AMERICANS NEED TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING AND WHAT IS BEING DONE TO THEM, SAYS ATTORNEY KURT OLSEN
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Kurt Olson, a conservative attorney representing President Trump, joins Lou Dobbs on the Great America Show to talk about the Marxist-Democrat alliance, and why it s time to wake up to the Marxist reality that the Democratic Party is a Marxist Party.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to The Great America Show, and it is great to have you
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with us. I want to talk with you about a reality that I think most Republicans, real Republicans,
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not rhinos, are refusing to acknowledge, and it's important that we talk about it.
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The Biden regime and the Marxist-Dem party mean to destroy us. You and me, fellow conservatives,
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libertarians, independents, moderate Republicans, we all have to come to terms with the reality
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that Democrats are unified in their demand for conformity and their ambition to take down
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America. They are Marxists. They are Marxists. I repeat, Marxists. They are totalitarian,
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and they look upon us as their enemy, while most Republicans see Democrats as simply the opposition
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party. Too many see these destroyers as the loyal opposition in a two-party system. Instead of the
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Marxists, they are. Marxists who mean to destroy the Republican party, to establish Marxist authoritarian
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government, and work in absolute harmony with the globalist elites of the new world order. And we
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have to understand, the American business establishment is working with the Marxist-led
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Democrat party against what is now the populist Republican party. And both European and Chinese
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leadership mean to, at the very least, diminish, if not outright destroy, U.S. world leadership and
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replace this great republic with a centralized totalitarian government. Call it what you will.
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It was in the context of these realities that President Trump, over the weekend, gave an almost
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two-hour-long speech at CPAC. Trump telling the conservative conference that Republicans have
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been led by freaks, neocons, and open-border zealots and fools. End quote. The audience cheered and
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applauded President Trump loudly when he promised the Republican party would not go back to being the
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party of Paul Ryan, Karl Rove, and Jeb Bush. And bad news for the oligarch donors who are pushing
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Governor DeSantis, former Governor Nikki Haley, and others to run against the former president.
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Trump outright crushed the CPAC straw poll, winning 62 percent of the votes. DeSantis was a distant,
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disappointing second. Pick up. DeSantis was a distant second with 20 percent. And third was the almost
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unheard of Michigan businessman Perry Johnson with 5 percent. Pompeo and Haley tied with 3 percent each.
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And Vivek Ramaswamy had 1 percent. No question, President Trump is the leader of the Republican party
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and means to win in 2024. His base is obviously still with him, much to the discomfort of the
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Republican establishment and oligarch donors. And of course, the Marxist Dems who've been
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politically persecuting President Trump for almost seven years now. Our guest today is conservative
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attorney Kurt Olson, who's represented President Trump, Mike Lindell, Carrie Lake. Kurt is also a
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former U.S. Navy SEAL. Kurt, great to have you back with us. Your take on the political atmospherics
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that are heating up by the day. Well, Lou, I think one of the things that you're seeing right now is
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an increase in the tempo to go after President Trump, both legally, through the media, and whether it is
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the investigation by Jack Smith or the grand jury in Fulton County, Georgia. You saw the grand jury
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forewoman who went on her media tour briefly talking about, you know, coming recommended indictments and
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so forth. But I think what you're seeing is that this is very much focused on President Trump and his run
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for the 2024 nomination that is going to be fought both by the Democrats, obviously, but also by the
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Republican establishment. And specifically, the coming coronation or attempted coronation of DeSantis.
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I think there's just a lot of positioning behind the scenes and anything that they can do
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to diminish to diminish President Trump, whether it's through legal action or the media, they're
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going to attempt. I think it's going to be an interesting next year and a half as they try these
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different machinations to stop him. President Trump came out today and just hammered Fox News and
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Rupert Murdoch and tying it all to the 2020 election. And he is the first person to stand up against
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the establishment here, if you will, and say, look, it is still a rigged election. It is still a stolen
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election. And the facts support him in so many ways. Your thoughts, and I know that you represent
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Carrie Lake. And I want to get a sense of where you stand with her case. Well, I do think that the
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elections have been rigged for quite some time. 2020, it just became, I think, readily apparent to
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everyone. And it's continued since. You know, specifically with respect to Carrie's case in the
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November 2022 election, it's very apparent. And you can see it just from the undisputed facts.
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And so our case, we are going to be filing our petition to review the Court of Appeals
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affirmation of the dismissal of our claims. We're going to be filing that petition for review
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in the Arizona Supreme Court today. But in terms of rigging an election, I'll give you two examples that
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are at issue. And it's very clear. Tain of custody is something that is critical to maintaining the
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security of mail-in voting. Now that mail-in voting is becoming, you know, being pushed more and more,
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that is something that the Carter Baker Commission back in 2005 was the most likely source of voter
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fraud because you don't know who's actually casting and sending in the vote. Chain of custody is one way
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to ensure that fake ballots are not being inserted in or that genuine ballots are not being pulled out.
