In this episode of The Great America Show, we speak with Michael Benz, Executive Director of the Foundation for Freedom Online, about the deep state, the CIA, the NSA, the Deep State, and everything else in between.
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00:00:33.600Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.
00:01:02.080We are looking at a government that is controlled by the Marxist-Dim's party, that is anti-family, anti-children, anti-American, anti-Christian.
00:01:13.660We are right now, in my opinion, on the precipice of an extraordinary moment in history because this much evil awash across the entire country, we have never witnessed in our history.
00:01:26.580And it is frightening to behold, isn't it, because we're watching this administration basically say to Christians, we're going to destroy you, just as they've said to the American family, we're going to destroy you.
00:01:41.660And to do that, they have the help of the CIA, the NSA, the military-industrial complex, as Michael Benz calls it, the censor enterprise that is working against Americans and our freedom of speech every day and our right to be both expressing ourselves and to be heard.
00:02:04.780So we have a lot, a lot to talk about today, and Michael Benz, who is the executive director of the Foundation for Freedom Online, is our special guest.
00:02:17.700And I want you to know that we're going to be talking today about, among other things, a terrific series being done on Netflix.
00:02:25.180It's called The American Conspiracy, The American Conspiracy, The Octopus Murders.
00:02:31.700It's all about a software company that was stolen by the Justice Department from a small software company back in the 80s and 90s.
00:02:42.420And it's a remarkable story, and Netflix does a terrific job with this story.
00:02:49.260We've been running it, of course, on The Great America Show.
00:02:51.900We have been also talking to you about it on Rumble, on, of course, X and social media.
00:03:02.300So let me turn to the issue at hand, and that's our guest today.
00:03:08.840He's Mike Benz, as I said, executive director of the Foundation for Freedom Online.
00:03:13.580He also just happens to be, in my opinion, the most knowledgeable person about all that is transpiring in the deep state, in our federal government, within the Marxist party itself, the Biden regime, and the efforts over decades to take control of our lives.
00:03:34.300As Mike Benz puts it, quite simply, the deep state is in charge of our government.
00:03:41.080We may have a voice, but it's not a voice that can be heard by those in control of this government anymore.
00:03:50.000Mike, I can't tell you how wonderful it is to see you and to have an opportunity to talk with you and get an update on the censorship movement across governments all across the globe.
00:04:03.420But let's begin with our own, and the CIA, again, surfacing, it seems to have its hands in every aspect of censorship and surveillance in the United States.
00:04:19.880Yeah, well, that's certainly, you know, I see the CIA as being one wing of the greater foreign policy establishment.
00:04:26.260So oftentimes, many times it looks like the CIA is orchestrating something, but it's downstream of a decision from the State Department or the Pentagon.
00:04:36.340And, you know, when it comes to the censorship industry, the CIA has a particularly nasty role because the CIA is sort of the one branch of the U.S. government that has always had a license to interfere in media operations.
00:04:49.980Really, from the day the CIA was born, its first task was control over foreign populations media, and it was barred from doing so in the United States against U.S. citizens.
00:05:00.900But the CIA would famously go abroad to French newspapers and Italian newspapers and bribe the editorial desks.
00:05:07.840There was something called Wisner's Wurlitzer, which is named after the CIA godfather Frank Wisner, to create a Wurlitzer, a sort of organ keyboard of 800 different CIA media outlets to be able to create a narrative surround sound.
00:05:21.540But when Russiagate struck in 2016 in the U.S., the CIA used that predicate of Russian interference on American speech platforms to get its tentacles into American speech.
00:05:35.160And then even after Russiagate died in mid-2019 with the Mueller investigation probe ending, they simply transitioned a Russia predicate to a democracy predicate because one of the reasons the CIA overthrows foreign countries is in the name of democracy.
00:05:49.880So if disinformation is a threat to democracy, that essentially gave our intelligence agencies a permanent branch on which to purge themselves for censoring American citizen speech.
00:05:59.200And just last week, we see, what is it called, Asia, Radio Free Asia, whatever the actual name was.
