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Pastor Robert Jeffress joins the Great America Show with Lou Dobbs to discuss the Supreme Court ruling allowing Texas to ban abortion after six weeks if there is a detection of a fetal heartbeat. Pastor Jeffress is a best-selling author, television and radio host, and pastor at the First Baptist Church in Dallas, Texas.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Great America podcast with Lou Dobbs, always in the fight for
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truth, justice, and yes, our American way of life. And now here he is, the Peabody award-winning
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voice of truth, the great Lou Dobbs. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the Great
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America show. Now, what may be a surprising development, recent polls show that more
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Americans are now identifying as evangelical Christians. It turns out that in many quarters
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of this country, it's actually cool to be Christian. Christians have always thought it was pretty
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cool, my wife and I among them, but in large measure, thanks to Donald Trump, religion is back
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in the public square, often at the center of a number of public policy issues that include, for
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example, the right to life, the new heartbeat law in Texas, which uses science as its foundation for
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when life begins in order to protect life itself. And the left has never felt more threatened because
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the science of life is a mighty mantle and shield for truth. The right of all American citizens to
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choose whether to vaccinate or not, and for many the right to assemble in church to worship their God,
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constitutional rights under the First Amendment, assuring freedom of religion. On the Great America
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show, we will always debate the issues, and God will have a prominent place in such debates.
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We're joined now by Dr. Robert Jeffress, who is a great American, a great friend, and a great pastor.
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Pastor Jeffress is a best-selling author as well, television and radio host. His programs are called
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Pathway to Victory, and he's senior pastor at the First Baptist Church in Dallas, Texas.
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It is great, Pastor, to have you with us. As when last we spoke, Christianity remains under assault
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from this administration, the left, in your state, Texas, challenging the abortion law,
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which the Supreme Court looks like it will settle once and for all. I'd like to get your judgment first
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for our audience as to the importance of that law, one of a kind in the nation, and its importance to
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the pro-life movement. Well, Lou, first of all, thanks for having me. It's great to be back with
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you again. And, you know, I, for one, was really pleasantly surprised that the Supreme Court has allowed
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this Texas law that bans abortions after six weeks, or there's a detection of a fetal heartbeat.
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It has prohibited that, and the Supreme Court has continued to let that stand. We know we have a
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pro-life, predominantly Supreme Court, thanks in large part to President Trump. But I never thought
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they would go this far in protecting life. So I'm very surprised, but very pleasantly surprised
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by what's happening. Now, we don't know what the final verdict is going to be on this law. They may
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pull back on some issues. But what I find encouraging is conservatives, conservative justices are
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following the science on this. They're telling us, you know, that's not a biological blob in a mother's
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womb. It's a human being. And I just think the left is so hypocritical. They say, follow the science.
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Well, we are following the science, and that's why we hold the sanctity of life dear. So I think this
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is a very encouraging development, and more is yet to come. And surely will. The state of Texas doing
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what it can to defend the law. The Supreme Court signaling that it's going to be very serious and
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objective, it appears, in assessing this law under the Constitution. I have to say to you, I personally
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think there's never been a pro-life law on the books anywhere that is stronger or better reasoned
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or more likely to succeed. Your thoughts on that?
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Well, I think that's exactly right. There has never been a law this conservative, this
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favorable toward life. And one way you know it's a landmark decision, Lou, is Planned Parenthood is
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absolutely in a frenzy. In fact, my wife Amy and I received a mailing just yesterday from Planned
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Parenthood with a bumper sticker to put on our car, just sounding the alarm that this is terrible. And
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when you've got Planned Parenthood, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat Party,
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when you have them pushing back and saying, we have an emergency state here, you know the Supreme
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Absolutely. And guess what's going on right now? Vice President Kamala Harris is campaigning,
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and she's campaigning in churches. Is that what you would have expected the Vice President of the
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United States to be doing in this very interesting political year?
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That's what I would have expected this Vice President to have done, Lou. I mean, look,
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I've got to point out to your audience the absolute hypocrisy of the left on this,
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and the hypocrisy of the Biden Internal Revenue Service. Just a couple of months ago,
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we had a case that came forward with a group here in Texas called Christians Engaged.
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They were a group that encouraged people to go out and vote, not for a particular candidate,
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but to vote their, quote, biblical convictions. And the IRS denied their tax-exempt application,
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saying that when you encourage people to vote their biblical values, that is the same as voting
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Republican values. I mean, that's unbelievable that the IRS would say that, but they said that's
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partisan, you can't do it. And now you've got Kamala Harris, who is a part of the executive branch
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that oversees the Internal Revenue Service, recording a video that's being shown in 300
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churches in Virginia, and what she says to the congregation, you sent Joe and me to the White
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House last year, I'm asking you now to send Terry McAuliffe to the governorship of Virginia.
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You know, Lou, when we had Vice President Pence in 2020 in our church, we followed every IRS
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regulation to the T. I mean, we didn't mention that he was a candidate for office. I didn't endorse him.
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He didn't make a plea for votes. We did everything by the book. These churches that show this are doing
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everything against the law, but guess who the IRS will end up investigating? It's always Christian
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conservative groups that they go after. And no question about it. And there's no outcry,
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of course, from the churches, where she's very welcome, obviously. But there is the acceptance of
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hypocrisy and really wrongdoing. There's no standard of integrity or ethic on the part of those churches
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in which they knowingly violate the Internal Revenue Service law and the fact that it's accepted by the
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IRS that the administration is in power is really not an excuse nor an acceptable rationalization of
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such behavior, particularly by a church. Well, and Lou, I'm going to make a prediction to your audience
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right now. And it's a prediction that is not just a prediction. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about
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when I tell you this. In the next few months, I predict there is going to be explosive evidence
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that comes to the public light that the Internal Revenue Service is specifically targeting conservative
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groups once again, just like they did in 2013. You watch and you're going to see it happen.
