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00:01:15.020 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs.

00:01:24.400 Welcome to The Great America Show.

00:01:25.960 Great to have you with us today.

00:01:27.600 Thanks for joining us on this historic day.

00:01:30.400 The office of the Speaker of the House is officially vacant,

00:01:34.500 with the Brave 21 down to a reformed Brave 8.

00:01:37.900 Congressman Andy Biggs, Tim Burchett, Ken Buck, Eli Crane, Bob Good, Nancy Mace, Matt Rosendale and Matt Gaetz,

00:01:46.520 who led the way to the removal of Kevin McCarthy.

00:01:50.180 McCarthy is the first Speaker of the House in history to be voted out of the Speakership.

00:01:55.620 On this vote, the yeas are 216, the nays are 210. 0.97

00:02:03.880 The resolution is adopted.

00:02:06.220 Without objection, the motion to reconsider is laid on the table.

00:02:10.240 The office of Speaker of the House of the United States House of Representatives is hereby declared vacant.

00:02:17.860 Congressman Matt Gaetz warned McCarthy over the past few weeks that he would bring the motion to vacate

00:02:25.020 if he worked with the Dems on a continuing resolution

00:02:28.460 and broke his promises he made to the Republican conference back in January.

00:02:34.860 Gaetz spent roughly a half hour on the floor yesterday

00:02:38.540 rebutting the RINOs who took the podium in the House in support of McCarthy.

00:02:43.280 And at one particular moment, Gaetz struck a nerve through most of the conference

00:02:48.800 when he called out all the members who were owned and controlled by lobbyists.

00:02:54.480 When it comes to how those raised money, I take no lecture on asking patriotic Americans

00:03:01.380 to weigh in and contribute to this fight from those who would grovel and bend knee

00:03:06.040 for the lobbyists and special interests who own our leadership, who have, oh, boo all you want,

00:03:12.200 who have hollowed out this town and have borrowed against the future of our future generations.

00:03:17.480 I'll be happy to fund my political operation through the work of hardworking Americans,

00:03:22.640 $10 and $20 and $30 at a time, and you all keep showing up at the lobbyists' fundraisers

00:03:27.600 and see how that goes for you. I reserve.

00:03:31.160 God bless Matt Gaetz.

00:03:33.640 And history made his well in a Manhattan courtroom where President Trump, for a second straight day,

00:03:38.880 defended himself from the Marxist Dems' political persecution,

00:03:43.440 fighting a Marxist Dem prosecutor and a Marxist Dem judge in a fraud case against the Trump

00:03:49.360 organization. Earlier in the morning, President Trump posted a picture of Senator Chuck Schumer

00:03:54.960 and the judge in the case's law clerk, a woman by the name of Allison Greenfield. 0.88

00:04:01.040 The caption on the photo of the two said, quote,

00:04:04.780 Why is Judge Engron's principal law clerk palling around with Chuck Schumer?

00:04:10.840 Trump reposted that with his own thoughts, saying,

00:04:13.720 Schumer's girlfriend, Allison Greenfield, is running this case against me. 0.98

00:04:18.560 How disgraceful. This case should be dismissed immediately.

00:04:22.580 Before heading off on a lunch recess, President Trump addressed the media outside

00:04:26.800 and said, this is a rigged trial brought by a fraudulent attorney general.

00:04:32.260 Why did you decide to come? You didn't have to.

00:04:35.060 I don't have to. This trial is a rigged trial. It's a fraudulent trial.

00:04:40.980 The attorney general was a fraud. And we have to expose her as that.

00:04:46.580 You see what's going on. It's a rigged deal.

00:04:49.480 What's the frankly? And frankly, you saw what was just put out about Schumer and the principal clerk.

00:04:57.940 That is the script.

00:04:59.240 Speaker of the Army, should he stay?

00:05:02.360 We will be able to vacate him this afternoon, sir.

00:05:05.940 While the court was on lunch recess, the judge caught wind of the photo that Trump posted earlier that morning.

00:05:12.220 And when the judge returned to the chambers, he issued a gag order against President Trump

00:05:17.740 to not speak about the judge or the clerk ever again, or else.

00:05:23.540 This judge is another Marxist-Dem authoritarian judge who thinks he's all that.

00:05:29.140 But he's not even a little bit of that.

00:05:31.600 Take a listen to his past comments,

00:05:34.680 comments that the judge has made about overturning the opinion of a jury.

