The Great America Show - BIDEN NOT BIG ON BOUNDARIES

00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Great America podcast with Lou Dobbs, always in the fight for

00:00:05.580 truth, justice, and yes, our American way of life. And now here he is, the Peabody award-winning

00:00:11.740 voice of truth, the great Lou Dobbs. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the Great

00:00:17.320 America show. The 2021 November elections produced, as you probably noticed, a seismic

00:00:23.500 shock to the Democratic Party in the sway of the Marxist left, the Biden White House,

00:00:29.100 and radical Dems on Capitol Hill, who unleashed a campaign to seize control of public education

00:00:36.180 and, in effect, prepare the way forward for the federal government, those wonderful teachers

00:00:42.380 unions, and yes, the Marxist left, to control the education of all students and push aside

00:00:49.220 parents, their rights, push aside local school boards and local communities to determine who

00:00:56.220 will be teaching our children and what they will be taught. Virginia's gubernatorial Democratic

00:01:02.600 candidate, Terry McAuliffe, actually told Virginia voters before the election that their schools had

00:01:08.680 too many white teachers, that he didn't believe parents should actually be telling schools what they

00:01:15.200 should teach and how. And in choosing governor-elect Glenn Youngkin, they announced what will likely be

00:01:23.180 a nationwide rollback of critical race theory and the effort to replace parents with the state.

00:01:31.180 Joining us now to take up the role of CRT and the role of the Marxist left and their efforts to

00:01:38.180 indoctrinate our students. We're joined by an outstanding journalist who's been amongst the leaders in

00:01:43.840 reporting the impact of CRT, whether in schools or business or in government. Christopher Ruffo.

00:01:52.840 Chris, great to have you with us. Is CRT now being pushed not only through some government agencies,

00:01:58.580 but public education? And who is winning this battle over CRT?

00:02:05.020 Yeah, absolutely. It's something that, while it originated in law schools, has now filtered down

00:02:11.640 to K-12 schools. And as I've reported throughout this year, dozens of different stories where

00:02:18.840 these really horrible principles of race essentialism, a collective guilt, dividing students

00:02:25.380 into categories of oppressor and oppressed based on their skin color, is now becoming more and more

00:02:33.400 common, not only in big blue city districts like in San Francisco and New York and Seattle,

00:02:41.140 but in places you wouldn't expect, in the American heartland and red states, because it's become the

00:02:47.600 default ideology of so many of our public institutions. And while I would like to think that the tide has

00:02:54.920 turned in the last year, we're facing some serious uphill battle because it's become extremely entrenched

00:03:02.920 and they have billions of dollars in public funding to play with the ideology and the curriculum

00:03:09.420 in so many of our schools.

00:03:11.660 When you say the money to play, what do you mean play? Because the parents listening to us,

00:03:19.220 grandparents, and I hope a lot of students as well, are understandably confused about all of the

00:03:27.340 terminology about who is behind this wave of energy, behind what is a Marxist philosophy, clearly

00:03:37.000 being pushed by, once we thought they were neoliberals, but it looks like they're old-time

00:03:42.560 Marxists working very hard to take down our traditional institutions and values.

00:03:49.720 Well, you have to really start at the beginning, is what are the origins of critical race theory and

00:03:54.940 how does it move through our institutions? And it's a really kind of ironic twist. You have a

00:04:01.020 revolutionary ideology that is actually publicly subsidized and publicly financed. It began in the

00:04:08.160 universities, the big state schools, which are publicly funded, as well as the elite private schools,

00:04:13.800 which are publicly subsidized to the tune of billions of dollars a year. And then this philosophy

00:04:20.320 emerges in the late 1980s and early 1990s, and then it finds places and new institutions to colonize.

00:04:27.340 And it's most successfully moved from law schools to the university system, to graduate schools of

00:04:33.680 education, and now to K-12 schools and departments of so-called diversity, equity, and inclusion that

00:04:40.280 have become cemented in the bureaucracies in most school districts and many state agencies.

00:04:46.060 And so what you have is an ideology that is a creature of taxpayer money. It lives through

00:04:53.200 taxpayer subsidies and then extends itself through the organs of state bureaucracies,

00:04:58.580 where it's unaccountable to the market, and it's increasingly unaccountable to voters who in many

00:05:03.680 cases don't approve these things directly. There's just part of this endless creep of bureaucratic

00:05:09.760 authority that always cements its own power first and foremost. And so what you have is a ideology

00:05:17.380 emerging from universities that is now provides two things to the public school systems. One, it provides

00:05:23.200 a sense of purpose that is much easier than the traditional goals of education to get people

00:05:31.320 through basic literacy and then basic preparation for citizenship, which for decades, our schools,

00:05:37.340 especially in the big inner cities, have failed to do. And so this provides them an alternate

00:05:42.460 framework that isn't based on merit or academic excellence or accomplishment or even basic

00:05:47.640 literacy. It's based on politics. And then it also serves to shift the blame elsewhere. You have these

00:05:55.100 bloated public school bureaucracies that in some cases fail to educate in basic reading, writing, and math

00:06:02.260 more than 80% of their students in a place like Philadelphia or Buffalo. They adopt this ideology

00:06:07.920 to excuse their own failures to educate and shift the blame to abstract forces like systemic racism.

00:06:15.260 And so that's the territory that we have now. That's what's happening. We have the ideology

00:06:20.340 entrenched in its power through bureaucracy. We're exposing it. We've done a great job at doing that.

