ATTY KURT OLSEN BELIEVES THESE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS MAY BE A PLOY TO PUSH BIDEN OUT BECAUSE HIS UTILITY FOR THE DEMS IS AT AN END
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A special prosecutor has been appointed to investigate why Joe Biden has more classified documents in his possession. Conservative attorney Kurt Olson joins the show to explain the circumstances surrounding the discovery of the documents and what it means for the American public.
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Hello everybody, I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to the Great America Show. Good to have you with us.
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Big news as the week wraps up. About now, President Biden may be looking for a new bunker
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to hide out in. Attorney General Merrick Garland has appointed a special prosecutor
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to investigate why President Biden had taken highly classified documents from the executive
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building and why, as vice president, he would have those documents in his possession now.
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Authorities have found more classified documents in his possession, and the Marxist
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and deep staters who inhabit the Washington, D.C. environs, well, they're understandably
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somewhat shaken. And of course, the national corporate Marxist media as well.
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We found out yesterday the Biden White House has known about the discovery of these classified
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documents in his possession for more than two months. And yesterday came the announcement
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that more classified documents had been found at two locations in his home in Wilmington,
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Delaware, in his library and in his garage. That's right, garage. Attorney General Merrick Garland
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is now appointed a special counsel to investigate Joe Biden's possession of those documents.
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House Republicans immediately called on the FBI and intelligence agencies to make assessments
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on any possible damage that may have resulted from the breach in national security.
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Our guest today is a well-known conservative Republican attorney. He's represented President Trump,
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Mike Lindell, and is now representing GOP candidate for governor of Arizona, Carrie Lake. With us,
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Washington attorney Kurt Olson, a great American. Kurt, great of you to join us, and thank you.
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The contrast of the way the media, the national left-wing media, is protecting President Biden
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and the way they cheered the Marxist Dems' assault on President Trump is vivid, isn't it? Your reaction?
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Well, it's actually, I mean, obviously, the double standard that is being applied right now is shocking,
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to say the least, of course. But there are significant differences between the discoveries
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with now President Biden and former President Trump. If you recall, President Trump had a skiff
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at Mar-a-Lago. So the documents that were delivered to him by the GSA and the National Archives,
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which were boxed up and sent to him, he has also said that he declassified them, which,
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of course, the president has the sole capability, not the vice president, not the secretary of state,
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not the CIA director, but the president has the authority to declassify any document,
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and the president has said he did that. So there's not even an issue with classified documents being kept
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at Mar-a-Lago. And further, when you see what the then vice president has done with these documents,
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he can't declassify them. Why are they there? What are they about? I mean, you can, I'm sure you may
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recall there was a sailor in the Navy who took a selfie picture in a submarine. And simply because
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there were some components from that sub in the background, he was sent to jail for several years
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until I believe President Trump pardoned him. And so this story is only going to get bigger.
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It appears that there is a little bit of an agenda behind this. I think the first report was that
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these documents were discovered before the midterms, while some personal attorneys of President
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Biden were rummaging through a closet at the Penn Biden Center and uncovered them. And so now it appears
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that, like I said, the story is just getting bigger and bigger as we go on. The coincidences and the
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awkward and difficult to explain circumstances are compounding themselves. As you say, found on the
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second, the archives were called on the third, turned over on the fourth. The Justice Department,
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presumably the White House, notified at that point. And we have to believe that on the second,
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the president's attorneys just happened to be in that area with a locked closet, discovering these
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documents and following through. But at the same time, knowing all of that, they knew that there was a
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high probability that there would be other documents. They didn't disclose any of this to the White House
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Press Corps. They didn't disclose it to the American public. They, in point of fact, lied with their
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Yes, they did. And I think as President Trump posted on Truth the other day, when are the FBI raids going to
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commence on all of the President Biden's houses to find out where these other, any other documents might
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exist? Yeah, he had a great comment, which was, when asked by Peter Doocy about these documents,
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he said, well, they were perfect, you know, to the effect that they were perfectly secure because
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those documents were in the same garage as his Corvette, which was all locked up. I mean, you can't
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make this kind of nonsense up. This is a, we knew he was impaired. We knew full well that his family
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had shady business dealings of which he was a part. We know all of this because we have seen the
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evidence, we've heard the evidence, and yet, and we have the Attorney General of the United States,
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Bill Barr, acknowledging that he knew Biden was lying as a candidate for president when he stood
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on that debate stage and lied about Russian disinformation. And we are now going to pretend
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that somehow these documents, highly classified in three locations, it was fun today to watch,
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for me at least, to watch the various anchors of the news networks contort themselves, twist themselves
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up, trying to defend President Biden in the face of these new discoveries, trying to explain, well,
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it's a special counsel investigation of documents, not the president himself. I mean, the collective IQ
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of news anchors in this country is not, well, nosebleed high, I'll put it that way.
