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Trump is hit with his fourth criminal indictment this week from Marxist DA Fannie Willis, joining in the orchestrated attacks on Trump by Manhattan District Attorney, AG Letitia James, and Special Counsel Jack Smith. Trump now faces over 700 years in prison if convicted of the 91 counts he is charged with.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to The Great America Show. Thanks for being with
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us. President Trump hit with his fourth criminal indictment this week from Marxist Fulton County
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DA Fannie Willis, joining in the orchestrated attacks on Trump by Manhattan District Attorney
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Alvin Bragg, New York's Attorney General Letitia James, Special Counsel Jack Smith, of course,
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and now District Attorney Willis. Four and a half months of orchestrated indictments by the
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Marxist-dim mob of prosecutors. Let's call this what it is. Prosecutorial misconduct,
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election interference, political persecution. Trump faces over 700 years in prison if he were
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to be convicted of the 91 counts he's charged with. Do you think there might be an opportunity here
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for the Supreme Court to step in and tell these lawfare thugs to stand down and to end their
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ignorance and vicious attacks on President Trump and our legal system? The grand jury in the Fulton
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County case only heard testimony for one day and then voted the same day to bring charges
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against President Trump. The county clerk posted and then deleted the final indictment,
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a clear violation of President Trump's rights. But who's concerned about those, right?
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Willis, who is running for re-election in 2024, has already begun her fundraising off the indictment,
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a move she was already reprimanded for by a judge just last year. These prosecutors are all low-life
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politicos. They're all disgusting. And so it goes. Legal scholar Alan Dershowitz says every lawyer should be
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trembling right now about these indictments because of the dangerous precedent it sets barring free
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speech, no longer allowing anyone to challenge an election. This changes the rules of the game. This
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basically says RICO is not just applicable to organized crime or to organized commercial crime with
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hierarchies, but it also applies to protests against election results. It's going to deter and chill
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people from bringing legitimate election results. Let's remember, we have a process, a law process
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for challenging elections. It involves alternate electives. It involves going to court. What this
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indictment basically says is if you do that, we're going to indict you. So you might as well go on the
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streets and protest and do what happens in banana republics. You know, on my podcast, The Dershow,
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I give out bananas. And until this indictment, I was up to two. I think I'm now up to four. This
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indictment is very, very dangerous, not only for what it says about Donald Trump, but what it says
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about future challenges to elections by lawyers. I think every lawyer who's an election lawyer should
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be trembling at the result of this. It basically says if you're wrong about the election, we're coming
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after you. And that's just not the way it should be. If you're wrong about the election, you lose.
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That's how America is supposed to operate. And Karen Pence, the wife of former Vice President Mike
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Pence, showing this week more courage than her husband. Karen sat down for an interview with ABC
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News and was asked about January 6th and her safety that day. At what point did you realize my family
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could be in danger? Well, the Secret Service are phenomenal men and women, and they made it clear
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to us right away that, you know, there might be a point where we would need to move to a different
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location. So that was pretty clear to us from the very beginning, because they had come and gotten us
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out of the Senate chambers and taken us back to Mike's office in the Senate. So it was clear pretty
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early on that we might need to vacate that room and go somewhere else. Did you ever fear for your
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lives? Never. And I just was discussing this with someone here in Iowa a few minutes ago.
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I never felt afraid. And I really felt like we just had such a peace and God's presence and just a sense
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of purpose and determination that I don't think any of us in the whole group, all the staff and everyone
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with us. I don't think any of us felt fear. I think we felt like a sense of resolve.
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Karen Pence resolved. Here's her husband campaigning for president.
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January 6th was a tragic day in the life of our nation.
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But thanks to the courage of law enforcement, the violence was quelled.
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And we reconvened to the Congress the very same day to complete the work of the American people
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under the Constitution of the United States. As I've said many times, on that fateful day,
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President Trump's words were reckless. They endangered my family.
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So who do you believe? The former vice president? Or perhaps his wife? Hunter Biden loses one of his
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top lawyers this week. Attorney Chris Clark says he's withdrawing from the case involving Hunter
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Biden's tax violations. Clark was one of the attorneys who helped negotiate Hunter Biden's
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sweetheart plea deal that's since, of course, fallen through. In the filing to withdraw, Hunter's
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attorneys say since the plea deal fell apart, Chris Clark may now be called as a witness in the criminal
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case. Let's bring in our guests now. Joining us is Bud Cummins. Bud is an attorney, former federal
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prosecutor. He was U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Arkansas. Bud, great to have you back
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with us here on The Great America Show. Let's start, if we may, with the appointment of David Weiss
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to be the special counsel. What do you make of it all? Well, you know, I guess the first point is
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that a lot of people have noticed is if you go back and read the regulation, a special counsel is
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supposed to be appointed an attorney from outside government. I guess we all didn't notice that,
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or maybe we did, but I didn't notice that John Durham was not outside government when he was appointed.