00:06:26.200 But we need to take the next step and show how parents can push back against it in local school

00:06:32.040 districts and at the state level. You know, it's interesting to me, Chris, that what we have not

00:06:36.820 heard, we've heard a great deal from the Biden administration, from the government, from our

00:06:43.320 federal government in particular. But it's also, as you say straight out, it's also now a creature of our

00:06:49.920 public education system at the local level. The administrative state, in all its levels of

00:06:57.080 bureaucracy, has really taken hold of this and is a force that is financed by the very people

00:07:05.020 who are right now passive victims to this onslaught of Marxist ideology, critical race theory,

00:07:14.180 and the absolute despicable attack on cherished American values, and all of the premises by which

00:07:26.140 this great country, whether it be through immigration and assimilation, a melting pot, whether it be through

00:07:33.840 a middle class that was born of hard work and, and without question, great opportunity that's being now

00:07:43.080 denied the very people who were taking on the chore of delivering an entirely different political and

00:07:50.940 economic system. That's right. You have at the basis of this ideology, a complete and explicit

00:07:58.780 rejection of the founding principles of the country. They say that the declaration was a document of

00:08:07.860 hypocrisy that preached equality, but, but was designed to distract from exploitation. And you even have

00:08:16.700 then a critique, a very strong critique from the critical race theorists about the 14th amendment, which

00:08:23.100 after the civil war guaranteed equality under the law to each individual citizen, which they reject as a

00:08:31.560 kind of race neutral oppression in itself, uh, that, that sought to not provide equality, but to enshrine

00:08:39.300 inequality. And even the civil rights act of 1964, which traditionally liberals have held, uh, to be a mark, uh, of progress

00:08:48.140 towards, uh, uh, a system of codified law that, that stops racial discrimination. Um, the critical race theorists

00:08:58.220 reject, uh, uh, uh, uh, as a false, uh, or fake, uh, or camouflage, uh, that enables white supremacy and

00:09:06.180 oppression, which they argue is just as bad now in 2021, uh, as it was in 1921 or 1821. They believe that

00:09:15.880 racism is the essence of this country, that it's unchanging, that it's, uh, dominant across every

00:09:22.800 institution and therefore their program, uh, which they don't always admit in such stark terms, but

00:09:29.000 it's there in the literature that they've created over the last three decades, uh, is to, uh, eliminate,

00:09:34.780 uh, or abolish all of the systems from the constitution, uh, to our economic system of capitalism,

00:09:41.820 to the legal system that guarantees individual rights in favor of a collectivist, uh, in a race-based

00:09:49.320 form, uh, of, of, of neo-Marxism. Uh, this is the goal, and they believe that the strategy to

00:09:55.760 achieving it is to soften the consciousness of the public through the education system, uh, softening

00:10:02.740 the minds of young people, uh, to this revolutionary ideology so that when they become of age, they're

00:10:08.240 thoroughly, uh, uh, jaded and, and, and desperate and willing to topple the system, uh, at the root,

00:10:16.940 uh, at the level of its deepest foundations. And the parents themselves, uh, are, are being criminalized

00:10:25.140 for their concerns and fears about how their children are being taught and what they're being

00:10:30.500 taught about what is an assault on their minds. Uh, you talk about the effort by these, uh, Marxists,

00:10:38.280 uh, these, uh, these, uh, CRT advocates, uh, to soften the minds of our children. Uh, it's really

00:10:45.520 as well, desensitizing their minds and turning them from, from objective education and, uh, to

00:10:55.820 something of indoctrination, uh, radicalization and social activism at some level, uh, even on a

00:11:04.980 sixth grade class. It's, it's, it's really stunning stuff and they're getting away with it. Uh, take

00:11:11.860 note that the justice department, the attorney general saying that there will be investigations

00:11:16.840 of parents who threaten school boards, quote unquote, threatened there. I haven't seen a single,

00:11:23.640 uh, substantial, uh, evidence of a actual threat against a school board, a physical threat,

00:11:30.160 uh, being carried out, let alone, uh, being, uh, articulated, uh, in a credible way. Uh, have you?

00:11:38.680 Well, I've looked through the documents from the national school boards association and the

00:11:44.500 department of justice. And there was one incident in Illinois of a, uh, someone attending a school

00:11:51.460 board meeting, getting into a scuffle, uh, and then committing a simple battery, uh, in this process

00:11:57.320 of being, uh, taken out of the, of the room. And we should condemn this. There should be no violence

00:12:03.660 of any kind at school board meetings within our institutions. Um, but this is one example from

00:12:09.700 14,000 school districts that have had tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of school

00:12:15.940 board meetings, uh, this year. It doesn't in any way represent a threat of domestic terrorism or a

00:12:22.320 widespread threat of violence, uh, at the school boards. Uh, it's being used rather as a pretext

00:12:28.960 to suppress parents, to silence dissent, uh, and to really push forward this idea that was even

00:12:36.900 published recently in the Washington post. Parents do not have a right to guide their kids' education

00:12:42.660 in the public school system. They're out and out saying it now, uh, that they believe that parents

00:12:47.940 are an impediment to the total control by bureaucrats. And this unfortunately isn't anything

00:12:54.380 new. They may be saying it out loud right now. Uh, but this has been a theme in, uh, Marxist literature

00:13:00.780 dating back 150 years. They see the nuclear family, uh, they see, uh, uh, uh, fatherhood. Um, they see

00:13:09.260 the, the structure of, of, of the family itself as an impediment to their ideology, as an impediment to

00:13:17.020 their revolution. And so it's by no surprise that they believe that the state through the public

00:13:23.100 schools should be the primary shaping factor, uh, in a child's development. And that's where the fight

00:13:30.240 is because thankfully American parents are standing up and they're saying, uh, we reject this. Uh, we are

00:13:35.980 the ultimate authority over our children's, uh, development. Uh, and we do not accept this

00:13:41.720 extraordinary overreach, uh, uh, and indoctrination by a state entity that we no longer trust. And we

00:13:49.600 no longer believe is serving the best interests of our kids. To me, it's, it's interesting, Chris,

00:13:55.940 that local school boards are elected. Uh, they represent the community and they are being shunned

00:14:04.460 by the school bureaucracy. Uh, that is the superintendents, the, uh, principals, the

00:14:11.980 administrative staff, as well as the two powerful teachers unions, uh, the Federation of Teachers

00:14:18.500 and the NEA. And they're getting away with it again with public, public taxpayer dollars driving

00:14:27.420 the entire operation. Uh, how does a community reclaim the power that is theirs under the constitution

00:14:38.140 under law in this country to say, parents will by God be given their due and will be deciding what

00:14:48.960 their children are taught and will be deciding who is doing the teaching. It's a question of, uh,

00:14:56.620 organization. And thankfully we've had some shining examples in recent months that show us

00:15:03.300 exactly the path forward for parents, uh, to reclaim, uh, authority over the public schools and then,

00:15:11.160 uh, reestablish accountability within these organizations and parents from California to New

00:15:18.160 York state, uh, to the state of Texas have organized at the grassroots level, have come together with

00:15:23.880 even a small group, five, 10, 20, a hundred people, uh, showed up at school board meetings,

00:15:29.440 let their positions be known, uh, demanding change and accountability. And if, when that's not been

00:15:36.040 delivered, uh, they've successfully, for example, in Westchester County, uh, toppled the stupid

00:15:41.660 superintendent, uh, actually advocated for, uh, removal of superintendents and achieved it.