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How soon? I would say in the next two to three months, the evidence will come forward.
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Well, that will be quite a headline, but it's a headline you made here first, and we appreciate that,
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you bet. You bet. The Biden administration not only wants to be able to campaign in churches of its
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choice, but also wants, obviously, mandates for almost everything, but certainly for the COVID vaccine,
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another forcing employers to cover the cost of gender surgeries against moral and religious beliefs.
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At what point is the Biden administration, will it be forced to withdraw, to back off,
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and to end this overreach, or will it simply get worse?
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You know, Lou, at some point, when I look at the Bible, when I look at God's Word, at some point,
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it is going to get worse. I mean, the Bible tells us that in the final seven years of Earth's history,
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before the Lord's return, there is going to be an Antichrist, a great world leader who rules with
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an iron fist, and everything is a mandate. You can't speak. You can't trade. You can't do anything
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without government approval. Now, let me be clear. I'm not suggesting Joe Biden is the Antichrist. One
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way I know that is the Bible says the Antichrist will have much higher poll ratings than Joe Biden does,
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but that's an aside there I won't get into. But I'm saying there is going to come a time when there's
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a completely totalitarian government. I'm not saying this administration is it. I think this
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administration is failing spectacularly. I mean, you look at the poll numbers, they're plummeting.
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But I do think there is a future time coming when we're going to see these mandates. And,
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you know, this gender surgery, these mandates for employers to cover the cost, that is ludicrous.
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I mean, here you've got some guy prancing around in a dress up there in Washington, D.C.,
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this guy who goes by the name of Rachel Levine that Biden appointed to be the assistant director
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of public health. What is that all about? It is ludicrous. Again, if we follow science, God made us
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either male or female. It's not male, female or question mark. I mean, gender is not a matter of
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opinion. It's a matter of chromosomes. Congressman Jim Banks said that the first female four-star
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Trying to demonstrate the absurdity of it all. It's stunning what we're accepting. It's stunning what
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we're permitting. And it's almost as though the country is, in some ways, in a constant fog. Up is
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down. Right is wrong. We are watching things. You know, I don't know what people thought about,
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you know, homosexual marriage and when that was institutionalized. But all of the warnings that we
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got about what that would unleash are coming true. Yes. And it's, it's, I don't know, where does this
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end? Will the, will the government have a mandate, be able to mandate who will be receiving gender
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surgery? This is, this is getting to quite some level now. Well, I mean, you have situations right
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now where, uh, children who go through gender confusion and why wouldn't they be confused with
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all of the messaging that's coming out from the left. Uh, but, uh, there, you know, I think you're
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going to see the day when, uh, children are taken away from their parents. If they try to quote
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indoctrinate them about gender and that there really is such a thing as male and female. I don't think
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there's any end to this, but you know, you make a great point, Lou, when you talk about, you know, we
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don't know up from down. The Bible talks about people who reject a knowledge of the true God.
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They became darkened in their understanding so that they believed a lie rather than the truth.
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And I think that's what's happening. I think when people reject the knowledge of God and his word,
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they just become absolutely clouded and misguided, confused in their thinking. And we're seeing that
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in our country right now. Yeah. I occasionally think about, uh, my own, uh, particularly high school,
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uh, education in which we had, uh, a church, uh, seminaries, uh, for, for Catholics, for, uh, Mormons
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as well. Uh, and Protestants could do what they wanted prayer in the classroom. And all of that is no
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longer required required. It is no longer permitted. And instead there is this, uh, just a tsunami
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of madness that is pouring out of our TV sets. Uh, media is controlling the minds of most of these
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students. And if not the media, the left-wing national media that in the school rooms, it's the
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left-wing, uh, teachers and what is a program of indoctrination more than substantive education.
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We're in a very, very dangerous, uh, point in time. We are Lou. And you make a great point about
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our universities. I mean, most people don't know this, but 92% of our first 138 universities in this
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country were started as Christian institutions. And that includes Harvard, Yale, William and Mary.
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These were all Christian institutions. You'd go back to their original handbooks. They would say
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our purpose is to make Jesus Christ known to our students. I mean, it's just unbelievable what you
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found in those handbooks. And yet now you have Harvard hiring their first atheist chaplain. I doubt
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he's going to help them find Jesus Christ. It's just madness. Uh, my alma mater has surprised me
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over the decades since I graduated, but I have to say that one, uh, is, uh, that is in a class all of
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its own. I can't even begin to understand it, let alone explain it. Uh, let's turn, uh, to, to the COVID
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vaccine mandates and how that's been used against religion. Uh, your thoughts is, is government at least
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taking a pause here because the popular will is being expressed in so many ways that mandates are
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simply not the way the United States operates. You know, Lou, there is usually very little difference
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or daylight between us. We may see this a little bit differently. Uh, you've allowed me to express
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the view. Franklin Graham and I have both come out in favor of the vaccines. We believe that people
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ought to be vaccinated if their doctor says it's okay. That, uh, I think it was one of the great
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accomplishments of the Trump administration operation warp speed to make those vaccines
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available in record time. And, uh, I just think, uh, uh, Joe Biden has done what's almost inconceivable
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to make a gift like the vaccine, something people don't want. I mean, how do you do that? Uh, but he,
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he's managed to pull that off. And frankly, I think, uh, Joe Biden would have been much more successful
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in getting people vaccinated. If during his state of the union, I've not state of the union,
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his inauguration address, he would have paid homage to president Trump. He would have thanked
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president Trump for having the foresight to get these vaccines. You know, uh, Lou, even if he didn't
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mean it in his heart, if he would have just said that, that would have brought a large segment of the
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American people into the fold and encourage them to get vaccinated. I think that was a huge blunder
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on his part. Uh, and it's a, his next blunder, it looks like he's being mitigated a bit because it
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appears that, uh, corporate America is now saying there will be no mandate, uh, until after the
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holidays, uh, they've gotten a very clear signal that many Americans do not want to take this vaccine.
