The Great America Show - AMERICANS NEED TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING AND WHAT IS BEING DONE TO THEM, SAYS ATTORNEY KURT OLSEN

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to The Great America Show, and it is great to have you

00:00:05.040 with us. I want to talk with you about a reality that I think most Republicans, real Republicans,

00:00:11.400 not rhinos, are refusing to acknowledge, and it's important that we talk about it.

00:00:17.360 The Biden regime and the Marxist-Dem party mean to destroy us. You and me, fellow conservatives,

00:00:24.060 libertarians, independents, moderate Republicans, we all have to come to terms with the reality

00:00:30.200 that Democrats are unified in their demand for conformity and their ambition to take down

00:00:37.020 America. They are Marxists. They are Marxists. I repeat, Marxists. They are totalitarian,

00:00:45.080 and they look upon us as their enemy, while most Republicans see Democrats as simply the opposition

00:00:51.720 party. Too many see these destroyers as the loyal opposition in a two-party system. Instead of the

00:00:59.840 Marxists, they are. Marxists who mean to destroy the Republican party, to establish Marxist authoritarian

00:01:07.140 government, and work in absolute harmony with the globalist elites of the new world order. And we

00:01:14.560 have to understand, the American business establishment is working with the Marxist-led

00:01:19.720 Democrat party against what is now the populist Republican party. And both European and Chinese

00:01:26.740 leadership mean to, at the very least, diminish, if not outright destroy, U.S. world leadership and

00:01:34.440 replace this great republic with a centralized totalitarian government. Call it what you will.

00:01:40.480 It was in the context of these realities that President Trump, over the weekend, gave an almost

00:01:47.760 two-hour-long speech at CPAC. Trump telling the conservative conference that Republicans have

00:01:54.720 been led by freaks, neocons, and open-border zealots and fools. End quote. The audience cheered and 1.00

00:02:02.460 applauded President Trump loudly when he promised the Republican party would not go back to being the

00:02:08.760 party of Paul Ryan, Karl Rove, and Jeb Bush. And bad news for the oligarch donors who are pushing

00:02:16.140 Governor DeSantis, former Governor Nikki Haley, and others to run against the former president.

00:02:23.020 Trump outright crushed the CPAC straw poll, winning 62 percent of the votes. DeSantis was a distant,

00:02:31.340 disappointing second. Pick up. DeSantis was a distant second with 20 percent. And third was the almost

00:02:39.940 unheard of Michigan businessman Perry Johnson with 5 percent. Pompeo and Haley tied with 3 percent each.

00:02:49.340 And Vivek Ramaswamy had 1 percent. No question, President Trump is the leader of the Republican party

00:02:56.640 and means to win in 2024. His base is obviously still with him, much to the discomfort of the

00:03:03.860 Republican establishment and oligarch donors. And of course, the Marxist Dems who've been 0.63

00:03:09.980 politically persecuting President Trump for almost seven years now. Our guest today is conservative

00:03:16.960 attorney Kurt Olson, who's represented President Trump, Mike Lindell, Carrie Lake. Kurt is also a

00:03:23.540 former U.S. Navy SEAL. Kurt, great to have you back with us. Your take on the political atmospherics

00:03:29.440 that are heating up by the day. Well, Lou, I think one of the things that you're seeing right now is

00:03:36.440 an increase in the tempo to go after President Trump, both legally, through the media, and whether it is

00:03:45.760 the investigation by Jack Smith or the grand jury in Fulton County, Georgia. You saw the grand jury

00:03:55.920 forewoman who went on her media tour briefly talking about, you know, coming recommended indictments and

00:04:03.480 so forth. But I think what you're seeing is that this is very much focused on President Trump and his run

00:04:11.340 for the 2024 nomination that is going to be fought both by the Democrats, obviously, but also by the

00:04:19.460 Republican establishment. And specifically, the coming coronation or attempted coronation of DeSantis.

00:04:30.240 I think there's just a lot of positioning behind the scenes and anything that they can do

00:04:35.040 to diminish to diminish President Trump, whether it's through legal action or the media, they're

00:04:42.020 going to attempt. I think it's going to be an interesting next year and a half as they try these

00:04:47.660 different machinations to stop him. President Trump came out today and just hammered Fox News and

00:04:56.740 Rupert Murdoch and tying it all to the 2020 election. And he is the first person to stand up against

00:05:07.020 the establishment here, if you will, and say, look, it is still a rigged election. It is still a stolen

00:05:15.680 election. And the facts support him in so many ways. Your thoughts, and I know that you represent

00:05:25.440 Carrie Lake. And I want to get a sense of where you stand with her case. Well, I do think that the

00:05:32.680 elections have been rigged for quite some time. 2020, it just became, I think, readily apparent to

00:05:38.660 everyone. And it's continued since. You know, specifically with respect to Carrie's case in the

00:05:45.400 November 2022 election, it's very apparent. And you can see it just from the undisputed facts.

00:05:52.180 And so our case, we are going to be filing our petition to review the Court of Appeals

00:05:59.300 affirmation of the dismissal of our claims. We're going to be filing that petition for review

00:06:05.340 in the Arizona Supreme Court today. But in terms of rigging an election, I'll give you two examples that

00:06:12.360 are at issue. And it's very clear. Tain of custody is something that is critical to maintaining the

00:06:21.260 security of mail-in voting. Now that mail-in voting is becoming, you know, being pushed more and more,

00:06:27.340 that is something that the Carter Baker Commission back in 2005 was the most likely source of voter

00:06:34.760 fraud because you don't know who's actually casting and sending in the vote. Chain of custody is one way

00:06:43.440 to ensure that fake ballots are not being inserted in or that genuine ballots are not being pulled out.

00:06:52.240 In Carrie's case, Maricopa sends its ballots when they come into their central count.

