The Great America Show - BETRAYAL!

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00:00:35.240 Kevin McCarthy, in his first significant test as Speaker of the House, has betrayed the conservatives of the GOP,

00:00:43.220 as some expected and feared from the very beginning of his taking of the speakership.

00:00:49.280 McCarthy has, without a doubt, sold out to President Biden and the Marxist Dems on a budget deal that will have a huge impact for years to come.

00:00:58.100 Some Republicans are profoundly shaken, deeply concerned that McCarthy's betrayal will undermine Republican chances in the 2024 election.

00:01:08.480 Not only the presidential election, but the senatorial and congressional races as well.

00:01:14.500 Republican presumptive nominee President Donald Trump vowing this week to end on his first day in office birthright citizenship for illegal immigrants.

00:01:24.480 Listen to this.

00:01:25.260 As part of my plan to secure the border on day one of my new term in office, I will sign an executive order making clear to federal agencies

00:01:33.460 that under the correct interpretation of the law, going forward, the future children of illegal aliens will not receive automatic U.S. citizenship.

00:01:43.760 It's things like this that bring millions of people to our country and they enter our country illegally. 0.99

00:01:52.820 My policy will choke off a major incentive for continued illegal immigration, deter more migrants from coming and encourage many of the aliens Joe Biden has unlawfully let into our country to go back to their home countries.

00:02:08.600 My order will also end their unfair practice known as birth tourism, where hundreds of thousands of people from all over the planet squatting hotels for their last few weeks of pregnancy to illegitimately and illegally obtain U.S. citizenship for the child.

00:02:33.040 Often to later exploit chain migration to jump the line and get green cards for themselves and their family members.

00:02:42.240 It's a practice that's a practice that's so horrible and so egregious, but we let it go forward.

00:02:49.460 At least one parent will have to be a citizen or a legal resident in order to qualify.

00:02:54.940 We will secure our borders and we will restore our sovereignty starting on day one.

00:03:00.040 The very latest polling, as we often bring you here on The Great America Show, has Trump with a sizable lead, a very sizable lead over DeSantis, 53% to 22%, that according to the RealClearPoliticsAverage.

00:03:15.660 Someone who isn't getting as much media attention as I think they probably will, polling higher than DeSantis in some of the latest polling.

00:03:24.320 Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:03:25.940 A new poll out this week by CNN has RFK Jr. polling at 20%.

00:03:31.900 In that same poll, CNN did a broad look at the candidates and others in a favorability poll.

00:03:38.260 The poll including the names of Donald Trump, Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley, Vivek Ramaswamy, Marianne Williamson, and even Vladimir Putin.

00:03:48.620 There was an important name missing, and that name was RFK Jr.

00:03:53.960 A coincidence? Not likely.

00:03:57.200 The Marxist-run mainstream media will do and say whatever they must to protect Joe Biden and at all costs, including obvious lies to the American public.

00:04:07.500 Turning now to someone who's polling on favorability isn't very favorable, coming in at just 34% in that CNN poll.

00:04:15.940 That's Kevin McCarthy.

00:04:17.700 McCarthy, in his first real challenge as speaker, has failed, and he's failed miserably.

00:04:22.400 Over the weekend, he agreed to the framework of a $4 trillion increase to the debt ceiling with no cap.

00:04:30.140 The deal McCarthy agreed to went against everything he had promised the Republican conference and the American people on the night he was sworn in to the role of speaker.

00:04:39.520 He vowed to fight against the hiring of the 80-plus-plus-thousand IRS agents.

00:04:45.360 He vowed to fight against the weaponization of the federal government against the American people.

00:04:50.400 He vowed to cut spending, not raise it.

00:04:52.500 He vowed to cut debt, not raise it.

00:04:54.980 And here we are, almost five full months since McCarthy begged and pleaded with the conservative members of his conference to give him the chance to be speaker.

00:05:04.260 After 14 failed votes, McCarthy was finally given the opportunity and has now proved those Freedom Caucus members, led by Congressman Andy Biggs, had every right to reject him.

00:05:16.720 Congressman Dan Bishop was also outspoken in January about the election of McCarthy as speaker.

00:05:22.820 He had McCarthy pegged.

