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00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to The Great America Show. Thanks for being with

00:00:07.580 us. President Trump hit with his fourth criminal indictment this week from Marxist Fulton County

00:00:14.220 DA Fannie Willis, joining in the orchestrated attacks on Trump by Manhattan District Attorney

00:00:20.820 Alvin Bragg, New York's Attorney General Letitia James, Special Counsel Jack Smith, of course,

00:00:27.260 and now District Attorney Willis. Four and a half months of orchestrated indictments by the

00:00:34.800 Marxist-dim mob of prosecutors. Let's call this what it is. Prosecutorial misconduct,

00:00:42.240 election interference, political persecution. Trump faces over 700 years in prison if he were

00:00:50.360 to be convicted of the 91 counts he's charged with. Do you think there might be an opportunity here

00:00:57.240 for the Supreme Court to step in and tell these lawfare thugs to stand down and to end their

00:01:04.120 ignorance and vicious attacks on President Trump and our legal system? The grand jury in the Fulton

00:01:11.500 County case only heard testimony for one day and then voted the same day to bring charges

00:01:17.060 against President Trump. The county clerk posted and then deleted the final indictment,

00:01:23.040 a clear violation of President Trump's rights. But who's concerned about those, right?

00:01:30.160 Willis, who is running for re-election in 2024, has already begun her fundraising off the indictment,

00:01:36.500 a move she was already reprimanded for by a judge just last year. These prosecutors are all low-life 0.66

00:01:44.440 politicos. They're all disgusting. And so it goes. Legal scholar Alan Dershowitz says every lawyer should be 1.00

00:01:52.780 trembling right now about these indictments because of the dangerous precedent it sets barring free

00:01:59.900 speech, no longer allowing anyone to challenge an election. This changes the rules of the game. This

00:02:06.900 basically says RICO is not just applicable to organized crime or to organized commercial crime with

00:02:13.780 hierarchies, but it also applies to protests against election results. It's going to deter and chill

00:02:19.980 people from bringing legitimate election results. Let's remember, we have a process, a law process

00:02:25.500 for challenging elections. It involves alternate electives. It involves going to court. What this

00:02:30.420 indictment basically says is if you do that, we're going to indict you. So you might as well go on the

00:02:34.500 streets and protest and do what happens in banana republics. You know, on my podcast, The Dershow,

00:02:42.900 I give out bananas. And until this indictment, I was up to two. I think I'm now up to four. This

00:02:49.920 indictment is very, very dangerous, not only for what it says about Donald Trump, but what it says

00:02:55.080 about future challenges to elections by lawyers. I think every lawyer who's an election lawyer should

00:03:02.060 be trembling at the result of this. It basically says if you're wrong about the election, we're coming

00:03:07.340 after you. And that's just not the way it should be. If you're wrong about the election, you lose.

00:03:12.180 That's how America is supposed to operate. And Karen Pence, the wife of former Vice President Mike

00:03:17.380 Pence, showing this week more courage than her husband. Karen sat down for an interview with ABC

00:03:23.040 News and was asked about January 6th and her safety that day. At what point did you realize my family

00:03:31.420 could be in danger? Well, the Secret Service are phenomenal men and women, and they made it clear

00:03:37.500 to us right away that, you know, there might be a point where we would need to move to a different

00:03:44.340 location. So that was pretty clear to us from the very beginning, because they had come and gotten us

00:03:50.840 out of the Senate chambers and taken us back to Mike's office in the Senate. So it was clear pretty

00:03:58.300 early on that we might need to vacate that room and go somewhere else. Did you ever fear for your

00:04:02.980 lives? Never. And I just was discussing this with someone here in Iowa a few minutes ago.

00:04:08.640 I never felt afraid. And I really felt like we just had such a peace and God's presence and just a sense

00:04:16.580 of purpose and determination that I don't think any of us in the whole group, all the staff and everyone

00:04:24.600 with us. I don't think any of us felt fear. I think we felt like a sense of resolve.

00:04:31.200 Karen Pence resolved. Here's her husband campaigning for president.

00:04:36.580 January 6th was a tragic day in the life of our nation.

00:04:40.780 But thanks to the courage of law enforcement, the violence was quelled.

00:04:44.740 And we reconvened to the Congress the very same day to complete the work of the American people

00:04:53.240 under the Constitution of the United States. As I've said many times, on that fateful day,

00:05:02.680 President Trump's words were reckless. They endangered my family.

00:05:07.080 So who do you believe? The former vice president? Or perhaps his wife? Hunter Biden loses one of his

00:05:14.320 top lawyers this week. Attorney Chris Clark says he's withdrawing from the case involving Hunter

00:05:19.900 Biden's tax violations. Clark was one of the attorneys who helped negotiate Hunter Biden's

00:05:25.660 sweetheart plea deal that's since, of course, fallen through. In the filing to withdraw, Hunter's

00:05:31.580 attorneys say since the plea deal fell apart, Chris Clark may now be called as a witness in the criminal

00:05:38.640 case. Let's bring in our guests now. Joining us is Bud Cummins. Bud is an attorney, former federal

00:05:45.040 prosecutor. He was U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Arkansas. Bud, great to have you back

00:05:50.760 with us here on The Great America Show. Let's start, if we may, with the appointment of David Weiss

00:05:55.360 to be the special counsel. What do you make of it all? Well, you know, I guess the first point is

00:06:02.880 that a lot of people have noticed is if you go back and read the regulation, a special counsel is

00:06:08.320 supposed to be appointed an attorney from outside government. I guess we all didn't notice that,

00:06:14.900 or maybe we did, but I didn't notice that John Durham was not outside government when he was appointed.

