The Great America Show - AMERICA IS REAPING THE CONSEQUENCES OF TURNING AWAY FROM GOD OVER THE LAST 50-60 YEARS

00:00:00.000 Hello everybody, I'm Lou Dobbs and welcome to the Great America Show.

00:00:04.560 Today we're talking with Pastor Robert Jeffress about the madness that has gripped the planet

00:00:09.700 and surely the United States. Whether it's Chinese viruses spreading around the planet

00:00:16.140 or Chinese rocket boosters falling to earth, Putin invading Ukraine, or Marxist Dems trying

00:00:22.540 for a sixth straight year to politically persecute an innocent president one more time.

00:00:29.040 Three years of the past six, the FBI has been investigating President Donald Trump and

00:00:35.420 in every instance the top officials of the FBI knew he was innocent, that the Russian 0.87

00:00:41.240 collusion hoax was crafted by Hillary Clinton's campaign, years of FBI investigation, a special

00:00:48.060 counsel investigation, two presidential impeachments, and now the January 6th farce.

00:00:54.900 There is no decency whatsoever in the Marxist Dem leadership of the Democrat Party, or the

00:01:02.600 deep state, or for that matter we now know in the rhino leadership of the Republican Party.

00:01:09.500 The Biden White House lies about everything. There's nothing they don't lie about. The

00:01:16.180 President claiming he spoke to Chinese President Xi about the imprisonment and genocide of Uyghurs,

00:01:21.840 his business dealings with his son, his call with Saudis, and his claim they talked about Khashoggi's

00:01:28.840 murder, and his press secretary saying that Biden's administration flying illegal immigrants all over

00:01:35.120 the country in the dead of night is different than Texas bussing illegals to the nation's capital.

00:01:42.460 And if demons aren't walking the earth now, when were they? And one of the questions facing us all

00:01:49.060 is this. Will good prevail over evil? Has the world indeed gone mad? To take up all of this,

00:01:57.440 Pastor Robert Jeffress of the Dallas First Baptist Church in Dallas, Texas, joins us.

00:02:02.680 Tremendous preacher, author, podcaster, and radio host, and great American. Pastor, it is great as

00:02:09.640 always to have you back with us, and the questions are fundamental. Has this country gone mad?

00:02:15.540 We Americans are wracked by uncertainty, unrelenting crime, and assaults on our way of life daily.

00:02:22.500 What is going on?

00:02:24.320 Well, I think, Lou, what is going on is our nation is reaping the consequences of turning away from God

00:02:31.780 over the last 50 to 60 years. You know, some genius about 60 years ago decided we didn't need God any

00:02:39.160 longer to be good. We could be good without God. And so there was this rabid attempt by the left to

00:02:44.740 remove prayer, Bible reading, and other religious practices in the public square away from our

00:02:53.540 public life. And it's been a disastrous experiment. We need God to be good. And I think what you're

00:03:00.500 seeing with the school shootings, I think what you're seeing with the rapid immorality, what you're

00:03:06.580 seeing in the gender confusion, but we can't even define what a man and a woman are. I think all of that

00:03:13.260 is a result of turning away from God. And we're going to talk about, I know, about this new Gallup

00:03:18.880 poll about fewer Americans believing in God's word as the literal word of God. Well, that has 0.95

00:03:25.000 consequences to it. In Hosea 4, 6, in the Old Testament, God told the Israelites, because you

00:03:31.340 have forgotten me and my word, I will forget your children. And I think that's what's happening.

00:03:37.360 Thankfully, I see a turning of that. I think recently we're seeing some signs that America is

00:03:43.840 turning back to God. We're getting rid of these horrendous court rulings that tried to restrict

00:03:49.720 religious liberty. And I think we'll experience the blessing of that. Well, we all we all pray you're

00:03:56.320 right. When you talked about these interpretations of the of the Constitution, the the rulings that have

00:04:03.320 been handed down over the course of the last almost 50 years that made abortion a federal

00:04:09.340 right. A lot of people want to talk about it as a constitutional right. That's pure hogwash.