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Robert Kerr and Jack Smith were, but so we, you know, in that regard, if there's a problem with
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David Weiss's appointment, I guess there was a problem with Durham's appointment. At that point,
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you know, there's very little comparison between Durham and Weiss because
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the reason to appoint a special counsel is because of a conflict of interest. Well, the conflict of
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interest probably existed many years ago in regard to these allegations against Hunter Biden, various
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allegations, but they certainly became undeniable because of David Weiss's handling of the Hunter
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Biden investigation to the extent it really even was an investigation. They let the statute of
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limitations run on, you know, multiple, very serious charges that would have almost certainly
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put Hunter Biden in federal prison and, and then tried to bring forward this sweetheart plea deal to
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a couple of misdemeanors. Uh, and, and only, you know, when the judge asked some pointed questions,
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did that, was that deal exposed for what it was? And I just think the government attorneys,
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you know, at some point weren't willing to own it. I suspect that they had orally told Hunter's
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attorneys that that would constitute an end and they were going to fold their tent, but they just
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weren't quite, quite willing to admit that in open court when asked. It was really something to,
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to watch. And I think most of us who are laymen in this country are watching this and not even
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able to begin to believe what we were seeing and seeing without uproar from the Republican party,
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uh, from the national media, no matter what it's become, we thought that there would at least be
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some reaction, but no people sitting there just dumbfounded apparently by this level of, uh, of
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corruption in our federal government and in this Biden regime to the point that they're completely
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desensitized your thoughts. Yeah. Well, I, you know, I think we've, we all, I, I think I said
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this on your show last time. I don't, I I'm not under the, I don't operate under the notion that when
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I was young, that, you know, ABC, NBC, CBS, the Washington post, New York times weren't biased,
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but I don't think they would have been able to resist following up on some of the events around the
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Biden crime family. And, and, uh, I, you know, it's just astonishing to me that we live in an age
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when the attorney general of the United States can look a camera in the eye and say, he's pointing
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a special counsel because of a parent conflict of interest, and then appoint the guy that created
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and demonstrated that there was a conflict of interest. And beyond that, it's, it's form over
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substance because there's nothing left to investigate. They didn't give him a mandate
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to investigate Joe Biden. The statute of limitations has run on any money laundering or bribery or,
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or, you know, millions of dollars of taxes evaded. Uh, so what is he investigating now?
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Yeah. What do you suppose that scope memo looks like? I mean, it'd be nice to see what the scope of
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this investigation really is, wouldn't it? Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, it's, uh, it's,
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it, it, it seems the, in the, in the attorney general's order, it, it just basically referenced
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the matters that were the subject of the plea agreement, which we're all pretty much aware
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doesn't amount to much. And, and I guess they can go try to up the, the ante on those,
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those specific charges and hold him on the gun, you know, accountable on the gun charge and not give
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him a diversion. That's why I think the, the defense counsel really, and Hunter Biden made an
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error. They were in open court. The government attorneys waffled on them on an agreement that
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almost certainly had been made behind closed doors, but they should have gone forward with the
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plea and hope that once they got through it, the government attorneys would still do what they said
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they were going to do, which was fold the file and put it away and forget it. Uh, now they've left
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the door open and, and put pressure on David Weiss to do something with those charges. And, and, uh,
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you know, but that process might take a long, long time, you know, we'll see, but it, it, we may never
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hear from David Weiss again until after the November 24 election. And if we do, you know, look for it to
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be, well, we finally worked out this plea deal and it's going to look about like it did. And,
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you know, end of story. I don't think it's there's, I'll be shocked if suddenly David Weiss eats a can
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of spinach and becomes a really aggressive prosecutor. And even if he does, I don't know
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what he's going to prosecute. Well, there are a few things still out there, uh, but it goes beyond
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the purview of what is, I suppose that scope memo really looks like. They want this thing to be,
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uh, this is a bizarre instance where they're using a special counsel to cover up. It appears to me
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clearly, uh, and to stop the congressional investigations, uh, and, you know, an ongoing
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investigation of what we don't know. So I don't know how they're going to defend telling, uh, telling
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folks that whether it's, uh, James Comer, Jim Jordan, or, uh, uh, Jason Smith at ways and means,
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I don't understand how that they can tell them to cease and desist, uh, because it's an ongoing
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investigation. It took five years to get where we are. David Weiss is an investigator who needs a lot
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of time. I'm, this would probably work out to be another decade of investigation, uh, for somebody
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named, uh, Biden, uh, Hunter Biden in particular. I don't know what to make of it.