00:06:59.840 Before they tabulate them, they send them up to a third-party processor called Runbeck Election

00:07:04.960 Services, where Runbeck scans the signatures on the ballot envelopes, which are used for the signature

00:07:11.580 verification process. And then they send those ballots back to Maricopa Central Count, where there

00:07:18.380 are tabulated and counted. Well, the undisputed evidence shows that Maricopa violated chain of

00:07:26.860 custody, and they're required under the law to know the exact number of ballots that they're sending up

00:07:33.100 to Runbeck before they send them, which makes sense. You want to have an accurate count of when it gets out

00:07:38.860 of your custody. They didn't. They estimated it. But Runbeck did record on what are called delivery

00:07:46.780 receipts the number of ballots they received from Maricopa. Those receipts show that Runbeck recorded

00:07:54.540 receiving 263,379 ballots. Runbeck also records how many ballots they then scan and ship back to Maricopa

00:08:07.900 for tabulation. Those recordings showed 298,942 ballots being shipped back. So there's a 35,000

00:08:18.540 edition of ballots while the ballots were at Runbeck. 35,000 additional ballots were inserted

00:08:26.380 and sent back for tabulation. It's indisputable. As a matter of fact, the documents that I'm referring to

00:08:32.140 were offered by the defendants in support of their opposition to our appeal at the Court of Appeals,

00:08:38.060 which the Court of Appeals completely ignored that evidence, just completely ignored it.

00:08:45.340 And that's a very simple, I mean, if that doesn't show a rigged election, I don't know what does.

00:08:51.660 And you're before the Supreme Court now. The Arizona Supreme Court. What is your basic

00:09:00.780 understanding of what you expect to happen from here on? Well, this appeal is not a matter of right.

00:09:09.220 So it's within the discretion of the Arizona Supreme Court to take the case or not. When you're at a state

00:09:15.820 Supreme Court or the U.S. Supreme Court, they're not just interested in correcting a wrong decision by

00:09:24.420 the lower appellate court. They're also looking at what precedent does that opinion set. And so that's

00:09:30.860 very important from a Supreme Court review because, as you know, in the law, appellate court decisions

00:09:36.540 and other lower court decisions are considered precedent. They can be used to justify future

00:09:42.060 actions and things like that by people as well as resolving any conflicts. And so in this particular

00:09:49.820 case, not only is it wrong, but the Court of Appeals basically ratified Maricopa's violation of

00:09:58.300 Arizona's election laws on chain of custody. And so the consequences of this, if allowed to stand,

00:10:05.600 would be far reaching. So in the future, what the Court of Appeals said is,

00:10:10.380 you don't really need to follow these laws that the legislature mandated that are critical to election

00:10:17.280 security. So what do you expect to happen? What can they do? As it stands right now,

00:10:24.940 Carrie Lake has been defeated. Can that, is there such a thing as a redo? How does she get made whole 1.00

00:10:33.760 if the Arizona Supreme Court agrees with you? Well, under the law, the election in Maricopa,

00:10:40.380 would be set aside. Now we have also, in that case, if it was just purely set aside,

00:10:46.800 then those votes in Maricopa would be thrown out. And then the votes in the remaining counties in

00:10:53.080 Arizona, that result would be the final result, in which case, Carrie would win. We've also asked,

00:11:00.960 though, as a relief measure for a new election to be held in Maricopa, not run by these

00:11:09.540 votes, at best, incompetent officials, but a new election to be held. And that would moot any

00:11:17.460 argument that voters might be disenfranchised by this decision. But the law is, Arizona law,

00:11:26.220 is that the election must be set aside when there is misconduct or illegal votes. And we clearly show

00:11:31.060 that here, just on that one example alone, there are additional examples as well, of course.

00:11:36.580 Is that before the court as well, those other examples?

00:11:38.900 Yes.

00:11:39.580 Okay. So, irrespective of your call for a redo as well as the set aside, it's up to the Supreme Court,

00:11:50.680 whether or not to, obviously, it would seem to me the Supreme Court would want to follow the state law,

00:11:55.960 one would hope, because that is, after all, what's at stake here, is regulation and law and the degree

00:12:02.880 to which it's not followed. It seems like it would be somewhat ironic if the Supreme Court were to

00:12:07.900 take a position that is counter to the original law that's written there. Am I wrong?

00:12:15.460 No, you're not. And I'll give you an example. I mean, the chain of custody law that I'm referring to

00:12:20.880 specifically says as follows, when the secure container in which the ballots are held is opened

00:12:29.100 by the county officials, the number of ballots shall be counted and recorded on the ballot retrieval form,

00:12:38.380 close quote. The Arizona Supreme Court, in looking at that statute, said when the secure container

00:12:46.420 is opened, does not impose a strict time requirement to count the ballots.

00:12:54.760 Secondly, the provision to count the number of ballots and note it on the retrieval form,

00:13:02.700 the court of appeals held that an estimate satisfies that requirement. So, you know, it's basically

00:13:12.600 what the court of appeals ruling does with that holding is it guts that law. I mean, it's clear cut.

00:13:18.660 There's just common English language. You know, when the secure container is open, you count it.

00:13:24.560 That's pretty clear. You don't count it a day later. You count it when it's open, because that's how you

00:13:30.780 maintain secure chain of custody. You have to know what it is so that somebody hasn't then inserted or removed

00:13:36.740 ballots illegally. And in terms of counting the number of ballots, if you just have an

00:13:42.540 estimate, how do you know what how can you follow any kind of chain of custody? You can't. And so

00:13:47.740 that's a very simple, straightforward requirement. And it's a straightforward, you know, plain English

00:13:53.760 language in terms of its its read. And so the court of appeals, how they, you know, did somersaults and

00:14:01.300 with a triple twist to to get around it is has far reaching effects in the future.

00:14:07.680 Far reaching effects. And it brings up this question. Is the court system in Arizona? Is it

00:14:15.540 straight up or is it somewhat, I'll put it this way, prejudiced?