00:04:13.960 That's part of the the faux interpretation of the Constitution to said to create that contrivance

00:04:20.680 that said abortion was a right of privacy and extended that to the Constitution. We should be

00:04:27.960 embarrassed at what our courts have done, because what they've done is nothing more than sophistry.

00:04:34.040 It is specious. It is ignorance. And we as a country are being led by false narratives almost,

00:04:43.960 it seems, in every quarter of our lives. And why don't we have more pride and more integrity than to

00:04:52.280 accept that kind of nonsense from our greatest institutions, whether it be our Congress or

00:04:58.040 Senate, the presidency or the Supreme Court? Well, you're exactly right, Lou. And and what

00:05:05.320 liberals do, especially when it comes to the Constitution, is they create these imaginary rights

00:05:11.560 for some people at the expense of erasing very real rights for other people. For example, I mean,

00:05:17.640 religious liberty, they've created this imaginary right that every American has to be free from 0.95

00:05:24.840 being offended by the religious expressions of others. We have a freedom from religion. That's

00:05:31.240 nowhere in the Constitution. The First Amendment is about the freedom of religious expression or in

00:05:37.480 the abortion issue, this imaginary right to an abortion. That's not anywhere in the Constitution.

00:05:43.000 But in our most foundational document, there is a right to life. And hopefully this is going to be

00:05:48.840 corrected with a conservative court that's going to go back to the original intent of our founders.

00:05:55.720 And I think we're seeing the beginning of that. I mean, just in the last few weeks, not only the

00:06:00.280 Roe ruling, but you've seen two great rulings about religious liberty, Coach Kennedy and prayer, and then

00:06:07.560 the main vouchers. All of this is returning us to the founders' intention.

00:06:13.480 And the main foundation of those decisions was the commitment of, obviously, Samuel Alito and Clarence

00:06:24.520 Thomas, but the addition of three justices by Donald J. Trump, which made all the difference,

00:06:30.760 the historic difference, because it is chilling to think what would have happened with that case

00:06:38.920 if those three justices were not there, present and acting with great integrity and adherence to the

00:06:51.080 textualist interpretation of the Constitution.

00:06:54.520 Well, you're right. In the Sunday after the Roe decision, I said to our church, I said there is 0.90

00:07:01.800 certainly God to be praised and glorified for this decision, but in human terms, God uses people.

00:07:08.040 And there is one person responsible for this ruling, and it is President Donald J. Trump.

00:07:14.200 I mean, just think, Lou, what would have happened if Hillary Clinton had been elected in 2016

00:07:19.800 and had her chance to appoint three justices? I guarantee you Roe v. Wade would be safe forever.

00:07:27.640 This is the result of an election. And I remind people, especially these squishy, 1.00

00:07:33.480 mushy Christians who want to stay on the sidelines and criticize fellow Christians who get involved in 1.00

00:07:39.880 politics, elections have consequences. And we saw the good consequence of an election with this Roe decision.

00:07:48.440 We have all seen examples of what you're referring to as squishy Christians. It has taken, 0.87

00:07:56.760 I think, a number of churches, a great deal to finally emerge from this insistence that they

00:08:03.960 be neutral in life, in the public square. And what is extraordinary about it, there are several

00:08:12.040 examples of churches not being squishy at all, but being assertive, aggressive, and carrying the

00:08:19.400 opposite word, if you will, as to what churches should be doing for their parishioners, for their

00:08:26.200 their members and their flock. It is just amazing to me that the Catholic Church can set up Catholic 0.65

00:08:35.080 charities and be engaged in every aspect of illegal immigration, carrying out the most, to me,

00:08:43.160 obscene policies that have never been approved by our Congress or, to my knowledge, at least,

00:08:51.720 a court. And to see evangelical churches say, oh, no, we shouldn't be talking about religion.

00:09:00.680 The next thing you'll have us talking about is sports. I mean, it's crazy to me.