00:06:09.780But it's another one of those U.S. propaganda agencies shutting down, still doing business in Hong Kong until last week.
00:06:20.420It is so pedestrian to me, so provincial, and that it couldn't be possibly helpful to the United States to have that operation underway in Hong Kong or anywhere in Asia.
00:06:37.880Well, you're right that Radio Free Asia was a CIA proprietary.
00:06:40.760It was one of the flagship CIA proprietary media organs.
00:06:45.440Radio Free Europe, Radio Free Asia, and Radio Liberty were all these CIA radio stations at a time when other countries didn't really have robust radio frequency content of their own.
00:06:58.100And so this was long before the Internet.
00:07:01.680The Internet being exported around the world was sort of a new radio free Asia, essentially, for the Pentagon and State Department and CIA.
00:07:10.760You know, the issue right now is it's it's become so politicized, it's become so weaponized.
00:07:16.980You know, there was an incredible example where Voice of America, which is a fourth CIA proprietary media organ, Voice of America was caught during the Trump term running ads for Joe Biden's candidacy, you know, at the end of some of the broadcast.
00:07:32.820I mean, this is a CIA radio station that's that's funded essentially by taxpayers and its job is mind control.
00:07:41.380And they're literally, you know, picking sides on a U.S. election.
00:07:46.020This is it's an extraordinary scandal.
00:07:48.160And all of it needs to be have its have its funding contingent on political neutrality.
00:07:56.880Certainly funding does not seem to be contingent upon oversight, approval of Congress or in any other power, including apparently the presidency.
00:08:06.500You just brought up the example when President Trump was in office, the idea that there would be pushing ads for Biden.
00:08:15.640This is a this is a government out of control.
00:08:20.960It is all powerful and that there are no checks and balances that are at least visible to me nor readily apparent, I think, to the American public.
00:08:30.680I think there is great of all the anxieties this nation is facing right now.
00:08:35.280I think this has to be chief among them.
00:08:38.260That is a government that is attacking the American people, censoring us, deleting us and marginalizing us as citizens to the point that we're no better than subjects.
00:08:51.080Yeah, what we're witnessing right now is the the immune system of the blob.
00:08:56.040You know, the foreign policy establishment powers that I see as being the sort of top of the food chain of the deep state.
00:09:03.020You know, it really has a very robust immune system to be able to resist the will of the people expressed democratically.
00:09:11.320We've seen this throughout other presidencies.
00:09:13.600We saw this, you know, during the during the JFK time period when his own military generals were essentially at war with him,
00:09:20.540when his own central intelligence agency was strongly opposed to his Vietnam policy.
00:09:25.240We've seen this in flare ups in other presidencies.
00:09:29.300But really, with with Trumpism, because it was so new, because it was so junior and it did not have generations of its own staffers within the blob.
00:09:39.840It didn't have representation at the Justice Department, National Security and Intelligence Divisions.
00:09:44.660It didn't have populist representation in the CIA.
00:09:47.760It didn't have populist representation in the State Department of the Pentagon.
00:09:50.300It was it was able to be chewed up and spit out by that immune system in ways that are that had very little counter resistance,
00:10:00.940as if they had tried to do this, for example, to a sort of neoliberal Democrat or a neoconservative, you know, John McCain Republican type.
00:10:10.660You're talking about proportionality of representation within the deep state and the censorship enterprise.
00:10:17.960But I wonder if it if it's at this point, it has been for so long, frankly, Marxist Dems, the the far left of the Democratic Party is now in control of both the party,
00:10:32.240the the the permanent bureaucracy and certainly the foreign policy apparatus, as you as you're talking about.
00:10:40.020I wonder if it's now more than an immune system, that it is a bubble that is impenetrable.
00:10:47.200Well, that's that's the issue. And that's why I focus on getting representation within the blob, because, you know, if we're if we're just being if we're just speaking plainly here,
00:10:55.740it's their country. I mean, they they really they control the they control the courts, they control the tanks and the guns.
00:11:03.400They control the elections by by, you know, who can who can speak during them.