00:05:39.620 Now, I'm going to say something controversial.

00:05:42.640 Even though I'm being taped,

00:05:45.020 juries get it wrong a lot.

00:05:46.980 That's my own opinion.

00:05:48.460 I do only civil trials,

00:05:51.220 personal injury cases, contract disputes.

00:05:54.720 But I've had situations where like,

00:05:56.900 oh my, my heaven's sake.

00:06:00.720 How could they have thought that?

00:06:03.340 Well, I have a,

00:06:04.840 I have a tool that I can deal with that.

00:06:08.180 It's called jury notwithstanding the verdict,

00:06:11.460 judgment notwithstanding the verdict.

00:06:13.200 I can say there is no possible way that a reasonable jury would have reached that conclusion.

00:06:20.300 And, all right, am I following the law or am I making law?

00:06:25.020 Okay, I'm following law.

00:06:27.820 I'm an impartial referee.

00:06:30.360 But, it's hard to factor out my own emotions.

00:06:35.880 And I have tools.

00:06:38.400 Somebody can say,

00:06:39.340 well, Your Honor, you have to throw out this case because it's just like another case.

00:06:43.860 Well, is it just like another case?

00:06:46.520 What if the defendant was wearing a red sweater instead of a blue sweater?

00:06:50.060 Oh, and by the way,

00:06:51.500 I worked for the Columbia Daily Spectator for a couple of weeks.

00:06:55.000 What happened was I went there every day and I wrote a few stories.

00:07:00.980 One I got criticized on because I wrote that some Ku Klux Klaners had murdered some people.

00:07:08.380 And I was told,

00:07:10.000 you can't say that.

00:07:10.820 How do we know?

00:07:11.480 You weren't there.

00:07:12.960 Well, that was what everybody thought.

00:07:15.060 Anyway, yeah, we should have absolute immunity.

00:07:17.060 What if we defame somebody?

00:07:20.280 That's how it usually comes up.

00:07:21.980 You know, you call somebody a murderer or a heroin addict, that sort of thing, a pedophile.

00:07:27.640 And if it's done in court, yeah, I think we should have absolute immunity. 0.86

00:07:31.960 Just listen to the arrogance and the pomposity of this Marxist judge.

00:07:36.380 He should be removed, in my opinion, from the case immediately.

00:07:39.680 Joining us now is best-selling author, brilliant political strategist, Roger Stone.

00:07:44.640 Roger, always great to have you with us.

00:07:46.420 I'm delighted that you would take time to join us here on The Great America Show.

00:07:50.780 I'd like to get your reaction first to the president, who will not do debates,

00:07:55.220 but for whom debates seem to do a great deal.

00:07:58.940 The latest poll credits President Trump with gaining five points on the field

00:08:03.420 by not joining in those debates.

00:08:06.320 Your reaction?

00:08:07.460 Yeah, he is the first candidate for president in the history of the United States

00:08:11.220 who has actually won the debate by not showing up.

00:08:15.080 I mean, look, the shadow he casts on this party is so great.

00:08:21.280 He has so completely remade the modern-day Republican Party into the party of the middle class,

00:08:28.440 into the party of working people, indeed, into the party of America first,

00:08:34.440 that it is, at the grassroots, his party.

00:08:38.220 And there's nobody who can come close to him because Mike Pence took himself out of the natural line of secession,

00:08:48.580 which, by the way, in the Republican Party traditionally means a very great deal.

00:08:52.360 We nominate Bush after Reagan.

00:08:54.800 We nominate Nixon after Eisenhower.

00:08:57.300 Republicans believe in the natural order of things, the hegemony, if you will.

00:09:01.960 There is no one who is a dominant figure in this party like Donald Trump.

00:09:09.600 And just from a strictly political manager's point of view,

00:09:14.480 going to the debates would mean that he has a lot to lose and nothing whatsoever to gain.

00:09:19.540 Why open yourself up to pot shots from, you know, single-digit candidates like Chris Christie, for example,

00:09:28.160 or these other wannabes, when you're not just in a leading position, you're in a commanding position.

00:09:35.560 I think the president has made two good decisions.

00:09:38.360 And in the case of the most recent Fox debate,

00:09:41.060 going to Michigan, addressing the members of the United Auto Workers, but doing so with substance,

00:09:50.620 to me, that's the opening gun of the general election campaign.