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Yeah, well, it is going to be, I mean, interesting in terms of what do these documents relate to? Do they
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relate to Ukraine and his son's involvement with Burisma being paid $83,000 a month for a no-show
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job in an energy company of which he has no expertise? Does it relate to the fact that then
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Vice President Biden threatened Ukrainian leadership with withholding one point, I think it was $1.5
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billion in funds if they didn't fire the prosecutor that was investigating Burisma? So I think there's,
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there's going to be, it'll be very interesting to see if they disclose the subject matter of these
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classified documents. I think the last I heard was that they don't involve nuclear codes, unlike
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supposedly the documents discovered at the, at Mar-a-Lago, which I think even then they have
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walked that back as well. But it's interesting excuses being made. Yeah, the FBI could no longer
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make claims like that, even as unidentified sources with a straight face. And you mentioned Ukraine,
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that apparently is part of the subject matter on these classified documents. And of course,
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now we need to understand better why Biden in 2021 chose to go just after the, just before the
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inauguration, fly to Ukraine to do business. And the State Department was trying to come up with
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excuses for it, as were his, his staff. What do you make of that? So I think when you see something like
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that, you start to appreciate the longstanding ties between government officials and Ukraine.
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And the more that is coming out with visits like that, with FTX, the money laundering operation through
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cryptocurrency that is now being looked into, and I think the charges have been brought. So the Ukrainian
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situation is blowing up in a number of ways, not just with respect to the hundred or so billion dollars of
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aid that the U.S. has been pumping in there with no accountability, but with respect to the absolute
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corruption that goes on with the Ukrainian government and U.S. government officials.
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The idea is that, look, there is likely a cover-up that's going on, and that's why he's there.
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It is, it's going to be a fascinating few months here, I believe. I don't believe this is going to go as
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long as some previous special counsels, because the, the, the fundamental, the foundation for this
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investigation now is so broad, so, so compelling. I think the answers are going to be somewhat
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straightforward, even in a case as complex as what this appears to be. Kurt, I want to turn to the
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content of those documents, which include intel memos on Iran. This is according to the reporting of the
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New York Post, Ukraine, and Iran as well, and all apparently marked as with the highest, with the
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highest classified designation. Your reaction to the content of those memoranda, given that the vice
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president wasn't authorized to have them in his possession at all? Well, I think when you look at the
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overall context of President Biden's dealings in Ukraine, his son's dealings in Ukraine, the issues
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that have come up with, as we discussed earlier, then Vice President Biden threatening to withhold aid
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if a prosecutor, Ukrainian prosecutor, who was investigating the company that his son was making
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$83,000 a month on. And then you look at further ties that Hunter Biden has, it's been reported of his
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ties with a company called Metabiota in Ukraine. I'm not sure if you're familiar with that, but dealing
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with the bioweapons labs that were over in Ukraine, with which the U.S. government was also funding
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through the Pentagon. And so when you put the classification of these documents and the subject
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matter in the context of President Biden and then Vice President Biden's dealings, his son's dealings
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with Ukraine and other countries in that area with Iran and so forth, it is, to say it's concerning
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would be an understatement. But this is more than simply classified information about sources and
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methods about geopolitical events. The very dealings of the Bidens in Ukraine raise an issue as to the
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significance of these classified materials and whether it shows wrongdoing, conflict of interest,
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whatever you want to call it. And so we all know that the government classifies everything
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or overclassifies everything. And given the history that the Bidens have in Ukraine,
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and frankly, other politicians, such as Nancy Pelosi's son, I hope that these documents are
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declassified and disclosed to the public, and they should be.