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In Carrie's case, Maricopa sends its ballots when they come into their central count.
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Before they tabulate them, they send them up to a third-party processor called Runbeck Election
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Services, where Runbeck scans the signatures on the ballot envelopes, which are used for the signature
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verification process. And then they send those ballots back to Maricopa Central Count, where there
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are tabulated and counted. Well, the undisputed evidence shows that Maricopa violated chain of
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custody, and they're required under the law to know the exact number of ballots that they're sending up
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to Runbeck before they send them, which makes sense. You want to have an accurate count of when it gets out
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of your custody. They didn't. They estimated it. But Runbeck did record on what are called delivery
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receipts the number of ballots they received from Maricopa. Those receipts show that Runbeck recorded
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receiving 263,379 ballots. Runbeck also records how many ballots they then scan and ship back to Maricopa
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for tabulation. Those recordings showed 298,942 ballots being shipped back. So there's a 35,000
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edition of ballots while the ballots were at Runbeck. 35,000 additional ballots were inserted
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and sent back for tabulation. It's indisputable. As a matter of fact, the documents that I'm referring to
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were offered by the defendants in support of their opposition to our appeal at the Court of Appeals,
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which the Court of Appeals completely ignored that evidence, just completely ignored it.
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And that's a very simple, I mean, if that doesn't show a rigged election, I don't know what does.
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And you're before the Supreme Court now. The Arizona Supreme Court. What is your basic
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understanding of what you expect to happen from here on? Well, this appeal is not a matter of right.
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So it's within the discretion of the Arizona Supreme Court to take the case or not. When you're at a state
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Supreme Court or the U.S. Supreme Court, they're not just interested in correcting a wrong decision by
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the lower appellate court. They're also looking at what precedent does that opinion set. And so that's
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very important from a Supreme Court review because, as you know, in the law, appellate court decisions
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and other lower court decisions are considered precedent. They can be used to justify future
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actions and things like that by people as well as resolving any conflicts. And so in this particular
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case, not only is it wrong, but the Court of Appeals basically ratified Maricopa's violation of
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Arizona's election laws on chain of custody. And so the consequences of this, if allowed to stand,
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would be far reaching. So in the future, what the Court of Appeals said is,
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you don't really need to follow these laws that the legislature mandated that are critical to election
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security. So what do you expect to happen? What can they do? As it stands right now,
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Carrie Lake has been defeated. Can that, is there such a thing as a redo? How does she get made whole
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if the Arizona Supreme Court agrees with you? Well, under the law, the election in Maricopa,
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would be set aside. Now we have also, in that case, if it was just purely set aside,
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then those votes in Maricopa would be thrown out. And then the votes in the remaining counties in
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Arizona, that result would be the final result, in which case, Carrie would win. We've also asked,
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though, as a relief measure for a new election to be held in Maricopa, not run by these
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votes, at best, incompetent officials, but a new election to be held. And that would moot any
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argument that voters might be disenfranchised by this decision. But the law is, Arizona law,
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is that the election must be set aside when there is misconduct or illegal votes. And we clearly show
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that here, just on that one example alone, there are additional examples as well, of course.
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Is that before the court as well, those other examples?
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Okay. So, irrespective of your call for a redo as well as the set aside, it's up to the Supreme Court,
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whether or not to, obviously, it would seem to me the Supreme Court would want to follow the state law,
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one would hope, because that is, after all, what's at stake here, is regulation and law and the degree
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to which it's not followed. It seems like it would be somewhat ironic if the Supreme Court were to
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take a position that is counter to the original law that's written there. Am I wrong?
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No, you're not. And I'll give you an example. I mean, the chain of custody law that I'm referring to
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specifically says as follows, when the secure container in which the ballots are held is opened
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by the county officials, the number of ballots shall be counted and recorded on the ballot retrieval form,
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close quote. The Arizona Supreme Court, in looking at that statute, said when the secure container
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is opened, does not impose a strict time requirement to count the ballots.
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Secondly, the provision to count the number of ballots and note it on the retrieval form,
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the court of appeals held that an estimate satisfies that requirement. So, you know, it's basically
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what the court of appeals ruling does with that holding is it guts that law. I mean, it's clear cut.
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There's just common English language. You know, when the secure container is open, you count it.
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That's pretty clear. You don't count it a day later. You count it when it's open, because that's how you
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maintain secure chain of custody. You have to know what it is so that somebody hasn't then inserted or removed
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ballots illegally. And in terms of counting the number of ballots, if you just have an
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estimate, how do you know what how can you follow any kind of chain of custody? You can't. And so
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that's a very simple, straightforward requirement. And it's a straightforward, you know, plain English
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language in terms of its its read. And so the court of appeals, how they, you know, did somersaults and
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with a triple twist to to get around it is has far reaching effects in the future.