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Uh, and as you say, we disagreed on a very few things and, and we've done so, uh, you know,
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it's who we are. We're Americans. We can disagree, right? Absolutely. The, the reality is my wife and I
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are vaccinated. Uh, our, our family's vaccinated. Uh, and we're proud to have been amongst the first to
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get a booster, you know, uh, because of our age that, but I have, there's nothing in me that says
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I'm going to decide for somebody else, what they're going to do. Uh, I, I think everyone who wants it
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should have it, uh, without question, but it's a very difficult thing now where we have, and in part,
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my reasoning is this pastor, we have enough mandates of various kinds that have seeped into
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our society, our free American society that I, I want everybody to remember, this is a country of
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choices. We don't always make the right choice. We don't, uh, always, uh, see farther than the next
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person, uh, uh, in making choices, but that when we give the American people, their will good things
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happen, great things happen, things like America. And I can't defend freedom without defending
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a man and woman's right not to do something, uh, that I would choose to do. How do you deal with
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that? Well, first of all, I appreciate the opportunity to offer the viewpoint. And I, uh,
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first of all, respect you and many in my church who share your view exactly about that. I have always
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thought that this is a little bit different because it's not just about me and my choice, but what I do
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has effect on other people. And, uh, you know, we do require, uh, certain vaccinations for kids to go
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to school. And, uh, so I don't think it's out of the realm, uh, that, uh, it's something the government
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could mandate. But again, I think the president could have made this much more, uh, uh, appealing
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to people if he had done it in a different way. But I certainly respect your viewpoint, Lou, and that
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of many, many Americans apparently. Yeah. You make it sound like you're surprised that many Americans
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that I would agree on something. I'm never surprised, you know, to that, you know, but to
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that point, uh, this is a, this is a time in which we've, we've never been this divided in my opinion.
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I'm a product of the sixties, uh, and I saw a division. This, this is a new level of toxicity
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and division in our country. That is very dangerous as well as dispiriting.
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Oh, I think it is too. I don't think we've been as divided, you know, a crisis like we've gone
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through, uh, that should have brought the American people together, but it's pushed us further apart
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than ever before. And, uh, I think we're at a dangerous state in our country right now.
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Yeah, I agree. And I, and I think that in that regard, uh, what my hope would be is that the
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American people insist of their leaders that they be persuaded, uh, not, not, uh, coerced,
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not ordered, uh, by government, but stand before the American people and, and say your piece,
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uh, convince your fellow representatives in Congress, your fellow senators, uh, or in the
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state assemblies and houses of representatives, uh, or senates. Uh, this is a time when people need
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to be persuaded and not led like dogs, uh, uh, toward a gate they don't want to go through.
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And I I'm, I'm very concerned that that default is that everybody else is an idiot. And I'm a genius,
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uh, attitude, uh, on some, on the, on the part of so many, you know, if you're a Republican,
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you're a fool. If you're a Democrat, you're a fool and vice versa. Uh, and some, some wag might say,
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well, you're both right. But, uh, the fact of the matter is this is a time for higher and loftier
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leadership, but not base coercion. That is just another step toward, in my opinion, authoritarianism
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that is, that has nothing to do with this great country. Well, that's the last word on this.
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Lou, I think you're absolutely right on this. And what we've got to do is push back at every place
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we can against the cancel culture that wants to cancel out viewpoints that aren't popular or may
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not be in keeping with the present government. I think that's the most dangerous thing approaching
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America right now is this cancel culture. And one thing I appreciated about you is you're willing to
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let all viewpoints be expressed. Liberals don't want to let that happen. They want to silence any
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views that aren't in lockstep with their own. And, and I want to ask you too, as we, as we're
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wrapping up here, uh, as we're approaching the end of the, of the podcast, uh, some say that we're
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seeing without question, uh, a blatant satanic presence in all of this, uh, in which we're witnessing,
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uh, bookstores carrying woke children's books, uh, a new craze, uh, anti-racist baby and teacher
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dragon about diversity. Do you think those are being balanced with books that say the truth about
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God, the story of Daniel, Noah's Ark, or hundreds of other great stories? No, no. And Lou, you've hit
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on the real cause of what we're experiencing right now. The apostle Paul wrote in Ephesians six,
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we battle not against flesh and blood, but against the power of unspiritual forces of wickedness.
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It sounds like loony talk to people who don't understand a spiritual perspective,
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but there is an unseen, but real spiritual battle that's going on, not only for the soul of our
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country, but the souls of individuals in the country. I mean, just think about it. You had
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the satanic temple objecting to the Texas abortion bill because they said, uh, abortions were a part of
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their satanic ritual. And, uh, that's the kind of country, uh, we have right now where you have those
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things, not only allowed, but, uh, in some corners celebrated. So this is a spiritual war that's going
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on. And that's why we need to pray for America. We need to pray for every American.