00:14:21.420 Well, I think you've seen from the beginning of the 2020 election challenges where, you know,

00:14:27.820 well over 50 of them were all dismissed on on the issue of standing. The courts didn't even want to

00:14:34.660 touch the cases. So the issue of standing, which is where you avoid addressing the merits of the case,

00:14:41.480 getting into the facts and just say, you know, the plaintiff does not does not suffer any relief

00:14:48.100 is not properly before the court does not did not suffer an injury. You know, that was the kind of

00:14:53.440 excuse that was used to push all of these election cases, which had which across the country, across the

00:15:00.700 country, which had substantial evidence of illegal voting and election fraud. And this was just part

00:15:07.980 of the way that that many in the judiciary, whether they, they just didn't want to deal with it, they

00:15:14.720 were, you know, because of cancel culture and, and, you know, media pressure, and maybe even peer

00:15:21.660 pressure or something more nefarious. They, these are, were intellectually dishonest decisions in many,

00:15:28.340 many cases, I think in the vast majority. And so I, you know, judges are people too. And they're subject

00:15:35.540 to the same pressures, the same prejudices. And you're not making it feel any better here. You

00:15:43.600 know that, right? Yeah. I mean, I, my, my Senate, when I first got into the law in 1992, I graduated law

00:15:52.020 school. And I was so honored. I'd been in the Navy before to be a lawyer. And it was a big deal. I

00:16:00.060 started out at a firm called Kirkland and Ellis and at the top tier firm, super, super ethical lawyers

00:16:08.520 there. And my faith in the judiciary from your, from your lips to God's ears. Yeah, they, they were,

00:16:17.340 it was just a, it was a terrific firm back then. I, I can't say enough good things about it. I mean,

00:16:22.180 and to the point where, I mean, I'll give you just one quick example. I was on the team.

00:16:26.880 We were national trial counsel for Dow Corning in the breast and plant litigation.

00:16:31.840 We were tasked with reviewing all of the internal documents of Dow Corning, many of which had been

00:16:40.480 marked as privileged and confidential, but did not justify. And some of them would be harmful in,

00:16:46.140 if they were disclosed. And I can remember sitting with the partner there and we're looking at that

00:16:51.400 and saying, this is not provision because you're absolutely right. Off it gets disclosed. So there

00:16:55.660 was never a hint of trying to cover anything up. And that's the type of ethos that when I first

00:17:04.580 started, I felt existed. What I started with Kirkland Ellis. Pardon me? I say you started with Kirkland

00:17:11.860 Ellis. Yes. Yeah. Well, that's a, that's a powerful firm to start at. So congratulations

00:17:17.120 to you. Yeah, I was really happy back then. I, and I, and I have to say my experience with

00:17:22.800 Kirkland Ellis has mirrored your own. Let me, let me turn, if I may, to, to how soon you expect a

00:17:31.220 disposition, a judgment, a decision from the Arizona Supreme Court on, on gubernatorial candidate,

00:17:38.640 Carrie Lake. I think we will know if the Arizona Supreme Court is interested in taking it within

00:17:46.280 probably two or three weeks. The case has been, law does not move, the wheels of justice did not

00:17:52.760 move quickly. However, in this case, at the speed of law, they have, it has been moving quickly.

00:17:59.960 And so we filed an appeal on December 31st. The court of appeals issued an order on January 3rd,

00:18:07.920 expedited briefing. The court of appeals hurt, you know, went into conference, uh, to review all the

00:18:13.260 briefs on February 1st. The decision was issued on February 16th. We've now filed our petition. So I

00:18:19.740 think that we will know, uh, what the Supreme court is likely to do in the next couple of weeks.

00:18:26.800 What, uh, do you have recourse, uh, after the Arizona Supreme court?

00:18:32.520 We do. We do have the ability with these claims to petition the U S Supreme court for a writ of

00:18:38.500 certiori. Now, those are, you know, very difficult. Yeah, those are there. They get about 10,000

00:18:44.860 petitions a year and they take, you know, 50 to 75. I mean, the issues here are worthy of

00:18:51.440 the U S Supreme court weighing in should the Arizona Supreme court not take the case.

00:18:58.160 Good. Well, I, you know, obviously I I'm wishing you all the luck in the world, uh, here all the

00:19:03.900 best of luck. Uh, I, I, I do want to take, we've got so much to cover. Uh, but I have to say this,

00:19:11.380 you're talking about the speed of law and that justice, uh, you know, takes time. Uh, we have a

00:19:18.360 crisis in this country, no one is talking about, and that is the amount of time that lawyers and

00:19:24.440 judges, the judicial system is taking to reach decisions and to dispose of cases, uh, uh, first

00:19:32.940 fairly and honestly, but even that is in question all across the country as well. But when it takes

00:19:39.660 years to go through trial after trial, and I'm talking about civil trials, I I'm talking about,

00:19:46.240 uh, felony trials of all kinds, capital crimes, it doesn't seem to matter. Courts have decided that,

00:19:53.820 uh, attorneys are paid by the hour and they're going to make them all wealthy. Uh, and I'm only

00:19:58.460 being partly sardonic and sarcastic with that, but I just want to get a quick response from you on,

00:20:04.880 on, on justice here. Well, there is the old saying, justice, justice delayed is justice denied.

00:20:12.860 And it is an issue with the courts. Now that, you know, many of the, those in the judiciary will say

00:20:17.940 that, you know, they're overwhelmed, that there are open, uh, vacancies that have not been filled.