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Far reaching effects. And it brings up this question. Is the court system in Arizona? Is it
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straight up or is it somewhat, I'll put it this way, prejudiced?
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Well, I think you've seen from the beginning of the 2020 election challenges where, you know,
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well over 50 of them were all dismissed on on the issue of standing. The courts didn't even want to
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touch the cases. So the issue of standing, which is where you avoid addressing the merits of the case,
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getting into the facts and just say, you know, the plaintiff does not does not suffer any relief
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is not properly before the court does not did not suffer an injury. You know, that was the kind of
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excuse that was used to push all of these election cases, which had which across the country, across the
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country, which had substantial evidence of illegal voting and election fraud. And this was just part
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of the way that that many in the judiciary, whether they, they just didn't want to deal with it, they
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were, you know, because of cancel culture and, and, you know, media pressure, and maybe even peer
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pressure or something more nefarious. They, these are, were intellectually dishonest decisions in many,
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many cases, I think in the vast majority. And so I, you know, judges are people too. And they're subject
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to the same pressures, the same prejudices. And you're not making it feel any better here. You
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know that, right? Yeah. I mean, I, my, my Senate, when I first got into the law in 1992, I graduated law
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school. And I was so honored. I'd been in the Navy before to be a lawyer. And it was a big deal. I
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started out at a firm called Kirkland and Ellis and at the top tier firm, super, super ethical lawyers
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there. And my faith in the judiciary from your, from your lips to God's ears. Yeah, they, they were,
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it was just a, it was a terrific firm back then. I, I can't say enough good things about it. I mean,
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and to the point where, I mean, I'll give you just one quick example. I was on the team.
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We were national trial counsel for Dow Corning in the breast and plant litigation.
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We were tasked with reviewing all of the internal documents of Dow Corning, many of which had been
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marked as privileged and confidential, but did not justify. And some of them would be harmful in,
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if they were disclosed. And I can remember sitting with the partner there and we're looking at that
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and saying, this is not provision because you're absolutely right. Off it gets disclosed. So there
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was never a hint of trying to cover anything up. And that's the type of ethos that when I first
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started, I felt existed. What I started with Kirkland Ellis. Pardon me? I say you started with Kirkland
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Ellis. Yes. Yeah. Well, that's a, that's a powerful firm to start at. So congratulations
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to you. Yeah, I was really happy back then. I, and I, and I have to say my experience with
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Kirkland Ellis has mirrored your own. Let me, let me turn, if I may, to, to how soon you expect a
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disposition, a judgment, a decision from the Arizona Supreme Court on, on gubernatorial candidate,
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Carrie Lake. I think we will know if the Arizona Supreme Court is interested in taking it within
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probably two or three weeks. The case has been, law does not move, the wheels of justice did not
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move quickly. However, in this case, at the speed of law, they have, it has been moving quickly.
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And so we filed an appeal on December 31st. The court of appeals issued an order on January 3rd,
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expedited briefing. The court of appeals hurt, you know, went into conference, uh, to review all the
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briefs on February 1st. The decision was issued on February 16th. We've now filed our petition. So I
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think that we will know, uh, what the Supreme court is likely to do in the next couple of weeks.
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What, uh, do you have recourse, uh, after the Arizona Supreme court?
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We do. We do have the ability with these claims to petition the U S Supreme court for a writ of
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certiori. Now, those are, you know, very difficult. Yeah, those are there. They get about 10,000
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petitions a year and they take, you know, 50 to 75. I mean, the issues here are worthy of
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the U S Supreme court weighing in should the Arizona Supreme court not take the case.
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Good. Well, I, you know, obviously I I'm wishing you all the luck in the world, uh, here all the
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best of luck. Uh, I, I, I do want to take, we've got so much to cover. Uh, but I have to say this,
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you're talking about the speed of law and that justice, uh, you know, takes time. Uh, we have a
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crisis in this country, no one is talking about, and that is the amount of time that lawyers and
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judges, the judicial system is taking to reach decisions and to dispose of cases, uh, uh, first
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fairly and honestly, but even that is in question all across the country as well. But when it takes
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years to go through trial after trial, and I'm talking about civil trials, I I'm talking about,
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uh, felony trials of all kinds, capital crimes, it doesn't seem to matter. Courts have decided that,
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uh, attorneys are paid by the hour and they're going to make them all wealthy. Uh, and I'm only
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being partly sardonic and sarcastic with that, but I just want to get a quick response from you on,
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on, on justice here. Well, there is the old saying, justice, justice delayed is justice denied.
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And it is an issue with the courts. Now that, you know, many of the, those in the judiciary will say
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that, you know, they're overwhelmed, that there are open, uh, vacancies that have not been filled.