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We know now not only that there are three locations, but the questions now abound. Why were those
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documents in three different locations? How could they be there in the possession of a vice president
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who would have had to absolutely consciously take them from government offices? And people,
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as you say, President Trump has a skiff at his Mar-a-Lago home. This president has a green Corvette
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in his garage. This is nonsense. And the left-wing media, which by the way, I think now, the left-wing
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media, it's pretty clear there's another area for investigation. The left-wing media in this country,
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corporate-owned, corporate-driven. And, you know, it's as weaponized as any part of the federal
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government. We need to have an investigation when we look at what is happening in this country.
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Yeah, I mean, I think it's significant that, again, the Bidens had financial interests in Ukraine.
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Are these documents, were they kept or taken from their secure facility to be sitting in his garage
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because they contained embarrassing or unlawful illegal information about illegal activity?
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I mean, I'm sure you remember, you know, when Sandy Berger, Clinton's former NSA, he was caught,
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you know, going into the National Archives and stuffing classified documents down his pants
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regarding 9-11 and then-President Clinton's failures with respect to going after Osama bin Laden.
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And so there's a host of issues that are solely and directly the consequence of the Bidens having
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financial dealings with Ukraine and not insignificant sums. And do these classified documents
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relate to those financial dealings? And were they taken from a secure facility to be hidden,
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for example? Which is what Sandy Berger did. And by the way, we should point out Sandy Berger was
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not held to account. He was not in any way punished for what was clearly a conscious criminal act to
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take those documents from the archives. He stuffed them down his pants. Well, it's like you can't make
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this up. Exactly. And although I'm going to add to the story, there was some rumor that he also was
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stuffing them down as socks as well. So as we look at what's happening here, three different locations,
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what is going on, and why in the world did they not speak to the public about an issue that they knew
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was going to blow up two and a half months ago? This is an administration in deep, deep trouble.
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And I'm going to say this out loud. This is an administration that went after a preceding
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president and was so willful, so ignorant, and so just simply vicious in their treatment of President
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Trump. Right now, I will say it out loud, this president deserves whatever he gets. And everyone
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in his administration who has been any part of the conscious evil that has been done to the Republic
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by this administration deserves just as much, if not more. Your thoughts? Well, nothing surprises me
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anymore. And so it would not surprise me that given the new committees that the House is going to bring
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to bear to investigate the president, to investigate federal government abuses, the weaponization of
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the federal government, that which happened largely under the Obama administration, which included,
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obviously, Vice President Biden, that there could be an effort to push President Biden out with this
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controversy and then to use that to say that, well, we're going to hold President Trump to the same
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standard. In other words, that this is being used as a pretext, almost like a twofer. So you get Vice
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President or President Biden out, then you say, well, we've got to hold President Trump to the same
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standard, when in fact, there is no comparison, because President Trump had sole authority to
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declassify any of these documents. He has said he did that. These documents were shipped to him by the
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National Archives and held in a skip. So there is absolutely no comparison. But on the surface,
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I could see many, many iterations of how this could play out.
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Well, certainly the Marxist Dems are capable of such Machiavellian stratagems. But there is now a new,
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a new Congress with considerable power in place. And it's, you know, they also came out of last week
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with a great deal of credibility, because for the first time, unbridled, unfiltered,
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we saw the Congress at work. And it wasn't chaotic. It was not dangerous to the Republic. It was a
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refreshing, I just think, marvelous moment in history where we got to see our representatives,
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Democrats and Republicans, behave as we would expect them to with great, great concern for the Republic,
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and to fight out the power structure of the place and to make important reforms. So I think right now,
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this is a different atmosphere for everyone. It's a different reality. And this president,
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this president right now is in big trouble. And it's clear that he did act in absolute disregard of
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his responsibilities as vice president and the law. He's still, he was still not a president who
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could declassify anything. And here he is, you know, stacking up documents next to a green Corvette
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in a garage. Let me ask you this, Kurt, your expectation is as to next events in these classified
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documents of this, this outrage by this president. Where do we go from here?
