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00:01:14.920 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs and welcome to The Great America Show. Great to have you with us.

00:01:23.240 A new Epstein document dump this week, shedding further light on just how perverse some of the

00:01:28.380 country's most powerful people really are. The latest documents from Epstein victim Sarah Ransom.

00:01:35.620 Ransom was one of the victims who gave the court a statement ahead of the sentencing

00:01:39.560 of Epstein enabler Ghislaine Maxwell. In those documents, Ransom says she was aware of and has

00:01:47.840 seen sex tapes that show Prince Andrew, Richard Branson and Bill Clinton having sex with underage

00:01:55.000 girls. Epstein was reportedly known to secretly record his friends taking part in sexual acts with

00:02:02.180 underage girls, then use those tapes to blackmail them. The FBI rated all of Epstein's properties 0.89

00:02:09.300 in 2019 and have never to this day released any of the thousands of pieces of evidence that were

00:02:15.780 retrieved. What are they waiting for? Or are they purposely protecting pedophiles? The FBI has been

00:02:23.560 somewhat preoccupied since January 6th of 2021, going after everyone and anyone who was at the Capitol on

00:02:31.500 January 6th. The third anniversary of January 6th just passed this weekend and apparently the DOJ is

00:02:39.000 still hunting for new political hostages. The D.C. U.S. Attorney Matthew Graves in an anniversary press

00:02:46.260 conference saying the DOJ is now going to target thousands of Americans who were around the Capitol

00:02:53.080 on January 6th but didn't enter the building. And what happened inside of the building? An important

00:02:59.720 note when it comes to our prosecutions about those who remained outside the building. We have used our

00:03:05.680 prosecutorial discretion to primarily focus on those who entered the building or those who engaged in

00:03:12.280 violent or corrupt conduct on Capitol grounds. But if a person no only entered the restricted area

00:03:18.740 without authorization, they had already committed a federal crime. Make no mistake, thousands of people

00:03:26.400 occupied an area that they were not authorized to be present in in the first place.

00:03:30.920 So if you're still wondering why the Epstein documents weren't released, it's clearly because the FBI and DOJ

00:03:37.660 would rather spend their time looking for freedom fighters and demonstrators than pedophiles.

00:03:43.680 Rhino Mike Pence on CNN this week. Right away you know that's trouble. But you can't say he doesn't know his

00:03:50.400 audience. He says he's happy that more than 1,200 Trump supporters have been politically persecuted.

00:03:57.660 Pence also saying he believes FBI Director Wray whenever he says the FBI didn't contribute to the

00:04:05.440 so-called insurrection. You know I've seen the director of the FBI repeatedly assure the American people that

00:04:13.180 the FBI were not the instigators of the riot that occurred on January 6th. And frankly I'm very

00:04:20.300 grateful for the efforts of the FBI to bring nearly a thousand people to justice who ransacked our

00:04:27.400 Capitol and did violence against police officers that day. But you're right. We've been assured again

00:04:34.500 and again that it was not the case. And I just must tell you having been there that day I mean to see

00:04:41.680 people literally breaking windows ransacking the Capitol. It just infuriated me. I remember thinking

00:04:49.860 you know not this. Not here. Not at the United States Capitol. And I believe everyone that conducted

00:04:57.300 that that riot at the Capitol needs to be held to the fullest extent of the law. I'm pleased that many

00:05:02.620 have. But I've never been given any information. I've heard the many repeated assurances from the FBI

00:05:10.120 that they were not involved and I take them at their word. Pence obviously missing the numerous times

00:05:14.860 that FBI Director Christopher Wray testified on Capitol Hill in which he said he can't confirm

00:05:20.520 how many federal agents were there on January 6th. Former Attorney General William Barr seems to be

00:05:27.240 changing his tune of late and it's for the better. Barr telling Fox this week that January 6th was not an

00:05:34.520 insurrection and that the DOJ has way overstepped their boundaries with their January 6th persecutions.