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And think pastor, uh, we permit, uh, this, these woke children's books, so-called they are anything
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but woke, uh, uh, uh, we permit them. We're permissive, uh, but we won't step up and say,
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this is not appropriate for those children. This is not appropriate. And here is our mandate,
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uh, because we do not want our young people corrupted, uh, and, uh, Satan to have his way,
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uh, uh, with our children and, and God almighty, uh, to be ignored. And in fact, shunned at the
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bookstore, uh, we're in a time that is hard to explain. It's hard to understand. It is difficult,
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difficult, uh, to accept that. That's right, Lou. And I know you're wrapping up here, but I've got to
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point this out for the first 100 years of our nation's history. The new, uh, new England primer was
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used in, in schools all across this country where they actually memorize scripture. They use the
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acrostic from the alphabet about ABC and everyone had a scripture verse attached to it. And now you
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can't mention God. You can't read the Bible. You can't pray. And I would ask your audience,
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what has changed? Why is it for the first 150 years of our nation history, this was allowed and now it's
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no longer allowed. Did the constitution change? Of course not. What changed is we have
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allowed the liberals, the atheists, the humanists to seize control of our country, of our constitution
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and pervert it into something our forefathers never intended. And the truth is it is the fear
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of the Lord that is the beginning of wisdom. And until we go back to that and teaching that our nation
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is going to continue to be adrift. All I can say to that is amen. And, uh, we want to, uh, to hear more
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of your thinking on all of this because this, this is a time to, to lift spirits and no one does it
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better than pastor Robert Jeffress. Uh, and I've asked pastor Jeffress to join us here whenever he
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can. And, uh, look forward to a continuing conversation with a man who knows good, who knows
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God and knows this great nation. Pastor Robert Jeffress. Thanks for being with us, Lou. It's great to be
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back with you again. Thanks for having me. Thanks so much. The judicial watch organization has been at
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smuggling, and the impact of critical race theory in our schools and the left-wing effort to replace
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everything from supply chain disruptions and the irregularities of the 2020 presidential election
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highly. Chris Farrell, with everything that is going on in this mad country of ours right now, there is
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so much that you could be investigating. Which are your priorities? A huge priority for us, of course,
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is election integrity. That's a big, big issue because the American public has got a hell of a lot of
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question marks in their head about how their elections are being conducted. And even if they
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vote, that's great, but what about who's counting the votes, right? Another huge issue for us is Biden
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corruption. Look, there should be a special counsel appointed to investigate Biden family finances and
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what's going on there and the pressure and influence from outside, such as China, right? Undoubtedly.
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Then we have an awful lot of people coming to us and expressing really grave concern over the
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insanity that they're seeing at the local level, counties and communities and towns with all this
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politicization of their kids' curriculum, whether they call it critical race theory or diversity,
00:27:12.720
inclusion, and equity, or any of the other Marxist code words. There's a lot of folks around the
00:27:18.260
country who are really fired up about what kind of garbage is being pumped into their kids' heads.
00:27:23.980
That garbage has been pumped at ever-increasing rates here in the last number of years. But critical
00:27:32.400
race theory, it's getting worse. The issues are ever, ever more complicated. And the left-wing
00:27:44.900
And then the other part of that equation is you have Merrick Garland, our illustrious attorney
00:27:52.180
general, hand in glove with a lefty school board association, launching the Department of Justice
00:28:00.360
and the FBI against parents who only want to go to a school board and confront these bureaucrats of the
00:28:10.900
education aristocracy, the mandarins who control curriculum, and trying to suppress parents from
00:28:17.840
expressing their point of view and trying to criminalize it. This is parallel to Obama using
00:28:25.080
the IRS to go after the Tea Party movement and try to criminalize them. And now you have the Biden
00:28:32.020
administration and Merrick Garland, you know, having this chilling effect by essentially criminalizing,
00:28:39.380
or at least calling suspects, parents who want to get involved at the local school board level,
00:28:46.740
and saying the FBI is going to investigate. This is really sick, sick stuff.
00:28:51.140
It is sick. It is perverse. It is also unconscionable. And, obviously, by design,
00:28:59.220
this is an effort on the part of the fascist left of this country. It's not just simply the radical
00:29:04.980
Dems or the deep state. This is a committed ideology that is actively, actively trying to intimidate American
00:29:14.580
citizens, whether they be members of the U.S. Supreme Court or parents of children who have been exposed to the
00:29:22.420
corruption and the ignorance of CRT, or the threats of the FBI and the U.S. Justice Department against them,
00:29:33.780
serving notice that they will construe what their activities, their complaints about the school board and the
00:29:42.820
education system as domestic terrorism, for crying out loud. We are in a new place, Chris Farrell.
00:29:50.900
We are. And, you know, it keeps going. I mean, this is a, the ideology you reference isn't just on a
00:29:57.860
couple of hot button issues. It's uniform, and it's, it's monolithic. And what I'll point to
00:30:04.900
is even the approach, the mentality, the political philosophy behind issuing a mandate on vaccines,
00:30:15.700
okay? And they're taking a healthcare question, a legitimate, you know, treatment and sort of a
00:30:24.100
prophylactic measure that can be discussed and debated. It can be an individual choice or decision.