00:09:55.380 And I think a very effective way to reach crossover Democrats and independents

00:10:01.600 who realize that Joe Biden's future economy just does not include them.

00:10:06.340 And you're talking about in Michigan with the UAW in the audience.

00:10:15.020 An important symbol, I think, because it does.

00:10:18.140 It takes us all back to 2015 and 2016 when he set the standard.

00:10:25.540 And he's put his lance in the ground.

00:10:28.380 He would fly the standard of labor, working men and women, the middle class, as you mentioned.

00:10:33.640 And it worked as a campaign strategy beautifully, brilliantly even.

00:10:40.780 But as an honest expression of where he lives and his values,

00:10:45.800 it was even better, all the better, for being authentic, don't you think?

00:10:51.140 I totally agree.

00:10:52.260 I mean, there's a reason why Donald Trump carries Michigan and Wisconsin

00:10:58.000 and Georgia and other states where Mitt Romney falls short.

00:11:04.960 And that reason can be found in the suburbs.

00:11:07.920 There's a subset of voters who are not Republicans,

00:11:11.900 many of whom who either are nominally still Democrats or they used to think of themselves as Democrats,

00:11:17.700 who really aren't comfortable with most Republicans.

00:11:21.180 But then Donald Trump is not most Republicans.

00:11:24.680 And his appeal has always been much broader than the Republican Party.

00:11:30.960 It really harkens back to the old, originally Nixon and then Reagan coalition of traditional Republicans

00:11:39.020 and working class blue collar voters, mostly but not all Catholics in the in the Northeast and the Midwest,

00:11:48.380 that the Republicans were never really able to reassemble when they had elitist candidates like Mitt Romney,

00:11:54.620 or, in fact, John McCain, who I think started out to be a pretty good guy,

00:11:59.400 but then fell into a serious case of Potomac fever, which made him a Washington creature.

00:12:05.860 Trump, who will never be a politician, but who is without any question the head of a political movement,

00:12:13.240 really embodies middle class values.

00:12:17.600 He's about jobs.

00:12:19.160 He's about opportunity.

00:12:20.800 He's about fairness.

00:12:22.520 He's certainly about law and order and the safety and security of our neighborhoods.

00:12:28.040 He has certainly, I think, surrounded the issue of energy independence.

00:12:33.720 As you know, Lou, every president, Republican and Democrat in our lifetimes promised us this and they never delivered it.

00:12:42.900 We were still going hat in hand to Saudi Arabia or to Russia or to Venezuela to try to get oil.

00:12:50.400 Those days ended with Donald Trump and they rebegan with Joe Biden.

00:12:55.380 You don't have to be a genius to know that when you turn off the oil pipelines and you deny all permits going forward for the drilling of natural oil and gas,

00:13:06.560 and you close down those areas in the Antarctic, which are energy rich,

00:13:12.140 that you're going to drive gas prices beyond the cost or I should say the reach of the average driver,

00:13:19.360 whether it's commercial or personal in this country.

00:13:22.520 So Trump embodies those things.

00:13:25.120 That's why he's the strongest general election candidate.

00:13:27.880 When people say to me, well, he's the one Republican that can't win.

00:13:31.780 No, on the contrary, I think he's actually the only Republican who can win.

00:13:36.560 I agree with you 100 percent.

00:13:38.920 And just to sort of explore that a bit, Governor DeSantis decides to go after Donald Trump at the end of September.

00:13:48.180 Imagine that this late, he decides he's going to be a big boy and go after the man, Donald Trump,

00:13:56.500 saying he's using Joe Biden's basement strategy, saying that he is absent on the debate stage, absent from his duties.

00:14:06.080 He doesn't have any sense of self, no self-awareness because he's the governor who's AWOL in Florida.

00:14:14.120 He is also the guy whose numbers are sinking while the guy who he's accosting, at least verbally, is ascending.

00:14:24.520 And by the way, to heights that I think are unreachable for any other candidate.

00:14:28.400 I agree with you 100 percent on that.

00:14:29.900 But Biden right now is looking at Donald Trump, a man who's trying to put in prison for 700 years, has the biggest lead yet.

00:14:39.820 Fifty one points over DeSantis in the latest morning consult poll.

00:14:43.960 What's your reaction to those numbers?

00:14:46.960 Well, first of all, I mean, Ron DeSantis is a perfect example of a candidate who is flailing.