00:05:41.760 Like everything else the left does they did I think go too far. I think there were people involved

00:05:49.240 in January 6th particularly the people who attacked the police and broke their way into the Capitol.

00:05:55.940 There were people that should have been prosecuted but I think they cast their net far too broadly

00:06:01.120 and have been hounding people that really you know just walked in to open doors in the Capitol and

00:06:08.740 hung around. I you know I think they just took it too far. But that being said I don't minimize

00:06:16.400 what happened up there. While I don't think it was an insurrection it clearly was a shameful episode

00:06:22.440 and some of the people involved should be prosecuted. Where has William Barr been? Where was he when

00:06:28.280 January 6th went down? He could have put this whole insurrection nonsense to rest in one statement.

00:06:34.140 The 2024 election is fast approaching and former CIA analyst John Gentry says the intelligence community

00:06:41.700 is sure to be active in this election as they were in the 2020 election shielding Biden and his family of

00:06:49.420 crooks from almost everything. So what are we to do about it? Joining us today John Gentry. John thanks for

00:06:57.180 being with us here on The Great America Show. I want to compliment you on your book entitled

00:07:01.920 Neutering the CIA. Why U.S. Intelligence vs. Trump Has Long-Term Consequences. Well Neutering the CIA is

00:07:10.920 the title. We recommend it to everybody highly and John I have to say first and foremost thanks for

00:07:16.320 doing the book. The American people are desperately in need of all of the information that we can get

00:07:22.880 about the intelligence community and the disinformation they're ginning up and their

00:07:27.900 relationship to our government and the political system. Obama's plan as you point out to fundamentally

00:07:34.760 transform America seems to lie at the very foundation of what has become the weaponization

00:07:41.300 of the intelligence community and particularly the CIA. Is that a correct statement? I think it's a major

00:07:48.180 part of it. Not the only part to be sure. There were some evolutionary changes occurring. Young people

00:07:55.640 were coming into the IC, the intelligence community and the post 9-11 period. But President Obama made a

00:08:05.820 big step in pushing the hiring of diverse people. He created in 2011 an executive order which created

00:08:21.780 within the federal government agencies including in the IC diversity offices and he named senior officials

00:08:30.720 within the intelligence community particularly James Clapper as a director of national intelligence

00:08:35.640 and John Brennan the director of the CIA who pushed his agenda quite a bit further. And John Brennan I

00:08:44.300 believe is the primary person responsible shall we say for the politicization that we've seen in recent years in the CIA.

00:08:55.560 He pushed the president's agenda considerably and then went farther and importantly and we know this from his

00:09:05.640 his own words he encouraged his people CIA people to be politically active. And we know that there was an upsurge in leaks after Donald Trump became a serious presidential contender and then president. And we know too that there were a number of people who were out of government, former intelligence people or formers as we know them.

00:09:34.040 And the formers also were active. And some of them said in no uncertain terms that they were acting this way because of advice, advice and encouragement that they got from John Brennan.

00:09:46.620 When we talk about the intelligence community, as you point out in your book, those formers take up a big space that most of people, most people I think would not even consider to be in the IC, but they obviously have great influence and roles to play.

00:10:04.720 And you pointed out that almost, well, for the very first year that Obama was in office, he started this DEI, it was called that then, diversity, equity, inclusion.

00:10:17.620 And that, for example, we're seeing a manifestation of the disaster that's awaiting, I think, much of corporate America right now in the Harvard conflict and controversy over their president, who was first accused of being a bigot and the secondly, a plagiarist.

00:10:35.540 And now the DEI thing has exploded in academia, but it hasn't done so in government.

00:10:45.140 It still is being pushed as hard today, if not harder than it was 10 years ago, isn't it?

00:10:52.640 Oh, I think it's being pushed much harder now.

00:10:55.800 So Obama started it very clearly.

00:10:58.620 He set up the diversity offices within the federal government as a whole, which became, in essence, the ideological as well as the human resources enforcement group within these organizations.

00:11:13.500 The Trump administration basically ignored this issue.

00:11:16.720 They did essentially nothing to reverse it.