00:11:08.080And if you run against them, you end up with 91 felony charges and 700 years in prison and being bankrupted by the judges at their disposal.
00:11:16.940So, you know, I start the analysis looking at this as a sort of tortoise race because there are no quick and easy that, you know, there is no pebble you can load into the slingshot as a David to just knock out this Goliath with one blow.
00:11:33.400This is there has to be a march through the institutions on our side the same way as you described, for example, on the Marxist side, there was a march to the institutions over generations.
00:11:42.680The one thing that I would say is that the complicating factor is that a lot of this is Republican based.
00:11:48.460I mean, Victoria Nuland, for example, in charge of our Ukraine policy was was a was a Cheney acolyte.
00:11:53.880The, you know, Adam Kinzinger, Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger were leading the January 6 purges.
00:12:00.660You had Joe Biden spent Thanksgiving this year at Martha's Vineyard at the thirty one million dollar home of of billionaire David Rubenstein,
00:12:09.500who started the Carlisle Group, which is the major Republican, you know, war private equity thing.
00:12:15.940There is a uniparty at the top, which is what stops a Republican House from being able to defund these things.
00:12:24.460No one knows more about the cyber, the global cyber structure and and certainly the cyber structure of the the U.S.
00:12:36.860government and particularly the foreign policy apparatus, all its underpinnings, all of its tentacles that reach around our entire system of government.
00:12:47.180Checks and balances are no more. The Republic is under under immense threat, imminent threat, in my opinion.
00:12:55.700We'll be back to talk further with the executive director of the Foundation for Freedom Online.
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00:14:41.620He is the executive director of the Foundation for Freedom Online.
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00:15:04.840Mike, we're talking about the FBI suddenly has been rewarded by Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House, with a new building.
00:15:11.180No problem, just because they have people going door to door talking to citizens about their social media posts.
00:15:19.860No problem, because they are going after parents at school board meetings.
00:15:23.680This is a further complication in this complex web of what would I call this, an overthrow of traditional American government is the Republican Party has these inert figures who are, if they are not complicit and accomplices, they are indifferent to outcomes politically.
00:15:48.680Absolutely. Your thoughts about particularly the Speaker of the House and this this weak response to a weaponized FBI, a weaponized federal government.
00:15:57.640Yeah, the funding of the new FBI building is is so shocking and so shameless and and really something that I think history will remember.
00:16:06.840I mean, that building will live on for for generations.
00:16:09.440I understand it's even larger than the Pentagon in terms of, you know, the physical size.
00:16:15.380I mean, and even just the symbology of having our marquee domestic intelligence, domestic internal spying building being, you know, essentially the largest building in Washington when it's completed is.
00:16:29.200It's for that to be when Republicans are in control of the House and when Republicans are therefore in control of appropriations and the purse strings of the federal government to green light that project.
00:16:42.220When the FBI is who ran the hoax of Russiagate, the FBI is the intelligence arm of the Justice Department.
00:16:48.660Those two entities are inextricably inseparable.
00:16:52.180The FBI would not exist without a Justice Department.
00:16:54.540Everything it does has to be Justice Department approved.
00:16:57.840And this Justice Department is is imprisoning.
00:17:01.740You know, right now there is a pending death sentence on Donald Trump.
00:17:05.420Seven hundred years in prison is a death sentence.
00:17:10.480And for for the House Republicans own nominee to be to be devoured by the blob that way.
00:17:19.200And for them to reward that and say, yes, please, sir, may I have another with with giving them the two hundred million dollars in funding?
00:17:25.900And they say same way they funded CISA again, even after they knew I had personal conversations with members of the House of Representatives who knew full well what CISA, the DHS censorship agency.
00:17:57.700This is this is essentially a party death sentence that that's being signed up for right now.
00:18:04.060And the question is, is what's at the root of that?
00:18:07.260Now, obviously, in the example I just gave, you had vulnerable junior House members afraid of their own party leadership.
00:18:14.260But who is the House party leadership afraid of?