00:06:19.860 Robert Kerr and Jack Smith were, but so we, you know, in that regard, if there's a problem with

00:06:28.200 David Weiss's appointment, I guess there was a problem with Durham's appointment. At that point,

00:06:33.840 you know, there's very little comparison between Durham and Weiss because

00:06:37.680 the reason to appoint a special counsel is because of a conflict of interest. Well, the conflict of

00:06:44.560 interest probably existed many years ago in regard to these allegations against Hunter Biden, various

00:06:52.040 allegations, but they certainly became undeniable because of David Weiss's handling of the Hunter

00:07:03.480 Biden investigation to the extent it really even was an investigation. They let the statute of

00:07:08.700 limitations run on, you know, multiple, very serious charges that would have almost certainly

00:07:15.100 put Hunter Biden in federal prison and, and then tried to bring forward this sweetheart plea deal to

00:07:21.700 a couple of misdemeanors. Uh, and, and only, you know, when the judge asked some pointed questions,

00:07:28.920 did that, was that deal exposed for what it was? And I just think the government attorneys,

00:07:34.600 you know, at some point weren't willing to own it. I suspect that they had orally told Hunter's

00:07:41.320 attorneys that that would constitute an end and they were going to fold their tent, but they just

00:07:45.920 weren't quite, quite willing to admit that in open court when asked. It was really something to,

00:07:51.880 to watch. And I think most of us who are laymen in this country are watching this and not even

00:07:57.560 able to begin to believe what we were seeing and seeing without uproar from the Republican party,

00:08:05.900 uh, from the national media, no matter what it's become, we thought that there would at least be

00:08:12.500 some reaction, but no people sitting there just dumbfounded apparently by this level of, uh, of

00:08:19.740 corruption in our federal government and in this Biden regime to the point that they're completely

00:08:26.140 desensitized your thoughts. Yeah. Well, I, you know, I think we've, we all, I, I think I said

00:08:33.880 this on your show last time. I don't, I I'm not under the, I don't operate under the notion that when

00:08:39.680 I was young, that, you know, ABC, NBC, CBS, the Washington post, New York times weren't biased,

00:08:46.080 but I don't think they would have been able to resist following up on some of the events around the

00:08:53.980 Biden crime family. And, and, uh, I, you know, it's just astonishing to me that we live in an age

00:09:01.260 when the attorney general of the United States can look a camera in the eye and say, he's pointing

00:09:06.820 a special counsel because of a parent conflict of interest, and then appoint the guy that created

00:09:14.120 and demonstrated that there was a conflict of interest. And beyond that, it's, it's form over

00:09:20.360 substance because there's nothing left to investigate. They didn't give him a mandate

00:09:24.540 to investigate Joe Biden. The statute of limitations has run on any money laundering or bribery or,

00:09:30.820 or, you know, millions of dollars of taxes evaded. Uh, so what is he investigating now?

00:09:37.620 Yeah. What do you suppose that scope memo looks like? I mean, it'd be nice to see what the scope of

00:09:42.320 this investigation really is, wouldn't it? Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, it's, uh, it's,

00:09:48.680 it, it, it seems the, in the, in the attorney general's order, it, it just basically referenced

00:09:54.080 the matters that were the subject of the plea agreement, which we're all pretty much aware

00:09:59.720 doesn't amount to much. And, and I guess they can go try to up the, the ante on those,

00:10:06.180 those specific charges and hold him on the gun, you know, accountable on the gun charge and not give

00:10:11.960 him a diversion. That's why I think the, the defense counsel really, and Hunter Biden made an

00:10:18.920 error. They were in open court. The government attorneys waffled on them on an agreement that

00:10:25.000 almost certainly had been made behind closed doors, but they should have gone forward with the

00:10:29.980 plea and hope that once they got through it, the government attorneys would still do what they said

00:10:35.480 they were going to do, which was fold the file and put it away and forget it. Uh, now they've left

00:10:41.380 the door open and, and put pressure on David Weiss to do something with those charges. And, and, uh,

00:10:49.000 you know, but that process might take a long, long time, you know, we'll see, but it, it, we may never

00:10:55.460 hear from David Weiss again until after the November 24 election. And if we do, you know, look for it to

00:11:01.840 be, well, we finally worked out this plea deal and it's going to look about like it did. And,

00:11:08.100 you know, end of story. I don't think it's there's, I'll be shocked if suddenly David Weiss eats a can

00:11:15.400 of spinach and becomes a really aggressive prosecutor. And even if he does, I don't know

00:11:19.080 what he's going to prosecute. Well, there are a few things still out there, uh, but it goes beyond