00:11:19.720 And when Joe Biden became president, he brought back the Obama policies and then pushed them considerably further.

00:11:30.420 So my sources are telling me that the kinds of things that I was seeing at CIA in the second Obama term and during the Trump years is now becoming more common in agencies around the government,

00:11:46.060 including in the uniformed military, which is unprecedented, unprecedented and and I think disastrous for the military.

00:11:55.500 I don't even want to contemplate where that where that leads in terms of both the the military order, morale staffing and the success of recruiting, of course,

00:12:08.660 which has become the failure of recruiting right now.

00:12:11.740 People just don't want to join a woke organization.

00:12:14.400 They want to join the United States military.

00:12:16.880 And that seems to be just a shadow of a of an afterthought of what it once was.

00:12:23.300 But staying with the CIA here for for some time, John Brennan, as you mentioned, the primary, if you will, the protagonist really within the the IC itself.

00:12:36.100 He was motivated not simply by Obama's executive order, as you point out, he was already well on his way to driving that program in the CIA.

00:12:50.260 And now is colluding, if I may use that expression with 50 others in by 2020, 50 others in signing a letter lying through their teeth that it was Russian disinformation.

00:13:07.080 When one man, not generally considered to be part of the IC, the attorney general, Bill Barr, knew full well he was lying,

00:13:16.920 even as he was debating Donald Trump in the final debate of 2020 about the validity of both the Hunter Biden laptop,

00:13:27.120 but also the the ridiculous assertion that Trump was colluding with the Russians, which they knew very well he was not.

00:13:37.400 Right. The collusion, the Russian collusion issue was was in the 2016-17 period.

00:13:46.320 And as you know, special special counsel, Robert, Robert Mueller pretty much put that put that to bed.

00:13:54.660 But you raise an important issue in the what I call a laptop 51 letter.

00:14:01.000 Right. But in this case, you you had a situation I think we know now courtesy some some House hearings in March of 2023.

00:14:10.780 Here you had a situation in which the the Hunter Biden laptop was was left, was looked at,

00:14:20.760 was seen to contain information that was at least prospectively very damaging to the Biden family.

00:14:28.800 The the FBI apparently looked at it, thought it was real, but didn't say anything.

00:14:35.340 Right. The campaign, the Biden campaign did know that this was this was a prospective problem.

00:14:42.320 And they encouraged then a couple of the formers, Michael Morrell, former deputy director at CIA and Mark Palomaropoulos,

00:14:53.020 a senior retired operations officer. They they were then asked to help.

00:14:58.520 And the way they helped was to write a short letter that that would be an open letter.

00:15:05.860 The open letter form format was something that was used repeatedly during the Trump years.

00:15:12.460 Letters would be signed. There would be a specific message associated with them.

00:15:17.360 Usually they were published by Politico, the organization here in the in the Washington area.

00:15:23.000 Well, in this case, the the the the effort was to make the letter, excuse me, make make the the laptop story,

00:15:34.900 which is initially reported in the Washington, excuse me, in the New York Post, make it look like it was Russian disinformation and thereby appear to be a non a non issue.

00:15:49.180 As you know, October surprises are things that presidential candidates do not like.

00:15:54.700 Now, was this was this really a Russian disinformation operation?

00:16:02.360 My understanding from one of the people who received a solicitation to sign this letter.

00:16:07.740 told me that the original solicitation was not use your good intelligence judgment to make to make an assessment of this situation.

00:16:19.440 Instead, the message was, please sign the letter because we need we need to.

00:16:24.520 We want to help Joe Biden.

00:16:26.280 So it was from the very beginning, at least in this one case, it was it was a politically motivated use of intelligence expertise for blatant political purposes.

00:16:40.500 Yeah. And Mike Morrell, former acting director of the CIA, deputy director as well,

00:16:48.820 being very plain spoken and direct about it with those the signees that he solicited, saying it is specifically for the purpose of helping Joe Biden win the presidency of the United States.

00:17:02.340 In this one case, anyway, I have information from one source only, but it was according to this source, it was very clear.