00:14:52.500 He's now on his ninth difference strategy and his third reboot.

00:14:57.000 It is not going to work.

00:14:59.780 It also ignores history.

00:15:01.160 I mean, Ron DeSantis would be managing a McDonald's someplace right now if it weren't for Donald Trump.

00:15:07.040 He was an undistinguished member of Congress.

00:15:09.600 He was a long shot, to say the least, for governor.

00:15:13.140 The Republican establishment in Florida had decided on another candidate who had a 35 plus lead.

00:15:21.080 It is only through the good graces of Donald Trump and a tweeted endorsement and then dogged campaigning in the closing weeks of that general election in 2018 that Ron DeSantis rose to national national prominence.

00:15:35.640 So this act of attacking Trump now smacks to me of treachery, of disloyalty.

00:15:43.680 There was a time when I thought voters, even though I cared about it and I certainly knew Trump cared about it, I didn't think voters cared about it.

00:15:51.640 I turned out to be wrong about that, certainly here in the state of Florida.

00:15:57.320 The other thing I guess I would say is that I've now begun to see this trend of Joe Biden using soundbites of Ron DeSantis in his TV commercials to attack Donald Trump.

00:16:10.440 So to me, that demonstrates that this contest, which really should be called, is actually going to begin to hurt the party.

00:16:20.540 I'm not sure it will hurt Trump, but it will certainly hurt the party overall.

00:16:24.720 And that debate the other night, I mean, look, like you, Lou, I'm a junkie.

00:16:30.500 I love politics.

00:16:31.820 I normally would stay tuned in for every minute and then handicap it and so on.

00:16:36.700 I had to turn it off after a while.

00:16:38.940 It was like a junior high school shouting match.

00:16:42.220 Candidates shouting over each other, leveling personal insults.

00:16:46.500 I mean, I actually saw Senator Tim Scott, who I kind of like, attacking former governor, former UN ambassador Nikki Haley, who I did not like, over the curtains at the UN mission of the United States in New York.

00:17:02.300 Talk about mundane when when there are three hundred and seventy thousand homeless veterans in the country, when the average person cannot afford groceries, when there are at this point, two hundred and thirty five thousand, I think, illegals pouring into the country unchecked.

00:17:20.720 You guys are arguing about the curtains at the UN, please.

00:17:24.560 It was beneath dignity.

00:17:26.720 Yeah. And and beneath this president, President Trump, who did is again, I'm in absolute concurrence.

00:17:34.980 And I'm so glad we agree on this, made the decision not to participate, a great decision and a great leader showing, again, why he is 51 points ahead.

00:17:46.780 We're going to talk about each one of these candidates, if we may, Roger, when we come back.

00:17:51.100 I'd like to get your judgment on each of the magnificent seven or whatever you might want to call them.

00:17:58.120 I will be hyperbolic in my praise of them until we hear your critique and I will adjust accordingly.

00:18:04.000 We'll be right back with a great Roger Stone.

00:18:07.140 Stay with us.

00:18:13.360 We're back with the irrepressible Roger Stone and political maven, brilliant author.

00:18:22.380 And I would just like to turn now to the what I broached before we went to the quick pause.

00:18:29.180 Who would be amongst these?

00:18:33.100 You're well, I'll just ask it this way.

00:18:35.500 Well, how would you rank each one of these candidates seeking the same job that President Trump seems to have wrapped up?

00:18:44.820 There's no standout candidate here.

00:18:46.700 There is no there is no star.

00:18:48.840 I mean, I've always thought, certainly back to the days of Reagan, that likability was an extraordinarily important quality in a candidate regardless of their issue positions.

00:19:02.380 I think likability was one of the great strengths of Reagan.

00:19:05.280 I think it is one of the great strengths of Trump.

00:19:07.440 And I think the greatest single problem that Governor DeSantis, who I think most people would say to the extent that there is anyone in second place in this race, although even that varies from state to state.

00:19:20.340 And he's had huge slippage.

00:19:22.020 Remember, this is a man who was once at 42 percent in New Hampshire.

00:19:25.500 He's now at 10 percent and vying for fourth place with three other candidates.

00:19:31.700 But the governor lacks any relatability, any warmth, any humor.

00:19:37.860 He seems wound too tight.

00:19:40.700 His his responses all seem to me to be canned, rehearsed, practiced in front of a mirror.