00:11:25.960 the purview of what is, I suppose that scope memo really looks like. They want this thing to be,

00:11:31.460 uh, this is a bizarre instance where they're using a special counsel to cover up. It appears to me

00:11:39.980 clearly, uh, and to stop the congressional investigations, uh, and, you know, an ongoing

00:11:47.900 investigation of what we don't know. So I don't know how they're going to defend telling, uh, telling

00:11:53.000 folks that whether it's, uh, James Comer, Jim Jordan, or, uh, uh, Jason Smith at ways and means,

00:11:59.900 I don't understand how that they can tell them to cease and desist, uh, because it's an ongoing

00:12:05.500 investigation. It took five years to get where we are. David Weiss is an investigator who needs a lot

00:12:13.560 of time. I'm, this would probably work out to be another decade of investigation, uh, for somebody

00:12:18.960 named, uh, Biden, uh, Hunter Biden in particular. I don't know what to make of it.

00:12:24.820 Well, I think it's, I, I, you know, you can speculate. I, I think it, I don't know. I haven't

00:12:32.680 followed the news closely on whether, uh, Weiss has, has now is still tentatively supposed to

00:12:39.640 testify in Congress, but, uh, you know, it very likely might've been instigated this, this decision

00:12:48.940 appointed by special counsel might just be, you know, to set up an excuse for him to decline to,

00:12:53.880 to testify. And because they, they probably would not have a very good day if he had to come in and

00:13:02.560 explain how he let all those serious charges, uh, die on the vine. So here we are, we know David Weiss

00:13:11.520 rolled through all the statute of limitations in the interest of Hunter Biden and his, uh,

00:13:19.620 father, the president, former vice president. We know that there is plenty of evidence of wrongdoings

00:13:25.620 just sitting on in the laptop from hell, all of which could have been, uh, prosecuted immediately

00:13:31.180 upon just looking at it. In my opinion, I mean, if that is improbable cause and, and sufficient evidence,

00:13:36.740 I don't know what would be. Uh, and then, uh, you're, you're involved, but you and I first came

00:13:44.420 together talking about this, uh, when you made it very clear that there was nothing new about this,

00:13:50.780 uh, for you in the Hunter Biden corruption and the relationship of Joe Biden to what was an overt

00:13:57.940 act of bribery and quid pro quo in going after the prosecutor, the, uh, Ukraine prosecutor working

00:14:08.100 against Burisma with Joe Biden's son, Hunter sitting on the board. Uh, right. So, I mean,

00:14:16.180 this is disgusting, uh, obvious, uh, and clear and clear as a bell to anyone with common sense and some

00:14:25.140 at least reasonable, uh, view of their politics to say this is rampant, venal corruption at the

00:14:35.620 highest level. Yeah. Uh, you know, as you know, I, I, I carried an opportunity for the department of

00:14:41.840 justice to evaluate real evidence of, of the allegations, at least as they pertain to Ukraine.

00:14:47.260 I didn't have anything on China, but I, on Ukraine, uh, and Burisma in late 2018. And to this day,

00:14:56.080 uh, you know, the DOJ said they'd get back to me and then, then quit responding to me. And so I,

00:15:02.500 to this day, I don't know, you know, somebody should ask, uh, the U S attorney there, Jeff

00:15:07.860 Berman, who I communicated with, you know, did he kill that? Did the FBI kill it? If the FBI killed

00:15:13.660 it, what was he told? Uh, because all this could have been investigated till as far back, at least

00:15:20.660 as, uh, as October of 2018. And, and, uh, you know, I think as I recall, when it was brought to me and I

00:15:29.920 tried to convey it to the department of justice, some of it had been at least in fragments reported

00:15:35.400 already in, in, you know, small corners of the media. So, uh, it's beyond belief that there's,

00:15:45.080 there's certain aspects of this that haven't really been pursued. It's beyond belief. For instance,

00:15:51.920 Christopher Hines was partners with Devin Archer and Hunter Biden. They, they, he stepped away from

00:15:57.940 this, this chapter, and I think stepped out of the entire business around the time Hunter and Devin

00:16:04.200 went on the board of Burisma. Uh, but I'm sure he knew what was going on and that may be why he stepped

00:16:09.900 away. Has he ever been interviewed? Uh, John Kerry is his stepfather. He was secretary of state. Uh,

00:16:18.040 he should have been deeply, you know, we were in Ukraine pouring billions of dollars and trying to,

00:16:25.800 and, and, and very concerned because we were pouring all that money in there about the well-known

00:16:31.040 corruption in Ukraine. And Joe Biden became the point person for Ukraine, but surely John Kerry was

00:16:38.160 aware of what was going on. And I, we know that, that we know that he was briefed about Hunter going

00:16:43.340 on the Burisma board and he later denied that he knew about it. So, you know, when is he going to be

00:16:48.520 put on under oath and to tell what he knew? And how about Obama? Did he not know that his vice

00:16:53.080 president was in another country, uh, demanding the resignation of a, of a high, you know, the

00:16:59.380 highest prosecutor in the country? But Cummins, you have said the magic word, Obama, Obama, his

00:17:08.580 intelligence agencies, his FBI, his department of justice, his vice president live and on television

00:17:16.020 corrupt as he could be. We're talking with Bud Cummins. We're going to explore all of this

00:17:21.620 that from our little, our little corner of the media about what's happening to all those big

00:17:27.700 media companies and why they seem to have so much trouble following the bouncing ball that is Biden

00:17:36.080 corruption, rampant, persistent, and still, still vigorous. We'll continue with Bud Cummins here in just a

00:17:44.980 moment. Stay with us. It only gets more interesting. And did you hear Bud's word? Obama.