00:09:05.480 It is, and it goes against a basic foundational belief of Christianity, and that is a person's 0.71

00:09:11.720 faith ought to impact every part of their life, their work life, their family life, and yes,

00:09:17.240 their politics. And just look at American history, Lou. I mean, it's always been Christians who have 0.95

00:09:23.080 been in the forefront, Christians voting their political beliefs, Christians allowing their beliefs

00:09:29.000 to impact their beliefs about public life that have shaped our country. I mean, it was ministers.

00:09:35.400 The black-robed regiment who were foundational in the American Revolution. It was Christians who 0.99

00:09:40.760 led the way in the abolition of slavery. It was Christians who were involved in leading for civil

00:09:46.760 rights. I mean, can you imagine somebody saying to Martin Luther King, Jr., now you're a pastor.

00:09:52.360 You shouldn't be involved in politics. Do you think anybody on the left would say that today? No,

00:09:58.280 they're against pastors and Christians being involved in politics who are conservative. They have 0.97

00:10:04.120 absolutely no problem with the Al Sharptons and the Jesse Jacksons and other liberal ministers being

00:10:10.360 involved in the political world. It's only Christians they want to silence. 1.00

00:10:14.360 A national figure in religion. Think about this. When we talk about Franklin Graham,

00:10:24.280 he is the contemporary, the son, obviously, of Billy Graham. National figures are very rare from the

00:10:32.760 evangelical church. And they have been, frankly, I think, very cautious in what they did say

00:10:42.920 on issues of national importance they spoke. But on the day-to-day, they were reluctant and reticent.

00:10:52.200 Well, I think, you know, every Christian has to follow his convictions on this. And, you know,

00:11:02.120 Franklin is a great friend. And here's a great example. I'm glad you cited him.

00:11:06.280 Oh, I admire him greatly.

00:11:07.560 I know you do. I know. I know. But just think about Franklin. I mean, his faith is what led to

00:11:12.840 Samaritan's Purse, one of the great relief organizations in the world. Why would liberals

00:11:17.480 want to attack Franklin Graham, who engages in such wonderful work? They do it because

00:11:22.760 of his political views. He believes that marriage should be between a man and a woman.

00:11:27.320 He believes that abortion is murder. And they absolutely discount any good he does

00:11:34.120 and savage him for his conservative beliefs. And, you know, I think we just need more Christians 1.00

00:11:41.080 to stand up and speak out in the public square.

00:11:44.760 And we're seeing Christians more emboldened. And there are people listening to us, I'm sure,

00:11:49.960 who are not Christian. There are probably not many, but there are some. And I understand that.

00:11:56.520 But they're afraid right now of the role of the church as well. They don't know what to make of

00:12:05.400 the ultimate conflict, I think, for Americans. And that is, how do I get to heaven? Is there a heaven?

00:12:14.360 Yes.

00:12:14.920 And how do I avoid hell? Is there a hell? And what is my moral compass really built on?

00:12:22.520 We can talk about the Judeo-Christian heritage of this country. But the fact is,

00:12:29.720 unless it's identified and living and breathing, whether you believe in the Bible, whether you

00:12:34.680 believe in God and are going to church, you know, these are all big, important questions for everyone.

00:12:40.440 There are issues of faith for those who are faithful. And there are issues of faith for those who are

00:12:47.560 not yet. Give us your thoughts about where we are as a society right now.

00:12:54.280 Well, look, you know, the real question is, you know, for Christians, how am I supposed to respond

00:12:59.880 to this decadent culture in which I'm living right now? And I spoke about this a couple of weeks ago at

00:13:05.640 the Freedom Faith and Freedom Coalition meeting in Nashville. And I went back to the words of Jesus. And

00:13:12.040 you know, these words in Matthew 5, Lou, Jesus said, you are the salt of the earth and you are the light

00:13:17.880 of the world. You know, salt in Jesus' day was a preservative. It didn't prevent the decay of meat,

00:13:23.720 but it delayed the decay of meat. It gave the meat longer shelf life. Eventually, it had to be thrown