00:19:47.340 There's nothing genuine or most importantly, nothing entertaining about him.

00:19:52.980 I'm reminded I think I've told you the story about the guy who owned the dog food business and ultimately his dog food business went broke because he couldn't sell any dog food as hard as he tried.

00:20:04.900 And when he was asked why his dog food company went out of business, he said, well, there was one problem.

00:20:10.040 The dogs didn't like the stuff.

00:20:12.160 I think that is fundamentally the problem here.

00:20:15.760 Beyond that, Nikki Haley.

00:20:18.620 I mean, first of all, she's way too shrill and way too hot for television. 1.00

00:20:22.420 But secondarily, she seems to want to shoot first and ask questions later.

00:20:28.620 She's George W. Bush in heels. 0.99

00:20:32.940 I don't think the American people want endless foreign war.

00:20:36.600 I think the American people are already beginning to become disillusioned with shipping billions more to Ukraine.

00:20:43.480 All these candidates give lip service to sealing our border.

00:20:46.700 But they seem to be intent on spending more money to protect the Ukrainian borders than they are prepared to spend on protecting our borders.

00:20:56.000 She is as a Republican.

00:20:58.080 I could never vote for her.

00:20:59.760 And that's tough for me.

00:21:00.740 I'm a former young Republican national chairman.

00:21:03.080 I spent my life in the party of Lincoln, the party of Eisenhower, the party of Goldwater, the party of Reagan, obviously the party of Trump.

00:21:10.780 But to me, her foreign policy is indistinguishable from that of Anthony Blinken and the Biden administration.

00:21:20.700 Endless foreign war, weakness abroad.

00:21:24.200 It is really sobering to see what she's selling.

00:21:28.580 I don't think anyone is buying.

00:21:32.200 And to look at Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:21:35.500 He is a person I think many people want to like.

00:21:39.440 And they want to, in some ways, hear more from him.

00:21:43.360 But I thought that Nikki Haley did an amazing job of taking him down a peg, if you will, when she said, basically, and I thought this was great. 0.52

00:21:53.980 There was great irony in this as well, because she said she felt dumber the more she listened to him.

00:21:59.580 I wondered if that's because that was the only person she was listening to.

00:22:04.420 Your thought about him, your critique.

00:22:07.380 You know, I must tell you, Lou, I think that his 15 minutes have come and gone.

00:22:11.380 I think he was an interesting kind of novelty early in the race.

00:22:16.160 He's clearly modeled his campaign based on a serious study of polling, which indicates that both Donald Trump and Donald Trump's issue positions are extraordinarily popular in the party.

00:22:30.160 So he has gone out of his way to identify himself with Trump as opposed to positioning himself as a critic of Trump, unlike all the other candidates at this point.

00:22:40.360 Very notable that on the morning, Trump was arraigned in Miami in the so-called documents case.

00:22:47.520 Vivek showed up outside the courthouse in support of the president.

00:22:51.220 I think that was fairly shrewd.

00:22:53.660 The problem now, I think, are a couple fold.

00:22:56.340 He expresses skepticism about the war in Ukraine.

00:22:59.560 I agree with him, but he does not take the time to explain his position historically in a way that, say, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. does, who I think explains his hesitation about the war in Ukraine with a great, great historical perspective.

00:23:15.640 Because, as you know, we signed an agreement with the Soviets, with the Russians, I should say, when East and West Germany were unified, in which we agreed not to push Ukraine further into NATO.

00:23:29.740 To use former Secretary of State Jim Baker's exact words, not an inch further into NATO.

00:23:35.680 We are in violation of that.

00:23:37.420 The reason that it matters is it's not about membership in some club.

00:23:41.840 It's about the mounting of offensive Western missiles pointed at Russia mounted in Ukraine, a total violation of an agreement that we reached.

00:23:52.840 Vivek doesn't take the time to explain that.

00:23:55.340 He should.

00:23:55.880 And now, when you add to that the fact that he has, and I saw this video last night, he has been busted really lifting a lot of rhetoric directly from Barack Obama, reminiscent of when Joe Biden lifted rhetoric from Neil Kinnick, the famous British political leader, which caused his campaign to collapse.

00:24:18.740 Now, you add, on top of it, Vivek's connections to the World Economic Forum, to George Soros, which he tries to kind of glibly explain away, but I think raise a lot of questions in people's minds.