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Well, I think it's, I, I, you know, you can speculate. I, I think it, I don't know. I haven't
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followed the news closely on whether, uh, Weiss has, has now is still tentatively supposed to
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testify in Congress, but, uh, you know, it very likely might've been instigated this, this decision
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appointed by special counsel might just be, you know, to set up an excuse for him to decline to,
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to testify. And because they, they probably would not have a very good day if he had to come in and
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explain how he let all those serious charges, uh, die on the vine. So here we are, we know David Weiss
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rolled through all the statute of limitations in the interest of Hunter Biden and his, uh,
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father, the president, former vice president. We know that there is plenty of evidence of wrongdoings
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just sitting on in the laptop from hell, all of which could have been, uh, prosecuted immediately
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upon just looking at it. In my opinion, I mean, if that is improbable cause and, and sufficient evidence,
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I don't know what would be. Uh, and then, uh, you're, you're involved, but you and I first came
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together talking about this, uh, when you made it very clear that there was nothing new about this,
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uh, for you in the Hunter Biden corruption and the relationship of Joe Biden to what was an overt
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act of bribery and quid pro quo in going after the prosecutor, the, uh, Ukraine prosecutor working
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against Burisma with Joe Biden's son, Hunter sitting on the board. Uh, right. So, I mean,
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this is disgusting, uh, obvious, uh, and clear and clear as a bell to anyone with common sense and some
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at least reasonable, uh, view of their politics to say this is rampant, venal corruption at the
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highest level. Yeah. Uh, you know, as you know, I, I, I carried an opportunity for the department of
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justice to evaluate real evidence of, of the allegations, at least as they pertain to Ukraine.
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I didn't have anything on China, but I, on Ukraine, uh, and Burisma in late 2018. And to this day,
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uh, you know, the DOJ said they'd get back to me and then, then quit responding to me. And so I,
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to this day, I don't know, you know, somebody should ask, uh, the U S attorney there, Jeff
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Berman, who I communicated with, you know, did he kill that? Did the FBI kill it? If the FBI killed
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it, what was he told? Uh, because all this could have been investigated till as far back, at least
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as, uh, as October of 2018. And, and, uh, you know, I think as I recall, when it was brought to me and I
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tried to convey it to the department of justice, some of it had been at least in fragments reported
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already in, in, you know, small corners of the media. So, uh, it's beyond belief that there's,
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there's certain aspects of this that haven't really been pursued. It's beyond belief. For instance,
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Christopher Hines was partners with Devin Archer and Hunter Biden. They, they, he stepped away from
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this, this chapter, and I think stepped out of the entire business around the time Hunter and Devin
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went on the board of Burisma. Uh, but I'm sure he knew what was going on and that may be why he stepped
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away. Has he ever been interviewed? Uh, John Kerry is his stepfather. He was secretary of state. Uh,
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he should have been deeply, you know, we were in Ukraine pouring billions of dollars and trying to,
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and, and, and very concerned because we were pouring all that money in there about the well-known
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corruption in Ukraine. And Joe Biden became the point person for Ukraine, but surely John Kerry was
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aware of what was going on. And I, we know that, that we know that he was briefed about Hunter going
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on the Burisma board and he later denied that he knew about it. So, you know, when is he going to be
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put on under oath and to tell what he knew? And how about Obama? Did he not know that his vice
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president was in another country, uh, demanding the resignation of a, of a high, you know, the
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highest prosecutor in the country? But Cummins, you have said the magic word, Obama, Obama, his
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intelligence agencies, his FBI, his department of justice, his vice president live and on television
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corrupt as he could be. We're talking with Bud Cummins. We're going to explore all of this
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that from our little, our little corner of the media about what's happening to all those big
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media companies and why they seem to have so much trouble following the bouncing ball that is Biden
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corruption, rampant, persistent, and still, still vigorous. We'll continue with Bud Cummins here in just a
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moment. Stay with us. It only gets more interesting. And did you hear Bud's word? Obama.