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Well, you mentioned that there's a special counsel appointed. I mean, I, it appears to me that there is
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an agenda, there's an agenda here. They discovered these documents prior to the midterm, they didn't
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disclose it. So the subsequent leaking of these events two months after the fact, that's purpose-driven.
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The appointment of a special counsel is purpose-driven. The fact that we keep finding out more and more
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that these documents have been held at now three locations is purpose-driven. In terms, in terms of
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where it goes, I, I don't necessarily believe in the, in the, uh, the good administration to, uh, to
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prosecute, you know, wrongdoers and to do it ethically. Uh, it, it seems to me that there is a
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a larger purpose to these disclosures. And, and my personal belief is this would, is likely an effort
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to push President Biden, uh, out at some point in the near future, given the investigation, particularly
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given the investigations that are going to happen under the new house. Yeah. This is not a man that,
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uh, the, the Marxist Dems want to have talking. This is a puppet president, uh, an impaired president.
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Uh, and I, I can't imagine that they would like to have this be a long drawn out of a fair, uh, where he
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would be at a public risk of, uh, of commenting on the broad strategies and, uh, a purpose of the
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Marxist Dems who have been driving the Republic, the democratic party, excuse me, uh, and the white
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house for two years. Uh, it, it seems, and it seems to me that things started to get shaky for
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president Biden. Once he said he was interested in running for a second term, your thoughts.
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Well, I think that would put fear in anybody on either side, not fear on, on the Republican side
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of the aisle, but certainly fear on the Democrats side of the aisle. But I, but I think, you know,
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this, everything that has been going on from the day he was inaugurated when he, uh, when
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he took down the Keystone pipeline, the, uh, the, the, the new actions of, of escalating
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the conflict in Ukraine, the, the amount of, of, uh, money and that is being put back into
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the build back better agenda. There is an overarching agenda that is being pursued that is separate
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from Joe Biden. His utility is now, or his usefulness is now largely, I think, at an end.
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And so I think this is what's going on is that he will be pushed out.
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Yeah. I, I, I don't know whether he'll be impeached, but I do think that his, uh, uh, his
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idea of running for a second term has been, uh, uh, I think effectively sidelined with this
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revelation in these, uh, now two special counsels working on, uh, on the conduct of two presidents,
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one innocent as he can be, and another who is, uh, presumably, uh, going to get a fair chance at,
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uh, uh, with his own party investigating him, uh, to explain himself. I want to turn to another
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area where the wheels are off and that's, uh, in our electoral system. Uh, you're working, uh,
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assiduously, uh, to represent, uh, Carrie Lake, the, uh, at this point, the, uh, the, the Republican
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candidate, uh, who came up short in the 2022 election. Uh, you're now moving to the, have moved
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to the Arizona court of appeals. Uh, what are the, what are the prospects that, uh, you will be able
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to prove, uh, to the satisfaction of the court that there were irregularities, uh, uh, uh, in the
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election of 2022 in Arizona? Well, I have no doubt that we proved that there were irregularities and
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illegality in the midterm election for, uh, Carrie Lake in the gubernatorial race in Arizona.
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We proved it flat out the, um, and, and, you know, one in particular, the manipulation of ballots,
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which caused hundreds of thousands, well, well over a hundred thousand rejections and chaos on
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election day that prevented Republican voters from turning out in the numbers that, that, uh, that
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they, uh, were predicted to do so that, that is just one issue. And so in terms of the evidence
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that we presented at trial, whether it's signature verifications, where there are literally tens of
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thousands of signatures that do not match the signature on file. And what's really crazy about
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that system, there are over 1 million ballot envelopes where the signatures are verified in that
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midterm election. There is not, they don't, Maricopa County does not employ enough verifiers to review
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those signatures in the time they have. In other words, you can, you set out the number of signatures
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they have to verify, verify the minutes that exist in a day, and it's simply impossible. It can't be done.