00:15:48.360 Or in Texas, parents who have never been politically active had said, uh, you know what? Enough is

00:15:53.780 enough. We're running for school board. They overthrew the existing school board leadership. They're now

00:15:59.000 reforming those institutions. So it's not just that, uh, that we have as citizens, uh, a right to guide

00:16:07.960 shape and, and control our public institutions. We actually have a duty to participate and the public

00:16:14.980 institutions will seek their own way and their own sovereignty and their own domination over the

00:16:20.620 public, unless the public spends a significant amount of energy engaging in the democratic process,

00:16:28.180 organizing at the school board level, running for office when it's necessary, and then making a very

00:16:33.860 clear line in the sand. If you transgress our, our values, if you abuse our kids, we will hold you

00:16:41.620 accountable. We'll remove you from office. And we will replace you with people who, uh, reflect the

00:16:47.680 virtues that we want to transmit through our institutions. And what I'm seeing now is a awakening

00:16:53.080 across the country of parents who are sick of the bureaucracy, deciding what happens to their kids.

00:16:59.080 And they're taking control of these systems, uh, reforming them for the good, uh, and letting, uh,

00:17:05.460 letting these, uh, bureaucrats know, uh, there is a line that you shall not cross or we will replace

00:17:13.060 you. And compounding the complexity of this, uh, this conflict is corporate America and the place

00:17:22.360 of business, which has traditionally been conservative, which has traditionally been behind the parents of

00:17:28.660 the community and the traditional values in our school systems and all of the other institutions.

00:17:34.360 But now suddenly business is moving left. Uh, it's confronted with corporate community

00:17:41.040 responsibilities, whether it be, uh, equity and, uh, inclusion and diversity, uh, whatever it may be,

00:17:49.300 they're having a lot of material that is Marxist, uh, shoved down their throats. The national

00:17:57.340 chamber of commerce, the business round table are in league through their HR departments, through their

00:18:04.240 lobbying efforts with the left on all of this political correctness, mandates, you name it.

00:18:11.980 They do not look anything like a conservative group of businesses anymore and companies. They look more

00:18:19.160 like left-wing organizations that just happen to be a, uh, an enterprise. Your thoughts?

00:18:25.400 Well, I think this is again, a question of organization. If you think about, uh, a CEO of

00:18:32.560 a fortune 100 company, they get a lot of pressure from the media and from activists on the left,

00:18:38.120 uh, to do their bidding, to follow the orthodoxies of, of political correctness or identity politics.

00:18:44.780 And they don't have a similar pressure from the right, but we know, and even through some of my

00:18:49.600 own reporting on these companies, we know that when we exert a countervailing pressure,

00:18:54.820 we can have influence. Uh, I reported on a egregious, uh, so-called anti-racism program at Disney,

00:19:01.960 uh, that taught employees that America was fundamentally racist and that they should atone

00:19:06.820 for their internalized racial guilt. Uh, within 72 hours, the company, uh, nuked the program from

00:19:13.980 their internal servers completely. Um, I reported on American express, uh, and forced the CEO of the

00:19:21.520 company to be personally responding to emails for a few days, uh, defending the policy from angry

00:19:27.340 customers. So we know even through this small example, I can only do so much within my own individual

00:19:33.240 power, but we know that if we can replicate this on a bigger scale, conservatives can, uh, can leverage,

00:19:39.220 uh, their voice can leverage their dollars can leverage their, uh, their power, uh, to provide

00:19:45.300 a counterbalancing force. And, and I think people, frankly, conservatives have rested on their laurels,

00:19:51.840 believing that business was always on their side. That's changed. Uh, and I think that we need to

00:19:56.960 readjust our strategy accordingly. Yeah. Complicating the matter, as I said, uh, corporate America,

00:20:03.240 America, uh, which has always been, if you will, uh, the critics would say in league, uh, with the

00:20:09.980 country club Republicans, or as I would call them rhinos, uh, Republicans in name only are trying to

00:20:17.780 create a, a new image of themselves going into the 22 elections, that they're the party of working men

00:20:25.940 and women, uh, as Donald Trump, president Trump, uh, uh, led them forward to victory in 2016.

00:20:34.500 But the truth of the matter is that Republicans in name only the establishment Republican party

00:20:41.300 is in league with the same corporations, the same mindsets, and the same administrative state

00:20:48.820 or deep state in most cases, uh, that are creating these, uh, these issues, these conflicts, uh, and

00:20:57.340 not only financing, but in some cases, uh, enabling the assault on fundamental values and the fundamental

00:21:05.960 way of life in this country. It is, I mean, it is an absolutely, uh, uphill battle. We're up against

00:21:13.740 the most powerful institutions, uh, in the country that seem to be working together and playing from

00:21:19.940 the same playbook. Uh, but ultimately we have to be optimistic because the vast mass of the American

00:21:27.420 people, uh, still believes in the country. Uh, they still believe in our, uh, possibility, uh, and they

00:21:34.680 still believe in those principles of, uh, strong families of, uh, uh, uh, citizen control of public

00:21:42.180 institutions, uh, and a continuing unfolding of our national story towards those great principles

00:21:49.020 of freedom and equality. And so we have to appeal to and mobilize this great base of the American

00:21:56.340 people. And ultimately I'm confident because, uh, we've seen even in the last year, some major

00:22:03.020 changes because even though we're up against institutions of great power, uh, the truth that we have,

00:22:10.080 the truth that we've exposed, uh, can topple, uh, these paper tigers that rule the bureaucracies

00:22:17.260 throughout our country. Uh, and I know that if enough of us, even a small band of us, uh, can come

00:22:23.260 together, we can speak the truth, uh, we can remain, uh, fearless in the face of power. Um, we can topple

00:22:30.600 them, uh, we can restore power back to the American citizen, uh, and we can tame, uh, these, these,

00:22:37.380 these tyrannical bureaucratic authorities, uh, that threaten the American way of life.