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And I'm talking about the federal judiciary. I am too, primarily the federal. Yeah. And so there is
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that, uh, there is a very heavy caseload and courts, the chief justice, you know, of each,
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you know, federal district court, often they will set rules for the, uh, the district court judges
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and they'll monitor the, the, uh, the progress of cases now. And if a ruling is not issued within
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a year, you know, little red flags will go off, but it was on, it was unheard of 50 years ago that a
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case would take three years. Uh, it's commonplace now and it's outrageous. It's, it's, first of all,
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it shows the indolence of the system. Uh, it may also show that judges and the system is overwhelmed,
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but the federal government spends, uh, hundreds of billions of dollars and doesn't even account for
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it. What would be wrong with spending a couple of billion dollars and expanding the justice system
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so that we could have, uh, uh, there could be consequences and judgments and results rather
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than this nonsense of just going through process after process. No one trusts the judges. No one
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trusts the courts. Well, I think those are two, two separate issues. I mean, there's a reason why
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people don't trust the judges and the courts. No, no, I understand, but I'm, I'm talking about just the,
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I'm talking about the delay and it just seems like it's one morass of one kind or another.
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It's a moral, uh, morass. It is a, an issue of effectiveness, uh, and a system that seems to
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be rigged against, uh, against anyone who is not a partisan of the same party as the, as the judges.
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I, I, uh, have experienced that myself in terms of what is the solution, certainly expanding
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the court system with additional resources would be helpful on the surface. But the trick is to get
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quality people who are going to issue, uh, honest decisions, you know, based on the law.
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And so you, you have to take that into account, you know, if there would be, you know, a rapid
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expansion, uh, that there are quality people to fulfill it because otherwise you're going, I think
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it would be made. No, no, obviously I, I, but what I'm saying is if we don't have quality, and by the
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way, I think probably one of the real problems is about three fourths of attorneys are, uh, Marxist
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Democrats, uh, in this country. So expanding from that base would not be a brilliant idea quite to
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take your point on that. Yeah. I mean, I think the judiciary and the system is a reflection of the
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overall state of the country that we're in. And so it's just like the military, the judiciary,
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and other, uh, institutions and branches of government are a reflection of the people and the
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society that we have now. And I've seen a marked decline in ethics amongst lawyers at top law firms,
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things that would have gotten me fired as a young associate at Kirkland are de rigger now. And I'm
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talking about, you know, for example, when, you know, in a brief, citing a case and falsely stating
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what the opinion held. Yeah. And, you know, lawyers rely on overworked judges not to check,
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and they rely on overwhelmed, overwhelmed opponents not to check. And they just try to get by with it.
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It's, I mean, look, it, it, it's depressing in many ways. I, I will, you know, just to be flat out,
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there, there, there's a, been a decline in ethics in our society. And there's a decline also in,
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in the, in the, uh, the integrity of our, our government. Uh, here is a statement, uh, that I'm
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reading. The FBI now says it would take nearly six and a half years for it to release the thousands
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of pages of FBI director Christopher Wray's emails that contained the word Trump over a four month period
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that was requested in a freedom of information, uh, request. The center square submitted the FOIA on
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August 8th following, uh, President Donald Trump's, uh, Mar-a-Lago raid by the FBI. Yeah. This is the
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kind of nonsense that is going on. Christopher Wray, by the way, now says, by golly, he knew all along
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that it was the Wuhan virology, uh, lab, uh, from which the China virus was launched upon the world.
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How, how obvious and how pathetic, uh, by the way, I commend him for at least acknowledging what
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everybody in America who paid any attention knew, uh, during the, the pandemic. It was the China virus.
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It originated in China and it wasn't an accident that it originated in China. Uh, your thoughts about
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Christopher Wray and this FBI. Well, let's, let's, let's take the, uh, the response to the FOIA
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request. So I know a little bit about that. Uh, so it's actually only a little over 5,000 pages of
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documents. And the request was for a very limited period from April 1st, 2022 to August 8th, 2022,
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when the raid on Mar-a-Lago occurred. The idea that that would take six and a half years to review
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is ludicrous. And it kind of exemplifies the fact that, you know, the government is no longer the
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servant of the people. They are operating independently for their own benefit. And this
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is clearly a coverup. And so that's just one example of the obstruction.
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Let me give you another, let me give you another, Kurt, uh, Ty Clevenger, uh, civil rights attorney
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FOIA. Uh, uh, he, he launches FOIA investigations, uh, seeking the truth all of the time. He is a
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great American. He has been fighting for years to get documents on, uh, the, uh, a number of cases.
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And guess what? We find out that the young man who was murdered in 2016, who was an employee of the
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DNC, we find out that Seth Rich, uh, had a laptop, had a laptop. And it turns out there weren't one,
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but two laptops. And secondly, we find out after that, that the FBI was in possession of at least
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one of those laptops. That took him years. I believe, I believe it's correct to say three
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years to get through that. Uh, and this is only now coming to light and we are now seven years,
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almost seven years distance from the murder of that young man. What make you of that?