00:13:29.880 out. And Jesus said, one reason I'm leaving you, my followers in this world, is to be a preservative,

00:13:35.960 to keep this world from prematurely rotting away. And that means we're to be involved in pushing back

00:13:42.120 against evil. And for us, the best way to do that is the political process. We're not going to

00:13:47.800 ultimately save America from its fall. I mean, the Bible teaches us very clearly that every nation will

00:13:54.340 fall one day and Christ will return. And we look forward to that. But we want to delay that as long

00:13:59.560 as possible so that we have an opportunity to share the real light of the gospel with people.

00:14:05.040 And so, you know, people who say, well, Christians just ought to be preaching the gospel of Jesus

00:14:09.580 Christ and not get involved in cultural affairs and politics. That's not what Jesus said. We're both

00:14:16.800 to be pushing back against evil with one hand and with the other hand, sharing our only hope,

00:14:22.460 which is faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. It's not either or, it's both and, Lou.

00:14:27.660 And as we look at the latest polling, and this from Pew Research, a majority of the public,

00:14:36.720 according to this poll, a majority of the public disapproves of the Supreme Court decision to

00:14:42.480 overturn Roe v. Wade to support the right to life and to return the issue to states. Your reaction?

00:14:50.380 Well, thank God we don't determine morality by polls. I want to remind people there was a time

00:14:59.920 in American history where the majority of Americans agreed with the Supreme Court in its Dred Scott

00:15:06.660 decision that African-Americans were not fully human, that they were chattel property, that they

00:15:12.040 had no rights whatsoever. But just because the majority believed that and the Supreme Court ruled

00:15:17.200 that didn't make it right. And frankly, our standard for right and wrong is not polls, it's not court,

00:15:24.820 it's the Word of God, the Bible. And the Bible says, thou shalt not murder. And so I'm not disturbed or

00:15:32.660 even surprised, as you said, by this poll of Americans disagreeing with the Supreme Court's decision.

00:15:39.800 The Supreme Court was right because they were in alignment with what God's Word teaches.

00:15:44.420 And there are, again, lots of Americans who have had to deal with the issue of abortion. Some made

00:15:52.040 wise choices. Some made very unwise and tragic choices, in my judgment. And as we're coming to

00:16:02.840 terms with this, I really see this as an opportunity, the overturning of Roe v. Wade, for the country to

00:16:10.200 to atone, to make right incalculable wrongs, as many as 60, 70 million abortions over the course of 0.91

00:16:21.660 time since 1973 and Roe v. Wade's ruling. It's a time where there seems to me there needs to be great

00:16:31.960 reflection and great, great concern about coming together around a reality and a truth that is

00:16:40.000 biblical, it is a matter of faith, and should be discussed openly. And we're just not seeing that,

00:16:48.880 is what I'm getting to, whether it be in our churches, whether it be anywhere in our society.

00:16:54.880 There is a great conflict, of course, but the idea of sanctity of life and the right to life,

00:17:02.780 to me, is foremost in terms of what should be at the center of the debate and come together around

00:17:11.220 it and acknowledge the wrongs that we've done and seek forgiveness.

00:17:17.340 Well, I believe that. And look, Lou, I mean, to quote Tip O'Neill, you know,

00:17:21.900 he had a saying, all politics are local. And in a sense, you know, all spirituality is personal.

00:17:29.300 It begins with a personal relationship with God. And we repent individually. Nobody goes to heaven

00:17:35.040 in a group. We go one by one based on our relationship to Christ. But you're on to something,

00:17:40.280 Lou. There is a national repentance that needs to happen. I mean, God not only judges individuals,

00:17:46.720 he judges nations. Remember, in the Old Testament, the Israelites were offering children as burnt

00:17:52.280 sacrifices to the pagan god Moloch. And God said, because you have done this thing, I'm going to 0.73

00:17:57.780 send you into captivity for 70 years. God hasn't changed. I tell people, you know, when they say,