00:22:42.980 And like you, I'm an optimist. I know we can do this. And when I say we, I'm talking about the

00:22:48.600 American people, working men and women and their families, small business people can take control

00:22:56.800 of their communities and, and, and eliminate, uh, this assault, uh, I think absolutely, uh, rid it,

00:23:05.360 not just simply push it back, but destroy it. And that's really, that is really the, the mission

00:23:12.320 before us. Encouragingly, a recent poll, uh, showed that three quarters, almost three quarters

00:23:20.120 of parents surveyed are very concerned and disturbed by what is being taught in their

00:23:27.040 children's, uh, schools. And I, I haven't seen a more encouraging poll on this issue, uh, in the

00:23:35.000 last decade. And that I think should give everyone great, uh, great hope and, and considerable

00:23:42.460 excitement to join the fight and to be certain, uh, for your children, your grandchildren, uh, that

00:23:50.040 we win this fight. That's right. And we were seeing this, uh, these new numbers coming in. I mean,

00:23:56.080 people really care. And I think, you know, it's one thing for the public to see, uh, some identity

00:24:03.120 politics nonsense at the university or the federal government. Uh, it, you can shake that off. It

00:24:09.460 doesn't affect you directly, but once people have woken up to the fact that the state bureaucracies and

00:24:17.860 the critical race ideologues are actually going after your kids are going after the most vulnerable

00:24:25.240 and impressionable members of our society, uh, they crossed a line that is, uh, sacred to, uh, almost

00:24:33.220 everyone in this country. You're trying to separate or create a wedge between parent and child.

00:24:39.120 That's why we're seeing these numbers. That's why we're seeing people, uh, awakening. Uh, that's why

00:24:44.780 we're seeing people who have previously been apathetic or disengaged starting to participate

00:24:50.280 in the political process. And I'm confident that this is just the beginning. Uh, we've opened up a

00:24:56.320 new domain for, uh, politics. We've opened up, uh, the eyes of millions of people. Uh, and as they get

00:25:04.880 engaged this year and next year, I think we're going to see tremendous changes. I'm optimistic. I'm

00:25:10.640 confident. Uh, and I'm hoping that this is only, uh, the beginning of a long process of, uh, restoring,

00:25:16.860 uh, the, the autonomy and sovereignty and authority of American families of all racial backgrounds,

00:25:24.720 of all political stripes against this cruel and, and dehumanizing, uh, state machine.

00:25:30.980 I've always believed Chris, that our public education system, I'm a product of public education,

00:25:36.640 uh, as is my wife, uh, and our children went to public schools. It is the great equalizer in our

00:25:46.300 society. I don't think there's a stronger force for equality in this country than public education.

00:25:54.120 It's given poor people an opportunity to demonstrate their talent and their ability,

00:25:58.960 uh, to be rewarded with opportunity for over 200 years and to watch what we are letting happen,

00:26:07.440 uh, to this great public education system is disgusting. Uh, and, and in some cases it's

00:26:14.740 because of overly powerful teachers union, the NAA or the Federation of Teachers, uh, also the

00:26:22.220 National School Board Association. It really works as a proxy for both of those left-wing

00:26:28.560 teachers unions, uh, teachers unions too often against the school board, uh, in lobbying and

00:26:35.480 in representing, uh, the issues, uh, on Capitol Hill. We have to be very, very sophisticated and

00:26:43.760 understand, uh, who the, who the enemies are in this fight and make certain that we bring them to

00:26:50.420 heal. Uh, you get the last word here, Chris. I think you're absolutely right. What we're seeing in

00:26:55.860 our country is, uh, many institutions that have been corrupted. I think teachers unions, uh, at the

00:27:02.400 highest position among them and conservatives need to be exactly that sophisticated in how we

00:27:09.080 fight, uh, sophisticated in our language that we use to fight, uh, and sophisticated in our strategies

00:27:14.780 to, uh, undermine and, and disrupt the power of these institutions that aren't serving the public

00:27:21.160 good. Uh, I think we go straight for the teachers unions, uh, which create a cycle of corruption,

00:27:27.140 uh, which don't put students and families first. Uh, and we start there and we've already seen

00:27:32.400 encouraging signs. We've actually shattered the National School Boards Association in recent months.

00:27:37.240 Uh, we now have divided their state from their national organizations. We have state organizations

00:27:42.780 that have denounced the national headquarters, entire states that have separated from the national

00:27:47.740 organization. Uh, it's splintering because we put the spotlight on them. We've exposed their corruption

00:27:53.000 and we've hammered at them every day. Uh, and so this is a model going forward, uh, in this great,

00:27:59.620 uh, fight, this great quest, uh, to bring the teachers unions to heal and eventually abolish them

00:28:05.460 from American life. And to win this fight, we're very fortunate to have Chris, uh, Chris Rufo in the fight.

00:28:12.560 He's been leading the fight, uh, for years and, uh, we owe you a great, uh, a great debt of gratitude.

00:28:19.060 And as always, Chris, great talking with you. I hope you'll come back soon. And again, thanks for

00:28:25.120 all you're doing for the American people and the American way. Chris Rufo. No one is more keenly aware

00:28:33.540 of the challenges this nation faces as a result of the Biden runaway immigration policies in the Biden

00:28:40.200 wide open border than Mark Morgan. Mark was the director of immigration and border enforcement

00:28:46.580 in the department of Homeland security in the Trump administration. Mark is a lawyer. He served in the

00:28:52.460 Marine Corps reserves, worked in law enforcement, had a distinguished career in the federal Bureau of

00:28:57.740 investigation, and is currently a fellow at the Davis Institute for national security and foreign

00:29:04.800 policy at the heritage foundation. Mark. Great to have you with us. Uh, let's start with the,

00:29:11.680 in this record level of, uh, illegal immigrants being, uh, crossing our border, uh, the largest

00:29:19.300 number since the amnesty of 1986. How could this be? How could we see once again, a return to open

00:29:28.100 borders? Well, Lou, first of all, actually, I think it's numbers that are worse, uh, past 1986.