00:30:30.100
They love talking about a woman and her doctor, or how about me and my doctor, right? They're all for choice,
00:30:37.060
except when it comes to what they want to do. Then they want to jam vaccines down everybody's
00:30:41.780
throats. And they're, they're talking about firing all federal employees who don't take the shot.
00:30:49.140
That includes, you know, special agents and homeland security. It includes military members,
00:30:55.540
some very highly trained, specialized folks in the, those sort of tier one units, like,
00:31:02.100
like the SEALs and Delta. I mean, they're going to, they're going to throw these people out or put
00:31:06.980
them in a box and not let them do their job. This, this is a monolithic mentality where everything is
00:31:13.620
either mandatory or forbidden, and it's the left's specialty.
00:31:17.780
They are trying, they being the fascist left in this country, and they are not led by Joe Biden,
00:31:25.540
but represented by him. He is the face of that fascist left.
00:31:30.260
He's their sock puppet. I mean, he's an empty suit. The guy's not even mentally with it,
00:31:37.060
It's amazing to see that the country watching this unfold. He has a 42% approval rating,
00:31:46.900
a 42% approval rating, 71% of the country, according to the Chuck Todd NBC left-wing
00:31:55.140
polling, this is their poll. 71% understand the country's going in the wrong direction.
00:32:01.940
Now I don't know what, what that 29% is holding on to, other than apparently their ideology
00:32:08.740
and the hope that they can destroy America. This is a time of great peril. And there is a,
00:32:16.020
there is no countervailing influence, not corporate America, not unions. None of the institutions that
00:32:22.580
we've typically been able to depend upon to assure free speech. That is our public school systems,
00:32:29.380
our universities and colleges. They are left-wing ideologues indoctrinating before they can even
00:32:36.660
begin to discuss educating our young people. I think the 42% number is high, frankly. I think
00:32:43.060
the real number is down in the twenties or thirties. The reason I say that is because,
00:32:48.900
look, it doesn't take some great political scientists or some, you know, media guru to look
00:32:54.020
at the highest inflation in 10 years, the highest gas prices in eight years. You know, back in August,
00:33:01.860
the number was 4.3 million people walked away from their jobs. You know, when you, the inflation rate,
00:33:09.860
when you go to the grocery store and you see the cost of milk, you know, jumping by 50%, when gasoline,
00:33:17.940
where I am is, you know, four and some change. I have a family in California. I don't know. I mean,
00:33:25.940
you must have to take out a mortgage to fill up your car in California. I mean, this is something
00:33:32.980
that affects every single American, regardless of political party or affiliation. And so the 42,
00:33:38.900
I think is more like 25. Well, and, and when you talk about the inflation rate, listen, listen to this,
00:33:44.980
this is from a friend of mine this morning who was telling me about discovering on his receipt,
00:33:51.620
he went down to the paint store, bought paint. And there on his receipt was a 4% charge added a 4% quote,
00:34:02.340
supply chain charge. He asked the clerk about it. And he said, what is, what's for the
00:34:08.580
supply chain? It's a, it's, he was told by the clerk, it's something that the company's higher
00:34:16.820
ups added on like a tax quote, unquote, like a tax. And that apparently is happening in lots of places
00:34:26.580
and lots of businesses. So look at your receipts folks, because now there's such a thing as a supply
00:34:32.740
chain charge. Uh, and that's what we're facing, uh, when business right now, business is passing
00:34:40.180
along these charges. We're, we are watching stealth inflation. We've got enough obvious and direct
00:34:46.580
inflation, runaway inflation without this nonsense starting. Well, you know, I, I believe that there
00:34:52.020
are legitimate, uh, supply chain, uh, sort of choke points or inefficiencies that exist out there.
00:34:58.740
But frankly, you know, another part of me thinks that there are other folks who are actually thrilled
00:35:03.940
that this whole supply chain thing, you know, they view as another opportunity, uh, to leverage
00:35:09.460
and to rip off and to, uh, create additional sort of pressure points in the economy where they can
00:35:16.660
exert their influence. And, uh, I, I, there's a legitimate part of it. That's just, you know, workers and
00:35:23.300
access to ports and trucking, et cetera. But there's another part of it. I think that I believe
00:35:28.900
is being deliberately manipulated in an effort to advance either personal profit or political
00:35:34.420
leverage. Yeah. And I think it's called price gouging in many cases, far too many cases, Chris,
00:35:40.420
we know, for example, in the lumber shortage, it resulted in 40, 60% hikes and prices, uh, over the
00:35:46.820
spring through, uh, much of the summer that the lumber industry was holding back those shipments.
00:35:52.580
Uh, and I'm talking about principally in Canada, we were, we were watching those stockpiles at the,
00:35:59.380
uh, wholesale level, just build and not move into the retail, uh, sector, which of course stopped
00:36:08.580
homes from being sold and, and finished. Uh, we, we, we're watching the same thing with containers,
00:36:14.820
shipments of goods for the holiday shopping season. At one point, a record 68 ships in Long
00:36:21.220
Beach Harbor, the principal, the principal port for Asian exports to the United States, 68 ships lined up
00:36:28.980
an all time record. And it only occurred to the Biden administration in October that maybe we should
00:36:36.900
work 24 seven to unload those ships. This is, this is, there are no accidents here. This disruption
00:36:44.580
in our economy, the supply chain, uh, is no accident. And it's why the American people right
00:36:50.900
now are looking at six month delays to buy a vehicle, to buy a, uh, whatever the appliance
00:36:58.420
furniture is a big backlog too. Yeah. Yeah. I love the interviews. In fact, this, you're inspiring me.