00:18:04.320 you know, are you a Christian nationalist? I say, well, if you mean, do I believe that American is

00:18:10.060 exempt from God's judgment? Absolutely not. The Bible is clear. God is no respecter of people or

00:18:17.740 nations. Any nation that honors God will be blessed by God. And any nation, Lou, including the United

00:18:23.960 States, that rejects God, disobeys God, will be judged by God. And in that judgment, we have given

00:18:33.360 him much to consider when one thinks about the enormity of the tragedy and of the decisions that

00:18:41.480 millions of Americans have had to make and have chosen poorly, because our court made possible

00:18:48.940 a ruling that protected iniquity. And I'm going to use that. That's my word. And I know how difficult

00:18:56.540 that decision was for many Americans. But there is a standard, whether you look to the Bible, whether

00:19:02.700 you look to just common decency and the right to life in less than a religious sense. Give me an idea

00:19:13.720 of what a national discussion about Roe v. Wade should be, because you are a man of faith, a leader,

00:19:23.460 a faith leader who has an enormous following. How do we get that conversation started? And what do you

00:19:32.500 think the reaction would be amongst the left and the right to the suggestion that we come together

00:19:38.940 to talk about the importance of that right to life? Well, it's easy to point to the hypocrisy of the

00:19:44.740 left and the sins of the left. But I think those of us who are conservative need to be honest, too. I

00:19:50.240 mean, if we believe in the sanctity of life, it means that we value not only life in the womb, but life

00:19:55.800 outside the womb as well. And I think we need to really have an honest discussion about what are

00:20:01.220 we going to do to support women who are going to have a pregnancy and go to completion with that

00:20:08.620 pregnancy? How can we best support life as a viable option? I think it's paramount for churches like

00:20:15.640 mine to continue what we do. We have a pregnancy center to support moms and the choice of life,

00:20:23.220 to support them with financial assistance and counseling. I think we have to look at that,

00:20:29.280 Lou, at the governmental level about making sure there's adequate compensation for those who can't

00:20:35.020 care for themselves, to make sure that children have a chance in life. And we can't say, well,

00:20:42.040 we're just against all government programs. If we really want to treat children as they need to

00:20:48.420 be treated and make sure they grow up in the right atmosphere, I think we have a national discussion

00:20:53.040 about now, since this is the law of the land, how are we going to best implement it?

00:20:59.400 You know, I understand what you're saying. I think on this one, I have to say, I don't want more

00:21:05.100 government. It's just... I don't want more taxes, but I think maybe a redistribution of how we're

00:21:13.380 spending some of our money. Yeah, I think that's a fair statement and a noble goal. I don't want more

00:21:21.880 government, period. We have the left, the Marxist left has taken control of our government. That's

00:21:28.720 obvious in the corruption of the FBI, the Department of Justice, the Department of Homeland Security.

00:21:36.840 We are dealing with a monstrous, monstrous government. I think that if we could get the

00:21:43.840 churches to step up louder, more aggressively, and be the leaders that we know they can be,

00:21:51.380 that it would be a wonderful way to move forward. I wish that we were not also possessed of a

00:22:00.940 national corporatist media that is as rancidly politically corrupt, because they're certainly

00:22:08.060 not going to be supportive or helpful, because a moral compass has to frighten them. You know,

00:22:14.280 they're afraid of the Bible. They're afraid of Christians. They're afraid of ministers and preachers

00:22:19.120 and priests. But, oh, my goodness, they are scared to death of truth and integrity and morality.

00:22:28.140 They are, and their heads are exploding right now, Lou, over this Roe decision, because they've seen

00:22:33.700 what happens when Christians, 81 percent of evangelicals, get together and vote for Donald J. Trump,

00:22:40.360 and he appoints three conservative justices. They're seeing the impact of that, and they haven't even begun

00:22:47.020 to feel the impact of what future rulings are going to be. And that's what all of this attempt

00:22:52.680 to talk about the separation of church and state. I mean, the fact is, what they want to do is build

00:22:58.580 an unscalable wall around churches to make sure no influence from churches seep into public life,

00:23:05.920 because they're seeing the terrifying consequences of what happens when it does.