00:17:50.960 That's the subject next. We're back. We're talking with attorney Bud Cummins, lobbyist,

00:18:02.240 former federal prosecutor, and he's got a lot of questions about President Obama and his former

00:18:10.280 vice president. You were saying, Bud. Yeah, well, I just, I just have always going back to 2018 when I

00:18:19.580 I had this information. I offered it up to Department of Justice. They didn't, they didn't

00:18:24.120 accept it or, or, or, or, you know, take it up. And it included, you know, the bulk of these

00:18:31.420 allegations about burisma and money changing hands and Joe Biden and the dismissal of the, of the

00:18:38.940 prosecutor general. And, and, and, uh, ever since then, you know, another fact for your audience that,

00:18:46.940 that I learned was that during that time we wanted to support Ukraine, but we knew Ukraine was a very

00:18:54.720 corrupt place and it was difficult to stick a dollar into the machine without it being disappearing into

00:19:00.460 the hands of an oligarch. So we started, we did start putting, uh, you know, a lot of restrictions on

00:19:07.220 the government of Ukraine to try to do better to police itself. And, and we had a very, uh, part of

00:19:15.540 the agreement was we had a very significant FBI contention in Ukraine, much, many more personnel than

00:19:22.980 we typically have in any country. And they were there to, to under an MOU to, uh, assist the Ukrainian

00:19:31.660 authorities in their pursuit of corruption. So, you know, with all that attention to corruption, uh,

00:19:41.160 and I don't know, I still don't know to this day, if they had documented, they may have truly

00:19:49.420 determined that this prosecutor general was not going to be the guy to eliminate corruption. And

00:19:54.420 maybe when Joe Biden went in there and demanded his resignation, or he withhold a billion dollars,

00:19:59.260 maybe that was the policy United States of America. But if that's true, there are a lot of people that

00:20:05.080 should know that. And there are member or their state department memorandums and briefings on it.

00:20:11.020 It should have been well-documented long before Joe Biden went over there and made that demand.

00:20:16.740 And so, uh, you know, we'd like to see that that wouldn't exonerate the Bidens for taking a lot

00:20:23.300 of money from Burisma, but it would, uh, maybe get them off the hook for firing this prosecutor general

00:20:30.820 in direct response to taking this money from Burisma. Uh, it's in the, it's in the Obama

00:20:36.840 administrations and in Joe Biden's best interest to produce that. And I'm kind of surprised we haven't

00:20:41.360 seen it if it exists. And if it doesn't exist, uh, you know, sometimes you, you can prove facts

00:20:46.640 in government by what doesn't exist because they, they do tend legitimate work. They love to write

00:20:52.700 memos and paper this stuff up, but, but, you know, you can shortcut that by putting John Kerry on the

00:20:58.340 stand case. He was the secretary of state and he knows the answer to that question. And he, and,

00:21:03.600 and he knew that Hunter Biden was in Ukraine taking money and his son and stepson knew. So

00:21:09.300 their accounts, they need to be, uh, you know, they're, they have a responsibility to step forward

00:21:15.140 and tell what they knew, uh, at that time. And to my knowledge, nobody has attempted to ask them

00:21:20.880 and they haven't said. Well, the truth is none of them have met their responsibilities in any,

00:21:26.820 any, any other, uh, area. Uh, they've been at best derelict, uh, in their responsibilities to

00:21:34.180 protect and defend the United States of America. All of them swore an oath to the constitution.

00:21:39.620 They violated it daily. Uh, I think we're living in a land right now where we talked about the American

00:21:46.720 people being desensitized and inured, if you will, to the outrages that, uh, are the acts and policies

00:21:53.660 of this administration. We have on video president, uh, then vice president Biden bragging about firing,

00:22:00.900 uh, getting, uh, shot, uh, fired who was investigating Burisma. We have that clear as a bell. It is on its

00:22:09.580 face, a basis for bringing charges against this president, uh, because that money was sure as

00:22:16.700 tech, uh, channeled back to him. We know that much. Well, if, if, but like I said, if they could

00:22:23.720 produce internal, you know, documents for months leading up to that decision where, and then, you

00:22:30.380 know, a meeting at the white house where they delegated the vice president to go to Ukraine and

00:22:35.500 tell the president of Ukraine that that guy needed to go, but you know, that kind of, that, that would

00:22:40.380 be suspicion, but circumstantially money's changing hands and that guy gets fired. And I can point you

00:22:48.380 to prosecutions, mostly against Republicans around the country where people are indicted and put in

00:22:54.840 front of a jury and put in prison on no more evidence than that money changed hands. And then

00:23:00.420 something good happened for the guy that gave the money. Even if the giving the money was legal,