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Again, it's, it is just an example of the FBI, like several institutions that are basically
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operating for their own benefit and not for the American people. Institutions are made of people.
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They have now, uh, and if those people are ethical, then the institutions operate effectively and within
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the law. If they're not, then you're doing what you're just talking about. Now they are covering up
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and hiding. And by the way, that three and a half years with regard to Seth Rich,
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there've been a number of FOIA requests, and I'm not sure of all the ones by, uh, Ty Clevenger,
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but the FBI actually denied having documents about Seth Rich.
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Oh, they did not. They, that's what part of the problem was. They lied. They lied to Ty Clevenger,
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attorney at law, officer of the court and citizen of the United States of America.
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And when you say that, you know, there are still people too, we have always said in this country
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until the last quarter century, certainly that we are a nation of laws. We have become a nation of
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very frail, uh, and, uh, undisciplined and wanton, wanton, uh, wantonly corrupt, uh, people in our
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government. It is disgusting. It is appalling. And here we are. And then we keep going through the
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same processes of law, but they're under the control of the very people who have corrupted
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our government, who have infiltrated our government and now hold it hostage.
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Well, look at, look at special agent McGonigal or former special agent McGonigal, the New York,
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uh, he was the counterintelligence head in the New York. Yes. FBI office who was recently arrested
00:29:14.960
for essentially, I believe taking bribes from Russian oligarchs. And he was one of the primary,
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uh, instigators of the Russia hoax against president Trump. He was helping lead the effort,
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which they knew was a frame up, which was based on false, on false documents from, uh, Christopher
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Steele, uh, which was, which was originated in the DNC and the Clinton campaign. And of course,
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a law firm, because we have to have law firms, Perkins Coy, the, the democratic party's favorite
00:29:52.320
law firm with a, with a portal to the center of the FBI. It's outrageous. And, and you know what,
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these stories show up for about five minutes in the national press, if they do show up at all.
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And then they're, they're whisked away from the memories and minds, and certainly the, uh, the
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immediate consciousness of, uh, American citizens who otherwise would be beside themselves outraged
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and do something about it and demand change, but they demand change from those they elect.
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And those they elect are just as wantonly corrupt in many cases. And the cycle goes on.
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That's true. But I do think that there are good people now who are getting involved in politics
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who I don't think go to, are going to go to Washington and become part of the corrupt system.
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Oh, I, I, I, and so I, I, I agree with you a hundred percent. I agree with you a hundred percent,
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but this, this is, there are good people within the FBI too. There are good people across America,
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many millions of good people, but our government is under the control of a deep state who are,
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frankly, uh, they're Marxist and philosophy and, and can't, uh, and they are running our government.
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I can't think of an agency that isn't corrupted by political operatives, uh, with a Marxist,
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uh, basic Marxist ideology. It's, it's everywhere.
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Well, you look at how these institutions aligned themselves against president Trump,
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who was uncontrollable and was unabashedly pro-American, was calling out the deep state
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for their operations, for their basically, uh, helping, helping to destroy America for their own
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gain. And so whether it is the, you know, the outsourcing of manufacturing, uh, to overseas,
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whether it is the domestic spying operations, I mean, you can go through example after example,
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not just even, you know, so with respect to president Trump, but I'm sure you remember a CBS
00:32:02.220
reporter by the name of Sheryl Atkinson. I do. Sheryl Atkinson. Very good investigative reporter.
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And do you recall when she saw her computer operating on its own around two in the morning
00:32:15.240
and immediately notified CBS who was her then employer, they brought in, uh, cyber experts who
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determined that there was the access that she had been hacked in with could only be done by a nation
00:32:28.900
state actor. She then, uh, several, a couple of years later sued Rod Rosenstein, who was then the
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U S attorney of Maryland and several other FBI officials for hacking into her personal computer.
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And the case against Rod Rosenstein, I believe was dismissed last year, but against some of the
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other individuals, I, I believe it's still ongoing, but this is the level of corruption that exists
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within the government and that, you know, president Trump stood against, but he was one person and
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one person cannot fight this tide by themselves. And, you know, hopefully, you know, I'm, I'm a, uh,
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an unapologetic support of the president and, and everything he did during his term in office.
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And I pray that he gets in, in 2024, because I think he is the only candidate that is not controlled
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by any of the establishment deep state interests, and that will do what's best for the American people.
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Well, that's what he did, uh, in the first, uh, his first term. And it would, there's no reason to
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think he wouldn't do, uh, exactly as well. And perhaps even unimaginably better than he did in the
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first term in his second. And, uh, and by the way, the polls are reflecting what you're saying.