00:05:24.740 Here is Congressman Bishop on McCarthy.

00:05:27.640 This is a career-defining vote for every Republican.

00:05:31.680 All of you guys know that thus far in this Congress, the dynamic force in Washington has been the unified House majority.

00:05:44.640 The fact that we resolved in January on concrete details how we were going to go forward together.

00:05:51.060 And it has been impactful over the first several months of Congress.

00:05:55.200 Imagine the decision of Kevin McCarthy and his negotiators to forfeit that.

00:06:04.820 Imagine that.

00:06:06.420 Why would you give that up?

00:06:08.860 Can you imagine doing it in the middle of a negotiating process without at least putting us all in a room to hash out or representatives from our several groups among the Republican conference who have gotten together before?

00:06:20.120 Can you calculate the cost of surrendering that advantage?

00:06:26.900 Our guest today is Congressman Andy Biggs.

00:06:29.580 He's the former head of the Freedom Caucus.

00:06:31.520 Biggs opposed McCarthy, as I said, and challenged him and warned us McCarthy's diminished integrity and political principle would soon show up.

00:06:41.080 Congressman Andy Biggs led the opposition to McCarthy as speaker.

00:06:44.300 He led the Brave 20, who held out against McCarthy to the final vote for speaker.

00:06:49.220 Congressman, thanks for taking the time to join us here.

00:06:52.260 I know how busy you are.

00:06:53.880 And here we go.

00:06:55.140 This is a moment I think everyone feared would arrive.

00:06:58.560 Your assessment of the speaker's deal with President Biden on the debt ceiling.

00:07:03.460 Well, Lou, I think this is probably the worst piece of legislation I've seen since I've been in Congress.

00:07:09.340 And the way it was negotiated, everything about it, the process has been bad.

00:07:14.480 But when you have a bad process, almost invariably, you're going to get a really bad product.

00:07:19.100 And this product is putrid, quite frankly.

00:07:22.900 And I'm hoping that we can at least keep a majority of Republicans off of it.

00:07:28.200 I know that I know, Lou, this gives you an idea how bad this is.

00:07:31.920 I'm pretty certain there's going to be 100 to 150 Democrats voting for this bill tomorrow.

00:07:36.480 They'll also help it get out of rules.

00:07:41.000 And I just hope that a majority of Republicans say no.

00:07:44.800 That is really stunning to think what has been wrought with this deal over the course of the weekend.

00:07:54.860 I was actually surprised when it was announced that the president was taking a few days to head back to Wilmington.

00:08:02.640 The House was out of session.

00:08:05.940 And I said on this show, I said, it sounds to me like they've got a deal.

00:08:11.060 I never, in my wildest dreams, believed it would be this awful, this on its face, absolutely repugnant.

00:08:19.880 It's just a betrayal on every level, a betrayal of the Freedom Caucus, the 20, the American people, you name it.

00:08:29.500 Yeah, Lou, that's exactly right.

00:08:30.880 So I predicted, I told people about a week ago, I said, I think they already have their deal.

00:08:37.220 They're just, they've got to try a few bows around it. 0.51

00:08:40.700 And, Lou, so if we start talking about the specifics of this deal, the first place you always start is the fact that there's not a dollar figure that they're lifting the debt ceiling to.

00:08:52.340 They are taking the cap completely off from the day of enactment until January 1st, 2025.

00:09:00.000 And that means you'll have about 19 months with no debt ceiling cap at all.

00:09:06.700 In other words, it'd be if your credit card company said to you, hey, you know what?

00:09:10.660 We're taking your credit limit off.

00:09:14.620 There's no credit limit for you for the next 19 months.

00:09:16.900 It's just a matter of how much you spend.

00:09:18.840 You have to choose how much you spend.

00:09:20.140 But that's how dangerous and reckless this is.

00:09:23.500 And they did that for two reasons, very cynical reasons, too.

00:09:26.460 Number one, they wanted to get past the 2024 election, which actually benefits the Biden administration.

00:09:31.840 It hurts whoever the Republican is who's running because he can't, he or she can't run on that issue, right?

00:09:37.620 I mean, they're stuck running.

00:09:39.580 They're not going to be able to run on that issue.