00:23:04.480 even if the something good was, was a legitimate act of government, the FBI doesn't hesitate and,

00:23:11.460 or the department of justice to, to indict people. And I can point you to specific cases where there

00:23:16.860 was no more evidence than that. And they had to face a jury over it. So wouldn't you say that there is

00:23:24.380 plenty of evidence here brought up by, uh, the house oversight committee, the, uh, house judiciary

00:23:30.880 committee, house ways and means committee. There is to me more than, I don't know why the house right

00:23:38.320 now is for some reason, uh, constrained by Kevin McCarthy, uh, who thinks they have to come up with

00:23:45.800 the judgment, uh, the, the sentencing, uh, in the, in this deal be the act as the judge when in fact,

00:23:54.300 they're the prosecutors in, in any impeachment. Are they not? Yeah. And you know, if they're waiting

00:24:00.700 until they have a case that the Democrats will vote Biden out, I think those days are over. I

00:24:06.040 mean, certainly Republicans turned on Nixon when they decided that he had committed too many,

00:24:10.600 you know, unethical acts to, to defend him. And, and they were pedestrian acts compared to what we're

00:24:17.400 talking about here. This is, this, you know, could be treason, but I think they know that money changed

00:24:23.560 hands. They know that Hunter Biden didn't have anything else to sell. And they know that Hunter Biden

00:24:28.880 was putting money into the accounts of multiple family members. Some of the money was going

00:24:33.340 directly to multiple family members and including, I believe they've documented that, uh, money was

00:24:39.560 co-mingled with Joe Biden and Joe Biden's bills were being paid at times by Hunter Biden. That should

00:24:45.280 be enough right there. Even if the Victor Shokin, uh, dismissal was somehow legitimate. Again, I think in 0.53

00:24:53.420 all these years, if, if they could prove that the Shokin dismissal was legitimate, they have probably 0.94

00:24:58.760 done that, but maybe they can. Somebody ought to ask, but, uh, even if that was legitimate,

00:25:04.440 the co-mingling of the money and the absence of, of, of Hunter Biden having anything to sell,

00:25:10.220 but influence should be enough, uh, in a court of law. And it should be enough if the Democrats had any

00:25:16.340 shame for them to abandon Joe Biden and just say, it's, it's just too much. And, and, and you need to

00:25:22.380 resign, but I think those days are over. I mean, there's no shame anymore. There is no, you can,

00:25:27.960 you, there's no shame. Absolutely. Absolutely. And let's, let's go to something that you said,

00:25:35.040 uh, talking about Obama, uh, and the meetings, uh, there, there would be evidence, uh, that could come

00:25:41.240 out of that. There is evidence, uh, and the evidence are three meetings, uh, in, uh, 2016, uh, with,

00:25:52.380 his top, uh, chiefs, uh, you know, whether it's Susan Rice, uh, the head of the CIA, the FBI,

00:26:01.560 the attorney general, the, the former vice president who is now president, they were

00:26:07.880 meeting over the Hillary Clinton plan to sabotage Donald Trump called Russian collusion at three

00:26:16.920 meetings on it. That is evidence in and of itself to bring Mr. Obama up short and, and upfront in this

00:26:24.880 discussion about the rancid corruption of this Democrat party, this Marxist dim party, or at the 0.52

00:26:33.060 very least, this Marxist dim led party is corrupt to the bone. And I don't hear a single Republican

00:26:40.300 talking about it because they lied, cheated and stole the 2020 election and to put him in the oval

00:26:48.240 office. And that is an act of sheer treason to have been a part of that because they knew what he

00:26:54.540 was. He was impaired, compromised, and a puppet for what appears to be a third term of the Obama

00:27:02.160 administration. Yep. Uh, it's, it's, uh, it's what, what happened is clear. And you would think 0.65

00:27:12.160 that at a minimum, they would shrink away into the shadows and back off, but they've doubled down.

00:27:19.780 That's what's troubling is they've been exposed or intentionally trying to frame a president of the

00:27:28.020 United States disrupting almost his entire, or if his entire term of office with false allegations,

00:27:34.720 they knew to be false weaponizing one of the most important agencies in our government, the department

00:27:39.560 of justice, and now exposed, there is no accountability whatsoever. And so they've, and now they've gotten

00:27:50.120 the department of justice back and they are indicting Donald Trump everywhere they can charge it, you

00:27:57.580 know, New York, I guess Atlanta soon, Florida, Jack Smith, and the charges are ludicrous. They're

00:28:05.680 just ludicrous. Does Donald, has Donald Trump said or done, done things before that are ill-advised

00:28:11.780 and ham-handed? You bet. Has he had opinions that maybe weren't supported by all the evidence?