00:20:23.400 And I'm talking about the federal judiciary. I am too, primarily the federal. Yeah. And so there is

00:20:30.480 that, uh, there is a very heavy caseload and courts, the chief justice, you know, of each,

00:20:37.060 you know, federal district court, often they will set rules for the, uh, the district court judges

00:20:42.460 and they'll monitor the, the, uh, the progress of cases now. And if a ruling is not issued within

00:20:49.260 a year, you know, little red flags will go off, but it was on, it was unheard of 50 years ago that a

00:20:56.560 case would take three years. Uh, it's commonplace now and it's outrageous. It's, it's, first of all,

00:21:04.000 it shows the indolence of the system. Uh, it may also show that judges and the system is overwhelmed,

00:21:09.540 but the federal government spends, uh, hundreds of billions of dollars and doesn't even account for

00:21:15.060 it. What would be wrong with spending a couple of billion dollars and expanding the justice system

00:21:20.440 so that we could have, uh, uh, there could be consequences and judgments and results rather

00:21:28.280 than this nonsense of just going through process after process. No one trusts the judges. No one

00:21:33.740 trusts the courts. Well, I think those are two, two separate issues. I mean, there's a reason why

00:21:39.900 people don't trust the judges and the courts. No, no, I understand, but I'm, I'm talking about just the,

00:21:44.920 I'm talking about the delay and it just seems like it's one morass of one kind or another.

00:21:50.320 It's a moral, uh, morass. It is a, an issue of effectiveness, uh, and a system that seems to

00:21:57.360 be rigged against, uh, against anyone who is not a partisan of the same party as the, as the judges.

00:22:05.980 I, I, uh, have experienced that myself in terms of what is the solution, certainly expanding

00:22:14.560 the court system with additional resources would be helpful on the surface. But the trick is to get

00:22:20.900 quality people who are going to issue, uh, honest decisions, you know, based on the law.

00:22:27.960 And so you, you have to take that into account, you know, if there would be, you know, a rapid

00:22:33.880 expansion, uh, that there are quality people to fulfill it because otherwise you're going, I think

00:22:39.100 it would be made. No, no, obviously I, I, but what I'm saying is if we don't have quality, and by the

00:22:44.120 way, I think probably one of the real problems is about three fourths of attorneys are, uh, Marxist

00:22:49.720 Democrats, uh, in this country. So expanding from that base would not be a brilliant idea quite to

00:22:56.380 take your point on that. Yeah. I mean, I think the judiciary and the system is a reflection of the

00:23:04.960 overall state of the country that we're in. And so it's just like the military, the judiciary,

00:23:13.120 and other, uh, institutions and branches of government are a reflection of the people and the

00:23:21.500 society that we have now. And I've seen a marked decline in ethics amongst lawyers at top law firms,

00:23:30.260 things that would have gotten me fired as a young associate at Kirkland are de rigger now. And I'm

00:23:37.100 talking about, you know, for example, when, you know, in a brief, citing a case and falsely stating

00:23:43.720 what the opinion held. Yeah. And, you know, lawyers rely on overworked judges not to check,

00:23:50.740 and they rely on overwhelmed, overwhelmed opponents not to check. And they just try to get by with it.

00:23:56.980 It's, I mean, look, it, it, it's depressing in many ways. I, I will, you know, just to be flat out,

00:24:02.560 there, there, there's a, been a decline in ethics in our society. And there's a decline also in,

00:24:09.780 in the, in the, uh, the integrity of our, our government. Uh, here is a statement, uh, that I'm

00:24:17.400 reading. The FBI now says it would take nearly six and a half years for it to release the thousands

00:24:24.160 of pages of FBI director Christopher Wray's emails that contained the word Trump over a four month period

00:24:31.500 that was requested in a freedom of information, uh, request. The center square submitted the FOIA on

00:24:40.100 August 8th following, uh, President Donald Trump's, uh, Mar-a-Lago raid by the FBI. Yeah. This is the

00:24:48.080 kind of nonsense that is going on. Christopher Wray, by the way, now says, by golly, he knew all along

00:24:55.300 that it was the Wuhan virology, uh, lab, uh, from which the China virus was launched upon the world. 0.71

00:25:03.900 How, how obvious and how pathetic, uh, by the way, I commend him for at least acknowledging what

00:25:10.120 everybody in America who paid any attention knew, uh, during the, the pandemic. It was the China virus. 0.91

00:25:16.460 It originated in China and it wasn't an accident that it originated in China. Uh, your thoughts about

00:25:22.760 Christopher Wray and this FBI. Well, let's, let's, let's take the, uh, the response to the FOIA

00:25:28.000 request. So I know a little bit about that. Uh, so it's actually only a little over 5,000 pages of

00:25:34.680 documents. And the request was for a very limited period from April 1st, 2022 to August 8th, 2022,

00:25:42.540 when the raid on Mar-a-Lago occurred. The idea that that would take six and a half years to review

00:25:49.500 is ludicrous. And it kind of exemplifies the fact that, you know, the government is no longer the

00:25:56.360 servant of the people. They are operating independently for their own benefit. And this

00:26:02.000 is clearly a coverup. And so that's just one example of the obstruction.

00:26:09.980 Let me give you another, let me give you another, Kurt, uh, Ty Clevenger, uh, civil rights attorney

00:26:17.420 FOIA. Uh, uh, he, he launches FOIA investigations, uh, seeking the truth all of the time. He is a

00:26:26.140 great American. He has been fighting for years to get documents on, uh, the, uh, a number of cases.

00:26:35.880 And guess what? We find out that the young man who was murdered in 2016, who was an employee of the

00:26:42.980 DNC, we find out that Seth Rich, uh, had a laptop, had a laptop. And it turns out there weren't one,

00:26:53.600 but two laptops. And secondly, we find out after that, that the FBI was in possession of at least

00:27:02.240 one of those laptops. That took him years. I believe, I believe it's correct to say three

00:27:08.480 years to get through that. Uh, and this is only now coming to light and we are now seven years,

00:27:16.940 almost seven years distance from the murder of that young man. What make you of that?