00:09:41.340 And the second thing that's really cynical is they didn't put a number in there because the American people will recoil when they hear that in just a year and a half,

00:09:50.620 they'll probably spend at least $4 to $5 trillion, increase the national debt that much, because that's probably what's going to happen.

00:09:57.760 And people who are watching and listening to all of this transpire, I think there's a great possibility, depending on the way it's conducted from here on.

00:10:12.960 I truly believe that the Republican Party is at an existential moment because there have been lies.

00:10:20.040 And I know that's no surprise in the swamp, but for it to be this blatant, this overt, this cynical is deeply disturbing to me, I will tell you that.

00:10:33.400 And I'm not exactly naive on what people are capable of.

00:10:40.080 But this, to suggest that they just simply suspend the ceiling, the budget ceiling, is just stunning to me.

00:10:51.820 And to take the election of 2024 and dismiss it by putting the date certain as January 1st, 2025.

00:11:00.280 These are some cynical operators.

00:11:02.980 These are not clever boys and girls. 0.83

00:11:04.600 These are just cynical, cynical operatives in the White House.

00:11:10.800 And apparently a good store of them as well in the Republican Party working with Speaker McCarthy.

00:11:16.980 Yeah, Lou, what you're seeing is when you talk about an existential moment for the Republican Party,

00:11:24.460 here's the simplest way to put it is there was a coalition that just de facto formed in January over the Speaker's race, right?

00:11:33.060 And it was really McCarthy and McCarthy's close allies working with the Freedom Caucus and other conservatives.

00:11:42.500 And so you got some decent legislation out in the first three or four months.

00:11:46.500 And there was movement in the right direction.

00:11:51.680 What this does is it actually just rips the conference in half, the Republican conference in half.

00:11:59.080 And actually, the new coalition going forward looks to me, McCarthy will have to rely, if McCarthy's allowed to stay in office,

00:12:08.880 McCarthy will have to form his coalition with Democrats.

00:12:13.300 He's proven untrustworthy.

00:12:15.380 And so it's going to be, I don't know how many Republicans and the Democrats are pushing forward,

00:12:23.000 not a Republican platform because Democrats won't do that.

00:12:26.500 But if McCarthy's going to do anything, he's going to either do just little trinkets, you know,

00:12:33.180 trimming around the edges for legislation, or he's going to do the Biden administration's policies,

00:12:38.860 which is what he's doing in this bill.

00:12:41.080 This deal that he struck is doing Biden's bidding.

00:12:47.280 It's that simple.

00:12:48.140 I said earlier, this wasn't a negotiation for McCarthy.

00:12:52.580 It was a horse whipping, and he was saying thank you to the president for the lashing.

00:12:59.700 It is, it's obscene what we're watching.

00:13:02.660 It took McCarthy four months to double-cross everybody, everybody except Biden.

00:13:09.100 And that makes me think very, very suspiciously, I mean, I admit.

00:13:15.340 But it makes me think that he said, okay, President Biden, if I do your bidding, what do I get?

00:13:22.580 I'm going to need all of the help I can get from Hakeem Jeffries.

00:13:26.720 I'm going to need all of the votes on the Democratic conference, and they've got to be at my beck and call.

00:13:33.380 And they've got to support me if there is a motion to vote to vacate.

00:13:38.720 Am I being too skeptical here?

00:13:42.440 No, I don't think you're skeptical at all.

00:13:44.300 I mean, I've talked to some of my Democrat friends, and they're with me.

00:13:47.660 I think you're going to see 100 to 150 people vote on this bill, and I think they would vote to keep McCarthy in as speaker.

00:13:55.220 Why would you get rid of McCarthy as speaker if you're a Democrat?

00:13:59.340 Because he's now proven that he's going to help you facilitate your agenda.

00:14:03.980 Yeah, absolutely.

00:14:04.660 We are talking with Congressman Andy Biggs.

00:14:08.160 We're coming right back.

00:14:09.520 Please stay with us.

00:14:10.320 We're going to find out what happens from here.

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00:15:36.340 We're back now with Congressman Andy Biggs.

00:15:39.360 Congressman, what do you do now?