00:28:17.400 Apparently so, but you know, they're, they're basically trying to indict him for creatively for crimes

00:28:25.420 that don't exist. And, and it's so obvious to any, any neutral party that it really, it's almost

00:28:31.560 insulting for us to have to sit and catalog and go through each, each indictment because it gives

00:28:38.780 credence to what they're doing. I mean, it's so obviously wrong that we really shouldn't have to do

00:28:43.520 that anymore. And the national media in all of this is, is covering nothing. They're shameless,

00:28:51.340 as you said, and there's a reason, and there's a reason that their coverup is so desperate on the

00:28:59.360 part of the Marxist Dems, the deep state. And that is because they're all in it together. This isn't an

00:29:06.660 accident that the corporate media isn't covering this, isn't jumping immediately to, to bring truth

00:29:15.860 to power. It's because they are instruments of power, rather than a free and fair press that we once

00:29:24.340 had in this country. It's been a long while now.

00:29:27.960 Well, Lou, Lou, can I turn the tables on you and interview you for a second? Because I'm curious. I'm not,

00:29:33.060 never worked in the media.

00:29:35.060 I'll let you do that.

00:29:36.080 You've got a career in the media. Isn't there a young, ambitious reporter at CBS,

00:29:41.980 works at 60 Minutes, a producer, somebody at the New York Times that can see this and say,

00:29:50.200 you know what? I want to, I want to do good work. And man, there's some, there's some real meat on

00:29:55.940 the table here. I'm going to dig into this. Why isn't there anybody out there in the corporate media

00:30:03.660 that wants to do this? Are they trying to do it and being shut down? What's going on there?

00:30:08.320 And is it, are they, do they have that much control?

00:30:12.820 You know what? I'm going to answer your questions right on the other side of this quick break.

00:30:16.640 We're talking with Bud Cummins. And then I'm going to throw a question back at you about the

00:30:21.900 legal profession. We might as well take down, take down the whole bunch at once, Bud. We're coming

00:30:27.860 right back. We're talking with attorney Bud Cummins, former federal prosecutor, great American.

00:30:32.280 Stay with us. We'll be right back.

00:30:38.320 We're back with Bud Cummins, who is not only a former federal prosecutor, a lobbyist, a great

00:30:45.460 American, but he's so good that he just turned the tables on me and asked me a question about why

00:30:50.940 there isn't someone, anyone within the national corporate media, a younger journalist, if we can

00:30:59.640 still use that word, who wants to make his or her bones by breaking a big story and doing what is in

00:31:06.520 the public interest, the national interest, and honor the public's right to know? The answer is,

00:31:12.360 I guess, Bud, the answer is what is before us, and that is no one has stepped up. The only one I know

00:31:20.320 in corporate media, and if I'm missing somebody, but Catherine Herridge at CBS News keeps doggedly 0.90

00:31:28.240 trying to break through. There are lots of podcasts. There are lots of folks in the alternate media in

00:31:36.240 this country doing terrific work, but are you kidding me? I mean, where is ABC, NBC, CBS, again, with the

00:31:48.300 exception of Catherine Herridge? Where is the New York Times and the Washington Post don't even have

00:31:56.020 the decency to give back the Pulitzers they won for covering President Trump's Russian collusion?

00:32:05.060 If there isn't enough integrity on the part of those publishers and owners, the Times and the Post,

00:32:13.540 you know that's how much influence they've got because these kids coming out of various schools,

00:32:21.180 Ivy League schools, journalism schools, they've all been indoctrinated. Most of them are left-wing

00:32:27.760 ideologues, and I have to tell you, it's a sorry state of affairs. It's the same thing that's happening in

00:32:33.800 your profession. You've got these projects in all the law schools. They're left-wing to the bone,

00:32:42.540 and they're producing left-wing, indoctrinated, and fellow travelers. And that, by the way, is the future

00:32:50.380 of the country, I think. Your thought, Bud? Well, I'm afraid you're right. I think, you know,

00:32:56.380 fellow travelers, useful idiots, whatever you want to call them, it seems like we're just 1.00

00:33:04.060 breeding and training whole generations of them. But you'd like to think that if they're intelligent 1.00

00:33:08.900 enough that eventually they'd see something that doesn't ring true to them and their integrity

00:33:16.820 would take over and they'd become inquisitive. But if that's happening, they're being sent home,

00:33:24.580 I guess. I imagine that's exactly right. But what has happened here is you can't even ask a question

00:33:31.760 now. I had somebody accuse me of being, I'm sorry, who, I don't know, it may have been off the record,

00:33:40.640 but a well-known author accused me of being a birther because he had read all the left-wing

00:33:48.780 stuff like Media Matters, et cetera, et cetera, calling me a birther. The fact is, I said that I

00:33:55.920 believe Barack Obama was born in America, but I wanted to know why he wouldn't just solve the

00:34:03.580 thing and produce a birth certificate. And that set the left off. And I mean, I was attacked.

00:34:09.700 I was attacked for covering illegal immigration because it was a ratings getter. That's the inverse.

00:34:17.000 It was not a ratings getter. And by the way, no one would touch the story about illegal immigration.

00:34:23.320 People attacked me for covering the outsourcing of American jobs. I was the only one talking about

00:34:31.180 it for crying out loud. But it works because the other people shy away. Oh, they're scared to death.

00:34:38.520 People on January 6th, I never saw evidence that told me that Joe Biden didn't win the election.

