The Great America Show - AUDIT THE 3-LETTER AGENCIES!

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.

00:00:05.040 It's great to have you with us.

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00:00:09.780 President Trump proving to be, once again, as always, the greatest president of all time,

00:00:15.980 but proving to be a uniter in chief, even for the blue states.

00:00:20.680 New York, one that he lost by over a million votes.

00:00:23.600 Donald Trump fighting for us New Yorkers.

00:00:25.780 The Trump administration is moving to end what he says is an unconstitutional congestion pricing

00:00:31.460 put in effect by our governor, Kathy Hochul,

00:00:34.860 fulfilling a campaign promise to reverse the policy that tolls drivers

00:00:38.340 who enter Manhattan's busiest streets at any given point in the day.

00:00:44.320 Kathy Hochul, the governor, not happy about it.

00:00:46.720 You may recall, those of you who don't live in New York, when she was running for re-election,

00:00:50.880 she had said, oh, you know, we're not going to do the congestion pricing.

00:00:55.780 As soon as that election ended, she went ahead and put in congestion pricing,

00:00:59.660 which fines New Yorkers for driving through New York City.

00:01:03.380 Imagine that.

00:01:03.980 Folks who are getting to work, folks who have to go to work,

00:01:06.440 have to pay a special price if you want to drive through New York City.

00:01:09.220 So Donald Trump, once again, proving to be a uniter in chief.

00:01:13.680 Also, Elon Musk, another uniter.

00:01:16.740 Elon Musk and Donald Trump are reportedly looking at a form of a tax rebate

00:01:20.920 for the American people with the money that they're going to recoup

00:01:24.760 and save for the Doge Committee.

00:01:27.900 It'll come as a form of a dividend check or tax refund to every single taxpayer

00:01:32.760 funded by the savings of the Doge Committee.

00:01:36.240 Folks, we're going to talk all about that on today's show and the money,

00:01:39.400 the wasteful spending that we've spent here in the government,

00:01:41.940 and the money that we're going to continue to save or start to save,

00:01:45.840 I should say, under this administration, under the watchful eye of the great Elon Musk.

00:01:52.400 Our guest today is a fan favorite of The Great America Show.

00:01:55.820 His name is Russ Tice.

00:01:56.960 He's a former senior NSA intel analyst and a whistleblower.

00:02:01.080 Russ Tice, it's great, as always, to have you back with us here on The Great America Show.

00:02:04.300 I hope you enjoyed your vacation, your holidays, but now it's time to get back to work

00:02:07.760 because people have been asking, where's Russ Tice?

00:02:09.780 They thought maybe the deep state had gotten you,

00:02:11.640 but the problem is you're smarter than almost every single person in that place,

00:02:16.000 so they can't get you.

00:02:17.980 So, Russ, as I said, great to have you back with us.

00:02:20.540 So much going on right now.

00:02:22.380 Tulsi Gabbard officially taking her post.

00:02:25.180 Mike Waltz, hard at work.

00:02:26.600 Marco Rubio doing a far better job than I would have ever imagined at Secretary of State.

00:02:31.380 He's got me completely surprised lining himself up for possible promotion at some point in his career.

00:02:36.780 So I want to start today's show, if you can, with a full assessment on where we are right now

00:02:43.100 in the intel agencies, where we need to go and where we need to be and how we get there.

00:02:51.700 Well, you know, that's, you know, we're about to see Cash Battelle hopefully get confirmed.

00:02:59.500 And although the FBI would like to consider them an intel agency, they really are not.

00:03:05.540 They're law enforcement.

00:03:06.860 But that one needs to be just, you know, deep six from the jump, I think.

00:03:13.040 But, I mean, the intel community has a pretty important role.

00:03:16.820 You know, our job is to make sure that our leaders know what's going on

00:03:21.780 so they can make decisions that affect our national security.

00:03:26.860 And, unfortunately, they haven't been doing that job.

00:03:30.780 It's, you know, DEI and all these self-serving things.

00:03:36.000 And as you know from the past, I mean, the reason, you know, I'm basically here

00:03:40.280 and what happened to me with my career is I found out that NSA and the intelligence community

00:03:46.300 was basically blackmailing the Congress, the judges, the key elected leaders

00:03:53.780 and for their own, you know, to make sure that whatever budget thing came up,

00:04:00.020 that the intel community got whatever.

00:04:01.560 And, by the way, when was the last time you ever heard of an intel budget being challenged

00:04:06.260 or being culled?

00:04:07.580 Even a little bit, mind you.

00:04:09.660 Basically, the way it works is, you know, they'll ask for, you know, $100 billion for something.

00:04:15.860 And Congress will say, well, how about we give you an extra $20 billion, extra $30 billion?

00:04:19.400 Would you like an extra $40 billion with that?

00:04:21.420 That's how basically it works.

00:04:22.780 And it's been that way for 25 years.

00:04:25.360 So we have an awful lot of things in the intel community that are a problem.

00:04:31.500 There is a valid reason to be there.

00:04:33.260 But a lot of that leadership needs to be culled.

00:04:38.980 And the first thing I would do is I'd probably fire every senior executive service SES person in there.

00:04:44.800 Because I'll tell you, even when I was there, all the SESs walk around with a coffee cup

00:04:49.960 and they pop into your office and waste your time and yap in about days gone by.

00:04:54.840 You know, like Bruce Springsteen's glory taste song.

00:04:59.240 And then, you know, it's just – and then they go off to the next office wasting somebody else's time.

00:05:05.260 So I think we ought to fire all the SESs.

00:05:10.960 Then the 15s that want to be SESs, let them all become – because remember, if you're an SES, you're at will.

00:05:18.760 Tell the audience what an SES is, Russ.

00:05:20.580 A senior executive service is someone who's beyond the GS scale, the government service scale.

00:05:25.520 And, of course, you get paid a lot more, too, to basically you become sort of like a senior advisor

00:05:31.500 within the agency that you're in and you're especially what have you.

00:05:36.500 And these guys, they're at will.

00:05:39.520 So they are no longer protected by the normal civil service protections unless you were me.

00:05:46.660 And, of course, they trashed me by taking my security clearance.

00:05:51.080 But an SES can be fired, you know, on a moment's notice.

00:05:57.960 I'd fire them.

00:05:58.800 I'd let the 15s become SESs. 1.00

00:06:00.660 And once they become SESs, I'd fire all them.

00:06:02.780 And then let the 14s become 15s and then try to, you know, basically go in and sift out how many of the newly minted 15s are worth keeping 0.96

00:06:17.740 and how many of the rest of them need to be just given an early buyout or just put out the pasture in some way or another.

00:06:25.720 How many are there, Russ, in your best judgment?

00:06:28.340 Boy, that's a good question.

00:06:31.100 I mean, you've got the big ones, NSA, CIA, DIA.

00:06:37.440 But you've also got the other services, Army, Navy, Air Force.

