, I was a military guy.
00:20:47.080 And, you know, you just can't – you can't do something like say, well, I will – I will cavort with our enemies if it's something that I don't like or I don't agree with.
00:20:55.240 But that's not how the military works that – I do believe that, you know, in wartime, basically, you know, the remedy for that is a rope around your neck and dangling from there, you know, from an oak tree.
00:21:10.000 So this thing is now incredibly expansive.
00:21:18.420 And because Mr. Trump could not be controlled, he could not be bribed because he has his own money.
00:21:23.520 He's made his own fortune.
00:21:26.540 You know, any foibles and discretions he's had because he's lived in a fishbowl are known, and he's been forgiven for those.
00:21:33.880 And, you know, he basically can't be blackmailed because of that.
00:21:38.700 So he is – as far as the intelligence community and the deep state and the cess swamp that is D.C., he is a bull in a china shop, and he is an existential threat to their existence. 0.98
00:21:50.660 And I'll be honest, I would love to see him back in the White House, and I would love to see him just tear them asunder, which is what needs to be done.
00:22:00.080 The question becomes – and by the way, I agree with you.
00:22:04.160 I would love to see that as well, and tens of millions of Americans want it as well.
00:22:08.820 But what we're witnessing right now are oligarch after oligarch stepping up to say, I want Ron DeSantis.
00:22:17.560 I want Nikki Haley.
00:22:20.520 I want Pompeo, Mike Pompeo, whomever it may be.
00:22:26.540 Anybody, anybody but Trump seems to be the view of the Republican establishment.
00:22:34.000 And it's an awesome amount of power – excuse me – it's an awesome amount of power that they are bringing to bear against this president.
00:22:44.820 And we're some – you know, we're quite distant from the election.
00:22:47.980 But it's also the reason that we saw the January 6th committee to destroy Donald Trump.
00:22:54.000 It's the reason that we saw two impeachments and now a second special counsel investigation.
00:22:58.880 And from all of it, over the course of what is now almost seven full years, not one single instance of wrongdoing, I have to say, he is the only candidate who is certifiably clean.
00:23:13.960 Because if there had been anything, anything in their – in the intelligence agencies, the FBI, anyone's scanning of his career, his life, it would have been out there in bold, bright letters put up against the night sky.
00:23:33.360 It is just – it's just stunning to see the immense and, as you say, the formidable force of these intelligence agencies acting together as they have, but with one target, and that is Donald J. Trump.
00:23:48.820 Well, I imagine this has been a learning process for Mr. Trump because – and the stamina and the fortitude of this guy to be able to put up with this and still come out with all the different policies that turned our country around and got our economy going and, you know, the peace and the process in the Middle East and all the things that he did, which, of course, will not be installed in the press, the mainstream press.
00:24:17.720 But this has also been a learning process for him.
00:24:21.940 And the reason it needs to be, Mr. Trump, is like I said before, he cannot be bribed and he cannot be blackmailed.
00:24:30.460 No, but you know what, Russ?
00:24:32.220 He can be beaten down. 0.80
00:24:34.500 He can be crushed.
00:24:36.800 And that's what we are watching the deep state and the Marxists of the Democratic Party trying to do here and the intelligence agencies and the FBI, the Department of Justice.
00:24:47.720 All bringing that awesome power, trying to destroy this one man.
00:24:54.860 They've given up in trying to scare him.
00:24:58.060 They've given up in trying to intimidate him.
00:25:01.240 They have given up on so many levels because they could not produce the material necessary.
00:25:08.020 But what they can do is support his enemies, support his rivals in politics and business and try to crush him.
00:25:21.860 And I truly believe that's the only explanation for what has been going on for seven years.
00:25:27.820 We've never seen anything like this in the country.
00:25:30.280 And we can extol all of his virtues and his terrific values, all of which are immense and, frankly, I think unprecedented.
00:25:38.040 But what the American people aren't doing is learning from the experience.
00:25:44.580 You're talking about he's learned a lot.
00:25:46.120 The American people don't seem to have learned a lot.
00:25:49.020 And our government, our two political parties haven't learned a lot.