00:27:22.760 Again, it's, it is just an example of the FBI, like several institutions that are basically

00:27:32.240 operating for their own benefit and not for the American people. Institutions are made of people.

00:27:37.960 They have now, uh, and if those people are ethical, then the institutions operate effectively and within

00:27:45.800 the law. If they're not, then you're doing what you're just talking about. Now they are covering up

00:27:51.080 and hiding. And by the way, that three and a half years with regard to Seth Rich,

00:27:56.000 there've been a number of FOIA requests, and I'm not sure of all the ones by, uh, Ty Clevenger,

00:28:00.700 but the FBI actually denied having documents about Seth Rich.

00:28:05.560 Oh, they did not. They, that's what part of the problem was. They lied. They lied to Ty Clevenger,

00:28:13.640 attorney at law, officer of the court and citizen of the United States of America.

00:28:19.600 And when you say that, you know, there are still people too, we have always said in this country

00:28:25.640 until the last quarter century, certainly that we are a nation of laws. We have become a nation of

00:28:33.240 very frail, uh, and, uh, undisciplined and wanton, wanton, uh, wantonly corrupt, uh, people in our

00:28:45.860 government. It is disgusting. It is appalling. And here we are. And then we keep going through the 0.99

00:28:52.300 same processes of law, but they're under the control of the very people who have corrupted

00:28:58.120 our government, who have infiltrated our government and now hold it hostage.

00:29:02.500 Well, look at, look at special agent McGonigal or former special agent McGonigal, the New York,

00:29:08.140 uh, he was the counterintelligence head in the New York. Yes. FBI office who was recently arrested

00:29:14.960 for essentially, I believe taking bribes from Russian oligarchs. And he was one of the primary,

00:29:22.160 uh, instigators of the Russia hoax against president Trump. He was helping lead the effort,

00:29:28.460 which they knew was a frame up, which was based on false, on false documents from, uh, Christopher

00:29:37.080 Steele, uh, which was, which was originated in the DNC and the Clinton campaign. And of course,

00:29:45.260 a law firm, because we have to have law firms, Perkins Coy, the, the democratic party's favorite

00:29:52.320 law firm with a, with a portal to the center of the FBI. It's outrageous. And, and you know what,

00:29:59.540 these stories show up for about five minutes in the national press, if they do show up at all.

00:30:04.700 And then they're, they're whisked away from the memories and minds, and certainly the, uh, the

00:30:11.580 immediate consciousness of, uh, American citizens who otherwise would be beside themselves outraged

00:30:19.820 and do something about it and demand change, but they demand change from those they elect.

00:30:24.260 And those they elect are just as wantonly corrupt in many cases. And the cycle goes on.

00:30:32.220 That's true. But I do think that there are good people now who are getting involved in politics

00:30:37.260 who I don't think go to, are going to go to Washington and become part of the corrupt system.

00:30:43.620 Oh, I, I, I, and so I, I, I agree with you a hundred percent. I agree with you a hundred percent,

00:30:48.720 but this, this is, there are good people within the FBI too. There are good people across America,

00:30:55.000 many millions of good people, but our government is under the control of a deep state who are,

00:31:04.060 frankly, uh, they're Marxist and philosophy and, and can't, uh, and they are running our government.

00:31:12.040 I can't think of an agency that isn't corrupted by political operatives, uh, with a Marxist,

00:31:20.080 uh, basic Marxist ideology. It's, it's everywhere.

00:31:26.000 Well, you look at how these institutions aligned themselves against president Trump,

00:31:30.980 who was uncontrollable and was unabashedly pro-American, was calling out the deep state

00:31:36.880 for their operations, for their basically, uh, helping, helping to destroy America for their own 0.90

00:31:44.920 gain. And so whether it is the, you know, the outsourcing of manufacturing, uh, to overseas,

00:31:51.820 whether it is the domestic spying operations, I mean, you can go through example after example,

00:31:57.140 not just even, you know, so with respect to president Trump, but I'm sure you remember a CBS

00:32:02.220 reporter by the name of Sheryl Atkinson. I do. Sheryl Atkinson. Very good investigative reporter.

00:32:09.640 And do you recall when she saw her computer operating on its own around two in the morning

00:32:15.240 and immediately notified CBS who was her then employer, they brought in, uh, cyber experts who

00:32:22.960 determined that there was the access that she had been hacked in with could only be done by a nation

00:32:28.900 state actor. She then, uh, several, a couple of years later sued Rod Rosenstein, who was then the

00:32:35.120 U S attorney of Maryland and several other FBI officials for hacking into her personal computer.

00:32:43.340 And the case against Rod Rosenstein, I believe was dismissed last year, but against some of the

00:32:50.080 other individuals, I, I believe it's still ongoing, but this is the level of corruption that exists

00:32:56.780 within the government and that, you know, president Trump stood against, but he was one person and

00:33:06.160 one person cannot fight this tide by themselves. And, you know, hopefully, you know, I'm, I'm a, uh,

00:33:16.260 an unapologetic support of the president and, and everything he did during his term in office.

00:33:21.780 And I pray that he gets in, in 2024, because I think he is the only candidate that is not controlled

00:33:30.540 by any of the establishment deep state interests, and that will do what's best for the American people.

00:33:38.980 Well, that's what he did, uh, in the first, uh, his first term. And it would, there's no reason to

00:33:45.420 think he wouldn't do, uh, exactly as well. And perhaps even unimaginably better than he did in the

00:33:51.760 first term in his second. And, uh, and by the way, the polls are reflecting what you're saying.