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His base isn't deserting him at all. His base, that is working men and women in this country,
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uh, hardworking, small business people, uh, the middle class in this country and those who aspire
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to it. Those are Trump's Trump's folks. That's his base. And it's widening independence, minorities,
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you name it. They're going to Trump. They understand what Biden and the Marxist Dems have
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become and who is responsible for all of the calamity that's befallen this country over the
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past two years, whether it's open borders, whether it's, uh, on just unrestricted, uh, uh, crossings
00:34:37.920
of our border, six, as many as 6 million illegal immigrants. We don't know where they are or what
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they're doing all at the design of this puppet president who's under the control. I'm sure
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of a, of a cabal of Marxist leftists, uh, who are directing this country toward, uh, whatever
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devastation they can, they can possibly manage. Let, let's turn to it. If we may, this showdown
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that's been reported between the FBI and the justice department in the months leading up to
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Mar-a-Lago in the Washington post, the headline is this, Kurt showdown before the raid, FBI agents
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and prosecutors argued over Trump and the head of the Washington field office who was previously the
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head of the, uh, Detroit field office and managed to put together that, uh, that I would call it
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entrapment of those folks who were accused of, uh, wanting to kidnap the, uh, the, uh, the governor of
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Michigan. He is the one who comes out. You mean the one where there were, there were 12 FBI agents
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trying to entrap six individuals to convince them to, uh, to kidnap Governor Whitmer? Yeah. That,
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that incident? Yeah. That, that's the one. Yeah. But he, in this article turns out to be the white knight,
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the savior. He's standing, he's standing at the bridge and he, uh, trying to stop the nasty, uh,
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justice department, uh, because he felt that the, for months, by the way, they had this internal fight,
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apparently, according to the post reporting, because he thought it would be unseemly for the FBI to show
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up with their FBI, uh, emblazoned jackets, uh, and with, uh, guns, uh, uh, you know, at the ready,
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uh, as they piled out of their big black, uh, SUVs at Mar-a-Lago and take, take, uh, all of the
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documents they could find in the president's, uh, residence, uh, and his, uh, office there in
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Mar-a-Lago. Uh, this is a piece of, to me, it's a piece of PR management that is just, you know,
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it's a, it's actually a, some, I would give it a B plus in terms of quality, uh, but, uh, it flunks
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on just the, the fact they were unaware in the article that they're revealing that this was six
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months in the planning, the making, the discuss, the discussing, and arguing over the, what they
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did, uh, in the, uh, dark of night on August 8th, uh, of, of 2022. It's just extraordinary.
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Well, it certainly has the hallmark of somebody trying to get ahead of a coming story and to
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portray themselves in a good light. Now, perhaps, perhaps this was true. The Washington Post, however,
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you know, is a mouth mouthpiece and it is a propaganda outlet. So this leak is, uh, probably
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has an ulterior, uh, motive. I do think it's important, you know, in the context of framing
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this to remember the documents that are at issue that were taken from Mar-a-Lago. It wasn't as if
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president Trump or his assistants walked out of the white house with these documents and kept them
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in his garage like Joe Biden did. These documents that were seized were packaged and sent to Mar-a-Lago
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by the National Archives and the GSA. And they were stored in a secure compartment, a skiff,
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you know, under the protection of the Secret Service, by the way, which Mar-a-Lago is.
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So the very fact that this whole operation was being ginned up is a farce.
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This isn't like Joe Biden keeping documents in his garage that he took home, stuffed in his pants or
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whatever he did with them. These documents at Mar-a-Lago, every step of the way, the government
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was involved in packaging them up and sending them to the president where they were securely stored.
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So why there was any of this is just complete nonsense.
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And you'll be pleased to know that Christopher Wray, talking about the reputation of the FBI,
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he said about the Hunter laptop and the Trump raid January 6th and so forth, just a few minor items.
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He still has the temerity to stay with a straight face, quote, we're on the American people's side.
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He forgot to mention what the attorney general had done, which is to set up American parents
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as the perpetrators when they appear before school boards. This is a, I cannot tell you the
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rotten stench that is emanating from the Justice Department and the FBI. It is disgusting. I cannot,
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Yeah, no, it's, you can see what they're, these are just platitudes. And so that's all he did.
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So you had parents, for example, the example you just mentioned, who were at a school board,
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and one of whom who was protesting the fact that his daughter was raped by a transgender student
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going into a girl's bathroom and the school board covered it up. And what was particularly atrocious
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about Christopher Wray's comments on this, you know, his plot is, oh, we would never, you know,
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go after parents for doing something like this, but we will go after violence. So he's implicitly
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labeling parents who are upset and angry at clearly government misconduct and clear wrongs.
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And he's kind of injecting the violence and the twist of words that he used to inject that, well,
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we're just, you know, we're going to go after violence, implying that the parents were, well,
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these parents weren't, you know, bringing guns. They weren't threatening to shoot. They weren't
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threatening to blow up people, God forbid. They weren't, you know, burning down the school board
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meeting like Black Lives Matter and Antifa. And where is the FBI on that?