00:34:46.120 But I'll be danged if anybody's ever going to prove to me that he did, because I've been in this

00:34:51.460 business long enough to know that when you get that many ballots away from the polling places and

00:34:56.420 extend the voting periods as long as they did, that people take advantage of that. And 99% of the

00:35:02.860 time, in my experience, it's the Democrat Party that does it. And so I can guarantee you that fraud

00:35:08.520 occurred. Did it change the outcome of the election? Well, I don't know, because this process that they

00:35:13.320 set up was lacked so much, lacked accountability to the extent that it's impossible to know.

00:35:19.440 So was Trump right when he said he won and Biden lost? Probably not, because I don't think he

00:35:26.420 could prove that. Was he right when he said it was a flawed election? Absolutely. And anybody that's

00:35:35.000 afraid to say that doesn't understand how it works. Let's at least have accountability in the next

00:35:43.280 election. And let's not be afraid to stand up and say, hey, I don't blame the guy, because, you know,

00:35:49.540 all this crazy stuff that we let happen, mail-in ballots and people carrying boxes around, you can't

00:35:54.920 know who won an election when you're letting that happen. You just don't know.

00:35:59.260 I was a witness in a trial, a civil trial against Fox News. You may have heard of it.

00:36:05.840 Yeah. And the judge in the case, and I don't know much about law, but he made a decision

00:36:14.640 that the trial was, excuse me, the election, it feels like a trial, the election was in fact

00:36:23.240 not rigged. He decided that was the fact. And that was the basis upon which he proceeded.

00:36:30.160 He said that without apparently the knowledge that Bill Barr himself lied about his statements

00:36:37.640 in December 1st, I believe it was, that they had investigated the election and that it was

00:36:43.360 fair. And there was no fraud. He didn't have, he didn't.

00:36:49.820 You can say we didn't find it or you can say we didn't prove it, but you should never say it

00:36:54.280 didn't happen because I guarantee it happened. And it may, maybe it didn't happen on enough

00:36:59.340 of a scale to change the outcome of the election, but we shouldn't let it happen. We shouldn't have

00:37:04.860 to go there. No, we shouldn't. We set back as a country and let it happen. We set back as a

00:37:10.840 country and watch this police, these police officers in Minnesota go to long prison sentences

00:37:15.880 for apprehending a drug addict that died of an overdose. Yep. And we're just sitting back and

00:37:20.700 people, most people I know would be scared to even comment on that because they're afraid of

00:37:24.480 being attacked. It's a sad, you know, so their tactics work. If they accuse you of whatever for

00:37:32.680 reporting about the border or, you know, commenting on Obama's reluctance to disprove

00:37:38.560 his birth, then, you know, it works. It works. And I have to tell you, it scares the hell out of

00:37:46.080 people. And my wife and I both were young journalists. And the fact of the matter is we

00:37:53.040 got into it not because we wanted to get rich. We didn't want to even be television stars or

00:37:59.720 whatever you want to call it. We got it because we loved journalism. We loved the craft. And it was

00:38:08.680 all we live for. I mean, I got into more trouble with more bosses. I mean, I was blackballed by two

00:38:14.560 white houses, one Democrat, one Republican, George Bush and Barack Obama. You know, I have had

00:38:21.820 throughout my career these kind of controversies over what I want to report, which is simply and

00:38:28.460 directly the truth as I find it. And what we know for a fact is that Bill Barr was lying when he said

00:38:35.320 that because there is no report of any investigation. There is no possibility that that

00:38:40.840 investigation can be occurred. We know that the Homeland Security Department lied. Krebs, the head

00:38:48.180 of the Cyber and Infrastructure Security Agency, came out and said within a week, there was no

00:38:57.580 irregularity. We know there was every kind of irregularity. And we know that there was fraud

00:39:04.300 across the board in this country, in the battleground states in particular. And besides that, folks,

00:39:11.480 you have every right to question that election. 24,700 votes decided the 2020 election. And we have

00:39:22.100 courts and judges and newspapers and television networks saying, oh, no, you've got to be an election

00:39:30.000 denier to think there's a problem. This is madness in this country to just ask a question, which is, by the

00:39:36.400 way, a journalist's job is to answer them. And I've answered them as best as I know how. It was rigged. Bill

00:39:44.280 Barr has lied throughout the Republican Party. Much of it has been gutless in their inability to muster the

00:39:53.180 courage to say, we want to make sure this doesn't happen in 2024 and to surround, to surround Donald

00:40:01.460 Trump and rally around him against these evil doers who are the federal government and the Biden regime.

00:40:11.780 Your thoughts?

00:40:13.080 Yeah, well, everything you say is true. I think, you know, we're in this interesting situation where,

00:40:19.340 you know, some of your listeners are probably, you know, loyal Donald Trump supporters and can't

00:40:25.100 wait to vote for him again. You probably also have other other listeners who who tend to be

00:40:30.420 conservative, but for one reason or another, they're not wild about another go around with Donald Trump.