00:15:41.700 It's very likely that Speaker McCarthy has cut a deal with Biden and the Democrats for protection for the speakership.

00:15:50.520 He's now on the road to perdition.

00:15:55.480 He has cast his lot with the Dems and this impaired puppet president, but, of course, also the establishment of both parties. 0.96

00:16:06.940 What do you do now and what is the likely path forward?

00:16:11.700 What should we expect?

00:16:14.060 Well, the path forward is just going to go to Rules Committee.

00:16:18.720 I think it's going to have to have Democrat votes to get through Rules Committee, I think.

00:16:24.640 If it comes out, it'll be a bare Republican majority, and, you know, that's where it's going to go.

00:16:33.360 And then the question is, are they going to allow amendments?

00:16:35.560 And if they allow amendments, I don't really like this strategy of trying to put amendments on this,

00:16:41.360 other than to point out how bad the bill is.

00:16:43.480 But I also don't want to allow people who are moderates and Democrats to vote for some of these amendments and say,

00:16:50.880 well, see, I tried to fix it.

00:16:52.000 We couldn't fix it, so we had to do this.

00:16:54.140 Anyway, it's going to have – the vote's going to be tomorrow night.

00:16:59.040 There'll be some debate tomorrow.

00:17:01.320 And it's going to pass, Lou.

00:17:03.660 It's going to pass because you're going to have all the – well, not all, but, you know,

00:17:07.240 some of the Progressive Caucus won't vote for it, but you're going to have probably 100, 150 Democrats.

00:17:10.980 You'll probably have some – a neighborhood of 100 or more even Republicans vote for it.

00:17:16.380 Then it goes to the Senate, and then the Senate is going to sit there,

00:17:19.720 and Chuck Schumer's going to have all the Democrats vote for it.

00:17:22.340 And if you think that McConnell's going to be able to stop it or has any inclination or desire,

00:17:28.160 he doesn't even have the desire to stop it.

00:17:30.100 So he'll have his 12 or 15 that vote for it, and then it goes to the president's desk and gets signed into law.

00:17:35.700 Now, the question is what happens to Mr. McCarthy's speakership at that point.

00:17:41.580 And I'm hearing rumblings that some people are going to actually offer up that motion to vacate.

00:17:48.760 And the motion to vacate is appropriate probably here where he's thrown everybody under the bus.

00:17:53.960 But here's the worst outcome of that is if Democrats vote to keep him, which, as I predicted to you,

00:18:00.520 I think they will keep him because you don't need to replace him.

00:18:03.960 You don't want to dare replace him with a Republican who actually might fight you on stuff.

00:18:08.120 So you'd keep McCarthy.

00:18:10.280 And if you keep McCarthy in, then does that empower him and embolden him to go over with the Democrats more often?

00:18:17.500 And I'd say, yeah.

00:18:18.300 So what you, as I would infer from what you've said, that there is no way forward here.

00:18:27.460 This is straightforward, a railroad that goes straight ahead and only stops at stations that Biden designates.

00:18:35.720 Well, I mean, this bill is definitely preserving the Biden agenda, even Lou, even as you and I have been speaking just right before you and I started speaking here.

00:18:47.580 One of Biden's top economic advisors said that the deal with Kevin McCarthy actually cements in the progress of the leftist or the progressive agenda.

00:19:00.700 And it does.

00:19:01.580 I mean, it really does.

00:19:02.360 And the question is, is there any way to turn that ship around?

00:19:12.400 And it would have to be turned around between now and tomorrow night.

00:19:14.980 And it would have to be done by the middle of the road Republicans in Congress in the House who were to say, we can't do this.

00:19:25.020 We can't do this.

00:19:26.380 And because if you had 120 Republicans that were going to vote no on this, I think at that point McCarthy's got to say, OK, we can't do this deal.

00:19:35.200 And I'm not sure that you get the 120.

00:19:37.200 And I'm not sure that McCarthy, even with that, I'm not sure that he would come around.

00:19:41.320 So how many no votes do you think you can get?

00:19:43.500 I'm hoping for 60 to 80.

00:19:48.740 Actually, that's not what I'm hoping for.

00:19:50.260 That's what I think we're going to get.

00:19:51.880 I'm hoping for 150.