00:06:41.500 They all have their own intel services.

00:06:43.920 Pulling out the military, guys, let's look towards.

00:06:46.860 Well, those aren't military.

00:06:48.100 These are civilians that work for the military in intel positions.

00:06:54.500 When I worked with the Navy, I was a civilian who worked for Naval Intelligence, being the only Air Force guy.

00:07:04.260 I took a lot of jokes from the Navy guys, but you've got to accept that.

00:07:08.760 But, yeah, everybody thinks military.

00:07:11.740 I think, oh, everyone that's in uniform.

00:07:13.260 Oh, no.

00:07:13.880 I mean, you're certainly working with guys and gals in the military.

00:07:16.380 But there's an awful lot of civilians there as well.

00:07:19.540 So it's people don't realize.

00:07:21.560 And then the contractors.

00:07:23.060 You've got, Russ, especially at places like NSA and CIA, you have tons and tons of contractors that work side by side.

00:07:32.720 And they do a lot of the they build the systems.

00:07:35.080 And then we're going to talk about a little waste.

00:07:37.960 And there's a lot of waste that's involved there, too.

00:07:39.740 But, you know, there's a lot of things that go on in the intel service that aside from, you know, you know, whether you have a president in there and everyone's going to forget their job and start spying on Americans or, you know, whoever's going to a Catholic service in Latin and using your spying capabilities or, you know, collecting every daggone communication to the country and send it to Bluffdale, Utah.

00:08:03.320 You know, there's there's a lot of things that are going on that need to be stopped and a lot of waste that needs to be stopped.

00:08:11.700 Yet you've got to remember, there is a legitimate, a legitimate reason for these services for national security.

00:08:19.000 And that's that's that fine line that has to be walked.

00:08:21.700 You know, you just can't.

00:08:23.260 To me, I think you can you can trash can everything that most of the FBI do a lot of that stuff through the to the Marshals Service.

00:08:30.740 But you really can't do that in Intel because they have a legitimate, you know, mission.

00:08:36.940 So how many how many of your best judgment are there that need to be fired?

00:08:41.760 Jeez, I'd say.

00:08:44.800 Maybe two, three thousand.

00:08:47.920 How many people as a whole would you best guess are in the Intel community?

00:08:53.000 That's classified, by the way, your best judgment, your best guess.

00:08:56.760 Well, the largest Intel service is NSA.

00:09:01.080 Yeah.

00:09:01.540 And and if I knew exactly, I wouldn't be able to say.

00:09:05.220 But Edward Snowden came out with some numbers and and you were looking at well over 60,000 just.

00:09:14.060 Wow.

00:09:14.580 And that was just that's just the the government, military people.

00:09:20.040 That's not including the the contractor support.

00:09:23.900 Wow.

00:09:24.480 Many tens of thousands more beyond that 60,000.

00:09:28.620 And that was Edward Snowden was what, 13 years ago.

00:09:32.480 So it's grown vastly since that 60,000 that he's marked.

00:09:38.540 So they online, they're reporting it's about half that at 32,000, which is sort of a little bit of a discrepancy.

00:09:45.040 Remember, that was just NSA.

00:09:46.740 I'm not including that.

00:09:48.060 That's what I'm saying.

00:09:48.760 And I say so that that's sort of interesting.

00:09:50.760 So now you go down the list of some of these other agencies.

00:09:54.440 I mean, what's your best guess of it?

00:09:56.120 I'm not asking if you know or you don't know or if you read it somewhere.

00:10:00.140 What would you say over the course of our say the NSA, the CIA and the DIA?

00:10:05.420 What the total is?

00:10:06.900 Is it 200,000?

00:10:08.780 I bet that probably CIA is maybe 20,000.

00:10:14.620 I bet I have no idea about the FBI.

00:10:17.920 I know they have district offices all over the country.

00:10:20.820 Sometimes they send people overseas.

00:10:22.220 But all in all, it's probably well over 200,000.

00:10:33.020 You remember, we're also talking military, the Intel capabilities, uniform or no.

00:10:41.180 And then we have not even added on to the contractors.

00:10:47.220 The contractors, even at NSA, the NSA is everyone thinks the main campus at NSA is Fort Meade.

00:10:53.720 But they have outlined buildings and office buildings all over around Fort Meade to the point of about 50 buildings, 50, 5-0 all over.

00:11:04.820 There's a building for the architecture where they're building more buildings.

00:11:09.920 And there's a building in many logistics buildings.

00:11:12.560 There's the FANX, the CANX, the, you know, the different, you know, CANX means the Columbia Annex.

00:11:23.900 And FANX means the Friendship Annex.

00:11:25.780 And that's up by the airport at Baltimore's airport.

00:11:30.020 And there's many, many offsets as well from NSA.

00:11:34.280 And there's a place where CIA and NSA work together.

00:11:40.120 And I'm not going to give any details about that place.

00:11:43.280 But, and that's a whole other big facility.

00:11:46.680 So it's, they're all over the place, especially here in Central Maryland.

00:11:51.000 And then, of course, NSA, we have all those listening stations all over the world where, as a young fellow in uniform in the Air Force,

00:11:57.360 I spent, you know, two and a half years overseas with CANX on my head listening to certain things that were going on in the world.

00:12:06.220 So it's very large.

00:12:10.680 And now, of course, now we've got the big Bluffdale facility for data storage.

00:12:15.100 We have about half that size, a brand new facility at Fort Meade.

00:12:18.680 Fort Meade, by the way, they had two 18-hole golf courses.

00:12:23.580 One was called Applewood and one was called Parks.

00:12:27.360 They decided to wipe out the golf courses to build new buildings on.

00:12:34.860 Now, some of that was DISA.

00:12:36.000 They brought in a couple of other agencies, DISA and I forget who else came in.

00:12:42.280 But still, NSA started packing off a whole two golf courses worth of real estate.

00:12:48.380 And some of those, it was, the fairways were quite long, longer than your average fairway.

00:12:55.860 So they had a lot of real estate and they packed all those things full of new buildings.

00:13:00.180 So it's humongous.

00:13:02.360 So I'm looking at something right here, something from WikiLeaks, which, full disclosure, I don't know Julian Assange or I've never met him before.

00:13:12.060 But according to some of the studies he's done, he's saying maybe over 100,000 work at just the CIA alone.

00:13:19.240 Now, that's the only one that you can't get an estimate on after looking through it.

00:13:23.180 You said about 60,000 NSA, 45, about 40,000 the FBI, 20,000 at the DIA.

00:13:29.380 I mean, those are just the three main ones.

00:13:30.820 You've obviously got 18.

00:13:32.100 I think it's 18, right, in the total intelligence community, all in all, with the military and Coast Guard.

00:13:38.420 You know, you get on the list of them.

00:13:40.640 But that'd be remarkable.

00:13:42.680 So let's call it, Russ, in the big three, the big four, 200,000 people.