00:29:34.440 I think we're on track right now, 1.9 million total encounters. My records reflect that's the

00:29:40.340 highest number on history. And look, it's clear why we're here. This administration with a stroke

00:29:44.980 of a political pen dismantled every effective tool, authority, and policy we have opened our borders

00:29:50.320 and sent a clear message to the migrants and smugglers. Our borders were in fact wide open and

00:29:55.100 they took up on it. And that's why we've seen, uh, the numbers we have. And what it's, it's not just

00:30:00.540 about how many were apprehended. Let's talk about 400,000 Godways. Let's talk about of those that

00:30:05.380 have been apprehended. 600,000 have been released into the interior United States. This is a

00:30:10.520 catastrophe impacting every aspect of our public safety, health, and national security.

00:30:16.160 It's being released. Just simply let go, uh, to do as they please within American society,

00:30:23.660 without any oversight, without any accountability, without any restriction whatsoever. Right?

00:30:30.300 That's exactly, Lou, you're absolutely correct. I couldn't have said it better myself. And in fact,

00:30:34.880 it's even worse than that. And I mean, so we know that they, they stopped the Remain in Mexico

00:30:39.240 program. So they reinstituted catch and release. So as you described, it's exactly what's happening.

00:30:44.000 It's worse. And then they get rewarded because on the backend, this secretary of Mayorkas,

00:30:48.840 he's actually, I mean, he's systematic dismantled ICE and reduced their ability for interior

00:30:54.000 enforcement by 90%. So even if you're here illegally, that's not enough to remove you. If you have a

00:30:59.180 court order, uh, removal from a judge, not enough to remove you according to this secretary. It's

00:31:04.920 absolutely insane what's happening. And as the secretary of Homeland Security, he is, he was put

00:31:13.780 through without a problem. There wasn't such, there wasn't anyone seemingly whether Republican or

00:31:19.020 Democrat, uh, conservative or liberal taking note of the fact that Mayorkas is one of the most, uh,

00:31:26.180 influential, uh, and hyper act activists, uh, and to advance, uh, amnesty for illegal immigrants

00:31:35.280 and for open borders. And there wasn't even a hesitation in his nomination process.

00:31:41.920 Yeah, that's right. And I gotta tell you, Lou, I, I have to be honest, I was fooled to some extent as

00:31:46.560 well. You know, I was chief of the board patrol when he was the deputy secretary of a DHS and the

00:31:53.100 man that, that we see before us now as the secretary, I don't know who this man is. Um, the, the man that,

00:31:59.220 that I, I knew before was at least someone that I did not agree with his policies, but I did not think

00:32:05.480 that he was a dishonest and would intentionally, uh, align, mislead the American people to advance a,

00:32:11.580 a socialistic democratic agenda, but that's what we have in this secretary right now.

00:32:16.340 Uh, you and I talk, you know, Del Rio as, as, as thousands and thousands are going back and forth

00:32:21.520 to the shared borders at will. The secretary was doubling down and the borders are closed. It's an

00:32:25.980 absolute lie. He knows it's a lie. And the American people know he's lying.

00:32:30.440 And the national news media, of course, uh, is doing what they've always done,

00:32:34.580 which is ignore the reality of the impact of illegal immigration and to ignore the, uh, hundreds of

00:32:42.620 thousands of illegal immigrants crossing into the United States, as you say, uh, perhaps as high as

00:32:49.060 2 million illegal immigrants, uh, in this country, uh, in fiscal, uh, 2021. Yeah. Again, you're

00:32:58.420 absolutely correct. I mean, look, uh, until Del Rio and don't get wrong. I don't wish Del Rio would

00:33:04.340 have happened. I mean, we actually saw what looked like a third world country under that bridge in

00:33:09.060 our country. It was horrendous and it was horrific, but it had not been for that the mainstream media

00:33:14.600 up until that there was basically zero coverage as we were seeing 200,000 plus every 30 days illegally

00:33:21.960 entering this board, uh, uh, this, the, our borders, every single tool dismantled, the wall stopped

00:33:27.120 being built, Indian catch and release and flying migrants, all of the United States in the cover of

00:33:32.000 darkness. The media doesn't mention a word about that until Del Rio. It is when they finally had to

00:33:37.660 mention it, when they, when they finally had to realize that it's a catastrophe that's happened in

00:33:42.340 our borders. Well, Mark, let's, let's just examine a few things. Uh, and let's start with something that

00:33:49.940 the national left-wing media will not cover and the corporate, uh, the corpocracy of this country will

00:33:57.860 not, uh, get involved in. How many illegal immigrants actually are in the United States?

00:34:06.040 Yeah. So that, that, that's a varying number. I I've heard the number 14 million used a lot,

00:34:11.660 but Lou, you and I know they've been using that number for about two decades, right? So I, I think the

00:34:17.740 number is way higher than that. Uh, there have been, you know, some, some analysis has said it's

00:34:22.280 in excess of 20 million that are here in this country illegally. And what I know is this

00:34:27.280 administration in just the past nine months have had, uh, you know, either intentionally or because

00:34:32.700 of the open borders added another million, uh, to that. And that's just sort of a border and that's

00:34:37.360 not counting, uh, overstays of visas. I mean, it's, it's absolutely horrific. And we just heard the story

00:34:43.360 of a, uh, a visa overstay that's been charged with, uh, uh, a rape on a subway. It's just unbelievable.

00:34:50.420 It's also to me, unbelievable that still the United States government does not report honestly,

00:34:58.860 the numbers of illegal immigrants in this country, the commerce department doesn't do it for business.

00:35:05.300 Uh, business, uh, is absolutely part of the problem. A complicit actor working with the left,

00:35:13.420 uh, with, uh, actually, uh, foreign organizations and governments to bring in illegal immigrant labor

00:35:21.440 and the American people, the American taxpayer, a working man and woman and his family haven't got

00:35:29.540 a chance because no one is representing them on the issue, irrespective of the damage that's done to

00:35:36.220 the economy. And estimates on that run to $116 billion. That's huge. And that's an outrage.

00:35:47.200 And yet you can't get the Republican party or the democratic party, certainly to even focus on the

00:35:53.320 reality. Yeah. Again, I think that's spot on. Look, if, if, if they really wanted to,

00:35:59.120 they would be able to find out exactly how many illegal aliens in this country completely agree.