00:33:57.020 His base isn't deserting him at all. His base, that is working men and women in this country,

00:34:02.580 uh, hardworking, small business people, uh, the middle class in this country and those who aspire

00:34:09.400 to it. Those are Trump's Trump's folks. That's his base. And it's widening independence, minorities,

00:34:17.220 you name it. They're going to Trump. They understand what Biden and the Marxist Dems have

00:34:23.540 become and who is responsible for all of the calamity that's befallen this country over the

00:34:29.500 past two years, whether it's open borders, whether it's, uh, on just unrestricted, uh, uh, crossings

00:34:37.920 of our border, six, as many as 6 million illegal immigrants. We don't know where they are or what

00:34:43.440 they're doing all at the design of this puppet president who's under the control. I'm sure

00:34:48.860 of a, of a cabal of Marxist leftists, uh, who are directing this country toward, uh, whatever

00:34:57.440 devastation they can, they can possibly manage. Let, let's turn to it. If we may, this showdown

00:35:04.960 that's been reported between the FBI and the justice department in the months leading up to

00:35:11.600 Mar-a-Lago in the Washington post, the headline is this, Kurt showdown before the raid, FBI agents

00:35:18.780 and prosecutors argued over Trump and the head of the Washington field office who was previously the

00:35:25.620 head of the, uh, Detroit field office and managed to put together that, uh, that I would call it

00:35:33.220 entrapment of those folks who were accused of, uh, wanting to kidnap the, uh, the, uh, the governor of

00:35:41.220 Michigan. He is the one who comes out. You mean the one where there were, there were 12 FBI agents

00:35:48.460 trying to entrap six individuals to convince them to, uh, to kidnap Governor Whitmer? Yeah. That,

00:35:55.720 that incident? Yeah. That, that's the one. Yeah. But he, in this article turns out to be the white knight,

00:36:01.040 the savior. He's standing, he's standing at the bridge and he, uh, trying to stop the nasty, uh,

00:36:08.500 justice department, uh, because he felt that the, for months, by the way, they had this internal fight,

00:36:14.620 apparently, according to the post reporting, because he thought it would be unseemly for the FBI to show

00:36:20.300 up with their FBI, uh, emblazoned jackets, uh, and with, uh, guns, uh, uh, you know, at the ready,

00:36:28.080 uh, as they piled out of their big black, uh, SUVs at Mar-a-Lago and take, take, uh, all of the

00:36:35.260 documents they could find in the president's, uh, residence, uh, and his, uh, office there in

00:36:41.900 Mar-a-Lago. Uh, this is a piece of, to me, it's a piece of PR management that is just, you know,

00:36:50.220 it's a, it's actually a, some, I would give it a B plus in terms of quality, uh, but, uh, it flunks

00:36:57.260 on just the, the fact they were unaware in the article that they're revealing that this was six

00:37:04.800 months in the planning, the making, the discuss, the discussing, and arguing over the, what they

00:37:12.580 did, uh, in the, uh, dark of night on August 8th, uh, of, of 2022. It's just extraordinary.

00:37:22.200 Well, it certainly has the hallmark of somebody trying to get ahead of a coming story and to

00:37:29.020 portray themselves in a good light. Now, perhaps, perhaps this was true. The Washington Post, however,

00:37:34.800 you know, is a mouth mouthpiece and it is a propaganda outlet. So this leak is, uh, probably

00:37:42.500 has an ulterior, uh, motive. I do think it's important, you know, in the context of framing

00:37:48.440 this to remember the documents that are at issue that were taken from Mar-a-Lago. It wasn't as if

00:37:55.580 president Trump or his assistants walked out of the white house with these documents and kept them

00:38:01.920 in his garage like Joe Biden did. These documents that were seized were packaged and sent to Mar-a-Lago

00:38:08.740 by the National Archives and the GSA. And they were stored in a secure compartment, a skiff,

00:38:17.040 you know, under the protection of the Secret Service, by the way, which Mar-a-Lago is.

00:38:21.000 So the very fact that this whole operation was being ginned up is a farce.

00:38:27.980 Yeah, it is.

00:38:28.960 This isn't like Joe Biden keeping documents in his garage that he took home, stuffed in his pants or

00:38:33.900 whatever he did with them. These documents at Mar-a-Lago, every step of the way, the government

00:38:41.260 was involved in packaging them up and sending them to the president where they were securely stored.

00:38:47.280 So why there was any of this is just complete nonsense.

00:38:51.460 And you'll be pleased to know that Christopher Wray, talking about the reputation of the FBI,

00:38:59.720 he said about the Hunter laptop and the Trump raid January 6th and so forth, just a few minor items.

00:39:09.180 He still has the temerity to stay with a straight face, quote, we're on the American people's side.

00:39:16.480 He forgot to mention what the attorney general had done, which is to set up American parents

00:39:22.320 as the perpetrators when they appear before school boards. This is a, I cannot tell you the

00:39:31.160 rotten stench that is emanating from the Justice Department and the FBI. It is disgusting. I cannot, 0.99

00:39:39.660 it is, they are just revulsive. Your thoughts?

00:39:45.220 Yeah, no, it's, you can see what they're, these are just platitudes. And so that's all he did.

00:39:52.820 So you had parents, for example, the example you just mentioned, who were at a school board, 0.93

00:39:58.220 and one of whom who was protesting the fact that his daughter was raped by a transgender student 0.80

00:40:03.180 going into a girl's bathroom and the school board covered it up. And what was particularly atrocious 0.94

00:40:11.600 about Christopher Wray's comments on this, you know, his plot is, oh, we would never, you know,

00:40:17.740 go after parents for doing something like this, but we will go after violence. So he's implicitly

00:40:23.920 labeling parents who are upset and angry at clearly government misconduct and clear wrongs.

00:40:32.080 And he's kind of injecting the violence and the twist of words that he used to inject that, well,

00:40:37.620 we're just, you know, we're going to go after violence, implying that the parents were, well,

00:40:42.020 these parents weren't, you know, bringing guns. They weren't threatening to shoot. They weren't

00:40:46.140 threatening to blow up people, God forbid. They weren't, you know, burning down the school board

00:40:51.160 meeting like Black Lives Matter and Antifa. And where is the FBI on that?