00:13:49.560 What in the world?

00:13:51.840 200,000 people is like the population of some places.

00:13:56.020 What in the world?

00:13:57.380 With contractors, it's probably more than that.

00:13:59.200 Oh, it's probably double that, so we'll call it 400,000 and be conservative.

00:14:03.980 Russ, what are 400,000 people actually doing?

00:14:08.240 Some are doing, you know, valid jobs.

00:14:11.880 I have a brother and his job is to build racks and facilities with equipment that we do some of our, you know, things, you know, surveillance things with.

00:14:27.520 And he works for a contractor, so the agency will say, we need a system to do this with this kind of equipment.

00:14:35.660 He designs it all, and they go out, and they install it wherever, you know, they need it.

00:14:40.360 Now, that's a valid job because we're going overseas.

00:14:43.940 We build these systems, and we put on our big ears, and we listen to hopefully bad guys doing bad things or, you know, planning bad things.

00:14:51.840 That's what the agency is for, but then you've got, you've got, you know, we haven't got into the waste thing.

00:14:58.280 You've got agencies or you've got contractors that are basically looking mainly for a clearance, for someone with a clearance, and it doesn't matter.

00:15:09.520 They need the equivalent of a computer programmer for writing code for some, you know, whatever algorithms for a capability.

00:15:19.440 And the person they find has a, you know, a bachelor's degree in accounting, and they hire them because they have a security clearance to be coding, you know, for an end system to do surveillance.

00:15:35.700 So you have mismatches like that.

00:15:37.600 It's basically, instead of shopping for the position, and then looking for the right people, then clearing them, they look for the clearance first, then plug people into jobs that they don't have a clue what they're doing, and hopefully they can catch on somehow.

00:15:54.940 It quite often is failures, and that in itself blows billions and billions of dollars just by shopping for clearance, not capability.

00:16:02.900 And a lot of that is because they went to a lot of contractors versus keeping government employees with designated positions.

00:16:12.380 Very interesting.

00:16:13.260 We're talking about Russ Tice, folks.

00:16:14.720 He's a former senior NSA intel analyst and great American and a whistleblower, a very good American on that front.

00:16:22.540 We're going to come right back with Russ.

00:16:24.700 When we continue, I want to go a little bit deeper into this intel stuff and what it means for President Trump.

00:16:30.680 And can he have a fair shake this time of people who are doing the right thing for this country?

00:16:36.300 Now, I also want to take up some of this wasteful spending you had mentioned and how we can trim some of the fat.

00:16:41.820 I'm still mind boggled.

00:16:43.140 I can't even think straight to think that we've got over 400,000, Russ, in just three or four agencies.

00:16:50.880 And I have to assume we can probably do that job with half or a quarter of what that is.

00:16:57.340 We're going to come right back with Russ.

00:16:58.580 So I want to get your take on this when we return, folks.

00:17:00.460 Once again, we're talking with our good friend, Russ Tice.

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00:18:05.420 Folks, we're back.

00:18:08.800 We're talking with Russ Tice, former senior NSA intel analyst.

00:18:12.280 So much for me to say.

00:18:13.400 I struggle to get that out every time, but I got it out that time.

00:18:16.760 Russ, we were talking about the intel community, everything that comes with it.

00:18:19.960 We're going to get to the wasteful spending that you believe is happening right now inside the IC.

00:18:26.100 Before we get to that, I want to talk about an issue that President Trump has had since his first term, and it was loyalty.

00:18:33.840 It was people who didn't have the best interest of Donald Trump's administration.

00:18:37.540 They didn't have the best interest of this country.

00:18:40.200 We'll take, for example, Mark Milley, apparently talking to China behind Trump's back, holding the nuclear codes from the president.

00:18:49.560 A long list of bad things.

00:18:51.080 It turns out he gets a pardon as Joe Biden leaves, which makes you wonder what he really did more than what we know.

00:18:57.360 Do you think Donald Trump gets a fair shake this time?

00:19:00.220 Will the intel community keep intel from him anymore, or will he have an intel community that is fully transparent in what's going on?

00:19:10.480 Well, first, you know, I think he learned his lesson the last time where he picked people that were backstabbers.

00:19:15.280 And then ultimately the intel service, they just ignored him, said, we're just not going to do anything he wants, or we're not going to tell him anything.

00:19:23.520 What's her name at CIA?

00:19:26.620 Gina Haskell.

00:19:27.900 I think Trump kind of figured out she was not loyal and was setting my fire.

00:19:32.340 And I think she shed some crocodile tears, and I think our president fell for it.

00:19:36.640 So, you know, he needs loyal people.

00:19:42.780 Now, I think he's done that.

00:19:44.500 You know, he's found people that are loyal to the cause.

00:19:47.960 Now he needs to find people that are specialists in the field that know where to find these things to help those loyal people,

00:19:56.180 to help those directors and secretaries to do the job that he needs to follow his agenda.

00:20:03.180 Otherwise, like I think I've said in the past, there's going to be the intel community especially will try to blow smoke up the, you know,

00:20:12.240 the executives and the closest to the White House executives, you know, cabooses to just, you know, bells and whistles, dog and pony shows.

00:20:23.160 And because, you know, I can give you examples of briefings that I've seen where they change the name of programs,

00:20:32.220 and they say, well, we can't tell you this because you're a committee on defense because that's intel.

00:20:36.780 Then they change it to another thing.

00:20:38.060 When it's the defense committee, they say, we can't tell you because it's intel.

00:20:41.160 And it's a little shell game.

00:20:43.040 It's like the guy with the shells with a little marble in it or a little pea in it back and forth.

00:20:47.600 You've got to figure out where the daggone, you know, the marble is underneath the shells.

00:20:52.320 So they play these little games.

00:20:54.660 And people that don't have experience or know that they're being basically had,

00:21:01.340 they don't know, you know, that the wool is being pulled over their eyes.

00:21:04.820 So that's the next step.

00:21:06.280 You've got to have people that you can trust and that know the business enough

00:21:12.440 that they can whisper in the ear of their primary to say, hey, they're trying to game you here.

00:21:20.520 They're playing you.

00:21:22.660 It's unbelievable.

00:21:24.120 A man who's taken aim at everything that's going on.

00:21:27.500 The infamous Elon Musk becoming a best friend to President Trump.

00:21:32.160 Elon Musk's son, X, becoming a fan favorite over at the White House.

00:21:36.880 Still, a kid, I don't even know how old he is, three or four years old.

00:21:40.620 And the kid looks like a genius already.

00:21:43.820 But the Marxist left having a meltdown, Russ, and it perplexes me every day.

00:21:48.640 And the audience is probably tired of hearing me talk about it.

00:21:50.980 But I'm just so confused.

00:21:52.380 There's very few things that confuse me in this world.

00:21:54.480 And this is one of them.