00:36:03.500 And you, I talked over the years multiple times, look, is, is, is horrible as the democratic party

00:36:10.200 is right now with, with, uh, border security, illegal immigration. It's not solely the Democrats

00:36:15.540 fault. This is a Republican and Democrat issue. Look under Trump administration, the Republicans have

00:36:20.360 the house, uh, the Senate and the white house for two years, and they failed to pass a single piece

00:36:25.840 of meaningful legislation. And Lou, had they done so, had they done so, we would not be in this

00:36:31.700 position right now, where through DHS policy and executive orders, we've devastated our border and

00:36:37.180 made our country less safe because of it. So this is a Republican failure as well.

00:36:41.520 Without question. And I, it's interesting the way the media is covering this issue. Uh, the New York

00:36:49.260 Times, uh, with a huge article, uh, reporting, quote, Trump's Pentagon chief quashed idea to send 250,000

00:37:00.120 troops to the border. This was a major, major, uh, report in the New York Times, uh, in which they

00:37:07.700 referred to top national security aides to President Trump talking out of launching military raids against

00:37:14.000 drug cartels inside Mexico. There isn't a single discussion in this of the economic impact,

00:37:21.020 the reality. It's a mocking and sneering report, uh, uh, obviously about, uh, the, the top echelons of

00:37:30.300 the, of the Trump administration. And they, they knocked down their own report three pages into that

00:37:38.100 report, uh, when they acknowledge, uh, at least, uh, Chad Wolf, the former acting head of, uh, uh,

00:37:45.120 Homeland security says, I never saw any numbers approaching that. It never rose to his level.

00:37:51.260 So he knocked down the entire story and yet they, they pushed this stuff out.

00:37:57.080 Yeah, that's exactly right. Look, as CBP, I, if, if there would have been a specific number of military

00:38:02.960 personnel, for example, requested, um, I, I would have known about it because that would have come from me

00:38:08.040 on my signature and there was no such formal request that was put forward. Look, I don't want

00:38:14.300 to go too, uh, uh, in depth into specific conversations, but I mean, look, it's just

00:38:19.040 common sense that of course we were having conversations about what we could do and needed

00:38:23.420 to do to gain operational control all along all 2000 miles. So were we engaged with the military

00:38:29.700 on that? Of course we were. We already had thousands of military, both national guard and reserves that

00:38:34.560 were there helping us out. And we were continuing to have discussions on what else we needed.

00:38:38.680 What I can tell, and I'm comfortable saying is there was absolutely resistance at the Pentagon,

00:38:43.680 uh, by some key individuals, uh, with respect to, uh, deploying any more military personnel to the

00:38:49.840 border, which I just found, uh, um, just truly remarkable knowing how it was impacted every aspect

00:38:55.960 of our public health, safety, national security. When you have a, and the chairman of the joint

00:39:01.160 chiefs of staff who's willing to call the communist, uh, uh, uh, Chinese to tell them that the president

00:39:06.840 would be concerning or an attack on them, uh, you've just about gone the whole distance, haven't you?

00:39:13.840 I, I, I, that's more than resistance. That is, that rises to the level of treason for crying out loud.

00:39:21.280 Uh, and the idea, the arrogance of a guy like a general Milley, uh, to do such a thing and saying

00:39:29.040 he would do it again, uh, is it's stunning because the reality is for a period of time,

00:39:36.060 we did not have civilian control of our military, a direct violation of everything the country stands

00:39:43.940 for and our constitution. Yeah. Lou, I'll tell you what, what I found troubling was some of the

00:39:50.120 resistance that, you know, I experienced, uh, uh, like, like so much of where the democratic party

00:39:56.040 is, even the resistance from the military, it defied, uh, the reality and truth on the ground

00:40:01.380 and, and the importance of having borders. Um, I, I was astounded by, we would present certain facts

00:40:07.420 and I still had, um, that resistance coming forward. And I really believed that at the end of the day,

00:40:12.800 it wasn't vast based on fact and reality was based on ideological, uh, positions. And I found that

00:40:18.640 troubling. I I'm just stunned and I've covered this issue for many, many years, but to see what has

00:40:26.440 happened in the Biden administration is just stunning because he's doing exactly what president

00:40:32.280 Trump warned he would do. Uh, and that is absolutely nothing to preserve the integrity, the security of

00:40:39.120 our borders and to shut down illegal immigration. We, we learn right now, uh, that, uh, another caravan

00:40:47.760 is being put together in Mexico to come on up and no one will stop it. No one.

00:40:55.060 Yep. Yeah. Lou, you remember you, you and I were talking, you know, last year in 2020, uh, well before

00:41:02.160 the election. And, you know, I, I remember I was on your show and I remember distinctly us talking

00:41:06.400 about where I said, Hey, look, um, there's no doubt if, if, if the Biden administration does what

00:41:11.980 they're saying they're going to be doing during the campaign, you're going to see a catastrophe

00:41:16.580 happen along our Southwest border. That makes what we experienced in 2019 pale in comparison

00:41:21.520 fast forward. And that's exactly what they've done. And it was, some have said, Hey, uh, you know,

00:41:26.240 they don't know what they're doing. They don't have a plan or strategy. I completely disagree.

00:41:29.860 They're actually executing their strategy. It's exactly what they want. They want to have open

00:41:34.460 borders. They see a perceived political benefit. They believe that every illegal alien, they find a

00:41:38.840 pathway to citizenship is going to equate to a democratic vote. This is about America last

00:41:43.280 and the democratic party. First look, as, as we're experiencing the worst illegal immigration

00:41:48.880 crisis in our nation's history, they're trying to jam through mass amnesty through the reconciliation,

00:41:55.220 through the parliamentary process, which they know is against policy. And I believe unconstitutional.

00:42:00.800 So you're right. Your word is right. It is stunning.

00:42:04.820 The Mark, the former president Barack Obama, speaking of stunning, actually came out and said

00:42:12.300 that the current Biden border policies and immigration policies, such as they are simply

00:42:18.820 are not sustainable. This is president Obama, who was a, an open borders amnesty president himself.