00:37:04.260
I think I'm going to interview some longshoremen. I think I'm going to go to the longshoremen's union
00:37:09.060
and talk to them about some of their observations as to how this is being handled at the, you know,
00:37:14.100
at the dock. Well, what's going on as well. We've got the, the entire democratic party,
00:37:20.180
it seems focused on two things that is preserving, uh, critical race theory in our public schools.
00:37:27.940
And at the same time, uh, trying to put people who've been detained in some instances,
00:37:34.820
nine months because they were present at on January 6th in Washington DC, whether they committed a crime
00:37:43.380
or not, uh, your thoughts about the energies that the democratic party is spending on those issues
00:37:51.700
versus actually serving the national interest. Well, per usual, uh, we can find no further examples
00:37:59.220
of schizophrenia. So we're supposed to believe that January 6th and the disturbance on the,
00:38:05.460
at the Capitol was supposed to be as bad as the American civil war or Pearl Harbor or any number of
00:38:13.140
other, uh, you know, really historic tragedies in the, in the nation's history. Uh, now you're,
00:38:20.660
you're never going to hear me endorse and celebrate January 6th. Obviously the whole thing got out of hand
00:38:27.860
and, uh, but it, but it was not Pearl Harbor, a newsflash for Nancy Pelosi and company. Um,
00:38:35.300
so let's get some perspective. Let's put it, put it where it needs to be with a long historical view.
00:38:41.700
And then secondly, let's examine the actual record. Let's look at the legal record of what's happening
00:38:47.380
in the U S district courts, the district of Columbia. And there you see people being charged with
00:38:53.060
unlawful assembly and parading and no one's been charged with quote unquote insurrection.
00:39:01.060
No one's been charged with sedition. No one's been charged with all these, you know, there's a lot of
00:39:06.580
reckless language being thrown around by the left in an effort to really paint their political opposition
00:39:12.900
as criminals and terrorists. And the facts are quite different. The facts are while there were some
00:39:18.900
violent people who smashed some things and, and, you know, unlawfully entered certain spaces.
00:39:24.180
A lot of other people were simply walking around doing nothing. And the fact that they're being held
00:39:28.660
in jail for months and months on end in conditions that have been reported as being in really something
00:39:35.140
out of the gulag. I mean, it's crazy, you know, 23 hours. How many people do you believe have been
00:39:41.060
detained who were just there walking around, as you put it, demonstrating, uh, uh, cheering on the
00:39:48.900
Republic and, and Donald Trump, not trying to seize the U S Capitol. Yeah. I don't have a hard number,
00:39:54.980
but I mean, it's hundreds, right? We know it's hundreds of people and there were folks running
00:39:59.140
around, you know, scouring the internet, trying to find pictures of people and to, to turn them in,
00:40:05.140
in, in, in wonderful sort of East German Stasi style of, you know, uh, Hey, my neighbor walked
00:40:10.980
around the Capitol for 20 minutes. Therefore he's a terrorist. I mean, it's just, again, it's
00:40:16.260
perspective and it's discretion. And, uh, the, none of it's being used appropriately.
00:40:25.460
Let me say it, if I can put it in, uh, forgive me for using Texas terms,
00:40:29.620
but I just want the hard rock truth here. I want to know the facts. And if somebody committed a crime,
00:40:38.340
I want them to go to jail. It's that straightforward. I don't want a single American
00:40:43.380
held in a, in jail over ridiculous charges that don't rise to the level of the radical fascist left,
00:40:53.700
uh, uh, rhetoric that is being spewed. And I expect the FBI by God to investigate and come
00:41:02.420
to a conclusion that they test in court and to do so in a speedy manner. What they're doing is Soviet
00:41:09.540
to hold people without charges are with trumped up charges is unconscionable. And the Republican party,
00:41:17.060
by the way, in my opinion, I'm not going to just leave this at the feet of the Democrats.
00:41:21.540
Where in the hell is the fundraising and the concern of the Republican party to go in there
00:41:28.260
and find out what's going on and be representing those people there. This should be happening now.
00:41:33.540
It should know it should have been happening months ago. Correct. Immediately. And there's this
00:41:39.940
ability to just in this country, suddenly to numb everyone's senses and not care that a fellow citizen
00:41:46.500
is sitting in a jail somewhere with ridiculous misdemeanor charges against him or her.
00:41:54.660
This is outrageous on so many levels. It is particularly when he put it in perspective
00:41:59.940
of the lunatics out in Portland, the Antifa type crowd who spent 270 days attacking the federal
00:42:08.580
courthouse. They're trying to burn it to the ground. And, uh, and those people, you know,
00:42:14.500
they walk away with nothing. And they know who they are. They know who the groups are. They know
00:42:18.980
who the, the ringleaders are out there. And you don't see, I mean, the disparity in treatment
00:42:24.740
is what makes people crazy. When you see people for 270 nights attacking a federal courthouse
00:42:31.460
and it's all, oh, well, that's just the way it goes. Or to quote, you know, Nancy Pelosi,
00:42:36.500
people are going to do what people are going to do. That was her quote on that. And you flip it around
00:42:41.460
and you look at a couple of hours of, uh, you know, a lot of it, certainly there was violent
00:42:48.820
behavior by some, and like you said, they should all be prosecuted, but a lot of other people were
00:42:53.140
just kind of wandering around and then left. And they're not a threat to the Republic or a danger
00:42:58.820
to the community in any sense of the word. Well, no investigation that's been shared with the American
00:43:04.740
people. All sorts of video has been, uh, withheld from public view. Uh, this is an unconscionable
00:43:12.340
act on the part of the Democrats. It's an unconscionable acceptance of outrageous on American
00:43:18.340
acts by those Democrats, by the Republican party. As for the government itself, the justice department
00:43:25.780
is where truth goes to die. It is not where justice is served. Uh, as we learn with every passing week,
00:43:33.460
it seems in this country, much to our shame. I wanted to ask you about something we've talked
00:43:38.340
about for a very long time. And Donald Trump the other day was talking about 10 million illegal
00:43:44.820
immigrants in this country over the last few years. Now we know that there's a possibility,
00:43:51.700
a very real possibility that the numbers are being understated and that there are factors when people
00:43:57.460
are apprehended at the border that the border patrol uses to multiply, to get a good
00:44:03.140
idea of how many people actually penetrated that border and, and safely got to wherever they were
00:44:09.220
going inside the United States of America. They have a lot of help, don't they? From the Biden
00:44:13.940
administration right now, 2 million illegal immigrants are estimated to cross that border.