00:40:36.480 He can be a little exhausting and create problems for, you know, whatever unforced errors. But

00:40:42.460 if you look at what's going on, you have to support Donald Trump when they're indicting him in multiple

00:40:50.460 districts with made up charges, you have to step up and defend him on that. Doesn't mean you have to

00:40:55.320 vote for him, but you have to step up and resist this. And, and I think a lot of people are just kind

00:41:02.240 of sitting on their hands because they really don't know what to do. But, you know, if people don't

00:41:07.900 start taking a stand, you and I had this conversation last time I was on your show,

00:41:13.760 the real challenge here is we don't know what to do and we don't know when to do it.

00:41:18.760 We know we're in trouble, but at what point is enough enough? And then when I decide enough is

00:41:24.500 enough, what is, what can I do? And I, you know, I'm not sure I know the answer to that. And I don't

00:41:29.380 think most people in America do. Well, you're asking, I think, though, the pertinent question.

00:41:34.460 We know that our government of checks and balances, co-equal branches of government,

00:41:42.000 a nation of laws, a constitutional republic. We know right now it's not working because we have

00:41:48.760 a horrific, horrific moment in our history that none of us knows how to respond to without force.

00:41:56.700 The fellow in Michigan over the weekend talking about, he thinks that this, if the weaponized

00:42:03.360 government continues going after conservatives, that only one thing can result. And that is a

00:42:08.960 collision of force. I think we're some ways from that. But I do think that we have to come up with

00:42:16.840 an intelligent and effective way to communicate precisely how much, how much evil is at work in

00:42:26.280 this government, in this administration and the Marxist party. This is not just the loyal opposition

00:42:33.480 we're talking about here. This and a two-party system. This is a one-party system, a one-tier

00:42:40.640 justice system. There is no justice required whatsoever for the Marxist Dems and the Democrats

00:42:47.020 in the left in this country as they indoctrinate, savage our children, and import more deadly drugs.

00:42:57.180 And Joe Biden sends more hush money to Volodymyr Zelensky in Ukraine. It's wide open.

00:43:05.820 Yeah, it's a troubling time. It's a troubling time. And I don't think we're going to see Hunter Biden

00:43:15.060 held accountable. I don't think we're going to see Joe Biden held accountable. I think the next

00:43:20.580 opportunity for a turnaround is the 2024 election. And if a Republican president can be elected again,

00:43:32.220 I'm not sure with the demographics and the way they've, you know, with the illegal immigration

00:43:37.600 and the voting procedures being so tainted around the country. I don't know if we'll see another

00:43:49.120 Republican president, you know, anytime soon. But if we can elect a Republican and then not try to get

00:43:59.180 retaliation, but try to return these agencies into the, what they're supposed to be, you know,

00:44:06.140 particularly in the Department of Justice to go out neutrally and evaluate facts and follow the law

00:44:13.060 and not become a, you know, organ of one political party or the other, you know, that could turn us

00:44:20.820 around. But if it doesn't happen and, you know, they're marching Donald Trump off to prison over here

00:44:26.120 and somebody else off to prison over there and, and then, you know, obviously letting their own

00:44:31.780 commit treason and bribery without accountability, I, at some point, you know, I don't know that,

00:44:41.360 that it's unreasonable to think that, that we might see some really rough, rough times.

00:44:47.580 I don't think, I don't think the conservatives will lay down and just give it all,

00:44:51.820 give it all up without, without a fight, but I'm not sure when the fight starts.

00:44:57.040 Well, I'm not either. But I do know one thing. We're, we're in a battle for this country's future

00:45:03.560 for this Republic. And it's not, it's not looking good for us, but it also didn't look good for us

00:45:10.960 in the early days of World War II. We did respond. The problem is we don't have much time.

00:45:17.160 There was a lot of time, at least for this great country to respond back then. We have

00:45:24.300 almost zero opportunity here to get, to get motivated, directed, and get this thing turned

00:45:32.520 around as you put it. But we always give the last word to our guest, your concluding thoughts.

00:45:37.400 Well, I just appreciate the time. You know, I hate to be, I feel like I've been pessimistic and

00:45:44.240 maybe I am, but you know, I think there's still a lot of great people working at the FBI and DOJ.

00:45:50.580 I wish they'd speak up. I know there's a lot of great people out there in the country and I just

00:45:55.480 hope, you know, they have the courage to stand up and say what they think and, and, and, you know,

00:46:01.320 call these people out for, for what they're doing. And because that's the only way we avoid,

00:46:06.180 you know, violence in the future or some really horrible ending to this country is,

00:46:11.760 is people have to start standing up and, and ask it, you know, demanding the truth.

00:46:15.940 And I don't think that's happening right now.

00:46:18.620 No. And I, I don't either. And I'm sure most of the folks in this audience don't.

00:46:25.160 We really appreciate you being with us, bud. Thanks for coming back. And I hope you'll come back soon.

00:46:29.820 Bud Cummins, former federal prosecutor, lobbyist, great American. Thank you.

00:46:35.580 Thank you.

00:46:36.260 Thank you everybody for listening today. Tomorrow we'll be bringing you coverage

00:46:40.000 from Mike Lindell's election summit to be held in Springfield, Missouri.

00:46:44.400 We'll be joined by Mike Lindell, attorney Kurt Olson, Texas attorney general Ken Paxton,

00:46:50.300 and Emerald Robinson and Laura Loomer with us as well. Please join us for that tomorrow

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