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By the way, what you're saying is news to many parts of the FBI,
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because as those whistleblowers have testified, and we have learned already,
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the FBI field offices have been ordered by FBI Washington to look at all of the instances that
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could be considered domestic terrorism and to construct it as such. All of this crap coming out
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of the Justice Department and the FBI, you know, I don't know what the percentage is, but my guess
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more than half of it is pure nonsense and a fiction of phony bookkeeping on the part
00:41:37.240
of the Washington office of the FBI, because they are actually having the field offices doctor their
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reports and their documents. And by the way, that's a practice longstanding. And the FBI
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Well, there's a reason why, for example, with General Flynn and the FBI's practices in general,
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if you're familiar with the 302 investigation, there's a reason why they interview people and
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they don't tape it. So when they fill out a 302 form, it's the agents, the interviewing agents'
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recollection of what was said. But in this modern day and age, you could tape something. And so there
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would be no doubt. And that, of course, you know, and if you look at the FBI with him, they concluded
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internally, we found out, that General Flynn was not being deceptive. Yet they persecuted him anyway.
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Well, they knew what he was, and they framed him. And they framed him actually twice with the August
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effort by the FBI. Then subsequently, in January of 2017. It's just, it's a sad and disgusting story,
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what they did to a great American, General Michael Flynn. And again, it just, you know, to watch a
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swarmy Christopher Wray stand there and fence with Brett Baer on Fox News as if it was a candid
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interview. Did you see the interview? I did. And I do want to go back to one of the items you
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mentioned, which is Christopher Wray's revelation that the China virus likely came from a lab and that
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they had known this all along and said that. And, you know, I think that anything you hear from the
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government, an acknowledgement like that, that's not done because they want to get the truth out.
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They're trying to distract from what the real truth is. So you give a little bit of something in this
00:43:46.800
case saying that what we always knew. But if you notice, what's not really being discussed is the fact
00:43:52.360
that Fauci funded the Wuhan lab with millions of dollars, that the Pentagon funded the Wuhan lab with
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millions of dollars, that other U.S. contractors, EcoHealth Alliance were involved with Wuhan. The U.S.'s
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involvement with the Wuhan lab is extensive. And their involvement in particular with the coronavirus.
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And that's not something that is being talked about. And it should be. But by all of a sudden,
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you know, after two years of denial saying, oh, yeah, we knew all along it came from the lab and
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trying to portray China as the boogeyman here, that deflects from what the true picture is as to
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who within the United States government was involved with the Wuhan lab. You don't hear him talking about
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that. No, you don't. And by the way, we have the capacity to understand all of the malignant actors
00:44:59.860
in this. And that includes, of course, and foremost, China, responsible for the deaths of a million
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Americans, 7 million people around the world. And Xi Jinping never, ever once thought of issuing a
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warning. Instead, he launched Chinese nationals on aircraft all over the world to spread the China
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virus. And we had people in this country talking about it was racist and politically incorrect,
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call it the China virus. It would be COVID-19. We have to take control of our language, our minds,
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and our expression in this country, because we are quite, quite seriously on the verge of a crisis,
00:45:40.140
just in terms of honesty and direct communication. Used to be Americans were known all around the
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world for being plain spoke and straightforward. And now we have people who start everything with,
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well, I'm not a racist or I, it's not the, you know, whatever, there is a, a self sort of a self
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defense statement that has to be made about every kind of thing or virtue signaling itself to just to put
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up a shield in our, in our, in our communications. It's outrageous. We have got to return to who we
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are. And our roots are just the simplest of any civilization in the countries and is straightforward.
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We are plain spoken. We are honest. We're hardworking. We are brave and we stand up. What we have right now
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is a whole part of our population have decided to be snowflakes. They have decided to be daffodils and lilies
00:46:34.620
and, uh, carry on as if they have, they had a lifelong guarantee of never being offended, irritated, or annoyed.
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Uh, it's just, it's bizarre what we have allowed the left-wing media to do in this country
00:46:48.920
with the full support and direction of the Marxist Dem party.
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Yeah, I think that, you know, what needs to happen and it is happening to a certain extent,
00:46:59.500
but an awakening of what I think you're referring to as the American spirit and people who will not
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comply with the, the baloney that's being put down. I mean, I'll, I'll give you an example, you know, so,
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uh, when masks were all the rage, I refused to wear a mask and would walk into a restaurant or to a cafe
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or sandwich place. And sometimes people would serve me and other times they, you know, would say to leave.