00:21:55.740 Usually you hear fights about wasteful spending.

00:21:58.740 And, you know, the Democrats are all in favor of spending more.

00:22:03.440 And the Republicans are in favor of spending more.

00:22:04.860 Now you're hearing them complaining about wanting to cut backspending because there's wasteful spending in all aspects of the government.

00:22:12.880 Can you give me an assessment looking at the IC, the intelligence community, on where the bloat is, how much can be cut, the total budgets that need to be slashed, and where we start?

00:22:26.740 A lot of that bloat is with those contractors.

00:22:31.720 That's the first place I would look.

00:22:36.020 They have positions where they just want to fill a position, and they'll make up work.

00:22:43.360 It's like, okay, you know, this person might be a specialist in this or that.

00:22:47.020 But they say, well, we don't have something for that, but the person has a clearance.

00:22:49.960 Let's hire them. 1.00

00:22:50.860 And then we're going to pay this person $130,000 a year to take notes at meetings and type them up and ship them to the people who are at the meeting and or to whoever might be interested in what happened in the meeting that is cleared for that program system, what have you.

00:23:09.800 So there's crazy stuff like that going on, and that is the first place to look is the contractors.

00:23:17.600 When you have people like Hayden that basically – and I'll hit one per – I mean, I've got a whole list of things we can talk about here.

00:23:24.540 Let's go.

00:23:25.420 But there's a system called Trailblazer or a program called Trailblazer.

00:23:30.080 It's where they tried to take a lot of things and give them to contractors to do that was being done by GSs and government service people.

00:23:39.800 And the system was to do – to bring in a lot of information that – by the way, ultimately, they used to spy on Americans, which is what I blew the whistle on.

00:23:52.080 But there's a guy named Bill Binney who was in charge of the tech program that they came up with another system.

00:23:58.740 By the way, Trailblazer was billions of dollars, and General Hayden was picking out all these contractors.

00:24:05.520 There's the – and Bill Binney came up with – and some of his folks came up with a system called ThinThread that would cost just a few hundred million, like two, three hundred million to do the same thing.

00:24:18.400 And it had an audit capability, and it culled and filtered information out before it even would be collected.

00:24:28.340 And Hayden went with the multibillion-dollar program instead of the one that would cost like 200 million.

00:24:35.060 They had far better capabilities and audit capabilities to make sure if anybody's dipping in there to do nefarious things, which is what they did to spy on Congress and to spy on the executives and to spy on all the pushers and shakers in D.C. and elsewhere, that you could find out with an audit system.

00:24:53.760 They didn't want an audit system, but they – and they spent billions of dollars on Trailblazer, which was a disaster.

00:25:00.980 And there's one.

00:25:02.080 Now, notice this is called Groundbreaker.

00:25:03.820 Groundbreaker was to be able to take IT services and consolidate them and bring in contractors to do that particular job.

00:25:12.140 The problem was back to hiring people that had clearances versus the technical capabilities.

00:25:18.060 And if a government service wants to hire, you want to hire a GSIT guy, you find the person with the specialties, the degrees and the capabilities and the certificates, and then you vet them and look in their background, make sure they're not axe murderers or what have you.

00:25:35.360 And then you hire them, and that takes time, but at least you get the right person for the job.

00:25:40.100 You know, I'll give you a little example.

00:25:42.380 I worked in a vault for doing SAT programs, special access programs, and it's a very, very, very classified environment as far as the restrictions of who could be allowed in there.

00:25:54.080 We called them vaults.

00:25:55.740 And my phone went out.

00:25:58.660 The ringer on the phone went out of my phone.

00:26:02.760 Now, instead, a little light would still flash, but the ringer went out.

00:26:06.200 So I put in a work order to have my phone fixed, right?

00:26:10.100 Now, this is an unclassified phone, but it had what's called Stu capabilities.

00:26:13.900 A Stu card is you put it in, plug it in your unclassified phone, and someone you're calling, if you're in New York and you have a Stu, you plug your Stu card in, and we can talk at a super classified level on an unclassified line because it's encrypted.

00:26:28.200 Well, it's that kind of a phone, but all I needed was the ringer, you know, ring, ring.

00:26:34.360 That's all I needed, right?

00:26:35.460 So I'm waiting for months.

00:26:38.540 And finally, this woman calls on our gray line.

00:26:41.400 Gray line is the dedicated secure line.

00:26:44.460 It's always secure.

00:26:46.200 And she says, I've been trying to get in touch with you for months to finish this order to fix your phone.

00:26:53.980 And I've been calling you repeatedly.

00:26:57.320 The order is to fix the ringer on the phone.

00:27:00.460 And she's the person to fix the phone.

00:27:04.980 Me and my coworkers are, and when she finally came to fix the phone, we're trying to give her hints like, gee, I'm so sorry that I didn't get in touch with you.

00:27:14.860 I just, you know, if only I could have gotten one of your calls.

00:27:19.260 It never once did it faze her that the thing she was there to fix the phone for was the same thing she was trying to notify me because she could not get into the vault because of all the super classification security arrangements to get her into the vault. 0.97

00:27:32.660 And it's just stupidity like that, this kind of, but, you know, that's just, you know, more wasted money for things of that nature. 0.94

00:27:45.480 There's things like, I mean, NSA went out and bought web data, you know, for millions and millions of dollars. 0.99

00:27:53.740 For what?

00:27:54.760 Why would they need web data?

00:27:56.480 Because they already collect your phone information.

00:27:59.200 Right.

00:27:59.760 They got to marry up what you do on your phone with what you look at on the web.

00:28:06.180 Wow.

00:28:06.620 That's what they were doing with that.

00:28:08.620 Russ, this brings up my point about just 400,000 people we're talking about.

00:28:13.460 It's well, obviously, into the millions when you go into the other 15 other agencies in the IC that we haven't spoken about.

00:28:21.420 What are the billions here?

00:28:22.860 Ultimately, this lines up to billions of dollars.

00:28:25.920 Well, the estimate I saw in this report that I read from 2009 was at 65 percent of the world's intelligence spending.

00:28:35.160 You spend about 78 billion dollars a year on it.

00:28:37.880 And it makes you wonder, Russ, what do these people do for a living that they're going to get a paycheck?

00:28:42.960 And you're right.

00:28:43.700 It's these military contractors who come in and make a boatload, a $2 million contract here, a $3 million contract here and there and there.

00:28:53.740 And you send them over to Afghanistan and you send them over to Iraq and you send them to fix things diplomatically and to clean up places. 1.00

00:29:02.100 And they only leave it worse off than it was when they come back.

00:29:06.800 But it's just mind blowing to me that we have this many people working in the intelligence community when it seems like, Russ, there's really no intelligence.

00:29:18.500 I mean, I understand there's probably attacks on the homeland each and every day that are thwarted.

00:29:24.840 But, you know, you hear about a few every now and then.