00:17:10.940 In this instance, we've got Mike Morrell in his own words and and and that to me is is is a disgrace and no one has held him to account for it to this point.

00:17:22.140 We are we are talking with John Gentry.

00:17:25.340 He is the author of the very important book, Neutering the CIA.

00:17:30.160 We're going to be talking with him next about what happens now.

00:17:35.640 And we'll be right back after these quick words.

00:17:38.520 Stay with us.

00:17:40.940 We're back now.

00:17:45.960 We're talking with John Gentry.

00:17:47.140 He is the author of what I consider to be a very important book, Neutering the CIA.

00:17:54.060 John, 12 years and analyst with the CIA.

00:17:59.180 He also spent four years at the Intelligence University and is a thoughtful and knowledgeable and great American.

00:18:09.660 And we thank you again for being with us, John.

00:18:12.180 I want to turn to the CIA today as a result of all that has preceded over the previous, well, almost decade and a half.

00:18:22.060 Suddenly, the CIA has quotas.

00:18:25.700 It has demographic quotas and percentages that it has to meet in its makeup.

00:18:32.400 I was stunned reading your book to find that more than half of the CIA employees are women, which is an extraordinary number, that there is an insistence upon racial quotas within the CIA.

00:18:47.420 The DEI, that is the case, by the way, in human resources departments throughout corporate America now and all parts of the federal government.

00:18:57.520 I noticed that there was no reference to how many conservatives and how many liberals they want to have on what quotas and what balance they want so that we look more like America, as you quote President Obama, having said.

00:19:10.460 Well, looking like America means you hire and promote more people who are in the coalition of people who are favored.

00:19:23.660 And what that means effectively at this point is people who are not male, Caucasian, heterosexual and healthy.

00:19:31.820 Why would we not want some representation of what is the clear majority of the nation?

00:19:37.840 It's it's a breath.

00:19:39.700 And I'm being facetious as I say this, because it is so ludicrous on its face.

00:19:45.260 But it is gospel to these true believers on the left.

00:19:50.080 These these neo-Marxists who make up the leadership of the Democrat Party.

00:19:55.640 Well, the assumption, the assertion is that European American men are oppressors, again, largely from a from a Marxian perspective, as you say.

00:20:08.240 And so your your your diversity policy is to help redress this oppressive evil. 0.57

00:20:16.060 So you're not interested in in hiring more people who are who are Caucasian men and certainly not conservative. 0.97

00:20:23.060 And and and here we are in 2024 with the most important, I believe, and I said the same thing in 2020.

00:20:32.520 So now it's just more important.

00:20:34.080 I think existential now that this election be fair, it be free and free of interference, certainly from the very intelligence community that has no business doing anything in domestic politics.

00:20:49.260 As you point out, time and time again, that it's honored in in violation constantly.

00:20:57.160 The CIA seems to be principally a one of the two or three largest sources of disinformation campaigns against the American people.

00:21:08.720 It is that serious.

00:21:10.560 How do we roll it back?

00:21:12.180 Well, I think I think you need you need some senior leadership here.

00:21:18.320 And again, Mr. Trump did not do this in in in in 2017 to 21.

00:21:24.500 So my personal hope is whoever is the next president will will address this.

00:21:29.560 But a key point here is that it really is not formally the CIA that is doing this.

00:21:35.620 So we had a long history and I won't even begin to get into it.

00:21:40.260 But there were there were there were efforts in the 1960s and 70s to to have formal programs run by the director and so on that went after antiwar activists in the in the Vietnam War period.

00:21:54.680 That that activity was discovered.

00:21:57.600 It was generally widely considered to be inappropriate.

00:22:00.860 So so so the agency proper has not done domestic operations of this sort ever since.

00:22:08.580 To my knowledge, it is, in fact, against the law and it's against the culture.

00:22:12.820 But we have two major groups of people who are involved in this, who are active.