00:25:53.800 They are running over this man to this very day, trying to prosecute him in state courts and federal courts.
00:26:02.440 And they still have, what, 800 political prisoners that they're holding in D.C. area jails and prisons for January 6.
00:26:13.960 So, you know, I just wonder, where do you believe the intelligence agencies are in all of this?
00:26:22.940 Well, they are at the heart of all of this.
00:26:25.780 They are the lifeblood, especially, you know, Fort Meade and NSA.
00:26:29.940 You know, information is power.
00:26:32.640 And basically, when you have, you know, omniscience, then there's, you know, there's nothing that you can't do.
00:26:46.200 All these other candidates, you've got to wonder, you know, can they be bribed, you know, when you say, we're going to make you a multimillionaire?
00:26:54.920 Or, you know, can you find out that they've had an affair in the past or that they've had some sort of, you know, issue, a land deal or stock trades or whatever it may be that can be used against them to control them?
00:27:10.340 The thing we know about President Trump is he cannot be blackmailed and he cannot be bribed.
00:27:15.480 And that's why he is, as far as I'm concerned, to be honest, I didn't vote for President Trump.
00:27:20.780 In the last few years, the last three or four elections, I do a write-in for Rand Paul every single presidential election.
00:27:27.800 Why is that?
00:27:28.480 Rand Paul.
00:27:29.360 Pardon?
00:27:30.000 Why is that?
00:27:31.580 Because Rand Paul wants to deal with our national debt.
00:27:35.820 When a whole lot of Republicans and a whole lot of Democrats are spending like drunken sailors, and that's sort of an insult to drunken sailors because at least they spend their own money.
00:27:43.100 But he's, as far as I can tell, the only guy in Congress that wants to turn around our country as far as the economy, which is, by the way, a runaway economy, is a national security threat.
00:27:55.680 And that's why I – and, you know, he basically is a constitutional conservative, and that's where I fall in line, too.
00:28:05.360 So that's why I've been voting for Rand Paul.
00:28:07.280 But this coming election, I'm on the side of Mr. Trump, and I will do everything.
00:28:13.100 I am certainly going to vote for him, and I'll do anything in my power to walk around with a sign or whatever I can do to help him to get back in office to stem this tide because we are approaching an event horizon here.
00:28:26.420 And at some point, when we go over that edge, there will be no coming back.
00:28:30.900 We'll be sucked into a massive mega-cosmic vortex that there will be no return.
00:28:36.880 How close do you think that event is?
00:28:41.500 You know, that's a good question.
00:28:44.060 You know, we're seeing right now where there's a couple news networks.
00:28:48.920 One has already been thrown off of the public's TV screens, and another one's about to be thrown off.
00:28:56.420 So they're going after any – that's another sign, a hallmark of a dystopian police state, that they want to control the narrative.
00:29:06.500 And that's happening right now also.
00:29:09.700 My gosh, Tucker Carlson comes out with some videos of what really happened in the Capitol on January 6th, a couple years ago, and they're screaming bloody murder.
00:29:20.600 Lord forbid that the American people see what actually happened.
00:29:24.380 And, you know, the old sunlight disinfectant equation.
00:29:30.100 So they're like vampires squealing when the holy water hits them.
00:29:36.360 And that is the truth.
00:29:38.360 They cannot stand the truth.
00:29:39.940 The deep state, the Marxist Dems, Chuck Schumer.
00:29:44.380 My God, I thought he was going to break into tears at the prospect of the American people actually seeing for themselves on video what actually happened, 0.80
00:29:53.920 rather than taking the word of the cretins of the January 6th committee.
00:30:00.200 It's just nuts to see what the first reflex of these Marxists truly is.
00:30:10.500 Let's turn to – and I want to take up in the next – our next podcast discussion.
00:30:16.960 I want to take up a number of things, and that is, why is it, if NSA is so powerful, so very powerful, and omniscient, I believe, is the word you used, they are – what happened to Hillary Clinton's missing emails?
00:30:32.440 What happened to those devices, and why didn't we have a record, and why didn't our agencies have a record of what was actually said on them?
00:30:40.460 And your thoughts about that?