00:29:28.800 But you think about the ones that weren't thwarted and looking at a smaller scale, Russ, and anytime anyone's life is lost, it's obviously not small.

00:29:37.520 But I'm saying relatively speaking to something like 9-11 where there was over 3,000 people killed.

00:29:42.280 But you look at school shootings, right?

00:29:44.240 You look at the guy out in San Bernardino, California.

00:29:48.020 You look at the guy up in Buffalo who shot up a grocery store.

00:29:51.420 And, Russ, time and time again, you know what we find out?

00:29:54.900 I don't think in the last, we'll say, 10 years there's been a shooting, a mass shooting, a casualty somewhere, where it didn't come out afterwards that somebody knew about it.

00:30:05.480 The FBI knew about it.

00:30:07.160 Some local police department knew about it.

00:30:09.460 Teachers in the school knew about it.

00:30:12.440 I'd have to assume each and every single one of them that I can recall.

00:30:17.020 The FBI says, oh, yeah, he was on our watch list.

00:30:19.160 Oh, yeah, we met.

00:30:20.300 You had the guy, the kid in Georgia who shot up the school.

00:30:23.260 And there's a recording of the police going to the kid's house saying, hey, did you post on Facebook?

00:30:28.240 They have the post.

00:30:29.260 Did you post on Facebook that you wanted to shoot up a school?

00:30:31.560 And the kid's dad sitting there angrily looking at him because he has no idea what had happened.

00:30:36.400 And the kid goes, no, I didn't say that.

00:30:38.520 And the cop goes, well, are you sure?

00:30:39.780 And the kid goes, yeah.

00:30:40.900 And the cop looks to him and says, well, I have to assume you're telling me the truth, knowing damn well they have the post.

00:30:46.040 But it's time and time again.

00:30:47.280 And the local police I'm talking about aren't even part of these million-plus people who are working in the community.

00:30:53.680 But what do these people do, Russ, that time and time again, 9-11, how many times were we told that 9-11 may happen?

00:31:01.960 It happened under the watch the eye of our intelligence community.

00:31:05.480 How many times do we have to have this community fail us for us to say, OK, maybe this isn't working.

00:31:12.980 Maybe the million-plus people we have working here, maybe the $75 billion, and that's in 2009, Russ.

00:31:18.340 So it's got to be probably double now with inflation.

00:31:20.780 With 9-11, we were screaming at Hayden to please, please give us more Arabic and Urdu and Farsi linguists.

00:31:29.720 Please give us more linguists.

00:31:30.920 We're collecting all this information.

00:31:32.820 Remember, I'm doing my satellite stuff, and I'm collecting a lot of stuff.

00:31:35.920 And a lot of my stuff isn't being processed because we don't have the linguists.

00:31:41.460 And I'm like, we need linguists desperately.

00:31:44.460 Hell, even get a freaking cab driver in the country who speaks, you know, and just have them filter stuff, just translate stuff at a lower level, 0.82

00:31:54.840 and then have an analyst look at to see, you know, filter out where the threat might be. 0.96

00:31:59.560 But he kept buying all these web warriors.

00:32:01.620 Now, you know, at that point, NSA was falling behind as far as some of the tech stuff.

00:32:07.620 And Hayden, at one time at a Pentagon meeting, he got rimmed for that.

00:32:11.160 I was at that meeting.

00:32:12.440 But he hires all these web warriors.

00:32:15.120 And ultimately, we had the information like two days before that that attack was going to happen, but it wasn't translated.

00:32:23.360 So, but we hired all these web warriors. 0.94

00:32:26.360 And what do the web warriors, what are they used for?

00:32:28.560 To spy domestically on American citizens.

00:32:30.440 Right. 0.93

00:32:32.520 It's, and I've got a whole bunch more examples of crazy, crazy crap that some of it is just hubris that, and you can't imagine that, you know, 0.80

00:32:44.000 if you want to hear them, I'll give you some more. 0.80

00:32:45.660 But it's just, it's just insane some of the stuff that goes on as far as the waste.

00:32:49.840 It blows my mind up, Russ, because I know, being a New Yorker, how many people died on 9-11 that I was friends with, how many kids I went to school with whose father didn't come home because he was a firefighter or he was a cop.

00:33:02.020 I had an uncle who passed away in September from brain cancer from cleaning up 9-11 to break.

00:33:08.160 You know what it was like for his family, for my cousins, for my aunt who passed away just before him to get $250,000 out of the city, that they were squeezing the families for $250,000 money that from the victim's compensation fund that the city wouldn't give to them.

00:33:23.120 How sick and demented this country has gotten, Russ, it's mind-blowing and so troubling to me.

00:33:30.840 And wasn't that after the governor of New York said that the atmosphere, the air is perfectly fine?

00:33:35.220 Yeah, yep, yep, no masks.

00:33:37.500 Lines through their bloody teeth.

00:33:41.020 Russ, they said masks helped us during COVID from a cough, but you didn't need to wear a mask down at ground zero from the asbestos, from the pipes burning, from the metal melting, from the carcinogens, from the bodies that were burning.

00:33:53.380 You didn't need to wear a mask.

00:33:54.640 That was fine.

00:33:55.280 They sent these guys in because they didn't care.

00:33:57.320 They said, just go ahead and get the job done.

00:33:59.240 We'll deal with it later.

00:34:00.500 And the dealing with it later was that each family member who died from 9-11 or some sort of, you got a measly $250,000.

00:34:07.320 And that was back from 2001.

00:34:08.960 So you look at inflation now, it's probably worth half that at $100,000.

00:34:12.660 What price do you put on a life, Russ?

00:34:14.740 Is it $100,000?

00:34:16.580 If you ask me, I'd tell you my wife is worth $100 million, $100 billion.

00:34:20.740 You can't put a price on a loved one.

00:34:22.540 You know, that doesn't come home that night.

00:34:24.840 Yet we have our government who's been completely deceitful and lied to us about so much stuff along the way.

00:34:30.960 And it's the reason why you and I are sitting here today talking about it.

00:34:33.920 Russ, I want to take one more quick break here.

00:34:35.720 When we return, the conversation continues.

00:34:38.540 I need to go get a sip of coffee because I am heated right now.

00:34:42.000 We're coming right back.

00:34:42.600 We'll make you more ticked off if you want to hear some more of this stuff.

00:34:45.720 We're coming right back with Russ Tice.

00:34:47.380 He's a former senior NSA intel analyst and whistleblower.

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00:35:55.900 We're talking with Russ Tice, a great friend of the show, former senior NSA intel analyst

00:36:00.280 and whistleblower.

00:36:01.420 Russ, on the topic of wasteful spending, we could have spent another hour and a half

00:36:05.480 talking about it, probably more, maybe a few days.

00:36:09.840 I want to turn to Fort Knox and get your assessment on what's going on down there.