00:22:19.160 Again, the formers, we've mentioned several of them here who are now who use their intelligence credentials, bolstered, shined up and so on by the by the the liberal media,

00:22:36.280 who who are using the skills that CIA officers developed over the years in the information operations area to to to generate alterations in perceptions.

00:22:52.580 And the second group is the form is the current employees who are leaking.

00:22:58.620 So they're leaking purposefully incorrect information at times.

00:23:03.700 They're doing what what's known as disinformation.

00:23:06.980 And the effort here is to is to in in our contemporary case, damage political enemies, including Donald Trump.

00:23:17.000 And this is a bureaucracy.

00:23:19.660 This is we're talking about the intelligence community sworn taking an oath to defend the Constitution, trampling it,

00:23:27.680 actually trying to subvert a president to overthrow a president in the case of Donald Trump.

00:23:32.880 We see an extension of that now simply because on the basis of their their sense of self-righteousness that they know better than does anyone else.

00:23:44.240 Mayor mortals like the American people at the polls making a decision.

00:23:49.380 They prefer to make those decisions.

00:23:51.220 This is this is risen to the level of a fifth column, in my opinion, within the United States, within our political system by groups of people who have no business interfering in domestic politics in any way.

00:24:05.640 Well, I would certainly certainly agree with you there.

00:24:09.260 And in fact, we have a number of the formers, the leakers are not talking this way to the public.

00:24:16.560 They can't do that.

00:24:17.460 It's either against the law, depending on what they're saying, or against policies.

00:24:21.300 But people like John McLaughlin, for example, and any number of others, somewhat less articulately, have made that made the point that politicization of intelligence,

00:24:31.620 the injection of politics into intelligence doing, even though they all recognize that this is bad,

00:24:37.060 that there was such a such a horrid situation developing in 2016 and then and then present for four years that that intelligence people as good people needed to step forward and to warn the American people about the danger that was that was that was confronting them.

00:24:59.140 So the danger, the danger that they had manufactured, they everything from the creation, the Steele dossier, everything to the allegations of collusion were all absolute fictions structured, manufactured by the intelligence community itself and its formers and assisters, enablers.

00:25:22.060 Well, I think a Steele dossier, actually, so this was this was a set of small papers put together into a quote dossier done by Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer.

00:25:35.440 He was actually hired by the Hillary Clinton campaign in 2016 to do to do as part of the opera opposition research effort.

00:25:44.540 Yeah, that what what what many of the and so this is a legitimate issue to look at.

00:25:50.420 And I so far as I can tell, we still don't know exactly what happened, what happened there.

00:25:56.060 And we want to I'm sorry, we're going to have to take a quick break.

00:25:59.000 If I may, John, we'll come right back.

00:26:01.400 We are talking with John Gentry.

00:26:03.220 The book is neutering the CIA at this point, a lofty prospect, perhaps an impossible one.

00:26:11.880 But we're going to try, folks. Right.

00:26:13.580 We're coming right back. Stay with us.

00:26:21.180 We're back now with John Gentry.

00:26:23.060 And thanks for staying with us.

00:26:24.360 And, John, as we're listening to you, it's it's extraordinarily sobering and informative and and downright alarming to think about the power of the IC turned against the American people, 0.72

00:26:36.860 trying to to determine the outcome of political choices, electoral choices.

00:26:42.360 What are the implications of what the intelligence community, the CIA, for example, and prominently have become?

00:26:50.880 Politicization, the injection of of of politics into intelligence activities is is is long and well known to be a problem for the intelligence business and for national security decision making.

00:27:05.980 The first and most obvious problem here is that when when intelligence is seen as being something other than apolitical, not not not nonpartisan, but apolitical, its credibility is is tarnished.

00:27:25.480 People do not trust it as much.

00:27:27.940 National leaders have many, many opportunities to gather information and insights from other places.

00:27:35.980 And they are less likely to use intelligence as a result.

00:27:39.660 So we know we know, I think, pretty clearly that intelligence, when it works, can help national decision making, can help make help help national decision makers make better decisions.

00:27:54.180 So so in essence, political politicized intelligence damages national security decision making.