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That's the subject next. We're back. We're talking with attorney Bud Cummins, lobbyist,
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former federal prosecutor, and he's got a lot of questions about President Obama and his former
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vice president. You were saying, Bud. Yeah, well, I just, I just have always going back to 2018 when I
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I had this information. I offered it up to Department of Justice. They didn't, they didn't
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accept it or, or, or, or, you know, take it up. And it included, you know, the bulk of these
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allegations about burisma and money changing hands and Joe Biden and the dismissal of the, of the
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prosecutor general. And, and, and, uh, ever since then, you know, another fact for your audience that,
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that I learned was that during that time we wanted to support Ukraine, but we knew Ukraine was a very
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corrupt place and it was difficult to stick a dollar into the machine without it being disappearing into
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the hands of an oligarch. So we started, we did start putting, uh, you know, a lot of restrictions on
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the government of Ukraine to try to do better to police itself. And, and we had a very, uh, part of
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the agreement was we had a very significant FBI contention in Ukraine, much, many more personnel than
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we typically have in any country. And they were there to, to under an MOU to, uh, assist the Ukrainian
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authorities in their pursuit of corruption. So, you know, with all that attention to corruption, uh,
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and I don't know, I still don't know to this day, if they had documented, they may have truly
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determined that this prosecutor general was not going to be the guy to eliminate corruption. And
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maybe when Joe Biden went in there and demanded his resignation, or he withhold a billion dollars,
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maybe that was the policy United States of America. But if that's true, there are a lot of people that
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should know that. And there are member or their state department memorandums and briefings on it.
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It should have been well-documented long before Joe Biden went over there and made that demand.
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And so, uh, you know, we'd like to see that that wouldn't exonerate the Bidens for taking a lot
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of money from Burisma, but it would, uh, maybe get them off the hook for firing this prosecutor general
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in direct response to taking this money from Burisma. Uh, it's in the, it's in the Obama
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administrations and in Joe Biden's best interest to produce that. And I'm kind of surprised we haven't
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seen it if it exists. And if it doesn't exist, uh, you know, sometimes you, you can prove facts
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in government by what doesn't exist because they, they do tend legitimate work. They love to write
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memos and paper this stuff up, but, but, you know, you can shortcut that by putting John Kerry on the
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stand case. He was the secretary of state and he knows the answer to that question. And he, and,
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and he knew that Hunter Biden was in Ukraine taking money and his son and stepson knew. So
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their accounts, they need to be, uh, you know, they're, they have a responsibility to step forward
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and tell what they knew, uh, at that time. And to my knowledge, nobody has attempted to ask them
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and they haven't said. Well, the truth is none of them have met their responsibilities in any,
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any, any other, uh, area. Uh, they've been at best derelict, uh, in their responsibilities to
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protect and defend the United States of America. All of them swore an oath to the constitution.
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They violated it daily. Uh, I think we're living in a land right now where we talked about the American
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people being desensitized and inured, if you will, to the outrages that, uh, are the acts and policies
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of this administration. We have on video president, uh, then vice president Biden bragging about firing,
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uh, getting, uh, shot, uh, fired who was investigating Burisma. We have that clear as a bell. It is on its
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face, a basis for bringing charges against this president, uh, because that money was sure as
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tech, uh, channeled back to him. We know that much. Well, if, if, but like I said, if they could
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produce internal, you know, documents for months leading up to that decision where, and then, you
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know, a meeting at the white house where they delegated the vice president to go to Ukraine and
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tell the president of Ukraine that that guy needed to go, but you know, that kind of, that, that would
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be suspicion, but circumstantially money's changing hands and that guy gets fired. And I can point you
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to prosecutions, mostly against Republicans around the country where people are indicted and put in
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front of a jury and put in prison on no more evidence than that money changed hands. And then
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something good happened for the guy that gave the money. Even if the giving the money was legal,
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even if the something good was, was a legitimate act of government, the FBI doesn't hesitate and,
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or the department of justice to, to indict people. And I can point you to specific cases where there
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was no more evidence than that. And they had to face a jury over it. So wouldn't you say that there is
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plenty of evidence here brought up by, uh, the house oversight committee, the, uh, house judiciary
