Rep. Ben Kline (R-VA) joins Lou Dobbs on the Great America Show to talk about the latest in the Biden administration, the ongoing Joe Biden scandal, and the ongoing Russian hack of U.S. hospitals.
00:21:25.700Or is it something that can't get done until it's further studied?
00:21:30.280But those are all conversations for once they come to the table.
00:21:34.680At this point, we just need them to come to the table.
00:21:37.560Yeah, it's one of the things, if I may.
00:21:39.480I would just suggest that this would be a wonderful time for the Republicans as a matter of strategy and tactics
00:21:47.800to come forward as they turn to the White House with open hands and arms rather than a demand and an insistence.
00:21:59.480Because we know from from recent experience with Pelosi and Schumer and Biden that they are incapable of doing the right thing.
00:22:10.740And the right thing I would define is that which is most fiscally responsible.
00:22:15.840They've demonstrated nothing but a wanton disregard for fiscal responsibility and a recklessness in the in the budget process.
00:22:24.980My gosh, it's it's it seems to me to be a it seems to me to just be ignoring experience, the reality of who you're dealing with.
00:22:36.500And when I say you, I'm talking about the Republican Party, in particular, the House.
00:22:41.080These people are who they are and they mean to destroy you.
00:22:44.360These these people mean not to give you one inch.
00:22:47.180And and and and I would suggest that an invitation and a warm approach to first educating the public would be a grand condition precedent to any any initiative you undertake.
00:23:04.380Because I I see nothing but Republican blood in the streets, metaphorically, if you if you proceed on this on this basis.
00:23:14.540I've just seen it so many times just blow up when there are other ways in which I think you can reach your objectives.
00:23:23.040And. And by the way, the creators of this mess are Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden.
00:23:33.060There's also this simple strategic reality there on the hook for it and you shouldn't let them off.
00:23:39.240Absolutely not. And we have to keep our focus on the the cause of the current crisis that we're in.
00:23:49.040It's not because Republicans refuse to raise a debt dealing.
00:23:51.840It's because Democrats refuse to control spending.
00:23:54.840And every time they're in power, we end up with these multi trillion dollar bills and they'll point to the last administration and how much the debt went up.
00:24:06.720And we can concede that the last administration agreed to a large amount of spending under both Republican and Democrat led Congresses.
00:24:16.780And we need to end this cycle of reckless spending to be able to get us on the right on the right page.
00:24:24.920Well, I think and I think everyone, well, certainly not everyone, but I think most Americans would agree with you and appreciate your realizing those objectives.
00:24:38.640If I may, I want to turn to you, your view of where the Congress is right now in terms of the investigations, in terms of another issue as well.
00:24:52.560And that is the lack of accountability for the money that is being spent on Ukraine and the insistence on some members of your Congress.
00:25:01.840And I'm talking about Mike McCall right now, the head of foreign affairs.
00:25:06.080I mean, basically calling for a an open treasure chest in the possession of the United States, whether it's weapons or cash, to go forward against Russia when they're threatening nuclear war.
00:25:21.280If you could deal with just those two items.
00:25:26.280We have to make sure that we account for every dollar that has been spent in supporting Ukraine and its defense against Russia.
00:25:38.320I've added language to our appropriations bills last year demanding accountability because much of the funding that was going to the Ukraine in that first bill
00:25:52.300was for NGOs and for non-defense spending and humanitarian aid.
00:25:58.660It was not specifically for weapons and for tanks and for and for missiles.
00:26:06.120So we have to get accountability there.
00:26:08.600I'm confident that there is a majority that is willing to support that accountability.
00:26:14.660And it might not come from Foreign Affairs Committee.
00:26:17.880It might come from the Appropriations Committee.
00:26:19.800It might come from the Armed Services Committee.
00:26:22.740But we recognize that we represent Americans and the dollars that they have worked so hard for.
00:26:31.600And we have to make sure that everyone that has been spent is accounted for.
00:26:37.180Yeah, I mean, here's tenth of a trillion dollars more than that, which is not, as they say, chicken feed.
00:26:43.840Right. And the American people have no idea what is being spent on.
00:26:47.700They have no idea of what is really happening.
00:26:50.600There have been no hearings on Ukraine and the U.S. role in it.
00:26:55.060We have watched a couple of the national security folks come over from the White House and say nothing.
00:27:06.900And I'm obviously I'm talking about Tony Blinken and Jake Sullivan.
00:27:13.760We seem to we seem to need to do better.
00:27:17.360And I hope this Congress will be the Congress that does it.
00:27:20.040But there has to be a way to get back to the days of accountability and oversight that is meaningful and also assure that the American public's right to know is honored.
00:27:34.460Mike, I brought up Mike McCall's name because he talked about the American people need to be educated on Ukraine.