00:28:02.160 And is there any chance this year, this election year, that the CIA is so now.

00:28:10.160 So hubris that they would actually directly get involved in determining the vote, be putting forward programs specifically to determine the outcome, not just simply playing at the edge,

00:28:27.840 a prominent play at the edge, like they did in 2020, that is with other intelligence agencies shutting down free speech, particularly of conservatives on national security grounds was the pretext.

00:28:43.580 Well, I don't I don't I don't think I don't think I don't think I don't think that's that's an issue, but I do think trying to influence the the outcome is.

00:28:58.660 And we had considerable evidence of that in both 2016 and 20.

00:29:06.520 So we saw we saw misinformation.

00:29:11.160 We saw a partial information.

00:29:12.580 We saw misleading information put on MSNBC in New York Times op eds and so on.

00:29:22.480 So you're you've got influence happening.

00:29:26.300 I don't think we need to worry about them actually messing with ballot boxes.

00:29:30.820 Did did the did the intelligence community in its righteous judgment withhold intelligence from President Trump while he was in office?

00:29:41.860 Do you think?

00:29:42.320 Yes, there is one report that was published in January of 2021, right at the end of the Trump administration, the the ODNI,

00:29:56.960 the Office of the Director of National Intelligence Analytic Ombudsman,

00:30:00.400 wrote a letter to the Senate Intelligence Committee in which he talked about a situation in which China analysts in the IC were reported to have withheld information from the White House

00:30:17.000 on the grounds that this information would help the Trump administration in its China related policies.

00:30:25.520 And since these analysts did not want to help the Trump administration, they withheld the information.

00:30:31.740 Was that John Radcliffe is the DNI when he was a DNI at the time?

00:30:36.880 Yes.

00:30:37.380 Yeah.

00:30:37.780 The the individual who wrote the wrote this memo was Barry Zuloff.

00:30:42.720 Right.

00:30:43.140 It's it's on the Web.

00:30:44.900 No, no.

00:30:45.680 I mean, I recall the incident very clearly.

00:30:47.800 And and the is as we're discussing the implications of it, it's it's it's been a fascinating conversation today.

00:30:58.260 I hope that you will come back and I hope that you're you're right about the CIA not getting involved in the direct electoral process.

00:31:07.800 The counting of the vote, for example, because we know that they have so often got involved in elections internationally.

00:31:16.520 I'll put it that way.

00:31:19.120 You get the concluding word here.

00:31:20.980 We appreciate it.

00:31:21.840 And we always try to give our guests the last word, John.

00:31:26.380 Thank you.

00:31:27.020 I think to listeners as as voters, I would encourage you to pay attention to to the quality of information that you're getting.

00:31:36.720 We know that we know that some intelligence people as individuals are interested in in influencing the information space.

00:31:45.340 I encourage people to be very careful about what they believe.

00:31:51.320 Thank you, John.

00:31:52.180 And I encourage everybody listening to to get John's book, John Gentry.

00:31:56.760 The book is neutering the CIA, an important read, more important in this election season than ever, ever before.

00:32:08.580 We've had some tough elections, but I think this is going to be a beauty.

00:32:11.820 And I would urge you to buy the book and read it carefully, because we are right now in a tsunami of disinformation campaigns emanating from not only the government, but other other agencies and institutions in Washington, D.C.

00:32:27.700 and in other places like, well, New York, you name it.

00:32:32.740 And we've got a lot of sources for disinformation and very, as I often say, of the Biden administration.

00:32:39.080 We get three types of information, John, from the Biden administration.

00:32:43.260 We get disinformation, misinformation and no information.

00:32:47.900 And we appreciate you bringing all of this to our attention.

00:32:51.540 Please come back soon.

00:32:53.300 I appreciate it.

00:32:54.700 John Gentry.

00:32:55.460 And the book is neutering the CIA.

00:32:58.620 Thanks, John Gentry.

00:32:59.460 And thanks, everybody, for being with us.

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The Great America Show - January 09, 2024

BEWARE THE CIA

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