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committee, house ways and means committee. There is to me more than, I don't know why the house right
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now is for some reason, uh, constrained by Kevin McCarthy, uh, who thinks they have to come up with
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the judgment, uh, the, the sentencing, uh, in the, in this deal be the act as the judge when in fact,
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they're the prosecutors in, in any impeachment. Are they not? Yeah. And you know, if they're waiting
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until they have a case that the Democrats will vote Biden out, I think those days are over. I
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mean, certainly Republicans turned on Nixon when they decided that he had committed too many,
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you know, unethical acts to, to defend him. And, and they were pedestrian acts compared to what we're
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talking about here. This is, this, you know, could be treason, but I think they know that money changed
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hands. They know that Hunter Biden didn't have anything else to sell. And they know that Hunter Biden
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was putting money into the accounts of multiple family members. Some of the money was going
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directly to multiple family members and including, I believe they've documented that, uh, money was
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co-mingled with Joe Biden and Joe Biden's bills were being paid at times by Hunter Biden. That should
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be enough right there. Even if the Victor Shokin, uh, dismissal was somehow legitimate. Again, I think in
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all these years, if, if they could prove that the Shokin dismissal was legitimate, they have probably
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done that, but maybe they can. Somebody ought to ask, but, uh, even if that was legitimate,
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the co-mingling of the money and the absence of, of, of Hunter Biden having anything to sell,
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but influence should be enough, uh, in a court of law. And it should be enough if the Democrats had any
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shame for them to abandon Joe Biden and just say, it's, it's just too much. And, and, and you need to
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resign, but I think those days are over. I mean, there's no shame anymore. There is no, you can,
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you, there's no shame. Absolutely. Absolutely. And let's, let's go to something that you said,
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uh, talking about Obama, uh, and the meetings, uh, there, there would be evidence, uh, that could come
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out of that. There is evidence, uh, and the evidence are three meetings, uh, in, uh, 2016, uh, with,
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his top, uh, chiefs, uh, you know, whether it's Susan Rice, uh, the head of the CIA, the FBI,
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the attorney general, the, the former vice president who is now president, they were
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meeting over the Hillary Clinton plan to sabotage Donald Trump called Russian collusion at three
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meetings on it. That is evidence in and of itself to bring Mr. Obama up short and, and upfront in this
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discussion about the rancid corruption of this Democrat party, this Marxist dim party, or at the
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very least, this Marxist dim led party is corrupt to the bone. And I don't hear a single Republican
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talking about it because they lied, cheated and stole the 2020 election and to put him in the oval
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office. And that is an act of sheer treason to have been a part of that because they knew what he
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was. He was impaired, compromised, and a puppet for what appears to be a third term of the Obama
00:27:02.160
administration. Yep. Uh, it's, it's, uh, it's what, what happened is clear. And you would think
00:27:12.160
that at a minimum, they would shrink away into the shadows and back off, but they've doubled down.
00:27:19.780
That's what's troubling is they've been exposed or intentionally trying to frame a president of the
00:27:28.020
United States disrupting almost his entire, or if his entire term of office with false allegations,
00:27:34.720
they knew to be false weaponizing one of the most important agencies in our government, the department
00:27:39.560
of justice, and now exposed, there is no accountability whatsoever. And so they've, and now they've gotten
00:27:50.120
the department of justice back and they are indicting Donald Trump everywhere they can charge it, you
00:27:57.580
know, New York, I guess Atlanta soon, Florida, Jack Smith, and the charges are ludicrous. They're
00:28:05.680
just ludicrous. Does Donald, has Donald Trump said or done, done things before that are ill-advised
00:28:11.780
and ham-handed? You bet. Has he had opinions that maybe weren't supported by all the evidence?
00:28:17.400
Apparently so, but you know, they're, they're basically trying to indict him for creatively for crimes
00:28:25.420
that don't exist. And, and it's so obvious to any, any neutral party that it really, it's almost
00:28:31.560
insulting for us to have to sit and catalog and go through each, each indictment because it gives
00:28:38.780
credence to what they're doing. I mean, it's so obviously wrong that we really shouldn't have to do
00:28:43.520
that anymore. And the national media in all of this is, is covering nothing. They're shameless,
00:28:51.340
as you said, and there's a reason, and there's a reason that their coverup is so desperate on the
00:28:59.360
part of the Marxist Dems, the deep state. And that is because they're all in it together. This isn't an
00:29:06.660
accident that the corporate media isn't covering this, isn't jumping immediately to, to bring truth
00:29:15.860
to power. It's because they are instruments of power, rather than a free and fair press that we once
00:29:24.340
had in this country. It's been a long while now.
00:29:27.960
Well, Lou, Lou, can I turn the tables on you and interview you for a second? Because I'm curious. I'm not,
00:29:36.080
You've got a career in the media. Isn't there a young, ambitious reporter at CBS,
00:29:41.980
works at 60 Minutes, a producer, somebody at the New York Times that can see this and say,
00:29:50.200
you know what? I want to, I want to do good work. And man, there's some, there's some real meat on
00:29:55.940
the table here. I'm going to dig into this. Why isn't there anybody out there in the corporate media
00:30:03.660
that wants to do this? Are they trying to do it and being shut down? What's going on there?
00:30:08.320
And is it, are they, do they have that much control?
00:30:12.820
You know what? I'm going to answer your questions right on the other side of this quick break.