00:18:17.060Why is Mike Johnson, who was all, you know, all fire and brimstone about what he was going to do, you know, take on government weaponization when he was running for speaker and made all these grand promises?
00:18:28.820You know what it was I thought it was very interesting how the CIA targeted Mike Johnson around this Ukraine spending bill when they when they invited the New York Times onto the Ukrainian military bases to put out a front page story about how Mike Johnson needs to pass the spending.
00:18:44.300And at the same time, they were ginning up a Russiagate case against Mike Johnson.
00:18:48.760If you if you recall, there was a flim there was a sort of glimmer of a news story around Mike Johnson's ties to Russia at the time that he was contemplating the Ukraine aid bill.
00:18:59.520He seems to have capitulated and those stories seems to seem to have gone away.
00:19:03.160I would like to know what sort of conversations are being had in order to try to destabilize Mike Johnson, if that is what's at the root of this, because it's hard for me to imagine without that pressure that that that House party leadership would be so craven in their cowardice.
00:19:19.380And I think what you're saying right now, Mike, is something it's worth, if I may, underlining here for just a bit when we talk about what is happening to Mike Johnson, when we talk about the former, excuse me, the former head of the CCP committee, the select committee on the CCP, Mike Gallagher, who is leaving Congress and not in a and not in a positive or, you know, in any way amicable relationship.
00:19:49.380With his own party or anyone else. This man has to have been blackmailed till he was blind.
00:19:57.140He has turned into a figure who that is unrecognizable from the former Mike Gallagher just a couple of years ago.
00:20:05.180And when we see these unrecognizable and unclear outcomes and decisions taken by some of these lawmakers, Gallagher is a non-entity and point of fact because he has done nothing.
00:20:18.780But doing nothing has been devastating to the United States because that committee could have been very, very important for our our future and policy that's taken by our House.
00:20:30.540But then we look also over at the Supreme Court. There's a reason that John Roberts chooses to go with the left.
00:20:37.040This is not a natural or rational and our obvious, obviously motivated decision that he takes.
00:20:45.140The same thing happens with, in point of fact, Amy Coney Barrett.
00:20:54.280Is she doing the same thing? Inexplicable, except for one thing.
00:20:59.500We know that they are under great, great personal pressure from those quarters, the same quarters you're talking about, the CIA, NSA, whatever the agency may be.
00:21:07.980By the way, it started out as being supposedly an agency to assure the security of our voting systems in this country.
00:21:23.840It has become anything but. It is crushing democracy every day, as you point out.
00:21:31.360But anyway, I just wanted to say everyone watching, watching us and listening to you today, Mike, really needs to remember there is something happening under the table with each one of these people in the shadows.
00:21:42.680And none of it is pretty. And we've watched, for example, Justice Kavanaugh, his life and his family's threatened, not by accident, but by by Democratic Marxist activists who show up at their homes.
00:21:57.600These are not accidents. And this is a country that should be sick to its stomach at what we've become.
00:22:02.560I want to just turn to one other thing that you mentioned, and that is there's a and I apologize because we didn't talk about this before we started this conversation, my fault.
00:22:16.160But there's a great series on Netflix right now, a documentary called The Octopus Murders.
00:22:22.440It's about a software company called Inslaw. I have a personal knowledge of this of the story because some of my reporters years ago were working on it.
00:22:33.620But this is a I just want to recommend it to everyone and get your thoughts if you've seen it or thought about it.
00:22:40.280Lou, this is so funny. I for the past several weeks on X, I have been doing a annotated movie watch of the octopus murders for all of my subscribers.
00:22:51.140You know, I have this like five dollar a month thing where I just do live streams of my research.
00:22:56.420That's amazing. So we've been doing these live annotations of the octopus murders watch through.
00:23:01.620Our next one is is tomorrow night at at 8 p.m.
00:23:05.540And essentially, you know, this is one of the reasons that I, too, sort of share your fascination, although you've been involved in this much, much longer than I have.
00:23:16.160But I find that the historical data points around Iran-Contra, the scandal of the early Reagan era with the rogue Central Intelligence Agency going around Congress.