00:27:39.460I would say to you, I think the Congress needs to be educated on Ukraine and the foreign policy that we have toward Russia versus the foreign policy we have against our number one enemy, which is China.
00:27:50.940This is there's a great mindlessness at work and and arrogance and condescension on the part of any any Republican right now is unwelcome because we're being used to being ignored by a Democratic Congress.
00:28:06.480We sure as hell don't want to be by a Republican Congress.
00:28:09.460And we do have to recognize that our true adversary is China.
00:28:15.000The great challenge to the 21st century is China.
00:28:21.020And we have to make sure that we keep our eyes focused on that.
00:28:26.900And that's why the creation of this new select committee is so important.
00:28:31.220Mike Gallagher is very clear eyed in the danger that that China poses to us.
00:28:37.400And so I'm confident that he's going to do a great job in coordinating among all of the committees of jurisdiction.
00:28:44.980You know, everybody likes to defend their turf.
00:28:47.080And so there are going to be a lot of people kind of chafing a little bit at this new committee.
00:28:53.940And and Mike McCall is going to be sharing jurisdiction over this China committee as well.
00:29:01.080But when it comes to Ukraine, we do have to recognize that we have to account for every dollar that we do want to make sure that.
00:29:13.240That we cooperate with our NATO allies, but that it's not an open ended checkbook that our NATO allies have not lived up to their required commitments of two percent of GDP for defense.
00:29:30.780And that's a whole nother conversation.
00:29:33.960But that's an important one, because we are not the piggy bank for the defense of Europe.
00:29:42.980It's about shared, shared investment in the security of Europe.
00:29:49.360And the member states of Europe have to have to step up along with the United States in any scenario like that.
00:29:57.160Wasn't it a remarkable statement today by the former prime minister of the UK, Boris Johnson, calling on, quote, unquote, the West to step up and get weapons to Ukraine right now and pay the pay whatever price is required to make that happen.
00:30:14.480He was talking directly to the United States and those in charge of the of our budget and our appropriations and our treasury to open our hearts wide without any participation or proportional responsibility on the part of the Europeans and NATO, as you say.
00:30:34.560We are we are we're now in pre-Trump days in which they are asking the United States to be both the policemen of the of the world as well as their bankers.
00:30:51.520They have forgotten all too well the lessons of just a few years ago where Trump made it very clear that those commitments needed to be lift up to when it comes to making sure that they contribute their fair share toward the security of their own continent.
00:31:11.220And so I think that a Republican House is prepared to deliver that message once again.
00:31:19.780It's it's important that we stand for the American people and not for the people of Great Britain and not for the people of Germany and not for the people of Sweden.
00:31:34.280But instead, we look at the situation in Europe, the situation in Ukraine with very clear eyes.
00:31:44.800And again, as I said, our top challenge must be China.
00:31:49.840We have we have to recognize that we do not have an open checkbook.
00:31:54.640We cannot simply spend unlimited sums in defense of a nation in Europe when our greatest challenge is half a world away in Asia.
00:32:05.580So we have to take all that into consideration and forcing these countries who are our friends in NATO to contribute their fair share is a an important part of that conversation.
00:32:19.140Well, we are, as they say, in interesting times, but also complex and dangerous times.
00:32:26.860It it seems at every turn we always give our guests, Congressman, the opportunity for the last word.
00:32:35.020So I have really enjoyed our conversation.
00:32:38.560I know the audience and I have learned a great deal.
00:32:42.760Congressman, if you would, your concluding thoughts today.
00:32:45.340Well, I'm grateful for the chance to talk to your many, many listeners about the issues that we're dealing with right now in this new Republican House.
00:32:55.560It's a messy process, you know, when you first come to the majority.
00:33:02.780We're getting everything prepared for aggressively pushing back against this administration, against the Senate, standing up for the American people, standing up for the conservative values that we ran on.
00:33:13.320And, you know, we've leveraged our small majority and as Freedom Caucus members have leveraged our even smaller numbers for great gains in the rules, in the appropriations process and the like.
00:33:27.180So I'm excited about the about the journey ahead.
00:33:33.760There are going to be some tough battles, but I'm optimistic and I look forward to reporting back to you on our successes, our failures and the way that we're standing up for the rights of the people in the in the new house and the 118th session.
00:33:56.020Thank you so much for your time and sharing your thoughts.
00:34:01.000And I want to say the courage of the Freedom Caucus in the bargaining, the negotiations with Speaker Kavanaugh over the future were marvelous to watch on television.
00:34:13.300I hope that you guys stay with C-SPAN because it was your benefit, the beneficiaries of C-SPAN in the open process.
00:34:30.240Our guest will be the Manhattan Institute's brilliant social critic, bestselling author and one of America's brightest conservative thinkers, Heather McDonald, as we take up race, culture, conservative values and the future of the republic.
00:34:46.060Heather McDonald will be with us here tomorrow.