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So, and we have shown that there are tens of thousands of mismatched signatures. In other words,
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the person signing the card under oath is not the person who's casting the vote. That's just one
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issue. And we will be presenting that to the court of appeals and to the Supreme Arizona Supreme Court.
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If we, if we're given the opportunity there as well, the manipulation of ballots, the county denied
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that this manipulation could occur and we proved it. And then the county put the witness up the next
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day at trial and he completely reversed himself and said that they had known about this manipulation,
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not only in this past election, but in three prior ones. No explanation why all of a sudden the sudden
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reversal in his testimony. The same thing with chain of custody. We showed that hundreds of thousands of
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ballots don't have chain of custody. And that's not merely a ministerial act. Chain of custody shows
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that there aren't illegal ballots being injected into the system. It's, it's a prerequisite to a
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secure election. And in fact, the Carter Baker commission, which came out in 2005, talked about
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mail-in voting being one of the, the largest sources of fraud in an election because of, and largely
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because chain of custody is lacking. And there is simply no way without proper chain of custody to
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ensure that there aren't fake votes being inserted into the election. So what result do you want? Uh,
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do you want, uh, the, the election, uh, invalidated? What are, what is the, uh, redress for Cary Lake?
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So under the law in Arizona, you can set aside the election and this is in Maricopa. That's what the law
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says. We have also requested as part of the relief that a new election be held, but not being run by
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the same Maricopa County officials who at best incompetently ran not only this election, but the
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primary election before that. And of course, November 2020 in the general election there as well. They've
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demonstrated their incompetence, as I said, at best in running elections. And the relief that we would seek
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would be to have, for example, a, the court appoint a special master to oversee a new election. I would
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say this about a new development. Last week, the county announced that they were retaining the former,
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the former chief justice of the Arizona Supreme Court, Ruth McGregor, to conduct an investigation
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of the printer issues that I was describing that caused the ballot manipulation.
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That's a 180. Because if you recall, I don't know if you saw the trial, but at trial, they denied
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that there was anything unusual about the midterm election. And so if there was nothing unusual,
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why all of a sudden are they now saying that there's going to be an investigation by a former
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chief justice of the Arizona Supreme Court? So go ahead.
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So let me ask you this. What are the courts in Arizona like? Are they Republican? Are they Democrat?
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Are they liberal? Are they conservative? And are they fair and impartial?
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Well, I will always assume the fairness and impartiality of the court system that I'm going
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to be operating in front of. And I will say this, what we can control, which is the evidence and the
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arguments that we make, I feel very confident. I feel confident that the trial court was wrong on
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the law that he applied. And this goes to the standard. Just a brief delve into the weeds.
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The trial court said that we had to show by clear and convincing evidence, intentional conduct to
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affect the outcome of the election. That is not a standard under Arizona law. And that's going to be
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Right. Why would they put it that way? Your job is to present the evidence that it was.
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It's a very straightforward statement. It sort of astounds me.
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So here we go again with the court. I'm going to tell you, a lot of the country right now will be
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saying and are saying, here goes another court proceeding by the Republicans claiming electoral
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fraud, irregularities, anomalies, whatever it may be, a corrupt election. They haven't won a single one.
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And what makes you think the outcome this time will be different?
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I don't look at past cases per se in this vein. Most cases were dismissed on standing before. This was one
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of the first cases that we actually got to present the evidence on the merits. And the judge, the trial
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judge did reduce the number of claims that we had. But we still got to present evidence with respect to
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chain of custody and ballot manipulation. And our evidence is solid. And the standard that the court
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applied, we believe was incorrect. So we have two, two bites at the apple, a solid evidence of, of the
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standard in Arizona is merely uncertainty. If the outcome of the election is shown to be uncertain,
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that is sufficient to set aside the election. And I believe we've shown that on the facts, given the
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numbers that we're talking about in terms of hundreds of thousands of ballots without proper chain of
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custody, hundreds of thousands of, tens of thousands rather, of ballots that were manipulated,
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and the same thing with respect to tens of thousands of ballots with signature verification.