00:23:27.220There was a congressional ban on the ability to to fund the overthrow of the Nicaraguan government.
00:23:33.120And this was basically a blown clandestine operation that had that had a huge hearing in in Congress.
00:23:42.180There was there were subpoenas and investigations for years, really for decades after.
00:23:46.840And it spills into all these touch points around, you know, around the the blob, around the deep state, around the sort of deep structural and political organization of how to topple the government using this structure of a combination of the State Department, CIA, Pentagon,
00:24:07.300outside, outside business investors, cartels, criminal underworld links.
00:24:12.360I mean, and and then also it's the tech story, because the promise software was really about bringing, you know, bringing the Justice Department's career criminal database into a digitized form around in 1990 as the as the Internet was was coming online.
00:24:29.940And the problem was, is, you know, that threatened to turn up all these links between career criminals.
00:24:35.700And we have a problem, which is that our CIA has a license to do dirty tricks.
00:24:39.880They work with the criminal underworld all over the world.
00:24:43.720And so, you know, turning up Justice Department and CIA protected criminal cartels would have a problem, would basically undermine U.S. clandestine operation activity.
00:24:55.840You know, one thing I do want to mention, by the way, on the Mike Gallagher point is, you know, Mike Gallagher himself, as you mentioned, you know, just did this sort of Brutus stabbing of of the House Republican Party.
00:25:06.440I think when he leaves, it'll just be one, you know, a one or two person majority, which means if one more person leaves, there goes Republican control over the House, even after winning the midterms.
00:25:18.260And Mike Gallagher himself is military intelligence. He came from he came from Marine, the U.S. Marine intelligence squad there.
00:25:26.960So he surely has maintained those those network connections to the intelligence world.
00:25:32.640I mean, as you mentioned, you know, he was on the the select committee on on the CCP.
00:25:37.840Did did someone have a conversation with Mike Gallagher?
00:25:40.840And again, this is speculation. But did someone offer Mike Gallagher something for, you know, for this?
00:25:46.440I mean, because the way that he did it was was not the typical way of quitting.
00:25:51.200He did not. He did not. If he he announced that he would be quitting after the day in which he could be replaced.
00:25:58.440You know, if he had just resigned immediately, there could have been an immediate, you know, appointment by Mike Johnson for a new Republican to take his place.
00:26:06.900But he basically announced that it would be effective after the after that point, almost intentionally sabotaging the Republican Party.
00:26:15.820And I wonder if part of that is because of this, you know, CIA Republican alliance with the mainstream Democrat Party to purge the Republican Party of Trumpism and then step back into supporting the Republican Party.
00:26:32.240He wants a Nikki Haley type, wants a more blob friendly GOP politician is has a chance of winning.
00:26:38.840If if Mike Gallagher, in my opinion, finds his way back into the intelligence community in whatever agency, in whatever capacity, if he finds his way back to the MITRE to a number of other organizations, large corporations,
00:26:56.600all that operate at the behest of the intelligence and military industrial complex, the next president should have investigations unleashed against him till time immemorial.
00:27:40.940It's amazing you mentioned MITRE because, you know, MITRE is obviously one of the largest defense contractors on the on the payroll of the Pentagon.
00:27:47.720And MITRE is the perfect example of all this.
00:27:50.100The Blob's foreign facing Department of Dirty Tricks turned inward because MITRE was at the helm of U.S. censorship, of U.S. opinions.
00:27:58.920MITRE developed an A.I. censorship technology that they called Squint, you know, to be able to peer through social media posts.
00:28:06.000And they applied that to be able to scan and ban millions of pro-Trump tweets.
00:28:10.660They explicitly said election disinformation, anything that delegitimizes the use of mail-in ballots that were overwhelmingly for, you know, for Joe Biden.
00:28:20.200They did the same thing with COVID dissident, vaccine hesitancy stuff and and opposition to mandates and lockdowns.
00:28:28.660So MITRE developed the military grade A.I. censorship technology on which Internet censorship ran from the 2020 election through the COVID-19 pandemic years later and are still highly active in that space.