00:42:26.120 And he is saying that this president has gone too far, has done too little to preserve the integrity

00:42:33.560 of the nation, the security of the American people. And if we've reached the point where Barack Obama

00:42:39.800 has to acknowledge that reality and warn, warn Democrats of that, uh, reality, we really have

00:42:48.220 reached a new level.

00:42:49.960 Lou, I couldn't agree more. And, and I'll, I'll even add to that. I completely agree is, is the former

00:42:56.460 secretary of, of, uh, uh, Homeland security under president Obama, Jay Johnson came out and basically

00:43:02.460 said the same thing. That's unsustainable. It's absolutely right. And I think this dovetails in,

00:43:07.480 there's a large swath of America now that is like, okay, enough is enough. The Democrats

00:43:12.620 overplay their hand again and again and again. And I think what they did in Afghanistan at the

00:43:18.180 same time, we were seeing what was happening in Del Rio. I think the American people have,

00:43:22.040 have really woken up and said, no, this, this is, this is insane. Enough is enough. And I think

00:43:28.220 they finally realized that secretary Mayorkas is lying to them. Everything that comes out of that

00:43:33.140 man's mouth about border security and illegal immigration is a lie. He's standing there as

00:43:37.860 30,000 Haitians come across the border at will unimpeded. And he says, the borders are closed

00:43:42.600 along with 400,000 illegal aliens have broken in and gotten past and invaded apprehension. It's,

00:43:48.720 he's just lying to the American people.

00:43:51.280 And as we look at the numbers that go beyond illegal immigration is if they're not bad enough,

00:43:57.700 uh, drug overdoses, whether it be fentanyl, whether it be, uh, cocaine or heroin have skyrocketed as a

00:44:06.660 result of the drug traffic across that Southern border. And the American people aren't even being

00:44:12.180 told what's happening and how dreadful that, that tragedy really is. We are losing, uh, a million

00:44:20.480 young people, uh, every few years because of the cartel drug traffic, the, the international cartels

00:44:29.660 that are bringing fentanyl from China. Uh, you know, we've, we've watched, uh, as a result of the

00:44:36.160 pandemic, we've watched more than 700,000 Americans be killed. Uh, we have almost a hundred thousand

00:44:43.460 killed by fentanyl, uh, overdoses alone. The Chinese are targeting American lives and this

00:44:51.000 government isn't responding in any way. Your thoughts. This is why I love talking to you,

00:44:56.800 Lou, cause you know, this, uh, uh, these issues. Well, that's exactly right. That's why I keep

00:45:01.980 saying this isn't about illegal immigration. This is about border security of which illegal

00:45:06.260 immigration is a subset. When you open your borders though, up to one crisis or one threat,

00:45:10.720 you're opening your borders up to the vast complex set of threats. Like you just described

00:45:14.760 drugs pouring in this country. When you have 50% of your agents pull off the line, uh, really

00:45:20.280 giving up forcefully their national security role to be professional illegal alien facilitators in

00:45:25.940 this country, the border is wide open. Criminal aliens are pouring in. Gang members are pouring in

00:45:31.140 drugs are pouring in. And here's the key. It's not staying on the Southwest border. All those threats,

00:45:37.120 all those issues that come across our border are making their way to every town, city, and state.

00:45:41.680 And they're making their way to your neighborhood. I don't, whoever's listening here, if there's a

00:45:46.020 meth overdose in your city or in town, I guarantee the meth came from the Southwest border. We've got

00:45:50.840 to wake up. We've got to hold this administration responsible in 2022 matters. And as you said, uh,

00:45:57.300 in the, in the dead of night, the Biden administration, flying children, uh, illegal immigrants,

00:46:03.780 immigrants, children to cities, New York city in particular, most recently, uh, in the most recent

00:46:10.280 report, and this is going on across the country. What in the world, how, how is he getting away with

00:46:17.240 it? That's my question too. Look, I think one of the obvious answers is, I mean, the mainstream

00:46:22.620 media media today is just an extension of the democratic party. We know that, but look,

00:46:27.160 when you talk about those flights and this is common sense, first of all, because they're open

00:46:31.080 border policies and incentivizing by this fiscal year, 150,000 unaccompanied minors this year

00:46:38.080 have illegal entered the country. 150,000. And look, why are they flying in the dead of the

00:46:43.500 night? We know why, because there's no perceived political benefit. If they thought there was

00:46:47.440 a perceived political benefit, they'd be flying these kids in the middle of the day, broad daylight

00:46:51.640 and having ticker tape parade, but they know it's not. They know that it goes against what

00:46:56.160 they're trying to do. And that's cover up the magnitude of the crisis that they created

00:47:00.260 are, are, are a border. That's why it's being done the dead of night and secrecy.

00:47:04.560 The border patrolmen, uh, and women themselves, uh, what is, what is their, what is their attitude?

00:47:13.040 How do they feel? Uh, is there such a thing as morale and a group that is being so, uh, I would

00:47:20.540 think, uh, devastated, uh, by leadership that is saying you're irrelevant and the security of the

00:47:28.340 country is irrelevant. Yeah, Lou, they're, they're devastated. I mean, they, their own words, they

00:47:34.900 say, we have lost control of our border. I mean, you have a border to agents whose statutory mission

00:47:40.820 is to protect this country from threats facing us outside our borders. And they say, we've lost

00:47:44.900 control of the border and they're devastated. And it goes beyond that. I mean, look, we all know

00:47:49.180 about the issue with the horses in the range. I mean, they have their own secretary, including

00:47:53.480 the president of the United States, throw them under the bus, vilify them, accuse them of stuff

00:47:59.720 based, based on no facts, vilify them. I mean, ruin, tarnish their careers and their reputations.