00:36:15.160 Elon Musk, I think I was reading this morning, the last time Fort Knox was audited

00:36:19.260 was like 1974, 1975, so 50 years, just about, give or take, a year or two.

00:36:26.620 50 years was the last time.

00:36:28.160 And my running joke on this show has been, if Senator Bob Menendez was anywhere near that 0.97

00:36:32.540 damn place, there ain't an ounce of gold left in it. 0.96

00:36:36.180 50 years, and Russ, Elon Musk wants to audit it and go check and make sure there's gold there. 0.99

00:36:43.060 The Marks and Stems don't want to let him down there. 1.00

00:36:45.380 What's going on?

00:36:47.700 Good question.

00:36:48.580 I mean, the rumor has been for years that there's nothing but cobwebs in those vaults.

00:36:53.300 So let's find out.

00:36:57.800 So I'm all for Mr. Musk and his musketeers to go down there and find the hell out.

00:37:05.580 Just like, you know, we need to have some of the same ilk in our intel services.

00:37:10.940 But, I mean, it's fighting these Democrats for doing any of this.

00:37:15.200 I mean, this is, first of all, it's under the executive.

00:37:18.420 And that just happens to be a guy named Trump, if I recall, to run the executive service.

00:37:24.340 So how can these judges say that there's no, you know, they have no ability to do so when they've been given the gratis of the President of the United States to do, you know, do they expect the President of the United States to go to Fort Knox and count the gold bars?

00:37:42.500 So, you know, I think they wanted Hunter Biden and Joe Biden and Jim Biden to go down there and count the and do a great account.

00:37:52.020 I mean, bring the rest of his crackhead friends with him.

00:37:55.020 Bring Bob Menendez down there with you.

00:37:57.760 Senator Goldbar himself.

00:37:59.220 Bring them all.

00:38:00.120 Bring them all and go check the place out.

00:38:02.020 But they don't want Elon Musk to go down there, a man who doesn't need to steal, a man who doesn't need another dollar for the rest of his life, a man who has really no skin in the game here.

00:38:13.380 He's not going to make another dollar.

00:38:14.460 He gets government contracts regardless if he's friends with Trump or not, because the truth of the matter is, you may recall, we don't have a thing called NASA anymore.

00:38:22.800 Obama abolished our astronaut program.

00:38:26.320 So we have to rely on Elon Musk.

00:38:28.320 So the people who are saying Elon Musk is doing this to garner business, this is hurting his business.

00:38:34.040 He's probably going to sell less cars this year from these liberals who buy electric cars.

00:38:38.640 His government contracts are what they are and will be what they will be.

00:38:41.760 And he said anything that has to do with his businesses, he will keep completely separate and he will not get involved in with the federal government.

00:38:49.560 And I truly believe him.

00:38:50.980 I trust him because, like I said, the world's richest man is the world's smartest man.

00:38:54.400 He doesn't need that.

00:38:55.960 I think he truly wants to make a difference in this world and cut spending like we've never seen before.

00:39:02.540 But the Democrats, Russ, are losing their mind over Fort Knox.

00:39:07.040 They're also losing their mind over him auditing the IRS.

00:39:10.060 So one of Elon Musk's guys, his Doge boys, a guy named Gavin Klinger, he's a software engineer who works with Doge.

00:39:18.700 He's going to be based at the IRS for 120 days and will reportedly have access to the tax agency's data, according to CNN reporting.

00:39:27.620 Klinger, he will work as a senior advisor to the IRS acting commissioner.

00:39:31.460 OK, it's one guy, one guy who's going to go in there and probably this goes back to what I was saying before about a million people.

00:39:38.140 There is this one guy who's probably the job of 10 people with the click of a button and technology.

00:39:42.160 He'll be able to figure out abnormalities and trends and things that aren't good.

00:39:46.800 OK, so they're they're melting down about this.

00:39:50.220 There was a Treasury report back in twenty twenty three of September that as many as nine hundred and nineteen individuals had access to unmasked IRS data under Joe Biden.

00:40:01.040 One person, nine hundred and nineteen people.

00:40:03.800 Yet they're having a total meltdown about it.

00:40:07.000 What's your thoughts, Russ, about him auditing the IRS, the folks who come and audit us?

00:40:13.080 Well, the Democrats are trying to make this a Sisyphusian task to get this this boulder up this mountain.

00:40:20.480 And we would just find out that the Social Security is sending checks to to thousands of people that are that are one hundred and twenty, one hundred and fifty years old or more.

00:40:33.800 Wow. You know, that's incredible.

00:40:35.940 I'd like to meet some of these folks and get there, you know, what their recipe is for longevity.

00:40:40.380 But, you know, the fact that they're that they're doing everything they can means that they're part and parcel to this.

00:40:50.460 And every time it comes out, they look bad.

00:40:53.400 And then you're going to find out that they've got their fingers with the contractors that have stuff that's involved with this.

00:40:59.640 And that's how that's how someone who walks into Congress is worth two hundred thousand walks out, making two and worth two hundred million.

00:41:09.120 So this this nonsense is coming out.

00:41:12.620 And ultimately, think about this.

00:41:14.460 Because every time this comes out and the American people are going, holy moly, that's my tax money.

00:41:19.560 Right.

00:41:19.920 And there and then this information is going to be used.

00:41:23.500 Oh, by the way, Mr. Tax, Mr. Democrat, you you tried to keep Mr. Musk's musketeers from finding this information out.

00:41:33.500 Uh, uh, uh, rough fighting tooth and nail and sick in the, uh, the sycophant, uh, uh, liberal judges, these, uh, legislative judges, you know, to try to do everything to stop it.

00:41:46.420 And and and you're you are the people that are supporting this government being out of control that to the point where we were thirty six trillion dollars in debt. 0.99

00:41:56.140 Um, so, I mean, they supported that, you know, even the raging Cajun down there in Louisiana has said, you've got to you, you've got to be stop being stupid because we can use this as a as a cudgel to beat the hell out of them. 0.97

00:42:11.480 And then the next, you know, ten elections. 0.94

00:42:14.320 Yeah, I've never heard, Russ, if someone called me and said I can save you, what's the Geico commercial, 15 minutes can save you 15% or more on car insurance.

00:42:23.660 If someone calls me and says they can save me money on this, I'm all for it.

00:42:26.820 It doesn't matter where it is.

00:42:27.780 If you can save me on credit cards, if you can save me on car insurance, anywhere you can save me money, I'm going to be all in favor of it.

00:42:33.040 It's so strange that the Democrats are seemingly so against it.

00:42:37.100 Russ, before we head over to Ukraine and get your take on what's happening over there, I want to turn to a war we're having on here at home.

00:42:45.480 It's at our southern border.

00:42:47.900 The U.S. is repeatedly, reportedly flying MQ-9 Reaper drones with given permission by Shine Bomb of Mexico up and around the border.

00:42:59.580 Is President Trump getting ready for the show?