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And I just refused to comply with the mask mandate. Now I didn't raise a focus, a ruckus, but I would,
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I would leave. But the American spirit of not complying with clearly, uh, clear propaganda and,
00:47:51.540
and, and, and clear control methods, which is what this is. That's, that's what is necessary
00:48:00.480
is people just standing up and saying, no, I'm not going to do this. And you'll take a few shots in the
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beginning, but all of a sudden more and more people, when they see that they'll join. And I think it's
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that kind of spirit of awakening that that's necessary. I mean, one of the, there's, there's a,
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uh, an, uh, uh, podcast that I follow. It's actually, it's called political moonshine. And, uh, he does
00:48:28.780
a very spot on analysis. And what, one of his observations that I really took to heart and thought
00:48:34.540
was, was very profound. He says that people need to know the difference between what is happening
00:48:40.320
and what is being done to them. And when you look at what is happening now, whether it is
00:48:48.020
the energy crisis that has been imposed by the Biden administration, that's a manufactured crisis,
00:48:54.420
the destruction of our own domestic energy production, which president Trump showed, you know,
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we have unlimited resources, gas prices were two bucks a gallon. That was a policy decision.
00:49:07.260
The policy decisions that have been made by the Biden administration have destroyed domestic energy
00:49:12.540
production. The war in Ukraine, these are policy decisions to constantly escalate and provoke the war
00:49:20.180
there, as opposed to seeking a resolution. The open border, that's a policy decision. All of these crises
00:49:27.180
are being done to the American people. This isn't something that is just happening out of the
00:49:33.880
control. These are manufactured crises. And I think when people really realize that this government
00:49:40.140
is in fact there, and I'll say it, it is their enemy. They are trying to hurt the American, the average
00:49:47.780
American person, American people, the average American. And when Americans wake up to that fact
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and then start pushing back, that's when we save our country.
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Yeah, I, you know, I'm just sitting here, I'm thinking about the American people.
00:50:10.140
They know that the government is not their friend. There was an expression 40 years ago,
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I'm from the government and I'm here to help is the biggest lie that you could imagine.
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It is, it's now just laughable. And as you suggested earlier, we've got a lot of people
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coming in, in the two, in the 118th Congress, I would say we've got a good part of those 222
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House Republicans who mean business about retaking this republic. Your concluding thoughts, if you
00:50:40.660
would, Kurt, we always give you, as you know, the last word on this show.
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Well, I will say this, there is hope and it's not just with the incoming Congress. So for example,
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I believe it's in Shasta County, California. I spoke with one of the county councilmen there
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who, for example, was moving to ban the county, three of the commissioners moved to ban Dominion
00:51:07.200
voting machines there. And I'll say Dominion voting machines. And there was a hearing yesterday
00:51:13.780
where the attorney general of California and the secretary of state and all kinds of forces
00:51:21.920
came in to try to push back on that decision. And this gentleman held firm. He held against the
00:51:29.940
tide because of his conviction. And he's perfectly within his rights. He's representing his constituents.
00:51:35.720
And that's the kind of courage to stand up against special interest, to stand up against governmental
00:51:44.900
pressure to do what's right. And that's the kind of individual that we need a thousand fold over.
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And I think we're getting there. And that will be what many have called the great awakening.
00:51:57.540
And that's how we take back our country from, as you said, the Marxist Dems and the establishment
00:52:03.580
that are trying to take our country down and actually harm the American people. It's stunning.
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And there's one thing that I've never been able to really process how any rational human being
00:52:19.960
with this COVID China virus crisis, the fact that the government, the FDA and the media
00:52:28.720
and many politicians and others railed and demonized cheap therapeutics like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine
00:52:39.060
as effect as not effective and in fact dangerous to take for COVID. And now you have, you know,
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study after study, for example, that shows ivermectin as a very effective treatment. And it was used
00:52:53.560
extensively in India. And in India, the population there, which is dense, you know, densely populated,
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they knocked COVID down within a matter of weeks, they disseminated care packages to every single
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citizen. And within about three or four weeks, there was no COVID over there, it dropped 90 plus
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percent. That could have been done in America. But instead, you had the FDA taking out ads comparing
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ivermectin to a horse dewormer and come on, you're not a, you're not a horse. And this is where what is
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really scary, the government deliberately lied and set out to hurt people. And this is part of
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the China virus, how it was used to instill fear in the population, to justify lockdowns, all of the,
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you know, the social control and the destruction of small businesses and everything else has stemmed
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from the fear that was put on the American people through this. And part and parcel with that was
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withholding treatments that could have saved lives. And that's, that's the kind of mentality,
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when you refer to the Marxist Dems in the deep state, that is what we're up against. These people
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are evil, and they need to be called out for it. And we need to recognize exactly the threat that we
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face, so that people will stand up and fight it. Absolutely. Kurt, it's always good to talk with you.
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We appreciate it. Thank you for being with us and come back soon. And good luck with the decision
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upcoming in the Arizona State Supreme Court on the election of, we hope it'll be the election of
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Carrie Lake. And we will be talking to you about that as the events unfold. Again, our best wishes and
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best of luck. And God bless you. Thank you, Lou. And likewise, and always a pleasure.
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Thank you, everybody, for being with us. Hope you join us tomorrow when our guest will be former
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National Security Advisor under President Trump Ambassador Robert O'Brien. That's tomorrow
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right here on The Great America Show. Till then, thank you, God bless you, and God bless America.