00:48:06.440 Secretary Mayer, cause shame on him. He was a former prosecutor. He knows better. He, he acted as

00:48:11.800 judge, jury and executioner in the public without an ounce of due process to these men. And he threw

00:48:17.040 them under the bus as, as he's also put in harm's way to try to address and mitigate the catastrophe

00:48:22.360 that he created. It's horrific. And look, he, he's lost all their trust and respect as well. When he

00:48:28.060 keeps saying the borders are secure, Lou, you know, look, as law enforcement, it's so important that,

00:48:33.000 that, that, that, that the troops on the ground have trust and faith in the leaders. There is no

00:48:38.280 trust. There is no faith because they also know their secretary is lying to the American people about

00:48:42.660 what's going on. The American people are, have sent a very clear signal through the latest polling

00:48:48.660 showing that they absolutely do not respect this president, do not have any trust, as you put it,

00:48:56.040 or confidence in him. His approval ratings are absolutely upside down. Uh, you know, it's reaching

00:49:02.560 toward 20% upside down. That is more who disapprove of his performance than approve of it. This is,

00:49:12.460 is something that has happened in the course of, uh, really nine months, nine months of incompetence

00:49:18.640 and deceit, uh, and disregard for all of his, and I mean, all of his responsibilities as commander in

00:49:27.080 chief and president of the United States. Well, I completely agree. And this, I go back to what I

00:49:33.180 said before is that I think the reason why you're seeing the poll is there's a lot of buyer's remorse.

00:49:38.260 I think people are getting tired of, of, uh, what's going on and the fact that, that the progressive

00:49:43.680 left is taken over the party and they've overplayed their hand again and again and again. I think the

00:49:49.260 American people are, are getting more aware, more educated, and they're finally standing up saying

00:49:53.740 enough is enough. What should, what should we do to restore integrity in the security of our country

00:50:04.220 to, to shut down the illegal immigration drug and sex trafficking across that border

00:50:11.700 and take control of our, of our borders? Yeah, Lou, that's the question. And look,

00:50:18.080 everybody keeps saying 2022 matters, including me, and that's right. But, but that's not going to solve

00:50:23.180 all the problems, especially look, I don't have a high level of confidence that even if the Republicans

00:50:28.120 take back in the house and the Senate, that they're still going to get together and pass the

00:50:32.060 meaningful legislation. They've already proven failure in that once. And so I I'm still skeptical,

00:50:37.160 but at least, at least if we do get that back, we'll be able to slow things down. And so 2024

00:50:42.520 matters definitely who's in that white house. But in addition to that right now, immediately every day,

00:50:47.840 the States are our last line of defense. You've got States like Missouri and Texas and Florida,

00:50:53.400 they're stepping up. Missouri and Texas have filed multiple lawsuits and they're winning again and again

00:50:58.400 had it not been for Texas and Missouri, the remain in Mexico program would, would still be canceled.

00:51:04.420 But the court said, no, you have to reinstate the remain in Mexico program. So the States have to

00:51:10.980 continue to push back, file lawsuits and hold this administration accountable. There is success

00:51:17.300 that's happening with that. And I believe there's additional opportunities that the States can do

00:51:21.500 more. The States can do more. And what they're doing is taking up the, the responsibilities of

00:51:29.420 the federal government when it comes to immigration and border security. We're asking an awful lot of

00:51:36.300 Texas and all of the border States. And by the way, at the same time, one border state has, according to

00:51:43.660 the latest estimates, more than 6 million illegal immigrants in it alone. And I think the number

00:51:48.960 is at least twice that in the state of California, your thoughts.

00:51:53.680 No, I think you're absolutely right. I think the numbers are just astronomically higher than what's been

00:51:58.820 reported for a very long time. And look again, this, this, this is about border security first and

00:52:05.320 foremost, and what happens on a border doesn't stay there. I I've got to keep repeating that Lou, because

00:52:10.720 you know, a lot of Americans that are out there working hard, trying to put food on the table, pay their

00:52:14.840 mortgage. If they don't see it right in front of them, they don't think it's impacting their town or their

00:52:18.820 neighborhood. And I'm telling them it is the drugs are pouring in and your neighborhood come from

00:52:23.140 the Southwest border gangs in your city come from the Southwest border. 400,000 gotaways among them

00:52:29.100 are, are bad, bad people who that's the reality. And now the open border advocates are going to call

00:52:34.440 me a racist and, and jump down, uh, you know, my throat. Uh, but, but they're devoid of any truth

00:52:39.720 and reality. Uh, this year alone, border patrols operated 10,000 criminal aliens, including 53 convicted

00:52:45.500 murderers. Of course, among that 400,000 are dangerous, bad people making their way to every

00:52:50.300 town, city, and state. Every city and state in this country is dealing with the, the crushing fiscal

00:52:56.480 burden. Yes. The cost of educating and providing it for the care of these illegal immigrants. It is

00:53:03.980 also at the same time. And, and most people don't focus on this. Uh, our requirements are that we put

00:53:10.220 forward a, a, uh, a representative in Congress, uh, across all States based on population, not on

00:53:19.440 citizens, not account on citizens, but account on people who live within the state and the district.

00:53:24.680 And as a result, California is one of the most overrepresented States in the union because of the

00:53:31.820 huge number of illegal immigrants who live there and who are accepted and even encouraged to be there

00:53:39.200 the same as Illinois and other States across the country. You're, you're absolutely right. This is

00:53:44.780 one of those other long-term plans by democratic parties that increase in house seats because

00:53:49.640 illegal aliens are counted on the census. You're absolutely right, Lou. So it's that, uh, hopefully

00:53:56.000 a bump in house seats. Plus they believe every illegal alien, they find a pathway citizenship is going

00:54:01.600 to be a democratic vote. Again, this is about perpetual power for the democratic party. This is not about

00:54:06.820 what's in the best interest of this country. And look, I, I, there's no other conclusion. I've been

00:54:11.660 serving this country for 35 years, six administrations, both Republican and Democrat, and what they're

00:54:16.640 doing right now, absolute is nonsensical, irrational, and filled with hypocrisy. And it makes no other

00:54:22.700 sense than this is about the political power of the Democrats and not this country.

00:54:27.700 And definitely an assault on the fundamental values and everything this country stands for. Uh, it is a sad

00:54:35.160 and dangerous time. We thank you, uh, Mark, for being with us as always, uh, always, uh, we learned

00:54:41.900 something about these critical issues from you and you're a good friend and a great American. We

00:54:48.560 appreciate all of your work, hard work and sacrifice to serve the nation. You too, Lou. Thank you.

00:54:55.620 Join us again tomorrow for the great America podcast. Stay in the fight. Truth, justice,

00:55:00.580 justice, and the American way will prevail against all enemies, against all odds.

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