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Well, you know, obviously, I'm on your side. I'm on Carrie Lake's side. I'm on the side of truth
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and justice in the American way, and devil take the hindmost. It looks to me like there are a lot of
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issues in Maricopa County that deserve thorough investigation. And I hope, I hope that the
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result will be one that is fair and just on your appeal and if necessary at the Supreme Court.
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It's going to be moving quickly. So the Court of Appeals just issued a new scheduling order
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where they accepted jurisdiction of the case. The response brief is due by the defendants is due on the
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17th. That's next week. And our reply is due January 24th. And the court is going to go into conference
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on February 1st. So it appears that this is going to move very quickly. We are going to be taking every
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step we can to make sure that it does move quickly. And, you know, you mentioned other cases. And if you
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have a minute, I would like to raise one issue that I think is surely. Have you seen Ruby Freeman's,
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the tape of Ruby Freeman, where she basically confesses as to what was going on? Yes. And I think
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the president reposted it on truth a number of times. I mean, the question like that that event
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raises in my mind when people say, well, nothing's being done. Well, you have a new legislature in
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Georgia with Burt Jones as the lieutenant governor. You have Senator Marty Harbin as the chairman of the
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Government Oversight Committee. I would ask why aren't, why isn't the Georgia Senate moving to
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subpoena, Ruby Freeman, playing that tape and getting the bottom, getting to the bottom of what
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happened in 2020. Because, you know, we've long said, and I've been involved in this for the past two,
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over two years now. If we don't get to the bottom of what happened in 2020,
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we will never fix our election system. And it must be fixed going forward.
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Yeah, I would hope, frankly, that this Congress would put together a committee
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to investigate an electoral integrity for the purpose of legislation to assure that,
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but without in any way infringing upon states' rights, which are predominant
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in issues of elections. So there's a long road to go here. And I think that you are the point of
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the sphere. What you get done in Arizona will say a lot about what happens in Georgia,
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what may happen yet in Wisconsin, and other jurisdictions. And certainly, this new Republican-led
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Congress has the ability to shed a lot of light on some very dark and dangerous places in our electoral
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system. I thank you for being one of the people shining light and for being here with us to share
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your insights into all that's going on, including the new special counsel investigating a president,
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President Biden. Kurt, thanks so much. We always give our guests the last word. Your concluding thoughts,
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if you would. Well, I would just like to say, if only every Republican was as fearless as Cary Lake,
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our country would be in terrific shape. And I hope that with the new House, particularly with respect to
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the subcommittee that is going to be headed by Representative Jordan, the Committee on
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Weaponization of the Federal Government, is pursued with vigor. Because what has happened in our country
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over the past few years, it makes our country unrecognizable from the country, Lou, that you and I
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grew up in with the country that people have laid their very lives down to protect and to preserve.
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And if we don't get this right now, we're going to lose our country forever. And right now,
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it's in the hands of people like Jim Jordan to get to the bottom of this and to stop the abuses
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that are going on now. I truly believe that the 118th Congress is a new opportunity for us to
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restore this nation. And I am certainly, I'm enthusiastic, I am optimistic about what they're
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going to achieve with the congressmen that we have representing us in that Congress. They're a
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terrific and patriotic group who I think mean to save the republic. And that's a new development
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for us and a hopeful one. Kurt Olson, you're also a part of that reason I'm optimistic. We appreciate
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you being with us. And thank you for all that you are doing for the country. Kurt Olson, attorney,
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great American. Thank you, Lou. Thanks, everybody, for being with us. Coming up,
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Congressman Scott Perry, Congressman Dan Bishop, both members of the historic group,
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now known as the 20, who helped reform the 118th Congress. Also, attorney Kevin Evans. He's fighting
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to win the release of 400 pages of documents from the Justice Department, those documents on the Biden
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payoffs and gifts. And also with us, the great Brent Bozell. He's a conservative activist,
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founder of the Media Research Center, which keeps a keen, watchful eye on the left-wing media.
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Please be with us. Thanks for joining us. And God bless you. God bless America.