00:19:53.820 But I'm trying to be realistic.

00:19:57.800 You know what I don't understand about this, Congressman?

00:20:00.640 He was on his way.

00:20:02.320 He was doing what he said he would do, Speaker McCarthy.

00:20:07.080 And in one, his first big challenge, he lays down.

00:20:14.340 He rolls over.

00:20:15.820 He collapses.

00:20:18.840 And for what?

00:20:20.620 That's what I don't understand.

00:20:21.940 For what?

00:20:22.700 And the Republican conference is just think about what happened here.

00:20:26.480 And as you know, I was never for the idea of putting forward this debt ceiling.

00:20:30.700 But what they've done in putting this forward and and this combination of incompetence, ineptitude and just pure deceit is to mean is to demean the Republican conference.

00:20:47.140 It means that those investigative committees are not going to have the credibility they had before Republicans all over the country were campaigning against the eighty seven thousand IRS agents.

00:20:59.700 There's a weaponization subcommittee now.

00:21:03.140 What weaponization?

00:21:05.460 He's helped them add eighty seven, eighty thousand IRS agents.

00:21:11.400 The weaponization.

00:21:12.740 They've got reinforcements in weaponization, not curtailment.

00:21:18.840 Yeah, I think he undermined the entire conservative agenda in Congress.

00:21:23.800 And that's the sad part, because this I mean, if it was just about the bill, we could say it's just a horrible, horrible bill.

00:21:31.000 And and and but it is beyond that because it has secondary tertiary impacts that are totally unintended.

00:21:38.260 Like I say, it rends the conference apart and and and makes it almost ungovernable now because of of this.

00:21:49.360 Second thing, it makes him reliant more on the Democrats.

00:21:52.780 Third thing, it gives it actually gives lobbyists around here the power that we were trying to minimize in our fight last January.

00:22:04.240 It has it also, quite frankly, it's it probably does in our chances to take the House and the Senate and the White House in 2024.

00:22:14.240 I mean, look, we I mean, we just lost this whole battle to to Joe Biden and Joe Biden is is incompetent.

00:22:27.240 And we demonstrated that what I think people are going to say is we can't trust the Republicans.

00:22:34.740 We still can't trust the Republicans. We knew they would do this to us sooner or later.

00:22:38.700 They did it. And so they're going to flee and they're not going to come back probably for the 2024 election.

00:22:44.560 And that is. That is doing what I would say is both is a generational damage, the actual numbers and stuff, that's multigenerational.

00:22:55.900 But what you've done is you've created a generation of damage politically as well.

00:23:00.900 Well, Speaker McCarthy lied to be Speaker. He betrayed the conference.

00:23:07.400 And and the fact of the matter is he turned over the Republican Party to.

00:23:14.480 To. To evil incarnate, in my opinion, it's just it's appalling what we're witnessing here, and I and I can't believe that the other leaders in the conference did not stop this man before he did this,

00:23:31.160 because they know what he just did to the investigative committees, what they just did, as you as you put it perfectly, what he did to the Republican Party and his chances in 2024.

00:23:42.740 Andy Biggs, you're you're a great American. We appreciate you being with us.

00:23:49.260 And I know you're short on time, but as always, I give you the last word to your concluding thoughts, if you will, Congressman.

00:23:55.980 Well, Lou, you and I talked about this in January. This is one of the reasons I ran against Mr. McCarthy.

00:24:02.340 We knew that when the tests would come, that he would revert to old habits. And this is an old habit of his.

00:24:07.800 And so it's a shame. But, you know, people like you and I and and people who follow you, Lou, we can't ever give up.

00:24:17.200 We have to continue to fight the fight because there's too much at stake.

00:24:21.940 Absolutely. Congressman, all of the very best to you. Congressman Andy Biggs. Thanks so much.

00:24:27.360 Thanks, Lou.

00:24:28.380 That's all for us today. Thank you for being with us, everybody.

00:24:31.080 Our guest here tomorrow will be former Trump presidential advisor Peter Navarro.

00:24:36.080 We hope you'll join us for that. Until then, thanks.

00:24:39.400 God bless you and may God bless America.

The Great America Show - May 31, 2023

BETRAYAL!

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