00:23:10.140 And I think one of the considerations that all Christians have to consider is, what is their

00:23:20.300 commitment to public education? And it means engagement. It means participation. It means

00:23:27.120 actually going to a school board meeting to me and saying, God, prayer. And I can carry my Bible into

00:23:35.720 the classroom without, you know, heads being on a swivel, that you can have a discussion not about

00:23:43.720 sex, not about gender transitioning, but how about a conversation about God? What is the moral compass

00:23:51.200 that each of those students follows? I mean, if they're going to talk sex to five to nine-year-olds

00:23:56.800 in our schools, then every Christian in the country should be in that school board saying, 0.97

00:24:01.220 you will not, because that is sickness and evil. And it is not only immoral, it is an absolute sick 0.98

00:24:11.500 mental illness that is just beyond description. And we're taking that on as a public policy in our

00:24:18.360 schools. That's madness. It is madness. And most people are so ignorant of American history. They

00:24:25.920 don't realize that for the first 150 years of our nation's history, from the mid-1600s into the

00:24:32.580 1800s, most every school child in America had as a textbook the New England Primer. To graduate from

00:24:40.460 the third grade, you had to memorize these verses in the Bible. Do not do the abominable thing unto the 1.00

00:24:46.560 Lord. Accept a person be born again. He can't enter into the kingdom of God. The fear of the Lord is the

00:24:51.940 beginning of wisdom. They memorized those verses. They were required to memorize those verses. And then you

00:24:58.300 look at what is happening right now. It is totally without basis in American history whatsoever.

00:25:05.680 And we're making history, but it's not a history of which this country will be proud, and certainly in

00:25:11.100 retrospect, as historians look over where we've been since, say, 1960 to 2022, with the notable exception of

00:25:24.040 these basic three Supreme Court cases, bringing us an opportunity to reflect and to restore

00:25:34.040 decency to our society. We are confronted at almost every level, and we'll talk about shooters. People

00:25:43.060 talk about gun rights, but they never talk about the right to mental health. They never talk about

00:25:48.340 why are we seeing primarily young men carrying out these atrocities? And the reason is they're

00:25:56.860 mentally ill, and they come from families that are mentally ill, whether it be the shooter in 0.99

00:26:02.920 Ovalde, who had three felons. His mother, his father, and grandfather all were felons. He was known to 0.99

00:26:11.480 the schools, to the community, as a dangerous, dangerous victim of mental illness. And no one did

00:26:21.800 anything. I cannot imagine that happening, in which a young man is going to church, going to engaging in

00:26:29.940 the public schools and not having help. Because it's just time and time again, we see the same result.

00:26:38.260 Now, and let me just imagine, what if that 18-year-old, he wasn't going to be taken to church,

00:26:44.200 from what I've read, by his parents and the dysfunctional home he was in. But what if he had

00:26:49.300 sat in a classroom and heard a prayer and memorized a verse that said, you know,

00:26:55.260 the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and do not murder, what change might that have

00:27:01.300 occurred in his life? What evil might have been prevented from his actions if somewhere he had

00:27:07.500 come to a faith in God? We'll never know. But, you know, we can have all the discussions in the world

00:27:13.180 we want to about guns and everything else, but we can't separate these acts of violence from the

00:27:19.020 spiritual component. You know, like Dostoyevsky said, without God, everything is permissible.

00:27:26.160 And that's why we need to teach our children, not just in the church house, but in schools and

00:27:30.660 everywhere, that there is a God to whom we're all accountable.

00:27:34.840 And accountable we are. And in 2022, it looks like we're going to see a wave election, a landslide for

00:27:43.200 the Republicans, unless, as you and I've also discussed many times, the Republicans decide to

00:27:49.100 mess it all up. I think this may be that strong that it can overcome even the Republican Party

00:27:55.300 and its leadership. Will the evangelicals be behind, will it be a powerful force in the results of this

00:28:05.480 upcoming election in 2022?