00:24:34.420 He's an interesting fellow.

00:24:35.780 He's clearly a very talented man.

00:24:38.120 He's very glib.

00:24:39.680 He's very articulate.

00:24:41.100 But I really think his act is starting to wear a bit thin.

00:24:43.920 Waring thin, but also I have to credit him with being a little more inventive than Joe Biden and his plagiarism.

00:24:52.480 I love the fact that he decided to plagiarize Donald Trump by saying, America first really belongs to no one man, when clearly it does.

00:25:03.540 That was clearly Donald Trump's motto and value, writ large across his campaign and ultimately his administration.

00:25:14.660 But Vivek had the audacity and the inventiveness to say, no, that doesn't belong to anyone man.

00:25:21.100 I'm actually a better merchant for that particular product.

00:25:23.940 It was outrageous.

00:25:25.580 It was audacious.

00:25:26.680 And it was plagiarism nonetheless.

00:25:30.280 Well, again, I'm not really sure what Vivek's ultimate goal is here.

00:25:35.140 He's not going to be nominated for president.

00:25:37.040 He's not a logical candidate for vice president.

00:25:40.440 Could he down the road prove himself as secretary of commerce, perhaps, or some other important position in a Trump administration?

00:25:48.280 The answer is yes.

00:25:49.720 And then these questions about his past would disappear, assuming that he performed consistent with his current issue positions.

00:25:57.740 Well, people are allowed to change their mind over time based on new information and also by just based on, you know, the wiseness that comes with age.

00:26:08.060 I certainly have.

00:26:09.440 Won't be it to them who doesn't change when they get new information or better information.

00:26:15.040 But I really think that he had a slight run after the first debate.

00:26:21.780 It was kind of a novelty act.

00:26:24.000 Everybody ganged up on him in this most recent debate, largely because he had very effectively taken the point against all of them, career politicians, in the first debate.

00:26:35.240 But this devolved into a mutter.

00:26:37.940 I mean, this devolved into a shouting match, which I think no one distinguished themselves.

00:26:42.000 And Chris Christie, very hard to understand what this guy thinks he's doing other than the revenge tour.

00:26:50.160 I mean, we understand he's angry at Donald Trump because he never got a cabinet job.

00:26:53.980 But there's zero chance that he can be nominated.

00:26:57.800 His allies in New Jersey recently tried to pull a fast one under which they would have canceled the New Jersey Republican presidential primary and allowed the delegates to be selected in a smoke filled back room in Atlantic City, New Jersey.

00:27:13.780 And the party chieftains decided that they couldn't sell that.

00:27:18.400 So New Jersey will have its primary.

00:27:20.840 And when they have his primary, I would predict to you that Donald Trump will soundly thrash one of the least popular political figures in the state of New Jersey.

00:27:31.140 Yeah, it's it's pretty easy to see his motivation.

00:27:34.680 It's hard to understand how he has an appeal, even amongst the the gambling moguls of of the country.

00:27:43.120 We're talking with Roger Stone.

00:27:45.440 We're coming right back.

00:27:46.860 Stay with us.

00:27:47.680 We're going to take up what Roger thinks of the shutdown, the budget and how the Republicans are doing as they try to reconcile an impeachment with giving a an impaired and compromised president.

00:28:02.920 Everything he wants in a budget.

00:28:04.940 It's an odd conflict.

00:28:06.320 We'll take it up with him.

00:28:07.240 See what he thinks.

00:28:07.960 We'll be right back.

00:28:14.420 We're back with Roger Stone.

00:28:16.060 Roger, again, it's great to be talking with you.

00:28:19.220 I'd like to ask you, first of all, what do you make of a Republican Congress that at once is trying to impeach Joe Biden,

00:28:29.440 but at the same time, trying to give him every dime he asked for in a seven plus trillion dollar budget?

00:28:38.720 Well, let's take the first part of it first.

00:28:40.960 First, I'm not sure that they're seeking to impeach Joe Biden.

00:28:44.780 They're making a lot of noise about it.

00:28:46.500 But if you look at the subpoenas from the House Democrats surrounding January 6th,

00:28:52.220 if you look at the subpoenas from House Democrats and the House Intelligence Committee when they were in control of the Congress surrounding the Russian collusion hoax,

00:29:01.180 why has no member of the Biden family yet been subpoenaed to testify?