00:30:46.120 Well, think about that for a minute.
00:30:47.520 If you're going to have someone who you want to put in power, do you want to have someone so lily-white clean that you can't come up – a Mother Teresa candidate that you have nothing on?
00:31:00.320 Or do you want a candidate that you have all kinds of dirt and skeletons in the closet that you can easily control them?
00:31:07.300 Now, Mrs. Clinton is – I mean, I imagine that it's not only, you know, a thousand skeletons in her closet, but they're zombies, you know, banging on the closet door to get out. 0.99
00:31:24.920 That's quite an image, Russ.
00:31:27.060 That's quite an image.
00:31:28.540 And I suspect that, you know, the reasoning is apt.
00:31:33.000 But I also want to just think about Epstein.
00:31:38.520 Suddenly he commits suicide in his jail in New York, and we have no – we don't have that list of names now.
00:31:48.340 But we know agencies have the list of names.
00:31:50.980 We know that the American people are being protected from themselves because these good, wonderful agencies of the deep state are looking out for us.
00:32:03.060 Why isn't – why doesn't any of this material come forward?
00:32:08.280 Well, because apparently a lot of the folks that were involved in visiting, you know, his little pedophile island down there in the Caribbean are some very powerful people that are either in the deep state or being incorporated into the deep state.
00:32:24.820 And also people wonder, you know, where did this guy go all his money?
00:32:28.520 Well, you know, I'm a trained intelligence analyst.
00:32:32.000 And first of all, you look at all the different machinations of what happened there in that New York prison, and a five-year-old would be able to figure out that, yes, this man was assassinated.
00:32:42.380 You know, it's that blatant.
00:32:46.460 So why?
00:32:48.140 And how did he get tens of millions of dollars?
00:32:51.300 Well, you know, more than likely, back to our intelligence agency and probably a couple other intelligence agencies, and now I'm going to talk about the CIA in this one,
00:33:00.240 that he was involved in setting up people for our intelligence services to be blackmailed by using the sexual, you know, contact with underage girls.
00:33:10.160 And we are sitting here, as we discuss all of this, we are looking at historic decisions that are impending right now, and that is whether or not to reauthorize 702.
00:33:27.860 We have not heard anyone try to hold to account 51 intelligence veterans who signed that letter, which gave a corrupt vice president by the name of Joe Biden, a former vice president at that time, a shield against which to meet the prying media and, of course, his opponent, Donald J. Trump.
00:33:53.620 They changed history, and we know that they're changing history almost every day because the agenda is not a public agenda.
00:34:03.520 It is an agenda between very powerful groups, whether they be corporate, Wall Street, educational organizations, associations, the World Economic Forum, the Davos donors, if you will, and the list goes on.
00:34:22.020 Our next visit, Russ, what I'd like to do is talk about what your role was when you became a whistleblower and what your motivation was and why you stepped forward at that particular moment as you were one of the top analysts within the NSA.
00:34:40.980 And I'd like to close out here today, if we may, with what is a clear clash between the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, the deep state, and that's over the issue of classified documents.
00:34:56.420 Only one of the people who, it's been discovered, top secret, compartmentalized, sensitive information was Donald J. Trump, president of the United States, but who has the power to reclassify, declassify any document that is in his possession, and that in his possession, it becomes his in point of fact.
00:35:19.580 But Mike Pence, Joe Biden, and now others, why do you suppose there is even a debate about the powers of declassification and who has which classified documents?
00:35:37.440 What are your thoughts, given your experience and your knowledge?
00:35:41.020 Well, I was a classifying agent for the intelligence that I produced, so I would set the intelligence, and I was allowed to change a security clearance designator if I felt that it was needed, although I would have to contact a security control officer to let them know and give a justification for doing so.
00:36:01.940 The president, as you mentioned, the president, five minutes before he was no longer president, could have waved his arm with a little wand or something, like Mickey Mouse and the Sorcerer's Apprentice, and said, I now deem all these documents in this room or wherever to be now unclassified, which would be, guess what, perfectly legal.
00:36:22.020 Well, he has that right.
00:36:23.100 Now, that would not be very good bookkeeping in the intelligence community, but nonetheless, he legally could do so, and that would be not a problem.