00:44:19.860
And whether the factor you use is three or seven, whatever it is, we know there are millions of people
00:44:26.420
in this country right now without lawful reason and who should not be permitted in this country.
00:44:35.540
What can be done in your opinion, given this administration, its policies, which are wide
00:44:42.340
open borders and more illegal immigrants are to be incentivized to come into the country?
00:44:49.140
Well, like you said, you get more of what you incentivize or what you subsidize.
00:44:54.020
It's a rule, an economic rule, and it's a political rule. And so the Biden administration has zero interest
00:45:01.220
in any law enforcement. In fact, on October 27th, a short while ago, Mayorkas, the Homeland Security
00:45:08.740
Secretary, put out a memo outlawing five additional zones or areas that he says are forbidden
00:45:15.700
for ICE agents to conduct any law enforcement activities. And it's places like any kind of school,
00:45:23.220
right? Any kind of university school, trade school, anything. No school. They can't operate
00:45:28.740
near a school. They can't operate in any sort of medical facility, clinic or hospital. They can't operate
00:45:34.740
near or around any sort of church or religious organization. There's a list. There's five different
00:45:40.660
zones or areas that Mayorkas has forbidden ICE to conduct any type of law enforcement activities at
00:45:46.820
all, period. Even social services, right? So I mean, this is another example of them,
00:45:56.260
the Biden administration, Mayorkas in particular, prohibiting law enforcement from carrying out their
00:46:02.180
duties. So if you think it's bad now, and there's millions of people in the country that we have no
00:46:06.580
idea who they are, where they are, what they're doing, no accountability. It's only going to get
00:46:12.020
worse. So where do the American people turn, Chris? Because what we're looking at is a Republican
00:46:19.700
party that has permitted this during even the Trump administration. They fought him on the wall. They
00:46:25.540
fought him on the Mexico remain policy. They fought him as he wanted to take on the drug cartels
00:46:31.460
that are responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths of American citizens with their illegal
00:46:38.260
drugs, with their trafficking. And now we have a man who not only is permissive, but we have a man who
00:46:47.940
is inviting further disaster, illegality, more deaths, and more illegal immigrants into the country.
00:46:57.700
And he's a booster for the Mexican drug cartels. Correct. Yeah. So the solution, I think,
00:47:04.660
is going to end up being, once again, at the local level. So you're going to find,
00:47:08.340
in some cases, a couple of courageous governors will do the right thing to reinforce or enhance
00:47:13.540
law enforcement along the border. But I think it also ends up being communities around the country,
00:47:18.260
because the border, the border's vanished, right? There is no real border. The border
00:47:24.260
is in Iowa. The border is in Northern New Jersey. The border is in, because that's where the people
00:47:31.780
that are crossing the border go to for jobs, right? And that's where these, essentially,
00:47:36.900
these illegal alien communities, these pockets resettle at a community level where it's really
00:47:45.460
up to local people and local law enforcement to create conditions that make it difficult for them to
00:47:51.060
operate. And there's going to be a hell of a lot of litigation about it, because every left-wing
00:47:55.220
group in the world is going to come in. And where a local community says, look, we're not going to
00:47:59.460
have day labor center in our community. We're going to outlaw that. We don't want to subsidize criminal
00:48:04.740
activity. I guarantee you, you know, all the usual cast of characters on the left will come in and
00:48:09.780
litigate to explain how the sheriff or how the county commission can't deny these people work.
00:48:17.780
It's going to be a fight in the trenches. It's going to be a slug it out legal battle.
00:48:23.380
But I think it really comes down to local communities simply saying, no, not here.
00:48:28.340
You want to do this? Great. Go to California, go to New York, but you're not going to do it
00:48:33.300
in our community. We also have a pretty good idea, too, though, Chris, just how that's worked out.
00:48:40.340
The Republicans hide behind those lawsuits. They don't have to do anything. They wait for the lawsuit to
00:48:46.580
die. They wait for the issue to die, for the people to move on. And the Republican Party is
00:48:56.980
what's really surprising, I think, to many people is a Republican Party is serving a corporate class
00:49:02.980
that it that no longer gives a damn about Republicans. And it's the Chamber of Commerce.
00:49:09.060
Yeah, the Chamber of Commerce. The Chamber of Commerce already owns them. And the Chamber of Commerce,
00:49:15.620
and you look across the Republican Party and Congress or the Senate, they do the bidding of
00:49:20.340
the Chamber of Commerce and the Business Roundtable without so much as a question mark about what's in
00:49:27.780
it for me. They don't care anymore, the corporate community, because they're aligned with the left.