00:29:06.080 There's plenty to ask them about when congressmen like Jerry Nadler, AOC, say there's a Dane Goldman, say there's no evidence.

00:29:14.880 No, on the contrary, there's a mountain of evidence and more growing every single day.

00:29:20.300 So how serious they really are about impeaching him remains to be seen.

00:29:25.640 Now, I think most of your listeners know that an impeachment is just an indictment.

00:29:31.680 It's just a charge. That's not the same as a conviction.

00:29:35.720 Simple impeachment by the House does not remove you from office.

00:29:39.100 Only a conviction after a trial in the U.S. Senate does that.

00:29:43.620 The Democrats knew when they moved to impeach Donald Trump, not once but twice,

00:29:48.520 that they did not have the two thirds necessary in the Senate.

00:29:52.120 But their goal was to do as much political damage to Donald Trump as they possibly could.

00:29:58.720 And they certainly did some.

00:30:00.800 Now, to move to the second part of the question, my head is still spinning because it all seemed to happen so quickly.

00:30:09.760 But you have to conclude that we have a uniparty in which everybody's kind of on board the same agenda.

00:30:18.060 And that, therefore, the current Republican leadership was never serious about spending constraint,

00:30:24.860 never serious about single issue spending bills, never serious about term limits,

00:30:29.880 never serious about releasing all of the January 6th camera footage.

00:30:35.140 I mean, Kevin McCarthy has broken faith with Republicans in both his conference and in the country on every major concession he made in order to become speaker.

00:30:45.960 And he seems to prefer to negotiate privately and secretly with the Democrats to fund Joe Biden's entire agenda going forward.

00:30:56.860 Particularly shocking, before this even went down, was an announcement by the Pentagon that regardless of what the Congress did,

00:31:05.620 the rate of spending and the money we were shipping to Ukraine would not be impaired in any way.

00:31:11.420 So does it really matter at the end of the day?

00:31:14.700 It looks to me in a weird way that it does not.

00:31:17.700 Either the Republicans stand for something or they stand for nothing.

00:31:22.960 And the last election was for naught.

00:31:26.600 It is.

00:31:27.840 I think you've cast it perfectly.

00:31:29.900 And that is, we have right now what appears to be a pretend republic, just as we have a pretend president,

00:31:36.760 a pretend government that is under the absolute control of the deep state of the Marxist Dems.

00:31:43.980 There's no part of government department or agency that isn't controlled by the deep state and the Marxist Dems.

00:31:51.780 It is also, you are also, I understand it, involved in Hunter Biden's latest gambits in a lawsuit,

00:32:02.360 which I find amazing, a lawsuit to sue those who've infringed upon his both property and privacy

00:32:08.960 by exhibiting the laptop that he says wasn't his, at least initially.

00:32:17.180 And tell us about it.

00:32:19.520 Yeah, the whole thing is Kafkaesque.

00:32:22.040 I mean, I have covered the issue of Hunter Biden's laptop on my daily show at StoneZone.Live

00:32:30.180 at 5 o'clock Eastern time.

00:32:33.000 And I've covered it also on my WABC radio show on Sundays, which is from 3 to 5 at WABCRadio.com.

00:32:40.880 Lou, we were honored to have you as a guest very recently.

00:32:43.600 It was a great show.

00:32:44.600 And I've covered the laptop based on public sources.

00:32:47.940 Everything I know about the laptop, I either learned at the New York Post or at Breitbart News or at Marco Polo USA dot org,

00:32:56.880 which is the nonprofit organization that has produced a faithful copy of the laptop material.

00:33:04.680 Matt Gase placed all this material in the congressional record.

00:33:08.340 It is now a matter of public record.

00:33:10.020 This idea that I somehow had custody of this information, received it from someone, passed it on to someone on its way to Rudy Giuliani and publication is a fever dream, is a crazy left-wing conspiracy theorist theory.

00:33:28.880 I've been subpoenaed now, not that I'm being sued directly, but Rudy Giuliani is being sued directly.

00:33:36.840 The accusation is that he hacked and tampered with the material.

00:33:40.960 I don't think that's correct based on what I've read.

00:33:43.720 Garrett Ziegler at the Marco Polo Foundation is being sued along similar lines.

00:33:49.020 I think that's a frivolous lawsuit as well.

00:33:52.460 And I have nothing to provide these people.

00:33:55.680 Everything I know is from a public source.