00:43:02.760 You and I were talking that these have some capabilities to do a little bit of damage.

00:43:06.240 Is President Trump ready to take on Mexico in a possible firefight?

00:43:12.540 Well, you know, the Reaper carries Phoenix missiles, and they'll ruin your day very quick if you meet up with one of those things.

00:43:20.920 So, you know, especially if we get the president of Mexico's okay, I say we blow the hell out of them.

00:43:28.240 I know those missiles are damned expensive. 0.70

00:43:30.260 Let's make sure we don't miss.

00:43:31.900 Let's try to get as many of them as we can with one missile.

00:43:34.320 Well, Russ, we spent $250,000 on a Sidewinder missile to shoot down the balloon after it came over America?

00:43:41.720 Yeah.

00:43:43.860 But it was traveling at quite an altitude.

00:43:47.120 So, you know, I'm all for it.

00:43:53.100 And, you know, these drug traffickers and human shelling little girls into sex slavery and killing the fentanyl, killing 100 or more thousand of our young people every single year.

00:44:06.840 However, this is this is an outrage.

00:44:10.420 And I say light them up.

00:44:13.060 And as soon as you light enough of them up, the rest of them are going to tuck tail and run.

00:44:17.980 So so let's have Adam go get him, Mr. President.

00:44:21.620 Yeah, we have no choice.

00:44:22.640 It's gotten far too out of control with the drug business they've been allowed to run here.

00:44:27.240 I mean, they're literally running multi maybe billion dollar corporations.

00:44:31.380 I mean, they're literally running business.

00:44:34.580 They should register for LLCs and pay taxes.

00:44:37.140 I mean, with the kind of business and money that they're doing, Russ, at our southern border that was allowed under none other than Joe Biden.

00:44:44.300 I want to turn to before we wrap up here, Russ, Ukraine and the issue that be over there.

00:44:50.120 Long war, no sight, no signs of ending yet.

00:44:56.020 Putin may be open to a deal, but it turns out Zelensky now all of a sudden doesn't want peace.

00:45:00.560 A man who has claimed he wants peace.

00:45:03.080 I saw a poll the other day where Zelensky was down like 60 to 30 to his opponent.

00:45:08.300 Now, he doesn't want to hold an election either.

00:45:10.240 President Trump, but not happy with Zelensky anymore.

00:45:13.460 And Zelensky sort of turning his back on President Trump after giving them three hundred and fifty billion dollars.

00:45:18.620 So President Trump had this to say on Truth Social and X.

00:45:24.800 Quote, think of it.

00:45:25.680 A modestly successful comedian, Voldemort Zelensky talked the United States of America into spending three hundred and fifty billion dollars to go into a war that couldn't be won.

00:45:34.660 There's nothing false about that.

00:45:36.740 We knew that that never had a start.

00:45:38.940 But a war that he without the U.S. and Trump would never be able to do or settle.

00:45:42.960 The United States has spent two hundred billion dollars more than Europe and Europe's money is guaranteed while in the United States we get nothing back.

00:45:51.140 Why didn't Sleepy Joe Biden demand equalization in this war that is far more important to Europe than it is to us?

00:45:57.300 We have a big, beautiful ocean that separates us.

00:46:00.800 On top of this, Zelensky admits that half the money we sent him is, quote, missing.

00:46:05.100 Huh.

00:46:05.740 Sounds like America here at home. 0.68

00:46:08.560 He refuses to have elections, is very low in the Ukrainian polls, and the only thing he was good at was playing Biden like a fiddle.

00:46:14.540 A dictator without elections, Zelensky better move fast or he's going to have no country left.

00:46:20.240 In the meantime, we're successfully negotiating to end the war with Russia, something we could all admit only Trump and the Trump administration can do.

00:46:27.480 Biden never tried.

00:46:29.040 Europe has failed to bring peace.

00:46:30.360 And Zelensky probably wants to keep the gravy train going.

00:46:33.120 I love Ukraine, but Zelensky has done a terrible job.

00:46:37.040 His country is shattered and millions have unnecessarily died.

00:46:40.560 And so it continues.

00:46:42.480 I mean, President Trump couldn't have put it any better.

00:46:45.840 The gravy train is right.

00:46:47.240 It's exactly what this is.

00:46:49.140 Zelensky, if he believes he has, you know, the power of the people, should have no problem calling an election.

00:46:55.940 Let the people decide.

00:46:57.660 It's the same thing that's going to happen in Canada.

00:46:59.200 It's the same thing that's eventually going to happen in Israel.

00:47:01.220 Call the election, Mr. President.

00:47:03.120 Let the people decide if they think that you have the best interest of their country.

00:47:08.020 I don't know what more Zelensky wants.

00:47:10.100 He's not getting into NATO.

00:47:11.720 I mean, that's sure as hell.

00:47:14.540 At some day, he's going to have to face a reckoning on where that money went.

00:47:20.380 Donald Trump and America are going to start to demand some answers.

00:47:23.060 So it's either this man runs for the hills, seeks asylum somewhere or starts to answer some questions because it doesn't make sense to me, Russ.

00:47:30.040 And I want to get your take on this.

00:47:31.680 Why now all of a sudden he doesn't want peace?

00:47:33.940 He said all of a sudden all along he was in favor of peace.

00:47:37.460 Why doesn't he want peace?

00:47:38.380 Well, I think the answer is, you know, he will fight to the very end, to the very end of the last dollar that we send there, you know, of which half of that dollar is probably in bank accounts in Switzerland, coded bank accounts in his and some of his cronies names.

00:47:53.060 That's probably where 50 percent of that goes and what happened to that.

00:47:57.260 So he's had two years where, you know, hey, if that money keeps going into my Swiss bank account, you know, I'll keep fighting to the until the end of your money.

00:48:06.780 Now, we just happen to have a new sheriff in town who's saying enough is enough, which and that's a problem.

00:48:12.640 And he's upset that we're not going to, you know, we're going to the negotiation table right with the Russians.

00:48:17.740 Well, you know, he's had three years.

00:48:19.260 So, you know, even before, you know, before this war happened, Putin said, look, he said, if you go to try to go join NATO, this is a line in the sand.

00:48:33.280 If you know, with what happened in Crimea under Obama, you know, if they have why would Russia want to keep Crimea?

00:48:41.440 Well, they have the their their Black Sea fleet that right there, Sylvesterpol.

00:48:45.260 Of course, they want to keep Crimea. 0.75

00:48:46.520 That's their one of their major warm water ports. 0.68

00:48:49.620 So why why Eastern Ukraine?

00:48:53.840 Well, that's because in the Donetsk Basin, there's an awful lot of Russian speakers.

00:48:59.780 And the and the Ukrainians launched a civil war against the Russian speakers who were many more separatists.