00:28:07.300 I'm hoping it will, Lou. The one caveat I have, and the thing I warn people about, is this battle

00:28:14.580 for the sanctity of life isn't over. It wasn't decided a few weeks ago. It's just beginning. It's

00:28:20.660 just moved from the national level, in some senses, to the state level. But we cannot grow weary in

00:28:27.760 well-doing, as the Bible says. We need to be vigilant. No, our primary purpose here on earth is not

00:28:34.440 politics. It's to preach the gospel. But we do have a responsibility to vote our spiritual

00:28:39.800 convictions. So I'm hoping and praying that people will remain vigilant in 2022 and certainly in 2024.

00:28:48.060 I know there's a great argument in faith about God-given rights in our Constitution. And I have

00:28:58.080 always argued that those are American rights. They're not God-given.

00:29:02.140 They may certainly be, and almost assuredly are, without question in my opinion, the result of

00:29:10.900 God's guidance. But those were hard-fought and won rights by Americans who sacrificed their lives,

00:29:18.380 their treasure, their fortunes, to bring about this great republic of ours. We have a responsibility,

00:29:26.960 it seems to me, to engage. And Christianity is not an excuse. It's a reason. It's a purpose. And I just

00:29:35.420 hate to see people hide behind their faith as a reason not to be engaged in the local school,

00:29:41.280 to be down at the city council, making certain, as best we, any one of us mortals can, that things are

00:29:49.720 on the up and up that others are acting with the integrity that we insist upon of ourselves. Your

00:29:56.140 thoughts about that? You know, Lou, I often use this analogy. Just imagine a giant dam holding back

00:30:01.760 millions of gallons of water, and there's a little village below the dam. The townspeople see cracks in

00:30:08.340 the dam, water starting to leak out. A group of townspeople go up to that dam, and they push back

00:30:14.460 against it. And at the same time are yelling to those below, go find a place of safety. They know

00:30:20.520 that their work ultimately is futile. That dam is going to crumble, and the water is going to be

00:30:25.480 unleashed. But they want to give time for as many people as possible to find sanctuary and salvation.

00:30:32.300 That's what we're doing as Christians. We need to be at that school board meeting. We need to be

00:30:36.640 in the voting booth pushing back against evil, even though we know ultimately this world is going to

00:30:42.660 collapse. We want to prolong that so that we give people as much time to find hope and salvation

00:30:49.860 through Jesus Christ. It's not either or. We're to push back and share the gospel.

00:30:57.000 Well, as you know, we conclude each one of our podcasts with the concluding thoughts of our guests.

00:31:03.940 We give our guests always the last word, and I appreciate you being with us, Pastor.

00:31:09.820 Pastor, this is your moment for the concluding thoughts, and we thank you for all the great

00:31:15.740 thinking that preceded.

00:31:17.960 Well, thank you for having me, Lou. And the one verse I leave your audience with is Psalm 33, 12,

00:31:24.360 blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.

00:31:29.600 Amen.

00:31:31.200 Pastor Jeffress is always a delight, is always illuminating and inspiring. Thank you so much.

00:31:38.080 Thanks for having me, Lou.

00:31:39.920 I always feel better hearing Pastor Jeffress's analysis, his take on life, his perspective,

00:31:45.820 and I hope you do as well. Thank you, everybody, for being with us. Here tomorrow, our guest will be

00:31:51.460 veteran, former federal prosecutor Abe Homaday, running for attorney general in Arizona.

00:31:58.280 Please join us here tomorrow on The Great America Show. You don't want to miss it.

00:32:02.680 Till then, God bless you, and God bless America.

00:32:08.080 God bless you, and God bless you, and God bless you, and God bless you.

The Great America Show - July 31, 2022

AMERICA IS REAPING THE CONSEQUENCES OF TURNING AWAY FROM GOD OVER THE LAST 50-60 YEARS

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