00:33:59.300 So I think the design here is just to muddy the waters and also in my case and the case of others to try to discourage you from talking about this in your public broadcasts.

00:34:10.080 Notice, Lou, that Hunter Biden's lawyers have not sued Fox, have not sued the New York Post.

00:34:17.080 That's because, particularly the New York Post, they have deep pockets and they would fight because their stories have all been authenticated by their publishers and their editors.

00:34:26.480 So I think it's just general harassment.

00:34:29.880 Way back in March, I got a letter from Hunter Biden's lawyer, Abby Lowell, who told me that if I did not apologize for my public comments regarding the laptop by last March 31st, that he would file suit against me.

00:34:44.620 I declined to apologize for speaking the truth and stating my opinion.

00:34:49.800 As of yet, I have not been sued.

00:34:51.940 If I am sued, I will fight.

00:34:53.700 I'll have to go out and raise the money to do it.

00:34:56.500 But there's an important principle here.

00:34:58.660 I know nothing about how this material became public.

00:35:01.460 But based on everything I do know, I believe it was through a legal process.

00:35:05.620 And I have merely reported and commented on what is indeed news.

00:35:10.820 But you have been subpoenaed.

00:35:12.720 Yes, indeed.

00:35:14.140 And what are you to produce under the terms of that subpoena?

00:35:17.500 They would like all of my communications regarding the laptop with a long list of people.

00:35:22.980 It includes Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani and many, many people I've never heard of.

00:35:27.020 Now, there is no correspondence, but that's not the point.

00:35:31.720 The point here is it's a fishing expedition.

00:35:35.260 This is a matter brought in Delaware state court, which means Mrs. Stone and I have to go out and retain a Delaware state attorney, probably to move to quash this.

00:35:45.780 There is no basis for it.

00:35:47.420 I actually don't have any information that it would be responsive to their request.

00:35:51.900 Any discussion of the laptop would be after the fact and based on published reports.

00:35:58.020 Did I have John Paul McIsaac on my show?

00:36:01.620 Yes, I did.

00:36:02.960 So what?

00:36:04.500 Exactly.

00:36:05.620 And we had him on this show and more than once.

00:36:09.020 And so what?

00:36:10.540 The reality is that you said it, I believe, again, absolutely correctly.

00:36:15.520 It's a way in which to chill important voices and to keep them from speaking the truth as they see it, give their opinions based on their knowledge of the circumstances and facts.

00:36:29.460 And that is what all of this is about.

00:36:31.920 And lawfare, certainly, as they try to bankrupt every single person on the right who has the courage, as you do, to speak up and tell the truth.

00:36:43.180 Roger Stone, we thank you so much for being with us.

00:36:46.620 It's always wonderful to talk with you.

00:36:48.780 And as always on this podcast, we give our guests the last word.

00:36:53.800 Your concluding thoughts, if you would.

00:36:55.540 Lou, these are obviously very dispiriting days for anyone who looks at the news.

00:37:00.760 But I refuse to give up.

00:37:02.560 I think most of the people listening do as well.

00:37:05.160 Donald Trump is unique, kind of like there's only two other people, I think, in history where the entire future of the country hinged on one man.

00:37:13.900 The first one was George Washington.

00:37:15.900 The second one was Abraham Lincoln.

00:37:18.040 The third one is, yes, indeed, Donald Trump.

00:37:21.580 And these attacks on him are just making him stronger.

00:37:25.560 How exactly this plays out, only the Lord himself knows.

00:37:30.260 But I intend to keep the faith.

00:37:33.000 I intend to keep praying for my country, praying particularly for Donald Trump's safety and content in the belief that good will prevail in the end.

00:37:44.460 Amen.

00:37:44.920 I couldn't agree more, as usual.

00:37:47.920 Roger Stone, terrific to have you with us.

00:37:50.700 Thanks.

00:37:51.040 And God bless you.

00:37:52.300 Lou, many, many thanks.

00:37:53.420 Thanks, everybody, for being here today.

00:37:56.020 Tomorrow, we're joined by one of the brave eight who stood up for integrity in the House of Representatives and for the American people, conservative Congressman Matt Rosendale.

00:38:05.460 Please join us for Congressman Rosendale and much more tomorrow.

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00:38:21.320 Thanks, everybody.

00:38:22.020 God bless you and may God bless and save America.

The Great America Show - October 04, 2023

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