00:40:56.280 By the way, what you're saying is news to many parts of the FBI,

00:40:59.460 because as those whistleblowers have testified, and we have learned already,

00:41:05.080 the FBI field offices have been ordered by FBI Washington to look at all of the instances that

00:41:16.220 could be considered domestic terrorism and to construct it as such. All of this crap coming out 0.98

00:41:23.500 of the Justice Department and the FBI, you know, I don't know what the percentage is, but my guess 0.99

00:41:30.860 more than half of it is pure nonsense and a fiction of phony bookkeeping on the part

00:41:37.240 of the Washington office of the FBI, because they are actually having the field offices doctor their

00:41:47.580 reports and their documents. And by the way, that's a practice longstanding. And the FBI

00:41:53.480 just asked General Michael Flynn.

00:41:57.460 Well, there's a reason why, for example, with General Flynn and the FBI's practices in general,

00:42:02.620 if you're familiar with the 302 investigation, there's a reason why they interview people and

00:42:08.200 they don't tape it. So when they fill out a 302 form, it's the agents, the interviewing agents'

00:42:13.760 recollection of what was said. But in this modern day and age, you could tape something. And so there

00:42:19.840 would be no doubt. And that, of course, you know, and if you look at the FBI with him, they concluded

00:42:26.140 internally, we found out, that General Flynn was not being deceptive. Yet they persecuted him anyway.

00:42:32.660 Well, they knew what he was, and they framed him. And they framed him actually twice with the August

00:42:38.860 effort by the FBI. Then subsequently, in January of 2017. It's just, it's a sad and disgusting story,

00:42:53.880 what they did to a great American, General Michael Flynn. And again, it just, you know, to watch a

00:43:03.040 swarmy Christopher Wray stand there and fence with Brett Baer on Fox News as if it was a candid

00:43:12.360 interview. Did you see the interview? I did. And I do want to go back to one of the items you

00:43:20.420 mentioned, which is Christopher Wray's revelation that the China virus likely came from a lab and that

00:43:28.260 they had known this all along and said that. And, you know, I think that anything you hear from the

00:43:34.600 government, an acknowledgement like that, that's not done because they want to get the truth out.

00:43:39.960 They're trying to distract from what the real truth is. So you give a little bit of something in this

00:43:46.800 case saying that what we always knew. But if you notice, what's not really being discussed is the fact

00:43:52.360 that Fauci funded the Wuhan lab with millions of dollars, that the Pentagon funded the Wuhan lab with

00:43:59.800 millions of dollars, that other U.S. contractors, EcoHealth Alliance were involved with Wuhan. The U.S.'s

00:44:08.440 involvement with the Wuhan lab is extensive. And their involvement in particular with the coronavirus.

00:44:17.160 And that's not something that is being talked about. And it should be. But by all of a sudden,

00:44:25.360 you know, after two years of denial saying, oh, yeah, we knew all along it came from the lab and

00:44:30.360 trying to portray China as the boogeyman here, that deflects from what the true picture is as to

00:44:38.620 who within the United States government was involved with the Wuhan lab. You don't hear him talking about

00:44:46.360 that. No, you don't. And by the way, we have the capacity to understand all of the malignant actors

00:44:59.860 in this. And that includes, of course, and foremost, China, responsible for the deaths of a million 0.84

00:45:05.260 Americans, 7 million people around the world. And Xi Jinping never, ever once thought of issuing a

00:45:12.140 warning. Instead, he launched Chinese nationals on aircraft all over the world to spread the China 1.00

00:45:20.060 virus. And we had people in this country talking about it was racist and politically incorrect,

00:45:25.580 call it the China virus. It would be COVID-19. We have to take control of our language, our minds,

00:45:32.740 and our expression in this country, because we are quite, quite seriously on the verge of a crisis,

00:45:40.140 just in terms of honesty and direct communication. Used to be Americans were known all around the

00:45:45.800 world for being plain spoke and straightforward. And now we have people who start everything with,

00:45:51.360 well, I'm not a racist or I, it's not the, you know, whatever, there is a, a self sort of a self

00:45:57.500 defense statement that has to be made about every kind of thing or virtue signaling itself to just to put

00:46:03.960 up a shield in our, in our, in our communications. It's outrageous. We have got to return to who we

00:46:11.180 are. And our roots are just the simplest of any civilization in the countries and is straightforward.

00:46:19.020 We are plain spoken. We are honest. We're hardworking. We are brave and we stand up. What we have right now

00:46:27.080 is a whole part of our population have decided to be snowflakes. They have decided to be daffodils and lilies

00:46:34.620 and, uh, carry on as if they have, they had a lifelong guarantee of never being offended, irritated, or annoyed.

00:46:43.320 Uh, it's just, it's bizarre what we have allowed the left-wing media to do in this country

00:46:48.920 with the full support and direction of the Marxist Dem party.

00:46:54.480 Yeah, I think that, you know, what needs to happen and it is happening to a certain extent,

00:46:59.500 but an awakening of what I think you're referring to as the American spirit and people who will not

00:47:09.620 comply with the, the baloney that's being put down. I mean, I'll, I'll give you an example, you know, so,

00:47:16.020 uh, when masks were all the rage, I refused to wear a mask and would walk into a restaurant or to a cafe

00:47:27.640 or sandwich place. And sometimes people would serve me and other times they, you know, would say to leave.