00:28:45.440This would be like Raytheon dropping bombs on Ohio or something.
00:28:48.800MITRE is essentially doing the censorship weaponry against U.S. citizens.
00:28:53.860Unfortunately, too many corporations doing precisely the same thing and also part of the complex that is overwhelming this country right now.
00:29:04.820We're talking with Mike Benz, executive director of the Foundation for Freedom Online.
00:29:10.300We urge you to check out his Web site.
00:29:12.120We urge you to follow him on Twitter and we urge you to stay with us as we come right back with Mike Benz.
00:30:03.920And I want to let us turn to to Inslaw, because you mentioned that you're running your your presentation on a movie night on Mike Benz on Twitter.
00:30:15.780And you've been doing this for what, over a week?
00:30:38.800And I love the series that Netflix has produced here.
00:30:42.500It's called The American Conspiracy is the overall title.
00:30:46.300The subtitle is The Octopus Mergers about Inslaw, a software company who created a software product for the Justice Department that would to accordion everything digitally across the Justice Department.
00:31:00.400So every every U.S. attorney, 92, 93 of them across the country would be looking at the same data, would have access to whatever they needed and could follow career criminals and any kind of criminal enterprise other than, of course, a government enterprise.
00:31:18.680And that that software stolen by the Justice Department.
00:31:21.980And there was a there's a person who plays a particular role in that, Mike, that I think everyone should listen to us or pay great attention to.
00:31:31.520Now, Bill Barr is that's the very same attorney general who was such a disappointment to, of course, President Trump, who chose silence rather than speaking up when he knew that Joe Biden was lying and changing the course of history.
00:31:47.100And that final debate in 2020 and said it was Russian disinformation that that that laptop that was his son's.
00:32:42.760And yes, Bill Barr was fundamental to that.
00:32:46.080What people may not know is that Bill Barr plays a big role in ends law, too, because he ultimately became the man.
00:32:53.280And by the way, we should point out something else about Bill Barr, which you very well know.
00:32:57.820He was in the CIA for seven years before he was a Bushie working for H.W. Bush.
00:33:04.120And he has an amazing, amazing career of coincidences, happenstances and absolutely incredible opportunities to change the direction of whatever the event was, whether it was a presidency,
00:33:22.400whether it was a prisoner sitting in a bureau prison cell for which he was responsible and he found nothing wrong.
00:33:31.020That's exactly what he did with ends law.
00:33:55.140And, you know, the links between Jeffrey Epstein and the CIA intelligence world are very fascinating.
00:34:01.020I think famously, Alex Acosta, the the prosecutor of Jeffrey Epstein in the in the late 1990s with the first case was asked when he was being nominated to be labor secretary under Trump.
00:34:15.820He was asked why he didn't go after Jeffrey Epstein harder.
00:34:18.840Why did they give him such a sweetheart deal?
00:34:21.340And he was told to be, you know, this is a direct quote to back off of Jeffrey Epstein because he, quote, belong to intelligence.
00:34:27.900Well, I mean, that he's he's saying point blank, the prosecutor was said that that the CIA told the prosecutors to back off of their guy.
00:34:40.020And that really gets to. And so, you know, between that and the fact that it was Bill Barr who essentially blessed, you know, the the Epstein did not kill himself situation, you know, given all that is is is is a damning indictment.
00:34:55.440But it really gets to the soul of the relationship between the DOJ and the CIA, which is which is where ins law.
00:35:01.940The ins law story is so fascinating because, you know, we have this overworld underworld alliance.
00:35:08.020You know, if the CIA wants to overthrow a foreign country's government, they don't you can only plan so much of that from Langley.
00:35:16.720You know, you can say, OK, we're going to topple this this government.
00:35:19.640But this government has guards. They've got an economy. They have all this infrastructure.
00:35:24.060You can't just march in there. You can't just write it down on paper and say, OK, we said we're going to overthrow that country's government.
00:35:31.700The country's government is overthrown. You need someone to do the dirty work.