00:36:32.380 Now, these other guys, you've got to wonder, are they saving documents because they want to write a book, and this is their reference material?
00:36:41.120 And in one particular case, where you might have it in a garage near your Corvette, you wonder if your son isn't digging into that and using that to sell influence with foreign, potentially, adversaries, and ultimately make themselves rich by tens of millions of dollars.
00:37:02.820 Let me ask you a question, just as we wrap up here.
00:37:06.900 This is just a very quick answer, if you would, please.
00:37:10.240 I know you're under time constraints.
00:37:14.780 Why in the world is there such a resistance to say the word enemy in this country right now?
00:37:22.500 It's in the media.
00:37:23.760 It's in politics.
00:37:25.200 We know that China, for example, is our enemy. 0.98
00:37:28.700 We know, for example, that Russia is our enemy, and certainly the Iranians. 1.00
00:37:34.540 I, in no circumstance, think of them as adversaries, rivals, or competitors.
00:37:39.500 I think of them as enemies.
00:37:42.020 Why have we lost the ability to be plain spoken in this country?
00:37:47.940 Well, that's a good question.
00:37:49.640 I guess people don't want to hurt people's feelings.
00:37:52.220 In the State Department, they never want to say enemy because they always want to try to make friends with people.
00:37:55.800 But we're in a situation now where Russia and China are basically now teaming up, and this is a nightmare scenario.
00:38:05.020 These are both nuclear powers.
00:38:08.240 To me, the enemy is communism.
00:38:11.360 You know, when I got in this business, I was gung-ho to fight communism.
00:38:15.260 It was back in the Cold War, the end of the Cold War, and I would work, you know, 12 hours a day.
00:38:22.300 And I was the guy that got there early, made the coffee, and I was the guy locking up the safes and the doors on the way out at night, workaholic.
00:38:28.920 And to me, you know, the communists are the ones that want to take over, and the ones have that in their literature.
00:38:41.520 As far as Russia is concerned, do I believe that Putin wants to take over the world?
00:38:45.960 No.
00:38:46.360 Do I believe that he wants the same borders that he wants?
00:38:48.760 And by the way, I'm a Sino-Russo specialist, so I studied the history.
00:38:52.300 You know, Russia has been attacked by the Tartars, the Swedes, Napoleon, Hitler, so they're a little bit paranoid.
00:39:02.860 So when they told us, you know, don't be messing with the Crimea because that's where their big military naval base is, and what did we do?
00:39:11.680 And we started talking about making them members of NATO, and that's under Obama.
00:39:16.580 They took the Crimea. 0.92
00:39:17.920 They had a national security interest.
00:39:19.580 The United States has zero national security interest in Ukraine.
00:39:24.820 The Russians have a whole lot.
00:39:27.420 So to me, you've got to understand where the Russians are coming from.
00:39:30.620 Now, is Putin the kind of guy that you'd want your daughter to go out with and that you want to have a picnic with every Easter and that sort of thing and raise your kid?
00:39:40.660 He's not a sweetheart.
00:39:43.120 But, you know, he's not the only guy that we've had to deal with who's not a sweetheart.
00:39:48.320 So as far as the term enemy, yes, there are enemies.
00:39:54.820 But you've got to realize if you have too many of them hanging up on you, you're in trouble.
00:40:01.420 Absolutely.
00:40:02.600 Russ, we appreciate it.
00:40:03.960 I look forward to our next conversation.
00:40:06.340 I appreciate you being with us today here on The Great America Show.
00:40:10.380 Thanks so much, Russ.
00:40:11.980 It's my pleasure.
00:40:12.900 I'll talk to you the next time around.
00:40:14.120 Russ Tice, in my opinion, a great American.
00:40:17.500 Thanks for being with us.
00:40:18.940 We'll be bringing you our conversations with Russ each week on our politics, our conflicts, domestic and foreign, and the modern surveillance state that America has become.
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00:40:34.540 Here tomorrow, our guest is former top DEA official and agent Derek Maltz, fentanyl, the Biden regime sellout to the cartels and the poisoning of America.
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