00:30:16.640
We're talking with Bud Cummins. And then I'm going to throw a question back at you about the
00:30:21.900
legal profession. We might as well take down, take down the whole bunch at once, Bud. We're coming
00:30:27.860
right back. We're talking with attorney Bud Cummins, former federal prosecutor, great American.
00:30:38.320
We're back with Bud Cummins, who is not only a former federal prosecutor, a lobbyist, a great
00:30:45.460
American, but he's so good that he just turned the tables on me and asked me a question about why
00:30:50.940
there isn't someone, anyone within the national corporate media, a younger journalist, if we can
00:30:59.640
still use that word, who wants to make his or her bones by breaking a big story and doing what is in
00:31:06.520
the public interest, the national interest, and honor the public's right to know? The answer is,
00:31:12.360
I guess, Bud, the answer is what is before us, and that is no one has stepped up. The only one I know
00:31:20.320
in corporate media, and if I'm missing somebody, but Catherine Herridge at CBS News keeps doggedly
00:31:28.240
trying to break through. There are lots of podcasts. There are lots of folks in the alternate media in
00:31:36.240
this country doing terrific work, but are you kidding me? I mean, where is ABC, NBC, CBS, again, with the
00:31:48.300
exception of Catherine Herridge? Where is the New York Times and the Washington Post don't even have
00:31:56.020
the decency to give back the Pulitzers they won for covering President Trump's Russian collusion?
00:32:05.060
If there isn't enough integrity on the part of those publishers and owners, the Times and the Post,
00:32:13.540
you know that's how much influence they've got because these kids coming out of various schools,
00:32:21.180
Ivy League schools, journalism schools, they've all been indoctrinated. Most of them are left-wing
00:32:27.760
ideologues, and I have to tell you, it's a sorry state of affairs. It's the same thing that's happening in
00:32:33.800
your profession. You've got these projects in all the law schools. They're left-wing to the bone,
00:32:42.540
and they're producing left-wing, indoctrinated, and fellow travelers. And that, by the way, is the future
00:32:50.380
of the country, I think. Your thought, Bud? Well, I'm afraid you're right. I think, you know,
00:32:56.380
fellow travelers, useful idiots, whatever you want to call them, it seems like we're just
00:33:04.060
breeding and training whole generations of them. But you'd like to think that if they're intelligent
00:33:08.900
enough that eventually they'd see something that doesn't ring true to them and their integrity
00:33:16.820
would take over and they'd become inquisitive. But if that's happening, they're being sent home,
00:33:24.580
I guess. I imagine that's exactly right. But what has happened here is you can't even ask a question
00:33:31.760
now. I had somebody accuse me of being, I'm sorry, who, I don't know, it may have been off the record,
00:33:40.640
but a well-known author accused me of being a birther because he had read all the left-wing
00:33:48.780
stuff like Media Matters, et cetera, et cetera, calling me a birther. The fact is, I said that I
00:33:55.920
believe Barack Obama was born in America, but I wanted to know why he wouldn't just solve the
00:34:03.580
thing and produce a birth certificate. And that set the left off. And I mean, I was attacked.
00:34:09.700
I was attacked for covering illegal immigration because it was a ratings getter. That's the inverse.
00:34:17.000
It was not a ratings getter. And by the way, no one would touch the story about illegal immigration.
00:34:23.320
People attacked me for covering the outsourcing of American jobs. I was the only one talking about
00:34:31.180
it for crying out loud. But it works because the other people shy away. Oh, they're scared to death.
00:34:38.520
People on January 6th, I never saw evidence that told me that Joe Biden didn't win the election.
00:34:46.120
But I'll be danged if anybody's ever going to prove to me that he did, because I've been in this
00:34:51.460
business long enough to know that when you get that many ballots away from the polling places and
00:34:56.420
extend the voting periods as long as they did, that people take advantage of that. And 99% of the
00:35:02.860
time, in my experience, it's the Democrat Party that does it. And so I can guarantee you that fraud
00:35:08.520
occurred. Did it change the outcome of the election? Well, I don't know, because this process that they
00:35:13.320
set up was lacked so much, lacked accountability to the extent that it's impossible to know.
00:35:19.440
So was Trump right when he said he won and Biden lost? Probably not, because I don't think he
00:35:26.420
could prove that. Was he right when he said it was a flawed election? Absolutely. And anybody that's
00:35:35.000
afraid to say that doesn't understand how it works. Let's at least have accountability in the next
00:35:43.280
election. And let's not be afraid to stand up and say, hey, I don't blame the guy, because, you know,
00:35:49.540
all this crazy stuff that we let happen, mail-in ballots and people carrying boxes around, you can't
00:35:54.920
know who won an election when you're letting that happen. You just don't know.