00:35:35.260And this is where criminal mafias and in the in organized crime come into the picture in terms of their connection with the Central Intelligence Agency.
00:35:44.600In basically every region, we work with the groups who are prosecuted by their prosecutors in order to run paramilitary operations.
00:35:53.080This is the story of Nicaragua and Iran Contra, which is which is, you know, a lot of what the ins law affair grew out of was the was the Nicaraguan underworld.
00:36:02.740And in the octopus murders, it goes through how these Latin American criminal cartels and drug cartels were onboarded by the Pentagon, essentially run out of an Indian reservation base in in eastern California in order to create a sort of money laundering sanctuary.
00:36:21.440Because reservations are are essentially sovereign.
00:36:25.440And so in the 1980s and 1990s, it was it was they could basically create a little Vatican bank.
00:36:30.700It was a Vatican bank. But we also should point out it was also a weapons depository, armory and distribution center for all sorts of weapons, including heavy weapons that were going to various.
00:36:42.640You know, units throughout the Central America and we run that operation, the Central Intelligence Agency runs that operation in essentially every major region in the world.
00:36:56.540We do that in Latin America. We do that in in in Central in South America.
00:37:01.660We do that in Sub-Saharan Africa. We do that in Central Central Asia.
00:37:05.460I mean, this was the story of Afghanistan, essentially, you know, from the Mujahideen and Zbigniew Brzezinski in the 1970s when we were doing that that same operation.
00:37:15.140And a lot of this involves illegal narcotics, involves, you know, being able to traffic those to convert that to cash, to guns, the ability to run guns through these criminal underworld networks.
00:37:25.680And then you have these protected everyone who's a casualty of this proxy war, who's a U.S. civilian says, oh, we have this drug problem.
00:37:33.080Why aren't they going after the cartels? Oh, we have these these this criminal underworld element in our town who effectively runs things.
00:37:39.420Why isn't the Justice Department going after it? And what you have essentially is the story of the CIA leaning on the Justice Department and seating it with their own people in order to protect those criminal underworld elements who are useful to their own geopolitical machinations.
00:37:54.300And this is really where the Bill Barr story comes into it, because not only was Bill Barr at the CIA, as you mentioned, you know, for seven years, he his specific role was to obstruct the ability for Congress to get information on Iran-Contra.
00:38:10.040He was the blocking. He was the block and tackle guy, the mop up man for the CIA's misdeeds when they were under congressional scrutiny.
00:38:16.920So he is a professional obstruction of justice architect for the Central Intelligence Agency.
00:38:23.680So it really comes as little surprise at that point that he would play that same role in the Jeffrey Epstein scandal decades later.
00:38:33.280Decades later. And just to put a point on it earlier, talking about the Dalton School, Bill Barr's father was the headmaster of the Dalton School.
00:38:42.720He not only had a relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, he hired Jeffrey Epstein to teach, even though he was unqualified, according to Dalton standards, to do so and to see that relationship expand and then reshape itself over the decades that follow is truly remarkable.
00:39:01.720And it's another reason, folks, you're going to find you're going to find that Mike Benz's movie night, if you will, on on these Netflix productions, the American conspiracy, the octopus murders.
00:39:16.600You're going to find them fascinating. So please go to Twitter to and watch that.
00:39:20.960Go to Netflix and watch that. Also, the documentaries themselves.
00:39:24.100You have the wonderful benefit of the annotations by, of course, Mike Benz, as you watch those movies on his on his postings on Twitter.
00:39:35.880Mike, as always, fascinating conversation with you, my friend.
00:39:40.000And thank you. Thanks for your leadership on all these issues.
00:39:43.080Well, God bless you. And thank you for yours.
00:39:46.040Have a great one. And we'll talk soon. Thanks so much.
00:39:48.860And a reminder, the the the program is amazing.
00:39:53.720The documentary series on Netflix, the Netflix doc is called American Conspiracy, The Octopus Murders.
00:40:03.140And as Mike and I have just been talking about, urge you to to watch his offerings on on X.