00:47:34.740 And I just refused to comply with the mask mandate. Now I didn't raise a focus, a ruckus, but I would,

00:47:41.940 I would leave. But the American spirit of not complying with clearly, uh, clear propaganda and,

00:47:51.540 and, and, and clear control methods, which is what this is. That's, that's what is necessary

00:48:00.480 is people just standing up and saying, no, I'm not going to do this. And you'll take a few shots in the

00:48:07.880 beginning, but all of a sudden more and more people, when they see that they'll join. And I think it's

00:48:14.800 that kind of spirit of awakening that that's necessary. I mean, one of the, there's, there's a,

00:48:21.140 uh, an, uh, uh, podcast that I follow. It's actually, it's called political moonshine. And, uh, he does

00:48:28.780 a very spot on analysis. And what, one of his observations that I really took to heart and thought

00:48:34.540 was, was very profound. He says that people need to know the difference between what is happening

00:48:40.320 and what is being done to them. And when you look at what is happening now, whether it is

00:48:48.020 the energy crisis that has been imposed by the Biden administration, that's a manufactured crisis,

00:48:54.420 the destruction of our own domestic energy production, which president Trump showed, you know,

00:49:00.620 we have unlimited resources, gas prices were two bucks a gallon. That was a policy decision.

00:49:07.260 The policy decisions that have been made by the Biden administration have destroyed domestic energy

00:49:12.540 production. The war in Ukraine, these are policy decisions to constantly escalate and provoke the war

00:49:20.180 there, as opposed to seeking a resolution. The open border, that's a policy decision. All of these crises

00:49:27.180 are being done to the American people. This isn't something that is just happening out of the

00:49:33.880 control. These are manufactured crises. And I think when people really realize that this government

00:49:40.140 is in fact there, and I'll say it, it is their enemy. They are trying to hurt the American, the average

00:49:47.780 American person, American people, the average American. And when Americans wake up to that fact

00:49:55.280 and then start pushing back, that's when we save our country.

00:50:01.980 Yeah, I, you know, I'm just sitting here, I'm thinking about the American people.

00:50:10.140 They know that the government is not their friend. There was an expression 40 years ago,

00:50:15.620 I'm from the government and I'm here to help is the biggest lie that you could imagine.

00:50:20.120 It is, it's now just laughable. And as you suggested earlier, we've got a lot of people

00:50:25.800 coming in, in the two, in the 118th Congress, I would say we've got a good part of those 222

00:50:33.320 House Republicans who mean business about retaking this republic. Your concluding thoughts, if you

00:50:40.660 would, Kurt, we always give you, as you know, the last word on this show.

00:50:44.400 Well, I will say this, there is hope and it's not just with the incoming Congress. So for example,

00:50:51.220 I believe it's in Shasta County, California. I spoke with one of the county councilmen there

00:50:58.020 who, for example, was moving to ban the county, three of the commissioners moved to ban Dominion

00:51:07.200 voting machines there. And I'll say Dominion voting machines. And there was a hearing yesterday

00:51:13.780 where the attorney general of California and the secretary of state and all kinds of forces

00:51:21.920 came in to try to push back on that decision. And this gentleman held firm. He held against the

00:51:29.940 tide because of his conviction. And he's perfectly within his rights. He's representing his constituents.

00:51:35.720 And that's the kind of courage to stand up against special interest, to stand up against governmental

00:51:44.900 pressure to do what's right. And that's the kind of individual that we need a thousand fold over.

00:51:52.600 And I think we're getting there. And that will be what many have called the great awakening.

00:51:57.540 And that's how we take back our country from, as you said, the Marxist Dems and the establishment

00:52:03.580 that are trying to take our country down and actually harm the American people. It's stunning.

00:52:12.920 And there's one thing that I've never been able to really process how any rational human being

00:52:19.960 with this COVID China virus crisis, the fact that the government, the FDA and the media

00:52:28.720 and many politicians and others railed and demonized cheap therapeutics like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine

00:52:39.060 as effect as not effective and in fact dangerous to take for COVID. And now you have, you know,

00:52:46.200 study after study, for example, that shows ivermectin as a very effective treatment. And it was used

00:52:53.560 extensively in India. And in India, the population there, which is dense, you know, densely populated,

00:53:00.160 they knocked COVID down within a matter of weeks, they disseminated care packages to every single

00:53:05.240 citizen. And within about three or four weeks, there was no COVID over there, it dropped 90 plus

00:53:11.100 percent. That could have been done in America. But instead, you had the FDA taking out ads comparing

00:53:18.420 ivermectin to a horse dewormer and come on, you're not a, you're not a horse. And this is where what is

00:53:25.180 really scary, the government deliberately lied and set out to hurt people. And this is part of

00:53:33.420 the China virus, how it was used to instill fear in the population, to justify lockdowns, all of the, 0.96

00:53:43.420 you know, the social control and the destruction of small businesses and everything else has stemmed

00:53:50.040 from the fear that was put on the American people through this. And part and parcel with that was

00:53:57.180 withholding treatments that could have saved lives. And that's, that's the kind of mentality,

00:54:04.520 when you refer to the Marxist Dems in the deep state, that is what we're up against. These people

00:54:11.420 are evil, and they need to be called out for it. And we need to recognize exactly the threat that we

00:54:18.960 face, so that people will stand up and fight it. Absolutely. Kurt, it's always good to talk with you.

00:54:27.200 We appreciate it. Thank you for being with us and come back soon. And good luck with the decision

00:54:32.320 upcoming in the Arizona State Supreme Court on the election of, we hope it'll be the election of

00:54:42.460 Carrie Lake. And we will be talking to you about that as the events unfold. Again, our best wishes and

00:54:50.960 best of luck. And God bless you. Thank you, Lou. And likewise, and always a pleasure.

00:54:56.920 Thank you, everybody, for being with us. Hope you join us tomorrow when our guest will be former

00:55:01.140 National Security Advisor under President Trump Ambassador Robert O'Brien. That's tomorrow

00:55:07.000 right here on The Great America Show. Till then, thank you, God bless you, and God bless America.

The Great America Show - March 06, 2023

AMERICANS NEED TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING AND WHAT IS BEING DONE TO THEM, SAYS ATTORNEY KURT OLSEN

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