00:35:59.260
I was a witness in a trial, a civil trial against Fox News. You may have heard of it.
00:36:05.840
Yeah. And the judge in the case, and I don't know much about law, but he made a decision
00:36:14.640
that the trial was, excuse me, the election, it feels like a trial, the election was in fact
00:36:23.240
not rigged. He decided that was the fact. And that was the basis upon which he proceeded.
00:36:30.160
He said that without apparently the knowledge that Bill Barr himself lied about his statements
00:36:37.640
in December 1st, I believe it was, that they had investigated the election and that it was
00:36:43.360
fair. And there was no fraud. He didn't have, he didn't.
00:36:49.820
You can say we didn't find it or you can say we didn't prove it, but you should never say it
00:36:54.280
didn't happen because I guarantee it happened. And it may, maybe it didn't happen on enough
00:36:59.340
of a scale to change the outcome of the election, but we shouldn't let it happen. We shouldn't have
00:37:04.860
to go there. No, we shouldn't. We set back as a country and let it happen. We set back as a
00:37:10.840
country and watch this police, these police officers in Minnesota go to long prison sentences
00:37:15.880
for apprehending a drug addict that died of an overdose. Yep. And we're just sitting back and
00:37:20.700
people, most people I know would be scared to even comment on that because they're afraid of
00:37:24.480
being attacked. It's a sad, you know, so their tactics work. If they accuse you of whatever for
00:37:32.680
reporting about the border or, you know, commenting on Obama's reluctance to disprove
00:37:38.560
his birth, then, you know, it works. It works. And I have to tell you, it scares the hell out of
00:37:46.080
people. And my wife and I both were young journalists. And the fact of the matter is we
00:37:53.040
got into it not because we wanted to get rich. We didn't want to even be television stars or
00:37:59.720
whatever you want to call it. We got it because we loved journalism. We loved the craft. And it was
00:38:08.680
all we live for. I mean, I got into more trouble with more bosses. I mean, I was blackballed by two
00:38:14.560
white houses, one Democrat, one Republican, George Bush and Barack Obama. You know, I have had
00:38:21.820
throughout my career these kind of controversies over what I want to report, which is simply and
00:38:28.460
directly the truth as I find it. And what we know for a fact is that Bill Barr was lying when he said
00:38:35.320
that because there is no report of any investigation. There is no possibility that that
00:38:40.840
investigation can be occurred. We know that the Homeland Security Department lied. Krebs, the head
00:38:48.180
of the Cyber and Infrastructure Security Agency, came out and said within a week, there was no
00:38:57.580
irregularity. We know there was every kind of irregularity. And we know that there was fraud
00:39:04.300
across the board in this country, in the battleground states in particular. And besides that, folks,
00:39:11.480
you have every right to question that election. 24,700 votes decided the 2020 election. And we have
00:39:22.100
courts and judges and newspapers and television networks saying, oh, no, you've got to be an election
00:39:30.000
denier to think there's a problem. This is madness in this country to just ask a question, which is, by the
00:39:36.400
way, a journalist's job is to answer them. And I've answered them as best as I know how. It was rigged. Bill
00:39:44.280
Barr has lied throughout the Republican Party. Much of it has been gutless in their inability to muster the
00:39:53.180
courage to say, we want to make sure this doesn't happen in 2024 and to surround, to surround Donald
00:40:01.460
Trump and rally around him against these evil doers who are the federal government and the Biden regime.
00:40:13.080
Yeah, well, everything you say is true. I think, you know, we're in this interesting situation where,
00:40:19.340
you know, some of your listeners are probably, you know, loyal Donald Trump supporters and can't
00:40:25.100
wait to vote for him again. You probably also have other other listeners who who tend to be
00:40:30.420
conservative, but for one reason or another, they're not wild about another go around with Donald Trump.
00:40:36.480
He can be a little exhausting and create problems for, you know, whatever unforced errors. But
00:40:42.460
if you look at what's going on, you have to support Donald Trump when they're indicting him in multiple
00:40:50.460
districts with made up charges, you have to step up and defend him on that. Doesn't mean you have to
00:40:55.320
vote for him, but you have to step up and resist this. And, and I think a lot of people are just kind
00:41:02.240
of sitting on their hands because they really don't know what to do. But, you know, if people don't
00:41:07.900
start taking a stand, you and I had this conversation last time I was on your show,
00:41:13.760
the real challenge here is we don't know what to do and we don't know when to do it.