00:49:07.440 But but to put them down in that part of the eastern Ukraine and and they're crying out to Putin, please help us. 0.72

00:49:17.340 So and Putin is remember, Russians are paranoid. 0.86

00:49:20.840 You remember the the the the golden hordes under the Mongols, the the Napoleon, the Swedes, the Poles, the Hitler. 0.94

00:49:29.100 So, you know, they have a little bit of history of why they're paranoid.

00:49:33.300 No wonder they want a little bit of buffer.

00:49:35.280 Ukraine was part of that buffer between us. 0.51

00:49:37.420 And then we tell them when Soviet Union falls apart that we're not going to move one inch further east.

00:49:43.800 Total lie.

00:49:44.680 You know, so most all of Eastern Eastern Europe is now under NATO.

00:49:51.000 So so there's a reason why Russians have have done this and they don't trust us. 1.00

00:49:56.720 And and and we just send hundreds of billions and hundreds of billions. 1.00

00:50:01.820 And we have these war hawks and some of these damn generals I see on Fox News who were idiots. 1.00

00:50:08.060 It's and then, you know, they just they're just warmongers. 1.00

00:50:11.420 And I'm sure they have lots of they have states.

00:50:14.900 They sit on the boards of the big defense contractors and making you scooping up millions there to make sure they sit up there and say, let's make sure war, war, war. 0.64

00:50:25.300 I call them the war pigs, you know, like under the song by Ozzy Osbourne. 0.95

00:50:32.720 It's so we're not very smart. 0.92

00:50:36.760 Yeah.

00:50:37.240 So finally, President Trump has said enough.

00:50:40.180 And thank goodness somebody with some common sense has said enough.

00:50:43.340 Stop the killing. 1.00

00:50:44.120 Stop the stupidity. 1.00

00:50:45.400 And he and he's got the the table with negotiations going on. 1.00

00:50:49.760 So finally, we get someone with common senses in the White House to stop this stupidity. 0.99

00:50:54.780 Yeah, I was just trying to pull back and pull something back up here that I remember from some years ago. 0.99

00:51:02.120 Jack Keene may be one of the people that you're talking about on Fox News.

00:51:04.880 Speaking of a war hawk.

00:51:06.200 This is September 1st of 2021.

00:51:09.640 Fox News fails to disclose that it's go to Afghanistan experts profits from the war.

00:51:14.980 This is an article written about Jack Keene.

00:51:19.420 He was one of the ones that I remember, four star general.

00:51:22.360 But he had many contracts.

00:51:24.420 I think the company was KKR was one of the military contracts he had.

00:51:29.240 But, you know, it's it's him.

00:51:31.480 It's, you know, Lindsey Graham, all these folks who are part of the military industrial complex. 0.97

00:51:37.580 The line in the sand is right.

00:51:38.980 I mean, was Putin right to invade Ukraine?

00:51:41.900 I mean, obviously, no time, you know, war happens is good. 1.00

00:51:44.920 But you have to look at it from the outside.

00:51:47.160 And people are going to say I often have Doug McGregor, Colonel Doug McGregor on the show to talk about this stuff.

00:51:53.100 And I have him on.

00:51:54.340 And he's a Russian spy.

00:51:56.580 He's Russian.

00:51:57.300 This you guys are Russian.

00:51:58.660 You're Russian. 0.91

00:51:59.200 I don't have an ounce of Russian blood in me.

00:52:02.060 I think that my ancestry goes the furthest it goes is like Italy or maybe Ireland or England.

00:52:09.400 So, you know, there's nothing.

00:52:11.640 We're not pro-Russian.

00:52:13.200 We're not pro.

00:52:14.260 We're pro-American.

00:52:15.580 We're not Vladimir Putin's sycophants.

00:52:18.560 We just look at things objectively for what it's worth.

00:52:21.760 And I think you laid it out very concisely about the line in the sand.

00:52:27.080 Russ, if your neighbor starts putting machine guns mounted on the fence of your backyard and his, you're not going to be happy, right?

00:52:36.180 You thought this guy was your friend.

00:52:37.880 You're not going to be happy.

00:52:39.620 Right.

00:52:40.940 You're not going to take that.

00:52:42.020 Well, what happened during the Cuban Missile Crisis?

00:52:44.080 We had missiles pointed 90 miles away and we had a very big issue with it.

00:52:48.060 So this is right on your border.

00:52:50.220 What is Vladimir Putin to do about it?

00:52:52.140 So, you know, you know, it's a war that from the beginning I had said it's a not winnable war.

00:52:58.000 And, you know, the sooner people figure it out, I think Donald Trump has figured it out, that it's a war that's not going to be won.

00:53:07.300 And it's time to put an end to it.

00:53:11.140 If Zelensky doesn't want to be the guy to end the war, I think it tells you all you need to know.

00:53:15.060 Russ, you get the last word here.

00:53:16.360 The floor is yours.

00:53:17.080 Anything you want to say?

00:53:19.420 Well, I think the main gist of what we want to talk about was the waste that's going on in the intel service.

00:53:25.260 And so much of that has also been tied to literally spying on American citizens, that huge facility out there in Bluffdale, Utah.

00:53:33.580 I mean, we didn't talk much about the CIA.

00:53:35.220 But when I was over there, you know, and I had a station chief take me to in a Muslim country to a safe house.

00:53:42.940 We have all these safe houses that are immaculate.

00:53:47.740 He pulls open this huge mahogany cabinet full of the top, every top liquor you can think of.

00:53:52.720 He goes, well, before he asked me what's my favorite, you know, drink, I said, well, I really like Glenn Levitt Scotch.

00:53:58.660 He opens up this huge cabinet.

00:54:00.400 He goes, oh, there it is.

00:54:01.500 I'm like, holy moly.

00:54:03.600 I'm like, you guys in the CIA have way too much money.

00:54:06.560 So if it's not, you know, if it's not the Glenn Levitt on the liquor cabinet, the mahogany liquor cabinet that's hidden in the wall, a hidden wall thing,

00:54:17.760 to thin thread and trailblazer blowing billions.

00:54:22.080 And I didn't even get to two thirds of what I wanted to talk to some of the other examples.

00:54:26.700 We don't have enough time.

00:54:27.560 But there's so much waste involved.

00:54:31.300 And then a lot of the money that's been wasted was literally unconstitutionally thrown at spying at our own citizens and using that money to spy on Congress and the courts and the executive service and the movers and shakers to likely blackmail them to make sure the intel budget is whatever they want and then some.

00:54:54.340 So that has to stop the intel service is the lifeblood of the deep state and the deep state needs to die.

00:55:04.140 And you have to put a dagger in that heart and you've got to stop that lifeblood that's coming from the intel services as well.

00:55:11.780 Couldn't have said it any better myself.

00:55:13.420 Russ, we'll talk to you soon.

00:55:15.000 Thanks so much for joining us today.

00:55:17.340 More than welcome.

00:55:18.660 Thanks, everybody, for being with us today here on The Great America Show.

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