00:49:35.780
They're all about open borders. They're all about those illegal immigrants and that cheap labor that's
00:49:41.460
being brought into the country across that southern border. It's outrageous. And the American people
00:49:47.220
have only one place where they can control their lives, and that's at the local level.
00:49:53.060
And guess what? The Biden administration is trying to destroy even that level of control and influence
00:49:59.700
at the community level by shipping in tens of thousands of illegal immigrants in the dark of
00:50:05.380
night to inhabit those communities, those towns, those cities across the country without so much as a
00:50:14.180
without even so much as a squeak from the local authorities in many cases, but most of course,
00:50:21.220
particularly in blue states. Your thoughts about where we're headed right now for this election,
00:50:34.660
Now, I mean, with the point you just made about flying in Westchester County, New York, just above New
00:50:40.980
York City, you know, there's midnight flights of illegal aliens being brought in
00:50:45.620
to, you know, a high dollar suburb of New York City. And it's just another effort to infiltrate
00:50:53.460
people where they would otherwise, you know, be sort of obvious or objected to, or at least there'd be
00:50:59.140
a discussion about, hey, what are we doing? Because look, the local community always has to eat the costs.
00:51:04.420
Housing, education, health care, all the services the local community always ends up eating,
00:51:11.460
despite all kinds of platitudes from the federal government. So, like you said,
00:51:15.220
it's always a local issue. With regard to the election, you know, there's a wonderful,
00:51:21.620
President Trump's future plans and the ambiguity surrounding that, whether he decides to run or not,
00:51:28.660
gives him an enormous amount of power, a lot of juice, right? Because the left, he's the boogeyman
00:51:34.340
of the left. They choose to blame him for everything. They're blaming Biden.
00:51:37.940
When Biden collapses, Biden idiotic decisions, they're still trying to blame on Trump. And as
00:51:45.220
long as the former president is out there sort of flirting with the future, he has tremendous
00:51:51.060
political power and authority because he's still, despite the conventional kind of, you know,
00:51:57.140
the mainstream establishment Republican orthodoxy, he still has all the power, all the attention,
00:52:04.500
and that makes them crazy. He has the potential, I believe, to have an immense impact on 2022,
00:52:13.140
depending on what he chooses to do and how he chooses to do it. Relitigating the election right
00:52:18.900
now, 2020, from his vantage point, I don't know if that is effective. He's, I think, right about much of
00:52:28.420
what he says. We can say that there are sufficient incidences of fraud, that there needs to be an
00:52:36.500
investigation, if you will, into why the federal government did not investigate that fraud. Now,
00:52:42.820
we don't know if that fraud rises to the level of having overturned or reversed a legitimate election,
00:52:49.780
but we do know that there is enough evidence to raise the question. And that question exists in the
00:52:55.540
millions of people's minds, including mine, and we deserve answers. What we got was a pat on the
00:53:04.580
head and told to go away. We're not going to bother with your pitiful little questions about what
00:53:10.740
happened in Wayne County or in Pennsylvania. We don't know if they were indeed enough, if there was
00:53:18.020
enough skullduggery to change the outcome, but we do know that the outcome is not what was reported
00:53:24.180
because there was fraud of various types, and we deserve answers. And those answers were denied
00:53:31.220
because the federal government, and in particular, William Barr, the Attorney General, refused to
00:53:38.100
investigate any of those incidents. But isn't it interesting that Merrick Garland is quite willing
00:53:44.020
to investigate a school board for alleged but not proved threats against that school board by parents,
00:53:52.980
discussing, among other things, critical race theory? Or Anthony Blinken at the State Department
00:54:01.060
inviting in foreigners to audit our elections and to give us an inspection in our human rights
00:54:08.340
history. I mean, the idea that Blinken is at the UN, inviting them in to conduct audits and inspections,
00:54:16.020
and you talk about insulting, where you have the Chinese, you're going to come in and have
00:54:19.140
them audit our election. That's what he's asking for. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't show up at
00:54:25.300
Disney World or Disneyland, as they did in China, to put 34,000 guests to hold them until they could be
00:54:35.860
tested for COVID. The Chinese way, you know, they're just like us. They're basically nice people and would
00:54:44.420
never be coercive and totalitarian, these communists. Chris Farrell, it is, you get the last word here.
00:54:52.180
It's been a delight speaking with you, and I look forward to our next discussion. You get the last
00:54:56.740
word. Great to be with you, Lou. Thank you so much to be on your show again. And, you know, as grim as it
00:55:03.140
is, we are to never lose hope. Never, ever lose hope. There's a lot of stuff we can talk about that
00:55:08.980
that is more than disturbing. It's actually, you know, verges on terrifying. But we bring these
00:55:17.060
things up when we talk about them to force accountability, and that's what Judicial Watch
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is all about. You know, we hold the government accountable. We get government records and documents,
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and we make them public so that you have an informed opinion, and you have actual records and
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government documents to look at so that you're not guessing. You're not wondering. You have real evidence
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that you can use to explain why you believe what you believe. Chris Farrell. Again, thank you. Chris Farrell
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with us today, Director of Investigations and Research for Judicial Watch. Chris, thanks so much.
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Thank you, Lou. Join us again tomorrow for the Great America Podcast. Stay in the fight. Truth,
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justice, and the American way will prevail against all enemies, against all odds.