00:41:18.760
We know we're in trouble, but at what point is enough enough? And then when I decide enough is
00:41:24.500
enough, what is, what can I do? And I, you know, I'm not sure I know the answer to that. And I don't
00:41:29.380
think most people in America do. Well, you're asking, I think, though, the pertinent question.
00:41:34.460
We know that our government of checks and balances, co-equal branches of government,
00:41:42.000
a nation of laws, a constitutional republic. We know right now it's not working because we have
00:41:48.760
a horrific, horrific moment in our history that none of us knows how to respond to without force.
00:41:56.700
The fellow in Michigan over the weekend talking about, he thinks that this, if the weaponized
00:42:03.360
government continues going after conservatives, that only one thing can result. And that is a
00:42:08.960
collision of force. I think we're some ways from that. But I do think that we have to come up with
00:42:16.840
an intelligent and effective way to communicate precisely how much, how much evil is at work in
00:42:26.280
this government, in this administration and the Marxist party. This is not just the loyal opposition
00:42:33.480
we're talking about here. This and a two-party system. This is a one-party system, a one-tier
00:42:40.640
justice system. There is no justice required whatsoever for the Marxist Dems and the Democrats
00:42:47.020
in the left in this country as they indoctrinate, savage our children, and import more deadly drugs.
00:42:57.180
And Joe Biden sends more hush money to Volodymyr Zelensky in Ukraine. It's wide open.
00:43:05.820
Yeah, it's a troubling time. It's a troubling time. And I don't think we're going to see Hunter Biden
00:43:15.060
held accountable. I don't think we're going to see Joe Biden held accountable. I think the next
00:43:20.580
opportunity for a turnaround is the 2024 election. And if a Republican president can be elected again,
00:43:32.220
I'm not sure with the demographics and the way they've, you know, with the illegal immigration
00:43:37.600
and the voting procedures being so tainted around the country. I don't know if we'll see another
00:43:49.120
Republican president, you know, anytime soon. But if we can elect a Republican and then not try to get
00:43:59.180
retaliation, but try to return these agencies into the, what they're supposed to be, you know,
00:44:06.140
particularly in the Department of Justice to go out neutrally and evaluate facts and follow the law
00:44:13.060
and not become a, you know, organ of one political party or the other, you know, that could turn us
00:44:20.820
around. But if it doesn't happen and, you know, they're marching Donald Trump off to prison over here
00:44:26.120
and somebody else off to prison over there and, and then, you know, obviously letting their own
00:44:31.780
commit treason and bribery without accountability, I, at some point, you know, I don't know that,
00:44:41.360
that it's unreasonable to think that, that we might see some really rough, rough times.
00:44:47.580
I don't think, I don't think the conservatives will lay down and just give it all,
00:44:51.820
give it all up without, without a fight, but I'm not sure when the fight starts.
00:44:57.040
Well, I'm not either. But I do know one thing. We're, we're in a battle for this country's future
00:45:03.560
for this Republic. And it's not, it's not looking good for us, but it also didn't look good for us
00:45:10.960
in the early days of World War II. We did respond. The problem is we don't have much time.
00:45:17.160
There was a lot of time, at least for this great country to respond back then. We have
00:45:24.300
almost zero opportunity here to get, to get motivated, directed, and get this thing turned
00:45:32.520
around as you put it. But we always give the last word to our guest, your concluding thoughts.
00:45:37.400
Well, I just appreciate the time. You know, I hate to be, I feel like I've been pessimistic and
00:45:44.240
maybe I am, but you know, I think there's still a lot of great people working at the FBI and DOJ.
00:45:50.580
I wish they'd speak up. I know there's a lot of great people out there in the country and I just
00:45:55.480
hope, you know, they have the courage to stand up and say what they think and, and, and, you know,
00:46:01.320
call these people out for, for what they're doing. And because that's the only way we avoid,
00:46:06.180
you know, violence in the future or some really horrible ending to this country is,
00:46:11.760
is people have to start standing up and, and ask it, you know, demanding the truth.
00:46:18.620
No. And I, I don't either. And I'm sure most of the folks in this audience don't.
00:46:25.160
We really appreciate you being with us, bud. Thanks for coming back. And I hope you'll come back soon.
00:46:29.820
Bud Cummins, former federal prosecutor, lobbyist, great American. Thank you.
00:46:36.260
Thank you everybody for listening today. Tomorrow we'll be bringing you coverage
00:46:40.000
from Mike Lindell's election summit to be held in Springfield, Missouri.
00:46:44.400
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00:46:50.300
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00:46:55.560
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00:47:08.320
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